1 00:00:05,150 --> 00:00:11,029 Speaker 1: So, people are backing away from the mic. They're backing 2 00:00:11,109 --> 00:00:19,079 away from 2020. They're backing away from their progressive politics. 3 00:00:19,199 --> 00:00:21,579 It's so weird to me. On the one hand, you've 4 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:26,460 got these democratic socialists who are winning, right? And then 5 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:32,750 you have the corporate wing of the democratic party, the 6 00:00:32,789 --> 00:00:37,289 James Carvels and such who say, oh, well, we have to, 7 00:00:37,630 --> 00:00:42,149 we have to pivot back to Joe Biden politics, something 8 00:00:42,429 --> 00:00:47,119 unthreatening and moderate so that we can win. Although I 9 00:00:47,140 --> 00:00:50,039 don't know where the proof is that that causes you 10 00:00:50,079 --> 00:00:50,460 to win. 11 00:00:50,500 --> 00:00:50,719 Speaker 2: Yeah. 12 00:00:50,759 --> 00:01:01,359 Speaker 1: You But it's confusing to me because at the same 13 00:01:01,420 --> 00:01:04,879 time that you see people, what I call progressive posers, 14 00:01:05,239 --> 00:01:08,879 folks pretending to be democratic socialists when their voting record 15 00:01:08,900 --> 00:01:17,370 doesn't show that, the sort of Timu Mamdani phenomena, everybody 16 00:01:17,409 --> 00:01:20,230 wants to be the mayor of New York, but nobody's 17 00:01:20,269 --> 00:01:23,370 willing to take the real positions of the mayor of 18 00:01:23,430 --> 00:01:26,980 New York. At the same time, you have In Florida, 19 00:01:27,180 --> 00:01:30,959 which would seem the most unlikely of places to elect 20 00:01:31,060 --> 00:01:34,500 an Angie Nixon, or at least get her through in 21 00:01:34,519 --> 00:01:40,340 the primary, a black woman who is a democratic socialist, 22 00:01:40,659 --> 00:01:44,719 at the same time, you have this backing away from 23 00:01:45,459 --> 00:01:52,689 the issues. And I'm thinking of our governor, Gavin Newsom, 24 00:01:53,129 --> 00:02:00,890 who of course, are broadcasting from California, from the Crenshaw District, California, 25 00:02:00,950 --> 00:02:08,439 South LA, Leimert Park. Our governor, who was touted as 26 00:02:08,460 --> 00:02:12,560 a progressive and actually had taken some progressive positions and 27 00:02:12,620 --> 00:02:19,099 supported some very positive kinds of legislations earlier in his career, 28 00:02:19,219 --> 00:02:22,740 now is pivoted. And reparations is the perfect example, right? 29 00:02:22,759 --> 00:02:29,199 He He signed the legislation to bring Dr. Shirley Weber's 30 00:02:29,259 --> 00:02:34,500 bill to fruition, creating the first task force on reparations 31 00:02:34,939 --> 00:02:40,360 for black people, black Americans in the nation, and bringing 32 00:02:40,439 --> 00:02:44,449 it across the finish line with a powerful 1,200-page report. 33 00:02:44,969 --> 00:02:48,409 Then we see the governor vetoing everything and sort of 34 00:02:48,569 --> 00:02:54,550 backing away from those positions in support of reparations. and 35 00:02:55,409 --> 00:03:02,050 tempering his image, we could say. And presidential ambitions seem 36 00:03:02,189 --> 00:03:12,300 to be the reason, I would say, for that. The U.S. Congresswoman, 37 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:19,900 Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, who came, burst onto the scene, overturning a 38 00:03:20,039 --> 00:03:26,400 moderate Democrat, an incumbent, a longtime incumbent there in New York, 39 00:03:27,039 --> 00:03:32,759 with the label of democratic socialist and an ally of 40 00:03:32,819 --> 00:03:36,650 Bernie Sanders. In fact, they did that tour together last year. 41 00:03:38,129 --> 00:03:46,810 Now she's saying that woke was crazy. Now she's backing 42 00:03:46,870 --> 00:03:53,780 away from the progressive or radical progressive politics that that 43 00:03:53,919 --> 00:04:03,569 she came into office on. What is that? And I, 44 00:04:03,710 --> 00:04:09,879 you know, I think it's problematic. I know she's thinking 45 00:04:09,919 --> 00:04:13,080 of running for president. I get that. And I'm a 46 00:04:13,139 --> 00:04:16,339 fan of AOC. Don't get me wrong. I think she's 47 00:04:16,379 --> 00:04:25,569 done a great job as a like her politics, not everything, 48 00:04:25,689 --> 00:04:30,790 but a lot of her political positions and policies. But 49 00:04:31,069 --> 00:04:37,389 the fact that she's now saying backing away from woke, 50 00:04:38,550 --> 00:04:44,420 that means, number one, either your principles are shaky, they 51 00:04:44,439 --> 00:04:48,500 were never really solid in the first place, or you're 52 00:04:48,660 --> 00:04:54,990 an opportunist. Number two, it means that the conservatives, the 53 00:04:55,149 --> 00:05:00,610 anti-justice wing of the American body politic, has done such 54 00:05:00,649 --> 00:05:04,920 a good job in demonizing woke that you feel you 55 00:05:04,939 --> 00:05:10,639 have to distance yourself from woke. What does that mean? Really, 56 00:05:10,699 --> 00:05:14,370 it means pronouns. What does that mean? It means calling 57 00:05:14,410 --> 00:05:17,930 people what they want to be called. If you want 58 00:05:17,949 --> 00:05:20,189 to be called Carl, I call you Carl. If you 59 00:05:20,209 --> 00:05:25,379 want to be called Jenny, I call you Jenny. That's 60 00:05:25,649 --> 00:05:29,439 basic respect. Now they want to call it wokeness. Treating 61 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:33,519 other people with respect is now wokeness. If you're a he, 62 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:35,060 I call you a he. If you're a she, I 63 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,670 call you a she. Who decides that? You, not me. 64 00:05:39,050 --> 00:05:45,529 Is that crazy? No, that's just respect. Um, In a 65 00:05:45,589 --> 00:05:52,629 recent interview, the congresswoman said, walked back her support of 66 00:05:52,689 --> 00:05:57,220 the idea of defunding the police. Well, again, this is 67 00:05:57,259 --> 00:06:00,660 a victory for the right and their ability to take 68 00:06:00,759 --> 00:06:05,220 things and twist them. Defund the police means taking money 69 00:06:05,519 --> 00:06:09,079 out of police budgets and putting it into other things 70 00:06:09,579 --> 00:06:14,810 that can keep us safe. Mental health, anti-homelessness programs, Public 71 00:06:14,889 --> 00:06:23,040 safety measures like lighting, like community councils, like intervention and 72 00:06:23,100 --> 00:06:30,000 prevention efforts. But now she's walking it back. And she says, 73 00:06:31,199 --> 00:06:36,850 her explanation is that because during 2020 and COVID, we 74 00:06:37,089 --> 00:06:40,069 were willing to entertain a lot more things in the 75 00:06:40,110 --> 00:06:43,350 public space. That we were more open to a range 76 00:06:43,389 --> 00:06:51,910 of policies. But that those policies are no longer acceptable. 