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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Icole, thank you very much as we head

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<v Speaker 2>into a Tuesday night eight o seven here in Boston.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Dan Ray, and we have again a

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<v Speaker 2>double team effort going on back in the control room.

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<v Speaker 2>Not all these rob Brooks back tonight after a wild

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<v Speaker 2>night off last night. He is again working with Dan Cantano.

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<v Speaker 2>So we got double double coverage here. You know, this

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<v Speaker 2>is uh, this is not off and doesn't often happen,

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<v Speaker 2>but we're in we're in good hands. We have four

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<v Speaker 2>good hands back there. So no phone calls this hour,

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<v Speaker 2>but they'll go to work next hour. Next hour, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>talk about ballot Question number three, which is a question

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<v Speaker 2>that could, if passed allowed, would allow ride share drivers

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<v Speaker 2>uh TO to unionize here in Massachusetts. And then later

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<v Speaker 2>on tonight we're going to talk with Emerson College polster

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<v Speaker 2>Spencer Kimball about the state of the twenty twenty four race.

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<v Speaker 2>But before we get to all of that, we will

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<v Speaker 2>begin our conversation tonight with we'll have three doctors and

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<v Speaker 2>a mayor in this first hour. We're going to start

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<v Speaker 2>off with doctor William Berger, who is an allergist and

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<v Speaker 2>Medical Advisory Council member for the Allergy and Asthma Network.

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<v Speaker 2>And I guess a lot of us have been feeling

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<v Speaker 2>a little under the weather, and a lot of us

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<v Speaker 2>are wondering is it allergies, is it a cold? Or

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<v Speaker 2>is it something worse like covid? And doctor Burger is

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<v Speaker 2>going to help us work our way through that set

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<v Speaker 2>of circumstances. Doctor Burger, welcome to night Side. Sir.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh well, thank you very much for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>So how can we figure out I mean, their fall

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<v Speaker 2>has a lot of allergies, we know that. And of

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<v Speaker 2>course when the weather one day it's hot, the next

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<v Speaker 2>day it's a little cooler. We sometimes people get colds

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<v Speaker 2>around the time of the year, you know, and and

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<v Speaker 2>COVID coming make it a little bit of a comeback.

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<v Speaker 2>What should we look for? Obviously we want to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to figure out or our doctors. I'm sure we'll

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<v Speaker 2>figure it out. But before, but before we get to

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<v Speaker 2>the doctor, is there anything we can.

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<v Speaker 3>Do well first to be able to differentiate between the

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<v Speaker 3>causes of these symptoms. COVID, as opposed to allergy, is

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<v Speaker 3>almost associated with an elevated fever with the temperature we

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<v Speaker 3>also see that with the flu very rarely in the

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<v Speaker 3>COVID and not at all analogies because allergies are not

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<v Speaker 3>an infectious process. The symptoms obviously with COVID are our fever, cough,

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<v Speaker 3>shortness of breath, and the one that people complain a

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<v Speaker 3>lot about it is that loss of smell. With allergy,

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<v Speaker 3>the most common symptoms are sneezing, running nose, watery, itchy eyes.

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<v Speaker 3>Usually they're on set is pretty quick as opposed to

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<v Speaker 3>to COVID, which you know can appear several days after exposure.

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<v Speaker 3>The one that you that is a little more difficult

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<v Speaker 3>to differentiate is with influenza because influenza, also like COVID,

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<v Speaker 3>can give you fatigue and aches and pains and fever

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<v Speaker 3>and chills and cough, So that's hard to tell the difference.

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<v Speaker 3>But but covid UH definitely causes greater and more severe symptoms.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I had one case I had COVID but I

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<v Speaker 2>guess now a couple of years ago UH, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was mild. But my daughter had advised me that as

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<v Speaker 2>soon as you were diagnosed with some of those at

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<v Speaker 2>home tests, to get your doctor to prescribe packslovid UH

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<v Speaker 2>to to kind of cut it off of the pass

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<v Speaker 2>and that, and it really seemed to work for me

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<v Speaker 2>either I had a really mild case of that, pax

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<v Speaker 2>slova worked great. Are you an advocate of early intervention

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<v Speaker 2>as soon as you get a positive tests to get

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<v Speaker 2>something to fight it off and specifically pack slowed.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, there's certainly certainly underlying conditions would make it more

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<v Speaker 3>urgent that you do start unpackslod and as you may know,

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<v Speaker 3>you need to really start it within five days symptoms.

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<v Speaker 3>The earlier the better. These are anti viral medicines that

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<v Speaker 3>prevent the virus from replicating and causing more severe symptoms.

