WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.080 --> 00:00:05.440 It's Night Side with Dan Ray on w BZY Boston's 2 00:00:05.480 --> 00:00:06.040 new video. 3 00:00:06.799 --> 00:00:10.560 Nicole, thank you very much for the quick intro. And 4 00:00:10.800 --> 00:00:13.919 I'm going to be here almost every day this week. 5 00:00:14.759 --> 00:00:18.519 I am going to be here Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Phillion 6 00:00:18.600 --> 00:00:23.519 for Dan obviously, I'm here tonight Tuesday. Ben Parker will 7 00:00:23.559 --> 00:00:27.679 be here. That's tomorrow night. But I've got a great 8 00:00:27.839 --> 00:00:31.519 show plans for you, and tonight I've got a couple 9 00:00:31.519 --> 00:00:34.399 of people I've never interviewed before. You know, I tend 10 00:00:34.399 --> 00:00:41.320 to lean on a regular core of people movers here 11 00:00:41.759 --> 00:00:45.159 in the Greater Boston area, and I've got some of them, 12 00:00:45.200 --> 00:00:47.719 like Bill and Bow Winnaker. They'll be here tonight at 13 00:00:47.799 --> 00:00:52.119 ten o'clock. Next hour, Well, i'll tell you about next 14 00:00:52.119 --> 00:00:53.479 hour a little bit later on. I want to deal 15 00:00:53.520 --> 00:00:55.920 with the first hour. And I've got some names for 16 00:00:56.000 --> 00:01:00.600 you to think about. Walter Winchell, Ronna Barrett, Dorothy kill Gallon, 17 00:01:00.759 --> 00:01:07.519 Kitty Kelly. In Boston, we had in the seventies and eighties, Norma, 18 00:01:07.640 --> 00:01:14.359 Nathan the I people who are columnists and they write 19 00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:21.920 about the people in the public eye, whether they're movies, TV, authors, 20 00:01:22.040 --> 00:01:26.439 what have you. And this gentleman has done that job 21 00:01:27.640 --> 00:01:31.519 for years. I mean, he has written for people The 22 00:01:31.599 --> 00:01:37.319 National Inquirer, Entertainment Weekly, US say Today, and others. So 23 00:01:37.920 --> 00:01:42.599 I'm about to welcome in mister William Keck and that's 24 00:01:42.680 --> 00:01:46.640 K E C K and William. Do you want to 25 00:01:46.640 --> 00:01:48.599 be called will or William? 26 00:01:49.319 --> 00:01:52.760 Yeah? Hi, Morgan, you can call me William. That'll be 27 00:01:52.799 --> 00:01:53.319 just fine. 28 00:01:54.359 --> 00:01:58.480 I always make a clarification with people's names. I want 29 00:01:58.519 --> 00:02:01.879 to pronounce it the way it should be pronounced. And 30 00:02:02.000 --> 00:02:04.120 if they have a situation like that, I want to 31 00:02:04.120 --> 00:02:05.959 call you the way that you prefer to be called 32 00:02:05.959 --> 00:02:06.400 a supper. 33 00:02:07.319 --> 00:02:10.280 Well, I appreciate that, I really really do. People have 34 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:13.479 gotten my name wrong many times. I remember Milton Burrough 35 00:02:13.919 --> 00:02:16.639 used to call me William Peck and I was black 36 00:02:16.719 --> 00:02:19.719 him and I'd say, sir, it's William Peck and he'd say, 37 00:02:19.759 --> 00:02:21.280 I'll call you a pack if I want to call 38 00:02:21.319 --> 00:02:24.840 you a pack Peck. I do appreciate it, Morgan, thank 39 00:02:24.879 --> 00:02:25.520 you very much. 40 00:02:25.639 --> 00:02:30.400 Wait. Wait, here's memitation of Milton Burrough. One word makeup. Okay, 41 00:02:31.080 --> 00:02:31.960 get that out the way. 42 00:02:32.840 --> 00:02:35.680 If only I had a giant powder pup, I'd clasped 43 00:02:35.680 --> 00:02:37.080 the heck out of you there in Boston. 44 00:02:37.439 --> 00:02:39.800 Oh my good, that's a three thousand mile reach from 45 00:02:39.800 --> 00:02:43.840 where you are. You've got a new book out called 46 00:02:44.039 --> 00:02:48.479 When You Step Upon a Star. Thank you to Disneylands 47 00:02:48.479 --> 00:02:51.840 for that title, When You Wish Upon a Star, and 48 00:02:52.560 --> 00:02:57.240 you've got the World's Most Unforgiving job. 49 00:02:58.280 --> 00:03:01.680 You've got to know you mentioned in those other journalists 50 00:03:01.719 --> 00:03:05.159 that you were comparing me to Yes Dorothy kill Gallen, 51 00:03:05.280 --> 00:03:08.520 and she was actually murdered. So I mean, I think 52 00:03:08.560 --> 00:03:11.199 I came. I came pretty close a few times, and 53 00:03:11.199 --> 00:03:12.680 I'm lucky that I wasn't. 54 00:03:12.919 --> 00:03:14.879 I'm happy to hear you weren't right now to be 55 00:03:14.960 --> 00:03:16.000 dead air if you were. 56 00:03:17.800 --> 00:03:19.599 Well, you know, I'm going to tell you something, Morgan. 