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Speaker 7: And posed So it's on once again to World Championship
Wrestling for Sid Vicious Boss.
Speaker 3: That's just fucking nuts.
Speaker 7: I mean when you think after stabbing someone nearly to death,
that would kind of be a closed door.
Speaker 3: Well, especially since he's you know, still isn't is it
our interstone still in the company.
Speaker 7: Huh yeah, right, Like, how does that happen? Well, not
only are we going to chart how it happened, we're
going to chart how the deal was papered.
Speaker 8: Oh I love that.
Speaker 7: Told you last time in our TLF tribute to Sid
that we got our hot little hands on a copy
of Sid's WCW contract that brought him back to the
organization in the spring of nineteen ninety nine. And you're
goddamn right that we're going to treat it lap style.
Put it on the table boss for deep examination. It's
back to the courtroom. It's back to the docket. What
do you say, Hey, listen, you know it's we all ever.
Everyone needs a new trial. Okay, we're gonna get back
to the courtroom. We got to fucking get contracts. We
need to We need to understand, all right, what is
what is Sid entitled to?
Speaker 3: Right? Okay? What is he obligated to?
Speaker 7: Finally we get the answer. After all these years and
ten years of jokes on TLF about Sid not being
obligated to make his appearances, we get the actual black
and white on what he's obliging to do.
Speaker 3: Obligations, what are they? What does he have to do?
What is he not obligated to do? What is the reality?
Speaker 7: Whatever? This part is Sid Tribute Part seven, Obligations Here
it is. And not only is he welcomed back after
doing what he did, he's welcomed back to the richest
contract he'd ever seen in his life.
Speaker 3: That's insane.
Speaker 7: And you heard him in the clipping plate of the
inclusion of last episode talking about how this was. You know,
he's sitting across the table from Eric Bischoff, who stylishly
flew his own plane to meet him, and they're sitting
there at the cracker barrel and Sid assumed that the
number Eric put out there was for a cumulative three
year deal, not annually at one point five million or
whatever number. Sid said, Well, the reason I didn't bother
to commit that to memories because we've got the black
and white in front of us, and suffice to say,
it's not exactly one point five million year, but you know,
it's something or other. There's always ways to slice and
dice it. We'll get to that. But you know, what
did Sid come to be worth after all these years
and all these stints and all these flash points that
we've covered over the weeks here in tribute to Sid,
who of course we lost this year at an untimely age,
and who was such a cornerstone part of the Golden
Hasbro era that put us all on the track to
not only create this podcast, but you know, probably for
you to listen to it being such a cornerstone at
that time period. What did it amount to? Because Sid
always talked about this contract is the one that really
set him up, not so much for life, although considering,
you know, everyone said he lived in fairly modest means
in Arkansas, it probably did set him up for life. Really,
there's a lot of money that he could put away.
Speaker 3: He lived body like a was he like a like
a cee him punk type, just fucking not spending any
money at all, you know.
Speaker 7: As far as yeah, I mean everyone would say that
knew him personally, that he always drove very humble vehicles,
that he just kind of you know, he didn't have
a big, flashy, fancy house. He didn't have a mansion.
He he was just as happy, you know, working on
the farm. Or as his wife told Jim Cornett, as
we talked about last time, maybe going back to selling
farm chemicals. Maybe that'd be better for Sid. You know,
sometimes Sid things he just needs to go back there.
Just this is a guy who always, whether it be softball,
that whatever, had.
Speaker 3: His right here. I thought, fucking you know, Jesse Ventura
was the guy who who kept going back.
Speaker 8: Going back.
Speaker 7: But for some you know, that's the silver lining of
not living beyond your means is you can just fucking
parachute out of a job when it pisses you off. Right, Sure,
sure you don't end up buying so much and getting
so mortgage that you have to stick around in a
high paying job. And once they sniff that out of you,
they're going to exploit you to the hilt. And here's
Sid is in a position where Jesus Christ, he doesn't
even have to show up to work to get paid.
And this is the master of coming up with injuries
to find a way out.
Speaker 3: You know, Oh, he is the master.
Speaker 7: And now can you imagine you're going to guaranteed check
in the mail even if he comes up with another injury.
Not to say the man didn't get legitimately hurt throughout
the course of his career because he did. He was
a big man and he took relatively big bumps for
his size and we all know how it ended, which
if we do, but it's going to be so great
to dig in. I mean, WW contracts are always such
a gold mine, from the Hogan contract at the Bachelor
of the Beach two thousand episode, not just WCW contracts.
We talked about the Warriors ninety two contract when we
did that Saturday nights. Oh yeah, oh absolutely, it's all
in here, fucking crazy, and we're going to get to
what the terms of engagement were for Sid's final signature
and most lucrative run, as he not only came back
to WW, but captured their world title for the first time.
And in fact, Boss had a tribute VHS made for him.
It's called the Millennium Man, and we're going to get
into it. In fact, we're going to die of the
Son of a Bitch.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 7: There's a bit of a story, and correct me if
I'm wrong. It's holiday tied. As far as getting our
hands on that VHS, it is.
Speaker 3: Absolutely that that was a gift from UH, from our
good friend over at Mabel Toys.
Speaker 7: So if you don't know the WW Superstar series. This
is post. Well you know that there's before they redid
the logo and here you're okay if you don't, yeah, exactly,
I don't blame you. That's why I feel compelled to
point this out. There's the pre redoing a logo and
post that's wway everything that was done after the logo
was redone. This complete shit and speaks to why the
company spiraled down Hail so quickly.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's just an awful I mean, it's it's
a grotesque video in the only the only interesting thing
is the quote unquote un you know, never before seen footage.
Speaker 7: Which makes you think that you're in for some cool
like match footage after they went off the air, But
that's not what it is.
Speaker 3: Or like matches that they didn't ever show before. And
it's like, you know, I should know better by now.
Like whenever they say shit like that, it's never that.
It's always like they need to like honestly, and I
don't think this would have been a bad thing to
market it as, but you just say, instead of never
before seen footage, why don't you just say brand new interviews,
never before seen?
Speaker 7: Yeah, heart to heart interview that says it, because that's
what it is.
Speaker 3: Like, it's just interview footage, does nothing new, It's all
TV footage. But like when you say never before seen footage,
it makes it seem like and again to me, yes,
obviously never before seeing footage is gonna sell more tickets
and more sell more video cassettes. But even saying brand
new interview footager or some kind of exclusive interview footage
never before seen is also gonna be I think it's gonna,
you know, sell videotapes.
Speaker 7: You could say like Sid's most candid interview to date
or something.
Speaker 3: Right, something like that. But like when you say never
before seen footage, it even got me excited for a
split second. I'm like, oh, I wonder what they fucking
have here, and then oh, yeah, of course it's shit,
is what it is.
Speaker 7: Because the Superstars series tapes, for those who remember, and
I don't blame you for not because WW was selling
the Wayne when they came out with these. It was
kind of like a half step towards like a shoot
tape in that right, they wouldn't ask the guy's exclusively
k FAB questions on these releases, so you would get
a little bit of like honest answers. I mean, they
wouldn't shatter k fame or anything. They would they would
talk about the characters in the angles. But a lot
of the things Sid says in those interstitials, you know,
are things he would actually say even if he wasn't working.
I think about his position in the company, teaming with
the likes of Randy Savage, which he was linked with
in the very beginning, Rick Stein or and others, and.
Speaker 3: It's just no fucking clue about it. I mean, I
will say, for me, it was never before seen. I
had no fucking clue there was all this shit that
was going on with him.
Speaker 7: I was gonna say, yeah, what's your sense?
Speaker 3: Were you?
Speaker 7: Because I get a story? But were you aware that
Sid even came back in ninety nine?
Speaker 8: Yes?
Speaker 3: I did know that Sid was back. I knew that
he I knew that he uh he was I remember
him facing off with Goldberg, not even facing off, but
I knew that he was feuding with Goldberg. I knew,
and I knew about the Ben Wahth thing in January
of two thousand. Yeah, that's it. I didn't really know.
I wasn't following on a regular base. I had no
fucking idea.
Speaker 7: Those are the newsworthy things that happened, So it makes
sense that those are the things that would sort of
bubble up. But there was so much that happened in
WCW that like everyone forgot about everyone memory hold because
it was so hard to watch and it was such
a terrible time for WCW, you know, because Sid was
always a draw. It's not like everywhere he goes immediately
begins to go downhill and then spikes as soon.
Speaker 3: As he leaves. I gotta say, I gotta say one
thing though with this video, that they did a really
good job. They did a really good job making him
look like a fucking ruthless killer.
Speaker 7: Yes.
Speaker 3: Now I am curious how that, you know, as someone
who actually watched the stuff and who actually probably you
remember the stuff, I imagine that when it's so so
like uh streamlined, and it's so like razor focused, that
it does come off great. But I imagine it didn't
come off great when you were watching week to week.
Speaker 7: Right when you put side to side, you know it's
pay per view main events. You got to think like
you had to wait a month to get to these
these high points, and the TV in between was just
not just not good. I mean, it's it kind of
funny because I mean again, he looked he came across
like a fucking monster.
Speaker 3: Well he did.
Speaker 7: It is in fact, I would say some of the
more effective booking he's enjoyed in his career, at least
in the national spotlight that they knew they had a
conviction that a Sid Goldberg match would be money because
that was one opponent that Goldberg hadn't taken on, that
you could credibly put up against, that had some star
power where people are like, you know what, like this
could be fun, Like just on paper, thinking of Goldberg
versus Sid is fun. And the reason that's fun is
the reason Sid is so fondly remembered because he just
had that that that essence, that aura, that impression on
anybody who saw him anywhere near his prime.
Speaker 3: So you know, they had it's a great match to
It's a great match to book, a great match to sell.
It's not a great match to watch.
Speaker 7: Did you watch the Goldberg match at aliwen hav It?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no.
Speaker 7: No, Because that's the dis name of this tape is
it builds up the Goldberg match so much. But they
put it out before the Goldberg match happened.
Speaker 3: I know it's a very it's so it's a really
amazing I didn't really gather until until I just started,
you know, towards the end, I sorted looking up, mainly
because all right, i'll because it didn't pan out, so
I don't mind talking about this. So he talked about
in one of the promos on the video, SID talks
about being it's a cuts a promo on Ben Wah
and Ben Wall was part of the revolution whatever faction
that was, and so I was thinking, holy shit, this
is it, this is gonna be it. This is where
you get the revolutionary from. He's gonna say something here
and say that he's revolutionary. You're fuck you with your
revolution I'm revolutionary.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: And so I went looking for the actual fucking episode,
which I thought was an I don't even I went.
I spent way too much time trying to find that
fucking promo, thinking that was gonna be the answer. And
it wasn't, obviously, because you know, you don't get that
kind of satisfaction. That's when it comes to nineteen ninety nine,
two thousand, twousand and one. Ww. Nor should you get
that you don't get any satisfaction. No, you don't, you
don't at all. I know, and so but I you know,
I spent and that's when I realized. I'm like, Okay,
when did they I said, this is for the US title?
When did this happen? Obviously it's not sold out. I
know that when did this happen? And then it's like
it happened in September, like how long? And I'm realizing
that the whole fucking tape comprises ten weeks of time.
Speaker 7: It's like nothing.
Speaker 3: It's like, it's wild how much.
Speaker 7: It curiously captures the essence of this WW run for
Sid because he the most impactful stuff he did was
pretty much front loaded. But it's just like totally it's
a totally arbitrary sampling, Like there could be no reason
you'd put a tape out with it unless there was
like a deadline, you had a box to check, right,
It's not a fully formed story yet, not even closed,
especially when they built up the Goldberg streak and then
don't give you.
Speaker 3: The match and then the don't even fucking do it,
Like I mean, obviously, I imagine this thing fucking came out
before the year end, you know, and so that's why
they fucking rushed to get it out.
Speaker 7: Now, did you know you were aware that Goldberg faced
Sid in WCW. Beck then in nineteen ninety nine, were
you were aware that they manufactured a fake streak for
Sid to run? Oh?
Speaker 3: I did not know that, thoughts. That was brand new.
I actually with Sid playing a complete maniacal asshole heel,
I thought it was great. Yes, I thought it was great.
I love this idea. Like, and to me correct me
if I'm wrong, it didn't seem like it always had
to do with a victory in the ring. It seemed
like if he just fucking killed somebody, he counted that
as a win.
Speaker 7: Yeah, because they only had so much time to get
to help and havoc.
Speaker 3: That is awesome. Like, actually, I think that is a
brilliant idea for somebody to like, you know, to claim
themselves to be on the level of Goldberg and then
you just say, you know what, I power bomb this
asshole on some fucking popcorn.
Speaker 7: That's a win, yeah, Laparca. Yeah, Yeah, Well that's funny
you say that, because I was wondering where you'd come
down on it at the time. I kind of remember
it being received as like lazy booking, like more than anything,
they were sort of you know, putting the carp for
the horse. They wanted to get to a number so
that SID could have matched Goldberg Streak, which in its
own right was fictitious by the end anyway, right, And
they had Mike Tiney on air who came up with
the whole idea of the Goldberg streak kind of vouching
for this SID number and updating us on the SID number.
And even they still couldn't credibly get SID to that
win count, even counting every house show they did. So
they had to, like you say, come up with these
scenarios where he would lay out six people on a
nitro and that would be considered six wins, even though
those weren't matches. Those are just run ins. Those are
just beatdowns.
Speaker 3: I think, think if it's done, you know, the thing is,
it's got to be done. I don't know how it
was done on on television week two week, but you know,
it came across as being like he's being obnoxed, which
is funny. Yeah, exactly, like like like he's like exactly
like he's just like he's a mix of obnoxious psychotic
and and just doesn't give a shit that you know,
if I kick you in the balls, that's a win
for me.
Speaker 7: Right that is, that's pretty funny to walk around kicking
people in the balls and then adding one to the score.
Speaker 3: Because I kicked you in the balls before you kick
me in the ball, so I win.
Speaker 7: I mean, by the way, that'll be roun two years,
they'll pretend to get it from us, but there'll be
some gimmick where guy walks around and kicks people in the nuts.
Speaker 3: Are two years when they're on Netflix will be fucking
on there.
Speaker 7: But yeah, I suppose if you spin it that way.
At the time, it was kind of just like, let's
run the score up and just, you know, whatever we
have to do, even if we have to make complete
illogical sense. But if you put because Sid didn't really
play it up like he was delusional. He played it
up like he believed that he was getting these wins
and that it was like rightful. But I guess, yeah,
point that that's perfectly fine because it's Sid, And that's
been the whole theme through this whole thing. It's like Sid,
Sid can call himself the master and the ruler of
the world, and people don't laugh at him because you
kind of believe that, Like, even if he thinks it's bullshit,
go ahead say something.
Speaker 3: You know you're right exactly.
Speaker 7: And if you think it's winning streak is bullshit, come
and do something about it. And no one does anything
about it. So he just keeps adding to the tally
because he's nuts. And yeah, he believes those are actual wins.
But that actually works for the Sid character instead of
it being some guy that totally loses his face because
he actually believes in the streak that you know, contains
very few official victories.
Speaker 3: I I just I actually I thought it was. I
mean again, this is just on the on the VHS tape.
I don't know how it played, and you're saying it
didn't play as well. I think I think it just
it would have looked. So I think it just sounds
fucking hilarious and kind of badass in a Sid way,
you know, kind of. Again, I don't think there are
many people. The only other person you could do that
is like with a Jericho doing it for absolute comedy,
right and and but if you do it for for Sid,
it's like it's kind of you know, it almost makes
it become a little scary in a way. Yeah, because
you've got someone who's not willing to to abide by
the rules, abide by the uh the uh uh, well,
the conventions of the convention, exact conventions is what I'm
looking for, the conventions of what a win loss streak
looks like. And he's just like, no, I'm just gonna
fucking do what I want. And I mean that also
plays into lap SID in many ways.
Speaker 7: I don't know, we'll probably also deride it done think
about it, because Sid was plugged squarely into the Kevin
Nash roll of like let's let's lay out as many
Luca doors and Cruiser weights as we can every week.
Speaker 3: Even though that that also laughed, and that made me
laugh so hard. I'm like, look who they're fucking giving
to him, as as as food, they're giving him all
these all these luchadors and all these fucking tiny ass motherfuckers,
Like who who are who now?
Speaker 9: Have?
Speaker 3: After after working so hard to get you know, over years,
maybe getting two steps ahead, now they've been thrown seven
steps back?
Speaker 7: And who has the book?
Speaker 8: Whatever?
Speaker 3: Man? Fucking exactly, I.
Speaker 7: Don't know why I'm the mark just because I don't.
Speaker 3: Think you're gonna have them fucking feet on, you know,
big fucking guys. So you gotta build that. You know,
you can't have them throw around big guys otherwise it
defeats the whole fucking purpose.
Speaker 7: And look, before you come after me on this front,
let's not forget I lost clean one, two three in
the middle of Nitro to Raymisterio and Bark the fucking win.
Speaker 3: What do you want? You know, Yeah, I'm just saying, look,
you know, sometimes you got to feed the guy, the
big guy, the little guys. You know, you got the
big shark eating the little fish. It's fucking nature, It's Darwin.
Speaker 7: And that right there is a big part of why
nineteen ninety nine was so abored of two is Nash
out the book and it was just it's just not
gonna work. It's just just he just creatively just basically
bankrupt in terms of coming up with anything that could
move the rating or or create a star, you know,
get you excited about someone new. Impossible. He just couldn't
do it. And and so ninety nine is and we
have to countenance the long drawn out process of coming
to that realization. There's that weird kind of interregnant period
in the Spring where Bischoff is sort of back as president,
the white haired Bischoff we see for the first time,
and he's sailing about trying any number of tricks and gimmicks,
from kiss to master Pe and the No Limit Soldiers
to giving away a million dollars on Nitro to the
whole redesign to He's did like a weird shoot angle
he did at the Spring Stampede ninety nine with Hogan
and a knee injury, and so you know, it's just
not there was nothing there. Everything he tried, all his
instincts were no longer. I'm gonna going to resonate. And
Nash gets the book, you know, earlier in ninety nine
before even Bischoff comes back and just can't you know,
book his way out of a paper bag, just you know,
abortive returns. Terrible television. He did the infamous three hour
Nitro with the first hour was no wrestling whatsoever. It
was just a series of skits, including the debut with
Tory Wilson and several black and white vignettes. I don't
see the problem, I do, I do for sure. It
was like sounds like good entertainment to me. But hey,
he's a guy that won't hesitate to ring up sid.
You know, they had a long history together going all
the way back to the first WCW run not not
not to mention headlining in your house is in ninety
five against each other and all of that. So yees,
if Nash has got the book and he's going to
find somebody that he perceives as a money headliner, he's
he's probably gonna go for a sid for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, talked about it makes sense on.
Speaker 7: The episode where we talked about Sid's ninety five WW front.
I mean, nash Is said in his podcast that you know,
Vin said, all right, we'll bring him back, but he's
your problem, like if it doesn't work out his Nash
wanted him in to work against him as champion and
also for the Sean Michael's bodyguard thing. But so here
comes full circle back again and sid Is is back
in the sauce. Hopefully not on the sauce because then
someone else stabbed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's.
Speaker 7: Going to be an interesting ride. Nonetheless, this is of
course a Randy Savage who was just he's completely out
of his mind and he is at least eighty pounds
heavier than he has any right to be.
Speaker 3: Oh, he just he is. He is grotesque. He is unacceptable,
and he is offensive.
Speaker 7: Did you see Randy back then in this when he
had gorgeous George and all that?
Speaker 3: Vaguely I remember, I don't know it was this before
or after he had the red sequin outfit.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that came at the end of this. Yeah, he
first came back.
Speaker 3: A little bit of that, and I was like, what,
I don't know, and I stopped watching, right, you know,
I like, I was like, wait a minute, No, that's
not okay.
Speaker 7: I don't know what he was thinking.
Speaker 3: And and also, you know what, what I found it
be kind of, you know, uncomfortable too, is that he's
he's not completely doing his Randy Savage voice. Oh, it's
like he's kind of talking a little normal in addition
to putting on I know, part of the Raindy Savage
voice is legit, but there's also like obviously a part
that's put on where it gets you know. But he
was kind of talking with more of his real voice
in like those prom and I was like, no, no, no, no, no,
it's very it's not it's not okay.
Speaker 7: It's not okay, ready, Sava. He knows who he needs
to be to be Randy Savage, right, but he went
to this whole like other direction with like dressing up
like he's going clubbing.
Speaker 3: And I don't know what was that all about, Like,
I mean, was it just a was it a midlife
crisis or was there.
Speaker 7: Some pretty much? Okay, I think i'd say what I'm
out to. Yeah, he knew he wanted to come back
with an edge. He wanted to come back as more
of a attitude character.
Speaker 3: And you know he was always an attitude character.
Speaker 7: I know, Well, yeah, I agree, but now he want
you know, he got in gorgeous George and just like
started dressing up like he's going to the club all
the time.
Speaker 3: And I guess imagine him like he just he just
he just needed a funk all the time. That that,
to me, is is the thing. And you know he's
all up so he can't get it up. Sometimes breaks
the funk out in hotels room, hotel.
Speaker 7: Room, exactly exactly. He definitely, yes.
Speaker 3: Right, already here we go, here we go. All right,
all right, alright, bend over, bendover here We're gonna do
it again.
Speaker 10: Freaking out.
Speaker 3: All right, we're gonna get it again one more time.
Here we go. Come on, come on, come on, come on,
come on, come on, fucking crustal me.
Speaker 7: Sit down, My god, I'm freaking out right now. Well
you know there's nothing.
Speaker 3: I'm fucking a murda gold, I'm scored of god, I'm
gonna get hurt as a rock. And you're not even
going to be able to stand it.
Speaker 7: Get down, well least at least trying to talk himself
into it. There's no hotter pillow talk than the guy
going over and over again. Come on, come on, come on,
I mean, are we I mean, are we trying to
get it up?
Speaker 3: Are we trying?
Speaker 7: Or are we hoping? Our horse crosses the finish line
first at the track.
Speaker 3: Come on, let me get you a lorder. Come on,
come on, come on, come on, come on, be the bunch,
you men, come on, be the kingdom of the Mednace.
Speaker 7: Come on, Mary says, come on, I get the sense
it's not working. You have to say come on that
many times. Come on, It's like I want to try
something different.
Speaker 3: It was like fucking jasper at this.
Speaker 7: Point, Randy, am I still on payroll?
Speaker 2: What are you doing?
Speaker 3: Who who's talking to me?
Speaker 7: Screams, what are you doing? But he doesn't know who's
talking to him, but he says, what are you doing?
Like he knows you, Randy, It's it's Lannie ha.
Speaker 3: Leani Leani Leany Leani? What's fucking leany? What are you
doing over there?
Speaker 11: Leaning you?
Speaker 3: What do you are? You watch your metory to get hard?
Is that what you're doing?
Speaker 7: What are you doing over there? Suddenly it's like, oh,
they're in the same room, like you know what I mean,
they're not like a house, and it's like they're in
the same hotel room where he's fucking I didn't even
realize that, but yeah, I guess I didn't really specify.
So it's a wild time and it's this vortex of
savageness that Sid walks into as sort of like a
bodyguard in the beginning to Savage, that would not be
a role he would savor very much. It's not like
he bad mouthed it, but you know, Sid's there to
be a man on his own right always. Sid wants
to be able to author the success of his program exclusively.
He doesn't really dig being a tag team wrestler. But
it's in the chaos of him and Kevin Nashman world
champion and passing the belt around that side gets the
WCW title again. We'll get to that for the first time. Actually,
if you don't count, which he does for some reason,
that twenty five seconds at Halloween have like nineteen nine
Before they realized it was Berry. Wyndham dressed his sting
that he thought he counts that as a world title win,
which is brutally hilarious. But this is all a fascinating
thing for Sid because it's his most lucrative run and
it's kind of like his worst run. I mean it's
not it's not objectively bad, but it's just it's most
forgettable stuff he did. Let's put it that way. It's
the most forgettable run he had in the national spotlight,
but it's the one that made him the most money.
It's really it's really wild, and it's it says a
lot about w Stuby at the time too, And you know,
say what you will about who killed wtw They went
right past ninety nine and Nash's booking and this is
it is what does it? What doesn't mean? Yeah, this
is like okay, well they're not gonna be able to
write the ship, they're digging a further hole, and then
by late ninety nine when Russo comes in, the goose
is cooked. That will create a lot of interesting dynamics.
Speaker 3: Instead of the Millennium Man, he should have been called
the solitary Man.