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<v Speaker 3>You still may have some COVID symptoms but doesn't get

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<v Speaker 3>rid of it completely. But people, for example, over the

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<v Speaker 3>age of sixty five, people who have any kind of

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<v Speaker 3>chronic illness, especially in respiratory illnesses such as asthma or

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<v Speaker 3>the chronic substructured pomony disease empazim and bartitis, or anybody

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<v Speaker 3>with liver or kidney disease. Anybody who has any chronic

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<v Speaker 3>illness certainly should consider pack slovid.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're a young person, would you advise generally a

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<v Speaker 2>healthy young person, meaning someone in their twenties or thirties,

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<v Speaker 2>just to write it out. Even though pax slovan is

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<v Speaker 2>the most doubt, is there a downside to the pax slovak,

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<v Speaker 2>which would you wouldn't recommend it for everyone?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, there have been cases of rebound where after you

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<v Speaker 3>felt better five to seven days later, the symptoms did

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<v Speaker 3>come back. The other thing is that you need to

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<v Speaker 3>be careful about drug interaction. So if you are going

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<v Speaker 3>to start past packlovid, it's really important that you checked

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<v Speaker 3>with the pharmacists or your physician if you're taking any

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<v Speaker 3>other drugs, especially drugs that affect liver function, so and

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<v Speaker 3>if you are in any immunosuppressive drugs, So those are

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<v Speaker 3>those are the types of things that you have to

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<v Speaker 3>be concerned about. The you know there can there can

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<v Speaker 3>be some issues with liver problems if you are taking

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<v Speaker 3>other medicines that also affect liver function.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's so important to make sure you do this

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<v Speaker 2>through a doctor. Obviously, packs alov it is a prescription drug.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you're not to be able to buy that

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<v Speaker 2>over the counter, like a lot of medications, so it's

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<v Speaker 2>important there. Let me just go back to the to

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<v Speaker 2>the allergies, which I guess in a pyramid here. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>it might be the base of what we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>There may be more people impacted by allergies as opposed

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<v Speaker 2>to a cold or the flu at this time of year.

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<v Speaker 2>Allergies are different around the country. So if we're in

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<v Speaker 2>Massachusetts and if you're in California or Florida, there's there's

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<v Speaker 2>different allergies at different times during the seasons, during the

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<v Speaker 2>every every season, I guess. So you've got to almost

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<v Speaker 2>figure out where you live and what you might be

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<v Speaker 2>exposed to when you when you start to get like

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<v Speaker 2>a little minor case of the sniffle. Is that fair

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<v Speaker 2>to say?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>And the person that can help you out with that

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<v Speaker 3>is analogous certainly. People have who have allergies can have complications,

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<v Speaker 3>for example, chronic sinus problems. If it gets it affects

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<v Speaker 3>you lungs, it can cause difficulty breathing. As far as

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<v Speaker 3>pollen seasons, the usual pollen seasons in the spring, we

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<v Speaker 3>usually see tree pollens and that usually starts February March, April,

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<v Speaker 3>and then into May and June you get the grass pollen.

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<v Speaker 3>And now in the fall, especially in the Boston area,

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<v Speaker 3>ragweed is the major pollen in the air. Weeds are

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<v Speaker 3>seen throughout the country, but different weeds could be causing

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<v Speaker 3>different brows. For example, in southern California we have sagebrush.

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<v Speaker 3>Not a lot of sagebrush in Boston.

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<v Speaker 2>No, not within my memory. And then one other point,

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<v Speaker 2>which which I'm sure you're aware of. I just learned

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<v Speaker 2>this the other day. I'm on the wrong side of fifty.

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<v Speaker 2>So I had gotten an RSV shot last winter, and

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, well, maybe it's like the flu shot. You

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<v Speaker 2>have to get a second one. And I went to

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<v Speaker 2>a local drug store, a chain drug store, and they

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<v Speaker 2>were bout to give me the rs They said, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, have you ever had an RSV shot before?

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<v Speaker 2>I said, well, can you check my records? Yeah? They

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<v Speaker 2>said you had one last winter and they said RSV

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<v Speaker 2>shots one and done. I did not know that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, the concern with RSV again are the higher risk

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<v Speaker 3>patients who have respiratory problems asthma, COPD, bronchitis. But the

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<v Speaker 3>place that we get particularly concerned RSV is in very

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<v Speaker 3>very young children. Is the cause of what we've heard

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<v Speaker 3>it was bronchiolitis, and there's not a lot of good

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<v Speaker 3>But we really don't have a definitive treatment for RSV

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<v Speaker 3>other than supportive care, and so we really want to

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<v Speaker 3>do everything we can to prevent RSV infections.

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<v Speaker 2>In I assume that RSV would not be a good

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<v Speaker 2>thing for grandparents, but the secondaries, you don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>transmit it to a young child, to your grandchild. So

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<v Speaker 2>there's two reasons why grandparents should be thinking about that

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<v Speaker 2>particular inoculation correct right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Fortunately, we do have very good treatments for allergies, We

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<v Speaker 3>have very good treatments for asthma. Allergists and promonologist certainly

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<v Speaker 3>can can help with that. And this group the patients

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<v Speaker 3>who have allergy, and as with the ones that we

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<v Speaker 3>worry about with with covid and the ones we worry

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<v Speaker 3>about with influenza. That's why it's so so important to

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<v Speaker 3>get vaccinated. Right now, they're doing vaccinations combinations of influenza

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<v Speaker 3>and covid vaccine. Personally, I did that. I feel that

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<v Speaker 3>you know, you should try and do everything you can

