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Speaker 1: And we are back with another edition of the Federalist

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Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittles, senior Elections correspondent at the Federalist,

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Our guest today is Ryan Morrow, investigative researcher for Capital

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Research Center. He joins us to talk about his new report,

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Marching toward Violence the domestic anti Israeli protest movement. Ryan,

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thank you so much for joining us today on the

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Federalist Radio Hour.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: I am particularly thankful grateful that you're able to join us,

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because you, as we speak, are talking to me from Florida,

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where of course Milton hit Land just overnight and I

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just wanted to check in see how you and your family,

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of course are doing at this juncture.

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Speaker 2: Oh, perfectly fine.

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Speaker 3: It's like nothing's going on. I live in the southeast,

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so just barely missed it. And it looks nice out so.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's good. We're keeping our fingers crossing, and of

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course we're saying prayers for the folks down there after Helene,

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just as awful as that was, and the potential for Milton.

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Do you find it curious at all that this hurricane

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is named after the author of Paradise Lost and Paradise Found.

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Speaker 2: Didn't even cross my mind.

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Speaker 1: M Well, that's why they pay me the big bucks,

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my friend. Yeah, we have marked a moment in history

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and anniversary, an awful anniversary this month, October seventh. It

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was October seventh, twenty twenty three, when we saw the

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worst attack, the worst representation of anti Semitism obviously and

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genocide since World War II, when Israel and its citizens

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were attacked, more than fourteen hundred people altogether, brutally attacked, murdered,

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many raped, and terrorized. That situation still stays with us

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a year later in very, very profound ways. But what

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do we have in the United States and elsewhere, But

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here in this country we have a massive protest movement,

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not in support of Israel the terrorized, but in support

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of Hamas the terrorist. We're in a strange place in

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this country, in this world right now. So many nearly

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a century after World War Two and the genocide of

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the Jews. How did we get here? According to what

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you have found in your research, Ryan.

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Speaker 2: Well, a lot of this is manufactured.

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Speaker 3: What you're seeing in terms of the protests across the

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country and the pro terrorist sentiment that's been building for

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a long time. There's been extremist networks of various anti

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Semitic ideologies within the United States building beneath the surface.

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But what was really significant about this, aside from the size,

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is the fact that you're seeing these groups that previously

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had some ties in regards to like riots, anti police activity,

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that had like ties and would kind of help each other,

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that have now coalesced so that they're a single network.

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Speaker 2: So you'll have.

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Speaker 3: Like far left Marxist anarchist types working with Islamist extremists

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in a way that instead of resembling just people that

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agree with each other and so they work together, it's

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more operational, like Hamas and the Popular Front for the

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Liberation of Palestine in Gaza, where for all intents and purposes,

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it's like one organization. They have a joint command center

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and everything's integrated and overlapping, and that's how it is

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in the United States, and so we did this study

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of as many protests we can find, as many groups

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as we could find. Pretty sure, it's the biggest of

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the biggest study of the anti Israel protests movement.

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Speaker 2: Ever done, certainly since October seventh.

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Speaker 3: And what we found was that over one hundred and

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fifty groups that are explicitly pro or tied to terrorist

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groups in a very substant of way are driving these protests.

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So while we would like to comfort ourselves by saying

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the bad guys in these protests get all the attention,

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but they don't represent the majority of the groups involved.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, the opposite is true.

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Speaker 3: The vast majority involved are extremes of the worst kind.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that we keep hearing from the

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usual suspects in the accomplice media, corporate media, and of

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course from the current regime in the White House is that,

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you know, this is just a small fraction what we're

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talking about in terms of the hatred for Israel in

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this country and elsewhere. They also talk about, you know,

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the sort of mentality that is replete throughout Hamas and

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Gaza and their beliefs and thoughts. But that's really not

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the case, is it. I mean, this is endemic, This

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is indoctrinated, and it's not just of course in Israel

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and Gaza in the Middle East. It is now as

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you report on our college campus. It's infused into our

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: It's not just a couple of crazy groups.

