1 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: Hello ladies, gentlemen, Welcome back to another episode of geek 2 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:12,640 Verse Podcast. I am one of your hosts, the Crutch 3 00:00:12,759 --> 00:00:14,119 Taylor Field that I'm joined by. 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:16,679 Speaker 2: I'm the council member Batzer. 5 00:00:17,359 --> 00:00:22,199 Speaker 1: Yes, and we are here continuing our trek through the 6 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,719 post apocalyptic quarantine zone whatever you want to call it. 7 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 3: Of Last of Us Season two, episode three. 8 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: Before we get into that, are spoilers, thoughts, and non spoilers, 9 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:33,200 a couple of plugs. You can find us with your 10 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,039 Internet connection in the search bar. Geek Verse dot CAA 11 00:00:36,079 --> 00:00:37,840 is our home base. 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We love 19 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:01,799 you all. 20 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:05,439 Speaker 1: Aaron Braden, April of Darkness, Jack Grant, Sam Super Bad, Mike, 21 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,719 God Loves Me sixteen nine, Jeremy Reyner, Charlie Rendell, thank 22 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,920 you for being you and just all the wonderful things 23 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,040 that you do for us much appreciated. 24 00:01:14,079 --> 00:01:17,239 Speaker 3: But yeah, like I said, what we got popping off? 25 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: We have done Mission Impossible retros that are popping off 26 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,239 on the patron right now, and the celebration of the 27 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,959 Final Reckoning. I did a side quest last week where 28 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,439 me and Dylan covered Oblivion and the Nintendo switch to 29 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:35,359 and then we did an after nine watch along you 30 00:01:35,879 --> 00:01:37,319 and Me and Travis and Dylan. 31 00:01:37,359 --> 00:01:40,599 Speaker 3: That was a lot of fun. And then Travis has 32 00:01:40,599 --> 00:01:43,480 a side quest tomorrow will we drop in I guess 33 00:01:43,519 --> 00:01:47,280 Tuesday or something like that, And then what else is cooking? 34 00:01:47,519 --> 00:01:48,400 What do we got going on? 35 00:01:48,879 --> 00:01:52,359 Speaker 2: We got and or reviews coming? Oh yes, it's the 36 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:56,599 week of Thunderbolts, which still doesn't feel real to me, 37 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:58,480 even though I have my tickets. It feels like it's 38 00:01:58,519 --> 00:02:00,640 just totally sneaking up on me like a ghost. 39 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:03,079 Speaker 3: Yeah. 40 00:02:03,159 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like you already got the big 41 00:02:05,319 --> 00:02:07,959 one Sinner's reviews on the feeds, so go check that out. 42 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,639 Got a couple other movies coming out here pretty soon. 43 00:02:10,719 --> 00:02:13,639 But yeah, lots of reviews, lots are just usual stuff. 44 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:15,759 We got a week weekly Geek this week. I think 45 00:02:15,759 --> 00:02:19,199 that's me and Dylan, the Whalers coming together. So yeah, Whalers, 46 00:02:19,439 --> 00:02:22,080 keep your eyes on the feeds, you know, because. 47 00:02:21,879 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 3: You mentioned and I'm just I'm just gonna say it. 48 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,479 Speaker 1: Because Star Wars Rent of the Sith is in theaters 49 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:27,560 until Wednesday. 50 00:02:27,599 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 3: Here, I think you you should, you should go see it. 51 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,039 Speaker 2: I did not get outside that I had too many 52 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,199 You episodes to watch right here. 53 00:02:34,719 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, which I guess there there will be a You 54 00:02:37,479 --> 00:02:40,879 season five fin oat final review coming out on our feeds. 55 00:02:40,879 --> 00:02:42,319 Speaker 3: But yeah, you should definitely go see it. 56 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: Watching Revenge in the theaters, like Order sixty six, I 57 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,680 had tears and like the intro, I had goosebumps. I 58 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:53,000 could feel it multiple sequences, just goosebumps. Like I think, Uh, 59 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,000 I think it will reinvigorate your love for Star Wars 60 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,120 and you'll just you'll just you'll be oh. 61 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 2: My doors only doing that. So it might be a 62 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:01,840 good time. 63 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: To stack oh oh yeah, I mean corn buckets, no, 64 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,800 no popcorn pockets, nothing fancy. But we did get a popcorn, 65 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,680 We did get drinks and all that and just regular Yeah, 66 00:03:13,719 --> 00:03:15,599 because it's you're in there for two and a half 67 00:03:15,599 --> 00:03:18,120 hours and it's yeah, damn good time. 68 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,159 Speaker 2: Oh hell, Yeah, I'm glad you enjoyed it, and that's awesome. 69 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, but anyways, ask for damn good times? How how 70 00:03:24,159 --> 00:03:25,719 is this? Was this a damn good time or damn 71 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:27,080 bad time for you? Kirkland? 72 00:03:27,599 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 2: I think this is a pretty damn good time. Coming 73 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,719 off of last week's episode of course boiler free for 74 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,439 the first little port here, I definitely would have assumed 75 00:03:37,479 --> 00:03:40,120 it would be a slower episode of just picking up 76 00:03:40,159 --> 00:03:44,199 the pieces of the big yeah, just the big house 77 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:49,000 that came crashing down last week, and it definitely was that. 78 00:03:49,199 --> 00:03:53,479 I think there's some really strong performances in here, and yeah, 79 00:03:53,599 --> 00:03:56,280 just a lot of kind of grieving going on because 80 00:03:56,319 --> 00:03:59,360 of what happened last week. And I think for the 81 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,080 most part, I thought it was done really well. I 82 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,240 think I could have maybe even taken a few more 83 00:04:04,319 --> 00:04:09,080 scenes of certain characters I don't know, interact with each other, 84 00:04:09,159 --> 00:04:12,199 or maybe just longer sequences. They'll maybe highlight what that 85 00:04:12,319 --> 00:04:14,199 is when we get into the spoiler section. But yeah, 86 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:15,719 I think it was a good episode. I think it 87 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,480 definitely has me excited for what's to come next week. 88 00:04:19,759 --> 00:04:23,839 And it's interesting because I played a little bit of 89 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,639 like the first last of us so in last season, 90 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,199 I feel like I had a somewhat of an idea 91 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,120 for at least part of the season, whereas I feel 92 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,480 like now, I mean more so than I already was 93 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,000 because of a certain thing that already happened. In this season, 94 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,240 I'm completely in the like just in the blind. I 95 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,399 have no idea what's going to be coming, who we're 96 00:04:43,399 --> 00:04:47,040 going to be interacting with. So I am really just 97 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,560 intrigued by where we are, I think by the end 98 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:51,720 of this episode, and yeah, just kind of where we're 99 00:04:51,759 --> 00:04:57,160 going and yeah, no, I'm ready to kick some ass 100 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,920 with our protagonists here, So yeah, let's do it. 101 00:05:00,399 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 3: Well said, yeah, I've played. 