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<v Speaker 1>Big Food and on with Cliff and Bulbo. These guys

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<v Speaker 1>Limb always.

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<v Speaker 2>Keep it's watching.

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<v Speaker 1>And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay.

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<v Speaker 2>Greetings, Bobo, how you doing? Man?

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<v Speaker 3>All right with you? Cliff?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, just enjoy the weather which is gray and gloomy

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<v Speaker 2>and windy, but I will say it's not a cold

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<v Speaker 2>wind and it's some of my favorite weather because everything's

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful in the leaves and all that sort of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish I can get out to the woods. It's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a couple more days, though, I'm looking

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<v Speaker 2>forward to. I'm probably gonna get out Friday and go

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<v Speaker 2>trip around in the woods and try to find some

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<v Speaker 2>tracks in this awesome tracking substrate. And I guess I

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<v Speaker 2>got one more thing going on. I guess tomorrow I

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<v Speaker 2>get to spend the whole day with Larry Lund. Super

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<v Speaker 2>fired up about that cool.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>He was supposed to come over to the museum earlier

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<v Speaker 2>in the week, but uh, something got in his way there,

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<v Speaker 2>so I moved some things around and I'm gonna go

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<v Speaker 2>hang out with mister Lund for an entire day tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>He's because he's been digging around in his attic, and

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<v Speaker 2>his attic is full of treasures, and like he was

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<v Speaker 2>saying that, like, yeah, I haven't been back through in

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<v Speaker 2>a while, and he dug out this box of stuff

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<v Speaker 2>and there's all these letters and photographs from Renee to

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<v Speaker 2>Hindon about these videos and stuff, and he goes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I want want to make sure you can you can

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<v Speaker 2>see and hear some of this stuff and check it out,

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<v Speaker 2>and if there's anything you want for the museum, you

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<v Speaker 2>can take it or whatever. And so I'm pretty fired

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<v Speaker 2>up about going over to Larry's house tomorrow and digging

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<v Speaker 2>into some serious archaic sort of a hidden Bigfoot history.

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<v Speaker 3>That's hard doing that because you got to like you're

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<v Speaker 3>picking something.

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<v Speaker 5>You're like, well this is rather you start reading like

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<v Speaker 5>it might be like four or five page letter and

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<v Speaker 5>you're like, you gotta put it down so you can

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<v Speaker 5>keep looking.

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<v Speaker 3>But you just you got it. You know, it's harder

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<v Speaker 3>to go through stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Dude, you are preaching to the choir and I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>full time choir boying now because i'd spent about three

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<v Speaker 2>hours last night out in my in my shop there

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<v Speaker 2>in my outbuilding in the cast room. He's just trying

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<v Speaker 2>to organize stuff, and it's like, oh gosh, what is

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<v Speaker 2>this box?

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<v Speaker 3>You know? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>And I open up. I remember this mostly files as

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<v Speaker 2>fans orchard files. I started digging through there and there's

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<v Speaker 2>a whole file in the nineteen ninety one Mill Creek trackway.

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<v Speaker 2>Pull that out. There's a there's a small envelope full

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<v Speaker 2>of negatives and a couple of pictures West Summerlin and

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<v Speaker 2>some other people. I don't know who they are yet,

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<v Speaker 2>So I got to reach out to some friends in

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<v Speaker 2>the know, so perhaps I can learn a little bit more.

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<v Speaker 2>Find these vans orchards, handwritten notes about certain events that

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<v Speaker 2>he used to pin his two fabulous books, Big with

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<v Speaker 2>the Blues and The Walla Walla Bigfoot, which are fantastic

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<v Speaker 2>books and collector's items that are super expensive at least

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<v Speaker 2>original pressings are on eBay, like one hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 2>dollars a book sort of thing. But they're probably the

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<v Speaker 2>best single resource for a lot of that history. The

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<v Speaker 2>Blues dot dot dot for now, hint, hint, hints, So

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<v Speaker 2>we'll see what happens in the next year or two.

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<v Speaker 2>As I kind of pieced things together. There is so

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<v Speaker 2>much information out there, so much information that it's just

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm going to Larry's house tomorrow, of course, as

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned, but like I don't know how much ram

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<v Speaker 2>I have left in my brain because there's all these things. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>and I found a whole file full of bigfoot reports

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<v Speaker 2>from the Blue Mountains from like the nineteen seventies. In

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixties, I found the original newspaper article when Roger

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<v Speaker 2>Patterson followed up on Bigfoot reports in the Blue Mountains

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<v Speaker 2>and then, you know, and looking through that file just

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<v Speaker 2>brought to mind all these I don't even know what

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<v Speaker 2>to call them. I guess scoffticks like these, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>they're almost like Charlatan's skeptics, you know, like they're like

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<v Speaker 2>they're like Charlatan's themselves, these people who are casting stones

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<v Speaker 2>abouts and saying that there were there were no Blue

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<v Speaker 2>there were no Blue Mountain big foots until Freeman showed

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<v Speaker 2>up on the scene and they all went away when

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<v Speaker 2>Freedom moved away. They're are you crazy? Do you know nothing?

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<v Speaker 2>And I knew I knew a cut A couple of reports.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, there's files full of this stuff. Man, it's almost

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<v Speaker 2>like a willful ignorance on the part of the Bigfoot

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<v Speaker 2>community about the Blue Mountain evidence something needs to be done.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of that amongst those cynics. How many

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<v Speaker 1>times I well, I can't say how many times I've

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<v Speaker 1>heard on skeptical podcasts that the description of the sasquatch,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, no constriction at the neck, broad shoulders, the

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<v Speaker 1>head shape that's typically described flat face.

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<v Speaker 6>On and on and on.

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<v Speaker 1>All started with William Rowe. I've heard that probably dozens

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<v Speaker 1>of times by now. And it's like once again, like

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<v Speaker 1>you said, do you know nothing?

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<v Speaker 2>Like yeah, like snake oil salesman's on the skeptical side,

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<v Speaker 2>and they accuse us of that.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like no, no, no, no goes both ways here, buddy, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And so I do know again, just really really cool

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<v Speaker 2>stuff out there in the room down there and the

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<v Speaker 2>outbuilding and who knows what Larry has? Who knows? I

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<v Speaker 2>mean a couple of times ago and I hung out

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<v Speaker 2>with Larry. He goes you ever see these clips and

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<v Speaker 2>let me borrow this DVD rawm and like a disc

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<v Speaker 2>you know it wasn't a DVD, Like, it's not something

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<v Speaker 2>you'd put into your video player and watch. But I

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<v Speaker 2>put in the computer and lo and behold what was

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<v Speaker 2>on it? And I don't know where he got it?

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<v Speaker 2>A bunch of color photographs of Roger Patterson and Dennis

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<v Speaker 2>Jensen in Indonesia when Roger went over there to try

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<v Speaker 2>to get that sasquatch out of the monastery.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we talked a little bit about that on

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast here, but a lot of people are unaware

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<v Speaker 2>that Roger threw away all the money he made on

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<v Speaker 2>a Wild Goose Chase basically to try to get another

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<v Speaker 2>sasquatch instead of going out to make another film, because

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<v Speaker 2>which is crazy for a man with cancer who knew

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<v Speaker 2>he was dying and thought that with enough money you

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<v Speaker 2>could probably heal himself. But he threw all his money

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<v Speaker 2>away trying to get a live sasquatch capture could because

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<v Speaker 2>somebody sent him a letter saying that they had one

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<v Speaker 2>in an Indonesian monastery, and he and his buddy Dennis

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<v Speaker 2>jen And went down there to try to get it.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact years ago, and I tried to get a

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<v Speaker 2>hold of this guy, and I just could not do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Years and years and years ago, I got an email

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<v Speaker 2>from a guy saying that a gentleman who lived in Spokane.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe. I tried really hard to get ahold of them,

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<v Speaker 2>and I went to Spokane to visit the Freeman, Michael Freeman.

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<v Speaker 2>But this guy claimed to be a young anthropologist back

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<v Speaker 2>in the late nineteen sixties early nineteen seventies, and Roger

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<v Speaker 2>Patterson had reached out to him with this idea dash

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<v Speaker 2>scheme that if they got to Indonesia and the monks

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<v Speaker 2>would not give up the Sasquatch, they were going to

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<v Speaker 2>steal it somehow. And he was part of that whole thing,

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<v Speaker 2>that crazy scheme. Whoa yeah, yeah, and we think, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>Bigfoot history, Ruby Creek, the Blue Creek, Mountain tracks, blah

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<v Speaker 2>blah blah. Roger Patterson's film that kind of thing is like, no, man,

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<v Speaker 2>there's this whole other level of Bigfoot history that is

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<v Speaker 2>underneath there if you're willing to scratch the service a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit, And it is so weird and so cool

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<v Speaker 2>and so just intertwined with itself and in this weird mess.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's pretty awesome. It's pretty awesome. I really love

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<v Speaker 2>that sort of that side of things, and it's a

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<v Speaker 2>site that almost nobody knows about.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's really cool. That is cool.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean I knew about that, but I don't know much.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know any details about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, no one does. No one does, because that's never

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<v Speaker 2>really really been written down. The only record I've even

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<v Speaker 2>aware of is Krantz briefly mentions it in his book.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there are these photographs that Larry Lunn got

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<v Speaker 2>from somebody, probably Dennis Jensen. I think that he knew

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<v Speaker 2>Dennis at some point. And then you know, another crazy thing.

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<v Speaker 2>There's another bigfooter named Dennis Jensen. It lives out in

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<v Speaker 2>northern California.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I know him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's a cool guy. He would be a good podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Guess he's had some cool things happen.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah. Yeah, he gave me. He gave me a bunch

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<v Speaker 5>of cool stuff I got in my boxes.

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<v Speaker 2>Well anyway, Yeah, so I'm looking forward to tomorrow. That's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be neat. You know, if if there's any cool

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<v Speaker 2>things that I get to see, or you know, Larry

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<v Speaker 2>breaks out or something, I'll be happy to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>next time we're on the podcast together. I mean last

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<v Speaker 2>literally like the last time I saw Larry. He gave

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<v Speaker 2>me that he gave the museum. It's still technically his.

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<v Speaker 2>It's on it's on loan to the museum for one

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<v Speaker 2>of our displays. He gave me the original the oil

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<v Speaker 2>painting for the cover of what's the cover of Peter

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<v Speaker 2>Burns book. The reprinting of Peter Burns book that the

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<v Speaker 2>Big Patterson Gimlin sort of painting. He gave us the

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<v Speaker 2>original that's hanging on the wall in the museum. It's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty cool, man.

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<v Speaker 1>Have there been any other holy crap moments going through

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<v Speaker 1>the mildem archives since that's become a semi regular feature.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the biggest holy crap lately has been pouring

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<v Speaker 2>over the casts, and it's particularly the Blue Mountain evidence.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I have a couple originals from Most of

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<v Speaker 2>this stuf is from Freeman, but I have a couple.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a couple originals from Summerland, which are neat

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<v Speaker 2>and Summerlin had a tendency to kind of whitewash his

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<v Speaker 2>his casts because his his wife I think her name

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<v Speaker 2>was Pee Wee or I remember right, said that she

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<v Speaker 2>didn't like the way they looked, so he would like

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<v Speaker 2>coat them with plaster to make them look a little smoother.

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<v Speaker 2>But a couple of them have escaped that that fate,

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<v Speaker 2>which is kind of nice, and they even show faint dramaticallyphics.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think the holy crap moment for this last

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<v Speaker 2>week is looking over the footprints and literally just pulling

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<v Speaker 2>out a random drawer and then starting to look pretty

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<v Speaker 2>closely at a couple of these blue mountain casts and

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<v Speaker 2>finding faint and small patches of dramaticallyphics. Now, are they

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<v Speaker 2>sasquatch dramatic elyphics or a human I don't know. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if there is a way to tell

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<v Speaker 2>at this moment. I guess the best way to tell

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<v Speaker 2>is to get another expert, Dave's agan or somebody like that,

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<v Speaker 2>and say, do these appear on the foot or hand?

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<v Speaker 2>In some cases, do these appear on the foot in

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<v Speaker 2>the right pattern for that location on the foot? You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's going to be the big tell because

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of the things but I sent him before,

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<v Speaker 2>and they weren't necessarily a blue mountain cast. I think

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<v Speaker 2>somebody else's cast. I think I sent that one first.

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<v Speaker 2>They said that Daves again said these are dramaticglyphics, but

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<v Speaker 2>they they're not at a naturally occurring place on the foot.

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<v Speaker 2>And like his reasoning was that of dramaticallypics, apparently they

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<v Speaker 2>flow perpendicular to the direction of growth of the foot.