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Speaker 3: It's not just some students who want to act out

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Speaker 2: This is an infrastructure.

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Speaker 3: It's a big infrastructure that's really kind of terrifying to

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the point where it's almost like a political party of

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its own, because they unify every conceivable social justice cause

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Speaker 2: They'll bring in.

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Speaker 3: Pro abortion groups and say that that's connected to the

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Palestinian struggle because of this reason and that reason. So

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they connect everything, and so it really is kind of

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like a seditious political party that has formed. And there's overlaps.

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and the Islamist extremists, that even overlaps with the far right,

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extreme anti government, white nationalist types. So in my mind,

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the far left far right division in terms of national

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security and extremist politics doesn't really exist. This is kind

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of all one thing. It's just that the white nationalists

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organize themselves a little bit separately, and the Islamists and

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the anarchists and Marxists are organizing together. So it's kind

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of like two factions of the same problem. And if

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of what they think about Hamas or the Holocaust or

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Bin Lauded or any of these things, it's really terrifying.

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And you can dismiss it and say, all right, well,

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polls show that somewhere between, you know, like seven to

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ten percent of the country might like Antifa or like

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white nationalism, r Homoser or whatever.

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Speaker 2: But you put the numbers to.

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Speaker 3: That that decides elections, right, And they're aware of that,

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and that's the message that they're pushing it. They don't

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need a majority, they don't even need a big minority.

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They just need to have the power to say to politicians,

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we decide your fate.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly it. It's the political calculus, it's the Machiavellian

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approach to it all. It's the Marxist approach. It's built

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on intersexualities and intersectionalities, i should say, although it could

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be built on intersexualities.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to say that both of those are true.

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Speaker 1: Both of those apply in the modern parlance of the left.

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But you know, one of the things that we keep

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hearing chanted over and over again, and we heard recently

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as the protesters took to the st reads the anti

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semitic And again, don't be confused here, these are anti Semites.

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These aren't just people calling. These aren't freedom fighters. They

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are billed as freedom fighters. But one of their rallying

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chants is from the River to the Sea. And we've

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heard all kinds of as I've looked into this, all

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kinds of nonsense about well, that's just a statement about

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aspirational freedom for the people of Gaza, the Palestinians, so

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to speak, a free Palestine, so to speak. But what

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have you learned in your reporting as it relates to

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that rallying cry what it ultimately means.

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Speaker 3: What it means is that those who are protesting against

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genocide are calling for genocide, because when you say that,

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you're calling for the destruction of Israel. When they say that,

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they are protesting colonial they're advocating for colonialism because Hamas.

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Speaker 2: And those extremist groups are puppets of Iran.

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Speaker 3: That's not a Helsinian government, that's not even an Arab government,

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that's a Persian shite Islamist extremist government. That's colonialization. They

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just they just don't think critically and understand that. But

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one of the conclusions of this study that's available at

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the Capital Research Center website where we list these groups

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so that you can kind of see what's going on,

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how the threat is shaping up, is that they are

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increasingly moving towards violence and destruction that qualifies as making

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them domestic terrorist groups. Not just battling it out with

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the police on college campuses. They're talking about a nationwide

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insurgency to overthrow the government and implement it with whatever vague.

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Speaker 2: Term that they choose. And very often you'll hear this term.

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Speaker 3: Turtle Island, including from the supposedly moderate and mainstream groups

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that want to sound like civil rights activists. They'll say,

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all right, well, we're protesting here in Turtle Island, what

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does that mean? They're they're referring to a myth in

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among Native Americans.

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Speaker 2: That we don't really need to get into but basically.

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Speaker 3: That the Canada, the United States, and Mexico used to

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be Turtle Island, just like Israel used to be Palestine,

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and therefore the United States, just like Israel, has no

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right to exist, is inherently genocidal, oppressive, colonial, and therefore

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should be wiped off the map. So the Israel anti

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Semitic angle gets a lot of attention, and that's good.

