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<v Speaker 1>Today, I want to tell you about a journey that

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<v Speaker 1>I've been on for most of my life. Ever since

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<v Speaker 1>I was a kid, I've heard tales of bigfoot and

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<v Speaker 1>wild men while spending time with my friends and family.

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<v Speaker 1>As I grew older and read more about the paranormal,

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<v Speaker 1>my interest in encryptids and other things strange only deepened.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going

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<v Speaker 2>on here. Something just kid with my dog. Something to

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<v Speaker 2>kill your dog? My dog. We're flying through there over

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<v Speaker 2>the tree. I don't know how it did it? Okay, damn,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming

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<v Speaker 2>over the fence, and they would dead once you hit

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<v Speaker 2>the grill. I didn't see any cars. All I saw

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<v Speaker 2>was my dog coming over the fence. Are you reporting

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<v Speaker 2>we got some wonder or something crawling around out here?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you see what it was? It was enough out here.

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<v Speaker 2>Look him near the window now and I don't need anything.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to go outside. Its fight. Hello, hit

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<v Speaker 2>the buddy out here?

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<v Speaker 3>What quin?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm out there? I thought of a venus about text nine?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Easy am out there? Yeah, I'm walking

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<v Speaker 2>right heady.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh. My name's Janet and I've been hunting mushrooms in

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<v Speaker 1>the Coast Range for thirty years. Started when I was

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<v Speaker 1>a kid with my grandpa, kept it up after he passed.

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<v Speaker 1>I know these woods like my own backyard. Every logging road,

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<v Speaker 1>every clear cut, every patch where the chanterelles grow thick

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<v Speaker 1>after the first fall rains. What happened in October twenty

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen made me question everything. I was forty five then

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<v Speaker 1>going through a rough patch, lost my job at the mill,

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<v Speaker 1>my husband had left the year before, and picking mushrooms

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<v Speaker 1>was about the only thing keeping me sane. Plus, with

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<v Speaker 1>the commercial buyers paying good money for Shantarell's, it was

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<v Speaker 1>keeping me afloat financially. That Tuesday, I headed out before

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<v Speaker 1>dawn to my best spot. It's about an hour's drive

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<v Speaker 1>from Tillamook, then another forty minutes on logging roads way

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<v Speaker 1>back in there, second growth forest that's been left alone

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<v Speaker 1>for fifty years, the kind of place where the moss

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<v Speaker 1>hangs thick and the air always smells like earth and rain.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd been picking since first light, had about fifteen pounds

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<v Speaker 1>in my bucket, good haul. The rain had been perfect

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<v Speaker 1>that week, enough to bring up the mushrooms, but not

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<v Speaker 1>so much that they got water logged. I was working

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<v Speaker 1>my way along a hillside, eyes on the ground, when

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<v Speaker 1>I noticed I'd wandered into an area I didn't recognize.

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<v Speaker 1>That's hard to do when you know a place as

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<v Speaker 1>well as I knew those woods. But I must have

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<v Speaker 1>followed the mushrooms farther than usual, ended up in this

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<v Speaker 1>little valley I'd never seen before, old growth on the slopes,

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<v Speaker 1>creek running through the bottom, beautiful spot untouched. The mushrooms

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<v Speaker 1>were incredible. There chantrell's the size of my hand, growing

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<v Speaker 1>in clusters under the hemlocks. I got excited, started filling

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<v Speaker 1>my bucket fast. Should have paid more attention to my surroundings.

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<v Speaker 1>Should have noticed how quiet it had gotten. When you're

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<v Speaker 1>focused on the ground looking for that golden color in

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<v Speaker 1>the doff, you tune out a lot. But eventually the

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<v Speaker 1>silence got through to me. No birds, no squirrels, even

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<v Speaker 1>the creek seemed muted. I stood up, stretched my back,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's when the smell hit me. You know when

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<v Speaker 1>you open an old freezer that's been unplugged. That funk

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<v Speaker 1>of old meat and mildew like that, but mixed with

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<v Speaker 1>wet dog and something sharp, almost like ammonia, strong enough

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<v Speaker 1>that I had to breathe through my mouth. I looked around,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to figure out where it was coming from. That's

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<v Speaker 1>when I saw the structures about thirty yards up slope,

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<v Speaker 1>built between two huge cedars. Were these I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what to call them shelters. They were made of branches

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<v Speaker 1>woven together, covered with moss and ferns. Like the He'd

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<v Speaker 1>been there a while, but the construction was deliberate. Branches

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<v Speaker 1>bent and twisted into art shapes, lashed together with what

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<v Speaker 1>looked like strips of bark. There were three of them,

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<v Speaker 1>different sizes. The biggest was maybe eight feet tall and

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<v Speaker 1>ten feet across, big enough to stand up in if

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<v Speaker 1>you were tall. They weren't like any hunting blinds or

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<v Speaker 1>homeless camps I'd ever seen, too well made, two integrated

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<v Speaker 1>into the forest. I should have left right then. Every

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<v Speaker 1>instinct I had was screaming at me to get out,

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<v Speaker 1>but curiosity won. I walked closer, trying to see inside

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest structure. The entrance was low, maybe four feet high.

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<v Speaker 1>I had to crouch to look in. The smell was

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<v Speaker 1>overwhelming there made my eyes water. Inside was dark, but

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<v Speaker 1>I could make out shapes, a bed of sorts made

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<v Speaker 1>from cedar boughs, laid over a frame of sticks, and

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<v Speaker 1>in the back, barely visible were bones, lots of bones.

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<v Speaker 1>I backed out fast, part hammering started to turn around

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<v Speaker 1>and froze. There were footprints around the shelters. Everywhere, different

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<v Speaker 1>sizes but all the same shape, human like but not.

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<v Speaker 1>The biggest ones were at least eighteen inches long. That's

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<v Speaker 1>when I heard the whistle, long and low, coming from

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere above me on the slope, not like any bird

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<v Speaker 1>I knew. It held for maybe ten seconds, then stopped

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<v Speaker 1>a few seconds later. Another whistle answered from across the valley,

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<v Speaker 1>then a third from downstream. I ran, didn't care about

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<v Speaker 1>my mushrooms, didn't care about staying quiet, just ran behind me.

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<v Speaker 1>I heard crashing in the underbrush, not following me exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>but moving parallel, keeping pace. The whistles came more frequently,

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<v Speaker 1>seemed like they were coordinating. I'm not a young woman,

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<v Speaker 1>and running through thick forest with a full pack isn't easy.

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<v Speaker 1>After maybe ten minutes, I had to stop, gasping for air.

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<v Speaker 1>The moment I stopped, everything went quiet, No more crashing,

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<v Speaker 1>no more whistles, just my own ragged breathing. But I

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<v Speaker 1>could feel them watching. You know that sensation like pressure

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<v Speaker 1>on your skin, That's what it felt like. I started

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<v Speaker 1>walking again, fast as I could manage, trying to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out where I was. Nothing looked familiar. In my panic,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd run the wrong direction. The sun was getting low,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe two hours of light left. I picked a direction

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<v Speaker 1>that seemed right and kept moving. Every hundred yards or so,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd hear movement in the brush behind me. When I stopped,

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<v Speaker 1>it stopped. When I moved, it moved. After an hour

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<v Speaker 1>of this cat and mouse game, I came to a

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<v Speaker 1>small clearing. The whistle came again, very close. I turned

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<v Speaker 1>around slowly. At the edge of the clearing, maybe twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five feet away. Something stood behind a big maple. I

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<v Speaker 1>could see part of it, a shoulder and arm covered

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<v Speaker 1>in reddish brown hair. The arm was huge, muscled like

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<v Speaker 1>a bodybuilder's, but longer, wrong proportions for a human. It

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<v Speaker 1>leaned out slightly and I saw part of its face,

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<v Speaker 1>heavy brow, deep set eyes that caught the fading light.

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<v Speaker 1>The face was almost human, but not quite, like looking

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<v Speaker 1>at a reflection in disturbed water. It watched me for

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<v Speaker 1>maybe five seconds, then pulled back behind the tree. I

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<v Speaker 1>stood there, shaking, trying to decide what to do. Running

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<v Speaker 1>seemed pointless. It was faster than me. Fighting was impossible,

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<v Speaker 1>so I did the only thing I could think of.

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<v Speaker 1>I took off my pack, pulled out my lunch, a sandwich,

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<v Speaker 1>and apple I hadn't eaten and set them in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of the clearing. The woods went very still. I

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<v Speaker 1>backed away, slowly, keeping my eyes on the maple tree.

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<v Speaker 1>When I reached the far side of the clearing, I

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<v Speaker 1>turned and walked away, not running, just walking steady. Behind me,

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<v Speaker 1>I heard movement, something approaching the circle. I didn't look back,

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<v Speaker 1>kept walking as the light faded, trying to stay calm.

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<v Speaker 1>About twenty minutes later I hit an old logging road,

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<v Speaker 1>not one I recognized, but any road was better than

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<v Speaker 1>the forest. I followed it downhill, figuring it had to

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<v Speaker 1>lead somewhere. Full dark. By the time I saw headlights

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<v Speaker 1>a truck coming up the road. I waved frantically and

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<v Speaker 1>it stopped. Young guy maybe twenty five, looked concerned, asked

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<v Speaker 1>if I was okay, said I looked pretty shaken up.

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<v Speaker 1>I told him I'd gotten turned around picking mushrooms, lost

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<v Speaker 1>track of time. He offered to drive me back to

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<v Speaker 1>my truck. Said I was lucky. This road dead ended

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<v Speaker 1>in another mile and there wasn't another vehicle for ten miles.

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<v Speaker 1>During the drive, I asked him about the area. He

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<v Speaker 1>got quiet, then said his dad had logged these parts

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<v Speaker 1>in the eighties, always told him there were places you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't go, especially alone. Some valleys were off limits, had

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<v Speaker 1>been as long as anyone, and remembered. We drove in

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<v Speaker 1>silence after that. When we got to my truck, he

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<v Speaker 1>waited until I got it started, then said something that

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<v Speaker 1>stuck with me. He said his dad once saw something

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<v Speaker 1>up here that made him quit logging. Never said what,

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<v Speaker 1>but he never came back to these woods. I thanked

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<v Speaker 1>him and drove home. Didn't go back for my mushroom bucket,

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<v Speaker 1>didn't go back to that area ever again. But I

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<v Speaker 1>did do some research. Found out that indigenous peoples in

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<v Speaker 1>the area have stories going back centuries about the hairy

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<v Speaker 1>giants and the mountains. They left offerings, stayed out of

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<v Speaker 1>certain valleys, had rules about when and where you could go.