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<v Speaker 2>So like if a foot gets longer, you would expect

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<v Speaker 2>the dramatic elypics to go sideways across that part of

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<v Speaker 2>the foot. You know, that's just how they develop. That's

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<v Speaker 2>and that's true of you know, all ape species. I guess,

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<v Speaker 2>although I did find a trackway from November third, nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty seven that I think four out of the five

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<v Speaker 2>tracks have pretty clear dramaticlyphics and dramaticlyphics, I'm leaning towards

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<v Speaker 2>them probably being sasquatch dramaticallyphics for the most part. As

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<v Speaker 2>possible that maybe one of the humans accidentally touched the

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<v Speaker 2>cast or did it on purpose. We've talked about that

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<v Speaker 2>a dozen times in the podcast here. People tend to

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<v Speaker 2>touch things that they're interested in, and then that includes footprints.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's very possible that a lay person or someone

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<v Speaker 2>who didn't know any better, which is most of those

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<v Speaker 2>guys honestly touched the impression with their own hand. Thus,

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<v Speaker 2>introducing dramaticallypics into the impression. But if it's naturally occurring

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<v Speaker 2>on the foot, there are certain places on the foot

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<v Speaker 2>that those dramaticallyfics should occur, and those places are on

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<v Speaker 2>the outside, like the lateral side, like the lateral walls

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<v Speaker 2>of the cast, whether it's the outside or the inside

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<v Speaker 2>of the foot, or the back of the heel, or

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<v Speaker 2>the outside of the toes, especially if there's any mushroom

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<v Speaker 2>effect on the toes or the fat pad on the

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<v Speaker 2>bottom of the foot, and anywhere on the planet's surface

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<v Speaker 2>there's a mushrooming of the fat pad and it expands

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<v Speaker 2>laterally out into the substrate. Those are excellent places to

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<v Speaker 2>fine dramatically fix And also, oddly enough, the toe stems

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<v Speaker 2>between the fat pad, that is, the ball of the

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<v Speaker 2>toe and where the foot actually begins, so that the

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<v Speaker 2>toe stem itself is a wonderful place to find dramatical epics.

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<v Speaker 2>So if the flow pattern is consistent with the other

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<v Speaker 2>ape species in those locations, then I think it's safe

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<v Speaker 2>to say we can be reasonably sure that those dramaticallypics

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<v Speaker 2>were introduced by the sasquatch foot itself, and it's not

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<v Speaker 2>just you know, everybody knows about the Dermals cast. There

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<v Speaker 2>were three prints cast on that day. It was either

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<v Speaker 2>June sixteenth or seventeenth, that's a little unclear now at

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty two, and those are the most famous one

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<v Speaker 2>because that individual animal is now nicknamed Dermals. But there's

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<v Speaker 2>there's dematicallypics and a lot of the footprint cast. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't be surprised if it's as much as maybe

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five or thirty percent of these footprint casts have

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<v Speaker 2>some trace dramatical ethics on them at some point somewhere

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<v Speaker 2>on the bottom of the foot, on the planner's surface

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<v Speaker 2>of the foot. So that's the holy crap moment for

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<v Speaker 2>this week. I'm trying to get out a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>more out of the paperwork and get back into the

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<v Speaker 2>footprint cast a bit. But it is very very impressive,

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<v Speaker 2>really really cool stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a lot of those pictures you sent me were

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<v Speaker 1>so impressive, and like you mentioned the toe stem, that

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<v Speaker 1>was one of the clearest places with the clearest ridges

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<v Speaker 1>that I could see, like immediately. There's several examples that

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<v Speaker 1>are very clear, but that one in particular, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of hard to think about how you would introduce

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<v Speaker 1>human dramaticlyphics into that point because they're not there really

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<v Speaker 1>in the toe impression.

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<v Speaker 6>It's in the toe stem, which would make sense for

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<v Speaker 6>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Toes that are if they pretty rough, for callous, or

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<v Speaker 1>if some degree of friction has you know, worn down

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<v Speaker 1>or degraded the ridges so that they don't transfer a

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<v Speaker 1>register or the substrate. But it's there in the toe stem.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I was thinking, like, well, if you made

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<v Speaker 1>toes with your fingers, how would you only get your

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<v Speaker 1>dramatic glyphics to impress in the stem, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>knuckle basically, and not the fingertip. So I was really

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<v Speaker 1>impressed by that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a very very interesting set. So, like the

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<v Speaker 2>dramaticallyphics thing has been kind of cool. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I ran across Krantz's file on the dermaticlypics, which is awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>It has a really nice big pictures, like I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if they're eight by tens, they might be that

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<v Speaker 2>big or whatever the next common size down is. But

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of black and white photographs, many of

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<v Speaker 2>which were used in Krantz's book and his paper on

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<v Speaker 2>dramatical epics that he wrote for I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>either cryptosology or the Northwest Anthropological Research notes, like all

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<v Speaker 2>those glossy photographs are in this file, as well as

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<v Speaker 2>a latex pull of the Wrinkle foot footprint, which is

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<v Speaker 2>pretty neat. They just put a thin layer of latex

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<v Speaker 2>just over the bottom of the foot and then they

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<v Speaker 2>after about two probably three layers, maybe four layers, they

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<v Speaker 2>pull it off to record the dramaticallyphics on them, and

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<v Speaker 2>those are especially interesting to me, as well as the

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<v Speaker 2>silastic mold of the dramatical or the dermals individual as well.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a very important find because unfortunately, of those

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<v Speaker 2>casts that were made at Elkwallow on June sixteenth or seventeenth,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty two, the originals reside in the Smithsonian Institute,

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<v Speaker 2>so I owned them on but I don't have the cast,

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<v Speaker 2>so I don't know what that means legally speaking, So

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<v Speaker 2>like when the stuff was transferred to the museum, the

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<v Speaker 2>legal paperwork has those casts on it, but I don't

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<v Speaker 2>have the actual casts, and I have the molds. I

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<v Speaker 2>have wonderful first generation copies, but I actually don't have

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<v Speaker 2>the originals, and I'd be so interested to see how

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<v Speaker 2>much better the originals are than the first generation copies

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<v Speaker 2>I have, because generally speaking, it's a significant difference. Stay

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's really really cool. I've just been plowing through slides.

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<v Speaker 2>I think. I think on the last episode I was

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<v Speaker 2>lamenting the sheer number of just slides he had. Some

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<v Speaker 2>were organized, most were not. Many of them just showed

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<v Speaker 2>like primate stuff for like primate powerpoints. But this is

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<v Speaker 2>before powerpoints status useless slide carousels and doing a presentation

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<v Speaker 2>for a class, you know, in that sort of way.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I have a lot of random slides about

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<v Speaker 2>you know, ape anatomy and human evolution and the like,

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<v Speaker 2>human anatomy and muscle groups and just the anatomy stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, because he was an anatomus. I'm putting those

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<v Speaker 2>aside for now and just working hard to document the

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<v Speaker 2>Bigfoot stuff. And that is super interesting, too, very interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yesterday I ran across slides of the original cast from

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty two the Gray's Harbor events. Now I have

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of the originals. I have one that was

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<v Speaker 2>cast by a Cliff Crook unfortunate name on both counts

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<v Speaker 2>first and last night, I have the original cast from

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<v Speaker 2>that event, and I've seen the original Hereford cast. Dennis

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<v Speaker 2>Hereford still has three originals in his possession. And I

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<v Speaker 2>will say that the copies that Krantz made out of

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<v Speaker 2>those made from those look just like the originals, like

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<v Speaker 2>just like them. They're fantastic. That those silastic molds are

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<v Speaker 2>very very impressive. But Meltrem had another of the casts

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<v Speaker 2>I think copy didn't find sand that I'd never seen before.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know where the original all of that one

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<v Speaker 2>is but I've found photographs. Okay, let me back up

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<v Speaker 2>a bit. If you go to Bones Clones or if

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<v Speaker 2>you go to Skeletons Unlimited, which are two vendors I

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<v Speaker 2>guess of fossils and skulls and you know, like replicas

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff from museum quality replicas. It's a great resource

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<v Speaker 2>if you're interested paleoanthropology or dinosaurs, or you know, ice

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<v Speaker 2>age mammals or any of that stuff. I love the place.

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<v Speaker 2>But they also have the Bossburg cripple foot footprints, and

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<v Speaker 2>they also have a left and right cast of the

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty two grays Harbor casts, two of them that

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Krantz rather cast at the scene. So they actually

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<v Speaker 2>have four footprint casts as well as the giganipithecust skull

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<v Speaker 2>and a meganthropist skull by the way too. But they

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<v Speaker 2>actually have four footprint casts that are from the Krantz

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<v Speaker 2>collection for sale. They've licensed it through I guess Krantz's

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<v Speaker 2>widow or family or whoever whatever the legal thing is

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<v Speaker 2>over there, right, And I've never seen theriginals of of well,

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<v Speaker 2>I still haven't seen the originals of the Cripple foot cast,

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<v Speaker 2>the Bossburg cast, although doctor Meldrum. His mold is of

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<v Speaker 2>the originals, so I've pretty much as closed as I

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<v Speaker 2>can get without seeing the originals. Jeff was given the

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<v Speaker 2>original or lent the originals or something like that a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of years ago or ten years ago, and he

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<v Speaker 2>made copies of them. But Krantz had these nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 2>two grades Harbor prints that I've only seen through bones clones.

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<v Speaker 2>So but last night I ran across when I was

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<v Speaker 2>scanning these slides, I ran across photographs of the originals

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<v Speaker 2>of those first time I set my eyes on them.

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<v Speaker 2>And to me, that's a treasure, you know, super super

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<v Speaker 2>cool stuff that I've never seen those, because I've seen

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<v Speaker 2>the originals of most of the really amazing casts out there.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I would venture a guest sixty to eighty

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<v Speaker 2>percent of the original famous casts that are out there

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<v Speaker 2>I have either touched or seen the originals of, but

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<v Speaker 2>I've never seen those, and so stuff like that. When

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<v Speaker 2>I when I when I ran across to cast's original,

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<v Speaker 2>even a picture of it that I'd never seen in

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<v Speaker 2>my life, Well, that's that's cool. I love it. But

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<v Speaker 2>also that's that's kind of rare nowadays, you know, because

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<v Speaker 2>I have access to the original tipmus stuff, and I've

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<v Speaker 2>a I don't have the original I don't have access

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<v Speaker 2>to original Patterson stuff, but you know, I've seen pictures

419
00:21:19.119 --> 00:21:21.680
<v Speaker 2>of them, so I don't know. So there's always something new,

420
00:21:21.960 --> 00:21:22.759
<v Speaker 2>always something new.

421
00:21:23.279 --> 00:21:25.160
<v Speaker 3>I know. It's a lot of work and I'm still jealous.

422
00:21:25.640 --> 00:21:29.119
<v Speaker 2>Feel free to come up you can help. I know.

423
00:21:29.160 --> 00:21:31.160
<v Speaker 1>On Meldon's file is one of the things he found

424
00:21:31.240 --> 00:21:34.720
<v Speaker 1>was a really great painting of Bobo and James.

425
00:21:35.039 --> 00:21:36.680
<v Speaker 2>Going Bob Gimlin in a canoe.

426
00:21:36.960 --> 00:21:39.400
<v Speaker 6>Yes, can we share that with with pigeons?

427
00:21:39.480 --> 00:21:41.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh, of course you can. Yeah, that's a great thing

428
00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:43.200
<v Speaker 2>to share with the pigeons. They love that.

429
00:21:43.200 --> 00:21:46.599
<v Speaker 3>That Finley guy from England I think painted that. Yeah.

430
00:21:46.720 --> 00:21:48.640
<v Speaker 3>I think Monkey might be in the canoe too.

431
00:21:49.119 --> 00:21:50.680
<v Speaker 2>She is, She is in there.

432
00:21:51.279 --> 00:21:52.160
<v Speaker 3>That's so funny.

433
00:21:52.440 --> 00:21:56.119
<v Speaker 5>I can't believe Meldium had a copy of that.

434
00:21:56.599 --> 00:21:57.839
<v Speaker 3>He was a big monkey fan.

435
00:21:58.519 --> 00:21:59.960
<v Speaker 2>He was a huge monkey fan.

436
00:22:00.720 --> 00:22:01.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah.

