WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.320 --> 00:00:07.639 It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBS Boston News Radio. Nicole, 2 00:00:07.719 --> 00:00:10.480 you are the best at segues. You're hit a home run. 3 00:00:10.560 --> 00:00:13.839 I love that those people who listened to the Red 4 00:00:13.839 --> 00:00:16.039 Sox last night didn't see much action. They got a 5 00:00:16.199 --> 00:00:18.280 one hitter. They were one hit by a pitcher who 6 00:00:18.480 --> 00:00:20.559 the Red Sox gave up part a year or so ago. 7 00:00:21.039 --> 00:00:24.559 And Patriot fans ugly ugly in New York last night. 8 00:00:24.600 --> 00:00:26.399 But it won't be ugly here on Nightside. You know 9 00:00:26.440 --> 00:00:28.760 that we're always gonna have fun. Yeah, we're gonna have 10 00:00:28.760 --> 00:00:32.000 some disagreements, but we're gonna remain friends. It's a simple 11 00:00:32.000 --> 00:00:34.119 as sad. My name is Dan Ray. I am the 12 00:00:34.159 --> 00:00:36.159 host of Nightside and Nicole. And if you're still in 13 00:00:36.159 --> 00:00:38.880 the studio but have a great weekend, oh yes, you 14 00:00:38.920 --> 00:00:41.359 too deserve it, that is for sure. You are the 15 00:00:41.359 --> 00:00:42.759 best person. 16 00:00:43.880 --> 00:00:44.079 You know. 17 00:00:44.159 --> 00:00:45.840 You give me a lot of time to practice, which 18 00:00:45.880 --> 00:00:47.399 I appreciate. It's just like, you know what, I have 19 00:00:47.439 --> 00:00:49.520 a really good excuse to work on it, so I'll 20 00:00:49.560 --> 00:00:51.000 come up with another few for next week. 21 00:00:51.079 --> 00:00:53.520 You're great. You always hit a home run. I love that. 22 00:00:53.600 --> 00:00:55.960 It's as simple as that. But last night, those Patriots 23 00:00:56.039 --> 00:00:59.159 just didn't do it. It was and the Red Sox, Oh, 24 00:00:59.439 --> 00:01:01.679 I remember when you left last night. He said, we 25 00:01:01.759 --> 00:01:05.200 will be more fun and more entertaining. And guess what, 26 00:01:05.359 --> 00:01:07.120 the bar was very high. 27 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:08.319 I mean you always are. 28 00:01:08.359 --> 00:01:11.040 But yeah, from what I heard, I didn't watch it, 29 00:01:11.040 --> 00:01:12.439 it's probably ugly. 30 00:01:12.439 --> 00:01:14.040 And the guy that threw the one hitter, he only 31 00:01:14.079 --> 00:01:16.599 went seven innings, but he threw a one hitter and 32 00:01:16.959 --> 00:01:18.799 that's all the hits. The Red Sox said. The Red 33 00:01:18.799 --> 00:01:21.079 Sox had had him like a year ago and they 34 00:01:21.120 --> 00:01:21.879 gave up on him. 35 00:01:21.879 --> 00:01:26.680 Oh my, it's rebuilding or something. 36 00:01:26.760 --> 00:01:29.000 Well, I don't know. We're still alive, but they were 37 00:01:29.040 --> 00:01:30.760 still mathematically in it, so. 38 00:01:30.920 --> 00:01:31.640 That's all that matters. 39 00:01:31.719 --> 00:01:33.599 Right, They still have a chance, you know, and you 40 00:01:33.599 --> 00:01:34.519 can always. 41 00:01:34.159 --> 00:01:36.200 Just go get a family, frank and forget about the rest. 42 00:01:36.359 --> 00:01:39.640 Yeah. Right, they have a great weekend, you two. I'm 43 00:01:39.640 --> 00:01:42.439 glad I caught you. Thanks very much. All right, we're 44 00:01:42.439 --> 00:01:45.280 ready to go. Here we will be talking about a 45 00:01:45.400 --> 00:01:49.640 flight over flying the Israeli flag at Boston City Hall Plaza. 46 00:01:49.680 --> 00:01:52.439 We talking about the City councilor Ed Flynn along with 47 00:01:52.480 --> 00:01:55.519 my great friend Jeff Robbins, former Delegate to the United 48 00:01:55.599 --> 00:01:59.599 Nations Human Rights Council, lawyer extraordinary, former head of the 49 00:01:59.640 --> 00:02:02.120 Anti Defamation League here in New England, and we'll get 50 00:02:02.159 --> 00:02:04.079 to all of that, and we'll also talking about a 51 00:02:04.280 --> 00:02:07.319 new chapter in the Karen Reid case. We'll explain it 52 00:02:07.319 --> 00:02:09.599 with a couple of really good lawyers, Bill Kickham and 53 00:02:09.680 --> 00:02:13.080 Robert George. Bob George coming up at ten o'clock. But 54 00:02:13.199 --> 00:02:15.280 in the meantime we're going to do our first hour 55 00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:18.280 where we