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<v Speaker 1>We've forgotten those rules, but that doesn't mean they've stopped applying.

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<v Speaker 1>I still pick mushrooms, but only in areas I know well,

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<v Speaker 1>places close to Rhodes. I never go alone anymore, and

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<v Speaker 1>when the woods go quiet, when that feeling of being

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<v Speaker 1>watched gets too strong, I leave. No amount of Chanterell's

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<v Speaker 1>is worth meeting whatever's out there. Sometimes I think about

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<v Speaker 1>that circle of mushrooms. Wonder if it was some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of ritual or message. Wonder what would have happened if

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<v Speaker 1>I hadn't left food. Wonder if that was the only

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<v Speaker 1>thing that saved me. But mostly I try not to

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<v Speaker 1>think about it at all. Some knowledge comes with a

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<v Speaker 1>price that's too high to pay. Some mysteries are better

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<v Speaker 1>left unsolved. And some parts of the forest belong to

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<v Speaker 1>things that were here long before us. And we'll be

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<v Speaker 1>here long after we're gone. That was Janet's encounter from

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<v Speaker 1>the Oregon Coast Range in twenty sixteen. What strikes me

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<v Speaker 1>about her story is the deliberate nature of those structures

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<v Speaker 1>she found, shelters woven into the landscape with a skill

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<v Speaker 1>that suggests generations of knowledge, and that moment when she

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<v Speaker 1>left food in the clearing, that might have been the

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<v Speaker 1>only thing that allowed her to walk out of those woods.

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<v Speaker 1>But sometimes these encounters happen in the most unlikely places.

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<v Speaker 1>Our next story comes from Bill, a long haul trucker

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<v Speaker 1>who spent over two decades driving the Dalton Highway in Alaska.

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<v Speaker 1>If you know anything about that road, you know it's

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most isolated stretches in North America. Five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred miles of wilderness, ice and emptiness, the perfect place

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<v Speaker 1>for something that doesn't want to be found. What Bill

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<v Speaker 1>saw one September night in two thousand and eight at

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<v Speaker 1>a remote pull off changed how he understood what shares

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<v Speaker 1>of times in all kinds of weather, seen wolves, bears, moose,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing but wilderness. The Dalton Highway isn't a road for tourists.

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<v Speaker 1>It was late, around two am, and I was somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>The pull off was just a wide spot in the

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<v Speaker 1>I pulled over, set the brakes, and climbed down from

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<v Speaker 1>the ditch was a caribou. Dead, looked fresh, not unusual

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<v Speaker 1>in itself, animals get hit on the Hall road all

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<v Speaker 1>the time. But the position was wrong. It wasn't sprawled

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<v Speaker 1>out like a roadkill. It was arranged, laid out neat

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<v Speaker 1>that I could see, just dead and carefully positioned. That's

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<v Speaker 1>when I noticed the smell, rank, like wet dog mixed

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<v Speaker 1>with something rotting. I've smelled dead animals before, but this

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<v Speaker 1>was different. Musker Wilder made the hair on my neck

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<v Speaker 1>stand up. I swept the flashlight around, and that's when

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<v Speaker 1>I saw the prints in the soft gravel on the

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<v Speaker 1>shoulder leading from the trees to the cariboo. They looked

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<v Speaker 1>was impossible. My boot is a size twelve, and these

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<v Speaker 1>prints made mine look like a child's. I followed the

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<v Speaker 1>tracks with my light. They came out of the forest,

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<v Speaker 1>went to the cariboo, then headed back into the trees

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<v Speaker 1>ot to see. We'll be right back. After these messages,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever made them walked upright and had a stride that

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<v Speaker 1>must have been close to six feet. I should have

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<v Speaker 1>gotten back in my truck right then, but truck drivers

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<v Speaker 1>are curious people. You don't last in this job if

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<v Speaker 1>you're easily spooked. So I kept looking around, trying to

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<v Speaker 1>make sense of what I was seeing. About ten yards

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<v Speaker 1>into the tree line, I found more evidence. Branches broken

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<v Speaker 1>and hanging from one of the broken branches was a

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<v Speaker 1>clump of hair, dark brown, coarse, about six inches long.

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<v Speaker 1>I reached up to touch it, then thought better of it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's when I heard the breathing, deep rhythmic breathing coming

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<v Speaker 1>from somewhere in the darkness beyond my flashlight beam. Not

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<v Speaker 1>like a bear, I know what bears sound like. This

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<v Speaker 1>was deeper, more controlled, like bellows working. I backed up slowly,

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<v Speaker 1>keeping the light pointed toward the sound. The breathing followed,

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<v Speaker 1>staying just outside the range of my beam. I could

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<v Speaker 1>hear footsteps, now heavy and deliberate, pacing me as I

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<v Speaker 1>I turned and walked quickly toward my truck, not running.

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<v Speaker 1>Something told me running would be bad. The footsteps stopped

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<v Speaker 1>at the tree line, but the breathing continued. I could

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<v Speaker 1>feel eyes on me, that primitive sensation that says you're

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<v Speaker 1>being watched by something that might eat you. I climbed

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<v Speaker 1>up into my cab, locked the doors, and started the engine.

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<v Speaker 1>As I put it in gear, my headlights swept across

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<v Speaker 1>the trees. For just a second, I saw it standing

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<v Speaker 1>between two spruces, maybe forty feet away. It was massive,

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<v Speaker 1>had to be eight feet tall, probably more covered in

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<v Speaker 1>dark hair that looked black in the lights. The body

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<v Speaker 1>was built like a man, but way bigger, shoulders too broad, arms,

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<v Speaker 1>too long, everything out of proportion. The face was what

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<v Speaker 1>got me, heavy brow, deep set eyes that reflected my

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<v Speaker 1>lights like a predator's, almost human features, but distorted like

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<v Speaker 1>someone had grabbed a face and pulled it into a

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<v Speaker 1>new shape. It didn't move, just stood there watching me,

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<v Speaker 1>staring directly at me, like it was saying, I see

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<v Speaker 1>you seeing me. I hit the gas got out of

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<v Speaker 1>there fast as a loaded truck could go, didn't stop

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<v Speaker 1>again until I reached the Yukon River camp, sixty miles south.

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<v Speaker 1>When I pulled in, the guy at the fuel station

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<v Speaker 1>took one look at me and asked what happened. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess I looked pretty shook up. I told him I'd

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<v Speaker 1>seen something weird up the road. He nodded like he

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<v Speaker 1>knew exactly what I meant. Said. They get reports sometimes,

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<v Speaker 1>truckers seeing things, hunters finding tracks, pipeline workers hearing sounds

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<v Speaker 1>they can't explain. Unofficially, everyone knows there's something out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Officially it's always bears or wool or over active imaginations.

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<v Speaker 1>He told me, I was lucky. Usually they stay away

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<v Speaker 1>from the road, keep to the deep wilderness, but sometimes,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in fall, when they're moving around more, they come close.

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<v Speaker 1>The Cariboo was probably a territorial marker, a way of

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<v Speaker 1>saying this is their area. I finished the run to Fairbanks,

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<v Speaker 1>filed my paperwork, went home, but I couldn't stop thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about what I'd seen. Started asking around quiet like found

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<v Speaker 1>out there's a whole history of sidings up there. Native

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<v Speaker 1>peoples have stories going back forever. The pipeline workers in

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<v Speaker 1>the seventies had encounters. They were told not to report.

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<v Speaker 1>Other truckers had seen things, but kept quiet to avoid

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<v Speaker 1>being labeled crazy. One old timer told me something interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, they're migratory, following the Cariboo herds spring and fall,

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<v Speaker 1>they moved through certain areas. The Hall Road cut right

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<v Speaker 1>through one of their travel routes. That's why most sidings

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<v Speaker 1>happened in September and April. He also said they're smart,

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<v Speaker 1>they know about trucks. No, we're just passing through. As

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<v Speaker 1>long as we don't stop too long in their territory,

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<v Speaker 1>they leave us alone. But sometimes they get curious, want

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<v Speaker 1>a closer look. That's what happened to me, I stopped

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<v Speaker 1>in the wrong place at the wrong time, and one

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<v Speaker 1>came to investigate. I've done that run probably one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>times since then, never stopped at that pull off again,

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<v Speaker 1>never seen another one. But sometimes, especially on those dark

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<v Speaker 1>September nights, I'll see something in the trees, a shape

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<v Speaker 1>that's too tall, movement that's too fluid. I keep driving,

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<v Speaker 1>don't even slow down. Other truckers have their own stories,

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<v Speaker 1>rocks thrown at trucks, woodpiles arranged in patterns, sounds that

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<v Speaker 1>don't match any known animal. We all know something's out there,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's an unspoken rule. You don't report it, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't make a big deal about it. You just drive

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<v Speaker 1>and let them have their space. Because here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>They were there first, long before the pipeline, before the road,

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<v Speaker 1>before any of us. We're the ones passing through their territory,

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<v Speaker 1>and as long as we keep moving, they seem content

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<v Speaker 1>to let us pass. But I'll never forget that face

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<v Speaker 1>in my headlights, the intelligence in those eyes, the way

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<v Speaker 1>it stared directly at me, like it was acknowledging our

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<v Speaker 1>brief moment of contact. It changed how I see the

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<v Speaker 1>wilderness up there, changed how I understand what shares this

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<v Speaker 1>land with us. Now, when I drive that stretch of road,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm more careful. I don't stop unless I absolutely have to.

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<v Speaker 1>And when the darkness presses in and the trees seem

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<v Speaker 1>to close around the road, I remember that we're not

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<v Speaker 1>alone out there, never have been, never will be. Some

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<v Speaker 1>things are meant to stay hidden, some boundaries aren't meant

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<v Speaker 1>to be crossed, and some mysteries are better left unsolved.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I learned that night on the Dalton Highway.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I remember every time I make that run.

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<v Speaker 1>The wilderness up there is vast empty in a way

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<v Speaker 1>most people can't imagine. Plenty of room for things we

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<v Speaker 1>don't understand, plenty of space for creatures that know how

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<v Speaker 1>to stay hidden when they want to. I'm retiring next year.

