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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis your host,

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and we have my old buddy Dean Alioto on tonight.

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It's always fun to have on. He's going to be

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talking about his film. And before that, I have Samantha

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Graves coming on and she has a project in the Berkshares.

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And if you have not seen the Netflix the Berkshiars

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UFO segment, it's featured. I think it's episode five, volume one,

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Unsolved Mysteries on the reboot. You got to check that

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out if you have not seen it. She is working

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with people in that area. Now. Our blog this week

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by Charles Lear is a boy hit with a paralyzing

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beam of light. Now. That happened down in mass Choose

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where there's a famous it's a concert area there, Great Woods.

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We used to be there in that area. That happened

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in nineteen eighty. It's quite a bizarre case and worth

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checking out on our blog podcastufo dot com and anyone

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All you have to do is show up live or

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there's Facebook, Twitter, places like that. We do a live

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show also. We have a show coming up. Mark d'

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antonio and I are back here Thursday evening at eight

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pm Eastern, and we're going to be talking about the

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latest UFO file release that happened on July tenth, and

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we're going to go through that, just the highlights and

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some of the weirder things that people are talking about.

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And yeah, it's been interesting times, I think, and we'll

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see how all these things go in the future, but

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for now, I'm bringing in my guests. Samantha, welcome.

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Speaker 2: Hi, thank you Martin. It's good to be here.

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Speaker 1: So good to have you back again. So do you

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want to talk a little bit about the project that

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you're doing. I did put the I know you gave

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me a graphic. Here's here is basically the graphic. Go ahead,

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and if you would explain what you have been working on.

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Speaker 2: Yes, right now, we have a questionnaire that's live. And

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I know that you and I have talked in the

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past about the Berkshire UFO event. The event itself that's

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most notably talked about is the September first, nineteen sixty

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nine event, in which people from multiple states but largely

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in southern Massachusetts or western Massachusetts rather spotted a craft

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in the air. There were multiple abductions reported that evening,

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including abductions of entire families. So it's a very unique event.

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But in talking with some of the people, I found

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out that there's a lot more to the story and

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a lot more that happened, both before nineteen sixty nine

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and following. We've talked in the past about the five

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crop formations that have been found where the highest number

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of abductions occurred. Those abductions generally were concentrated in the Sheffield,

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Great Barrington and Egremont areas. Because the scope of these

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stories is larger than what can be represented in a

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podcast or on a documentary, A few of the abductees

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and myself got together and we decided, let's come up

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with a series of quantitative and qualitative questions that can

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get at the heart of what's maybe happening. So we

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wanted to tease out via a large data set, some

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details that might be compelling. The thing with ufology, and

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again I'm not from this world, I'm a historian. So

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the thing with uthology that I find is that there

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are a lot of stories that are told, and stories

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are very useful and important, But what I think needs

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to happen more often, And there are great data sets

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out there, but I think what needs to happen more

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often is when you have a high concentration of these

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reports in an area, collecting that data and collecting all

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of it from the blood type of the individuals that

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are involved. What happened twelve hours prior to the event,

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what happens twelve hours after the event? Is there any

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kind of noticeable weather happening at the time, aspects to

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the story that maybe are overlooked when someone's interviewed for

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a podcast or a documentary. So that's what I'm working with.

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Melanie Kirchendorf, who was featured in the Netflix documentary.

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Speaker 1: Yes, very nice lady, very nicely.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, along with Wendy and Merrill who's also helping out.

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Speaker 1: So let me just ask you before you go here.

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I have talked to other people that have done surveys,

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and a lot of times there's commonalities. Are you finding

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that already?

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Speaker 2: Yes, so one of the big things something that I'm noticing.

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data set, but we're already seeing a correlation between I

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shouldn't use that word, but we're seeing a connection possibly

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between siblings. So when one sibling is abducted and another

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sibling is also taken, they're generally within a twenty four

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month age difference. Sorry about my dog, I hope you

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Speaker 1: That's all right.

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Speaker 2: So that and they share a blood type, they're also

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the same gender. Now, again I have a very small

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sampling right now. So what I'm hoping to do through

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the questionnaire is to gather information from individuals in the

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Berkshire area in the western Massachusetts area who have either

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had a CE two or a CE three close encounter event.

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C In cases of CE two, whether an individual has

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seen and had seen an object and maybe there's an

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maybe a burn mark on the individual, but they don't

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see a being. And then the close encounter of the

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third kind is where they actually interact or see a being,

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a robotic figure, some kind of entity. And so those

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are the individuals we're hoping to find, and again it

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doesn't have to be related to the nineteen sixty nine event.

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nineteen eighties. So it was really curious to me that

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your blog is featuring that this week. There's an individual

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who was affected in the early nineteen eighties and Egremont,

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and so we're following some physical evidence of that case

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and it's very exciting. But yes, there's a lot out there.

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you and I both know talking with authorities in that area.

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experiences themselves. So I think it's definitely an area of

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high concentration that we want to pay attention to. But

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to do it scientifically, we have to do it correctly,

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and that means we have to correct or we have

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to connect the data and make sure that the data

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set is large enough so that we can correlate, make sibility,

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tease out some kind of explanation.

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Speaker 1: I know they're not going to abduct that dog he's behaving.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that they talked about in commonalities

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or someone was trying to, I don't know, maybe push

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the agenda of the possibility of RH negative blood type.

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in any research? Can you even mention that if.

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Speaker 2: The articles about it? But no, not in my research.

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The only reason I even found out about the RH

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negative blood type was that I saw that the siblings

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Speaker 1: Okay, So just if you would, how can someone if

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someone is listening to this and watching it later or

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listening later, how can they get a hold of you

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and participate?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely? I'm hoping you put a link in the description,

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will okay, fantastic, And so if they click that link,

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it'll open to the form. They can sit their experience

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they wish. The first five questions are basically trying to

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figure out how they want their information presented. In the end,

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this information is not going I'm not writing a book,

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the information so that researchers have access to it. So

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so click the link, fill out the form, and then

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my email is at the bottom. If there are photographs, drawings,

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anything they want to include as well, we can collect

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Speaker 1: Okay, sounds wonderful, So thanks so much. And yes, if

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anyone listening to the show or watching the show, all

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and that link will be there. Thanks so much, Samantha,

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always nice to talk to you.

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Speaker 2: You as well.

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Speaker 1: Take care, Martin, all right, you too, take care and

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Dean welcome Dean.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I'm a little disappointed. I want to hear more

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of Samantha, and I definitely want to hear more from

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her dog.

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Speaker 1: Something being imparted.

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Speaker 3: I'm running through a filter right now, but I think

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that the dog was trying to say something.

