Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBS Boston News Radio. Nicole,
Speaker 1: you are the best at segues. You're hit a home run.
Speaker 1: I love that those people who listened to the Red
Speaker 1: Sox last night didn't see much action. They got a
Speaker 1: one hitter. They were one hit by a pitcher who
Speaker 1: the Red Sox gave up part a year or so ago.
Speaker 1: And Patriot fans ugly ugly in New York last night.
Speaker 1: But it won't be ugly here on Nightside. You know
Speaker 1: that we're always gonna have fun. Yeah, we're gonna have
Speaker 1: some disagreements, but we're gonna remain friends. It's a simple
Speaker 1: as sad. My name is Dan Ray. I am the
Speaker 1: host of Nightside and Nicole. And if you're still in
Speaker 1: the studio but have a great weekend, oh yes, you
Speaker 1: too deserve it, that is for sure. You are the
Speaker 1: best person.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: You give me a lot of time to practice, which
Speaker 3: I appreciate. It's just like, you know what, I have
Speaker 3: a really good excuse to work on it, so I'll
Speaker 3: come up with another few for next week.
Speaker 1: You're great. You always hit a home run. I love that.
Speaker 1: It's as simple as that. But last night, those Patriots
Speaker 1: just didn't do it. It was and the Red Sox, Oh,
Speaker 1: I remember when you left last night. He said, we
Speaker 1: will be more fun and more entertaining. And guess what,
Speaker 1: the bar was very high.
Speaker 4: I mean you always are.
Speaker 3: But yeah, from what I heard, I didn't watch it,
Speaker 3: it's probably ugly.
Speaker 1: And the guy that threw the one hitter, he only
Speaker 1: went seven innings, but he threw a one hitter and
Speaker 1: that's all the hits. The Red Sox said. The Red
Speaker 1: Sox had had him like a year ago and they
Speaker 1: gave up on him.
Speaker 3: Oh my, it's rebuilding or something.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. We're still alive, but they were
Speaker 1: still mathematically in it, so.
Speaker 4: That's all that matters.
Speaker 1: Right, They still have a chance, you know, and you
Speaker 1: can always.
Speaker 3: Just go get a family, frank and forget about the rest.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Right, they have a great weekend, you two. I'm
Speaker 1: glad I caught you. Thanks very much. All right, we're
Speaker 1: ready to go. Here we will be talking about a
Speaker 1: flight over flying the Israeli flag at Boston City Hall Plaza.
Speaker 1: We talking about the City councilor Ed Flynn along with
Speaker 1: my great friend Jeff Robbins, former Delegate to the United
Speaker 1: Nations Human Rights Council, lawyer extraordinary, former head of the
Speaker 1: Anti Defamation League here in New England, and we'll get
Speaker 1: to all of that, and we'll also talking about a
Speaker 1: new chapter in the Karen Reid case. We'll explain it
Speaker 1: with a couple of really good lawyers, Bill Kickham and
Speaker 1: Robert George. Bob George coming up at ten o'clock. But
Speaker 1: in the meantime we're going to do our first hour
Speaker 1: where we talk with four newsmakers of some sort or
Speaker 1: some level. Going to begin with the gentlemen by the
Speaker 1: name of David Die. David Dye, Welcome to Nightside. How
Speaker 1: are you, sir.
Speaker 2: Damn? Doing well?
Speaker 5: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: You are an author and president of a group called
Speaker 1: Let's Grow Leaders, of Global Leadership development firm known for
Speaker 1: practical tools and techniques for human centered leaders. I love
Speaker 1: that word human centered leaders, because I don't know what
Speaker 1: type of leaders we're going to have if they're not
Speaker 1: human centered. You have written a book called Powerful Phrases
Speaker 1: for Dealing with Workplace Conflict, Let's Grow Leaders. Tell us
Speaker 1: about it. How much workplace conflict do we have in
Speaker 1: America these days? I thought, I know, I thought everybody
Speaker 1: was working from home.
Speaker 5: Well, it's interesting you say that. You know, there's a
Speaker 5: sense that a lot of people I say, wow, I
Speaker 5: think we're having more conflicts. We actually did a five
Speaker 5: thousand plus research study. We surveyed five thousand people around
Speaker 5: the world, including all fifty US states, and asked them,
Speaker 5: you're like, what is happening with workplace conflict? I mean
Speaker 5: you're having more or less? And seventy percent of people
Speaker 5: around the world, including the US, said, you know, I'm
Speaker 5: having as much or more than I ever had in
Speaker 5: the past. And even if you look at those thirty
Speaker 5: percent and he said they're having less exactly what you're saying,
Speaker 5: Half of them said they just escaped. They escaped the
Speaker 5: toxic workplace, they escaped some conflict, or they're working from home.
Speaker 5: They're not seeing people, so they're just not having interactions.
Speaker 5: And then you get all the things that are.
Speaker 2: Lost in that.
Speaker 5: So it might be more peaceful to them, but there's
Speaker 5: a lot lost in that even so, well, I don't know.
Speaker 1: If you just listen to a little back and forth
Speaker 1: between myself, who's a talk show host, and Nicole Davis,
Speaker 1: who is one of our great news anchors here at WBZ,
Speaker 1: we have a lot of really fun people to work
Speaker 1: with where I work, So I'm been a tough time
Speaker 1: sort of relating to this. But as I understand it,
Speaker 1: in your book, you have powerful phrases for dealing with
Speaker 1: workplace conflict. That's intriguing. Give me a couple of examples.