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<v Speaker 1>Thirty years of driving these roads is enough. Part of

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<v Speaker 1>me will miss it, the solitude, the beauty, the challenge.

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<v Speaker 1>But I won't miss those night runs through that particular stretch.

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<v Speaker 1>Won't miss the feeling of being watched from the darkness

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<v Speaker 1>beyond my lights. Because they're out there, whatever they are,

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<v Speaker 1>they're real, and the best thing we can do is

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<v Speaker 1>give them their space and hope they continue to give

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<v Speaker 1>us hours. Bill's encounter on the Dalton Highway shows us

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<v Speaker 1>something important. These beings are everywhere, from the Oregon forests

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<v Speaker 1>to the Alaskan tundra. That caribou arranged so carefully, those

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<v Speaker 1>massive footprints in the gravel, and that moment when Bill's

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<v Speaker 1>headlights caught it watching him. It's the intelligence behind these

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<v Speaker 1>actions that makes you realize we're dealing with something far

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<v Speaker 1>more complex than any known animal, Which brings me to

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<v Speaker 1>Rachel's story. She was a Forest Service crew leader in Montana,

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<v Speaker 1>someone who'd spent more nights in the back country than

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<v Speaker 1>most people spend in their own beds. In July twenty twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>she and her crew helicoptered into the Cellway bitter Root

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<v Speaker 1>Wilderness for what should have been a routine week of

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<v Speaker 1>trail maintenance. But when something started visiting their camp at night,

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<v Speaker 1>examining their gear, rearranging their equipment, and making sounds that

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<v Speaker 1>seemed almost like language, Rachel realized they'd set up camp

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<v Speaker 1>in someone else's territory. I worked for the Forest Service

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<v Speaker 1>for twelve years, mostly in the Bitterroot National Forest along

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<v Speaker 1>the Montana Idaho border. Did everything from trail maintenance to

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<v Speaker 1>fire prevention. Spent more nights in the back country than

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<v Speaker 1>I did in my own bed. The name's Rachel, and

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<v Speaker 1>what happened in July twenty twelve made me rethink everything

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<v Speaker 1>I thought I knew about those mountains. I was thirty four,

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<v Speaker 1>then crew leader for a trail maintenance team. We were

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<v Speaker 1>working on a section of trail about fifteen miles from

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<v Speaker 1>the nearest road way back in the Cellway bitter Root Wilderness.

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<v Speaker 1>It's rough country, steep terrain, thick forest, the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>place where you can walk for days without seeing another human.

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<v Speaker 1>There were four of us on the crew, me, Jake, Marcus,

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<v Speaker 1>and Annie, all experienced backcountry workers. We'd helicopter in on

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<v Speaker 1>Monday with our gear, work all week, clearing deadfall and

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<v Speaker 1>repairing washouts, then hike out Friday. It was hard work

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<v Speaker 1>but satisfying, and I loved being that far from civilization.

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<v Speaker 1>This particular week, we set up base camp near a

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<v Speaker 1>small alpine lake, beautiful spot surrounded by lodge pole pines,

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<v Speaker 1>peaks rising all around. We'd work this area before, knew

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<v Speaker 1>it well or thought we did. Tuesday night, things got weird.

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<v Speaker 1>We were sitting around after dinner planning the next day's

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<v Speaker 1>work when Jake noticed something. He'd hung his path from

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<v Speaker 1>a tree about thirty feet from camp standard bear precaution,

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<v Speaker 1>but the pack was swaying. No wind, no animals visible,

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<v Speaker 1>but the pack was moving like something was examining it.

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<v Speaker 1>We all turned our headlamps that direction. The pack stopped

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<v Speaker 1>moving immediately. Jake walked over to check it out, found

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<v Speaker 1>Said there were prints around the tree, big ones. I

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<v Speaker 1>went to look in the soft duff beneath the tree

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<v Speaker 1>were several impressions, not clear prints, but depressions where something

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<v Speaker 1>heavy had stood. Whatever made them had been tall enough

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<v Speaker 1>to reach Jake's pack without jumping. It was hung a

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<v Speaker 1>good ten feet up. We laughed it off, made jokes

413
00:24:43.559 --> 00:24:46.960
<v Speaker 1>about Jake seeing things, but that night I set up

414
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<v Speaker 1>the trail cameras we used for wildlife monitoring, just in

415
00:24:50.440 --> 00:24:54.720
<v Speaker 1>case Wednesday was normal. We worked hard, cleared about a

416
00:24:54.759 --> 00:24:57.720
<v Speaker 1>mile of trail, but coming back to camp that evening

417
00:24:58.000 --> 00:25:00.920
<v Speaker 1>we all noticed the smell hit us about one hundred

418
00:25:01.000 --> 00:25:05.519
<v Speaker 1>yards out musky wild like a bare den, but stronger,

419
00:25:06.279 --> 00:25:08.279
<v Speaker 1>and he said it smelled like the primate house at

420
00:25:08.279 --> 00:25:12.200
<v Speaker 1>the zoo. But concentrated. The smell got stronger as we

421
00:25:12.359 --> 00:25:17.079
<v Speaker 1>entered camp. Our tents were fine, gear undisturbed, but something

422
00:25:17.119 --> 00:25:20.920
<v Speaker 1>had been there. The fire ring was dismantled, rocks moved

423
00:25:20.920 --> 00:25:25.480
<v Speaker 1>into a different pattern, not scattered, deliberately rearranged into a

424
00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:29.559
<v Speaker 1>rough circle. About ten feet across. Marcus found more tracks.

425
00:25:30.079 --> 00:25:33.039
<v Speaker 1>These were clearer, pressed into a muddy spot near the

426
00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:37.599
<v Speaker 1>lake shore. Human shaped but huge. I put my boot

427
00:25:37.640 --> 00:25:40.640
<v Speaker 1>next to one for comparison. The track was nearly twice

428
00:25:40.680 --> 00:25:45.240
<v Speaker 1>as long, five toes, clearly visible, ball of foot heel,

429
00:25:45.759 --> 00:25:48.920
<v Speaker 1>even what looked like an arch, but the proportions were

430
00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:52.119
<v Speaker 1>off the big toe, more separated than a humans would be.

431
00:25:53.000 --> 00:25:55.839
<v Speaker 1>I checked the trail. Cameras should have had images of

432
00:25:55.839 --> 00:25:59.279
<v Speaker 1>whatever visited our camp, but both cameras were turned to

433
00:25:59.279 --> 00:26:03.599
<v Speaker 1>face the treees not knocked down or damaged, carefully rotated

434
00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:06.640
<v Speaker 1>on their mounts to point away from camp. Whatever did

435
00:26:06.680 --> 00:26:10.279
<v Speaker 1>it understood what the cameras were for. That night, we

436
00:26:10.319 --> 00:26:14.720
<v Speaker 1>stayed up late, kept the fire burning high. Around midnight,

437
00:26:14.960 --> 00:26:18.799
<v Speaker 1>the whistling started, long, sustained notes that seemed to come

438
00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:22.319
<v Speaker 1>from different directions, not like any bird or animal. I

439
00:26:22.400 --> 00:26:28.519
<v Speaker 1>knew the notes would overlap harmonize, almost like communication. Jake

440
00:26:28.599 --> 00:26:32.200
<v Speaker 1>wanted to investigate, but I shut that down. We were

441
00:26:32.200 --> 00:26:36.319
<v Speaker 1>fifteen miles from help, no radio contact, no cell service,

442
00:26:37.039 --> 00:26:39.680
<v Speaker 1>whatever was out there, we weren't equipped to deal with it.

443
00:26:40.440 --> 00:26:43.240
<v Speaker 1>We agreed to pack up at first light, hike out early,

444
00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:47.519
<v Speaker 1>but they weren't done with us. Around three am, something

445
00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:50.640
<v Speaker 1>entered camp. We were all in our tents, but I

446
00:26:50.720 --> 00:26:56.279
<v Speaker 1>was awake, listening footsteps, heavy but careful, moving between the tents.

447
00:26:56.640 --> 00:26:58.880
<v Speaker 1>It stopped at each one, and I could hear breathing,

448
00:26:59.519 --> 00:27:03.680
<v Speaker 1>deep controlled breathing, like it was smelling us. When it

449
00:27:03.720 --> 00:27:05.880
<v Speaker 1>got to my tent, I could see the shadow through

450
00:27:05.920 --> 00:27:11.400
<v Speaker 1>the fabric, massive, probably seven feet tall, maybe more. It

451
00:27:11.440 --> 00:27:14.960
<v Speaker 1>pressed against the tent wall gently, the fabric bowing inward.

452
00:27:15.680 --> 00:27:18.920
<v Speaker 1>I held my breath, hand on my bare spray, trying

453
00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:22.240
<v Speaker 1>not to move. Then it made a sound I'll never forget.

454
00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:26.119
<v Speaker 1>Started as a low rumble, almost below the range of hearing,

455
00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:30.200
<v Speaker 1>rose into something between a hum and a growl. But

456
00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:33.759
<v Speaker 1>there was a pattern to it, a rhythm. It sounded

457
00:27:33.799 --> 00:27:36.799
<v Speaker 1>like a language, like it was trying to speak. The

458
00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:39.880
<v Speaker 1>sound went on for maybe thirty seconds, then the shadow

459
00:27:39.960 --> 00:27:43.160
<v Speaker 1>moved away. I heard it at the other tents, making

460
00:27:43.200 --> 00:27:47.119
<v Speaker 1>similar sounds, different tones for each tent, like it was

461
00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:51.599
<v Speaker 1>addressing us individually. The footsteps moved away from camp. I

462
00:27:51.640 --> 00:27:55.359
<v Speaker 1>waited another hour before carefully unzipping my tent and looking out.

463
00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:59.119
<v Speaker 1>The others were doing the same. We all looked scared,

464
00:27:59.480 --> 00:28:03.119
<v Speaker 1>but also amazed. We'd all heard it, all felt it.

465
00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:08.519
<v Speaker 1>Examining our tents by flashlight, we found more evidence. Tracks everywhere,

466
00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:13.440
<v Speaker 1>circling the camp multiple times, but also strange arrangements pine

467
00:28:13.480 --> 00:28:18.319
<v Speaker 1>cones placed in lines, sticks balanced impossibly on end, rocks

468
00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:22.400
<v Speaker 1>stacked in small cairns. It looked like art, or messages,

469
00:28:23.000 --> 00:28:26.559
<v Speaker 1>or something we couldn't understand. We packed up in the dark.

