Speaker 1: It's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and carn
Speaker 1: S e O and JP Sorrow.
Speaker 2: He's a lapsed fan and all my years and wrestling.
Speaker 3: I never seen anything.
Speaker 2: And it's the laps fan name by the one in
Speaker 2: the ring. Forget about Slado.
Speaker 3: He the real king of swing.
Speaker 4: When the bell.
Speaker 2: Goes in and the kick like me throwing in the corner.
Speaker 2: But it's lash like stick.
Speaker 4: Even Jerry King can sake off the crowd nodded in.
Speaker 5: His head like it.
Speaker 4: Steve low Brown, would you get low down?
Speaker 3: Go even high up? Flipp you on your head?
Speaker 6: But you know cool driver, you speak more now and
Speaker 6: dragon spits fire give you more shock than when head
Speaker 6: treats higher drop a more truth than the con of
Speaker 6: sniper unless you would a coconut.
Speaker 3: Roddy Piper, Jack a JP.
Speaker 6: He like j Y d drop the cupcakes and gold
Speaker 6: the brain Bob means the best podcast Frost start the
Speaker 6: close cloud if you all be It's a classic.
Speaker 7: And posed So it's on once again to World Championship
Speaker 7: Wrestling for Sid Vicious Boss.
Speaker 3: That's just fucking nuts.
Speaker 7: I mean when you think after stabbing someone nearly to death,
Speaker 7: that would kind of be a closed door.
Speaker 3: Well, especially since he's you know, still isn't is it
Speaker 3: our interstone still in the company.
Speaker 7: Huh yeah, right, Like, how does that happen? Well, not
Speaker 7: only are we going to chart how it happened, we're
Speaker 7: going to chart how the deal was papered.
Speaker 8: Oh I love that.
Speaker 7: Told you last time in our TLF tribute to Sid
Speaker 7: that we got our hot little hands on a copy
Speaker 7: of Sid's WCW contract that brought him back to the
Speaker 7: organization in the spring of nineteen ninety nine. And you're
Speaker 7: goddamn right that we're going to treat it lap style.
Speaker 7: Put it on the table boss for deep examination. It's
Speaker 7: back to the courtroom. It's back to the docket. What
Speaker 7: do you say, Hey, listen, you know it's we all ever.
Speaker 7: Everyone needs a new trial. Okay, we're gonna get back
Speaker 7: to the courtroom. We got to fucking get contracts. We
Speaker 7: need to We need to understand, all right, what is
Speaker 7: what is Sid entitled to?
Speaker 3: Right? Okay? What is he obligated to?
Speaker 7: Finally we get the answer. After all these years and
Speaker 7: ten years of jokes on TLF about Sid not being
Speaker 7: obligated to make his appearances, we get the actual black
Speaker 7: and white on what he's obliging to do.
Speaker 3: Obligations, what are they? What does he have to do?
Speaker 3: What is he not obligated to do? What is the reality?
Speaker 7: Whatever? This part is Sid Tribute Part seven, Obligations Here
Speaker 7: it is. And not only is he welcomed back after
Speaker 7: doing what he did, he's welcomed back to the richest
Speaker 7: contract he'd ever seen in his life.
Speaker 3: That's insane.
Speaker 7: And you heard him in the clipping plate of the
Speaker 7: inclusion of last episode talking about how this was. You know,
Speaker 7: he's sitting across the table from Eric Bischoff, who stylishly
Speaker 7: flew his own plane to meet him, and they're sitting
Speaker 7: there at the cracker barrel and Sid assumed that the
Speaker 7: number Eric put out there was for a cumulative three
Speaker 7: year deal, not annually at one point five million or
Speaker 7: whatever number. Sid said, Well, the reason I didn't bother
Speaker 7: to commit that to memories because we've got the black
Speaker 7: and white in front of us, and suffice to say,
Speaker 7: it's not exactly one point five million year, but you know,
Speaker 7: it's something or other. There's always ways to slice and
Speaker 7: dice it. We'll get to that. But you know, what
Speaker 7: did Sid come to be worth after all these years
Speaker 7: and all these stints and all these flash points that
Speaker 7: we've covered over the weeks here in tribute to Sid,
Speaker 7: who of course we lost this year at an untimely age,
Speaker 7: and who was such a cornerstone part of the Golden
Speaker 7: Hasbro era that put us all on the track to
Speaker 7: not only create this podcast, but you know, probably for
Speaker 7: you to listen to it being such a cornerstone at
Speaker 7: that time period. What did it amount to? Because Sid
Speaker 7: always talked about this contract is the one that really
Speaker 7: set him up, not so much for life, although considering,
Speaker 7: you know, everyone said he lived in fairly modest means
Speaker 7: in Arkansas, it probably did set him up for life. Really,
Speaker 7: there's a lot of money that he could put away.
Speaker 3: He lived body like a was he like a like
Speaker 3: a cee him punk type, just fucking not spending any
Speaker 3: money at all, you know.
Speaker 7: As far as yeah, I mean everyone would say that
Speaker 7: knew him personally, that he always drove very humble vehicles,
Speaker 7: that he just kind of you know, he didn't have
Speaker 7: a big, flashy, fancy house. He didn't have a mansion.
Speaker 7: He he was just as happy, you know, working on
Speaker 7: the farm. Or as his wife told Jim Cornett, as
Speaker 7: we talked about last time, maybe going back to selling
Speaker 7: farm chemicals. Maybe that'd be better for Sid. You know,
Speaker 7: sometimes Sid things he just needs to go back there.
Speaker 7: Just this is a guy who always, whether it be softball,
Speaker 7: that whatever, had.
Speaker 3: His right here. I thought, fucking you know, Jesse Ventura
Speaker 3: was the guy who who kept going back.
Speaker 8: Going back.
Speaker 7: But for some you know, that's the silver lining of
Speaker 7: not living beyond your means is you can just fucking
Speaker 7: parachute out of a job when it pisses you off. Right, Sure,
Speaker 7: sure you don't end up buying so much and getting
Speaker 7: so mortgage that you have to stick around in a
Speaker 7: high paying job. And once they sniff that out of you,
Speaker 7: they're going to exploit you to the hilt. And here's
Speaker 7: Sid is in a position where Jesus Christ, he doesn't
Speaker 7: even have to show up to work to get paid.
Speaker 7: And this is the master of coming up with injuries
Speaker 7: to find a way out.
Speaker 3: You know, Oh, he is the master.
Speaker 7: And now can you imagine you're going to guaranteed check
Speaker 7: in the mail even if he comes up with another injury.
Speaker 7: Not to say the man didn't get legitimately hurt throughout
Speaker 7: the course of his career because he did. He was
Speaker 7: a big man and he took relatively big bumps for
Speaker 7: his size and we all know how it ended, which
Speaker 7: if we do, but it's going to be so great
Speaker 7: to dig in. I mean, WW contracts are always such
Speaker 7: a gold mine, from the Hogan contract at the Bachelor
Speaker 7: of the Beach two thousand episode, not just WCW contracts.
Speaker 7: We talked about the Warriors ninety two contract when we
Speaker 7: did that Saturday nights. Oh yeah, oh absolutely, it's all
Speaker 7: in here, fucking crazy, and we're going to get to
Speaker 7: what the terms of engagement were for Sid's final signature
Speaker 7: and most lucrative run, as he not only came back
Speaker 7: to WW, but captured their world title for the first time.
Speaker 7: And in fact, Boss had a tribute VHS made for him.
Speaker 7: It's called the Millennium Man, and we're going to get
Speaker 7: into it. In fact, we're going to die of the
Speaker 7: Son of a Bitch.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 7: There's a bit of a story, and correct me if
Speaker 7: I'm wrong. It's holiday tied. As far as getting our
Speaker 7: hands on that VHS, it is.
Speaker 3: Absolutely that that was a gift from UH, from our
Speaker 3: good friend over at Mabel Toys.
Speaker 7: So if you don't know the WW Superstar series. This
Speaker 7: is post. Well you know that there's before they redid
Speaker 7: the logo and here you're okay if you don't, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 7: I don't blame you. That's why I feel compelled to
Speaker 7: point this out. There's the pre redoing a logo and
Speaker 7: post that's wway everything that was done after the logo
Speaker 7: was redone. This complete shit and speaks to why the
Speaker 7: company spiraled down Hail so quickly.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's just an awful I mean, it's it's
Speaker 3: a grotesque video in the only the only interesting thing
Speaker 3: is the quote unquote un you know, never before seen footage.
Speaker 7: Which makes you think that you're in for some cool
Speaker 7: like match footage after they went off the air, But
Speaker 7: that's not what it is.
Speaker 3: Or like matches that they didn't ever show before. And
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, I should know better by now.
Speaker 3: Like whenever they say shit like that, it's never that.
Speaker 3: It's always like they need to like honestly, and I
Speaker 3: don't think this would have been a bad thing to
Speaker 3: market it as, but you just say, instead of never
Speaker 3: before seen footage, why don't you just say brand new interviews,
Speaker 3: never before seen?
Speaker 7: Yeah, heart to heart interview that says it, because that's
Speaker 7: what it is.
Speaker 3: Like, it's just interview footage, does nothing new, It's all
Speaker 3: TV footage. But like when you say never before seen footage,
Speaker 3: it makes it seem like and again to me, yes,
Speaker 3: obviously never before seeing footage is gonna sell more tickets
Speaker 3: and more sell more video cassettes. But even saying brand
Speaker 3: new interview footager or some kind of exclusive interview footage
Speaker 3: never before seen is also gonna be I think it's gonna,
Speaker 3: you know, sell videotapes.
Speaker 7: You could say like Sid's most candid interview to date
Speaker 7: or something.
Speaker 3: Right, something like that. But like when you say never
Speaker 3: before seen footage, it even got me excited for a
Speaker 3: split second. I'm like, oh, I wonder what they fucking
Speaker 3: have here, and then oh, yeah, of course it's shit,
Speaker 3: is what it is.
Speaker 7: Because the Superstars series tapes, for those who remember, and
Speaker 7: I don't blame you for not because WW was selling
Speaker 7: the Wayne when they came out with these. It was
Speaker 7: kind of like a half step towards like a shoot
Speaker 7: tape in that right, they wouldn't ask the guy's exclusively
Speaker 7: k FAB questions on these releases, so you would get
Speaker 7: a little bit of like honest answers. I mean, they
Speaker 7: wouldn't shatter k fame or anything. They would they would
Speaker 7: talk about the characters in the angles. But a lot
Speaker 7: of the things Sid says in those interstitials, you know,
Speaker 7: are things he would actually say even if he wasn't working.
Speaker 7: I think about his position in the company, teaming with
Speaker 7: the likes of Randy Savage, which he was linked with
Speaker 7: in the very beginning, Rick Stein or and others, and.
Speaker 3: It's just no fucking clue about it. I mean, I
Speaker 3: will say, for me, it was never before seen. I
Speaker 3: had no fucking clue there was all this shit that
Speaker 3: was going on with him.
Speaker 7: I was gonna say, yeah, what's your sense?
Speaker 3: Were you?
Speaker 7: Because I get a story? But were you aware that
Speaker 7: Sid even came back in ninety nine?
Speaker 8: Yes?
Speaker 3: I did know that Sid was back. I knew that
Speaker 3: he I knew that he uh he was I remember
Speaker 3: him facing off with Goldberg, not even facing off, but
Speaker 3: I knew that he was feuding with Goldberg. I knew,
Speaker 3: and I knew about the Ben Wahth thing in January
Speaker 3: of two thousand. Yeah, that's it. I didn't really know.
Speaker 3: I wasn't following on a regular base. I had no
Speaker 3: fucking idea.
Speaker 7: Those are the newsworthy things that happened, So it makes
Speaker 7: sense that those are the things that would sort of
Speaker 7: bubble up. But there was so much that happened in
Speaker 7: WCW that like everyone forgot about everyone memory hold because
Speaker 7: it was so hard to watch and it was such
Speaker 7: a terrible time for WCW, you know, because Sid was
Speaker 7: always a draw. It's not like everywhere he goes immediately
Speaker 7: begins to go downhill and then spikes as soon.
Speaker 3: As he leaves. I gotta say, I gotta say one
Speaker 3: thing though with this video, that they did a really
Speaker 3: good job. They did a really good job making him
Speaker 3: look like a fucking ruthless killer.
Speaker 7: Yes.
Speaker 3: Now I am curious how that, you know, as someone
Speaker 3: who actually watched the stuff and who actually probably you
Speaker 3: remember the stuff, I imagine that when it's so so
Speaker 3: like uh streamlined, and it's so like razor focused, that
Speaker 3: it does come off great. But I imagine it didn't
Speaker 3: come off great when you were watching week to week.
Speaker 7: Right when you put side to side, you know it's
Speaker 7: pay per view main events. You got to think like
Speaker 7: you had to wait a month to get to these
Speaker 7: these high points, and the TV in between was just
Speaker 7: not just not good. I mean, it's it kind of
Speaker 7: funny because I mean again, he looked he came across
Speaker 7: like a fucking monster.
Speaker 3: Well he did.
Speaker 7: It is in fact, I would say some of the
Speaker 7: more effective booking he's enjoyed in his career, at least
Speaker 7: in the national spotlight that they knew they had a
Speaker 7: conviction that a Sid Goldberg match would be money because
Speaker 7: that was one opponent that Goldberg hadn't taken on, that
Speaker 7: you could credibly put up against, that had some star
Speaker 7: power where people are like, you know what, like this
Speaker 7: could be fun, Like just on paper, thinking of Goldberg
Speaker 7: versus Sid is fun. And the reason that's fun is
Speaker 7: the reason Sid is so fondly remembered because he just
Speaker 7: had that that that essence, that aura, that impression on
Speaker 7: anybody who saw him anywhere near his prime.
Speaker 3: So you know, they had it's a great match to
Speaker 3: It's a great match to book, a great match to sell.
Speaker 3: It's not a great match to watch.
Speaker 7: Did you watch the Goldberg match at aliwen hav It?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no.
Speaker 7: No, Because that's the dis name of this tape is
Speaker 7: it builds up the Goldberg match so much. But they
Speaker 7: put it out before the Goldberg match happened.
Speaker 3: I know it's a very it's so it's a really
Speaker 3: amazing I didn't really gather until until I just started,
Speaker 3: you know, towards the end, I sorted looking up, mainly
Speaker 3: because all right, i'll because it didn't pan out, so
Speaker 3: I don't mind talking about this. So he talked about
Speaker 3: in one of the promos on the video, SID talks
Speaker 3: about being it's a cuts a promo on Ben Wah
Speaker 3: and Ben Wall was part of the revolution whatever faction
Speaker 3: that was, and so I was thinking, holy shit, this
Speaker 3: is it, this is gonna be it. This is where
Speaker 3: you get the revolutionary from. He's gonna say something here
Speaker 3: and say that he's revolutionary. You're fuck you with your
Speaker 3: revolution I'm revolutionary.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: And so I went looking for the actual fucking episode,
Speaker 3: which I thought was an I don't even I went.
Speaker 3: I spent way too much time trying to find that
Speaker 3: fucking promo, thinking that was gonna be the answer. And
Speaker 3: it wasn't, obviously, because you know, you don't get that
Speaker 3: kind of satisfaction. That's when it comes to nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 3: two thousand, twousand and one. Ww. Nor should you get
Speaker 3: that you don't get any satisfaction. No, you don't, you
Speaker 3: don't at all. I know, and so but I you know,
Speaker 3: I spent and that's when I realized. I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 3: when did they I said, this is for the US title?
Speaker 3: When did this happen? Obviously it's not sold out. I
Speaker 3: know that when did this happen? And then it's like
Speaker 3: it happened in September, like how long? And I'm realizing
Speaker 3: that the whole fucking tape comprises ten weeks of time.
Speaker 7: It's like nothing.
Speaker 3: It's like, it's wild how much.
Speaker 7: It curiously captures the essence of this WW run for
Speaker 7: Sid because he the most impactful stuff he did was
Speaker 7: pretty much front loaded. But it's just like totally it's
Speaker 7: a totally arbitrary sampling, Like there could be no reason
Speaker 7: you'd put a tape out with it unless there was
Speaker 7: like a deadline, you had a box to check, right,
Speaker 7: It's not a fully formed story yet, not even closed,
Speaker 7: especially when they built up the Goldberg streak and then
Speaker 7: don't give you.
Speaker 3: The match and then the don't even fucking do it,
Speaker 3: Like I mean, obviously, I imagine this thing fucking came out
Speaker 3: before the year end, you know, and so that's why
Speaker 3: they fucking rushed to get it out.
Speaker 7: Now, did you know you were aware that Goldberg faced
Speaker 7: Sid in WCW. Beck then in nineteen ninety nine, were
Speaker 7: you were aware that they manufactured a fake streak for
Speaker 7: Sid to run? Oh?
Speaker 3: I did not know that, thoughts. That was brand new.
Speaker 3: I actually with Sid playing a complete maniacal asshole heel,
Speaker 3: I thought it was great. Yes, I thought it was great.
Speaker 3: I love this idea. Like, and to me correct me
Speaker 3: if I'm wrong, it didn't seem like it always had
Speaker 3: to do with a victory in the ring. It seemed
Speaker 3: like if he just fucking killed somebody, he counted that
Speaker 3: as a win.
Speaker 7: Yeah, because they only had so much time to get
Speaker 7: to help and havoc.
Speaker 3: That is awesome. Like, actually, I think that is a
Speaker 3: brilliant idea for somebody to like, you know, to claim
Speaker 3: themselves to be on the level of Goldberg and then
Speaker 3: you just say, you know what, I power bomb this
Speaker 3: asshole on some fucking popcorn.
Speaker 7: That's a win, yeah, Laparca. Yeah, Yeah, Well that's funny
Speaker 7: you say that, because I was wondering where you'd come
Speaker 7: down on it at the time. I kind of remember
Speaker 7: it being received as like lazy booking, like more than anything,
Speaker 7: they were sort of you know, putting the carp for
Speaker 7: the horse. They wanted to get to a number so
Speaker 7: that SID could have matched Goldberg Streak, which in its
Speaker 7: own right was fictitious by the end anyway, right, And
Speaker 7: they had Mike Tiney on air who came up with
Speaker 7: the whole idea of the Goldberg streak kind of vouching
Speaker 7: for this SID number and updating us on the SID number.
Speaker 7: And even they still couldn't credibly get SID to that
Speaker 7: win count, even counting every house show they did. So
Speaker 7: they had to, like you say, come up with these
Speaker 7: scenarios where he would lay out six people on a
Speaker 7: nitro and that would be considered six wins, even though
Speaker 7: those weren't matches. Those are just run ins. Those are
Speaker 7: just beatdowns.
Speaker 3: I think, think if it's done, you know, the thing is,
Speaker 3: it's got to be done. I don't know how it
Speaker 3: was done on on television week two week, but you know,
Speaker 3: it came across as being like he's being obnoxed, which
Speaker 3: is funny. Yeah, exactly, like like like he's like exactly
Speaker 3: like he's just like he's a mix of obnoxious psychotic
Speaker 3: and and just doesn't give a shit that you know,
Speaker 3: if I kick you in the balls, that's a win
Speaker 3: for me.
Speaker 7: Right that is, that's pretty funny to walk around kicking
Speaker 7: people in the balls and then adding one to the score.
Speaker 3: Because I kicked you in the balls before you kick
Speaker 3: me in the ball, so I win.
Speaker 7: I mean, by the way, that'll be roun two years,
Speaker 7: they'll pretend to get it from us, but there'll be
Speaker 7: some gimmick where guy walks around and kicks people in the nuts.
Speaker 3: Are two years when they're on Netflix will be fucking
Speaker 3: on there.
Speaker 7: But yeah, I suppose if you spin it that way.
Speaker 7: At the time, it was kind of just like, let's
Speaker 7: run the score up and just, you know, whatever we
Speaker 7: have to do, even if we have to make complete
Speaker 7: illogical sense. But if you put because Sid didn't really
Speaker 7: play it up like he was delusional. He played it
Speaker 7: up like he believed that he was getting these wins
Speaker 7: and that it was like rightful. But I guess, yeah,
Speaker 7: point that that's perfectly fine because it's Sid, And that's
Speaker 7: been the whole theme through this whole thing. It's like Sid,
Speaker 7: Sid can call himself the master and the ruler of
Speaker 7: the world, and people don't laugh at him because you
Speaker 7: kind of believe that, Like, even if he thinks it's bullshit,
Speaker 7: go ahead say something.
Speaker 3: You know you're right exactly.
Speaker 7: And if you think it's winning streak is bullshit, come
Speaker 7: and do something about it. And no one does anything
Speaker 7: about it. So he just keeps adding to the tally
Speaker 7: because he's nuts. And yeah, he believes those are actual wins.
Speaker 7: But that actually works for the Sid character instead of
Speaker 7: it being some guy that totally loses his face because
Speaker 7: he actually believes in the streak that you know, contains
Speaker 7: very few official victories.
Speaker 3: I I just I actually I thought it was. I
Speaker 3: mean again, this is just on the on the VHS tape.
Speaker 3: I don't know how it played, and you're saying it
Speaker 3: didn't play as well. I think I think it just
Speaker 3: it would have looked. So I think it just sounds
Speaker 3: fucking hilarious and kind of badass in a Sid way,
Speaker 3: you know, kind of. Again, I don't think there are
Speaker 3: many people. The only other person you could do that
Speaker 3: is like with a Jericho doing it for absolute comedy,
Speaker 3: right and and but if you do it for for Sid,
Speaker 3: it's like it's kind of you know, it almost makes
Speaker 3: it become a little scary in a way. Yeah, because
Speaker 3: you've got someone who's not willing to to abide by
Speaker 3: the rules, abide by the uh the uh uh, well,
Speaker 3: the conventions of the convention, exact conventions is what I'm
Speaker 3: looking for, the conventions of what a win loss streak
Speaker 3: looks like. And he's just like, no, I'm just gonna
Speaker 3: fucking do what I want. And I mean that also
Speaker 3: plays into lap SID in many ways.
Speaker 7: I don't know, we'll probably also deride it done think
Speaker 7: about it, because Sid was plugged squarely into the Kevin
Speaker 7: Nash roll of like let's let's lay out as many
Speaker 7: Luca doors and Cruiser weights as we can every week.
Speaker 3: Even though that that also laughed, and that made me
Speaker 3: laugh so hard. I'm like, look who they're fucking giving
Speaker 3: to him, as as as food, they're giving him all
Speaker 3: these all these luchadors and all these fucking tiny ass motherfuckers,
Speaker 3: Like who who are who now?
Speaker 9: Have?
Speaker 3: After after working so hard to get you know, over years,
Speaker 3: maybe getting two steps ahead, now they've been thrown seven
Speaker 3: steps back?
Speaker 7: And who has the book?
Speaker 8: Whatever?
Speaker 3: Man? Fucking exactly, I.
Speaker 7: Don't know why I'm the mark just because I don't.
Speaker 3: Think you're gonna have them fucking feet on, you know,
Speaker 3: big fucking guys. So you gotta build that. You know,
Speaker 3: you can't have them throw around big guys otherwise it
Speaker 3: defeats the whole fucking purpose.
Speaker 7: And look, before you come after me on this front,
Speaker 7: let's not forget I lost clean one, two three in
Speaker 7: the middle of Nitro to Raymisterio and Bark the fucking win.
Speaker 3: What do you want? You know, Yeah, I'm just saying, look,
Speaker 3: you know, sometimes you got to feed the guy, the
Speaker 3: big guy, the little guys. You know, you got the
Speaker 3: big shark eating the little fish. It's fucking nature, It's Darwin.
Speaker 7: And that right there is a big part of why
Speaker 7: nineteen ninety nine was so abored of two is Nash
Speaker 7: out the book and it was just it's just not
Speaker 7: gonna work. It's just just he just creatively just basically
Speaker 7: bankrupt in terms of coming up with anything that could
Speaker 7: move the rating or or create a star, you know,
Speaker 7: get you excited about someone new. Impossible. He just couldn't
Speaker 7: do it. And and so ninety nine is and we
Speaker 7: have to countenance the long drawn out process of coming
Speaker 7: to that realization. There's that weird kind of interregnant period
Speaker 7: in the Spring where Bischoff is sort of back as president,
Speaker 7: the white haired Bischoff we see for the first time,
Speaker 7: and he's sailing about trying any number of tricks and gimmicks,
Speaker 7: from kiss to master Pe and the No Limit Soldiers
Speaker 7: to giving away a million dollars on Nitro to the
Speaker 7: whole redesign to He's did like a weird shoot angle
Speaker 7: he did at the Spring Stampede ninety nine with Hogan
Speaker 7: and a knee injury, and so you know, it's just
Speaker 7: not there was nothing there. Everything he tried, all his
Speaker 7: instincts were no longer. I'm gonna going to resonate. And
Speaker 7: Nash gets the book, you know, earlier in ninety nine
Speaker 7: before even Bischoff comes back and just can't you know,
Speaker 7: book his way out of a paper bag, just you know,
Speaker 7: abortive returns. Terrible television. He did the infamous three hour
Speaker 7: Nitro with the first hour was no wrestling whatsoever. It
Speaker 7: was just a series of skits, including the debut with
Speaker 7: Tory Wilson and several black and white vignettes. I don't
Speaker 7: see the problem, I do, I do for sure. It
Speaker 7: was like sounds like good entertainment to me. But hey,
Speaker 7: he's a guy that won't hesitate to ring up sid.
Speaker 7: You know, they had a long history together going all
Speaker 7: the way back to the first WCW run not not
Speaker 7: not to mention headlining in your house is in ninety
Speaker 7: five against each other and all of that. So yees,
Speaker 7: if Nash has got the book and he's going to
Speaker 7: find somebody that he perceives as a money headliner, he's
Speaker 7: he's probably gonna go for a sid for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, talked about it makes sense on.
Speaker 7: The episode where we talked about Sid's ninety five WW front.
Speaker 7: I mean, nash Is said in his podcast that you know,
Speaker 7: Vin said, all right, we'll bring him back, but he's
Speaker 7: your problem, like if it doesn't work out his Nash
Speaker 7: wanted him in to work against him as champion and
Speaker 7: also for the Sean Michael's bodyguard thing. But so here
Speaker 7: comes full circle back again and sid Is is back
Speaker 7: in the sauce. Hopefully not on the sauce because then
Speaker 7: someone else stabbed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's.
Speaker 7: Going to be an interesting ride. Nonetheless, this is of
Speaker 7: course a Randy Savage who was just he's completely out
Speaker 7: of his mind and he is at least eighty pounds
Speaker 7: heavier than he has any right to be.
Speaker 3: Oh, he just he is. He is grotesque. He is unacceptable,
Speaker 3: and he is offensive.
Speaker 7: Did you see Randy back then in this when he
Speaker 7: had gorgeous George and all that?
Speaker 3: Vaguely I remember, I don't know it was this before
Speaker 3: or after he had the red sequin outfit.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that came at the end of this. Yeah, he
Speaker 7: first came back.
Speaker 3: A little bit of that, and I was like, what,
Speaker 3: I don't know, and I stopped watching, right, you know,
Speaker 3: I like, I was like, wait a minute, No, that's
Speaker 3: not okay.
Speaker 7: I don't know what he was thinking.
Speaker 3: And and also, you know what, what I found it
Speaker 3: be kind of, you know, uncomfortable too, is that he's
Speaker 3: he's not completely doing his Randy Savage voice. Oh, it's
Speaker 3: like he's kind of talking a little normal in addition
Speaker 3: to putting on I know, part of the Raindy Savage
Speaker 3: voice is legit, but there's also like obviously a part
Speaker 3: that's put on where it gets you know. But he
Speaker 3: was kind of talking with more of his real voice
Speaker 3: in like those prom and I was like, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: it's very it's not it's not okay.
Speaker 7: It's not okay, ready, Sava. He knows who he needs
Speaker 7: to be to be Randy Savage, right, but he went
Speaker 7: to this whole like other direction with like dressing up
Speaker 7: like he's going clubbing.
Speaker 3: And I don't know what was that all about, Like,
Speaker 3: I mean, was it just a was it a midlife
Speaker 3: crisis or was there.
Speaker 7: Some pretty much? Okay, I think i'd say what I'm
Speaker 7: out to. Yeah, he knew he wanted to come back
Speaker 7: with an edge. He wanted to come back as more
Speaker 7: of a attitude character.
Speaker 3: And you know he was always an attitude character.
Speaker 7: I know, Well, yeah, I agree, but now he want
Speaker 7: you know, he got in gorgeous George and just like
Speaker 7: started dressing up like he's going to the club all
Speaker 7: the time.
Speaker 3: And I guess imagine him like he just he just
Speaker 3: he just needed a funk all the time. That that,
Speaker 3: to me, is is the thing. And you know he's
Speaker 3: all up so he can't get it up. Sometimes breaks
Speaker 3: the funk out in hotels room, hotel.
Speaker 7: Room, exactly exactly. He definitely, yes.
Speaker 3: Right, already here we go, here we go. All right,
Speaker 3: all right, alright, bend over, bendover here We're gonna do
Speaker 3: it again.
Speaker 10: Freaking out.
Speaker 3: All right, we're gonna get it again one more time.
Speaker 3: Here we go. Come on, come on, come on, come on,
Speaker 3: come on, come on, fucking crustal me.
Speaker 7: Sit down, My god, I'm freaking out right now. Well
Speaker 7: you know there's nothing.
Speaker 3: I'm fucking a murda gold, I'm scored of god, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna get hurt as a rock. And you're not even
Speaker 3: going to be able to stand it.
Speaker 7: Get down, well least at least trying to talk himself
Speaker 7: into it. There's no hotter pillow talk than the guy
Speaker 7: going over and over again. Come on, come on, come on,
Speaker 7: I mean, are we I mean, are we trying to
Speaker 7: get it up?
Speaker 3: Are we trying?
Speaker 7: Or are we hoping? Our horse crosses the finish line
Speaker 7: first at the track.
Speaker 3: Come on, let me get you a lorder. Come on,
Speaker 3: come on, come on, come on, come on, be the bunch,
Speaker 3: you men, come on, be the kingdom of the Mednace.
Speaker 7: Come on, Mary says, come on, I get the sense
Speaker 7: it's not working. You have to say come on that
Speaker 7: many times. Come on, It's like I want to try
Speaker 7: something different.
Speaker 3: It was like fucking jasper at this.
Speaker 7: Point, Randy, am I still on payroll?
Speaker 2: What are you doing?
Speaker 3: Who who's talking to me?
Speaker 7: Screams, what are you doing? But he doesn't know who's
Speaker 7: talking to him, but he says, what are you doing?
Speaker 7: Like he knows you, Randy, It's it's Lannie ha.
Speaker 3: Leani Leani Leany Leani? What's fucking leany? What are you
Speaker 3: doing over there?
Speaker 11: Leaning you?
Speaker 3: What do you are? You watch your metory to get hard?
Speaker 3: Is that what you're doing?
Speaker 7: What are you doing over there? Suddenly it's like, oh,
Speaker 7: they're in the same room, like you know what I mean,
Speaker 7: they're not like a house, and it's like they're in
Speaker 7: the same hotel room where he's fucking I didn't even
Speaker 7: realize that, but yeah, I guess I didn't really specify.
Speaker 7: So it's a wild time and it's this vortex of
Speaker 7: savageness that Sid walks into as sort of like a
Speaker 7: bodyguard in the beginning to Savage, that would not be
Speaker 7: a role he would savor very much. It's not like
Speaker 7: he bad mouthed it, but you know, Sid's there to
Speaker 7: be a man on his own right always. Sid wants
Speaker 7: to be able to author the success of his program exclusively.
Speaker 7: He doesn't really dig being a tag team wrestler. But
Speaker 7: it's in the chaos of him and Kevin Nashman world
Speaker 7: champion and passing the belt around that side gets the
Speaker 7: WCW title again. We'll get to that for the first time. Actually,
Speaker 7: if you don't count, which he does for some reason,
Speaker 7: that twenty five seconds at Halloween have like nineteen nine
Speaker 7: Before they realized it was Berry. Wyndham dressed his sting
Speaker 7: that he thought he counts that as a world title win,
Speaker 7: which is brutally hilarious. But this is all a fascinating
Speaker 7: thing for Sid because it's his most lucrative run and
Speaker 7: it's kind of like his worst run. I mean it's
Speaker 7: not it's not objectively bad, but it's just it's most
Speaker 7: forgettable stuff he did. Let's put it that way. It's
Speaker 7: the most forgettable run he had in the national spotlight,
Speaker 7: but it's the one that made him the most money.
Speaker 7: It's really it's really wild, and it's it says a
Speaker 7: lot about w Stuby at the time too, And you know,
Speaker 7: say what you will about who killed wtw They went
Speaker 7: right past ninety nine and Nash's booking and this is
Speaker 7: it is what does it? What doesn't mean? Yeah, this
Speaker 7: is like okay, well they're not gonna be able to
Speaker 7: write the ship, they're digging a further hole, and then
Speaker 7: by late ninety nine when Russo comes in, the goose
Speaker 7: is cooked. That will create a lot of interesting dynamics.
Speaker 3: Instead of the Millennium Man, he should have been called
Speaker 3: the solitary Man.
Speaker 7: The solitary Man. Yeah, yeah, indeed, yep, that's how we
Speaker 7: preferred to be framed and positioned. But yeah, okay, so
Speaker 7: this is good, this is great. You didn't have a
Speaker 7: sense of him, really, and you know, you knew he
Speaker 7: was there, but you didn't watch a.