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It should be at the forefront, but look behind it.

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How do these people come to those anti Semitic conclusions.

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It's not because they do some policy wonk study of

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all the possibilities and they come to some intellectual conclusion. No,

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they adopt this view that basically America in the West

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is terrible. They personally cannot advance in society, and the

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only ones who can rescue them and bring about the

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change that they feels necessary are either the Islamists or

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the anarchists, or the Marxists, or in some cases the

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white nationalists. And so it's a fundamentally anti American viewpoint.

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they hate America because they hate Israel. It's they hate

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Israel because they hate America the view Israel as a

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limb of America.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they are pro tyranny. Ultimately, at the end of

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the day, it is interesting to see the kind of

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LGBTQ plus plus plus activists involved in groups that, Let's

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face it, if you were in in Gaza, if you

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were in you know, on the streets of the countries

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in Israel, Iraq and elsewhere, your chances of survival being

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in that particular movement, identifying as a member of that community,

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so to speak, your survival rate would be in question.

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toward domestic terrorism. Who are the groups, the main groups

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involved And doesn't this seem like a January sixth kind

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of moment for the Liz Chainings of the world. I mean,

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where are the investigations into these very violent groups, groups

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that have participated in violence on college campuses and elsewhere.

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the accountability against groups that want to take down really

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do indeed want to take down the government?

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Speaker 3: Well, we know from public reporting that there's investigations of

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some people in some groups.

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Speaker 2: Whether they lead to anything, we don't really know.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, most of these people that you hear

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about getting arrested, they usually have the charges dropped. They're

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usually quickly let out, and so it's kind of a

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revolving door that's really very frustrating for those of us

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that care about this issue. But as for the domestic

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terrorism angle, you have groups like Sama Dune, which is

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basically part of the Popular Front from the Liberation of Palestine,

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which is a communist terrorist group that operates as one

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with Hamas and like their leader is officially a part

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of PFLP that group they operate, they're instigating things. There's

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a group that used to be called Palestine Action that's

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now called Unity of Fields, and a lot of these groups.

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What they do is they have social media accounts and

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encrypted channels where they go and they encourage and incite,

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but they provide you with the materials and guidance on

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how to carry out and attack yourself, which is the

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al Qaeda Isis style of doing it. It's just people

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because it's in the context of what they call protests,

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people aren't realizing it's it's quite literally the same thing.

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about advocating for terrorism. So what they'll do is they'll

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put out a guide for protests and then you know

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there'll be criminal elements in there which they never speak against,

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and you'll look at it and you'll be like, I

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disagree with what they're saying, but you know, there's nothing

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alarming in this. But then if you look at the

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URLs they provide where they say, hey, for more information

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anarchist type website where the second you go on there,

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how to resist police, how to engage in what thinks

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the definition of terrorism. So some of these groups are

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trying to be sly and it's working for them because

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they've been doing it since October seventh. Then only until now,

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when our study came out yesterday, has anyone even noticed

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Speaker 1: These groups, these movements do not exist without money and

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lots of money. If you track the dollars, who's funding this?

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How much money are we talking about?

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Speaker 3: It's impossible to tell how much money and individual nonprofit

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spending on specifically a protest activity. I mean, they're cheap,

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so to some extent doesn't matter. Just as long as

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there's money going there, you can do a lot of

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damage with a small amount of money. But where's the

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money coming from? Again, at Capital Research Center, we study

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that there are many, many ways to hide the money.

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There's a lack of transparency, all sorts of ways.

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Speaker 2: But of what we can.

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Speaker 3: Track, we do see that these radical groups, including ones

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that hate the Democratic Party, hate Kamala Harris and tell

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people to not even vote for them, instead vote for

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Jill Stein or stay Home or Cornell West, get money

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from mainstream Democratic Party aligned groups. People over at the

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Open Society Foundation of George and Alexander Soro's fame, the

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Rockefeller Foundation, the Tides, all the big traditionally left wing

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groups that will at the same time fund groups that

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are fighting anti Semitism.