57 00:03:19.919 --> 00:03:23.800 I've been so excited about this interview, but I had 58 00:03:23.840 --> 00:03:27.479 an appointment afterwards. So I'm in my car and I 59 00:03:27.560 --> 00:03:31.080 decided to pull over wherever I was wherever I was 60 00:03:31.120 --> 00:03:33.800 going to be at five o'clock. I gets at o'clock 61 00:03:33.879 --> 00:03:37.199 your time, and it turned out where I pulled into 62 00:03:37.400 --> 00:03:41.520 was Forest Lawn Cemetery. So I'm talking to you at 63 00:03:41.560 --> 00:03:44.879 a place where I was so many times crashing funerals 64 00:03:44.919 --> 00:03:49.479 and getting into all sorts of horrible shenanigans. So it's 65 00:03:49.560 --> 00:03:51.919 very appropriate that I'm talking to you here from Forest Lawn. 66 00:03:52.080 --> 00:03:55.360 Well, it should be quiet and the sun the sun 67 00:03:55.439 --> 00:03:59.199 is still up over where you are, so the eerie 68 00:03:59.199 --> 00:04:01.319 feeling of a military when it's dark. 69 00:04:02.599 --> 00:04:06.199 Yeah, it's a beautiful sunny day and it's very quiet. 70 00:04:06.199 --> 00:04:09.879 It's dead quiet. And hopefully they won't kick me out, 71 00:04:09.879 --> 00:04:11.520 but if they do, it won't be the first time 72 00:04:11.560 --> 00:04:13.400 I've been kicked out of the cemetery. 73 00:04:13.560 --> 00:04:15.639 How did you get into this business? 74 00:04:16.720 --> 00:04:21.560 Well, I grew up in upstate New York, and I 75 00:04:21.879 --> 00:04:24.160 knew I wanted to be part of Hollywood in some way, 76 00:04:24.639 --> 00:04:28.560 and I really wanted to meet the Golden Age stars. 77 00:04:28.560 --> 00:04:32.439 Well I still could, and I remember I was in 78 00:04:32.480 --> 00:04:35.800 New York City when Lucille Ball died and it really 79 00:04:35.920 --> 00:04:39.639 rocked my world. She was just a huge, huge, huge 80 00:04:39.639 --> 00:04:42.199 idol of mine, maybe top of my list of all 81 00:04:42.279 --> 00:04:46.199 celebrities I wanted to meet. And when she died, I 82 00:04:46.279 --> 00:04:49.399 withdrew from college. I was going to Hobart College in Geneva, 83 00:04:49.399 --> 00:04:53.480 New York. I transferred to USC I ended up getting 84 00:04:53.519 --> 00:04:56.759 an internship with the Johnny Carson Show, The Tonight Show, 85 00:04:57.399 --> 00:05:01.040 and through a series of circumstances that me to the 86 00:05:01.120 --> 00:05:03.639 national Inquirer, and I knew the Acquirer would be a 87 00:05:03.639 --> 00:05:06.639 way that I could meet all those Golden Age stars. 88 00:05:07.160 --> 00:05:09.720 The problem was the way I met them was crashing 89 00:05:09.720 --> 00:05:14.040 their weddings and funerals and bar mitswas and brusses. So 90 00:05:14.759 --> 00:05:16.600 be careful what you wish for, Morgan. 91 00:05:17.439 --> 00:05:22.519 I have been, and I'll tell you the equivalent story 92 00:05:23.639 --> 00:05:27.199 when I got into this business. And it's a story 93 00:05:27.240 --> 00:05:29.079 I've told before, So I'm not going to bore my 94 00:05:29.160 --> 00:05:32.240 audience by, Oh, Morgan's going to tell those stories again. 95 00:05:32.920 --> 00:05:39.399 But I wanted to meet the people who were dominating 96 00:05:40.480 --> 00:05:45.720 my attention growing up, and almost anyone who was on 97 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:50.399 radio or TV when I began in nineteen eighty, I've 98 00:05:50.439 --> 00:05:52.920 made sure I had a chance to speak to I've 99 00:05:52.959 --> 00:05:56.959 got some photos on my wall and I'm looking at 100 00:05:56.959 --> 00:06:02.160 a photo with Rex Trailer. They had a birthday party 101 00:06:02.199 --> 00:06:06.040 for him about twelve years ago, and I was fortunate 102 00:06:06.160 --> 00:06:09.920 enough to be able to kind of see that party. 