Speaker 1: Are you talking about conflict between a boss and a worker.
Speaker 1: Are you talking about probably you're talking about everything working
Speaker 1: a worker conflict. You find yourself in a testing conversation
Speaker 1: with someone with whom you either are working with or
Speaker 1: working for, and you got some powerful phrases to, I guess,
Speaker 1: diffuse the situation.
Speaker 5: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Dan.
Speaker 5: You said it earlier when you were talking to you said, Hey,
Speaker 5: we're going to have disagreements, but we're still going to
Speaker 5: be friends. And that is really what's at the heart
Speaker 5: of all of this is how do we respectfully disagree,
Speaker 5: have those conversations and come up with something that's better.
Speaker 5: Because we've all got our perspectives and so forth, so
Speaker 5: many of us, when we think of workplace conflict, people
Speaker 5: immediately shy away. They win and say, oh, I don't
Speaker 5: want to do that. Why because it feels destructive. We
Speaker 5: want to move away from that that destructive kind of
Speaker 5: conflict and to productive conflict with There's just another word
Speaker 5: for that is collaboration. So how do we do that?
Speaker 5: You know, there's four dimensions of this, of these conversations,
Speaker 5: and if we can invest in these upfront, like you're saying,
Speaker 5: we understand one another, we know each other as human beings.
Speaker 5: So that connection, that's the first dimension, and we can
Speaker 5: start any conversation with that, even if we don't know
Speaker 5: the person. You're talking to, somebody from a different department
Speaker 5: you've got to work with and you need something, uh,
Speaker 5: they've got a different agenda, start the conversation with something
Speaker 5: practical like, hey, listen, I know that there's some things
Speaker 5: you've got going on, and I really want to figure
Speaker 5: out a way that we can work through this together
Speaker 5: in a way that's going to get the best for
Speaker 5: both of us, not going to be a headache for you,
Speaker 5: not gonna be a headache for us. I'm confident we
Speaker 5: can do that, you know, just starting with a practical
Speaker 5: phrase like that to build that connection absolutely, you know,
Speaker 5: you look at it another source.
Speaker 2: Oh go ahead, No, I'm.
Speaker 1: Saying that that makes sense because a lot of time
Speaker 1: should throw it into situations and you know, every company
Speaker 1: is different. I work in the media and what do
Speaker 1: you folks do? Do you go around and meet with
Speaker 1: management of companies? How do you what do you do
Speaker 1: to support yourself? Obviously I'm going to suggest that people
Speaker 1: might want to read the book that you've written, Oh
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So we work with firms all over the world. So
Speaker 5: we've got global clients and work with managers and leaders
Speaker 5: to equip them with really practical leadership management tools so
Speaker 5: they're able to help their teams achieve really good breakthrough
Speaker 5: transformational results while they also create a climate where people
Speaker 5: grow and thrive. And so that's really what our work
Speaker 5: is and we help organizations to do that.
Speaker 1: How long you've been doing this? This is this a
Speaker 1: new venture post post covid or have you been around
Speaker 1: for a long time?
Speaker 2: Over a decades?
Speaker 5: So I've been at this since twenty long time.
Speaker 1: That's a long time. And you find that most people
Speaker 1: are at least willing to hear listen to you or
Speaker 1: hear you out.
Speaker 5: You know, there's a wide variety out there, and we're
Speaker 5: very up fun about it. I say, listen, if you
Speaker 5: consider yourself a human centered leader and you are wanting
Speaker 5: those skills, then we're here for you. We can get
Speaker 5: real practical, we can help you do that. Some people
Speaker 5: aren't interested in that, and that it's okay, we're not
Speaker 5: for them. No, not everyone's for everyone, so that's all right.
Speaker 1: What percentage of, however, you want to describe people as leaders,
Speaker 1: whether you're talking about the CEO at the top of
Speaker 1: the company or the middle management person or the person,
Speaker 1: what percentage of people do you think realize that you're
Speaker 1: going to get more out of a worker if you
Speaker 1: give them a compliment or a pat on the back
Speaker 1: as opposed to a kick in the butt.
Speaker 5: You know, it's very interesting. I would say that there
Speaker 5: is on one level, let's make it ninety five percent.
Speaker 5: And here's why I would say that is because you
Speaker 5: ask anybody what works for you, which would you rather have? Yeah,
Speaker 5: of course, and the majority of people are gona say, yeah,
Speaker 5: I'd rather have the compliment. You know, I don't I
Speaker 5: want to get kicked in the button in negative way.
Speaker 5: I mean I like a little pressure, like a little uh,
Speaker 5: you know, elevate me, make me better, sure, but I
Speaker 5: don't need that to be negative. Most people are going
Speaker 5: to say that, yeah, Well.
Speaker 1: It's it's like the pitching coach that walks out to
Speaker 1: the mound after you've just given up a three run
Speaker 1: home run. Uh. And the first word is you know
Speaker 1: what you throw them the slider for? You know, I
Speaker 1: mean you didn't do it on purpose.
Speaker 5: You know, I mean they don't feel bad already.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly. And and I carry that analogy onto
Speaker 1: onto a workplace environment. You know, go out there and
Speaker 1: see the pitcher and say, hey, man, tough one. You know,
Speaker 1: tough one, don't worry. You gave us six good innings.