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Speaker 2: But then the other check they're.

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Speaker 3: Writing is going to groups like this, and so I

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don't know if it's at the top level these big

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Democratic aligned organizations. Do I think that they're saying, hey,

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let's fund Hamas supporters. I don't think so, because they

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fund so many organizations, but they certainly don't care enough

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to check if they're doing that, and it's been reported

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in the public realm enough that this should not be happening.

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Speaker 1: This movement and these organizations absolutely absolutely took over institutions

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of higher education in this country. I think Americans, the

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vast majority of Americans were AGAs by what they saw, uh,

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wherever they could see it. A lot of this information.

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by the accomplice media, as you know, fiery but peaceful,

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you know that, that kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: That's one of the conclusions of.

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Speaker 3: The study, By the way, is I read just about

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every single article about these protests from the point that

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they started until now, and I found almost none in

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the mainstream media that when covering these protests accurately pointed out, hey,

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this group supports jumas, which they could have found just

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by going to their social media account and checking right,

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so they would quote, oh, this group that said their

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name sounds like a civil rights group is doing this protest,

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and to the reader that doesn't know anything, they're thinking, oh, respectable,

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honorable people are behind this movement. Maybe they're right, but

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the reader needs to be told despite what the name

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of the organization may indicate now they're talking about blowing

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stuff up, killing people, supporting terrorists, I want to annihilate Jews,

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like that's a relevant point.

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Speaker 1: Yes, those are extremely relevant points. But it's not surprising

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that the usual suspects omit. Many of their sins involve

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the sin of a mission, not necessarily what they're reporting.

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And that was yet another in a long line of

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irresponsible journalism, of the dereliction of duty for journalists. But

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we're used to that by now. I guess, ultimately, what

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I'm curious about what you've seen so far this year.

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Speaker 4: I mean, in the lead up to the end of

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the the semester, the spring semester, the school year, college

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campuses from Columbia to UCLA to the University of Texas,

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you name it, we saw these.

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Speaker 1: Massive protests, and if you were tapped in and really

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looking at some very good reporting on the ground, usually

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not from corporate media, you were seeing some real acts

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of violence. You were seeing multiple reports of Jews on

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campuses being threatened, some being physically attacked. Are we seeing

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the same kinds of things on college campuses so far

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this semester? Some of that has, some of that been

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put to rest, so to speak.

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Speaker 3: It's not getting as much attention, and perhaps they're not

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as large. I don't know if that's actually true, but

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the impressions that they're not as large, but.

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Speaker 2: They're still going on.

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Speaker 3: The content is actually worse than when they began, because

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over time they've grown more radical. Again, that's I show

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how this is happening in the study that we publish

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that the central core, the most radical core we organize

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when we assess this group or this insurgency movement, we

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say that there's basically four layers, and the most extreme layer,

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the central core, are the domestic terrorists.

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Speaker 2: They're pulling the other organizations that.

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Speaker 3: Are less apt to get involved in that type of

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thing because they're worried of the consequences. They're bringing them

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in that direction. So they're as violent as ever. And

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one of the things that they're saying because they understand

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that this issue won't be around forever. Even if the

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fighting were to go on for two years, the news

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focuses on what's new and ew the first three letters,

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and so it's going to get less coverage over time.

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And so what their strategy is, according to their own words,

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is to merge the anti Israel pro terror movement into

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the anti police movement, and to whatever degree possible, into

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every other justice cause. But primarily they want to merge

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the anti police movement with the anti Israel movement so

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that they expand their numbers, operate as one thing and

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they have more longevity instead of popping up and then

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the issue goes away and then popping up. So this

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is developing into an insurgency. And it seems that Americans,

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if it's not a bomb going off or a shooting,

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like somehow it's not terrorism, but it is. I mean,

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if you're picking up a fire extinguisher and you're trying

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to hit a cop with it and you're doing it

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for the Hamas cause, I mean, technically it's an act