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Speaker 1: There was some type of yeah, we'll check the algorithms

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and the vibrations and stuff. There's something being said there.

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I think you're right. Yeah, as you can tell everyone

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if you haven't seen Dean before. He's a lot of fun.

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Always fun to have you here. And I think it

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was just what three four weeks ago we were out

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in California, was it? I don't know, time's flying?

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Speaker 3: You have missing time? My friend?

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Speaker 1: I think I do. Yeah, May eighth through the third Yeah, yeah,

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but fun times. I always loved doing that. Always a

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lot of fun. Yeah. Great, And I would have to

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say a lot of people that I talked to just

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in the hallways and everywhere else loved your movie, and

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myself too. I thought you did a wonderful job. This

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is a long time listening. Mary Grace Kirby, thank you

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for saying hi to both of us, and thank you

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all over in the chat for being here and participating.

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I appreciate it. And also, if anyone wants to questions

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in caps, that would be good. So, Dean, we're going

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this topic, was the experiencer part a little tricky for

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you to ooh, maybe that's a bridge too far or

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something like that, or did you right away embrace that

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to look at this as a science based thing and

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be agnostic and present it as a menu to the

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audience so they can decide, oh, this resonates with me.

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a matrix, if you will. And the challenge was to

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that because there was too much meat leading up to it,

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and to take not just the UFO community who could

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handle it, but to take the general public that needs

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to understand this. Right. We want to get the UFO

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to have those be where we go from NASA very

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that where these beings coming from? And then the second

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the new one, the Experiencer's Full Disclosure, And the reason

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there are new experiencers, and so the idea that the

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experiencers that it isn't happening or as much is wrong.

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sisters are in their twenties. So I took the approach

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that James Fox did with the phenomenon, and I had

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which is he was kind of doing the Encyclopedia Britannica

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of the highlights of UFO cases. So anytime I want

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to do the same thing. And it took me eight

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to be able to say, all right, we are going

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but we're going to animate as an example of where

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we tried to update things. We're going to give you

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some new information on it, but we're also going to

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take the regression tapes, play it for you and have

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animation over it. That's exactly what the car looked like,

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exactly what the beans, et cetera. And so we walked

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through a lot of these cases, Travis Walton, et cetera.

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these sisters, and so it just became a so much

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more beefier thing that that had opened up a whole

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Speaker 1: So that's how I was actually with you all along

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the way here, and we were talking about different things

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that I remember your struggles and whether you're going to

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break this off at one point. I remember the whole

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thing all the way through. And I have to tell

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you this praise that I have actually given you that

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you never knew of. But the number of times I

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have talked on this very show about how impressed I was.

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we followed that all the way through that movie, and

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that the very end he finds out they're just earthly

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materials and he said, as that science. And I thought, bravo,

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bravo for not trying to make it some big splash,

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or not even putting in or editing it out or

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making it sound like it's something anyway. That's that's Kudosio

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for doing it in that way, because thank you. That's

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very respectful. And I think a lot of filmmakers would

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have a hard time putting the hard answer to something

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like that in a film, because everyone wants sensationalism mostly.

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I want to follow the protocols that would be done,

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and instead of having someone who might be at a

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nice college, a reputable college, but doesn't specifically work in

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extraterrestrial metals, which is someone who studies meteorites and comments,

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I'm going to go and get that person who does that,

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and I'm going to go direct to that person and say,

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all right, you're the pioneer in this field. And that

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happened to be Francois, who was over at in Caltech,

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which is the mothership the material analysis, and so whatever

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happened was going to be what it was. And when

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he would accept whatever the results were going to be.

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Speaker 1: Now that's real science, that'sural science.

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Speaker 3: And he says that, and for me, it was that's okay,

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can move on. But I wanted to show in real

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time us doing this and I had no idea zero.

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same time that Kevin got it all on camera. So

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that's a genuine moment. There is one little caveat which

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is if Michael, doctor Michael Masters extra trempestrial theory is

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correct that there are us from the future, then one

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could argue that this makes total sense that the material

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would be terrestrial. But it didn't show any signs of

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design that were futuristic design. But again it's at the

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end of the day, the bigger messages that we keep

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looking and we keep analyzing this stuff, and we sharpen

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our tools.

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Speaker 1: And I've written this by Mike for that, what if

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we completely wipe ourselves out, which very possible and something

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else comes up and that is what is coming back

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to see us. I mean, yeah, but anyway, that's just

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the thought and I want to put up. We have

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our first question here from Bob Blazar. Yes, do you

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actually think the Hollywood Disclosure Alliance is pushing us closer

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to disclosure or do the viewing public largely ignore anything

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coming out of Hollywood?

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Speaker 3: Huh? I don't think so. I don't not that. I

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don't think that the Hollywood Disclosure Alliance group is ineffective.

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It's just ultimately it's going to be a combination of

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all the above. It's going to be the politicians going

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to behind it. Ultimately they're the ones that are the gatekeepers.

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So the Alliance group is just to in my understanding,

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that they're just trying to create awareness and get this going,

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which is great. It's another steak in the fire, if

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you will. I think that the politicians, I think they're

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the ones that are now in charge and pushing it

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and getting the disclosure like we haven't seen before and

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so too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, I'm kind of a little bit excited about

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it because I think you and I have had a

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discussion along the way this is just going to die out.

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This is back in twenty twenty three after David Grush

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had his hearing there, and I think you and I

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had a discussion. We've seen this before. The people are

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going to lose interest and they're going to just tickle

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it along until everyone kind of falls asleep and looks

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out for something else. But I feel it's different. I

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do feel it's different.

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Speaker 3: I know it is different, and it's you'll see in

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the trailer that we're we've seen the nuts and balts

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and we can continue with that. But what I've been

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saying since twenty eighteen is can we talk about what's

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down the hall and the Someone could do a supercuts

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of what I've been saying. But the hearings have been

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the yelep and tail, but no one wants talk about

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the elephant in the room. And now we're going there

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the Hollywood Forum or excuse me, the disclosure form that

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happened a few weeks ago. That was monumental because you

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had Matthew Brown coming out and talking about the experiencers,

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and you have Willie Strieber who spoke briefly but eloquently

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about the experiencers and it's time for them to have

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their day in the sun. And so the timing of

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all that with the new film was and I think

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things happened for a reason. I think timing. I've seen

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some of the comments where they say, huh, you have

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Disclosure Day and they have the experiencers full disclosure had

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that come about, And I'm like, yeah, it doesn't quite

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work that way. The universe might work that way, but

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as a filmmaker, I wanted to be done with this

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four years ago, and so literally it just ended up

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being there. But the good news is that as far

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as what it's done for us is we've been called

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the real life Disclosure Day, and some of the things

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that people wanted in Disclosure Day are in our film,

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just by the nature of the word experiencers, which for

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the first time in a Hollywood film, in Spielberg's Disclosure

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Day was mentioned twenty minutes in and then sixty three

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minutes in. That's amazing. That's now part of the vernacular.