Speaker 7: The solitary Man. Yeah, yeah, indeed, yep, that's how we
preferred to be framed and positioned. But yeah, okay, so
this is good, this is great. You didn't have a
sense of him, really, and you know, you knew he
was there, but you didn't watch a.
Speaker 3: Lot of no, not at all. Know, I had no clue.
Speaker 7: It's all gravy for me. There's a personal story in that.
I remember being in high school when he came back
and watching that nitro and coming back the next day.
And there was a buddy of mine in my chemistry class.
Rest in peace, he's passed away. We used to talk
all the time about wrestling.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 7: It was a class where we could dick off. It
wasn't a very serious class at all, So we just
sit in the back and just compare notes every single
I think it's every other day, And you know this
is post WWF. Absolutely running away with the Ball nineteen
ninety eight being the transformative here was to say nothing
of the first half of ninety nine, where they started
doing these ratings that you just you couldn't believe your
eyes on Monday Night Raw and Nitro was doing dog
shit ratings, And so we never talk about Nitro really
that much, but we'd watch it, but it just wouldn't
be the topic of conversation on Tuesday, right right, It
just wouldn't be wasn't top of mind. It wasn't the
most exciting stuff that happened. But Sid Sid's returned to
Nitro was the last time I remember him bringing up WCW. First,
It's like, really, did you see Sid? I was like, oh,
I don't know why I remember this, but I remember
being really kind of like intrigued. Did WCW actually do
something here that might get people to look in for
the first time in what seemed like eight nine, ten months,
And of course it wasn't. But he had a little
deal there where he had he had a title match
on Nitro with Hogan. Hogan was a face, but he
was still wearing the black and white Hollywood outfit.
Speaker 3: Well I know, it kind of like there there was
and he had he had two. He ended up having
two matches with Hogan. Both are on the tape, right, yeah, well,
I mean it quote both matches, yeah, sure.
Speaker 7: Right, And is there one on there with ones in
black and white and ones in the red and yellow.
Speaker 3: Brignon, Yeah, we had that. We actually have a Wrestlmania rematch, which, honestly.
Speaker 7: It should be epic that Hogan is wrestling sid for
the first time.
Speaker 3: It should be. It should be. But I'm just gonna say,
I mean again, I don't want to get too much
into it because the tape will speak for itself, but man,
the finish of the of the one the Red and
Yellow is it's it's two. It's so uh. I mean,
it's it's an exact replay of a different show and
the ending is I mean, it's why we It's why
we talk about Hogan the way we talk about.
Speaker 7: Hogan, is that right, Yes, It's definitely why we talk
about ww in nineteen ninety nine, the way we do
Oh yeah, yeah. I mean it's like, how many times
could you watch Nitro and watch Hogan and a DQ
finish and a post match SMAs It's.
Speaker 3: Like, well, which one are you talking about?
Speaker 7: I know exactly because I do remember a little bit of.
Speaker 3: That wasn't the end of the Red and Yellow one.
Speaker 7: I do remember a little bit, a little bit of
a spark when I realized Hogan and said we're going
to wrestle again, because I you know, they never wrestled
after Wrestle Mainy eight and that is an absolute core
memories we've talked about for years and years. So there
was that it didn't do. It didn't do the kind
of rating that indicated they had life to it. But
those are the last few ratings that seemed like there
were science of life.
Speaker 3: This does the thing. It's not a rating guy. We're
imagine if you if you booked Hogan again and books
it against Hogan and built it for a paid per view.
I can imagine that absolutely getting a decent by rate.
But you can't get a rating out of the sid.
Speaker 7: That's how bankrupt they were creatively. They had nothing. I mean,
they just like the biggest match we can do, Let's
see if that does the rating, and it didn't, and
of course you wenter a fucking panic spiral because if
like the best match we you know, the highest profile
match we can think to put together right now doesn't
come anywhere close to touching Ro's rating. And what are
we doing here? Because we built our entire idea and
notion of success on being competitive.
Speaker 3: But I mean, Knights, we know that that's not a thing.
That is that that's not a reality.
Speaker 7: It's not a reality.
Speaker 3: We don't we know it's not a reality anyway, Like
you just you can't expect one show to mean you're
in business. You have to build towards it. You have
to start from scratch.
Speaker 7: Totally, totally, And there was just not the appetite for
that up and down the Turner structure. It was all
just let's make up that ground, man, Because you know
we've talked about it endlessly. We will see it again
when the Christmas show comes up this year, or all
those licensed merchandise products when they were hot start coming
through in nineteen ninety nine. It's like, who the fuck's
gonna buy this stuff? Noboy's watching WCW anymore.
Speaker 3: I know, I know.
Speaker 7: But you have an organization that started to build itself
up and come to find out years later, build its
budgets around assumptions that nineteen ninety eight, when you know,
revenue run right would continue, licensing run rate would continue
at that level if not, if not exceed it, it's like, no,
you actually have to pencil in like forty percent drop
in revenue and buy rates for pay per views, right,
And you have to realize that all these you know,
people tripping over each other to license products in ninety
eight when they were hot. By the time the products
are ready to hit the shelves, No the wswree credit card,
No the Nitro grill.
Speaker 3: No Imagine Fashion fred card.
Speaker 7: Fuck. Their toys sucked so bad.
Speaker 3: Oh, they were awful, although the ninety nine they weren't.
They weren't great, but they weren't awful. I bought the
Nash Yeah, like the last I don't know if it
was nine to nine, two thousand, did you Nash with
the big sweeping hair but like kind of a weird body,
but it was really tall, you know, Like they were okay,
I guess, but they weren't great. They certainly weren't great,
and they were definitely more realistic than any we figure
ever was.
Speaker 7: And they lost the THHQ license. So that's a bullet
in the fucking head. Now their video games are going
to be complete ass, which is always a huge chip
in their favor. It's if they had that wonderful game
for World Tour and for revenge yep, and now it's gone.
Now it's WWF's even worse. It's not just gone. It's
WWF games or as good as they ors used to
be better at a disaster, but it's it's it's World
Championship Wrestling. And it's the man called SID and we're saluting.
Speaker 3: Him here, the millennium man called Sid.
Speaker 7: Yes, yes, as only we can try to get maybe
maybe recapture just a little bit of that sense of
what caused that, uh, that momentary enthusiasm in my high
school chemistry class that I'm calling here and when I
think about SID in nineteen. So it's a lot to
get into. And we do have a several page contract
here to read into the record, because we need to
set the terms of engagement. We need to set the
level of expectations around obligation and around contract and around renunration. Brother,
And yeah, whose contract didn't like that word, Terry my contract, dude,
But heay, if we're going to talk about a contract, boss,
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And tell the folks what form that contract takes.
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We have been on a crazy, crazy journey since March,
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two out of the twenty seven recognized although not necessarily
officially Eon production James Bond films qualify front of the cinema. Okay,
that was the reason why we said upon this journey
was that so we could touch every single era of
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Like we're actually chronicling all of Albert Brockley's fucking career. Yep,
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Like there's all these elements that we didn't even consider that,
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Speaker 7: And take it from me who hasn't seen a single
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My via the High Chief Tiger, Joe Robinson unbelievable, and
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Speaker 7: Starting to see people advocate to bring that back. Get
sick of the war games, Yeah.
Speaker 3: You should, of course they should. I don't I don't.
I mean, listen, I'm fine with the war games, but
I just we've done enough now.
Speaker 7: I don't remember a single fucking thing that happened in
any of them, nowhere near what I remember in the
Survivor's series elimination tags.
Speaker 3: Oh, I agree, I sho tell you not to mention
the the fucking war Games of old.
Speaker 7: There's only so many fucking West Side story face offs
that I can remember and keep trying.
Speaker 3: I know, I can't stand. I can't stand those staged,
fucking annoying things that they do.
Speaker 7: There's only so many completely unnecessary loading up the war
games cage with tables and garbage cans and fucking crunches and.
Speaker 3: Just violence, like just fighting, and guys, like, when did
that cages enough? Then don't do war games. If you
have to fill the wargames cage up with all the
things you'd use to make a regular match stand out,
then just do that kind of match, you know, fucking
make a make a Survivors series, you know, notice qualification
ten man tag or something, because like, don't pretend you're
doing war games. That's fucking obnoxious by now, you know,
just remember too, like fucking the uh uh you know
what was exciting about a war Games match back in
the day that still excites me when we would watch it.
We watch it for the art of wargames journey, the
fucking like sting, just holding onto the ceiling and doing
a kick to somebody's face like that was exciting.
Speaker 7: We're having to climb the top of the cage because
there's a fucking roof on it, as there should be,
right or actually, you know, remembering and caring and popping
for a rocky steamboat entering the cage or hawk entering
the cage. Nobody that enters a cage in a w
W War Games maybe Kevin Owens in the xt one,
but that doesn't count. I'm talking the ones I remember
a single run in because they're up on the fucking
shark cage. They all have their entrance music. Nobody's pulling
on the door, chomping at the bit. The baby faces
are never an appropriate peril thumbs down, It's lame. And
with that said, another reason to make sure your Patreon
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Speaker 3: The post Thanksgiving tradition.
Speaker 7: Now, ye, who knows, it's a tradition that we post.
That's for sure, that's true. And so the art of
war games continues in that respect, coming up on Patreon
for your Patreon dollar. An addition, will have the Saturday
Nights Made event coming up, which is going to be
label a pl in December, so that'll be interesting to
get back into that for your Patreon dollar. And I
don't know, Boss, I've kicked this around. I haven't run
it by you yet, but maybe the first run Netflix
might make some sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that that kind of works in a way.
I mean from the Into It Dome, the new Into
It Dome in l A. Excuse me, you know that
big stated for the Clippers. What are we into?
Speaker 7: Remember WrestleMania when we went to LA they had that
big Clippers stadium they were building.
Speaker 3: Uh no, that's.
Speaker 7: Coming all right, and travel there is going to be there.
Speaker 3: What are they into? They're into it?
Speaker 7: So maybe yeah, in other words, that's gonna be a
great landing pad for shows that you know, draw draw
enough of our attention that we might sprinkle in some
extra live calls because you know, the fucking Rumble is
until February. It's so annoying and that fucking obnoxious, it's
so stupid wrestlming is gonna at the end of April.
I mean, I don't know why they're still gonna have
two pay per views in between. Guys, you get that,
you don't you have that weekend between the fucking finals
of the playoffs in the NFL and the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: That's when you do Worry Rumble. It's there for that reason.
I mean, you know, it's kind of funny too, like maybe.
Speaker 7: Out to check the calendar, maybe that is this weekend
this year, maybe it falls into February. But I don't care.
Speaker 3: It's gross, you know I and I get and I
get the idea that, you know, they want to prevent
the freezing cold of like of what happened in Philadelphia
last year. But you know what, guys like you're in Vegas,
the last thing you need to do is have in
the mid April and late April fucking Vegas, right, I'm
sure could have done early April, late March, like normal
fucking people.
Speaker 7: There's some bullshit where like Vegas came to the table
late and was all booked up on the typical Wrestlmania weekend,
and so they just took whatever because there's a huge
fat check waiting for him when.
Speaker 3: They get there.
Speaker 4: You know.
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you Mania is running wild, yes, And as well as
the uh I'm either eating waffles or I'm eating your
face shirt. I don't even remember that one. It's it's
a Vader thing, like fucking Vader is a wall. He wouldn't, Oh,
but I know that is. But I didn't remember the
side of it. I don't know why. Yeah, he you
know Vader and he well he's walking on hot waffles. Yeah,
he was threatening people. He was an old guy. All
I remember is this guy in the back, who's the chef.
You know this. I think we came up with it.
A guy. You know, he's not he's retired. He just
does this to get out of the house. You know.
It's like it just a shit job that he does,
just to say that used to be involved with people.
And Vader is like in his face saying I'm going
to either eat waffles or I'm gonna eat your face.
Speaker 7: Spittle everywhere exactly. And shout out to Brian, who has
also joined the elite group of folks that have toggled
over to Pro Wrestling teas dot Com slash lapsed fan
and purchased a Sid's Vienna's T shirt as part of
sid tribute collection that's apparently got more chapters to go.
And yes, Andrew, we called him out for being I
believe the first to buy one of the Sids Vienna's
Designs T shirts and he wrote us up. He said,
I don't know if that was me, but here's the story.
So I'm listening to the latest SID Tribute Part six
and there is a shout out to and Andrew, who
purchased the SIDS Vienna shirt. My name is Andrew, and
I recently purchased the SIDS Vicious Vienna shirt. Now. I
don't know if you're talking about me on the show
or if it's some other Andrew who got in touch
with you after buying the shirt, but I thought y'all
might get a kick out of why I got the shirt. Yes, recently,
my wife and I made a trip to Canada to
see some family, A fifteen hour drive for us, so
I always load up on podcasts and make the drive
easier for me. For context, my wife gotta go. Yeah,
we know where this is going, right. Would you ever like,
oh my God, with the family in the car, load
up TLF No, unreal, no, never for contact. My wife
has heard the cast before, and let's just say she
doesn't get it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Our trip to Canada just happened to be the same
week the SID Tribute Part one drop, where we discovered
Sid's eternal link to Vienna sausages. My wife, who was
barely paying attention, would yell every time Vienna sausages were
mentioned during five or so hour long podcasts. I thought
this was a wrestling podcast. Why do they keep talking
about vienna sausages? She said? And every time I would
laugh at the mention of Vienna's, she would yell, why
are you laughing? This isn't funny. There's another t shirt,
boss for the store, write that one down. Why are
you laughing? This isn't funny t l FX.
Speaker 3: Why and it be like Wife of Lapsed Fans.
Speaker 7: Rights the Lapsed Wife Yes TLW. So as soon as
I heard there would be a shirt in tribute to
sit On for wrestling teas, I knew what I had
to do. I ordered her the it's for her, Oh
my god, Oh my god. I ordered her brilliant, the
largest size available on the site, to give her as
a gag gift for Christmas. I figured she can wear
it around the house with the other oversized teas that
she has. Like I said, I'm not sure if I'm
the Andrew being mentioned, but I might give her the
shirt early and play her the clip and just say
it was about me. Anyway, I would do that. Andrew,
you have our full That's that's brilliant, that's great. That's
the kind of stuff that happens out there. Man, those
are little moments that we so live for hearing like little.
Speaker 3: What was it direct quote? It was why are you laughing?
This isn't even funny?
Speaker 7: Yeah, something like that. Let me pull it back up.
It is why are you laughing? This isn't funny? It's great,
fucking soy boy podcast, fun right podcast, own fucking jokes.
Speaker 8: Holes.
Speaker 7: Love it so much. So yeah, all the love, all
the respect, all the best wishes coming to you is
as we hit American Thanksgiving here, as we hit the
holiday season globally, TLF you know, TLF is here. TF
is always here, always, and we hope you find our
many offerings part of your holiday feast this year. Well,
we've got that established. The terms of engagement are set.
People now know what they need to do to deserve
what's about to come. Yes, and that is our dive
into independ contractor agreement.
Speaker 3: Boss, give me independent independent contractor agreement.
Speaker 7: Signed if I'm not mistaken two days before he came
back to WCW in nineteen nine June. That is the
contract of SID And I believe mister Ude himself has
donned the bespectacles and is going to read us the
chapter and verse of the most lucrative contract of his life.
Speaker 3: This independent contractor agreement. The agreement is made and entered
into as of the ninth day of June nineteen ninety nine,
by and between World Championship Wrestling Incorporated, a Georgia Company
Corporation located at one CNN Center, Atlanta, Georgia, three three
four A WCW and Sydney r ud Wrestler For a
consideration of the mutual promises and agreements contained herein, and
other good and valuable consideration, the receipt and sufficiency of
which is hereby acknowledged. The parties hereby agree as follows.
Speaker 7: Of the parties hereby agree to.
Speaker 3: Number one services. Services is correct a subject to the
terms and conditions set forth in this agreement. Wrestler agrees
to provide the following services as requested by w CW,
appear and perform as a professional wrestler at events.
Speaker 7: How do they ever get to agree to that.
Speaker 3: Including without limitation, live and tape television shows, pay per
view telecasts, live arena shows, and other promotional events as requested.
Speaker 7: But I do not agree to this. I won't That's
written in the margin. For those of you wondering, I.
Speaker 3: Won't agree to be there at beck and Call.
Speaker 7: Now listen, you're gonna tell s Justice that I have
to appear and perform as a professional wrestler at events.
Speaker 3: Now, I don't recall, ever forever appearing at events.
Speaker 7: There you go. You knew it was coming. Direct hit direct, fucking.
Speaker 3: Hit number two. Cooperate with and assist in activities intended
to publicize, advertise, and promote the events WCW and WCW merchandise,
including by not limited to, on sale ticket appearances, media interviews,
and other publicity appearances. Develop his own individual wrestling style
and persona with advice from WCW that will be attractive
to wrestling fans.
Speaker 7: And we'll pause right there. Okay, there is a contract
term in WCW agreements in which the wrestler agrees to
I can't develop his own individual wrestling style and persona, So.
Speaker 3: I want nothing to do with what you do, all right?
This is all you, Right, you develop it, you do
this shit. I don't want nothing to do with it.
Speaker 7: I mean, god, what is this term for?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 7: Is this like something they come back and hit you with?
If you like, go out there and don't come up
with something that's quote attractive to wrestling fans. Like, what's
their recourse at that point? Like you violated your contract?
No one cares about it.
Speaker 3: Someone says, hey, you know what, SID, we told you
to do that, So you're fucking fired.
Speaker 7: Right, it's the booking plan, Like why are you? Why
is there a contract term that allows you to come
after me? If people that might be a SID?
Speaker 3: And I will not do what WWS.
Speaker 7: Right, only on advice and consent.
Speaker 3: I will listen to advice and I will listen to consent.
But you better but I will not be obligated. I repeat,
I will not be obligated to do anything you say. Right,
I developed persona, I developed style, yep, and it's all
my own.
Speaker 7: I develop a persona that's a quote anyway, Next.
Speaker 3: Provide oh, here we go again, provide a wardrobe, props
and makeup necessary for his performance at any event?
Speaker 7: Said, did you bring your makeup?
Speaker 3: I have zombie makeup. I stick my that to my character.
Since I developed my own persona.
Speaker 7: That is attractive to wrestling fans.
Speaker 3: I can tell you right now that my persona that
I've developed on my own and my style is very
attractive to fans. And my attire, my wardrobe, it is
attractive to fans.
Speaker 7: You in the head like a shut It'll hit you in.
Speaker 3: The head like a shot. You. You are looking at
the revolutionary one. I revolt.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you say that again.
Speaker 3: I am the revolting one. I am the revolving one.
I revolve, I revolt, I do not obey. I develop
on an individual place.
Speaker 7: See what you need to understand about me is I
develop on an individual basis. And what you need right
now is a big vicious heel.
Speaker 8: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Provided however, all such items shall be subject to approval
by WCW prior to their use in an event. So
he has to bring it all in, but he might
not be able to use it at all. That's right,
if they don't like it. The wardrobes and props, yes,
is that something I have not heard that before? I thought,
fucking they have wardrobe people? Now they do?
Speaker 7: Yeah, but it was in Warriors contract too, Like they
still kind of make him responsible for his gear even
if they even if they provide it to him.
Speaker 3: That's so weird.
Speaker 7: It's very strange.
Speaker 3: And perform such other services as may be reasonably requested
by WCW. What's reasonable in your eyes? WCW.
Speaker 9: That word reasonably is in there for a reason.
Speaker 3: I'm not giving blowjobs right before you even ask. I've
done it before I begin. There's no way you get
Sid on his knees blown cock, right, you understand.
Speaker 7: I will not join you on the balcony to watch
the lightning.
Speaker 3: I've blow him too many fools in my line.
Speaker 7: My god, Patterson wanted to jerk him off off the balcony.
So like has come like rained down, you know what
I mean, just like very subtle, almost like bird poop.
Speaker 3: You know, it's just like get through them gets fucking
smacked in the eye with.
Speaker 7: Through the Tampa night sky, you know.
Speaker 3: With a spot of fucking sidges.
Speaker 7: Sid barely makes a sound as it comes out, Sid.
Speaker 8: Sid just.
Speaker 7: Isn't this isn't the lightning's amazing? Said, tell you what?
Put those down? What? What's wrong? What are you homophobe?
Speaker 8: Like?
Speaker 7: Do you have a problem with them doing that?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 7: And down come his turquoise trunks of course, right.
Speaker 3: Of course it's always wearing some of the fucking roof,
always wearing fucking turk oise trunks.
Speaker 7: It dribbles out pathetically. What episode is it where they
talk about, Oh, it must be when he it must
be when he first cut us to w WF because
that's where that story comes from. No, that's why they're
reading his ww contract.
Speaker 3: Of course, that's what it is.
Speaker 1: It's the lap wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows
the boys need their candy. It's the lapsed fan. He's
the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnacio and JP.
Speaker 3: Sorow wrestler agrees to use his best efforts to perform
the services in a professional manner consistent with the customs of.
Speaker 7: The professional I said, I want to talk to a
little bit about your performance. You know, we're a little
underwhelmed so far. We wonder if you're giving it one
hundred percent. Well, I have agreed to use my best efforts.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you I've used my best efforts. My
best efforts are never one hundred percent.
Speaker 7: Well, there's a contradiction in terms. I am only obligated
to use my best efforts to perform the services in
a professional manner consistent with the customs of the professional wrestling, and.
Speaker 3: I have never said my best efforts would be one
hundred percent. I never said that. That was not the contract.
If you ask me right there and there, I'll say
my best efforts at least.
Speaker 7: What says here inconsistent with the customs of the professional
wrestling industry said. It doesn't say one hundred percent will
grant you that. But isn't that sort of what that
means is not implied.
Speaker 3: No, my best effort comes at seventy five percent of
the most. If you're looking for immaculate effort, we're talking
ninety percent.
Speaker 7: Pay increase.
Speaker 3: I demand one hundred extra dollars per minute. I am
employed under contract. If you insist on immaculate effort.
Speaker 7: For every minute that mister Uty is employed by World
Championship Wrestling, regardless of whether he's wrestling or not, or
even appearing in an arena or not, he shall be
paid the sum of one hundred dollars for every minute.
Speaker 3: Just gonna just gonna fucking do the math I.
Speaker 7: Do this mag is a no fucking how many minutes
in a year?
Speaker 3: I mean, let's just do it. Yere one hundred, one
hundred dollars times sixty minutes. That's six thousand dollars an hour.
It's fine times twenty four hours a day. That's all
forty four thousand dollars a day.
Speaker 7: So stop me when it's a problem.
Speaker 3: Right, This is which is a million, a million, eight
thousand a week. Yeah, okay, Tom, listen, I understand, and
we'll go for the big one. What about fifty two
weeks a year? Forty two weeks? Right?
Speaker 7: Yep?
Speaker 3: All right, So well that's fifty two million, four hundred
and sixteen thousand dollars a year.
Speaker 7: God damn did I hear it right?
Speaker 3: Making fifty effort.
Speaker 7: That would go around the business pretty quick. All right, guys, uh,
sid just signed a fifty two million dollar contract. Hilarious?
Is that like Hogan is making like three?
Speaker 8: Brother?
Speaker 7: What is that on the back end?
Speaker 3: Dude?
Speaker 7: What do you mean?
Speaker 3: Were talking about fifty two million?
Speaker 8: Brother?
Speaker 3: What's fifty two? What's he getting paid?
Speaker 5: Yo?
Speaker 7: Easy?
Speaker 3: Well, hey, Terry, he's not making Hey for before you
even say before you even say it, he's not making
fifty two million dollars.
Speaker 7: He's making a dollar a minute. It's a big difference.
Speaker 3: Well, dude, I'm gonna tell you something, brother, You know,
I kind of I'm not listen. I just want to
talk to her, you, dude, I just want to talk
to her with your brother, and I won't let you know, dude,
that I actually you know, I actually hired the same
lawyer right as Sid, dude, because I was just kind
of curious. Brother, I said, what's going on? And he's
not getting one dollar per minute? He's got one hundred
dollars per minute, dude, And.
Speaker 7: I'm thinking, whole COVID shouldet two hundred.
Speaker 3: And I'm thinking, you know, well, okay, you know, brother, Look,
I'm Sid, Sid Sid dude. I get it. Sid. You
know he's made him into wrestle Mania. I've made him
into WrestleMania. So if we're talking it sins monivated to
WrestleMania's brother, all right, and he's getting one hundred dollars
per minute.
Speaker 7: Tell to tell with his math brother, Let's just cut
to the chase, heer, dude, all right, let's just get
to the brass tax of the matter.
Speaker 3: I think I think when it comes down to a brother,
I think we've got to dial this thing in, dude,
and I need to be getting one thousand dollars a minute.