talk with four newsmakers of some sort or 56 00:02:18.319 --> 00:02:20.639 some level. Going to begin with the gentlemen by the 57 00:02:20.719 --> 00:02:23.560 name of David Die. David Dye, Welcome to Nightside. How 58 00:02:23.560 --> 00:02:24.240 are you, sir. 59 00:02:25.639 --> 00:02:26.360 Damn? Doing well? 60 00:02:26.400 --> 00:02:27.159 Thanks for having me. 61 00:02:27.919 --> 00:02:30.199 You are an author and president of a group called 62 00:02:30.280 --> 00:02:33.280 Let's Grow Leaders, of Global Leadership development firm known for 63 00:02:33.360 --> 00:02:37.439 practical tools and techniques for human centered leaders. I love 64 00:02:37.520 --> 00:02:40.240 that word human centered leaders, because I don't know what 65 00:02:40.400 --> 00:02:42.360 type of leaders we're going to have if they're not 66 00:02:42.719 --> 00:02:49.319 human centered. You have written a book called Powerful Phrases 67 00:02:49.400 --> 00:02:53.919 for Dealing with Workplace Conflict, Let's Grow Leaders. Tell us 68 00:02:53.919 --> 00:02:57.439 about it. How much workplace conflict do we have in 69 00:02:57.520 --> 00:03:01.800 America these days? I thought, I know, I thought everybody 70 00:03:01.879 --> 00:03:02.800 was working from home. 71 00:03:04.680 --> 00:03:06.319 Well, it's interesting you say that. You know, there's a 72 00:03:06.360 --> 00:03:08.800 sense that a lot of people I say, wow, I 73 00:03:08.840 --> 00:03:11.039 think we're having more conflicts. We actually did a five 74 00:03:11.080 --> 00:03:15.560 thousand plus research study. We surveyed five thousand people around 75 00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:18.039 the world, including all fifty US states, and asked them, 76 00:03:18.080 --> 00:03:20.479 you're like, what is happening with workplace conflict? I mean 77 00:03:20.479 --> 00:03:22.960 you're having more or less? And seventy percent of people 78 00:03:23.039 --> 00:03:25.599 around the world, including the US, said, you know, I'm 79 00:03:25.599 --> 00:03:27.719 having as much or more than I ever had in 80 00:03:27.759 --> 00:03:29.879 the past. And even if you look at those thirty 81 00:03:29.919 --> 00:03:32.960 percent and he said they're having less exactly what you're saying, 82 00:03:32.960 --> 00:03:35.439 Half of them said they just escaped. They escaped the 83 00:03:35.520 --> 00:03:38.360 toxic workplace, they escaped some conflict, or they're working from home. 84 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:41.039 They're not seeing people, so they're just not having interactions. 85 00:03:41.439 --> 00:03:42.639 And then you get all the things that are. 86 00:03:42.520 --> 00:03:43.080 Lost in that. 87 00:03:43.120 --> 00:03:44.960 So it might be more peaceful to them, but there's 88 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:47.599 a lot lost in that even so, well, I don't know. 89 00:03:47.599 --> 00:03:49.879 If you just listen to a little back and forth 90 00:03:49.919 --> 00:03:53.240 between myself, who's a talk show host, and Nicole Davis, 91 00:03:53.240 --> 00:03:55.639 who is one of our great news anchors here at WBZ, 92 00:03:56.759 --> 00:03:58.599 we have a lot of really fun people to work 93 00:03:58.639 --> 00:04:00.919 with where I work, So I'm been a tough time 94 00:04:01.680 --> 00:04:04.159 sort of relating to this. But as I understand it, 95 00:04:04.800 --> 00:04:09.599 in your book, you have powerful phrases for dealing with 96 00:04:09.719 --> 00:04:15.479 workplace conflict. That's intriguing. Give me a couple of examples. 97 00:04:15.520 --> 00:04:19.920 Are you talking about conflict between a boss and a worker. 98 00:04:20.040 --> 00:04:22.600 Are you talking about probably you're talking about everything working 99 00:04:22.639 --> 00:04:27.360 a worker conflict. You find yourself in a testing conversation 100 00:04:27.560 --> 00:04:31.120 with someone with whom you either are working with or 101 00:04:31.199 --> 00:04:37.199 working for, and you got some powerful phrases to, I guess, 102 00:04:37.279 --> 00:04:39.000 diffuse the situation. 103 00:04:40.639 --> 00:04:41.199 Absolutely. 104 00:04:41.279 --> 00:04:41.399 Dan. 105 00:04:41.480 --> 00:04:43.720 You said it earlier when you were talking to you said, Hey, 106 00:04:43.879 --> 00:04:45.839 we're going to have disagreements, but we're still going to 107 00:04:45.879 --> 00:04:48.480 be friends. And that is really what's at the heart 108 00:04:48.519 --> 00:04:50.920 of all of this is how do we respectfully disagree, 109 00:04:51.040 --> 00:04:54.079 have those conversations and come up with something that's better. 