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Speaker 1: This is that Bigfoot podcast where hoaxes di loud, myths

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get crushed and the truth doesn't need permission. We don't

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do blurry, we don't do polite. We cut through crap

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and call it like it is. If you're here for

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feel good folklore, keep scrolling. But if you're fed up

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with the fake and hungry for real answers, let's go

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that Bigfoot podcast. We're not just hunting sasquatch, We're breaking

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the illusion wide.

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Speaker 2: Open, Doctor Hogan Chirou, Welcome to that Bigfoot podcast, my friend.

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What's going on?

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Speaker 3: No much, just hanging out in Oregon, hoping that it

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doesn't get too hot, being thankful that the forest fires

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aren't getting too crazy out here yet. How are you doing.

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Speaker 2: I'm hanging in like a hair and a biscuit man,

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and it is definitely not hot here in North Carolina.

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I've been freaking cold the last couple of days. I

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think it dropped down in mid fifties last night overnight,

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which is great. I run every day. I ran six

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miles yesterday and I probably could have ran another twelve

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miles because it was so freaking cool outside. It felt amazing.

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But we've had the wettest summer I think we've ever

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had in the history of the world that I can remember.

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It's rained every freaking day for four months. It's impossible

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to do anything outside, and we live outside and do

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everything outside. It's been debacle, man, But the weather is

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what it is. We can get into the conversation maybe

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someday about climate change and global warming. Whatever makes this

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the wettest summer ever and the coolest it's been in

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a long time. I think it's going to be like

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in the seventies over the next week or so. I'm

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definitely looking forward to that. But I'm leaving town this

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weekend as we record this. If you guys are listening

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to this, on Friday, I am in Pennsylvania at the

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Central PA Bigfoot Conference slash Festival. Gonna be hanging out

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with a bunch of good friends of mine that are

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coming over from the UK. I've got Daniel and his

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father Craig coming over. The Barnetts will be in town.

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Ryan RPGGO and Beskie will be there. There's a host

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of other speakers. If you're in that area and you

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just happen to be listening to us, grab your ticket

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and stop by and see us. There's going to be

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tons of people out there vending. I think the speaker

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area is inside, so I think you actually have to

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pay to access that part, but you can just go

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shop the vendors and have a good time. I've never

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been to that, but I'm looking forward to hanging out

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with Gwen from Gotten Knockers, who is the organizer of that,

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and Mike, her husband. Great people up there in Pennsylvania.

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I'm definitely looking forward to that. But that's not why

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we're here. It would normally be me and Wayne doing

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the show, but Wayne is on hiatus, so here we are.

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You and I. You've been on the show before. We've

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had some conversations about Bigfoot over on Sasquatch, Ottessee. I

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think you made an appearance over on this podcast as well.

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For posterity sake and for those who have memories like mine.

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I don't remember what the like I had for breakfast,

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so they may not remember who you are. Why don't

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you give us a little bit of the Dime Store tour,

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the elevator pitch for doctor Hogan. Chiro Sure.

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Speaker 3: So, I'm an Oregon boy, grew up in the woods

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with a hunting and fishing guide as a father, former

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marine who used to like to take us up, spin

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us around ten times and then tell us, okay, tell

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me how you get home from here. And I guess

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that's kind of where my interest in the woods and

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animals started. Went to college, went on and got my

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PhD in evolutionary anthropology and studied everything from grizzly bears

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and gray wolves here in the Pacific Northwest to chimpanzees

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in East Africa. Spent some time with cheetahs in Southern

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Africa and gibbons and Asia. So I've been in lots

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of forests and lots of areas around the world. But

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my specialty is really in the evolution of behavior in emmons,

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our hominin ancestor, and our closest relatives. My PhD was

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focusing on chimpanzee behavioral ecology, and I taught for a

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while at a university that have consulted for years. Have

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always had an interest in all things squatchy. That's why

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I reached out to you originally. And I'm excited to

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be here chatting with you today about some of this stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I've been looking forward to this. I love

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to have conversations with people smarter than I am. That's

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how I learn things. And I also like to have

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conversations with people that disagree with me. I think that's

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where the growth happens. If we constantly have conversations with

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everybody who's drinking the bigfoo kool aid, we never get anywhere.

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So I love these kind of conversations. I'm sure we'll agree,

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probably more than we disagree. But one of the things

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to get into it here today to start with, is

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a great place. In my opinion, it's a springboard for

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a lot of the experiences people have with bigfoot sasquatch,

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harry man, bushman, whatever you call them, wherever you have

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and to be whatever the nomenclature for you in your

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area is. We're talking about the same thing here, and

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it's this super hero thing that accompanies these descriptions of

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these encounters. It's one of the things that we talked

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about before is these things seem to be the biggest,

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the baddest, the fastest, the strongest, the loudest. They're the

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everything ist that has anything to do with the animal kingdom,

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and that doesn't make sense in any other capacity. I

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think recently I was on another podcast as a guest,

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and I was talking about this very thing and how

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it baffles me, and I think I compared an elephant

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and a cheetah. Right, cheetah is one of, if not

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the fastest animal on Earth. Elephant's one of the biggest

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animals that's ever been on the Earth currently on the Earth.

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I think the largest elephant that I read something about

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recently was back in the early nineties. It was a

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big bull elephant. He weighed twenty six thousand pounds. Enormous creature, right.

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But you take those two animals, and they're amazing in

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and of themselves, But if you compare them side by side,

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there's nothing there that really overlaps at all. Elephants are big,

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they're heavy, they're strong, they're powerful, they're loud. Cheetahs are cleek,

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they're built for speed, they're killing machines. And when you

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get into the bigfoot sasquatch thing. I've had my own

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encounters with these things, and I'm sure we're going to

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talk about at some point. When you compare these two,

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say a sasquatch encounter. Sasquatch are always the fastest, they

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move the fastest, they're the biggest, they're the loudest. They're vocalizations.

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able to emit infrasound, very similar to animals like elephants

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and big cats. But they're like the superhero of cryptids,

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and that never has made sense to me. I tend

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to stay in the lane of flesh and blood, the

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scientific approach to this research, But I think what that

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does the longer I stay in there, and I think

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this happens with a lot of people in the subject,

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instead of sticking with the science and just saying, Okay,

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there's no way this creature could exist, so none of

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that makes any sense. It's all bullshit. I don't believe that.

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I have to then evaluate is there something off in

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the sauce with the person or persons who experienced that.

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was something else in the encounter. I've said it before.

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I think maybe these things might have been six feet

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tall and they grew three feet, or they became ten

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feet tall because of the fear and adrenaline. They disappeared.

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training and experience, your degree in the subject, how do

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you reconcile that in your brain as a scientist? Are

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you one of these people that dismiss it whole cloth?

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some of these signings.

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Speaker 3: I have a saying that I've used for decades showing

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my age. I never say never or always in biology.

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As soon as you do, then someone goes and catches

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a selacant off the custom Atagascar and your whole theory screwed.

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So I always leave the possibility open. I am definitely

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a hardcore skeptic based on my education, training and understanding

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about ap coology, etc. Which we can get into more

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detail when it comes to the superhero stuff. I brought

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that up originally because as I was getting more and

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more into more recent sasquatch stories and things, I was

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noticing just that through line of people talking about, Oh,

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it was so powerful it did things that humans could

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never do. A five hundred pound rock came flying past

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our truck and it was at least ten feet tall.

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We went out to the tree and measured it was

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at that tall. It ran faster than any animal possibly could.

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I recently heard someone say there's nothing in North America

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that could outrun a sasquatch. Considering pronghorn antelope can hit

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about sixty miles an hour, that's an impressive claim. And

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I am definitely if sasquatch exists, definitely a flesh and

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blood guy. If it exists, in my opinion, it's an

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ape of some sort. But we need to figure that out.

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elephants and cheetahs because what they do have in common

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is their mammalian ancestry. They're both mammals, both give birth

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to live young, both nurse them, both have some sort

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of hair on their bodies. But you're right when you

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just look at them, that's where a lot of the similarities.

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of the compromises that's happened in cheetah evolution to get

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that fast is that they're incredibly fragile, so cheetahs don't

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take any risks when it comes to hunting. When it

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a cheetah will just take off because it can outrun

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that predator, but it can't outfight it. Its bones are

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more fragile, And really all predators are risk averse that way,

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but cheatah's more so than most elephants. On the other hand,

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was easier to cut through their stomach and get the

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guts out and start working from the inside that it

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was cutting through their hide. That's how tough their heide is.