Speaker 7: Brother, I'm more I think about it, dude. You know,
as we go back and forth, he isn't that a
word as we go back and forth here, Dude, I'm
thinking able to cut the chase on this thing.
Speaker 9: Brother.
Speaker 7: I think Hulk Hogan needs to sign the first billion
dollar contract in wrestling history, dude.
Speaker 3: Brother, what I'm thinking is, dude, you know what, Brother,
I think we got we got to kind of dial
it in. Do we gotta kind of get this thing
back on track? Dude. And I know we've had this
kind of give and take this whole time.
Speaker 4: Brother.
Speaker 3: I appreciate what you've been saying. I just want to
say I get it. I get where you're coming from
from a business standpoint. I get that, dude. I understand
how you're looking at it as a business. But I'm
talking about the Hulk Hogan business, brother, And this is
what I'm trying to get at. I think, dude, when
push comes to shove, Brother, the people want Hulk Coogan
to sign the first ever ten billion dollar contract.
Speaker 7: Heck, we can't do ten billion, you know that.
Speaker 3: Okay? Fine, people want it, brother. So here's the thing.
Do you want this company to go out of business, dude?
Or do you want this company to thrive? I want
this coming to go out a business, dude. Then fine, don't.
I'm just signed the contract. But if you want this
business to thrive, I think you better fork over ten
billion dollars?
Speaker 7: And do you want Garrett to go to that private school?
Speaker 3: Brother? I mean, look, dude, I'm just trying to think
of your family. Brother. Right, I'm on the board, you know.
I know you know, dude, you're building. You know, you're
trying to get that spread out there, and Cody, I
get it my spread everywhere else I can. I just
want to let you know, dude, I'm just you know, wait.
Speaker 7: A minute, what brother? What did you I'm putting this
thing together in my head. Dude, are you right? Instead
of word, what do you promise?
Speaker 3: Sid? Dude?
Speaker 7: Like you you you brushed right past that you didn't
like you made it seem like you were getting away
with something like if what I said was true. That's
only the half of it, dude.
Speaker 3: Is if you kind of like, if you're willing to
give me this ten billion dollars brother, yeah, he said
not so, I don't wonder exactly what did you What
are you giving Sid? What said? God? Brother?
Speaker 8: I don't half.
Speaker 3: Where are we at?
Speaker 8: Dude?
Speaker 3: Giving him?
Speaker 7: You giving him a push?
Speaker 5: Dude?
Speaker 3: Well, you've been talking to Sid brother.
Speaker 7: You just said he give him Ellie dollar contract.
Speaker 3: You've been.
Speaker 7: After all that he goes. You've been talking to Sid
brother as if like I didn't actually think you were
talking to him. I just wanted something to fly off
the handle about what.
Speaker 3: Yeah, are you Are we talking push dude?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 3: What are we.
Speaker 7: Are we talking? Push?
Speaker 8: We?
Speaker 7: Because if that's the case, then we have a whole new.
Speaker 3: We're talking dude, we get a whole were talking? You know,
we got dollars back in again? Brother? Yeah, I need
ten billion dollars and three push? Right, So what what
do we are we talking? Torch?
Speaker 7: Just like in ninety when they brought him in a
ninety one brother, they give the whole Cogan spot I heard.
Speaker 3: Are you talking about? Are you just say if we
got Hollywood Hulk Coagan? Are you getting like Santa Monica
Sid Vicious?
Speaker 7: That would explain the Sandals if nothing else. Sid Dude,
come on in, brother, what's up? Brother? Look, it's been
so long, I'm so happy or here dude. You know
I just have to ask. Last time we were in
the same locker room together, Brother, I couldn't help it
hearing that you promised the whole Hogan spot. Brother. It's
crazy how things work out in this world. And you
know where we come full circle like this. I'm just wondering, dude,
did you did you ask for something similar to come here?
Speaker 2: Brother?
Speaker 3: What? What?
Speaker 7: What were the how those discussions go? Dude said, I
hurt you.
Speaker 3: I just want to know why hurt you? All right?
Speaker 7: Because I'm standing here, brother, like ten inches away from you.
Speaker 3: Dude, you're asking questions about my contract. Is that what
you're doing right now?
Speaker 7: Oh? Brother? If it's in the contract, I mean I
think you just told on yourself.
Speaker 3: What brother, I have said one thing all my.
Speaker 7: Life, and that that would be.
Speaker 3: That's sid. Justice is.
Speaker 8: Gonna be all Gogan.
Speaker 7: You've said that your whole life. Call themselves said justice again.
By the way, anyway, we have some paragraph.
Speaker 3: B paragraph Okay, I guess. By the way, Santa Monica
Vicious is gonna have to be a thing now today.
Speaker 7: I think so. Yeah. It was a fucking Santa Monica
Peer six brawl in the hotel in England.
Speaker 3: In connection with Wrestler's performance of the services, Wrestler grants
w CW the following exclusive paid up worldwide ROTS one
to arrange wrestler's performance or appearance at advance to arrange performance,
to arrange performance.
Speaker 7: That's one way to put it.
Speaker 3: What does that mean?
Speaker 7: Exactly?
Speaker 3: What do you what are you ranging for me?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 3: Is this? Because I'm not a faithful.
Speaker 7: See it's a simple.
Speaker 3: It's real simple game we play. We go round and round,
and I look at the circle and wonder what is
the loop about?
Speaker 7: Two lay, two lawyers enter one, contract leaves.
Speaker 3: Two lawyers enter.
Speaker 2: One.
Speaker 3: SID leaves m H to sell or distribute admission tickets
to all events. Wait? Wait, are you saying I'm a
ticket teller? Am I working box office? So this is no?
Speaker 7: This is this is you granted us these rights to
do it?
Speaker 3: Not you doing what do you tell me I have?
Are you obligating me to sit in the box office
and sell tickets?
Speaker 12: No?
Speaker 7: No, quite the opposite. This is you giving us the
exclusive Shut up.
Speaker 3: I want to understand why you think SID is going
to sell tickets.
Speaker 7: It's all of the question. Man, I wonder the same
thing when I saw the salary lines on this thing.
But I'm just a lawyer, Nick Lambrose.
Speaker 3: What gives you the crazy thought that SID is going
to sell a single ticket?
Speaker 7: Sure, yeah, I checked your references. I understand why you'd
ask us that.
Speaker 3: To create, publish, distribute, broadcast, photograph, film, type, or otherwise
record or author us others to do so in any
and all available media, any or all of the events
or anime animated programs. Any such creation or recording shall
be referred to as a program, and for to use, exhibit,
and distribute into license others to use, exhibit, and distribute
in perpetuity any program, or any part or segment of
any program, in any or in all media, and by
any and all methods, whether now knows, whether now known
or coming into existency or after, and in connection therewith
do you lie and exploit the name image?
Speaker 7: You're going to exploit me right my words in the contract.
Speaker 3: I want to understand why you'd exploit said, well, because
that's the name. I am simply trying to do my
best by my church. I do that one coming, and
now you want to exploit everything that I.
Speaker 7: Am well said. If you put it that way, Jesus Christ,
I mean.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you right now, once you look me
dead in the eye, I want you to understand somebody's
real simple. I am not in the exploitation business. Right,
I don't work pornography. If you go and exploit something,
you exploit yourself.
Speaker 9: Wow.
Speaker 3: And if you need to, I will exploit you for
you because I'm a private backer in the exploitation business.
But I will not be exploited myself.
Speaker 7: Exploit others as they would exploit you. But do it first.
Speaker 3: Image likeness, character, costume, props, ring name, voice, logo, service marks, trademarks,
trade names, signature gimmicks, routines, themes and.
Speaker 7: What caricatures caricatures? Yeah, I can say that, again, said.
Speaker 3: Right, and any and all other distinctive identifying India as
used by or associated with Wrestler.
Speaker 8: He said, my church a case of being sausages.
Speaker 3: And I sent him an autograph picture picture, a picture
of what exactly.
Speaker 7: Let me get into that here in the contract.
Speaker 3: The riots growing up by this section shall be exclusive
to WW during the term and for the period set
forth in section non B, and shall be non exclusive thereafter.
Wrestler expressly acknowledges and agrees that the rights granted to
w CW in Section one B four shall continue in
effect after the expiration, non renewal, or termination for any
reason of this agreement. Right, I don't allow that.
Speaker 13: I will not allow myself to be dominated.
Speaker 7: It looks like you just did said I mean already reason.
Speaker 3: W CW and Wrestler acknowledge and agree that they have
entered into that certain merchandise in agreement. Yes, and even
data HEREWI with respect to certain specified merchandise in activity
WOW number two independent contractor wrestlering the performance of services
agreeed in this document is an independent contractor. That means
I don't have to come here at any time. You
don't call me in, you don't set time. I'm working
ten hunder nine. My accountant, Kevin Nash, said so right.
In the performance of this agreement, both WCW and Wrestler
shall be acting in their own, separate capacities, and not
as agents, employees, partners, joint venturers, or associates of one another.
It is expressly understood and agreed that Wrestler is not
authorized to bind WW to any liability or obligation.
Speaker 7: What there's the word, he says it obligation. It's in there.
Speaker 3: WW is not authorized to bind me to obligation.
Speaker 7: It is expressly understood and agreed that Wrestler is not
authorized to bind WCW to any liability or obligation.
Speaker 3: WW doesn't bind meata obligation. Right, you got that backwards.
You gotta rewrite that shit.
Speaker 7: That's your question. If the wrestler is not authorized to
bind WCW to any obligation, is w c W authorized
to bind wrestler to any obligation.
Speaker 3: Or to represent that it has any such authority. It's fine,
I won't allow you to obligate me, right, I'm about that.
Wrestler is responsible for all of his own all of
his expenses, including, without limitation, medical expenses.
Speaker 7: That'll come that'll come into.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure I don't agree to this.
Speaker 7: What if I snap my leg in half? What if
I snapped my leg in half and it's your fault? Right, Well,
you say that, I do.
Speaker 3: I say it's your fault. I say it. I'll say
it again, it's your fault. Health and welfare, insurance, disability insurance,
training expenses, props, wardrobe, makeup, and other expenses necessary to
perform the services under this agreement without limiting the generality,
the foregoing wrestler acknowledges that, as between w CW and wrestler,
wrestler shall be solely responsible libel for the payment of
any and all withholding or other taxes levied, assessed, or
do as a resultless services which we are performed by
wrestler under this agreement. Any and all travel incurred by Wrestler,
and this performance of services here under shall be pursuant
to w CW's travel policy, as amended by w CW
from time to time.
Speaker 7: And I love to see a copy of the WCW
Travel Policy. Please, I need that capital T capital P.
Speaker 3: Number three. Compensation A as full and complete compensation for
the services WCW shall pay to wrestler, and wrestler shall
accept the payments described on Exhibit A attasked here too
and incorporated herein by reference.
Speaker 7: We're going to get to Exhibit A once we arrived
that part of the contract.
Speaker 8: B.
Speaker 3: Wrestler's compensation is outlining. Exhibit A shall be a proportioned
according to the falling schedule. Pay perviews forty percent of
annual compensation, Televised event taped or live twenty five percent
of annual compensation, Non televised house shows twenty percent of
annual compensation. Interviews, photo shoots, personal appearances fifteen percent of
annual compensation. Wow in the event wrestler fails to timely
appear and performance required by WSW except by reason of incapacity,
w W shall have to write to deduct pro ratus
sums from wrestler's compensation payments based on the foregoing a
point apportionment divided by ww's reasonable projection of wrestler's number
of annual appearances in each category.
Speaker 7: Now, I think it might be appropriate to go right
ahead to page sixteen of this document and read Exhibit A.
While we're on compensation, and we're about to read the
terms explaining and expounding upon this exhibit A marked independent
contractor agreement for Sydney r ud Aka, said Vicious. Exhibit A.
Compensation here is ladies and gentlemen. How sid's pay was
structured in this WCW.
Speaker 3: WOW in consideration of wrestlers granted the riots, licenses and
services here under provided wrestler faithfully and fully performs all
of his obligations here Under WSWSHL pay wrestlers follows Year one,
nineteen ninety nine through June eight, two thousand, eight hundred
thousand dollars.
Speaker 7: That's the salary right there.
Speaker 3: Year two June nine, two thousand through June eight, two
thousand and one, eight hundred and fifty thousand.
Speaker 7: I remain obsessed with the fact that WSW contracts signed
around ninety nine and two thousand extended beyond the existence
of the company.
Speaker 3: Oh and this one right here, this part, especially because
this part the contract starts like the year starts and
ends after the company's done year three June nine, two
thousand and one to June eight, two thousand and two,
nine hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 7: So it goes from eight hundred thousand, eight hundred fifty
thousand and nine hundred thousand dollars guaranteed.
Speaker 3: And he collected what a year in several months.
Speaker 7: He collected every one of those years. Thank you very much.
Speaker 3: I know I'm saying like he collected a year and
like three months worth of money.
Speaker 7: For not doing it for nothing. Yeah that's right. What
did what did ww F sign everybody right away?
Speaker 3: Right? That's why? Yeah, because I don't want to fucking
work if I don't have to.
Speaker 7: Have a nine hundred thousand dollars kissing the mail on
the way right exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the fine. I wouldn't do it.
Speaker 7: Either, cash that motherfucker an.
Speaker 3: Audition in the event wrestler appears and performs on air
at So that's not that's his base. Salary's base.
Speaker 7: Yep, g get to the bonuses, right, I mean that's
chump change.
Speaker 3: Holy shit.
Speaker 7: And now we're getting to why you know Sid put
it all together and saw one point five million a year.
Speaker 3: It's an addition in the in the event wrestler appears
and performs on air at any ww pay per view
event as instructed by WSW during the term WWS shall
pay wrestler pay per view onuses follows. Year one fifty
thousand dollars per pay perview event. Pretty sweet, Year two
fifty five thousand dollars per pay per view event. Year
three sixty thousand dollars per pay perview vent.
Speaker 7: Jesus So no percentage like Hogan where he gets a
certain amount of the pay per view haul. He just
gets a flat amount. But yeah, you know, you take
nine hundred thousand in year three and sixty thousand per
pay per view event. You know, two or three pay
per views. He might even he might haven't clear two
million if he has a.
Speaker 3: Yeah, seriously, I mean, how many was he in between
ninety nine and two thousand?
Speaker 7: I don't know, probably six.
Speaker 3: I mean he breaks he breaks a million right there? Yep,
you know Jesus wrestlers shall be paid for a minimum
of eight paid wow minimum, So he made he does
eight automatically, he does eight and guess what if he
does seven, he still gets paid for eight. So wait
a minute, So he got paid for pay per views
even though the company was under.
Speaker 7: Yes, and you remember that's why they tried to get
Hogan on Greed. They offered him. They told him to
show up at Greed because then they didn't think they'd
have to pay him because he refused to appear.
Speaker 3: No, brother, and we got fine line, dude, right, fine.
Speaker 7: Print, because I don't think he had a minimum like
this here. I don't think he did. I think it
was sort of like, yeah, there was, I mean we
went through it all. It's on the archives. But it
was some kind of deal where like he actually had
to like perform, he couldn't. He wouldn't just be paid. Uh,
he would be paid if he didn't.
Speaker 3: Want to be. No, No, he had to be the featured
performer the feature program and now it's his match or
something like that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, feature performers. Where was he and That's that was
his pushback, like, like, you just can't just tell me
to show up at a pay per view and expect
that to satisfy the contractual term, Like there needs to
be something put in place that makes it clear that
I'm the future performer. Otherwise that part of the contract
doesn't count. I'll and void, brother, And that's why he
cash those one million dollar checks even after he was
court is totally gone. Of course he did under a
contract that he was arguing in civil court was invalid.
Of course those parts were valid. The rest of it wasn't.
Speaker 3: Of course, Listen, I choose validity.
Speaker 7: It's been invalidated.
Speaker 3: Yes, I choose the validity that is required for my
own validation.
Speaker 7: Well, then mister Hogan, we can go ahead and process this.
Speaker 3: Check for you. Then this agreement shall commence as of
June not none nine, and shall continue until June eight,
two thousand and two. Travel when required to travel for
WW business. WW shall provide wrestler with a rental car, hotel,
tell accommodations. And so what the fuck was that whole
thing in the early part of of of how he
had to pay for his own travel and all that shit.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know why that's in there.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is a writer obviously, this part is
a writer here, so.
Speaker 7: This supplies only to said, whereas the rest is probably
boiler played language.
Speaker 3: It's right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's pretty crazy because I mean maybe a lot
of guys had this deal. But you know, that's the
whole wrestler thing is like we don't, we don't have
these expenses covered, but here it is. Of course they did,
at least he did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's absurd. First class air yep, Well he used
the leg room.
Speaker 7: You know, it's fair.
Speaker 3: He's you know, he's a big guy. Special provisions, so
these aren't special enough.
Speaker 7: Put home based Memphis, Tennessee, by the way in the contract,
so that he doesn't trust.
Speaker 3: You, well until yes, when my churches that's where my god.
Speaker 7: Is right presumably, so he doesn't try to move after
the contract and cost them three times more in airfare
than they we're expecting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you never know. Special provisions. Wrestlers shall not be
required to perform the services here. Oh my god, Oh
my goodness. Wrestlers shall not be required to perform services
here under an exist of one hundred and eighty days
per contractual year, exclusive of travel and.
Speaker 7: Then they have his address and his Social Security numbers,
which we don't need to share. Signed Sydney kue is
Sydney r Udi and I believe that's Eric Bishov's signature.
Speaker 3: It looks like an S to me, but whatever it does.
So wait a minute, wait a minute. So really, so
all this shit up here, he gets paid all this
nonsensical money for working six months.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well you about in June, like how it's June
to December.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm talking about how I'm talking about how it's
June to June. But he only has to work one
hundred eight days instead of three hundred and sixty five like.
Speaker 7: He well three and sixty guy would be Yeah, they didn't.
Speaker 3: Have Well I know, I know they I mean listen,
I know I get that. But still like that's he
is not required to perform beyond one hundred and eighty days.
Speaker 7: No, there's probably not many. That's probably how many shows
they had. Honestly, they probably didn't have any. They probably
have one hundred and eighty. They probably had less honestly
by then because they cut down have shows so much
TV taping by then, well they were still taping Thunder separately.
But at a certain point in two thousand they switched
to taping Thunder the same night as Nitro. But you know,
one pay per view a month. So yeah, that's part
of the reason. That's part of the appeal to going
to WCW was they weren't on the road three hundred
days a year. You know, last.
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Speaker 7: So we go back to where we started to reference
the schedule A and the compensation part of the agreement.
I believe that would be page four right, Mumm and
wrestler fatals to appear. After they do the breakdown of
forty percent pay per view, twenty five percent annual. I
don't understand, like why that's even in there, honestly, Like.
Speaker 3: Well, that's just gonna be again, that's just gonna be
for bait. This is your base caught. You know, this
is not a specific contract, it's a base contract. And
then the writer at the end, I.
Speaker 7: Should un't say why they have to set out like
that forty percent of his pay has to be from
pay per view.
Speaker 3: Well, it's everybody. Yeah, it's everybody, and chances are other
people like HUV and Kude. Guerrera is not getting a
rider at the end.
Speaker 7: You know that's true, But like everyone's going to be
a pay per view, so that how would you give
some guy, some guy who's never in pay per view
a contract that says forty percent of annual compensation is
going to be pay per view.
Speaker 3: No, maybe that's the point. Maybe you don't get compensated
for pay per views or not on, but.
Speaker 7: That it's not forty percent of your pay, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: No, I don't know.
Speaker 7: I don't know. So weird. I don't know why those
percentages are in there. I don't get it.
Speaker 3: Let's just pay the people, Like what is it?
Speaker 7: Why does it matter how much each little piece of
the each category of payment accounts for the whole pie.
I don't get why that's important.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. It is kind of weird. I mean,
especially like especially for sid when he's getting paid a
few bonuses anyway.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, and exactly like you said, the writer sets
in much more clear terms. But I don't even get
why that's boiler plate language, like, oh you pay me
what you pay me, and that's that, Like, why does
it matter how much of it is pay per view?
Speaker 3: Is it is strange? I mean I.
Speaker 7: Maybe because maybe because they could go beyond the eight
Oh I.
Speaker 3: Bet I know why. I bet I know why. This
is why because your your paycheck is not going to
be maybe your paycheck is different if like you know,
on say, I don't know how often they got paid.
I don't know what their pay schedule was, but if
you're paid every two weeks, maybe on you know, weeks
that are maybe like the two weeks that you don't
have a pay per view, you're not gonna get much money. Okay,
maybe yep, And maybe when you do a pay per
view you get more money. God it hit me the
fucking accountant for that.
Speaker 7: But well, yeah, you get well, at least as far
as since contract is structured, you get paid, you know,
over fifty two weeks, you get nine hundred thousand in
year three and then on top of that, in certain
periods you'd get.
Speaker 3: But I mean, yes, he does. But what if are
they going to distribute that in different ways? Like are
they going to say, hey, you know, we don't pay
you on you know, we don't pay you everything on
weeks where there are no.
Speaker 7: You know, but that would make sense. Actually no, I
think they just get there. They get their salary like
anybody else would, and even increments every two weeks. Yeah, yeah,
and then you get like an extra thing on there
for the pay per view. But what I think maybe
the forty percent is maybe because you know, like it
says minimum eight, like if they if they gave him twelve,
then perhaps the pay per view slug of his earnings
would be more than forty percent.
Speaker 3: Hmmm.
Speaker 7: And maybe that this is a way to control that,
like putting him on every pay per view, like maybe
in in relation to his salary. I don't know. I
still I still quite get why that has to be
in there. But that's one thing that occurred to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe maybe it is a maybe it is a
way you know what I bet this is what I'll
tell you what it is. It's so people can't say, well,
I did this, you know, I did this interview, photo shooting,
person appearances. Why am I going to pay extra for that? Well,
it's fifteen percent of what you get is from that,
Yeah I did, I did like twelve house shows. Why
am I going to paid extra for that well, because
it's part of your thing here, see twenty percent of
your pay. That that to me is the way way
it makes it basically, can't put the ceiling on it, right.
People can't come and ask more like, we've already included
that in part of your pay. It's not extra because
we've included it, even though you've done such and such.
That's where you get. You know, I don't know one
of our lawyers will say something.
Speaker 7: But probably yeah, yeah, I think of that as more
of a gating factor kind of like like we're saying
where you know, it's it cuts both ways, Like the
guy can't ask for all this extra money for all
this extra work, and they can't really demand it one either.
It's like only fifteen percent of my pay can be
all these interviews in photo shoots.
Speaker 3: But again, I'm looking at this, I'm looking at this.
I actually don't think of this as being now that
we've read the writer, like in a weird way, all
of this is null and void.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it just doesn't apply.
Speaker 3: It doesn't. But it's like they have to use their
base contract and then the rider comes into play for
the individuals. Yeah, for sure, for sure you know, like again,
this is what they'd give some fucking you know, this
is like what they gave Raymisterio in ninety six when
he came in. Yeah, like here, you know, listen, this
is what you get. No rider, you know, he's an idiot,
doesn't fucking ask for anything else, and so he gets
in a weird way.
Speaker 7: Jypped, I know what you mean. I think this is
probably this is probably a version of a boilerplate contract,
that is, for people that they actually plan on featuring
and putting on pay per view. I don't think they
would give this to a guy that they would never
put on pay per view. Like I don't think Landy
Pofo had forty percent of his annual compensation comes from
pay per views. That doesn't even make any sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe, but.
Speaker 7: This is it to me. This is just like a
way to This is a way to keep under control
the amount of each category that can foist on the guy.
Speaker 14: Yeah you know, yeah, Parada read that parts those those
nditions be rather.
Speaker 7: Just pick it up after the after those percentages on
page page four.
Speaker 3: I read that part. Though I heard part of that
I can read again. In the event wrestler fails to
timely appear in performance required by WCW, except by reason
of incapacity. WCW shall have the right to deduct pro
rated sums from wrestlers compensation payments based on the foregoing
appointment apportionment, divided by w CW's reasonable projection of wrestler's
number of annual appearances in each category. In the event
wrestler's unable to perform due to incapacity as defined below,
the terms of Section eight shall apply this right. WCW
shall be at addition to every other remedy now or
later existing at law or in equity, and shall not
in any way interfere with any rights on the part
of WCW to enjoin wrestler from any violation of disagreement
or any part thereof. Notwithstanding any reduction or deduction of
compensation payments pursued to this section, all remaining terms and
conditions of this agreement shell continue in full force and
effect unless and until terminated pursuant to the terms of.