437
00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:04.160
<v Speaker 2>He was definitely a dog kind of guy. I remember

438
00:22:04.160 --> 00:22:06.839
<v Speaker 2>one time he and I were talking about is maybe

439
00:22:06.880 --> 00:22:08.359
<v Speaker 2>an email or text, I remember what it was, but

440
00:22:08.400 --> 00:22:10.359
<v Speaker 2>we were going back and forth about one of his dogs,

441
00:22:11.160 --> 00:22:15.240
<v Speaker 2>and he loved that particular dog because it had one

442
00:22:15.359 --> 00:22:18.039
<v Speaker 2>blue eye and one brown eye. And he said it's

443
00:22:18.079 --> 00:22:20.519
<v Speaker 2>so great because depending on which angle you see the

444
00:22:20.519 --> 00:22:22.200
<v Speaker 2>dog from, it's like you have another one.

445
00:22:22.880 --> 00:22:25.039
<v Speaker 3>Huh, I got two blue eyes and one brown eye.

446
00:22:25.640 --> 00:22:28.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I make sure I don't see that angle.

447
00:22:29.079 --> 00:22:30.680
<v Speaker 1>How epic would it be if you found like a

448
00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:33.400
<v Speaker 1>receipt for that painting in motors files, Like he'd either

449
00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:36.480
<v Speaker 1>purchase that or commission it, commissioned it.

450
00:22:38.440 --> 00:22:40.559
<v Speaker 3>He just had like a photo of it, right, Like, no,

451
00:22:40.759 --> 00:22:42.359
<v Speaker 3>he didn't have a copy of it, right.

452
00:22:42.640 --> 00:22:44.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I say it was like a print of it.

453
00:22:44.720 --> 00:22:46.839
<v Speaker 3>That's so funny, cool stuff.

454
00:22:46.920 --> 00:22:50.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, looking forward to getting my wrapping my head around

455
00:22:50.039 --> 00:22:53.240
<v Speaker 2>what's actually there. So when somebody says, well what about this,

456
00:22:53.319 --> 00:22:54.880
<v Speaker 2>I go, oh, yeah, yeah, let me get you some

457
00:22:54.960 --> 00:22:57.400
<v Speaker 2>resources on that. You know, let me, let me show

458
00:22:57.400 --> 00:22:59.920
<v Speaker 2>you the original file, let me show you let me

459
00:23:00.039 --> 00:23:03.160
<v Speaker 2>played this recording of you know so and so talking

460
00:23:03.200 --> 00:23:06.200
<v Speaker 2>about that right after it happened. You know, there's a

461
00:23:06.240 --> 00:23:08.200
<v Speaker 2>lot of that stuff. I haven't even started the audio

462
00:23:08.240 --> 00:23:09.880
<v Speaker 2>files yet. Holy smokes.

463
00:23:10.319 --> 00:23:11.960
<v Speaker 3>How much tapes? How much? What is it? Like? It's

464
00:23:11.960 --> 00:23:13.680
<v Speaker 3>all cassette tape mostly right.

465
00:23:13.960 --> 00:23:16.480
<v Speaker 2>Well, there's a lot of cassette tapes. There are a

466
00:23:16.480 --> 00:23:20.240
<v Speaker 2>lot of videotapes, VHS tapes, and a lot of like

467
00:23:20.279 --> 00:23:22.480
<v Speaker 2>things taped off the television and things like that too.

468
00:23:22.559 --> 00:23:25.480
<v Speaker 2>But I know he has a couple of VHS tapes

469
00:23:25.480 --> 00:23:29.160
<v Speaker 2>of like of interviews with people. I know one in particular,

470
00:23:29.880 --> 00:23:32.519
<v Speaker 2>he visited West summerlind one time and he put the

471
00:23:32.799 --> 00:23:36.000
<v Speaker 2>his video recorder on the on the table, and you know,

472
00:23:36.039 --> 00:23:37.599
<v Speaker 2>Wes was like, what's that for? So well, do you

473
00:23:37.680 --> 00:23:39.759
<v Speaker 2>mind if I recorded? It's one of these, no problem,

474
00:23:39.799 --> 00:23:42.559
<v Speaker 2>And then West started talking and you know, once Wescott going,

475
00:23:42.880 --> 00:23:44.119
<v Speaker 2>he just forgot about the camera.

476
00:23:44.559 --> 00:23:44.720
<v Speaker 3>You know.

477
00:23:44.799 --> 00:23:48.119
<v Speaker 2>So he has like two hours of West Summerland telling

478
00:23:48.200 --> 00:23:49.799
<v Speaker 2>tales about sasquatch reports.

479
00:23:49.880 --> 00:23:52.079
<v Speaker 3>I want to see that, Yeah, so I have.

480
00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:54.079
<v Speaker 2>I want to see it too. I haven't. I haven't

481
00:23:54.079 --> 00:23:56.160
<v Speaker 2>even I haven't even scratched the service on that. And

482
00:23:56.200 --> 00:23:58.880
<v Speaker 2>then he has things he has. He had a bunch

483
00:23:58.920 --> 00:24:02.400
<v Speaker 2>of micro because sets and then those are vance orchards

484
00:24:02.440 --> 00:24:06.880
<v Speaker 2>almost certainly Van's orchards with various people. It was at

485
00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:09.240
<v Speaker 2>art Snow. Maybe it's not art, it's something Snow.

486
00:24:09.279 --> 00:24:10.839
<v Speaker 3>It's like art Snow. Yeah.

487
00:24:10.880 --> 00:24:13.200
<v Speaker 2>The Forest Service guy that was with Paul Freeman in

488
00:24:13.240 --> 00:24:16.480
<v Speaker 2>the in the watershed when he'sound tracks there. He has

489
00:24:16.519 --> 00:24:19.480
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of interviews and I can't wait to get

490
00:24:19.519 --> 00:24:22.359
<v Speaker 2>into that, because I did find some a letter written

491
00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:26.039
<v Speaker 2>back and forth between doctor Meldrim and Vance Orchard, and

492
00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:31.119
<v Speaker 2>Vance Orchard gave him those cassettes, you know, and and

493
00:24:31.240 --> 00:24:34.960
<v Speaker 2>doctor Meldrim's response was, it was so helpful to listen

494
00:24:35.079 --> 00:24:39.799
<v Speaker 2>to the the actual person this happened to, just telling

495
00:24:39.839 --> 00:24:43.000
<v Speaker 2>it as it happened, like a narrative, instead of reading

496
00:24:43.039 --> 00:24:45.640
<v Speaker 2>a newspaper article or some report about it.

497
00:24:47.480 --> 00:24:50.119
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I got I got a thing coming up. Well,

498
00:24:50.160 --> 00:24:53.359
<v Speaker 5>maybe possible to shoot this guy I've known since he's

499
00:24:53.359 --> 00:24:54.400
<v Speaker 5>a little kid.

500
00:24:54.799 --> 00:24:58.319
<v Speaker 3>He's a friend's kid, and.

501
00:24:59.400 --> 00:25:02.519
<v Speaker 5>It's probably like thirty now, no, he's probably thirty three,

502
00:25:02.640 --> 00:25:03.079
<v Speaker 5>thirty four.

503
00:25:03.119 --> 00:25:04.759
<v Speaker 3>But he's he's making a movie.

504
00:25:05.519 --> 00:25:08.279
<v Speaker 5>It's like, you know, full big budget, that kind of

505
00:25:08.319 --> 00:25:12.039
<v Speaker 5>a documentary kind of deal. And he's gonna let his

506
00:25:12.200 --> 00:25:16.079
<v Speaker 5>life for one year be determined by rolling dice. Every

507
00:25:16.079 --> 00:25:19.039
<v Speaker 5>major question or decision that comes up, or even just

508
00:25:19.119 --> 00:25:21.759
<v Speaker 5>any any decision, he rolls the dice.

509
00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:23.119
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

510
00:25:23.640 --> 00:25:27.759
<v Speaker 5>I think there's three dice, three die and the whole

511
00:25:27.799 --> 00:25:31.240
<v Speaker 5>thing starts day one starts, and humble like he could

512
00:25:31.279 --> 00:25:32.759
<v Speaker 5>take him around the world. He doesn't know where it

513
00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:38.319
<v Speaker 5>could take him anywhere. But one of the first options

514
00:25:38.079 --> 00:25:41.400
<v Speaker 5>that he has to choose, and this is going to

515
00:25:41.480 --> 00:25:43.960
<v Speaker 5>set the course of the rest of the year, is

516
00:25:44.200 --> 00:25:46.400
<v Speaker 5>he's going to roll the dice. And there's possibility for

517
00:25:46.400 --> 00:25:48.559
<v Speaker 5>each one of these things to go do, and one

518
00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:50.359
<v Speaker 5>of them is go look for Bigfoot with Bobo.

519
00:25:51.319 --> 00:25:52.599
<v Speaker 2>Oh you gonna let that happen?

520
00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:56.279
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, he's he's I've done him forever and his

521
00:25:56.839 --> 00:25:59.160
<v Speaker 5>you know families. You know, I've done the friends of

522
00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:02.400
<v Speaker 5>the Fire forever. So at first I was like, oh man,

523
00:26:03.759 --> 00:26:05.200
<v Speaker 5>and then I was like, yeah, you know, let's do it,

524
00:26:05.240 --> 00:26:07.759
<v Speaker 5>because you know, it's like it's just one of those

525
00:26:07.799 --> 00:26:09.759
<v Speaker 5>real shoot quick shoot things will be out for like

526
00:26:09.880 --> 00:26:13.759
<v Speaker 5>afternoon evening, like for one one night, like they'll stay

527
00:26:13.759 --> 00:26:16.039
<v Speaker 5>out there, but it could be like it's you know,

528
00:26:16.400 --> 00:26:18.160
<v Speaker 5>like a week and a half or something like so

529
00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:20.799
<v Speaker 5>it could be like totally storming and like just that

530
00:26:20.880 --> 00:26:24.640
<v Speaker 5>night it's just bunking like heavy winds and rain, you

531
00:26:24.680 --> 00:26:25.880
<v Speaker 5>know or whatever, like.

532
00:26:27.119 --> 00:26:28.039
<v Speaker 3>You can just get rained.

533
00:26:28.319 --> 00:26:30.400
<v Speaker 5>There's you know, a good chance we can get rained

534
00:26:30.400 --> 00:26:33.519
<v Speaker 5>out or stormed out. So it's like, God, I hate

535
00:26:33.519 --> 00:26:35.799
<v Speaker 5>doing that, Like there's not much chance to success. Like

536
00:26:35.839 --> 00:26:39.279
<v Speaker 5>there's you know, going for one night, not much happens usually,

537
00:26:39.319 --> 00:26:41.160
<v Speaker 5>you know, but if you can get someone out for

538
00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:43.720
<v Speaker 5>like three four nights or a week or something, you know,

539
00:26:43.720 --> 00:26:47.000
<v Speaker 5>it's so much more likely you're going to get some

540
00:26:47.079 --> 00:26:51.559
<v Speaker 5>vocals or something or some knocks. And so it's it's

541
00:26:51.640 --> 00:26:53.480
<v Speaker 5>just kind of like it's just I hate doing those

542
00:26:53.599 --> 00:26:57.000
<v Speaker 5>like those, you know, just a little quick because it's it's, uh,

543
00:26:57.319 --> 00:26:59.720
<v Speaker 5>it just makes it look like, oh, like.

544
00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:02.680
<v Speaker 3>They're nothing ever happens. You know, this will be this

545
00:27:02.680 --> 00:27:03.480
<v Speaker 3>will be pretty interesting.

546
00:27:03.599 --> 00:27:06.240
<v Speaker 5>So I guess I got a one and six chance

547
00:27:06.319 --> 00:27:08.920
<v Speaker 5>of having that happen, but I won't know until the

548
00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:12.640
<v Speaker 5>day it happens, because it's just it's just all spontaneous.

549
00:27:13.480 --> 00:27:18.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh how the tables have turned. You're a get it.

550
00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:20.160
<v Speaker 6>Welcome to our world.

551
00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:24.400
<v Speaker 3>I told him, I get it, no problem.

552
00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:27.519
<v Speaker 2>Just yesterday I was wearing my my my D and

553
00:27:27.599 --> 00:27:31.200
<v Speaker 2>D shirt has said that the dice giveth and the

554
00:27:31.240 --> 00:27:34.440
<v Speaker 2>dice taketh away. Now you're going to be subjected to

555
00:27:34.440 --> 00:27:35.680
<v Speaker 2>those same rules of chance.

556
00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:39.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I thought that was going to elicit a nerd

557
00:27:39.559 --> 00:27:40.119
<v Speaker 1>from Bobo.

558
00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:41.759
<v Speaker 2>Mister chance.

559
00:27:42.319 --> 00:27:43.240
<v Speaker 3>That's pretty classical.