Speaker 3: Lot of no, not at all. Know, I had no clue.
Speaker 7: It's all gravy for me. There's a personal story in that.
Speaker 7: I remember being in high school when he came back
Speaker 7: and watching that nitro and coming back the next day.
Speaker 7: And there was a buddy of mine in my chemistry class.
Speaker 7: Rest in peace, he's passed away. We used to talk
Speaker 7: all the time about wrestling.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 7: It was a class where we could dick off. It
Speaker 7: wasn't a very serious class at all, So we just
Speaker 7: sit in the back and just compare notes every single
Speaker 7: I think it's every other day, And you know this
Speaker 7: is post WWF. Absolutely running away with the Ball nineteen
Speaker 7: ninety eight being the transformative here was to say nothing
Speaker 7: of the first half of ninety nine, where they started
Speaker 7: doing these ratings that you just you couldn't believe your
Speaker 7: eyes on Monday Night Raw and Nitro was doing dog
Speaker 7: shit ratings, And so we never talk about Nitro really
Speaker 7: that much, but we'd watch it, but it just wouldn't
Speaker 7: be the topic of conversation on Tuesday, right right, It
Speaker 7: just wouldn't be wasn't top of mind. It wasn't the
Speaker 7: most exciting stuff that happened. But Sid Sid's returned to
Speaker 7: Nitro was the last time I remember him bringing up WCW. First,
Speaker 7: It's like, really, did you see Sid? I was like, oh,
Speaker 7: I don't know why I remember this, but I remember
Speaker 7: being really kind of like intrigued. Did WCW actually do
Speaker 7: something here that might get people to look in for
Speaker 7: the first time in what seemed like eight nine, ten months,
Speaker 7: And of course it wasn't. But he had a little
Speaker 7: deal there where he had he had a title match
Speaker 7: on Nitro with Hogan. Hogan was a face, but he
Speaker 7: was still wearing the black and white Hollywood outfit.
Speaker 3: Well I know, it kind of like there there was
Speaker 3: and he had he had two. He ended up having
Speaker 3: two matches with Hogan. Both are on the tape, right, yeah, well,
Speaker 3: I mean it quote both matches, yeah, sure.
Speaker 7: Right, And is there one on there with ones in
Speaker 7: black and white and ones in the red and yellow.
Speaker 3: Brignon, Yeah, we had that. We actually have a Wrestlmania rematch, which, honestly.
Speaker 7: It should be epic that Hogan is wrestling sid for
Speaker 7: the first time.
Speaker 3: It should be. It should be. But I'm just gonna say,
Speaker 3: I mean again, I don't want to get too much
Speaker 3: into it because the tape will speak for itself, but man,
Speaker 3: the finish of the of the one the Red and
Speaker 3: Yellow is it's it's two. It's so uh. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's it's an exact replay of a different show and
Speaker 3: the ending is I mean, it's why we It's why
Speaker 3: we talk about Hogan the way we talk about.
Speaker 7: Hogan, is that right, Yes, It's definitely why we talk
Speaker 7: about ww in nineteen ninety nine, the way we do
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah. I mean it's like, how many times
Speaker 7: could you watch Nitro and watch Hogan and a DQ
Speaker 7: finish and a post match SMAs It's.
Speaker 3: Like, well, which one are you talking about?
Speaker 7: I know exactly because I do remember a little bit of.
Speaker 3: That wasn't the end of the Red and Yellow one.
Speaker 7: I do remember a little bit, a little bit of
Speaker 7: a spark when I realized Hogan and said we're going
Speaker 7: to wrestle again, because I you know, they never wrestled
Speaker 7: after Wrestle Mainy eight and that is an absolute core
Speaker 7: memories we've talked about for years and years. So there
Speaker 7: was that it didn't do. It didn't do the kind
Speaker 7: of rating that indicated they had life to it. But
Speaker 7: those are the last few ratings that seemed like there
Speaker 7: were science of life.
Speaker 3: This does the thing. It's not a rating guy. We're
Speaker 3: imagine if you if you booked Hogan again and books
Speaker 3: it against Hogan and built it for a paid per view.
Speaker 3: I can imagine that absolutely getting a decent by rate.
Speaker 3: But you can't get a rating out of the sid.
Speaker 7: That's how bankrupt they were creatively. They had nothing. I mean,
Speaker 7: they just like the biggest match we can do, Let's
Speaker 7: see if that does the rating, and it didn't, and
Speaker 7: of course you wenter a fucking panic spiral because if
Speaker 7: like the best match we you know, the highest profile
Speaker 7: match we can think to put together right now doesn't
Speaker 7: come anywhere close to touching Ro's rating. And what are
Speaker 7: we doing here? Because we built our entire idea and
Speaker 7: notion of success on being competitive.
Speaker 3: But I mean, Knights, we know that that's not a thing.
Speaker 3: That is that that's not a reality.
Speaker 7: It's not a reality.
Speaker 3: We don't we know it's not a reality anyway, Like
Speaker 3: you just you can't expect one show to mean you're
Speaker 3: in business. You have to build towards it. You have
Speaker 3: to start from scratch.
Speaker 7: Totally, totally, And there was just not the appetite for
Speaker 7: that up and down the Turner structure. It was all
Speaker 7: just let's make up that ground, man, Because you know
Speaker 7: we've talked about it endlessly. We will see it again
Speaker 7: when the Christmas show comes up this year, or all
Speaker 7: those licensed merchandise products when they were hot start coming
Speaker 7: through in nineteen ninety nine. It's like, who the fuck's
Speaker 7: gonna buy this stuff? Noboy's watching WCW anymore.
Speaker 3: I know, I know.
Speaker 7: But you have an organization that started to build itself
Speaker 7: up and come to find out years later, build its
Speaker 7: budgets around assumptions that nineteen ninety eight, when you know,
Speaker 7: revenue run right would continue, licensing run rate would continue
Speaker 7: at that level if not, if not exceed it, it's like, no,
Speaker 7: you actually have to pencil in like forty percent drop
Speaker 7: in revenue and buy rates for pay per views, right,
Speaker 7: And you have to realize that all these you know,
Speaker 7: people tripping over each other to license products in ninety
Speaker 7: eight when they were hot. By the time the products
Speaker 7: are ready to hit the shelves, No the wswree credit card,
Speaker 7: No the Nitro grill.
Speaker 3: No Imagine Fashion fred card.
Speaker 7: Fuck. Their toys sucked so bad.
Speaker 3: Oh, they were awful, although the ninety nine they weren't.
Speaker 3: They weren't great, but they weren't awful. I bought the
Speaker 3: Nash Yeah, like the last I don't know if it
Speaker 3: was nine to nine, two thousand, did you Nash with
Speaker 3: the big sweeping hair but like kind of a weird body,
Speaker 3: but it was really tall, you know, Like they were okay,
Speaker 3: I guess, but they weren't great. They certainly weren't great,
Speaker 3: and they were definitely more realistic than any we figure
Speaker 3: ever was.
Speaker 7: And they lost the THHQ license. So that's a bullet
Speaker 7: in the fucking head. Now their video games are going
Speaker 7: to be complete ass, which is always a huge chip
Speaker 7: in their favor. It's if they had that wonderful game
Speaker 7: for World Tour and for revenge yep, and now it's gone.
Speaker 7: Now it's WWF's even worse. It's not just gone. It's
Speaker 7: WWF games or as good as they ors used to
Speaker 7: be better at a disaster, but it's it's it's World
Speaker 7: Championship Wrestling. And it's the man called SID and we're saluting.
Speaker 3: Him here, the millennium man called Sid.
Speaker 7: Yes, yes, as only we can try to get maybe
Speaker 7: maybe recapture just a little bit of that sense of
Speaker 7: what caused that, uh, that momentary enthusiasm in my high
Speaker 7: school chemistry class that I'm calling here and when I
Speaker 7: think about SID in nineteen. So it's a lot to
Speaker 7: get into. And we do have a several page contract
Speaker 7: here to read into the record, because we need to
Speaker 7: set the terms of engagement. We need to set the
Speaker 7: level of expectations around obligation and around contract and around renunration. Brother,
Speaker 7: And yeah, whose contract didn't like that word, Terry my contract, dude,
Speaker 7: But heay, if we're going to talk about a contract, boss,
Speaker 7: there's kind of like an unspoken contract for ten years
Speaker 7: running between us and the Solar System about what it
Speaker 7: takes to keep this engine running. Is there not? Absolutely is,
Speaker 7: And tell the folks what form that contract takes.
Speaker 3: I believe it would be a Patreon dot com slash
Speaker 3: the lapse van. That's for people who aren't fucking bitches,
Speaker 3: who understand that if you want something and you need something,
Speaker 3: you have to own up to it correct, you have
Speaker 3: to take responsibility for it, correct and do the right thing.
Speaker 3: Otherwise things go away.
Speaker 7: That's right, that's right. You have to produce, you have
Speaker 7: to show, you have to stand up, and you have
Speaker 7: to speak up for what you think is important and
Speaker 7: what you think should be sustained. That's the only way forward, folks.
Speaker 7: That's the only way forward. I mean, it's become very
Speaker 7: clear in the creator economy that listen.
Speaker 3: That's that's always the way. I mean, look, it's it's
Speaker 3: in many ways. You know, it's it's you need. It's like, well,
Speaker 3: we talk about all the time regarding television and television
Speaker 3: shows and how everyone thinks that there's this new plan
Speaker 3: and oh wait when you know we're going to get
Speaker 3: all this great stuff you know, essentially for free, and
Speaker 3: it's like, no, you don't.
Speaker 7: Actually you mean around like streaming service bundles.
Speaker 3: And streaming service bundles, all that kind of shit. Note
Speaker 3: in the end, you've got to pay for it or
Speaker 3: you get to take ads, all right, And that's the
Speaker 3: way it rolls. That's right. Can't handle that, Get out
Speaker 3: of the fucking kitchen.
Speaker 7: And so all we ask is that the hours and
Speaker 7: hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and
Speaker 7: hours and hours that we pour into this show be
Speaker 7: met with a little bit of appreciation Over at patreon
Speaker 7: dot com slash the Lapsed Fan. And if you don't,
Speaker 7: if you don't find that necessary, I regret to inform
Speaker 7: you we don't find you necessary.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 7: You can, you can come along for the ride, but
Speaker 7: we're not gonna worry once we hit a skin in
Speaker 7: the road about keeping you on board. We might just
Speaker 7: let you fall off and and wave to you as
Speaker 7: you tumble down the hill to your demise.
Speaker 1: Give a lap fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that
Speaker 1: knows the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan.
Speaker 1: He's an Lapsed Fan wrestling podcast with Jack and carn
Speaker 1: Seo and Jpsorrow.
Speaker 7: So if you're on the train, make sure you secure
Speaker 7: a seat by pledging to that fucking cast. It's all
Speaker 7: like you don't get anything for it. In fact, you
Speaker 7: get some of our best stuff. This has been a
Speaker 7: banner year. Not only for us on the main feed TLFX,
Speaker 7: this has been a banner year boss for that EP
Speaker 7: and above benefit or one and only under the cinemat.
Speaker 3: Oh, let me tell you we are coming. We are
Speaker 3: rounding third when it comes to Carneizar forever. All right.
Speaker 3: We have been on a crazy, crazy journey since March,
Speaker 3: chronicling nearly every James Bond film as to date, twenty
Speaker 3: two out of the twenty seven recognized although not necessarily
Speaker 3: officially Eon production James Bond films qualify front of the cinema. Okay,
Speaker 3: that was the reason why we said upon this journey
Speaker 3: was that so we could touch every single era of
Speaker 3: James Bond. And we are, we're we're coming close. We
Speaker 3: got two movies left, and you know, we get to
Speaker 3: put that one to bed. And it's I think you don't.
Speaker 3: You're gonna get way more for your dollar if you're
Speaker 3: a film fan, if you're a Bond fan, because it
Speaker 3: covers not only just James Bond, it covers the decline
Speaker 3: of MGM. It covers and This is not by design.
Speaker 3: This was just happenstance. It covers the rise and fall
Speaker 3: of producers, actors, the whole thing. I mean, it's it's
Speaker 3: really the the story had so many threads, more than
Speaker 3: I even thought. I always expect there to be more
Speaker 3: than what I you know, than what I thought was
Speaker 3: going to be there. But this was like I was like,
Speaker 3: holy shit, Like we're actually chronicling the demise of MGM,
Speaker 3: Like we're actually chronicling all of Albert Brockley's fucking career. Yep,
Speaker 3: we're actually you know, all these things. Like it's not
Speaker 3: just you know, you you jump onto these we decided
Speaker 3: to do these journeys, and we think, okay, it's gonna
Speaker 3: be you know, it's gonna be kind of a cut
Speaker 3: and dry thing. And it's like, well wait a minute, no,
Speaker 3: Like there's all these elements that we didn't even consider that,
Speaker 3: I mean, and there's been one through line that that
Speaker 3: finally comes to a head in in our next in
Speaker 3: our next film, and it's like this, it's a thing
Speaker 3: that's been brewing since day one, Since day one, it's
Speaker 3: been brewing, and and it's like all this it's just
Speaker 3: I don't know I I think it's I think you
Speaker 3: get more more than what you pay for in my opinion.
Speaker 7: And take it from me who hasn't seen a single
Speaker 7: Bond film from front to back until we started his journey.
Speaker 7: If you don't think you're into it, you'll be into
Speaker 7: it because the wrestlers that are part of the franchise
Speaker 7: over the years, from Harold soccata as odd Job to
Speaker 7: what Pat Roach, who is just a famed UK grappler
Speaker 7: slash stunt man that's just fascinating to learn about, Peter
Speaker 7: My via the High Chief Tiger, Joe Robinson unbelievable, and
Speaker 7: Milton Read Milton, I mean that's been as always. The
Speaker 7: fun is just is discovering wrestlers who I shouldn't say
Speaker 7: discovering rediscovering wrestlers whose careers have been lost to time. Yes,
Speaker 7: who's been lost to time, and in some cases are
Speaker 7: still hyper relevant like a certain animal. I mean, there's
Speaker 7: we're bookmarking the whole history of wrestling too. In a way,
Speaker 7: we're at least speaking to eras and geographies that we
Speaker 7: otherwise really wouldn't have cause to because there's got a
Speaker 7: ton of footage that exists to put on the table
Speaker 7: for traditional t left treatment. It's not unlike the lamentimal
Speaker 7: tragedy of World Class. We set out to figure out
Speaker 7: what happened to these boys. We ended up telling the
Speaker 7: entire story of Dallas Wrestling. We you know, the whole
Speaker 7: story of the Sportatorium. They had Maclamore days talking about
Speaker 7: Morris Siegel talking about how Fritz built what he you know,
Speaker 7: built the nest egg that he sent the kids off
Speaker 7: into to try to dominate. It's like, oh my god.
Speaker 7: And then like the further tentacles, what about lands von Eric,
Speaker 7: Like we didn't think about that, you know, what about
Speaker 7: what ends up happening to Chris Adams and how that
Speaker 7: kind of bespeaks the whole tragic cloud over the whole thing.
Speaker 7: What about what happens to Gino. It's like all of
Speaker 7: these branches on the tree that you know, you don't
Speaker 7: see it, and you start climbing that trunk, bitch, right,
Speaker 7: So get on the fucking trunk under the cinemat. Carnies
Speaker 7: are forever, and so is that Patreon, and so is
Speaker 7: that Patreon. And folks in the moat tier, which is
Speaker 7: the tip top tier, our ride or dies. Those we
Speaker 7: will make sure to make space on on the island.
Speaker 7: When we're the last people left on the planet.
Speaker 3: Listen, I will, I will, I will be like Hulk
Speaker 3: Hogan and brutis speaking.
Speaker 7: I will pump the blood yes of my veins. Okay,
Speaker 7: because it's folks like this, we love all our patrons.
Speaker 7: But every podcast that's going to have the life the
Speaker 7: life span we do has to have a strong core
Speaker 7: like our moat tier, have to have to have people
Speaker 7: that go above and beyond in terms of expressing support.
Speaker 7: You know, it's no different than public radio. You know,
Speaker 7: everyone you know puts a little bit in the pot,
Speaker 7: but really it's those consistent, big whale supporters that if
Speaker 7: they're not on board, panic sets in right. As far
Speaker 7: as making the making the fundraising rounds every quarter, these
Speaker 7: are your real seed funders. These are the folks that
Speaker 7: really put the cash on the table to make us
Speaker 7: take adventurous risks to say, you know what, fuck everything,
Speaker 7: We're going to keep doing something until we feel like
Speaker 7: it's done. We're going to go as long as we
Speaker 7: have to. We're going to clear out the decks as
Speaker 7: much as we have to be it to serenade sid
Speaker 7: to look at the wrestling influences in the Bond films,
Speaker 7: be it to talk about the life and times of
Speaker 7: Terry Funk. No one else has the luxury of being
Speaker 7: able to grind everything into a halt, put everything on
Speaker 7: order until the job is done. And what makes it
Speaker 7: worth it for everybody and you all know this by now,
Speaker 7: is that sitting in that archive of this podcast, that
Speaker 7: shelf life is unmatched. Unmatched are your wrestling You'll be
Speaker 7: able to go back there and confidently say that if
Speaker 7: I'm interested in this event, in this wrestler, or in
Speaker 7: this subject, this is all I'm reasonably going to need. Yes,
Speaker 7: to capture what they were about, what resonated about them
Speaker 7: or it and the flashpoints, and even beyond that, look
Speaker 7: no further than you know Holt mccallumy, okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh fucking a. I mean he's when he had.
Speaker 7: To become Fritz. What podcast did the fucking trick? Don't
Speaker 7: you ever forget that that shelf life time lapsed then,
Speaker 7: and you're helping to fund our ability to take that
Speaker 7: risk and to not stop until it's done every single time.
Speaker 7: And the Moat tier again are the premium supporters of
Speaker 7: the mission. And not only do they get that that shine.
Speaker 7: As a result, they get wrestle Mamia. Yes they do,
Speaker 7: and my god, getting wrestle Mamia is something worth getting
Speaker 7: it If you're in this for the memories of watching
Speaker 7: wrestling as a kid, of being on the living room
Speaker 7: carpet while your parents offered commentary in the background, this
Speaker 7: is as close as you're going to get to that experience.
Speaker 7: Boss plenty to come from Mama Sora.
Speaker 3: I mean by this point, you know, motors have already
Speaker 3: listened to my mom and I want and I see
Speaker 3: you you as well, you were there for this one.
Speaker 3: I make special appearances.
Speaker 7: I do.
Speaker 3: Yes, Indeed, we all watched Rob Van Dam versus Jerry
Speaker 3: Lynn from Living Dangerously ninety nine, as we did, and
Speaker 3: that's the most recent wrestle Mamia. And you know, and
Speaker 3: coming up right after, you know, next week with when
Speaker 3: they giving and all we do, I like to do
Speaker 3: a a traditional Survivor series matchup for the Thanksgiving week tradition,
Speaker 3: and uh, there'll be a fun, fun, stupid fucking four
Speaker 3: on four match for your enjoyment.
Speaker 7: Starting to see people advocate to bring that back. Get
Speaker 7: sick of the war games, Yeah.
Speaker 3: You should, of course they should. I don't I don't.
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, I'm fine with the war games, but
Speaker 3: I just we've done enough now.
Speaker 7: I don't remember a single fucking thing that happened in
Speaker 7: any of them, nowhere near what I remember in the
Speaker 7: Survivor's series elimination tags.
Speaker 3: Oh, I agree, I sho tell you not to mention
Speaker 3: the the fucking war Games of old.
Speaker 7: There's only so many fucking West Side story face offs
Speaker 7: that I can remember and keep trying.
Speaker 3: I know, I can't stand. I can't stand those staged,
Speaker 3: fucking annoying things that they do.
Speaker 7: There's only so many completely unnecessary loading up the war
Speaker 7: games cage with tables and garbage cans and fucking crunches and.
Speaker 3: Just violence, like just fighting, and guys, like, when did
Speaker 3: that cages enough? Then don't do war games. If you
Speaker 3: have to fill the wargames cage up with all the
Speaker 3: things you'd use to make a regular match stand out,
Speaker 3: then just do that kind of match, you know, fucking
Speaker 3: make a make a Survivors series, you know, notice qualification
Speaker 3: ten man tag or something, because like, don't pretend you're
Speaker 3: doing war games. That's fucking obnoxious by now, you know,
Speaker 3: just remember too, like fucking the uh uh you know
Speaker 3: what was exciting about a war Games match back in
Speaker 3: the day that still excites me when we would watch it.
Speaker 3: We watch it for the art of wargames journey, the
Speaker 3: fucking like sting, just holding onto the ceiling and doing
Speaker 3: a kick to somebody's face like that was exciting.
Speaker 7: We're having to climb the top of the cage because
Speaker 7: there's a fucking roof on it, as there should be,
Speaker 7: right or actually, you know, remembering and caring and popping
Speaker 7: for a rocky steamboat entering the cage or hawk entering
Speaker 7: the cage. Nobody that enters a cage in a w
Speaker 7: W War Games maybe Kevin Owens in the xt one,
Speaker 7: but that doesn't count. I'm talking the ones I remember
Speaker 7: a single run in because they're up on the fucking
Speaker 7: shark cage. They all have their entrance music. Nobody's pulling
Speaker 7: on the door, chomping at the bit. The baby faces
Speaker 7: are never an appropriate peril thumbs down, It's lame. And
Speaker 7: with that said, another reason to make sure your Patreon
Speaker 7: is current and in line is our upcoming series of
Speaker 7: premium live event live calls, which we of course watch
Speaker 7: modern WWE so you don't have to, but indeed, it
Speaker 7: is the Thanksgiving tradition. Survivory series coming up at the
Speaker 7: end of the month will be live up on Patreon
Speaker 7: for you with our match by match call through the laps.
Speaker 3: The post Thanksgiving tradition.
Speaker 7: Now, ye, who knows, it's a tradition that we post.
Speaker 7: That's for sure, that's true. And so the art of
Speaker 7: war games continues in that respect, coming up on Patreon
Speaker 7: for your Patreon dollar. An addition, will have the Saturday
Speaker 7: Nights Made event coming up, which is going to be
Speaker 7: label a pl in December, so that'll be interesting to
Speaker 7: get back into that for your Patreon dollar. And I
Speaker 7: don't know, Boss, I've kicked this around. I haven't run
Speaker 7: it by you yet, but maybe the first run Netflix
Speaker 7: might make some sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that that kind of works in a way.
Speaker 3: I mean from the Into It Dome, the new Into
Speaker 3: It Dome in l A. Excuse me, you know that
Speaker 3: big stated for the Clippers. What are we into?
Speaker 7: Remember WrestleMania when we went to LA they had that
Speaker 7: big Clippers stadium they were building.
Speaker 3: Uh no, that's.
Speaker 7: Coming all right, and travel there is going to be there.
Speaker 3: What are they into? They're into it?
Speaker 7: So maybe yeah, in other words, that's gonna be a
Speaker 7: great landing pad for shows that you know, draw draw
Speaker 7: enough of our attention that we might sprinkle in some
Speaker 7: extra live calls because you know, the fucking Rumble is
Speaker 7: until February. It's so annoying and that fucking obnoxious, it's
Speaker 7: so stupid wrestlming is gonna at the end of April.
Speaker 7: I mean, I don't know why they're still gonna have
Speaker 7: two pay per views in between. Guys, you get that,
Speaker 7: you don't you have that weekend between the fucking finals
Speaker 7: of the playoffs in the NFL and the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: That's when you do Worry Rumble. It's there for that reason.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it's kind of funny too, like maybe.
Speaker 7: Out to check the calendar, maybe that is this weekend
Speaker 7: this year, maybe it falls into February. But I don't care.
Speaker 3: It's gross, you know I and I get and I
Speaker 3: get the idea that, you know, they want to prevent
Speaker 3: the freezing cold of like of what happened in Philadelphia
Speaker 3: last year. But you know what, guys like you're in Vegas,
Speaker 3: the last thing you need to do is have in
Speaker 3: the mid April and late April fucking Vegas, right, I'm
Speaker 3: sure could have done early April, late March, like normal
Speaker 3: fucking people.
Speaker 7: There's some bullshit where like Vegas came to the table
Speaker 7: late and was all booked up on the typical Wrestlmania weekend,
Speaker 7: and so they just took whatever because there's a huge
Speaker 7: fat check waiting for him when.
Speaker 3: They get there.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: That's that's that's the problem right there.
Speaker 7: So so definitely a time to lock into the live
Speaker 7: call is that's going to accelerate through the end of
Speaker 7: the year as well. So many more benefits. You get
Speaker 7: add free version of this pot cast. You get deep
Speaker 7: dives in Part twos, a day earlier than anybody else.
Speaker 7: We try to make that happen for you. It hasn't
Speaker 7: always happened that way, but it's definitely a goal. You
Speaker 7: got the archives ad free, not the entirety of the archive,
Speaker 7: but everything that's been up since we started doing our
Speaker 7: Patreon and just the give and take with the listeners. Man,
Speaker 7: this is the coolest comment section, if you want to
Speaker 7: call it that, that I've ever seen in the wrestling space.
Speaker 7: I agree the ship people say under the audio files
Speaker 7: and the way they go back and forth and the
Speaker 7: insightful things they say they take issue with us sometimes,
Speaker 7: which I don't really support. It's a great kind of
Speaker 7: like way to put to the test if what we're
Speaker 7: doing is up to snuff.
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, absolutely, you know we even have you know,
Speaker 3: on occasion occasion, Fuel obligated to write back. Had a
Speaker 3: nice back and forth with with the Brian Blake over
Speaker 3: nineteen seventies filmmakers after our Exos episode dropped.
Speaker 7: It's been so great about it. Under the cinemat too
Speaker 7: is to bring out the cinephiles in the Solar system
Speaker 7: via the Patreon comments because they're ready, they're ready to
Speaker 7: fill in holes and yep, all that stuff.
Speaker 3: So that's great. I mean, as you knows, as much
Speaker 3: as I try to fill in every last thing that
Speaker 3: I can, you know, there's there is only so much
Speaker 3: Like there's the it's amazing how expansive and don't even
Speaker 3: realize how expansive, like the Hollywood film businesses. It's even
Speaker 3: more than so than I thought, you know, it's there's
Speaker 3: so much information out there.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's like double the amount of information that you
Speaker 7: could access than a wrestling show.
Speaker 3: So that's it's it's sometimes it really is. I mean
Speaker 3: it's like sometimes I'm like, holy shit, because the real
Speaker 3: world is covering it.
Speaker 7: It's right. It justifies actual documentation by the press, right.
Speaker 3: Right, you know, and actually people actually are interested in.
Speaker 7: This, right exactly. Beyond like two or three newsletters, there's
Speaker 7: actually like the real newspapers you can look at.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like the New York Times actually is interested in
Speaker 3: what you know is happening behind the scenes of the Exorcist.
Speaker 7: And you know, sleigh bells are ringing. You can hear
Speaker 7: them in the distance.
Speaker 3: Yes, arched up.
Speaker 7: Rudolph's ready and your co chairmen are ready as we are.
Speaker 7: Every holiday season coming quite soon, it's the third annual unwrapping.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we get to we need to get a fucking
Speaker 3: rink in bass into the cinema and that's what we need.
Speaker 7: You act like it's anyone else's thing but your own.
Speaker 7: Go for it. If it hasn't happened, it's your fault.
Speaker 3: Well, it's not my fault. They just didn't hire a wrestler,
Speaker 3: that's true, or find a wrestling connection.
Speaker 7: So yeah, that's that's the calls right there. Did know that,
Speaker 7: wouldn't Mark Billy de Wolf, that's the he had nothing
Speaker 7: to do with wrestling. I don't know. Did uh a
Speaker 7: guy who goes Rush Rush ever do a Jimmy Duranti,
Speaker 7: did ever do anything wrestling related?
Speaker 3: Yeah, mad, Jimmy Durant. He looks seems like a guy
Speaker 3: who who would have been a wrestling announcer.
Speaker 7: I know exactly there's someone who like we did an
Speaker 7: ad campaign with like Bruno, right or something like that. Right,
Speaker 7: But I get what we're going to deliver. The rapping
Speaker 7: is coming Mountain, Oh man. The halls are decked, the
Speaker 7: ignogus pored, and your coachiers prepared to share with you
Speaker 7: the process of unwrapping gifts from across the Solar System,
Speaker 7: from across the world. It was a it was a battle.
Speaker 7: It was it was Titanic in its epic, noess God,
Speaker 7: and it'll be unloaded on the Solar system before you know.
Speaker 3: Exhausting. It was so exhausting before you know exhausting.
Speaker 7: And look, if you want to share lapsness with the
Speaker 7: lapsed fan in your life, if you want to, uh,
Speaker 7: maybe get a gift list out to those in your life,
Speaker 7: you really ought to consider some of the premium apparel
Speaker 7: that we've got at Chopped Teas. Okay, look up our
Speaker 7: Chopped teas store, The Homie Dicky has made sure that
Speaker 7: really high level quality premium items with that lapsed logo
Speaker 7: can be put under your tree this holiday season, from
Speaker 7: incredible jackets and hats and uh fanny packs and pants
Speaker 7: and hoodies and all kinds of stuff that you really
Speaker 7: can rock that logo with pride, with a high higher
Speaker 7: level of craftsmanship and full support over there if you
Speaker 7: want to engage with our Chopped Tea store, and this
Speaker 7: of course the Pro Wrestling Tea store if you want
Speaker 7: that straight T shirt. Whichevery pro wrestling fan worth his salt,
Speaker 7: has a deep collection of We've got your black T
Speaker 7: shirts and plenty of multi colored ones as well, including
Speaker 7: ones that document the very journey that we're on right now. Boss.
Speaker 3: We have indeed two more coming out.
Speaker 12: You know.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm ready to submit them for approval. But look
Speaker 3: look out there for a udi Mania shirt. I think
Speaker 3: you Mania is running wild, yes, And as well as
Speaker 3: the uh I'm either eating waffles or I'm eating your
Speaker 3: face shirt. I don't even remember that one. It's it's
Speaker 3: a Vader thing, like fucking Vader is a wall. He wouldn't, Oh,
Speaker 3: but I know that is. But I didn't remember the
Speaker 3: side of it. I don't know why. Yeah, he you
Speaker 3: know Vader and he well he's walking on hot waffles. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he was threatening people. He was an old guy. All
Speaker 3: I remember is this guy in the back, who's the chef.
Speaker 3: You know this. I think we came up with it.
Speaker 3: A guy. You know, he's not he's retired. He just
Speaker 3: does this to get out of the house. You know.
Speaker 3: It's like it just a shit job that he does,
Speaker 3: just to say that used to be involved with people.
Speaker 3: And Vader is like in his face saying I'm going
Speaker 3: to either eat waffles or I'm gonna eat your face.
Speaker 7: Spittle everywhere exactly. And shout out to Brian, who has
Speaker 7: also joined the elite group of folks that have toggled
Speaker 7: over to Pro Wrestling teas dot Com slash lapsed fan
Speaker 7: and purchased a Sid's Vienna's T shirt as part of
Speaker 7: sid tribute collection that's apparently got more chapters to go.
Speaker 7: And yes, Andrew, we called him out for being I
Speaker 7: believe the first to buy one of the Sids Vienna's
Speaker 7: Designs T shirts and he wrote us up. He said,
Speaker 7: I don't know if that was me, but here's the story.
Speaker 7: So I'm listening to the latest SID Tribute Part six
Speaker 7: and there is a shout out to and Andrew, who
Speaker 7: purchased the SIDS Vienna shirt. My name is Andrew, and
Speaker 7: I recently purchased the SIDS Vicious Vienna shirt. Now. I
Speaker 7: don't know if you're talking about me on the show
Speaker 7: or if it's some other Andrew who got in touch
Speaker 7: with you after buying the shirt, but I thought y'all
Speaker 7: might get a kick out of why I got the shirt. Yes, recently,
Speaker 7: my wife and I made a trip to Canada to
Speaker 7: see some family, A fifteen hour drive for us, so
Speaker 7: I always load up on podcasts and make the drive
Speaker 7: easier for me. For context, my wife gotta go. Yeah,
Speaker 7: we know where this is going, right. Would you ever like,
Speaker 7: oh my God, with the family in the car, load
Speaker 7: up TLF No, unreal, no, never for contact. My wife
Speaker 7: has heard the cast before, and let's just say she
Speaker 7: doesn't get it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Our trip to Canada just happened to be the same
Speaker 7: week the SID Tribute Part one drop, where we discovered
Speaker 7: Sid's eternal link to Vienna sausages. My wife, who was
Speaker 7: barely paying attention, would yell every time Vienna sausages were
Speaker 7: mentioned during five or so hour long podcasts. I thought
Speaker 7: this was a wrestling podcast. Why do they keep talking
Speaker 7: about vienna sausages? She said? And every time I would
Speaker 7: laugh at the mention of Vienna's, she would yell, why
Speaker 7: are you laughing? This isn't funny. There's another t shirt,
Speaker 7: boss for the store, write that one down. Why are
Speaker 7: you laughing? This isn't funny t l FX.
Speaker 3: Why and it be like Wife of Lapsed Fans.