110 00:04:54.079 --> 00:04:57.040 Because we've all got our perspectives and so forth, so 111 00:04:57.120 --> 00:04:59.399 many of us, when we think of workplace conflict, people 112 00:04:59.439 --> 00:05:01.560 immediately shy away. They win and say, oh, I don't 113 00:05:01.600 --> 00:05:04.560 want to do that. Why because it feels destructive. We 114 00:05:04.639 --> 00:05:06.879 want to move away from that that destructive kind of 115 00:05:06.920 --> 00:05:09.600 conflict and to productive conflict with There's just another word 116 00:05:09.600 --> 00:05:11.920 for that is collaboration. So how do we do that? 117 00:05:12.040 --> 00:05:15.720 You know, there's four dimensions of this, of these conversations, 118 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:18.560 and if we can invest in these upfront, like you're saying, 119 00:05:18.680 --> 00:05:21.399 we understand one another, we know each other as human beings. 120 00:05:22.079 --> 00:05:24.319 So that connection, that's the first dimension, and we can 121 00:05:24.360 --> 00:05:26.519 start any conversation with that, even if we don't know 122 00:05:26.519 --> 00:05:28.879 the person. You're talking to, somebody from a different department 123 00:05:29.040 --> 00:05:31.000 you've got to work with and you need something, uh, 124 00:05:31.079 --> 00:05:34.199 they've got a different agenda, start the conversation with something 125 00:05:34.319 --> 00:05:37.399 practical like, hey, listen, I know that there's some things 126 00:05:37.439 --> 00:05:40.600 you've got going on, and I really want to figure 127 00:05:40.639 --> 00:05:42.240 out a way that we can work through this together 128 00:05:42.279 --> 00:05:43.720 in a way that's going to get the best for 129 00:05:43.839 --> 00:05:45.720 both of us, not going to be a headache for you, 130 00:05:45.839 --> 00:05:47.959 not gonna be a headache for us. I'm confident we 131 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:50.839 can do that, you know, just starting with a practical 132 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:54.759 phrase like that to build that connection absolutely, you know, 133 00:05:54.800 --> 00:05:56.240 you look at it another source. 134 00:05:56.480 --> 00:05:57.720 Oh go ahead, No, I'm. 135 00:05:57.600 --> 00:05:59.920 Saying that that makes sense because a lot of time 136 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:03.279 should throw it into situations and you know, every company 137 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:06.839 is different. I work in the media and what do 138 00:06:06.839 --> 00:06:09.639 you folks do? Do you go around and meet with 139 00:06:10.319 --> 00:06:14.079 management of companies? How do you what do you do 140 00:06:14.279 --> 00:06:17.680 to support yourself? Obviously I'm going to suggest that people 141 00:06:17.759 --> 00:06:21.480 might want to read the book that you've written, Oh 142 00:06:21.519 --> 00:06:21.839 for sure. 143 00:06:21.879 --> 00:06:22.120 Yeah. 144 00:06:22.160 --> 00:06:24.759 So we work with firms all over the world. So 145 00:06:24.800 --> 00:06:28.040 we've got global clients and work with managers and leaders 146 00:06:28.040 --> 00:06:32.439 to equip them with really practical leadership management tools so 147 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:36.040 they're able to help their teams achieve really good breakthrough 148 00:06:36.079 --> 00:06:40.000 transformational results while they also create a climate where people 149 00:06:40.079 --> 00:06:43.439 grow and thrive. And so that's really what our work 150 00:06:43.519 --> 00:06:45.519 is and we help organizations to do that. 151 00:06:46.560 --> 00:06:48.600 How long you've been doing this? This is this a 152 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:52.680 new venture post post covid or have you been around 153 00:06:52.680 --> 00:06:53.319 for a long time? 154 00:06:55.000 --> 00:06:55.680 Over a decades? 