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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine hileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as

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<v Speaker 1>our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going over the same parenting topics over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,

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<v Speaker 2>if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's all make like we're doing something important for

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<v Speaker 2>our families. Each Wednesday we bring you our thoughts on

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<v Speaker 2>a newer entertainment property, And for this week of December second,

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<v Speaker 2>we're discussing the fifth episode of the new season of Shrinking.

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<v Speaker 2>It is called.

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<v Speaker 3>Honesty Era, in which honesty is a really bad policy.

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<v Speaker 2>For really is for the Connor side.

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<v Speaker 3>I'mer Alice Trio, and for Sean and his dad.

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<v Speaker 1>Ha yeah, yeah to some degrees degree, for Lizen Derrek too.

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<v Speaker 1>If Jimmy had not yes, I just I was so

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<v Speaker 1>excited to see Josh Hopkins because he was on Cougartown

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like, really, all great, Josh Hopkins is here.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you very quickly saw where this was going

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<v Speaker 1>to go, and I was like, no, go back stop.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and there was there was even the honesty among

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<v Speaker 3>uh Brian and his husband and the adoption guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Straight, can I give it adoption?

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<v Speaker 2>Can I give it back?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Adoption stuff, which is going very quickly. Yeah, as

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<v Speaker 1>I remember from my past, that's not how it works.

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<v Speaker 1>Then again, who knows, things may have changed. Maybe it

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<v Speaker 1>would have been different in California. Maybe it would have

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<v Speaker 1>been different if I was on a TV show.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all yeah, I'm guessing that's the key, being on

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<v Speaker 2>a TV show.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but oh, poor Connor falls for the falls for that.

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<v Speaker 1>You can tell me anything high right, anything with that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that was a rookie mistake, buddy. Oh yes, So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>a Summer finds out about him and Alice and is

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<v Speaker 1>not okay with all secrets, but in fact just goes

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<v Speaker 1>and leaps on Alice in fury.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so, and then Alice has to apologize to Liz

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<v Speaker 2>for yesing up her good thing she had going with Summer.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but Derek is just as glad. It's not like

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<v Speaker 1>something he wears. She wears his shirts. I found it

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<v Speaker 1>in a basket and everything is covered with glittery.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, but I mean I do obviously that had to

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<v Speaker 3>come out, like whether in TV show or in real life,

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<v Speaker 3>like that was going to be found out at some point,

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<v Speaker 3>So better just rip off that band aid and maybe

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<v Speaker 3>they can, you know, yeah, resume, you know, maybe they

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<v Speaker 3>will have be able to.

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<v Speaker 2>Get past it. That's right, the two girls.

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<v Speaker 1>And Connor is just such a.

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<v Speaker 2>And Connor has has missed the first week of college

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<v Speaker 2>because I was just having fun with summer.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh boy, then I feel like I have to fix it. Buddy,

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<v Speaker 1>You're not the one who's gonna fix all that anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>And then ah, we were so hopeful that Seawn's dad

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<v Speaker 1>would be cool and would not do exactly what he

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<v Speaker 1>did he did, which was, oh, come on, buddy, ye

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<v Speaker 1>give us one for the parents. You know, don't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>So he took Sean finally opened up to him, and

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<v Speaker 1>the father took it in the worst possible way, and

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<v Speaker 1>Sean then went and got himself beat up. So I

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<v Speaker 1>thought I would really have liked to have been over this. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>come on, you could have been a good dude. You

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<v Speaker 1>could have said sorry, I let you down. Oh dear.

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<v Speaker 1>It is hard, though, as a parent to acknowledge that

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<v Speaker 1>something that you did could have caused the problem, right,

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<v Speaker 1>or caused any I mean, yeah, yes, see, I'm sort

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<v Speaker 1>of the opposite is I'm running around take credit for everything,

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<v Speaker 1>and my daughter is like it that now, it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>your fault. Stop it, stop it. I'm fine, everything's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>I will take I will take his guilty. Sorry, Sean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm good at.

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<v Speaker 2>Them, and talk to me. I'll get you through it.