77 00:06:53,750 --> 00:06:59,170 Why not? Why not? So she's getting a pat on 78 00:06:59,209 --> 00:07:09,660 the back from conservative political strategists like James Carville. like 79 00:07:09,699 --> 00:07:13,139 this guy Brent Buchanan, who's quoted in the LA Times, 80 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:18,490 calling her a good politician. And James Carville, who says 81 00:07:18,550 --> 00:07:22,569 she can simply say, I'm grown. And people understand that. 82 00:07:23,009 --> 00:07:26,949 As if being a democratic socialist or being a progressive 83 00:07:27,449 --> 00:07:31,949 or putting forth ideas that some consider radical, like health 84 00:07:32,009 --> 00:07:36,189 care for all, is immature or a sign that someone 85 00:07:36,269 --> 00:07:44,259 is not fully developed politically. or chronologically, which is just 86 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:49,959 not the case. They're simply different philosophical approaches to solving 87 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:54,000 the same problems. But what you're telling me is that 88 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:58,939 Bernie Sanders hasn't quite grown up yet? Is that your argument? 89 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:06,620 That Angela Davis just needs a few more years to mature, 90 00:08:06,639 --> 00:08:13,360 and then she'll stop being an abolitionist? I have to 91 00:08:13,420 --> 00:08:18,220 disagree with that. And I don't think, I think we 92 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:24,319 lean into such moderate apologist pablum at the peril of 93 00:08:24,399 --> 00:08:28,250 our party. That is not the path to victory. It's 94 00:08:28,310 --> 00:08:34,750 the path to being another middle-of-the-road, nothing-burger of a politician. 95 00:08:34,769 --> 00:08:34,809 Speaker 2: 809-20-1580. 96 00:08:36,490 --> 00:08:42,639 Speaker 1: Agree, disagree, or you got another conversation. I'd love to 97 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:49,870 hear from you. 809-20-1580. I'm Dominique DiPrima for KBLA Talk 1580. Absolutely. 98 00:08:49,990 --> 00:08:54,549 I do appreciate you on that. I say this and 99 00:08:54,590 --> 00:08:57,629 I've been saying it for years, even before these democratic 100 00:08:57,669 --> 00:09:02,740 socialists started doing better at the polling that we, the 101 00:09:02,799 --> 00:09:06,340 people of We, the people, are where the energy is 102 00:09:06,779 --> 00:09:10,539 in this party. We, the progressives, we, the black women, we, 103 00:09:10,620 --> 00:09:16,090 the Latino people, we, the progressive people, the young people 104 00:09:16,210 --> 00:09:21,590 in the party. Why are we listening? I know, James Carville, legendary, blah, blah, blah. 105 00:09:21,870 --> 00:09:24,720 Why are we listening to all these folks that we've 106 00:09:24,759 --> 00:09:27,679 already tried their way? If you always do what you've 107 00:09:27,700 --> 00:09:32,460 always done, then you always get what you've always got. Yeah, okay, 108 00:09:32,519 --> 00:09:38,620 thank you. Thank you for Bill Clinton, LOL, and welfare 109 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:42,240 reform that made more people poor. Thank you for Joe Biden. 110 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:48,529 Thank you for Barack Obama. I mean, I voted for 111 00:09:48,570 --> 00:09:53,350 Biden and Obama, but my point is, would I rather 112 00:09:53,409 --> 00:09:57,309 have had a more progressive option? Yes. And now we 113 00:09:57,350 --> 00:10:00,230 have that possibility, and I'm so tired of it. of 114 00:10:00,309 --> 00:10:07,200 hearing these Dems cry about how they can't win in 115 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,740 a general election. And then mainstream media piling on with 116 00:10:10,779 --> 00:10:14,960 that same dumb narrative. Prove it. Let's prove they can't 117 00:10:15,039 --> 00:10:18,720 win in a general election. Let's let Bernie go through 118 00:10:18,740 --> 00:10:23,539 the convention. and get the nomination that he deserved. Let's 119 00:10:23,639 --> 00:10:29,490 stop kneecapping our own progressives or convincing our progressives like 120 00:10:29,590 --> 00:10:33,649 AOC that they need to kneecap or nerf themselves into 121 00:10:33,690 --> 00:10:41,100 these sort of, you know, declawed versions of themselves. And 122 00:10:41,149 --> 00:10:44,320 I also think that leads to disillusionment on the part 123 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:49,059 of our base, right? Because our base, like I'm a politician, 124 00:10:49,159 --> 00:10:54,070 the base, because When you come into office on these lofty, 125 00:10:54,149 --> 00:10:59,549 progressive ideas, and then you pivot to being a middle-of-the-road 126 00:10:59,669 --> 00:11:03,970 corporate dem, and that happens over and over again, we 127 00:11:04,029 --> 00:11:07,610 start to think that we lose faith, we lose hope, 128 00:11:07,649 --> 00:11:14,669 we lose the impetus to even move. And to be fair, 129 00:11:15,289 --> 00:11:18,470 people that think that Barack Obama pivoted are wrong. He 130 00:11:18,509 --> 00:11:21,450 was always a moderate. He ran as a moderate. And 131 00:11:21,769 --> 00:11:24,429 we knew what we were getting. We, you know, would 132 00:11:24,490 --> 00:11:27,129 I take them over the resident every single day of 133 00:11:27,149 --> 00:11:29,710 the week? But what I'm saying is right now we 134 00:11:29,750 --> 00:11:32,789 have the opportunity for real progressive change and we need 135 00:11:32,830 --> 00:11:39,129 to push the envelope, not back down. All right, let's 136 00:11:39,169 --> 00:11:43,100 go to Alegria calling us from Los Angeles. Good morning. 137 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:48,779 Speaker 3: Good morning, Dominique. Thank you so much for taking my call. 138 00:11:49,039 --> 00:11:50,759 Speaker 1: Absolutely. What's on your mind? 139 00:11:52,659 --> 00:11:56,470 Speaker 3: Honestly, I am mostly just calling to thank you because 140 00:11:56,529 --> 00:11:59,149 I appreciate you in this space so much. It's so 141 00:11:59,190 --> 00:12:05,269 great to have reason and brilliant thinking on these topics. 142 00:12:05,590 --> 00:12:08,820 And it's so refreshing and it's so appreciated. I didn't 143 00:12:08,860 --> 00:12:12,039 realize how close we were in our Bernie, in our 144 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:16,220 Bernie love and dedication back in the day. I was 145 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:21,750 definitely a diehard Bernie Sanders, 2016, 2020, like, We should 146 00:12:21,789 --> 00:12:24,909 have pushed that omelet long ago, and it's like you 147 00:12:24,929 --> 00:12:28,879 just want to shake people. And, you know, it's like 148 00:12:28,980 --> 00:12:31,500 the Democratic Party, which I've been a Democrat in forever, 149 00:12:32,279 --> 00:12:36,159 really it seems like primarily and intentionally, like they'll do 150 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:40,090 whatever they can to lose. They're like intentional losers because 151 00:12:40,110 --> 00:12:43,250 they won't listen to the actual people, the progressive people 152 00:12:43,289 --> 00:12:46,029 of their party and beyond who are saying we want 153 00:12:46,049 --> 00:12:50,509 something different and we expect something different. And it's difficult 154 00:12:50,629 --> 00:12:52,789 and it's sad. So I just