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of terrorism. And so there's all sorts of consequences beyond

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just acts of terrorism and how people get killed, how

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many get injured, which I still think the injuries are

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particularly under reported and underappreciated because that's like not a

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headline when a cop gets injured, but the property destruction

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causing insurance rates to go up, making Jewish students, pro

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Israel students feel intimidated on campus. The consequences of hate

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in general, the consequences of anti Americanism in general emploisoning

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our civil society so that we can't effectively operate, which

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is so critical to everything. If we can't all talk

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to each other because everything is so toxic and you

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have this filth everywhere, then it becomes very difficult for

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American operate. So there's a million consequences to having this

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type of extremist ideology spread, aside from the terrorist threat,

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which I mean, I'm not downplaying that, because I think

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we are looking at a new form of the terrorist

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threat that I think the American psyche is not prepared for.

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Speaker 2: Because if this continues, we're going to get to a

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point where.

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Speaker 3: There are consistent small attacks happening again on a consistent

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basis that more resembles guerrilla warfare or an insurgency rather

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than a nine to eleven type thing. And ultimately, what

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do I think is more dangerous the insurgency model actually

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the one they're pursuing.

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Speaker 2: You get your podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Our guest today is Ryan Morrow, investigative researcher for Capital

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Research Center. We're talking about his new report, Marching toward

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Violence the domestic anti Israeli protest movement. You mentioned it before. Ryan,

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You know these groups are bipartisan haters.

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Speaker 2: I think, yeah.

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Speaker 1: They definitely hate Donald Trump, they definitely hate Conservatives and

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Republicans in our political system, but they also hate the

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Joe Bidens of the world, the Kamala harris Is. As

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much as this administration has tried to placate and tried

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to appease these organizations, they're still hatred. But what ultimately

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in this election, what are their motivations? I can't imagine

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they would want to see a Donald Trump administration but

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maybe I'm wrong.

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Speaker 3: There's like two different answers to that. First, it depends

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on which group you ask. But here's basically what their

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strategy is. And you can see this in the Abandon

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Harris movement and the different Islamnis and Marxist and anartist

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groups that are getting behind Jill Stein into a lesser

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degree Cornell less is basically what they're What they're saying

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is is that, yes, the Trump administration to them, would

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be worse than a Kamala how administration.

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Speaker 2: But they want to essentially engage in self harm.

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Speaker 3: They think they can weaponize the damage to their cause

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that they think Trump would cause that the and here's

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how it would work. Their argument is, we need to

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tell the Democratic Party not to take us for granted.

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Don't just assume that we hate Republicans so much that

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we're automatically going to vote for you, so we're willing

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to stay home or vote third party. And if Trump

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wins as a result, they can they believe they can

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then make a winning argument to the Democratic Party, we

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control your fate. You lost a presidential election that was

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just so important to you because you didn't make us happy.

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And then they'll essentially seize the Democratic Party or to

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some case. I mean, you look at the rising anti

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semitism coming from the political right, conservatives as you know,

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with some famous names that we know of that are

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delving into that type of extremism I could use.

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Speaker 2: We see those.

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Speaker 3: Portions of our civil society making the argument to the

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Republican side saying, hey, look that section of the left

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hates the Democratic Party right now. You know, if we

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pull away from Israel and we change a few things,

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maybe we can win them over to our side. So

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that's their political strategies is to tell Democrats we own you,

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and as upon consequence of you not understanding that, well,

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now you've got to deal with Trump and all the

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pain is your fault from not listening to us, and

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then also floating the idea of, hey, we might even

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switch parties in order to encourage empower the horrific elements

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that are anti Semitic.

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Speaker 1: On the other side, interesting, we have seen historic numbers

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of illegal immigrants, non citizens pouring into this country over

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the last three and a half plus years nearly four

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years under the Biden Harris administration. How many of the

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insurrectionists let's call them, because the left certainly likes to

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use that word for the people, for the people who

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assembled at J six. But how many of these insurrectionists

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are being fed by the millions upon millions of foreign

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nationals flowing over the border in recent years.