560
00:27:43.279 --> 00:27:46.319
<v Speaker 5>I mean like that's that's a that'd be pretty exciting

561
00:27:46.359 --> 00:27:48.000
<v Speaker 5>way to start, you like, live a year of your

562
00:27:48.039 --> 00:27:48.920
<v Speaker 5>life like that.

563
00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:52.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you had a year to spare. But he's young.

564
00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:54.200
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, because some of the stuff, like some of the

565
00:27:54.200 --> 00:27:57.440
<v Speaker 5>stuff like it's like options yes to like well, it's

566
00:27:57.480 --> 00:28:00.920
<v Speaker 5>not just he has options planned out, but the most

567
00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:03.039
<v Speaker 5>important one is the first one, you know, because it

568
00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:06.680
<v Speaker 5>goes from there. But uh yeah, I mean it's just

569
00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:08.839
<v Speaker 5>I think like one of them is like learn a

570
00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:12.880
<v Speaker 5>surf and bali and like there's no one like go

571
00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:16.079
<v Speaker 5>to Russia for something, or you know, go to Australia,

572
00:28:16.240 --> 00:28:18.559
<v Speaker 5>go to Like He's like, there's all these missions that

573
00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:19.519
<v Speaker 5>can come off of it.

574
00:28:20.319 --> 00:28:22.200
<v Speaker 1>Well, if you do that, we'll get him on the podcast.

575
00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:23.799
<v Speaker 1>He might make a good guess.

576
00:28:25.799 --> 00:28:29.200
<v Speaker 2>Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.

577
00:28:29.400 --> 00:28:37.920
<v Speaker 2>We'll be right back after these messages. You know, I

578
00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:40.279
<v Speaker 2>just had a visit from a friend of mine. He

579
00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:43.000
<v Speaker 2>was the manager of the fishing tackle store that I

580
00:28:43.079 --> 00:28:45.319
<v Speaker 2>used to work at down in Long Beach, Fisherman's Hardware.

581
00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:45.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

582
00:28:46.200 --> 00:28:48.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Don is kind of living the van life right now,

583
00:28:49.359 --> 00:28:53.640
<v Speaker 2>like divorce and whatever else. And he's got grandkids, and stuff,

584
00:28:53.640 --> 00:28:55.880
<v Speaker 2>and he says, screw it, man, screw the man. And

585
00:28:55.920 --> 00:29:00.559
<v Speaker 2>he's just become like a nomadic van life kind of guy.

586
00:29:01.759 --> 00:29:04.839
<v Speaker 2>And he spends a lot of time on the PCT,

587
00:29:04.839 --> 00:29:08.079
<v Speaker 2>the Pacific Crest Trail a lot, you know, that's kind

588
00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:10.440
<v Speaker 2>of the way. That's what he loves now more than anything,

589
00:29:10.519 --> 00:29:12.519
<v Speaker 2>is hiking around. He's like sixty three. He's living a

590
00:29:12.519 --> 00:29:14.799
<v Speaker 2>great life, something that he missed out on perhaps when

591
00:29:14.839 --> 00:29:16.119
<v Speaker 2>he was young. I don't know if missed out is

592
00:29:16.160 --> 00:29:18.359
<v Speaker 2>the right word. But he's living his best life right

593
00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:20.640
<v Speaker 2>now and he's just killing it, loving it. He just

594
00:29:20.640 --> 00:29:23.000
<v Speaker 2>spent a couple of nights with us here cruising through town.

595
00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:26.240
<v Speaker 2>And he's a pretty awesome van. It has orange flames

596
00:29:26.279 --> 00:29:29.240
<v Speaker 2>on the side. It's pretty pretty sweet. You would love it.

597
00:29:29.960 --> 00:29:32.440
<v Speaker 2>It screams you in a lot of ways. But we

598
00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:34.920
<v Speaker 2>were having dinner the other night and I asked him,

599
00:29:34.960 --> 00:29:37.319
<v Speaker 2>just kind of kind of random, I said, dude, you're

600
00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:39.240
<v Speaker 2>out in the PCT. All that you're out there alone

601
00:29:39.240 --> 00:29:41.519
<v Speaker 2>with you and your dog and stuff like that. I mean,

602
00:29:41.559 --> 00:29:44.079
<v Speaker 2>you ever hear weird thing like Knox or anything like that.

603
00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:46.079
<v Speaker 2>He goes, oh, yeah, I hear. Also, I just file

604
00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:49.720
<v Speaker 2>those under the Unknown Noises Department. You know, it's because

605
00:29:49.759 --> 00:29:53.240
<v Speaker 2>the forest is full of weird unknown noises. And I said, yeah,

606
00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:53.799
<v Speaker 2>I know, I get it.

607
00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:54.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

608
00:29:54.079 --> 00:29:55.559
<v Speaker 2>Do you ever hear like a it sounds like a

609
00:29:55.599 --> 00:29:58.240
<v Speaker 2>big dude yelling in the woods or something And he goes, no,

610
00:29:58.240 --> 00:30:01.319
<v Speaker 2>nothing like that. I've heard ls and howls and things

611
00:30:01.359 --> 00:30:03.400
<v Speaker 2>like that. Though, of course I go, okay, well here's

612
00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:05.920
<v Speaker 2>one for you. You ever hear a car door slam

613
00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:08.519
<v Speaker 2>where you're darn sure there's no cars? And his eyes

614
00:30:08.519 --> 00:30:11.880
<v Speaker 2>get real big, is yes, what is that about? I go, well,

615
00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:14.160
<v Speaker 2>I think it's these things. He goes, I have heard that.

616
00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:16.519
<v Speaker 2>I totally have heard that. He started going off about,

617
00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:19.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, these various incidents and things like that. But

618
00:30:19.799 --> 00:30:21.839
<v Speaker 2>I thought that was pretty interesting that someone who has

619
00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:25.599
<v Speaker 2>no association with the big Foot thing has heard those

620
00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:28.559
<v Speaker 2>same sort of things and like the John Murror Wilderness

621
00:30:28.599 --> 00:30:30.480
<v Speaker 2>of the Southern Sierras and places like that.

622
00:30:31.119 --> 00:30:33.599
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I've talked to a lot of like people that said.

623
00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:35.240
<v Speaker 5>And I was like, how about a car door signing?

624
00:30:35.319 --> 00:30:35.839
<v Speaker 5>There's no way.

625
00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:38.000
<v Speaker 3>He's like, like, I've had a couple of going like.

626
00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:40.480
<v Speaker 5>I was wondering, hocket here, like because the parking area

627
00:30:40.599 --> 00:30:42.079
<v Speaker 5>was like three miles away, and I'm like, how can

628
00:30:42.119 --> 00:30:42.920
<v Speaker 5>I hear that door sound?

629
00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:44.000
<v Speaker 3>Like it's just right here?

630
00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:46.160
<v Speaker 5>And He's like, you know, I figured out how to

631
00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:49.640
<v Speaker 5>be like atmospheric and wind direction, and but I just

632
00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:52.000
<v Speaker 5>could not figure out how I was hearing a couple

633
00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:54.759
<v Speaker 5>of car doors slam three miles from the trailhead.

634
00:30:55.640 --> 00:30:57.480
<v Speaker 2>That was perplexing to him as well. And then he's

635
00:30:57.519 --> 00:31:00.640
<v Speaker 2>heard those like the murmurs, like like, what I know

636
00:31:00.680 --> 00:31:02.799
<v Speaker 2>no one's camping near me. Why do I hear people talking?

637
00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:05.319
<v Speaker 2>What are they saying? I can't Yeah, that kind of stuff,

638
00:31:05.359 --> 00:31:07.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, which you know, maybe there is somebody camping nearby.

639
00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:10.559
<v Speaker 2>I don't really know, I guess. But still he's heard

640
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:13.000
<v Speaker 2>all the classic noises and he knows nothing about the

641
00:31:13.000 --> 00:31:15.039
<v Speaker 2>big Foot thing really except for what he's gotten from me.

642
00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:17.480
<v Speaker 2>And when I was in my twenties, you know, when

643
00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:19.640
<v Speaker 2>I were hanging out together. But I thought that was

644
00:31:19.640 --> 00:31:21.279
<v Speaker 2>interesting And what are you bringing up?

645
00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:24.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've heard that sound a few times and it's

646
00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:26.000
<v Speaker 1>always jarring.

647
00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:27.880
<v Speaker 6>What do you think of the museum?

648
00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:28.640
<v Speaker 3>Oh?

649
00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:30.839
<v Speaker 2>He loved it. He thought it was great and like

650
00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:33.119
<v Speaker 2>most people who you know, come in for the first time,

651
00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:35.880
<v Speaker 2>he thought it was better than he expected.

652
00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:38.079
<v Speaker 1>See, I know, Bobo's met a lot of your friends

653
00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:41.039
<v Speaker 1>from like, you know, the the normy days.

654
00:31:41.319 --> 00:31:44.279
<v Speaker 6>Although I know you are always, in your words, always

655
00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:44.920
<v Speaker 6>a weird guy.

656
00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:47.319
<v Speaker 1>But there's no one of your friends I've met that

657
00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:50.359
<v Speaker 1>aren't sasquatch people, you know. So it is interesting to

658
00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:53.200
<v Speaker 1>when you get that experience of like how normal people

659
00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:54.519
<v Speaker 1>view it. Like we just went and hung out with

660
00:31:54.519 --> 00:31:56.359
<v Speaker 1>some of Emily's friends from high school that moved to

661
00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:59.160
<v Speaker 1>the area here, and they had a ton of questions

662
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:02.039
<v Speaker 1>and we had a great conversation, and I remember like, oh, yeah,

663
00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:05.200
<v Speaker 1>I love talking to people who don't know anything about

664
00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:08.880
<v Speaker 1>the subject, you know, because they have such genuine questions

665
00:32:09.039 --> 00:32:11.920
<v Speaker 1>rather than as you know, sometimes sometimes when you talk

666
00:32:11.960 --> 00:32:13.759
<v Speaker 1>to people who know about the subject, you get deep

667
00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:15.480
<v Speaker 1>on the minute show and it's really fun. And then

668
00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:18.440
<v Speaker 1>sometimes it's just like, well, why don't you think that

669
00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:21.240
<v Speaker 1>they're interdimensionally you know, And it's just like you both

670
00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:23.960
<v Speaker 1>believe in the reality of the subject, but you disagree

671
00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:26.519
<v Speaker 1>on its origins or causes. So it's nice to talk

672
00:32:26.559 --> 00:32:28.759
<v Speaker 1>to normies about sasquatch every once in a while.

673
00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:31.720
<v Speaker 2>It's refreshing, I guess, you know, of course. That's what

674
00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:34.319
<v Speaker 2>it's like working at the shop, though, like every day,

675
00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:37.880
<v Speaker 2>every day somebody comes in that, you know, doesn't know.

676
00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:41.759
<v Speaker 2>I mean, ninety five percent, ninety nine percent of our clientele,

677
00:32:41.880 --> 00:32:44.400
<v Speaker 2>ninety five i'd say of our clientele are just what

678
00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:46.799
<v Speaker 2>I call civilians. You know, they just don't know anything

679
00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:49.440
<v Speaker 2>about it. They maybe watch the shows or something like that,

680
00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:52.039
<v Speaker 2>or'll read a news item if it crosses their news

681
00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:53.759
<v Speaker 2>feed or something, but they don't know anything about the

682
00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:56.839
<v Speaker 2>subject really. So it's a rare bird that comes in

683
00:32:57.240 --> 00:33:00.160
<v Speaker 2>that starts like spitting truce about Bigfoot, you know, and

684
00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:02.200
<v Speaker 2>when they do, they stand out and we will usually

685
00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:04.039
<v Speaker 2>end up hanging out or having a beer or something

686
00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:06.240
<v Speaker 2>like that. That's how I met Kelly Lemieux. You know,

687
00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:09.240
<v Speaker 2>cherry bass player comes an. He's spitting stuff about Kranz

688
00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:11.839
<v Speaker 2>and Meldrum and stuff. I go, oh, dude, you seem

689
00:33:11.839 --> 00:33:13.440
<v Speaker 2>to know something. He goes, dude, I can teach a

690
00:33:13.480 --> 00:33:17.680
<v Speaker 2>class on this. It's like, oh, let me school you

691
00:33:17.720 --> 00:33:20.279
<v Speaker 2>for a little bit. And then I put him in

692
00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:24.960
<v Speaker 2>his place and now we're good friends. They should be

693
00:33:24.960 --> 00:33:26.519
<v Speaker 2>back soon. He's been on tour. I'm going to take

694
00:33:26.599 --> 00:33:28.279
<v Speaker 2>him big Foot in November when he gets back.