appreciate your voice here. 155 00:12:53,429 --> 00:12:56,269 Speaker 1: I mean, and the thing about it is, so what 156 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,279 your takeaway is from Angie Nixon winning or your takeaway 157 00:12:59,340 --> 00:13:03,759 is from Mamdani winning is that we all need to be, no, 158 00:13:03,820 --> 00:13:08,159 we should all be, you know, East Indian or we 159 00:13:08,179 --> 00:13:12,710 should all, you know, have locks. It's not, oh, look. 160 00:13:13,330 --> 00:13:17,139 Medicare for all is really popular. People need health care. Oh, wow, 161 00:13:17,179 --> 00:13:20,480 a public option for grocery stores is super popular because 162 00:13:21,039 --> 00:13:26,019 people can't afford stuff. Like, instead of looking at the policies, 163 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:32,490 they want to keep the person and declaw them, take 164 00:13:32,570 --> 00:13:35,669 away what people responded to in the first place. We 165 00:13:35,710 --> 00:13:39,659 don't love AOC because she's got great lipstick and she's 166 00:13:39,700 --> 00:13:44,129 an attractive Latina. We like her because of her policy positions. 167 00:13:44,529 --> 00:13:49,379 And that is what I'm objecting to about the party here. 168 00:13:52,259 --> 00:13:57,220 Speaker 3: Yes, agreed, agreed. The focus is always off. We are 169 00:13:57,299 --> 00:14:01,539 saying we don't want our money to bomb children in Palestine. 170 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:06,159 We want health care. We want a humane society, and 171 00:14:06,179 --> 00:14:09,019 we deserve that our money and taxes and politicians fight 172 00:14:09,059 --> 00:14:11,889 for it. and they're unable to hear the things they 173 00:14:11,909 --> 00:14:17,029 are so dedicated to their corporate donors and status quo that, 174 00:14:17,549 --> 00:14:19,809 you know, they might as well not have ears. 175 00:14:21,710 --> 00:14:24,669 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's well said, but then to your 176 00:14:24,730 --> 00:14:28,950 point about Democrats being dedicated to losing, the ones that 177 00:14:28,990 --> 00:14:31,169 are winning are the ones that are bucking the party. 178 00:14:31,210 --> 00:14:34,360 They are the Mamdani's. They are the Angie Nixon's. And 179 00:14:34,409 --> 00:14:37,309 that's why I'm saying how can you, You want to 180 00:14:37,370 --> 00:14:40,600 co-opt that, but once you co-opt it, it doesn't win anymore. 181 00:14:42,779 --> 00:14:43,059 Speaker 2: Yeah. 182 00:14:45,919 --> 00:14:49,620 Speaker 1: All right, Alegria. I absolutely appreciate the call. She called 183 00:14:49,639 --> 00:14:54,340 me at 800-920-1580. I invite you to do the same. 184 00:14:54,360 --> 00:15:01,809 We've got Fred from L.A. on the phone. Good morning, Fred. Fred, 185 00:15:01,850 --> 00:15:04,370 you with me? Microphone check. 186 00:15:04,389 --> 00:15:04,490 Speaker 2: Okay. 187 00:15:06,649 --> 00:15:09,730 Speaker 1: Okay, I guess we have lost Fred, or perhaps he'll 188 00:15:09,750 --> 00:15:16,450 call me back. He called at 809-20-1580, 809-20-1580. It seems 189 00:15:16,590 --> 00:15:21,279 more dire to me because we do have our midterm elections, 190 00:15:21,740 --> 00:15:29,519 and the U.S. Extreme Court has now backed up the 191 00:15:29,580 --> 00:15:33,340 resident in limiting mail-in voting. That may seem like a 192 00:15:33,419 --> 00:15:35,919 little thing or not a thing to you, But it 193 00:15:36,019 --> 00:15:39,570 is a big deal. This is part of a larger 194 00:15:39,669 --> 00:15:45,409 plan by the Trump administration to limit voting. And it's 195 00:15:45,590 --> 00:15:48,830 not voting for everyone that they want to limit. It's 196 00:15:48,909 --> 00:15:53,649 limit voting for you. You, the progressive. You, the woman. You, 197 00:15:53,809 --> 00:15:58,710 the black person. You, the Latino that's not, you know, 198 00:15:58,789 --> 00:16:06,320 Team FAFO. It's trying to limit progressive voters. It's trying 199 00:16:06,340 --> 00:16:09,970 to limit democratic voters. It's trying to limit low income voters. 200 00:16:10,500 --> 00:16:13,509 And that is because they want to win. And if 201 00:16:13,549 --> 00:16:16,490 you look at, this is the thing that really blew 202 00:16:16,549 --> 00:16:20,389 my mind. When I started looking at the way that 203 00:16:20,649 --> 00:16:25,470 Republicans are outnumbered all over the country in terms of 204 00:16:25,529 --> 00:16:29,889 the number of humans that vote and how they've been 205 00:16:29,950 --> 00:16:34,750 able to maintain control of these state houses, the White House, 206 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,860 the extreme court and the Congress, even though they don't 207 00:16:38,940 --> 00:16:43,429 have the numbers, is really the story of the problems 208 00:16:43,450 --> 00:16:46,710 with our democracy, right? It's the manipulation of the maps 209 00:16:46,769 --> 00:16:51,090 through gerrymandering. It's the pimping of the electoral college. It's 210 00:16:51,129 --> 00:16:54,309 the fact that DC and Puerto Rico do not have 211 00:16:54,370 --> 00:16:57,889 statehood when in fact they should. Or if Puerto Rico 212 00:16:57,909 --> 00:17:02,169 wants to be independent, be independent, but have a truly 213 00:17:02,250 --> 00:17:08,049 representative democracy It's term limits on our Supreme Court. These 214 00:17:08,109 --> 00:17:11,630 are the things that have allowed a group of people 215 00:17:11,730 --> 00:17:15,859 that do not represent the majority of Americans or the 216 00:17:15,940 --> 00:17:22,480 majority of American voters to continue to control so much 217 00:17:23,420 --> 00:17:29,130 of the politics of this country. It's a masterclass in 218 00:17:29,269 --> 00:17:33,329 undermining democracy. Let's go to Fred. We got him now. 219 00:17:33,430 --> 00:17:34,569 Fred from L.A., you're on. 220 00:17:35,930 --> 00:17:36,869 Speaker 4: Okay. Can you hear me now? 221 00:17:36,890 --> 00:17:37,329 Speaker 2: I do. 222 00:17:38,769 --> 00:17:41,450 Speaker 4: Okay. Now, I want to respond to Adam from the 223 00:17:41,519 --> 00:17:45,859 last hour. He's looking for something racist under every rock 224 00:17:46,380 --> 00:17:48,779 on the poles that are knocked down on the storm 225 00:17:48,839 --> 00:17:52,440 back east. I was a district driver by choice from 226 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:57,259 1979 to 86 of Palms Overhead. And you only can 227 00:17:57,299 --> 00:18:00,019 set one pole. It takes six hours to set a pole. 228 00:18:00,809 --> 00:18:03,630 Let me give you, I'm fast. If I came in 229 00:18:03,670 --> 00:18:06,819 this morning and some drunk knocked over a pole last 230 00:18:06,890 --> 00:18:09,559 night and looked like a toothpick snap, I would put 231 00:18:09,599 --> 00:18:12,599 the hardware on the truck, a five-ton stake, go to 232 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:16,700 the pole. The lineman would change everything out, set a 233 00:18:16,740 --> 00:18:19,250 new pole, change everything out, put the old stuff back 234 00:18:19,329 --> 00:18:22,210 on me. It takes six hours. And then maybe in 235 00:18:22,230 --> 00:18:25,359 this emergency situation, they might be able to get to 236 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:27,859 a second poll and do that. But that's a total 237 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,799 of a 12, 14 hour day. It takes six hours 238 00:18:30,839 --> 00:18:32,099 to set a poll, Dominique. 