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<v Speaker 3>to try and mitigate, meaning decrease they of the symptoms

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<v Speaker 3>because there is no there's no way to predict how

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<v Speaker 3>bad you're going to get young and healthy. People have

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<v Speaker 3>gotten very severe cases of both influenza and COVID, so

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<v Speaker 3>I would recommend you know that you get it and

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<v Speaker 3>the younger people now we have an influenza can be

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<v Speaker 3>vaccinated with the use of a navals bro It's called

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<v Speaker 3>flu miss in between the ages of five and forty nine.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't have to get the shot if your nervous

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<v Speaker 3>around the needles. It's a weakened form of the virus,

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<v Speaker 3>so you can you can sniff it up your nose.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Doctor William Berger, I really appreciate you. You founded

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<v Speaker 2>the Allergy and Asthma Associates of Southern California Medical Group

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<v Speaker 2>back in nineteen eighty one, so you've been doing this

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<v Speaker 2>for a long time and you work with the Allergy

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<v Speaker 2>and Asthmen Network. You were great, You've been great. Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for giving us some time tonight, and love to

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<v Speaker 2>have you back as we roll through into a different

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<v Speaker 2>allergy season. Hope you have a great rest of October.

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<v Speaker 2>We've had fabulous weather back here. I hope you have

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<v Speaker 2>good weather out there as well. Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, we do. As a matter of fact. Our national

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<v Speaker 3>meeting the American College of Allergy is going to be

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<v Speaker 3>in Boston starting this Thursday, so I will be in

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<v Speaker 3>the Boston area.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's gonna get a little cooler, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>so pack a sweater. Okay, it's gonna right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Well, thanks thanks for the advice, and thanks for

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<v Speaker 2>My pleasure, Doctor William Berger. Enjoy Boston. Okay, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>great city. Thank you so much. All right, thanks, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>and we get back on to talk about another really

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<v Speaker 2>important issue. Uh, and that is the issue of breast cancer.

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<v Speaker 2>Going to talk with a surgical breast oncologist, but we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to focus a little bit on breast cancer amongst men,

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<v Speaker 2>which I think is an important aspect of this Breast

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<v Speaker 2>Cancer Awareness Month. My name is Dan Ray. This is Nightside.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think most of us know that October is

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<v Speaker 2>breast cancer Awareness Month, and rightfully or wrongfully, most people

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<v Speaker 2>and we're going to talk about the reality of breast

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<v Speaker 2>cancer in men, Doctor Noddllo, I knew that men are

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<v Speaker 2>not immune to this disease, but how prevalent is it

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<v Speaker 2>amongst men? Is it rare? Somewhat rare? How would you

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<v Speaker 4>By Dan? I just want to take a moment to

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<v Speaker 4>thank you as well as all the listeners free opportunities

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<v Speaker 4>to speak this evening. As you mentioned, it's breast cancer

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<v Speaker 4>Rare Month.

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<v Speaker 2>Honored doctor, now teller you can we often we get

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of great doctors here and we are very

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<v Speaker 2>grateful for all of them. Go Red ahead. I did

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<v Speaker 4>I yeah, I wanted to take a month to express

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<v Speaker 4>my admiration to all the listeners here who have personally

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<v Speaker 4>So you had mentioned the prevalence. Unfortunately, it is rare. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 4>cancer is very very common in men. There's about twenty

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<v Speaker 4>seven hundred men diagnosed with breast cancer every year, and

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<v Speaker 4>it makes up about one percent of all the breast

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<v Speaker 4>cancers that we diagnosed annually.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is this is in America, not in America. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>in America. Okay, So if it's you said, it's it's

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<v Speaker 4>One percent of all breast cancers are in men.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, okay, fine, okay.

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<v Speaker 4>So fairly on, fairly uncommon, but not something that people

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<v Speaker 2>So most obviously men do not take mammograms. I assume

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in their upper upper torso and in the

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's right, Dan, you know, it's surprisingly I see

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<v Speaker 4>to see me because they feel a new lump or

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<v Speaker 4>And in that case I do recommend a self exam,

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<v Speaker 4>especially as there's a strong family history. So if a

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<v Speaker 4>or a first degree relative, I think it's important not

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<v Speaker 4>only to do testicular exams, but to do breast exams.

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<v Speaker 4>And if you feel something, that would be a good

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<v Speaker 4>but an ultrasound. Now, if somebody has a mutation in

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<v Speaker 4>them at a hundredfold increased risk of developing beast cancer

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<v Speaker 4>over the lifetime, that is somebody that might actually benefit

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<v Speaker 4>that case, we typically would start mammograms starting at age fifty.

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<v Speaker 4>So the conception of just because I'm a man, I

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<v Speaker 4>can't get a mammogram, that's something that you should talk

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<v Speaker 2>How do you figure out if you had that gene?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, great question.

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<v Speaker 4>It's usually a strong family history. So if you notice

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<v Speaker 4>several family members have breast cancer, pancreatic cancer, of cancer, melanoma.

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<v Speaker 4>If you just notice there's a cluster, that's a good

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<v Speaker 4>certified genetic counselor to determine if you could get genetic testing.