102 00:05:03,319 --> 00:05:05,399 Speaker 1: I'm being the first one, but I've played the first one, 103 00:05:05,399 --> 00:05:08,879 and so to make those comparisons in that season. 104 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,319 Speaker 3: To that game, it was, yeah, it was. 105 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: It was easy, and I could kind of predict what 106 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,120 was gonna happen because obviously, like I said, I played 107 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,920 the game. But with this, this is totally unsure waters 108 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,720 And I wasn't here for last week's review, but I 109 00:05:25,759 --> 00:05:29,639 had a hunch and inkling that Joel does die, and 110 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:34,000 so spoilers, yes, when I get when we watched last 111 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:35,319 week's episode of that Holy crap. 112 00:05:35,319 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, they went with it. 113 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: I didn't think they're gonna do it that quickly, and 114 00:05:38,959 --> 00:05:41,480 I didn't know at what instance in the game it happens. 115 00:05:41,759 --> 00:05:42,879 Speaker 3: Didn't know if it was in the middle or the 116 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,199 beginning or the end whatnot. But yeah, here we are. 117 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,399 Speaker 1: It happened pretty quickly. And I just don't like Abby. 118 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,680 I think the actress is great, she's doing a fantastic job. 119 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,240 And Abby, it's the character. I just hate her. But 120 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,560 of course there's justification in her actions because her father 121 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,439 was murdered by Joel, so you know. 122 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,519 Speaker 3: Revenge, that kind of stuff. But I think you see 123 00:06:03,199 --> 00:06:04,920 I think you're gonna see the. 124 00:06:04,639 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: Like a parallel where Abby and Ellie are very similar 125 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:14,319 but different at the same time. And yeah, you can 126 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:18,480 see like the people that Joel in retrospect has created 127 00:06:18,519 --> 00:06:20,680 through his actions, and then you're gonna see Ellie is 128 00:06:20,759 --> 00:06:23,759 someone like through also through his actions. 129 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:26,639 Speaker 3: Like he's he's done bad things. 130 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: But you're gonna get you're gonna see two outcomes and 131 00:06:28,959 --> 00:06:31,439 two different people because of that. You're gonna see Abby 132 00:06:31,959 --> 00:06:34,040 as an outcome of Joel's actions, and you're gonna see 133 00:06:34,079 --> 00:06:36,360 Ellie as an outcome of Joel's actions, and I just 134 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:36,920 think it's okay. 135 00:06:36,959 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 3: It's how he kind of continues on. 136 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 1: You're gonna see how that is impacting this world still 137 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:42,279 because of what he's done with. 138 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,079 Speaker 3: These two characters or to these two characters. 139 00:06:44,079 --> 00:06:48,399 Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm I'm really feeling good about this episode. 140 00:06:48,439 --> 00:06:50,000 Like I said, I don't know how it compares to 141 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,480 the game. I don't know what to be expecting now 142 00:06:52,519 --> 00:06:55,480 at this point, and there's a lot that I just 143 00:06:56,079 --> 00:06:58,920 I have questions. I don't know who certain things are, 144 00:06:59,079 --> 00:07:01,800 who certain groups are in this what's going on? 145 00:07:01,959 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 2: Really? 146 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:04,519 Speaker 1: And so I feel like a lost dog with without 147 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,800 a bone, without a leash, no owner, no chip in 148 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:08,240 my ear. 149 00:07:08,319 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 3: I just it's very lost. 150 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 2: So goes protocol dog version. 151 00:07:12,839 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. 152 00:07:14,439 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: So I mean I don't have I won't have the 153 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,079 ability to answer many answers if you have, or answer 154 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:21,560 any questions that you have. 155 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll just speculate today. Yeah, there'll be no answers given. 156 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,759 Speaker 3: To us, That's right. Uh be anything else you want 157 00:07:29,759 --> 00:07:31,319 to drop on spoilers before we crack on? 158 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 2: Uh No, I don't think so. Yeah, I don't think 159 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,360 there's anything else to really add cool? 160 00:07:38,759 --> 00:07:41,759 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, we're gonna get at it in three two 161 00:07:41,879 --> 00:07:42,879 one after this ad. 162 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 3: Break and we are back. So where do you want 163 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:48,600 to start? 164 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:49,439 Speaker 1: Uh? 165 00:07:49,519 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean last week ended very probably the heaviest 166 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,720 moment of the entire series. Of course, you know, the 167 00:07:56,759 --> 00:07:59,920 departure of the great Pedro Pascal in the show, Joel. 168 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,439 I have an inkling that we'll see at least a 169 00:08:04,439 --> 00:08:07,800 like a Joel appearance, whether it's like a flashback or something, 170 00:08:08,519 --> 00:08:11,319 or I don't know, Ellie Seaton Forest ghosts or something 171 00:08:11,399 --> 00:08:14,759 and Joel speaking to her. I'm sure we'll see him 172 00:08:14,759 --> 00:08:18,160 at some point before the show's all all done. But yeah, 173 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,480 he was killed off last week and then entering this one, 174 00:08:21,519 --> 00:08:23,600 of course, it's picking up the pieces from that, and 175 00:08:24,519 --> 00:08:26,399 I would have assumed, you know, for it to be 176 00:08:26,519 --> 00:08:29,480 very heavy. I wasn't disappointed. I think maybe I just 177 00:08:29,519 --> 00:08:33,120 wanted a little bit more of like the grieving, whether 178 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:37,559 it was a little bit more of like Ellie Dina 179 00:08:37,919 --> 00:08:40,919 like that, like I don't know, just talking about what happened. 180 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,399 We did get it, but I think it was a 181 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,759 little bit shorter, especially because what we were getting on screen. 182 00:08:47,159 --> 00:08:48,919 I really liked it. Like, I just think those two 183 00:08:48,919 --> 00:08:52,360 are fantastic together on screen. So I think I maybe 184 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:54,679 just would have wanted like a little bit more of 185 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,960 an extended sequence or even like the Tommy stuff. It 186 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:02,240 seemed like Ellie and him kind of talk like briefly 187 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,200 about it and it's it's all really good. And I 188 00:09:05,279 --> 00:09:07,279 think that just adds to why I wanted it to 189 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,399 be a longer sequence because it was just that great. 