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wants to for a short distance, it's pretty much done

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for the rest of the day. You said that you're

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running five or six miles a day. An elephant's not

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doing that with you. An elephant's walking that slowly because

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their body requires so much food. They are these kind

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of principles in evolution, things like niche separation, which is

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what gets you from a mammalian ancestor to eventually cheetahs

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and elephants, dolphins and otters and everything else. But there's

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biological studies. It really talks about finite resources. There are

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finite resources, and whether those are food, water, or resources

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for evolution, so ability to develop certain parts of your body.

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What happens is this kind of trade off. There's almost

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a cost benefit analysis that happens unconsciously organisms depending on

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the niche that they've separated, and to use their resources

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in different ways. Humans were a great example. We're sitting

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here talking to each other from three thousand miles away

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on computers that our big ass brains have developed. But

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we all know that physically, I don't care if there's

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one hundred of us, We're no match for a gorilla.

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It's just not happening. Those are trade offs that have

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happened over the course of human evolution. Developed that big brain,

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we put less investment into our physical abilities. So when

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of cryptids, right where all of those boxes are checked,

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some of those folks will say, and they're as smart

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as humans, or they're close to as smart as humans,

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and they're stronger than a gorilla, and they're faster than

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a cheetah, and they're that's in there, and that's biologically.

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We have just never seen that happen with an organist ever.

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Of the millions of species that have existed, we've never

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seen one that checks all the boxes. So for me,

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I think you're on the right track. I think that

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what happens is people's perception when they're having these experiences,

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it gets distorted without them realizing it. I think of

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the old fishing stories. How big was sufficient you caught?

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You caught an eat inch bass. That's a nice bass,

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but it wasn't a record center. I have friends who

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about biggest buck I've ever seen. Oh my god, I

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I have been with them. Had it happen where guy's

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talking about the biggest buck run into the same deer

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it's a natural thing that happens in our brains, and actually,

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something that's evolved that protects us. If you see something

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you can't explain and your brain tells you it is

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big and it is dangerous, you're more likely to survive

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that encounter than if your brain goes, hey, go boop

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it on the nose. It's really cute, go cuddle with it.

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historical stuff, and you talk about the old newspaper articles.

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run ins with grizzly bears and grizzly bears in North

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America were if you would just go by those articles,

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they were ten feet tall. They were gigantic. There's no

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grizzly bear in the world that's that big. Again, let's

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not to say that those folks are lying. That those

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folks are making something up intentionally, and it may not

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be an adaptation, may just be a byproduct of our

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creative brains.

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this subject, and it certainly happened to me at least

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on some level over the last year or so, is

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most of us don't have the understanding of biology, evolution,

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and all the things that you just talked about. What

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happens is And this is what I've heard from so

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many people over the years. The longer you stay in this,

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the more wo or high strangeness you tend to go,

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because the flesh and blood thing makes less and less

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sense the more encounter stories that you hear. At some point,

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it can't be the smartest, the biggest, the fastest, the

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everything ist on earth, So you start looking at other things.

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Could it be interdimensional? Could it be sent here by aliens?

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Could it be something that's supernatural? And I think that's

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the dangerous slippery slope for a lot of people in

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this is they start to abandon science for other explanations

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that will fill in the gaps in some of the

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things that don't make sense. I think that's one of

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the things we have to be very careful of. I too,

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am guilty of it at times because I've seen things

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in my own experiences that don't make sense to me,

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which we'll talk a little bit about here. Shortly, you

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which is the overlap or the alleged over lap in

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sasquatch sidings and ecology versus bear ecology and what that

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means for some of these sidings in your opinion, do

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you think that there could be or is an overlap?

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doctor Jeff Meldrum. He often compares if there's black bear

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in the area, there could be sasquatch in the area

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in his opinion, because that ecology and that biology and

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what they would need to survive is very similar in

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his opinion, what's say you on this alleged overlap or

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this overlap of the alleged sasquatch encounters and the bear

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ecology and where bears are currently residing. Let's just use

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Speaker 1: We've got to pay some bills, but don't go anywhere.

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That Bigfoot podcast will be right back after this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's absolutely let's restrict it to that because once

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we go north, that's ahold of the conversation. What's interesting to

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me because most of the ecology that people describe for sasquatch,

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when they're describing it these days, it's basically a bear ecology.

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They describe as large carnivores. Bears are technically large carnivores.

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So black bears are definitely straight omnivores and spend a

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huge part of their time surviving off of berries, grubs,

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or roots, all sorts of things. That's in late terms

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how I like to describe omnivores. Just eat whatever they can, right,

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They eat whatever will sustain them that they can digest.

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I've had sightings myself where I've seen bear had. It

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happened two years ago while I was deer hunting. I

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saw this massive black animal for about seventy five yards away,

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disappearing into the bush. From that distance, with the broken

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foliage that I was looking through, I could have easily

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but whoa, I was a huge sasquatch that ran into

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the woods. Being the open minded biologist I am, I

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was like, all right, walk your ass over there and

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check out the tracks and see see if you can

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find any sign. And so I did, and sure enough

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found some really nice black bear tracks, scuffed up a

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little bit and followed them for a little bit to

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see if I could get another view. But it's also

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bear season here, wallet's deer season. I don't have bears,

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but it definitely was that size because it didn't stick

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around when humans have rifles. That got me thinking. First off,

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we can talk about the sighting stuff, but this kind

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of overlap. And I know Jeff. I have great respect

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for Jeff. I really like it. I think he's just

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top notch when it comes to especially to anatomy, evolution

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of anatomical structures, things like that. I think, respectfully, I

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disagree with him on his assessment day where there are

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black bears that are probably sasquatch, because once again, in biology,

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we don't see where large organisms share ecological niches even

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if one's active during the day and one's active during

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the night. Black bears are active during both the day

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and the night, primarily day, but they move around at

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night too. Obviously all the reports from sas fast watches

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out there they are primarily active at night, but they

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operate during the day too. To me, that just doesn't

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match biologically. Ecologically, it doesn't line up. You'd have to

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have some sort of real niche separation between the two

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for those two speaks to coexist, especially at their body size,

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because they're going to wipe out resources if they're both

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in the same areas doing that. But I do think

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the bear phenomenon is something that we really should think

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about when we're thinking about sightings and things like that,

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especially when you hear these kind of fleeting sightings, because

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my anecdotal story is a great example of that. When

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someone says I saw some huge black animal move up,

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let's not jump to something that we don't know for sure.

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If it's out there, we'll talk about your stuff when

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you want to, But my opinion is let's stay conservative.

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We know black bears are out there, so that's probably

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what it was. Again, I think ecologically it just doesn't

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work for me. Jeff and I actually a couple of

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years ago went around and around respectfully about it, where

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I was like, so explain to me this, because we

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don't see this. You don't see another large carnivore where

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there are tigers, and tigers are hunting mostly at night,

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and there's a daytime large carnivore that's operating filling that

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same niche. So, yeah, that's where I stand on it.

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Speaker 2: It makes sense. I've said, I think that some of

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the anecdotal experiences people have our most likely misidentifications. I

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certainly don't think that everybody who's ever purported to have

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seen a sasquatch actually saw one. I think there are

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misidentifications that happen. It's easy to do. It's easy to

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get scared startled when you see a big, black, black

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mass moving away, and most people don't do what you did,

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which was go towards where you saw this thing and

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find follow up traces of what it could have been.

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Speaker 1: I e.

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Speaker 2: Footprints that turned out to be a black bear. I

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see a large black mass moving off into the tree line.

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I go where said black mass enter the tree line,

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and wow, there's black bear. Prance, you put all the

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totality of the circumstances together, you saw black bear. Most

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people don't do that. They just assumed that whatever that was,

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whatever their brain immediately goes to whether it was a

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bear or a sasquatch. For them, that's what it is,

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and that's what the story is for the remainder of

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their life. But that's the difference I think in you

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and the rest of the world, or me and the

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rest of the world, is most people aren't into those

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kind of things, so they're not going to do that,

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and it just continues to be perpetuated as a sighting

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of bigfoot or it was just a black bear. I

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would imagine that it's probably happened in the past that

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somebody might have seen a sasquatch and thought it was

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a black bear and just dismissed it as Oh, I

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saw this big black bear when I was out there.

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I've heard those stories that initially people thought that's what

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they saw, and then they investigated and they found different results,

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more human like foot plants that were larger, those kind

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of things.

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Speaker 3: My buddies and I used to talk when we were younger. Hey,

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if you ever did run into a bigfoot, if they're

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out there, what do you think you'd do. It's one

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of those fun thought experiments to ask people to hear

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where their mind is and what their personal perception is.

