WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:03.200 Hey, it's Wes, the creator of Deviltown. I have some 2 00:00:03.240 --> 00:00:05.799 good news. It took a while, but I work out 3 00:00:05.799 --> 00:00:09.080 in agreement with the studio that owns Deviltown so I 4 00:00:09.080 --> 00:00:12.160 can start making new episodes again. I'm hoping we'll be 5 00:00:12.160 --> 00:00:14.880 back soon. In the meantime, I want to tell you 6 00:00:14.960 --> 00:00:19.079 about the other podcast I produce, called The Unforgotten. Every 7 00:00:19.120 --> 00:00:21.719 season is a deep dive into a different case that 8 00:00:21.800 --> 00:00:25.000 we can't stop thinking about. Here's the first episode of 9 00:00:25.039 --> 00:00:27.920 season three. Give it a listen, and then head on 10 00:00:28.039 --> 00:00:31.600 over to The Unforgotten wherever you listen to podcasts to 11 00:00:31.679 --> 00:00:32.600 get the whole story. 12 00:00:35.000 --> 00:00:39.079 In October twenty twenty, Kenny Hart, an investigation sergeant with 13 00:00:39.159 --> 00:00:42.960 the Benetia Police Department, sat alone in his office thinking 14 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:46.759 about what to say. Benetia is a town of about 15 00:00:46.799 --> 00:00:49.799 thirty thousand on the northern outskirts of the San Francisco 16 00:00:49.880 --> 00:00:52.679 Bay Area, about a forty mile drive from the Golden 17 00:00:52.679 --> 00:00:56.600 Gate Bridge. In twenty six years as a cop, Kenny 18 00:00:56.600 --> 00:01:02.280 had seen it all, homicides, violent, He had patrol duty, 19 00:01:02.759 --> 00:01:05.879 a stint with a corner's office, and with a sheriff's department. 20 00:01:06.640 --> 00:01:09.000 He was even pulled in on tips related to the 21 00:01:09.040 --> 00:01:13.159 infamous Zodiac killings, and during his career he had made 22 00:01:13.200 --> 00:01:16.840 more than his fair share of death notifications, but he 23 00:01:16.920 --> 00:01:19.319 wasn't sure any of that prepared him for the call 24 00:01:19.400 --> 00:01:20.400 he was about to make. 25 00:01:21.359 --> 00:01:24.879 I've never delivered this kind of notification, so I'm about 26 00:01:24.879 --> 00:01:28.920 to change a family's life forever. I had to prepare 27 00:01:29.439 --> 00:01:31.439 what questions I was going to get asked, and I 28 00:01:31.519 --> 00:01:33.280 had a whole bunch of questions. My head was spinning 29 00:01:33.280 --> 00:01:36.920 that at that point in time, and I remember calling Paul. 30 00:01:37.799 --> 00:01:43.560 He didn't answer, so I left a voicemail, Hi, Paul, 31 00:01:43.599 --> 00:01:46.359 as Kenny Hart was gonna shippy, can you give me 32 00:01:46.359 --> 00:01:46.799 a call back? 33 00:01:46.840 --> 00:01:52.920 At three five, Kenny was trying to reach Paul Wolfe, 34 00:01:53.359 --> 00:01:56.799 a longtime college football coach who once led programs at 35 00:01:57.000 --> 00:02:01.000 Washington State in eastern Washington. But Kenny had only known 36 00:02:01.040 --> 00:02:03.719 Paul for a few months when they connected about a 37 00:02:03.799 --> 00:02:07.200 case that had captivated Kenny like few others in his career. 38 00:02:08.400 --> 00:02:10.639 There was a little relief that he didn't answer, because 39 00:02:10.639 --> 00:02:12.400 I don't know if I was fully ready to give 40 00:02:12.400 --> 00:02:15.759 that news yet. And I'm sitting in my office just 41 00:02:16.199 --> 00:02:19.080 like wow, had my door closed because I didn't want 42 00:02:19.080 --> 00:02:20.560 to talk to any of my detectives. I didn't want 43 00:02:20.560 --> 00:02:22.039 to be distracted because I knew the phone was going 44 00:02:22.080 --> 00:02:24.520 to ring, probably at any point in time. 45 00:02:25.360 --> 00:02:28.280 Kenny tried to steady his thoughts and select his words 46 00:02:28.280 --> 00:02:32.199 for when Paul called back. Forty one years earlier, in 47 00:02:32.319 --> 00:02:37.000 July of nineteen seventy nine, Paul's mother, Dolores Marie Wolf, 48 00:02:37.560 --> 00:02:41.479 vanished from her home in Woodland, California, a quiet suburb 49 00:02:41.520 --> 00:02:45.759 of Sacramento, about an hour's drive from Benetia. She was 50 00:02:45.840 --> 00:02:49.759 never seen or heard from again. That's why when Paul 51 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:52.960 called Kenny back, it was a conversation that neither man 52 00:02:53.039 --> 00:02:54.000 will ever forget. 