190 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:13,840 But uh yeah, I don't know it did. It's a yeah, 191 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,600 just just great performance by Bella Ramsay of just showing 192 00:09:16,639 --> 00:09:18,360 like the grief when she goes into the closet and 193 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,320 it's kind of just uh yeah, finding his clothes. That 194 00:09:21,399 --> 00:09:23,080 was that was getting me a little choked up. So 195 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:27,240 I think they they executed that sequence really really well. 196 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,480 And yeah, she she kind of had to just you know, 197 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,360 have her moment of of grievance and then now she's 198 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:37,480 just uh just just rate a kick ass and get 199 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:41,519 that revolver into the into the head of Abby. So well, uh, 200 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:43,519 we'll see what's to come out. How do you feel 201 00:09:43,519 --> 00:09:45,919 that they did with the whole grieving factor, because of 202 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,799 course it's not just Ellie that lost someone, because the 203 00:09:48,799 --> 00:09:51,799 whole town obviously lost a lot of people in the uh, 204 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,919 the infected raid on on the town of Jackson, and 205 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:59,000 then yeah, just other people that were really fond of 206 00:09:59,039 --> 00:10:01,399 Joel and kind of what his role was in the town. 207 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's tough, and the episode definitely feels 208 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,480 empty because Bella Ramsay does a great job at making 209 00:10:09,519 --> 00:10:10,440 it feel. 210 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,039 Speaker 3: Like we've we've lost something. 211 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:15,159 Speaker 1: Obviously, the presence of Pedro Bascal not being around is 212 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:19,919 definitely that carries its own weight, but that has sold 213 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:20,600 even more. 214 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,399 Speaker 3: Because of the acting and the performances by. 215 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,919 Speaker 1: The co cast with Joel's brother, you can feel it 216 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:28,879 there when Joel's not around, and when Allie goes into 217 00:10:28,919 --> 00:10:34,159 that house, it just feels empty and something's missing there. 218 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,799 And yeah, he just she she takes the watch. 219 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 3: I think she took the watch, you know, she. 220 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:42,039 Speaker 1: Was looking at it, but he takes the gun and 221 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,440 just has that moment of weakness where she's holding onto 222 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,240 the the jacket and it just you're looking at her 223 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:51,200 in the situation and it just it's a moment of 224 00:10:51,279 --> 00:10:53,360 weakness with her, and it's a character that you don't 225 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:54,039 really see a lot of. 226 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:55,159 Speaker 3: Weakness emanating off of. 227 00:10:55,279 --> 00:10:57,799 Speaker 1: So it's it's really adding some more depth to her, 228 00:10:59,279 --> 00:11:01,120 and you get. 229 00:11:00,919 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 3: A little bit of her just obviously. 230 00:11:04,759 --> 00:11:07,039 Speaker 1: Putting up her shields when she's dealing with Gail and 231 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,080 other characters as well, But it's just that's her classic 232 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:15,639 defense system. She's becoming a lot more complex, but a 233 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:16,480 lot more. 234 00:11:19,159 --> 00:11:20,919 Speaker 3: What would be the word for that. 235 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,879 Speaker 1: Well, I like how Joel's brother had put it, you know, 236 00:11:27,039 --> 00:11:29,879 with this conversation with Gail, that they were worried about, oh, 237 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,519 she could be too much like Joel, and it's like, well, 238 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:38,039 you know, Joel is there ten percent, Like nurturing has 239 00:11:38,159 --> 00:11:39,360 kind of gone off onto her. 240 00:11:39,399 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 3: But nature is the other thing. You know. 241 00:11:41,519 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: You can nurture someone, but nature will kind of dictate 242 00:11:44,279 --> 00:11:48,120 who they become. And I feel like it'll be interesting 243 00:11:48,159 --> 00:11:50,360 to see how Ellie. 244 00:11:50,159 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 3: Grows into that a little bit more. 245 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: And I was talking about the non spoilers with Joel's 246 00:11:54,759 --> 00:11:57,840 actions and how it results in Abby and with Ellie, 247 00:11:57,919 --> 00:12:00,080 and well, there's a little bit of that percentage that 248 00:12:00,159 --> 00:12:01,919 it's nurture and the rest is nature. I think that's 249 00:12:01,919 --> 00:12:05,240 where're gonna see Ellie turn into someone who and I 250 00:12:05,279 --> 00:12:06,960 haven't played the game, I'll. 251 00:12:06,879 --> 00:12:08,759 Speaker 3: Reiterate that again, so I don't know what is going 252 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:09,200 to happen. 253 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna just, you know, make a guess here 254 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,720 that she's going to make a call similar to what 255 00:12:15,799 --> 00:12:19,080 Joel did and protecting her and saving her, and she'll 256 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:20,919 do that in another instance that makes her. 257 00:12:21,159 --> 00:12:28,279 Speaker 3: Better than Abby, Yes the doctor, that's right. Yeah, I'll 258 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:28,799 save them. 259 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:34,519 Speaker 1: But I think she is just she's really really fantastic, 260 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:36,159 and I really like getting this little bit of an 261 00:12:36,159 --> 00:12:39,399 adventure with her when they leave town and she's running 262 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,840 off to go do her thing, trying to find the 263 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,519 not the Fireflies anymore, because now they're the WLF, the wolves, 264 00:12:45,879 --> 00:12:48,440 which I don't have any answers about them. I wish 265 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:50,120 I knew a little bit more about this outfit because 266 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,720 they seem extremely. 267 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 3: Well armed, oh my goodness. 268 00:12:56,279 --> 00:12:58,039 Speaker 1: So I'd like to know a little bit more about 269 00:12:58,039 --> 00:12:59,720 what they're up to and what they're doing. They just 270 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,000 seem like there are a whole military groups. They don't 271 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,200 seem like they have really anything else, and Seattle just 272 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:09,360 seems like a complete wasteland. So are they just living 273 00:13:09,399 --> 00:13:12,600 in like run down skyscrapers. They haven't set up any walls, 274 00:13:12,639 --> 00:13:15,120 any perimeters, like what's what's going on? But it also 275 00:13:15,159 --> 00:13:17,559 seems like there's no effected in Seattle too, And obviously 276 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:21,720 I'm kind of branching off here from from Ellie, so 277 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:22,720 I won't go too far. 278 00:13:22,919 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, yeah, no, I'm I'm very curious as to 279 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,840 what the whole goal is now, right of the Wolves, 280 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:32,120 because of course we knew what the Fireflies general goal 281 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:36,480 was with just the whole cure stuff, but we're beyond that. 282 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,559 So is it just they're preparing for war? Who knows 283 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,639 what's going on? It? It is funny though, because yeah, 284 00:13:42,639 --> 00:13:44,919 I haven't played the game, but just getting introduced to 285 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,039 these like newish factions now with like the Wolves, you 286 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,879 have like the fucking the Jokers out there, with like 287 00:13:50,919 --> 00:13:54,440 the slit cheeks they got they got fucked up pretty easily. 