Speaker 1: You know, hit the showers. We'll take it from here.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: The guy's going to walk off the mound feeling a
Speaker 1: lot different. And if you compare that to work, I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a million interactions in workplaces and you can either
Speaker 1: be negative and then basically put people down or you
Speaker 1: can try to lift them up. So I love everything
Speaker 1: that you've said, David, tell us about the book and
Speaker 1: how can people get it?
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 5: The book's called Powerful Phrases for dealing with the Workplace of Conflict.
Speaker 5: We have over three hundred phrases, specific words you can
Speaker 5: use to start those conversations. All it's going to be
Speaker 5: super productive. It's available anywhere books are sold. So if
Speaker 5: you like audio, or you listen to the radio, so
Speaker 5: you like audio, my partner and I read that book together,
Speaker 5: and so where the authors and you can get that
Speaker 5: directly from us if you like audio. But it's available
Speaker 5: anywhere books are sold. And if you want to find
Speaker 5: out more about us, you can go to let's Grow
Speaker 5: leaders dot com and we've got a bunch of different
Speaker 5: resources there, including a free discussion guide that's download anybody
Speaker 5: who can get that, and you can walk through how
Speaker 5: to use these phrases, how to have these productive conversations
Speaker 5: yourself at work and guide your team through it. And
Speaker 5: you can do that all on your own. That's available
Speaker 5: free at the website.
Speaker 1: Sounds great at Amazon, I'm sure the book is available.
Speaker 1: The other thing which I want you to know is
Speaker 1: we post these interviews. My producer will explain to you,
Speaker 1: but we'll be posting our interview on our website nightside
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Speaker 1: it down, put it up on your website, shirt with
Speaker 1: however many people you like. It's a nice seven eight
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Speaker 1: you did a great job and it I hope I
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Speaker 1: Rob posts them up after midnight.
Speaker 5: Okay, appreciate it, Dan, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Appreciate it whole lot. We get back on to talk
Speaker 1: about sharks in the North Shore. No, not land sharks,
Speaker 1: sharks in the ocean. The water is a little more
Speaker 1: a little colder up north of the city than it
Speaker 1: is down on the other side of the cape. So
Speaker 1: we'll try to find out what's going on. Going to
Speaker 1: talk with John Chisholm from the New England Aquarium. Great location.
Speaker 1: He's involved. He's a scientist for me Wig Aquarium who's
Speaker 1: involved in He studies sharks. A lot of people study sharks.
Speaker 1: Back on Nightside, stay right with us. Coming back right
Speaker 1: after this. Now back to Dan ray Line from the
Speaker 1: Window World Night six Studios on w b Z News Radio. Well,
Speaker 1: all of us in New England know a lot about sharks,
Speaker 1: but probably no one knows as much about sharks as
Speaker 1: John Chisholm. He's a scientist at the New England Aquarium
Speaker 1: and he studies sharks. John, Welcome to Nightside.
Speaker 2: How are you, sir, good Dan? How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm doing great. Look, my kids have a shark tivity,
Speaker 1: so we follow the sharks like they follow the sharks
Speaker 1: like most people follow the stock market or the Red
Speaker 1: Sox red Sox standing which has not been good recently.
Speaker 1: So what's going on sharks on the north Shore? I'm
Speaker 1: going to take a guess, but I'm assuming it's a
Speaker 1: little rarer up to because the water's colder off our
Speaker 1: lovely north shore that it is off the cape. Is
Speaker 1: that a factor in the fact that they're migrating and
Speaker 1: maybe coming up a little further north than they normally.
Speaker 2: Would Actually, No, they people, You've.
Speaker 1: Just proven I know nothing about That's it. Go ahead.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of different shark species and some of
Speaker 2: them are expanding their range because of warming waters. But
Speaker 2: white sharks are one of the species that actually prefer
Speaker 2: temperate waters. They like the sixty degrees sixty to mid sixties.
Speaker 2: That's really their their preferred water temperature, and that's what
Speaker 2: we have right now up off the north shore. But
Speaker 2: a lot of people are surprised with the activity this
Speaker 2: week to learn that there are white sharks in the area.
Speaker 2: But every year we see white shucks in that area
Speaker 2: this time. If you go on the Atlantic White Shuck
Speaker 2: Conservancy website and you look at their their log book,
Speaker 2: you can see that it shows all the receivers over
Speaker 2: the years that have detected sharks. You can look at
Speaker 2: the receivers up on the north Shore and in Cape
Speaker 2: Card Bay and you see September is the time that
Speaker 2: we start to get more activity, and that that's why
Speaker 2: if you've been following shar activity you can see that
Speaker 2: throughout Massachusetts and New England, September is one of the
Speaker 2: peak months for activities. So we always warn people, you know,
Speaker 2: b sharks smart. A lot of people just think of
Speaker 2: it as a Cape Card thing, but it's it's an
Speaker 2: actual Atlantic Ocean thing. So if you're going to you're
Speaker 2: going to the beach in Massachusetts or New England, even
Speaker 2: up in the Canada, you know, you have to be
Speaker 2: aware that that's white shark habitat and this is the
Speaker 2: peak time of year for activities.
Speaker 1: So this is so obviously you need to be concerned
Speaker 1: about it. But this is not a new development that
Speaker 1: it sounds to me like this is just part of
Speaker 1: the ocean seasons as it goes from the coldest waters
Speaker 1: in the spring through maybe the best waters. Many people
Speaker 1: say the best time to swim in the ocean off
Speaker 1: of Cape Cod is in September or October in terms
Speaker 1: of if you want warmer water.