Speaker 7: Rights the Lapsed Wife Yes TLW. So as soon as
Speaker 7: I heard there would be a shirt in tribute to
Speaker 7: sit On for wrestling teas, I knew what I had
Speaker 7: to do. I ordered her the it's for her, Oh
Speaker 7: my god, Oh my god. I ordered her brilliant, the
Speaker 7: largest size available on the site, to give her as
Speaker 7: a gag gift for Christmas. I figured she can wear
Speaker 7: it around the house with the other oversized teas that
Speaker 7: she has. Like I said, I'm not sure if I'm
Speaker 7: the Andrew being mentioned, but I might give her the
Speaker 7: shirt early and play her the clip and just say
Speaker 7: it was about me. Anyway, I would do that. Andrew,
Speaker 7: you have our full That's that's brilliant, that's great. That's
Speaker 7: the kind of stuff that happens out there. Man, those
Speaker 7: are little moments that we so live for hearing like little.
Speaker 3: What was it direct quote? It was why are you laughing?
Speaker 3: This isn't even funny?
Speaker 7: Yeah, something like that. Let me pull it back up.
Speaker 7: It is why are you laughing? This isn't funny? It's great,
Speaker 7: fucking soy boy podcast, fun right podcast, own fucking jokes.
Speaker 8: Holes.
Speaker 7: Love it so much. So yeah, all the love, all
Speaker 7: the respect, all the best wishes coming to you is
Speaker 7: as we hit American Thanksgiving here, as we hit the
Speaker 7: holiday season globally, TLF you know, TLF is here. TF
Speaker 7: is always here, always, and we hope you find our
Speaker 7: many offerings part of your holiday feast this year. Well,
Speaker 7: we've got that established. The terms of engagement are set.
Speaker 7: People now know what they need to do to deserve
Speaker 7: what's about to come. Yes, and that is our dive
Speaker 7: into independ contractor agreement.
Speaker 3: Boss, give me independent independent contractor agreement.
Speaker 7: Signed if I'm not mistaken two days before he came
Speaker 7: back to WCW in nineteen nine June. That is the
Speaker 7: contract of SID And I believe mister Ude himself has
Speaker 7: donned the bespectacles and is going to read us the
Speaker 7: chapter and verse of the most lucrative contract of his life.
Speaker 3: This independent contractor agreement. The agreement is made and entered
Speaker 3: into as of the ninth day of June nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 3: by and between World Championship Wrestling Incorporated, a Georgia Company
Speaker 3: Corporation located at one CNN Center, Atlanta, Georgia, three three
Speaker 3: four A WCW and Sydney r ud Wrestler For a
Speaker 3: consideration of the mutual promises and agreements contained herein, and
Speaker 3: other good and valuable consideration, the receipt and sufficiency of
Speaker 3: which is hereby acknowledged. The parties hereby agree as follows.
Speaker 7: Of the parties hereby agree to.
Speaker 3: Number one services. Services is correct a subject to the
Speaker 3: terms and conditions set forth in this agreement. Wrestler agrees
Speaker 3: to provide the following services as requested by w CW,
Speaker 3: appear and perform as a professional wrestler at events.
Speaker 7: How do they ever get to agree to that.
Speaker 3: Including without limitation, live and tape television shows, pay per
Speaker 3: view telecasts, live arena shows, and other promotional events as requested.
Speaker 7: But I do not agree to this. I won't That's
Speaker 7: written in the margin. For those of you wondering, I.
Speaker 3: Won't agree to be there at beck and Call.
Speaker 7: Now listen, you're gonna tell s Justice that I have
Speaker 7: to appear and perform as a professional wrestler at events.
Speaker 3: Now, I don't recall, ever forever appearing at events.
Speaker 7: There you go. You knew it was coming. Direct hit direct, fucking.
Speaker 3: Hit number two. Cooperate with and assist in activities intended
Speaker 3: to publicize, advertise, and promote the events WCW and WCW merchandise,
Speaker 3: including by not limited to, on sale ticket appearances, media interviews,
Speaker 3: and other publicity appearances. Develop his own individual wrestling style
Speaker 3: and persona with advice from WCW that will be attractive
Speaker 3: to wrestling fans.
Speaker 7: And we'll pause right there. Okay, there is a contract
Speaker 7: term in WCW agreements in which the wrestler agrees to
Speaker 7: I can't develop his own individual wrestling style and persona, So.
Speaker 3: I want nothing to do with what you do, all right?
Speaker 3: This is all you, Right, you develop it, you do
Speaker 3: this shit. I don't want nothing to do with it.
Speaker 7: I mean, god, what is this term for?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 7: Is this like something they come back and hit you with?
Speaker 7: If you like, go out there and don't come up
Speaker 7: with something that's quote attractive to wrestling fans. Like, what's
Speaker 7: their recourse at that point? Like you violated your contract?
Speaker 7: No one cares about it.
Speaker 3: Someone says, hey, you know what, SID, we told you
Speaker 3: to do that, So you're fucking fired.
Speaker 7: Right, it's the booking plan, Like why are you? Why
Speaker 7: is there a contract term that allows you to come
Speaker 7: after me? If people that might be a SID?
Speaker 3: And I will not do what WWS.
Speaker 7: Right, only on advice and consent.
Speaker 3: I will listen to advice and I will listen to consent.
Speaker 3: But you better but I will not be obligated. I repeat,
Speaker 3: I will not be obligated to do anything you say. Right,
Speaker 3: I developed persona, I developed style, yep, and it's all
Speaker 3: my own.
Speaker 7: I develop a persona that's a quote anyway, Next.
Speaker 3: Provide oh, here we go again, provide a wardrobe, props
Speaker 3: and makeup necessary for his performance at any event?
Speaker 7: Said, did you bring your makeup?
Speaker 3: I have zombie makeup. I stick my that to my character.
Speaker 3: Since I developed my own persona.
Speaker 7: That is attractive to wrestling fans.
Speaker 3: I can tell you right now that my persona that
Speaker 3: I've developed on my own and my style is very
Speaker 3: attractive to fans. And my attire, my wardrobe, it is
Speaker 3: attractive to fans.
Speaker 7: You in the head like a shut It'll hit you in.
Speaker 3: The head like a shot. You. You are looking at
Speaker 3: the revolutionary one. I revolt.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you say that again.
Speaker 3: I am the revolting one. I am the revolving one.
Speaker 3: I revolve, I revolt, I do not obey. I develop
Speaker 3: on an individual place.
Speaker 7: See what you need to understand about me is I
Speaker 7: develop on an individual basis. And what you need right
Speaker 7: now is a big vicious heel.
Speaker 8: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Provided however, all such items shall be subject to approval
Speaker 3: by WCW prior to their use in an event. So
Speaker 3: he has to bring it all in, but he might
Speaker 3: not be able to use it at all. That's right,
Speaker 3: if they don't like it. The wardrobes and props, yes,
Speaker 3: is that something I have not heard that before? I thought,
Speaker 3: fucking they have wardrobe people? Now they do?
Speaker 7: Yeah, but it was in Warriors contract too, Like they
Speaker 7: still kind of make him responsible for his gear even
Speaker 7: if they even if they provide it to him.
Speaker 3: That's so weird.
Speaker 7: It's very strange.
Speaker 3: And perform such other services as may be reasonably requested
Speaker 3: by WCW. What's reasonable in your eyes? WCW.
Speaker 9: That word reasonably is in there for a reason.
Speaker 3: I'm not giving blowjobs right before you even ask. I've
Speaker 3: done it before I begin. There's no way you get
Speaker 3: Sid on his knees blown cock, right, you understand.
Speaker 7: I will not join you on the balcony to watch
Speaker 7: the lightning.
Speaker 3: I've blow him too many fools in my line.
Speaker 7: My god, Patterson wanted to jerk him off off the balcony.
Speaker 7: So like has come like rained down, you know what
Speaker 7: I mean, just like very subtle, almost like bird poop.
Speaker 3: You know, it's just like get through them gets fucking
Speaker 3: smacked in the eye with.
Speaker 7: Through the Tampa night sky, you know.
Speaker 3: With a spot of fucking sidges.
Speaker 7: Sid barely makes a sound as it comes out, Sid.
Speaker 8: Sid just.
Speaker 7: Isn't this isn't the lightning's amazing? Said, tell you what?
Speaker 7: Put those down? What? What's wrong? What are you homophobe?
Speaker 8: Like?
Speaker 7: Do you have a problem with them doing that?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 7: And down come his turquoise trunks of course, right.
Speaker 3: Of course it's always wearing some of the fucking roof,
Speaker 3: always wearing fucking turk oise trunks.
Speaker 7: It dribbles out pathetically. What episode is it where they
Speaker 7: talk about, Oh, it must be when he it must
Speaker 7: be when he first cut us to w WF because
Speaker 7: that's where that story comes from. No, that's why they're
Speaker 7: reading his ww contract.
Speaker 3: Of course, that's what it is.
Speaker 1: It's the lap wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows
Speaker 1: the boys need their candy. It's the lapsed fan. He's
Speaker 1: the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnacio and JP.
Speaker 3: Sorow wrestler agrees to use his best efforts to perform
Speaker 3: the services in a professional manner consistent with the customs of.
Speaker 7: The professional I said, I want to talk to a
Speaker 7: little bit about your performance. You know, we're a little
Speaker 7: underwhelmed so far. We wonder if you're giving it one
Speaker 7: hundred percent. Well, I have agreed to use my best efforts.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you I've used my best efforts. My
Speaker 3: best efforts are never one hundred percent.
Speaker 7: Well, there's a contradiction in terms. I am only obligated
Speaker 7: to use my best efforts to perform the services in
Speaker 7: a professional manner consistent with the customs of the professional wrestling, and.
Speaker 3: I have never said my best efforts would be one
Speaker 3: hundred percent. I never said that. That was not the contract.
Speaker 3: If you ask me right there and there, I'll say
Speaker 3: my best efforts at least.
Speaker 7: What says here inconsistent with the customs of the professional
Speaker 7: wrestling industry said. It doesn't say one hundred percent will
Speaker 7: grant you that. But isn't that sort of what that
Speaker 7: means is not implied.
Speaker 3: No, my best effort comes at seventy five percent of
Speaker 3: the most. If you're looking for immaculate effort, we're talking
Speaker 3: ninety percent.
Speaker 7: Pay increase.
Speaker 3: I demand one hundred extra dollars per minute. I am
Speaker 3: employed under contract. If you insist on immaculate effort.
Speaker 7: For every minute that mister Uty is employed by World
Speaker 7: Championship Wrestling, regardless of whether he's wrestling or not, or
Speaker 7: even appearing in an arena or not, he shall be
Speaker 7: paid the sum of one hundred dollars for every minute.
Speaker 3: Just gonna just gonna fucking do the math I.
Speaker 7: Do this mag is a no fucking how many minutes
Speaker 7: in a year?
Speaker 3: I mean, let's just do it. Yere one hundred, one
Speaker 3: hundred dollars times sixty minutes. That's six thousand dollars an hour.
Speaker 3: It's fine times twenty four hours a day. That's all
Speaker 3: forty four thousand dollars a day.
Speaker 7: So stop me when it's a problem.
Speaker 3: Right, This is which is a million, a million, eight
Speaker 3: thousand a week. Yeah, okay, Tom, listen, I understand, and
Speaker 3: we'll go for the big one. What about fifty two
Speaker 3: weeks a year? Forty two weeks? Right?
Speaker 7: Yep?
Speaker 3: All right, So well that's fifty two million, four hundred
Speaker 3: and sixteen thousand dollars a year.
Speaker 7: God damn did I hear it right?
Speaker 3: Making fifty effort.
Speaker 7: That would go around the business pretty quick. All right, guys, uh,
Speaker 7: sid just signed a fifty two million dollar contract. Hilarious?
Speaker 7: Is that like Hogan is making like three?
Speaker 8: Brother?
Speaker 7: What is that on the back end?
Speaker 3: Dude?
Speaker 7: What do you mean?
Speaker 3: Were talking about fifty two million?
Speaker 8: Brother?
Speaker 3: What's fifty two? What's he getting paid?
Speaker 5: Yo?
Speaker 7: Easy?
Speaker 3: Well, hey, Terry, he's not making Hey for before you
Speaker 3: even say before you even say it, he's not making
Speaker 3: fifty two million dollars.
Speaker 7: He's making a dollar a minute. It's a big difference.
Speaker 3: Well, dude, I'm gonna tell you something, brother, You know,
Speaker 3: I kind of I'm not listen. I just want to
Speaker 3: talk to her, you, dude, I just want to talk
Speaker 3: to her with your brother, and I won't let you know, dude,
Speaker 3: that I actually you know, I actually hired the same
Speaker 3: lawyer right as Sid, dude, because I was just kind
Speaker 3: of curious. Brother, I said, what's going on? And he's
Speaker 3: not getting one dollar per minute? He's got one hundred
Speaker 3: dollars per minute, dude, And.
Speaker 7: I'm thinking, whole COVID shouldet two hundred.
Speaker 3: And I'm thinking, you know, well, okay, you know, brother, Look,
Speaker 3: I'm Sid, Sid Sid dude. I get it. Sid. You
Speaker 3: know he's made him into wrestle Mania. I've made him
Speaker 3: into WrestleMania. So if we're talking it sins monivated to
Speaker 3: WrestleMania's brother, all right, and he's getting one hundred dollars
Speaker 3: per minute.
Speaker 7: Tell to tell with his math brother, Let's just cut
Speaker 7: to the chase, heer, dude, all right, let's just get
Speaker 7: to the brass tax of the matter.
Speaker 3: I think I think when it comes down to a brother,
Speaker 3: I think we've got to dial this thing in, dude,
Speaker 3: and I need to be getting one thousand dollars a minute.
Speaker 7: Brother, I'm more I think about it, dude. You know,
Speaker 7: as we go back and forth, he isn't that a
Speaker 7: word as we go back and forth here, Dude, I'm
Speaker 7: thinking able to cut the chase on this thing.
Speaker 9: Brother.
Speaker 7: I think Hulk Hogan needs to sign the first billion
Speaker 7: dollar contract in wrestling history, dude.
Speaker 3: Brother, what I'm thinking is, dude, you know what, Brother,
Speaker 3: I think we got we got to kind of dial
Speaker 3: it in. Do we gotta kind of get this thing
Speaker 3: back on track? Dude. And I know we've had this
Speaker 3: kind of give and take this whole time.
Speaker 4: Brother.
Speaker 3: I appreciate what you've been saying. I just want to
Speaker 3: say I get it. I get where you're coming from
Speaker 3: from a business standpoint. I get that, dude. I understand
Speaker 3: how you're looking at it as a business. But I'm
Speaker 3: talking about the Hulk Hogan business, brother, And this is
Speaker 3: what I'm trying to get at. I think, dude, when
Speaker 3: push comes to shove, Brother, the people want Hulk Coogan
Speaker 3: to sign the first ever ten billion dollar contract.
Speaker 7: Heck, we can't do ten billion, you know that.
Speaker 3: Okay? Fine, people want it, brother. So here's the thing.
Speaker 3: Do you want this company to go out of business, dude?
Speaker 3: Or do you want this company to thrive? I want
Speaker 3: this coming to go out a business, dude. Then fine, don't.
Speaker 3: I'm just signed the contract. But if you want this
Speaker 3: business to thrive, I think you better fork over ten
Speaker 3: billion dollars?
Speaker 7: And do you want Garrett to go to that private school?
Speaker 3: Brother? I mean, look, dude, I'm just trying to think
Speaker 3: of your family. Brother. Right, I'm on the board, you know.
Speaker 3: I know you know, dude, you're building. You know, you're
Speaker 3: trying to get that spread out there, and Cody, I
Speaker 3: get it my spread everywhere else I can. I just
Speaker 3: want to let you know, dude, I'm just you know, wait.
Speaker 7: A minute, what brother? What did you I'm putting this
Speaker 7: thing together in my head. Dude, are you right? Instead
Speaker 7: of word, what do you promise?
Speaker 3: Sid? Dude?
Speaker 7: Like you you you brushed right past that you didn't
Speaker 7: like you made it seem like you were getting away
Speaker 7: with something like if what I said was true. That's
Speaker 7: only the half of it, dude.
Speaker 3: Is if you kind of like, if you're willing to
Speaker 3: give me this ten billion dollars brother, yeah, he said
Speaker 3: not so, I don't wonder exactly what did you What
Speaker 3: are you giving Sid? What said? God? Brother?
Speaker 8: I don't half.
Speaker 3: Where are we at?
Speaker 8: Dude?
Speaker 3: Giving him?
Speaker 7: You giving him a push?
Speaker 5: Dude?
Speaker 3: Well, you've been talking to Sid brother.
Speaker 7: You just said he give him Ellie dollar contract.
Speaker 3: You've been.
Speaker 7: After all that he goes. You've been talking to Sid
Speaker 7: brother as if like I didn't actually think you were
Speaker 7: talking to him. I just wanted something to fly off
Speaker 7: the handle about what.
Speaker 3: Yeah, are you Are we talking push dude?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 3: What are we.
Speaker 7: Are we talking? Push?
Speaker 8: We?
Speaker 7: Because if that's the case, then we have a whole new.
Speaker 3: We're talking dude, we get a whole were talking? You know,
Speaker 3: we got dollars back in again? Brother? Yeah, I need
Speaker 3: ten billion dollars and three push? Right, So what what
Speaker 3: do we are we talking? Torch?
Speaker 7: Just like in ninety when they brought him in a
Speaker 7: ninety one brother, they give the whole Cogan spot I heard.
Speaker 3: Are you talking about? Are you just say if we
Speaker 3: got Hollywood Hulk Coagan? Are you getting like Santa Monica
Speaker 3: Sid Vicious?
Speaker 7: That would explain the Sandals if nothing else. Sid Dude,
Speaker 7: come on in, brother, what's up? Brother? Look, it's been
Speaker 7: so long, I'm so happy or here dude. You know
Speaker 7: I just have to ask. Last time we were in
Speaker 7: the same locker room together, Brother, I couldn't help it
Speaker 7: hearing that you promised the whole Hogan spot. Brother. It's
Speaker 7: crazy how things work out in this world. And you
Speaker 7: know where we come full circle like this. I'm just wondering, dude,
Speaker 7: did you did you ask for something similar to come here?
Speaker 2: Brother?
Speaker 3: What? What?
Speaker 7: What were the how those discussions go? Dude said, I
Speaker 7: hurt you.
Speaker 3: I just want to know why hurt you? All right?
Speaker 7: Because I'm standing here, brother, like ten inches away from you.
Speaker 3: Dude, you're asking questions about my contract. Is that what
Speaker 3: you're doing right now?
Speaker 7: Oh? Brother? If it's in the contract, I mean I
Speaker 7: think you just told on yourself.
Speaker 3: What brother, I have said one thing all my.
Speaker 7: Life, and that that would be.
Speaker 3: That's sid. Justice is.
Speaker 8: Gonna be all Gogan.
Speaker 7: You've said that your whole life. Call themselves said justice again.
Speaker 7: By the way, anyway, we have some paragraph.
Speaker 3: B paragraph Okay, I guess. By the way, Santa Monica
Speaker 3: Vicious is gonna have to be a thing now today.
Speaker 7: I think so. Yeah. It was a fucking Santa Monica
Speaker 7: Peer six brawl in the hotel in England.
Speaker 3: In connection with Wrestler's performance of the services, Wrestler grants
Speaker 3: w CW the following exclusive paid up worldwide ROTS one
Speaker 3: to arrange wrestler's performance or appearance at advance to arrange performance,
Speaker 3: to arrange performance.
Speaker 7: That's one way to put it.
Speaker 3: What does that mean?
Speaker 7: Exactly?
Speaker 3: What do you what are you ranging for me?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 3: Is this? Because I'm not a faithful.
Speaker 7: See it's a simple.
Speaker 3: It's real simple game we play. We go round and round,
Speaker 3: and I look at the circle and wonder what is
Speaker 3: the loop about?
Speaker 7: Two lay, two lawyers enter one, contract leaves.
Speaker 3: Two lawyers enter.
Speaker 2: One.
Speaker 3: SID leaves m H to sell or distribute admission tickets
Speaker 3: to all events. Wait? Wait, are you saying I'm a
Speaker 3: ticket teller? Am I working box office? So this is no?
Speaker 7: This is this is you granted us these rights to
Speaker 7: do it?
Speaker 3: Not you doing what do you tell me I have?
Speaker 3: Are you obligating me to sit in the box office
Speaker 3: and sell tickets?
Speaker 12: No?
Speaker 7: No, quite the opposite. This is you giving us the
Speaker 7: exclusive Shut up.
Speaker 3: I want to understand why you think SID is going
Speaker 3: to sell tickets.
Speaker 7: It's all of the question. Man, I wonder the same
Speaker 7: thing when I saw the salary lines on this thing.
Speaker 7: But I'm just a lawyer, Nick Lambrose.
Speaker 3: What gives you the crazy thought that SID is going
Speaker 3: to sell a single ticket?
Speaker 7: Sure, yeah, I checked your references. I understand why you'd
Speaker 7: ask us that.
Speaker 3: To create, publish, distribute, broadcast, photograph, film, type, or otherwise
Speaker 3: record or author us others to do so in any
Speaker 3: and all available media, any or all of the events
Speaker 3: or anime animated programs. Any such creation or recording shall
Speaker 3: be referred to as a program, and for to use, exhibit,
Speaker 3: and distribute into license others to use, exhibit, and distribute
Speaker 3: in perpetuity any program, or any part or segment of
Speaker 3: any program, in any or in all media, and by
Speaker 3: any and all methods, whether now knows, whether now known
Speaker 3: or coming into existency or after, and in connection therewith
Speaker 3: do you lie and exploit the name image?
Speaker 7: You're going to exploit me right my words in the contract.
Speaker 3: I want to understand why you'd exploit said, well, because
Speaker 3: that's the name. I am simply trying to do my
Speaker 3: best by my church. I do that one coming, and
Speaker 3: now you want to exploit everything that I.
Speaker 7: Am well said. If you put it that way, Jesus Christ,
Speaker 7: I mean.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you right now, once you look me
Speaker 3: dead in the eye, I want you to understand somebody's
Speaker 3: real simple. I am not in the exploitation business. Right,
Speaker 3: I don't work pornography. If you go and exploit something,
Speaker 3: you exploit yourself.
Speaker 9: Wow.
Speaker 3: And if you need to, I will exploit you for
Speaker 3: you because I'm a private backer in the exploitation business.
Speaker 3: But I will not be exploited myself.
Speaker 7: Exploit others as they would exploit you. But do it first.
Speaker 3: Image likeness, character, costume, props, ring name, voice, logo, service marks, trademarks,
Speaker 3: trade names, signature gimmicks, routines, themes and.
Speaker 7: What caricatures caricatures? Yeah, I can say that, again, said.
Speaker 3: Right, and any and all other distinctive identifying India as
Speaker 3: used by or associated with Wrestler.
Speaker 8: He said, my church a case of being sausages.
Speaker 3: And I sent him an autograph picture picture, a picture
Speaker 3: of what exactly.
Speaker 7: Let me get into that here in the contract.
Speaker 3: The riots growing up by this section shall be exclusive
Speaker 3: to WW during the term and for the period set
Speaker 3: forth in section non B, and shall be non exclusive thereafter.
Speaker 3: Wrestler expressly acknowledges and agrees that the rights granted to
Speaker 3: w CW in Section one B four shall continue in
Speaker 3: effect after the expiration, non renewal, or termination for any
Speaker 3: reason of this agreement. Right, I don't allow that.
Speaker 13: I will not allow myself to be dominated.
Speaker 7: It looks like you just did said I mean already reason.
Speaker 3: W CW and Wrestler acknowledge and agree that they have
Speaker 3: entered into that certain merchandise in agreement. Yes, and even
Speaker 3: data HEREWI with respect to certain specified merchandise in activity
Speaker 3: WOW number two independent contractor wrestlering the performance of services
Speaker 3: agreeed in this document is an independent contractor. That means
Speaker 3: I don't have to come here at any time. You
Speaker 3: don't call me in, you don't set time. I'm working
Speaker 3: ten hunder nine. My accountant, Kevin Nash, said so right.
Speaker 3: In the performance of this agreement, both WCW and Wrestler
Speaker 3: shall be acting in their own, separate capacities, and not
Speaker 3: as agents, employees, partners, joint venturers, or associates of one another.
Speaker 3: It is expressly understood and agreed that Wrestler is not
Speaker 3: authorized to bind WW to any liability or obligation.
Speaker 7: What there's the word, he says it obligation. It's in there.
Speaker 3: WW is not authorized to bind me to obligation.
Speaker 7: It is expressly understood and agreed that Wrestler is not
Speaker 7: authorized to bind WCW to any liability or obligation.
Speaker 3: WW doesn't bind meata obligation. Right, you got that backwards.
Speaker 3: You gotta rewrite that shit.
Speaker 7: That's your question. If the wrestler is not authorized to
Speaker 7: bind WCW to any obligation, is w c W authorized
Speaker 7: to bind wrestler to any obligation.
Speaker 3: Or to represent that it has any such authority. It's fine,
Speaker 3: I won't allow you to obligate me, right, I'm about that.
Speaker 3: Wrestler is responsible for all of his own all of
Speaker 3: his expenses, including, without limitation, medical expenses.
Speaker 7: That'll come that'll come into.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure I don't agree to this.
Speaker 7: What if I snap my leg in half? What if
Speaker 7: I snapped my leg in half and it's your fault? Right, Well,
Speaker 7: you say that, I do.
Speaker 3: I say it's your fault. I say it. I'll say
Speaker 3: it again, it's your fault. Health and welfare, insurance, disability insurance,
Speaker 3: training expenses, props, wardrobe, makeup, and other expenses necessary to
Speaker 3: perform the services under this agreement without limiting the generality,
Speaker 3: the foregoing wrestler acknowledges that, as between w CW and wrestler,
Speaker 3: wrestler shall be solely responsible libel for the payment of
Speaker 3: any and all withholding or other taxes levied, assessed, or
Speaker 3: do as a resultless services which we are performed by
Speaker 3: wrestler under this agreement. Any and all travel incurred by Wrestler,
Speaker 3: and this performance of services here under shall be pursuant
Speaker 3: to w CW's travel policy, as amended by w CW
Speaker 3: from time to time.
Speaker 7: And I love to see a copy of the WCW
Speaker 7: Travel Policy. Please, I need that capital T capital P.
Speaker 3: Number three. Compensation A as full and complete compensation for
Speaker 3: the services WCW shall pay to wrestler, and wrestler shall
Speaker 3: accept the payments described on Exhibit A attasked here too
Speaker 3: and incorporated herein by reference.
Speaker 7: We're going to get to Exhibit A once we arrived
Speaker 7: that part of the contract.
Speaker 8: B.
Speaker 3: Wrestler's compensation is outlining. Exhibit A shall be a proportioned
Speaker 3: according to the falling schedule. Pay perviews forty percent of
Speaker 3: annual compensation, Televised event taped or live twenty five percent
Speaker 3: of annual compensation, Non televised house shows twenty percent of
Speaker 3: annual compensation. Interviews, photo shoots, personal appearances fifteen percent of
Speaker 3: annual compensation. Wow in the event wrestler fails to timely
Speaker 3: appear and performance required by WSW except by reason of incapacity,
Speaker 3: w W shall have to write to deduct pro ratus
Speaker 3: sums from wrestler's compensation payments based on the foregoing a
Speaker 3: point apportionment divided by ww's reasonable projection of wrestler's number
Speaker 3: of annual appearances in each category.
Speaker 7: Now, I think it might be appropriate to go right
Speaker 7: ahead to page sixteen of this document and read Exhibit A.
Speaker 7: While we're on compensation, and we're about to read the
Speaker 7: terms explaining and expounding upon this exhibit A marked independent
Speaker 7: contractor agreement for Sydney r ud Aka, said Vicious. Exhibit A.
Speaker 7: Compensation here is ladies and gentlemen. How sid's pay was
Speaker 7: structured in this WCW.
Speaker 3: WOW in consideration of wrestlers granted the riots, licenses and
Speaker 3: services here under provided wrestler faithfully and fully performs all
Speaker 3: of his obligations here Under WSWSHL pay wrestlers follows Year one,
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety nine through June eight, two thousand, eight hundred
Speaker 3: thousand dollars.
Speaker 7: That's the salary right there.
Speaker 3: Year two June nine, two thousand through June eight, two
Speaker 3: thousand and one, eight hundred and fifty thousand.
Speaker 7: I remain obsessed with the fact that WSW contracts signed
Speaker 7: around ninety nine and two thousand extended beyond the existence
Speaker 7: of the company.
Speaker 3: Oh and this one right here, this part, especially because
Speaker 3: this part the contract starts like the year starts and
Speaker 3: ends after the company's done year three June nine, two
Speaker 3: thousand and one to June eight, two thousand and two,
Speaker 3: nine hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 7: So it goes from eight hundred thousand, eight hundred fifty
Speaker 7: thousand and nine hundred thousand dollars guaranteed.
Speaker 3: And he collected what a year in several months.
Speaker 7: He collected every one of those years. Thank you very much.
Speaker 3: I know I'm saying like he collected a year and
Speaker 3: like three months worth of money.
Speaker 7: For not doing it for nothing. Yeah that's right. What
Speaker 7: did what did ww F sign everybody right away?
Speaker 3: Right? That's why? Yeah, because I don't want to fucking
Speaker 3: work if I don't have to.
Speaker 7: Have a nine hundred thousand dollars kissing the mail on
Speaker 7: the way right exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the fine. I wouldn't do it.
Speaker 7: Either, cash that motherfucker an.
Speaker 3: Audition in the event wrestler appears and performs on air
Speaker 3: at So that's not that's his base. Salary's base.
Speaker 7: Yep, g get to the bonuses, right, I mean that's
Speaker 7: chump change.
Speaker 3: Holy shit.
Speaker 7: And now we're getting to why you know Sid put
Speaker 7: it all together and saw one point five million a year.
Speaker 3: It's an addition in the in the event wrestler appears
Speaker 3: and performs on air at any ww pay per view
Speaker 3: event as instructed by WSW during the term WWS shall
Speaker 3: pay wrestler pay per view onuses follows. Year one fifty
Speaker 3: thousand dollars per pay perview event. Pretty sweet, Year two
Speaker 3: fifty five thousand dollars per pay per view event. Year
Speaker 3: three sixty thousand dollars per pay perview vent.
Speaker 7: Jesus So no percentage like Hogan where he gets a
Speaker 7: certain amount of the pay per view haul. He just
Speaker 7: gets a flat amount. But yeah, you know, you take
Speaker 7: nine hundred thousand in year three and sixty thousand per
Speaker 7: pay per view event. You know, two or three pay
Speaker 7: per views. He might even he might haven't clear two
Speaker 7: million if he has a.
Speaker 3: Yeah, seriously, I mean, how many was he in between
Speaker 3: ninety nine and two thousand?
Speaker 7: I don't know, probably six.
Speaker 3: I mean he breaks he breaks a million right there? Yep,
Speaker 3: you know Jesus wrestlers shall be paid for a minimum
Speaker 3: of eight paid wow minimum, So he made he does
Speaker 3: eight automatically, he does eight and guess what if he
Speaker 3: does seven, he still gets paid for eight. So wait
Speaker 3: a minute, So he got paid for pay per views
Speaker 3: even though the company was under.
Speaker 7: Yes, and you remember that's why they tried to get
Speaker 7: Hogan on Greed. They offered him. They told him to
Speaker 7: show up at Greed because then they didn't think they'd
Speaker 7: have to pay him because he refused to appear.
Speaker 3: No, brother, and we got fine line, dude, right, fine.
Speaker 7: Print, because I don't think he had a minimum like
Speaker 7: this here. I don't think he did. I think it
Speaker 7: was sort of like, yeah, there was, I mean we
Speaker 7: went through it all. It's on the archives. But it
Speaker 7: was some kind of deal where like he actually had
Speaker 7: to like perform, he couldn't. He wouldn't just be paid. Uh,
Speaker 7: he would be paid if he didn't.
Speaker 3: Want to be. No, No, he had to be the featured
Speaker 3: performer the feature program and now it's his match or
Speaker 3: something like that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, feature performers. Where was he and That's that was
Speaker 7: his pushback, like, like, you just can't just tell me
Speaker 7: to show up at a pay per view and expect
Speaker 7: that to satisfy the contractual term, Like there needs to
Speaker 7: be something put in place that makes it clear that
Speaker 7: I'm the future performer. Otherwise that part of the contract
Speaker 7: doesn't count. I'll and void, brother, And that's why he
Speaker 7: cash those one million dollar checks even after he was
Speaker 7: court is totally gone. Of course he did under a
Speaker 7: contract that he was arguing in civil court was invalid.
Speaker 7: Of course those parts were valid. The rest of it wasn't.
Speaker 3: Of course, Listen, I choose validity.
Speaker 7: It's been invalidated.
Speaker 3: Yes, I choose the validity that is required for my
Speaker 3: own validation.
Speaker 7: Well, then mister Hogan, we can go ahead and process this.
Speaker 3: Check for you. Then this agreement shall commence as of
Speaker 3: June not none nine, and shall continue until June eight,
Speaker 3: two thousand and two. Travel when required to travel for
Speaker 3: WW business. WW shall provide wrestler with a rental car, hotel,
Speaker 3: tell accommodations. And so what the fuck was that whole
Speaker 3: thing in the early part of of of how he
Speaker 3: had to pay for his own travel and all that shit.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know why that's in there.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is a writer obviously, this part is
Speaker 3: a writer here, so.