53 00:02:55.240 --> 00:02:57.039 I think it was about five minutes later he called 54 00:02:57.039 --> 00:03:01.240 me back and he goes, hey, Kenny. The first words 55 00:03:01.240 --> 00:03:14.560 out of my mouth were, Paul, we found your mom. 56 00:03:14.800 --> 00:03:16.680 My name is Kyle Bonnagera. 57 00:03:16.879 --> 00:03:20.120 And I'm Adam Rittenberg. This is a story about a 58 00:03:20.120 --> 00:03:23.400 woman's disappearance, but it's really the story of a search, 59 00:03:24.120 --> 00:03:27.400 a relentless pursuit by a relentless group of people. 60 00:03:28.479 --> 00:03:32.520 I said, Wolf, you killed her. I know what everybody 61 00:03:32.520 --> 00:03:33.120 else knows it. 62 00:03:33.560 --> 00:03:36.719 We're going to start a holy rain of hell on him. 63 00:03:37.159 --> 00:03:41.400 You can tell me, or was the police tomorrow? Was 64 00:03:41.439 --> 00:03:44.080 she that? Or I can blow your head off. 65 00:03:45.439 --> 00:03:49.240 But without finding Dolores would there ever be justice or closure? 66 00:03:50.280 --> 00:03:52.800 Would her story fade into the night, just like she 67 00:03:52.960 --> 00:03:57.919 did in nineteen seventy nine. Four decades later, one phone 68 00:03:57.960 --> 00:04:03.080 call would change everything. From Free Range Productions This is 69 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:09.439 the Unforgotten Season three, Finding Dolores Wolf, Episode one, Life 70 00:04:09.479 --> 00:04:10.080 of the Party. 71 00:04:16.279 --> 00:04:18.680 The first time I heard Kenny Hart tell the story 72 00:04:18.759 --> 00:04:21.560 of how he found Delores Wolf, he was in the 73 00:04:21.600 --> 00:04:24.759 same chair where he made that call to Paul. It 74 00:04:24.839 --> 00:04:27.959 was the fall of twenty twenty, and Adam Rittenberg, my 75 00:04:28.120 --> 00:04:32.519 college at ESPN, and I were on zoom, completely captivated 76 00:04:32.639 --> 00:04:35.959 by what he was telling us. Kenny wore a blue 77 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:40.920 polo shirt with an embroidered badge that read Sergeant Venetia Police. 78 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:44.759 Behind him, a corkboard showed photos of his family, one 79 00:04:44.800 --> 00:04:47.519 of him in uniform, and a black and white photo 80 00:04:47.560 --> 00:04:50.160 of a woman with dark hair and a big smile. 81 00:04:50.959 --> 00:04:54.480 Adam and I saw it immediately. This was Dolores Wolf. 82 00:04:56.120 --> 00:04:58.959 We didn't know it back then, but Dolores's story would 83 00:04:59.040 --> 00:05:01.959 pull us in unlike anything we had reported on before. 84 00:05:03.160 --> 00:05:05.319 Kyle and I spent the next ten months working on 85 00:05:05.360 --> 00:05:08.759 a piece for ESPN dot com focused on Paul Wolf, 86 00:05:08.839 --> 00:05:12.519 the college football coach. Our story was published in August 87 00:05:12.560 --> 00:05:15.279 of twenty twenty one, but Kyle and I couldn't stop 88 00:05:15.319 --> 00:05:18.480 talking about it. We were captivated by the events that 89 00:05:18.560 --> 00:05:21.120 led to Kenny's call to Paul, and by all of 90 00:05:21.120 --> 00:05:24.240 the people connected to this case. We wanted to tell 91 00:05:24.279 --> 00:05:28.120 the complete story of what happened to Dolores, her disappearance, 92 00:05:28.759 --> 00:05:31.839 the search for her, and the incredible events that occurred 93 00:05:31.839 --> 00:05:34.560 in the years that followed. We will do that over 94 00:05:34.600 --> 00:05:39.079 the course of this podcast. The center of the story 95 00:05:39.160 --> 00:05:43.879 is