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<v Speaker 2>And is that particularly I think as it was the

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<v Speaker 2>Braco gene, that is the gene that can can signal

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps early on or proclivity towards the cancers you just mentioned.

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<v Speaker 2>Or are you saying that if there's a preponderance or

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<v Speaker 2>a number of each of those, then you have to

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<v Speaker 2>be concerned about pancreatic cancer or whichever the cancers are

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<v Speaker 2>Those cancers all somehow related, is what I'm asking.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of times they are related, and that's why

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<v Speaker 4>I had mentioned though, So if that's something you notice

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<v Speaker 4>where you just have a strong family history of a

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<v Speaker 4>certain type of cancer or many cancers, that's definitely something

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<v Speaker 4>worthwhile mentioning to your doctor or making an appointment to

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<v Speaker 4>meet with a certified genetic Counselor the gene that we

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<v Speaker 4>most commonly associate with male breast cancer or is the

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<v Speaker 4>bracket gene or b RCA, which stands for breast cancer

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<v Speaker 4>gene and most significantly bracket too. There's BRACCA one in

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<v Speaker 4>bracket two. Bracket two is a gene that is most

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<v Speaker 2>And what obviously, the earlier anything is detected, the better

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<v Speaker 2>chance of survival. But it is the treatment for breast

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<v Speaker 2>cancer for men basically the same protocol as for women

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<v Speaker 2>that could involve some serious surgical procedures.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you hit the nail on the head with early

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<v Speaker 4>detection saves lives. So we see a lot of men

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<v Speaker 4>they think that they can't get this disease and oh,

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<v Speaker 4>this isn't something that affects men, so we typically would

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<v Speaker 4>see them at later presentation. So again just emphasizing the

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<v Speaker 4>importance of self exams and self awareness. So if you

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<v Speaker 4>feel something, you may notice a hard lump underneath your breast.

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<v Speaker 4>You may notice skin tethering, may notice that there's a

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<v Speaker 4>to the peck muscle itself. You could notice some bloody

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<v Speaker 4>nipple discharge, whether it be on your t shirt or

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<v Speaker 4>your sheets. That's a great reason that you should be

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you so much. Boy. That's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>information packed into a brief period of time. You're a

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<v Speaker 2>great communicator. I'm sure you equally or even better surgical bristoncologists,

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<v Speaker 2>but you gave the clearest answers of many of the

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<v Speaker 2>physicians that I've had. So I just want to say

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<v Speaker 2>thanks very much again doctor now dello, and again long

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<v Speaker 2>day for I know most of you start early, those

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<v Speaker 2>of you who are as surgeons, and thanks very much

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<v Speaker 2>for being with us tonight. You may have helped some

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<v Speaker 2>people in my audience tonight, or maybe some people in

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<v Speaker 2>men and to others in their family. So hopefully you

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<v Speaker 2>did a lot of good tonight.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you so much for your John, Thank you Dan,

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<v Speaker 4>thanks for spreading the message.

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<v Speaker 2>You bet you anytime. We'll do it again. We'll do

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<v Speaker 2>it again. Doctor Sam Nardello, surgical breast oncologist at Toft's Medicine,

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<v Speaker 2>works both at Tough's Medical Center and at the Melrose

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<v Speaker 2>Wakefield Hospital within the Toughs Medicine Health System. All right, now,

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<v Speaker 2>when we get back, we're going to have our one

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<v Speaker 2>non doctor of this eight o'clock hour, and it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be Salem Mayor Dominic Pangalo, and we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about Salem's haunted happenings. Oh, that's where you either

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<v Speaker 2>want to be on Halloween or the place in the

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<v Speaker 2>world you don't want to be. We'll talk with the

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<v Speaker 2>Mayor of Salem right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Boston's News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, back to the calls now, and we are

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<v Speaker 2>delighted to introduce the Mayor of Salem, which will be

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<v Speaker 2>the center of the universe on Halloween. Mayor Mayor just

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<v Speaker 2>Dominic Bengalo. You we got a busy month coming up,

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<v Speaker 2>by assume, how are you tonight?

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<v Speaker 5>It's been a busy month last month and a half here,

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<v Speaker 5>so it's a busy season.

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<v Speaker 2>I am absolutely certain it is. I mean, how much

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<v Speaker 2>prep when do you I assume you begin prepping this

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<v Speaker 2>probably last November my right or wrong?

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<v Speaker 3>That's right.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, we have after action meetings, we start talking about

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<v Speaker 5>what worked what didn't work in November, and we work

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<v Speaker 5>all year long to prepare for October and even mid

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<v Speaker 5>September when we really start seeing the increase in visitors.

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<v Speaker 2>Just a point it in context. Salem at this point,

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<v Speaker 2>how big a city is it. Does it have a

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<v Speaker 5>No? No, Salem is a city of forty four thousand

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<v Speaker 5>people in eight square miles. And last year in October,

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<v Speaker 5>we had about one point two million visits to the

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<v Speaker 5>city just in October, so you.