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<v Speaker 1>But uh, you know that understood? Still? Oh ouch. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that was painful and hopefully what Sean does in response

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<v Speaker 1>will move things along. But and then we met Gabby's mother,

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<v Speaker 1>who seems like just a whole lot right play but

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<v Speaker 1>played by Verne Watson, who I haven't seen for a while. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I recognize you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that was It was kind of a fun scene

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<v Speaker 3>when Jimmy came to have dinner with Gabby and Gabby's

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<v Speaker 1>The extremely resentful sister.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and then they had a moment of you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we can all gang up on Jimmy right now because

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<v Speaker 3>because he said something absolutely true but not nice about

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<v Speaker 3>their neighbor.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's good for that, He's he'll stand in for

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<v Speaker 1>that right anytime. But I just as I assume that

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<v Speaker 1>Summer and Alice will make up it sometime soon. Can

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<v Speaker 1>we get over the Gabby Jimmy things. I want everybody

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<v Speaker 1>back to being friends. And it stinks that Liz lost

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<v Speaker 1>her friend because of that, and not lost her, but

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, okay, Oh, we also had the honesty

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<v Speaker 3>of Liz just yelling all of Jimmy's fault from her

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<v Speaker 3>from her balcony. That was.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it is a mirror of a scene from

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<v Speaker 1>last season right where he did the same thing he

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<v Speaker 1>yelled at her.

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<v Speaker 3>That was.

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<v Speaker 2>That was satisfying. I thought it was. But Alice was listening.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well she knews. She knows she leaped up, So

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<v Speaker 1>why she hasn't said to anybody the thing that precipitated

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<v Speaker 1>her doing it, which I think would work as an

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<v Speaker 1>excuse pretty neatly. I think even Summer would buy that,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, I guess she doesn't want to get

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<v Speaker 1>into that. But she and her dad bond over tattoos,

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<v Speaker 1>So I.

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<v Speaker 2>Was good even though it's Liz's Ideatoos do I have

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<v Speaker 2>any tattoos?

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<v Speaker 1>I do not? Yes, I do not, Nor do I

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<v Speaker 1>Nor would that looked and sounded upsetting? Yeah, just saying

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<v Speaker 1>I think I would be in Jimmy's camp. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>good on him for doing it for his daughter, But

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<v Speaker 1>I am so glad my kids are run into it

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<v Speaker 1>and therefore will not ask me to do it too. No,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, both of both of my kids say they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to and they have and oh they have not yet,

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<v Speaker 2>they have not.

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<v Speaker 3>My daughter has like an idea of what she wants,

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<v Speaker 3>and it would be a tiny one like.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Liz and Alice have, but she hasn't gone through it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you walk into the place and hear that, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that sounds like maybe I'll then think about this a

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<v Speaker 1>little more. Get this design just for.

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<v Speaker 2>Right exactly these these two letters.

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<v Speaker 3>And I mean that was like the most basic, tiniest

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<v Speaker 3>little yeah thing, And still Jimmy was losing his mind,

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<v Speaker 3>like think of like.

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<v Speaker 1>People who get their entire back or whatever. My gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>I cannot imagine. And I know people, Oh, I know

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<v Speaker 1>one person in particular who has quite a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>ink on the back and arms, yeah, not on, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even want to get shots. I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get a dance.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but yeah, you get shots in your eye?

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<v Speaker 1>I do, Yes, that's true. I do. That is pretty badass.

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<v Speaker 2>It is.

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<v Speaker 1>Needles in my arm. No no, no, no, no sticking

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<v Speaker 1>sticking in my eyeball.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good with that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's like the mom in the show is going, they

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<v Speaker 1>got my eyeball open, right, I want them in there. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. My daughter when she was young, when

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<v Speaker 1>we first adopted her, had crossed eyes, and so they

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<v Speaker 1>had to do surgery, which, as I understand it basically

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<v Speaker 1>involved them popping the eyeball out, what, fixing something behind it,

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<v Speaker 1>and popping the eyeball back. At least that's how I

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<v Speaker 1>described it to her. Yeah, whoa, It's just they had

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<v Speaker 1>to like untangle the nerves behind the eyeballs or something