Speaker 7: This supplies only to said, whereas the rest is probably
Speaker 7: boiler played language.
Speaker 3: It's right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's pretty crazy because I mean maybe a lot
Speaker 7: of guys had this deal. But you know, that's the
Speaker 7: whole wrestler thing is like we don't, we don't have
Speaker 7: these expenses covered, but here it is. Of course they did,
Speaker 7: at least he did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's absurd. First class air yep, Well he used
Speaker 3: the leg room.
Speaker 7: You know, it's fair.
Speaker 3: He's you know, he's a big guy. Special provisions, so
Speaker 3: these aren't special enough.
Speaker 7: Put home based Memphis, Tennessee, by the way in the contract,
Speaker 7: so that he doesn't trust.
Speaker 3: You, well until yes, when my churches that's where my god.
Speaker 7: Is right presumably, so he doesn't try to move after
Speaker 7: the contract and cost them three times more in airfare
Speaker 7: than they we're expecting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you never know. Special provisions. Wrestlers shall not be
Speaker 3: required to perform the services here. Oh my god, Oh
Speaker 3: my goodness. Wrestlers shall not be required to perform services
Speaker 3: here under an exist of one hundred and eighty days
Speaker 3: per contractual year, exclusive of travel and.
Speaker 7: Then they have his address and his Social Security numbers,
Speaker 7: which we don't need to share. Signed Sydney kue is
Speaker 7: Sydney r Udi and I believe that's Eric Bishov's signature.
Speaker 3: It looks like an S to me, but whatever it does.
Speaker 3: So wait a minute, wait a minute. So really, so
Speaker 3: all this shit up here, he gets paid all this
Speaker 3: nonsensical money for working six months.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well you about in June, like how it's June
Speaker 7: to December.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm talking about how I'm talking about how it's
Speaker 3: June to June. But he only has to work one
Speaker 3: hundred eight days instead of three hundred and sixty five like.
Speaker 7: He well three and sixty guy would be Yeah, they didn't.
Speaker 3: Have Well I know, I know they I mean listen,
Speaker 3: I know I get that. But still like that's he
Speaker 3: is not required to perform beyond one hundred and eighty days.
Speaker 7: No, there's probably not many. That's probably how many shows
Speaker 7: they had. Honestly, they probably didn't have any. They probably
Speaker 7: have one hundred and eighty. They probably had less honestly
Speaker 7: by then because they cut down have shows so much
Speaker 7: TV taping by then, well they were still taping Thunder separately.
Speaker 7: But at a certain point in two thousand they switched
Speaker 7: to taping Thunder the same night as Nitro. But you know,
Speaker 7: one pay per view a month. So yeah, that's part
Speaker 7: of the reason. That's part of the appeal to going
Speaker 7: to WCW was they weren't on the road three hundred
Speaker 7: days a year. You know, last.
Speaker 1: Wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the boys need
Speaker 1: their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's a lapsed fan
Speaker 1: wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnacio, m JP Sorrow.
Speaker 7: So we go back to where we started to reference
Speaker 7: the schedule A and the compensation part of the agreement.
Speaker 7: I believe that would be page four right, Mumm and
Speaker 7: wrestler fatals to appear. After they do the breakdown of
Speaker 7: forty percent pay per view, twenty five percent annual. I
Speaker 7: don't understand, like why that's even in there, honestly, Like.
Speaker 3: Well, that's just gonna be again, that's just gonna be
Speaker 3: for bait. This is your base caught. You know, this
Speaker 3: is not a specific contract, it's a base contract. And
Speaker 3: then the writer at the end, I.
Speaker 7: Should un't say why they have to set out like
Speaker 7: that forty percent of his pay has to be from
Speaker 7: pay per view.
Speaker 3: Well, it's everybody. Yeah, it's everybody, and chances are other
Speaker 3: people like HUV and Kude. Guerrera is not getting a
Speaker 3: rider at the end.
Speaker 7: You know that's true, But like everyone's going to be
Speaker 7: a pay per view, so that how would you give
Speaker 7: some guy, some guy who's never in pay per view
Speaker 7: a contract that says forty percent of annual compensation is
Speaker 7: going to be pay per view.
Speaker 3: No, maybe that's the point. Maybe you don't get compensated
Speaker 3: for pay per views or not on, but.
Speaker 7: That it's not forty percent of your pay, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: No, I don't know.
Speaker 7: I don't know. So weird. I don't know why those
Speaker 7: percentages are in there. I don't get it.
Speaker 3: Let's just pay the people, Like what is it?
Speaker 7: Why does it matter how much each little piece of
Speaker 7: the each category of payment accounts for the whole pie.
Speaker 7: I don't get why that's important.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. It is kind of weird. I mean,
Speaker 3: especially like especially for sid when he's getting paid a
Speaker 3: few bonuses anyway.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, and exactly like you said, the writer sets
Speaker 7: in much more clear terms. But I don't even get
Speaker 7: why that's boiler plate language, like, oh you pay me
Speaker 7: what you pay me, and that's that, Like, why does
Speaker 7: it matter how much of it is pay per view?
Speaker 3: Is it is strange? I mean I.
Speaker 7: Maybe because maybe because they could go beyond the eight
Speaker 7: Oh I.
Speaker 3: Bet I know why. I bet I know why. This
Speaker 3: is why because your your paycheck is not going to
Speaker 3: be maybe your paycheck is different if like you know,
Speaker 3: on say, I don't know how often they got paid.
Speaker 3: I don't know what their pay schedule was, but if
Speaker 3: you're paid every two weeks, maybe on you know, weeks
Speaker 3: that are maybe like the two weeks that you don't
Speaker 3: have a pay per view, you're not gonna get much money. Okay,
Speaker 3: maybe yep, And maybe when you do a pay per
Speaker 3: view you get more money. God it hit me the
Speaker 3: fucking accountant for that.
Speaker 7: But well, yeah, you get well, at least as far
Speaker 7: as since contract is structured, you get paid, you know,
Speaker 7: over fifty two weeks, you get nine hundred thousand in
Speaker 7: year three and then on top of that, in certain
Speaker 7: periods you'd get.
Speaker 3: But I mean, yes, he does. But what if are
Speaker 3: they going to distribute that in different ways? Like are
Speaker 3: they going to say, hey, you know, we don't pay
Speaker 3: you on you know, we don't pay you everything on
Speaker 3: weeks where there are no.
Speaker 7: You know, but that would make sense. Actually no, I
Speaker 7: think they just get there. They get their salary like
Speaker 7: anybody else would, and even increments every two weeks. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: and then you get like an extra thing on there
Speaker 7: for the pay per view. But what I think maybe
Speaker 7: the forty percent is maybe because you know, like it
Speaker 7: says minimum eight, like if they if they gave him twelve,
Speaker 7: then perhaps the pay per view slug of his earnings
Speaker 7: would be more than forty percent.
Speaker 3: Hmmm.
Speaker 7: And maybe that this is a way to control that,
Speaker 7: like putting him on every pay per view, like maybe
Speaker 7: in in relation to his salary. I don't know. I
Speaker 7: still I still quite get why that has to be
Speaker 7: in there. But that's one thing that occurred to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe maybe it is a maybe it is a
Speaker 3: way you know what I bet this is what I'll
Speaker 3: tell you what it is. It's so people can't say, well,
Speaker 3: I did this, you know, I did this interview, photo shooting,
Speaker 3: person appearances. Why am I going to pay extra for that? Well,
Speaker 3: it's fifteen percent of what you get is from that,
Speaker 3: Yeah I did, I did like twelve house shows. Why
Speaker 3: am I going to paid extra for that well, because
Speaker 3: it's part of your thing here, see twenty percent of
Speaker 3: your pay. That that to me is the way way
Speaker 3: it makes it basically, can't put the ceiling on it, right.
Speaker 3: People can't come and ask more like, we've already included
Speaker 3: that in part of your pay. It's not extra because
Speaker 3: we've included it, even though you've done such and such.
Speaker 3: That's where you get. You know, I don't know one
Speaker 3: of our lawyers will say something.
Speaker 7: But probably yeah, yeah, I think of that as more
Speaker 7: of a gating factor kind of like like we're saying
Speaker 7: where you know, it's it cuts both ways, Like the
Speaker 7: guy can't ask for all this extra money for all
Speaker 7: this extra work, and they can't really demand it one either.
Speaker 7: It's like only fifteen percent of my pay can be
Speaker 7: all these interviews in photo shoots.
Speaker 3: But again, I'm looking at this, I'm looking at this.
Speaker 3: I actually don't think of this as being now that
Speaker 3: we've read the writer, like in a weird way, all
Speaker 3: of this is null and void.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it just doesn't apply.
Speaker 3: It doesn't. But it's like they have to use their
Speaker 3: base contract and then the rider comes into play for
Speaker 3: the individuals. Yeah, for sure, for sure you know, like again,
Speaker 3: this is what they'd give some fucking you know, this
Speaker 3: is like what they gave Raymisterio in ninety six when
Speaker 3: he came in. Yeah, like here, you know, listen, this
Speaker 3: is what you get. No rider, you know, he's an idiot,
Speaker 3: doesn't fucking ask for anything else, and so he gets
Speaker 3: in a weird way.
Speaker 7: Jypped, I know what you mean. I think this is
Speaker 7: probably this is probably a version of a boilerplate contract,
Speaker 7: that is, for people that they actually plan on featuring
Speaker 7: and putting on pay per view. I don't think they
Speaker 7: would give this to a guy that they would never
Speaker 7: put on pay per view. Like I don't think Landy
Speaker 7: Pofo had forty percent of his annual compensation comes from
Speaker 7: pay per views. That doesn't even make any sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe, but.
Speaker 7: This is it to me. This is just like a
Speaker 7: way to This is a way to keep under control
Speaker 7: the amount of each category that can foist on the guy.
Speaker 14: Yeah you know, yeah, Parada read that parts those those
Speaker 14: nditions be rather.
Speaker 7: Just pick it up after the after those percentages on
Speaker 7: page page four.
Speaker 3: I read that part. Though I heard part of that
Speaker 3: I can read again. In the event wrestler fails to
Speaker 3: timely appear in performance required by WCW, except by reason
Speaker 3: of incapacity. WCW shall have the right to deduct pro
Speaker 3: rated sums from wrestlers compensation payments based on the foregoing
Speaker 3: appointment apportionment, divided by w CW's reasonable projection of wrestler's
Speaker 3: number of annual appearances in each category. In the event
Speaker 3: wrestler's unable to perform due to incapacity as defined below,
Speaker 3: the terms of Section eight shall apply this right. WCW
Speaker 3: shall be at addition to every other remedy now or
Speaker 3: later existing at law or in equity, and shall not
Speaker 3: in any way interfere with any rights on the part
Speaker 3: of WCW to enjoin wrestler from any violation of disagreement
Speaker 3: or any part thereof. Notwithstanding any reduction or deduction of
Speaker 3: compensation payments pursued to this section, all remaining terms and
Speaker 3: conditions of this agreement shell continue in full force and
Speaker 3: effect unless and until terminated pursuant to the terms of.
Speaker 7: This agreement, so he fails to appear as required unless
Speaker 7: he's incapacitated, WCW can take can take away pro rated
Speaker 7: sums from his payment based on the foregoing apportionment divided
Speaker 7: by w w's revisional projection of wrestler's number of ango
Speaker 7: appearances in each category. So this is this is further
Speaker 7: like explaining why those forty percent pay per view and
Speaker 7: all those numbers we just talked about are in there.
Speaker 7: It's giving them kind of like a guide to use
Speaker 7: when they want a deduct pay.
Speaker 3: Except again, this is again, this is like where you're
Speaker 3: talking about kind of a basic contract because all this
Speaker 3: is not on void. Yeah, based on the writer, I
Speaker 3: think so he's not deducted anything, yeah, at all for
Speaker 3: missing things. He's guaranteed money no matter what he does.
Speaker 7: I've been him a mate, Yeah, yep, yep. But I
Speaker 7: think I think they are saying like, we could not
Speaker 7: pay you for a ninth if you're incapacitated. That's kind
Speaker 7: of how I read it. Like it's still it's still
Speaker 7: in here for a reason. It's not totally null and void,
Speaker 7: but it applies after all the guarantees are set and then.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess so.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 3: See, notwithstanding the foregoing apportionment for general payment purposes, Wrestler's
Speaker 3: compensation shall be payable in equal installments on a twice
Speaker 3: a month basis. Or basin such schedule as WSW may
Speaker 3: implement from time to time.
Speaker 7: There's there's where the paychecks come in. Twice a month, Yeah,
Speaker 7: twice a month. For ownership of work product, all work product.
Speaker 3: Work product.
Speaker 7: Say that again?
Speaker 3: Oh my god. It sounds like, you know, like you
Speaker 3: buy like a craft cheese and it says artificial cheese product.
Speaker 7: I know, well, not too far off.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's probably true. I guess you could definitely say
Speaker 3: this is artificial cheese product. All work product themes, routines, characters, storylines,
Speaker 3: property data, documentation or information of materials conceived, discovered, developed,
Speaker 3: or created by wrestler pursuit disagreement, including without limitation, the
Speaker 3: programs collectively, the work product shall be owned exclusively by
Speaker 3: WCW to the greatest extent possible. Any work product shall
Speaker 3: be deemed to be work made for hire.
Speaker 8: Ah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, as I find the Copyright Act and owned exclusively
Speaker 3: by WCW, wrestler herebys unconditionally, A revocably transferms and assigns
Speaker 3: a WCW all rights title interest in or any or
Speaker 3: any work product, including without limitation, all patents, copyrights, trade secrets, trademarks,
Speaker 3: service marks, service marks. They're like a guy fucking delivering
Speaker 3: me food and other intellectual What happens my viennus? I
Speaker 3: need to know exactly what happens to my venus.
Speaker 9: There's something missing from this contract.
Speaker 3: My viennas are not owned by WSW.
Speaker 5: He sent my church in case of Vienna sausages, and
Speaker 5: I sent him an autograph picture.
Speaker 3: Ooh oh, coach, so cool?
Speaker 7: I know where do I get out of that action.
Speaker 3: Sid Jesus Wrestler has previously developed and represents the WSW
Speaker 3: that he is the sole owner of the fallen ring names,
Speaker 3: stage names or nicknames in connection with the provision of
Speaker 3: professional wrestling services Sid Vicious. Doesn't the rocker own that name?
Speaker 3: I guess Russian wrestling services?
Speaker 7: I guess, which is weird because he has to own
Speaker 7: that to work for you, Like, what if he doesn't
Speaker 7: own it? Who cares?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Right, that's a term of the contract that you have
Speaker 7: to own your wrestling name. I've never heard of that. Well,
Speaker 7: maybe because it's previously developed. They do say that in
Speaker 7: the contract. Yeah, I get that. I think probably what
Speaker 7: it is is if someone sues us for calling you
Speaker 7: Sid Vicious on TV, it's on you, not us, because
Speaker 7: we told you that in exchange for this contract, you're
Speaker 7: representing that you have.
Speaker 3: The rights to use the name Yeah. Wrestler here by
Speaker 3: licenses WW to use and exploit any in all of
Speaker 3: the wrestler's names, exclusively during the term for all purposes
Speaker 3: here under, and non exclusively thereafter in connection with ww's
Speaker 3: exploitation or use the programs. Wrestler grees is that any
Speaker 3: ring named, nicknamed, persona, logo, or character developed by him
Speaker 3: and on WCW during the term, and used by him
Speaker 3: in connection with performance of the services, shall be part
Speaker 3: of the work product and shall be the exclusive property
Speaker 3: of WCW. W CW shall have the right to register
Speaker 3: any such name, nickname, or logo as a trademark or
Speaker 3: service market WCW to the extent WCW considers such registration
Speaker 3: to be permitted and appropriate under any applicable law. Without
Speaker 3: regard to any such registration, Wrestler here by covenants that
Speaker 3: he shall not use any such ring, name, nickname, persona, logo,
Speaker 3: or character developed during the term for any purpose at
Speaker 3: any time in propuity produity.
Speaker 7: Huh, you said it just like he would.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 3: Well, the express consent w W. Wrestler agrees to execute and
Speaker 3: deliver ws W all male packages, all Vienna's, all Vienna packages.
Speaker 3: I will not you put down a FRANKO, deliver those
Speaker 3: fucking viennas. Fike, Yeah, Ed, I wonder how many times
Speaker 3: why don't you listen to me? I've called your name
Speaker 3: eighteen times and you just sat there sleeping like a bitch.
Speaker 9: Did you deliver the venas?
Speaker 3: I need to know right now, and I'm gonna ask
Speaker 3: you something. It's real simple, right, It's so simple it's
Speaker 3: gonna hit you in the head like a shot. Look
Speaker 3: at your father. I want you turn around your bed.
Speaker 3: I won't look you didn'ty I, And I want to
Speaker 3: know did you you deliver the Venus sausages? I want
Speaker 3: you to lie to me. I know if you're lying.
Speaker 3: Did you deliver the viennas?
Speaker 9: Because if you didn't, Frank, there's gonna be an awful
Speaker 9: lot a back of crackers by water moon by or
Speaker 9: oat mail bi extremes unwillingly.
Speaker 3: Because I'm gonna tell you right now, if you do
Speaker 3: not deliver the viennas, then I cannot bark the car
Speaker 3: in the garage and I won't kill you.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmmm.
Speaker 3: I need to bark the car in the garage those
Speaker 3: without regard to any such registration. Oh no, I did.
Speaker 3: I was reading something about deliverance. Where's the delivering thing?
Speaker 3: The covenants are at that bottom of product is not
Speaker 3: considered to be work made for hire wrestler agrees to
Speaker 3: execute and delivered w W any transfers, assignments, documents, or
Speaker 3: other instruments which you may deem necessary or appropriate from
Speaker 3: time to time to best to vest, to vest, is
Speaker 3: that what that is? What page are you on? I'm
Speaker 3: on five five lines from from the bottom.
Speaker 7: Let's see.
Speaker 3: Yeah, from time to time. To vest complete?
Speaker 7: Yeah, vest is to like give someone something, to give
Speaker 7: it over to them. Okay, I vest in you the power,
Speaker 7: the power vested in me.
Speaker 3: Vest complete title and ownership of any work product and
Speaker 3: ill associated intellectual property and other riots exclusively in w
Speaker 3: c W.
Speaker 7: Now when they say they want a VEST complete title,
Speaker 7: does that mean that this my black leather vest.
Speaker 3: Now we're talking when you when you say vest complete title,
Speaker 3: dos that mean that I get the entire title belt
Speaker 3: leather vest including you want my vest?
Speaker 8: Is it it?
Speaker 3: I need? I need the language to be ironed out here.
Speaker 7: I also need my vest to be ironed out here.
Speaker 3: I also need my dry cleaning ironed. I need my
Speaker 3: underwear ironed.
Speaker 7: Oh my god. That said, like the company shall arrange
Speaker 7: for hotel air transportation, first class air, and laundry services.
Speaker 3: Specifically, I like my underwear.
Speaker 7: Are guys, we don't want this guy wandering the hallways
Speaker 7: of his hotel looking for a water dryer.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's still have no problem walking around hotels with
Speaker 3: my with no pants. Clearly a right, my fucking cock
Speaker 3: dangling out looking for someone to iron my fucking shorts.
Speaker 7: Where's my cut? Part of the pun?
Speaker 3: Uh if such work products is not considered to be
Speaker 3: a work made for her wrestler hereby signs of WW
Speaker 3: for one dollar in hand and other good and valuable
Speaker 3: considerational riots, title and interest in into the copyright thereof,
Speaker 3: and all renews and extensions thereof that may be secured
Speaker 3: under the laws of any country now or hereafter enforce
Speaker 3: and effect.
Speaker 15: Now, guys, I'm going to talk about a contract term wrestler.
Speaker 15: Here about a sign to WCW for one dollar in hand,
Speaker 15: another good infallible consideration, all rights, title, and interest. Instead
Speaker 15: of SID assigning all those rights WW for one dollar,
Speaker 15: can we change the one dollar to two hundred and
Speaker 15: fifty million.
Speaker 3: Dollars I like to have here, he s, a WW
Speaker 3: offers me two hundred and fifty million dollars each month.
Speaker 7: He crosses out the one dollar and writes two hundred
Speaker 7: and fifty million above it, to see if they'll accept
Speaker 7: per month. That's a way to sneak the biggest slug
Speaker 7: of the contract in there.
Speaker 3: You imagine they fucking signed that, didn't even fucking read
Speaker 3: it over. Yeah, sure, say whatever you say initial hear
Speaker 3: pal in an other good and valuable consideration, all rights, title,
Speaker 3: and interest into the copyright thereof, and all the news
Speaker 3: I say, I read that already they're able to work.
Speaker 3: Disagreement number five. Compliance with Laws, rules and Regulations. A
Speaker 3: wrests agrees to comply with all applicable policies, rules, procedures,
Speaker 3: and regulations adopted from time to time. Now, we don't
Speaker 3: necessarily all have rules all the time, but from time
Speaker 3: to time we do rules and policies.
Speaker 10: Colonel Parker, right this, I said, Well, don't always have
Speaker 10: rules all the time, but sometimes we adopt them, rules
Speaker 10: and procedures from time to time.
Speaker 2: Well, time and time.
Speaker 10: It's not all the time, it's from time to time
Speaker 10: I fuck it.
Speaker 2: I gotta take a ship.
Speaker 7: I fuck it. He said, I fuck it? Oh you do? Huh?
Speaker 2: All right? You know ship? Sometimes my balls just hanging out.
Speaker 2: I asked my dad. I said, Dad, why to have
Speaker 2: my balls out?
Speaker 7: I saw that war games too, Rob. I asked my dad,
Speaker 7: I said, Dad, why are my balls hanging out?
Speaker 2: He looked me with a funny face and just burnt
Speaker 2: and said.
Speaker 7: Fuck it. So my daddy said, right, I'll see he
Speaker 7: was he was trimming his beard.
Speaker 3: He was.
Speaker 2: She's out there with decisions, just trimming his damn bead,
Speaker 2: is it?
Speaker 4: And Rob?
Speaker 3: And he's trimming his beard?
Speaker 10: And Rob, just put your fucking balls back in your
Speaker 10: paint his balls or I'm gonna cut him off with decisions.
Speaker 7: Not the rest of the balls. That is funny, Like
Speaker 7: someone a guy like his zippers opened, his flies open
Speaker 7: and his balls were hanging out, but not his dick.
Speaker 7: That's a sight to behold, just like.
Speaker 2: The same way as you goddamn car.
Speaker 7: Just his balls resting on Khaki.
Speaker 3: It's like this fucking like fucking fell out of it
Speaker 3: like somehow, so they just fell out of the fucking zipper.
Speaker 7: The bottom falls out. Excuse me, sir, what are those?
Speaker 7: Those are my nuts, ma'am.
Speaker 3: Those balls are as smooth as.
Speaker 5: He sent my church a case of being sausages, and
Speaker 5: I sent him an autograph picture.
Speaker 7: Fucking fucking watch don't know? Don't you dare not in
Speaker 7: the sid tribute. I don't have the capacity.
Speaker 2: What's good?
Speaker 7: Bos?
Speaker 9: What's good?
Speaker 16: Bitch?
Speaker 7: What's wrong with It's a great question, rogers? What's wrong
Speaker 7: with Roger?
Speaker 8: What's wrong with pussy? Milton read?
Speaker 7: Oh, Milton read is what's wrong with a little?
Speaker 3: Oh my god? What did he say?
Speaker 7: Milton read like that?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's the greatest thing, Milton Milton read.
Speaker 7: That's what you're missing under the cinemat folks, that's the
Speaker 7: great Roger Moore, one of the great double oh seven's.
Speaker 3: Oh my god?
Speaker 8: What's wrong with pussy crock? That is?
Speaker 7: That is a problematic byproduct? That's true.
Speaker 3: Okay, alright, alright, okay, okay.
Speaker 7: Your dumb foot? Who is that freaking cheek?
Speaker 4: No doubt.
Speaker 17: Picture wrestling fans have been tripping last wrestling fans trick.
Speaker 7: Those balls?
Speaker 4: I wish you.
Speaker 3: Are very good.
Speaker 7: It's like a tapestry.
Speaker 3: It's like.
Speaker 7: It's like the Guernica painting. By Picasso. Just Milton, that
Speaker 7: was very very naughty of you, Bob. I don't think
Speaker 7: the people are ready for that, I really do. I
Speaker 7: think they know anything about what that just happened.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Milton read to understand. Like also his
Speaker 3: voice by that point, you know, as he got older,
Speaker 3: his voice just somehow got deeper and deeper and deeper
Speaker 3: and deeper.
Speaker 7: Absolutely it did.
Speaker 3: Oh god? Anyway, Uh what the representations? Yeah, wrestler here
Speaker 3: about represents and warrens w c w's follows. A wrestler
Speaker 3: has a full power, authority, ability and legal right.
Speaker 7: To execute who ye, right he do? I get to execute?
Speaker 7: O Hogan?
Speaker 3: What Michaels, Sam Michaels, Big Daddy code Diesel say, those
Speaker 3: are w W guys.
Speaker 8: You know we don't we don't.
Speaker 3: You know we've got national Hogan here, but you're not Diesel.
Speaker 7: Why are you looking at me, Harvey Schiller?
Speaker 3: Is it because I'm not a big movie star?
Speaker 8: Oh?
Speaker 3: Ship like the Hulk Hogan, the immortal one himself.
Speaker 7: That would have been a coo to bring in Jack
Speaker 7: Toney to w CW. Imagine him walking out of Nitro
Speaker 7: and like overruling Arth Bishop a riot.
Speaker 3: Thank you Eric, that's that's Jack Toney, s Shavanni. I know,
Speaker 3: I know he'd make the biggest deal out of it fans,
Speaker 3: one of the more god fans.
Speaker 7: He died in twenty oh four. He's available. Did anybody
Speaker 7: ever make a play for Jack Towney. I can picture
Speaker 7: Russa Russo wanted to bring him in just to like
Speaker 7: cover him in dog shit or something.
Speaker 3: Oh you know, he would have done that. I would
Speaker 3: have loved that.
Speaker 7: I think that's the missing piece. When ben Wan won
Speaker 7: the title in ninety nine and at w W Mayhem,
Speaker 7: they should have had him with Jack Toney. He's his manager.
Speaker 3: I think he just said they're like half asleep, not
Speaker 3: knowing where the fuck he is. And they put a
Speaker 3: rocking chair at ringside, just like that Tuesday in Texas, right,
Speaker 3: you know, they put out the chair for him so
Speaker 3: he can watch it gets fucking knocked over the.
Speaker 7: Ah instead of instead of like Sting descending from the rafters,
Speaker 7: Jack Toney descends.
Speaker 3: Could you imagine all of a sudden and he comes
Speaker 3: out as fast as as Sting would, His arms just
Speaker 3: fucking like he looks like a corpse. Honestly, you know,
Speaker 3: his arm's just fucking dangling.
Speaker 7: It's funny. I called an audible there. I wasn't going
Speaker 7: to say Jack Tundy descends, but then I realized it
Speaker 7: was pretty funny. But what I was gonna say is,
Speaker 7: instead of singing, they put a tuna steak on the
Speaker 7: on the cable and they descend it down onto Tony's.
Speaker 3: Face as he lays on the on the mat in
Speaker 3: the ring. You know, a thought, and he sells it
Speaker 3: like an octopus. Is like bothering him. Just imagine that
Speaker 3: old man writhing on the floor with a fucking piece
Speaker 3: of meat. Weish meat on his face.
Speaker 7: Thinking of about Jack Tunny like we really don't other situations.
Speaker 3: You know, he really deserved more than he got.
Speaker 7: He did, absolutely he did.
Speaker 3: Like he he he could have been such an asset
Speaker 3: to w CW and is whenever he winded, he he
Speaker 3: left in like ninety five. Oh my god, you imagine
Speaker 3: if he fucking jumped ship.
Speaker 7: That's been so funny.
Speaker 3: I'm if he fucking became like n w O.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's like them straight, like the corrupt lawyer for
Speaker 7: them for life. My god, that's been great, I think.
Speaker 3: And so to see him wearing like to see him
Speaker 3: wearing the same gray slacks, but with a with a
Speaker 3: fucking nWo T shirt.
Speaker 7: Oh my god, boss, you're fucking electrifying.
Speaker 3: Me, and like in like sunglasses and a leather jacket.
Speaker 7: Back then, you heard about every making a play for everybody.
Speaker 7: They would have taken anybody from WWF just to fuck
Speaker 7: with Vince.
Speaker 3: Ah, that would have been tremendous. See him just completely
Speaker 3: like get out of context. Yeah yeah. Oh. To execute
Speaker 3: and deliver this agreement and to perform his obligations here under,
Speaker 3: including to utilize the names sid Vicious in connection here
Speaker 3: with B Wrestler has all legal rights, power and authority
Speaker 3: and ability to convey the work product WCW. This agreement
Speaker 3: constitutes illegal, valid, and lawfully behind an obligation of Wrestler,
Speaker 3: and it's enforceable in accordance with its terms. The execution, delivery,
Speaker 3: and performance this agreement have been consented to and authorized
Speaker 3: by all individuals or entities required to consent to or
Speaker 3: authorize the same, will not contravene any law, regulation, judgment,
Speaker 3: or decree applicable to Wrestler, and will not cause or
Speaker 3: result in a breach of or default under any other agreement,
Speaker 3: contract or understanding to each wrestler is a party. There
Speaker 3: are no pending claims my kind of party. Yes, there
Speaker 3: are no pending claims or litigation which would or might
Speaker 3: interfere with the performance of wrestler's obligations or the enjoyment
Speaker 3: of I'm not here for people's enjoyment. I'm not here
Speaker 3: for you enjoy Why are you making me enjoy people?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 7: That is the question. Well, good thing had cleared up
Speaker 7: the arn and some lawsuit by then, because that would
Speaker 7: be a problematic clause for.
Speaker 3: Him, I would imagine, So, I would imagine. So it's absurd.
Speaker 3: Negations disagree. Wrestlers not currently using enduring the term disagreement
Speaker 3: shall not use any illegal drugs, steroids, or other substances
Speaker 3: prohibited by WSW.
Speaker 7: It is in the contract. It is prohibited from using steroids.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure that really stopped.
Speaker 7: Where's the enforcement provision on that one?
Speaker 1: The la fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows
Speaker 1: the boys need their candy, it's the Lampsed Fan. He's
Speaker 1: a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and carn.
Speaker 3: J And where's uh, Yeah, who enforces that on Randy Savage?
Speaker 7: Right? By the way, this contract you probably got that
Speaker 7: that sentence ex sized entire roe.
Speaker 3: I wanna tell you something I don't want telling you right, No,
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna do that one. Let's have that one.
Speaker 3: You know what, Let's just say, you know what, let's
Speaker 3: just say we turned a blind eye, right, and we're
Speaker 3: gonna remove that one.
Speaker 7: Plan using steroids. Yeah, I told you I didn't.
Speaker 3: I know, I'm not planning to use the steroids. I'm
Speaker 3: not gonna not do steroids. We just want to kind
Speaker 3: of keep that last one.
Speaker 8: What.
Speaker 3: I just went around did the business. I did the thing,
Speaker 3: getting it, doing one, two, three, up and down and
Speaker 3: all around.
Speaker 7: Think you just said I just went around and did
Speaker 7: the business. It was like it took a ship to me.
Speaker 7: And he says, like, I don't plan on using steroids.
Speaker 7: So I don't know why there's a line in my
Speaker 7: contract saying I won't do it. I don't plan on
Speaker 7: doing it.
Speaker 3: I don't plan on doing it. I'm not saying that
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do it. I'm not saying I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: do it. I just can tell you right now, on
Speaker 3: top of things, if we're talking about where we're seeing
Speaker 3: to eye right now, I'm not gonna do it. I
Speaker 3: don't plan on doing it, so why do we have
Speaker 3: it in the contract? You know, nothing to worry about me.
Speaker 3: I've been there, I've done it. I've gone round and
Speaker 3: round before, I've gone up and down the mountain. I've
Speaker 3: gone up and down the staircase. I've seen things with
Speaker 3: one eye. I've seen other things with the I've done.
Speaker 7: No well sees things with one eye. Jr.
Speaker 3: I mean Captain Jim Ross to be the pirate?
Speaker 7: I mean I don't want to be. I don't want
Speaker 7: to be a stickler for this. But are we just
Speaker 7: gonna list What shouldn't the contract just listings I'm going
Speaker 7: to do?
Speaker 3: Why shouldn't I just don't understand. I'm sitting here wondering
Speaker 3: exactly what we're trying to get a hold of.
Speaker 7: I'm not gonna do steroids, and it's an ineur SYSM
Speaker 7: do stearis. There's a lot of things I'm not gonna do.
Speaker 7: Do we have to enumerate every one of them in
Speaker 7: the contract? Why does the contract have to say what
Speaker 7: I'm doing?
Speaker 3: A right? No, I'm not gonna do the j O
Speaker 3: Beata Hooven do Guerrera put that in there? Everybody putting
Speaker 3: mad in the contract, seeing establish'll not do a job.
Speaker 3: But I ain't planning to lose that fucking freak.
Speaker 7: God, just like I ain't planning on doing steroids.
Speaker 3: I'm not planning on doing steroids. I don't intend to
Speaker 3: do steroids. I think what we gotta do, what we
Speaker 3: should plan on, is take that part of the contract
Speaker 3: out a commission. Bingo, you nailed it.