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<v Speaker 2>Had the equivalent maybe of about twenty five visitors for

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<v Speaker 2>every resident.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and we have four thousand parking spaces downtown, so

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<v Speaker 5>you can do the map about the parking situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So is there a website where people can go

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<v Speaker 2>and get all the information they need about what's going

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<v Speaker 2>on and when is it going on so they can

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<v Speaker 2>time their visit And then I know what you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to tell us about driving into Salem. So let's hear

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<v Speaker 2>that too, Go right ahead, mayor.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Yeah, So the website is haunted Happenings dot org.

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<v Speaker 5>Haunted Happenings is the month long celebration. It's hundreds of

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<v Speaker 5>privately organized events, fairs, balls, haunted houses, attractions, parades, all

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<v Speaker 5>kinds of activities that are happening in Salem. You can

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<v Speaker 5>find out more about those events at Haunted Happenings dot org.

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<v Speaker 5>And really we encourage people take the train, take the ferry,

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<v Speaker 5>take your broom. Don't drive to Salem. There's not enough parking.

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<v Speaker 5>You're going to spend a lot of time sitting in

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<v Speaker 5>traffic if you drive, and it's not going to be

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<v Speaker 5>a fun experience for you. The train from Boston's only

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<v Speaker 5>a half hour, it runs regularly, it's very affordable. On

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<v Speaker 5>weekends in October, we have a ferry from Boston and

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<v Speaker 5>Long Wharf, and this year we're running a ferry from

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<v Speaker 5>hang Them on the South Shore as well, So if

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<v Speaker 5>you're coming from the South Shore, get to hang Them.

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<v Speaker 5>Take the ferry. It's about a forty five to fifty.

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<v Speaker 3>Five minute boat ride.

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<v Speaker 5>It's very pleasant, and that takes you right to our

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<v Speaker 2>Now, my listeners know that I don't do scripted interviews,

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<v Speaker 2>so I sometimes will ask a question to which there

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<v Speaker 2>really is not an answer, But I always like to

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<v Speaker 2>ask questions. That's that's basically what I do for a living,

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<v Speaker 2>done that most of my life. So of all the people,

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<v Speaker 2>this one point two five million people who will come

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<v Speaker 2>and visit, do you folks in Salem have any idea

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<v Speaker 2>about how many continents or how many countries have someone

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<v Speaker 2>come there? I mean, I would assume that over time

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<v Speaker 2>you've you've kind of realized that not all those one

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<v Speaker 2>point twenty five million are coming from the nowesth Shore.

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<v Speaker 3>Definitely not.

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<v Speaker 5>We have a lot of international travel. I mean, the

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<v Speaker 5>October tourism in Salem is really a boon for the

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<v Speaker 5>entire region and for the Commonwealth. We fill hotels across

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<v Speaker 5>the north Shore and into Boston along the commuter rail

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<v Speaker 5>line on the Newburyport Rockport Line. People will fly here

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<v Speaker 5>from other countries and other continents, travel from other states

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<v Speaker 5>to experience Salem in October. And if you're one of

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<v Speaker 5>those people, we encourage you to plan ahead and think

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<v Speaker 5>about traveling and other times of the year, because what

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<v Speaker 5>makes Salem special and magical in October it's all there.

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<v Speaker 5>In November, it's all there. In February and June, we're

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm just I'm curious and this. Have you ever

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<v Speaker 2>met someone from I don't know, you know, New Zealand

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<v Speaker 2>or some far away place that you look at them

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<v Speaker 2>and you say, you've come from where? I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, somewhere like that.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>We have a lot of international We have a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of international travel from Asia, we have we welcome people

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<v Speaker 5>from Europe. We had a group of dancing which is

429
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<v Speaker 5>from Germany coming to city Hall about two weeks ago

430
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<v Speaker 5>to visit, which is a lot of fun. So people

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<v Speaker 5>come from all over the world. They celebrate Halloween, they

432
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<v Speaker 5>celebrate history, and they get a little taste of what

433
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<v Speaker 5>our historic city has to offer.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, how is it that the legend of Salem, the

435
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<v Speaker 2>history of Salem has so penetrated not just in America,

436
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<v Speaker 2>but as you indicated, around the world. I mean, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure there are cities in Germany that or other countries

438
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<v Speaker 2>around the world that people go to. I just had

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<v Speaker 2>some listeners. We took a trip with WBC listeners to Rome.

440
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<v Speaker 2>We went to Rome and the Mouthea Coast, and a

441
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<v Speaker 2>year ago we were in Ireland in Dublin, and those

442
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<v Speaker 2>are the cities to think of. But I think sometimes,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, people come to America, go to New York

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<v Speaker 2>and Washington, d C. Maybe Boston, But Salem is such

445
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<v Speaker 2>a fun city. How does the word get out there?

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, it gets out there for sure. We're Salem

447
00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:07.039
<v Speaker 5>has a notoriety because of what happened in sixteen ninety

448
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<v Speaker 5>two that can never be changed and the impact of.

449
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<v Speaker 2>We're not even going to talk about that.