103 00:06:10.040 --> 00:06:14.800 And I'm looking at all the various celebrities that were 104 00:06:14.879 --> 00:06:20.759 at one time Boston's Kitty Show hosts Boso played by 105 00:06:20.759 --> 00:06:24.319 Frank R. Rush and Major Mud. They had some sort 106 00:06:24.319 --> 00:06:29.399 of event where they all attended and They're about eight 107 00:06:29.480 --> 00:06:32.800 or nine of them in this one photo, and I 108 00:06:32.839 --> 00:06:38.759 interviewed maybe seven of those nine people. And the people 109 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:45.279 on radio legends like Don Kent, Jess Caine, I've had 110 00:06:45.319 --> 00:06:48.720 on my show over the years. And when I think 111 00:06:48.759 --> 00:06:50.800 back on the once, I was lucky enough to get 112 00:06:51.759 --> 00:06:55.480 and very lucky to get because in one case a 113 00:06:55.560 --> 00:06:58.240 gentleman passed away one week after I had him on 114 00:06:58.279 --> 00:07:04.480 the air. It meant something to me to speak to 115 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:07.600 these people and to offer them to my audience. 116 00:07:08.399 --> 00:07:11.439 So, yeah, aren't we lucky? Aren't we fortunate that we 117 00:07:11.519 --> 00:07:14.959 got to brush shoulders with these legends? And you know 118 00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:16.839 you were going through that list, and I want to 119 00:07:16.839 --> 00:07:19.120 ask you, I, like I mentioned, grew up in upstate 120 00:07:19.160 --> 00:07:22.600 New York, and I guess it was the mid eighties 121 00:07:22.639 --> 00:07:25.639 when we got cable television, early eighties, and one of 122 00:07:25.680 --> 00:07:28.079 the first channels we got, I correct me if I'm wrong. 123 00:07:28.079 --> 00:07:30.199 I thought it was from Boston channel thirty eight. 124 00:07:30.959 --> 00:07:36.639 WSBK originally started in nineteen sixty five and the call 125 00:07:36.759 --> 00:07:41.959 letters then it was involved with Boston's Catholic radio and 126 00:07:42.040 --> 00:07:47.959 TV WIHS, which stood for in His Service, and they 127 00:07:48.040 --> 00:07:53.079 eventually changed to SBK channel thirty eight and it's still 128 00:07:53.519 --> 00:07:54.839 a major powerhouse now. 129 00:07:55.759 --> 00:07:58.800 Yes, And there was a character, a children's clown called 130 00:07:58.839 --> 00:07:59.560 Willie Whistle. 131 00:08:00.199 --> 00:08:03.639 Beach played Willy Whistle and he spoke. I don't know 132 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:05.199 if he did it with his real voice, if he 133 00:08:05.240 --> 00:08:11.279 had some sort of device. That's as close as I 134 00:08:11.279 --> 00:08:14.240 can approximate the voice of Willy Whistle. 135 00:08:14.759 --> 00:08:17.399 That was pretty good. Did you ever interview Willy Whistle? 136 00:08:18.399 --> 00:08:18.639 No? 137 00:08:19.000 --> 00:08:26.800 Unfortunately, a woman who was a friend colleague, make Lavigna, 138 00:08:26.839 --> 00:08:30.959 who was in their programming department, was going to get 139 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:35.440 Willy for me, and he had a flu with something 140 00:08:35.480 --> 00:08:41.000 that ruined that date that we had scheduled, and we 141 00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:44.639 never rescheduled another one. And need I say it, I 142 00:08:44.720 --> 00:08:47.639 lost out on my opportunity when he passed away. 143 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:52.919 Oh, Willie Whistle is no longer with us, stopped flowing. 144 00:08:53.679 --> 00:08:56.519 I don't know. I don't know how redid that voice. 145 00:08:56.720 --> 00:08:59.159 When I was younger, when I was in high school, 146 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:03.840 I could do that voice, but that high school was 147 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:06.919 decades ago, and decades to Beg's. 148 00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:10.200 I could do that Beg's high pitched voice, and I can't. 149 00:09:10.200 --> 00:09:12.240 I can't do it anymore. I just I'm too old 150 00:09:12.279 --> 00:09:13.559 to do it. But I miss it. 151 00:09:14.080 --> 00:09:16.159 Well, let me take my first break of the hourl William, 152 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:19.080 and when we come back, I'm going to I'll give 153 00:09:19.120 --> 00:09:21.039 the phone number anyone out there who'd like to speak 154 00:09:21.080 --> 00:09:24.919 to mister William Keck his book When You Step upon 155 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:29.360 a Star, Get Get It Tongue in cheek six one, seven, two, five, 156 00:09:29.399 --> 00:09:32.080 four ten thirty or eight eight, eight, nine, two, nine, 157 00:09:32.080 --> 00:09:35.559 ten thirty. This is night Side. Dan Ray is off 158 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:39.279 this week. I'm here for four nights this week and 159 00:09:39.360 --> 00:09:41.320 Ben Star will be here tomorrow. The I've got the 160 00:09:41.360 --> 00:09:44.720 rest of the week. Time and temperature here on night 161 00:09:44.840 --> 00:09:50.639 Side it is eight seventeen seventy five degrees. 