Speaker 7: Feel proud of yourself. You landed the plane.
Speaker 12: Oh god.
Speaker 3: Uh. Wrestler agrees indemnify, defend, and hold harmless wsw IS directors, officers, shareholders,
Speaker 3: and their respective agents, officers and employees against any and
Speaker 3: all suits, Damages, expenses, including without limitation, court costs, attorneys fees,
Speaker 3: out lookable.
Speaker 7: Like that word.
Speaker 3: Right the way he says it, out lookable, costs of
Speaker 3: in house counsel, losses. I don't plan on losing. In fact,
Speaker 3: I intend I have an undefeated streak. That's my plan. Liabilities.
Speaker 7: Ask your question, but do you really have to tell
Speaker 7: a wrestler to hold harmless?
Speaker 3: It's that kind of the whole point. Well, it depends
Speaker 3: on who you are. It was was sitting known for
Speaker 3: holding harmless, not if your shirt jobs. That's true, That
Speaker 3: is true, harmless losss, liabilities and claims of any kind
Speaker 3: caused by or resulting from any breach, disagreement, or by
Speaker 3: any other act or omission of wrestler, whether the same
Speaker 3: may be the result of negligence, willful act, responsibility under
Speaker 3: strict liability standards, any other substandard conduct, or otherwise. Wrestler
Speaker 3: shall at all times be responsible for any loss or
Speaker 3: damage to any WCW property by wrestler or while in
Speaker 3: the possession of wrestler, unless said damage occurs at the
Speaker 3: time direct instruction of WCW as part of a storyline.
Speaker 7: It's pretty funny that to put that in there, the lass.
Speaker 3: That's hilarious, Like, okay, I guess, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 3: There are other ways that do you really need to
Speaker 3: say that?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 7: You have to stipulate that we're not going to come
Speaker 7: after you for breaking a car if we direct it
Speaker 7: or break the car.
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe maybe it is for his protection, but
Speaker 3: still that's fucking lame if you ask me. But whatever
Speaker 3: the loss or damage here, there too shall be restored
Speaker 3: at wrestler's expense term termination incapacity, unless sooner terminated in
Speaker 3: accordance with the provisions of this agreement. The term of
Speaker 3: this agreement shall be as described in Exhibit A attached
Speaker 3: here to and incorporated here in by reference. You read that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the terminus agreement shall be divided into consecutive one year periods.
Speaker 3: During any such period, WSHW may terminate this agreement with
Speaker 3: or without cause, but after giving wrestler at least three
Speaker 3: months prior written notice.
Speaker 7: Is that normal notice?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Ninety days?
Speaker 3: Yep, you get so, we're gonna fire you in ninety days,
Speaker 3: even if it does something really bad.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3: It seems weird.
Speaker 7: Yeah, get your affairs in order. That seems so fucking
Speaker 7: weird to me. Whatever, I guess.
Speaker 3: Where was I? Wrestler may terminate this agreement upon the
Speaker 3: occurrence of any material breach of any provision here up
Speaker 3: by WSW which remains uncured for a period of fifteen
Speaker 3: consecutive days after wrestlers provide WSW with written notice of
Speaker 3: the breach. W CW may immediately terminate this agreement upon
Speaker 3: the occurrence or at any time during the continuation of
Speaker 3: any material breach of any provision wrestler. Any provision hereo
Speaker 3: by wrestler. Okay, so that's if he does a breach,
Speaker 3: so he has to give them fifteen days to fix
Speaker 3: it and they interminate him at them at the moment
Speaker 3: for a breach contract.
Speaker 8: Wow.
Speaker 7: Yeah, So I guess there's a different term for breach
Speaker 7: versus just we want to.
Speaker 3: Get rid of you Jesus Christ. I mean, hey, whatever,
Speaker 3: but like that's wow, that's intense. That's intense. So I'll
Speaker 3: just say that that is intense. Wrestler may terminate this
Speaker 3: agreement or suspend wrestler or ww rather w CWY may
Speaker 3: terminate this agreement or suspend wrestler without pay for good
Speaker 3: calls by written notice setting forth the reason for such
Speaker 3: termination or suspension for the purpose is disagree WWWWW now
Speaker 3: have good cause for termination of wrestler's agreement or suspension
Speaker 3: without pay if wrestler is convicted of, or please guilty to,
Speaker 3: any felony or a crime involving theft, fraud, or moral turpetua.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 7: Interesting what that they well that they have grounds to
Speaker 7: terminate the deal.
Speaker 3: If you get.
Speaker 7: You gain trouble. Outside of the wrestling organizations, there certainly
Speaker 7: a lot of guys Scott Hall, Eddie Guerrero that had
Speaker 7: brushes with the law when they were under WSW contract,
Speaker 7: and they certainly didn't get rid of them, but they
Speaker 7: had grounds too. If this is boilerplate, that's wild and
Speaker 7: it's a felony or a crime involving theft fraud, so
Speaker 7: those could be misdemeanors too that are covered. What that
Speaker 7: wouldn't cover a crime involving theft, fraud or moral Yeah,
Speaker 7: I guess jaywalking. Well yeah, okay, right, that's funny. Actually, yeah,
Speaker 7: like there's very little not covered there, but that's one
Speaker 7: pass to mind j.
Speaker 3: That would be absolute hilarious. If wrestler intentionally violates any law, rule, regulation,
Speaker 3: or order of any governmental authority, thereby exposing ww IS,
Speaker 3: parent subsidiaries, or any affiliatedity of the WCWT potential civil
Speaker 3: or criminal penalties. If wrestler fails adequately or completely perform
Speaker 3: any of his duties or obligations here under, whether express
Speaker 3: or implied. If wrestler fails to follow the direction ww's officers.
Speaker 3: If wrestler engages and conduct or activities involved in moral
Speaker 3: turpitude materially damaging to the business or reputation WCW. If
Speaker 3: wrestler violates the WCW Substance Abuse Policy. If wrestler otherwise
Speaker 3: breaches any provision representation of this agreement. If wrestler intentionally
Speaker 3: misappropriates for his own purpose and benefit and any property
Speaker 3: of the WCW, its parent subsidiaries, or any affiliated entity
Speaker 3: of WW, or appropriates appropriates any corporate opportunity of WW,
Speaker 3: its parent subsidiaries, or any affiliated unity of WCW, wrestler
Speaker 3: acknowledges that a waiver by WCW of its rights was
Speaker 3: respect to any provision of this paragraph in one instance,
Speaker 3: will not be deemed to constitute a waiver of its
Speaker 3: rights with respect to the same, or a similar breach thereafter.
Speaker 9: I just want to let you know that I'm letting
Speaker 9: your feazy this time, but this waiver does not constitute
Speaker 9: a waiver of all rights with respect of the same.
Speaker 3: I just want let you know something.
Speaker 7: This is not a waiver of my right of obligation,
Speaker 7: right bingo.
Speaker 8: Or lack thereof?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 12: Right?
Speaker 3: Well, clearly, this agreement shall terminate automatically upon my death.
Speaker 7: You can finish it started.
Speaker 3: Agreement shall terminate automatically upon the death of wrestler brother.
Speaker 8: What do you.
Speaker 3: Mean, death of wrestler brother?
Speaker 8: What do you.
Speaker 7: What's that in there? Did that go without song? Why
Speaker 7: does that have to be in black?
Speaker 3: And why are you talking about? I mean, what are
Speaker 3: you implying, dude?
Speaker 7: Shouldn't there be more in there about like what happens
Speaker 7: if someone else, if someone's found guilty of that death
Speaker 7: or me?
Speaker 8: What do you.
Speaker 3: On the front do you try to say?
Speaker 7: If you want to get out of this contract with
Speaker 7: Hulk Hogan, you have the incentive to kill him?
Speaker 3: Brother? Are you Are you saying you can kill Hulk Hogan? Right?
Speaker 7: Are you saying that you give the authority to kill
Speaker 7: Hulk Hogan? I don't know why else that contract clause
Speaker 7: would be in there, brother.
Speaker 3: I Brother, I feel like I'm getting well, you know what, dude,
Speaker 3: I just h Terry. I I just want to get
Speaker 3: it on the same page. Brother, it's all masking, Dude,
Speaker 3: I want you know dollar in.
Speaker 7: You don't say you don't say Terry uh he wants
Speaker 7: to dial it in ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 8: M and just.
Speaker 3: You're back on track, dude. I'm just feeling a little.
Speaker 7: Says death And you can understand, brother, I get a
Speaker 7: little wide eyed at that.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm call it like you know, we're talking
Speaker 3: about why I'm a white glide?
Speaker 7: Brother coming at me wide open? Is what you're doing?
Speaker 3: Why didn't say that?
Speaker 8: Dude?
Speaker 7: I mean, you know Rex flaor brother? He comes at
Speaker 7: you wide open? B What does that even mean? Ogan?
Speaker 7: What is that even?
Speaker 8: Where?
Speaker 3: I just wonder where were coming from.
Speaker 7: And coming from behind? Ooh, pull up, like to pull
Speaker 7: up to hulk, like gassing up at at a gas station.
Speaker 3: Excuse me?
Speaker 7: Sure, I'm looking for directions? Time to get back on
Speaker 7: the turn pike. Where He goes, where are you coming
Speaker 7: from from behind?
Speaker 12: What?
Speaker 3: What are you from from behind?
Speaker 7: What do you turn around? You've been talking to you?
Speaker 7: Dude looks around like who's giving you? He looks it,
Speaker 7: looks at his eleven o'clock is six o'clock is four o'clock.
Speaker 7: He's looking everywhere around.
Speaker 3: Are you getting a push?
Speaker 2: Dude?
Speaker 3: Shock the easy brother to shock. A Bischoff.
Speaker 7: Truck is stuck in a snow bank. Everyone's in there
Speaker 7: trying to push it out. He goes, you're giving push?
Speaker 7: Is this a push in the making?
Speaker 3: Brother? Can you give me a push?
Speaker 7: What I need to?
Speaker 3: Might?
Speaker 7: Give me a push?
Speaker 3: Sir? Yeah, we're good. What I want to tell you
Speaker 3: right now, dude? Do you mind giving you a push
Speaker 3: for that? I don't know what your credentials are.
Speaker 7: Come at me like wide open like that. What do
Speaker 7: you expect me to say? Cross? Can you give me
Speaker 7: a push? Guys, now you've asked if.
Speaker 3: You can have a push. Hey, I'm gonna stuck over here?
Speaker 3: Can you give me a push?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 2: Whoa?
Speaker 4: Whoa?
Speaker 7: Before his horse?
Speaker 3: We're talking about I mean, we're talking about that. We're
Speaker 3: putting the kids before his brother.
Speaker 7: His word for horse.
Speaker 3: His it's word for card kids.
Speaker 7: Choosy mom's choose kids.
Speaker 3: And we're putting you. You know, I feel like you're
Speaker 3: putting the kids before that his dude, me too. Actually,
Speaker 3: uh so you say you're stuck, brother, we've all been
Speaker 3: kind of in a rut, Dude. I've I've been kind
Speaker 3: of in that little thing. You kind of get to that,
Speaker 3: you'll get over that next obstacle. Brother. But you're saying,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm stuck right now due to my career
Speaker 3: and where I am in the ring. Brother, And so
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go out to Hulk Hogan kind of like
Speaker 3: butter him up a little bit, brother, and I'm gonna
Speaker 3: ask for a push, dude, get his title, brother, get
Speaker 3: his torch, dude, and take Dubble's show to that next level.
Speaker 7: He says, take w'sw to that next list, Like that's
Speaker 7: like that's a paranoid thing to say, Like that's gonna
Speaker 7: be afraid of if he's gonna do it that next
Speaker 7: he just speaks of these vagaries for the rest of
Speaker 7: his time on earthuntil he's in the ground. Dial it in.
Speaker 3: This thing's on.
Speaker 7: None of it is ever true, you know, just.
Speaker 3: Bizarre, bizarre paranoia about random ship that like nobody cares about.
Speaker 3: People are just trying to live their normal.
Speaker 7: I mean steal. This agreement shall terminate automatically upon the
Speaker 7: death of wrestler and he's slammed on the brakes.
Speaker 3: WHOA, I gotta f up with gas, dude?
Speaker 4: Whoa whoa?
Speaker 3: Whoa dude?
Speaker 4: Whoa whoa?
Speaker 3: Brother? Whoa Let's just slow this thing down, to slow
Speaker 3: the machine down?
Speaker 9: Brother?
Speaker 3: What's the diz and death of wrestler?
Speaker 8: Dude?
Speaker 7: The death of a salesman?
Speaker 3: Dude? Who's are we talking?
Speaker 7: Always a promising preamble?
Speaker 3: Are we talking?
Speaker 7: It's good?
Speaker 3: That's good?
Speaker 7: What's next? The following shell govern.
Speaker 3: Are we talking Arthur Miller? Dude? A death of a
Speaker 3: what we're talking Arthur the cat Miller. Are we talking
Speaker 3: another cat, dude?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 7: Exactly how many cats were we talking about? We already
Speaker 7: have one Miller brother, I means.
Speaker 3: We got one Miller dude, we've got two cats. We
Speaker 3: got what I won't always say what's going on?
Speaker 7: Sext Dennis Miller brother?
Speaker 8: What see?
Speaker 7: Okay, I think it's taken us ten years, but this
Speaker 7: is it. This is the heart of it, is that
Speaker 7: Halt is always reacting to the thing you say while
Speaker 7: he was talking. See, he's in the middle of like
Speaker 7: an exposition, and you say something, and it's like he's
Speaker 7: he's he's afraid he missed what you just mumbled.
Speaker 3: Thinking about like this, He's already on a detour, right, okay,
Speaker 3: like he was going he was going down his normal
Speaker 3: path and he's already on like two or three detours,
Speaker 3: and he's trying to just navigate this this last detour,
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden you put in another fucking detour.
Speaker 7: Exactly what like, now I have to incorporate that it's insanity.
Speaker 3: Oh my good, out of town?
Speaker 7: The capacity do you think I have?
Speaker 8: What?
Speaker 7: Like, did you say something else?
Speaker 3: Are you talking about another threat? Dude? Exactly? For this
Speaker 3: purpose show uh. The following shall govern in the event
Speaker 3: of incapacity of wrestler, oh boy, for the purposes disagreement.
Speaker 3: Incapacity shall be defined as wrestler's inability to perform all
Speaker 3: the physical requirements of the services as determined by I'm
Speaker 3: telling you right now, I can get my cock up,
Speaker 3: all right, we're tucking the mutual man. Mutual men can't
Speaker 3: get it hold on the daily face.
Speaker 9: The fuck.
Speaker 7: Not sure. Only macho men get hard on a daily basis,
Speaker 7: with like his shades on.
Speaker 3: The with the thing in the hand like the ring
Speaker 3: finger and a pointer finger, and the thumb on the glasses.
Speaker 7: Landy's got the TV above his bed to prove otherwise,
Speaker 7: this fucking twelve inch dong.
Speaker 3: What okay, Landio okay? Like Landy is the complete opposite
Speaker 3: of that, Like he just he he chooses to just
Speaker 3: lay flaccid forever. All right, Oh my god, that would
Speaker 3: God imagine kind of like you know, again, here we go,
Speaker 3: Like I imagine him, He's laying on his bed and
Speaker 3: it's just kind of like drooping over his fucking legs.
Speaker 3: All right, I don't care.
Speaker 7: What else you're about to say. We've already found the
Speaker 7: heart of the matter, it's not flaccid. You think flacid
Speaker 7: is the most important detail there, right, that that really
Speaker 7: is what lands the plane. No, the keyword there, I
Speaker 7: think you can agree, is not flaccid. It's chooses, right,
Speaker 7: because chooses puts it in this whole other category of
Speaker 7: almost like a capitulation. Yeah, he's he's he has he's
Speaker 7: certain fatalism about it.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 7: It's like he knows, he knows it will do him
Speaker 7: no good to get hard. And so despite the fact
Speaker 7: that he's hung like a fucking horse, he just chooses
Speaker 7: not to get it up. Is he chooses to lay flaccid,
Speaker 7: which I think is just as poetic is we're gonna
Speaker 7: get on this podcast. Chooses. I mean, that's like, that's
Speaker 7: like the great ending line of like a short poem.
Speaker 7: I don't know what the rest says, but the last
Speaker 7: line of it is and through it all he chooses
Speaker 7: to lay flaccid after all, you know what I mean,
Speaker 7: in light or in spite of it all, rest in peace.
Speaker 3: That's straight. All three of them.
Speaker 7: Ship that's true. That's actually true?
Speaker 3: All right? How does that feel? Not great?
Speaker 8: Not at all?
Speaker 3: They talked about what episode Wasn't that they talked about
Speaker 3: Lanny Lanny Lane choosing to lay flaccid. That was the
Speaker 3: SID contract episode.
Speaker 7: Yeah, this one's gonna be one where there's a lot
Speaker 7: of Easter eggs.
Speaker 3: For purpose of this agreement, incapacity shall be defined as
Speaker 3: wrestlers inability to perform all the physical requirements of the
Speaker 3: services as determined by w CW. WCW may, at its
Speaker 3: option and expense, require wrestler to be evaluated by physicians
Speaker 3: selected by w CW for purposes of determination of incapacity. Wow, well,
Speaker 3: now you know, we just want to determine exactly how
Speaker 3: in capacitory you.
Speaker 7: I wonder why that clause would have to be in
Speaker 7: sid's contract.
Speaker 3: See, we just wondering exactly what is incapacitating about you?
Speaker 7: Because we've heard that, uh, you're good at manufacturing incapacity.
Speaker 3: We understand that you have had some, uh some fraudulent
Speaker 3: incapacities in the past.
Speaker 7: Understanding you've even gone back to your hotel when you
Speaker 7: thought you're having a heart attack, for instance.
Speaker 3: We understand that you've even you know, you went, you know,
Speaker 3: you went back to a hotel and had yourself you know,
Speaker 3: you went by the hotel. If you're having a heart
Speaker 3: attack and had a burger right and and and a
Speaker 3: raw stake.
Speaker 7: Second one.
Speaker 3: I don't get, but.
Speaker 7: This is going to be important because not only does
Speaker 7: said snap his leg at sin, he claims that he
Speaker 7: was basically forced to do it. And maybe some of
Speaker 7: these contractual terms explain the basis for.
Speaker 3: The month to you right now, I'm not normally obligated
Speaker 3: to fulfilled contractual obligations by nuntil you right now. I
Speaker 3: was forced. I was forced to jump against my will,
Speaker 3: and I was forced to break my leg against my will.
Speaker 7: Correct, I did not.
Speaker 3: I did not allow somebody to break my leg. Somebody
Speaker 3: forced it upon me. I'll force my broken leg up
Speaker 3: your ass. In the event of capacity, wrestler shall continue
Speaker 3: to receive his filled compensation.
Speaker 7: Well, forget it, so much for discouraging him from manufacturing
Speaker 7: a reason and incompaciated for.
Speaker 3: First community of thirty counter days of incapacity for contract
Speaker 3: year and the agreement that show remained in full force.
Speaker 3: All right, So just thirty days of pay so he
Speaker 3: gets through, Okay, okay. If wrestler remains incapacitated after the
Speaker 3: initial initial thirty day incapacity period, whether consecutive or not,
Speaker 3: wswshow have the option at any point during which wrestler
Speaker 3: thereafter remains incapacity to terminate this agreement without further obligation.
Speaker 7: Sounds like what the Huff Houston fires Steve Boston.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, unless and until wswshall exercise such right to
Speaker 3: terminate this agreement on the basis of incapacity, wswsholla continue
Speaker 3: to pay wrestler on this agreement at the rate of
Speaker 3: one third of the compensation otherwise payable here under or
Speaker 3: B utilized wrestler for non wrestling services, and pay wrestler
Speaker 3: at the rate of one half of the competation otherwise
Speaker 3: payable here under. Wrestler's ability to perform non wrestling services
Speaker 3: shall be determined by ww while wrestlers being paid pursuant
Speaker 3: to for A or B all other terms, this agreement
Speaker 3: shall remain in full force.
Speaker 7: So there it is thirty days full pay, and then
Speaker 7: after that, if you're still incapacitated, and if WCW does
Speaker 7: not exercise it's right to terminate the agreement, he's going
Speaker 7: to get thirty three and a third of the compensation otherwise.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, well there you go. H Wait, No, five, yeah, five?
Speaker 3: Any reduction in compensation pursuing this section shall cease upon
Speaker 3: the earlier of a determination that wrestlers again able to
Speaker 3: perform all the physical requirements of the services. B the
Speaker 3: expirationist agreement or c the termination disagreement by w CW
Speaker 3: as provided for Herein H, wrestler acknowledges his president eligibility
Speaker 3: for workers compensation through WW workers Compensation.
Speaker 7: Well, I thought that was the rest of the contract.
Speaker 3: Yeah, For so long as WW maintains workers compensation coverage,
Speaker 3: wrestler agrees to accept the benefits provided by said workers
Speaker 3: compensation coverage, as is so an exclusive remedy against WCW,
Speaker 3: including his parent, affiliates, employees, and agents, for any and
Speaker 3: all injuries sustained during the term provided said coverage is
Speaker 3: maintained by w CW, and is an effect with respect
Speaker 3: to such injury. Notwithstanding any anything here into the contrary,
Speaker 3: WW shall not be obligated Y to maintain workers' compensation coverage.
Speaker 7: WCWS shall not be obligated said, I.
Speaker 3: Don't believe that I'm not obligated to not obligate.
Speaker 7: Right, I'm not obligated to knowledge obligation.
Speaker 3: I'm not obligated to disobligate exactly. Obligation exactly.
Speaker 7: And this would be hyper relevant for sid here as
Speaker 7: you can imagine sure warfare comp stuff.
Speaker 3: Number nine restrictive covenance A confidentiality. Confidential information shall mean
Speaker 3: any confidential, proprietary business information or data belonging to or
Speaker 3: pertaining to WCW that does not constitute a trade secret
Speaker 3: as define unapplicable law, and that is not generally known
Speaker 3: by or available through legal means to the public. In
Speaker 3: recognition of ww's need to protect its legitimate business interests.
Speaker 7: Legitimate business interests really where those it has a legitimate
Speaker 7: business I may be h have ready to rumble since
Speaker 7: I haven't seen it yet.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Wrestler here by covenants and agree he's a wrestler, shall not,
Speaker 3: unless specifically directed by WCW, for any reason or any fashion,
Speaker 3: either directly or indirectly, use this close, transfer a sign, disseminate, reproduce, copy,
Speaker 3: or otherwise communicate any confidential information at all times during
Speaker 3: his contractual relationship with WCW and for a period of
Speaker 3: one year following the termination thereof, for any reason, and
Speaker 3: trade secrets at all times. Such information remains a trade
Speaker 3: secret under applicable.
Speaker 7: Laws pretty well during the he's free to talk about
Speaker 7: confidential information after a year, right, know why they wouldn't just.
Speaker 3: I know, I guess you can't.
Speaker 7: But why one year? I don't get it.
Speaker 3: I know that doesn't make much sense at all.
Speaker 7: In a year he gets terminated in a year after
Speaker 7: he can just talk about everything, Like, why can't you
Speaker 7: just talk about it right away? Who goes a fuck
Speaker 7: about that year he's gone.
Speaker 3: I know it's weird because they get a chance to, like,
Speaker 3: I don't know, re reorganize it or whatever.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, maybe they can take that time to come
Speaker 7: to some other agreement with him, I don't know, and
Speaker 7: not be worried the whole time that he's going to
Speaker 7: go chirping about something he got screwed over on. It's like,
Speaker 7: let us give us a year to make it right
Speaker 7: before you're you're allowed to tell everybody about it.
Speaker 3: It's just weird. Uh Where was I there?
Speaker 7: Bottom of page ten. During the term wrestler shall oh yeah.
Speaker 3: During the term, wrestler shall exercise his best efforts to
Speaker 3: ensure the continued confidentiality of all trade secrets and confidential
Speaker 3: information WW known by disclosed to or made available to Wrestler,
Speaker 3: whether in connection with his agreement or any other past
Speaker 3: or present relationship with w CW immediately notified WHW of
Speaker 3: any unauthorized disclosure or use of any trade secrets or
Speaker 3: confidential information of which Wrestler becomes aware. And it's just
Speaker 3: w W G the extent necessary in the in the
Speaker 3: procurement of, of of of or any protection of w
Speaker 3: w's rights to or in any other trade secrets or
Speaker 3: confidential information, and compete. Here we go. Non competition during
Speaker 3: the term and within the territory of this agreement. Brother territory? Dude?
Speaker 3: Is this company in what we're talking about? What do
Speaker 3: we was before? Are we talking to Georgia territory? This agreement?
Speaker 3: I mean it's Atlanta, brother, But are we what do
Speaker 3: we m whose territory?
Speaker 8: I mean?
Speaker 3: More importantly, dude, Who's territory?
Speaker 7: More importantly, Yes, of course, more importantly.
Speaker 3: During a ternment within the territory disagreement, Wrestler shall perform
Speaker 3: the services exclusively for WW, and shall not directly or
Speaker 3: indirectly be employed by, performed services for, or engage or
Speaker 3: be connected in any manner with any other businesses in
Speaker 3: business entity without the express written consent of WCW.
Speaker 1: It's the Lapan Wrestling Podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows
Speaker 1: the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's
Speaker 1: the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and SEO and.
Speaker 3: J Wrestler expressly covenants and agrees that, for a period
Speaker 3: of one hundred and twenty days after any termination or
Speaker 3: expiration disagreement for any reason the non compete period, he
Speaker 3: shall not provide those services specifically delegated in Sections one A,
Speaker 3: one and two to any other individual, company or business
Speaker 3: in the United States, Canada, and Japan. In addition, during
Speaker 3: the non compete so we could do it in Europe,
Speaker 3: that's right, fine, Yes, he could go to Mexico, no problem,
Speaker 3: Very interesting. Yeah. In addition, during the non compete period,
Speaker 3: Wrestler shall not appear or perform in any media, including,
Speaker 3: but not permitted to broadcast, pay per viewing, cable television,
Speaker 3: video replay, telephone, hotline, radio, magazine, internet, in any manner
Speaker 3: or capacity relating to wrestling or any other related professional
Speaker 3: entertainment or athletic event. For on behalf Top in sports.
Speaker 7: Well, that's any other related professional entertainment athletic event that's
Speaker 7: to cover the WBF lex luger loophole.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, what if we make a movie we
Speaker 3: want sit in it? And why did that?
Speaker 7: It's non compete, don compete. Pal just says he can
Speaker 7: perform in our wrestling.
Speaker 3: Ring, because't you know that's what it is, a gang
Speaker 3: bornant wrestling ring. But I wanted to be in a movie,
Speaker 3: an entertainment vehicle, WBF the movie. We're not talking about
Speaker 3: an entertainment We're talking about entertainment vehicle. Vehicle four. It's
Speaker 3: a different matter.
Speaker 7: The formula one stuff.
Speaker 3: You mean, I believe there is no formula to the
Speaker 3: best entertainment possible. How about there is a formula Formula one,
Speaker 3: Formula two, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 7: How about WBF the movie. I mean, that's what.
Speaker 3: About World Bodybuilding Entertainment, the motion.
Speaker 7: Picture featuring Ye Stratum.
Speaker 3: Ye, what if we have Sid and Gary Stretham posed
Speaker 3: down for entertainment purposes?
Speaker 7: That'd have been another coup, bringing Jack Tunny and bringing
Speaker 7: Gary Stridum.
Speaker 3: Thank god it Do you imagine if fucking Gary stridem
Speaker 3: fucking Nitro that would be wow, oh my god, fucking
Speaker 3: oath such a dufus. I think Ton of Sports Incorporated
Speaker 3: or HHD corporation's ECW in the United States, Canada and Japan,
Speaker 3: or or for broadcasts they're in so they could do
Speaker 3: it in Mexico.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I mean I guess that that's, uh, that's
Speaker 7: a carve out so that they could still make some
Speaker 7: money for one hundred and twenty days. It might be
Speaker 7: hard to might be hard to actually exclude someone from
Speaker 7: working anywhere for one hundred twenty days. I get the
Speaker 7: sense that wings non completes, non competes do cover that
Speaker 7: like anywhere in the world. But yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 7: You think you'd have to limit that a little bit
Speaker 7: to pass legal muscle.
Speaker 3: Now, like you like, you know, this is their job,
Speaker 3: this is what they do to make money. You can't
Speaker 3: really exactly, and you don't want them deny them. You
Speaker 3: got rid of them, right exactly, So what are you
Speaker 3: worried about.
Speaker 7: It's interesting that ECW and WWF are mentioned. I don't
Speaker 7: think it was understood that. I know, WWE's contracts said
Speaker 7: UFC for it was always like they said UFC wasn't competition.
Speaker 7: Yet in their own contracts they would say you couldn't
Speaker 7: fight in UFC, you can't fight legitimately, there's nothing to
Speaker 7: hear about, mma. So Sid could have gone and fought
Speaker 7: in the cage if we wanted.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, can you imagine how we would how
Speaker 3: we were broken in half in like five seconds. Like
Speaker 3: you think about how easily his legs shattered. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: they would imagine his fucking getting one punch by anybody.
Speaker 7: He wouldn't be able to face anybody again after that
Speaker 7: because he never he told himself he was in great
Speaker 7: shape and that he was actually a fighter.
Speaker 3: No, you know, you know, damn well he is. Just
Speaker 3: his bones are just brittle, all right, you know that,
Speaker 3: Like you know, you know when you break you know,
Speaker 3: you break a twig, yes, and you know how hard
Speaker 3: it is to break a twig when it's when it's
Speaker 3: still like the the bark on the inside is still
Speaker 3: is still green. No, no, no, this is like a
Speaker 3: twig that's been on the ground for like two years,
Speaker 3: completely dried out.
Speaker 7: Let's go, boss.
Speaker 3: That's that is the like I imagine, the color of
Speaker 3: Sid's bones are just like they're just brown because they're
Speaker 3: just ready to fucking fall apart. Wow, at any moment.
Speaker 3: His his bone structure is a house of cards.
Speaker 7: Oh, speaking of a house of cards, look how long
Speaker 7: they can extend the non compete period.
Speaker 3: Two Oh, here we go. Wrestler acknowledges that the non
Speaker 3: compete shall be increased to six months in the event
Speaker 3: this this agreement is terminated for good cause pursuing to
Speaker 3: paragraph eight. D Wow.
Speaker 7: So if you do something to fuck up and they
Speaker 7: can fire you for good cause as supposed to just
Speaker 7: because they don't want you anymore for budget cuts, they
Speaker 7: can ice you for six months.
Speaker 3: That's ridiculous. Yeah. See acknowledgment of reasonableness.
Speaker 7: That goes without saying. But I guess you got to
Speaker 7: bury it in the contract somewhere.
Speaker 3: Apparently the party's express acknowledged reasonableness and content of the
Speaker 3: covenants and Agreements containing this section ten Notices. All notices
Speaker 3: and statements provided for or required by this Agreement shall
Speaker 3: be in riding and shall be delivered personally to the
Speaker 3: other designated party or mailed by certified or registered mail
Speaker 3: return receipt requested or deposited with recognized National Overweight Courier
Speaker 3: Service Overnight Overweight Overweight Overweight notices shall be deemed effective
Speaker 3: on the earlier on the earlier of when hand delivered,
Speaker 3: when deposited with a recognized national overnight courier service, or
Speaker 3: when received by mail. So wait a minute, it's effective
Speaker 3: on either when it's hand delivered or when deposited, or
Speaker 3: when received by mail. So when is it? When? Is
Speaker 3: it effective any number of times? I mean it's like
Speaker 3: can be effective any time, and it also is never
Speaker 3: effective right miscellaneous. A. This agreement and the document's reference
Speaker 3: here and contain the entire agreement and understanding, and it
Speaker 3: shall supersede all prior agreements or understandings concerning the subject
Speaker 3: matter hereof between the parties here too. No waiver, termination,
Speaker 3: or discharge this agreement, or any of the terms or
Speaker 3: provisions hereof shall be binding upon either party here too,
Speaker 3: unless confirmed in writing. This agreement may not be modified
Speaker 3: or amended. Huh may not be modified. This agreement may
Speaker 3: not be modified or amended except by writing executed by
Speaker 3: both parties. No waiver by either party of any term
Speaker 3: or provision of this agreement, or of any default here
Speaker 3: under show affects such parties rights hereafter hereafter to enforce
Speaker 3: such term or provision, or to exercise any right or
Speaker 3: remedy any event of any other default, whether or not similar. B.
Speaker 7: What is this agreement of product of SHID what is
Speaker 7: this agreement?
Speaker 3: Of product of This agreement is a product of arms
Speaker 3: length negotiations between Wrestler and w c Wrestler expressly states
Speaker 3: that he has had the opportunity to seek and obtain
Speaker 3: consultation in connection with the Negotiation and Executions Agreement, and
Speaker 3: how he fully understands the rights and obligations set forth
Speaker 3: here in in the Construction and Interpretations Agreement. Now account
Speaker 3: shall be taking of which party requested or drafted any
Speaker 3: particular provision or provisions of this agreement, regardless of the
Speaker 3: place of execution hereof this agreement. In all amendments here too,
Speaker 3: shall be deemed who have been negotiated, made entered into,
Speaker 3: and fully performed in the State of Georgia, without regard
Speaker 3: to the actual location at which Wrestler provides services a WCW.