Speaker 2: Right, that's spot on. Even though the water the air
Speaker 2: temperatures are dropping in the fall, it's actually when we
Speaker 2: have the warmer water. So a lot of people do
Speaker 2: go to the beach still through September, but they just
Speaker 2: don't realize that they're also swimming with the sharks who
Speaker 2: also like that water. But it in the case of
Speaker 2: us sightings in the past week up off the north shore,
Speaker 2: it is a spike in activity. We do have sharks,
Speaker 2: like I said, every year up there, especially this time
Speaker 2: of year, but we haven't seen the numbers like we
Speaker 2: have in the past couple of weeks. And we also
Speaker 2: know which doesn't get as much coverage. But there's been
Speaker 2: a lot of blue fin tuna up there, there's been
Speaker 2: a lot of whale sightings. There's been other sharks as well,
Speaker 2: like ploor biago sharks and macro shocks, so that's an
Speaker 2: indication that there's a lot of productivity going on in
Speaker 2: that area. The water conditions are right, the food is there,
Speaker 2: so the sharks are there.
Speaker 1: So oftentimes when there's anything that like this, some folks
Speaker 1: will say, well, it must be climate change. This is
Speaker 1: not something that is a negative thing necessarily. When you
Speaker 1: say productivity, I think what you're saying is that the
Speaker 1: sharks are having more time and spending time with one
Speaker 1: another and nature happens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's definitely as much as some people may
Speaker 2: be scared about it, you don't have to be scared,
Speaker 2: you just need to be aware. But it's a good thing.
Speaker 2: It's a sign that, you know, we have good water,
Speaker 2: we have a lot of food prey items for the
Speaker 2: sharks and other fish, and there's any fishermen can tell you. You know,
Speaker 2: every year fishermen try to find the best fishing spot
Speaker 2: and every year it changes depending on how the conditions
Speaker 2: set up. A couple of years ago off of Plymouth
Speaker 2: was you know, great, same thing going on, a great
Speaker 2: water tempters, a lot of bait fish, a lot of productivity.
Speaker 2: We saw a lot of tuna, whales and sharks. So
Speaker 2: it's you know, it happens every year. You know, the
Speaker 2: conditions set up in different places, and I think that's
Speaker 2: what we're seeing this year up off the north shore
Speaker 2: is the sharks are there every year, but this year
Speaker 2: the conditions are just really good for them to be
Speaker 2: an abundance up there right now.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I got a couple of other questions. One
Speaker 1: and if you and I had been living here one
Speaker 1: hundred years ago or two hundred years ago, and we
Speaker 1: had all of the tracking capacity that you and other
Speaker 1: professionals in the New England Aquarium have, would have this
Speaker 1: been pretty much considered. You know, this is what has
Speaker 1: been going on for a long time. This is not
Speaker 1: something that has just popped up in the last couple
Speaker 1: of years. That's that's the sense I'm getting from you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we know because white sharks have been protected since
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety seven, and also they're their food has been
Speaker 2: protected the seals since nineteen seventy two, that we are
Speaker 2: seeing in increase in numbers. But if you go back
Speaker 2: through history, and the best example I can give you
Speaker 2: is Henry David Threaux and his book Tape Cod He
Speaker 2: writes about white sharks off of Wellfleet, So we know
Speaker 2: they were there, you know, and even further back. If
Speaker 2: you go into Native American more archaeological digs, yeah, you
Speaker 2: can find white shark teeth. So you know they were
Speaker 2: always here and now we're seeing a resurgence thanks to
Speaker 2: the protections that they've been afforded. But they've always been
Speaker 2: they've been here before us.
Speaker 1: Excellent, That's that's great news. My last question is when
Speaker 1: the weather really turns in November. Well, the sharks that
Speaker 1: we're seeing off either the north or the cape, how
Speaker 1: far back seal did they drift for the winter.
Speaker 2: Well, they go further than even we thought. So one
Speaker 2: of the shocks, we have a shock if you go
Speaker 2: on the Shocktivity app and your kids can probably tell
Speaker 2: you all about her. We have a shock named Wee
Speaker 2: Beth that was tagged by Captain Chip, Mike Love and
Speaker 2: Megan Linton from the Atlantic White Shark Conservancy off of
Speaker 2: South Carolina. Over the winter. That shock went all the
Speaker 2: way to Mexico, came back along the Gulf Coast, made
Speaker 2: a tour of the Eastern seaboard, and is currently on
Speaker 2: the west side of Prince Edward Island, Canada. So they
Speaker 2: travel pretty far. And I mean, like we've been talking about,
Speaker 2: it's all about you know, comfortable water temperatures. They like
Speaker 2: their preferred water temperatures and the availability of food so well.
Speaker 1: I know that they have a seal buffet down off
Speaker 1: the cape on Montamoy Island because I've been out there
Speaker 1: looked at that. That is if you love seal, you know.
Speaker 1: It's like some people go to the salad the buffet
Speaker 1: and they love shrimp and they'll put twenty shrimp on
Speaker 1: their plate. The sharks love seal, and that's where they
Speaker 1: had their seal buffet. John, I really enjoyed this conversation.
Speaker 1: I don't know a lot about it, but you have
Speaker 1: taught me a lot in a brief period of time.