162 00:09:53.120 --> 00:09:56.120 Now back to Dan Ray line from the Window World 163 00:09:56.240 --> 00:09:59.360 night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio. 164 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:04.000 It is off tonight, and I'm speaking to one individual. 165 00:10:04.039 --> 00:10:08.000 If you are an eight year old young lady and 166 00:10:08.039 --> 00:10:12.480 you're calling from South Carolina, listing in South Carolina, and 167 00:10:12.519 --> 00:10:15.720 your name is Baby Ryan, it's almost your bedtime. But 168 00:10:16.879 --> 00:10:19.279 I did promise your mother and you that I would 169 00:10:19.279 --> 00:10:22.919 say hello to you. So Hello to Baby Ryan. And 170 00:10:23.039 --> 00:10:25.960 for the rest of my audience across thirty eight states 171 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:31.080 and parts of Canada, I've got mister William keck k E. 172 00:10:31.480 --> 00:10:35.840 C K who is an author, a calmnist. He's written 173 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:39.879 a book called When You Step Upon a Star, Confessions 174 00:10:39.879 --> 00:10:44.159 of a Tabloid bad Boy. He spoke and reported about 175 00:10:44.559 --> 00:10:50.679 one hundreds hundreds of public personalities and spied on some too. 176 00:10:51.279 --> 00:10:56.200 Some feared him, others hated him. And I want you 177 00:10:56.279 --> 00:10:59.360 to give me a quick story because I read a 178 00:10:59.440 --> 00:11:04.440 quote from Kelsey Grammar. Oh, yes, he's not a fan 179 00:11:04.480 --> 00:11:05.279 of yours. 180 00:11:05.679 --> 00:11:07.480 No, And what was the. 181 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:13.440 Little bump in the road that caused Kelsey not to 182 00:11:13.480 --> 00:11:14.840 be you a number one fan? 183 00:11:15.919 --> 00:11:17.600 Well, you know, I wish I could say it was 184 00:11:17.679 --> 00:11:22.120 one bump, but it's the whole rocky road that continued 185 00:11:22.399 --> 00:11:25.919 for about thirty years. You know, Kelsey's a fine guy, 186 00:11:26.039 --> 00:11:28.320 but back in the nineties when I was working for 187 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:30.840 the Inquirer, I was a bad boy. But he was 188 00:11:30.879 --> 00:11:33.000 also a bad boy. He was getting into a lot 189 00:11:33.039 --> 00:11:37.080 of trouble and I was assigned to sort of expose 190 00:11:37.159 --> 00:11:41.039 his secrets, okay, and that meant feeling his garbage. His 191 00:11:41.159 --> 00:11:45.360 fiance at the time was my source giving me stories 192 00:11:45.399 --> 00:11:48.720 on him. His own brother was giving stories on Kelsey. 193 00:11:49.240 --> 00:11:51.840 So when it came time for Kelsey to write his 194 00:11:51.879 --> 00:11:57.279 own memoir. He devoted two pages to me, and you 195 00:11:57.320 --> 00:12:00.360 can actually still order the audio version, and you can 196 00:12:00.399 --> 00:12:04.679 hear Kelsey in his frasier voice saying, William Keck, a 197 00:12:04.679 --> 00:12:08.120 despicable piece of flesh from the National Inquirer. Your mother 198 00:12:08.240 --> 00:12:10.759 must be very, very proud. I invite you to burn 199 00:12:10.879 --> 00:12:15.840 in hell. So I did share my chapter with Kelsey. 200 00:12:17.000 --> 00:12:21.000 He chose not to respond, but his people gave me 201 00:12:21.039 --> 00:12:24.080 the sign off to continue. But his ex fiancee, who's 202 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:27.200 still a friend of mine, she did contribute a page 203 00:12:27.240 --> 00:12:30.279 to my book, and she talked about kind of some 204 00:12:30.320 --> 00:12:34.000 secrets about the relationship and how he called off their 205 00:12:34.039 --> 00:12:37.360 wedding by using their therapist. The therapist broke the news 206 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:38.279 that they were done. 207 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:42.039 Oh now there's one for the books. 