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Speaker 3: That's hard to answer because how do you quantify that

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and how you detect it because you just see people

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in a crowd and they're not like declaring themselves to

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be illegal immigrants or anything like that. What I can

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tell you is that the more Marxist and anarchists aligned

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pro illegal immigration groups, if you look at their social

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media and you look for a broader worldview, in most cases,

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at some point they'll say that they oppose all colonial borders,

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which means they don't think America should exist. And many

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of them will say they don't believe in borders at all.

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that are advocating illegal immigration and doing everything they can't

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encourage it want to see America not to exist. It's

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not all of them, obviously, but the ones are aligned

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with Hamas that's absolutely what they want to do.

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Speaker 1: You talk about in the report, This isn't just something

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that's happening from Marxist and leftist. Obviously there's a lot

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of that dominating what we're seeing out there. But there

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are some white supremacist, real white supremacist. It's not the

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sort of deep, broad paint brush that we see from

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the left's lexicon about conservatives who disagree with their anti

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American beliefs. But as you know any report, there are

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some white supremacist leaders. Nick Fuentes, for instance, said he

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fail hamas over quote all these tricky Zionist Jews, how

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problematic and what size are we looking at in terms

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of their impact on all of this.

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Speaker 3: Well, I totally sympathize with a concern that when you

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talk about this issue there's going to be hyperpartisans coming

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from the left wing that are going to exploit that

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in order to tar all conservatives.

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Speaker 2: I totally get that sympathetic to it.

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Speaker 3: But I have been involved in counter terrorism issues and

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monitoring this type of thing since I was a teenager

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for a very long time, and I've got to tell you,

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the white nationalist threat is growing. It is getting more

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I don't know if you want to say mainstream support,

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but it's getting closer to it. Their narratives are becoming

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more popular so Nick Twente is like he's considering what

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he's saying is frighteningly popular. Patriot Front, all these different

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other white nationalist type groups.

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Speaker 2: If you look at their acts that.

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Speaker 3: They have online, they have big audiences, and they're quickly

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reproducing and growing, with new groups being formed every single day.

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Speaker 2: And my argument is.

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Speaker 3: Is that the far left, far right terms ideally should

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be discarded because I think it's counterproductive and also so

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inaccurate that in this context they're not even useful because

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you'll see islam As extremists doing things like spreading neo

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Nazi propaganda, and you'll see Nazis spreading all Kainda type

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propaganda and them rooting for each other even though they

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want to kill each other. And you'll see the same

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thing with the anarchist Marxists and the white supremacists adopting

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each other's rhetoric and ideology.

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Speaker 2: And talking points.

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Speaker 3: And so even though they want to fight each other,

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the US, the system as they would call the capitalist system,

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that's the greater threat, and they hate each other, but

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they also root for each other's success because they believe

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an internal conflict, a revolution, multiple insurgencies going at once,

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all that chaos ultimately leads to this utopian society that

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they're attocking for.

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Speaker 2: Whether that's a.

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Speaker 3: Sharia based theocracy, or it's some type of communist paradise

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or an anarchist whatever they think they're going to institute,

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or a white ethno state.

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Speaker 2: The rhetoric is the same, the behavior is largely the.

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Speaker 3: Same, what they want to do is largely the same.

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So to me, this is this is really kind of

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one thing.

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Speaker 2: Even if they.

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Speaker 1: Bicker, it all sounds unpleasant to me. Whether they're whether

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they're bucking for their anarchism, their communism, you know, their

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their radical Islamism, you know, whatever the case may be,

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whatever they're trying to get to, sounds very unpleasant, and

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it's interesting. I guess this raises the question on so

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many different fronts. It certainly raises the question on the

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explosion of anti Semitism in this country, the lack of

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understanding and appreciation of history for what communism, Marxism really was,

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what it really meant in this world. I mean, and

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we're not that far removed from these things really historically speaking.