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The reality is most of us are going to stay

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far away from that, cause, again, your brain is screaming

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at you. You don't know what that thing is, you

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don't know how dangerous that thing is. Get the hell away.

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I think part of what it may be my training

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in being in the field with large animals, having been

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charged by elephants more than seven times. It may also

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just be a natural fascination by me. We're having that

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discussion one time, that theoretical discussion they said, well, it's

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not theoretical for me. And they said what, And I said,

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I was hunting one time. I saw this thing that

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I couldn't explain what it was. I would literally have

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my scope up on it. I was looking at it.

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I still couldn't explain what it was. It looked like

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a hair covered head in the woods that was maybe

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a little taller than I am. I don't know what

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that is. I pulled my scope, I cranked it up

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high power. It still couldn't get a good view of it.

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So I finally went, you know what, forget it and

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just walked straight towards it, because I'm like, if it

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is a sasquatch and it decides to kill me, here's

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a fun way to go. This is gonna be a

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great story for my family. I had a hunting buddy,

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maybe just like two hundred yards away, so he knew

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right where I was. So I was like, I'm not

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gonna be one of those who just disappears. I'm going

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to be found. It was a stump squatch. I found

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the exact stump. It was one of those where Okay,

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I'd answered that question for myself, it may not be

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fit me someday when I decide to do that, When

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I hear a growl in the African forest and I

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decide to go check it out and ends up being

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a big ass lion or something. It's something that I

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think you're right. I think most people they're not going

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to be bothered with going over there. They're not going

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to go to the frustration or exhaustion or pain of

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fighting through the foliage I may have to, or getting

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through the brush to get over there. Whatever the case is.

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They're driving by, they got to get home, whatever the situation.

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I think they don't take the time those two particular cases.

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I had the time I could do it, so I

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did it. I think that kind of goes to what

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I hope us having these conversations will get folks to

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do a little bit more. I love the kind of

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citizen science approach that's happening, the kind of crowdsourcing that's

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going on with ideas and stuff around the sasquatch phenomenon.

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Part of the reason I'm interested in getting more involved

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than this is because I really want folks to go Okay.

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So it's one thing to be a bird watcher, it's

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another thing to be an ornithologist or a bird scientist, right,

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you like, you can go out and bird watch all

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day long and you get some great information on western

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meadow lark is in this area, or whatever the case is.

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But to get deeper into understanding behavioral ecology, the evolution

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of organisms, those sort of things, there's some methods that

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can be employed that help people get that kind of

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more objective and more scientific perspective on things.

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Speaker 2: I know you had some questions about my experiences and

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my transformation from being very skeptical most of the time.

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I was fifty to fifty at best on whether these

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things were real or not leading up to some of

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the experiences I had in Radium back in twenty twenty

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three and then last summer in the Pacific Northwest. Did

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you have specific questions or things that you wanted to

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get into in relation to those experiences.

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Speaker 3: First stuff, I just want to start nuts and bolts,

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like you had talked about. There's a documentary that's coming out.

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I don't know if it's been released yet. I just

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wanted to know that so I know where we're at

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talking about these things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so the documentary is not out yet. My understanding

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is it should be out by the end of the year.

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We're talking the next three to four months. I'm not

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sure exactly when that's going to be, but yes, we

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were filming that documentary. It started in the United Kingdom

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and we ended the filming over in the Pacific Northwest,

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specifically in Washington State. We were actually working out of

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the Olympic Project Headquarters was our base of operations when

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we were in that area filming. Once we'd moved out

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of the Seattle area.

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00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 3: Cool. Yeah, So I don't know what you can talk

473
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,119
about and what you can talk about at this point.

474
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,440
With all of that, I haven't had a chance to

475
00:26:49,519 --> 00:26:51,519
hear what was the tipping point for you?

476
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 2: It started on the first full day we were there

477
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,279
doing some scouting in an area that we wanted to

478
00:26:59,319 --> 00:27:02,519
do night filming. We knew we were going to go

479
00:27:02,559 --> 00:27:05,640
out at least one night, possibly too, but we didn't

480
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,400
want to go in blind. We wanted to go into

481
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,920
an area that we were somewhat familiar with the terrain

482
00:27:10,039 --> 00:27:14,160
because we had twelve to fifteen people in to was

483
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,759
a huge group of people, including two camera men with

484
00:27:17,839 --> 00:27:20,720
one hundred thousand dollars plus camera rigs that they were

485
00:27:20,799 --> 00:27:24,039
dragging into the woods. We wanted to take them into

486
00:27:24,079 --> 00:27:27,200
an area where we could do serious research and get

487
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,559
some hopefully good footage of what we were doing, but

488
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,079
for everybody to be safe, obviously, we didn't want to

489
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,720
damage these hundred thousand dollars plus cameras. So we were

490
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,119
doing the first day we went out, we'd separated because

491
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,960
we were behind scheduled. There were some things that happened

492
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,240
early on, and when you see the documentary it's called

493
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,720
My Bigfoot Life, you'll see what happened over in the

494
00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:53,640
United Kingdom that set us back multiple days. So everything

495
00:27:53,759 --> 00:27:56,680
was compacted as far as the schedule was concerned, so

496
00:27:56,799 --> 00:28:00,160
we had to split up go our different ways. Of

497
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:01,960
the team went one way. I was part of the

498
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,160
team that was doing the scouting that day for the

499
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,039
night shoot, while some of the other team was doing

500
00:28:07,079 --> 00:28:10,119
other things, filming some bee roll and other stuff. So

501
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,240
we get out into this area and we started hearing

502
00:28:12,319 --> 00:28:15,000
whistling in the woods. I'm not a whistler, but it

503
00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:17,480
was basically, if you just picture you're trying to get

504
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,279
your friend's attention, that little kind of whistle, Hey I'm

505
00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:24,440
over here. We were hearing that in the woods. We

506
00:28:24,519 --> 00:28:28,319
stopped we're following it. As it's following us, it's moving,

507
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,200
the sounds moving, and we get to an area where

508
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,960
there was a bridge over this little small creek area

509
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,960
upon this embankment was some really large trees in this area.

510
00:28:38,079 --> 00:28:41,279
It's this old growth forest. It's in a protected area,

511
00:28:41,319 --> 00:28:43,720
so nobody's been logging in there for hundreds of years,

512
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,440
so most of the trees are pretty big. I'm looking

513
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,559
in that area where we had heard this whistle, and

514
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,079
I see something peak around the side of a tree.

515
00:28:51,839 --> 00:28:55,000
It's probably seventy five eighty yards away. It was a

516
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:59,799
really quick peak. I'm talking split second, less than a second.

517
00:29:00,319 --> 00:29:03,279
Happened three times, but I saw a face. I saw

518
00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:06,880
what looked like a dark face with eyes just peeking

519
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,599
around the tree. Saw that three times. I drew everybody's

520
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,640
attention to that area. Everybody started looking. We didn't hear

521
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,880
the whistling anymore, so we're now focused on trying to

522
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,599
see what was peeking around this tree. It was in

523
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:22,200
an area where we weren't comfortable trying to access. It

524
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:27,799
was very inhospitable terrain. It was not something that we

525
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,000
felt at that moment. As much as I wanted to

526
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,720
go investigate. It just didn't seem safe and a good

527
00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:36,279
use of our time, so we moved on. We went on,

528
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,359
finished up our scouting of the area, found some areas

529
00:29:40,359 --> 00:29:42,240
that we knew we wanted to go into. We had

530
00:29:42,279 --> 00:29:46,160
found some I can't remember what type of nuts they were,

531
00:29:46,839 --> 00:29:49,480
but we found some piles of nuts that looked like

532
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,160
something had sat there and had a snack or a meal.

533
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,240
Very interesting. We didn't find any of the nuts or

534
00:29:57,279 --> 00:29:59,960
a tree that had the nuts anywhere in the area,

535
00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:02,599
so they looked like they had been brought there. I

536
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,559
have to ask Chris. Chris knew exactly what kind of

537
00:30:04,599 --> 00:30:07,759
nuts they were. He actually somehow managed to get them

538
00:30:07,759 --> 00:30:10,200
through customs and back into the United Kingdom, and he

539
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,400
still had them because he was convinced that a sasquatch

540
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,839
had been eating them, so he took some of the

541
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,200
husks back with him as a souvenir. Hopefully he won't

542
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,880
get arrested in the UK for that. We went on

543
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,200
and found this area. We went out that night and

544
00:30:24,279 --> 00:30:26,839
did our night shoot, and that's when we had two

545
00:30:26,839 --> 00:30:30,559
more encounters with these things. It happened very similarly. We

546
00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:34,519
were hearing this whistling noise that was drawing our attention

547
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,920
to this area in the woods. Bobo was there and

548
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,839
he had his thermal, and he and Daniel, this kid

549
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,960
who at the time was fourteen when this happened. They

550
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,200
were passing the thermal back and forth and they're seeing

551
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,720
some heat signatures. At first it was one, then it

552
00:30:49,759 --> 00:30:53,559
was a larger heat signature. Bobo turns around and asks

553
00:30:53,839 --> 00:30:58,119
the group me, Ryan, Chris, and there was a couple

554
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,480
of other people and of course the two cameramen. We're there.