695
00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:30.759
<v Speaker 1>I guess you guys probably get that a lot because

696
00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:33.079
<v Speaker 1>you're on this big TV show with a lot of exposure,

697
00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:35.920
<v Speaker 1>and so all sorts of normal people who don't follow

698
00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:39.440
<v Speaker 1>the subject have been exposed to that show. But for me, like,

699
00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:42.000
<v Speaker 1>I've always been such a background character that it's like

700
00:33:42.680 --> 00:33:46.759
<v Speaker 1>only like the squatchiest of squatchers have any idea that

701
00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:48.920
<v Speaker 1>I exist, you know what I mean. So usually I'm

702
00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:52.559
<v Speaker 1>speaking to other squatters and not normies. So it was

703
00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:55.559
<v Speaker 1>nice to sit down and chat with normies about the

704
00:33:56.119 --> 00:33:57.000
<v Speaker 1>whole subject.

705
00:33:57.519 --> 00:33:59.680
<v Speaker 2>It's a change of pace and it's always welcome because

706
00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:02.559
<v Speaker 2>most of my talking to bigfooters, as you guys, I

707
00:34:02.559 --> 00:34:04.759
<v Speaker 2>don't try to. I don't get out much, you know.

708
00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:06.599
<v Speaker 2>I get to hang out Larry tomorrow, but it's mostly

709
00:34:06.640 --> 00:34:08.840
<v Speaker 2>you guys that I talked to about bigfoot stuff, so

710
00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:10.280
<v Speaker 2>I get more than my fair fix.

711
00:34:11.159 --> 00:34:13.039
<v Speaker 1>All my friends, for the most part, are people who

712
00:34:13.159 --> 00:34:15.119
<v Speaker 1>have been doing this a lot longer than me and

713
00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:16.320
<v Speaker 1>know a lot more than me.

714
00:34:16.519 --> 00:34:16.719
<v Speaker 3>You know.

715
00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:19.760
<v Speaker 1>I always want to be, you know, the weak link

716
00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:21.960
<v Speaker 1>in the room, like I'm here to learn, you know.

717
00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:23.360
<v Speaker 6>And it's funny.

718
00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:27.079
<v Speaker 1>We had one guest on who is an expert in

719
00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:29.760
<v Speaker 1>a different subject matter, but it's a great student of

720
00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:31.039
<v Speaker 1>the sasquatch phenomenon.

721
00:34:31.559 --> 00:34:32.639
<v Speaker 6>And I love this guy.

722
00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:35.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't mean this disparagingly, but after we had him on,

723
00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:38.000
<v Speaker 1>he called me because we hang out and talk a lot,

724
00:34:38.039 --> 00:34:41.039
<v Speaker 1>and he was like, no, I'm really surprised Cliff and

725
00:34:41.039 --> 00:34:44.239
<v Speaker 1>Bobo didn't ask me about like sasquatch stuff. And I

726
00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:46.519
<v Speaker 1>was like, dude, what are you going to tell Cliff

727
00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:49.320
<v Speaker 1>and Bobo about the sasquatch that they don't already know?

728
00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:53.840
<v Speaker 1>And he was like, fairpoint, fair point, this guest is,

729
00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:55.559
<v Speaker 1>you know, not someone who's in the field a lot.

730
00:34:55.599 --> 00:34:57.800
<v Speaker 1>Like he's a very well read student of the subject,

731
00:34:57.800 --> 00:34:59.639
<v Speaker 1>but it's not like he's been engaged in the field

732
00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:03.159
<v Speaker 1>and interfacing with witnesses and evidence and you know, like

733
00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:06.639
<v Speaker 1>pushing the envelope, so to speak, in the field and

734
00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:08.800
<v Speaker 1>that kind of thing. So it made sense that we

735
00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:11.400
<v Speaker 1>talked about his main area of expertise. But I just

736
00:35:11.400 --> 00:35:13.599
<v Speaker 1>thought it was funny because that was my responses. I

737
00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:15.400
<v Speaker 1>was like, dude, what are you going to tell Cliff

738
00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:16.920
<v Speaker 1>and Bobo man that he was like.

739
00:35:16.880 --> 00:35:17.280
<v Speaker 6>You're right.

740
00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:22.280
<v Speaker 2>I had a similar conversation. I guess the other day

741
00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:24.519
<v Speaker 2>in the shop, somebody was asking me if I had

742
00:35:24.519 --> 00:35:26.920
<v Speaker 2>seen this certain thing on television or whatever like that,

743
00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:30.440
<v Speaker 2>and I just got no, No, I don't watch Bigfoot TV.

744
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:33.280
<v Speaker 2>What am I going to learn from big Foot TV? Man?

745
00:35:33.400 --> 00:35:35.679
<v Speaker 2>And I prefaced it though, to say, like this may

746
00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:37.440
<v Speaker 2>sound really arrogant, but like, what am I going to

747
00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:41.559
<v Speaker 2>learn from Bigfoot TV? You know, I learned about TV

748
00:35:41.800 --> 00:35:44.239
<v Speaker 2>through Bigfoot and that was enough for me. But I'm

749
00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:46.440
<v Speaker 2>not going to learn about Bigfoot through TV because if

750
00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:50.639
<v Speaker 2>anything extraordinary or important is a better word, if anything

751
00:35:50.679 --> 00:35:54.119
<v Speaker 2>important happens, I'm going to hear about it through other means.

752
00:35:54.639 --> 00:35:56.039
<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm not going to learn about it through

753
00:35:56.039 --> 00:35:58.960
<v Speaker 2>the History Channel or you know, Travel channel or what

754
00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Discovery or something.

755
00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:04.559
<v Speaker 3>Speaking of Witch, that video sent last night, you said,

756
00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:05.639
<v Speaker 3>you know that guy proved.

757
00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:07.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And the guy that sent that to me took

758
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:09.480
<v Speaker 2>a closer look and he's pretty sure it's a possum now,

759
00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:10.119
<v Speaker 2>by the way.

760
00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:13.960
<v Speaker 3>Oh really throwing down branches and stuff.

761
00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:17.199
<v Speaker 2>Throwing down branches. Yeah, it's just the dark figure in

762
00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:20.559
<v Speaker 2>the ice shine and the trees and stuff, the trees.

763
00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:21.480
<v Speaker 3>Getting shicked really hard.

764
00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:23.559
<v Speaker 6>You might've seen a different video.

765
00:36:23.639 --> 00:36:26.440
<v Speaker 1>This one was just like a night vision footage, and

766
00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:29.199
<v Speaker 1>there's one tree that grows out sort of at an angle,

767
00:36:29.599 --> 00:36:32.360
<v Speaker 1>almost like a forty five degree angle at points, and

768
00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:35.079
<v Speaker 1>then there's this black blob that kind of rises up.

769
00:36:35.599 --> 00:36:37.519
<v Speaker 1>You could see how someone would interpret that as like

770
00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:39.440
<v Speaker 1>the top of a head, like a head peeking up

771
00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:41.320
<v Speaker 1>and over and then it just drops back down. But

772
00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:43.119
<v Speaker 1>it also does have that look of like a small

773
00:36:43.159 --> 00:36:47.000
<v Speaker 1>critter starting to climb up and over and then letting

774
00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:47.800
<v Speaker 1>itself back down.

775
00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:50.519
<v Speaker 3>Is it the one where he's like straight outside his house?

776
00:36:50.559 --> 00:36:53.639
<v Speaker 5>And because I just saw the picture of the video,

777
00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:54.679
<v Speaker 5>didn't actually play.

778
00:36:54.480 --> 00:36:56.719
<v Speaker 6>It, No, I know which one you're talking about. That's

779
00:36:56.760 --> 00:36:57.679
<v Speaker 6>a totally different video.

780
00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:01.639
<v Speaker 5>Oh okay, okay, I thought yeah, because I didn't actually

781
00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:03.119
<v Speaker 5>I didn't think get the video of the play on

782
00:37:03.239 --> 00:37:05.400
<v Speaker 5>a two week a signal. But I just saw like

783
00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:08.800
<v Speaker 5>the frame you know, freeze stream with the first frame whatever,

784
00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:10.239
<v Speaker 5>and I thought, oh, it's that video.

785
00:37:11.480 --> 00:37:12.119
<v Speaker 3>What do you think of that one?

786
00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:13.519
<v Speaker 5>Are the ones up and the tree of the guys

787
00:37:13.519 --> 00:37:15.199
<v Speaker 5>out there and he's like, I'm going back on the porch.

788
00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:17.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that one's pretty strange. Quite a few people have

789
00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:19.880
<v Speaker 1>sent that to me, but I don't know. It's so

790
00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:22.360
<v Speaker 1>hard to tell with all that social media stuff because

791
00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:25.000
<v Speaker 1>it's posted on so many different sites and every site

792
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:28.480
<v Speaker 1>claims to be the guy who filmed it, every different channel.

793
00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:30.239
<v Speaker 1>It's one of those things like there's so many of

794
00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:34.719
<v Speaker 1>those viral TikTok things or YouTube shorts or Instagram reels.

795
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:37.280
<v Speaker 1>You know a lot of them are sound only, and

796
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:39.119
<v Speaker 1>they use the same sound effects, so it's like the

797
00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:41.320
<v Speaker 1>same scream and the same howl in the background with

798
00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:44.800
<v Speaker 1>like different you know, visual images different. It's like someone

799
00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:47.119
<v Speaker 1>goes out and films the woods and then they overdub

800
00:37:47.280 --> 00:37:50.760
<v Speaker 1>that sound effect into it. And I just get so

801
00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:55.400
<v Speaker 1>inundated with that stuff, not only from other researchers or

802
00:37:55.480 --> 00:37:59.000
<v Speaker 1>sasquash enthusiasts or like Normis will send me that stuff.

803
00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:00.719
<v Speaker 1>But then you know a lot of our listeners are like, hey,

804
00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:03.800
<v Speaker 1>have you guys seen this? And so there's at this point,

805
00:38:04.199 --> 00:38:06.480
<v Speaker 1>there's got to be many hundreds of those, if not

806
00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:09.880
<v Speaker 1>like thousands out there. And a friend of mine messaged

807
00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:12.079
<v Speaker 1>me yesterday and he was like, are we just at

808
00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:13.760
<v Speaker 1>the point where we have to ignore this stuff? And

809
00:38:13.760 --> 00:38:15.639
<v Speaker 1>I was like, yeah, I think so until there's like

810
00:38:16.119 --> 00:38:19.079
<v Speaker 1>something really compelling or it's someone really credible. I'm like,

811
00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:22.119
<v Speaker 1>to me, it's just unknowable. Like half the time people

812
00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:23.320
<v Speaker 1>are like, what do you think about this? I'm like,

813
00:38:23.360 --> 00:38:25.639
<v Speaker 1>I have no idea, man, I don't know the backstory.

814
00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:28.199
<v Speaker 1>I don't know who recorded it, I don't know who

815
00:38:28.239 --> 00:38:31.239
<v Speaker 1>posted it, like, and I don't think I can know

816
00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:33.559
<v Speaker 1>if you were to try, I'm not going to try

817
00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:36.360
<v Speaker 1>to salute this out. And even if you did, like great,

818
00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:38.639
<v Speaker 1>it's just another howl in the dark or a branch

819
00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:40.639
<v Speaker 1>breaking in the distance, Like, so.

820
00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:44.199
<v Speaker 2>What now with that background in context? You just can't

821
00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:48.519
<v Speaker 2>say much about anything nowadays, unless unless it's of such

822
00:38:48.599 --> 00:38:52.000
<v Speaker 2>poor quality it couldn't be AI, right.

823
00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:53.920
<v Speaker 1>See, that's the thing that one of the things the

824
00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:56.039
<v Speaker 1>Normy's asked, and a lot of people ask this question.