288 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,720 But they just seem like new like enemies you know 289 00:13:57,759 --> 00:13:59,840 that you'd be coming across in your adventure if you're 290 00:14:00,159 --> 00:14:02,240 if you're playing this game, it's like, oh, gotta watch 291 00:14:02,279 --> 00:14:05,919 out for for the for these enemies now. So just 292 00:14:05,919 --> 00:14:08,360 like seeing the little gamisms in there's is fun. But 293 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,399 uh yeah, I know, I uh, I I found it 294 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:16,679 interesting too. Just finishing off some ally thoughts how they 295 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,399 got her to I don't know, kind of speak up 296 00:14:19,399 --> 00:14:21,080 at the meeting because it just seemed like something that 297 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,200 she like a characteristic that she definitely would never really 298 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:27,919 be going for. But this is like the most realistic 299 00:14:27,919 --> 00:14:31,039 way to to kind of win the vote of the town, 300 00:14:31,159 --> 00:14:32,879 even though at the end of the day she doesn't 301 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:37,360 care if nobody's going, she's going. And I liked how 302 00:14:37,799 --> 00:14:41,399 when you know, she kind of gets caught by Dina 303 00:14:41,519 --> 00:14:43,519 when she's trying to sneak out of the town, Dina 304 00:14:43,639 --> 00:14:45,320 not for like a single second was trying to like 305 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,159 convince her to not do it, Like right away she 306 00:14:47,279 --> 00:14:50,000 was she was ready to go with her. I imagine 307 00:14:50,039 --> 00:14:52,080 that's pretty similar to how it goes in the game. 308 00:14:52,919 --> 00:14:54,759 But yeah, no, I I think those two are just 309 00:14:54,759 --> 00:14:58,000 so fantastic together. And I don't know, it really just 310 00:14:58,399 --> 00:15:02,480 maybe shows the uh the level of bonding that obviously 311 00:15:02,559 --> 00:15:04,960 Joel and Ellie had, but also Dina and Joel because 312 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:06,879 we didn't really get to see a lot of that 313 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:11,320 on screen. So yeah, I know, I love Dina. She's fantastic. 314 00:15:12,759 --> 00:15:18,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, she's really really awesome. And again it's 315 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:22,879 it's a character that I don't know a lot about, 316 00:15:24,399 --> 00:15:28,639 but she's definitely whipping out maps and whipping out all 317 00:15:28,679 --> 00:15:31,039 these details and facts. She can smell when the rain's 318 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:32,679 coming and and all that. 319 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 2: So it's got that rain elbow that my mom's got. Yeah, 320 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:37,039 she's going to rain. 321 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 322 00:15:38,639 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: So I'm really I'm really liking her character a lot. 323 00:15:40,799 --> 00:15:43,159 She's she's a lot of fun. And I again, I 324 00:15:43,159 --> 00:15:44,480 didn't know what was gonna happen. I thought she was 325 00:15:44,519 --> 00:15:46,399 gonna die after she was having this kind of like 326 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,600 more intimate connection with with Ellie. I thought that when 327 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:53,039 the attack happened no before in the last episode. I 328 00:15:53,039 --> 00:15:54,840 thought last episode she was gonna get it. And when 329 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,279 she didn't get it from them, the Clickers, and I 330 00:15:57,279 --> 00:15:58,799 thought for sure she was going to get it when 331 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:03,399 they were Joel kind of the former Fireflies. 332 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 2: Beat out of her. Yeah, after killing Joel, you killed 333 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:11,120 a really bad day for Ellie. If she comes into that. 334 00:16:10,639 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 3: That would be, that would be. 335 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: But she's she's definitely a Yeah, she's like a she's 336 00:16:15,399 --> 00:16:18,039 a trooper. She's got all the details, the knowledge, everything 337 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,080 like that. And she's got the contacts because she's got 338 00:16:21,519 --> 00:16:25,000 Life of Crutch there on her payroll to get him 339 00:16:25,159 --> 00:16:26,720 get her all the supplies. 340 00:16:26,799 --> 00:16:31,879 Speaker 2: Right. So yeah, Yeah, the bigot from last week's episode 341 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:33,480 I think it was last week's episode, or it might 342 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:34,480 have been the first episode. 343 00:16:34,559 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 3: The first episode. Yeah, at the party. 344 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 2: No, I like that moment when uh again, like just 345 00:16:39,879 --> 00:16:41,840 going back to the town meeting and everybody's kind of 346 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,679 given their their opinion on what's going on. He's just 347 00:16:45,679 --> 00:16:48,799 like calling everybody out. They come in here, they're pissing 348 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,600 in her eye. I like that line that dropped there, 349 00:16:52,639 --> 00:16:56,200 but uh yeah, I know it was an unlikely ally, 350 00:16:56,279 --> 00:16:57,919 but I liked how it kind of worked out and 351 00:16:57,919 --> 00:17:00,360 he gave her, you know, the trade for a much 352 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:00,799 better right. 353 00:17:01,639 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, it looked so clean. 354 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 2: It looked like it was right out of like a 355 00:17:04,759 --> 00:17:06,799 fresh gunshot that like it did. 356 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, it looked absolutely ment. 357 00:17:09,279 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 2: That was like a battle pass rifle he gave her. 358 00:17:11,079 --> 00:17:11,920 It's got a skin on it. 359 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 1: And everything's right trace her back, yeah, thirty dollars pack. Yeah, 360 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,839 he's definitely kind of turned things around there. And you know, 361 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,240 the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and that's 362 00:17:27,319 --> 00:17:30,480 that's what happens here. That's they were attacked, and so 363 00:17:30,559 --> 00:17:33,480 they're kind of unifying together. And when they did that, 364 00:17:33,799 --> 00:17:35,839 the whole voting thing with the council, I think I 365 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:38,640 feel like I could pick out which three probably voted 366 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:42,640 yes for them to go, And wasn't just people. 367 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:46,519 Speaker 4: For sure, just no, no, no, yeah, he absolutely said no, 368 00:17:46,599 --> 00:17:50,480 he's a by the book character for sure, but everything 369 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,839 in that sequence when yeah tested it up. 370 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:54,759 Speaker 1: And he was like piston in her eyes and whatnot, 371 00:17:54,759 --> 00:17:57,119 and like at the end of the meeting and everyone's 372 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,640 getting up to leave and he's just sitting there holding 373 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:03,319 his cane and he's just staring at them, just intimidatingly. 