555
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,240
He said, there's a huge heat signature and he points

556
00:31:04,279 --> 00:31:07,519
to this area. We estimated it was probably thirty to

557
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,880
fifty yards into the woods. He's like, who's going to

558
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,759
go out there? Of course I'm going it's possibly a bigfoot.

559
00:31:14,759 --> 00:31:17,440
I'm gonna go. So I went started walking towards that area.

560
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: We've got to pay some bills, but don't go anywhere.

561
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:25,039
That Bigfoot podcast will be right back after this.

562
00:31:27,279 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 2: I actually have the thermal footage. It's about ten or

563
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,480
twelve minutes of thermal. I think obviously it hasn't been

564
00:31:32,519 --> 00:31:35,839
released hip because the documentary's not out. Once the documentary

565
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,480
comes out, I fully intend to release this thermal because

566
00:31:39,519 --> 00:31:43,160
we called some very interesting images. I'll just leave it

567
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,039
at that. So I'm walking to this area where I

568
00:31:46,079 --> 00:31:49,359
was hearing this whistling. Now the whistling stops, but I'm

569
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,400
letting them basically guide me. They're looking through the thermal

570
00:31:52,759 --> 00:31:54,799
and they're saying, go this way, go that way. It's

571
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,279
right there, it's about so and so in front of you.

572
00:31:57,279 --> 00:32:00,079
You should be in that area. And I started hearing

573
00:32:00,119 --> 00:32:05,480
some weird sounds. I've described it as it almost sounded

574
00:32:05,559 --> 00:32:10,920
like picking up two or three large river rocks and

575
00:32:11,079 --> 00:32:13,279
like juggling them around in your hand. You know that

576
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,799
noise they make when they hit together, right, boy, that's

577
00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:19,599
what it sounded like. It's weird to describe that. I

578
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,000
don't know what that could be or why I was

579
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,400
hearing this noise, but I was hearing this noise, and

580
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:30,160
I was hearing faint what sounded like something possibly walking.

581
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,759
I think I heard a snap of a twig, but

582
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,000
not a lot of noise. Right, So I'm walking towards

583
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,039
where the noise is and I get to an area

584
00:32:39,079 --> 00:32:41,680
where this is thick. It's really thick. There's so much

585
00:32:41,759 --> 00:32:45,519
dead fall. It's unbelievable. There was so much deadfall, in fact,

586
00:32:45,599 --> 00:32:48,519
that the guys who were filming us. The two guys

587
00:32:48,559 --> 00:32:51,640
on the camera crew couldn't make it in with the rigs.

588
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,440
Everything that we filmed from that point forward in the

589
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,759
woods had to be done on GoPros and a handheld

590
00:32:56,759 --> 00:32:59,920
camera that Ryan RPGGO and Beskie bought back in like

591
00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:03,160
nineteen ninety four. And the only reason he had it

592
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,559
with him is because it was handheld and it had

593
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:07,240
night vision.

594
00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:07,759
Speaker 3: Right.

595
00:33:08,799 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 2: So, I'm walking in this area here in these little noises,

596
00:33:11,759 --> 00:33:16,000
I'm hearing this weird clacking river rock sound, and I

597
00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:18,000
get to an area where there's a little bit of

598
00:33:18,039 --> 00:33:19,920
an opening in front of me. It looks like a

599
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,319
game trail, maybe three four feet wide, and I'm looking

600
00:33:23,359 --> 00:33:26,119
up this area and I hear something walking, so I

601
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,079
fling on my flashlight because I was walking in the

602
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,759
dark up until this point. I threw my flashlight on

603
00:33:32,759 --> 00:33:35,519
and this thing crosses across the trail in front of me,

604
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:41,079
probably twenty feet in front of me, this big, dark,

605
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,359
hairy figure. I could see from the top of the

606
00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:50,960
head basically to I don't know, maybe midchest. It's got

607
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,599
its arms back like you're making a motion to go

608
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,400
a different direction, and its face is turned away from me.

609
00:33:57,079 --> 00:34:00,160
I'm shining my flashlight on this thing's back, and I'm like,

610
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,759
holy shit, this thing just crossed the trail twenty feet

611
00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:07,440
in front of me. So of course I said something like,

612
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,639
holy shit, this thing just crossed in front of me.

613
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,760
They hear me. Chris is starting to come into the

614
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,760
area at this point, he's screw it. Brian's been in

615
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,960
there long enough by himself. Chris, he's starting to come

616
00:34:18,039 --> 00:34:21,320
up here now. Chris is I don't know, six' four two,

617
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:27,119
ten Former queen's, guard big, dude, right he's coming trapsing

618
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:28,920
up behind. ME i hear and we go back and

619
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,000
regroup With bobo and them and, said, look this is what.

620
00:34:32,119 --> 00:34:34,480
Happened this is WHAT i. Saw we're gonna follow this

621
00:34:34,559 --> 00:34:37,519
direction because it was headed from my left to right

622
00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:40,880
across this. Trail so everybody goes into the. Woods and by,

623
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:46,440
EVERYBODY i mean it was, Me, RYAN, Rpg, daniel his, Dad,

624
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:51,199
craig And. Chris we go into the. Woods chris AND

625
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:56,199
i are, Together daniel And ryan And craig are in another.

626
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,559
Group we get to a certain point in the woods

627
00:34:58,599 --> 00:35:01,239
Where i'm a little bit off to the. Left ryan

628
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,440
is over. Here Then chris AND i get to an

629
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,320
area where we stop and we're, listening And i've got

630
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,639
it on. Audio i've listened back to the. AUDIO i

631
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,800
wasn't miked for this, part BUT i had my audio

632
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,000
going in my pocket AND i had a little mic

633
00:35:14,559 --> 00:35:17,639
that was clipped, on So i'm recording. THIS i haven't

634
00:35:17,639 --> 00:35:19,440
listened to the audio to hear if this is on the,

635
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,679
audio but you can Hear chris AND i talking about this.

636
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,320
Sound it sounded like something jumped out of a tree

637
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,679
and landed on the. Ground it was like this. Thud

638
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,840
And chris is, LIKE i heard this. THUD i, SAID

639
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,840
i heard the same. Thing it sounded like something jumped

640
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,280
out of a. Tree it was really. Weird we're talking about.

641
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,159
That we're hearing some more. Cracking we're hearing something that

642
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,480
sounds like it's moving from left to right above. US

643
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:46,239
i get to an area where i'm by, myself walk

644
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,039
off From. Chris chris goes back and he's With daniel

645
00:35:49,039 --> 00:35:51,599
And craig are all in one, area And ryan is

646
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,119
milling around behind us doing this. THING i Hear daniel

647
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,440
SAY i see eye. SHINE i see eye, shine and

648
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,280
he's pointing up this. Ridge SO i look where he's.

649
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,599
POINTING i move almost even with, them and THEN i

650
00:36:06,639 --> 00:36:09,039
walk a few. Steps i'm probably eight or ten feet

651
00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:11,960
in front of. Him at this POINT i SEE i

652
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,280
don't know how to describe it other than a big

653
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:18,280
set of glowing white eyes and they're swaying back and.

654
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,400
Forth it's almost like if you listen to enough anecdotal

655
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:26,400
experiences from people seeing, sasquatch it's almost like. THAT i

656
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,840
hate to use the, term but it's like an autistic

657
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,239
person sways back and, forth that kind of. Movement. Right,

658
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,280
So i'm watching, this and then there's another set that's

659
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,880
a little bit, smaller maybe a foot and a. Half

660
00:36:38,199 --> 00:36:41,400
below this set is a smaller set of what looks

661
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,360
like glowing white. Eyes AND i say glowing because at

662
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:48,800
this point nobody had any lights. On there was no ambient.