239 00:18:32,579 --> 00:18:34,660 Speaker 1: Okay, Fred, I'm going to suggest that you go back 240 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:38,160 and listen to that hour again, because Adam is very 241 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:42,339 much a by the book journalist and he actually was 242 00:18:42,420 --> 00:18:46,029 only stating facts. He didn't say anything. Any conjecture about 243 00:18:46,430 --> 00:18:49,970 race would have been coming from me. What Adam stated 244 00:18:50,009 --> 00:18:55,470 were facts that, that, In black areas, it does take 245 00:18:55,549 --> 00:19:00,170 longer to get the power back on. That black areas 246 00:19:00,329 --> 00:19:03,819 are more likely to have power outages. Those are not opinions. 247 00:19:03,980 --> 00:19:08,119 Those were actually facts. And so if you don't like them, 248 00:19:08,519 --> 00:19:12,799 you know, that's your prerogative. But they're not coming from 249 00:19:13,619 --> 00:19:18,640 Adam Mahoney's opinion. Those are actually supported by data and 250 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:22,329 you can go to capital B news.org and actually read 251 00:19:22,349 --> 00:19:24,789 the article or go back. All of my podcasts are 252 00:19:24,829 --> 00:19:29,170 available for free wherever you get your podcasts. They're also, 253 00:19:29,309 --> 00:19:32,359 they live on YouTube so you can see them any, 254 00:19:32,740 --> 00:19:35,420 anytime you want. I don't think he was looking for race. 255 00:19:35,740 --> 00:19:40,819 He was just telling us the facts as, as they 256 00:19:40,859 --> 00:19:46,009 are reported. And so, yeah, We're fact-based. That's how we 257 00:19:46,029 --> 00:19:48,470 do it, Fred. Appreciate the call. We've got news, traffic, 258 00:19:48,490 --> 00:19:52,160 and sports. Speaking of facts, then. only right here. And man, 259 00:19:52,579 --> 00:19:56,660 as I said, the news cycle is spinning wildly. So 260 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:04,349 I think all of these conversations are important because With 261 00:20:04,589 --> 00:20:11,250 the resident of the White House now moving to restrict 262 00:20:11,309 --> 00:20:14,230 mail-in voting, and the Supreme Court is backing him on 263 00:20:14,279 --> 00:20:17,279 that so far, even though there's another case that still 264 00:20:17,319 --> 00:20:19,799 has to move through that may impact it. But basically, 265 00:20:19,839 --> 00:20:22,640 they're already signaling they might as well just crown the 266 00:20:22,660 --> 00:20:26,480 guy king. But in any case, if we are not 267 00:20:27,299 --> 00:20:34,920 motivated to vote because we're all disillusioned by the these 268 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:43,049 sort of, you know, moderate, middle-of-the-road, defanged, not-about-nothing Democrats, then 269 00:20:43,849 --> 00:20:47,089 we will continue to lose, even with the president, the 270 00:20:47,150 --> 00:20:51,390 residents' approval ratings in the toilet. As those of you 271 00:20:51,450 --> 00:20:55,289 who listen to me closely know, I clearly pivoted because 272 00:20:55,450 --> 00:20:59,650 our guest for today did not arrive. And so I 273 00:20:59,690 --> 00:21:04,359 have one of my homies who is joining me In 274 00:21:04,380 --> 00:21:07,259 the clutch here, he's an award-winning journalist, a host, a 275 00:21:07,279 --> 00:21:11,819 multidisciplinary artist, and a Harvard-trained scholar in faith, justice, and 276 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,440 public life. He's been in the New York Times, NPR, 277 00:21:15,519 --> 00:21:18,700 CNN variety, and of course, first things first, Jared Hill. 278 00:21:18,759 --> 00:21:21,240 Good morning. Good morning. 279 00:21:21,289 --> 00:21:23,309 Speaker 2: Can I just say that I am honored to be 280 00:21:23,410 --> 00:21:25,589 one of the people that you would call in a pinch. 281 00:21:25,609 --> 00:21:28,069 So I'm just grateful to be here. So thank you 282 00:21:28,089 --> 00:21:29,170 for having me. Oh, yeah. 283 00:21:29,230 --> 00:21:32,049 Speaker 1: Well, I'm honored to have you in the phone to 284 00:21:32,089 --> 00:21:34,890 call in a pinch. Okay, so there's a lot of 285 00:21:34,950 --> 00:21:38,380 things going on. And I was talking about, you know, 286 00:21:38,430 --> 00:21:41,579 this whole everyone sort of backing away from woke and 287 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:49,240 AOC renouncing defund the police and, you know, and at 288 00:21:49,279 --> 00:21:52,119 the same time, you've got these democratic socialists energizing the 289 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:58,809 party and people winning and bucking the democratic establishment very successfully. 290 00:21:59,589 --> 00:22:01,650 And we were talking off the air, at least via text, 291 00:22:02,220 --> 00:22:07,960 about the alleged meeting, collaboration, whatever it is, between Hakeem 292 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:13,420 Jeffries and Jared Kushner, the president's son-in-law. I'm not quite 293 00:22:13,460 --> 00:22:18,109 sure what his title is beyond that. Special envoy of BS. 294 00:22:19,269 --> 00:22:23,150 And again, you know, with Hakeem Jeffries, you have someone 295 00:22:23,170 --> 00:22:27,690 who who's never been a progressive. He's always been a moderate. 296 00:22:27,710 --> 00:22:30,470 He studied at the feet of Nancy Pelosi. But I 297 00:22:30,529 --> 00:22:36,049 think it's becoming more pronounced now because of the loud 298 00:22:36,150 --> 00:22:37,890 conversation about Gaza. 299 00:22:37,910 --> 00:22:43,650 Speaker 2: So I'm very torn when it comes to the talking 300 00:22:43,670 --> 00:22:46,569 Jeffries moment and meeting with Jared Kushner. I think of 301 00:22:46,609 --> 00:22:50,369 myself as pretty left. And I come from like a 302 00:22:50,430 --> 00:22:53,670 conflict resolution background. You mentioned that I went to Harvard 303 00:22:53,690 --> 00:22:58,049 Divinity School. My degree is a master's of religion and 304 00:22:58,089 --> 00:22:59,660 public life. And we look at the ways in which 305 00:23:00,299 --> 00:23:02,519 a religion kind of operates as a power structure and 306 00:23:02,539 --> 00:23:04,220 the ways that we can approach that from our different, 307 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:09,000 if you will. And it's been interesting to me because 308 00:23:09,039 --> 00:23:11,380 a lot of that work has been rooted in peace 309 00:23:11,420 --> 00:23:15,430 building and conflict resolution research. And so the ways in 310 00:23:15,490 --> 00:23:18,920 which we are ever going to resolve these conflicts is 311 00:23:18,940 --> 00:23:20,940 going to have to deal with some kind of engagement. 312 00:23:21,619 --> 00:23:24,420 And also, I don't like the idea of Jared Kushner 313 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,160 sitting down with Joaquin Jeffries for anything. 