Woodland, California. Technically a Sacramento suburb, Woodland has always 96 00:05:43.920 --> 00:05:47.600 had its own identity. Nicknamed the City of Trees in 97 00:05:47.639 --> 00:05:51.279 the nineteen thirties, it's a place where Victorian homes and 98 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:55.279 old oaks line the streets. Woodland had some dense pockets 99 00:05:55.279 --> 00:05:58.319 of homes and businesses, but it's also surrounded by a 100 00:05:58.439 --> 00:06:03.279 vast agricultural area filled with farms and ranches where fertile 101 00:06:03.279 --> 00:06:09.519 fields yield almonds, alfalfa, pistachios, and other crops. Woodland is 102 00:06:09.519 --> 00:06:12.759 where Dolores Wolf was born and raised. It's where she 103 00:06:12.800 --> 00:06:15.079 would then build a life that revolved around her four 104 00:06:15.160 --> 00:06:19.000 kids and a large family, and it's where she disappeared 105 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:25.959 from on the night of July thirty first, nineteen seventy nine. 106 00:06:27.199 --> 00:06:30.319 To fully understand Dolores and her life in Woodland, you 107 00:06:30.399 --> 00:06:33.360 have to begin with her family's journey. They were people 108 00:06:33.360 --> 00:06:36.079 who chose to travel halfway across the world for a 109 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:40.600 chance at a new beginning and ultimately the American dream. 110 00:06:41.279 --> 00:06:45.920 In nineteen seventeen, Frank Roacha, Doloris's father, and one of 111 00:06:45.959 --> 00:06:49.680 his brothers, left the Azores, a small chain of islands 112 00:06:49.759 --> 00:06:52.680 off the coast of Portugal, on a steamship to come 113 00:06:52.720 --> 00:06:57.920 to America. Settling in northern California, they became dairy farmers 114 00:06:58.000 --> 00:07:02.519 and grew alfalfa outside Woodland. Frank married a woman named Mary, 115 00:07:03.079 --> 00:07:06.319 and on November fourth, nineteen thirty three, they had their 116 00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:11.439 second child, naming her Dolores Marie. Here's Dolores's son, Paul. 117 00:07:12.120 --> 00:07:15.000 And again she grew up not speaking English. I had 118 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:18.560 to learn the language somewhere around that first second third grade. 119 00:07:18.959 --> 00:07:21.360 So you know, her and her siblings always got put 120 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:26.160 behind the years just because they're raised only speaking Portuguese. 121 00:07:25.800 --> 00:07:28.800 De Laurus grew especially close to her youngest brother, Matthew, 122 00:07:29.079 --> 00:07:31.120 who later in life became known as Slick. 123 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:34.360 She's about four or five years older than I, and 124 00:07:34.680 --> 00:07:37.480 she would read down in their comic books to me. 125 00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:40.959 We were real typed both like the joke and clown around. 126 00:07:41.560 --> 00:07:43.480 I remember one time I was walking by the middle 127 00:07:43.519 --> 00:07:45.959 bathroom that most people use, and she's stand in front 128 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:48.720 of the mirror and she knows them coming and she's 129 00:07:48.759 --> 00:07:49.879 looking in the mirror and she. 130 00:07:49.879 --> 00:07:53.439 Said, you're beautiful. You're gorgeous. You may be the most 131 00:07:53.480 --> 00:07:57.360 beautiful woman in the world. I said, knock off that crap. 132 00:07:58.519 --> 00:08:01.720 Several days later, Slick positioned himself in front of the 133 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:05.079 same mirror and waited for his big sister to pass by. 134 00:08:06.199 --> 00:08:09.879 That did wow, you are one good looking dude. 135 00:08:10.279 --> 00:08:12.399 But she's laughing and she go through on a corner. 136 00:08:12.600 --> 00:08:14.519 Did she stick to her head backer on a corner? 