374 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:04,279 Speaker 2: So but. 375 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, well we'll see if he's still around to come 376 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,920 the end of the season, if our two heroes make 377 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:13,599 it back, which I have no idea if they will, 378 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:18,200 so true, Yeah, but I'm glad to see the town 379 00:18:18,319 --> 00:18:20,799 is kind of rebuilt and kind of making a comeback. 380 00:18:20,799 --> 00:18:23,279 We had a three month time jump, which was quite 381 00:18:23,279 --> 00:18:24,119 a bit of time. 382 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 2: But okay, yeah, I missed that detail. I didn't know 383 00:18:28,039 --> 00:18:30,119 what the exact timeframe was. Do you think we're going 384 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,680 to be seeing a lot more of the town or like, 385 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,200 I'm sure we will still see it, just because we 386 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,720 have familiar faces there, like the Tommy's and such, But 387 00:18:40,839 --> 00:18:43,920 I don't know, I can see us maybe spending a 388 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,799 lot more time, which just kind of Seattle. Now, especially 389 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:48,680 for next week episode, I. 390 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 1: Don't think we're going to see the town until the 391 00:18:50,799 --> 00:18:56,160 last two maybe real final episode. I think yeah, because 392 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,039 there's no one back on the town that we really 393 00:18:58,079 --> 00:19:00,319 need to go to. I can't see us really needed 394 00:19:00,319 --> 00:19:03,400 to go back to Joel's brother right away. 395 00:19:04,279 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 2: Seth his crutch. 396 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 3: You know they maybe they just like they beat the 397 00:19:10,039 --> 00:19:12,759 shout I'm telling us what you did? Where's where's Ellie? 398 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 2: They just beat the ship out of the poor guy 399 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:17,359 with the cane. 400 00:19:17,319 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 3: Just waterboarding him and stuff like that. I think you could. 401 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,319 Speaker 1: I think I think Joel's brother, Tommy, I think he 402 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,880 could maybe make an appearance, but not in the town. 403 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,480 I think that he could show up saving Ellie or 404 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,680 like Ellie and you could caught in a situation. But 405 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:39,480 maybe just maybe because they left, that's going to force 406 00:19:39,599 --> 00:19:41,680 the council's hand to send people to go and save them, 407 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:43,839 because it's kind of maybe this's a fore shadow because 408 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:47,720 Tommy said that when Ellie was countering him with the 409 00:19:47,759 --> 00:19:50,880 fact that hey, if you were gone or taken or 410 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,279 whatever out there, like Joel would be leaving immediately to 411 00:19:53,319 --> 00:19:54,680 go and get you. And he's like, yeah, if I 412 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,920 was alive, but if you know, if I was dead, that's. 413 00:19:56,799 --> 00:20:00,319 Speaker 3: A different story. So maybe that's the case here. 414 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 1: Because Ellie and Dina are out there, it might prompt 415 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:07,559 them to actually be responsive and send a task force 416 00:20:07,599 --> 00:20:10,079 out to deal with this. I don't know how well 417 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:12,920 sixteen people are gonna do, though, because these guys have 418 00:20:13,599 --> 00:20:14,799 I don't even know what the vehicles call. 419 00:20:15,039 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 3: I don't know if it's like an APC. 420 00:20:16,519 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: Armor personnel carrier and then like two hum v's and 421 00:20:20,039 --> 00:20:23,039 then they got a whole platoon of soldiers ready to go, 422 00:20:23,079 --> 00:20:25,119 and these guys have military training. We don't know who 423 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,680 the leader is, but it's just it's it's a conflict 424 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:32,680 that we don't know how that's gonna unfold. Really as well, 425 00:20:32,839 --> 00:20:34,759 maybe we do. It's not gonna go well for our 426 00:20:34,799 --> 00:20:39,559 team in Jackson. I feel like that is evident based 427 00:20:39,599 --> 00:20:43,400 on this. As you said, the Jokers, the little religious 428 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,400 prophetic group that just. 429 00:20:45,319 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 3: Got fucking bopped. 430 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 1: They're whistling didn't save them. So whistling I feel like 431 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,960 as a giveaway more than a save saving grace. 432 00:20:52,279 --> 00:20:54,039 Speaker 2: Whistling, I don't know it's coming over here. 433 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,079 Speaker 3: Let's cool, exactly. 434 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know to add to, Uh, what's it 435 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,680 gonna say? Any anything else in the I don't think 436 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:09,480 I have anything else really on the town. Do you 437 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:14,680 feel like I think we see like a I could 438 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,359 see not next week's episode, but like at least the 439 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,599 week after at least like a little check in. I'm 440 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,839 just kind of what's going on because Dina and Ellie also, 441 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,799 like you know, snuck away, So I would imagine we 442 00:21:26,799 --> 00:21:29,599 at least see like the reaction to the Tommy's and 443 00:21:29,599 --> 00:21:31,079 the other people that are in the town. 444 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 3: The interrogating sets. 445 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe Jesse like goes after them or something. I 446 00:21:42,079 --> 00:21:45,039 don't know. He seems pretty castrated though I don't think 447 00:21:45,079 --> 00:21:45,720 he's doing anything. 448 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 3: He's fuck. 449 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:56,079 Speaker 2: And then yeah, and then you just mentioned the the Jokers, 450 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,960 that that religious group. I imagine there's more of them 451 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,839 out there or did they just get sand peopled. 452 00:22:04,319 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 3: I don't completely. I hope, I hope there's more. 453 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: I would like to learn more about it, but maybe 454 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,720 there really isn't anything else to learn from. 455 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,519 Speaker 2: It be so weird though, to let they have like 456 00:22:13,559 --> 00:22:16,000 this symbol. It's like they never explain why their faces 457 00:22:16,039 --> 00:22:19,200 look like that. They're whistling who this profit is? So 458 00:22:19,519 --> 00:22:21,319 if we just never seen them again. It's like, why 459 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:25,279 even get introduced to this? So I would imagine we're 460 00:22:25,319 --> 00:22:28,200 gonna see it and then who knows, maybe eventually see 461 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,359 this profit type person, even though he does mention that 462 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,880 she was dead, right, so she's been dead ten years. 463 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, so apparently I guess like a profit will appear 464 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:38,839 every once in a while. 