314 00:23:26,819 --> 00:23:27,099 Speaker 4: Right. 315 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,799 Speaker 2: And so I'm wrestling with both of those things at 316 00:23:29,839 --> 00:23:33,079 the same time, because the things that we want, the 317 00:23:33,099 --> 00:23:34,759 things that we want to achieve, the things that we're 318 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:39,039 aiming towards, they're going to require some kind of engagement, right? 319 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,900 And one of the books that we focused on in 320 00:23:42,059 --> 00:23:46,190 my program was The Moral Imagination, written by John Lederach. 321 00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:49,009 And within it, he talks about how peace is not 322 00:23:49,069 --> 00:23:51,769 something that happens when you put guns down. Like, peace 323 00:23:51,829 --> 00:23:56,750 also requires, like, building. and engagement and working together and 324 00:23:56,809 --> 00:24:00,009 having conversations about what each other need, et cetera. And 325 00:24:00,049 --> 00:24:02,859 so when I see this moment, and I hear you, right? 326 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,960 When I see this moment and these kinds of moments 327 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,980 where two people are having a meeting that you wouldn't 328 00:24:08,039 --> 00:24:10,519 ordinarily want to see have a meeting, I also have 329 00:24:10,539 --> 00:24:16,230 to consider what Hakeem Jeffries' job is and what things 330 00:24:16,269 --> 00:24:18,430 are presented to him to say yes or no to 331 00:24:18,809 --> 00:24:21,549 and the opportunities that can come from those yeses or nos. 332 00:24:22,009 --> 00:24:25,109 And so I don't like how this looks or feels. 333 00:24:25,210 --> 00:24:26,839 And I don't even know that I trust that it 334 00:24:26,859 --> 00:24:30,059 was really useful. And I have to say, like, if 335 00:24:30,099 --> 00:24:31,700 I want to believe in this guy to be able 336 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,059 to do his job, even if he's not as, as, 337 00:24:34,180 --> 00:24:36,099 as far left as I would like him to be, 338 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,220 but I'm, he's the one that I, that I have 339 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,130 to work with or support. I have to kind of 340 00:24:42,289 --> 00:24:43,869 want to give him a little bit of the benefit 341 00:24:43,910 --> 00:24:45,410 of the doubt here. Yeah. 342 00:24:45,569 --> 00:24:49,809 Speaker 1: Well, I mean the, um, Talk show host Risi Colbert 343 00:24:49,829 --> 00:24:53,170 made an interesting point, I think, yesterday on Instagram. She 344 00:24:53,210 --> 00:24:56,130 was saying, why are we spending so much time criticizing 345 00:24:56,170 --> 00:25:00,210 Hakeem Jeffries when we have to beat Republicans in the midterms? 346 00:25:00,619 --> 00:25:04,240 We're so busy criticizing, and I'm guilty of this, not 347 00:25:04,279 --> 00:25:08,000 that I focus so much on Hakeem Jeffries, but I'm 348 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:14,900 so tired of these corporate, moderate, Democratic, mainstream establishment types 349 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,930 telling us that we need to be electable. that I 350 00:25:17,990 --> 00:25:22,099 probably spend more time critiquing them than I do critiquing 351 00:25:22,390 --> 00:25:26,259 the folks we got to beat in November. So I 352 00:25:26,299 --> 00:25:28,880 may be guilty as charged. And she was pointing out 353 00:25:28,900 --> 00:25:32,920 that there are thousands of posts about people criticizing Hakeem 354 00:25:32,940 --> 00:25:38,809 Jeffries and very few posts criticizing Republicans that we'll be 355 00:25:38,890 --> 00:25:43,390 running against in November. What are your thoughts on that, Jarrett? 356 00:25:44,109 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 5: Well, I.. 357 00:25:45,730 --> 00:25:46,059 Speaker 4: We.. 358 00:25:47,579 --> 00:25:50,059 Speaker 2: I've been a journalist for 25 years as of next month. 359 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,619 And so our job, thank you. I always say I 360 00:25:54,660 --> 00:25:57,000 counted 11th and 12th grade on the newspaper because those 361 00:25:57,019 --> 00:25:57,559 years counted. 362 00:25:58,539 --> 00:26:03,019 Speaker 1: I was wondering that, but okay, I'll count those. 363 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 2: I thought you were doing math in your head. 364 00:26:04,420 --> 00:26:05,660 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. 365 00:26:06,099 --> 00:26:09,759 Speaker 2: But I say that because the role of this job 366 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,119 is to check power, right? Is to raise the flag 367 00:26:14,180 --> 00:26:16,670 and say, hey, this is not right. Or, hey, this 368 00:26:16,750 --> 00:26:18,799 is something that's going on. And so I think there 369 00:26:18,859 --> 00:26:22,160 is an importance in the critique. that you bring to 370 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,759 this moment or to these kinds of situations, that is 371 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,420 the job that you have, right? As a journalist, as 372 00:26:28,460 --> 00:26:31,630 a progressive, as a liberal, as a leftist, as a 373 00:26:31,670 --> 00:26:33,869 person with a voice, with a platform, as a person 374 00:26:33,930 --> 00:26:36,769 who is out here doing this every day, right? That 375 00:26:36,829 --> 00:26:39,329 is the job. And it's somebody else's job sometimes to 376 00:26:39,349 --> 00:26:42,470 be the person who comes in and brings all of 377 00:26:42,509 --> 00:26:44,849 these different pieces together to be able to make them useful. 378 00:26:45,309 --> 00:26:46,670 And so I don't think it's wrong for you to 379 00:26:46,710 --> 00:26:50,029 be checking... King Jeffries in this kind of moment or 380 00:26:50,190 --> 00:26:53,339 any of the other Democrats, because as people further to 381 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,460 the left, it is our job to continue to pull 382 00:26:55,500 --> 00:26:58,460 this coalition left, right? And so like when we had 383 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,420 this conversation about the mayor's race or even with the 384 00:27:02,460 --> 00:27:05,400 governor's races, right? Ideally, we get two Democrats in each 385 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,869 of these roles so that we can pull whoever to 386 00:27:08,890 --> 00:27:11,250 the left, that moderate person to the left. And that 387 00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:15,470 was the conversation we had going into the midterms here. 388 00:27:15,509 --> 00:27:18,160 And so I think it's important I think we just 389 00:27:18,180 --> 00:27:20,250 have to figure out, like, what are the things that 390 00:27:20,309 --> 00:27:22,349 we want and how do we get them? Because I 391 00:27:22,390 --> 00:27:24,650 think that when we look at the Republicans, we see 392 00:27:24,690 --> 00:27:28,589 people who are purely after power. They only want power. 