Speaker 1: The New England Aquarium is just great. I hope you
Speaker 1: guys are doing well there, and I hope any family
Speaker 1: that has kids who are young, it is one of
Speaker 1: the best places to bring young kids, particularly as they're
Speaker 1: just coming of age six, seven, eight, nine years old.
Speaker 1: Perfect just to open their eyes to the to the
Speaker 1: rest of the world. John, have a great, great last well,
Speaker 1: I guess the last half weekend of summer.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, all right, thanks Dan, You're very welcome.
Speaker 1: John. Thanks again. We get back right after the news
Speaker 1: we're going to introduce you to a new trend. I
Speaker 1: know you're not going to believe this one, but this
Speaker 1: is true and there's a reason for it. There are
Speaker 1: people out there who eating dirt. Yeah, believe it or
Speaker 1: not eating dirt. My name's Dan Ray. And again, if
Speaker 1: you missed any of our interviews here during the eight
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Speaker 1: missed this, this will be posted by Rob sometime tonight,
Speaker 1: probably after midnight one o'clock or so. So I should
Speaker 1: have told John Chisholm. He also can pull this down
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Speaker 1: can pull it down for the New England Aquarium and
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Speaker 1: Believe it or not, It's Night with.
Speaker 6: Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 1: This is a story that some of you might not believe,
Speaker 1: but that's okay. It's a new health trend that is
Speaker 1: going on right now. Eating dirt.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Remember when your mother used to say to you,
Speaker 1: I'll go out and play in the yard and get
Speaker 1: your hands a little dirty or whatever, and it's okay,
Speaker 1: good for you. You build up some immunity to germs. I
Speaker 1: guess with us is Adrian Hernandez. Adrian Hernande is a
Speaker 1: registered dietitian and nutritionist. Adrian, Welcome to Night Side. How
Speaker 1: are you.
Speaker 6: I'm great? How are you Dan?
Speaker 1: I'm doing fine. You know, I'm surprised by this, but
Speaker 1: I'm not stunned. But when I think about it for
Speaker 1: a second, I think to myself, no, you are. You're surprised,
Speaker 1: and you're stunned. What's going on here? I mean, this
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like something that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: It's like carrying something a little bit overboard. But I
Speaker 1: guess young people are doing this TikTok users. Are they
Speaker 1: doing this as a is a challenge or are they
Speaker 1: doing it to improve their health? What's going on?
Speaker 6: So I think it's actually been happening for quite some time.
Speaker 6: I think TikTok has just started to trend with it,
Speaker 6: probably because one person shared when I was looking at
Speaker 6: TikTokers that were posting about it, they were actually older individuals,
Speaker 6: not just young individuals, and they were talking about it.
Speaker 6: And so eating dirt is actually known as geology, and
Speaker 6: it's been practiced for thousands of years across many cultures
Speaker 6: in Asia, Africa, and Americas. So they've used it traditionally
Speaker 6: for spiritual, cultural or medicinal practice. But nowadays we don't
Speaker 6: have the same kind of of dirt or the same
Speaker 6: kind of environment. Right, So to your point that you know,
Speaker 6: our parents used to tell us a little dirt never hurt.
Speaker 6: Exposure to environmental bacteria, especially during like the first thousand
Speaker 6: days of life, can definitely be beneficial for developing a
Speaker 6: robust immune system. But that's not a green light to
Speaker 6: start eating dirt. It's about balanced exposure to a variety
Speaker 6: of bacteria in or environment.
Speaker 1: But by note, I mentioned you when your mother said,
Speaker 1: or what someone to say to you, it's okay, you
Speaker 1: said it. The first thousand days. That's the first three
Speaker 1: years of life. So you're saying time they are born
Speaker 1: until three they're out in the backyard, they're making mud
Speaker 1: pies or something like that, you know, playing in just
Speaker 1: exploring exactly true, does that help them build the immunity?
Speaker 5: In fact, it does.
Speaker 6: So you look at research that looks at children with
Speaker 6: a lot of allergies. Number one, it comes from you know,
Speaker 6: genetics can definitely play a role, but also the environment
Speaker 6: in which they grow up in. You know, where they
Speaker 6: are on significant amount of antibiotics, where they premature baby
Speaker 6: with complications, did they live in a really sterile environment
Speaker 6: where they didn't have the opportunity to really allow their
Speaker 6: bodies to become resilient.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, for example, as you were telling me that
Speaker 1: I was thinking to myself, if some kid grew up
Speaker 1: on a farm in Kansas and another kid the same health,
Speaker 1: you know, they both relatively healthy or healthy kids, and
Speaker 1: the other kid grew up on the west side of
Speaker 1: the East Side of Manhattan and lived in a you know,
Speaker 1: with his family in a condominium on the thirty fourth
Speaker 1: flour it very really actually his feet hardly ever touched
Speaker 1: the ground in the first three years. That's a whole
Speaker 1: different experience. So what you're telling me, I think what
Speaker 1: I'm hearing you say, and if I'm wrong, is that
Speaker 1: the three year old who grows up on the farm
Speaker 1: in Kansas probably is going to have a better immunity
Speaker 1: system at the age of three than the little kid
Speaker 1: who grew up living in the condominium in Manhattan. Am
Speaker 1: I following you?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 6: Not necessarily, because bacteria lives all over in our environment.