Speaker 3: This agreement shall be governed by and construed exclusively in
Speaker 3: accordance with the laws of the State of Georgia applicable
Speaker 3: to contracts made, entered into, and performed entirety entirely therein,
Speaker 3: without giving effect to its conflict of laws provisions. Wrestler
Speaker 3: and w CW here by submit to the urisdiction of
Speaker 3: the United States District Court from the Northern District of Georgia,
Speaker 3: and if any Georgia State Court sitting in Atlanta, for
Speaker 3: the purposes of all legal proceedings arising out of or
Speaker 3: relating to disagree.
Speaker 7: So taking a long time to get sid to quote,
Speaker 7: submit to the jurisdiction of the Old States for sure.
Speaker 3: And irrevocably waive, to the fullest extent permitted by law,
Speaker 3: any objection which it may now or hereafter have to
Speaker 3: the venue or of any such proceeding which is brought
Speaker 3: in such a court. Additionally, the parties here to you
Speaker 3: agree that the state of Georgia shall be the exclusive forum.
Speaker 3: And I don't know what that says. Sidis sets site
Speaker 3: cirrus sinus. This is a forum and bullshit for the
Speaker 3: resolution of any and all disputes, controversies, or matters arising
Speaker 3: here from and related here too. Wrestler's home base is
Speaker 3: identified solely for travel purposes, and shall not affect the
Speaker 3: choice of law, jurisdiction, or venue here under. The parties
Speaker 3: further agree, notwithstanding the consideration provided for here here in
Speaker 3: that because of the special, unique, and extraordinary nature of
Speaker 3: the services here under and of the rights and licenses
Speaker 3: which are the subject matter of this agreement. WCW shall
Speaker 3: be entitled to injunctives an other equitable relief to prevent
Speaker 3: any breach by the or default by wrestlers here under,
Speaker 3: and such relief shall be without prejudice to any other
Speaker 3: rights or remedies of WCW as may be provided by law.
Speaker 3: WSW may here by a sign it's rights and delegate
Speaker 3: its obligations under this agreement, And if such a signee
Speaker 3: shall assume wsw's obligations in writing, WCW shall have no
Speaker 3: further obligations to restless.
Speaker 7: And that would come into the place and they sell
Speaker 7: the COB.
Speaker 3: I want to tell you right now, I want to
Speaker 3: put it this way. Wrestler has no obligation whatsoever. You're
Speaker 3: in here too in any other fashion to w CW.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Like the final sentence of sid's contract is, wrestler
Speaker 7: has no obligation to follow the terms set out above.
Speaker 3: Like some fucking ass clown took the time to write
Speaker 3: out this whole fucking thing, and at the very bottom
Speaker 3: they add wrestlers in their obligation to follow any of
Speaker 3: the rules above.
Speaker 7: Well, hey, you want to get SID signature on the contract.
Speaker 7: That's what you got to put in there.
Speaker 3: There you go. Wrestler may not assign this agreement in
Speaker 3: whole or in part without the prior written consent of
Speaker 3: ww and any attempted assignment not in accordance here with
Speaker 3: shall be no and void, and of no force or
Speaker 3: effort or effect. Rather, this agreement shall be binding on
Speaker 3: a wrestler and his successors, and permitted as sigence. What
Speaker 3: does that mean? Successors? So we're gonna fucking take this
Speaker 3: contract on if he what goes away?
Speaker 7: Yeah, because it says there that you know he can
Speaker 7: assign this agreement. Uh, if he has written consent, so
Speaker 7: he can almost say like here.
Speaker 3: I want to give this contract to Frank exactly exactly yes,
Speaker 3: and you can follow Frank because he delivers being the
Speaker 3: sausages to the to the to the cathedral.
Speaker 7: And so if that's where to happen. This clause make
Speaker 7: sure that the rest of this contract applies to Frank
Speaker 7: and equal amounts as does SID.
Speaker 3: Nothing here in shall be deemed to obligate WWUS services
Speaker 3: of wrestler, and w CWS shall have fully discharged obligations
Speaker 3: here under by paying the amount specified here in.
Speaker 7: Nothing herein shall be deemed to obligate WCW Man. I
Speaker 7: don't know how we let that one through.
Speaker 3: I know seriously, with respect to ww's rights here under,
Speaker 3: WW shall have the sole right and discretion to bring
Speaker 3: any and all claims, including but not limited to infringement
Speaker 3: or unfair competition claims. The headings contained herein are for
Speaker 3: the convenience of the parties only, and shall not be
Speaker 3: interpreted to limit or effect in any way the meaning
Speaker 3: of the language containing this agreement. This agreement may be
Speaker 3: executed in one or more counterparts, each of which shall
Speaker 3: be deemed to be an original, but all of which
Speaker 3: together shall constitut this same agreement. Any signature page of
Speaker 3: any such counterpart, or any electronic facimly thereof, may be
Speaker 3: attached or appended to any other counterpart to complete a
Speaker 3: fully executed counterpart of this agreement, and any telecopy or
Speaker 3: any other fimile transmission of any signature shall be deemed
Speaker 3: an original and shall bind such party. If any provision
Speaker 3: of this agreement shall be held void, voidable, invalid, or inoperative,
Speaker 3: no other provision of this agreement shall be affected as
Speaker 3: a result thereof, And accordingly, the remaining provisions of this
Speaker 3: agreement shall remain in full force an effect as though
Speaker 3: such void, avoidable, invalid, or an operative provision had not
Speaker 3: been contained here in.
Speaker 7: It's one that I don't know. I don't recall that
Speaker 7: being in Hogan's contract, and that would been pretty important place.
Speaker 7: I claim that you invalidate this part, the whole contract
Speaker 7: goes out the window.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. Upon the request ww Wrestler agrees
Speaker 3: to take any and all actions, including without limitation, the
Speaker 3: execution of certificates, documents, or instruments, necessary or appropriate, to
Speaker 3: give effect to the terms and conditions set forth in
Speaker 3: this agreement. Notwithstanding any termination this agreement, all provisions which,
Speaker 3: by their terms or reasonable interpretation thereof, sets forth obligations
Speaker 3: that extend beyond the termination disagreement hereof, shall survive and
Speaker 3: remain in full force and effect, in witness whereof the
Speaker 3: parties here too have executed or caused their duly authorized
Speaker 3: representatives to execute disagreement to be effective on this day
Speaker 3: and year first written above Raster Sydney r U d WCW.
Speaker 8: WOW.
Speaker 7: So we have our exhibit, and I'll wrap the contract
Speaker 7: of Jesus in WCW. I think the terms are well
Speaker 7: laid out now, Boss, I think we have any guess,
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, Jesus, the rules of engagement and the payment
Speaker 7: on the line, and what's on the line for Sid,
Speaker 7: particularly as it regards pay per view appearances. We have
Speaker 7: a very clear idea of what's in it for Sid
Speaker 7: making a PPV shot and what do you know? His
Speaker 7: WCW return would in fact come on a pay per
Speaker 7: view event, so he's cashing those checks early and often.
Speaker 7: It's the Great American Bash nineteen ninety nine, one of
Speaker 7: the worst pay per views in WCW history, Is it really?
Speaker 3: I've never seen it, yep.
Speaker 7: And it's in this context where Sid makes his return
Speaker 7: World Championship Wrestley.
Speaker 18: Down here Savage Nash, Heavin Nash holding the ribs, pulls
Speaker 18: down the singlet.
Speaker 4: He's going for the Jack Nag power bomb.
Speaker 16: But a lot of people out with Beth that's what
Speaker 16: does that kicks the ribs again.
Speaker 7: To do so was one of a lot of gorgeous
Speaker 7: George Savage's entourage, a lot with Molly Holly as well
Speaker 7: as Miss Madness.
Speaker 16: George goes down.
Speaker 4: Savage and the doors around Miss Madness up top.
Speaker 3: Savin.
Speaker 16: There's a bit champ its gunner.
Speaker 13: Oh yeah, us with sneak guys on, miss man, he's
Speaker 13: got somebody in the land.
Speaker 4: H my god, look who that is?
Speaker 10: Oh my god, what he's doing here?
Speaker 4: It said decius, you've gotta be kidding.
Speaker 16: Then there's one bad customer right there. Guys that there's.
Speaker 4: One bad, bad man, one bad bad.
Speaker 13: Man, maybe one of the baddest head of nowhere, said
Speaker 13: Dishes walks in. You're talking about a man who's picks.
Speaker 13: He's gonna try the power bomb, and then he's already entered.
Speaker 12: He came at and.
Speaker 16: They can't take that.
Speaker 7: Kevin Ash power bombed.
Speaker 3: Jesus.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 16: Oh he's one sick individual. This man is looking looking
Speaker 16: at him. Oh, yes, he's he's psychonic. That's exactly what
Speaker 16: he is. He's full blown nuts. And just maybe if
Speaker 16: I could speckylate, do you think it was this is
Speaker 16: the the wheel, honey, that's the good one.
Speaker 19: Though now it makes sense, it seems to, but sometimes
Speaker 19: you get thrown lodging out the window.
Speaker 18: Is he the newest member of Team Savage as it
Speaker 18: sure looks like it?
Speaker 20: For Version still waiting and defunding w fee wr own
Speaker 20: herby wait taping of the world.
Speaker 16: Big fe fee.
Speaker 19: The last thing we expected. The most shot e turn
Speaker 19: events tonight was Sid Vicious.
Speaker 13: The much of a man is the nut case that
Speaker 13: is one of the most lethal men into wrestling, walks
Speaker 13: back into WCW helping Randy.
Speaker 19: Savage, further hurting the rints of a man who's still
Speaker 19: the world heavyweight Champion for Mike Today, Bobby's Green Unit
Speaker 19: We've seen tomorrow night Trove.
Speaker 16: Have a good night from the Great American.
Speaker 7: Bash Well sids back.
Speaker 3: I remember that, you know, the only reason I remember
Speaker 3: that pay per view I never saw it. I just
Speaker 3: remember the it for some reason. I don't know why,
Speaker 3: But during that during those summers in early college, and
Speaker 3: I'd go on those those you know, ram pages of
Speaker 3: video stores to copies as many old wrestling tapes as possible.
Speaker 3: That one was always for sale. Bash ninety nine they
Speaker 3: had so many copies, like the three or four copies
Speaker 3: available at every fucking blockbuster of that show.
Speaker 8: So weird.
Speaker 7: It was weird. They got their home video game up
Speaker 7: way late too, you know, in their peak, like during anwopeak. Yeah,
Speaker 7: it wasn't easy to find ww pay per views on vhs.
Speaker 7: They had like these old ones. You know, it's Spring
Speaker 7: Stampede ninety four.
Speaker 3: Forever.
Speaker 7: We've talked about this over the years on the show,
Speaker 7: like best of Sting and like these random VHS releases,
Speaker 7: but as far as like predictably being able to get
Speaker 7: every monthly WW pay per view on cassette, it wasn't
Speaker 7: easy to find in the video stores. Some rentals stores
Speaker 7: had him, but I remember this this time period, like
Speaker 7: you could buy him at Suncoast, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Right exactly?
Speaker 7: And so uh too little, too late. It's pretty remarkable.
Speaker 7: You think of the fingerpoke of Doom kicking off nineteen
Speaker 7: ninety nine and Kevin Nash kind of gifting the world
Speaker 7: title to Hulk Cogan and the nWo reforming in the
Speaker 7: Georgia Dome, and just like you know, five months later,
Speaker 7: Nash's world champion and Hogan's gone. The nwo's dissipated ww'
Speaker 7: has been totally redesigned. Randy Savage looks like a fucking maniac.
Speaker 3: Oh you I mean, just a complete psychopaths.
Speaker 7: I mean Nash versus Savage in a pay per view
Speaker 7: main event. Did you hear the reference there on commentary?
Speaker 7: Perhaps he was the one behind the wheel, did you hear.
Speaker 3: That, Yeah, don't.
Speaker 7: That's a reference to No. Have you ever heard about
Speaker 7: the famous white Hummer angle Austin pretty much the famous
Speaker 7: white Hummer angle WCW did.
Speaker 3: No, I don't know that one.
Speaker 7: There's just some incident before this pay per view on
Speaker 7: Nitro where Nash gets into his car and a white
Speaker 7: hum v comes flying into the frame and smashes into
Speaker 7: the car, and they played it up like there was
Speaker 7: going to be some grand mystery of who was driving
Speaker 7: the white Hummer.
Speaker 3: It's one of the great.
Speaker 7: Loose ends in WCW, one of the great loose ends
Speaker 7: in the Monday Night Wars as far as the storyline
Speaker 7: is concerned. Yeah, And they never paid it off. They
Speaker 7: never got around to saying who was going to be.
Speaker 7: Bischoff Is subsequently said in his podcast that they never
Speaker 7: intended it to be like a murder mystery kind of thing,
Speaker 7: that they just needed some reason for Kevin Nash to
Speaker 7: come into the pay per view hurt, or for some
Speaker 7: reason they needed Nash hurt, so they came up with
Speaker 7: this thing where you know, you were supposed to infer
Speaker 7: that Randy Savage hired somebody to do this to Kevin Nash.
Speaker 7: But who the person was wasn't really supposed to be
Speaker 7: of interest to the audience. But of course this is
Speaker 7: pro wrestling, and so the who done it is one
Speaker 7: of the more irresistible storylines for the fight they on.
Speaker 7: So they made it a thing without wsw realizing or
Speaker 7: having the foresight to realize it was going to become
Speaker 7: a thing, and having a plan to deliver on a
Speaker 7: mystery that actually maybe caught the attention of fans for once.
Speaker 7: On like most of what they used to do, they
Speaker 7: had no plan, So it's almost like they were a
Speaker 7: jury rigging an explanation here in debuting sid on the
Speaker 7: pay per view. Yeah, I'll say, because you heard Chavanni
Speaker 7: kind of prevaricate and be like, well, you know, you
Speaker 7: might have to throw logic out the window. But it
Speaker 7: stands to reason that syd was behind the wheel now
Speaker 7: that we see him on the scene here. But he
Speaker 7: was sure to say that this is no confirmation of such,
Speaker 7: because of course they had no plan on delivering on
Speaker 7: the mystery of who it was. But perhaps we're feeling
Speaker 7: the pressure of not having an answer to that question
Speaker 7: and the fin interest in it, and maybe thought that
Speaker 7: that would suffice so kind of an illustrative illusion there
Speaker 7: made by Tony Shavanni to one of the many botched
Speaker 7: and goofy things going on at World Championship Wrestling at
Speaker 7: the time. But there he is, and he power bombs
Speaker 7: Nash one hundred percent. Man, he gets them up better
Speaker 7: than he ever did in the WWF ring.
Speaker 3: I can tell you that it's funny how they couldn't
Speaker 3: do that when it fucking mattered at pay per view
Speaker 3: that time, right, I know, But the idiot are going to.
Speaker 7: Get another try at it. And as Tony Shivani said
Speaker 7: at the wrap of the pay per view, we'll see
Speaker 7: you the next night on Nitro to sort it all out.
Speaker 7: And indeed we did, as sit in Nash come face
Speaker 7: to face all these years later.
Speaker 21: When I didn't come out here tonight to talk to
Speaker 21: macho man, I came out here tonight to talk to you, Sid.
Speaker 16: I don't know where the hell you've been, and I
Speaker 16: don't really care.
Speaker 22: I know you're in the building, and I watch you
Speaker 22: tonight for this strap and this root now straps really yes, we.
Speaker 16: Know he's heir toe and he says, tonight, I wanted.
Speaker 22: To be coming behind give me a kick in the
Speaker 22: face and power Bob, Well, big boy, bring it tonight
Speaker 22: because I'm here to kick your.
Speaker 16: Asss I think mister Nash is ted serious.
Speaker 22: So Sid even with these sweet sandals on, come on
Speaker 22: down because I'm ready to give you a good old
Speaker 22: beating boy.
Speaker 7: Okay, say it again.
Speaker 4: See Nash, I know you're real well.
Speaker 16: I do exactly what button to brush. He looks as
Speaker 16: if last night I pushed the right.
Speaker 20: Button, my friend, because you have now made the biggest
Speaker 20: mistake of your life.
Speaker 2: Mistake of your life. You didn't invite the devil down
Speaker 2: to death.
Speaker 16: Tonight, I will take this in the taste you, my friend.
Speaker 3: To come down and think.
Speaker 4: What is mine?
Speaker 16: And I will start with you tonight and I want
Speaker 16: to hit with you and so Dash, can you take
Speaker 16: it all away?
Speaker 7: Can you take it all the way?
Speaker 16: You've been off way more than you can Chew.
Speaker 22: I'll see you here tonight, and I'll tell you one
Speaker 22: thing big sexy is walking out with the gold.
Speaker 4: That's it tonight. You've got it. It is really odd.
Speaker 18: The world Heavy White Title up programs two of the
Speaker 18: biggest toughest men in this sport.
Speaker 7: And this being WCW. In nineteen ninety nine, they came
Speaker 7: out later in the episode, brawled a bit, Sting got involved,
Speaker 7: clotheslined him over the top of jeans. Sid that is,
Speaker 7: and it becomes very clear that the WCW had no
Speaker 7: intention whatsoever of delivering Nash versus Sid on this night.
Speaker 8: Row.
Speaker 3: More importantly to you, though, What'spishoff doing on comment.
Speaker 7: Tear while trying to salvage WCW. This is that really
Speaker 7: short period of time where he was still kind of
Speaker 7: pop poking his head out before Russo came in.
Speaker 3: I didn't really know that he was doing that. I
Speaker 3: didn't know. I mean, listen, I heard him on the
Speaker 3: fucking I'm a VHS with Hogan on commentary and like,
Speaker 3: what the fuck is going on here?
Speaker 7: Yeah? He comes back in ninety nine with the white hair,
Speaker 7: and he does a couple of angles and he tries
Speaker 7: a couple of things to get Nitro going again. He
Speaker 7: rejoins the Announced team, perhaps to bring back some of
Speaker 7: that spark when he was on the Announced team during
Speaker 7: the you know ww's insurgent days.
Speaker 3: Yes, how can he do that? How does he rationalize
Speaker 3: that after nWo? Yeah?
Speaker 7: No, he just comes out. He comes out at Springstampede
Speaker 7: and April after nWo reforms and it has like crosswords
Speaker 7: with Hull Cogan, and it's supposed to indicate that there's
Speaker 7: been some tension behind the scenes between the two and
Speaker 7: that their old alliance has now been fractured. That he's
Speaker 7: kind of like, okay, that he wasn't really clued into
Speaker 7: the reformation of the nWo.
Speaker 3: He wasn't in on that.
Speaker 7: I mean they did, they didn't specify too much. He
Speaker 7: just showed up and hardly said anything because they wanted
Speaker 7: to transition back into him just being an announcer as
Speaker 7: opposed to a character, a storyline character and.
Speaker 3: Just eat and then all just seems lame.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And come September, he's getting sent home by by
Speaker 7: Bill Bush, who brings in well by Harvey Schiller, and
Speaker 7: then Bill Bush brings in Vince Russo, and then eventually
Speaker 7: it brings Bischoff back. In April, Brad Siegel does Brad
Speaker 7: Siegel also involved. I think Brad Siegel took over from
Speaker 7: Harvey Schiller and then Brad Siegel sent Bischoff home. I
Speaker 7: think it's how it went in September of nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 7: So this is really the last vestiges, the last fumes
Speaker 7: of Bischoff and that initial WCW run. But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 7: just so Nitro to do a promo like that at
Speaker 7: the top of the show, to have Britt Bischoff expressly
Speaker 7: say that National said, you know, there's buzz about Sid
Speaker 7: coming into WCWS. I talked about the Nation said we're
Speaker 7: going to wrestle that night a Nitro for the title.
Speaker 7: And they get in the ring and just have a
Speaker 7: brawl and Sting comes and there's the doesn't even ring.
Speaker 7: There really even is no match.
Speaker 3: I mean you know that. I mean, why are you
Speaker 3: surprised they did that so often? Right, and they could
Speaker 3: at least afford it. You should not even I mean
Speaker 3: especially you should not even have I have thought there
Speaker 3: was going to be a match. You should have presumed
Speaker 3: it was going to be a Schmaus.
Speaker 7: Yes, right, And looking more closely at the dates, the
Speaker 7: Great American Bash where we just heard Sid return was
Speaker 7: June seventh of nineteen ninety nine, and the contract we
Speaker 7: just read into the record this June ninth, nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 7: so he's not under a valid contract at the time
Speaker 7: he appeared. Wow, I'm sure that was a retroactive payday
Speaker 7: for him.
Speaker 3: So if we're uh fifty fifty grand.
Speaker 7: If we're ready, we've hit the point and our journey
Speaker 7: to turn to the millennium Man WCWVHS release Boss. Let's
Speaker 7: fucking fire up that Superstar series. Consider this one of
Speaker 7: the deep dives in our SID tribune, alongside the February seventeenth,
Speaker 7: nineteen ninety seven Monday Night Raw. This really gets us
Speaker 7: acquainted with sid's essence during this WCW run, and we
Speaker 7: open on these marble column things with some footage.
Speaker 3: Well, hold on, first of all, this is this is
Speaker 3: I want to just say, I want to preface. I
Speaker 3: had no idea what to expect with this fucking thing,
Speaker 3: and I don't like. We got so many company logos.
Speaker 3: I was blown away by it. There's the Warner Brothers
Speaker 3: home video logo, which I expected, Then there's w CW
Speaker 3: the Spaceship logo, and then there was the Mandalay Pictures
Speaker 3: one which I was not expecting at all, which is
Speaker 3: the Tiger uh running in the jungle.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's hard to see in a wrestling tape.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm trying to think of who who
Speaker 3: owns them and why they would have man lay Peter
Speaker 3: Gouber of all fucking people. Lions Gate owned by Sony.
Speaker 7: Is it Turner Home Entertainment at the time, No, because
Speaker 7: Peter Gouber was something mighty Bischoff would hunh, Peter Grueber, Goober,
Speaker 7: is that what it is? Yeah, Peter Goober and someone
Speaker 7: Bishoff would bring up after w CW folded as someone
Speaker 7: that was potentially interested in financing a purchase.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I'm sure he was not under man Peter
Speaker 3: Peter Guber. We talked about Peter Geoberg quite a bit
Speaker 3: on cinemat He's one of the people who you know,
Speaker 3: destroyed almost destroyed Sony. But yeah, all this stuff with
Speaker 3: was Sony. I don't know what the relationship is and
Speaker 3: why unless they were just unless he convinced them, unless
Speaker 3: Bischoff was like friends with them and convinced them that
Speaker 3: to to to produce or put their name on the
Speaker 3: must have distributed the like that. But it was just
Speaker 3: a weird That was a weird one for me.
Speaker 7: Andala Entertainment is that what it is?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, Mandally entertainment. It's looking for any that's yeah,
Speaker 3: that's Peter Gouber and that's not Again, they have no
Speaker 3: affiliation with anybody. I mean, what was did did hold on?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 3: Because TVs, there's definitely TBS. Did they had MGM that
Speaker 3: wasn't necessarily Sony. Yeah, it's a weird connection. Like I'm
Speaker 3: trying to think of something that would Yeah. Yeah, there's
Speaker 3: no connection there that, I mean, no superficial connection anyway.
Speaker 7: I think Mandally was involved in the distribution of w
Speaker 7: CW home videos, perhaps after.
Speaker 3: Turner Home Entertainment.
Speaker 7: To some degree. Someone tells me that they were involved
Speaker 7: in home video distribution for w STEP.
Speaker 3: Well, they certainly were. Obviously we're definitely seeing that. So
Speaker 3: there's a connection, but it's it's it's a weird It's
Speaker 3: what's weird to me is that it's coming from an
Speaker 3: organization that's got nothing to do with the home base.
Speaker 7: With the home base. Yeah, maybe they I don't know,
Speaker 7: maybe WW dial Turner Home Entertainment dialed back its VHS
Speaker 7: distribution function a bit and outsourced it.
Speaker 3: Well, still being they're being distributed by Warner Brothers too,
Speaker 3: which is the thing I whish they've done before. I've
Speaker 3: seen that before. I know, Time Warner and all that shit,
Speaker 3: it all, you know, that all comes into play. But
Speaker 3: like Mentally, is like on the other fucking side of
Speaker 3: town interesting in this regards. That's what's weird to me
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 7: I see if I can find anything, because, yeah, Peter
Speaker 7: Guber was somebody that before the Fusian Media Ventures Group
Speaker 7: came along as an owner, as a potential buyer WCW
Speaker 7: and had the purchase in sale agreement. Peter Guber and
Speaker 7: Mentally Entertainment were talked about as potentially being interested in WW.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I just don't believe that for one second.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that was that was out there. It wasn't really ever,
Speaker 7: it wasn't ever really like an exceptionally sourced rumor, but
Speaker 7: there were some press trade reports. I think it was
Speaker 7: even as soon as, like god, I want to say
Speaker 7: the spring of two thousand, even or the summer of
Speaker 7: two thousand. It was like way before the other buyers
Speaker 7: came through. Is as confirmed. So it's Mandalay Entertainment, right,
Speaker 7: you said, Yeah, So what I'm gonna try to do
Speaker 7: is see if I can find reference to them.
Speaker 3: I just can't see Peter Guber. I mean, I know
Speaker 3: wrestling was a hot thing and it doesn't really matter
Speaker 3: what you like you're into, but like, I just can't
Speaker 3: see Peter Guber being someone who was like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: and I want to fucking buy a wrestling company.
Speaker 7: They were gonna, yeah, They're gonna do it in Vegas. Yeah,
Speaker 7: all right, let's see television Week July thirtieth, two thousand.
Speaker 7: Let's see describe our productions were rageous. Okay, Yeah. Working
Speaker 7: with them on the project is Jason Hervey, who is
Speaker 7: now a principal partner in the Sports Entertainment division of
Speaker 7: Mandally Entertainment.
Speaker 3: Ah, there we go, all right, the old That explains
Speaker 3: a lot, because I know I definitely saw Hervey's name
Speaker 3: and the end credits of this one.
Speaker 7: Yep, yep, the old pal And here's another reference in
Speaker 7: electronic metis.
Speaker 3: Now that all makes sense. Okay, So now I can
Speaker 3: believe that Peter Guber could be convinced by Jason Hervey
Speaker 3: to buy WCW. Just like but like Eric Bischoff talking
Speaker 3: to Gouber, I'm just like, I can't think of that.
Speaker 3: I'm going there as being it, like I don't buy it.
Speaker 3: But now with Hervey being being involved, that makes sense,
Speaker 3: got it?
Speaker 7: Okay, we found our missing link.
Speaker 3: There we go.
Speaker 7: Yeah, here's an article about Peter Guber from Variety, August
Speaker 7: twenty third, nineteen ninety nine. It's all about Goober and
Speaker 7: mentally entertainment and deep down in the story, it says,
Speaker 7: as Gouber discusses plans for a new sporting facility in dayton,
Speaker 7: a literacy program and a new Prince entertainment relationship with
Speaker 7: World Championship Wrestling, it grows exhausting just trying to take
Speaker 7: it all.
Speaker 3: In literacy program.
Speaker 7: Well, ww no, that was like part of a list
Speaker 7: of things. There's a sporting faciale.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm just joking.
Speaker 7: Yes, I could take your shock there. So yes. They
Speaker 7: open on these marble column things with some footage it
Speaker 7: says ww Superstar series and it's kind of like a
Speaker 7: nineteen ninety nine classic death Metal voice showing Sid power
Speaker 7: bombing everyone, and it just says nineteen ninety nine in
Speaker 7: the corner for some reason, and then two thousand the
Speaker 7: millennium man. Yeah, so Sid, Sid has some sit down
Speaker 7: things to say.
Speaker 3: He said, yeah, I got, I got, I got all
Speaker 3: these for you.
Speaker 7: Let's hear from the psychotic one.
Speaker 3: This is the this first one.
Speaker 8: I haven't in.
Speaker 3: Three different clips, this first kind of opening bit. But
Speaker 3: this is how he opens his fucking video.
Speaker 12: To be successful in this business, you have to be
Speaker 12: able to polish and perfect all fasts, coming from all directions.
Speaker 12: It either be her, the way you look, where you
Speaker 12: present yourself, where you do your interviews, the where you
Speaker 12: project yourself to the crowd. These things all equal one word.
Speaker 12: It's called credibility. You have credibility. You can't hide it.
Speaker 12: Promoters can't hide it. The resty fans too smart. They
Speaker 12: see that. And that's what makes or breaks talent and
Speaker 12: our business. When you talk about said Vicious all his
Speaker 12: facets or finally polished, don't.
Speaker 3: You won't be hearing you.
Speaker 8: Won't be here?
Speaker 7: That would be true.
Speaker 8: Then he's the la fan.
Speaker 1: Wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the boys need
Speaker 1: their candy. It's the lapsed fan. He's the Lapsed Fan
Speaker 1: Wrestling podcast with Jack and Carneo and Jpi Soro.
Speaker 3: I want to say so. He says, Goldberg won't be
Speaker 3: here anymore, Hogan won't be here anymore, Sting won't be
Speaker 3: here anymore. Only I will be here anymore.
Speaker 7: Get away with words, didn't he He really did like it?
Speaker 7: That's true. In two thousand and all three would be
Speaker 7: gone and he would be there.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's true, it's just the way, you know,
Speaker 3: it's just his his his language is just oh a treasure.
Speaker 7: Oh, his word choice has always been the fucking greatest
Speaker 7: thing in the world. And this WCW run is no exception,
Speaker 7: as we'll get to. But that clip from the August
Speaker 7: twenty third, ninety nine Nitro, and then they cut to
Speaker 7: an interview not your good guy, Sid.
Speaker 23: Yeah, here here is a here we go. Here's more
Speaker 23: Sid a coward person who despises every gutty good guy
Speaker 23: in this world.
Speaker 8: Sid.
Speaker 12: Yeah, it really has no filling before the things he does,
Speaker 12: other than maybe the feeling of joy when so maybe
Speaker 12: I step on someone's face or break your arm, you
Speaker 12: can enjoy something like that.
Speaker 8: Sit.
Speaker 16: The thing is in a lot of pain.
Speaker 12: The guy you definitely wouldn't want to make meet in
Speaker 12: some dark alley. The guy really enjoys.
Speaker 8: His opponent now globling, begging.
Speaker 7: Sid, He's just a word, isn't he?
Speaker 8: He really is?
Speaker 7: Is attacking him and Rick Stan attacking Goldberg with a
Speaker 7: shovel in the back.
Speaker 3: Yep, oh I know.
Speaker 7: Show Charles Robinson, who was like the official designated sign
Speaker 7: holder to list of the Streak behind Sid when he'd
Speaker 7: come out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how did that relationship suddenly?
Speaker 7: You know, he was almost bullied into doing it. It
Speaker 7: wasn't like Robinson had like a speaking or managerial role.
Speaker 7: He was just like forced to walk around with Sid
Speaker 7: and just tosses. They just toss Goldberg on his head.
Speaker 7: I couldn't remember this backstage for some reason, he like
Speaker 7: flips over the dock they were supposed to throw him
Speaker 7: onto and he lands right in his fucking head on
Speaker 7: the cement as Goldberg. And they also show him what
Speaker 7: do they show him doing? They show him carrying someone
Speaker 7: over his shoulder and driving away in a hummer and
Speaker 7: some alley, all kinds of crazy shit. And they show
Speaker 7: him chokes laming Hogan in the Red and Yellow as
Speaker 7: we get that WrestleMania eight flashback, and he says, to
Speaker 7: sum it up as short as possible.
Speaker 3: Sid, Oh here I got the sum up for you.
Speaker 8: To sum it up short as possible? Sid enough said,
Speaker 8: sick enough, sad?
Speaker 3: How about Sid enough? Sid?
Speaker 8: Wow?
Speaker 7: Oh shit? Sid apparently not enough said. As it regards
Speaker 7: to the TLF tribute, yes, or to say so, they
Speaker 7: took about the seventy five millennium Man and Sid says,
Speaker 7: ww's my home where I started, and he takes us
Speaker 7: through a bit of a history lesson boss.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah he uh.
Speaker 8: He.
Speaker 3: He calls this return his big achievement, and then they
Speaker 3: show the American Bash thing and whatnot, and then and
Speaker 3: then I get the next thing I got is savage
Speaker 3: savage cutting my promo.
Speaker 7: Well hit it a sec. But he talks about how
Speaker 7: this place is the place for me to finish my career,
Speaker 7: which of course would be totally true, though not necessarily
Speaker 7: the way he would choose. And he said, being back
Speaker 7: in front of ww fans is like being back home
Speaker 7: where I started and got my first big break. To
Speaker 7: come back here where I've been best treated, is exciting.
Speaker 7: We've talked in the past about how those dollars and
Speaker 7: cents on that contract definitely left said to feel like
Speaker 7: this was the best place he ever worked. After keeping
Speaker 7: praise on WWF for putting asses in seats, now he's
Speaker 7: quite content to play the half empty buildings. Oh of course,
Speaker 7: who wouldn't be the reasons we just delineated in black
Speaker 7: and white. And so, as you said, let's go to
Speaker 7: the June fourteenth, nineteen ninety nine episode of Monday nightro
Speaker 7: as featured on the Superstar series video cassette, and Randy
Speaker 7: Savage is in white fur. I regret to inform you.