393 00:27:29,049 --> 00:27:30,859 And whatever it's going to take to get that power, 394 00:27:30,900 --> 00:27:34,039 they will do. They will change the rules at a 395 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:38,460 moment's notice. The laws and rules are subject to change 396 00:27:38,500 --> 00:27:39,099 without notice. 397 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:40,319 Speaker 4: Right. Yeah. 398 00:27:40,420 --> 00:27:43,220 Speaker 2: And so, but we are here talking about people. We 399 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,440 want to, we want a lot of things more than 400 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,769 power and that is more difficult to achieve. And so 401 00:27:47,809 --> 00:27:49,289 it's important for all of us to be in this, 402 00:27:49,890 --> 00:27:50,490 in this back. 403 00:27:50,369 --> 00:27:50,990 Speaker 4: And forth together. 404 00:27:51,009 --> 00:27:51,809 Speaker 2: Yeah. 405 00:27:51,829 --> 00:27:54,710 Speaker 1: That's well said. Let's, let's go to Barbara calling us 406 00:27:54,730 --> 00:27:56,829 from Orange County. Hi, Barbara. You're on with Jared Hill 407 00:27:56,869 --> 00:27:58,130 and Dominique DiPrima. Welcome. 408 00:27:59,490 --> 00:28:03,789 Speaker 5: Good morning, Dominique. I have three things right quick. Number one, 409 00:28:04,029 --> 00:28:06,450 I voted for Bernie in the primary that time too. 410 00:28:06,650 --> 00:28:09,549 I wish he'd have won. Number two, When would Dr. 411 00:28:09,589 --> 00:28:12,890 Julia Malvo come on? Because there's some really things happening. 412 00:28:13,289 --> 00:28:16,410 And number three, can we get Stacey Abrams and hire 413 00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:19,920 her to work with a couple of the states to 414 00:28:20,019 --> 00:28:23,900 help organize us like she did in Atlanta and flip 415 00:28:23,940 --> 00:28:25,839 some stuff and maybe we can get where we need 416 00:28:25,859 --> 00:28:26,160 to be? 417 00:28:27,180 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: I love the way you're thinking, Barbara. Jarrett, you have 418 00:28:30,259 --> 00:28:31,000 thoughts for Barbara? 419 00:28:32,740 --> 00:28:34,660 Speaker 2: I'm looking up Stacey Abrams right now. I'm like, I 420 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,740 know that Stacey Abrams is doing a lot of work. 421 00:28:36,779 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: Right, she's busy, right, right, right. 422 00:28:39,220 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's not doing anything. 423 00:28:41,940 --> 00:28:41,980 Speaker 4: Dr. 424 00:28:42,019 --> 00:28:44,829 Speaker 1: Malveaux, yes, you know, I have her on speed dial, Barbara, 425 00:28:44,890 --> 00:28:48,930 every time I'm confused about economic issues. Like right now, 426 00:28:48,970 --> 00:28:51,269 I'm so confused about these tariffs. I thought the court 427 00:28:51,369 --> 00:28:53,970 said he had to pay back the tariffs, but now 428 00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:57,990 we're imposing tariffs on Canada. So, yes, I can't tell 429 00:28:58,039 --> 00:29:00,740 you the exact day, Barbara, but Dr. Malveaux will be 430 00:29:00,779 --> 00:29:01,539 back any minute. 431 00:29:02,859 --> 00:29:06,319 Speaker 5: Well, here's the reason why I ask. It's because, I 432 00:29:06,359 --> 00:29:09,980 don't know if you know this, but Aliko Dengote in 433 00:29:10,059 --> 00:29:14,609 Nigeria just built the largest oil processing plant, which is 434 00:29:15,009 --> 00:29:17,970 more than triple what two of the other major plants 435 00:29:18,029 --> 00:29:22,369 are doing. And they are going public or they just 436 00:29:22,509 --> 00:29:23,410 went public? 437 00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:26,539 Speaker 1: Not tracking it. I will look it up. And when Dr. 438 00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:29,380 M comes on, you know, she used to be my professor, 439 00:29:29,900 --> 00:29:34,880 the youngest, flyest professor ever. When Dr. M comes up, 440 00:29:35,349 --> 00:29:38,589 I will definitely ask her about that oil plant. Thank you, Barbara. 441 00:29:38,609 --> 00:29:40,990 I appreciate you. Did you find anything, Jarrett? 442 00:29:42,569 --> 00:29:44,559 Speaker 2: Well, I want to know that she has a show 443 00:29:44,579 --> 00:29:47,619 that she's already been doing for quite a while, Stacey Abrams, 444 00:29:47,799 --> 00:29:50,579 over on the Cricket Network. And she's really been doing 445 00:29:50,599 --> 00:29:52,240 a lot of work of kind of breaking down the 446 00:29:52,279 --> 00:29:54,319 ways in which fascism has been rolling out. And so 447 00:29:54,339 --> 00:29:57,380 she's The most recent time that I saw her, she 448 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,099 was talking about the 10 different points of change that 449 00:30:01,119 --> 00:30:05,400 have to be affected to demarcate fascism. I believe that's 450 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:06,569 how it was positioned. 451 00:30:06,609 --> 00:30:07,009 Speaker 3: Yeah. 452 00:30:07,569 --> 00:30:11,130 Speaker 1: I mean, Barbara's talking about the on-the-ground organizing that she 453 00:30:11,230 --> 00:30:14,289 did when she pulled all those voters, you know, and 454 00:30:15,650 --> 00:30:18,130 gave them a run for their money for governor and, 455 00:30:18,670 --> 00:30:23,150 you know, mobilizing black voters, mobilizing progressive voters, women. This 456 00:30:23,430 --> 00:30:28,819 mail-in voting decision by the U.S. Extreme Court, I don't 457 00:30:28,859 --> 00:30:31,980 know how exactly it's going to manifest. I know that 458 00:30:32,039 --> 00:30:34,779 for me, as soon as I heard it, I said, okay, 459 00:30:35,299 --> 00:30:38,720 I won't be voting by mail because it literally means 460 00:30:38,740 --> 00:30:44,259 you're putting your ballot into federal custody. And the Supreme 461 00:30:44,319 --> 00:30:47,299 Court has said that they can restrict the use of 462 00:30:47,380 --> 00:30:49,339 mail ballots. So I don't know how that's going to 463 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,740 land exactly. But there are people that don't have any 464 00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:55,299 other option. You know what I mean? They're not near 465 00:30:55,339 --> 00:30:59,660 a polling place. They're not mobile. It's really worrisome. So 466 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,259 I think that's where that's coming from is how do 467 00:31:02,299 --> 00:31:05,339 we mobilize people so that no matter how much Republicans cheat, 468 00:31:05,700 --> 00:31:08,069 because we can see that they're gearing up to cheat 469 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,289 in the midterms, that they lose anyway because the margins 470 00:31:12,329 --> 00:31:13,250 are so overwhelming. 471 00:31:15,109 --> 00:31:19,049 Speaker 2: Yeah, the mail-in ballot piece of this upcoming election is 472 00:31:19,109 --> 00:31:21,589 a really frustrating space because it's a place where we 473 00:31:21,609 --> 00:31:24,269 can very clearly see that they have created a problem 474 00:31:24,309 --> 00:31:28,190 that didn't exist, right? They've also created a narrative around 475 00:31:28,250 --> 00:31:29,210 a problem. 