Speaker 7: This agreement, so he fails to appear as required unless
he's incapacitated, WCW can take can take away pro rated
sums from his payment based on the foregoing apportionment divided
by w w's revisional projection of wrestler's number of ango
appearances in each category. So this is this is further
like explaining why those forty percent pay per view and
all those numbers we just talked about are in there.
It's giving them kind of like a guide to use
when they want a deduct pay.
Speaker 3: Except again, this is again, this is like where you're
talking about kind of a basic contract because all this
is not on void. Yeah, based on the writer, I
think so he's not deducted anything, yeah, at all for
missing things. He's guaranteed money no matter what he does.
Speaker 7: I've been him a mate, Yeah, yep, yep. But I
think I think they are saying like, we could not
pay you for a ninth if you're incapacitated. That's kind
of how I read it. Like it's still it's still
in here for a reason. It's not totally null and void,
but it applies after all the guarantees are set and then.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess so.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 3: See, notwithstanding the foregoing apportionment for general payment purposes, Wrestler's
compensation shall be payable in equal installments on a twice
a month basis. Or basin such schedule as WSW may
implement from time to time.
Speaker 7: There's there's where the paychecks come in. Twice a month, Yeah,
twice a month. For ownership of work product, all work product.
Speaker 3: Work product.
Speaker 7: Say that again?
Speaker 3: Oh my god. It sounds like, you know, like you
buy like a craft cheese and it says artificial cheese product.
Speaker 7: I know, well, not too far off.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's probably true. I guess you could definitely say
this is artificial cheese product. All work product themes, routines, characters, storylines,
property data, documentation or information of materials conceived, discovered, developed,
or created by wrestler pursuit disagreement, including without limitation, the
programs collectively, the work product shall be owned exclusively by
WCW to the greatest extent possible. Any work product shall
be deemed to be work made for hire.
Speaker 8: Ah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, as I find the Copyright Act and owned exclusively
by WCW, wrestler herebys unconditionally, A revocably transferms and assigns
a WCW all rights title interest in or any or
any work product, including without limitation, all patents, copyrights, trade secrets, trademarks,
service marks, service marks. They're like a guy fucking delivering
me food and other intellectual What happens my viennus? I
need to know exactly what happens to my venus.
Speaker 9: There's something missing from this contract.
Speaker 3: My viennas are not owned by WSW.
Speaker 5: He sent my church in case of Vienna sausages, and
I sent him an autograph picture.
Speaker 3: Ooh oh, coach, so cool?
Speaker 7: I know where do I get out of that action.
Speaker 3: Sid Jesus Wrestler has previously developed and represents the WSW
that he is the sole owner of the fallen ring names,
stage names or nicknames in connection with the provision of
professional wrestling services Sid Vicious. Doesn't the rocker own that name?
I guess Russian wrestling services?
Speaker 7: I guess, which is weird because he has to own
that to work for you, Like, what if he doesn't
own it? Who cares?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Right, that's a term of the contract that you have
to own your wrestling name. I've never heard of that. Well,
maybe because it's previously developed. They do say that in
the contract. Yeah, I get that. I think probably what
it is is if someone sues us for calling you
Sid Vicious on TV, it's on you, not us, because
we told you that in exchange for this contract, you're
representing that you have.
Speaker 3: The rights to use the name Yeah. Wrestler here by
licenses WW to use and exploit any in all of
the wrestler's names, exclusively during the term for all purposes
here under, and non exclusively thereafter in connection with ww's
exploitation or use the programs. Wrestler grees is that any
ring named, nicknamed, persona, logo, or character developed by him
and on WCW during the term, and used by him
in connection with performance of the services, shall be part
of the work product and shall be the exclusive property
of WCW. W CW shall have the right to register
any such name, nickname, or logo as a trademark or
service market WCW to the extent WCW considers such registration
to be permitted and appropriate under any applicable law. Without
regard to any such registration, Wrestler here by covenants that
he shall not use any such ring, name, nickname, persona, logo,
or character developed during the term for any purpose at
any time in propuity produity.
Speaker 7: Huh, you said it just like he would.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 3: Well, the express consent w W. Wrestler agrees to execute and
deliver ws W all male packages, all Vienna's, all Vienna packages.
I will not you put down a FRANKO, deliver those
fucking viennas. Fike, Yeah, Ed, I wonder how many times
why don't you listen to me? I've called your name
eighteen times and you just sat there sleeping like a bitch.
Speaker 9: Did you deliver the venas?
Speaker 3: I need to know right now, and I'm gonna ask
you something. It's real simple, right, It's so simple it's
gonna hit you in the head like a shot. Look
at your father. I want you turn around your bed.
I won't look you didn'ty I, And I want to
know did you you deliver the Venus sausages? I want
you to lie to me. I know if you're lying.
Did you deliver the viennas?
Speaker 9: Because if you didn't, Frank, there's gonna be an awful
lot a back of crackers by water moon by or
oat mail bi extremes unwillingly.
Speaker 3: Because I'm gonna tell you right now, if you do
not deliver the viennas, then I cannot bark the car
in the garage and I won't kill you.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmmm.
Speaker 3: I need to bark the car in the garage those
without regard to any such registration. Oh no, I did.
I was reading something about deliverance. Where's the delivering thing?
The covenants are at that bottom of product is not
considered to be work made for hire wrestler agrees to
execute and delivered w W any transfers, assignments, documents, or
other instruments which you may deem necessary or appropriate from
time to time to best to vest, to vest, is
that what that is? What page are you on? I'm
on five five lines from from the bottom.
Speaker 7: Let's see.
Speaker 3: Yeah, from time to time. To vest complete?
Speaker 7: Yeah, vest is to like give someone something, to give
it over to them. Okay, I vest in you the power,
the power vested in me.
Speaker 3: Vest complete title and ownership of any work product and
ill associated intellectual property and other riots exclusively in w
c W.
Speaker 7: Now when they say they want a VEST complete title,
does that mean that this my black leather vest.
Speaker 3: Now we're talking when you when you say vest complete title,
dos that mean that I get the entire title belt
leather vest including you want my vest?
Speaker 8: Is it it?
Speaker 3: I need? I need the language to be ironed out here.
Speaker 7: I also need my vest to be ironed out here.
Speaker 3: I also need my dry cleaning ironed. I need my
underwear ironed.
Speaker 7: Oh my god. That said, like the company shall arrange
for hotel air transportation, first class air, and laundry services.
Speaker 3: Specifically, I like my underwear.
Speaker 7: Are guys, we don't want this guy wandering the hallways
of his hotel looking for a water dryer.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's still have no problem walking around hotels with
my with no pants. Clearly a right, my fucking cock
dangling out looking for someone to iron my fucking shorts.
Speaker 7: Where's my cut? Part of the pun?
Speaker 3: Uh if such work products is not considered to be
a work made for her wrestler hereby signs of WW
for one dollar in hand and other good and valuable
considerational riots, title and interest in into the copyright thereof,
and all renews and extensions thereof that may be secured
under the laws of any country now or hereafter enforce
and effect.
Speaker 15: Now, guys, I'm going to talk about a contract term wrestler.
Here about a sign to WCW for one dollar in hand,
another good infallible consideration, all rights, title, and interest. Instead
of SID assigning all those rights WW for one dollar,
can we change the one dollar to two hundred and
fifty million.
Speaker 3: Dollars I like to have here, he s, a WW
offers me two hundred and fifty million dollars each month.
Speaker 7: He crosses out the one dollar and writes two hundred
and fifty million above it, to see if they'll accept
per month. That's a way to sneak the biggest slug
of the contract in there.
Speaker 3: You imagine they fucking signed that, didn't even fucking read
it over. Yeah, sure, say whatever you say initial hear
pal in an other good and valuable consideration, all rights, title,
and interest into the copyright thereof, and all the news
I say, I read that already they're able to work.
Disagreement number five. Compliance with Laws, rules and Regulations. A
wrests agrees to comply with all applicable policies, rules, procedures,
and regulations adopted from time to time. Now, we don't
necessarily all have rules all the time, but from time
to time we do rules and policies.
Speaker 10: Colonel Parker, right this, I said, Well, don't always have
rules all the time, but sometimes we adopt them, rules
and procedures from time to time.
Speaker 2: Well, time and time.
Speaker 10: It's not all the time, it's from time to time
I fuck it.
Speaker 2: I gotta take a ship.
Speaker 7: I fuck it. He said, I fuck it? Oh you do? Huh?
Speaker 2: All right? You know ship? Sometimes my balls just hanging out.
I asked my dad. I said, Dad, why to have
my balls out?
Speaker 7: I saw that war games too, Rob. I asked my dad,
I said, Dad, why are my balls hanging out?
Speaker 2: He looked me with a funny face and just burnt
and said.
Speaker 7: Fuck it. So my daddy said, right, I'll see he
was he was trimming his beard.
Speaker 3: He was.
Speaker 2: She's out there with decisions, just trimming his damn bead,
is it?
Speaker 4: And Rob?
Speaker 3: And he's trimming his beard?
Speaker 10: And Rob, just put your fucking balls back in your
paint his balls or I'm gonna cut him off with decisions.
Speaker 7: Not the rest of the balls. That is funny, Like
someone a guy like his zippers opened, his flies open
and his balls were hanging out, but not his dick.
That's a sight to behold, just like.
Speaker 2: The same way as you goddamn car.
Speaker 7: Just his balls resting on Khaki.
Speaker 3: It's like this fucking like fucking fell out of it
like somehow, so they just fell out of the fucking zipper.
Speaker 7: The bottom falls out. Excuse me, sir, what are those?
Those are my nuts, ma'am.
Speaker 3: Those balls are as smooth as.
Speaker 5: He sent my church a case of being sausages, and
I sent him an autograph picture.
Speaker 7: Fucking fucking watch don't know? Don't you dare not in
the sid tribute. I don't have the capacity.
Speaker 2: What's good?
Speaker 7: Bos?
Speaker 9: What's good?
Speaker 16: Bitch?
Speaker 7: What's wrong with It's a great question, rogers? What's wrong
with Roger?
Speaker 8: What's wrong with pussy? Milton read?
Speaker 7: Oh, Milton read is what's wrong with a little?
Speaker 3: Oh my god? What did he say?
Speaker 7: Milton read like that?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's the greatest thing, Milton Milton read.
Speaker 7: That's what you're missing under the cinemat folks, that's the
great Roger Moore, one of the great double oh seven's.
Speaker 3: Oh my god?
Speaker 8: What's wrong with pussy crock? That is?
Speaker 7: That is a problematic byproduct? That's true.
Speaker 3: Okay, alright, alright, okay, okay.
Speaker 7: Your dumb foot? Who is that freaking cheek?
Speaker 4: No doubt.
Speaker 17: Picture wrestling fans have been tripping last wrestling fans trick.
Speaker 7: Those balls?
Speaker 4: I wish you.
Speaker 3: Are very good.
Speaker 7: It's like a tapestry.
Speaker 3: It's like.
Speaker 7: It's like the Guernica painting. By Picasso. Just Milton, that
was very very naughty of you, Bob. I don't think
the people are ready for that, I really do. I
think they know anything about what that just happened.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Milton read to understand. Like also his
voice by that point, you know, as he got older,
his voice just somehow got deeper and deeper and deeper
and deeper.
Speaker 7: Absolutely it did.
Speaker 3: Oh god? Anyway, Uh what the representations? Yeah, wrestler here
about represents and warrens w c w's follows. A wrestler
has a full power, authority, ability and legal right.
Speaker 7: To execute who ye, right he do? I get to execute?
O Hogan?
Speaker 3: What Michaels, Sam Michaels, Big Daddy code Diesel say, those
are w W guys.
Speaker 8: You know we don't we don't.
Speaker 3: You know we've got national Hogan here, but you're not Diesel.
Speaker 7: Why are you looking at me, Harvey Schiller?
Speaker 3: Is it because I'm not a big movie star?
Speaker 8: Oh?
Speaker 3: Ship like the Hulk Hogan, the immortal one himself.
Speaker 7: That would have been a coo to bring in Jack
Toney to w CW. Imagine him walking out of Nitro
and like overruling Arth Bishop a riot.
Speaker 3: Thank you Eric, that's that's Jack Toney, s Shavanni. I know,
I know he'd make the biggest deal out of it fans,
one of the more god fans.
Speaker 7: He died in twenty oh four. He's available. Did anybody
ever make a play for Jack Towney. I can picture
Russa Russo wanted to bring him in just to like
cover him in dog shit or something.
Speaker 3: Oh you know, he would have done that. I would
have loved that.
Speaker 7: I think that's the missing piece. When ben Wan won
the title in ninety nine and at w W Mayhem,
they should have had him with Jack Toney. He's his manager.
Speaker 3: I think he just said they're like half asleep, not
knowing where the fuck he is. And they put a
rocking chair at ringside, just like that Tuesday in Texas, right,
you know, they put out the chair for him so
he can watch it gets fucking knocked over the.
Speaker 7: Ah instead of instead of like Sting descending from the rafters,
Jack Toney descends.
Speaker 3: Could you imagine all of a sudden and he comes
out as fast as as Sting would, His arms just
fucking like he looks like a corpse. Honestly, you know,
his arm's just fucking dangling.
Speaker 7: It's funny. I called an audible there. I wasn't going
to say Jack Tundy descends, but then I realized it
was pretty funny. But what I was gonna say is,
instead of singing, they put a tuna steak on the
on the cable and they descend it down onto Tony's.
Speaker 3: Face as he lays on the on the mat in
the ring. You know, a thought, and he sells it
like an octopus. Is like bothering him. Just imagine that
old man writhing on the floor with a fucking piece
of meat. Weish meat on his face.
Speaker 7: Thinking of about Jack Tunny like we really don't other situations.
Speaker 3: You know, he really deserved more than he got.
Speaker 7: He did, absolutely he did.
Speaker 3: Like he he he could have been such an asset
to w CW and is whenever he winded, he he
left in like ninety five. Oh my god, you imagine
if he fucking jumped ship.
Speaker 7: That's been so funny.
Speaker 3: I'm if he fucking became like n w O.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's like them straight, like the corrupt lawyer for
them for life. My god, that's been great, I think.
Speaker 3: And so to see him wearing like to see him
wearing the same gray slacks, but with a with a
fucking nWo T shirt.
Speaker 7: Oh my god, boss, you're fucking electrifying.
Speaker 3: Me, and like in like sunglasses and a leather jacket.
Speaker 7: Back then, you heard about every making a play for everybody.
They would have taken anybody from WWF just to fuck
with Vince.
Speaker 3: Ah, that would have been tremendous. See him just completely
like get out of context. Yeah yeah. Oh. To execute
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Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 7: That is the question. Well, good thing had cleared up
the arn and some lawsuit by then, because that would
be a problematic clause for.
Speaker 3: Him, I would imagine, So, I would imagine. So it's absurd.
Negations disagree. Wrestlers not currently using enduring the term disagreement
shall not use any illegal drugs, steroids, or other substances
prohibited by WSW.
Speaker 7: It is in the contract. It is prohibited from using steroids.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure that really stopped.
Speaker 7: Where's the enforcement provision on that one?
Speaker 1: The la fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows
the boys need their candy, it's the Lampsed Fan. He's
a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and carn.
Speaker 3: J And where's uh, Yeah, who enforces that on Randy Savage?
Speaker 7: Right? By the way, this contract you probably got that
that sentence ex sized entire roe.
Speaker 3: I wanna tell you something I don't want telling you right, No,
I'm not gonna do that one. Let's have that one.
You know what, Let's just say, you know what, let's
just say we turned a blind eye, right, and we're
gonna remove that one.
Speaker 7: Plan using steroids. Yeah, I told you I didn't.
Speaker 3: I know, I'm not planning to use the steroids. I'm
not gonna not do steroids. We just want to kind
of keep that last one.
Speaker 8: What.
Speaker 3: I just went around did the business. I did the thing,
getting it, doing one, two, three, up and down and
all around.
Speaker 7: Think you just said I just went around and did
the business. It was like it took a ship to me.
And he says, like, I don't plan on using steroids.
So I don't know why there's a line in my
contract saying I won't do it. I don't plan on
doing it.
Speaker 3: I don't plan on doing it. I'm not saying that
I'm gonna do it. I'm not saying I'm not gonna
do it. I just can tell you right now, on
top of things, if we're talking about where we're seeing
to eye right now, I'm not gonna do it. I
don't plan on doing it, so why do we have
it in the contract? You know, nothing to worry about me.
I've been there, I've done it. I've gone round and
round before, I've gone up and down the mountain. I've
gone up and down the staircase. I've seen things with
one eye. I've seen other things with the I've done.
Speaker 7: No well sees things with one eye. Jr.
Speaker 3: I mean Captain Jim Ross to be the pirate?
Speaker 7: I mean I don't want to be. I don't want
to be a stickler for this. But are we just
gonna list What shouldn't the contract just listings I'm going
to do?
Speaker 3: Why shouldn't I just don't understand. I'm sitting here wondering
exactly what we're trying to get a hold of.
Speaker 7: I'm not gonna do steroids, and it's an ineur SYSM
do stearis. There's a lot of things I'm not gonna do.
Do we have to enumerate every one of them in
the contract? Why does the contract have to say what
I'm doing?
Speaker 3: A right? No, I'm not gonna do the j O
Beata Hooven do Guerrera put that in there? Everybody putting
mad in the contract, seeing establish'll not do a job.
But I ain't planning to lose that fucking freak.
Speaker 7: God, just like I ain't planning on doing steroids.
Speaker 3: I'm not planning on doing steroids. I don't intend to
do steroids. I think what we gotta do, what we
should plan on, is take that part of the contract
out a commission. Bingo, you nailed it.
Speaker 7: Feel proud of yourself. You landed the plane.
Speaker 12: Oh god.
Speaker 3: Uh. Wrestler agrees indemnify, defend, and hold harmless wsw IS directors, officers, shareholders,
and their respective agents, officers and employees against any and
all suits, Damages, expenses, including without limitation, court costs, attorneys fees,
out lookable.
Speaker 7: Like that word.
Speaker 3: Right the way he says it, out lookable, costs of
in house counsel, losses. I don't plan on losing. In fact,
I intend I have an undefeated streak. That's my plan. Liabilities.
Speaker 7: Ask your question, but do you really have to tell
a wrestler to hold harmless?
Speaker 3: It's that kind of the whole point. Well, it depends
on who you are. It was was sitting known for
holding harmless, not if your shirt jobs. That's true, That
is true, harmless losss, liabilities and claims of any kind
caused by or resulting from any breach, disagreement, or by
any other act or omission of wrestler, whether the same
may be the result of negligence, willful act, responsibility under
strict liability standards, any other substandard conduct, or otherwise. Wrestler
shall at all times be responsible for any loss or
damage to any WCW property by wrestler or while in
the possession of wrestler, unless said damage occurs at the
time direct instruction of WCW as part of a storyline.
Speaker 7: It's pretty funny that to put that in there, the lass.
Speaker 3: That's hilarious, Like, okay, I guess, I mean, I don't know.
There are other ways that do you really need to
say that?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 7: You have to stipulate that we're not going to come
after you for breaking a car if we direct it
or break the car.
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe maybe it is for his protection, but
still that's fucking lame if you ask me. But whatever
the loss or damage here, there too shall be restored
at wrestler's expense term termination incapacity, unless sooner terminated in
accordance with the provisions of this agreement. The term of
this agreement shall be as described in Exhibit A attached
here to and incorporated here in by reference. You read that. Yeah,
the terminus agreement shall be divided into consecutive one year periods.
During any such period, WSHW may terminate this agreement with
or without cause, but after giving wrestler at least three
months prior written notice.
Speaker 7: Is that normal notice?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Ninety days?
Speaker 3: Yep, you get so, we're gonna fire you in ninety days,
even if it does something really bad.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3: It seems weird.
Speaker 7: Yeah, get your affairs in order. That seems so fucking
weird to me. Whatever, I guess.
Speaker 3: Where was I? Wrestler may terminate this agreement upon the
occurrence of any material breach of any provision here up
by WSW which remains uncured for a period of fifteen
consecutive days after wrestlers provide WSW with written notice of
the breach. W CW may immediately terminate this agreement upon
the occurrence or at any time during the continuation of
any material breach of any provision wrestler. Any provision hereo
by wrestler. Okay, so that's if he does a breach,
so he has to give them fifteen days to fix
it and they interminate him at them at the moment
for a breach contract.
Speaker 8: Wow.
Speaker 7: Yeah, So I guess there's a different term for breach
versus just we want to.
Speaker 3: Get rid of you Jesus Christ. I mean, hey, whatever,
but like that's wow, that's intense. That's intense. So I'll
just say that that is intense. Wrestler may terminate this
agreement or suspend wrestler or ww rather w CWY may
terminate this agreement or suspend wrestler without pay for good
calls by written notice setting forth the reason for such
termination or suspension for the purpose is disagree WWWWW now
have good cause for termination of wrestler's agreement or suspension
without pay if wrestler is convicted of, or please guilty to,
any felony or a crime involving theft, fraud, or moral turpetua.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 7: Interesting what that they well that they have grounds to
terminate the deal.
Speaker 3: If you get.
Speaker 7: You gain trouble. Outside of the wrestling organizations, there certainly
a lot of guys Scott Hall, Eddie Guerrero that had
brushes with the law when they were under WSW contract,
and they certainly didn't get rid of them, but they
had grounds too. If this is boilerplate, that's wild and
it's a felony or a crime involving theft fraud, so
those could be misdemeanors too that are covered. What that
wouldn't cover a crime involving theft, fraud or moral Yeah,
I guess jaywalking. Well yeah, okay, right, that's funny. Actually, yeah,
like there's very little not covered there, but that's one
pass to mind j.
Speaker 3: That would be absolute hilarious. If wrestler intentionally violates any law, rule, regulation,
or order of any governmental authority, thereby exposing ww IS,
parent subsidiaries, or any affiliatedity of the WCWT potential civil
or criminal penalties. If wrestler fails adequately or completely perform
any of his duties or obligations here under, whether express
or implied. If wrestler fails to follow the direction ww's officers.
If wrestler engages and conduct or activities involved in moral
turpitude materially damaging to the business or reputation WCW. If
wrestler violates the WCW Substance Abuse Policy. If wrestler otherwise
breaches any provision representation of this agreement. If wrestler intentionally
misappropriates for his own purpose and benefit and any property
of the WCW, its parent subsidiaries, or any affiliated entity
of WW, or appropriates appropriates any corporate opportunity of WW,
its parent subsidiaries, or any affiliated unity of WCW, wrestler
acknowledges that a waiver by WCW of its rights was
respect to any provision of this paragraph in one instance,
will not be deemed to constitute a waiver of its
rights with respect to the same, or a similar breach thereafter.
Speaker 9: I just want to let you know that I'm letting
your feazy this time, but this waiver does not constitute
a waiver of all rights with respect of the same.
Speaker 3: I just want let you know something.
Speaker 7: This is not a waiver of my right of obligation,
right bingo.
Speaker 8: Or lack thereof?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 12: Right?
Speaker 3: Well, clearly, this agreement shall terminate automatically upon my death.
Speaker 7: You can finish it started.
Speaker 3: Agreement shall terminate automatically upon the death of wrestler brother.
Speaker 8: What do you.
Speaker 3: Mean, death of wrestler brother?
Speaker 8: What do you.
Speaker 7: What's that in there? Did that go without song? Why
does that have to be in black?
Speaker 3: And why are you talking about? I mean, what are
you implying, dude?
Speaker 7: Shouldn't there be more in there about like what happens
if someone else, if someone's found guilty of that death
or me?
Speaker 8: What do you.
Speaker 3: On the front do you try to say?
Speaker 7: If you want to get out of this contract with
Hulk Hogan, you have the incentive to kill him?
Speaker 3: Brother? Are you Are you saying you can kill Hulk Hogan? Right?
Speaker 7: Are you saying that you give the authority to kill
Hulk Hogan? I don't know why else that contract clause
would be in there, brother.
Speaker 3: I Brother, I feel like I'm getting well, you know what, dude,
I just h Terry. I I just want to get
it on the same page. Brother, it's all masking, Dude,
I want you know dollar in.
Speaker 7: You don't say you don't say Terry uh he wants
to dial it in ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 8: M and just.
Speaker 3: You're back on track, dude. I'm just feeling a little.
Speaker 7: Says death And you can understand, brother, I get a
little wide eyed at that.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm call it like you know, we're talking
about why I'm a white glide?
Speaker 7: Brother coming at me wide open? Is what you're doing?
Speaker 3: Why didn't say that?
Speaker 8: Dude?