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And things happen for a reason.

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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, let's get this trailer up and going

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right here.

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Speaker 2: You will, like the anxious or distress, I can remember

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everything and you will tell me everything. I just thought

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it was a dream, didn't really think anything of it.

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But apparently it's not common to have identical dreams with siblings.

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Speaker 3: They took us, and they hurt us.

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Speaker 1: It's not easy to talk about. That was the greatest fear.

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Speaker 3: I've ever experienced. What do you remember from that moment on?

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When I regained consciousness, I didn't know where I was.

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I felt like I was dying. There's something profoundly important

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going on here. I've never seen anything like this before.

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I find them compelling, and I find them believable. They

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seem to pick people who are particularly strong, stable, open minded.

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I'm an experiencer.

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Speaker 1: I'm an experiencer, I had experiences. What has happened to

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these people is what they say has happened to them,

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even though I fully recognize that's not possible in the

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worldview in which they and I were raised.

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Speaker 3: For a long time, I was very dismissive of abductees,

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which is a weird thing to not believe when I

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believe UFOs are real. We don't know what happened to us,

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and it.

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Speaker 1: Goes beyond what we know or don't know about them. Yeah,

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I think we have an even stress a surface in

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all science fiction of what aliens could be like theater,

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What have any blinking life? That's the show. That's the show.

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Why are these alien beings abducting people?

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Speaker 3: It wants to be seen. It wants us to be

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aware of it.

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Speaker 1: UFOs and aliens, so they maybe be us in the future.

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Speaker 3: Time trial, inter dimensional watching, lurking stalking be very.

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Speaker 2: Simple to eliminate us.

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Speaker 3: The entire universe has some kind of intelligence to it.

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Speaker 1: What can we learn through the lens of science.

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Speaker 3: And all the mysteries that surrounded.

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Speaker 1: Say, you don't have any reasons to see your fra you. Wow,

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That's what I have to say about that. Wow, very powerful.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I know you put your heart and soul.

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I've been We've hung out at your place and your

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beautiful equipment that you have to work with. How many

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hours would you want to guess that particular film had

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Could you even clock that?

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Speaker 3: Oh man, more than the others? I will tell you

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that I there's something about these documentaries that are different

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than the independent films that I do. What I mean

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by that is there's a discovery that happens in the

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editing that's separate because you go out and you shoot

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these interviews, and we did sixty seven interviews five countries,

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and you got your basic questions that you want to

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try to answer. But when you start to put it

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all together, you have to do a beginning, middle, and

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an end right. But if you do that, then it

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becomes very linear, and you're focusing on action beats and

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you're not focusing on the spiritual journey that this phenomenon

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takes one on. And the an example of that a

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weird high strangeness that happened for me while I was

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doing this. And I again let me just preface this

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by saying, I'm not an experiencer. I don't think I've

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ever seen a UFO, but there is something that's been

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driving me that gets my ass up at three am

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sometimes to work on this project. But the weirdest thing

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is I had issues with eye lid fluttering, and my

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girlfriend Ali could see it on the other side of

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the room. She could see it back here and my

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office is over there, and she could see me my

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eyelid's fluttering every time I sat down to edit the movie.

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And so it was this weird thing that I've never

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experienced on any of the other scripted fiction films. So

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there was some energy that was coming. And at some

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point I did talk to Tivon Smith about it and

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I said, look, I don't know what's going on here,

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but at some point I got to get back to

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doing my indie films science fiction, horror, supernatural, et cetera.

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And I said, I just don't know what's going on

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because I not an experience that I'm aware of. And

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she said, Dean, they don't have to knock on your

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door to get to you. And so that was very sobering.

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And so I just basically learned to climb in the

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backseat and shut the hell up and let the muses

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take this project. And it took them a long time

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to or maybe if I wasn't as quick on the draw,

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to do it in a year. But it took a

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long time gestation, trying things, breaking it down, going again.

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At one point I brought in when I thought I

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had everything locked, I brought in Davis Koom.

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Speaker 1: So.

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Speaker 3: Davis is a badass editor. He won the Emmy for

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co writing and editing Netflix's Social Dilemma. He's got a

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new out that he edited called The AI Doc, which

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is finalal that's a great one.

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Speaker 1: I saw that, Yes, amazing, and so.

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Speaker 3: He came and he went through and helped me make

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sure that it wasn't too much in the UFO stuff,

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that it was supporting evidence. So it felt like I

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I didn't have an agenda. I wanted it to be

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a genderist and so you would that's not even a word.

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But sure, let's go with it and have it be

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something where the audience can go, oh my god, I

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didn't know about this, and I didn't know these things,

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and there'd be mic drops for people who are in

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the UFO community, but also for the public at large

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where they could take this in and go, oh my god,

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this is what this is about, and this is why

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they might be swinging by here we might have video

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of these craft. They're not just swinging by to hit

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in and out. They're swinging by for some operations, some

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purpose that is either to help them or it's to

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help us, and we get into that in the documentary

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Speaker 1: Here's just a comment here for you. Great documentary. Walked

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with some friends that weren't really into the subject, but

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in the by the end, they're all believers that you'd

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like to hear stuff like that, and it's yeah, it's

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good that you can have an open mind. That's when

478
00:25:58,319 --> 00:26:03,839
I very first started doing this show in twenty eleven.

479
00:26:04,519 --> 00:26:08,079
I just thought I just couldn't go that way. I

480
00:26:08,279 --> 00:26:10,039
was saying I was going to be a strict nuts

481
00:26:10,079 --> 00:26:13,960
and bolts type of guy, because I think I know

482
00:26:14,079 --> 00:26:15,680
what I saw. I know what I saw was not

483
00:26:16,759 --> 00:26:20,079
something that you would see us flying at that time,

484
00:26:20,839 --> 00:26:24,519
not now either, but still I just didn't think I

485
00:26:24,519 --> 00:26:26,960
would just I couldn't do it. I tried. I went

486
00:26:27,039 --> 00:26:29,960
to a thing that was called Experience to Speak in Maine.