137 00:08:14.560 --> 00:08:17.279 And she says, is that mirror lying to you again? 138 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:21.639 Slick became an elite athlete in the area. Many thought 139 00:08:21.639 --> 00:08:25.560 he could have gone pro and baseball. Dolores, meanwhile, wasn't 140 00:08:25.560 --> 00:08:28.879 a natural in sports, but one time she convinced her 141 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:31.319 brother to come to one of her basketball games. 142 00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:34.440 He said, I'm the star of the team that says 143 00:08:34.440 --> 00:08:36.919 you gotta come watch me play. I go watch you play. 144 00:08:37.679 --> 00:08:41.480 H cramp. Well, I'll watch girls basketball. So I went 145 00:08:41.480 --> 00:08:43.519 out there. He never got it in a game. 146 00:08:45.039 --> 00:08:47.960 Deloris grew up in the Portuguese community, but she did 147 00:08:48.039 --> 00:08:51.120 not end up with a man of Portuguese descent. She 148 00:08:51.200 --> 00:08:54.519 met Carl Wolf in the Sacramento area. He was a 149 00:08:54.600 --> 00:08:58.200 large man, maybe six foot one too, twenty two hundred 150 00:08:58.200 --> 00:09:01.399 and thirty pounds, with dark hair. He had grown up 151 00:09:01.440 --> 00:09:04.240 on a farm in Minnesota without running water, and had 152 00:09:04.279 --> 00:09:07.759 moved to California shortly after high school. They were married 153 00:09:07.799 --> 00:09:10.440 in nineteen fifty five at a Catholic church in Davis, 154 00:09:10.960 --> 00:09:14.960 followed by a two week honeymoon back to Minnesota. Carl 155 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:18.879 made a good initial impression on Dolores's large family. Here's 156 00:09:18.879 --> 00:09:21.200 Delors's cousin, Tony Roache. 157 00:09:21.759 --> 00:09:25.080 He was very nice as I remember him. You know, 158 00:09:25.159 --> 00:09:27.679 he'd gone the driveway, we'd be all playing basketball. He'd 159 00:09:27.679 --> 00:09:29.919 come out and play basketball with you, stuff like that. 160 00:09:30.159 --> 00:09:31.600 So he was really well lived. 161 00:09:32.480 --> 00:09:35.320 The couple's first child was born in nineteen fifty seven, 162 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:38.600 and they also named him Carl, but everyone would call 163 00:09:38.679 --> 00:09:42.279 him Carly, and for the purpose of clarity in this podcast, 164 00:09:42.480 --> 00:09:46.080 so will we. Their daughter, Anna Marie, was born in 165 00:09:46.159 --> 00:09:49.360 nineteen fifty nine, and as far as anyone could tell, 166 00:09:49.559 --> 00:09:52.519 Carl and Dolores Wolf were a happy couple growing a 167 00:09:52.519 --> 00:09:56.840 family together. Tom was born in nineteen sixty three and 168 00:09:56.879 --> 00:10:00.840 finally Paul in nineteen sixty seven. Here's Tom. 169 00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:04.840 She was the best mother anybody could ever want. Her 170 00:10:04.960 --> 00:10:08.480 kids were always perfect, and that's how I grew up. 171 00:10:08.679 --> 00:10:12.399 We were always treated with her doing nothing but being 172 00:10:12.519 --> 00:10:16.759 positive and praising us and lifting us up. I truly 173 00:10:16.840 --> 00:10:20.440 believed I was great because of her. She was in 174 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:24.320 the middle of everything we did. Now, before I drove, 175 00:10:24.759 --> 00:10:26.519 she was going to pick us up at the end 176 00:10:26.600 --> 00:10:31.240 of basketball practice or football practice or something like that. 177 00:10:31.600 --> 00:10:34.000 We figured we'd wait for an hour or two before 178 00:10:34.000 --> 00:10:37.279 she made it because she was always late, and we 179 00:10:37.360 --> 00:10:39.320 just learned how to live with that. That was just 180 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:39.960 her nature. 181 00:10:40.879 --> 00:10:42.759 This is Delaur's nephew, David. 