Speaker 7: I mean, you know Rex flaor brother? He comes at
you wide open? B What does that even mean? Ogan?
What is that even?
Speaker 8: Where?
Speaker 3: I just wonder where were coming from.
Speaker 7: And coming from behind? Ooh, pull up, like to pull
up to hulk, like gassing up at at a gas station.
Speaker 3: Excuse me?
Speaker 7: Sure, I'm looking for directions? Time to get back on
the turn pike. Where He goes, where are you coming
from from behind?
Speaker 12: What?
Speaker 3: What are you from from behind?
Speaker 7: What do you turn around? You've been talking to you?
Dude looks around like who's giving you? He looks it,
looks at his eleven o'clock is six o'clock is four o'clock.
He's looking everywhere around.
Speaker 3: Are you getting a push?
Speaker 2: Dude?
Speaker 3: Shock the easy brother to shock. A Bischoff.
Speaker 7: Truck is stuck in a snow bank. Everyone's in there
trying to push it out. He goes, you're giving push?
Is this a push in the making?
Speaker 3: Brother? Can you give me a push?
Speaker 7: What I need to?
Speaker 3: Might?
Speaker 7: Give me a push?
Speaker 3: Sir? Yeah, we're good. What I want to tell you
right now, dude? Do you mind giving you a push
for that? I don't know what your credentials are.
Speaker 7: Come at me like wide open like that. What do
you expect me to say? Cross? Can you give me
a push? Guys, now you've asked if.
Speaker 3: You can have a push. Hey, I'm gonna stuck over here?
Can you give me a push?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 2: Whoa?
Speaker 4: Whoa?
Speaker 7: Before his horse?
Speaker 3: We're talking about I mean, we're talking about that. We're
putting the kids before his brother.
Speaker 7: His word for horse.
Speaker 3: His it's word for card kids.
Speaker 7: Choosy mom's choose kids.
Speaker 3: And we're putting you. You know, I feel like you're
putting the kids before that his dude, me too. Actually,
uh so you say you're stuck, brother, we've all been
kind of in a rut, Dude. I've I've been kind
of in that little thing. You kind of get to that,
you'll get over that next obstacle. Brother. But you're saying,
I'm gonna I'm stuck right now due to my career
and where I am in the ring. Brother, And so
I'm gonna go out to Hulk Hogan kind of like
butter him up a little bit, brother, and I'm gonna
ask for a push, dude, get his title, brother, get
his torch, dude, and take Dubble's show to that next level.
Speaker 7: He says, take w'sw to that next list, Like that's
like that's a paranoid thing to say, Like that's gonna
be afraid of if he's gonna do it that next
he just speaks of these vagaries for the rest of
his time on earthuntil he's in the ground. Dial it in.
Speaker 3: This thing's on.
Speaker 7: None of it is ever true, you know, just.
Speaker 3: Bizarre, bizarre paranoia about random ship that like nobody cares about.
People are just trying to live their normal.
Speaker 7: I mean steal. This agreement shall terminate automatically upon the
death of wrestler and he's slammed on the brakes.
Speaker 3: WHOA, I gotta f up with gas, dude?
Speaker 4: Whoa whoa?
Speaker 3: Whoa dude?
Speaker 4: Whoa whoa?
Speaker 3: Brother? Whoa Let's just slow this thing down, to slow
the machine down?
Speaker 9: Brother?
Speaker 3: What's the diz and death of wrestler?
Speaker 8: Dude?
Speaker 7: The death of a salesman?
Speaker 3: Dude? Who's are we talking?
Speaker 7: Always a promising preamble?
Speaker 3: Are we talking?
Speaker 7: It's good?
Speaker 3: That's good?
Speaker 7: What's next? The following shell govern.
Speaker 3: Are we talking Arthur Miller? Dude? A death of a
what we're talking Arthur the cat Miller. Are we talking
another cat, dude?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 7: Exactly how many cats were we talking about? We already
have one Miller brother, I means.
Speaker 3: We got one Miller dude, we've got two cats. We
got what I won't always say what's going on?
Speaker 7: Sext Dennis Miller brother?
Speaker 8: What see?
Speaker 7: Okay, I think it's taken us ten years, but this
is it. This is the heart of it, is that
Halt is always reacting to the thing you say while
he was talking. See, he's in the middle of like
an exposition, and you say something, and it's like he's
he's he's afraid he missed what you just mumbled.
Speaker 3: Thinking about like this, He's already on a detour, right, okay,
like he was going he was going down his normal
path and he's already on like two or three detours,
and he's trying to just navigate this this last detour,
and all of a sudden you put in another fucking detour.
Speaker 7: Exactly what like, now I have to incorporate that it's insanity.
Speaker 3: Oh my good, out of town?
Speaker 7: The capacity do you think I have?
Speaker 8: What?
Speaker 7: Like, did you say something else?
Speaker 3: Are you talking about another threat? Dude? Exactly? For this
purpose show uh. The following shall govern in the event
of incapacity of wrestler, oh boy, for the purposes disagreement.
Incapacity shall be defined as wrestler's inability to perform all
the physical requirements of the services as determined by I'm
telling you right now, I can get my cock up,
all right, we're tucking the mutual man. Mutual men can't
get it hold on the daily face.
Speaker 9: The fuck.
Speaker 7: Not sure. Only macho men get hard on a daily basis,
with like his shades on.
Speaker 3: The with the thing in the hand like the ring
finger and a pointer finger, and the thumb on the glasses.
Speaker 7: Landy's got the TV above his bed to prove otherwise,
this fucking twelve inch dong.
Speaker 3: What okay, Landio okay? Like Landy is the complete opposite
of that, Like he just he he chooses to just
lay flaccid forever. All right, Oh my god, that would
God imagine kind of like you know, again, here we go,
Like I imagine him, He's laying on his bed and
it's just kind of like drooping over his fucking legs.
All right, I don't care.
Speaker 7: What else you're about to say. We've already found the
heart of the matter, it's not flaccid. You think flacid
is the most important detail there, right, that that really
is what lands the plane. No, the keyword there, I
think you can agree, is not flaccid. It's chooses, right,
because chooses puts it in this whole other category of
almost like a capitulation. Yeah, he's he's he has he's
certain fatalism about it.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 7: It's like he knows, he knows it will do him
no good to get hard. And so despite the fact
that he's hung like a fucking horse, he just chooses
not to get it up. Is he chooses to lay flaccid,
which I think is just as poetic is we're gonna
get on this podcast. Chooses. I mean, that's like, that's
like the great ending line of like a short poem.
I don't know what the rest says, but the last
line of it is and through it all he chooses
to lay flaccid after all, you know what I mean,
in light or in spite of it all, rest in peace.
Speaker 3: That's straight. All three of them.
Speaker 7: Ship that's true. That's actually true?
Speaker 3: All right? How does that feel? Not great?
Speaker 8: Not at all?
Speaker 3: They talked about what episode Wasn't that they talked about
Lanny Lanny Lane choosing to lay flaccid. That was the
SID contract episode.
Speaker 7: Yeah, this one's gonna be one where there's a lot
of Easter eggs.
Speaker 3: For purpose of this agreement, incapacity shall be defined as
wrestlers inability to perform all the physical requirements of the
services as determined by w CW. WCW may, at its
option and expense, require wrestler to be evaluated by physicians
selected by w CW for purposes of determination of incapacity. Wow, well,
now you know, we just want to determine exactly how
in capacitory you.
Speaker 7: I wonder why that clause would have to be in
sid's contract.
Speaker 3: See, we just wondering exactly what is incapacitating about you?
Speaker 7: Because we've heard that, uh, you're good at manufacturing incapacity.
Speaker 3: We understand that you have had some, uh some fraudulent
incapacities in the past.
Speaker 7: Understanding you've even gone back to your hotel when you
thought you're having a heart attack, for instance.
Speaker 3: We understand that you've even you know, you went, you know,
you went back to a hotel and had yourself you know,
you went by the hotel. If you're having a heart
attack and had a burger right and and and a
raw stake.
Speaker 7: Second one.
Speaker 3: I don't get, but.
Speaker 7: This is going to be important because not only does
said snap his leg at sin, he claims that he
was basically forced to do it. And maybe some of
these contractual terms explain the basis for.
Speaker 3: The month to you right now, I'm not normally obligated
to fulfilled contractual obligations by nuntil you right now. I
was forced. I was forced to jump against my will,
and I was forced to break my leg against my will.
Speaker 7: Correct, I did not.
Speaker 3: I did not allow somebody to break my leg. Somebody
forced it upon me. I'll force my broken leg up
your ass. In the event of capacity, wrestler shall continue
to receive his filled compensation.
Speaker 7: Well, forget it, so much for discouraging him from manufacturing
a reason and incompaciated for.
Speaker 3: First community of thirty counter days of incapacity for contract
year and the agreement that show remained in full force.
All right, So just thirty days of pay so he
gets through, Okay, okay. If wrestler remains incapacitated after the
initial initial thirty day incapacity period, whether consecutive or not,
wswshow have the option at any point during which wrestler
thereafter remains incapacity to terminate this agreement without further obligation.
Speaker 7: Sounds like what the Huff Houston fires Steve Boston.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, unless and until wswshall exercise such right to
terminate this agreement on the basis of incapacity, wswsholla continue
to pay wrestler on this agreement at the rate of
one third of the compensation otherwise payable here under or
B utilized wrestler for non wrestling services, and pay wrestler
at the rate of one half of the competation otherwise
payable here under. Wrestler's ability to perform non wrestling services
shall be determined by ww while wrestlers being paid pursuant
to for A or B all other terms, this agreement
shall remain in full force.
Speaker 7: So there it is thirty days full pay, and then
after that, if you're still incapacitated, and if WCW does
not exercise it's right to terminate the agreement, he's going
to get thirty three and a third of the compensation otherwise.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, well there you go. H Wait, No, five, yeah, five?
Any reduction in compensation pursuing this section shall cease upon
the earlier of a determination that wrestlers again able to
perform all the physical requirements of the services. B the
expirationist agreement or c the termination disagreement by w CW
as provided for Herein H, wrestler acknowledges his president eligibility
for workers compensation through WW workers Compensation.
Speaker 7: Well, I thought that was the rest of the contract.
Speaker 3: Yeah, For so long as WW maintains workers compensation coverage,
wrestler agrees to accept the benefits provided by said workers
compensation coverage, as is so an exclusive remedy against WCW,
including his parent, affiliates, employees, and agents, for any and
all injuries sustained during the term provided said coverage is
maintained by w CW, and is an effect with respect
to such injury. Notwithstanding any anything here into the contrary,
WW shall not be obligated Y to maintain workers' compensation coverage.
Speaker 7: WCWS shall not be obligated said, I.
Speaker 3: Don't believe that I'm not obligated to not obligate.
Speaker 7: Right, I'm not obligated to knowledge obligation.
Speaker 3: I'm not obligated to disobligate exactly. Obligation exactly.
Speaker 7: And this would be hyper relevant for sid here as
you can imagine sure warfare comp stuff.
Speaker 3: Number nine restrictive covenance A confidentiality. Confidential information shall mean
any confidential, proprietary business information or data belonging to or
pertaining to WCW that does not constitute a trade secret
as define unapplicable law, and that is not generally known
by or available through legal means to the public. In
recognition of ww's need to protect its legitimate business interests.
Speaker 7: Legitimate business interests really where those it has a legitimate
business I may be h have ready to rumble since
I haven't seen it yet.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Wrestler here by covenants and agree he's a wrestler, shall not,
unless specifically directed by WCW, for any reason or any fashion,
either directly or indirectly, use this close, transfer a sign, disseminate, reproduce, copy,
or otherwise communicate any confidential information at all times during
his contractual relationship with WCW and for a period of
one year following the termination thereof, for any reason, and
trade secrets at all times. Such information remains a trade
secret under applicable.
Speaker 7: Laws pretty well during the he's free to talk about
confidential information after a year, right, know why they wouldn't just.
Speaker 3: I know, I guess you can't.
Speaker 7: But why one year? I don't get it.
Speaker 3: I know that doesn't make much sense at all.
Speaker 7: In a year he gets terminated in a year after
he can just talk about everything, Like, why can't you
just talk about it right away? Who goes a fuck
about that year he's gone.
Speaker 3: I know it's weird because they get a chance to, like,
I don't know, re reorganize it or whatever.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, maybe they can take that time to come
to some other agreement with him, I don't know, and
not be worried the whole time that he's going to
go chirping about something he got screwed over on. It's like,
let us give us a year to make it right
before you're you're allowed to tell everybody about it.
Speaker 3: It's just weird. Uh Where was I there?
Speaker 7: Bottom of page ten. During the term wrestler shall oh yeah.
Speaker 3: During the term, wrestler shall exercise his best efforts to
ensure the continued confidentiality of all trade secrets and confidential
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whether in connection with his agreement or any other past
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w W G the extent necessary in the in the
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w's rights to or in any other trade secrets or
confidential information, and compete. Here we go. Non competition during
the term and within the territory of this agreement. Brother territory? Dude?
Is this company in what we're talking about? What do
we was before? Are we talking to Georgia territory? This agreement?
I mean it's Atlanta, brother, But are we what do
we m whose territory?
Speaker 8: I mean?
Speaker 3: More importantly, dude, Who's territory?
Speaker 7: More importantly, Yes, of course, more importantly.
Speaker 3: During a ternment within the territory disagreement, Wrestler shall perform
the services exclusively for WW, and shall not directly or
indirectly be employed by, performed services for, or engage or
be connected in any manner with any other businesses in
business entity without the express written consent of WCW.
Speaker 1: It's the Lapan Wrestling Podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows
the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's
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Speaker 3: J Wrestler expressly covenants and agrees that, for a period
of one hundred and twenty days after any termination or
expiration disagreement for any reason the non compete period, he
shall not provide those services specifically delegated in Sections one A,
one and two to any other individual, company or business
in the United States, Canada, and Japan. In addition, during
the non compete so we could do it in Europe,
that's right, fine, Yes, he could go to Mexico, no problem,
Very interesting. Yeah. In addition, during the non compete period,
Wrestler shall not appear or perform in any media, including,
but not permitted to broadcast, pay per viewing, cable television,
video replay, telephone, hotline, radio, magazine, internet, in any manner
or capacity relating to wrestling or any other related professional
entertainment or athletic event. For on behalf Top in sports.
Speaker 7: Well, that's any other related professional entertainment athletic event that's
to cover the WBF lex luger loophole.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, what if we make a movie we
want sit in it? And why did that?
Speaker 7: It's non compete, don compete. Pal just says he can
perform in our wrestling.
Speaker 3: Ring, because't you know that's what it is, a gang
bornant wrestling ring. But I wanted to be in a movie,
an entertainment vehicle, WBF the movie. We're not talking about
an entertainment We're talking about entertainment vehicle. Vehicle four. It's
a different matter.
Speaker 7: The formula one stuff.
Speaker 3: You mean, I believe there is no formula to the
best entertainment possible. How about there is a formula Formula one,
Formula two, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 7: How about WBF the movie. I mean, that's what.
Speaker 3: About World Bodybuilding Entertainment, the motion.
Speaker 7: Picture featuring Ye Stratum.
Speaker 3: Ye, what if we have Sid and Gary Stretham posed
down for entertainment purposes?
Speaker 7: That'd have been another coup, bringing Jack Tunny and bringing
Gary Stridum.
Speaker 3: Thank god it Do you imagine if fucking Gary stridem
fucking Nitro that would be wow, oh my god, fucking
oath such a dufus. I think Ton of Sports Incorporated
or HHD corporation's ECW in the United States, Canada and Japan,
or or for broadcasts they're in so they could do
it in Mexico.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I mean I guess that that's, uh, that's
a carve out so that they could still make some
money for one hundred and twenty days. It might be
hard to might be hard to actually exclude someone from
working anywhere for one hundred twenty days. I get the
sense that wings non completes, non competes do cover that
like anywhere in the world. But yeah, yeah, I don't know.
You think you'd have to limit that a little bit
to pass legal muscle.
Speaker 3: Now, like you like, you know, this is their job,
this is what they do to make money. You can't
really exactly, and you don't want them deny them. You
got rid of them, right exactly, So what are you
worried about.
Speaker 7: It's interesting that ECW and WWF are mentioned. I don't
think it was understood that. I know, WWE's contracts said
UFC for it was always like they said UFC wasn't competition.
Yet in their own contracts they would say you couldn't
fight in UFC, you can't fight legitimately, there's nothing to
hear about, mma. So Sid could have gone and fought
in the cage if we wanted.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, can you imagine how we would how
we were broken in half in like five seconds. Like
you think about how easily his legs shattered. Yeah, yeah,
they would imagine his fucking getting one punch by anybody.
Speaker 7: He wouldn't be able to face anybody again after that
because he never he told himself he was in great
shape and that he was actually a fighter.
Speaker 3: No, you know, you know, damn well he is. Just
his bones are just brittle, all right, you know that,
Like you know, you know when you break you know,
you break a twig, yes, and you know how hard
it is to break a twig when it's when it's
still like the the bark on the inside is still
is still green. No, no, no, this is like a
twig that's been on the ground for like two years,
completely dried out.
Speaker 7: Let's go, boss.
Speaker 3: That's that is the like I imagine, the color of
Sid's bones are just like they're just brown because they're
just ready to fucking fall apart. Wow, at any moment.
His his bone structure is a house of cards.
Speaker 7: Oh, speaking of a house of cards, look how long
they can extend the non compete period.
Speaker 3: Two Oh, here we go. Wrestler acknowledges that the non
compete shall be increased to six months in the event
this this agreement is terminated for good cause pursuing to
paragraph eight. D Wow.
Speaker 7: So if you do something to fuck up and they
can fire you for good cause as supposed to just
because they don't want you anymore for budget cuts, they
can ice you for six months.
Speaker 3: That's ridiculous. Yeah. See acknowledgment of reasonableness.
Speaker 7: That goes without saying. But I guess you got to
bury it in the contract somewhere.
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Service Overnight Overweight Overweight Overweight notices shall be deemed effective
on the earlier on the earlier of when hand delivered,
when deposited with a recognized national overnight courier service, or
when received by mail. So wait a minute, it's effective
on either when it's hand delivered or when deposited, or
when received by mail. So when is it? When? Is
it effective any number of times? I mean it's like
can be effective any time, and it also is never
effective right miscellaneous. A. This agreement and the document's reference
here and contain the entire agreement and understanding, and it
shall supersede all prior agreements or understandings concerning the subject
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provisions hereof shall be binding upon either party here too,
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under show affects such parties rights hereafter hereafter to enforce
such term or provision, or to exercise any right or
remedy any event of any other default, whether or not similar. B.
Speaker 7: What is this agreement of product of SHID what is
this agreement?
Speaker 3: Of product of This agreement is a product of arms
length negotiations between Wrestler and w c Wrestler expressly states
that he has had the opportunity to seek and obtain
consultation in connection with the Negotiation and Executions Agreement, and
how he fully understands the rights and obligations set forth
here in in the Construction and Interpretations Agreement. Now account
shall be taking of which party requested or drafted any
particular provision or provisions of this agreement, regardless of the
place of execution hereof this agreement. In all amendments here too,
shall be deemed who have been negotiated, made entered into,
and fully performed in the State of Georgia, without regard
to the actual location at which Wrestler provides services a WCW.
This agreement shall be governed by and construed exclusively in
accordance with the laws of the State of Georgia applicable
to contracts made, entered into, and performed entirety entirely therein,
without giving effect to its conflict of laws provisions. Wrestler
and w CW here by submit to the urisdiction of
the United States District Court from the Northern District of Georgia,
and if any Georgia State Court sitting in Atlanta, for
the purposes of all legal proceedings arising out of or
relating to disagree.
Speaker 7: So taking a long time to get sid to quote,
submit to the jurisdiction of the Old States for sure.
Speaker 3: And irrevocably waive, to the fullest extent permitted by law,
any objection which it may now or hereafter have to
the venue or of any such proceeding which is brought
in such a court. Additionally, the parties here to you
agree that the state of Georgia shall be the exclusive forum.
And I don't know what that says. Sidis sets site
cirrus sinus. This is a forum and bullshit for the
resolution of any and all disputes, controversies, or matters arising
here from and related here too. Wrestler's home base is
identified solely for travel purposes, and shall not affect the
choice of law, jurisdiction, or venue here under. The parties
further agree, notwithstanding the consideration provided for here here in
that because of the special, unique, and extraordinary nature of
the services here under and of the rights and licenses
which are the subject matter of this agreement. WCW shall
be entitled to injunctives an other equitable relief to prevent
any breach by the or default by wrestlers here under,
and such relief shall be without prejudice to any other
rights or remedies of WCW as may be provided by law.
WSW may here by a sign it's rights and delegate
its obligations under this agreement, And if such a signee
shall assume wsw's obligations in writing, WCW shall have no
further obligations to restless.
Speaker 7: And that would come into the place and they sell
the COB.
Speaker 3: I want to tell you right now, I want to
put it this way. Wrestler has no obligation whatsoever. You're
in here too in any other fashion to w CW.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Like the final sentence of sid's contract is, wrestler
has no obligation to follow the terms set out above.
Speaker 3: Like some fucking ass clown took the time to write
out this whole fucking thing, and at the very bottom
they add wrestlers in their obligation to follow any of
the rules above.
Speaker 7: Well, hey, you want to get SID signature on the contract.
That's what you got to put in there.
Speaker 3: There you go. Wrestler may not assign this agreement in
whole or in part without the prior written consent of
ww and any attempted assignment not in accordance here with
shall be no and void, and of no force or
effort or effect. Rather, this agreement shall be binding on
a wrestler and his successors, and permitted as sigence. What
does that mean? Successors? So we're gonna fucking take this
contract on if he what goes away?
Speaker 7: Yeah, because it says there that you know he can
assign this agreement. Uh, if he has written consent, so
he can almost say like here.
Speaker 3: I want to give this contract to Frank exactly exactly yes,
and you can follow Frank because he delivers being the
sausages to the to the to the cathedral.
Speaker 7: And so if that's where to happen. This clause make
sure that the rest of this contract applies to Frank
and equal amounts as does SID.
Speaker 3: Nothing here in shall be deemed to obligate WWUS services
of wrestler, and w CWS shall have fully discharged obligations
here under by paying the amount specified here in.
Speaker 7: Nothing herein shall be deemed to obligate WCW Man. I
don't know how we let that one through.
Speaker 3: I know seriously, with respect to ww's rights here under,
WW shall have the sole right and discretion to bring
any and all claims, including but not limited to infringement
or unfair competition claims. The headings contained herein are for
the convenience of the parties only, and shall not be
interpreted to limit or effect in any way the meaning
of the language containing this agreement. This agreement may be
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be deemed to be an original, but all of which
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no other provision of this agreement shall be affected as
a result thereof, And accordingly, the remaining provisions of this
agreement shall remain in full force an effect as though
such void, avoidable, invalid, or an operative provision had not
been contained here in.
Speaker 7: It's one that I don't know. I don't recall that
being in Hogan's contract, and that would been pretty important place.
I claim that you invalidate this part, the whole contract
goes out the window.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. Upon the request ww Wrestler agrees
to take any and all actions, including without limitation, the
execution of certificates, documents, or instruments, necessary or appropriate, to
give effect to the terms and conditions set forth in
this agreement. Notwithstanding any termination this agreement, all provisions which,
by their terms or reasonable interpretation thereof, sets forth obligations
that extend beyond the termination disagreement hereof, shall survive and
remain in full force and effect, in witness whereof the
parties here too have executed or caused their duly authorized
representatives to execute disagreement to be effective on this day
and year first written above Raster Sydney r U d WCW.
Speaker 8: WOW.
Speaker 7: So we have our exhibit, and I'll wrap the contract
of Jesus in WCW. I think the terms are well
laid out now, Boss, I think we have any guess,
Oh yeah, Jesus, the rules of engagement and the payment
on the line, and what's on the line for Sid,
particularly as it regards pay per view appearances. We have
a very clear idea of what's in it for Sid
making a PPV shot and what do you know? His
WCW return would in fact come on a pay per
view event, so he's cashing those checks early and often.
It's the Great American Bash nineteen ninety nine, one of
the worst pay per views in WCW history, Is it really?
Speaker 3: I've never seen it, yep.
Speaker 7: And it's in this context where Sid makes his return
World Championship Wrestley.
Speaker 18: Down here Savage Nash, Heavin Nash holding the ribs, pulls
down the singlet.
Speaker 4: He's going for the Jack Nag power bomb.
Speaker 16: But a lot of people out with Beth that's what
does that kicks the ribs again.