470
00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:30.880
<v Speaker 1>We're on the trail by five am, but we weren't alone.

471
00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:33.160
<v Speaker 1>As we hiked out, we could hear movement in the

472
00:28:33.160 --> 00:28:38.519
<v Speaker 1>forest parallel to us, sometimes ahead, sometimes behind, always just

473
00:28:38.559 --> 00:28:43.079
<v Speaker 1>out of sight. When we stopped, it stopped when we moved.

474
00:28:43.400 --> 00:28:46.920
<v Speaker 1>It moved about five miles from the trailhead. We found

475
00:28:46.920 --> 00:28:49.599
<v Speaker 1>a final message. In the middle of the trail was

476
00:28:49.640 --> 00:28:53.480
<v Speaker 1>an arrangement of objects, stones in a circle, feathers in

477
00:28:53.519 --> 00:28:57.000
<v Speaker 1>the center, and spanning across the trail, a barrier made

478
00:28:57.039 --> 00:29:00.680
<v Speaker 1>of crossed branches. It wasn't meant to stop us. We

479
00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:03.440
<v Speaker 1>could easily step over it. It felt more like a

480
00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:07.680
<v Speaker 1>boundary marker, a line we were crossing. We carefully moved

481
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:11.359
<v Speaker 1>the branches aside and continued the feeling of being watched

482
00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:14.640
<v Speaker 1>faded after that, like we'd passed out of their territory.

483
00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:18.640
<v Speaker 1>Made it to the trailhead by noon. Exhausted and shaken,

484
00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:23.480
<v Speaker 1>I filed my report, included everything. My supervisor read it,

485
00:29:23.720 --> 00:29:26.039
<v Speaker 1>locked it in his desk, told me to write another

486
00:29:26.119 --> 00:29:29.359
<v Speaker 1>version that mentioned aggressive bear activity as the reason we

487
00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:32.799
<v Speaker 1>left early. That's what went in the official file. But

488
00:29:32.839 --> 00:29:35.839
<v Speaker 1>he also told me something interesting. Said there had been

489
00:29:35.880 --> 00:29:39.920
<v Speaker 1>similar reports from that area going back decades, always the

490
00:29:39.920 --> 00:29:45.640
<v Speaker 1>same pattern, curious approach, nonviolent contact, apparent attempts at communication.

491
00:29:46.599 --> 00:29:51.200
<v Speaker 1>The Forest Service unofficially designated certain areas as culturally sensitive,

492
00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:55.279
<v Speaker 1>which meant crews were discouraged from working there. The area

493
00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:58.359
<v Speaker 1>we'd been in. It was on the list, but somebody

494
00:29:58.359 --> 00:30:02.359
<v Speaker 1>had forgotten to update the current mapp apps and stay

495
00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:04.880
<v Speaker 1>tuned for more sasquatch ot to see We'll be right back.

496
00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:11.960
<v Speaker 1>After these messages, I went back to the bitter Root

497
00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:15.200
<v Speaker 1>many times after that, but never to that particular Valley.

498
00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:22.160
<v Speaker 1>Other crew leaders reported similar experiences, equipment carefully examined, objects rearranged,

499
00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:27.720
<v Speaker 1>those strange vocalizations, always in the same general areas, always

500
00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:31.200
<v Speaker 1>following the same pattern. What struck me most was the

501
00:30:31.240 --> 00:30:34.799
<v Speaker 1>intelligence behind it all. The way they turned our cameras,

502
00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:39.039
<v Speaker 1>the careful examination of our gear. These weren't the actions

503
00:30:39.039 --> 00:30:43.799
<v Speaker 1>of animals. This was curiosity, maybe even an attempt at contact.

504
00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:48.160
<v Speaker 1>I left the Forest Service in twenty eighteen, moved to Missoula,

505
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:51.559
<v Speaker 1>got a desk job. But I still think about that night,

506
00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:54.759
<v Speaker 1>about the shadow at my tent, the sounds it made.

507
00:30:55.559 --> 00:30:59.000
<v Speaker 1>Was it trying to communicate? What did those arrangements mean?

508
00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:03.160
<v Speaker 1>What would have happened if we'd stayed. Sometimes I research

509
00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:07.759
<v Speaker 1>other encounters, looking for patterns. The whistling seems common, and

510
00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:13.200
<v Speaker 1>the object arrangements. People report similar vocalizations, like attempted speech.

511
00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:16.000
<v Speaker 1>It makes me wonder if they're trying to bridge the

512
00:31:16.039 --> 00:31:20.079
<v Speaker 1>gap between us. But we're too different, too afraid to understand.

513
00:31:20.960 --> 00:31:23.240
<v Speaker 1>I keep in touch with Annie, she's still with the

514
00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:26.960
<v Speaker 1>Forest Service, working in Washington now. She told me she's

515
00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:31.599
<v Speaker 1>heard similar stories from Creus. There, same patterns, same behaviors,

516
00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:35.440
<v Speaker 1>Like there's a parallel society and the deep wilderness. One

517
00:31:35.440 --> 00:31:39.200
<v Speaker 1>that watches us, studies us, maybe even tries to communicate,

518
00:31:39.799 --> 00:31:43.559
<v Speaker 1>but we run. We always run, too scared to stay

519
00:31:43.599 --> 00:31:46.400
<v Speaker 1>and see what they want. Two locked into our view

520
00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:48.400
<v Speaker 1>of the world to accept that we might share it

521
00:31:48.440 --> 00:31:52.960
<v Speaker 1>with something else, something intelligent, something that might have things

522
00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:55.119
<v Speaker 1>to teach us, if we could just overcome our fear.

523
00:31:55.839 --> 00:31:58.759
<v Speaker 1>That's what haunts me. Not the fear I felt that night,

524
00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:02.440
<v Speaker 1>but the missed opportun tunity, the chance to make contact

525
00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:06.359
<v Speaker 1>with something extraordinary, and I ran away. We all did,

526
00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:11.119
<v Speaker 1>just like everyone before us and probably everyone after. They're

527
00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:15.839
<v Speaker 1>still out there, still watching, still trying, and we're still running,

528
00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:18.720
<v Speaker 1>still refusing to see what's right in front of us.

529
00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:22.160
<v Speaker 1>Maybe someday someone will be brave enough to stay, to

530
00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:26.200
<v Speaker 1>try to understand. But it wasn't me, and I'll always

531
00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:29.599
<v Speaker 1>wonder what might have been. Rachel's experience with her crew

532
00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:33.440
<v Speaker 1>shows us something fascinating. These beings don't just observe us

533
00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:37.839
<v Speaker 1>from a distance. They study us, try to understand our technology,

534
00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:42.519
<v Speaker 1>maybe even attempt to communicate. Those vocalizations at each tent,

535
00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:46.400
<v Speaker 1>different for each person, suggest a level of sophistication. We're

536
00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:50.519
<v Speaker 1>only beginning to grasp, but sometimes the communication goes beyond

537
00:32:50.599 --> 00:32:55.359
<v Speaker 1>sounds and observations. Sometimes they leave things behind. That's what

538
00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:58.759
<v Speaker 1>happened to Tom, a bow hunter from Michigan's Upper Peninsula.

539
00:32:59.440 --> 00:33:02.440
<v Speaker 1>He'd been hunting those woods for twenty years, knew every

540
00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:06.519
<v Speaker 1>trail and clearing, but during the twenty fourteen season, he

541
00:33:06.599 --> 00:33:09.640
<v Speaker 1>became the recipient of gifts that would challenge his understanding

542
00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:13.240
<v Speaker 1>of the natural world. My name's Tom, and I've been

543
00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:16.839
<v Speaker 1>bow hunting the Upper Peninsula for over twenty years. I

544
00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:19.640
<v Speaker 1>know the woods up there like most people know their neighborhoods,

545
00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:24.119
<v Speaker 1>every trail, every clearing, every place the big bucks liked

546
00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:27.400
<v Speaker 1>to bed down. But what happened during the twenty fourteen

547
00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:31.839
<v Speaker 1>season changed everything for me. It was early November peak rut,

548
00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:35.480
<v Speaker 1>and I was hunting state land near the Hiawatha National Forest.

549
00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:39.200
<v Speaker 1>I'd been scouting this area all summer, had three good

550
00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:43.079
<v Speaker 1>stands set up along travel corridors. The spot was about

551
00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:46.279
<v Speaker 1>eight miles from the nearest paved road, accessed by an

552
00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:49.559
<v Speaker 1>old two track that most people didn't know about. I

553
00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:52.440
<v Speaker 1>went in on a Tuesday, planning to hunt through the weekend.

554
00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:55.119
<v Speaker 1>Set up my camp about a half mile from my

555
00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:59.400
<v Speaker 1>best stand, small tent, minimal gear, trying to keep my

556
00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:04.000
<v Speaker 1>scent and noise down. I'd hunted this way for years, alone,

557
00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:06.920
<v Speaker 1>deep in the woods where the pressure from other hunters

558
00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:12.440
<v Speaker 1>pushed the deer. Wednesday morning was perfect, cold, still, frost

559
00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:15.840
<v Speaker 1>on everything. I was in my stand an hour before

560
00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:20.320
<v Speaker 1>light bow ready watching the woods wake up. Around eight

561
00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:23.199
<v Speaker 1>that morning, I had two doughs pass within twenty yards,

562
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:26.840
<v Speaker 1>then a small buck. I let them go, waiting for

563
00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:31.039
<v Speaker 1>something bigger. That's when things got strange. The woods went

564
00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:37.280
<v Speaker 1>completely silent, not normal, quiet, dead silent. The squirrels stopped chattering,

565
00:34:37.639 --> 00:34:41.559
<v Speaker 1>birds stopped moving, Even the breeze seemed to die. In

566
00:34:41.639 --> 00:34:44.599
<v Speaker 1>twenty years of hunting, I'd never experienced anything like it.

567
00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:49.039
<v Speaker 1>Movement caught my eye about sixty yards out, something big

568
00:34:49.119 --> 00:34:52.639
<v Speaker 1>walking through the thick stuff. I raised my binoculars, trying

569
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:55.599
<v Speaker 1>to get a clear look. What I saw made no sense.