208 00:12:43.320 --> 00:12:43.559 Yeah. 209 00:12:44.360 --> 00:12:46.320 Literally. So I don't think Kelsey is going to be 210 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:49.200 happy with that either. I don't know. I'd love to 211 00:12:49.240 --> 00:12:51.480 make amends with him, but I don't see it happening. 212 00:12:52.200 --> 00:12:55.679 Of all the things he has done, whether he's wearing 213 00:12:55.679 --> 00:13:00.519 blue makeup and being the beast in the franchise for 214 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:05.519 X Men or being a barfly here in Boston and Seattle. 215 00:13:06.519 --> 00:13:11.080 I liked the Chicago mayor role that he portrayed. I 216 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:17.399 think that was closer to the real Kelsey and Boss. Yes. 217 00:13:18.399 --> 00:13:19.960 Yeah, he's a great actor, isn't he. 218 00:13:20.360 --> 00:13:23.720 Yep. Well, you know they put these words on a 219 00:13:23.759 --> 00:13:27.039 piece of paper, then they want you to bring that 220 00:13:27.720 --> 00:13:31.080 character to life. And that's what all actors are paid 221 00:13:31.120 --> 00:13:33.840 to do. Tell you what, You've got some phone traffic, 222 00:13:33.919 --> 00:13:36.120 So let me take a couple of phone calls before 223 00:13:36.120 --> 00:13:37.200 I have another break to take. 224 00:13:37.240 --> 00:13:38.960 Oh fabulous, I would love that. 225 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:43.000 Let's go to Belmont, Massachusetts and speak to Joe. Joe, 226 00:13:43.840 --> 00:13:46.360 You've got you got William Keck. 227 00:13:47.559 --> 00:13:51.600 I got a question for William all right, when you 228 00:13:51.720 --> 00:13:57.080 wish upon a Star the Disney movie. Does that have 229 00:13:57.159 --> 00:13:59.440 anything to do with your title of your book? 230 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:02.639 I think you thank you? Play on words? 231 00:14:04.440 --> 00:14:06.759 Yeah, thank you, thank you. Joe. Well, you know, I 232 00:14:06.799 --> 00:14:10.720 am a big Disney fan, and I did love Pinocchio, 233 00:14:10.840 --> 00:14:13.519 and I loved when Jimminy Cricket saying when you wish 234 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:16.879 upon a star, and Jimmy Cricket was all about following 235 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:20.519 your conscience, and for a few years I didn't really 236 00:14:20.519 --> 00:14:24.159 follow my conscience. I made some bad decisions. So I 237 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:27.679 thought when You step upon a Star was sort of 238 00:14:27.720 --> 00:14:30.039 an appropriate play on words. But it also kind of 239 00:14:30.080 --> 00:14:33.480 represents the Walk of Fame, the Hollywood Walk of Fame, 240 00:14:33.519 --> 00:14:36.399 and I stepped on a lot of stars, both figuratively 241 00:14:36.480 --> 00:14:36.960 and literally. 242 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:41.039 Yeah, and uh, you know you mentioned the word conscience, 243 00:14:42.039 --> 00:14:45.360 and I think when you wish upon a star, you 244 00:14:45.360 --> 00:14:48.600 should wish upon God instead of a start, because that's 245 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:49.720 for astrology. 246 00:14:50.039 --> 00:14:52.480 All right, Well, Joe, thank you for the call. I 247 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:55.960 think we're giving a little subject. 248 00:14:57.120 --> 00:14:59.399 It can't it can't hurt. It can't hurt. I hear 249 00:14:59.440 --> 00:15:02.039 you' we need God right now. So thank you for 250 00:15:02.080 --> 00:15:02.759 that call, Joe. 251 00:15:02.960 --> 00:15:05.799 Yes, and I've got a few words to say to you, 252 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:10.039 and it's based on how we started this conversation. I 253 00:15:10.080 --> 00:15:13.240 love Lucy and she loves me. Where's happiest too, can 254 00:15:13.279 --> 00:15:16.399 be sometimes we quarrel, but then how we love making 255 00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:19.600 up again. Lucy kisses like no one can. She's my 256 00:15:19.720 --> 00:15:22.720 missus and I'm her man. And life is heaven you see, 257 00:15:23.399 --> 00:15:26.240 because I love Lucy. Yes, I love Lucy and Lucy 258 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:28.240 loves me. You mentioned. 