476 00:31:29,109 --> 00:31:30,509 Speaker 5: As if it existed, but it didn't. 477 00:31:31,210 --> 00:31:33,630 Speaker 2: We've known that mail-in ballots have been a safe way 478 00:31:33,650 --> 00:31:36,990 to vote across the country for, I believe, generations at 479 00:31:37,009 --> 00:31:40,269 this point. And so when I think about this story, 480 00:31:40,329 --> 00:31:42,130 it frustrates me in that kind of way. And I 481 00:31:42,170 --> 00:31:44,869 think that for myself, I always take my ballot that 482 00:31:44,890 --> 00:31:46,410 comes in the mail and I go drop it off 483 00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:50,039 at the ballot. at the polling place on election day. 484 00:31:50,059 --> 00:31:54,019 That's how I've been kind of always worrying through my 485 00:31:54,519 --> 00:31:56,559 voting plan, if you will. And right now, we keep 486 00:31:56,599 --> 00:31:58,799 saying to people, like, it's very important to, like, have 487 00:31:58,859 --> 00:32:00,880 a plan for how you vote. Because as we are 488 00:32:00,980 --> 00:32:04,259 approaching this, we can see Los Angeles, you might not 489 00:32:04,319 --> 00:32:06,359 be as concerned, but who knows what could be happening. 490 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:07,960 But we know that people are listening to this around 491 00:32:07,980 --> 00:32:09,900 the country and around the world. And for those of 492 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,309 you that are in other places that are not going 493 00:32:12,349 --> 00:32:15,380 to be as we would see it here in Los Angeles, 494 00:32:15,509 --> 00:32:17,569 it might be a great idea to start thinking about, like, 495 00:32:17,609 --> 00:32:19,849 how do you want to vote? Because as Dominique has 496 00:32:19,869 --> 00:32:22,490 put it, we are putting your vote into federal custody 497 00:32:22,529 --> 00:32:25,509 and we know what federal custody looks like. We know 498 00:32:25,529 --> 00:32:27,089 what that looks like in various different kinds of ways. 499 00:32:27,329 --> 00:32:33,250 Speaker 1: Justice Katandji Brown-Jackson said that this decision, quote, needlessly injects 500 00:32:33,369 --> 00:32:38,049 chaos and uncertainty into the upcoming midterm elections. And clearly 501 00:32:38,089 --> 00:32:41,730 that's exactly what it's meant to do. So this is, 502 00:32:41,950 --> 00:32:46,150 you know, this is a concern. And I think it is, 503 00:32:46,410 --> 00:32:49,339 I think Barbara's correct that one of the antidotes to 504 00:32:49,380 --> 00:32:53,980 that concern is to mobilize such a tsunami of voters 505 00:32:54,319 --> 00:32:58,779 that the cheating doesn't win. I think that's got to 506 00:32:58,819 --> 00:33:02,240 be part of it, whether it's Stacey Abrams or Latoya 507 00:33:02,259 --> 00:33:06,180 Brown or me or you, the get out the vote 508 00:33:06,259 --> 00:33:09,599 effort is going to have to be Herculean. Jared Hill 509 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,890 is here with me, filling in in the clutch, pinch 510 00:33:12,910 --> 00:33:16,369 hitting today on First Things First. I'm Dominique DiPrima for 511 00:33:16,410 --> 00:33:22,710 KBLA Talk 1580. Okay, Republicans, Jared Hill says, their main 512 00:33:22,789 --> 00:33:26,109 goal is power. no matter what it takes, uh, Jared 513 00:33:26,130 --> 00:33:28,890 Hill and award-winning journalists is joining me for the second 514 00:33:28,950 --> 00:33:33,390 part of the hour. Um, does that include writing in 515 00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:39,740 the trunks of SUVs and, uh, and you know, yeah, 516 00:33:39,799 --> 00:33:42,019 I mean, is, is that, is that what this, of 517 00:33:42,099 --> 00:33:45,660 course I'm, I'm referring to the, the, the woman known 518 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:51,789 as the president's binky. Um, Is she, you know, is 519 00:33:51,849 --> 00:33:55,730 she after power? Is it a love connection? What is 520 00:33:55,819 --> 00:34:00,119 happening with Natalie Harp and the resident of the White House? 521 00:34:01,339 --> 00:34:07,420 Speaker 2: So I've not heard the president's binky. That's a personal memory. 522 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,659 But I have heard different kinds of things similar to that. 523 00:34:11,340 --> 00:34:13,519 I think the word that the White House has tried 524 00:34:13,559 --> 00:34:15,659 to use is like ballet or something like that. Her 525 00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:18,610 position is like ballet. very unclear in another way that 526 00:34:18,630 --> 00:34:20,349 she kind of spoke about Jared Kushner and the way 527 00:34:20,429 --> 00:34:25,469 that this administration and the crime family works. But like, 528 00:34:25,570 --> 00:34:28,900 it's interesting to kind of hear Natalie Harp's story. Natalie 529 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,079 Harp is someone who is always at the side of 530 00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:35,599 the president. She originally was a personality over on one 531 00:34:35,619 --> 00:34:40,429 of the conservative networks. And she has really just fawned 532 00:34:40,489 --> 00:34:43,809 over the president in ways that don't make any logical 533 00:34:43,869 --> 00:34:47,619 sense to me. She's like she has written letters to 534 00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:49,460 the president saying that he's the only thing that matters 535 00:34:49,500 --> 00:34:53,769 to her. She's now been working in this administration now 536 00:34:54,329 --> 00:34:56,150 over the course of two years, and she's the person 537 00:34:56,190 --> 00:34:58,710 who kind of gets information to the president, but also 538 00:34:58,730 --> 00:35:02,230 spends a lot of time with the president and with 539 00:35:02,269 --> 00:35:05,190 him at all times, seemingly. You're talking about her being 540 00:35:05,230 --> 00:35:10,420 in the trunk of an SUV because of the way that... 541 00:35:11,079 --> 00:35:13,599 I don't remember even how that started to happen, but 542 00:35:13,619 --> 00:35:15,340 that was one of the first things I heard about her. 543 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 1: Because there was no room for her in the car. Right, right, right. 544 00:35:19,929 --> 00:35:22,969 Speaker 2: They've got her running behind golf carts. They've got her 545 00:35:23,010 --> 00:35:25,980 doing all kinds of like unreasonable things because she's so 546 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,360 devoted to the president. And the more and more I 547 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,199 hear about this, I have a lot of questions about 548 00:35:32,260 --> 00:35:35,179 like where she's actually came from or what the actual 549 00:35:35,199 --> 00:35:38,300 goal is or like giving her information or who she 550 00:35:38,340 --> 00:35:40,900 might be giving information to. She's participating in a lot 551 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,340 of meetings that the president is a part of, all 552 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,400 of his appearances. You think I'm, you think I'm wild? 553 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,659 Speaker 1: No, I think you're right. I mean, She could be 554 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,769 a handler. Who knows? She might be, you know, she 555 00:35:52,829 --> 00:35:56,469 could be sent by Kim Jong-un. Like, we don't really know. 556 00:35:56,889 --> 00:36:00,050 Her brother says she's written letters to more than one president, 557 00:36:01,409 --> 00:36:04,690 including Bush, which makes her sound like a groupie. But 558 00:36:04,750 --> 00:36:05,809 who the heck knows? 