465 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 3: And I thought they were. 466 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 1: This guy was kind of foreshadowing, oh this, you know, 467 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,640 my little daughter here is going to become the next 468 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,680 prophet or something like that. But they religiously hold on 469 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,319 to their hammers as weapons. 470 00:22:50,839 --> 00:22:53,279 Speaker 3: They don't seem to use guns of any kind. 471 00:22:53,640 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 1: So still probably should have heard group, Probably should have Yeah. 472 00:23:01,319 --> 00:23:04,799 Speaker 2: And then yeah, so was it the wolves that murdered them? 473 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,119 Is that they're because at some point don't they say 474 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,039 there's like there's monsters or yeah. 475 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,599 Speaker 3: The girls like monsters and he's like, worse, it's wolves. 476 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, And then I think it transitions to Ellie's drawn 477 00:23:17,519 --> 00:23:20,200 or Dina's drawn photo of the wolf symbol, like that's 478 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:21,960 the scene like jumps from that to that. That's when 479 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:26,119 Ellie's doing some boxing with the heavy bag with Jesse there. 480 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,960 So yeah, the wolves, uh, you know, not only tortured 481 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,759 and murdered or are protagonist Joel Miller. But I suppose 482 00:23:33,759 --> 00:23:36,319 he murdered this whole group, including children, which is pretty 483 00:23:36,519 --> 00:23:40,279 fucked up. And we didn't see obviously faces we didn't 484 00:23:40,319 --> 00:23:43,519 see Abby at all in this episode, or I guess 485 00:23:43,519 --> 00:23:46,240 we saw the one chap that got sliced up by 486 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:47,960 Ellie from last week. He was the guy in the 487 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:53,480 tower that was kind of on lookout that that's right, Yeah, right, 488 00:23:53,519 --> 00:23:56,359 so he would have been the only member from last 489 00:23:56,359 --> 00:24:00,119 week there. But yeah, I don't know. I'm curious to 490 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,000 see who exactly was directly involved with the the murder 491 00:24:04,039 --> 00:24:04,920 of the Whistlers. 492 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: And I thought he was actually gonna spot Ellie and 493 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,200 Dina when they asked him, like, hey, do a checkout 494 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:16,000 at Oh yeah, he's a ship talking his boss like 495 00:24:16,519 --> 00:24:19,920 I'm supposed to watch six. Oh it looks over there, 496 00:24:20,039 --> 00:24:22,480 You're all clear, and then just goes back to doing 497 00:24:22,519 --> 00:24:24,039 what he's doing terrible look out. 498 00:24:25,279 --> 00:24:29,599 Speaker 3: Yeah m m hmm. But I don't know what. 499 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: I don't know what to expect next week. I mean, 500 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,000 obviously they're going into Seattle and they're going to be 501 00:24:34,039 --> 00:24:34,720 looking for Abby. 502 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 3: Do you think we see Abby? 503 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 2: See Abby next week because we didn't see her at 504 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:44,720 all this week. I I know she's like you kind 505 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,119 of see a lot of the story through her eyes 506 00:24:47,279 --> 00:24:50,279 in the in the game for part two, So I 507 00:24:50,319 --> 00:24:52,279 am curious how much of that is going to be 508 00:24:52,759 --> 00:24:55,279 uh here in the TV show here of like how 509 00:24:55,319 --> 00:24:58,880 much we're just following her along because yeah, like like 510 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,359 you from last week, I think a lot of people 511 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,640 will feel the same way. I'm not a fan of 512 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,480 the Abby character for what was shown, and I think 513 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,599 it's mostly just because they really set her up to 514 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,680 be like a villain. She has a reason, but I 515 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,799 think the way that it was shown in the TV show, 516 00:25:17,559 --> 00:25:20,519 it's like hard for me to like defend her actions 517 00:25:20,599 --> 00:25:22,880 when she goes as far as she did of like 518 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,480 just torturing this guy as opposed to just quickly murdering 519 00:25:25,519 --> 00:25:29,160 him getting the revenge. Like she just beats the livering, 520 00:25:29,279 --> 00:25:31,880 like literally the life out of him and then goes 521 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,920 for a graphic kill. So I think for what it 522 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,559 was shown in the TV show, I don't really feel 523 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,839 a lot of sympathy for that character, even though I 524 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,960 know that Joel killed her dad. So I'm curious if 525 00:25:43,039 --> 00:25:45,880 the show's gonna be trying to really sell me on 526 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,680 that on why I should be, Yeah, just sympathetic for 527 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,160 the character, because I think for what was shown so far, 528 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,519 they kind of failed at that if that's what we're 529 00:25:54,559 --> 00:25:57,680 going for, because I believe that's kind of how it's 530 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,240 mostly done in the video game. She's shown it little 531 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,599 bit more of a sympathetic light, but yeah, we'll see. 532 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,519 I really love Caitlyn Deaver as an actress. I think 533 00:26:05,519 --> 00:26:07,960 she's fantastic. I think she had a lot of just 534 00:26:08,039 --> 00:26:13,160 juicy showcasing of her ability in last week's episode. So yeah, 535 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,680 I'm curious how I feel like the thing I'm looking 536 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,279 forward to the most is just like the first face 537 00:26:18,319 --> 00:26:20,880 to face between her and Ellie at this point, because 538 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,279 they're both gone through a lot of stuff. People very 539 00:26:24,319 --> 00:26:27,759 close to them straight up father like figure murdered right 540 00:26:27,839 --> 00:26:30,400 in front of them. I guess the doctor wasn't murdered 541 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,359 right in front of her, but you got what I mean. 542 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:37,880 So I'm really looking forward to that, And I don't know, 543 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,160 I don't think it'll happen next week where they like 544 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,759 are actually interacting with each other, like maybe Ellie sees her, 545 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,559 but they don't actually straight up interact. But yeah, I'm 546 00:26:46,599 --> 00:26:50,079 gonna be looking forward to when that inevitable meetup happens. 547 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking forward to it too. It's gonna be 548 00:26:53,799 --> 00:26:54,960 it's gonna be juicy. 549 00:26:54,720 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 3: It's gonna be interesting. I had a their point that 550 00:27:01,279 --> 00:27:03,000 I wanted to bring up. 551 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 2: Shoot, was it on Abby Ellie? 552 00:27:12,039 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 3: It was in regards to Ellie. Yes, Okay, that's it. 553 00:27:16,079 --> 00:27:17,960 So after the. 554 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: Fallout of the attack and everything like that, we get 555 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,759 to see Ellie wakes up in the hospital wing and 556 00:27:23,799 --> 00:27:26,799 like everyone's freaking out and screaming. They had tubes connected 557 00:27:26,799 --> 00:27:28,200 to her because I think they were trying to just 558 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,359 like help bring her back, pump some drugs into her. 559 00:27:30,519 --> 00:27:31,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeahda. 