Speaker 7: To do so was one of a lot of gorgeous
George Savage's entourage, a lot with Molly Holly as well
as Miss Madness.
Speaker 16: George goes down.
Speaker 4: Savage and the doors around Miss Madness up top.
Speaker 3: Savin.
Speaker 16: There's a bit champ its gunner.
Speaker 13: Oh yeah, us with sneak guys on, miss man, he's
got somebody in the land.
Speaker 4: H my god, look who that is?
Speaker 10: Oh my god, what he's doing here?
Speaker 4: It said decius, you've gotta be kidding.
Speaker 16: Then there's one bad customer right there. Guys that there's.
Speaker 4: One bad, bad man, one bad bad.
Speaker 13: Man, maybe one of the baddest head of nowhere, said
Dishes walks in. You're talking about a man who's picks.
He's gonna try the power bomb, and then he's already entered.
Speaker 12: He came at and.
Speaker 16: They can't take that.
Speaker 7: Kevin Ash power bombed.
Speaker 3: Jesus.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 16: Oh he's one sick individual. This man is looking looking
at him. Oh, yes, he's he's psychonic. That's exactly what
he is. He's full blown nuts. And just maybe if
I could speckylate, do you think it was this is
the the wheel, honey, that's the good one.
Speaker 19: Though now it makes sense, it seems to, but sometimes
you get thrown lodging out the window.
Speaker 18: Is he the newest member of Team Savage as it
sure looks like it?
Speaker 20: For Version still waiting and defunding w fee wr own
herby wait taping of the world.
Speaker 16: Big fe fee.
Speaker 19: The last thing we expected. The most shot e turn
events tonight was Sid Vicious.
Speaker 13: The much of a man is the nut case that
is one of the most lethal men into wrestling, walks
back into WCW helping Randy.
Speaker 19: Savage, further hurting the rints of a man who's still
the world heavyweight Champion for Mike Today, Bobby's Green Unit
We've seen tomorrow night Trove.
Speaker 16: Have a good night from the Great American.
Speaker 7: Bash Well sids back.
Speaker 3: I remember that, you know, the only reason I remember
that pay per view I never saw it. I just
remember the it for some reason. I don't know why,
But during that during those summers in early college, and
I'd go on those those you know, ram pages of
video stores to copies as many old wrestling tapes as possible.
That one was always for sale. Bash ninety nine they
had so many copies, like the three or four copies
available at every fucking blockbuster of that show.
Speaker 8: So weird.
Speaker 7: It was weird. They got their home video game up
way late too, you know, in their peak, like during anwopeak. Yeah,
it wasn't easy to find ww pay per views on vhs.
They had like these old ones. You know, it's Spring
Stampede ninety four.
Speaker 3: Forever.
Speaker 7: We've talked about this over the years on the show,
like best of Sting and like these random VHS releases,
but as far as like predictably being able to get
every monthly WW pay per view on cassette, it wasn't
easy to find in the video stores. Some rentals stores
had him, but I remember this this time period, like
you could buy him at Suncoast, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Right exactly?
Speaker 7: And so uh too little, too late. It's pretty remarkable.
You think of the fingerpoke of Doom kicking off nineteen
ninety nine and Kevin Nash kind of gifting the world
title to Hulk Cogan and the nWo reforming in the
Georgia Dome, and just like you know, five months later,
Nash's world champion and Hogan's gone. The nwo's dissipated ww'
has been totally redesigned. Randy Savage looks like a fucking maniac.
Speaker 3: Oh you I mean, just a complete psychopaths.
Speaker 7: I mean Nash versus Savage in a pay per view
main event. Did you hear the reference there on commentary?
Perhaps he was the one behind the wheel, did you hear.
Speaker 3: That, Yeah, don't.
Speaker 7: That's a reference to No. Have you ever heard about
the famous white Hummer angle Austin pretty much the famous
white Hummer angle WCW did.
Speaker 3: No, I don't know that one.
Speaker 7: There's just some incident before this pay per view on
Nitro where Nash gets into his car and a white
hum v comes flying into the frame and smashes into
the car, and they played it up like there was
going to be some grand mystery of who was driving
the white Hummer.
Speaker 3: It's one of the great.
Speaker 7: Loose ends in WCW, one of the great loose ends
in the Monday Night Wars as far as the storyline
is concerned. Yeah, And they never paid it off. They
never got around to saying who was going to be.
Bischoff Is subsequently said in his podcast that they never
intended it to be like a murder mystery kind of thing,
that they just needed some reason for Kevin Nash to
come into the pay per view hurt, or for some
reason they needed Nash hurt, so they came up with
this thing where you know, you were supposed to infer
that Randy Savage hired somebody to do this to Kevin Nash.
But who the person was wasn't really supposed to be
of interest to the audience. But of course this is
pro wrestling, and so the who done it is one
of the more irresistible storylines for the fight they on.
So they made it a thing without wsw realizing or
having the foresight to realize it was going to become
a thing, and having a plan to deliver on a
mystery that actually maybe caught the attention of fans for once.
On like most of what they used to do, they
had no plan, So it's almost like they were a
jury rigging an explanation here in debuting sid on the
pay per view. Yeah, I'll say, because you heard Chavanni
kind of prevaricate and be like, well, you know, you
might have to throw logic out the window. But it
stands to reason that syd was behind the wheel now
that we see him on the scene here. But he
was sure to say that this is no confirmation of such,
because of course they had no plan on delivering on
the mystery of who it was. But perhaps we're feeling
the pressure of not having an answer to that question
and the fin interest in it, and maybe thought that
that would suffice so kind of an illustrative illusion there
made by Tony Shavanni to one of the many botched
and goofy things going on at World Championship Wrestling at
the time. But there he is, and he power bombs
Nash one hundred percent. Man, he gets them up better
than he ever did in the WWF ring.
Speaker 3: I can tell you that it's funny how they couldn't
do that when it fucking mattered at pay per view
that time, right, I know, But the idiot are going to.
Speaker 7: Get another try at it. And as Tony Shivani said
at the wrap of the pay per view, we'll see
you the next night on Nitro to sort it all out.
And indeed we did, as sit in Nash come face
to face all these years later.
Speaker 21: When I didn't come out here tonight to talk to
macho man, I came out here tonight to talk to you, Sid.
Speaker 16: I don't know where the hell you've been, and I
don't really care.
Speaker 22: I know you're in the building, and I watch you
tonight for this strap and this root now straps really yes, we.
Speaker 16: Know he's heir toe and he says, tonight, I wanted.
Speaker 22: To be coming behind give me a kick in the
face and power Bob, Well, big boy, bring it tonight
because I'm here to kick your.
Speaker 16: Asss I think mister Nash is ted serious.
Speaker 22: So Sid even with these sweet sandals on, come on
down because I'm ready to give you a good old
beating boy.
Speaker 7: Okay, say it again.
Speaker 4: See Nash, I know you're real well.
Speaker 16: I do exactly what button to brush. He looks as
if last night I pushed the right.
Speaker 20: Button, my friend, because you have now made the biggest
mistake of your life.
Speaker 2: Mistake of your life. You didn't invite the devil down
to death.
Speaker 16: Tonight, I will take this in the taste you, my friend.
Speaker 3: To come down and think.
Speaker 4: What is mine?
Speaker 16: And I will start with you tonight and I want
to hit with you and so Dash, can you take
it all away?
Speaker 7: Can you take it all the way?
Speaker 16: You've been off way more than you can Chew.
Speaker 22: I'll see you here tonight, and I'll tell you one
thing big sexy is walking out with the gold.
Speaker 4: That's it tonight. You've got it. It is really odd.
Speaker 18: The world Heavy White Title up programs two of the
biggest toughest men in this sport.
Speaker 7: And this being WCW. In nineteen ninety nine, they came
out later in the episode, brawled a bit, Sting got involved,
clotheslined him over the top of jeans. Sid that is,
and it becomes very clear that the WCW had no
intention whatsoever of delivering Nash versus Sid on this night.
Speaker 8: Row.
Speaker 3: More importantly to you, though, What'spishoff doing on comment.
Speaker 7: Tear while trying to salvage WCW. This is that really
short period of time where he was still kind of
pop poking his head out before Russo came in.
Speaker 3: I didn't really know that he was doing that. I
didn't know. I mean, listen, I heard him on the
fucking I'm a VHS with Hogan on commentary and like,
what the fuck is going on here?
Speaker 7: Yeah? He comes back in ninety nine with the white hair,
and he does a couple of angles and he tries
a couple of things to get Nitro going again. He
rejoins the Announced team, perhaps to bring back some of
that spark when he was on the Announced team during
the you know ww's insurgent days.
Speaker 3: Yes, how can he do that? How does he rationalize
that after nWo? Yeah?
Speaker 7: No, he just comes out. He comes out at Springstampede
and April after nWo reforms and it has like crosswords
with Hull Cogan, and it's supposed to indicate that there's
been some tension behind the scenes between the two and
that their old alliance has now been fractured. That he's
kind of like, okay, that he wasn't really clued into
the reformation of the nWo.
Speaker 3: He wasn't in on that.
Speaker 7: I mean they did, they didn't specify too much. He
just showed up and hardly said anything because they wanted
to transition back into him just being an announcer as
opposed to a character, a storyline character and.
Speaker 3: Just eat and then all just seems lame.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And come September, he's getting sent home by by
Bill Bush, who brings in well by Harvey Schiller, and
then Bill Bush brings in Vince Russo, and then eventually
it brings Bischoff back. In April, Brad Siegel does Brad
Siegel also involved. I think Brad Siegel took over from
Harvey Schiller and then Brad Siegel sent Bischoff home. I
think it's how it went in September of nineteen ninety nine.
So this is really the last vestiges, the last fumes
of Bischoff and that initial WCW run. But yeah, I mean,
just so Nitro to do a promo like that at
the top of the show, to have Britt Bischoff expressly
say that National said, you know, there's buzz about Sid
coming into WCWS. I talked about the Nation said we're
going to wrestle that night a Nitro for the title.
And they get in the ring and just have a
brawl and Sting comes and there's the doesn't even ring.
There really even is no match.
Speaker 3: I mean you know that. I mean, why are you
surprised they did that so often? Right, and they could
at least afford it. You should not even I mean
especially you should not even have I have thought there
was going to be a match. You should have presumed
it was going to be a Schmaus.
Speaker 7: Yes, right, And looking more closely at the dates, the
Great American Bash where we just heard Sid return was
June seventh of nineteen ninety nine, and the contract we
just read into the record this June ninth, nineteen ninety nine,
so he's not under a valid contract at the time
he appeared. Wow, I'm sure that was a retroactive payday
for him.
Speaker 3: So if we're uh fifty fifty grand.
Speaker 7: If we're ready, we've hit the point and our journey
to turn to the millennium Man WCWVHS release Boss. Let's
fucking fire up that Superstar series. Consider this one of
the deep dives in our SID tribune, alongside the February seventeenth,
nineteen ninety seven Monday Night Raw. This really gets us
acquainted with sid's essence during this WCW run, and we
open on these marble column things with some footage.
Speaker 3: Well, hold on, first of all, this is this is
I want to just say, I want to preface. I
had no idea what to expect with this fucking thing,
and I don't like. We got so many company logos.
I was blown away by it. There's the Warner Brothers
home video logo, which I expected, Then there's w CW
the Spaceship logo, and then there was the Mandalay Pictures
one which I was not expecting at all, which is
the Tiger uh running in the jungle.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's hard to see in a wrestling tape.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm trying to think of who who
owns them and why they would have man lay Peter
Gouber of all fucking people. Lions Gate owned by Sony.
Speaker 7: Is it Turner Home Entertainment at the time, No, because
Peter Gouber was something mighty Bischoff would hunh, Peter Grueber, Goober,
is that what it is? Yeah, Peter Goober and someone
Bishoff would bring up after w CW folded as someone
that was potentially interested in financing a purchase.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I'm sure he was not under man Peter
Peter Guber. We talked about Peter Geoberg quite a bit
on cinemat He's one of the people who you know,
destroyed almost destroyed Sony. But yeah, all this stuff with
was Sony. I don't know what the relationship is and
why unless they were just unless he convinced them, unless
Bischoff was like friends with them and convinced them that
to to to produce or put their name on the
must have distributed the like that. But it was just
a weird That was a weird one for me.
Speaker 7: Andala Entertainment is that what it is?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, Mandally entertainment. It's looking for any that's yeah,
that's Peter Gouber and that's not Again, they have no
affiliation with anybody. I mean, what was did did hold on?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 3: Because TVs, there's definitely TBS. Did they had MGM that
wasn't necessarily Sony. Yeah, it's a weird connection. Like I'm
trying to think of something that would Yeah. Yeah, there's
no connection there that, I mean, no superficial connection anyway.
Speaker 7: I think Mandally was involved in the distribution of w
CW home videos, perhaps after.
Speaker 3: Turner Home Entertainment.
Speaker 7: To some degree. Someone tells me that they were involved
in home video distribution for w STEP.
Speaker 3: Well, they certainly were. Obviously we're definitely seeing that. So
there's a connection, but it's it's it's a weird It's
what's weird to me is that it's coming from an
organization that's got nothing to do with the home base.
Speaker 7: With the home base. Yeah, maybe they I don't know,
maybe WW dial Turner Home Entertainment dialed back its VHS
distribution function a bit and outsourced it.
Speaker 3: Well, still being they're being distributed by Warner Brothers too,
which is the thing I whish they've done before. I've
seen that before. I know, Time Warner and all that shit,
it all, you know, that all comes into play. But
like Mentally, is like on the other fucking side of
town interesting in this regards. That's what's weird to me
about it.
Speaker 7: I see if I can find anything, because, yeah, Peter
Guber was somebody that before the Fusian Media Ventures Group
came along as an owner, as a potential buyer WCW
and had the purchase in sale agreement. Peter Guber and
Mentally Entertainment were talked about as potentially being interested in WW.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I just don't believe that for one second.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that was that was out there. It wasn't really ever,
it wasn't ever really like an exceptionally sourced rumor, but
there were some press trade reports. I think it was
even as soon as, like god, I want to say
the spring of two thousand, even or the summer of
two thousand. It was like way before the other buyers
came through. Is as confirmed. So it's Mandalay Entertainment, right,
you said, Yeah, So what I'm gonna try to do
is see if I can find reference to them.
Speaker 3: I just can't see Peter Guber. I mean, I know
wrestling was a hot thing and it doesn't really matter
what you like you're into, but like, I just can't
see Peter Guber being someone who was like, yeah, you know,
and I want to fucking buy a wrestling company.
Speaker 7: They were gonna, yeah, They're gonna do it in Vegas. Yeah,
all right, let's see television Week July thirtieth, two thousand.
Let's see describe our productions were rageous. Okay, Yeah. Working
with them on the project is Jason Hervey, who is
now a principal partner in the Sports Entertainment division of
Mandally Entertainment.
Speaker 3: Ah, there we go, all right, the old That explains
a lot, because I know I definitely saw Hervey's name
and the end credits of this one.
Speaker 7: Yep, yep, the old pal And here's another reference in
electronic metis.
Speaker 3: Now that all makes sense. Okay, So now I can
believe that Peter Guber could be convinced by Jason Hervey
to buy WCW. Just like but like Eric Bischoff talking
to Gouber, I'm just like, I can't think of that.
I'm going there as being it, like I don't buy it.
But now with Hervey being being involved, that makes sense,
got it?
Speaker 7: Okay, we found our missing link.
Speaker 3: There we go.
Speaker 7: Yeah, here's an article about Peter Guber from Variety, August
twenty third, nineteen ninety nine. It's all about Goober and
mentally entertainment and deep down in the story, it says,
as Gouber discusses plans for a new sporting facility in dayton,
a literacy program and a new Prince entertainment relationship with
World Championship Wrestling, it grows exhausting just trying to take
it all.
Speaker 3: In literacy program.
Speaker 7: Well, ww no, that was like part of a list
of things. There's a sporting faciale.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm just joking.
Speaker 7: Yes, I could take your shock there. So yes. They
open on these marble column things with some footage it
says ww Superstar series and it's kind of like a
nineteen ninety nine classic death Metal voice showing Sid power
bombing everyone, and it just says nineteen ninety nine in
the corner for some reason, and then two thousand the
millennium man. Yeah, so Sid, Sid has some sit down
things to say.
Speaker 3: He said, yeah, I got, I got, I got all
these for you.
Speaker 7: Let's hear from the psychotic one.
Speaker 3: This is the this first one.
Speaker 8: I haven't in.
Speaker 3: Three different clips, this first kind of opening bit. But
this is how he opens his fucking video.
Speaker 12: To be successful in this business, you have to be
able to polish and perfect all fasts, coming from all directions.
It either be her, the way you look, where you
present yourself, where you do your interviews, the where you
project yourself to the crowd. These things all equal one word.
It's called credibility. You have credibility. You can't hide it.
Promoters can't hide it. The resty fans too smart. They
see that. And that's what makes or breaks talent and
our business. When you talk about said Vicious all his
facets or finally polished, don't.
Speaker 3: You won't be hearing you.
Speaker 8: Won't be here?
Speaker 7: That would be true.
Speaker 8: Then he's the la fan.
Speaker 1: Wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the boys need
their candy. It's the lapsed fan. He's the Lapsed Fan
Wrestling podcast with Jack and Carneo and Jpi Soro.
Speaker 3: I want to say so. He says, Goldberg won't be
here anymore, Hogan won't be here anymore, Sting won't be
here anymore. Only I will be here anymore.
Speaker 7: Get away with words, didn't he He really did like it?
That's true. In two thousand and all three would be
gone and he would be there.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's true, it's just the way, you know,
it's just his his his language is just oh a treasure.
Speaker 7: Oh, his word choice has always been the fucking greatest
thing in the world. And this WCW run is no exception,
as we'll get to. But that clip from the August
twenty third, ninety nine Nitro, and then they cut to
an interview not your good guy, Sid.
Speaker 23: Yeah, here here is a here we go. Here's more
Sid a coward person who despises every gutty good guy
in this world.
Speaker 8: Sid.
Speaker 12: Yeah, it really has no filling before the things he does,
other than maybe the feeling of joy when so maybe
I step on someone's face or break your arm, you
can enjoy something like that.
Speaker 8: Sit.
Speaker 16: The thing is in a lot of pain.
Speaker 12: The guy you definitely wouldn't want to make meet in
some dark alley. The guy really enjoys.
Speaker 8: His opponent now globling, begging.
Speaker 7: Sid, He's just a word, isn't he?
Speaker 8: He really is?
Speaker 7: Is attacking him and Rick Stan attacking Goldberg with a
shovel in the back.
Speaker 3: Yep, oh I know.
Speaker 7: Show Charles Robinson, who was like the official designated sign
holder to list of the Streak behind Sid when he'd
come out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how did that relationship suddenly?
Speaker 7: You know, he was almost bullied into doing it. It
wasn't like Robinson had like a speaking or managerial role.
He was just like forced to walk around with Sid
and just tosses. They just toss Goldberg on his head.
I couldn't remember this backstage for some reason, he like
flips over the dock they were supposed to throw him
onto and he lands right in his fucking head on
the cement as Goldberg. And they also show him what
do they show him doing? They show him carrying someone
over his shoulder and driving away in a hummer and
some alley, all kinds of crazy shit. And they show
him chokes laming Hogan in the Red and Yellow as
we get that WrestleMania eight flashback, and he says, to
sum it up as short as possible.
Speaker 3: Sid, Oh here I got the sum up for you.
Speaker 8: To sum it up short as possible? Sid enough said,
sick enough, sad?
Speaker 3: How about Sid enough? Sid?
Speaker 8: Wow?
Speaker 7: Oh shit? Sid apparently not enough said. As it regards
to the TLF tribute, yes, or to say so, they
took about the seventy five millennium Man and Sid says,
ww's my home where I started, and he takes us
through a bit of a history lesson boss.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah he uh.
Speaker 8: He.
Speaker 3: He calls this return his big achievement, and then they
show the American Bash thing and whatnot, and then and
then I get the next thing I got is savage
savage cutting my promo.
Speaker 7: Well hit it a sec. But he talks about how
this place is the place for me to finish my career,
which of course would be totally true, though not necessarily
the way he would choose. And he said, being back
in front of ww fans is like being back home
where I started and got my first big break. To
come back here where I've been best treated, is exciting.
We've talked in the past about how those dollars and
cents on that contract definitely left said to feel like
this was the best place he ever worked. After keeping
praise on WWF for putting asses in seats, now he's
quite content to play the half empty buildings. Oh of course,
who wouldn't be the reasons we just delineated in black
and white. And so, as you said, let's go to
the June fourteenth, nineteen ninety nine episode of Monday nightro
as featured on the Superstar series video cassette, and Randy
Savage is in white fur. I regret to inform you.
Speaker 3: And again this is he just he doesn't sound completely
like Again, he doesn't sound to me like Brandy Savage.
I mean he does a little bit, but not all
the way.
Speaker 24: But I need to give heat to every person in
this arena, all over the world.
Speaker 2: I'll wake up call right now. Let's from now.
Speaker 8: From big Suxy Kevinness.
Speaker 4: I got one.
Speaker 2: Word for you, come on to me.
Speaker 3: That's two words, actually, man, it actually is.
Speaker 7: You're right about that. It's uh, I didn't think about that,
but unbelievably vicious.
Speaker 3: So he just you know again, he just he just
he sounds so nasal.
Speaker 7: You got a leather cagong backwards, gassed, ghasted.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean he's got no, he's got no
room all right, gorgeous Georgia's so much gas, has no
room to breathe.
Speaker 7: And then the Nash promo, even with these sweet sandals
on what we just heard, basically yeah, and Sid pops
up on the screen and then he's in studio again
here on the VHS and has more to say.
Speaker 3: Yeah here, Yeah, he talks about having heat with Nash,
which is hilarious.
Speaker 12: People say, you come to the Great American Bash said,
he comes straight onto Kevin Nash, looks like you guys
have heat. Whatever rumors, blah blah blah. Actually meet Kevin Nash,
have a lot of things into common. We're both big,
we both have the same powerful finishing move. We have
parallels like that in your life, with parallels with someone
who's got the same parallels. I think people take for
granted that maybe there's an animosity there.
Speaker 8: Whatever.
Speaker 12: I have no animosity towards Ing, no have any great
feelings towarding He's just another person, just another person.
Speaker 7: Okay, he's just another person. Great stuff here from Sid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, most people are just other people. That's kind of
the way the world is.
Speaker 7: At a Batch of the Beach in nineteen ninety nine,
one of the dirt worst pay per views and professional
wrestling history, in my opinion, In the main event, anyone
who pins Kevin Nash can be the champion. Okay, so
that means Sid or any Savage the title must change
hands for some reason.
Speaker 3: And what if I wanted to pin, can I win
the title?
Speaker 7: Unbelievable men who cared a little about world title belts.
Michael Buffer says on the introductions, So where do I
sign up?
Speaker 8: What?
Speaker 7: Where do I sign up?
Speaker 3: That's what he says.
Speaker 7: Yes, Yes, the viciously dangerous point man of Team Savage.
So it's stinging Kevin Nash versus Randy Savage and sid
in the main event of Bachelor of the Beach nineteen
ninety nine, Gorgeous George. If you noticed Boss the blonde
bombshell and Randy Savage's corner in his real life girlfriend,
she has a black eye, doesn't she?
Speaker 3: Who was that a legit one?
Speaker 7: They played around with a storyline where Savage was beaten
Gorgeous George because you know, soap opera ratings heel, and
they basically shied away from it immediately after some pushback
and outcry. So they made reference to it here in
the pay per view and kind of made it seem
like Gorgeous George was siding with Kevin Nash to rebel
against the abuse of Randy Savage, only too in the
end turn on Nash and help Savage anyway, But they
never really made reference again that. There was some crazy
scene one time in a nitro where Savage flew off
the handle. It was supposed to be, you know, portraying
this abusive towards women mental case, and he actually got
so carried away in the moment that he slapped Tory
Wilson in the face.
Speaker 3: Are you serious?
Speaker 7: Nitro? But he didn't his slap her hard enough to
be a real problem. And she famously laughed on a
live Nitro after Randy Savage last, Wow, she couldn't keep
a straight face at the absurdity.
Speaker 3: Of how he's such a fucking goof.
Speaker 7: He's such a bit, such good stuff back then. So Hannibal,
who did several interviews would sit over the years, talked
to him about teaming with Randy Savage in this run,
and he says it was pretty cool, but you know,
Savage maybe was living his character too much at the time.