155 00:06:55.720 --> 00:06:58.399 So I've been at this since twenty long time. 156 00:06:59.680 --> 00:07:03.040 That's a long time. And you find that most people 157 00:07:03.519 --> 00:07:06.519 are at least willing to hear listen to you or 158 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:07.279 hear you out. 159 00:07:08.720 --> 00:07:11.199 You know, there's a wide variety out there, and we're 160 00:07:11.279 --> 00:07:13.040 very up fun about it. I say, listen, if you 161 00:07:13.199 --> 00:07:16.199 consider yourself a human centered leader and you are wanting 162 00:07:16.240 --> 00:07:18.519 those skills, then we're here for you. We can get 163 00:07:18.560 --> 00:07:21.079 real practical, we can help you do that. Some people 164 00:07:21.160 --> 00:07:24.160 aren't interested in that, and that it's okay, we're not 165 00:07:24.199 --> 00:07:26.879 for them. No, not everyone's for everyone, so that's all right. 166 00:07:27.800 --> 00:07:32.279 What percentage of, however, you want to describe people as leaders, 167 00:07:32.319 --> 00:07:35.680 whether you're talking about the CEO at the top of 168 00:07:35.720 --> 00:07:39.800 the company or the middle management person or the person, 169 00:07:40.120 --> 00:07:43.839 what percentage of people do you think realize that you're 170 00:07:43.879 --> 00:07:45.959 going to get more out of a worker if you 171 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:48.199 give them a compliment or a pat on the back 172 00:07:48.600 --> 00:07:50.519 as opposed to a kick in the butt. 173 00:07:51.839 --> 00:07:54.600 You know, it's very interesting. I would say that there 174 00:07:54.800 --> 00:07:58.000 is on one level, let's make it ninety five percent. 175 00:07:58.040 --> 00:08:01.000 And here's why I would say that is because you 176 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:06.120 ask anybody what works for you, which would you rather have? Yeah, 177 00:08:06.160 --> 00:08:08.199 of course, and the majority of people are gona say, yeah, 178 00:08:08.199 --> 00:08:10.000 I'd rather have the compliment. You know, I don't I 179 00:08:10.079 --> 00:08:11.680 want to get kicked in the button in negative way. 180 00:08:11.800 --> 00:08:13.600 I mean I like a little pressure, like a little uh, 181 00:08:14.000 --> 00:08:16.360 you know, elevate me, make me better, sure, but I 182 00:08:16.360 --> 00:08:18.720 don't need that to be negative. Most people are going 183 00:08:18.759 --> 00:08:20.560 to say that, yeah, Well. 184 00:08:20.399 --> 00:08:22.480 It's it's like the pitching coach that walks out to 185 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:24.720 the mound after you've just given up a three run 186 00:08:24.759 --> 00:08:27.920 home run. Uh. And the first word is you know 187 00:08:28.160 --> 00:08:31.160 what you throw them the slider for? You know, I 188 00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:32.960 mean you didn't do it on purpose. 189 00:08:33.159 --> 00:08:35.120 You know, I mean they don't feel bad already. 190 00:08:35.320 --> 00:08:38.879 Yeah, that's exactly. And and I carry that analogy onto 191 00:08:39.559 --> 00:08:42.440 onto a workplace environment. You know, go out there and 192 00:08:42.480 --> 00:08:44.200 see the pitcher and say, hey, man, tough one. You know, 193 00:08:44.279 --> 00:08:46.360 tough one, don't worry. You gave us six good innings. 194 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:48.799 You know, hit the showers. We'll take it from here. 195 00:08:49.399 --> 00:08:49.480 Uh. 196 00:08:49.639 --> 00:08:51.600 The guy's going to walk off the mound feeling a 197 00:08:51.679 --> 00:08:54.919 lot different. And if you compare that to work, I mean, 198 00:08:55.159 --> 00:08:59.080 there's a million interactions in workplaces and you can either 199 00:08:59.159 --> 00:09:03.399 be negative and then basically put people down or you 200 00:09:03.399 --> 00:09:07.320 can try to lift them up. So I love everything 201 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:09.360 that you've said, David, tell us about the book and 202 00:09:09.360 --> 00:09:10.360 how can people get it? 203 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:12.360 Absolutely. 204 00:09:12.360 --> 00:09:15.279 The book's called Powerful Phrases for dealing with the Workplace of Conflict. 