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<v Speaker 5>The impact of the witch trials affected the American jurisprudence,

451
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<v Speaker 5>that affected our values. But Salem's history is connected to

452
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<v Speaker 5>the American Revolution, It's connected to American literature, the abolitionist movement, architecture,

453
00:25:25.039 --> 00:25:28.559
<v Speaker 5>maritime history, and trade. There's so many connections that you know.

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<v Speaker 5>We love when people come for Halloween fun and they're

455
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<v Speaker 5>surprised by the stories they discover about our connections to

456
00:25:34.680 --> 00:25:38.039
<v Speaker 5>so much about America's history. In twenty twenty six, Salem

457
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<v Speaker 5>turns four hundred years old. We'll have our quad centennial.

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<v Speaker 5>We're getting ready for a big party that year and

459
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<v Speaker 5>really speaks to how we look to our past and

460
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<v Speaker 5>informs our future. And we love to share our story

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<v Speaker 5>with the world.

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<v Speaker 2>So Salem four hundred years old, Yeah, Salem was founded

463
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<v Speaker 2>in what year I'm trying to do.

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<v Speaker 5>The map, sixteen twenty six was the.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty six I mean they landed at Plymouth in sixteen twenty.

466
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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't walk. It would take me six six years

467
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<v Speaker 2>to get up the coast to Salem. That's I did

468
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<v Speaker 2>not realize that in terms of the oldest cities in America.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously you're amongst the oldest cities in America. Is there

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<v Speaker 2>any sort of a sort of a standing that says

471
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<v Speaker 2>Salem is the twentieth oldest city or I'm just curious.

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<v Speaker 2>I would think that someone must have.

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<v Speaker 5>Been research on that, not that I'm familiar with offhand.

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<v Speaker 5>It's pretty early for European arrival because of you know,

475
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<v Speaker 5>just the settling in Massachusetts Bay Colony by the Europeans

476
00:26:34.519 --> 00:26:37.359
<v Speaker 5>was fairly early in the arrival of Europeans on this continent.

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<v Speaker 5>But it's it's up there in terms of age. You know,

478
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<v Speaker 5>America is going to celebrate the two hundred and fiftieth

479
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<v Speaker 5>anniversary of the American Revolution that same year, twenty twenty six,

480
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<v Speaker 5>seventeen seventy six, and we're excited to tell Salem story

481
00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:51.680
<v Speaker 5>about our connections to the revolution. And what happened with

482
00:26:51.720 --> 00:26:54.480
<v Speaker 5>the gunpowder raid unless there's retreat. And the first meeting

483
00:26:54.480 --> 00:26:57.960
<v Speaker 5>of the Massachusetts Provincial Congress was actually in Salem before

484
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<v Speaker 5>they moved to Concord. But really Salem's history and its

485
00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:04.720
<v Speaker 5>influence on the development of the nation go back even

486
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<v Speaker 5>further than the twenty fifty year mark. So we're ready

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<v Speaker 5>to celebrate in twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 2>Unbelievable Boston was founded. I think Boston has had its

489
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<v Speaker 2>three hundred and fiftieth anniversary, and I think Boston was

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<v Speaker 2>founded in sixteen thirty, so you were founded before Boston.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Boston, it's a yeah, Boston's a quaint little suburb

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<v Speaker 5>of the greater Salem area.

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<v Speaker 2>Spoken like the Mayor of Salem, and it is the

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<v Speaker 2>mayor of Salem, Dominic Pangalo, Mayor. I enjoyed the conversation,

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much. It was very informative and it

496
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<v Speaker 2>was fun. Appreciate it a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>You're very welcome. Thanks.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, talk to you soon when we get back. We're

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<v Speaker 2>going to talk about We're going to talk with an

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<v Speaker 2>author and speaker and a board certified psychiatrist, believe it

501
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<v Speaker 2>or not. In a few days. We're going to move

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<v Speaker 2>those clocks, which at spring forward and fall back. We're

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<v Speaker 2>going to we' g in the game an hour of sleep,

504
00:28:01.319 --> 00:28:05.400
<v Speaker 2>but it's also gonna it's gonna disrupt our our internal clocks.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll explain with doctor Susan Truckman right after this break

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<v Speaker 2>on night Side.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World,

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<v Speaker 1>night Side Studios on w b Z, the news Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, we are delighted to be joined by a

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<v Speaker 2>bird sort of board certified psychiatrist, author and speaker, doctor

511
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<v Speaker 2>Susan Truckman, double board certified in adult psychiatry and forensic

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<v Speaker 2>psychiatry with over thirty years of clinical and academic experience.

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<v Speaker 2>Double board certified. I like that, that's for sure. It's

514
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<v Speaker 2>almost like double secret probation.

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<v Speaker 6>If of it's just a lot of paper, and it's

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of paper.

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<v Speaker 2>I got it, I got it. I gotta get a

518
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<v Speaker 2>good sense of here. Thank you. I'm sure you did

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of work to be double board certified. It's

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<v Speaker 2>almost time to change the clocks. Not this weekend, but

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<v Speaker 2>is it Halloween weekend? Are the eight weekend after Halloween?