Speaker 6: And if there's anything we learned from COVID, you know,
Speaker 6: you touch your face, how many times a day you
Speaker 6: have germs all over your hands? Right, So it's one
Speaker 6: thing if you live in a really, really sterile environment
Speaker 6: where maybe your parents are constantly keeping things clean or
Speaker 6: constantly washing your hands, and you're not allowed to call
Speaker 6: on the floor and you.
Speaker 1: Know your okay, So let's come back to who's eating
Speaker 1: dirt and what type of dirt are they eating? This
Speaker 1: is going to get commercialized. I gotta I gotta believe
Speaker 1: it that they're not people to go out in the
Speaker 1: backyard and you know, take your take a tea spoone
Speaker 1: and go out and have a couple of spoonfuls of
Speaker 1: dirt on top of your chocolate ice cream.
Speaker 6: I assume exactly. I I really believe that the individuals
Speaker 6: that are craving dirt actually may have micronutrient deficiencies. There's
Speaker 6: actually a condition called pika p i c a where
Speaker 6: people crave non food items like dirt, clay, or even
Speaker 6: paint chips, and it's actually related to micronutrient deficiencies like iron, zinc,
Speaker 6: and calcium, which are found in soil.
Speaker 1: Paint chips. People want to eat paint chips. What do
Speaker 1: they have a lead deficiency?
Speaker 6: It's quite it's quite wild.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that we always say don't eat you know,
Speaker 1: kids eat paint. They get there's there's amount of there's
Speaker 1: some lead and paint. So do you think this is
Speaker 1: gonna be will there be finally some Hollywood actor or
Speaker 1: actress who's going to break through. You know, it's one
Speaker 1: thing to be on TikTok, But do you think that
Speaker 1: we're gonna see some I don't know people, magazine, story
Speaker 1: or whatever where someone's gonna say, oh, yeah, I eat
Speaker 1: dirt all the time, you know, four or five times
Speaker 1: a week just to keep me healthy. Do you think
Speaker 1: it's gonna break out like that or is there something
Speaker 1: that's a little fad that's gonna gonna you know, grow
Speaker 1: and then disappear.
Speaker 6: I mean, I honestly hope not. You know, dirt can
Speaker 6: also have a lot of things like animal secs, bacteria
Speaker 6: like E. Coli, parasite, a lot of heavy metals.
Speaker 2: It's nuts.
Speaker 1: So will it be will there be some company or
Speaker 1: is there already some company out there that's packaging dirt
Speaker 1: and saying this is good dirt to eat. As are
Speaker 1: we at that point? I don't know.
Speaker 6: So based on what I was looking at, it looks
Speaker 6: like they're recommending organic biodynamic soil, which is essentially compost,
Speaker 6: so it's commercially sold, but individuals are not using it
Speaker 6: for gardening. I guess they're using it to ingest, so
Speaker 6: I definitely could imagine that there are some vendors probably
Speaker 6: selling dirt, but you really don't know what it actually contains, so,
Speaker 6: you know, so.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to recommend to my listeners to go
Speaker 1: out this weekend and grab a scoop up a couple
Speaker 1: of handfuls of dirt, but there are people who are
Speaker 1: just ingesting dirt. Has the last question, has there been
Speaker 1: any sort of a study done of some sample size
Speaker 1: of individuals who over the last period of time, you
Speaker 1: know whatever. That time would be four years, five years,
Speaker 1: ten years, who have done this on a regular basis
Speaker 1: and they are dramatically healthier than most people of their age.
Speaker 1: Are there any studies that you're aware of it? And
Speaker 1: I know I'm asking your questions that I don't know
Speaker 1: the answer to, which is what I do for a living.
Speaker 1: So if you don't know the answer, you could say, Dan,
Speaker 1: you got me on that one, go ahead.
Speaker 5: No, not not at all.
Speaker 6: Actually, I haven't seen any studies when looking at you know,
Speaker 6: my resources. Eating dirt might be trending, but it's definitely
Speaker 6: not safe or an effective way to address your nutrient needs.
Speaker 6: So talking to your doctor or consulting with a dietitian.
Speaker 6: If you are craving odd things like dirt or clay,
Speaker 6: to really take a look at you know, what is
Speaker 6: the reason why.
Speaker 1: Well, Adrian, that's the best answer that anyone could give,
Speaker 1: and I thank you for that answer. For me, the
Speaker 1: only thing I crave is dark chocolate and on weekends
Speaker 1: course lights and I hope that you know in moderation
Speaker 1: those those both work. I thank you so much of
Speaker 1: your time. I've really enjoyed talking with you. As Rock
Speaker 1: told you, you could pull this down on your website.
Speaker 1: How can folks get in touch with you or how
Speaker 1: can folks learn more about your work?
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I see patients on the East Coast. I'm
Speaker 6: based in Washington, d C. I'm an insurance base practice
Speaker 6: and I focus on complex GI conditions and autoimmune disease.
Speaker 6: They can go to my website at ah nutrition dot
Speaker 6: com to schedule an appointment or get in touch with me.
Speaker 1: Sounds great, Adrian, I really enjoyed talking it. I learned
Speaker 1: a lot from this conversation. I thank you very much
Speaker 1: for your time.
Speaker 6: Thanks so much, have a good weekend.
Speaker 1: Welcome we come back. Everyone up in our neck of
Speaker 1: the woods here knows about the tops Field Fair has
Speaker 1: been around for a while. We're going to talk with
Speaker 1: James O'Brien. He's the general manager of the tops Fields Fair.