205 00:09:15.279 --> 00:09:17.759 We have over three hundred phrases, specific words you can 206 00:09:17.840 --> 00:09:19.840 use to start those conversations. All it's going to be 207 00:09:19.919 --> 00:09:23.080 super productive. It's available anywhere books are sold. So if 208 00:09:23.080 --> 00:09:25.440 you like audio, or you listen to the radio, so 209 00:09:25.519 --> 00:09:29.200 you like audio, my partner and I read that book together, 210 00:09:29.360 --> 00:09:31.679 and so where the authors and you can get that 211 00:09:31.720 --> 00:09:33.679 directly from us if you like audio. But it's available 212 00:09:33.679 --> 00:09:35.200 anywhere books are sold. And if you want to find 213 00:09:35.240 --> 00:09:37.679 out more about us, you can go to let's Grow 214 00:09:37.960 --> 00:09:41.039 leaders dot com and we've got a bunch of different 215 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:45.879 resources there, including a free discussion guide that's download anybody 216 00:09:45.879 --> 00:09:48.759 who can get that, and you can walk through how 217 00:09:48.759 --> 00:09:51.720 to use these phrases, how to have these productive conversations 218 00:09:51.720 --> 00:09:54.639 yourself at work and guide your team through it. And 219 00:09:54.679 --> 00:09:56.360 you can do that all on your own. That's available 220 00:09:56.360 --> 00:09:57.159 free at the website. 221 00:09:57.279 --> 00:09:59.879 Sounds great at Amazon, I'm sure the book is available. 222 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:01.399 The other thing which I want you to know is 223 00:10:01.440 --> 00:10:04.919 we post these interviews. My producer will explain to you, 224 00:10:04.960 --> 00:10:08.720 but we'll be posting our interview on our website nightside 225 00:10:08.720 --> 00:10:11.960 on demand, and you can get this anytime tomorrow. Put 226 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:14.000 it down, put it up on your website, shirt with 227 00:10:14.159 --> 00:10:17.960 however many people you like. It's a nice seven eight 228 00:10:18.039 --> 00:10:21.480 minute interview which explains your organization. I hope, I know 229 00:10:21.600 --> 00:10:22.960 you did a great job and it I hope I 230 00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:25.240 help you a little bit along the way. But stay 231 00:10:25.279 --> 00:10:28.120 there and Rob will tell you how easy it is 232 00:10:28.159 --> 00:10:30.320 to pull it down off of our website Nightside on 233 00:10:30.399 --> 00:10:33.799 Demand sometime probably anytime after two three o'clock tomorrow morning. 234 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:35.919 Rob posts them up after midnight. 235 00:10:35.960 --> 00:10:38.919 Okay, appreciate it, Dan, thank you so much. 236 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:40.759 Appreciate it whole lot. We get back on to talk 237 00:10:40.799 --> 00:10:43.799 about sharks in the North Shore. No, not land sharks, 238 00:10:43.799 --> 00:10:47.159 sharks in the ocean. The water is a little more 239 00:10:47.279 --> 00:10:50.039 a little colder up north of the city than it 240 00:10:50.120 --> 00:10:52.279 is down on the other side of the cape. So 241 00:10:52.519 --> 00:10:53.960 we'll try to find out what's going on. Going to 242 00:10:53.960 --> 00:10:57.639 talk with John Chisholm from the New England Aquarium. Great location. 243 00:10:57.799 --> 00:11:00.919 He's involved. He's a scientist for me Wig Aquarium who's 244 00:11:00.960 --> 00:11:04.879 involved in He studies sharks. A lot of people study sharks. 245 00:11:04.919 --> 00:11:07.559 Back on Nightside, stay right with us. Coming back right 246 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:11.080 after this. Now back to Dan ray Line from the 247 00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:15.759 Window World Night six Studios on w b Z News Radio. Well, 248 00:11:15.840 --> 00:11:18.360 all of us in New England know a lot about sharks, 249 00:11:18.360 --> 00:11:20.919 but probably no one knows as much about sharks as 250 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:23.840 John Chisholm. He's a scientist at the New England Aquarium 251 00:11:23.879 --> 00:11:26.879 and he studies sharks. John, Welcome to Nightside. 252 00:11:26.879 --> 00:11:29.559 How are you, sir, good Dan? How are you? 253 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:34.120 I'm doing great. Look, my kids have a shark tivity, 254 00:11:34.279 --> 00:11:38.440 so we follow the sharks like they follow the sharks 255 00:11:38.480 --> 00:11:42.399 like most people follow the stock market or the Red 256 00:11:42.440 --> 00:11:45.919 Sox red Sox standing which has not been good recently. 