663
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,239
Light it had been, raining it was. OVERCAST i don't

664
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,039
think there was any. MOONLIGHT i couldn't see my hand

665
00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:57,079
in front of my face with her lights. Off we see,

666
00:36:57,079 --> 00:37:00,599
This we're all, like what The and you can see

667
00:37:00,639 --> 00:37:03,239
in the Video i'm in front of. Them you can't

668
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,000
really see my, face but it's Clear i'm trying to

669
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,079
figure out what we're looking at you can feel the

670
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,679
what the fuck is? That and they. Disappear it's like

671
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:17,840
they drop, down they just. Go both sets. Gone so

672
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,159
at that point we throw our flashlights. On and when

673
00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:25,119
we threw our flashlights, on almost the exact same thing.

674
00:37:25,199 --> 00:37:28,960
Happened that happens fifteen minutes. BEFORE i see this thing

675
00:37:29,639 --> 00:37:32,800
ten feet now in front of, me cross across the

676
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,159
trail and goes. Up immediately as soon AS i saw,

677
00:37:36,199 --> 00:37:38,679
IT i Hear Chris, Yale oh my, God oh my.

678
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,320
GOD i just saw it move across the. Trail daniel saw,

679
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,639
it AND i take off after. IT i started running

680
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,760
full boar up the side of this, ridge PROBABLY i don't,

681
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,199
know seven to ten percent, grade which doesn't sound like

682
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,559
a lot until you're fifty years old and you're in

683
00:37:54,639 --> 00:37:56,679
a bunch of underbrush and.

684
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 3: Deadfall, yeah forty five years, old vend to ten. Percent

685
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,840
it's gonna end up being a. Lot, yeah it was a.

686
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 2: Lot So i'm balls to the wall chasing WHATEVER i

687
00:38:06,039 --> 00:38:08,199
had just. Seen NOW i wasn't seeing it at this.

688
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,280
Point it was. Gone it had crossed the, trail AND

689
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,000
i obviously didn't have my flashlight on. It nobody had

690
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,280
a light on. It i'm chasing this, thing which was.

691
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,480
Dumb in, retrospect it was one of the dumbest Things

692
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,639
i've ever. Done, Hey i'm not gonna catch it BE

693
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,440
i could have been, killed. RIGHT i know that, now

694
00:38:23,519 --> 00:38:25,280
but in the, MOMENT i didn't know what else to.

695
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,480
Do it was fight or, flight AND i was full,

696
00:38:27,679 --> 00:38:29,840
On i'm gonna see this thing. Again i'm gonna get

697
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,880
as close AS i can to see this thing one

698
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,360
more time and hopefully get a look at its. Face

699
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,320
there was so much going, on so it's just total

700
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,079
pandemonium and. Chaos they start running up behind. Me i'm

701
00:38:40,119 --> 00:38:41,800
chasing this. THING i get to the top of the.

702
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,199
Ridge ryan makes it up. There everybody eventually makes it up.

703
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,480
There they start, filming asking me WHAT i. Saw we

704
00:38:48,519 --> 00:38:51,159
can start going through the whole. THING i get super.

705
00:38:51,199 --> 00:38:54,079
EMOTIONAL i cried like a little bitch WHILE i was up.

706
00:38:54,119 --> 00:38:56,760
There And i'll tell you it was. MORE i THINK

707
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:57,920
i had a lot to do with. IT i had

708
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,639
this adrenaline, dump SO i THINK i had a lot

709
00:38:59,679 --> 00:39:02,559
to do with the. Adrenaline BUT i also felt really

710
00:39:02,599 --> 00:39:06,599
shitty BECAUSE i doubted so many people who had explained

711
00:39:06,599 --> 00:39:10,519
to me that they had almost the same thing happened to,

712
00:39:10,559 --> 00:39:13,920
them AND i just rolled my. EYES i was, like

713
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,280
these things don't have glowing. Eyes you weren't ten feet

714
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,519
away from a big. Foot you're full of. Shit and

715
00:39:20,559 --> 00:39:22,440
then it happened to, me SO i felt like a.

716
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,719
DICK i was very emotional BECAUSE i was, upset adrenaline,

717
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,800
pumping AND i had just seen SOMETHING i didn't think,

718
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,000
existed BUT i saw it with my own, EYES i

719
00:39:32,039 --> 00:39:34,960
believe three times in two. Days that was pretty much the.

720
00:39:35,079 --> 00:39:37,920
End after, that we made our way back down to

721
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,639
the rest of the group that couldn't make it up.

722
00:39:39,639 --> 00:39:42,920
There so we're all standing around doing a. Debrief we

723
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,239
get to a point Where bobo, says in my, experience

724
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,280
sometimes when you get that close to these, things or

725
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,639
other people have had these experiences and they've gotten this

726
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,840
close to these, things sometimes if you'll move, on like

727
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,639
the whole group will move, on and somebody hangs, back

728
00:40:01,159 --> 00:40:04,480
you'll have an experience like they'll come back. In AND

729
00:40:04,559 --> 00:40:06,679
i was, like that sounds really. Cool i'd like to

730
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,199
have that. Experience i'll be the one to stay. Back

731
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,440
everybody else goes the two miles back to base camp or.

732
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,920
Whatever i'm gonna hang back. Here by myself sounded. Good

733
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,400
at the time we finished the, filming we did a

734
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,559
big long call and some other stuff that you guys

735
00:40:20,599 --> 00:40:22,480
can see in the. Documentary it was really. Cool it

736
00:40:22,519 --> 00:40:24,760
was a really cool moment to have everybody there and

737
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,280
just experience what we had. Experienced so everybody takes off

738
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,880
And i'm standing there And i'm. Fine i'm perfectly fine

739
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,159
BECAUSE i just chased this thing up the hill with

740
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,320
no fear at. ALL i felt zero fear at any

741
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,159
point during any of this UNTIL i was there by,

742
00:40:40,159 --> 00:40:47,000
myself AND i had almost immediate this overwhelming feeling of.

743
00:40:47,079 --> 00:40:51,000
Dread you need to be somewhere, else And i've only

744
00:40:51,039 --> 00:40:54,719
felt that a couple of. Times BUT i knew well

745
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,360
enough that it was time for me to, go SO

746
00:40:58,039 --> 00:41:00,480
i started making my way back. Down it was probably

747
00:41:00,519 --> 00:41:03,239
ten minutes at most behind the rest of the, group

748
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,199
and WHEN i caught, Up buba was, like what the

749
00:41:05,199 --> 00:41:06,719
hell are you doing down? HERE i thought you were

750
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,079
going to stay back AND i was, like your ass

751
00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:12,360
can go up. There i'm. Not he was like WHAT

752
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,320
i told him about the. Feeling he was, like that's.

753
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,480
Weird i've never heard anybody talk about. THAT i was, like,

754
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,440
DUDE i don't know what it. IS i don't know

755
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,639
if it's the post adrenaline. DUMP i don't know if

756
00:41:20,639 --> 00:41:23,400
it's just me psyching myself, out whatever the case may.

757
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,440
Be my gut was telling me to, go and that's

758
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,880
WHAT i. Did boba, Went he made his way back up.

759
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:30,840
There he stayed up there for a. While he had

760
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,400
no other experiences That i'm aware. Of he said he

761
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,840
didn't hear or see or feel anything while he was up.

762
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,920
There they kind of drew that to a close to.

763
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,920
Me there's no doubt in my mind WHAT i, saw

764
00:41:42,159 --> 00:41:45,440
and it confuses me to this. Day i'm still trying

765
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,679
to process how all of that, Happened HOW i was

766
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:52,639
so close to something that. Big we all estimated once

767
00:41:52,679 --> 00:41:56,320
we got our bearings based on the, foliage the trees

768
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,039
around our. Height i'm six,' two chris is a little

769
00:41:59,039 --> 00:42:01,840
bit taller. Than me he's about. Six four this thing

770
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,159
had to be at least seven to seven and a half,

771
00:42:04,159 --> 00:42:06,679
feet tall because that was ten. Feet away ten feet

772
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,199
is not a, great distance and it. Was big it

773
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,800
was much bigger, than me, much bigger, much taller, much

774
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,960
wider and certainly. WAY hairrier i don't know how to

775
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,760
explain the. GLOWING eyes i don't know how to explain

776
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,920
being that close to something that big that didn't make

777
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,599
any more noise than. It did we heard no vocalizations

778
00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:28,440
of any kind outside of the whistles that. We heard

779
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,159
that didn't. Make sense didn't sound like, a bird didn't

780
00:42:31,159 --> 00:42:33,599
sound like, a cat didn't sound like any other Animal

781
00:42:33,599 --> 00:42:36,559
that i'd. Ever heard it sounded like a person whistling

782
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,239
to get. Our attention that's exactly what it. Sounded like

783
00:42:39,519 --> 00:42:42,880
that's pretty much it man. The, EXPERIENCE again i don't

784
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:43,400
know what else it.