825
00:38:56.079 --> 00:38:58.159
<v Speaker 1>We've seen it from listeners. But people say, like, well,

826
00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:01.119
<v Speaker 1>with AI, our pictures to mean anything. And so I

827
00:39:01.119 --> 00:39:03.000
<v Speaker 1>think that there's a way that they would like if

828
00:39:03.039 --> 00:39:06.320
<v Speaker 1>you uploaded the raw video, whether it's from your smartphone

829
00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:09.000
<v Speaker 1>or a DSLR camera or some kind of you know,

830
00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:13.079
<v Speaker 1>professional grade camera photo or video, you could upload the

831
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:15.920
<v Speaker 1>raw file and put it on something like the blockchain,

832
00:39:16.559 --> 00:39:19.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, where it's identifiable to you and anyone would

833
00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:22.000
<v Speaker 1>be able to see that it is the raw file,

834
00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:23.920
<v Speaker 1>and then there will be a whole other debate like

835
00:39:23.960 --> 00:39:26.639
<v Speaker 1>there is in the Patterson footage, Like no one debates

836
00:39:26.800 --> 00:39:30.000
<v Speaker 1>that if the Patterson footage is CGI or AI, because

837
00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:32.360
<v Speaker 1>none of that existed. So then the debate is like,

838
00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:35.000
<v Speaker 1>this is a real film, but what's it? A film

839
00:39:35.079 --> 00:39:37.360
<v Speaker 1>of an animal or a guy in a suit. And

840
00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:40.159
<v Speaker 1>the same will be true with photos and videos, even

841
00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:44.480
<v Speaker 1>if you can authenticate that they are legitimate, it'll be like, Okay,

842
00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:46.639
<v Speaker 1>well we know that's not AI, but what is it of?

843
00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:49.000
<v Speaker 1>Is it a mock up or a maquette or a

844
00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:50.440
<v Speaker 1>suit or a statue.

845
00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:51.079
<v Speaker 6>Or whatever the case may be.

846
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:55.360
<v Speaker 2>I think that for me, at least for me in

847
00:39:55.400 --> 00:39:59.400
<v Speaker 2>whatever position I find myself in the Bigfoot world at

848
00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:02.719
<v Speaker 2>this moment, the best defense against that is just trying

849
00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:05.920
<v Speaker 2>to retain my brand of honesty. I guess, for lack

850
00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:09.639
<v Speaker 2>of a better term, you know, I think that if

851
00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:12.599
<v Speaker 2>I came back with a video that was even half

852
00:40:12.639 --> 00:40:15.760
<v Speaker 2>as good as the Patterson Gimlin film, a lot of people,

853
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:19.320
<v Speaker 2>and frankly a lot of skeptics, I believe, would probably

854
00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:22.639
<v Speaker 2>come to my defense and say that I was hoaxed

855
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:24.719
<v Speaker 2>or something, because they certainly wouldn't believe still that I

856
00:40:24.719 --> 00:40:26.639
<v Speaker 2>don't think anything's going to change that short of a body.

857
00:40:26.920 --> 00:40:29.559
<v Speaker 2>But I don't I even you know, I could. I'm

858
00:40:29.559 --> 00:40:31.199
<v Speaker 2>not gonna throw names around anything, but I can think

859
00:40:31.239 --> 00:40:35.039
<v Speaker 2>of a couple pretty high profile skeptics that would not

860
00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:38.440
<v Speaker 2>accuse me of hoaxing anything, you know. I would like

861
00:40:38.480 --> 00:40:41.119
<v Speaker 2>to think that. Maybe I'm wrong though, maybe I'm overestimating

862
00:40:41.159 --> 00:40:44.599
<v Speaker 2>the humanity of that world. I don't know, but I

863
00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:50.000
<v Speaker 2>think that retaining a good reputation of honesty and you know, trustworthiness,

864
00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:53.719
<v Speaker 2>I suppose, might be the best defense one has nowadays.

865
00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:56.880
<v Speaker 2>But of course, honestly, the good films are probably just

866
00:40:56.920 --> 00:41:00.920
<v Speaker 2>going to come from the public and not bigfoot researcher

867
00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:04.400
<v Speaker 2>who's invested their life, you know. So I don't know.

868
00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:09.039
<v Speaker 2>I think beyond the XIF information and all the metadata

869
00:41:09.039 --> 00:41:10.880
<v Speaker 2>and all that sort of stuff, that that might be

870
00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:13.639
<v Speaker 2>one's best defense nowadays. It's like, keep your nose clean

871
00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:16.119
<v Speaker 2>and always tell the truth, even if it's ugly, and

872
00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:18.840
<v Speaker 2>then you'll probably earn a reputation hopefully that reflects that.

873
00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:22.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and be just as transparent as possible with all

874
00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:25.760
<v Speaker 1>the facts, and you know, a really solid follow up,

875
00:41:25.840 --> 00:41:29.159
<v Speaker 1>like in the case of Bart Katino's thermal footage. You know,

876
00:41:29.239 --> 00:41:31.920
<v Speaker 1>it was the strength of their follow up investigation that

877
00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:35.559
<v Speaker 1>swayed a skeptic like Phil Polling. And there's you know,

878
00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:38.760
<v Speaker 1>great coverage of that in one of those recent installments

879
00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:42.719
<v Speaker 1>of Eli Watson's Mountains of Mystery series on small town monsters.

880
00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:45.000
<v Speaker 1>I'll link that in the show notes. But you know,

881
00:41:45.079 --> 00:41:47.159
<v Speaker 1>on its own, that thermal footage, you know, the figures

882
00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:50.360
<v Speaker 1>are far away, they're mostly obscured. It's not the highest

883
00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:52.639
<v Speaker 1>resolution thermal I remember, there were some issues going on

884
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:55.360
<v Speaker 1>with that. I think it was the H three twenty

885
00:41:55.400 --> 00:41:58.559
<v Speaker 1>four that Bart was using. But it was the strength

886
00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:02.079
<v Speaker 1>and the thoroughness of that follow up investigation and everything

887
00:42:02.079 --> 00:42:04.480
<v Speaker 1>they filmed and measured, like to the inth degree where

888
00:42:04.519 --> 00:42:07.519
<v Speaker 1>it's almost like overkilled. But that alone goes to show

889
00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:10.480
<v Speaker 1>you that, like, Nope, there's something really compelling going on there,

890
00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:14.440
<v Speaker 1>compelling enough to sway someone who was previously highly skeptical.

891
00:42:14.840 --> 00:42:16.360
<v Speaker 1>And I think you would do a great job of

892
00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:19.119
<v Speaker 1>doing that sort of a follow up investigation or a

893
00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:22.239
<v Speaker 1>follow up recreation all the above, you know, I think

894
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:23.480
<v Speaker 1>that would go a long way too.

895
00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:26.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would be. I'd be thrilled to do a

896
00:42:26.599 --> 00:42:31.440
<v Speaker 2>follow up on something I got. Stay tuned for more

897
00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:34.480
<v Speaker 2>Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo will be right

898
00:42:34.519 --> 00:42:35.719
<v Speaker 2>back after these messages.

899
00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:45.519
<v Speaker 1>When I was thinking about mockups, there's a few out

900
00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:49.960
<v Speaker 1>there that are definitely like still figures, and there's still images,

901
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:53.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, they're not obviously like movies or videos. But

902
00:42:54.199 --> 00:42:56.559
<v Speaker 1>I always thought the best looking one was that mockup

903
00:42:56.639 --> 00:42:59.239
<v Speaker 1>that was that Cliff Crook put out into the world.

904
00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:03.239
<v Speaker 1>We don't know who made it, but they what was

905
00:43:03.280 --> 00:43:06.519
<v Speaker 1>those called the Wild Creak photos. Yeah, yeah, and you know,

906
00:43:06.599 --> 00:43:09.519
<v Speaker 1>there's there's actually like fourteen of those out there, and

907
00:43:09.559 --> 00:43:11.599
<v Speaker 1>I think I have like eight or ten or twelve.

908
00:43:11.719 --> 00:43:13.159
<v Speaker 6>I've got quite a few of them.

909
00:43:13.480 --> 00:43:16.599
<v Speaker 1>But it's very clearly like a roughly eighteen inch tall

910
00:43:17.320 --> 00:43:20.840
<v Speaker 1>figure posed, you know, like a little statuette or something,

911
00:43:20.840 --> 00:43:23.079
<v Speaker 1>but it has hair affixed to it. But it's really

912
00:43:23.079 --> 00:43:25.360
<v Speaker 1>cool looking. Like I always thought that was the coolest

913
00:43:25.400 --> 00:43:28.599
<v Speaker 1>of all the fakes because it is really high detail,

914
00:43:28.639 --> 00:43:31.679
<v Speaker 1>and you know, that looks like still from a movie

915
00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:32.559
<v Speaker 1>or something.

916
00:43:32.639 --> 00:43:35.079
<v Speaker 2>That a little thing was made was used for another

917
00:43:35.119 --> 00:43:38.480
<v Speaker 2>fake back in the day. One of those documentaries probably

918
00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:41.039
<v Speaker 2>in the nineties or something, and I couldn't begin to

919
00:43:41.039 --> 00:43:44.280
<v Speaker 2>tell you what it was called. They have a video montage,

920
00:43:44.360 --> 00:43:49.239
<v Speaker 2>perhaps a better term up a bunch of photographs, supposed photographs,

921
00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:52.039
<v Speaker 2>or maybe even fakes of sasquatches. I remember one of

922
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:54.519
<v Speaker 2>them was very a ring like, very orange and a

923
00:43:54.599 --> 00:43:58.800
<v Speaker 2>ring like. But there was that same little statuette was

924
00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:01.039
<v Speaker 2>in that montage from a different angle.

925
00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:04.320
<v Speaker 6>Yep, that's the A and E Ancient Mysteries special.

926
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:05.159
<v Speaker 2>There you go.

927
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:08.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I'll post those pictures for the pigeons too,

928
00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:11.320
<v Speaker 1>because that was such a cool little mock up. And

929
00:44:11.360 --> 00:44:12.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, there was this sort of loophole in the

930
00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:15.280
<v Speaker 1>story like, oh, hey, someone gave me these, someone who

931
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:17.719
<v Speaker 1>worked for the for service. I never said I took these,

932
00:44:18.280 --> 00:44:20.760
<v Speaker 1>and that may very well be true. I don't know,

933
00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:24.599
<v Speaker 1>but you know, something like that. If you had great

934
00:44:24.639 --> 00:44:28.280
<v Speaker 1>still photos, that would be the question. Then if people go, okay, well,

935
00:44:28.360 --> 00:44:30.360
<v Speaker 1>you know again, if you uploaded the raw files and

936
00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:32.880
<v Speaker 1>anyone can download them and see like, these are the

937
00:44:33.039 --> 00:44:36.639
<v Speaker 1>raw camera files, they are unaltered, they're not digitally generated,

938
00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:38.840
<v Speaker 1>then the question would be like, well, what is it

939
00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:41.199
<v Speaker 1>in the photograph? It's a real photograph, but what is

940
00:44:41.239 --> 00:44:44.519
<v Speaker 1>it of sort of like the Jacob's photos or as

941
00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:49.119
<v Speaker 1>I was thinking of the Dwayne Freeman photos that Paul's

942
00:44:49.159 --> 00:44:51.599
<v Speaker 1>son Dwayne got. They're credited to Paul Freeman, but he

943
00:44:51.599 --> 00:44:54.079
<v Speaker 1>didn't take those. Dwayne got those while they were hunting.

944
00:44:54.360 --> 00:44:57.199
<v Speaker 1>There's about what four of them, I think, or three

945
00:44:57.280 --> 00:45:00.719
<v Speaker 1>or four of them, and they're actually really good photographs,

946
00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:05.400
<v Speaker 1>still photographs of a sasquatch, And because there are blue

947
00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:08.559
<v Speaker 1>mountain evidence, people don't think they're real. But Paul didn't

948
00:45:08.559 --> 00:45:11.000
<v Speaker 1>see the animal. He didn't even see the thing that day.

949
00:45:11.039 --> 00:45:13.400
<v Speaker 1>There's audio recordings of him telling the story of what

950
00:45:13.480 --> 00:45:16.239
<v Speaker 1>actually happened that day. Yeah, And of course I've recently

951
00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:18.400
<v Speaker 1>made contact with Dwayne and I'm looking forward to having

952
00:45:18.440 --> 00:45:21.960
<v Speaker 1>a conversation with him about those particular pieces of footage

953
00:45:21.960 --> 00:45:24.800
<v Speaker 1>there that those films, not not the films, but the photographs,

954
00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:26.800
<v Speaker 1>because I think there's a lot to learn in those.

955
00:45:26.920 --> 00:45:28.079
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they're very, very.

956
00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:30.679
<v Speaker 2>Interesting, and they do look especially the ones where the

957
00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:33.840
<v Speaker 2>things walking away, it looks a lot like the Patterson

958
00:45:33.920 --> 00:45:37.440
<v Speaker 2>Gimlin film. Man, it really really does. Yeah, I don't know.

959
00:45:37.480 --> 00:45:41.199
<v Speaker 2>I think those are fascinating pictures and likely real, likely

960
00:45:41.239 --> 00:45:45.360
<v Speaker 2>real people think, oh, Paul Framan, he hopes is was.