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But the question I have for you, as you've done

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this research, the old notion those who cannot remember the past,

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are condemned to repeat it. How deep are we into

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that condemnation going on right now? Is there any rescue

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for that?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Certainly.

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Speaker 3: I think perhaps the biggest problem is, I mean obviously

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ignorance on people now understanding where these movements are coming

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from and what they're really about. In fact, that again

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as part of the study, what we found was that

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before the attacks on October seventh were even done, some

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of these groups were already planning protests against Israel's so

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called genocide, and within a few days they're calling for

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a ce's far. So it's so the American public is

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not educated about how bad these groups are.

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Speaker 2: But it's very easy to educate them too.

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Speaker 3: It's just there's a there's a problem of getting that then,

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to take that extra step to go to a site

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like influence watch and just check to see what these

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groups and these leaders are really about and learn and

548
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learn the truth. There aren't There isn't really much of

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an infrastructure that's bringing it to their faces. You know,

550
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like on TikTok you can have a pro him Mahamas

551
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:41,760
pro China message go viral and someone who isn't even

552
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really into the topic will get introduced to it, and

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then they buy into it.

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Speaker 2: There the good guys don't really have anything like that

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going on.

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Speaker 3: And then there's a series of measures, ten different options

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that we talk about in our study that are very,

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very doable that could really cut off these movements at

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the knees and do a lot of damage.

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Speaker 2: So to me, I think that the.

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Speaker 3: Danger from these groups are grossly unappreciated, but our ability

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to beat them back is also underappreciated.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, So I guess you raised this point before you

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talked about it. You know, we've talked about political motivations,

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but I'm curious, so what ultimately happens when somebody wins

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this election. Now this could it could take a while,

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as we saw in twenty twenty, But say President Trump

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wins the election, what happens then with this movement and

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as you've covered it, combined with the Black Lives Matter movement,

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all of these intersections. We talked about what happens if

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Tamala Harris wins this election.

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Speaker 2: I think no.

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Speaker 3: Matter what happens, you're going to see a similar reaction.

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It just depends on which faction is going to carry

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out that reaction.

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Speaker 2: So if Kamala Harris wins.

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Speaker 3: You'll have you know, the white nationalist types. You'll have

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some like real radical people who will say, all right, well,

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this is the end of America, so now it's time

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to fight. It wasn't justified before, but now it is.

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If Trump wins, you'll have a significantly larger and more

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well organized infrastructure seeking to engage.

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Speaker 2: In rioting and that sort of thing.

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Speaker 3: And I think no matter what, either side's faction is

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going to try to delegitimize the result, whether it's the

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leader themselves, whether it's Trump or Kamalas saying, hey, this

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this election was rid. It's unfair, I really won, or

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if it's just these movements that are part are seen

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as part of that political aisle, even though I don't

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think they are. In some way, they're going to try

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to make that argument, whether it's due to foreign interference

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or say the elections were all bought by the evil

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oil companies. Is somehow they're gonna say this is the

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end the American system and the time for revolution is now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, as we've seen it play out over these last

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several years in this country. Okay, it's a great report,

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but I would be remiss if I didn't, and please,

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if you would allow me to go through my investigative

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reporter deep crush here and right now you mentioned influence Watch.

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You guys do great stuff. I wanted to talk a

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little bit more about that because not everybody knows and

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they should know. What your organization operates is a site

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called influence Watch, and you really are a definitive, in

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my estimation, definitive tracker of nonprofits, charitable organizations, and particularly

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those working on these kinds of causes. And they really

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go into detail in terms of the connections, in terms

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of where the money comes from, where it's going, and

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who's involved. If you wouldn't mind, how long have you

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been doing this and give us an overview of what

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you're trying to accomplish.

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Speaker 3: Sure well, influence Watch has been around since I think

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I forgot when they told me I want I want

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to say like twenty sixteen or something like that. I've

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only been with Capital Research Center for a bit over

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a year, but before that I was involved in very

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similar activities but focus solely on counter terrorism, counter extremism.