570
00:34:56.280 --> 00:34:59.119
<v Speaker 1>It was walking upright, had to be seven feet tall,

571
00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:03.239
<v Speaker 1>maybe more, covered in dark brown hair except for the face.

572
00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:07.760
<v Speaker 1>The face is what got me. Heavy features, pronounced brow

573
00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:12.320
<v Speaker 1>but unmistakably intelligent eyes. It moved through the thick brush

574
00:35:12.440 --> 00:35:15.639
<v Speaker 1>like it wasn't even there branches that would stop me. Cold,

575
00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:19.159
<v Speaker 1>barely slowing it down. I watched it for maybe ten

576
00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:22.400
<v Speaker 1>seconds before it stopped, turned its head and looked straight

577
00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:26.039
<v Speaker 1>at me, not past me or through me, at me,

578
00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:29.920
<v Speaker 1>like it had known I was there all along. We

579
00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:32.800
<v Speaker 1>stared at each other. Then it took two steps backward

580
00:35:32.840 --> 00:35:37.000
<v Speaker 1>and vanished into the brush. No sound, no snapping branches,

581
00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:41.719
<v Speaker 1>just gone. I stayed in that stand for another hour, shaking,

582
00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:46.280
<v Speaker 1>trying to process what I'd seen. Finally climbed down, went

583
00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:49.559
<v Speaker 1>back to camp. Spent the rest of the day doubting myself,

584
00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:53.880
<v Speaker 1>trying to rationalize it. Maybe someone in a suit, maybe

585
00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:58.559
<v Speaker 1>a bear standing upright. Maybe exhaustion playing tricks that night

586
00:35:58.639 --> 00:36:01.639
<v Speaker 1>convinced me otherwise. I was in my tent, reading by

587
00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:06.199
<v Speaker 1>headlamp when something walked into camp. Heavy footsteps, no attempt

588
00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:10.280
<v Speaker 1>at stealth. It circled my tent twice, breathing loud enough

589
00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:13.519
<v Speaker 1>that I could hear it clearly. The smell was overwhelming,

590
00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:16.880
<v Speaker 1>even through the tent fabric. It stopped at my pack,

591
00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:20.199
<v Speaker 1>which I'd hung from a tree branch. I heard rustling

592
00:36:20.480 --> 00:36:25.719
<v Speaker 1>zippers opening, not frantic like a bear would be, but careful, methodical.

593
00:36:26.519 --> 00:36:29.679
<v Speaker 1>I lay there, too, terrified to move, listening to it

594
00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:33.960
<v Speaker 1>go through my things. After about ten minutes, the sound stopped,

595
00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:38.079
<v Speaker 1>the footsteps moved away from camp. I waited another hour

596
00:36:38.199 --> 00:36:41.880
<v Speaker 1>before looking out. My pack was on the ground, contents

597
00:36:41.960 --> 00:36:45.639
<v Speaker 1>laid out in neat rows, food in one line, clothes

598
00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:50.639
<v Speaker 1>in another, hunting gear in a third. Nothing damaged, nothing taken,

599
00:36:51.320 --> 00:36:56.039
<v Speaker 1>just examined. Hindsight is always twenty twenty. But I know

600
00:36:56.159 --> 00:36:58.440
<v Speaker 1>now that I should have packed up right then, in

601
00:36:58.519 --> 00:37:01.960
<v Speaker 1>the dark and got now. But morning was only a

602
00:37:01.960 --> 00:37:04.800
<v Speaker 1>few hours away, and the thought of stumbling through eight

603
00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:08.400
<v Speaker 1>miles of dark forest seemed worse than staying put. I

604
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:12.079
<v Speaker 1>rebuilt my fire, kept it burning high, and sat up

605
00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:14.400
<v Speaker 1>the rest of the night with my bow across my lap.

606
00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:17.840
<v Speaker 1>Just before dawn, I heard whistling from the ridge above

607
00:37:17.880 --> 00:37:21.880
<v Speaker 1>my camp, long complex notes that seemed to have a pattern.

608
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:26.000
<v Speaker 1>Another whistle answered from across the valley, then a third

609
00:37:26.039 --> 00:37:30.760
<v Speaker 1>from downstream. They were communicating, calling to each other. As

610
00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:33.320
<v Speaker 1>soon as it was light enough to see, I packed up.

611
00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:37.480
<v Speaker 1>As I was breaking down my tent, I found footprints everywhere,

612
00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:41.679
<v Speaker 1>different sizes, but all the same shape. The biggest were

613
00:37:41.719 --> 00:37:45.840
<v Speaker 1>at least sixteen inches long, with clear tow impressions. The

614
00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:48.880
<v Speaker 1>hike out was the longest eight miles of my life.

615
00:37:48.920 --> 00:37:52.599
<v Speaker 1>I felt watched the whole way. About halfway I found

616
00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:56.119
<v Speaker 1>a dead deer in the trail, fresh killed, neck twisted,

617
00:37:56.400 --> 00:37:59.519
<v Speaker 1>laid out neat with its legs folded under. I walked

618
00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:02.599
<v Speaker 1>around it, didn't touch it, made it to my truck,

619
00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:06.519
<v Speaker 1>drove straight home to Marquette. Didn't tell anyone what happened

620
00:38:06.519 --> 00:38:10.480
<v Speaker 1>for weeks. Who would believe me? But I started researching.

621
00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:15.239
<v Speaker 1>Found online forms where people shared similar experiences. The patterns

622
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:20.320
<v Speaker 1>were consistent, the examination of gear, the whistling communication. One

623
00:38:20.360 --> 00:38:23.119
<v Speaker 1>detail that kept coming up was the intelligence in those

624
00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:26.800
<v Speaker 1>eyes and its actions. It all pointed to something with

625
00:38:26.920 --> 00:38:31.159
<v Speaker 1>human level intelligence, but completely different priorities and ways of thinking.

626
00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:34.559
<v Speaker 1>I went back to that area once the following summer,

627
00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:38.360
<v Speaker 1>not to hunt, just to see found what might have

628
00:38:38.440 --> 00:38:41.559
<v Speaker 1>been footprints in a muddy spot, but the feeling of

629
00:38:41.599 --> 00:38:44.519
<v Speaker 1>being watched was so intense I only stayed an hour.

630
00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:49.119
<v Speaker 1>Talked to some old timers at the bar, carefully indirectly.

631
00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:53.320
<v Speaker 1>One guy must have been eighty, told me his grandfather

632
00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:57.079
<v Speaker 1>had stories, said the ojibwe knew about them, called them

633
00:38:57.159 --> 00:39:00.880
<v Speaker 1>names I couldn't pronounce, said they'd always been here, had

634
00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:04.679
<v Speaker 1>their own territories, their own ways. The smart thing was

635
00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:08.039
<v Speaker 1>to respect those boundaries. He also said something that stuck

636
00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:11.159
<v Speaker 1>with me. He said, they're curious about us, but we're

637
00:39:11.159 --> 00:39:14.360
<v Speaker 1>maybe too different to really communicate, like trying to talk

638
00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:17.960
<v Speaker 1>to someone from another planet. The objects they leave might

639
00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:21.559
<v Speaker 1>be messages, but we don't have the context to understand them.

640
00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:25.480
<v Speaker 1>I still hunt, but not like before. I stick to

641
00:39:25.519 --> 00:39:29.800
<v Speaker 1>areas closer to Rhodes, places with more human activity. I

642
00:39:29.800 --> 00:39:32.559
<v Speaker 1>don't go in alone anymore. And when I feel that

643
00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:35.800
<v Speaker 1>sensation of being watched, when the woods go silent in

644
00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:40.039
<v Speaker 1>that particular way, I leave. No deer is worth encountering

645
00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:45.519
<v Speaker 1>whatever's out there. Other hunters report similar experiences, gear examined

646
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:50.519
<v Speaker 1>objects left behind that distinctive whistling. Most don't talk about

647
00:39:50.519 --> 00:39:54.559
<v Speaker 1>it publicly, but in quiet conversations after a few beers,

648
00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:58.639
<v Speaker 1>the stories come out. We all know something's there, we

649
00:39:58.760 --> 00:40:01.199
<v Speaker 1>just don't know what to do about it. Maybe that's

650
00:40:01.239 --> 00:40:05.159
<v Speaker 1>for the best. Maybe some boundaries shouldn't be crossed. Maybe

651
00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:08.079
<v Speaker 1>they have their world and we have hours, and the

652
00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:12.320
<v Speaker 1>occasional overlap is as close as we should get. But sometimes,

653
00:40:12.519 --> 00:40:16.599
<v Speaker 1>studying those patterns, I wonder what we're missing. What knowledge

654
00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:20.400
<v Speaker 1>or perspective or understanding we're too afraid to gain. That's

655
00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:24.039
<v Speaker 1>where we leave Tom's story. But the Upper Peninsula Forest

656
00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:27.760
<v Speaker 1>aren't the only places where these encounters happen. Sometimes it

657
00:40:27.800 --> 00:40:32.639
<v Speaker 1>takes extreme circumstances, moments when nature shows its most destructive face,

658
00:40:33.159 --> 00:40:37.199
<v Speaker 1>for these beings to reveal themselves. Mguil, a former hot

659
00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:40.360
<v Speaker 1>Shot Crew firefighter, discovered this truth in the smoke and

660
00:40:40.440 --> 00:40:45.400
<v Speaker 1>chaos of California's worst wildfire season. The name's Mgil, and

661
00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:47.880
<v Speaker 1>I spent eight years on a hot shot crew fighting

662
00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:51.599
<v Speaker 1>wildfires across the Western US. Saw a lot of things

663
00:40:51.679 --> 00:40:55.960
<v Speaker 1>in those years, fire behavior that didn't make sense, landscapes

664
00:40:56.000 --> 00:41:00.599
<v Speaker 1>transformed in minutes, the raw power of nature unleashed. But

665
00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:03.519
<v Speaker 1>what we encountered during the Creek Fire in September twenty

666
00:41:03.599 --> 00:41:07.480
<v Speaker 1>twenty was something else Entirely. We were stationed in the

667
00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:10.639
<v Speaker 1>Sierra National Forest working to contain a section of the

668
00:41:10.679 --> 00:41:14.440
<v Speaker 1>fire northeast of Shaver Lake. It had been burning for days,

669
00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:17.760
<v Speaker 1>was already massive, and we were cutting line in steep

670
00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:21.760
<v Speaker 1>terrain trying to stop it from spreading further east. My

671
00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:25.960
<v Speaker 1>crew of twenty was working a remote section helicopter access only,

672
00:41:26.440 --> 00:41:30.119
<v Speaker 1>camping rough and working eighteen hour days. On our third

673
00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:33.960
<v Speaker 1>night in that particular spot, things got weird. We'd made

674
00:41:33.960 --> 00:41:36.840
<v Speaker 1>camp on a ridge line, good defensive position. If the

675
00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:41.400
<v Speaker 1>fire shifted. Around two am, our lookout woke everyone up,

676
00:41:41.960 --> 00:41:45.480
<v Speaker 1>not because of fire, because of lights. Down in the

677
00:41:45.559 --> 00:41:47.480
<v Speaker 1>valley below us, where there should have been nothing but

678
00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:51.880
<v Speaker 1>dark forest. Were lights moving through the trees. Not flashlights.