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<v Speaker 1>like that, or the muscles or the tendons or something

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<v Speaker 1>understanding is it involved.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, did not know that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Cutting open? Actually that sounds so yead. I tell

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<v Speaker 1>her that every now and then to freak about it. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>because she doesn't remember it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, speaking of things. I don't remember. Did we hate

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<v Speaker 1>Dave last season? I don't think we hated Dave last season,

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<v Speaker 1>so we hate him this season. Dave is a Meg's husband,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, my cardboard suddenly.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I feel like he was just kind of a

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<v Speaker 3>non like.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>They didn't use it as a you know, bonding, a

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<v Speaker 3>way for him to for Paul and his ex to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, yeah, we hate that guy.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I don't think they hate him.

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<v Speaker 1>I just think they.

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<v Speaker 2>Think he's just kind of a drip.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't. Yeah, I guess I don't even think we.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like there was general goodwill towards him last season. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean he had to like run the block when

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't want to talk to him. But I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>feel like we thought he was a cardboard trip. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but this one boy, they're sure he's taking a turn,

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<v Speaker 1>no flask for you, But no, that wasn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I get why they did that, obviously.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, there was a callback to what Paul and

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<v Speaker 3>his ex used to do when their daughter was little,

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<v Speaker 3>But like drinking at a school play whenever a kid

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<v Speaker 3>picks his nose is very different from your daughter giving

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<v Speaker 3>like a very professional.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, true sounded pretty boring.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it did sound boring, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they were discreet. Yeah, he's a little tiny book

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<v Speaker 1>and Dave probably wouldn't have appreciated them drinking while as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, exactly, That's why they had to keep him out

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<v Speaker 2>of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, we did find out last week. We were wondering

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<v Speaker 1>if the dad quit his job to take on the

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<v Speaker 1>food truck, but apparently he still has his full time

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<v Speaker 1>job anti cashal is savings. And I think the next

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<v Speaker 1>thing to happen should be that they go back to

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<v Speaker 1>Lizen and she reinvests in the food truck and gives

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<v Speaker 1>her something to do. That would be good. Let's do that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, after Sean gets out of the hospital from being

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<v Speaker 3>by these yeahs.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I yeah, I wish that had not happened. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot which had not happened. Waves Josh Hopkins on

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<v Speaker 1>the street walk on by, say to Jimmy, Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that jerk. No, I don't like seeing Derek.

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<v Speaker 2>I know our Derek. It's not right special Derek.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, this is not why I wanted him in the

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<v Speaker 1>opening credits. I wanted more happy, fun guy. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to believe that he's there to tolerate absolutely anything she does.

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<v Speaker 3>And also in the fun last season, they always had

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<v Speaker 3>a rescue pet, and this season they haven't had one.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, now she's taking pictures of the dogs.

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<v Speaker 2>She is in vain clearly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And it seems like they were setting up with

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<v Speaker 1>Josh Hopkins that she's like, you know, feeling unappreciated and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, her kids are grown. What has she done

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<v Speaker 1>with herself? She's just raised kids and she's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't do much and he calls out her photography. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>It's like Derek supports everything she does to a ridiculous degree.

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<v Speaker 1>Keep like bought her a food truck, you know, done,

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<v Speaker 1>don't go down this. I see where you're going show,

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<v Speaker 1>I see I see where you're going. Don't go there, please.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I guess we'll have to just keep going and

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<v Speaker 2>see what happens next. Yes, yes, So next week it's

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<v Speaker 2>episode six, which I believe is the halfway point. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's called in a Lonely Place.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I don't want to watch that episode. I I

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<v Speaker 1>this is my hangout friend hangout Calle. I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to be in a lonely place. I want to be

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<v Speaker 1>a place with a bunch of friends. Yeah, drinking and

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<v Speaker 1>laughing and making fun of each other. Come on, well,

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<v Speaker 1>lonely place sounds all maybe just to keep come on show.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, bring us back to the.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't be a bummer. We didn't even have the drunk

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<v Speaker 1>driver in this one and it was still a bummer.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we'll talk about that next week, and we will.

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