961
00:45:45.559 --> 00:45:47.360
<v Speaker 2>He was hundreds is like one hundred and fifty two

962
00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:50.280
<v Speaker 2>hundred yards away at that time. He didn't even see

963
00:45:50.320 --> 00:45:53.320
<v Speaker 2>the animal. It walked right by Dwayne, and he's the

964
00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:55.960
<v Speaker 2>guy they got those pictures. Really interesting things.

965
00:45:56.400 --> 00:45:59.000
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it looks a lot lankier in those side views.

966
00:45:59.719 --> 00:46:02.320
<v Speaker 2>That's an optical illusion. There are plants in the way,

967
00:46:02.360 --> 00:46:05.039
<v Speaker 2>there are bushes obscuring part of the body.

968
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:08.679
<v Speaker 1>Oh, interesting, because I've only seen those with you, like,

969
00:46:08.760 --> 00:46:10.639
<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't have those, but I have seen,

970
00:46:10.679 --> 00:46:14.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, the couple that were disseminated in like newspapers

971
00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:15.559
<v Speaker 1>at the time, and I think they wound up in

972
00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:17.760
<v Speaker 1>a few books, and a few of them are online,

973
00:46:17.840 --> 00:46:20.039
<v Speaker 1>so I'll link to those for the pigeons as well.

974
00:46:20.079 --> 00:46:21.199
<v Speaker 6>I'll put those in a patrioch.

975
00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:23.880
<v Speaker 5>All the photos are up there that are available, or

976
00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:27.400
<v Speaker 5>I'll get them on the web because i've uh, Mike

977
00:46:27.519 --> 00:46:29.719
<v Speaker 5>sent me, Michael sent me like two of them a

978
00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:30.679
<v Speaker 5>long time ago.

979
00:46:31.039 --> 00:46:33.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think there's only two that I've ever seen online.

980
00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:37.400
<v Speaker 1>But there are others from that event, you know, from

981
00:46:37.400 --> 00:46:38.480
<v Speaker 1>that film reel or.

982
00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:39.039
<v Speaker 6>Whatever, you know.

983
00:46:39.760 --> 00:46:42.119
<v Speaker 1>Some of those I do recall seeing, like it's walking

984
00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:45.199
<v Speaker 1>sort of like left to right. It appears and it

985
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:49.719
<v Speaker 1>looks lankier. Then it's not as but it's almost like

986
00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:54.320
<v Speaker 1>you have Patterson, the Patterson creatures semi turned towards the camera,

987
00:46:54.360 --> 00:46:56.519
<v Speaker 1>so you're seeing some of that breadth, like shoulder to

988
00:46:56.559 --> 00:46:59.559
<v Speaker 1>shoulder breadth across the chest. This thing was like the

989
00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:04.360
<v Speaker 1>shoulder straightforward almost like you know, it was moving in

990
00:47:04.400 --> 00:47:06.960
<v Speaker 1>a direction it's like parallel to the camera lens, so

991
00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:09.960
<v Speaker 1>not coming at the camera, but straight left right.

992
00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:11.760
<v Speaker 6>And I was like, oh, that's that's interesting.

993
00:47:11.760 --> 00:47:15.119
<v Speaker 1>It looks a bit lankier than I would have expected

994
00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:17.880
<v Speaker 1>or guessed or something, which is how people describe like

995
00:47:18.039 --> 00:47:19.840
<v Speaker 1>what I would think would be subadults.

996
00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:21.800
<v Speaker 2>Give me a minute, I'll send it to you.

997
00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:23.199
<v Speaker 6>It would be.

998
00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:26.559
<v Speaker 1>Great for you to get that story firsthand. And how

999
00:47:26.599 --> 00:47:28.639
<v Speaker 1>far was that from like deduct or some of the

1000
00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:29.599
<v Speaker 1>other famous spots.

1001
00:47:29.679 --> 00:47:31.239
<v Speaker 2>It was on the other side of the watershed. Who's

1002
00:47:31.239 --> 00:47:32.320
<v Speaker 2>over on Biscuit Ridge?

1003
00:47:32.800 --> 00:47:34.880
<v Speaker 6>Is that like several miles? Many miles?

1004
00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:38.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I don't know, five miles, gotcha? Maybe I don't.

1005
00:47:38.599 --> 00:47:40.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how why the watershed is, So that's

1006
00:47:40.760 --> 00:47:43.719
<v Speaker 2>a good question. Okay. I found a hold on sick.

1007
00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:46.159
<v Speaker 2>I'll just text them to you guys if that works.

1008
00:47:46.880 --> 00:47:48.679
<v Speaker 6>Yes, sir, that's the one.

1009
00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:51.280
<v Speaker 1>I uh yeah, that's the one that was published in

1010
00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:53.679
<v Speaker 1>newspapers and is in a few books and is on

1011
00:47:53.719 --> 00:47:54.719
<v Speaker 1>the internet.

1012
00:47:55.159 --> 00:47:56.960
<v Speaker 2>Here's probably the one that you're talking about that's lanky.

1013
00:47:57.119 --> 00:48:00.000
<v Speaker 2>That's not the one that has an optical illusion though

1014
00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:02.360
<v Speaker 2>that was just a weird position for it to be in.

1015
00:48:03.039 --> 00:48:05.320
<v Speaker 1>We haven't seen this one, so yeah, that's the one

1016
00:48:05.320 --> 00:48:07.679
<v Speaker 1>that to me looks like the way that people describe

1017
00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:11.079
<v Speaker 1>a subadult. I mean, you can see how much the

1018
00:48:11.159 --> 00:48:13.480
<v Speaker 1>head is like below how much of the head is

1019
00:48:13.519 --> 00:48:14.880
<v Speaker 1>below the shoulders.

1020
00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:17.039
<v Speaker 3>There sounds like a dude to be kind.

1021
00:48:16.880 --> 00:48:20.280
<v Speaker 1>Of yeah, but look look where the shoulders sort of terminate,

1022
00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:24.440
<v Speaker 1>like near the brow ridge, where you know the eyes

1023
00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:24.840
<v Speaker 1>would be.

1024
00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:25.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1025
00:48:25.320 --> 00:48:28.039
<v Speaker 1>See, I mean that would be hard for a person

1026
00:48:28.119 --> 00:48:29.119
<v Speaker 1>to get in that position.

1027
00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:31.840
<v Speaker 2>No, And I just found a map. I found this

1028
00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:36.679
<v Speaker 2>really nice topo map that Meldrum pinpointed where these pictures

1029
00:48:36.679 --> 00:48:41.000
<v Speaker 2>were taken and also pinpointed where the original June tenth,

1030
00:48:41.119 --> 00:48:43.639
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty two encounter was. And I was a little

1031
00:48:43.639 --> 00:48:46.199
<v Speaker 2>bit off on the eighty two encounter. I thought that

1032
00:48:46.239 --> 00:48:48.079
<v Speaker 2>was like maybe half a mile away or a mile away.

1033
00:48:48.280 --> 00:48:50.480
<v Speaker 2>But it turns out that I was, I can get

1034
00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:55.039
<v Speaker 2>there apparently it's unless things have changed since eighty two

1035
00:48:55.239 --> 00:48:58.719
<v Speaker 2>or whenever. It's not technically in the watershed, so I

1036
00:48:58.719 --> 00:48:59.760
<v Speaker 2>can actually get to the spot.

1037
00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:01.639
<v Speaker 3>Crazy.

1038
00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:04.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that one of the kind of PG posed

1039
00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:07.559
<v Speaker 2>there A lot of the body is obscured by brush.

1040
00:49:08.079 --> 00:49:10.079
<v Speaker 1>See, I had not seen that one. The one I

1041
00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:12.880
<v Speaker 1>was thinking of when I said it's like side on

1042
00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:16.199
<v Speaker 1>with the lens, is that the one decent words, You

1043
00:49:16.239 --> 00:49:19.079
<v Speaker 1>can see that the shoulders relative to the position of

1044
00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:21.280
<v Speaker 1>the head, like the shoulders are like even with the

1045
00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:22.400
<v Speaker 1>brow ridge almost.

1046
00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:25.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't have a real big problem with that one,

1047
00:49:25.760 --> 00:49:28.679
<v Speaker 2>you know. I mean, that's that's the least convincing one there,

1048
00:49:28.719 --> 00:49:30.760
<v Speaker 2>I think, except for maybe the we're a lot of

1049
00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:34.079
<v Speaker 2>the body's obscured. But that that early one. Man, that

1050
00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:36.840
<v Speaker 2>that one looks just amazing to me. That looks very

1051
00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:37.440
<v Speaker 2>very good.

1052
00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:41.760
<v Speaker 3>This is strange photo. Yeah, it was.

1053
00:49:41.840 --> 00:49:43.960
<v Speaker 5>It was a film, like I'm pretty sure right, it

1054
00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:47.079
<v Speaker 5>was just it was camera film. Yeah, so they should

1055
00:49:47.119 --> 00:49:48.880
<v Speaker 5>be like, can't they clear it up more like a

1056
00:49:48.920 --> 00:49:50.360
<v Speaker 5>professional cleaning up really good?

1057
00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:53.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I'm hoping that the negatives are around

1058
00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:56.840
<v Speaker 2>here somewhere. I don't know if Michael has them or not,

1059
00:49:56.920 --> 00:50:01.239
<v Speaker 2>but Michael, hopefully Michael has the negatives of these and

1060
00:50:01.519 --> 00:50:02.719
<v Speaker 2>you can bring them out because we're going to do

1061
00:50:02.719 --> 00:50:05.199
<v Speaker 2>an event with Michael in December.

1062
00:50:06.039 --> 00:50:07.679
<v Speaker 3>Oh thanks for something close cool.

1063
00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:11.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, they're neat. They're neat and of course the

1064
00:50:11.280 --> 00:50:15.440
<v Speaker 2>Freeman names on it, so they got to be fake supposedly, right.

1065
00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:17.519
<v Speaker 1>Like I said, I'll link to the ones that are

1066
00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:20.039
<v Speaker 1>already online for the pigeons there so they can check

1067
00:50:20.079 --> 00:50:20.920
<v Speaker 1>those out.

1068
00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:21.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1069
00:50:21.400 --> 00:50:24.800
<v Speaker 2>And of course, and in Michael's book, one of the

1070
00:50:24.880 --> 00:50:27.519
<v Speaker 2>QR codes of these pictures are in Michael's book. By

1071
00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:30.119
<v Speaker 2>the way, in the Freeman Files by Michael Freeman, there's

1072
00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:33.840
<v Speaker 2>a QR code of Paul Freeman telling the story of

1073
00:50:33.840 --> 00:50:35.519
<v Speaker 2>that day how these pictures came about.

1074
00:50:35.800 --> 00:50:37.280
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I'll have to go back and listen to that

1075
00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:38.920
<v Speaker 1>because I haven't listened to all the audio clips.

1076
00:50:39.440 --> 00:50:43.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, super interesting. I'll tell you a man, the Blue Mountain.

1077
00:50:43.480 --> 00:50:46.480
<v Speaker 2>The Blue Mountains have a bigger story to tell, much

1078
00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:49.079
<v Speaker 2>bigger story than what people know about.

1079
00:50:49.400 --> 00:50:52.239
<v Speaker 1>Maybe I should endeavor if you if you need a hand,

1080
00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:54.840
<v Speaker 1>because I've never been out there. I've driven through on

1081
00:50:55.000 --> 00:50:58.440
<v Speaker 1>what's the interstate that's kind of near there, that passed

1082
00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:01.880
<v Speaker 1>through there. That's my total exposure to the Blues. So

1083
00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:06.280
<v Speaker 1>maybe I can carve out some time, and if you're

1084
00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:08.320
<v Speaker 1>heading out there to do stuff and need a hand,

1085
00:51:08.400 --> 00:51:10.840
<v Speaker 1>I will volunteer because I'd love to see it and love.

1086
00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:12.840
<v Speaker 6>To see those places. But it would just be great

1087
00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:13.519
<v Speaker 6>to be out there.

1088
00:51:14.159 --> 00:51:16.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh, the Blues are great and I found tracks both

1089
00:51:16.440 --> 00:51:19.000
<v Speaker 2>times I went in the last two years. Yeah, the

1090
00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:20.679
<v Speaker 2>ground out there, and that's not the thing that people

1091
00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:24.920
<v Speaker 2>don't appreciate about the Blues, the substrate. There's a lot

1092
00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:27.679
<v Speaker 2>of bear dirt around. You know, there's a lot of

1093
00:51:27.719 --> 00:51:29.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, stuff and stuff as well, don't get me wrong,

1094
00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:32.239
<v Speaker 2>but there's a lot of bear dirt in that area.

1095
00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:36.159
<v Speaker 2>And that dirt what is the word is a geologic term.