785
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,079
Speaker 3: COULD be i gotta say THAT when i, heard you

786
00:42:46,119 --> 00:42:49,119
when you got BACK and i was listening to this

787
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,920
pod with You and wayne and you were talking, ABOUT

788
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,400
it i gotta say that it's probably the thing that

789
00:42:55,519 --> 00:43:01,239
has shaken my skepticism more, than anything because YOU and i.

790
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,960
HAVE talked i, trust YOU and i trust, your PERCEPTION

791
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,800
and i know how skeptical you were in. The past so,

792
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:13,320
for me it's just like even sparked my interest even More, of,

793
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,559
okay now this is a real MYSTERY that i need

794
00:43:16,599 --> 00:43:19,480
to help dive into in WHATEVER way. I can because

795
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:24,360
when you, Said listen i'm now in the. KNOWER camp i, WAS,

796
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,480
like whoa that's heavy, for ME and i know it is.

797
00:43:28,519 --> 00:43:30,559
FOR you i know that's not a light statement that.

798
00:43:30,639 --> 00:43:33,199
You make so thanks for sharing that, with, me BECAUSE like,

799
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,480
I said i was, just like wait, A second brian

800
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,159
knows what, he, SAW man i got to rethink some of.

801
00:43:40,159 --> 00:43:43,239
THIS stuff i. Gotta say when it comes to the glowing,

802
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,280
EYES thing i, don't Know but i'm not a big

803
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,960
believer that bioluminescence would even be possible for. A, primate

804
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:55,159
honestly there's nothing like that. In primates to, get eyeshine

805
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,599
you got to go back fifty five million years in

806
00:43:58,639 --> 00:44:01,440
primate evolution to. Get that and modern day we're. Talking

807
00:44:01,519 --> 00:44:05,079
lemurs we're talking stuff that's separated from our lineage by

808
00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:08,480
fifty to fifty five. Billion years that part is. REALLY

809
00:44:08,519 --> 00:44:10,920
hard i love when, people, say all we see it

810
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,440
in other parts of the. Animal, world yeah we see

811
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,360
it with things. Like jellyfish we see it with shit

812
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,679
that's so far removed from human it's almost an alien species.

813
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:24,440
TO us i say that intentionally because that thing gets

814
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,719
people into that jump off of the woo thing and all,

815
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,360
of THAT which i don't buy. INTO either i think

816
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,679
that there's probably some. Other explanation either we're dealing with

817
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:38,360
some sort of ape that we've never seen before again

818
00:44:38,639 --> 00:44:41,760
if we're talking a real species out in, the forest

819
00:44:42,119 --> 00:44:45,920
or we're dealing with Something and i'll just leave it

820
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:50,639
at something for now that can make the appearance that

821
00:44:50,679 --> 00:44:55,000
it has glowing eyes that can, do things because those,

822
00:44:55,079 --> 00:44:59,599
are scary those. Are impactful there's something possibly going on.

823
00:44:59,679 --> 00:45:02,639
Speaker 2: That WAY and i haven't seen all of, the Footage

824
00:45:02,679 --> 00:45:05,440
and i'm saying that nobody was shining. A flashlight i've

825
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,920
said that since, day ONE because i don't think there

826
00:45:08,119 --> 00:45:11,920
was anybody shining a flashlight at. That point could somebody

827
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,360
have had, One on could it have been the ambient

828
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:18,119
light from. A camera i. Don't know it's possible that

829
00:45:18,159 --> 00:45:24,079
there was something outside of bioluminescence. Going on i'm open.

830
00:45:24,119 --> 00:45:27,400
To that i'm not saying that by any means that's

831
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,199
the only explanation for what we saw when we saw

832
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,719
the eyes clearly glowing. Or reflecting but in, the moment

833
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,599
and even NOW as i, recall it THAT'S what i.

834
00:45:37,639 --> 00:45:41,719
REMEMBER seeing i remember seeing what looked. Like bioluminescence could

835
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,880
it have been, something, different absolutely because it doesn't compute

836
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,159
to me either humans don't have. Eyes shine we don't

837
00:45:47,159 --> 00:45:48,639
have it to pay them loose, of them so it

838
00:45:48,639 --> 00:45:52,400
wouldn't make sense that something along the lines of an

839
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:56,199
ape would have. THAT ability i am certainly open to. Other,

840
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,960
THINGS again i haven't seen all the footage from all.

841
00:45:59,039 --> 00:46:02,360
The cameras it's possible somebody could have had a light

842
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,199
on and maybe not have been shining. IT directly i

843
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:06,320
don't know a lot of.

844
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 4: Possibilities there any other thing about the bioluminescence angle is

845
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:17,480
that luminescence isn't used so organisms can see better in.

846
00:46:17,519 --> 00:46:21,599
Speaker 3: Their environment it's used. For display its use so other

847
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,639
organisms can see them of their. Own species so it's

848
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,679
weird that you would talk about something. That look if

849
00:46:28,679 --> 00:46:33,840
this is a, biological species it is a. Visual specie

850
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,639
if it has big eyes that are, facing forward it's

851
00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:41,719
relying heavily on. Its vision glowing eyes are not going

852
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,280
to increase its vision. At night glowing eyes are just

853
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:50,280
going to be little beacons to. It's surrounding so that's

854
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:54,159
the other part is it doesn't make sense logically that

855
00:46:54,199 --> 00:46:57,639
an organism would evolve that unless it's being used as

856
00:46:57,679 --> 00:47:02,119
some sort, Of display unless it's being used as something

857
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,440
like that and, the way even in your experience that

858
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,400
you just described that doesn't sound like. A display they're

859
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,599
not using it to scare you or to show you that.

860
00:47:12,679 --> 00:47:15,320
They're there so that's what makes me. JUST wonder i

861
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,920
really think that's an interesting line of QUESTIONING that i

862
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,800
think there may be some hypotheses you could come, up

863
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,880
with look at it scientifically and get to, a deduction

864
00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:27,280
but it's going to be hard to get the data on.

865
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 2: That one it's so interesting to me, because again part

866
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:36,119
of my emotional response to the after, action report if,

867
00:47:36,119 --> 00:47:39,199
you Will was i've heard that from so. Many people

868
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,639
it's not every, single encounter but there are quite a

869
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:47,039
few of anecdotal accounts that people give or have given

870
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:52,559
that say they saw, glowing eyes, different, colors green, yellowish,

871
00:47:52,599 --> 00:47:55,199
white blue in some cases.

872
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 3: Their longtime red was the color that people.

873
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 2: Talked, about yeah is it something that people are projecting into?

874
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,480
That situation did we? Project it but then you get into.

875
00:48:04,559 --> 00:48:09,960
Mass hallucination there's but five people in the moment watching and,

876
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:14,800
Seeing THIS and i have seen some of the footage

877
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:20,159
there was something glowing captured. On video it's, not clear it's,

878
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,920
not perfect but it's enough for me, To, go yes

879
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,400
that's exactly where it, was standing, AND yes i see

880
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:30,119
that in the video we recorded. It happening so there

881
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:35,159
is some extra, evidence there if, you will although it's

882
00:48:35,199 --> 00:48:38,119
not conclusive by any stretch of. The imagination we're not

883
00:48:38,159 --> 00:48:43,119
talking about the, money shot but there is some physical

884
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:48,239
representation of what we saw that made Me go i'm.

885
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,400
Not CRAZY when i, SAW it, I said i'm not

886
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,920
crazy because it's. Clearly there it's a, split second but.

887
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,679
Speaker 3: It's. There, YEAH absolutely i did want to, Say too

888
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,199
please don't beat yourself up for. Questioning people this is

889
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:06,039
SOMETHING that i think is important With the. Sasquatch world

890
00:49:06,159 --> 00:49:08,880
YOU and i have talked, about ball people taking, it

891
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,679
personally people getting into these, different camps that sort. OF

892
00:49:12,679 --> 00:49:17,440
stuff i think if this line of inquiry and this

893
00:49:18,599 --> 00:49:21,519
research is going, to mature it has to get past

894
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,480
that a. Little bit people are always going to, get,

895
00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:27,800
hurt feelings that sort. Of thing but also part of

896
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,760
the point of the scientific method is to take the

897
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,119
human reaction out. OF it i appreciate that, you're, LIKE

898
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,960
man i felt like an ask for, doing this for doubting,

899
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:42,119
These people but at the, same time your skepticism helps

900
00:49:42,159 --> 00:49:47,320
to propel any kind of research into this forward and

901
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,400
you said it at the very beginning, of, This right

902
00:49:49,519 --> 00:49:52,719
that's what needs to happen is we need to have, People,

903
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:56,440
going okay, that's great but could it have? Been this

904
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,519
could it have? Been that because We need the other

905
00:50:00,599 --> 00:50:04,840
part is that emotional reaction. You, had honestly if you

906
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:08,519
look at journal entries things like that from soldiers who are.