Speaker 3: And again this is he just he doesn't sound completely
Speaker 3: like Again, he doesn't sound to me like Brandy Savage.
Speaker 3: I mean he does a little bit, but not all
Speaker 3: the way.
Speaker 24: But I need to give heat to every person in
Speaker 24: this arena, all over the world.
Speaker 2: I'll wake up call right now. Let's from now.
Speaker 8: From big Suxy Kevinness.
Speaker 4: I got one.
Speaker 2: Word for you, come on to me.
Speaker 3: That's two words, actually, man, it actually is.
Speaker 7: You're right about that. It's uh, I didn't think about that,
Speaker 7: but unbelievably vicious.
Speaker 3: So he just you know again, he just he just
Speaker 3: he sounds so nasal.
Speaker 7: You got a leather cagong backwards, gassed, ghasted.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean he's got no, he's got no
Speaker 3: room all right, gorgeous Georgia's so much gas, has no
Speaker 3: room to breathe.
Speaker 7: And then the Nash promo, even with these sweet sandals
Speaker 7: on what we just heard, basically yeah, and Sid pops
Speaker 7: up on the screen and then he's in studio again
Speaker 7: here on the VHS and has more to say.
Speaker 3: Yeah here, Yeah, he talks about having heat with Nash,
Speaker 3: which is hilarious.
Speaker 12: People say, you come to the Great American Bash said,
Speaker 12: he comes straight onto Kevin Nash, looks like you guys
Speaker 12: have heat. Whatever rumors, blah blah blah. Actually meet Kevin Nash,
Speaker 12: have a lot of things into common. We're both big,
Speaker 12: we both have the same powerful finishing move. We have
Speaker 12: parallels like that in your life, with parallels with someone
Speaker 12: who's got the same parallels. I think people take for
Speaker 12: granted that maybe there's an animosity there.
Speaker 8: Whatever.
Speaker 12: I have no animosity towards Ing, no have any great
Speaker 12: feelings towarding He's just another person, just another person.
Speaker 7: Okay, he's just another person. Great stuff here from Sid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, most people are just other people. That's kind of
Speaker 3: the way the world is.
Speaker 7: At a Batch of the Beach in nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 7: one of the dirt worst pay per views and professional
Speaker 7: wrestling history, in my opinion, In the main event, anyone
Speaker 7: who pins Kevin Nash can be the champion. Okay, so
Speaker 7: that means Sid or any Savage the title must change
Speaker 7: hands for some reason.
Speaker 3: And what if I wanted to pin, can I win
Speaker 3: the title?
Speaker 7: Unbelievable men who cared a little about world title belts.
Speaker 7: Michael Buffer says on the introductions, So where do I
Speaker 7: sign up?
Speaker 8: What?
Speaker 7: Where do I sign up?
Speaker 3: That's what he says.
Speaker 7: Yes, Yes, the viciously dangerous point man of Team Savage.
Speaker 7: So it's stinging Kevin Nash versus Randy Savage and sid
Speaker 7: in the main event of Bachelor of the Beach nineteen
Speaker 7: ninety nine, Gorgeous George. If you noticed Boss the blonde
Speaker 7: bombshell and Randy Savage's corner in his real life girlfriend,
Speaker 7: she has a black eye, doesn't she?
Speaker 3: Who was that a legit one?
Speaker 7: They played around with a storyline where Savage was beaten
Speaker 7: Gorgeous George because you know, soap opera ratings heel, and
Speaker 7: they basically shied away from it immediately after some pushback
Speaker 7: and outcry. So they made reference to it here in
Speaker 7: the pay per view and kind of made it seem
Speaker 7: like Gorgeous George was siding with Kevin Nash to rebel
Speaker 7: against the abuse of Randy Savage, only too in the
Speaker 7: end turn on Nash and help Savage anyway, But they
Speaker 7: never really made reference again that. There was some crazy
Speaker 7: scene one time in a nitro where Savage flew off
Speaker 7: the handle. It was supposed to be, you know, portraying
Speaker 7: this abusive towards women mental case, and he actually got
Speaker 7: so carried away in the moment that he slapped Tory
Speaker 7: Wilson in the face.
Speaker 3: Are you serious?
Speaker 7: Nitro? But he didn't his slap her hard enough to
Speaker 7: be a real problem. And she famously laughed on a
Speaker 7: live Nitro after Randy Savage last, Wow, she couldn't keep
Speaker 7: a straight face at the absurdity.
Speaker 3: Of how he's such a fucking goof.
Speaker 7: He's such a bit, such good stuff back then. So Hannibal,
Speaker 7: who did several interviews would sit over the years, talked
Speaker 7: to him about teaming with Randy Savage in this run,
Speaker 7: and he says it was pretty cool, but you know,
Speaker 7: Savage maybe was living his character too much at the time.
Speaker 7: He says, he'll never forget one time they'd been up
Speaker 7: all night at a Nitro doing vignettes, shooting vignettes where
Speaker 7: Randy was getting gorgeous George back from Kevin Nash. Sid
Speaker 7: recalls it going to like four or five in the
Speaker 7: morning this shoot, and so he's going from the shooting
Speaker 7: on site to his rental car after it's all over,
Speaker 7: about six in the morning, planning to just go to
Speaker 7: the airport and get home. So Randy said, hey, baby,
Speaker 7: come over here. She goes, Randy, don't start with that wow,
Speaker 7: and he comes back, Oh, what is it you want?
Speaker 7: Kevin Nash? You really love Kevin Nash Big six And
Speaker 7: the way Sid says it, Sid's like, oh, come on,
Speaker 7: not at five in the morning. I don't want to
Speaker 7: hear a fake love call. Basically, you know, I don't
Speaker 7: need to see Randy Savage being the television character at
Speaker 7: five in the morning in the parking lot. After an
Speaker 7: hours and hours long vinetche you said, say it.
Speaker 3: There's no line. Say it, pal, there's no line, Savage
Speaker 3: is That's all I'll say.
Speaker 7: You got the front row seat during this run. Sid said,
Speaker 7: you know, but Randy, I.
Speaker 3: Think you like giving Nash right?
Speaker 7: Is that what it is on TV?
Speaker 3: Randy, George, I'm telling you right now exactly what's going on,
Speaker 3: because here I am trying to get a fucking boner again.
Speaker 3: I'm getting rock hard. You're telling me, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go for given Nash, and I don't wandering
Speaker 3: exactly what I've done to say, Hey, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm in do you fucking give a Nash, where have
Speaker 3: I gotten the idea?
Speaker 7: Definitely what I've done, but oh way to phrase it?
Speaker 7: And and and Sid says, you know, but Randy, I
Speaker 7: think at that point was living Randy Savage too much.
Speaker 7: So the very psychotic, very lethal Sid Vicious is n
Speaker 7: w W. And they show them going to work on Nash,
Speaker 7: reference made to their history, a ton of stuff just
Speaker 7: working with Savage, Nash and Sid clashing on on on
Speaker 7: this VHS. Here Nash even sidewalk slam Sid. At one
Speaker 7: point they show Sid, uh, I gotta I.
Speaker 3: Got a quote from early in the match here. I mean,
Speaker 3: these fucking matches are so disgusting in how they they
Speaker 3: edit them, because like these are they're they're they're worse
Speaker 3: than w W E Colisseum video chopped up matches. You know,
Speaker 3: like you get five seconds before they dissolve into the
Speaker 3: next segment. It just keeps going and going and going
Speaker 3: on you the matches are like three seconds ridiculous. But
Speaker 3: here this is uh, this is a tony counting savages ladies.
Speaker 3: And Heenan thinks, well you'll hear what Heenan thinks.
Speaker 16: Savage has two beautiful women with him.
Speaker 14: But saying miss Madness, the one gorgeous know it and
Speaker 14: they want to know you, Gorgeous George.
Speaker 3: That's three, I I said, who John Youth.
Speaker 12: Is a dog?
Speaker 3: I said, two beautiful and one of George all on
Speaker 3: my side. One a dog? No, I was not.
Speaker 2: Didn't you stop that?
Speaker 7: Stop it.
Speaker 8: Down?
Speaker 7: Boy Inan and Tony with the stick?
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, because you need something to be entertaining on
Speaker 3: these fucking shows.
Speaker 7: Can confirm Sid is still clapping before he throws a
Speaker 7: ducked lariat here in World Championship Wrestling.
Speaker 3: Well, hey, it's a signal. You know he's gonna let
Speaker 3: them know what's going to happen the show.
Speaker 7: Gorgeous George hitting Nash and the balls here at the
Speaker 7: bachel of the Beach nineteen ninety. No response whatsoever, by
Speaker 7: the way to that double cross from Gorgeous George as
Speaker 7: Sid body slams Kevin Nash and then Randy Savage drops
Speaker 7: an elbow on him from the top rope and pins
Speaker 7: him one, two, three, and by virtue of the rules,
Speaker 7: Kevin Nash loses the WCW title to Randy Savage in
Speaker 7: a fucking tag team match that is so lame, so
Speaker 7: incredibly lame. Just I can only imagine the distortions and
Speaker 7: the mental gymnastics that Kevin Nash went through to land on.
Speaker 7: I can't lose the belt one on one. I have
Speaker 7: to lose it in a tag team match.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm surprised he got pinned. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 7: I mean, if you're gonna do it, do it, Like,
Speaker 7: why does it have to be this funky tag team
Speaker 7: environment just so it doesn't really count?
Speaker 3: That's why, like I would have let it be seriously,
Speaker 3: like you should have had Sting take the fall. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, if you're not going to do like, why
Speaker 3: did you do the fall to begin with? Why did
Speaker 3: you take the pin? Yeah? It just makes no sense,
Speaker 3: no sense, you know, I think good.
Speaker 7: I'm not sure. I don't think the stipulations were and
Speaker 7: I'm not suggesting you were saying this, but I'm thinking
Speaker 7: about it. I don't think if either man pinn Sting
Speaker 7: they would win the belt. They had to pin Naw.
Speaker 3: Oh I see, yeah, well I was saying that, but
Speaker 3: I think that that should have been ruled then for sure.
Speaker 7: Yeah, because the first they did they could have easily
Speaker 7: done with a run in exactly.
Speaker 3: The same right, exactly I did want to stay here.
Speaker 3: There's a funny bit. So in these clips, Sid's working
Speaker 3: on staying and then Nash comes into help out and
Speaker 3: Shavanni makes a very funny comment about Nash that kind
Speaker 3: of goes in. It plays very well with how we
Speaker 3: think of Kevin Nash.
Speaker 19: Kevin Ash's first any offense as he raked the back
Speaker 19: of the head at that time.
Speaker 3: He hadn't been in mat the entire fucking time. When
Speaker 3: he comes in and Schevanni fucking comments on it, I
Speaker 3: was like, it was great. Back to the studio, Oh,
Speaker 3: here we go get him talking about being a part
Speaker 3: of Team Madness.
Speaker 12: Being part of Team Madness was an experience. It's a
Speaker 12: thing about it. The enjoyment for me was the Randy Savage,
Speaker 12: someone who, in a weird way, is a lot like
Speaker 12: said Vicious, real intense, a professional at all aspects from
Speaker 12: his attire to his interviews in the ring, everything, his entourage,
Speaker 12: stuff like that. But that's where it stopped. I'm not
Speaker 12: part of an entourage. There it is, and I don't
Speaker 12: want an entourage, and I don't need an entourage.
Speaker 7: What an ter odd No, Jeremy Pivit and shit, no
Speaker 7: that I understand an nter Odge untero Odge. So yeah,
Speaker 7: it's not gonna last long. I love this half shoot,
Speaker 7: half work sid here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very it's very odd.
Speaker 7: The July seventeenth, ninety nine Nitro, it's you, mister Hogan.
Speaker 7: You have something that belongs to me. So after breaking
Speaker 7: off from team Savage said, Vicious is now engaging in
Speaker 7: a one on one feud, picking up with the left
Speaker 7: off in nineteen ninety two with the Hulkster starts saying
Speaker 7: master Ruler of the world, Hollywood baby, and.
Speaker 3: Another thing too, Like you also realize that in the
Speaker 3: midst of this of like the events that are that
Speaker 3: are highlighted in this in this video, that Hogan also
Speaker 3: turns back to the red and yellow. Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they capture a lot of the absurdity of nineteen
Speaker 7: ninety nine, if just by mistake or happenstance on this tape.
Speaker 3: It's just crazy how much happens in so little.
Speaker 7: They keep trying, they keep resetting that because nothing's working,
Speaker 7: so they're just reshuffling the deck every two to three weeks.
Speaker 7: On Nitro, it feels like I remember, like Hogan came back,
Speaker 7: he beat Savage for the championship in April of ninety
Speaker 7: nine did a pretty good rating for the world title.
Speaker 7: It's like, Okay, now Hogan's back on top. Great and
Speaker 7: then he just just and then it just doesn't go anywhere,
Speaker 7: It doesn't continue to draw, and then he's losing the belt.
Speaker 7: He cycles out, and then he cycles back in and
Speaker 7: wrestles Sid and then he comes back and wrestles Sid
Speaker 7: is red and yellow, And it's just like this constant
Speaker 7: series of Hogan and Nash really and Hogan and Bischoff
Speaker 7: trying to figure out a new way to spark is
Speaker 7: basically a preview of what they did in TNA.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 7: It's the Hogan Bischoff's team trying to get the band
Speaker 7: back together or trying to, you know, see.
Speaker 3: If they can try to do as much as they
Speaker 3: can to make Hogan be the guy to bring WW
Speaker 3: back to glory.
Speaker 7: Exactly correct, precisely, so you got all.
Speaker 3: That's the funny part. It's like, it's not about bring
Speaker 3: WW back to glory. He's about having Hulk Hogan bring
Speaker 3: WCW back to glory.
Speaker 7: Always said there's no such thing as WCW being successful
Speaker 7: unless Hulk Hogan is successful. Right, Unless Hulk Hogan as
Speaker 7: the main eventor is what's working in WCW. Nothing is
Speaker 7: working in WSW because you know, nothing counts until the Hulkster,
Speaker 7: with his contract and leverage and all the rest and
Speaker 7: his iron grip on Bischoff is in play. When Holgan's
Speaker 7: in play, then everyone's trying because this is our only shot.
Speaker 7: If somebody else is on top, it's very temporary until
Speaker 7: the Holster comes back. So here he is with his
Speaker 7: white gloves versus sit on Nitro. Hogan close lines him
Speaker 7: several times. Sid won't go down. He scoops in Hogan's
Speaker 7: need gives on a two count. They referenced how doctor
Speaker 7: James Andrews had just performed the surgery on the Hulkster.
Speaker 3: They did, they did talk about that fucking Scott Hudson
Speaker 3: talking about that shit.
Speaker 7: And here's a little bit of a context from from
Speaker 7: Dave Meltzer. At the time, with the main booking power
Speaker 7: and television formatting in the hands of Hult, Cogan and
Speaker 7: Eric Bischoff, Kevin Nationally having a minor role. Nitro on
Speaker 7: July nineteenth presented an Angle Aiden show with two Marque
Speaker 7: main events and introducing a slew of new characters. New
Speaker 7: announcer and celebrity cameo appearances in front of an incredibly
Speaker 7: rabid crowd in Rockford, Illinois. While it was generally considered
Speaker 7: the best Nitro in a long time, the ratings told
Speaker 7: a different story a rather ordinary episode of WWF Sports Entertainment.
Speaker 7: As the show is now categorized Joy six point two
Speaker 7: eight rating, six point oh five first hour, six point
Speaker 7: five to five second hour, and a whopping ten share.
Speaker 7: Nitro compared to the six point two to eight. Boss
Speaker 7: did a three point three to three Wow two point
Speaker 7: five to seven first hour, three point one one, second hour,
Speaker 7: three point three one third hour, and a five to
Speaker 7: five share. That's that's excellent for Nitro at the time.
Speaker 7: Over the head ted two hours and eight minutes, Ro's
Speaker 7: six point two eight compared to Nitro's three point twenty
Speaker 7: one or just shy of doubling the rating head to head,
Speaker 7: Rod doubled Nitro in four of the eight quarters head
Speaker 7: to head, including devastating Nitro in the Battle of main
Speaker 7: Events overrun. The disappointment for Nitro had to be the
Speaker 7: performance of the two marquee matches, the Hogan versus Vicious
Speaker 7: title match. Remember Sid's a draw. Remember this course, the
Speaker 7: Hogan Versu Visius title match to a two point nine
Speaker 7: one final quarter, growing to a three point five to
Speaker 7: one overrun with other run ins including Goldberg, But even
Speaker 7: that is misleading high, misleadingly high, since it went longer
Speaker 7: than raw ro's final quarter. X pac and Caine versus
Speaker 7: Big Show and Hardcore Holly and the beginning of Undertaker
Speaker 7: versus Triple h In comparison, Okay, Hogan versus Sid Boss
Speaker 7: does a two point nine to one. What do you
Speaker 7: think X POC and Caine versus Big Show and Holly
Speaker 7: does none better be like four six point nine to six?
Speaker 7: Are you fucking kidding me? With the Undertaker Triple Ah
Speaker 7: match two just starting and the overrun with the finish
Speaker 7: of that match in Austin running in built throughout the
Speaker 7: show did a seven point seven zero rating. Geez, that's
Speaker 7: a totally opposed making it the most watched wrestling match
Speaker 7: with opposition wrestling programming in the history of cable television.
Speaker 7: Yeah that huge, um Shane, uh Shane. The Greenwich Kids
Speaker 7: what do they call mestree posse? Yeah, versus Briscoe and
Speaker 7: Patterson in that May nineteen ninety nine Raw that did
Speaker 7: that all time high quarter like, rivaled only by the
Speaker 7: rock mankind. This is Your Life. That was on an
Speaker 7: episode of Raw where Nitro was preempted, so they had
Speaker 7: the night all of themselves, and that had a lot
Speaker 7: to do with why that was.
Speaker 3: This one was a post what about what about this?
Speaker 3: What about the Undertaker Austin match? I thought that one
Speaker 3: did a fucking did a huge right dorating huge reading. Yep,
Speaker 3: it was way up there, but it wasn't. It wasn't
Speaker 3: as high as that. Briscol and Patterson won for some reason.
Speaker 3: Nitro's other marque match, the Brick flairvor Sting match for
Speaker 3: control of the company, was a huge disappointment, drawing just
Speaker 3: a three point three to five rating for the first
Speaker 3: opposed quarter as compared to the five point three to
Speaker 3: three for the same Raw open as every week. Unlike
Speaker 3: the previous week Flare Malank versus Malenka, where Flair maintained
Speaker 3: the audience from the unpposed quarter, the Flair Sting match
Speaker 3: had the usual turn off factor when rob began falling
Speaker 3: from a four point zero seven unpposed rating ros numbers.
Speaker 3: Remember that Nitro had an extra hour than Raw eight
Speaker 3: to nine right and I think that was a lot
Speaker 3: of it too, was that, like people watched Nitro for
Speaker 3: the first hour when Raw wasn't on and almost always
Speaker 3: tied out. They just it's kind of funny. I mean,
Speaker 3: I guess you know you're trying to win and trying
Speaker 3: to win, but you should put your best stuff in
Speaker 3: that first hour, honestly, if you're tanking so hard.
Speaker 7: Really or at least do stuff in that first hour
Speaker 7: that really hooks people for the rest of the show.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 7: Ros numbers throughout the evening were consistent until the big
Speaker 7: pick up in the last twenty three minutes. Nitro's numbers
Speaker 7: ranged from a low of two point seven three for
Speaker 7: Rick Steiner versus Horse Hogan I repeat rick Steiner versus
Speaker 7: hors Hogan Andandy Grover's Psychosis to a high of three
Speaker 7: point sixty nine for the post match after Savage versus
Speaker 7: Billy Kidman with a Dennis Rodman run and as Dennis
Speaker 7: Rodman was to wrestle Randy Savage at Roade Wild nineteen
Speaker 7: ninety nine in his final WCW appearance, and the melee
Speaker 7: and the Conan versus Vanpiro match, So sounds like a
Speaker 7: lot that would intrigue you boss to go ahead and
Speaker 7: watch this nitro on Peacock after we're done.
Speaker 3: Yeah, can't wait, so, uh can't wait to you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know, so I try to erase it off Peacock.
Speaker 7: I mean Sid hits a running boot to Hogan's face
Speaker 7: in this match on nitro.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it doesn't hit the late drop.
Speaker 7: But he doesn't hit the leg drop because he goes
Speaker 7: for it and Hogan moves out of the way.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 7: Hogan then boot Sid. Sid staggers around but doesn't fall.
Speaker 7: Hogan slams Sid and then Kevin nashit's the ring and
Speaker 7: attacks Hogan Sting makes the same Rick Steiner it gets involved,
Speaker 7: and that's a nineteen ninety nine nitro for you right there.
Speaker 7: I mean, what the fuck sit around thinking Hogan Sid
Speaker 7: is going to be something cool and it's a running
Speaker 7: back to the studio Sid. Why the fuck is Rick
Speaker 7: Steiner involved?
Speaker 12: People have asked me about why I chose Rick Steiner
Speaker 12: to stand beside me with some of the battle times
Speaker 12: from the rough times as this.
Speaker 7: Excuse me, Yeah, I don't know what the fuck he's saying.
Speaker 12: Simple, he's a guy that you can trust. He's a
Speaker 12: guy that You can not have to look over your shoulder.
Speaker 12: Why you're into a situation, a physical situation, Hey us.
Speaker 8: The guy helping me. Do I have to take a
Speaker 8: second to turn around Sadi's air? No, you don't have
Speaker 8: to do that.
Speaker 3: You know he's there. Okay.
Speaker 7: The nineteen ninety nine push of Rick Steiner, it's just
Speaker 7: irredeemably poor decision.
Speaker 3: That's just unacceptable.
Speaker 7: I mean, no one could possibly want to see him
Speaker 7: on Nitro as a singles you know, pushed with the
Speaker 7: top dogs. Like all he does is bring down a
Speaker 7: star power in every segment they put him in. I
Speaker 7: know Nash loves the Steiners and everything, and Bischoff certainly
Speaker 7: had a soft spot for them, but man Man was
Speaker 7: a stupid.
Speaker 3: Fucking Michigan boys.
Speaker 7: What pretty much?
Speaker 3: Yep, pretty much.
Speaker 7: They show Goldberg getting attacked backstage by Sid and Rick
Speaker 7: Steiner's referenced earlier, with a shovel and throwing Goldberg on
Speaker 7: his head. This is from the August second, nineteen ninety
Speaker 7: nine Nitro. Then they lock him behind a door and
Speaker 7: Sid's a stupid idiot and hit Sting with a shovel,
Speaker 7: and then to Eric and Hogan on the car, all
Speaker 7: so well, Hogan was champed. Ye, So Eric and Hogan
Speaker 7: are on the commentary. Hogan says he loves how Sid
Speaker 7: plans things. Maybe maybe they had a dinner. I don't know, brother,
Speaker 7: but you're planning, Like, what is this? What do you
Speaker 7: mean you guys plan things in this business? This is
Speaker 7: basically Hogan and Bischoff, you know, on the commentary on TNA.
Speaker 7: You know, just yeah, exactly, Sid and Rick. Here Goldberg
Speaker 7: comes out to the old mega death crush him theme
Speaker 7: that he started coming out to after he was in
Speaker 7: Universal Soldier Too. I did not know that sting, Hogan
Speaker 7: says wide open on commentary. So he was saying that
Speaker 7: back in nineteen ninety nine, it is confirmed.
Speaker 3: He uh uh. Boff asked Hogan who out of the form,
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah. Bischoff asked Hogan who the most difficult
Speaker 3: of the foremen in the ring were to Hogan, got
Speaker 3: your opportunity. Golbo's gonna have his ass for now, but
Speaker 3: he's basically got both men's gonna watch now.
Speaker 8: Stings in a lot of trouble. That's kind of a
Speaker 8: low shot to brother. Just see said that was a
Speaker 8: low blow out.
Speaker 3: Sorry, Holley, would you've been in the ring with all
Speaker 3: of these men of the four, if you could call it,
Speaker 3: which one of them gave you.
Speaker 12: The most difficult the most dangerous brother, the most dangerous
Speaker 12: is Sid.
Speaker 3: Without a doubt. Wow, I'm sure, I'm sure. In many
Speaker 3: ways it's true.
Speaker 7: He's about to face Sting. It roade wild back. Then
Speaker 7: as a matter of fact, Sting gets free and hits
Speaker 7: a bulldog Hulk Cokin's Sting doesn't need Goldberg said, Goozles
Speaker 7: lifts and dumps Sting one two. Goldberg makes the same
Speaker 7: Hulk Cogin says, you better wake up soon, or you'll
Speaker 7: have to that's.
Speaker 3: To the referee here, I got that for you. They
Speaker 3: were thinking as a team, they were, Goldberg busy, feel
Speaker 3: something else.
Speaker 2: But if he's gaining his wound.
Speaker 8: If he's ready, I feel sorry for everybody gets his
Speaker 8: hands on.
Speaker 16: As they react to sing.
Speaker 2: The Sting doesn't need Goldberg.
Speaker 3: Oh, he's only fire again.
Speaker 16: That's the one thing about saying is good.
Speaker 13: He's down, when you think he's out, he digs down
Speaker 13: deep and he comes back on.
Speaker 4: The fire man.
Speaker 16: If he have his hands full, yeah, I say vicious.
Speaker 4: He's got his hands up.
Speaker 16: The same cover and Goldberg again to make the sake
Speaker 16: the referee better wakes up sooner.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to make him move it and wake
Speaker 3: him up.
Speaker 7: Brother. It just sounds so hollow.
Speaker 3: The two of them are just awful.
Speaker 7: It's so hollow. They'll trying to like come up with
Speaker 7: enthusiasm for the same cast of characters.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like Hogan's Hogan is not a good
Speaker 3: not good on commentary. He should never do it. I agree.
Speaker 7: They thumbs down Goldberg chant you heard said missus leg
Speaker 7: drop scorpion deathlock applied by staying. Goldberg gets in battling
Speaker 7: Rick Steiner.
Speaker 3: Oh, there's no way you're hitting a leg drop with
Speaker 3: Hogan on commentary, right by a ring.
Speaker 7: Then he gets out, grabs a chair and starts tapping
Speaker 7: people on the head and the fakest looking chair shots.
Speaker 3: It's pretty bad.
Speaker 7: It's pretty bad, DEQ. They hit the bell And that's
Speaker 7: another great addition to Nitro. Even the fucking videotapes, which
Speaker 7: are supposed to be best ofs, they can't put together
Speaker 7: a home video release without it being ninety per DQ
Speaker 7: finishes that leave people wondering if they'll ever come back
Speaker 7: to a Nitro again.
Speaker 3: Yep, we go back to the studio. There we go.
Speaker 12: My opinion about the mystery Man, or so called franchise
Speaker 12: of what.
Speaker 3: I don't know. What's he talking about? Mystery Man?
Speaker 7: I think he's talking about Goldberg. We're talking about sing
Speaker 7: Sorry you start about the sting. Why because he wrestles
Speaker 7: in it roadwild? No, I know, But why is he
Speaker 7: the mystery Man? The mystery Man's road warrior animal. Well, yeah,
Speaker 7: that's why he's a mystery man. At first, I was like,
Speaker 7: I guess Goldberg had some mystery to him. But yeah,
Speaker 7: he's I guess back from ninety seven ninety six. Rather
Speaker 7: you know how he hung over in the rafters and
Speaker 7: didn't say anything for a year, okay or maybe WCW.
Speaker 8: We know this a true thing about him. We know
Speaker 8: he's a family man. You have his children.
Speaker 12: He those family values. He loves the shaking hands of
Speaker 12: the wrestling fans. I despise those qualities.
Speaker 7: That's good. Self proclaimed millennium man, we're transitioning into that.
Speaker 7: Tony says he has a claim on that because as
Speaker 7: we head into the year two thousand, said has had
Speaker 7: the best record, undefeated over the last month. He will
Speaker 7: they say, he will erase the winning streak of Goldberg
Speaker 7: like today, says I'll have to do some research on that.
Speaker 7: They show bikes revving at road wild as Sid is
Speaker 7: hammocked in the corner and Sting.
Speaker 3: By the way his music for w W one very
Speaker 3: much a cover of his ninety two w w WWE.
Speaker 7: Theme absolutely and the theme that they in fact edited
Speaker 7: out of Peacock.
Speaker 3: Don't ask me why, I know, like, why don't just
Speaker 3: put in his ninety two theme that you do all.
Speaker 7: Right, which apparently even though it sounds exactly the same
Speaker 7: as not a copyright infringement. I guess they really suck
Speaker 7: the life out of Sid in this year such such as.
Speaker 3: There is I heard it's like some weird techno ship.
Speaker 7: Awful, truly the worst, really bad. So, yeah, he gets
Speaker 7: hammocked in the corner and then Sting splashes him up
Speaker 7: there and clothes lines him up and over to the floor.
Speaker 7: This is again and storage of South Dakota with all
Speaker 7: the motorcycles everywhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a stand for hamburgers and steak sandwiches.
Speaker 7: Say that againing missus a splash, there's a backbreaker to
Speaker 7: the floor. He drops Sting on the rail. They do
Speaker 7: a split screen back to the studio where CID.
Speaker 3: You can't oh yeah, but you can't even They're also
Speaker 3: they're weird things like you know, these matches are very
Speaker 3: completely incomprehensible, yes, all right, because they dissolved so often.
Speaker 3: And then there's a moment there where Sting Sid drops
Speaker 3: Sting on the guardrail right in front of a knuckleball Schwartz.
Speaker 3: But they're like, what the fuck? I don't know he
Speaker 3: was there, so they here's the here's the insert moment.
Speaker 12: Sting road wild was glood out so far might come
Speaker 12: back in w c W because one will probably stand
Speaker 12: out for a long time.
Speaker 8: A lot of people don't realize.
Speaker 12: What I achieved in that one win and one fittor
Speaker 12: you overstend I said earlier. He truly is the franchise
Speaker 12: of w c W. He stood all the tests here,
Speaker 12: he went through good and bad times, things like that.
Speaker 12: And what really bothers me is that no one really
Speaker 12: did understand or know what I accomplished in that one
Speaker 12: night because it happened so swift.
Speaker 3: Yeah I don't either. It beats things.
Speaker 7: Are you talking about.
Speaker 8: So suddenly that my power overshadowed the event.
Speaker 12: And it's really sad because the guy beat was when
Speaker 12: I one of the steal one of the greatest competitors
Speaker 12: are our sport.
Speaker 8: With my presence, Some things like that are overshadowed.
Speaker 3: Okay, what do you want? You pin Sting and you
Speaker 3: beat Sting? We you know everyone saw it, but you
Speaker 3: apparently no one noticed it because you're you.
Speaker 7: What are you talking about?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 7: I noticed?
Speaker 3: Still fucking sense whatsoever?
Speaker 7: I noticed it. I watched the show.
Speaker 3: What do you want?
Speaker 8: I know?
Speaker 3: I watched the I watched the fucking three minute clip
Speaker 3: version in your fucking video cassette. Do you expect to
Speaker 3: happen when you beat Sting? That didn't happen? People to
Speaker 3: give a ship? No, I guess Dave Meltzer wasn't talking
Speaker 3: about how fucking Sid beat Sting.
Speaker 7: He doesn't read this the sheets anyway. Is a nice
Speaker 7: finish though, after Superblex, after which Sid just gets up
Speaker 7: as if nothing touched him and stands in the corner
Speaker 7: to take the splash. Sting goes up airborne for the
Speaker 7: stinger splash in the corner and said goozles them out
Speaker 7: of mid air and choke slams.
Speaker 3: Does He hits two stinger splashes and the third one
Speaker 3: Sid catches him, choke slam, gets the pennant's a really
Speaker 3: good finish.
Speaker 7: Just powers through. And I think I bet Sid kind
Speaker 7: of saw that laid out that way and thought it
Speaker 7: was such a strong win over a strong face in
Speaker 7: Sting that it would be considered impactful and people would
Speaker 7: want to see him headline. And he probably didn't get
Speaker 7: the feedback loop he was expecting from from probably negotiating
Speaker 7: a very decisive win hero for the Sting or probably
Speaker 7: told himself this would be a big launch thing if
Speaker 7: he could collect Stings scalp. But at the time Sting
Speaker 7: was making everybody a nut, you know, really try anything
Speaker 7: for him.
Speaker 3: A punching bag. Back then, I can't even think of
Speaker 3: ninety nine Sting as being anything interesting. I really know.
Speaker 7: He had that absolutely fantastic match with DDP on Nitro.
Speaker 7: I think it was April or May timeframe. It's one
Speaker 7: of the best matches ever on Monday night. But that
Speaker 7: was the thing. He would just go out there and
Speaker 7: just perform and have good matches. But he didn't have
Speaker 7: a structured push. He wasn't like the guy. He didn't
Speaker 7: have a belt, he didn't have a lot of promo time.
Speaker 7: He was just out there as a guy that people
Speaker 7: cared about that could you know, carry a segment.
Speaker 3: I mean, doesn't he turn a heel on Hogan and
Speaker 3: foll forget it?
Speaker 7: After that, that's all a joke, and it's all a joke.
Speaker 7: And after getting this huge victory like it was nothing
Speaker 7: at road Wild, Sid hits the floor right away and
Speaker 7: just walks around one more in the record books.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's your own fault. Actually, then you know
Speaker 3: you're not making a big deal out of it. You're
Speaker 3: just fucking acting like nothing happened.