487
00:26:30,599 --> 00:26:34,680
I think it was in two thousand and twelve. I

488
00:26:34,759 --> 00:26:37,720
still wasn't I was trying, and then I went the

489
00:26:37,839 --> 00:26:40,039
next year when they had it, and I sat and

490
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,519
talked to Travis Walton. And I was in twenty thirteen

491
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,519
when I met him the first time, and we sat

492
00:26:48,839 --> 00:26:51,480
just chit chatting about he let me interview him, but

493
00:26:51,559 --> 00:26:56,240
also chit chatting about other things, and I'm thinking, Wow,

494
00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,279
he's a very bright guy and nice guy, and I

495
00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:03,640
just felt like he was authentic. And that's it. Took

496
00:27:03,839 --> 00:27:06,880
a little while, is what I'm getting at before and

497
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,839
then really look at it logically, they wouldn't just be

498
00:27:12,559 --> 00:27:16,480
zooming over and taking pictures. You know, you would think

499
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,319
there would be animals being brought in and studied and

500
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,839
not just people. So anyway, I think it just took

501
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,039
me a while to open my mind up. It's still

502
00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:29,240
a little hard for me because what's difficult for me

503
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,480
is that I just I don't know how these people

504
00:27:31,559 --> 00:27:35,200
can even function in a daily life. If that was

505
00:27:35,279 --> 00:27:37,319
in my world, I just I would want to be

506
00:27:37,599 --> 00:27:41,119
in a fetal position under a bunch of blankets somewhere

507
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:41,680
in a corner.

508
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

509
00:27:42,799 --> 00:27:46,559
Speaker 3: I've been to several experiences of support groups, group meetings.

510
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,119
In fact, I'm going to want in a week or

511
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,920
two again, and ause I always want to check in

512
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,319
and make sure that I'm representing the experiences and making

513
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,680
sure they're heard in the correct way and focusing on

514
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,039
the correct things because they're the ones that are going

515
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,839
through this and have been going through it, and in

516
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,920
some ways, I think they're the ones that are taking

517
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,160
it for the team, if you will. And it's really

518
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,680
funny because we end up talking to people like government

519
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,240
officials and ex military but it's kind of like asking

520
00:28:16,279 --> 00:28:18,960
the generals of D Day. So what was it like

521
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:24,839
strman Normandy, I'm no wrong. I'm going to go to

522
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,319
the boots on the ground, troops who were there, who

523
00:28:28,319 --> 00:28:31,319
are maybe wounded but survive. I want to know what

524
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,519
it was like for those guys. And so that's the

525
00:28:33,599 --> 00:28:35,880
whole purpose of this documentary is to take these people

526
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,480
and say, Okay, what's going on? What is this about?

527
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,319
And what is it about for you? And I always

528
00:28:41,359 --> 00:28:43,440
use the analogy that people go, I'd like to see

529
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,240
an alien. Really you want to see an alien? Okay,

530
00:28:47,519 --> 00:28:50,119
let's walk through what that would be like. And I

531
00:28:50,279 --> 00:28:52,160
use the analogy. And you've heard me say sorry for

532
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,200
if people have heard this before, So I'll make it fast.

533
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,440
Let's make it a comfortable situation where you're on your

534
00:28:57,599 --> 00:28:59,400
deck and you're reading a book and it's in the

535
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,240
middle of the day, and you got your umbrella overhead

536
00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:04,519
so you're not getting sunburned because the ozone isn't what

537
00:29:04,599 --> 00:29:07,400
it used to be. And then you hear a noise

538
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,480
and you look over at the end of the deck

539
00:29:09,599 --> 00:29:13,599
and you see this chimpanzee poke its head out and

540
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,839
it looks at you for a little bit and then

541
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:20,240
it ducks back and you're in shock, but you get up,

542
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,599
and you walk over and you take a look and

543
00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:26,240
nothing's there around the corner. How much is that going

544
00:29:26,319 --> 00:29:28,000
to jack you up for the rest of your life

545
00:29:28,359 --> 00:29:31,039
where you're going to be going, I think I saw

546
00:29:31,119 --> 00:29:34,519
this thing. No, no, and you're going to totally rewrite

547
00:29:34,519 --> 00:29:36,240
it and try to create new grooves in your brain

548
00:29:36,319 --> 00:29:38,799
that didn't exist because it's just too much to deal with. Now.

549
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,799
Imagine looking over and not seeing a chimpanzee, but seeing

550
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,559
an Nhi, a gray being as an example, and then

551
00:29:46,599 --> 00:29:50,680
it ducks its head back around. It's as John Mack says,

552
00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:55,079
it's an ontological shock that is earth shattering that causes

553
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,119
for many PTSD and I never make light of it.

554
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,400
I look at that, and I say, and you'll see.

555
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,799
Towards the end of the Dock, the main theme of

556
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,920
the Dock, One of the main themes is empathy for

557
00:30:08,079 --> 00:30:10,720
these experiencers, because you wouldn't make fun of someone that

558
00:30:10,839 --> 00:30:14,839
had been abducted and taken in a van if you will,

559
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,480
by a human and say, oh, really, when you were

560
00:30:17,519 --> 00:30:19,880
in there where they're wearing ski masks, were they doing

561
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,759
this and that? But we have no problem doing that,

562
00:30:22,319 --> 00:30:24,559
or have had no problem doing that in the past

563
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,920
and cueing the X Files music. So that's changing. And

564
00:30:28,279 --> 00:30:30,359
you've got Goldie Han who came out on I think

565
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,480
was Jimmy Kimmel, one of the Jimmy Fallons came out

566
00:30:33,759 --> 00:30:36,960
and said she was an experiencer and mentioned that she's

567
00:30:37,079 --> 00:30:40,599
had interactions with them. And people forget about this, But

568
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,200
there was a roper report that was done in nineteen

569
00:30:43,279 --> 00:30:49,240
ninety two and they asked five questions and they took

570
00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:54,000
the numbers and got the answers and saw that several

571
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:59,480
of the people they interviewed, one in fifty had several

572
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,720
of the items, whether it was sleep paralysis that came

573
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,079
with a presence, feeling, the presence in the room, are

574
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:11,079
with scars, missing time, et cetera. One fifty. So if

575
00:31:11,119 --> 00:31:14,039
you take that and you multiply it, that means that

576
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:19,000
three point seven million people potentially could be experiences on

577
00:31:19,119 --> 00:31:25,000
this planet. So that's staggering. And I just feel like

578
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,799
whatever is happening, and whether you're chosen or whether it's

579
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,039
because of as John Max says, dual alien identity, that

580
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:33,880
this might have been something that you agreed to do

581
00:31:34,039 --> 00:31:39,319
before you incarnated is unknown, But this is happening for

582
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,400
a reason. And it has been happening for a very

583
00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:41,960
long time.

584
00:31:43,839 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: One of the things I always think of is if

585
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,240
there's so much life out there, which we think there is,

586
00:31:49,359 --> 00:31:52,519
but we don't have proof, but it just seems would

587
00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:56,400
make sense that the universe would be just teeming with life.