1096
00:51:36.320 --> 00:51:41.119
<v Speaker 2>It's like niece or something like that. LUs l oess. Okay,

1097
00:51:41.119 --> 00:51:44.800
<v Speaker 2>there you go, luss glacial luss glacial runoff that is

1098
00:51:44.880 --> 00:51:47.400
<v Speaker 2>kind of angular, so it holds together really well. Like

1099
00:51:47.440 --> 00:51:50.440
<v Speaker 2>the tracks I found, like really nice tracks, I think,

1100
00:51:50.480 --> 00:51:52.559
<v Speaker 2>and I set you pictures. I can always send you

1101
00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:54.360
<v Speaker 2>more if you want to post it for people. But

1102
00:51:54.760 --> 00:51:57.360
<v Speaker 2>the track I found one of the springs up there

1103
00:51:57.480 --> 00:52:00.679
<v Speaker 2>this past July or August. When I was this past year,

1104
00:52:01.559 --> 00:52:04.800
<v Speaker 2>it was old. It had to be three four weeks

1105
00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:06.599
<v Speaker 2>old or more a month and a half old or something.

1106
00:52:06.760 --> 00:52:10.039
<v Speaker 2>It was quite old, but it still held enough of

1107
00:52:10.039 --> 00:52:12.199
<v Speaker 2>a shape together. You could see the toes, you could

1108
00:52:12.199 --> 00:52:14.039
<v Speaker 2>see the mid tartal pressure ridge, you could see how

1109
00:52:14.079 --> 00:52:17.519
<v Speaker 2>the heel came at a different angle. And it was

1110
00:52:17.559 --> 00:52:21.840
<v Speaker 2>a very very cool track. But it's a tribute to

1111
00:52:21.960 --> 00:52:26.039
<v Speaker 2>the soil which most people, and especially the Scofticks do

1112
00:52:26.119 --> 00:52:28.480
<v Speaker 2>not appreciate, that this soil that you have in the

1113
00:52:28.480 --> 00:52:32.519
<v Speaker 2>Blue Mountains holds tracks really well. Another great example is

1114
00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:35.760
<v Speaker 2>the nineteen ninety one Mill Creek trackway. You know, those

1115
00:52:35.840 --> 00:52:39.320
<v Speaker 2>tracks were laid sometime in the first half of January.

1116
00:52:40.159 --> 00:52:44.280
<v Speaker 2>They were discovered by lay people, Paul and his wife,

1117
00:52:44.320 --> 00:52:46.480
<v Speaker 2>I think Nancy, if I remember. I think that was

1118
00:52:46.480 --> 00:52:49.280
<v Speaker 2>Paul's wife's name. They were having breakfast in a little

1119
00:52:49.280 --> 00:52:53.599
<v Speaker 2>greasy spoon somewhere in Walla, Walla, and they heard somebody

1120
00:52:53.920 --> 00:52:56.719
<v Speaker 2>at the next table talking about bear tracks that they

1121
00:52:56.760 --> 00:53:00.519
<v Speaker 2>had found out in the on Biscuit Ridge five points

1122
00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:03.519
<v Speaker 2>area now by Mill Creek. In there, Coyote Grove and

1123
00:53:03.519 --> 00:53:06.079
<v Speaker 2>all that area, all the same area, same ridge basically,

1124
00:53:06.400 --> 00:53:08.400
<v Speaker 2>and Paul thought that was really weird because it was

1125
00:53:08.519 --> 00:53:10.679
<v Speaker 2>January and there's snow on the ground and what are

1126
00:53:10.719 --> 00:53:14.199
<v Speaker 2>bears doing out now? That's weird. So he called West

1127
00:53:14.239 --> 00:53:15.960
<v Speaker 2>Summerlin and they went and I think checked it out.

1128
00:53:16.440 --> 00:53:18.800
<v Speaker 2>I think West was there when they for I'll find

1129
00:53:18.800 --> 00:53:21.880
<v Speaker 2>out more. That's what Michael's gonna be doing a presentation

1130
00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:25.320
<v Speaker 2>at the NABC in early December. I haven't announced it yet,

1131
00:53:25.719 --> 00:53:27.840
<v Speaker 2>the date or anything like that. No tickets have gone

1132
00:53:27.880 --> 00:53:30.559
<v Speaker 2>on sale or anything. But he's going to be doing

1133
00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:32.639
<v Speaker 2>the presentation, I believe, on the nineteen ninety one track.

1134
00:53:32.679 --> 00:53:34.679
<v Speaker 2>So I'll be learning a lot more through Michael and

1135
00:53:34.719 --> 00:53:37.360
<v Speaker 2>his experience through them. But when they got out there,

1136
00:53:37.400 --> 00:53:40.599
<v Speaker 2>they weren't bear tracks at all. They were sasquash tracks,

1137
00:53:40.960 --> 00:53:43.559
<v Speaker 2>and it was one of the best track ways ever.

1138
00:53:43.599 --> 00:53:45.159
<v Speaker 2>I mean a guy named Greg May who was this

1139
00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:48.159
<v Speaker 2>outdoor survival dude who taught up at Pullman with Krantz.

1140
00:53:48.880 --> 00:53:53.360
<v Speaker 2>He tracked this thing six miles six to eight miles

1141
00:53:53.360 --> 00:53:57.280
<v Speaker 2>into the woods uphill and they say Paul Freeman hoaxed it.

1142
00:53:57.280 --> 00:53:59.800
<v Speaker 2>It was crazy because Paul Freeman was walking with a

1143
00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:02.639
<v Speaker 2>pain at that point in his life. He couldn't go

1144
00:54:02.679 --> 00:54:05.000
<v Speaker 2>more than like thirty yards from the truck. But yet

1145
00:54:05.039 --> 00:54:08.920
<v Speaker 2>he's the guy that please. Is so ridiculous. Anyway, those

1146
00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:12.800
<v Speaker 2>tracks were laid down sometime in the first half of January.

1147
00:54:13.599 --> 00:54:16.400
<v Speaker 2>But I have a track that was cast from that

1148
00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:19.320
<v Speaker 2>same trackway. I have a cast from that same trackway

1149
00:54:19.719 --> 00:54:24.000
<v Speaker 2>that was cast in early February. The point being the

1150
00:54:24.119 --> 00:54:28.000
<v Speaker 2>ground in the Blues holds the impression really, really well

1151
00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:31.719
<v Speaker 2>and for a very long time. Yeah, which is a

1152
00:54:31.760 --> 00:54:36.039
<v Speaker 2>point completely lost on the skeptics. You know, the tracks

1153
00:54:36.039 --> 00:54:41.559
<v Speaker 2>there look so good because so much of the percentage

1154
00:54:41.599 --> 00:54:44.519
<v Speaker 2>of the ground. I guess such a just square yardage

1155
00:54:44.559 --> 00:54:49.000
<v Speaker 2>of ground is conducive to taking tracks, and they stay

1156
00:54:49.000 --> 00:54:50.159
<v Speaker 2>there for a long long time.

1157
00:54:50.960 --> 00:54:51.800
<v Speaker 6>I'd love to see it.

1158
00:54:51.880 --> 00:54:55.360
<v Speaker 1>So if you need a strong back and a weak mind,

1159
00:54:55.639 --> 00:54:56.599
<v Speaker 1>I'll come out there.

1160
00:54:58.360 --> 00:55:00.519
<v Speaker 2>Well, I got half of that covered already. Man, you

1161
00:55:00.639 --> 00:55:04.559
<v Speaker 2>can carry stuff for me, That's what I'm saying. Well,

1162
00:55:04.599 --> 00:55:05.920
<v Speaker 2>you just tell me when you're coming and we'll make

1163
00:55:05.920 --> 00:55:07.400
<v Speaker 2>a trip out of it. It's great, you'll love it.

1164
00:55:07.400 --> 00:55:09.960
<v Speaker 2>We'll find well. I found wolf tracks last three times

1165
00:55:09.960 --> 00:55:12.599
<v Speaker 2>as I've gone. Bear tracks are plentiful. There's a ton

1166
00:55:12.639 --> 00:55:15.440
<v Speaker 2>of deer and elkin there. The there's asquatches. It's a

1167
00:55:15.480 --> 00:55:17.159
<v Speaker 2>great area and it's ridiculous.

1168
00:55:17.400 --> 00:55:18.719
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I would love to see that.

1169
00:55:19.360 --> 00:55:19.960
<v Speaker 3>I too.

1170
00:55:20.880 --> 00:55:22.960
<v Speaker 2>Have you not been to the Blues Pops, I've been

1171
00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:25.239
<v Speaker 2>to the Blues besides when we filmed there.

1172
00:55:26.360 --> 00:55:29.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I've been there one other time. Nice.

1173
00:55:29.960 --> 00:55:32.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's amazing there. I love it there, and it's

1174
00:55:32.199 --> 00:55:34.079
<v Speaker 2>only four hours four and a half hours for me.

1175
00:55:34.679 --> 00:55:36.440
<v Speaker 5>I mean I almost moved there with Karta, like right

1176
00:55:36.480 --> 00:55:39.880
<v Speaker 5>on the edge of there, but it was two in

1177
00:55:39.920 --> 00:55:40.920
<v Speaker 5>the plains.

1178
00:55:41.760 --> 00:55:44.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Walla Walla is. I mean, I know some good

1179
00:55:44.320 --> 00:55:45.920
<v Speaker 2>people who live there, but I don't think i'd want

1180
00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:47.920
<v Speaker 2>to live in Walla Walla because of the lack of

1181
00:55:48.280 --> 00:55:50.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, trees and.

1182
00:55:50.679 --> 00:55:52.679
<v Speaker 3>Dude, there was no tree. It was like where we

1183
00:55:52.679 --> 00:55:54.639
<v Speaker 3>would be living there. We were like eight miles from

1184
00:55:54.719 --> 00:55:56.599
<v Speaker 3>trees or something. Yeah.

1185
00:55:56.639 --> 00:55:59.159
<v Speaker 2>And as much as I love some of the people there, yeah,

1186
00:55:59.199 --> 00:56:01.119
<v Speaker 2>I have good friends who live there, you know, dar Addington,

1187
00:56:01.280 --> 00:56:03.280
<v Speaker 2>Reggie Bird, like, there's a bunch of rad people who

1188
00:56:03.280 --> 00:56:06.039
<v Speaker 2>live out there. Just love them the bits, you know,

1189
00:56:06.239 --> 00:56:08.920
<v Speaker 2>the Summerland family is still out there and you know,

1190
00:56:09.480 --> 00:56:11.679
<v Speaker 2>but I don't know, it's not worth it. Because I

1191
00:56:11.800 --> 00:56:13.159
<v Speaker 2>like to be alone, first of all, and I like

1192
00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:15.679
<v Speaker 2>to be alone in the woods, and they're in the

1193
00:56:15.719 --> 00:56:18.440
<v Speaker 2>woods up there in the mountains are not accessible very often,

1194
00:56:18.519 --> 00:56:20.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, Like for you can't get the d Duck

1195
00:56:20.840 --> 00:56:23.079
<v Speaker 2>Springs and on a good year you can get there

1196
00:56:23.119 --> 00:56:25.599
<v Speaker 2>towards the end of June, and then it shuts down

1197
00:56:25.599 --> 00:56:28.119
<v Speaker 2>again in October. That's not enough for me.

1198
00:56:29.079 --> 00:56:30.599
<v Speaker 3>So we're going to discuss some articles.

1199
00:56:32.199 --> 00:56:33.960
<v Speaker 1>Should we put a bow on this one? And then

1200
00:56:34.480 --> 00:56:37.800
<v Speaker 1>there are still some overflow Patreon questions and so we

1201
00:56:37.840 --> 00:56:39.920
<v Speaker 1>can keep chatting there and then tackle some of those

1202
00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:42.039
<v Speaker 1>in that way, clear out the Patreon inbox.

1203
00:56:42.639 --> 00:56:45.719
<v Speaker 3>Sure. Yeah, well, folks, you either love this episode or

1204
00:56:45.719 --> 00:56:47.320
<v Speaker 3>hate it. We'll see.

1205
00:56:47.639 --> 00:56:49.599
<v Speaker 2>Well, we have a love hate relationship. I think I

1206
00:56:49.639 --> 00:56:51.639
<v Speaker 2>think all of our listeners have a love hate relationship

1207
00:56:51.639 --> 00:56:52.159
<v Speaker 2>with us.

1208
00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:56.119
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but thanks for tuning in either way, we appreciate it.

1209
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1210
00:56:59.000 --> 00:57:03.480
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1211
00:57:03.559 --> 00:57:04.639
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1212
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1213
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