679
00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:56.719
<v Speaker 1>These were different amber, colored almost like flames, but steady,

680
00:41:57.239 --> 00:42:01.679
<v Speaker 1>moving in patterns that made no sense, flustered together, separate

681
00:42:02.119 --> 00:42:05.719
<v Speaker 1>form lines, then scatter again. At first we thought it

682
00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:08.199
<v Speaker 1>might be another crew, but nobody was supposed to be

683
00:42:08.239 --> 00:42:11.400
<v Speaker 1>in that area. It was too dangerous, too close to

684
00:42:11.440 --> 00:42:14.840
<v Speaker 1>active fire. Our crew boss, Danny, tried to raise them

685
00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:15.440
<v Speaker 1>on the radio.

686
00:42:16.119 --> 00:42:16.480
<v Speaker 2>Nothing.

687
00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:20.119
<v Speaker 1>The lights continued for about an hour, then faded out

688
00:42:20.159 --> 00:42:23.320
<v Speaker 1>one by one. Next morning we repelled down to check

689
00:42:23.360 --> 00:42:26.679
<v Speaker 1>it out. What we found made no sense. In a

690
00:42:26.719 --> 00:42:29.199
<v Speaker 1>meadow where the lights had been centered, the grass was

691
00:42:29.239 --> 00:42:34.760
<v Speaker 1>bent in perfect circles, not burned, not trampled, bent like

692
00:42:34.840 --> 00:42:38.400
<v Speaker 1>something had pressed it down gently. There were seven circles,

693
00:42:38.719 --> 00:42:41.880
<v Speaker 1>each about ten feet across, arranged in a pattern that

694
00:42:41.880 --> 00:42:46.119
<v Speaker 1>looked almost deliberate. But that wasn't the strangest part. In

695
00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:49.760
<v Speaker 1>the center of each circle were objects stones arranged in

696
00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:53.920
<v Speaker 1>small pyramids, feathers stuck in the ground, and in one

697
00:42:54.079 --> 00:42:56.239
<v Speaker 1>a piece of carved wood that looked like it had

698
00:42:56.280 --> 00:42:59.760
<v Speaker 1>been shaped by fire. The carving showed wavy lines that

699
00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:03.519
<v Speaker 1>could have been flames, or water or something else. Jose,

700
00:43:03.760 --> 00:43:06.000
<v Speaker 1>one of our guys, found tracks at the edge of

701
00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:09.760
<v Speaker 1>the meadow. We all gathered around to look human shaped,

702
00:43:09.800 --> 00:43:13.559
<v Speaker 1>but massive, pressed deep into the ash and dirt. The

703
00:43:13.599 --> 00:43:17.440
<v Speaker 1>stride length was impossible. Whoever made these was taking steps

704
00:43:17.480 --> 00:43:22.159
<v Speaker 1>six feet long without running. We documented everything, took photos,

705
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:25.239
<v Speaker 1>but didn't report it. You don't report stuff like this

706
00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:27.679
<v Speaker 1>unless you want to get drug tested and possibly pulled

707
00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:31.199
<v Speaker 1>off the line. We had work to do, fire to fight,

708
00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:35.119
<v Speaker 1>but we all felt different about that. Valley kept looking

709
00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:38.360
<v Speaker 1>down there, wondering. Two nights later, the fire made a

710
00:43:38.440 --> 00:43:42.440
<v Speaker 1>run at our position. We had to evacuate fast helicopter

711
00:43:42.519 --> 00:43:46.440
<v Speaker 1>extraction in dangerous conditions. As we were loading up, I

712
00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:49.559
<v Speaker 1>looked back and saw them three figures standing at the

713
00:43:49.679 --> 00:43:52.760
<v Speaker 1>edge of the fire line, just inside the smoke. They

714
00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:55.719
<v Speaker 1>were huge, had to be seven or eight feet tall,

715
00:43:56.199 --> 00:43:58.840
<v Speaker 1>covered in dark hair that looked reddish in the firelight.

716
00:43:59.639 --> 00:44:03.079
<v Speaker 1>They were watching us, standing perfectly still despite the heat

717
00:44:03.119 --> 00:44:05.559
<v Speaker 1>and smoke that should have driven any living thing away.

718
00:44:06.519 --> 00:44:09.199
<v Speaker 1>Then all three turned and walked into the burning forest,

719
00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:13.920
<v Speaker 1>not running from the fire, walking into it. They disappeared

720
00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:16.119
<v Speaker 1>in the smoke, and that was the last we saw

721
00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:18.960
<v Speaker 1>of them. But when we returned to that area a

722
00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:22.320
<v Speaker 1>week later, after the fire had passed through, we found

723
00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:25.719
<v Speaker 1>something impossible. In that same meadow where we'd found the

724
00:44:25.719 --> 00:44:28.800
<v Speaker 1>circles where everything should have been burned to ash was

725
00:44:28.840 --> 00:44:34.039
<v Speaker 1>an untouched area, perfect circle about thirty feet across where

726
00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:37.400
<v Speaker 1>the fire had burned around but not through. In the

727
00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:41.519
<v Speaker 1>center were those same stone pyramids, somehow surviving temperatures that

728
00:44:41.639 --> 00:44:45.840
<v Speaker 1>melted aluminum and cracked rocks. Danny had been fighting fires

729
00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:49.719
<v Speaker 1>for twenty years. He stood in that unburned circle looking

730
00:44:49.719 --> 00:44:53.360
<v Speaker 1>at the stone pyramids and just shook his head. Said

731
00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:57.480
<v Speaker 1>he'd seen fire do unexplainable things before, but this was different.

732
00:44:58.000 --> 00:45:03.119
<v Speaker 1>This was intentional. Something had protected this spot. And stay

733
00:45:03.119 --> 00:45:05.639
<v Speaker 1>tuned for more Sasquatch ott to see, we'll be right back.

734
00:45:05.679 --> 00:45:13.480
<v Speaker 1>After these messages, we worked that area for another two weeks,

735
00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:17.000
<v Speaker 1>never saw the figures again, but we found more evidence

736
00:45:17.679 --> 00:45:20.639
<v Speaker 1>tracks in ash that should have been wind scattered trees

737
00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:23.639
<v Speaker 1>that fell in patterns that made no sense, And one

738
00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:27.519
<v Speaker 1>night we all heard it, a deep, resonant call that

739
00:45:27.639 --> 00:45:31.960
<v Speaker 1>echoed across the burned landscape, nothing like any animal we knew.

740
00:45:32.719 --> 00:45:36.480
<v Speaker 1>It sounded almost mournful, like mourning for the burned forest.

741
00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:40.480
<v Speaker 1>After the Creek fire was contained, some of us started talking,

742
00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:44.920
<v Speaker 1>comparing notes from other fires. Turns out there were similar

743
00:45:44.920 --> 00:45:49.719
<v Speaker 1>stories going back years. Firefighters seeing large figures near fire lines,

744
00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:54.840
<v Speaker 1>finding inexplicable unburned areas, hearing calls that didn't match any

745
00:45:54.880 --> 00:46:00.000
<v Speaker 1>known wildlife, always in remote areas, always during major fires.

746
00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:03.719
<v Speaker 1>One theory was that they have some relationship with fire

747
00:46:03.760 --> 00:46:07.639
<v Speaker 1>we don't understand. Maybe they use it, maybe they protect

748
00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:11.400
<v Speaker 1>certain areas from it. Those unburned circles could be important

749
00:46:11.440 --> 00:46:17.239
<v Speaker 1>to them somehow, sacred sights, gathering places, something we can't comprehend.

750
00:46:18.199 --> 00:46:21.480
<v Speaker 1>I left firefighting last year, moved to the coast, got

751
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:24.159
<v Speaker 1>a job that doesn't involve risking my life every summer.

752
00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:27.840
<v Speaker 1>But I still think about what we saw. Those figures

753
00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:30.760
<v Speaker 1>standing at the edge of the fire, walking into flames

754
00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:34.079
<v Speaker 1>that would kill anything else. The protected circle with its

755
00:46:34.119 --> 00:46:38.039
<v Speaker 1>stone monuments. Were they trying to tell us? Something, show

756
00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:41.760
<v Speaker 1>us something about fire, about the forest, about the relationship

757
00:46:41.800 --> 00:46:45.280
<v Speaker 1>between things, or were they just protecting what was theirs,

758
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:49.800
<v Speaker 1>keeping their sacred places safe from our disasters. I kept

759
00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:52.800
<v Speaker 1>one of those carved pieces of wood. It sits on

760
00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:56.920
<v Speaker 1>my desk, now black from fire, but intact. The patterns

761
00:46:56.920 --> 00:47:00.880
<v Speaker 1>seemed to shift in different lights. Sometimes they look like lames,

762
00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:05.639
<v Speaker 1>sometimes like water, sometimes like something else, entirely a message

763
00:47:05.679 --> 00:47:09.400
<v Speaker 1>I can't read from beings I can't understand. But here's

764
00:47:09.400 --> 00:47:12.119
<v Speaker 1>what stays with me. They didn't run from the fire.

765
00:47:12.760 --> 00:47:15.679
<v Speaker 1>They walked into it with purpose, like they knew something

766
00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:19.039
<v Speaker 1>we didn't like. They had some power or knowledge that

767
00:47:19.079 --> 00:47:22.519
<v Speaker 1>made them unafraid of something that terrifies every other living thing.