588
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,400
And is this done at every stop along the way?

589
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,680
We can't be we just special in some type of way.

590
00:32:05,839 --> 00:32:09,960
Why would they be bothering with us? If the universe

591
00:32:10,039 --> 00:32:11,799
is teeming with life? Why?

592
00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:16,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, why would we bother studying ants? There's a profession

593
00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:21,640
that's called entomology. They study ants, So someone's going to

594
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,279
find it interesting. The one thing that we all share

595
00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:26,240
in common. And Dave Folly and I talk about this

596
00:32:26,319 --> 00:32:29,200
a lot. We're in direct agreement with this, which is

597
00:32:29,599 --> 00:32:33,799
intelligent life comes with curiosity. So why wouldn't they be

598
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,319
curious to see where we are in our development and

599
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,000
not to make it about our perspective or how we

600
00:32:40,279 --> 00:32:43,319
would do this, because we ultimately are going to do that.

601
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,559
Wouldn't we do that? If there was another species, wouldn't

602
00:32:46,559 --> 00:32:49,319
we go out and check it out? And we're a

603
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,240
dangerous species still because we're very animalistic, and so the

604
00:32:53,319 --> 00:32:57,440
way that that these beings. The nhis have conducted some

605
00:32:57,599 --> 00:33:00,480
of their experiments and stuff and research and doing with

606
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,079
us is to immobilize us like we would do with

607
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:08,039
a bear, and to tag us, which we talk about

608
00:33:08,079 --> 00:33:11,960
the implants and so that would be something that you

609
00:33:12,039 --> 00:33:15,359
can see. This is an extended version of that. And

610
00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:17,680
look at Travis Walton when he was on the craft right,

611
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,400
he wasn't They couldn't put him under through effectuating some

612
00:33:22,519 --> 00:33:24,839
form of mind control, and so he got up and

613
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,680
he grabbed a utensil that was on a train next

614
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,000
to and was swinging around. They were terrified of him.

615
00:33:29,799 --> 00:33:33,160
That's our natural reaction. One thing I want to I

616
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:37,279
do want to underscore is that not everyone is taken

617
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,400
and having experiments and the hybrid program that doesn't happen

618
00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:45,599
to everyone an equal amount or more. It is this

619
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:50,519
spiritual experience, this communion, if you will, And many times

620
00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:54,920
it might start out that way, meaning more operational, and

621
00:33:55,039 --> 00:33:58,000
then it becomes this thing what least Streeber talks about

622
00:33:58,039 --> 00:34:01,319
that that has ongoing relationships with them.

623
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,759
Speaker 1: Someone just corrected, do entomology is the study of insects

624
00:34:05,839 --> 00:34:09,880
really not just the ants. But yeah, you know, I

625
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:10,639
was also.

626
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 3: Talking about the entomology that not many people know about.

627
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:18,000
It's an offshoot of entomology no one's heard about. No, okay,

628
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:23,440
well no we can. I'm talking about the ultimate universe. Guys,

629
00:34:23,519 --> 00:34:27,159
come on, keep up. Thank you for the correction. My

630
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,840
dyslexia sometimes sneaks out, and that's fun.

631
00:34:31,079 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 1: That's fun. So yeah, I was. When I watched your

632
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,559
trailer just now, I was thinking when Dave Foley was

633
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,280
talking about how he thought about the I said, that's

634
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,519
exactly how I approached it. Just those words came out

635
00:34:43,559 --> 00:34:45,320
of my mouth when I first started the show, and

636
00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:49,239
he too, mentions in the trailer that or in your movie,

637
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,480
it's worth a look. And I love those clips of

638
00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:56,039
John mac I just he was gone before I even

639
00:34:56,079 --> 00:34:58,800
started my show. But when I look back at the

640
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,039
work that he did and how much he brought to this,

641
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,000
it should be nice if someone like him would come

642
00:35:05,039 --> 00:35:09,639
along and pick up the mantle and try to move

643
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,400
forward with the work he did with the credentials that

644
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,679
he has. We have Alvi Low but as a whole

645
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,320
different thing. But I'm talking about someone in the psychiatry world.

646
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,000
It would just be so important for someone to give

647
00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:27,280
more credibility to these people that are suffering. I love

648
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,320
the phrase that he makes that these people, I don't

649
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,679
I'm just paraphrasing, but these people are not delusional, They're

650
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,559
not crazy in any type of way, and they are

651
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,159
they I forget exactly what he says. You probably know

652
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,960
because you but it's something along those along that line.

653
00:35:43,039 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 3: He's basically saying that these are people who are usually

654
00:35:46,639 --> 00:35:51,360
above average open people who are experiencing these things. And

655
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,639
the toughest pill to swallow for us is that just

656
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,840
because it bucks convention with the reality that we deal

657
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:03,960
with on him, our usual basis to not have room

658
00:36:04,119 --> 00:36:07,599
for this high strangeness when you have data to back

659
00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:10,360
it up, and you have testimony and you have the

660
00:36:10,519 --> 00:36:13,440
things that nailed it for me was when there's a

661
00:36:13,519 --> 00:36:16,760
partner who's there in the bed next to you and

662
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,679
also is experiencing paralysis and sees many times the scenario

663
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,039
is that there's this white light that appears in the

664
00:36:24,119 --> 00:36:26,800
room and then you see your spouse or your partner

665
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,760
levitated brought out either sometimes it's with the beans or

666
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:35,360
sometimes it's just separate through a wall or through a window,

667
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,719
and they're witnessing all this and they just have that

668
00:36:38,039 --> 00:36:42,519
fragment of that memory, but there is a witness. It's

669
00:36:42,599 --> 00:36:46,480
corroborating evidence, if you will. And so getting back to John,

670
00:36:46,519 --> 00:36:49,719
Matt came at the time he needed to and he

671
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,159
needed to do the heavy lifting. He needed to come

672
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,599
out in the mid nineties and do this in order

673
00:36:56,679 --> 00:37:00,719
to shake things up. He was an earthquake in the

674
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,880
reality that we know. And so sometimes you want the

675
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,639
biggest guns, if you will, hate to use weapons, guns

676
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,280
blowing through the gates first. It makes it easier for

677
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,880
everyone else. And so John did that point. Yeah, And

678
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,639
the thing that's said is John didn't live long enough

679
00:37:18,679 --> 00:37:22,880
to see him be exonerated with the government coming out

680
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,280
and saying, yes, this is real. I mean, could you

681
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,119
imagine that today? But I feel like he did the

682
00:37:29,159 --> 00:37:31,880
heavy lifting for us. And so people like myself and

683
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:36,000
other documentary filmmakers that are out there and certainly experiencers

684
00:37:36,119 --> 00:37:41,239
like Karen Austen and others are keeping it, keeping the

685
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:41,920
torch alive.