257 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:48.919 So what's going on sharks on the north Shore? I'm 258 00:11:48.919 --> 00:11:50.759 going to take a guess, but I'm assuming it's a 259 00:11:50.799 --> 00:11:54.159 little rarer up to because the water's colder off our 260 00:11:54.320 --> 00:11:56.480 lovely north shore that it is off the cape. Is 261 00:11:56.879 --> 00:11:59.159 that a factor in the fact that they're migrating and 262 00:11:59.200 --> 00:12:01.559 maybe coming up a little further north than they normally. 263 00:12:01.240 --> 00:12:07.039 Would Actually, No, they people, You've. 264 00:12:06.840 --> 00:12:12.000 Just proven I know nothing about That's it. Go ahead. 265 00:12:13.480 --> 00:12:17.080 There's a lot of different shark species and some of 266 00:12:17.080 --> 00:12:21.480 them are expanding their range because of warming waters. But 267 00:12:21.639 --> 00:12:24.919 white sharks are one of the species that actually prefer 268 00:12:25.200 --> 00:12:29.759 temperate waters. They like the sixty degrees sixty to mid sixties. 269 00:12:29.799 --> 00:12:33.759 That's really their their preferred water temperature, and that's what 270 00:12:33.799 --> 00:12:36.399 we have right now up off the north shore. But 271 00:12:37.159 --> 00:12:39.320 a lot of people are surprised with the activity this 272 00:12:39.399 --> 00:12:42.639 week to learn that there are white sharks in the area. 273 00:12:42.679 --> 00:12:45.960 But every year we see white shucks in that area 274 00:12:46.039 --> 00:12:48.960 this time. If you go on the Atlantic White Shuck 275 00:12:49.000 --> 00:12:54.919 Conservancy website and you look at their their log book, 276 00:12:54.919 --> 00:12:58.120 you can see that it shows all the receivers over 277 00:12:58.120 --> 00:13:00.559 the years that have detected sharks. You can look at 278 00:13:00.559 --> 00:13:03.720 the receivers up on the north Shore and in Cape 279 00:13:03.759 --> 00:13:07.120 Card Bay and you see September is the time that 280 00:13:07.240 --> 00:13:11.159 we start to get more activity, and that that's why 281 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:16.840 if you've been following shar activity you can see that 282 00:13:17.080 --> 00:13:20.919 throughout Massachusetts and New England, September is one of the 283 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:24.559 peak months for activities. So we always warn people, you know, 284 00:13:24.639 --> 00:13:27.399 b sharks smart. A lot of people just think of 285 00:13:27.519 --> 00:13:29.720 it as a Cape Card thing, but it's it's an 286 00:13:29.759 --> 00:13:33.720 actual Atlantic Ocean thing. So if you're going to you're 287 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:37.120 going to the beach in Massachusetts or New England, even 288 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:39.799 up in the Canada, you know, you have to be 289 00:13:39.840 --> 00:13:42.200 aware that that's white shark habitat and this is the 290 00:13:42.200 --> 00:13:43.799 peak time of year for activities. 291 00:13:44.519 --> 00:13:47.399 So this is so obviously you need to be concerned 292 00:13:47.399 --> 00:13:49.360 about it. But this is not a new development that 293 00:13:49.440 --> 00:13:51.279 it sounds to me like this is just part of 294 00:13:51.440 --> 00:13:56.600 the ocean seasons as it goes from the coldest waters 295 00:13:56.600 --> 00:13:59.919 in the spring through maybe the best waters. Many people 296 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:02.080 say the best time to swim in the ocean off 297 00:14:02.120 --> 00:14:04.639 of Cape Cod is in September or October in terms 298 00:14:04.679 --> 00:14:07.120 of if you want warmer water. 