Speaker 1: There's some ticket scams going on and we want to
Speaker 1: alert you to the feared. I don't think opens. I
Speaker 1: think it runs from October fourth until October fourteenth this year.
Speaker 1: This is one you want to pay attention to, particularly
Speaker 1: if you've got to be going up to the fair.
Speaker 1: I want to make sure you buy your tickets to
Speaker 1: get in and that those tickets do get you in.
Speaker 1: So we'll be talking with James O'Brien of the top
Speaker 1: Feel Fair. Right after this break quick break on Nightside.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: Nightside Studios, i' WBZ News Radio. All right back here
Speaker 1: for our last eight pm interview for this week. We're
Speaker 1: going to talk with James O'Brien. He is the general
Speaker 1: manager of the tops Field Fair. Now everybody in New
Speaker 1: England knows about the tops Field Fair. Jim O'Brien, welcome
Speaker 1: to Nightside.
Speaker 2: How are you hey?
Speaker 4: Very good? Thank you, Dan, glad to be on.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm delighted to have you on. My producer told
Speaker 1: me today that you're a regular listener, which makes you
Speaker 1: my favorite guest of the night at this point.
Speaker 4: Hey, every night we try to watch. When I'm in
Speaker 4: the cod traveling from work, I always listen to you,
Speaker 4: so thank you. It's always interesting.
Speaker 1: So, first of all, the tops Field Fair has been
Speaker 1: going on here in New England. How many years?
Speaker 5: Two and six?
Speaker 4: Okay, I'll ask you, the oldest fear in America to
Speaker 4: continually run.
Speaker 1: Okay, So it has some staying power. That's a good thing.
Speaker 1: And this year is going to run from October fourth
Speaker 1: to October warteen, okay, So it's eleven days of just
Speaker 1: great family fun and as wonderful as it is, everybody
Speaker 1: knows about, everybody knows where it is. It is a great,
Speaker 1: great event that everyone looks for you. This is like
Speaker 1: the perfect time of the year, great weather, we hope,
Speaker 1: and all of that. But you got a little bit
Speaker 1: of a ticket scam going on up there, and you're
Speaker 1: coming on tonight to make kind of a public service
Speaker 1: announcement to make sure that none of the folks who
Speaker 1: are coming your way and going to buy tickets at
Speaker 1: the top Fee Fair are going to get scammed. Tell
Speaker 1: us about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So Wednesday night we got a phone call from
Speaker 4: a patron that was asking us about an expensive ticket
Speaker 4: to come to the fair, and we said, that's absolutely
Speaker 4: not right. The only ticket that people should be buying
Speaker 4: is on topsofear dot org. What happened was is we
Speaker 4: have shows, we have three Dog Night, we have thirty
Speaker 4: eight Special, we have Bandy and Tay, we have Rodeo.
Speaker 4: Well it's all with your admission. They were trying to
Speaker 4: actually sell those as separate tickets on an illegal website.
Speaker 4: When you come to the top so Fear and you
Speaker 4: buy an entry ticket, which right now are on sale
Speaker 4: for fifteen dollars, is a prefare. It's twenty dollars once
Speaker 4: we open. But those concerts and other places around New England,
Speaker 4: you'd pay fifty sixty dollars to go to those concerts.
Speaker 4: So I guess that's how they got the idea that
Speaker 4: these shows were worth that kind of money. But absolutely
Speaker 4: nobody should be paying that kind of money for tickets.
Speaker 4: It's not right, it's fraudulent and we absolutely do not
Speaker 4: want people to lose their money. As you mentioned, Top
Speaker 4: of Fiels been around a long time and we're very
Speaker 4: proud of the fact that we can put it on
Speaker 4: a quality family entertainment for not a whole lot of money.
Speaker 1: Oh that sounds like the best ticket in town for sure.
Speaker 1: So how do you get You get some pretty good
Speaker 1: musicians here. What do you have a little bit? You
Speaker 1: must have a pretty good sized stage. I assume tell
Speaker 1: us about tell about just about the music, and then
Speaker 1: we'll get into some of the other attractions.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so our music. We have a grandstand area. Again,
Speaker 4: there's no additional chots to come to any of our
Speaker 4: grandstand shows. The first weekend we have the Dog Dogs,
Speaker 4: which doesn't sound like much, but I'll tell you it's
Speaker 4: a really fun event where people bring in their own
Speaker 4: dogs and they jump into a pool and they chase
Speaker 4: some It's really exciting and fun. I myself saw it
Speaker 4: at Different Fears, and I wasn't too overly impressed, be
Speaker 4: honest with you. But after seeing it and the kids
Speaker 4: and everybody having fun with it, it's just a great
Speaker 4: and that's a great grandstand thing. But for us, on
Speaker 4: Wednesday night we have three Dog Night, Three Dog Night.
Speaker 4: If you go online, yeah, they're selling tickets for all
Speaker 4: kinds of money. You don't have to pay that kind
Speaker 4: of money. You come to Top Field Fear for your
Speaker 4: admission fee.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 4: You go see our shows. All of our shows are
Speaker 4: on rounds, which we're running five stages NonStop all day long.
Speaker 4: Are free with admission. There is no additional charges to
Speaker 4: come to Fear. If you want to buy something, you
Speaker 4: want to buy that exotic food. Do you want to
Speaker 4: buy something like that, that's different, or if you want
Speaker 4: to ride the rides, that's different. But your admission, all
Speaker 4: your entertainment is included in your admission.