686
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,199
Speaker 1: Who Karen is going to be supposedly on this show

687
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,079
within a few months, hopefully that'll happen. So here is

688
00:37:50,199 --> 00:37:54,280
another question post for you here, Dean. Do you know

689
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,280
a screenwriter Danny alex Are you familiar with that person.

690
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:04,480
Experienced screenwriter may someone to oh just to know you

691
00:38:04,599 --> 00:38:06,239
have to know who's talking about that person.

692
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,079
Speaker 3: Now, if I open my window right now and I

693
00:38:10,199 --> 00:38:12,840
grab this mug and I throw it, I'm going to

694
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,840
hit I'm going to hit three screenwriters. There's a lot

695
00:38:17,079 --> 00:38:21,920
of screenwriters there. I also have forty two screenplays that

696
00:38:22,039 --> 00:38:24,760
I've written, and a slate of films that I'm hoping

697
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,480
to do when I finish these documentaries that I'm doing,

698
00:38:28,119 --> 00:38:31,320
and the better sci fi related and genre related, et cetera.

699
00:38:31,679 --> 00:38:33,679
But yeah, I have more than enough to keep me

700
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,559
busy for this lifetime. But I'm glad there's other filmmakers

701
00:38:36,599 --> 00:38:37,280
out there doing this.

702
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is just a comment about Terry Lovelace's credible.

703
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,920
Remember he was in Attorney General. I reached out to Terry.

704
00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:47,679
I know that his health is not all that good,

705
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,360
but he does have quite an interesting story. I'm glad

706
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,960
you got him in your film. Yeah, good Man, that

707
00:38:55,079 --> 00:38:58,559
whole situation so bizarre. I don't know. We could just

708
00:38:58,679 --> 00:39:00,599
give a little bit of a teaser of Devil's Den,

709
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,199
do can you just give for the listener who is

710
00:39:03,519 --> 00:39:04,039
unaware of.

711
00:39:04,159 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 3: No and I wish you would bring that up, Martin. Okay,

712
00:39:09,639 --> 00:39:12,840
Devil's Den is a great case. Devil's Den is again

713
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,480
someone in the military sound familiar, who's out there with

714
00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:23,639
his buddy camping in Devil's Den, and he he wakes

715
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,559
up in the middle of the night and sees this

716
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,760
light above and before that they had seen a craft

717
00:39:31,079 --> 00:39:34,039
and sees what he thinks our children playing out in

718
00:39:34,119 --> 00:39:37,159
the meadow in front of them, and the person he's with,

719
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:43,280
as he calls Toby, says, those aren't children, and you

720
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:48,039
know what they did to us. And then the military

721
00:39:48,519 --> 00:39:52,000
goes ahead and interviews him after he wakes up from

722
00:39:52,039 --> 00:39:56,039
all that, and the military questioned the hell out of him,

723
00:39:56,039 --> 00:39:58,400
but what he sees, and they try to wipe out

724
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,719
his memory and through him no, but also through partial memory,

725
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,280
because not everyone has to go under hypnosis. We should

726
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,760
talk about that as well. He recalls being on a craft.

727
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,920
Not only that, he recalls being on a craft with

728
00:40:11,199 --> 00:40:16,400
military young military soldiers that are officers that are on

729
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,239
not officers but who knows what their ranking is, but

730
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,280
that are on the craft, the same craft, working in

731
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,400
concert with these gray beans, two sizes of the gray beans.

732
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,440
And it's interesting and he has his own theories on it,

733
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,679
and we get into that that they might not be

734
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,199
sentient beings. And so we bring this expert from Carnegie

735
00:40:34,199 --> 00:40:38,320
Melon that's never spoken in this field before, and he's

736
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:42,159
got his take on it, and yeah, it's a fantastic case.

737
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,679
And when he's got a little bit of evidence that

738
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,280
we also show in the documentary.

739
00:40:47,639 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 1: And that case in there. But one of the things

740
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:54,519
I thought of is how did these two sisters find

741
00:40:54,599 --> 00:40:56,880
you or did you find them? How did that all

742
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:57,440
come about?

743
00:40:58,599 --> 00:41:03,559
Speaker 3: So my assistant editor, Craig Jackson, who's also a music producer,

744
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:09,400
he was working on some tracks for this young female

745
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,400
artist and she said, hey, Craig, what's been going on

746
00:41:13,599 --> 00:41:16,480
at the beginning of their first one of the sessions

747
00:41:16,519 --> 00:41:19,000
that they were doing, And he said, Oh, I'm doing

748
00:41:19,039 --> 00:41:24,880
this documentary about those and stuff and experiencers. And she goes, oh,

749
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,199
that's weird. He goes, what do you mean. When I

750
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,159
was young, my sister and I shared the same dream

751
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,599
twice and we always thought that maybe it could be affiliated,

752
00:41:32,679 --> 00:41:34,199
but we don't know. We just know that we woke

753
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:35,559
up and we talked to each other and we had

754
00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:39,000
share it. Identical dreams twice, and so he calls me

755
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,840
and he says, hey, dude, I just heard this. What

756
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:44,440
do you think of this? And I go, hey, hold On.

757
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,239
So I call Evonne Smith and I go, Yvonne, I

758
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,760
just heard this, and she says, hey, that's a flag

759
00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:54,920
And I went wow, Okay, hold On went back called

760
00:41:55,039 --> 00:41:59,039
Craig and said, I want to talk to her. So Skyler,

761
00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:02,559
she's a musician, spoke with her and said, hey, would

762
00:42:02,559 --> 00:42:05,320
you be willing to go on camera and would you

763
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:11,000
be willing to do a regression hypnosis session? And I

764
00:42:11,039 --> 00:42:13,920
would want to do your sister as well, put her under.

765
00:42:14,079 --> 00:42:18,280
And her sister is in Chicago. Skyler is here locally

766
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:22,239
in Los Angeles, and her sister is a business exec.

767
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,840
We joke that they're the mullet. She's business up front

768
00:42:26,159 --> 00:42:29,639
and her younger sister's party in the back. So we

769
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,800
did two separate sessions, and they were forbidden to communicate

770
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,039
with each other, otherwise than the whole thing would have

771
00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:38,480
been contaminated and you never would have seen it in

772
00:42:38,519 --> 00:42:40,360
the show. And so we had certain safeguards to make

773
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,199
sure that happened. Anyway, they come out, and so each

774
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:48,559
of them went to the two different dreams. Skyler went

775
00:42:48,599 --> 00:42:50,559
to the first dream and her sister went to the

776
00:42:50,639 --> 00:42:54,880
second dream, and the overlap was insane. And so without

777
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,960
you know, giving too much away, it was not what

778
00:42:59,079 --> 00:43:01,599
we expected. And the thing I want to talk about

779
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,400
hypnosis because I know that I'll see comments sometimes when

780
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:08,840
people go, oh, that's just people influencing people and some

781
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,039
mild form of mind control. There's two types of hypnosis.