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That's where my career has been. And long before I

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even knew a Capital Research Center was, I was saying

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that something like influence Watch is absolutely what is needed

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because all the evidences out there against to expose these people,

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it's all there's just not put together in one spot

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and present it in a way that is easy to access,

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easy to understand, infallible in terms of credibil and able

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to reach both sides, and able to be one of

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the first things that shows up when you Google a

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group's name or a person's name, have.

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Speaker 2: To immediately show up.

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Speaker 3: And so over the years I was saying that that's

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just what's got to be done, and it sounds so easy,

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and Capital Research Center did it, and now I'm part

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of the organization and Influence Watches the fulfillment of what

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I and others were saying had to be done. And

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basically it's a Wikipedia kind of style, but much more

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credible website and you just go in there, type in

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the name of whatever organization you're concerned with. There's thousands

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and thousands of organizations and political activist leaders on there,

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and you get all the information that you need about

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what their ideology really is.

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Speaker 2: It's not opinion, it's just it's just straight here's the facts.

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Make up your own mind.

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Speaker 3: Here's a list of them, and it's extremely effective.

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Speaker 1: Gets drawn from their own words too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like fuckers, Yeah, almost all their own words. Just

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like this study. Almost every piece of evidence is their

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own words and their own publication, so they can't really

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deny it.

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Speaker 1: Well, I can tell you as a senior elections correspondent

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for the Federalist, and I know my colleagues who you know,

649
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toil in this business every day where we're tracking the

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people behind you know, the influence. This is an extremely

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helpful tool and I think just to the general public,

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just go to the site and peruse it. Look up

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any group you want. They're basically there. There have been

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very few occasions where I couldn't find an organization. You

655
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guys go through you know the grunt work, you know,

656
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the difficult work of digging through tax forms and checking

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websites and all of that sort of thing. So it

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is a great site. It is much appreciated. Final question

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for you on your news study again, Capital Research Centers,

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Ryan Morrow talking to us about his study Marching toward

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violence the domestic anti Israel protest movement. How bad does

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this stuff get? Does it ever get any better?

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Speaker 2: Man? It's hard because we're in such new territory. I

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could see if the backlash.

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Speaker 3: Turns into substantive education and activism, then it wouldn't be

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that hard to push this back. But if I'm looking

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at the trend lines right now, I'm not too optimistic.

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I think you're going what you're going to see happen

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is an increasing move towards chaos and basically an insurgency.

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And you'll have one or two dueling insurgencies. It'll either be, well,

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one thing, or it'll be you know, the white nationalists

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type fighting with Antifa, then the pro homauce types, but

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both of them ganging up together on the police and

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everyone else, and that's going to increase in popularity.

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Speaker 2: I think you're going to see an increasing number of.

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Speaker 3: Influencers political pumping being influenced by these messages, either because

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they're convinced by the sheer volume of output that they

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put out, or because it pays well. It gives them

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an audience and gives them a lot of clicks and engagement,

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so there's an incentive for it.

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Speaker 2: So to me, I think the problem is going to

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get worse.

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Speaker 3: So to me, the question is more at what point

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does something happen that this becomes the national conversation of

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how the heck did we get here?

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Speaker 2: And how do we push it back? And at that

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point is it too late?

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Speaker 1: Alarming all around, But I think your report caps into

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a lot of how did we get here? And I

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think if you read it, it suggests where we appear

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to be going, but a lot is still open for experience,

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open to time. Thanks to my guest today, Ryan Marrow,

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investigative researcher for Capital Research Center, and his new report

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on this extremely important area, extremely alarming area. The report

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is titled Marching toward Violence the Domestic anti Israeli protest Movement.

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You've been listening to another edition of The Federalist Radio Hour.

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I'm Matt Kittle, senior correspondent at the Federalist. We'll be

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back soon with more. Until then, stay lovers of freedom

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and anxious for the fray