182 00:10:43.720 --> 00:10:48.080 I remember she was always smiling, always laughing, would pretty 183 00:10:48.159 --> 00:10:52.440 much do anything that we wanted as kids. If we 184 00:10:52.480 --> 00:10:55.320 wanted to go to McDonald's, she was the one that 185 00:10:55.360 --> 00:10:56.039 would take us. 186 00:10:56.440 --> 00:10:57.279 If I was. 187 00:10:57.240 --> 00:10:58.879 Going to spend the night over there. 188 00:10:59.159 --> 00:11:02.879 She was always for it, and she was always in 189 00:11:02.919 --> 00:11:05.279 a good mood, at least when I was around. 190 00:11:06.240 --> 00:11:09.080 After Deloris's kids grew older, she took a job as 191 00:11:09.080 --> 00:11:12.320 a secretary to the principal of Woodland High School, and 192 00:11:12.360 --> 00:11:15.600 she got to know everyone from the football team to 193 00:11:15.639 --> 00:11:19.600 the faculty to the cheerleaders. Most kids went to great 194 00:11:19.679 --> 00:11:22.799 lengths to avoid the principal's office, but they came to 195 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:25.480 see Dolores. Here's Tom. 196 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:30.399 The troublemakers loved her. The troublemakers were the ones that 197 00:11:30.440 --> 00:11:34.759 were in the office, and so she would deal with them. Yeah, 198 00:11:34.879 --> 00:11:39.080 some of my best friends were the troublemakers, and partially 199 00:11:39.159 --> 00:11:43.039 because they loved her and how that whole relationship was. 200 00:11:43.879 --> 00:11:47.000 The laws also remained very connected to her Portuguese roots. 201 00:11:47.600 --> 00:11:50.679 She served as president of the Yolo Cabrillo Civic Club, 202 00:11:50.919 --> 00:11:54.360 which raised scholarship money for high school students of Portuguese descent, 203 00:11:55.000 --> 00:11:58.519 and made sure her children understood their heritage. Here's Paul. 204 00:11:59.320 --> 00:12:02.360 We would always go to Portuguese functions, whether there are 205 00:12:02.360 --> 00:12:06.320 relatives or just they always have Portuguese feet. They call 206 00:12:06.399 --> 00:12:10.039 soapas feed, which is this disgusting orange soup with bread 207 00:12:10.519 --> 00:12:13.320 and I would never touch that crap. But we'd have 208 00:12:13.399 --> 00:12:16.879 all these things where we'd go to or the Cabrilla Club, 209 00:12:16.919 --> 00:12:19.679 which were local Portuguese functions that we were involved in, 210 00:12:19.720 --> 00:12:21.759 and you know, you do dances and those types of 211 00:12:21.759 --> 00:12:23.639 things as a child, We do all that stuff. 212 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:26.840 When we talk with members of her family, they all 213 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:31.159 describe to Laurus the same way, warm, funny, and devoted 214 00:12:31.159 --> 00:12:35.440 to her family and community. Maybe this is naive of us, 215 00:12:35.919 --> 00:12:38.799 but when we think of someone who disappears, we often 216 00:12:38.840 --> 00:12:45.000 imagine them isolated, unprotected, and vulnerable. The Laurus Wolf seem 217 00:12:45.080 --> 00:12:47.919 to have a strong support system around her. But there 218 00:12:48.000 --> 00:12:51.840 was another side to Dolores's life, a depressing reality she 219 00:12:51.919 --> 00:12:55.960 dealt with in private and occasionally in public. This is 220 00:12:56.000 --> 00:12:57.279 her sister in law Janet. 221 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:02.679 She always had chokes. She was very humorous, but then 222 00:13:02.720 --> 00:13:07.320 she had such a terrible sadness and crying over her 223 00:13:07.440 --> 00:13:08.960 life with Carl Wolf. 224 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:13.200 As Janet alluded to, the warmth and laughter that defined 225 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:18.279 Dolores's life, masked something much darker. After the break, Kyle 226 00:13:18.320 --> 00:13:21.200 will pull back the curtain to reveal the private torment 227 00:13:21.320 --> 00:13:21.919 she endured. 