782
00:43:12,639 --> 00:43:14,840
And I was talking to Chris Ramsey about this. Chris

783
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,840
is done engaged in and we as well. We've talked

784
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,679
about the stage show hypnosis where you say to someone, hey,

785
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,840
forget the number four, Now count to five and I

786
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:29,719
go one, two, three, five, Is that right? And they're

787
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,679
able to do that and it's like with someone's clucking

788
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,960
like a chicken something like that, And there's a version

789
00:43:34,039 --> 00:43:38,360
of that. That's not what we do. We do basically meditation.

790
00:43:39,079 --> 00:43:44,239
We do a relaxation exercise where it's imagined somewhere that

791
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,280
you like. It makes you feel calm. Imagine walking down

792
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,320
into that place and so it's a relaxation technique and

793
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,360
then when you get there, then the only thing she

794
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,400
says is she says, let's go to that place that

795
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:58,280
you want to go to that time rather when you

796
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:03,079
were seven years old and you're in your bedroom in Elgin, Illinois.

797
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,480
Let's go there, what do you see? And then it's

798
00:44:06,559 --> 00:44:09,960
up to her. If she sees the light shining a

799
00:44:10,039 --> 00:44:12,519
light shine through, she doesn't say, oh, can you see

800
00:44:12,559 --> 00:44:15,559
the craft? She says, oh, do you know what's causing

801
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:20,440
the light? So all the questions are neutral in order

802
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:24,320
to hear what would come from her. So it's the

803
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,599
person that is I hate to say the word under

804
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,480
but I don't know what else to say, the person

805
00:44:29,519 --> 00:44:32,159
who's in that relaxed state. It's up to them. They're

806
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,480
the ones that are narrating this and so done properly,

807
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,199
this is completely a useful way to get someone to

808
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:43,719
be able to access the subconscious, not some fantasy world,

809
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,960
but the subconscious. And this is a technique that also

810
00:44:47,159 --> 00:44:50,960
that the police use when they're sometimes wanting to clear

811
00:44:51,039 --> 00:44:53,199
up things, will say would you be open to that?

812
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:54,760
And can you go back? And can you see the

813
00:44:54,840 --> 00:45:00,199
license plate? So it's very benign. It's very benign. So

814
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,840
but anyway, what came out of just that with both sisters,

815
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,280
that same technique was amazing and it's the reason why

816
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,920
it became not another episode of the alien perspective, but

817
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,480
became its own, so that in concert or in connection

818
00:45:16,679 --> 00:45:20,000
with looking at the classic abduction cases and what we

819
00:45:20,159 --> 00:45:23,400
learned from those, that became this meaty thing that was

820
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,880
it needed its own documentary and then some when you.

821
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 1: Completed the film, did you did you change any thinking

822
00:45:36,119 --> 00:45:38,400
after you got through this? Do you think that we

823
00:45:38,599 --> 00:45:44,000
really are being having an interaction with something we can't

824
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:47,480
explain at this point you convince that's happening? Did it

825
00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:48,519
change your perspective?

826
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 3: I always say, and this goes for UFOs as well.

827
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:59,639
I always say that I believe that UFOs UAPs, however

828
00:45:59,639 --> 00:46:02,519
you want to classify them, that those are real and

829
00:46:02,639 --> 00:46:05,480
that people are seeing them. I believe. I don't know,

830
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,880
because I haven't seen it. I hold up the same

831
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:14,360
belief system for experiencers. You cannot fake PTSD. And I

832
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,159
saw someone on some podcasts that you made a comment

833
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,559
that said, if you have a nightmare that can cause PTSD,

834
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,079
that's not accurate, that's not real. A nightmare isn't going

835
00:46:26,199 --> 00:46:32,840
to keep you up for weeks on end, terrorize you

836
00:46:33,199 --> 00:46:37,079
at night. Isn't going to be something that profoundly changes

837
00:46:37,159 --> 00:46:39,880
you and your relationships with those around your loved ones,

838
00:46:40,599 --> 00:46:43,320
the level of PTSD is equal. Here. Let me give

839
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:47,079
you an example. John Mack he did a test and

840
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:50,039
Karen was part of that test. And what they did

841
00:46:50,159 --> 00:46:52,039
is they had two groups, one where I believe there

842
00:46:52,039 --> 00:46:56,519
were Vietnam vets and the other group were experiencers, and

843
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:00,920
individually within those groups, he conducted with a belie it

844
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,679
was a cat scan. He scanned their brains to see

845
00:47:05,039 --> 00:47:09,480
the level of PTSD with the ex military the veterans,

846
00:47:10,039 --> 00:47:14,239
and then did the same thing with experiencers individually, and

847
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,320
it came out the same level of intensity.

848
00:47:17,079 --> 00:47:21,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I saw Huh, I think I saw that,

849
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,159
or I've read something about that. Yes, yeah, so it

850
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:25,719
makes sense.

851
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 3: So I believe that these are absolutely experiencing something. The

852
00:47:31,559 --> 00:47:37,719
only thing that is unknown is whether this is happening

853
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,599
just in the physical world or is it happening in

854
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:49,360
a celestial, mental world, dimensional world. Are these crafts, Are

855
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:54,320
these beings somehow traveling in the astroalplane. We don't know

856
00:47:54,519 --> 00:47:56,639
exactly what these things are. All we know is that

857
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,400
whether it's a mental thing or not, they are experiencing

858
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:05,760
these things because something is happening to them and it

859
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,840
seems like these beans have the ability in some cases

860
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,840
to stop time. It's the strangest thing. In fact, it

861
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:13,760
always makes sense of these crafts, the way that they

862
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,639
move from here to here, and then they'll make right

863
00:48:16,679 --> 00:48:19,960
hand turns. I think that they're relocating themselves, that they're

864
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,119
moving at a set speed. It seems that they're able

865
00:48:22,159 --> 00:48:24,239
to move at the speed and then they just change

866
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,760
space time. And if you talk to the students at

867
00:48:27,159 --> 00:48:30,039
aerial school lastly, you talk to them, they'll say that

868
00:48:30,159 --> 00:48:32,039
the beans when they came out, some of them said

869
00:48:32,199 --> 00:48:32,920
it was like they were.