907
00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:10,760
In Battle and i'm not saying that anything you were

908
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:15,320
in comes even close to what our veterans and fallen soldiers,

909
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:22,360
went through but that kind of really intense emotional situation in,

910
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:26,119
your case something that you've been how long you've been

911
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:27,599
doing the bigfoot THING.

912
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 2: Since i was?

913
00:50:28,519 --> 00:50:34,760
Speaker 3: Twelve, ish yeah so, a lifelong almost forty year fascination

914
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:37,960
knacking you in the face almost from twenty feet away

915
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,760
and then ten. Feet away if you hadn't had an,

916
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:47,440
EMOTIONAL reaction i, Keep, like brian maybe you should, See, Someone,

917
00:50:47,519 --> 00:50:50,480
hey tom is that with? A therapist because that's like

918
00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:53,320
the most. Human reaction and the JOURNAL part i was

919
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,440
talking about is you look at journals, from soldiers a

920
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,519
lot of them who write honestly and who have been

921
00:50:59,559 --> 00:51:03,199
able to talk honestly after their first encounter with. The

922
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:04,760
enemy soldiers.

923
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:08,119
Speaker 1: Are bawling we've got to pay, some bills but don't.

924
00:51:08,159 --> 00:51:13,079
Go Anywhere That bigfoot podcast'll be right back. After this.

925
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,599
Speaker 3: There may not have even been, shots fucked it's just.

926
00:51:17,679 --> 00:51:22,000
That Intensity and i'll Tell you i've observed more than

927
00:51:22,199 --> 00:51:28,000
thirty what we call battles between chimpanzee communities during my

928
00:51:28,119 --> 00:51:31,119
time in, the field where you have multiple males from

929
00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:35,039
one community multiple males from another community coming together. And

930
00:51:35,079 --> 00:51:40,960
fighting i've observed more than thirty. Of, those afterward our

931
00:51:41,039 --> 00:51:47,559
closest living relatives have that same kind of, emotional overload

932
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:53,400
the adrenaline dump that you're. Talking about, they're screaming they're doing,

933
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:58,440
fear grimaces they're comforting. Each other chips don't really have

934
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:02,760
saline tears so much like, we do but they are

935
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:06,760
doing all the chimp equivalent. After THAT so i would

936
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:11,559
say this is a deeply rooted evolutionary behavior that you

937
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:16,360
experienced after that. Intense experience so you're just a good

938
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,880
primate for. Doing that yet a really. Intense experience it's

939
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:24,239
again that kind of byproduct of those chemicals and hormones

940
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,199
being released into. Your system but getting back to the

941
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,480
nuts and bolts. Of, It MAN now i want to

942
00:52:29,519 --> 00:52:33,280
go to Visit the. Olympic project i've spent some time

943
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,880
In The Olympia national Forest And. NATIONAL park i love.

944
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,360
That AREA but i know what you're talking about how

945
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,599
intense the deadfall the forest can be to, get through

946
00:52:42,679 --> 00:52:46,639
especially if you're not on, a, nice clean manicured hiking

947
00:52:46,679 --> 00:52:50,119
trail that they've set, for, you which in your, guys

948
00:52:50,159 --> 00:52:51,920
case you weren't In The. National park if you're In The,

949
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,800
national park don't go off trail you're not. Supposed to

950
00:52:55,079 --> 00:52:57,480
but in your, guys, Case yeah i've been in. THAT

951
00:52:57,559 --> 00:53:00,280
forest i understand what you're talking about that it. IS

952
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,960
intense i have tried to follow deer and lots of

953
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,519
other animals up slopes like you're. Talking, About yeah, i'm

954
00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:12,000
sorry it's just a hopeless endeavor for a biped to

955
00:53:12,079 --> 00:53:14,440
try and. Do that that's A human i'll say.

956
00:53:14,519 --> 00:53:17,280
Speaker 2: That, one yeah it was definitely. Something man we went

957
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,159
back the next day to try to see if there

958
00:53:19,199 --> 00:53:22,639
was a possibility of seeing something that might have, been evidence.

959
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:23,159
Speaker 1: I e.

960
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 2: Hare footprints chris actually dropped one of. His GoPros he

961
00:53:27,559 --> 00:53:29,159
had one on the front and one on. The back

962
00:53:29,199 --> 00:53:31,000
the one on the back of his head that he

963
00:53:31,039 --> 00:53:34,960
had on there came off during. The kerfuffle were actually looking.

964
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:36,920
For it it's still, out there ladies. And gentlemen we

965
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:38,960
don't have any idea what's. On it there may be

966
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,440
a picture of a sasquatch picking it up and. Sniffing

967
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,519
it we, Don't know probably never know because it's still

968
00:53:44,559 --> 00:53:46,599
out in. The forest but we went back the, next,

969
00:53:46,679 --> 00:53:48,920
day MAN and i can't believe that any of us

970
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,400
survived that without a broken leg or a, broken ankle

971
00:53:53,079 --> 00:53:55,840
especially flat out running the way that. We were it,

972
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,960
was insane the dead fall and the trees and the

973
00:53:59,079 --> 00:54:03,679
jagged sticks and rocks and things that we. Went over but.

974
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,800
We survived, And yeah i've said. This before it goes

975
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:10,239
back to your point earlier about being contested and being

976
00:54:10,559 --> 00:54:14,119
challenged when it comes to. Your experiences i've always been open.

977
00:54:14,199 --> 00:54:16,639
To that we run a Group on facebook that has

978
00:54:16,639 --> 00:54:19,280
almost thirteen thousand members at, This Point bigfoot Encounters And

979
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:23,280
field Research, on Facebook and i've actually stopped admins in

980
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,920
the group from ejecting people and muting people that were

981
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:30,519
disagreeing with me about my evidence OR what i. Put forward, i'm,

982
00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:33,840
like no you're not going to. Do that that's EXACTLY what.

983
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,519
I want i want people that, will say but what?

984
00:54:36,639 --> 00:54:39,199
About this then it makes me think AND that i

985
00:54:39,199 --> 00:54:41,800
can answer, the QUESTION or i, can, say yeah it's

986
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,719
possible there was ambient light instead of them being, glowing

987
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:48,119
eyes although it didn't appear that way at. The time is. That,

988
00:54:48,159 --> 00:54:51,480
possible absolutely it's possible that it was, something ELSE because

989
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,199
i think if you get to the point where you're

990
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:57,039
constantly Drinking the bigfoot, kool aid everything else is just a.

991
00:54:57,079 --> 00:55:00,320
Moot point at, this juncture there's no where to go

992
00:55:00,559 --> 00:55:03,960
Other than i'm a. Diehard believer people still ask me to.

993
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,760
This day i've gotten, messages saying how could you have

994
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,800
an experience like that just last year and still be?

995
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,840
SO skeptical i say it all. The time i'm not

996
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:18,159
Skeptical about. BIGFOOT anymore I know bigfoot is Real because i've.

997
00:55:18,159 --> 00:55:22,760
Seen them i'm skeptical, about people always, have been always

998
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,800
will be because people make. Shit up they want to

999
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,000
be a part of. The club they make, up lies they,

1000
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,880
fake evidence they. Hoax videos That's what i'm, skeptical ABOUT

1001
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,800
and i always. Will be but without those kind, of

1002
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,719
CONVERSATIONS when i put out the footprint CAST that i

1003
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,960
did a couple of years ago on. THE property i

1004
00:55:41,079 --> 00:55:43,280
knew what people were going, to say because they look.

1005
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:47,679
Too good they are too good comparatively speaking to some

1006
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:49,639
of the other Things that i've cast and some of

1007
00:55:49,679 --> 00:55:52,400
the Other things i've seen. PEOPLE cast i knew that

1008
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,760
there was going to be, people, saying oh you just.

1009
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,639
Hoax that what's the chances of the bigfoot podcaster who

1010
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,639
just happens to have bigo on his property casting footprints

1011
00:56:02,679 --> 00:56:05,559
sixty yards from. HIS house i don't know what the.