259 00:15:29.919 --> 00:15:33.080 I love that you got every word. I feel like 260 00:15:33.080 --> 00:15:34.919 I'm talking to DESI arnez right now. 261 00:15:35.320 --> 00:15:38.279 Well, don't go that far. 262 00:15:39.279 --> 00:15:41.159 Well, you know I did. There was there was a 263 00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:43.919 photo that appeared today. It was the first photo in 264 00:15:44.080 --> 00:15:47.879 years of Desi Arnez Jr. And he had a big 265 00:15:47.879 --> 00:15:51.320 old beard. He was with his sister, Lucy Arnez, and 266 00:15:51.399 --> 00:15:54.120 I did have the opportunity to interview. I didn't get 267 00:15:54.159 --> 00:15:56.120 to speak to Lucy, but I spoke to the children, 268 00:15:56.519 --> 00:15:59.039 Lucy Arnez and Desi Arnez Junior together and that was 269 00:15:59.120 --> 00:16:01.039 really a point of my career. 270 00:16:01.159 --> 00:16:04.720 And you want to know what they were in the 271 00:16:04.960 --> 00:16:10.320 perfect catbird seat to see all sides of Hollywood, in 272 00:16:10.360 --> 00:16:15.240 front of the camera and behind the camera. And anytime 273 00:16:15.279 --> 00:16:20.759 I've seen them interviewed on a game show or anything 274 00:16:20.840 --> 00:16:24.919 that they did in public, they were always respectful of 275 00:16:25.039 --> 00:16:26.480 both their mother and father. 276 00:16:27.480 --> 00:16:32.919 Oh yes, absolutely, they've done a wonderful job securing their reputation. 277 00:16:33.039 --> 00:16:35.759 And I remember when I was interviewing them, they said 278 00:16:35.799 --> 00:16:39.320 one of their main jobs in running the Luci o' 279 00:16:39.360 --> 00:16:45.000 ball Foundation was fielding offers for products that people had, 280 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:48.639 and they said they would just hear every possible idea 281 00:16:48.759 --> 00:16:53.559 for a Lucy and Desie merchandise right tie in. And 282 00:16:53.559 --> 00:16:55.639 they said one of the pitches that they had to 283 00:16:55.720 --> 00:16:58.559 turn down was Lucy Desi toilet paper. 284 00:17:01.639 --> 00:17:09.839 Oh, I'm sure there are many many add concepts account 285 00:17:10.000 --> 00:17:13.319 to mind for that. And this is a real quick 286 00:17:13.359 --> 00:17:15.880 thing before we take another phone call from New Jersey. 287 00:17:17.279 --> 00:17:21.440 One of the last shows produced at Desi Lou Studios 288 00:17:21.960 --> 00:17:24.279 was Star Trek. And I feel that that's kind of 289 00:17:24.319 --> 00:17:28.559 a thing that makes you say, hmm, that that show 290 00:17:28.839 --> 00:17:31.680 was shot on Desilu. 291 00:17:31.240 --> 00:17:34.680 Property, isn't that cool? And I'll tell you My publisher 292 00:17:35.079 --> 00:17:40.279 a company called Jacobs Brown Media. They have published many, 293 00:17:40.319 --> 00:17:45.599 many Star Trek books, So I think that they were 294 00:17:45.640 --> 00:17:49.279 really intrigued by my fascination with Lucy, because yes, Lucy 295 00:17:49.799 --> 00:17:52.400 greenlit Star Trek. There wouldn't be a Star Trek without 296 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:56.640 Lucille Ball giving her go ahead to finance that. And 297 00:17:56.680 --> 00:17:59.720 I actually do have a chapter in my book about 298 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:02.720 William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy. I had a couple of 299 00:18:02.759 --> 00:18:05.319 run ins with them that I talked about in the book. 300 00:18:05.480 --> 00:18:10.720 Well, Leonard Nimoy is a Boston boy and his father, ironically, 301 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:16.039 this conversation came up on My weekend show just last weekend. 