560 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,039 Speaker 1: I first split second thought, okay, like they were taking 561 00:27:34,079 --> 00:27:36,240 blood from her and gonna do like a blood transfusion 562 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:37,799 and use her blood to help a bunch of other people, 563 00:27:37,839 --> 00:27:40,599 just because they were looking around and trying to they 564 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,559 need to help people. And I was thinking, Man, this 565 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,680 is fucked, because they're gonna be taking her blood, they're 566 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,400 gonna give to like fifty people, and they're on a 567 00:27:46,759 --> 00:27:49,839 tweak out and the clickers and just start killing everyone. 568 00:27:50,079 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 3: That was not what happened, well, because. 569 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: She gave her blood to that other boy that got 570 00:27:55,519 --> 00:27:57,799 bit or right a long time ago in season one 571 00:27:57,839 --> 00:28:02,200 and then the boy too. Yeah, right, so there is 572 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:03,960 that Is that because of the blood or because he 573 00:28:04,039 --> 00:28:08,599 was already infected? I thought he was probably because he's 574 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:13,039 already infected, But I imagine like her giving him infected. 575 00:28:12,519 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 3: Blood doesn't help the case. 576 00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 1: But I mean, I don't know, it's hasn't been since 577 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:18,359 the size into a cure. 578 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:23,759 Speaker 3: You're probably right. Yeah, I'm trying to think what else 579 00:28:23,839 --> 00:28:26,240 I have on this episode. 580 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,039 Speaker 2: When they go through the graveyard there, I really like 581 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,799 that sequence. It was just really beautiful shot of just 582 00:28:32,839 --> 00:28:35,519 like the little tall hay fields with like the sunset 583 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,839 or sunrise whatever it was. I like how she gave 584 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,000 him his coffee beans. That was really nice touching moment 585 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,119 just really made me like, I feel like I completely 586 00:28:46,119 --> 00:28:48,759 forgot about like the coffee sequence from season one because 587 00:28:48,759 --> 00:28:51,039 I didn't rewatch these one leading up to this, But 588 00:28:51,119 --> 00:28:53,519 in that moment, it kind of just flashed me back 589 00:28:53,559 --> 00:28:55,359 to when they're in the car together kind of talking 590 00:28:55,359 --> 00:28:56,000 about coffee. 591 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:56,119 Speaker 1: You know. 592 00:28:56,279 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 2: I just again I got a little sentimental just thinking 593 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,839 of like, man, like what they've gone on through to 594 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,839 where they are now it was they still a touching moment. 595 00:29:04,839 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, coffee beans, growing corn. 596 00:29:08,079 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 2: You know, it's one guy in the meeting he's like, 597 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,799 I don't have an opinion on the Seattle thing, but uh. 598 00:29:14,599 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: Should be investing in turkeys instead of turkeys over chickens. 599 00:29:18,359 --> 00:29:21,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, growing corn. Actually, while we're there, that guy, that 600 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,279 guy does not give a fuck about naming what's going on? 601 00:29:24,839 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 3: No, no, he's dancing on everyone's graves. He wants to 602 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,079 plant corn over over all the graves. That's what he 603 00:29:30,119 --> 00:29:30,559 wants to do. 604 00:29:30,759 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 2: Hear me out. We can use Joel's body its fertilizer for. 605 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, do you anything else? 606 00:29:40,839 --> 00:29:43,839 Speaker 2: Gail and Tommy had a little bit of a sit down, Yes, 607 00:29:44,279 --> 00:29:47,519 Gail and Ellie also actually she was kind of a 608 00:29:47,559 --> 00:29:50,119 therapist for a couple other people in the in the sequence. 609 00:29:51,759 --> 00:29:55,359 I just I love this this what's this actress's name again? 610 00:29:55,400 --> 00:30:01,640 I always forget it, But Catherine O'Hara, that's. 611 00:30:01,519 --> 00:30:02,599 Speaker 3: What it is. 612 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 2: Okay, not Catherine hahn but both equally fantastic. But yeah, 613 00:30:08,279 --> 00:30:13,039 know she's she's just a really like flawed therapist. But 614 00:30:13,119 --> 00:30:15,480 like there's no therapist for the therapists in this world, 615 00:30:15,519 --> 00:30:17,319 so she's just kind of doing what she can. You know, 616 00:30:17,359 --> 00:30:20,279 she's an alcoholic, she smokes weed all the time. She says, 617 00:30:22,079 --> 00:30:24,920 she's just really into this t ball game that's going on. 618 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:26,839 I don't know, I just found it to be a 619 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,880 fun little sequence. And then I don't know, it was 620 00:30:30,039 --> 00:30:33,720 it was fun to see a little sliver of just 621 00:30:33,799 --> 00:30:36,160 Tommy like kind of thinking about what's been going on. 622 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,599 And I think I could have taken a little bit 623 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:44,319 of a more of like the grieving Tommy in this moment, 624 00:30:44,319 --> 00:30:46,519 because we did lose Joel here, but I think for 625 00:30:46,599 --> 00:30:48,359 the little scenes that we did get, I did really 626 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,839 enjoy it. And then yeah, the moment between Gail and 627 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,400 Ellie also, I actually really liked because it just seems 628 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,240 like Ellie is always putting on like a face and 629 00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:01,319 like just trying to make it seem like she's tough. 630 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,400 So by the time that we get her alone and 631 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,720 like what we've already talked about, when she is just 632 00:31:06,759 --> 00:31:09,599 going through the house all alone without Joel, it just 633 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,559 seems like it's it's like a volcano that's like finally 634 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,000 erupting where she's just like always been pushing down these 635 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,720 feelings and it just, you know, just bubbled up to 636 00:31:17,759 --> 00:31:19,400 the surface and it just kind of exploded, and that's 637 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,720 when she is fall on in the heavy tears. So yeah, 638 00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:24,680 I thought it was just a good build up to 639 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,200 that moment from from the Gail in her little therapy 640 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,799 session to h yeah, where we get. 641 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: To m Yeah, I agree. Gail has definitely become a good, 642 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,079 good character, reinforcing kind of the thoughts of what our 643 00:31:40,119 --> 00:31:42,960 current characters going through, and like, like I said, already 644 00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:45,200 giving out that really really good line about the nurturing 645 00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:47,799 and the nature when it comes to Ellie and who 646 00:31:47,839 --> 00:31:48,839 she's gonna be as a person. 