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<v Speaker 6>Oh gosh, I think I dreaded so much that I

523
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<v Speaker 6>probably you know, haven't looked it up, but it is

524
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<v Speaker 6>coming all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, one of my friends are going to going to

526
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<v Speaker 2>look it up for us and they'll tell it to

527
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<v Speaker 2>me in my ear. But I think it's the weekend following.

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<v Speaker 2>It might be actually the weekend before the election on

529
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<v Speaker 2>Tuesday the fifth.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh, that'll make everyone real happy.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, well, it's it's one hour. If exs to sleep.

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<v Speaker 2>I love the fall because it's spring full, would fall back?

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<v Speaker 2>I get an extra yeah, sleep, I mean plus November third.

534
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<v Speaker 2>I was right, doctor, how about that?

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<v Speaker 6>Intuitively you're better than me, then you're better than me.

536
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<v Speaker 6>Like you said, I haven't been paying attention because I think,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, I am one of those folks who really

538
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<v Speaker 6>would prefer that we would just pick one and just

539
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<v Speaker 6>leave it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, it's a little frightening that first Sunday evening when

542
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<v Speaker 7>all of a sudden it's getting dark at four thirty,

543
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<v Speaker 7>and you say, wait a second going on here. But

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<v Speaker 7>it's nice that moment that morning, if you're going to

545
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<v Speaker 7>some sort of religious service, all of a sudden, it's

546
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<v Speaker 7>actually a little like daylight. So this this does impact

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<v Speaker 7>the circadian rhythms of animals.

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<v Speaker 6>As it impacts the circadian mythimum of all of us

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<v Speaker 6>and of us you know, I noticed that even you know,

550
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<v Speaker 6>my animals. When I have to get up and it's

551
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<v Speaker 6>dark and the alarm goes off, I look at them

552
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<v Speaker 6>and and they're sound asleep, and I go, okay, it's

553
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<v Speaker 6>time to get up, and they're looking at me like,

554
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<v Speaker 6>are you serious? Are you serious?

555
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<v Speaker 2>So we also very smart, are very smart?

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<v Speaker 6>They are, they are, and we are all really affected

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<v Speaker 6>by the sun. And and that's the basis of the

558
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<v Speaker 6>circadian rhythm. And the circadian rhythm is a twenty four

559
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<v Speaker 6>hour rhythm that basically regulates you know, many human behaviors, sleep, mood, appetite, energy,

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<v Speaker 6>and it's hot, it's easier in the fall all to

561
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<v Speaker 6>fall back, and not just so much more that we

562
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<v Speaker 6>get more sleep, but we are less affected by the

563
00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:12.039
<v Speaker 6>change in light. And the two the key, the two

564
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<v Speaker 6>elements that are most important in changing time and how

565
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<v Speaker 6>it affects human health and human mental health is number one,

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<v Speaker 6>the amount of daylight that we get, and I can

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<v Speaker 6>go into that in just a moment. And number two

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<v Speaker 6>is the effect on sleep, and that's the more critical one.

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<v Speaker 2>But the amount of daylight doctor, and you're the expert.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not. But the amount of daylight doesn't change. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just you get it at a different time, so you

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<v Speaker 2>well in the morning and you'll lose it in the afternoon.

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<v Speaker 6>Right, true, but that also affects our sleep. And the

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<v Speaker 6>way that it affects our sleep is if we get

575
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<v Speaker 6>up in the fall, and we get up and it's

576
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<v Speaker 6>effectively you know, an hour later, Yeah, we get more sunlight,

577
00:31:58.720 --> 00:32:03.319
<v Speaker 6>and the brain thinks, okay, great time to wake up. However,

578
00:32:04.039 --> 00:32:07.599
<v Speaker 6>it actually kind of throws off the sleep cycle in

579
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<v Speaker 6>that the hormone melatonin that is important in the process

580
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<v Speaker 6>of sleep is also affected by light. And people do

581
00:32:20.119 --> 00:32:24.799
<v Speaker 6>tend to feel sleepier in the winter, and that is

582
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<v Speaker 6>possibly one of the reasons is that you're spending more

583
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<v Speaker 6>time in darkness, and so your brain thinks, oh, okay, darkness,

584
00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:34.400
<v Speaker 6>we produce more malatonin. We're going to get sleepy. So

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<v Speaker 6>you've heard of seasonal effective disorder, which is akin to

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<v Speaker 6>the hibernation in bears, for example, Right, so they hybernate

587
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<v Speaker 6>in winter. Well what do humans do? Humans kind of

588
00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:50.759
<v Speaker 6>they get more sluggish, they exercise less. We're spending less

589
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<v Speaker 6>time in daylight, we're spending less time outdoors, we're spending

590
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<v Speaker 6>less time socializing because it gets cold and people stay indoors.

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<v Speaker 6>And guess what that can contribute to depression, which is

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<v Speaker 6>why depression is higher in folks who are predisposed to

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<v Speaker 6>mood disorders in the winter. It also has an impact

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<v Speaker 6>on how our brains produce an important neurochemical called serotonin,

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<v Speaker 6>Meaning the less daylight your brain is exposed to, the

596
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<v Speaker 6>less likely it is to produce serotonin, which we think

597
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<v Speaker 6>also is an influence and why people are more depressed

598
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<v Speaker 6>or some people are more depressed in the winter.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's seasonal disorder. I am very familiar with it.