Speaker 1: To take us behind the scenes a little bit, do
Speaker 1: you guys prepare all year round for the fair or
Speaker 1: do you ramp up sometime in you know, July and
Speaker 1: August and all of that give us just a little
Speaker 1: sense of the preparations that you that you have to show.
Speaker 4: It takes it takes me eighteen months to run one fear.
Speaker 4: It takes us eighteen months to plan it. We have
Speaker 4: to plan that fire out. We have three hundred employees
Speaker 4: while we're open, and we have almost eight hundred volunteers
Speaker 4: that make our Fear work. We have thirty six different departments.
Speaker 4: We have over twenty five entries between animals, crafts, quilts, flowers, chickens,
Speaker 4: guinea pigs, rabbits, almost anything you can think of, goat, sheeps, horses,
Speaker 4: but that generates all you long. It takes all you
Speaker 4: long to plan the Fear, and people have to prepare
Speaker 4: ahead of time. It's not something they whip up in
Speaker 4: two weeks. It's something they've been working on for a
Speaker 4: long time.
Speaker 1: And how long have you been doing this yourself? Is
Speaker 1: this a lifelong career?
Speaker 4: I have to say it probably is. I work thirty
Speaker 4: years for Brooksby Farm and Peebety, which is a lodge
Speaker 4: apple orchid, and then I've been general manager of the
Speaker 4: Fear for eighteen years. So yeah, I've been in agriculture
Speaker 4: all my life. I've been involved with growing and part
Speaker 4: of agriculture. You know, it's a natural thing for me personally,
Speaker 4: Me and my family, we've always been part of agriculture.
Speaker 4: We've always been part of either the growing end or
Speaker 4: this end. Working with all our friends and neighbors that
Speaker 4: come to the fair and take part. I mean, it's
Speaker 4: an exciting time of year for all of us, and
Speaker 4: it's a very exciting time for me personally as I
Speaker 4: get an opportunity to see all these people that come
Speaker 4: to the fair, either as a customer or as a
Speaker 4: patron or a guest, or is somebody that enters something
Speaker 4: every year. So it's really a community event.
Speaker 5: So we draw between I got a question.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's a great event. Okay, has it it's normally
Speaker 1: about ten days? Have you ever thought about running it longer?
Speaker 1: Or does it? Does it lose you know, being as
Speaker 1: special as it is if you ran it, let's say
Speaker 1: for two weeks, as opposed to ten days or three weeks.
Speaker 1: Explain the timing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so the biggie right now is running and they
Speaker 4: run over three weeks. But for us, eleven days is enough.
Speaker 4: I'll be honest with you. Exhausted at the end of
Speaker 4: eleven days, Yeah, you know, and eleven days allows again
Speaker 4: uppers over five hundred thousand people come through our gates
Speaker 4: over that time frame. I'm not so sure if we
Speaker 4: dragged it out, it would just be the same five
Speaker 4: hundred thousand people over more days or.
Speaker 1: A point of diminishing returns. It's almost like, you know,
Speaker 1: Saint Patrick's Day, If if you had Saint Patrick's Day
Speaker 1: ten days a year, it wouldn't be special on March
Speaker 1: on March seventeenth.
Speaker 4: Right, And I mean one of the things too, is
Speaker 4: that's really primary to us to hear at the Fear
Speaker 4: is that we make sure that if you show up
Speaker 4: on the first day, the first hour, and you show
Speaker 4: up on the last day, on the last hour, that
Speaker 4: the Fear looks exactly the same, that it's clean, sanitary,
Speaker 4: and all our displays look good. How flowered a pot
Speaker 4: it flips three times during the course of the Fear.
Speaker 4: To make sure that all our plants are healthy and
Speaker 4: look fantastic on day one and on day eleven.
Speaker 1: Oh that sounds great.
Speaker 4: Same thing. You know, we just spend it. We're really
Speaker 4: taking to pride that we want to make sure that
Speaker 4: you don't have to come on the first day to
Speaker 4: see the best display, because if you come on the
Speaker 4: last day, I'm going to make sure that display is perfect.
Speaker 1: You sound like somebody. You sound like somebody who throws
Speaker 1: your heart and soul into it. I want to say
Speaker 1: a perfectionist, but some people look at that word, but
Speaker 1: you know it's you're always going to put on a
Speaker 1: good show. Jim O'Brien, thank you so much for the
Speaker 1: hard work. And on behalf of everybody who's going to
Speaker 1: be up there this year. They're looking forward to it.
Speaker 1: I wish you all the best with some great weather,
Speaker 1: that's for sure. Thanks Jim, thank you very much.
Speaker 4: The weather everything, okay, thank you.
Speaker 7: All right, we get back when we talk about a
Speaker 7: dispute at Boston City Hall overflying is IF Israeli flag
Speaker 7: to commemorate the horrific massacre by Hamas on October seventh.
Speaker 1: Believe it or not, that is a controversy at Boston
Speaker 1: City Hall. We will explain to you why. We'll talk
Speaker 1: with City Councilor Ed Flynn and also my great friend
Speaker 1: Jeff Robbins. And this is a This is a very
Speaker 1: interesting story if you're interested in the issue of Israel
Speaker 1: and American support for that set upon country. Back after
Speaker 1: this on Nightside,