302 00:18:16.799 --> 00:18:22.319 His father's barbershop, Max Demoy's barbershop, was almost at the 303 00:18:22.319 --> 00:18:27.880 intersection of River Street and Blue Hill Avenue in the 304 00:18:27.920 --> 00:18:31.799 Mattapan section of Boston, and it's a section that had 305 00:18:31.839 --> 00:18:37.559 been heavily Jewish and in the sixties evolved into an 306 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:41.920 inner city community. But his father stayed at that barbershop 307 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:46.599 even as his son was on TV having those ears 308 00:18:47.079 --> 00:18:49.599 pointing straight up. Let me let me take the break 309 00:18:49.599 --> 00:18:52.400 and get it out the way, Gary, New Jersey. You've 310 00:18:52.440 --> 00:18:54.720 called in. You will get a chance to speak with 311 00:18:54.759 --> 00:19:00.400 William Keck anyone else who wants to do that. Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten, thirty, eight, 312 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:04.000 eight nine to nineteen thirty. This is Night Side without 313 00:19:04.079 --> 00:19:07.039 Dan Ray. Tonight, I'm Morgan White Junior filling in. Let's 314 00:19:07.039 --> 00:19:09.480 take our break. At the bottom of the hour time 315 00:19:09.640 --> 00:19:13.279 eight thirty seventy five degrees. 316 00:19:16.400 --> 00:19:20.599 Is Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio. 317 00:19:20.960 --> 00:19:23.480 I'm filling in for Dan. You know me. I've been 318 00:19:23.519 --> 00:19:28.000 around busy since nineteen ninety five and ninety six. Morgan 319 00:19:28.000 --> 00:19:30.799 White Junior, front and center, filling in for Dan Ray. 320 00:19:31.559 --> 00:19:34.920 I'll be here all week except tomorrow. Ben Parker will 321 00:19:34.960 --> 00:19:41.480 be here tomorrow, and yes, that's what I said. Ben Parker. 322 00:19:42.279 --> 00:19:47.640 He'll be here tomorrow, and I'll be here Wednesday, Thursday 323 00:19:47.920 --> 00:19:52.079 and Friday. My guest this hour mister William Kick, who 324 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:57.200 is a columnist. He writes about oh an opening, when 325 00:19:57.319 --> 00:20:02.000 somebody showed up and tripped over the red carpet, or 326 00:20:03.240 --> 00:20:07.680 all those stories that necessarily don't put somebody in the 327 00:20:07.720 --> 00:20:12.400 best light, but you do the other end as well. 328 00:20:12.920 --> 00:20:18.319 You compliment when a compliment is too right, William. 329 00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:20.559 Well, yes, and I guess I should clarify. I've really 330 00:20:20.599 --> 00:20:24.599 been thinking about that that I call her Joe, and 331 00:20:24.799 --> 00:20:27.279 I want to make sure that people understand that I'm 332 00:20:27.319 --> 00:20:31.079 not bragging about these stories that I did. I'm a 333 00:20:31.240 --> 00:20:34.799 changed man. I'm telling stories about things I did in 334 00:20:34.839 --> 00:20:37.200 my foolish youth when I worked for the Inquirer and 335 00:20:37.480 --> 00:20:41.240 when I made mistakes. I've interviewed tons of celebrities and 336 00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:44.319 the interviews have gone really, really, really well. But for 337 00:20:44.640 --> 00:20:47.160 whatever reason, I found out the stories that people really 338 00:20:47.160 --> 00:20:49.480 wanted to hear about were the stories that didn't go well. 339 00:20:50.119 --> 00:20:52.440 And we were talking about Lucy. You know, Lucy wanted 340 00:20:52.440 --> 00:20:55.279 to meet all of her favorite stars, but in doing so, 341 00:20:55.519 --> 00:20:59.000 she often got in deep water. She got in trouble, 342 00:20:59.240 --> 00:21:02.240 and so did I. So all these years later, I'm 343 00:21:02.240 --> 00:21:06.319 not digging up the celebrities dirt. I'm telling my own secrets, 344 00:21:06.359 --> 00:21:09.640 confessing my own sins in my attempt to be a 345 00:21:09.640 --> 00:21:12.559 different man, and I talked about lessons learned, and I 346 00:21:12.599 --> 00:21:16.519 also apologize to these celebrities. And many of them have 347 00:21:16.599 --> 00:21:21.839 written essays in my book talking about their version of events. 