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<v Speaker 2>I have someone who I know is who's a public

601
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<v Speaker 2>figure who has dealt with that and dealt with in

602
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<v Speaker 2>a very public way, very public way, to her credit.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, it's still it's still funny. The push

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<v Speaker 2>for you know, daylight savings time, I believe came from

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<v Speaker 2>farmers across the country who wanted to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>see the sun a little earlier in the morning when

607
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<v Speaker 2>they were doing them morning choice. Is that folk tale

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<v Speaker 2>or is that actually true?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, the truth is, I mean, there's two stories that

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<v Speaker 6>are told about the beginning of daylight saving time. One

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<v Speaker 6>was that Benjamin Franklin wrote a piece in one of

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<v Speaker 6>the Parisian newspapers kind of as a joke, suggesting that

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<v Speaker 6>the Parisian should get up earlier because they would use

614
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<v Speaker 6>less oil in their oil lamps that way. However, he

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<v Speaker 6>intended it as a joke. But then there was an

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<v Speaker 6>American entomologist, which is someone who studies bugs, and he

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<v Speaker 6>thought that daylight saving time was a great idea because

618
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<v Speaker 6>then people could get up earlier and have more daylight

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<v Speaker 6>to go find bugs. Most people don't tell.

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<v Speaker 2>That in the winter time, there's not too many bugs around.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, well, they're there, but they're sleeping, so I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, if you're looking for bugs, it's harder to

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<v Speaker 6>find them when it's dark. But I think most people's

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<v Speaker 6>or not. I thought, don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not an entomologist, No, what do I play with

626
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<v Speaker 2>in the radio. But I thought that bugs buried themselves

627
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<v Speaker 2>like in tree bark or underground, and you don't see

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<v Speaker 2>any bugs until sometime up here in Boston up you know,

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<v Speaker 2>sometime in late April or early main they say, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I remember that that's an inn, yeah or whatever.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, but they come out in the daylight right, because

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<v Speaker 6>there's more daylight starting in April. Oh yeah, I know that.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm saying if you look at if you look

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<v Speaker 2>at for bugs in December and January different, I don't know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>But so the thing about the farmers is really, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a fairy tale. I thought that was the people who

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<v Speaker 2>pushed to get it done and have pushed against those

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<v Speaker 2>in Congress who wanted to change it back to the

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<v Speaker 2>way it used to they should be before.

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<v Speaker 6>No, I mean, I think you're right. And when when

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<v Speaker 6>this country, you know, it was more of an agrarian society,

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<v Speaker 6>you know that made sense. But you know, as the

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<v Speaker 6>time has gone by, you know, we're less and less

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<v Speaker 6>of an agrarian society. And you know, the majority of us,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, go buy a nine to five schedule during

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<v Speaker 6>the week, you know, including kids who go to school,

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<v Speaker 6>and they're very much affected by the change in time.

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<v Speaker 2>I want you to know, doctor, Yeah, I really want

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<v Speaker 2>you know this. You're talking to someone who has never

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<v Speaker 2>had a nine to five schedule. I worked in television years.

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<v Speaker 2>I worked on the late news, and I worked on

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<v Speaker 2>the early morning news, and now I do a talk

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<v Speaker 2>show from eight to midnight Monday through Friday. Been doing

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<v Speaker 2>this for eighteen years. I've and whenever I drive and

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<v Speaker 2>there's like other cars on the road, I'm thinking to myself,

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<v Speaker 2>how do people handle it? Ni?

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<v Speaker 6>Oh, listen, you don't know what you've been missing.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been in traffic though you travel a lot, and

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<v Speaker 2>you've been in traffic, particularly down in your neck of

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<v Speaker 2>the woods in the DC area.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I really enjoyed this conversation. You're you're a fun interview

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm serious.

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<v Speaker 6>Thank you us.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a serious subject, but you're a good sport and

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<v Speaker 2>I can see why you're double board certified in adult

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<v Speaker 2>psychiatry and friends.

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<v Speaker 6>Like I said, it's just a lot of paper. But

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<v Speaker 6>thank you for having me. I very much enjoyed this.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you very much. We'll have you back. Thanks

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<v Speaker 2>very much, Doctor Susan Trouckman.

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<v Speaker 6>Alrighty, take care bye.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so November third will be the day when we

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<v Speaker 2>change the clocks by an hour. When we get back,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about question number three on the

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<v Speaker 2>Massachusetts ballot, and that is the question that deals with

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<v Speaker 2>the potential for Uber and Lyft drivers to form and

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<v Speaker 2>join a union. This is a confusing question, but we'll

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<v Speaker 2>sort it out not only tonight at nine, but tomorrow

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<v Speaker 2>night as well. So we're going to have both sides

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<v Speaker 2>of this issue on back to back nights, which is

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<v Speaker 2>the way you should do it in radio. Coming back

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<v Speaker 2>on nightside