768
00:47:23.360 --> 00:47:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Makes you wonder what else they know that we don't,

769
00:47:26.280 --> 00:47:29.320
<v Speaker 1>What other relationships with nature they might have that we

770
00:47:29.360 --> 00:47:33.960
<v Speaker 1>can't perceive. We think we understand the forest, understand fire,

771
00:47:34.480 --> 00:47:38.320
<v Speaker 1>understand the natural world. But maybe we're just scratching the surface.

772
00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:41.719
<v Speaker 1>Maybe there are older, deeper ways of knowing that we've

773
00:47:41.760 --> 00:47:45.119
<v Speaker 1>lost or never had. They're out there in those forests,

774
00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:49.840
<v Speaker 1>even the burned ones, especially the burned ones, moving through

775
00:47:49.960 --> 00:47:53.840
<v Speaker 1>landscapes we've written off, is destroyed, finding life and meaning

776
00:47:53.840 --> 00:47:57.760
<v Speaker 1>where we see only devastation, protecting what matters to them

777
00:47:57.800 --> 00:48:01.840
<v Speaker 1>in ways we can't understand, and sometimes, in the smoke

778
00:48:01.880 --> 00:48:05.800
<v Speaker 1>and chaos of a major fire, they show themselves just

779
00:48:05.840 --> 00:48:08.920
<v Speaker 1>for a moment, just long enough to remind us that

780
00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:12.239
<v Speaker 1>we don't know everything, that the world is stranger and

781
00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:16.159
<v Speaker 1>more complex than our training and equipment and scientific understanding

782
00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:19.400
<v Speaker 1>can explain. That's what I learned fighting fires in the

783
00:48:19.440 --> 00:48:23.760
<v Speaker 1>Sierra Nevada, not just about fire behavior or forest ecology,

784
00:48:24.239 --> 00:48:27.239
<v Speaker 1>but about the limits of what we know, about the

785
00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:31.159
<v Speaker 1>other intelligences that share this world with us, and about

786
00:48:31.159 --> 00:48:33.960
<v Speaker 1>the humility that comes from realizing you're not the only

787
00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:38.239
<v Speaker 1>one who calls these forests home. Miguel keeps that fire

788
00:48:38.239 --> 00:48:41.480
<v Speaker 1>carved piece of wood on his desk now it's patterns

789
00:48:41.480 --> 00:48:45.320
<v Speaker 1>shifting between flame and water in the changing light. His

790
00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:49.400
<v Speaker 1>story raises profound questions about these beings relationship with the

791
00:48:49.480 --> 00:48:53.440
<v Speaker 1>natural world, a relationship that suggests knowledge and abilities we

792
00:48:53.519 --> 00:48:56.880
<v Speaker 1>don't possess. But what happens when those whose job it

793
00:48:56.920 --> 00:48:59.880
<v Speaker 1>is to protect our wilderness areas come face to face

794
00:48:59.880 --> 00:49:02.960
<v Speaker 1>with evidence that something else has been protecting these lands

795
00:49:03.199 --> 00:49:08.119
<v Speaker 1>far longer than we have. Sharon A. Veteran backcountry ranger

796
00:49:08.119 --> 00:49:11.320
<v Speaker 1>in the Great Smoky Mountains learned that some boundaries are

797
00:49:11.360 --> 00:49:14.840
<v Speaker 1>older than the park service itself. My name is Sharon,

798
00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:17.880
<v Speaker 1>and I worked as a backcountry ranger in Great Smoky

799
00:49:17.880 --> 00:49:22.039
<v Speaker 1>Mountains National Park for fifteen years. Retired early after what

800
00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:26.079
<v Speaker 1>happened in October twenty eighteen. Not because I was scared,

801
00:49:26.599 --> 00:49:29.280
<v Speaker 1>but because it made me realize I'd been willfully blind

802
00:49:29.320 --> 00:49:32.559
<v Speaker 1>to something that had been there all along. I was

803
00:49:32.599 --> 00:49:35.440
<v Speaker 1>doing a solo patrol in the southeastern section of the park,

804
00:49:35.960 --> 00:49:39.800
<v Speaker 1>checking permits and campsites along the Appalachian Trail. It was

805
00:49:39.880 --> 00:49:42.360
<v Speaker 1>late in the season. Most of the through hikers had

806
00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:46.239
<v Speaker 1>already passed, so the backcountry was pretty empty. I liked

807
00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:50.400
<v Speaker 1>it that way, peaceful, just me and the mountains. I'd

808
00:49:50.440 --> 00:49:53.280
<v Speaker 1>planned to stay out four nights, covering about forty miles

809
00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:56.960
<v Speaker 1>of trail. The first two days were routine checked, a

810
00:49:56.960 --> 00:50:00.760
<v Speaker 1>few campsites, picked up some trash, enjoyed the fall colors.

811
00:50:01.559 --> 00:50:04.679
<v Speaker 1>On the third day, I decided to investigate some reports

812
00:50:04.679 --> 00:50:08.559
<v Speaker 1>of illegal camping off trail. Hikers had mentioned seeing fire

813
00:50:08.639 --> 00:50:12.320
<v Speaker 1>rings in areas where camping wasn't permitted about a mile

814
00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:16.079
<v Speaker 1>off the At following game trails in my GPS. I

815
00:50:16.119 --> 00:50:21.760
<v Speaker 1>found something strange, not illegal camp sites, something else. Trees

816
00:50:21.800 --> 00:50:25.280
<v Speaker 1>bent and woven together to form shelters, not like the

817
00:50:25.320 --> 00:50:30.559
<v Speaker 1>debris huts survival enthusiasts make. These were sophisticated, using living

818
00:50:30.599 --> 00:50:34.119
<v Speaker 1>trees trained into dome shapes and covered with woven branches

819
00:50:34.159 --> 00:50:37.840
<v Speaker 1>and moss. There were four structures in a rough semicircle

820
00:50:38.239 --> 00:50:41.079
<v Speaker 1>facing a central area where the ground was worn smooth,

821
00:50:41.920 --> 00:50:44.599
<v Speaker 1>no fire ring, but there were other signs of use.

822
00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:49.320
<v Speaker 1>Flat stones arranged like seats, worn paths between the structures,

823
00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:54.719
<v Speaker 1>and most unsettling bones not scattered like animal kills, arranged

824
00:50:55.480 --> 00:50:59.400
<v Speaker 1>skulls lined up by size, leg bones stacked like firewood.

825
00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:03.400
<v Speaker 1>I took photos, made notes, tried to make sense of it.

826
00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:07.480
<v Speaker 1>The construction was too elaborate for homeless camps, too permanent

827
00:51:07.480 --> 00:51:11.599
<v Speaker 1>for hikers, and the location didn't make sense. No water

828
00:51:11.639 --> 00:51:15.639
<v Speaker 1>source nearby, difficult terrain to reach, no view or any

829
00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:18.880
<v Speaker 1>of the things people usually look for in a campsite.

830
00:51:18.920 --> 00:51:21.519
<v Speaker 1>I was examining one of the structures more closely when

831
00:51:21.519 --> 00:51:26.719
<v Speaker 1>I smelled it that thick animal musk everyone describes, like bear,

832
00:51:26.800 --> 00:51:31.000
<v Speaker 1>but stronger, mixed with something almost sweet like rotting fruit.

833
00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:35.039
<v Speaker 1>I'd smelled bear plenty of times, and this wasn't bear.

834
00:51:35.800 --> 00:51:39.280
<v Speaker 1>My training kicked in. I backed away, slowly, hand on

835
00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:41.679
<v Speaker 1>my radio, though I knew I was in a dead

836
00:51:41.760 --> 00:51:44.920
<v Speaker 1>zone with no reception. That's when I saw the first

837
00:51:44.960 --> 00:51:47.639
<v Speaker 1>print in a patch of bare earth near one of

838
00:51:47.679 --> 00:51:51.760
<v Speaker 1>the shelters, A footprint that made my stomach drop human

839
00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:56.880
<v Speaker 1>shaped but huge. I documented it quickly, took measurements and photos,

840
00:51:57.400 --> 00:52:00.599
<v Speaker 1>tried to keep my hand steady. The print was fresh,

841
00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:04.239
<v Speaker 1>edges still sharp in the damp soil. Whatever made it

842
00:52:04.280 --> 00:52:08.440
<v Speaker 1>had been here recently, maybe was still here. The forest

843
00:52:08.440 --> 00:52:11.280
<v Speaker 1>had gone quiet in that way that makes every ranger nervous.

844
00:52:11.960 --> 00:52:16.480
<v Speaker 1>No birds, no squirrels, even the breeze had died. I

845
00:52:16.519 --> 00:52:19.159
<v Speaker 1>made the decision to leave, head back to the trail,

846
00:52:19.880 --> 00:52:22.039
<v Speaker 1>but as I turned to go, I saw something that

847
00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:25.400
<v Speaker 1>stopped me cold. Hanging from a tree branch about ten

848
00:52:25.400 --> 00:52:28.519
<v Speaker 1>feet up was my hat, the one I'd been wearing,

849
00:52:29.039 --> 00:52:32.079
<v Speaker 1>the one I hadn't noticed falling off. But I hadn't

850
00:52:32.119 --> 00:52:35.320
<v Speaker 1>walked under that branch. I'd remember having to duck under

851
00:52:35.360 --> 00:52:38.400
<v Speaker 1>something that low. Someone had taken it off my head

852
00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:41.199
<v Speaker 1>without me noticing, and hung it there. I reached up

853
00:52:41.199 --> 00:52:44.519
<v Speaker 1>for it couldn't get close. I'm five feet eight inches

854
00:52:44.559 --> 00:52:47.719
<v Speaker 1>and couldn't reach it even jumping. Whatever hung it there

855
00:52:48.079 --> 00:52:52.800
<v Speaker 1>was tall, very tall. That's when the whistling started, low

856
00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:57.000
<v Speaker 1>and melodious, almost like a tune. It came from upslope,

857
00:52:57.400 --> 00:53:01.119
<v Speaker 1>maybe fifty yards away. Another whip answered from my left,

858
00:53:01.639 --> 00:53:05.000
<v Speaker 1>a third from behind me. I was surrounded. I did

859
00:53:05.039 --> 00:53:07.920
<v Speaker 1>the only thing I could think of. I spoke out loud,

860
00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:11.199
<v Speaker 1>said I was a ranger, that I didn't mean any harm,

861
00:53:11.480 --> 00:53:14.719
<v Speaker 1>that I was leaving. Felt foolish talking to the forest,

862
00:53:15.199 --> 00:53:18.840
<v Speaker 1>but what else could I do. The whistling stopped. The

863
00:53:18.880 --> 00:53:21.880
<v Speaker 1>silence stretched out for maybe a minute. Then one of

864
00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:26.239
<v Speaker 1>them showed itself, just briefly, stepping partially out from behind

865
00:53:26.280 --> 00:53:30.360
<v Speaker 1>a massive oak about thirty yards away. Even partially visible,

866
00:53:30.400 --> 00:53:34.360
<v Speaker 1>the size was staggering. Dark hair covered its body, but

867
00:53:34.440 --> 00:53:38.159
<v Speaker 1>the face was visible in the dappled sunlight, heavy features,

868
00:53:38.480 --> 00:53:42.159
<v Speaker 1>deep set eyes that were definitely watching me. Intelligence in

869
00:53:42.199 --> 00:53:47.159
<v Speaker 1>those eyes, not animal cunning, but real intelligence. I blinked

870
00:53:47.199 --> 00:53:50.679
<v Speaker 1>and it was gone. No sound, no movement I could track,

871
00:53:51.320 --> 00:53:55.719
<v Speaker 1>just gone. But the message seemed clear, don't go that way.