He says, he'll never forget one time they'd been up
all night at a Nitro doing vignettes, shooting vignettes where
Randy was getting gorgeous George back from Kevin Nash. Sid
recalls it going to like four or five in the
morning this shoot, and so he's going from the shooting
on site to his rental car after it's all over,
about six in the morning, planning to just go to
the airport and get home. So Randy said, hey, baby,
come over here. She goes, Randy, don't start with that wow,
and he comes back, Oh, what is it you want?
Kevin Nash? You really love Kevin Nash Big six And
the way Sid says it, Sid's like, oh, come on,
not at five in the morning. I don't want to
hear a fake love call. Basically, you know, I don't
need to see Randy Savage being the television character at
five in the morning in the parking lot. After an
hours and hours long vinetche you said, say it.
Speaker 3: There's no line. Say it, pal, there's no line, Savage
is That's all I'll say.
Speaker 7: You got the front row seat during this run. Sid said,
you know, but Randy, I.
Speaker 3: Think you like giving Nash right?
Speaker 7: Is that what it is on TV?
Speaker 3: Randy, George, I'm telling you right now exactly what's going on,
because here I am trying to get a fucking boner again.
I'm getting rock hard. You're telling me, you know what
I'm gonna go for given Nash, and I don't wandering
exactly what I've done to say, Hey, you know what
I'm in do you fucking give a Nash, where have
I gotten the idea?
Speaker 7: Definitely what I've done, but oh way to phrase it?
And and and Sid says, you know, but Randy, I
think at that point was living Randy Savage too much.
So the very psychotic, very lethal Sid Vicious is n
w W. And they show them going to work on Nash,
reference made to their history, a ton of stuff just
working with Savage, Nash and Sid clashing on on on
this VHS. Here Nash even sidewalk slam Sid. At one
point they show Sid, uh, I gotta I.
Speaker 3: Got a quote from early in the match here. I mean,
these fucking matches are so disgusting in how they they
edit them, because like these are they're they're they're worse
than w W E Colisseum video chopped up matches. You know,
like you get five seconds before they dissolve into the
next segment. It just keeps going and going and going
on you the matches are like three seconds ridiculous. But
here this is uh, this is a tony counting savages ladies.
And Heenan thinks, well you'll hear what Heenan thinks.
Speaker 16: Savage has two beautiful women with him.
Speaker 14: But saying miss Madness, the one gorgeous know it and
they want to know you, Gorgeous George.
Speaker 3: That's three, I I said, who John Youth.
Speaker 12: Is a dog?
Speaker 3: I said, two beautiful and one of George all on
my side. One a dog? No, I was not.
Speaker 2: Didn't you stop that?
Speaker 7: Stop it.
Speaker 8: Down?
Speaker 7: Boy Inan and Tony with the stick?
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, because you need something to be entertaining on
these fucking shows.
Speaker 7: Can confirm Sid is still clapping before he throws a
ducked lariat here in World Championship Wrestling.
Speaker 3: Well, hey, it's a signal. You know he's gonna let
them know what's going to happen the show.
Speaker 7: Gorgeous George hitting Nash and the balls here at the
bachel of the Beach nineteen ninety. No response whatsoever, by
the way to that double cross from Gorgeous George as
Sid body slams Kevin Nash and then Randy Savage drops
an elbow on him from the top rope and pins
him one, two, three, and by virtue of the rules,
Kevin Nash loses the WCW title to Randy Savage in
a fucking tag team match that is so lame, so
incredibly lame. Just I can only imagine the distortions and
the mental gymnastics that Kevin Nash went through to land on.
I can't lose the belt one on one. I have
to lose it in a tag team match.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm surprised he got pinned. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 7: I mean, if you're gonna do it, do it, Like,
why does it have to be this funky tag team
environment just so it doesn't really count?
Speaker 3: That's why, like I would have let it be seriously,
like you should have had Sting take the fall. Yeah,
you know, if you're not going to do like, why
did you do the fall to begin with? Why did
you take the pin? Yeah? It just makes no sense,
no sense, you know, I think good.
Speaker 7: I'm not sure. I don't think the stipulations were and
I'm not suggesting you were saying this, but I'm thinking
about it. I don't think if either man pinn Sting
they would win the belt. They had to pin Naw.
Speaker 3: Oh I see, yeah, well I was saying that, but
I think that that should have been ruled then for sure.
Speaker 7: Yeah, because the first they did they could have easily
done with a run in exactly.
Speaker 3: The same right, exactly I did want to stay here.
There's a funny bit. So in these clips, Sid's working
on staying and then Nash comes into help out and
Shavanni makes a very funny comment about Nash that kind
of goes in. It plays very well with how we
think of Kevin Nash.
Speaker 19: Kevin Ash's first any offense as he raked the back
of the head at that time.
Speaker 3: He hadn't been in mat the entire fucking time. When
he comes in and Schevanni fucking comments on it, I
was like, it was great. Back to the studio, Oh,
here we go get him talking about being a part
of Team Madness.
Speaker 12: Being part of Team Madness was an experience. It's a
thing about it. The enjoyment for me was the Randy Savage,
someone who, in a weird way, is a lot like
said Vicious, real intense, a professional at all aspects from
his attire to his interviews in the ring, everything, his entourage,
stuff like that. But that's where it stopped. I'm not
part of an entourage. There it is, and I don't
want an entourage, and I don't need an entourage.
Speaker 7: What an ter odd No, Jeremy Pivit and shit, no
that I understand an nter Odge untero Odge. So yeah,
it's not gonna last long. I love this half shoot,
half work sid here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very it's very odd.
Speaker 7: The July seventeenth, ninety nine Nitro, it's you, mister Hogan.
You have something that belongs to me. So after breaking
off from team Savage said, Vicious is now engaging in
a one on one feud, picking up with the left
off in nineteen ninety two with the Hulkster starts saying
master Ruler of the world, Hollywood baby, and.
Speaker 3: Another thing too, Like you also realize that in the
midst of this of like the events that are that
are highlighted in this in this video, that Hogan also
turns back to the red and yellow. Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they capture a lot of the absurdity of nineteen
ninety nine, if just by mistake or happenstance on this tape.
Speaker 3: It's just crazy how much happens in so little.
Speaker 7: They keep trying, they keep resetting that because nothing's working,
so they're just reshuffling the deck every two to three weeks.
On Nitro, it feels like I remember, like Hogan came back,
he beat Savage for the championship in April of ninety
nine did a pretty good rating for the world title.
It's like, Okay, now Hogan's back on top. Great and
then he just just and then it just doesn't go anywhere,
It doesn't continue to draw, and then he's losing the belt.
He cycles out, and then he cycles back in and
wrestles Sid and then he comes back and wrestles Sid
is red and yellow, And it's just like this constant
series of Hogan and Nash really and Hogan and Bischoff
trying to figure out a new way to spark is
basically a preview of what they did in TNA.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 7: It's the Hogan Bischoff's team trying to get the band
back together or trying to, you know, see.
Speaker 3: If they can try to do as much as they
can to make Hogan be the guy to bring WW
back to glory.
Speaker 7: Exactly correct, precisely, so you got all.
Speaker 3: That's the funny part. It's like, it's not about bring
WW back to glory. He's about having Hulk Hogan bring
WCW back to glory.
Speaker 7: Always said there's no such thing as WCW being successful
unless Hulk Hogan is successful. Right, Unless Hulk Hogan as
the main eventor is what's working in WCW. Nothing is
working in WSW because you know, nothing counts until the Hulkster,
with his contract and leverage and all the rest and
his iron grip on Bischoff is in play. When Holgan's
in play, then everyone's trying because this is our only shot.
If somebody else is on top, it's very temporary until
the Holster comes back. So here he is with his
white gloves versus sit on Nitro. Hogan close lines him
several times. Sid won't go down. He scoops in Hogan's
need gives on a two count. They referenced how doctor
James Andrews had just performed the surgery on the Hulkster.
Speaker 3: They did, they did talk about that fucking Scott Hudson
talking about that shit.
Speaker 7: And here's a little bit of a context from from
Dave Meltzer. At the time, with the main booking power
and television formatting in the hands of Hult, Cogan and
Eric Bischoff, Kevin Nationally having a minor role. Nitro on
July nineteenth presented an Angle Aiden show with two Marque
main events and introducing a slew of new characters. New
announcer and celebrity cameo appearances in front of an incredibly
rabid crowd in Rockford, Illinois. While it was generally considered
the best Nitro in a long time, the ratings told
a different story a rather ordinary episode of WWF Sports Entertainment.
As the show is now categorized Joy six point two
eight rating, six point oh five first hour, six point
five to five second hour, and a whopping ten share.
Nitro compared to the six point two to eight. Boss
did a three point three to three Wow two point
five to seven first hour, three point one one, second hour,
three point three one third hour, and a five to
five share. That's that's excellent for Nitro at the time.
Over the head ted two hours and eight minutes, Ro's
six point two eight compared to Nitro's three point twenty
one or just shy of doubling the rating head to head,
Rod doubled Nitro in four of the eight quarters head
to head, including devastating Nitro in the Battle of main
Events overrun. The disappointment for Nitro had to be the
performance of the two marquee matches, the Hogan versus Vicious
title match. Remember Sid's a draw. Remember this course, the
Hogan Versu Visius title match to a two point nine
one final quarter, growing to a three point five to
one overrun with other run ins including Goldberg, But even
that is misleading high, misleadingly high, since it went longer
than raw ro's final quarter. X pac and Caine versus
Big Show and Hardcore Holly and the beginning of Undertaker
versus Triple h In comparison, Okay, Hogan versus Sid Boss
does a two point nine to one. What do you
think X POC and Caine versus Big Show and Holly
does none better be like four six point nine to six?
Are you fucking kidding me? With the Undertaker Triple Ah
match two just starting and the overrun with the finish
of that match in Austin running in built throughout the
show did a seven point seven zero rating. Geez, that's
a totally opposed making it the most watched wrestling match
with opposition wrestling programming in the history of cable television.
Yeah that huge, um Shane, uh Shane. The Greenwich Kids
what do they call mestree posse? Yeah, versus Briscoe and
Patterson in that May nineteen ninety nine Raw that did
that all time high quarter like, rivaled only by the
rock mankind. This is Your Life. That was on an
episode of Raw where Nitro was preempted, so they had
the night all of themselves, and that had a lot
to do with why that was.
Speaker 3: This one was a post what about what about this?
What about the Undertaker Austin match? I thought that one
did a fucking did a huge right dorating huge reading. Yep,
it was way up there, but it wasn't. It wasn't
as high as that. Briscol and Patterson won for some reason.
Nitro's other marque match, the Brick flairvor Sting match for
control of the company, was a huge disappointment, drawing just
a three point three to five rating for the first
opposed quarter as compared to the five point three to
three for the same Raw open as every week. Unlike
the previous week Flare Malank versus Malenka, where Flair maintained
the audience from the unpposed quarter, the Flair Sting match
had the usual turn off factor when rob began falling
from a four point zero seven unpposed rating ros numbers.
Remember that Nitro had an extra hour than Raw eight
to nine right and I think that was a lot
of it too, was that, like people watched Nitro for
the first hour when Raw wasn't on and almost always
tied out. They just it's kind of funny. I mean,
I guess you know you're trying to win and trying
to win, but you should put your best stuff in
that first hour, honestly, if you're tanking so hard.
Speaker 7: Really or at least do stuff in that first hour
that really hooks people for the rest of the show.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 7: Ros numbers throughout the evening were consistent until the big
pick up in the last twenty three minutes. Nitro's numbers
ranged from a low of two point seven three for
Rick Steiner versus Horse Hogan I repeat rick Steiner versus
hors Hogan Andandy Grover's Psychosis to a high of three
point sixty nine for the post match after Savage versus
Billy Kidman with a Dennis Rodman run and as Dennis
Rodman was to wrestle Randy Savage at Roade Wild nineteen
ninety nine in his final WCW appearance, and the melee
and the Conan versus Vanpiro match, So sounds like a
lot that would intrigue you boss to go ahead and
watch this nitro on Peacock after we're done.
Speaker 3: Yeah, can't wait, so, uh can't wait to you know,
I don't know, so I try to erase it off Peacock.
Speaker 7: I mean Sid hits a running boot to Hogan's face
in this match on nitro.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it doesn't hit the late drop.
Speaker 7: But he doesn't hit the leg drop because he goes
for it and Hogan moves out of the way.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 7: Hogan then boot Sid. Sid staggers around but doesn't fall.
Hogan slams Sid and then Kevin nashit's the ring and
attacks Hogan Sting makes the same Rick Steiner it gets involved,
and that's a nineteen ninety nine nitro for you right there.
I mean, what the fuck sit around thinking Hogan Sid
is going to be something cool and it's a running
back to the studio Sid. Why the fuck is Rick
Steiner involved?
Speaker 12: People have asked me about why I chose Rick Steiner
to stand beside me with some of the battle times
from the rough times as this.
Speaker 7: Excuse me, Yeah, I don't know what the fuck he's saying.
Speaker 12: Simple, he's a guy that you can trust. He's a
guy that You can not have to look over your shoulder.
Why you're into a situation, a physical situation, Hey us.
Speaker 8: The guy helping me. Do I have to take a
second to turn around Sadi's air? No, you don't have
to do that.
Speaker 3: You know he's there. Okay.
Speaker 7: The nineteen ninety nine push of Rick Steiner, it's just
irredeemably poor decision.
Speaker 3: That's just unacceptable.
Speaker 7: I mean, no one could possibly want to see him
on Nitro as a singles you know, pushed with the
top dogs. Like all he does is bring down a
star power in every segment they put him in. I
know Nash loves the Steiners and everything, and Bischoff certainly
had a soft spot for them, but man Man was
a stupid.
Speaker 3: Fucking Michigan boys.
Speaker 7: What pretty much?
Speaker 3: Yep, pretty much.
Speaker 7: They show Goldberg getting attacked backstage by Sid and Rick
Steiner's referenced earlier, with a shovel and throwing Goldberg on
his head. This is from the August second, nineteen ninety
nine Nitro. Then they lock him behind a door and
Sid's a stupid idiot and hit Sting with a shovel,
and then to Eric and Hogan on the car, all
so well, Hogan was champed. Ye, So Eric and Hogan
are on the commentary. Hogan says he loves how Sid
plans things. Maybe maybe they had a dinner. I don't know, brother,
but you're planning, Like, what is this? What do you
mean you guys plan things in this business? This is
basically Hogan and Bischoff, you know, on the commentary on TNA.
You know, just yeah, exactly, Sid and Rick. Here Goldberg
comes out to the old mega death crush him theme
that he started coming out to after he was in
Universal Soldier Too. I did not know that sting, Hogan
says wide open on commentary. So he was saying that
back in nineteen ninety nine, it is confirmed.
Speaker 3: He uh uh. Boff asked Hogan who out of the form,
Oh yeah, yeah. Bischoff asked Hogan who the most difficult
of the foremen in the ring were to Hogan, got
your opportunity. Golbo's gonna have his ass for now, but
he's basically got both men's gonna watch now.
Speaker 8: Stings in a lot of trouble. That's kind of a
low shot to brother. Just see said that was a
low blow out.
Speaker 3: Sorry, Holley, would you've been in the ring with all
of these men of the four, if you could call it,
which one of them gave you.
Speaker 12: The most difficult the most dangerous brother, the most dangerous
is Sid.
Speaker 3: Without a doubt. Wow, I'm sure, I'm sure. In many
ways it's true.
Speaker 7: He's about to face Sting. It roade wild back. Then
as a matter of fact, Sting gets free and hits
a bulldog Hulk Cokin's Sting doesn't need Goldberg said, Goozles
lifts and dumps Sting one two. Goldberg makes the same
Hulk Cogin says, you better wake up soon, or you'll
have to that's.
Speaker 3: To the referee here, I got that for you. They
were thinking as a team, they were, Goldberg busy, feel
something else.
Speaker 2: But if he's gaining his wound.
Speaker 8: If he's ready, I feel sorry for everybody gets his
hands on.
Speaker 16: As they react to sing.
Speaker 2: The Sting doesn't need Goldberg.
Speaker 3: Oh, he's only fire again.
Speaker 16: That's the one thing about saying is good.
Speaker 13: He's down, when you think he's out, he digs down
deep and he comes back on.
Speaker 4: The fire man.
Speaker 16: If he have his hands full, yeah, I say vicious.
Speaker 4: He's got his hands up.
Speaker 16: The same cover and Goldberg again to make the sake
the referee better wakes up sooner.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to make him move it and wake
him up.
Speaker 7: Brother. It just sounds so hollow.
Speaker 3: The two of them are just awful.
Speaker 7: It's so hollow. They'll trying to like come up with
enthusiasm for the same cast of characters.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like Hogan's Hogan is not a good
not good on commentary. He should never do it. I agree.
Speaker 7: They thumbs down Goldberg chant you heard said missus leg
drop scorpion deathlock applied by staying. Goldberg gets in battling
Rick Steiner.
Speaker 3: Oh, there's no way you're hitting a leg drop with
Hogan on commentary, right by a ring.
Speaker 7: Then he gets out, grabs a chair and starts tapping
people on the head and the fakest looking chair shots.
Speaker 3: It's pretty bad.
Speaker 7: It's pretty bad, DEQ. They hit the bell And that's
another great addition to Nitro. Even the fucking videotapes, which
are supposed to be best ofs, they can't put together
a home video release without it being ninety per DQ
finishes that leave people wondering if they'll ever come back
to a Nitro again.
Speaker 3: Yep, we go back to the studio. There we go.
Speaker 12: My opinion about the mystery Man, or so called franchise
of what.
Speaker 3: I don't know. What's he talking about? Mystery Man?
Speaker 7: I think he's talking about Goldberg. We're talking about sing
Sorry you start about the sting. Why because he wrestles
in it roadwild? No, I know, But why is he
the mystery Man? The mystery Man's road warrior animal. Well, yeah,
that's why he's a mystery man. At first, I was like,
I guess Goldberg had some mystery to him. But yeah,
he's I guess back from ninety seven ninety six. Rather
you know how he hung over in the rafters and
didn't say anything for a year, okay or maybe WCW.
Speaker 8: We know this a true thing about him. We know
he's a family man. You have his children.
Speaker 12: He those family values. He loves the shaking hands of
the wrestling fans. I despise those qualities.
Speaker 7: That's good. Self proclaimed millennium man, we're transitioning into that.
Tony says he has a claim on that because as
we head into the year two thousand, said has had
the best record, undefeated over the last month. He will
they say, he will erase the winning streak of Goldberg
like today, says I'll have to do some research on that.
They show bikes revving at road wild as Sid is
hammocked in the corner and Sting.
Speaker 3: By the way his music for w W one very
much a cover of his ninety two w w WWE.
Speaker 7: Theme absolutely and the theme that they in fact edited
out of Peacock.
Speaker 3: Don't ask me why, I know, like, why don't just
put in his ninety two theme that you do all.
Speaker 7: Right, which apparently even though it sounds exactly the same
as not a copyright infringement. I guess they really suck
the life out of Sid in this year such such as.
Speaker 3: There is I heard it's like some weird techno ship.
Speaker 7: Awful, truly the worst, really bad. So, yeah, he gets
hammocked in the corner and then Sting splashes him up
there and clothes lines him up and over to the floor.
This is again and storage of South Dakota with all
the motorcycles everywhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a stand for hamburgers and steak sandwiches.
Speaker 7: Say that againing missus a splash, there's a backbreaker to
the floor. He drops Sting on the rail. They do
a split screen back to the studio where CID.
Speaker 3: You can't oh yeah, but you can't even They're also
they're weird things like you know, these matches are very
completely incomprehensible, yes, all right, because they dissolved so often.
And then there's a moment there where Sting Sid drops
Sting on the guardrail right in front of a knuckleball Schwartz.
But they're like, what the fuck? I don't know he
was there, so they here's the here's the insert moment.
Speaker 12: Sting road wild was glood out so far might come
back in w c W because one will probably stand
out for a long time.
Speaker 8: A lot of people don't realize.
Speaker 12: What I achieved in that one win and one fittor
you overstend I said earlier. He truly is the franchise
of w c W. He stood all the tests here,
he went through good and bad times, things like that.
And what really bothers me is that no one really
did understand or know what I accomplished in that one
night because it happened so swift.
Speaker 3: Yeah I don't either. It beats things.
Speaker 7: Are you talking about.
Speaker 8: So suddenly that my power overshadowed the event.
Speaker 12: And it's really sad because the guy beat was when
I one of the steal one of the greatest competitors
are our sport.
Speaker 8: With my presence, Some things like that are overshadowed.
Speaker 3: Okay, what do you want? You pin Sting and you
beat Sting? We you know everyone saw it, but you
apparently no one noticed it because you're you.
Speaker 7: What are you talking about?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 7: I noticed?
Speaker 3: Still fucking sense whatsoever?
Speaker 7: I noticed it. I watched the show.
Speaker 3: What do you want?
Speaker 8: I know?
Speaker 3: I watched the I watched the fucking three minute clip
version in your fucking video cassette. Do you expect to
happen when you beat Sting? That didn't happen? People to
give a ship? No, I guess Dave Meltzer wasn't talking
about how fucking Sid beat Sting.
Speaker 7: He doesn't read this the sheets anyway. Is a nice
finish though, after Superblex, after which Sid just gets up
as if nothing touched him and stands in the corner
to take the splash. Sting goes up airborne for the
stinger splash in the corner and said goozles them out
of mid air and choke slams.
Speaker 3: Does He hits two stinger splashes and the third one
Sid catches him, choke slam, gets the pennant's a really
good finish.
Speaker 7: Just powers through. And I think I bet Sid kind
of saw that laid out that way and thought it
was such a strong win over a strong face in
Sting that it would be considered impactful and people would
want to see him headline. And he probably didn't get
the feedback loop he was expecting from from probably negotiating
a very decisive win hero for the Sting or probably
told himself this would be a big launch thing if
he could collect Stings scalp. But at the time Sting
was making everybody a nut, you know, really try anything
for him.
Speaker 3: A punching bag. Back then, I can't even think of
ninety nine Sting as being anything interesting. I really know.
Speaker 7: He had that absolutely fantastic match with DDP on Nitro.
I think it was April or May timeframe. It's one
of the best matches ever on Monday night. But that
was the thing. He would just go out there and
just perform and have good matches. But he didn't have
a structured push. He wasn't like the guy. He didn't
have a belt, he didn't have a lot of promo time.
He was just out there as a guy that people
cared about that could you know, carry a segment.
Speaker 3: I mean, doesn't he turn a heel on Hogan and
foll forget it?
Speaker 7: After that, that's all a joke, and it's all a joke.
And after getting this huge victory like it was nothing
at road Wild, Sid hits the floor right away and
just walks around one more in the record books.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's your own fault. Actually, then you know
you're not making a big deal out of it. You're
just fucking acting like nothing happened.
Speaker 7: After the studio, Sid's talking about what he loves doing.
Speaker 8: I love running in, beating up people, what.
Speaker 7: I love running in. Well, you're in the right company.
Speaker 12: Yeah, well two, those are the fun things. Those are
the things that set up mental intimidation factors. And people
like Cogan's mind Stein Goldberg List goes on Brett Hart.
They come out here that feel a comic cool. They
actect those things don't bother them. It didn't affect them.
Let me tell you something. The day that I walked
into the door at WCW, those names I just mentioned,
they felt the threat, the possibility.
Speaker 8: That they may fail.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, that they felt fail threat, the threat
the possibility that they may fail.
Speaker 7: Fail yeah, or fail, as he says, I understand that's
not a yes, they may fail. Well, much can be
said about World Championship press threat. How about the August
sixteenth nightro in ninety nine where Sid hits the ring
on hoovent Tude Guerrera versus Lash LaRue and kills fuckers
with power bombs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 7: And the name two thousand, the name said vicious will
be heard the loudest, he says. And in the year
two thousand, I will accumulate more wins than anyone in
the history of professional wrestling. As the crowd chanting asshole
on her board, Yeah, he says, the name Goldberg will
be obsolete. And you, mister Hogan, and you can chant
Hogan all night long, which they don't.
Speaker 3: I think I think I have part of this.
Speaker 16: Here, he das.
Speaker 4: No one knows what's happening, is.
Speaker 3: I don't, I don't, I don't thank you.
Speaker 20: In the years two thousand, the names in visus will
be worth the loudest.
Speaker 5: Do what you like.
Speaker 20: Two thousand oh to night for whims. Let anyone ever
has believe Professon rastling But they go, where will be out?
Time you missed the holden.
Speaker 16: I just to didn't hold a hold in?
Speaker 2: Hold good, oh nice.
Speaker 7: And they don't.
Speaker 4: Hold gun.
Speaker 20: You've got something that belongs to me, the world head
away belt.