647 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 2: Do you think we're gonna get any more Eugene stuff, 648 00:31:53,839 --> 00:31:56,799 because this has been like a I don't know all 649 00:31:56,799 --> 00:31:58,960 the details of the Eugene thing. Joel was forced to 650 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,240 kill this guy, and it just seems like in the 651 00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:04,079 last two episodes we just kept getting like a little 652 00:32:04,119 --> 00:32:06,680 Eugene moment when I think it was Jesse and Ellie 653 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,240 are at that safe house where the weeds being grown 654 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,759 and then she finds like Eugene's I don't know name 655 00:32:12,839 --> 00:32:15,759 tag or something, dog tags, whatever it was. It just 656 00:32:15,759 --> 00:32:18,640 seems like they like keep bouncing up this character. So 657 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,839 I was curious when we were gonna eventually get a 658 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,559 little bit more of an answer on what all the 659 00:32:23,559 --> 00:32:26,279 details were to that. But Joel's gone. Now you know, 660 00:32:26,319 --> 00:32:29,079 we're leaving Jackson. I imagine we're not going to be 661 00:32:29,079 --> 00:32:31,759 seen too much Gail, at least in the next episode. 662 00:32:31,839 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: So this Eugene character, I don't I have to rewatch 663 00:32:37,759 --> 00:32:38,240 season one. 664 00:32:38,279 --> 00:32:39,279 Speaker 3: I really don't remember. 665 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 2: I don't even think he's in season one. I think 666 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:41,079 it was. 667 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 1: I see that there's like a photo of this guy 668 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:49,839 and it says Eugene Linden and he's got glasses, like 669 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,960 if you google him, But I just I don't. 670 00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 3: Remember him from season one. 671 00:32:57,519 --> 00:33:00,119 Speaker 1: And there's like that photo of him is from the game, 672 00:33:00,279 --> 00:33:03,640 but this one that looks like it's actually from the 673 00:33:03,839 --> 00:33:10,839 show Shocking Death in episode two. Eugene Is death have 674 00:33:10,839 --> 00:33:13,720 been mentioned multiple times in the first episode. Yeah, in 675 00:33:13,759 --> 00:33:16,039 episode two, Jesse told Ellie and it's a shame Joel 676 00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:16,799 had to kill Eugene. 677 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 3: Couldn't be saved when he was alive. 678 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,839 Speaker 1: Egene, so yeah, I guess he wasn't wasn't in the 679 00:33:24,839 --> 00:33:28,160 first season. I don't know why Google has all these 680 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,039 photos of this character then, because it's a real actor. 681 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:34,519 Speaker 3: I don't know. 682 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,839 Speaker 1: I just assumed that he was one of the guys 683 00:33:36,839 --> 00:33:41,480 in that cannibal community for whatever reason. It's the storyline 684 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:47,839 wise that doesn't make any fucking sense. So I'm sure 685 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:53,359 they're gonna give us backstory on on Eugene because I mean, you're, 686 00:33:53,799 --> 00:33:56,200 like you said, we'll probably go back to Jackson and 687 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,200 we'll get a little bit more stuff with Gail and 688 00:33:58,240 --> 00:33:59,440 probably with Tommy and get. 689 00:33:59,279 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 3: A little bit more in sight into into Eugene. 690 00:34:02,359 --> 00:34:08,039 Speaker 2: So yeah, we're going. Yeah, I don't have uh, I 691 00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:11,159 don't have anything else. We have a Dina and Ellie 692 00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:14,199 tense sequence at the end there. I thought it was 693 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,719 gonna get a steamy sequence, but it never never got steamy. 694 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,800 It stayed pretty uh pretty cold temper. 695 00:34:20,519 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 4: Yeah. 696 00:34:21,079 --> 00:34:21,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 697 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,119 Speaker 1: They talked about you know, the kiss and everything like that, 698 00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:26,480 and she got a harsh grade of a six. 699 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:28,519 Speaker 2: Yeah. 700 00:34:28,599 --> 00:34:31,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, So it doesn't seem like they're gonna pursue their 701 00:34:31,559 --> 00:34:34,199 relationship because it seems like and Ellie was kind of 702 00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:36,400 poking fun at at her with this. It seems like 703 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:43,760 she's gone back to seth now alight, Jesse. 704 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's a reason why I set up about. 705 00:34:50,039 --> 00:34:51,519 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's exactly. 706 00:34:51,559 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 1: It's why he's got a cane now too, where it's 707 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:54,840 going hard all night. 708 00:34:58,800 --> 00:34:59,679 Speaker 2: Oh that's Seth. 709 00:35:00,159 --> 00:35:05,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, Jesse, Jesse, fuck, you don't think they're gonna they're 710 00:35:05,639 --> 00:35:07,719 gonna keep going in that direction of something a little 711 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:08,440 bit more than friends. 712 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 2: I feel like they'll be dancing along. 713 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,679 Speaker 1: The because she's she said to you like, well you 714 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,960 like girls, and like I I don't. 715 00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:18,159 Speaker 3: I was just true, it doesn't matter. 716 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 1: So she I feel like she reaffirmed herself and in 717 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,360 this moment, but she was just in that time at 718 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,360 the party, she was just having fun and just experimenting 719 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:29,079 or trying it out. 720 00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:30,880 Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't know. 721 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 2: She wasn't that high though, right remember she did, Oh 722 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,119 you were super high. I don't know. I feel like 723 00:35:37,159 --> 00:35:39,599 Dina is a fun flirt to have at least to 724 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,880 like keep the window open. You know, she's not gonna 725 00:35:44,119 --> 00:35:46,559 straight up say yes or no. But I think she's 726 00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:47,960 gonna keep dancing along those lines. 727 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,760 Speaker 1: Well you're you know, you're probably right if Jesse and 728 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,880 Seth are the picture, and I'm sure she'll keep her 729 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,679 options open with Ellie. 730 00:35:58,639 --> 00:36:01,119 Speaker 2: I just picture we're gonna get like a Jackson scene. 731 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,079 It's gonna be like Seth and Jesse talking about Dina 732 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:05,360 with one of them. 733 00:36:07,079 --> 00:36:09,280 Speaker 3: Yeah cool. 734 00:36:10,119 --> 00:36:13,840 Speaker 1: Well yeah, I got nothing either, So we did it 735 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,840 Episode three in the books. We'll be back next week 736 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,960 with episode four as we continue on, and we'll be 737 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,800 back earlier this week with you season five review and 738 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,800 and or and all that fun stuff and sidequest. So 739 00:36:26,679 --> 00:36:31,239 until then, we will see you in the search bar. 740 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:32,760 Speaker 3: Have a good one. 741 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 2: Bye bye.