559 00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:10,050 Speaker 2: Well, I think about a few different things. Like, I 560 00:36:10,070 --> 00:36:12,650 don't have any information that says, like, you know, she's 561 00:36:12,670 --> 00:36:15,230 been planted by any of these countries or whatever, any 562 00:36:15,269 --> 00:36:17,630 of these adversaries. But I do know that this is 563 00:36:17,679 --> 00:36:20,059 an administration that does not run background checks on folks 564 00:36:20,340 --> 00:36:23,739 and gives security clearance away a lot more freely than 565 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,340 any other administration would. We do know that this is 566 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,980 a family that has relationships all over the world because 567 00:36:29,019 --> 00:36:33,159 of their holdings and their businesses. And we've seen those 568 00:36:33,199 --> 00:36:35,039 kinds of relationships kind of played out in the first 569 00:36:35,079 --> 00:36:38,469 administration and then in the years subsequent. And so when 570 00:36:38,510 --> 00:36:41,389 we think about a person who made her way up 571 00:36:41,429 --> 00:36:44,960 to the president just by being a blonde white woman 572 00:36:45,079 --> 00:36:48,500 who admired him and is always fawning over him, that's 573 00:36:48,559 --> 00:36:49,360 a pretty. 574 00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:50,159 Speaker 4: Low bar, right? 575 00:36:50,199 --> 00:36:52,150 Speaker 2: We don't really have, we don't have a. 576 00:36:52,170 --> 00:36:52,510 Speaker 4: Lot of, a. 577 00:36:54,309 --> 00:36:56,349 Speaker 2: Lot of reason to have faith that like she is 578 00:36:56,409 --> 00:36:59,860 someone who has a high moral standard or is even 579 00:36:59,900 --> 00:37:02,000 like really devoted to the values of this country. We 580 00:37:02,019 --> 00:37:04,559 don't know those kinds of things, right? We don't know 581 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,820 how she could be getting information. We don't know what 582 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,030 she's doing with that information. We don't know what she 583 00:37:09,070 --> 00:37:12,010 has on her. They call her the human printer. She 584 00:37:12,030 --> 00:37:13,889 carries around a small printer to be able to print 585 00:37:13,929 --> 00:37:17,480 out information. to the president to give him information that 586 00:37:17,500 --> 00:37:19,440 he tends to like. We tend to see a lot 587 00:37:19,460 --> 00:37:22,059 of that information end up in his social posts. We 588 00:37:22,099 --> 00:37:25,869 tend to see him take a lot of the information 589 00:37:25,909 --> 00:37:29,530 that comes from her as being fact. And that has 590 00:37:29,630 --> 00:37:32,949 a major implication when you're giving information to the president 591 00:37:32,969 --> 00:37:36,019 of the United States. There are other jobs that she 592 00:37:36,039 --> 00:37:40,260 supposedly has that are related to his health, related to 593 00:37:41,070 --> 00:37:43,610 various different ways that I don't see people talking about 594 00:37:43,630 --> 00:37:48,409 in media, about things that he needs and services that 595 00:37:48,530 --> 00:37:54,510 are necessary for his day-to-day ongoings. But I think that 596 00:37:54,739 --> 00:37:57,420 Natalie Harp is someone who could stand to be a 597 00:37:57,519 --> 00:38:01,400 really interesting figure as America continues to watch her sit 598 00:38:01,420 --> 00:38:02,199 next to its president. 599 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,039 Speaker 1: I mean, real talk, if my husband has a valet 600 00:38:05,119 --> 00:38:07,360 that's traveling in a trunk to be with him, she's 601 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,699 fired immediately. I don't know how Melania is cool with 602 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:11,179 that either. 603 00:38:11,199 --> 00:38:17,510 Speaker 2: Well, Dominique, to this point, the days after John Ossoff 604 00:38:17,659 --> 00:38:21,750 made the comments about flying around with Natalie, we saw 605 00:38:22,050 --> 00:38:24,610 Melania Trump for the first time up here at the 606 00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:27,110 White House, right? She stepped out into the Rose Garden 607 00:38:27,130 --> 00:38:28,590 for an event that was going on, and the first 608 00:38:28,610 --> 00:38:31,639 thing she said was, I heard you guys miss me, right? 609 00:38:31,659 --> 00:38:35,199 So it has been addressed, right? It is a present conversation. 610 00:38:35,519 --> 00:38:38,070 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt. No doubt, Jarrett. Thank you so much 611 00:38:38,110 --> 00:38:40,639 for hopping on at the last minute. Remind folks how 612 00:38:40,679 --> 00:38:43,079 to follow you and find your writings and artworks. 613 00:38:44,179 --> 00:38:46,619 Speaker 2: Yes, you can find all my work. I'm at Jarrett 614 00:38:46,659 --> 00:38:49,619 Hill on all the different platforms. You can check out 615 00:38:49,679 --> 00:38:51,760 my book, Historically Black Phrases, from my one of your 616 00:38:51,780 --> 00:38:55,230 little friends to who all going to be there at historicallyblackphrases.com. 617 00:38:55,250 --> 00:38:55,789 Speaker 4: We have a new. 618 00:38:55,690 --> 00:38:59,190 Speaker 2: Game that comes out in September called Watch Your Mouth, 619 00:38:59,269 --> 00:39:00,869 which is a game that you can play with your 620 00:39:00,889 --> 00:39:04,079 friends or family at the cookout, the reunion, whatever it is. 621 00:39:04,159 --> 00:39:08,420 So all of those different things you can check out. And, yeah, 622 00:39:08,679 --> 00:39:09,699 thank you for having me, Domino. 623 00:39:10,199 --> 00:39:13,320 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Tavis Smiley's on deck. He's got 624 00:39:13,340 --> 00:39:16,079 a great lineup for you today. As per usual, you 625 00:39:16,139 --> 00:39:18,519 do not want to miss that. Tap in with me 626 00:39:18,619 --> 00:39:23,349 on social media at Deprima Radio, D-I-P-R-I-M-A, and then radio 627 00:39:23,809 --> 00:39:29,190 or at KBLA 1580 everywhere. Like my father, the late, 628 00:39:29,269 --> 00:39:32,260 great poet Laura. of New Jersey, Amiri Baraka, used to 629 00:39:32,340 --> 00:39:36,219 say a person is either free or they are not free. 630 00:39:36,500 --> 00:39:40,210 There can be no apprenticeship for freedom. Until tomorrow, my 631 00:39:40,269 --> 00:39:43,449 beloved KBLA delegation, one love.