Speaker 2: You see, you're not away Chap.
Speaker 16: They'll tell you to talk to me.
Speaker 2: This talking and I'm gonna do this oh nice, long.
Speaker 20: Holdan coming down the kidding me?
Speaker 2: What is Mick?
Speaker 4: The bottom line?
Speaker 3: So, I mean, basically, are you telling me that the
fans weren't booing in because they had heat on them?
They were just they it was kind of the bad heat.
Speaker 7: It's just so sad on second chant Hogan all night long,
and they don't.
Speaker 3: I just uh, you know, because I I mean I
heard the boo and seven it's like it's actually pretty intense.
But now it seems like you're telling me that it's
it's not actually good heat.
Speaker 7: That's great, that's sticky television. Later, Sid runs in on
Steve Rigel Canyon match and kills both of them, and
these all count as wins as we talked.
Speaker 3: About earlier, right, But that's that's pretty fucking.
Speaker 7: Its backstage attacking Silver King and Laparca throwing him onto
boxes and then he power bombs La Parka onto a
huge sack of you know, arena vending popcorn, and Tony
Shivani says, thank god the popcorn, thank God for the popcorn.
I shit, you know. He says that later on Ray
Mysterio sent orbit from the middle rope.
Speaker 3: And Loady seriously, he's his fucking destroying all these these
fucking Ham and Eggers.
Speaker 7: Have said Lawn Dark Ray like Nash did back in
the day, and Loady is all over this tape. He
gets it as well. Double chokes lamb for both Lodi
and Lenny. If you remember Lanny Lane and Lodi.
Speaker 3: I try not to. I know we we have seen
Lodi before. I'd rather just let that go away, just let.
Speaker 7: That's it the future creative control. Once Russeau got his
hands on My Life and Sid comes out, he says,
I'm the next w W heavyweight Champion in the world.
Tony says he's has fifty five wins with no blemishes.
Is the Red and Yellow Hogan is suddenly on our
screens with the w W Big Old World title belt
on his waist and a bandana. Slides into the ring
and gets stomped by Sid. As soon as he gets
in with Tony talked about the fansom.
Speaker 3: Now this is the WrestleMania rematch.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they start the same exact way, all.
Speaker 3: Right, like we're not you know, it's not the other one.
That's that's not a that wasn't it. That was Hollywood Hogan.
This is this is the real and you know what,
it goes the same way for the most part. Yeah,
it's kind of funny.
Speaker 7: Just think about how much time we spent kind of
you know, revisiting how they built up Sid Hogan at
WrestleMania and how they managed to make it feel so
big and all the promos and yeah, the intensity of
Sid's walk to the ring in the Hoosier Dome and
all of that stuff. I think about what they managed
to achieve there with these two and now look at this,
this is only seven years later.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you. That's the thing, you know, that's part
of the that's part of what is not talked about. Yes,
during the glory period of the Attitude era, people don't
talk about the fact that things you're they were so
desperate to one up each other that they didn't think
building to the next show. It was about building to
the next moment tonight very much, and and that.
Speaker 7: And seeing Hogan versait is nitro matches instead of paper
virdliners right, crazy.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's a complete waste. I just would never.
Speaker 7: Imagine, considering the place in my heart that this match
held from WRESTLEMANIAID, that I would be this indifferent to
it once they finally got around to rematching in the
same company here, I am Logan get stop as soon
as he gets in, and Tony talking about the fan
support being firmly on Hogan's side, which they, let me
tell you, they were rejoicing that for a split second there.
The WCW crowd went for the Hogan red and yellow
nostalgia act because they had it right. They had soured
on the Hollywood Hogan thing for sure. Hogan with a
black knee brace behind the red knee pad and yeah,
I noticed that too. Sid slams, Hogan drops the leg
this time drops it and then Hogan, yes, pops up right.
Speaker 3: But by the way, Shavani calls Sid the Man of
the Millennium. Is that better or worse than millennium man?
Speaker 7: I think that's worse.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so too. The Man of the Millennium
sounds so stupid.
Speaker 7: It really, it really does. But that was all I
want to talk about in nineteen ninety nine, as.
Speaker 3: You know, I know, I know, everyone's talking about fucking
y two K and that's probably why they rushed out
to get these vhs is out so fast, because who
knows that they were even gonna be able to use
the VHS equipment.
Speaker 7: Now everything would be on the fritz, you know. Hogan
pops up, hulking up and goes off with a hand
ends I can't believe my eyes if this is what
what we're going to right now.
Speaker 3: By the way, there's a there's a funny moment where
uh uh uh sid uh Sid tells Hogan he's got
a brain.
Speaker 7: I've got a brain. We'll see about that, Sid. As
he hits the floor and he's straddling the guardrail when
he says that, by the way, yeah yeah he is,
Tony says, we need a word from the championship committee.
If you count and the guy he's laid out, it
would be nine. I don't always talking about there.
Speaker 3: Oh oh, I guess he laid out somebody on the floor.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, does that count the champions record? Yeah, okay,
we would that be the win loss committee mostly loss.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the floor.
Speaker 7: Hogan hits him in the back of the chair, throws
him over the guardrails, that takes over, taps Hogan on
the back with the chair in his own right. Hogan
goes into a table shouting spots to each other, goosele
and choke slamb Hogan takes the bump, but he doesn't
cover him. Sid does not cover him.
Speaker 3: He says, I don't know what the fuck that's all about.
Speaker 7: It He says, no, we'll do it, and then he
covers him after a break.
Speaker 3: He does. I understand, and then understand why he didn't, why.
Speaker 7: He has I don't know what he's waiting for, but
what he goes for it hold kicks out, holds up big.
Speaker 3: Boot leg and and uh, look at this. It's wrestleming
Ate all over again.
Speaker 7: My god, because we have to get a fucking run
in finish again.
Speaker 3: On n Rake Rick Steiner. Rick Steiner plays Papa Shango
but actually makes it on time so Cid isn't forced
to kick out of the leg drops. It's Rick Steiner,
I mean what it is Rick Steiner? And then Sting
plays Ultimate Warrior.
Speaker 7: Yeah he does you're right.
Speaker 3: Thing comes in, comes in to save the day. He
plays ultimate warrior. The ring is filled with.
Speaker 7: Guard right, you can tell where Hogan. Hogan doesn't have
a very deep well, ladies and gentlemen, No, he does
not have two ideas.
Speaker 3: This is wrestleming. He ate all over again, except for
this finish Abso, okay, are you ready for this ship.
Speaker 7: He's gonna have Stink turn on him like fucking uh right,
the Abyss and everybody else.
Speaker 3: But so they cut They kind of cut away pretty
quickly because it's not about Hogan Steiner staying or whatever.
It's about Sid. So Hogan boots Steiner and he drops
the leg and I went because I knew what was
going to happen. Not that I had ever seen this before,
but I knew what was going to happen, I mean,
And so I found the match and Hogan covers rick Steiner.
Speaker 7: They don't show that on the Millennium Man tape.
Speaker 3: They do not. They they faded black before it happens.
Speaker 7: He has to get the one two three on rick Steiner.
Speaker 3: And he has Charles Robinson register the bogus three count.
Speaker 7: Rick Steiner wasn't in the match. It was a one
on one match.
Speaker 3: He wasn't in the match. It was sid In Hogan.
Speaker 7: Because our whole thing about Hogan being obsessed with the
visual pinfall is just a figment of our imagination, right.
Speaker 3: Right, Like you know, because what what what sane individual
thinks that this is a good.
Speaker 7: Thing covers anybody he can to register as many victories
as he can, as many visual bouts of superiority.
Speaker 3: I mean, it is without it, it is one of
the more ludicrous moments ever ever.
Speaker 7: And it's also worth noting the ring is filling up
and completely with garbage, you know, cups and.
Speaker 3: Completely with I mean we're talking nWo like I'm gonna
tell you, I am gonna bash of the beach ninety
six garbage.
Speaker 7: I want to say right here that that had to
be mostly manufactured, because there's no reason that people were.
Speaker 3: That he didn't. The only reason I think they'd be
upset is because, like we get another fucking bogus fantasy.
Speaker 7: See that, I do see that, But if I also
see the way bishofs gears turn in a place of desperation,
He's trying to recreate the atmosphere that he knows was money.
So let's get I would put it past them to
engineer some you know, certain people in the crowd starting
the trend of throwing the drinks, then everybody.
Speaker 3: Else follows suit.
Speaker 7: Because this this seemed very inorganic to me.
Speaker 3: But what do I know now, maybe it will. You're
probably right this from the I mean, it did surprise me,
like I'm not. I was actually thinking to myself, this
seems like a little bit of a low key matchup,
a low key moment to fucking exactly started throwing shit
in there.
Speaker 7: From the observer. At the time, paced by a series
of number one contenders matches that drew huge quarter hours,
RAW was back up to a six point six to
two ratings six point three eight first hour, six point
eight three second hour, and a ten point six share
on August sixteenth. This is the August sixteenth Nitro we're
talking about here. In nineteen ninety nine, Nitro, which was
doubled in six of the eight had to head Quarters
finished with a three point two eight rating three point
seven eight first hour two point eight nine, second hour
three point one eight, third hour at a five point
four share Over the head to had two hours and
six minutes, Raw did a six point five eight rating
to Nitro's three point oh four WWF to were a
monstrous seven point twenty seven quarter which featured both the
China Verse Triple H match along with the Jericho confrontation
of Undertaker and Big Show. The Mankind Versus China match
tore a seven point one zero rating, while the Mankind
vers Triple H match dre a six point one to
three final quarter and the overrun, which went unopposed in
the final three minutes, grew to a seven point one
to three. There was very little in the way of
good news for Nitro other than a relatively strong showing
of the Hulk cog and versus Sid Vicious main event
promoted heavily throughout the show, which did a three point
sixty four final quarter and a four point two six overrun.
So that is boss a three point six y four
for hul Coke and Versus SID to a seven points
two seven for China Verse Triple H and the rest
and then China Mankind seven point one zero. Just a
huge gap. I mean, I do remember them building that well,
and nobody's talking about they did the same with the
first match when he was in Hollywood Colors. They did
a really good job of like in the Macho Man
match I mentioned we're holding up the belt back of
you know, teasing it and segue making you want to
stay tuned for the main event. Now, the finish they
delivered in the sid match was not something that make
you want to come along for the ride next.
Speaker 3: Time, not at all. No, I'd I'd definitely quit.
Speaker 7: Alto wroute the two quarters that Rod didn't double Nitro
or the second quarter where Road Dog versus Al Snow
and the beginning of an Undertaker show. Jericho's segment went
against Diamond Dallas Page versus Kidman, which was a five
point seven to three point two margin, and the final
quarter the biggest gap was the China Vers Triple h
quarter going against Ben Wavers Disco, which was the best
actual wrestling match of either show, but true the lowest
quarter of the night at two point four to two.
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Speaker 7: Back to Studio ZID. What type of person are you,
m H.
Speaker 8: I'm the type of person that I'm gonna be in
your face. If I have something to say, I'm not
gonna do it behind your back.
Speaker 12: I'm gonna go afront you face to face, and I'm
gonna let you know how I feel face to face.
Speaker 4: Six sixteen Saturday. Here he's a ride.
Speaker 3: What a ride.
Speaker 7: So he's racking up wins over Johnny the Bull and
Michael Gripwreck and Hoovey and Lodi and Lenny, and he's
going up to seventy and Disco Inferno, all these guys
eating shit. And then we go to the August thirtieth
ninety nine Nitro now at seventy five, and oh yeah,
there's no end. There's no end, there's no end.
Speaker 3: He says, Yeah, well you have I have from when
he says, and the tally.
Speaker 7: Just keeps what game we play is real easy to
men and are only one man survives? Thank God for
these dissolves. By the way, how torturous these promos were
back then To watch him meander through, you know, ten
minutes of open mic time, I mean, it just.
Speaker 3: Hurts to know, like what I know, because I actually
thought this stuff was like he came across such as
such a maniacal beast. But I'm understanding that that's not
the case.
Speaker 7: You see it side by side by side, like, oh
my god, it's much like when we played, you know,
samples of all his promos from his first title run
in WWF, it's like, oh my god. When you listen
to him side by side, like this guy just says
the same thing over and over and over again. Yeah,
and in pro wrestling, to some degree, that's fine, and
if you have the space of you know, not having
it side by side and a week passes, it's not
so bad. But when you see him like this, you're like, dude,
this guy has no idea how to carry a tune,
so to.
Speaker 3: Speak on the microphone.
Speaker 7: And it was bad because they put him out there
for like fifteen minutes every week and he just stand
there and he try to, you know, allude to the streak.
He tried to tease a couple of matches, and you
could just tell he was constantly having a reset and
remind himself like what he was there to say, and
it was it was bad television. Back to studio or
you have something for the promom, Sorry, well.
Speaker 3: I have this, I have this, this, this, this tally
thing here and the time goes higher.
Speaker 4: They're higher, and it seems that there's just snowing.
Speaker 7: There's no Yeah, I know said there's no, there's no.
Speaker 9: So now.
Speaker 4: I don't have to pick it up a little bit,
bringing sty to me.
Speaker 2: Ringing over high.
Speaker 12: They're high.
Speaker 2: To prove the outs a gout.
Speaker 4: Dim the Milaennium man and I have no cal because
the game we play is real easy.
Speaker 11: To leave it.
Speaker 20: And only one man survice and how keep loton t
I don't come love.
Speaker 16: Wow, he means business.
Speaker 20: We have covered in two thousand. They will always sing
one name I never will be.
Speaker 8: Said.
Speaker 9: This is.
Speaker 8: And that.
Speaker 12: Says enough.
Speaker 11: Is this the Millennium man, as he proclase said enough,
remember that sick enough?
Speaker 7: Oh my god, you're not kidding Sid, fucking hell.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's like it's like he just like you know,
I mean, he is he is milking beyond milking. I
don't know how long he was given to do these promos,
but he is just like on and on and on
and on. It's so absurd, absurd, and it's worthy of
a highlight videotape. Apparently, of course, of course, go back.
Speaker 7: To a studio as Sid now has to throw shade
on the relatively diminutive Chris ben Waugh because well he's
not a big man.
Speaker 12: Chrispin Waugh is, without a doubt, for a small guy.
It's a very intense competitor. He brings a lot of
things to the table, but he's not able to do
is wipe off the table because his arms are so
short you can't reach over and grab other stuff.
Speaker 8: And so said, Okay, just kidding.
Speaker 3: We know.
Speaker 12: He was foolish enough to give me an opportunity at
the title shot, and he was nice enough to give it.
Speaker 3: To me in his own way. Was he foolish enough
or was he nice in his own way? Yeah?
Speaker 7: Indeed, unless you think that knock at ben Waffer being
small was just character work. Here's Sid on the In
Your Head Wrestling podcast calling a memory around this time.
Like you mentioned, the Revolution stable is running strong, Chrispin,
wat Dean Malenko, Perry Saturn all kind of joining forces
to basically the Radicals before the Radicals in WCW. Sure,
and came a point on a nightro where Saturn and
Malinka were matched up against Sid in attack match and
building to this one and the way that Sid reacts
to Dean Malinko suggesting something for the for the match.
Really says it all.
Speaker 5: Dude, I got one story that's gonna pat myself on
the back. And this is why I was with people,
especially anyone, and it just wasn't just one would.
Speaker 8: Ask me to do something stupid.
Speaker 5: Now, one night, me and Randy Savage are working Dean
Malinko and somebody I want to say, Perry Sattern or
Crispin Mall, and Dean Malinko comes to me and says, hey, man,
do you mind if I give you.
Speaker 8: A drop toho? I do a really good drop toho.
I said, no, Dean, this is what we're gonna do.
Speaker 5: You're gonna tag in and I'm gonna bomb you, and
we have the referee throw up another win. Then I'm
we'll grab you up and do it again and we're
gonna get another win, you know. And I'm just gonna
keep doing that to stack up wins. And so we
left away from that, and Randy goes, man, that's what
I like to hear. Now that the thing is, Randy
didn't have enough nerve to say that himself, but I did,
uh huh, you know.
Speaker 8: And I did that to anyone I needed to do
that too, not Dean Malenko.
Speaker 3: Fucking it.
Speaker 7: Drop toe hold. No, we're not. I'm gonna power bomb sometimes.
Speaker 3: Drop toh, Okay, that's what it was. I'm gonna do it.
Drop toe ho my.
Speaker 7: Dean Malenko too Studios where they did a bunch of
Godzilla movies. Sid did the same thing to Van Hammer
when he came back to w W nineteen ninety three.
Remember Bill Dundee was in the office and he was like,
Van Hammer had ideas and say, actually, what we're gonna do? So,
I'm gonna power bomb me in ten seconds?
Speaker 3: In pin you what's gonna happen. I'm gonna power bomb
you in ten seconds. There's no drop to ho. Right,
there's not gonna be any any.
Speaker 7: Arm slingers, definitely not, definitely not It's not gonna be you.
Speaker 3: Any any any any footlocks. Right, We're talking about powerbomb
and power bomb, power bomb eighteen times until I get
what I need out of ye.
Speaker 7: That's the truth. And so we close here with the
match between Sid and Chris Benoa at Fall Brown nineteen
ninety nine for the United States Championship. They show on
the tape of package of them killing a bunch of
guys and saying ben wi You're the biggest man I've
ever I've ever faced. O. Ben was saying to Sid,
You're the biggest man I've ever faced.
Speaker 3: And this is where we get the revolution. This is
what got me on the fucking rabbit hole. You're with
this stupid group called You're the only one he really
stands out.
Speaker 16: Well, mister Millennium man.
Speaker 7: God, I'm not standing out well, mister Millennium man. I'm
not standing out. I'm stepping up. Okay, Chris, we're doing
a promo by a murderer, Ben wa doing a promo
shirtlest with a black wrist tape on Oh my god,
Ben Wah.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, I literally I was. I was saying,
he's got to say something about how he's revolutionary. Oh
my god, I know I went on this fucking rabbit
hole looking and looking, not even knowing by the way,
that that was a fucking thunder, not even a nitro.
Speaker 7: It was a fun that's pain, and so I was like,
you know, I'd.
Speaker 3: Go through eight shows on pecock man.
Speaker 7: I'm I'm I feel last. I'm certain if it was
said it was during the said Justice run, it wasn't
a WSW.
Speaker 3: It's funny that you say that because I always I
always remember you talking about it having to do with
him being the millennium man. I guess not. I guess
we'll never know. If you're in college, I guess not.
Speaker 7: We'll never know. Probably the same place I got v
K thunder Lager from. So it's fall Brown ninety nine
and Tony Sivanni says, regardless if you feel the winning
streak is legitimate or not great, So they're giving voice
to that on the broadcast today says seventy nine and zero.
When Goldberg won the US title, they say he was
only seventy five and zero. So that's they're trying to do.
They're trying to get sid past the point that Goldberg
was at a similar juncture.
Speaker 3: So and again, what they needed to do, they really
needed to have to make that the whole thing work
and make him seem like an obnoxious tool is to
have the commentators can always say no, this is not
act right.
Speaker 7: Worst they really didn't do until right the backlash was
such that they kind of like not leaned into it,
but they were really just thinking that they could just
manufacture enough of a wind streak to get people to
want to see Russell Goldberg, which I'm not saying it
didn't work, but.
Speaker 3: I mean I think people want to see again on
paper Goldberg Sid is a money match, Like I'd want
to see that in a pay per view agreed, no question,
Like you don't have to do that. I think this
would just be flavor for it.
Speaker 7: You know what would have sold the match ten times
bigger is if you didn't see Sid until the pay
per view. You announced it like two months out and
he maybe he said some things, but like you didn't
see him do anything to anybody until the great Sid
came into WCW, the Russell Goldberg. I think that's where
the money is is to see Sid.
Speaker 3: I mean that's for sure. If you're going to do
a straight match, absolutely, But if you're gonna do this, this, this,
you know street gimmick, it's fun to have him do
it week to week and kind of do this stuff.
I just don't think in a weird way I would
I wouldn't have him wrestle on pay per view against
like I wouldn't have him do a Crispin wa match. No, Like,
I don't think you should have had a legitimate match
on pay per view if that's what you're building towards
it's gonna be kind of squash mask squash mask squash match,
and then all these other fucking you know, these these
other you know, backstage segments, right and and in and
run ins and stuff, and just like in him saying,
there's another one.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, they don't have you have to do
if you want to do that, I'm arguing to not
even do the winning street thing. But if you're going
to do it, of course, I know you got to
do it.
Speaker 8: I know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I mean yes, if you, like I said,
if you're gonna go for the straight match, you agree,
Like you don't even need to have have him do
some fucking vignettes like have him, you know, have him
be all over the like, have him go to all
Goldberg's fucking places, like have him go to the Falcons
or whatever, the talk of the locker room, and maybe
he fucking destroys the locker room, Goldberg's old locker There
was the Falcons, right, he played for the.
Speaker 7: Falcons, Yeah, very briefly. Yeah, yeah, so you know, but
that'd be that'd be cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with it. I'm with it.
Speaker 7: So they lock up and Sid absolutely heats Ben wah
off the lock up.
Speaker 3: Oh he fucking does.
Speaker 7: I don't know what he means, just to throw something
across the room.
Speaker 3: Basically, that doesn't make sense.
Speaker 7: So Sid charges and runs in to stop talking.
Speaker 3: This fucking gen Z ship. I don't I don't follow
that language. Goldberg champ.
Speaker 7: I listened to it every fucking day. I don't follow it.
Then goes for a cross bodies the Goldberg chance breaking
Ben Wall goes for the cross body, gets caught. Ben
Wace dropped back in here Germans. Sid goes up.
Speaker 3: That does Okay, he didn't he does? That was really impressive.
He didn't have some words of wisdom for us.
Speaker 16: The size of the fighting dog, the size of the dog.
Speaker 9: In the fight.
Speaker 16: It's just a big dog.
Speaker 2: He's the biggest dog in the box. And that's a hetonism,
a freight.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he still had it even in ninety nine.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep and flashes.
Speaker 7: Sid took the German well Ben Water the crucifix, but
Sid jumps back and squashes him in a simmom and
drop and then puts the cobra clutch on. Yes, Sid
was trying to make the cobra clutch a thing, and
from that position he lifts and dumps Ben Wall like
he turned it into a slam guy. I will say,
guys like Chris ben Wah made Sid look like Sid.
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Of course, of course, I mean that's that's that's the
only way it works. You need guys like Chris Benoit
who who's who know how to make other guys look
fantastic and.
Speaker 7: Go for the ride on those bumps.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, like they shot out of it. You know, ultimately,
is that the downfall of a Chris ben Wah.
Speaker 7: Maybe Ben one goes to a sunset flip and said
drops down onto his shoulders because he's such a worker.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ben want.
Speaker 7: Missus a diving headbutt, and that allows Hid to just
scop him up power bomb in the hell and win
the US title at Fall Brawl ninety nine.
Speaker 3: Yep, and he goes eighty and Oh.
Speaker 7: Looks into the camera and says, it's all mine. I'm
gonna go back to the studio for thoughts on Bill Goldberg.
Speaker 12: Bill Goldberg, I believe the most underestimated thing about this
man is his love.
Speaker 8: For the people. It's sickening.
Speaker 24: I've been watching you, said, brother, I've been watching you
come out here, Henreek Havoc.
Speaker 4: Yes, I admire your strength, but one thing I will
not stand for.
Speaker 3: It's your mouth.
Speaker 12: We're both entiens, competitors. We both have the same wants.
We both want to make the big money. We both
want to be main event. We want to stand down.
We don't want to have no comparisons.
Speaker 3: The sounds like a fucking child, Sure does a fucking child. Oh,
we're getting to where we need to go. Yep, Goldberg
versus Sid. The whole pretense, the whole reason, and a
lot of ways that Sid was brought into w CW
was to have a match with Goldberg. And we're getting
there at the tail end of this tape, and we
ride out with his final thoughts, if you.
Speaker 12: Want to be on top, it's a big workload. He
goes with that, And I was thinking about that last time.
So I was driving into here, I said, ma'am so
tired and getting into my hotel.
Speaker 8: It's four o'clock. You guys want to hear at twelve
and hit me just like that. Ma're like, I shot
right here like a light where all our complaints left.
Because this is well.
Speaker 12: I love, I love all the duties that come with
being successful, and I like to be able to do
these duties.
Speaker 8: To the best I can do.
Speaker 12: But when we walk out of here today, you guys
will say, hey, this was pretty cool sitting here talking
to this guy.
Speaker 7: And so we're on the collision course with the big opponent.
But for SID and World Championship Wrestling, the biggest opponent
would be still to come. Announcement as a TJ
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