Speaker 7: After the studio, Sid's talking about what he loves doing.
Speaker 8: I love running in, beating up people, what.
Speaker 7: I love running in. Well, you're in the right company.
Speaker 12: Yeah, well two, those are the fun things. Those are
Speaker 12: the things that set up mental intimidation factors. And people
Speaker 12: like Cogan's mind Stein Goldberg List goes on Brett Hart.
Speaker 12: They come out here that feel a comic cool. They
Speaker 12: actect those things don't bother them. It didn't affect them.
Speaker 12: Let me tell you something. The day that I walked
Speaker 12: into the door at WCW, those names I just mentioned,
Speaker 12: they felt the threat, the possibility.
Speaker 8: That they may fail.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, that they felt fail threat, the threat
Speaker 3: the possibility that they may fail.
Speaker 7: Fail yeah, or fail, as he says, I understand that's
Speaker 7: not a yes, they may fail. Well, much can be
Speaker 7: said about World Championship press threat. How about the August
Speaker 7: sixteenth nightro in ninety nine where Sid hits the ring
Speaker 7: on hoovent Tude Guerrera versus Lash LaRue and kills fuckers
Speaker 7: with power bombs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 7: And the name two thousand, the name said vicious will
Speaker 7: be heard the loudest, he says. And in the year
Speaker 7: two thousand, I will accumulate more wins than anyone in
Speaker 7: the history of professional wrestling. As the crowd chanting asshole
Speaker 7: on her board, Yeah, he says, the name Goldberg will
Speaker 7: be obsolete. And you, mister Hogan, and you can chant
Speaker 7: Hogan all night long, which they don't.
Speaker 3: I think I think I have part of this.
Speaker 16: Here, he das.
Speaker 4: No one knows what's happening, is.
Speaker 3: I don't, I don't, I don't thank you.
Speaker 20: In the years two thousand, the names in visus will
Speaker 20: be worth the loudest.
Speaker 5: Do what you like.
Speaker 20: Two thousand oh to night for whims. Let anyone ever
Speaker 20: has believe Professon rastling But they go, where will be out?
Speaker 20: Time you missed the holden.
Speaker 16: I just to didn't hold a hold in?
Speaker 2: Hold good, oh nice.
Speaker 7: And they don't.
Speaker 4: Hold gun.
Speaker 20: You've got something that belongs to me, the world head
Speaker 20: away belt.
Speaker 2: You see, you're not away Chap.
Speaker 16: They'll tell you to talk to me.
Speaker 2: This talking and I'm gonna do this oh nice, long.
Speaker 20: Holdan coming down the kidding me?
Speaker 2: What is Mick?
Speaker 4: The bottom line?
Speaker 3: So, I mean, basically, are you telling me that the
Speaker 3: fans weren't booing in because they had heat on them?
Speaker 3: They were just they it was kind of the bad heat.
Speaker 7: It's just so sad on second chant Hogan all night long,
Speaker 7: and they don't.
Speaker 3: I just uh, you know, because I I mean I
Speaker 3: heard the boo and seven it's like it's actually pretty intense.
Speaker 3: But now it seems like you're telling me that it's
Speaker 3: it's not actually good heat.
Speaker 7: That's great, that's sticky television. Later, Sid runs in on
Speaker 7: Steve Rigel Canyon match and kills both of them, and
Speaker 7: these all count as wins as we talked.
Speaker 3: About earlier, right, But that's that's pretty fucking.
Speaker 7: Its backstage attacking Silver King and Laparca throwing him onto
Speaker 7: boxes and then he power bombs La Parka onto a
Speaker 7: huge sack of you know, arena vending popcorn, and Tony
Speaker 7: Shivani says, thank god the popcorn, thank God for the popcorn.
Speaker 7: I shit, you know. He says that later on Ray
Speaker 7: Mysterio sent orbit from the middle rope.
Speaker 3: And Loady seriously, he's his fucking destroying all these these
Speaker 3: fucking Ham and Eggers.
Speaker 7: Have said Lawn Dark Ray like Nash did back in
Speaker 7: the day, and Loady is all over this tape. He
Speaker 7: gets it as well. Double chokes lamb for both Lodi
Speaker 7: and Lenny. If you remember Lanny Lane and Lodi.
Speaker 3: I try not to. I know we we have seen
Speaker 3: Lodi before. I'd rather just let that go away, just let.
Speaker 7: That's it the future creative control. Once Russeau got his
Speaker 7: hands on My Life and Sid comes out, he says,
Speaker 7: I'm the next w W heavyweight Champion in the world.
Speaker 7: Tony says he's has fifty five wins with no blemishes.
Speaker 7: Is the Red and Yellow Hogan is suddenly on our
Speaker 7: screens with the w W Big Old World title belt
Speaker 7: on his waist and a bandana. Slides into the ring
Speaker 7: and gets stomped by Sid. As soon as he gets
Speaker 7: in with Tony talked about the fansom.
Speaker 3: Now this is the WrestleMania rematch.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they start the same exact way, all.
Speaker 3: Right, like we're not you know, it's not the other one.
Speaker 3: That's that's not a that wasn't it. That was Hollywood Hogan.
Speaker 3: This is this is the real and you know what,
Speaker 3: it goes the same way for the most part. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's kind of funny.
Speaker 7: Just think about how much time we spent kind of
Speaker 7: you know, revisiting how they built up Sid Hogan at
Speaker 7: WrestleMania and how they managed to make it feel so
Speaker 7: big and all the promos and yeah, the intensity of
Speaker 7: Sid's walk to the ring in the Hoosier Dome and
Speaker 7: all of that stuff. I think about what they managed
Speaker 7: to achieve there with these two and now look at this,
Speaker 7: this is only seven years later.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you. That's the thing, you know, that's part
Speaker 3: of the that's part of what is not talked about. Yes,
Speaker 3: during the glory period of the Attitude era, people don't
Speaker 3: talk about the fact that things you're they were so
Speaker 3: desperate to one up each other that they didn't think
Speaker 3: building to the next show. It was about building to
Speaker 3: the next moment tonight very much, and and that.
Speaker 7: And seeing Hogan versait is nitro matches instead of paper
Speaker 7: virdliners right, crazy.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's a complete waste. I just would never.
Speaker 7: Imagine, considering the place in my heart that this match
Speaker 7: held from WRESTLEMANIAID, that I would be this indifferent to
Speaker 7: it once they finally got around to rematching in the
Speaker 7: same company here, I am Logan get stop as soon
Speaker 7: as he gets in, and Tony talking about the fan
Speaker 7: support being firmly on Hogan's side, which they, let me
Speaker 7: tell you, they were rejoicing that for a split second there.
Speaker 7: The WCW crowd went for the Hogan red and yellow
Speaker 7: nostalgia act because they had it right. They had soured
Speaker 7: on the Hollywood Hogan thing for sure. Hogan with a
Speaker 7: black knee brace behind the red knee pad and yeah,
Speaker 7: I noticed that too. Sid slams, Hogan drops the leg
Speaker 7: this time drops it and then Hogan, yes, pops up right.
Speaker 3: But by the way, Shavani calls Sid the Man of
Speaker 3: the Millennium. Is that better or worse than millennium man?
Speaker 7: I think that's worse.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so too. The Man of the Millennium
Speaker 3: sounds so stupid.
Speaker 7: It really, it really does. But that was all I
Speaker 7: want to talk about in nineteen ninety nine, as.
Speaker 3: You know, I know, I know, everyone's talking about fucking
Speaker 3: y two K and that's probably why they rushed out
Speaker 3: to get these vhs is out so fast, because who
Speaker 3: knows that they were even gonna be able to use
Speaker 3: the VHS equipment.
Speaker 7: Now everything would be on the fritz, you know. Hogan
Speaker 7: pops up, hulking up and goes off with a hand
Speaker 7: ends I can't believe my eyes if this is what
Speaker 7: what we're going to right now.
Speaker 3: By the way, there's a there's a funny moment where
Speaker 3: uh uh uh sid uh Sid tells Hogan he's got
Speaker 3: a brain.
Speaker 7: I've got a brain. We'll see about that, Sid. As
Speaker 7: he hits the floor and he's straddling the guardrail when
Speaker 7: he says that, by the way, yeah yeah he is,
Speaker 7: Tony says, we need a word from the championship committee.
Speaker 7: If you count and the guy he's laid out, it
Speaker 7: would be nine. I don't always talking about there.
Speaker 3: Oh oh, I guess he laid out somebody on the floor.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, does that count the champions record? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 7: we would that be the win loss committee mostly loss.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the floor.
Speaker 7: Hogan hits him in the back of the chair, throws
Speaker 7: him over the guardrails, that takes over, taps Hogan on
Speaker 7: the back with the chair in his own right. Hogan
Speaker 7: goes into a table shouting spots to each other, goosele
Speaker 7: and choke slamb Hogan takes the bump, but he doesn't
Speaker 7: cover him. Sid does not cover him.
Speaker 3: He says, I don't know what the fuck that's all about.
Speaker 7: It He says, no, we'll do it, and then he
Speaker 7: covers him after a break.
Speaker 3: He does. I understand, and then understand why he didn't, why.
Speaker 7: He has I don't know what he's waiting for, but
Speaker 7: what he goes for it hold kicks out, holds up big.
Speaker 3: Boot leg and and uh, look at this. It's wrestleming
Speaker 3: Ate all over again.
Speaker 7: My god, because we have to get a fucking run
Speaker 7: in finish again.
Speaker 3: On n Rake Rick Steiner. Rick Steiner plays Papa Shango
Speaker 3: but actually makes it on time so Cid isn't forced
Speaker 3: to kick out of the leg drops. It's Rick Steiner,
Speaker 3: I mean what it is Rick Steiner? And then Sting
Speaker 3: plays Ultimate Warrior.
Speaker 7: Yeah he does you're right.
Speaker 3: Thing comes in, comes in to save the day. He
Speaker 3: plays ultimate warrior. The ring is filled with.
Speaker 7: Guard right, you can tell where Hogan. Hogan doesn't have
Speaker 7: a very deep well, ladies and gentlemen, No, he does
Speaker 7: not have two ideas.
Speaker 3: This is wrestleming. He ate all over again, except for
Speaker 3: this finish Abso, okay, are you ready for this ship.
Speaker 7: He's gonna have Stink turn on him like fucking uh right,
Speaker 7: the Abyss and everybody else.
Speaker 3: But so they cut They kind of cut away pretty
Speaker 3: quickly because it's not about Hogan Steiner staying or whatever.
Speaker 3: It's about Sid. So Hogan boots Steiner and he drops
Speaker 3: the leg and I went because I knew what was
Speaker 3: going to happen. Not that I had ever seen this before,
Speaker 3: but I knew what was going to happen, I mean,
Speaker 3: And so I found the match and Hogan covers rick Steiner.
Speaker 7: They don't show that on the Millennium Man tape.
Speaker 3: They do not. They they faded black before it happens.
Speaker 7: He has to get the one two three on rick Steiner.
Speaker 3: And he has Charles Robinson register the bogus three count.
Speaker 7: Rick Steiner wasn't in the match. It was a one
Speaker 7: on one match.
Speaker 3: He wasn't in the match. It was sid In Hogan.
Speaker 7: Because our whole thing about Hogan being obsessed with the
Speaker 7: visual pinfall is just a figment of our imagination, right.
Speaker 3: Right, Like you know, because what what what sane individual
Speaker 3: thinks that this is a good.
Speaker 7: Thing covers anybody he can to register as many victories
Speaker 7: as he can, as many visual bouts of superiority.
Speaker 3: I mean, it is without it, it is one of
Speaker 3: the more ludicrous moments ever ever.
Speaker 7: And it's also worth noting the ring is filling up
Speaker 7: and completely with garbage, you know, cups and.
Speaker 3: Completely with I mean we're talking nWo like I'm gonna
Speaker 3: tell you, I am gonna bash of the beach ninety
Speaker 3: six garbage.
Speaker 7: I want to say right here that that had to
Speaker 7: be mostly manufactured, because there's no reason that people were.
Speaker 3: That he didn't. The only reason I think they'd be
Speaker 3: upset is because, like we get another fucking bogus fantasy.
Speaker 7: See that, I do see that, But if I also
Speaker 7: see the way bishofs gears turn in a place of desperation,
Speaker 7: He's trying to recreate the atmosphere that he knows was money.
Speaker 7: So let's get I would put it past them to
Speaker 7: engineer some you know, certain people in the crowd starting
Speaker 7: the trend of throwing the drinks, then everybody.
Speaker 3: Else follows suit.
Speaker 7: Because this this seemed very inorganic to me.
Speaker 3: But what do I know now, maybe it will. You're
Speaker 3: probably right this from the I mean, it did surprise me,
Speaker 3: like I'm not. I was actually thinking to myself, this
Speaker 3: seems like a little bit of a low key matchup,
Speaker 3: a low key moment to fucking exactly started throwing shit
Speaker 3: in there.
Speaker 7: From the observer. At the time, paced by a series
Speaker 7: of number one contenders matches that drew huge quarter hours,
Speaker 7: RAW was back up to a six point six to
Speaker 7: two ratings six point three eight first hour, six point
Speaker 7: eight three second hour, and a ten point six share
Speaker 7: on August sixteenth. This is the August sixteenth Nitro we're
Speaker 7: talking about here. In nineteen ninety nine, Nitro, which was
Speaker 7: doubled in six of the eight had to head Quarters
Speaker 7: finished with a three point two eight rating three point
Speaker 7: seven eight first hour two point eight nine, second hour
Speaker 7: three point one eight, third hour at a five point
Speaker 7: four share Over the head to had two hours and
Speaker 7: six minutes, Raw did a six point five eight rating
Speaker 7: to Nitro's three point oh four WWF to were a
Speaker 7: monstrous seven point twenty seven quarter which featured both the
Speaker 7: China Verse Triple H match along with the Jericho confrontation
Speaker 7: of Undertaker and Big Show. The Mankind Versus China match
Speaker 7: tore a seven point one zero rating, while the Mankind
Speaker 7: vers Triple H match dre a six point one to
Speaker 7: three final quarter and the overrun, which went unopposed in
Speaker 7: the final three minutes, grew to a seven point one
Speaker 7: to three. There was very little in the way of
Speaker 7: good news for Nitro other than a relatively strong showing
Speaker 7: of the Hulk cog and versus Sid Vicious main event
Speaker 7: promoted heavily throughout the show, which did a three point
Speaker 7: sixty four final quarter and a four point two six overrun.
Speaker 7: So that is boss a three point six y four
Speaker 7: for hul Coke and Versus SID to a seven points
Speaker 7: two seven for China Verse Triple H and the rest
Speaker 7: and then China Mankind seven point one zero. Just a
Speaker 7: huge gap. I mean, I do remember them building that well,
Speaker 7: and nobody's talking about they did the same with the
Speaker 7: first match when he was in Hollywood Colors. They did
Speaker 7: a really good job of like in the Macho Man
Speaker 7: match I mentioned we're holding up the belt back of
Speaker 7: you know, teasing it and segue making you want to
Speaker 7: stay tuned for the main event. Now, the finish they
Speaker 7: delivered in the sid match was not something that make
Speaker 7: you want to come along for the ride next.
Speaker 3: Time, not at all. No, I'd I'd definitely quit.
Speaker 7: Alto wroute the two quarters that Rod didn't double Nitro
Speaker 7: or the second quarter where Road Dog versus Al Snow
Speaker 7: and the beginning of an Undertaker show. Jericho's segment went
Speaker 7: against Diamond Dallas Page versus Kidman, which was a five
Speaker 7: point seven to three point two margin, and the final
Speaker 7: quarter the biggest gap was the China Vers Triple h
Speaker 7: quarter going against Ben Wavers Disco, which was the best
Speaker 7: actual wrestling match of either show, but true the lowest
Speaker 7: quarter of the night at two point four to two.
Speaker 1: The lap Fan Wrestling Podcast the wrestling podcast that knows
Speaker 1: the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan m
Speaker 1: He's an Elapsed Fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnacio,
Speaker 1: m J. Piso.
Speaker 7: Back to Studio ZID. What type of person are you,
Speaker 7: m H.
Speaker 8: I'm the type of person that I'm gonna be in
Speaker 8: your face. If I have something to say, I'm not
Speaker 8: gonna do it behind your back.
Speaker 12: I'm gonna go afront you face to face, and I'm
Speaker 12: gonna let you know how I feel face to face.
Speaker 4: Six sixteen Saturday. Here he's a ride.
Speaker 3: What a ride.
Speaker 7: So he's racking up wins over Johnny the Bull and
Speaker 7: Michael Gripwreck and Hoovey and Lodi and Lenny, and he's
Speaker 7: going up to seventy and Disco Inferno, all these guys
Speaker 7: eating shit. And then we go to the August thirtieth
Speaker 7: ninety nine Nitro now at seventy five, and oh yeah,
Speaker 7: there's no end. There's no end, there's no end.
Speaker 3: He says, Yeah, well you have I have from when
Speaker 3: he says, and the tally.
Speaker 7: Just keeps what game we play is real easy to
Speaker 7: men and are only one man survives? Thank God for
Speaker 7: these dissolves. By the way, how torturous these promos were
Speaker 7: back then To watch him meander through, you know, ten
Speaker 7: minutes of open mic time, I mean, it just.
Speaker 3: Hurts to know, like what I know, because I actually
Speaker 3: thought this stuff was like he came across such as
Speaker 3: such a maniacal beast. But I'm understanding that that's not
Speaker 3: the case.
Speaker 7: You see it side by side by side, like, oh
Speaker 7: my god, it's much like when we played, you know,
Speaker 7: samples of all his promos from his first title run
Speaker 7: in WWF, it's like, oh my god. When you listen
Speaker 7: to him side by side, like this guy just says
Speaker 7: the same thing over and over and over again. Yeah,
Speaker 7: and in pro wrestling, to some degree, that's fine, and
Speaker 7: if you have the space of you know, not having
Speaker 7: it side by side and a week passes, it's not
Speaker 7: so bad. But when you see him like this, you're like, dude,
Speaker 7: this guy has no idea how to carry a tune,
Speaker 7: so to.
Speaker 3: Speak on the microphone.
Speaker 7: And it was bad because they put him out there
Speaker 7: for like fifteen minutes every week and he just stand
Speaker 7: there and he try to, you know, allude to the streak.
Speaker 7: He tried to tease a couple of matches, and you
Speaker 7: could just tell he was constantly having a reset and
Speaker 7: remind himself like what he was there to say, and
Speaker 7: it was it was bad television. Back to studio or
Speaker 7: you have something for the promom, Sorry, well.
Speaker 3: I have this, I have this, this, this, this tally
Speaker 3: thing here and the time goes higher.
Speaker 4: They're higher, and it seems that there's just snowing.
Speaker 7: There's no Yeah, I know said there's no, there's no.
Speaker 9: So now.
Speaker 4: I don't have to pick it up a little bit,
Speaker 4: bringing sty to me.
Speaker 2: Ringing over high.
Speaker 12: They're high.
Speaker 2: To prove the outs a gout.
Speaker 4: Dim the Milaennium man and I have no cal because
Speaker 4: the game we play is real easy.
Speaker 11: To leave it.
Speaker 20: And only one man survice and how keep loton t
Speaker 20: I don't come love.
Speaker 16: Wow, he means business.
Speaker 20: We have covered in two thousand. They will always sing
Speaker 20: one name I never will be.
Speaker 8: Said.
Speaker 9: This is.
Speaker 8: And that.
Speaker 12: Says enough.
Speaker 11: Is this the Millennium man, as he proclase said enough,
Speaker 11: remember that sick enough?
Speaker 7: Oh my god, you're not kidding Sid, fucking hell.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's like it's like he just like you know,
Speaker 3: I mean, he is he is milking beyond milking. I
Speaker 3: don't know how long he was given to do these promos,
Speaker 3: but he is just like on and on and on
Speaker 3: and on. It's so absurd, absurd, and it's worthy of
Speaker 3: a highlight videotape. Apparently, of course, of course, go back.
Speaker 7: To a studio as Sid now has to throw shade
Speaker 7: on the relatively diminutive Chris ben Waugh because well he's
Speaker 7: not a big man.
Speaker 12: Chrispin Waugh is, without a doubt, for a small guy.
Speaker 12: It's a very intense competitor. He brings a lot of
Speaker 12: things to the table, but he's not able to do
Speaker 12: is wipe off the table because his arms are so
Speaker 12: short you can't reach over and grab other stuff.
Speaker 8: And so said, Okay, just kidding.
Speaker 3: We know.
Speaker 12: He was foolish enough to give me an opportunity at
Speaker 12: the title shot, and he was nice enough to give it.
Speaker 3: To me in his own way. Was he foolish enough
Speaker 3: or was he nice in his own way? Yeah?
Speaker 7: Indeed, unless you think that knock at ben Waffer being
Speaker 7: small was just character work. Here's Sid on the In
Speaker 7: Your Head Wrestling podcast calling a memory around this time.
Speaker 7: Like you mentioned, the Revolution stable is running strong, Chrispin,
Speaker 7: wat Dean Malenko, Perry Saturn all kind of joining forces
Speaker 7: to basically the Radicals before the Radicals in WCW. Sure,
Speaker 7: and came a point on a nightro where Saturn and
Speaker 7: Malinka were matched up against Sid in attack match and
Speaker 7: building to this one and the way that Sid reacts
Speaker 7: to Dean Malinko suggesting something for the for the match.
Speaker 7: Really says it all.
Speaker 5: Dude, I got one story that's gonna pat myself on
Speaker 5: the back. And this is why I was with people,
Speaker 5: especially anyone, and it just wasn't just one would.
Speaker 8: Ask me to do something stupid.
Speaker 5: Now, one night, me and Randy Savage are working Dean
Speaker 5: Malinko and somebody I want to say, Perry Sattern or
Speaker 5: Crispin Mall, and Dean Malinko comes to me and says, hey, man,
Speaker 5: do you mind if I give you.
Speaker 8: A drop toho? I do a really good drop toho.
Speaker 8: I said, no, Dean, this is what we're gonna do.
Speaker 5: You're gonna tag in and I'm gonna bomb you, and
Speaker 5: we have the referee throw up another win. Then I'm
Speaker 5: we'll grab you up and do it again and we're
Speaker 5: gonna get another win, you know. And I'm just gonna
Speaker 5: keep doing that to stack up wins. And so we
Speaker 5: left away from that, and Randy goes, man, that's what
Speaker 5: I like to hear. Now that the thing is, Randy
Speaker 5: didn't have enough nerve to say that himself, but I did,
Speaker 5: uh huh, you know.
Speaker 8: And I did that to anyone I needed to do
Speaker 8: that too, not Dean Malenko.
Speaker 3: Fucking it.
Speaker 7: Drop toe hold. No, we're not. I'm gonna power bomb sometimes.
Speaker 3: Drop toh, Okay, that's what it was. I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 3: Drop toe ho my.
Speaker 7: Dean Malenko too Studios where they did a bunch of
Speaker 7: Godzilla movies. Sid did the same thing to Van Hammer
Speaker 7: when he came back to w W nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 7: Remember Bill Dundee was in the office and he was like,
Speaker 7: Van Hammer had ideas and say, actually, what we're gonna do? So,
Speaker 7: I'm gonna power bomb me in ten seconds?
Speaker 3: In pin you what's gonna happen. I'm gonna power bomb
Speaker 3: you in ten seconds. There's no drop to ho. Right,
Speaker 3: there's not gonna be any any.
Speaker 7: Arm slingers, definitely not, definitely not It's not gonna be you.
Speaker 3: Any any any any footlocks. Right, We're talking about powerbomb
Speaker 3: and power bomb, power bomb eighteen times until I get
Speaker 3: what I need out of ye.
Speaker 7: That's the truth. And so we close here with the
Speaker 7: match between Sid and Chris Benoa at Fall Brown nineteen
Speaker 7: ninety nine for the United States Championship. They show on
Speaker 7: the tape of package of them killing a bunch of
Speaker 7: guys and saying ben wi You're the biggest man I've
Speaker 7: ever I've ever faced. O. Ben was saying to Sid,
Speaker 7: You're the biggest man I've ever faced.
Speaker 3: And this is where we get the revolution. This is
Speaker 3: what got me on the fucking rabbit hole. You're with
Speaker 3: this stupid group called You're the only one he really
Speaker 3: stands out.
Speaker 16: Well, mister Millennium man.
Speaker 7: God, I'm not standing out well, mister Millennium man. I'm
Speaker 7: not standing out. I'm stepping up. Okay, Chris, we're doing
Speaker 7: a promo by a murderer, Ben wa doing a promo
Speaker 7: shirtlest with a black wrist tape on Oh my god,
Speaker 7: Ben Wah.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, I literally I was. I was saying,
Speaker 3: he's got to say something about how he's revolutionary. Oh
Speaker 3: my god, I know I went on this fucking rabbit
Speaker 3: hole looking and looking, not even knowing by the way,
Speaker 3: that that was a fucking thunder, not even a nitro.
Speaker 7: It was a fun that's pain, and so I was like,
Speaker 7: you know, I'd.
Speaker 3: Go through eight shows on pecock man.
Speaker 7: I'm I'm I feel last. I'm certain if it was
Speaker 7: said it was during the said Justice run, it wasn't
Speaker 7: a WSW.
Speaker 3: It's funny that you say that because I always I
Speaker 3: always remember you talking about it having to do with
Speaker 3: him being the millennium man. I guess not. I guess
Speaker 3: we'll never know. If you're in college, I guess not.
Speaker 7: We'll never know. Probably the same place I got v
Speaker 7: K thunder Lager from. So it's fall Brown ninety nine
Speaker 7: and Tony Sivanni says, regardless if you feel the winning
Speaker 7: streak is legitimate or not great, So they're giving voice
Speaker 7: to that on the broadcast today says seventy nine and zero.
Speaker 7: When Goldberg won the US title, they say he was
Speaker 7: only seventy five and zero. So that's they're trying to do.
Speaker 7: They're trying to get sid past the point that Goldberg
Speaker 7: was at a similar juncture.
Speaker 3: So and again, what they needed to do, they really
Speaker 3: needed to have to make that the whole thing work
Speaker 3: and make him seem like an obnoxious tool is to
Speaker 3: have the commentators can always say no, this is not
Speaker 3: act right.
Speaker 7: Worst they really didn't do until right the backlash was
Speaker 7: such that they kind of like not leaned into it,
Speaker 7: but they were really just thinking that they could just
Speaker 7: manufacture enough of a wind streak to get people to
Speaker 7: want to see Russell Goldberg, which I'm not saying it
Speaker 7: didn't work, but.
Speaker 3: I mean I think people want to see again on
Speaker 3: paper Goldberg Sid is a money match, Like I'd want
Speaker 3: to see that in a pay per view agreed, no question,
Speaker 3: Like you don't have to do that. I think this
Speaker 3: would just be flavor for it.
Speaker 7: You know what would have sold the match ten times
Speaker 7: bigger is if you didn't see Sid until the pay
Speaker 7: per view. You announced it like two months out and
Speaker 7: he maybe he said some things, but like you didn't
Speaker 7: see him do anything to anybody until the great Sid
Speaker 7: came into WCW, the Russell Goldberg. I think that's where
Speaker 7: the money is is to see Sid.
Speaker 3: I mean that's for sure. If you're going to do
Speaker 3: a straight match, absolutely, But if you're gonna do this, this, this,
Speaker 3: you know street gimmick, it's fun to have him do
Speaker 3: it week to week and kind of do this stuff.
Speaker 3: I just don't think in a weird way I would
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have him wrestle on pay per view against
Speaker 3: like I wouldn't have him do a Crispin wa match. No, Like,
Speaker 3: I don't think you should have had a legitimate match
Speaker 3: on pay per view if that's what you're building towards
Speaker 3: it's gonna be kind of squash mask squash mask squash match,
Speaker 3: and then all these other fucking you know, these these
Speaker 3: other you know, backstage segments, right and and in and
Speaker 3: run ins and stuff, and just like in him saying,
Speaker 3: there's another one.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, they don't have you have to do
Speaker 7: if you want to do that, I'm arguing to not
Speaker 7: even do the winning street thing. But if you're going
Speaker 7: to do it, of course, I know you got to
Speaker 7: do it.
Speaker 8: I know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I mean yes, if you, like I said,
Speaker 3: if you're gonna go for the straight match, you agree,
Speaker 3: Like you don't even need to have have him do
Speaker 3: some fucking vignettes like have him, you know, have him
Speaker 3: be all over the like, have him go to all
Speaker 3: Goldberg's fucking places, like have him go to the Falcons
Speaker 3: or whatever, the talk of the locker room, and maybe
Speaker 3: he fucking destroys the locker room, Goldberg's old locker There
Speaker 3: was the Falcons, right, he played for the.
Speaker 7: Falcons, Yeah, very briefly. Yeah, yeah, so you know, but
Speaker 7: that'd be that'd be cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with it. I'm with it.
Speaker 7: So they lock up and Sid absolutely heats Ben wah
Speaker 7: off the lock up.
Speaker 3: Oh he fucking does.
Speaker 7: I don't know what he means, just to throw something
Speaker 7: across the room.
Speaker 3: Basically, that doesn't make sense.
Speaker 7: So Sid charges and runs in to stop talking.
Speaker 3: This fucking gen Z ship. I don't I don't follow
Speaker 3: that language. Goldberg champ.
Speaker 7: I listened to it every fucking day. I don't follow it.
Speaker 7: Then goes for a cross bodies the Goldberg chance breaking
Speaker 7: Ben Wall goes for the cross body, gets caught. Ben
Speaker 7: Wace dropped back in here Germans. Sid goes up.
Speaker 3: That does Okay, he didn't he does? That was really impressive.
Speaker 3: He didn't have some words of wisdom for us.
Speaker 16: The size of the fighting dog, the size of the dog.
Speaker 9: In the fight.
Speaker 16: It's just a big dog.
Speaker 2: He's the biggest dog in the box. And that's a hetonism,
Speaker 2: a freight.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he still had it even in ninety nine.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep and flashes.
Speaker 7: Sid took the German well Ben Water the crucifix, but
Speaker 7: Sid jumps back and squashes him in a simmom and
Speaker 7: drop and then puts the cobra clutch on. Yes, Sid
Speaker 7: was trying to make the cobra clutch a thing, and
Speaker 7: from that position he lifts and dumps Ben Wall like
Speaker 7: he turned it into a slam guy. I will say,
Speaker 7: guys like Chris ben Wah made Sid look like Sid.
Speaker 7: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Of course, of course, I mean that's that's that's the
Speaker 3: only way it works. You need guys like Chris Benoit
Speaker 3: who who's who know how to make other guys look
Speaker 3: fantastic and.
Speaker 7: Go for the ride on those bumps.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, like they shot out of it. You know, ultimately,
Speaker 3: is that the downfall of a Chris ben Wah.
Speaker 7: Maybe Ben one goes to a sunset flip and said
Speaker 7: drops down onto his shoulders because he's such a worker.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ben want.
Speaker 7: Missus a diving headbutt, and that allows Hid to just
Speaker 7: scop him up power bomb in the hell and win
Speaker 7: the US title at Fall Brawl ninety nine.
Speaker 3: Yep, and he goes eighty and Oh.
Speaker 7: Looks into the camera and says, it's all mine. I'm
Speaker 7: gonna go back to the studio for thoughts on Bill Goldberg.
Speaker 12: Bill Goldberg, I believe the most underestimated thing about this
Speaker 12: man is his love.
Speaker 8: For the people. It's sickening.
Speaker 24: I've been watching you, said, brother, I've been watching you
Speaker 24: come out here, Henreek Havoc.
Speaker 4: Yes, I admire your strength, but one thing I will
Speaker 4: not stand for.
Speaker 3: It's your mouth.
Speaker 12: We're both entiens, competitors. We both have the same wants.
Speaker 12: We both want to make the big money. We both
Speaker 12: want to be main event. We want to stand down.
Speaker 12: We don't want to have no comparisons.
Speaker 3: The sounds like a fucking child, Sure does a fucking child. Oh,
Speaker 3: we're getting to where we need to go. Yep, Goldberg
Speaker 3: versus Sid. The whole pretense, the whole reason, and a
Speaker 3: lot of ways that Sid was brought into w CW
Speaker 3: was to have a match with Goldberg. And we're getting
Speaker 3: there at the tail end of this tape, and we
Speaker 3: ride out with his final thoughts, if you.
Speaker 12: Want to be on top, it's a big workload. He
Speaker 12: goes with that, And I was thinking about that last time.
Speaker 12: So I was driving into here, I said, ma'am so
Speaker 12: tired and getting into my hotel.
Speaker 8: It's four o'clock. You guys want to hear at twelve
Speaker 8: and hit me just like that. Ma're like, I shot
Speaker 8: right here like a light where all our complaints left.
Speaker 8: Because this is well.
Speaker 12: I love, I love all the duties that come with
Speaker 12: being successful, and I like to be able to do
Speaker 12: these duties.
Speaker 8: To the best I can do.
Speaker 12: But when we walk out of here today, you guys
Speaker 12: will say, hey, this was pretty cool sitting here talking
Speaker 12: to this guy.
Speaker 7: And so we're on the collision course with the big opponent.
Speaker 7: But for SID and World Championship Wrestling, the biggest opponent
Speaker 7: would be still to come. Announcement as a TJ
Speaker 1: De Santis production, its contents is intended for private use only.