299 00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:12.360 Right, that's spot on. Even though the water the air 300 00:14:12.399 --> 00:14:16.080 temperatures are dropping in the fall, it's actually when we 301 00:14:16.120 --> 00:14:18.919 have the warmer water. So a lot of people do 302 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:23.159 go to the beach still through September, but they just 303 00:14:23.240 --> 00:14:26.480 don't realize that they're also swimming with the sharks who 304 00:14:26.519 --> 00:14:30.879 also like that water. But it in the case of 305 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:34.600 us sightings in the past week up off the north shore, 306 00:14:34.720 --> 00:14:39.080 it is a spike in activity. We do have sharks, 307 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:41.279 like I said, every year up there, especially this time 308 00:14:41.279 --> 00:14:44.159 of year, but we haven't seen the numbers like we 309 00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:47.440 have in the past couple of weeks. And we also 310 00:14:47.559 --> 00:14:51.039 know which doesn't get as much coverage. But there's been 311 00:14:51.080 --> 00:14:53.480 a lot of blue fin tuna up there, there's been 312 00:14:53.519 --> 00:14:56.000 a lot of whale sightings. There's been other sharks as well, 313 00:14:56.039 --> 00:14:59.440 like ploor biago sharks and macro shocks, so that's an 314 00:14:59.440 --> 00:15:02.279 indication that there's a lot of productivity going on in 315 00:15:02.279 --> 00:15:05.759 that area. The water conditions are right, the food is there, 316 00:15:05.960 --> 00:15:07.000 so the sharks are there. 317 00:15:07.360 --> 00:15:12.000 So oftentimes when there's anything that like this, some folks 318 00:15:12.039 --> 00:15:14.519 will say, well, it must be climate change. This is 319 00:15:14.559 --> 00:15:18.159 not something that is a negative thing necessarily. When you 320 00:15:18.200 --> 00:15:20.919 say productivity, I think what you're saying is that the 321 00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:24.480 sharks are having more time and spending time with one 322 00:15:24.480 --> 00:15:26.600 another and nature happens. 323 00:15:27.759 --> 00:15:31.559 Yeah, yeah, it's definitely as much as some people may 324 00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:33.600 be scared about it, you don't have to be scared, 325 00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:36.320 you just need to be aware. But it's a good thing. 326 00:15:36.399 --> 00:15:38.799 It's a sign that, you know, we have good water, 327 00:15:39.399 --> 00:15:43.000 we have a lot of food prey items for the 328 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:46.919 sharks and other fish, and there's any fishermen can tell you. You know, 329 00:15:47.120 --> 00:15:50.840 every year fishermen try to find the best fishing spot 330 00:15:50.919 --> 00:15:54.440 and every year it changes depending on how the conditions 331 00:15:54.440 --> 00:15:56.639 set up. A couple of years ago off of Plymouth 332 00:15:57.399 --> 00:16:00.440 was you know, great, same thing going on, a great 333 00:16:00.559 --> 00:16:04.279 water tempters, a lot of bait fish, a lot of productivity. 334 00:16:04.320 --> 00:16:07.039 We saw a lot of tuna, whales and sharks. So 335 00:16:07.080 --> 00:16:10.480 it's you know, it happens every year. You know, the 336 00:16:10.519 --> 00:16:12.960 conditions set up in different places, and I think that's 337 00:16:12.960 --> 00:16:15.679 what we're seeing this year up off the north shore 338 00:16:15.799 --> 00:16:18.919 is the sharks are there every year, but this year 339 00:16:18.960 --> 00:16:21.840 the conditions are just really good for them to be 340 00:16:23.320 --> 00:16:24.960 an abundance up there right now. 341 00:16:25.080 --> 00:16:27.879 Okay, So I got a couple of other questions. One 342 00:16:28.600 --> 00:16:30.879 and if you and I had been living here one 343 00:16:31.000 --> 00:16:33.720 hundred years ago or two hundred years ago, and we 344 00:16:33.840 --> 00:16:38.039 had all of the tracking capacity that you and other 345 00:16:38.120 --> 00:16:41.960 professionals in the New England Aquarium have, would have this 346 00:16:42.120 --> 00:16:45.159 been pretty much considered. You know, this is what has 347 00:16:45.200 --> 00:16:47.039 been going on for a long time. This is not 348 00:16:47.080 --> 00:16:48.960 something that has just popped up in the last couple 349 00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:51.799 of years. That's that's the sense I'm getting from you. 350 00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:56.360 Yeah, we know because white sharks have been protected since 351 00:16:56.440 --> 00:17:00.840 nineteen ninety seven, and also