872
00:53:56.440 --> 00:53:59.880
<v Speaker 1>I backed up, chose a different route. As I moved

873
00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:04.960
<v Speaker 1>I heard them following, not pursuing, escorting. When I'd veer

874
00:54:05.039 --> 00:54:07.599
<v Speaker 1>too far left or right, a whistle would come from

875
00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:10.840
<v Speaker 1>that direction. They were hurting me, keeping me on a

876
00:54:10.840 --> 00:54:13.960
<v Speaker 1>specific path. It took me an hour to get back

877
00:54:13.960 --> 00:54:17.920
<v Speaker 1>to the main trail, the longest hour of my life.

878
00:54:17.960 --> 00:54:20.320
<v Speaker 1>When I finally stepped onto the familiar tread of the

879
00:54:20.360 --> 00:54:24.480
<v Speaker 1>at the feeling of being watched faded. I hiked out

880
00:54:24.480 --> 00:54:27.280
<v Speaker 1>that day, didn't stop until I reached my vehicle at

881
00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:31.280
<v Speaker 1>Klingman's Dome. But here's what really messed with me. When

882
00:54:31.280 --> 00:54:33.960
<v Speaker 1>I reviewed my GPS track later, I saw that the

883
00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:37.480
<v Speaker 1>path they'd herded me on avoided three areas. I went

884
00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:41.039
<v Speaker 1>back to the maps checked those spots. All three were

885
00:54:41.079 --> 00:54:45.039
<v Speaker 1>locations of recent missing hiker reports, people who'd gone off

886
00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:48.119
<v Speaker 1>trail and never came back. Had they been protecting me,

887
00:54:48.800 --> 00:54:52.440
<v Speaker 1>warning me away from dangerous areas, or protecting something of

888
00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:56.039
<v Speaker 1>theirs I was getting too close to. I reported the structures,

889
00:54:56.079 --> 00:54:58.760
<v Speaker 1>but not the encounter said I'd found what looked like

890
00:54:58.800 --> 00:55:03.639
<v Speaker 1>old hunting blinds, possibly historical. A team went to investigate

891
00:55:03.639 --> 00:55:09.880
<v Speaker 1>two weeks later, found nothing. The structures were gone, not destroyed, disassembled,

892
00:55:10.440 --> 00:55:14.239
<v Speaker 1>The bones were moved the bent trees somehow straightened like

893
00:55:14.320 --> 00:55:17.320
<v Speaker 1>it had never been there. But I knew better, and

894
00:55:17.400 --> 00:55:21.360
<v Speaker 1>once I started looking, really looking, I found signs everywhere,

895
00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:25.360
<v Speaker 1>prints in places they shouldn't be, Trees bent in ways

896
00:55:25.360 --> 00:55:29.719
<v Speaker 1>that weren't natural, stones stacked in patterns, things I'd been

897
00:55:29.760 --> 00:55:33.079
<v Speaker 1>walking past for years without seeing. I talked to other

898
00:55:33.159 --> 00:55:36.960
<v Speaker 1>rangers carefully found out there was an unofficial network of

899
00:55:37.039 --> 00:55:41.760
<v Speaker 1>us who'd had encounters. We'd share locations, compare notes, try

900
00:55:41.800 --> 00:55:44.920
<v Speaker 1>to make sense of it. The pattern was always similar,

901
00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:51.480
<v Speaker 1>intelligent behavior, apparent communication, attempts, territorial, but not aggressive unless threatened.

902
00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:54.880
<v Speaker 1>One ranger who'd worked the park for thirty years told

903
00:55:54.960 --> 00:55:58.480
<v Speaker 1>me something that changed my perspective. He said, they'd always

904
00:55:58.519 --> 00:56:02.840
<v Speaker 1>been here. The Cherokee had stories, the early settlers had stories.

905
00:56:03.559 --> 00:56:05.360
<v Speaker 1>They're as much a part of these mountains as the

906
00:56:05.400 --> 00:56:09.400
<v Speaker 1>bears and deer. We just refused to officially acknowledge them.

907
00:56:09.800 --> 00:56:12.480
<v Speaker 1>He also said something that haunts me. He said, they're

908
00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:15.960
<v Speaker 1>getting bolder because they have to. Development is pushing into

909
00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:19.159
<v Speaker 1>their territory. Trails are going deeper into the back country.

910
00:56:19.639 --> 00:56:22.519
<v Speaker 1>They're running out of places to hide. The encounters are

911
00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:24.960
<v Speaker 1>increasing because we're not leaving them anywhere else to go.

912
00:56:25.800 --> 00:56:28.440
<v Speaker 1>I worked another season after that, but my heart wasn't

913
00:56:28.480 --> 00:56:31.320
<v Speaker 1>in it. I couldn't walk those trails without wondering what

914
00:56:31.440 --> 00:56:35.119
<v Speaker 1>was watching from the forest, couldn't investigate reports of bear

915
00:56:35.199 --> 00:56:39.320
<v Speaker 1>activity without wondering what we were really covering up. Couldn't

916
00:56:39.320 --> 00:56:43.360
<v Speaker 1>pretend anymore that we understood these mountains. My last week

917
00:56:43.360 --> 00:56:45.440
<v Speaker 1>on the job, I was hiking out from a back

918
00:56:45.519 --> 00:56:49.000
<v Speaker 1>country patrol when I found something on the trail, A

919
00:56:49.000 --> 00:56:52.000
<v Speaker 1>small bundle of sticks tied with vine with a black

920
00:56:52.039 --> 00:56:55.039
<v Speaker 1>feather woven through it. It was placed right in the

921
00:56:55.119 --> 00:56:57.440
<v Speaker 1>middle of the trail, where I couldn't miss it. I

922
00:56:57.480 --> 00:57:02.639
<v Speaker 1>picked it up, studied it. Ruction was intricate, deliberate. It

923
00:57:02.679 --> 00:57:05.719
<v Speaker 1>felt like a message or a gift. I looked around,

924
00:57:06.079 --> 00:57:09.840
<v Speaker 1>said thank you to the empty forest. Felt silly, but

925
00:57:09.960 --> 00:57:13.400
<v Speaker 1>also right. I keep that bundle on my bookshelf now.

926
00:57:14.039 --> 00:57:16.119
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes I look at it and wonder what it means,

927
00:57:16.840 --> 00:57:20.360
<v Speaker 1>A farewell gift, a token of recognition from one guardian

928
00:57:20.400 --> 00:57:23.800
<v Speaker 1>of the forest to another. I'll never know, but I

929
00:57:23.880 --> 00:57:27.199
<v Speaker 1>know they're still out there, still living their parallel lives

930
00:57:27.199 --> 00:57:31.199
<v Speaker 1>in the deep places, still watching hikers pass through their territory,

931
00:57:31.840 --> 00:57:35.559
<v Speaker 1>still maintaining whatever ancient relationship they have with those mountains,

932
00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:38.760
<v Speaker 1>and sometimes when a hiker goes missing and is found

933
00:57:38.840 --> 00:57:42.519
<v Speaker 1>days later with no memory of what happened, when strange

934
00:57:42.559 --> 00:57:47.079
<v Speaker 1>sounds echo through the valleys, when experienced outdoorsmen report things

935
00:57:47.079 --> 00:57:50.880
<v Speaker 1>that don't make sense, I know what's really happening. We're

936
00:57:50.920 --> 00:57:54.079
<v Speaker 1>sharing these spaces with something that doesn't fit our understanding

937
00:57:54.119 --> 00:57:58.760
<v Speaker 1>of the world, something intelligent, ancient, and deserving of respect.

938
00:57:59.559 --> 00:58:03.320
<v Speaker 1>That's why I retired, not from fear, but from respect,

939
00:58:04.039 --> 00:58:07.920
<v Speaker 1>from understanding that some boundaries shouldn't be crossed. Some knowledge

940
00:58:07.960 --> 00:58:12.039
<v Speaker 1>comes with responsibilities I wasn't ready for. I'd spent fifteen

941
00:58:12.119 --> 00:58:14.559
<v Speaker 1>years as a ranger thinking I was protecting the park.

942
00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:18.320
<v Speaker 1>But maybe the park never needed our protection. Maybe it's

943
00:58:18.360 --> 00:58:21.559
<v Speaker 1>been protected all along by something far older and more

944
00:58:21.599 --> 00:58:22.480
<v Speaker 1>capable than us.

945
00:58:24.119 --> 00:58:28.880
<v Speaker 3>They say, you don't gotta go home, but you can't stay.

946
00:58:33.760 --> 00:58:34.719
<v Speaker 3>I don't want.

947
00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:34.920
<v Speaker 2>To be.

948
00:58:37.400 --> 00:59:04.960
<v Speaker 3>Out, be joy this job, that chid. Everything came right

949
00:59:05.320 --> 00:59:10.519
<v Speaker 3>by rocking back for joy from me joy, staying right.

950
00:59:12.679 --> 01:00:13.519
<v Speaker 3>You come in right away, steps, steps, steps, steps, bossas

951
01:00:14.679 --> 01:00:26.800
<v Speaker 3>state passes states and Thames, US tosses