870
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: Skipping, Yeah, skipping ahead of themselves.

871
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,039
Speaker 3: Being ahead of them. It's not literally skipping, but here

872
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,599
then here, And I agree with that totally.

873
00:48:41,679 --> 00:48:44,679
Speaker 1: I think there's definitely a time element in some type

874
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,719
of manipulation. It just seems to make sense in so

875
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,480
many ways. And I think there's a lot of people

876
00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:55,199
that share that view. So the experiences themselves do they

877
00:48:55,320 --> 00:49:01,599
struggle to interpret what is happening to them, whether it's physical, psychological, spiritual,

878
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,760
or something else that crosses other types of boundaries. How

879
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:09,239
is there? What are what do they perceive is happening

880
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:10,440
to themselves?

881
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 3: It's the five stages of grief that they appear to

882
00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:19,199
go through. I don't know anyone that has an interaction,

883
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,719
especially later on, because a lot of these people are

884
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:26,000
having these experiences experiences as children, and a lot of

885
00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:31,159
this is generational, but no one has said as an adult,

886
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:36,119
Like when Whitley Strieber, as an example, experiences something later

887
00:49:36,199 --> 00:49:40,599
on in life in his forties, thirties and forties, it

888
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,719
isn't this thing that he can fold into his life

889
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:51,679
right away. It is a major psychological reality adjustment that happens.

890
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:56,760
And so first there's the disbelief, which again is five

891
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,480
degrees of grief. I know that didn't happen, that person

892
00:49:59,559 --> 00:50:02,280
didn't die, or this thing didn't happen. And then it's

893
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,880
a slow realization. And so everyone's journey is different. Everyone's

894
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:10,239
journey takes its own has its own pace. And so

895
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,880
I really feel that that these people I will never

896
00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:16,440
lump them all in because I've learned being at these

897
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,159
experience or support group meanings that they're not all the same.

898
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:23,400
And then each of their experiences are individual and there's

899
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,159
high strangeness things that are different that relate to them

900
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,679
that are brought out when sometimes people talk about seeing

901
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:31,880
to cease loved ones on craft. Not everyone's going to

902
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,119
see that, and Jacques flat believes in that. John Keel,

903
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,320
Greg Bishop talks about that how each of these cases

904
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,760
and the great Earl Gray Anderson, who the film is

905
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:45,480
dedicated to, he said, I didn't. I don't trust cases,

906
00:50:45,639 --> 00:50:48,800
abduction cases, experience or cases unless it comes with some

907
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,280
level of strangeness that is an individual thing, that's you know,

908
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:58,280
that makes it unique, right, And so I yeah. And

909
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,719
in fact, when I went to my first experiences support group,

910
00:51:02,159 --> 00:51:05,760
I asked him. I said, I said, how many people

911
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:07,519
of you here? If you could go back in time

912
00:51:08,519 --> 00:51:13,760
and you could uncheck the alien abduction subscribe button, her

913
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,039
box would do that. And I said, just raise your hand.

914
00:51:17,079 --> 00:51:19,639
And I waited ten seconds, fifteen seconds. Not a single

915
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:20,559
hand went out.

916
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:24,039
Speaker 1: Unreal, really unreal. That's something else.

917
00:51:24,119 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 3: What does that say?

918
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:25,199
Speaker 2: Yeah?

919
00:51:26,559 --> 00:51:31,159
Speaker 1: And so being But I'm wondering if everyone was feeling comfortable,

920
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,920
if someone would answer honestly, I guess in a group

921
00:51:35,079 --> 00:51:35,719
like that, they would.

922
00:51:36,199 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 3: No. There was one person who disagreed with that, and

923
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:39,920
it was the first time he had ever been there,

924
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,280
and he was a major in the army and he

925
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,719
was about six or four, big guy thirty five years old,

926
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,719
and he said, no offense, but I think you guys

927
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:53,599
are all effing crazy. And this was his first time

928
00:51:53,679 --> 00:51:56,199
he came there, and so he was way at the

929
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,360
beginning of the first stage of grief. The rest of

930
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,039
the room was filled the people that had been there

931
00:52:01,159 --> 00:52:04,119
for had these experiences for years, and so they come

932
00:52:04,159 --> 00:52:07,880
to terms with it. His big ripe was that it

933
00:52:08,119 --> 00:52:12,400
appeared that his kids were also becoming experiencers. As two

934
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,760
little daughters they had drawn a picture and showed it

935
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,320
to him one Saturday morning, called in the bed and said, hey,

936
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,360
look at this, and he says, what are these I

937
00:52:20,559 --> 00:52:23,360
the kids said, Oh, these are the little skeleton people

938
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,480
that sometime come to visit us at night.

939
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,199
Speaker 1: Oh God, you just hit on something that someone I

940
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,960
know is listening is going to talk to me about afterwards.

941
00:52:32,039 --> 00:52:34,280
She talks about the skeleton people around her bed.

942
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,519
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And so he wanted he said, they can

943
00:52:38,559 --> 00:52:41,679
do whatever they want to with me, but they don't

944
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,639
touch my kids. And so he was there for hardcore answers,

945
00:52:45,199 --> 00:52:48,199
but he was again in the first degree of grief,

946
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,880
the first level.

947
00:52:52,039 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: Wow, wow, awesome, Dean, thank you so much. It's always

948
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,800
a real pleasure. It's been such a wonderful time hanging

949
00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:03,320
with you all these years and watching what you do,

950
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,440
and you do such a great job on your films,

951
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,679
and you put so much into them, and I really

952
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appreciate it. And I know you have to move on

953
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to other things, and it's going to be kind of

954
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sad not to be looking forward to the next Dan

955
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Alioto UFO movie, but hopefully there will be one down

956
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the road someday. Never say never, right, that's right, that's right,

957
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all right, And if you don't want to do it,

958
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just throw your coffee cup out of the next screenwriter

959
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next to Yeah. Always a pleasure, Martin, Yes, yes, indeed,

960
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all right. Everyone, So make sure you check out the

961
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show notes for both the Berkshires thing that Samantha Graves

962
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had talked about the form that will be in the

963
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show notes and as well as right now you can

964
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see where to watch Dan Alioto's movie and it's called

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The Experiences Call in Full Disclosure. Check that out on

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Apple and Amazon. Thank you all so much. Remember to

967
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come back here on We have marktin Antonio on Thursday

968
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night at a PM, and we're going to be talking

969
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about the latest file dump, release films, whatever. We're just

970
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going to be hitting highlights, but we'll have a good

971
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time here Thursday night at a PM. And thanks so much,

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and remember to keep your eyes to this guy.