they're their food has been 352 00:17:00.879 --> 00:17:04.039 protected the seals since nineteen seventy two, that we are 353 00:17:04.079 --> 00:17:06.279 seeing in increase in numbers. But if you go back 354 00:17:06.319 --> 00:17:09.079 through history, and the best example I can give you 355 00:17:10.119 --> 00:17:14.079 is Henry David Threaux and his book Tape Cod He 356 00:17:14.279 --> 00:17:18.720 writes about white sharks off of Wellfleet, So we know 357 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:22.240 they were there, you know, and even further back. If 358 00:17:22.279 --> 00:17:29.119 you go into Native American more archaeological digs, yeah, you 359 00:17:29.160 --> 00:17:33.359 can find white shark teeth. So you know they were 360 00:17:33.519 --> 00:17:37.880 always here and now we're seeing a resurgence thanks to 361 00:17:37.920 --> 00:17:41.680 the protections that they've been afforded. But they've always been 362 00:17:41.839 --> 00:17:43.880 they've been here before us. 363 00:17:44.599 --> 00:17:49.440 Excellent, That's that's great news. My last question is when 364 00:17:49.480 --> 00:17:54.000 the weather really turns in November. Well, the sharks that 365 00:17:54.079 --> 00:17:57.319 we're seeing off either the north or the cape, how 366 00:17:57.359 --> 00:17:59.359 far back seal did they drift for the winter. 367 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:06.039 Well, they go further than even we thought. So one 368 00:18:06.039 --> 00:18:07.960 of the shocks, we have a shock if you go 369 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:10.519 on the Shocktivity app and your kids can probably tell 370 00:18:10.559 --> 00:18:12.839 you all about her. We have a shock named Wee 371 00:18:12.839 --> 00:18:16.759 Beth that was tagged by Captain Chip, Mike Love and 372 00:18:17.039 --> 00:18:20.319 Megan Linton from the Atlantic White Shark Conservancy off of 373 00:18:20.319 --> 00:18:23.680 South Carolina. Over the winter. That shock went all the 374 00:18:23.720 --> 00:18:27.359 way to Mexico, came back along the Gulf Coast, made 375 00:18:27.400 --> 00:18:30.119 a tour of the Eastern seaboard, and is currently on 376 00:18:30.160 --> 00:18:34.799 the west side of Prince Edward Island, Canada. So they 377 00:18:34.880 --> 00:18:41.920 travel pretty far. And I mean, like we've been talking about, 378 00:18:42.599 --> 00:18:48.319 it's all about you know, comfortable water temperatures. They like 379 00:18:48.400 --> 00:18:53.599 their preferred water temperatures and the availability of food so well. 380 00:18:54.559 --> 00:18:57.200 I know that they have a seal buffet down off 381 00:18:57.240 --> 00:18:59.960 the cape on Montamoy Island because I've been out there 382 00:19:00.440 --> 00:19:04.000 looked at that. That is if you love seal, you know. 383 00:19:04.640 --> 00:19:08.240 It's like some people go to the salad the buffet 384 00:19:08.359 --> 00:19:11.400 and they love shrimp and they'll put twenty shrimp on 385 00:19:11.440 --> 00:19:14.599 their plate. The sharks love seal, and that's where they 386 00:19:14.599 --> 00:19:17.759 had their seal buffet. John, I really enjoyed this conversation. 387 00:19:17.880 --> 00:19:19.680 I don't know a lot about it, but you have 388 00:19:19.799 --> 00:19:22.079 taught me a lot in a brief period of time. 389 00:19:22.160 --> 00:19:25.000 The New England Aquarium is just great. I hope you 390 00:19:25.039 --> 00:19:27.720 guys are doing well there, and I hope any family 391 00:19:27.759 --> 00:19:30.079 that has kids who are young, it is one of 392 00:19:30.119 --> 00:19:33.759 the best places to bring young kids, particularly as they're 393 00:19:33.799 --> 00:19:36.359 just coming of age six, seven, eight, nine years old. 394 00:19:36.839 --> 00:19:39.200 Perfect just to open their eyes to the to the 395 00:19:39.240 --> 00:19:43.119 rest of the world. John, have a great, great last well, 396 00:19:43.279 --> 00:19:45.759 I guess the last half weekend of summer. 397 00:19:45.799 --> 00:19:49.880 Okay, all right, all right, thanks Dan, You're very welcome. 398 00:19:49.960 --> 00:19:52.799 John. Thanks again. We get back right after the news 399 00:19:52.839 --> 00:19:54.720 we're going to introduce you to a new trend. I 400 00:19:54.720 --> 00:19:56.279 know you're not going to believe this one, but this 401 00:19:56.440 --> 00:19:59.079