1012
00:56:05,599 --> 00:56:08,239
Odds are i'm just telling you. What happened but if

1013
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,559
you want to, examine them sure you can. Examine them

1014
00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:12,440
i've given Them, To cliff i've given Them. TO jeff

1015
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,760
i actually took Them to jeff Up in gatlinburg just what,

1016
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,880
last weekend because he had seen, the scans he'd. Seen

1017
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,880
photos he'd just never held the. Actual CAST because I

1018
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,000
sent cliff, A copy i Didn't send jeff. A copy

1019
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:26,639
i have no problem, being CHALLENGED and i think that's

1020
00:56:26,679 --> 00:56:29,280
part of the problem with this Community that. I've seen

1021
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,280
it's probably a conversation for, another Day but i've seen

1022
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,639
that so much in some of the Groups on Facebook

1023
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,360
where you can't even challenge. A person you can't even

1024
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:42,119
ask a question about their photos or their videos or

1025
00:56:42,159 --> 00:56:46,159
their air quote evidence that, they're presenting because that's just

1026
00:56:46,199 --> 00:56:47,679
not what. They're ABOUT and i. Get it you can

1027
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,719
run your group however. You want just Know That bigfoot

1028
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,960
Encounters And field research group. My group you're going to

1029
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,320
be challenged. HANDS down i don't care who. You are

1030
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,840
that's how, we, learn man that's how, we grow and

1031
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:02,079
that's what pushes the in, my opinion further down the

1032
00:57:02,119 --> 00:57:05,400
field is everybody being skeptical about everything but being able

1033
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,559
to sit down and drink a beer and have a conversation.

1034
00:57:07,599 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 3: About, it ABSOLUTELY and i think in some ways it's

1035
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:14,840
almost a natural progression of this kind of lines of

1036
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:22,079
inquiry fascinations is when they mature into either belief systems or.

1037
00:57:22,159 --> 00:57:25,360
SCIENTIFIC inquiry i think that's the choice that people have.

1038
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,320
To make do you want to be part of the

1039
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:32,119
Church of bigfoot or do you want to be part

1040
00:57:32,199 --> 00:57:36,760
of the Study. OF bigfoot i won't even attach, science there,

1041
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:41,119
because again observations are really valuable without applying any kind.

1042
00:57:41,119 --> 00:57:44,679
Of methodology my third, watching example we get lots of data.

1043
00:57:44,719 --> 00:57:49,079
That WAY but i hear so many people on podcasts,

1044
00:57:49,239 --> 00:57:54,079
at conferences PEOPLE that i talk to talking about wait

1045
00:57:54,199 --> 00:57:58,840
till science recognizes, these things and so many organizations out

1046
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:02,559
there their mission is to get science to recognize. These

1047
00:58:02,599 --> 00:58:05,679
things for, THOSE folks i, Would, say okay the question

1048
00:58:06,039 --> 00:58:12,199
is it's not science changing to recognize. These things it's

1049
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:18,320
using scientific methods to show that the data's overwhelming that says,

1050
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:22,639
watch exists and it's not proving anything because science doesn't.

1051
00:58:22,679 --> 00:58:27,559
Prove things mathematics. Has proofs. That's geometry it's not getting to.

1052
00:58:27,599 --> 00:58:31,320
The truth that's getting to the facts and how people

1053
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:32,920
want to go. About that if you want to prove

1054
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,079
things to yourself and get to your, own truth that's

1055
00:58:36,119 --> 00:58:39,440
about philosophy. And religion that's a. Belief system that's. Totally

1056
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:44,159
FINE but i think folks naturally fall into belief systems.

1057
00:58:44,719 --> 00:58:48,280
Quite honestly maybe this is my, bias speaking but it's

1058
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:52,920
easier TO say i, believe this rather than methodically Collecting

1059
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:56,320
data like. YOU said i. Love that, you, SAID hey

1060
00:58:56,679 --> 00:58:59,559
i haven't seen all the. Video yet maybe there was a.

1061
00:58:59,639 --> 00:59:04,280
Light somewhere controlling for all the variables, you can and

1062
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,519
you just left the door open for let's control for

1063
00:59:07,599 --> 00:59:12,239
those variables before we make. Definitive statements that's part. OF

1064
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:17,079
science i love the idea of sasquatch being out, There

1065
00:59:17,719 --> 00:59:20,920
again i'll, say, it man since you have had. Your

1066
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:26,320
Experience now, i'm, like Okay now i'm really questioning STUFF

1067
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:29,400
because i just FEEL like i understand where you're. Coming

1068
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,119
From and i've been On with Cliff and bobo a

1069
00:59:32,199 --> 00:59:34,239
few Times and matt a, few TIMES and i love

1070
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:37,800
those GUYS and i appreciate, their PERSPECTIVE but i don't

1071
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,679
have the same kind. Of connection and they have been

1072
00:59:40,719 --> 00:59:42,559
in the game for so long and they have had.

1073
00:59:42,599 --> 00:59:45,320
Their EXPERIENCES when i, met them they, were, Like no

1074
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,760
i'm telling you these things. Are Real and, I'm, like okay.

1075
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:51,320
We'll see let's talk about what this deal. IS again

1076
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:55,199
i appreciate you. SHARING that i really appreciate that you

1077
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:58,440
shared about the emotional COMPONENT because i think that needs to, be.

1078
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:02,000
NORMALIZED right i think people need. To, realize, look man

1079
01:00:02,079 --> 01:00:05,000
if you're out on a hike and a mountain lion is,

1080
01:00:05,079 --> 01:00:07,960
stalking you and you figure, it out and you see

1081
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,760
that thing's tail as it, goes off and you feel

1082
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:12,840
yourself not being able to catch, your breath and you

1083
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:16,559
feel yourself getting a little. Weld up even if you have,

1084
01:00:16,679 --> 01:00:20,599
an outburst don't kick yourself and think that you're somehow

1085
01:00:20,679 --> 01:00:24,280
weak or. You're this that's just a human reaction and,

1086
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:27,079
it's okay. QUITE honestly I hope i get to have one.

1087
01:00:27,079 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 2: OF those i hope. So TOO and i had to

1088
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,159
admit to it because they. FILMED it i was crying in.

1089
01:00:33,199 --> 01:00:36,000
The documentaries it's going to be out there in perpetuity

1090
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,559
for everybody to see from now On when My Big

1091
01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:41,199
foot life does. Come out it's a. Great documentary i've

1092
01:00:41,199 --> 01:00:44,079
seen a rough cut from several. MONTHS ago i think

1093
01:00:44,119 --> 01:00:47,119
it's an awesome documentary and we'll certainly talk more about

1094
01:00:47,119 --> 01:00:48,960
it on the show and let you guys know when it.

1095
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,639
Comes out obviously we'll be promoting it so you guys can. Watch,

1096
01:00:51,679 --> 01:00:54,800
it man there's so much STUFF that i had in

1097
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:57,119
the hopper that we didn't get. To today that just

1098
01:00:57,159 --> 01:00:58,679
means we'll have to have you back and you have

1099
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,159
to do more of these these back in the hopper

1100
01:01:01,199 --> 01:01:03,199
and we'll pull them out on the. Next show if

1101
01:01:03,199 --> 01:01:05,199
there's something you guys want to hear us, talk about

1102
01:01:05,239 --> 01:01:09,400
you want to Get, Doctor hogan chiro's opinion on or

1103
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:11,119
you just want to hear us chew the fat, over

1104
01:01:11,159 --> 01:01:14,199
it send me An email Brian at paranamberworldproductions. Dot com

1105
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:16,079
you can head over to the website leave us a.

1106
01:01:16,159 --> 01:01:19,320
Voicemail there it comes directly. To me we get those every.

1107
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,800
Single day so if there's something you want us to

1108
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,440
talk about on a, future episode let. Us know hit

1109
01:01:24,519 --> 01:01:26,800
us up because we Will have hogan back on the

1110
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,679
show sooner rather. Than, Later man i've had a good

1111
01:01:29,719 --> 01:01:31,320
time talking. To you i'm glad you, were On and

1112
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:33,599
i'm looking forward to the next conversation so we can

1113
01:01:33,639 --> 01:01:35,360
dig into some of these other topics we didn't get.

1114
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 3: To, today, ABSOLUTELY man i appreciate you bringing. Me on

1115
01:01:38,719 --> 01:01:41,079
oh it's great to chat with you and just shoot

1116
01:01:41,079 --> 01:01:43,280
things back and forth to see how it. TURNS out

1117
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:45,760
i never know where conversations are going, to lead and

1118
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:47,519
that's part OF what i love. ABOUT it i look

1119
01:01:47,559 --> 01:01:48,039
forward to more.

1120
01:01:48,079 --> 01:03:35,679
Speaker 5: Of Them, lettle Rabble let a s