348 00:21:21.880 --> 00:21:25.359 For instance, I crashed Melissa Gilbert's wedding to Little House 349 00:21:25.400 --> 00:21:27.880 in the Prairie. In the year since that, Melissa and 350 00:21:27.920 --> 00:21:31.000 I have become friends, and Melissa wrote a lovely one 351 00:21:31.039 --> 00:21:35.240 page essay in my book. Bruce Willis was a celebrity 352 00:21:35.240 --> 00:21:41.240 who threatened to burn my house down. It happened. Bruce 353 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:44.200 sadly is not in a place to speak anymore. He's 354 00:21:44.240 --> 00:21:47.759 not verbal. I got his Moonlighting co star Sybil Shepherd 355 00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:50.920 to speak on his behalf, and she wrote a lovely essay. 356 00:21:51.000 --> 00:21:54.640 So I'm not doing the bad things anymore. I'm trying 357 00:21:54.680 --> 00:21:56.880 to turn a new page, a new leader. 358 00:21:57.000 --> 00:22:00.839 It's funny you mentioned little House, because next Hour I've 359 00:22:00.920 --> 00:22:05.319 got the Brady girl we all love to hate, portrayed 360 00:22:05.319 --> 00:22:08.480 by Alison Ingram. She will be on Next Hour. 361 00:22:09.839 --> 00:22:14.680 Yes, yes, yes, you can tell her. Hi from William Tech. 362 00:22:14.759 --> 00:22:18.319 I was on her show and she was one of 363 00:22:18.319 --> 00:22:22.160 the stars that I stepped on, and when I did 364 00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:25.519 her talk show, she forgave me for the first time 365 00:22:25.559 --> 00:22:28.240 in year. So that's a perfect example of how I'm 366 00:22:28.240 --> 00:22:31.160 going back and making amends to these celebrities I wrong 367 00:22:31.279 --> 00:22:31.839 back in the day. 368 00:22:31.880 --> 00:22:35.279 I will do that immediately once she and I are coreected. 369 00:22:35.720 --> 00:22:38.559 Please let's take this call. Who's been holding for about 370 00:22:38.559 --> 00:22:43.640 thirteen minutes, Gary in New Jersey, Welcome to inside. 371 00:22:44.559 --> 00:22:45.440 Hey good show. 372 00:22:45.599 --> 00:22:49.880 Look, I had a question though the movie Sweet Swell, 373 00:22:50.559 --> 00:22:56.119 Sweet Smell of Success with Bert Lancaster and Tony Curtis. 374 00:22:56.359 --> 00:23:00.680 How close was that to you know, walk the Waingshill 375 00:23:01.279 --> 00:23:03.400 and a couple of the others, Because I remember as 376 00:23:03.440 --> 00:23:05.960 a boy there was a guy who used to write 377 00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:09.160 to the New York Post Earl Wilson, I believe that 378 00:23:09.319 --> 00:23:12.160 was his name. And if that guy said you had 379 00:23:12.200 --> 00:23:14.039 a good restaurant. 380 00:23:15.559 --> 00:23:17.240 It could make your business. 381 00:23:17.480 --> 00:23:19.920 If he said it wasn't too good, you might as 382 00:23:19.960 --> 00:23:23.160 well close the ada business sign on it. And I'm 383 00:23:23.240 --> 00:23:25.480 just wondering, how close do you think all of that 384 00:23:25.799 --> 00:23:30.079 power and the personalities were for what was you know, 385 00:23:30.759 --> 00:23:32.000 going on at that time? 386 00:23:32.119 --> 00:23:34.000 All right, let's hell what William has to say about 387 00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:36.279 that movie versus real life William. 388 00:23:36.359 --> 00:23:38.359 Well, yeah, I mean what I'll say to that is 389 00:23:38.359 --> 00:23:44.119 is that folks like Walter Winchell, Lluella Parsons, they knew 390 00:23:44.319 --> 00:23:48.640 all the secrets and celebrities were terrified about them. They 391 00:23:48.680 --> 00:23:53.039 could literally make and break careers. These people were invited 392 00:23:53.039 --> 00:23:55.680 to parties because the celebrities wanted to get on their 393 00:23:55.680 --> 00:24:00.160 good side, because they knew that with one article they 394 00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:05.119 could be done. They knew about Loretta Young's secret baby 395 00:24:05.160 --> 00:24:07.839 that she had that she ended up adopting and claiming 396 00:24:07.880 --> 00:24:09.480 that it was an adopted child, even though it was 397 00:24:09.519 --> 00:24:13.240 her own. So the difference is when I was working 398 00:24:13.279 --> 00:24:18.400 for the Inquirer, the celebrities were still terrified about being 399 00:24:18.440 --> 00:24:22.839 an inquirer. But instead of the studio system which sort 400 00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:27.559 of protected celebrities, the celebrities themselves got publicists, and the 401 00:24:27.599 --> 00:24:31.000