228 00:13:33.879 --> 00:13:36.720 No one in the family we spoke to could pinpoint 229 00:13:36.759 --> 00:13:41.480 when exactly the marriage started to unravel, but Janet remembers 230 00:13:41.600 --> 00:13:45.159 episodes of Dolores crying about how Carl treated her as 231 00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:48.440 far back as nineteen sixty three when they were pregnant. 232 00:13:48.440 --> 00:13:51.720 At the same time, this would have been when Dolores 233 00:13:51.799 --> 00:13:56.279 was pregnant with Tom, her third kid. Things got progressively 234 00:13:56.360 --> 00:13:59.799 worse as Carl's business has faltered. First there was a 235 00:13:59.799 --> 00:14:03.519 gas station in town, then a U haul business attached 236 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:08.279 to it. Those ventures had mixed results but ultimately failed. 237 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:13.399 As that happened, Carl started drinking more heavily, and those 238 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:16.279 on the roach of side began to worry about his behavior. 239 00:14:17.279 --> 00:14:20.279 My other cousin name also Carl. It was Carl Shu 240 00:14:20.440 --> 00:14:23.840 that he was my mom's nephew. He worked for Carl 241 00:14:23.879 --> 00:14:27.679 Wolf at the station. And Carl had went in and 242 00:14:27.759 --> 00:14:30.080 he used the bathkeroot while he was working his shift, 243 00:14:30.399 --> 00:14:33.799 and he noticed a hole in the wall and he 244 00:14:33.919 --> 00:14:36.679 glassed up there and he just thought, oh, I'm sure 245 00:14:36.720 --> 00:14:39.639 it's nothing. And he looked and he realized that you 246 00:14:39.679 --> 00:14:42.480 could see right into the office of the station through 247 00:14:42.519 --> 00:14:43.080 that hole. 248 00:14:44.039 --> 00:14:46.840 What Tony is suggesting here is that Carl was using 249 00:14:46.879 --> 00:14:49.320 the hole to act as a peeping tom. 250 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:53.679 That was clearly a sign that we're dealing with somebody 251 00:14:53.799 --> 00:14:54.559 that wasn't right. 252 00:14:55.799 --> 00:14:58.679 Another woman we spoke with, who's now eighty years old 253 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:01.759 and didn't want to be recorded for this podcast, told 254 00:15:01.799 --> 00:15:04.159 us her husband worked part time at the gas station. 255 00:15:05.279 --> 00:15:08.080 One day he saw Carl push Delores up against a 256 00:15:08.120 --> 00:15:11.840 wall of the station. The man confronted Carl about his 257 00:15:11.919 --> 00:15:14.840 treatment of Dolores, but was told to quote mind his 258 00:15:14.919 --> 00:15:18.159 own business. He never returned to work a day for 259 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:21.879 Carl Wolf again and didn't even collect his final paycheck. 260 00:15:22.759 --> 00:15:24.840 Carl just had a way of making people around him 261 00:15:24.840 --> 00:15:29.919 feel uncomfortable. After the gas station failed, Carl began working 262 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:33.039 at the Farm Bureau of Insurance company in Woodland, where 263 00:15:33.039 --> 00:15:37.799 he pursued his female secretary despite her clear rejection. She 264 00:15:37.879 --> 00:15:41.039 would tell police that Carl parked outside her home to 265 00:15:41.159 --> 00:15:43.759 watch her and that she eventually quit her job to 266 00:15:43.799 --> 00:15:46.840 get away from him. Here's dozen Debbie Baker. 267 00:15:48.039 --> 00:15:50.159 We would be over there and we'd spend the night, 268 00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:53.759 and we'd be sitting on the couch and watching TV, 269 00:15:55.000 --> 00:15:58.440 and the boys had gone and taken their shower bath 270 00:15:58.879 --> 00:16:01.200 in Each one of the boys would come out in 271 00:16:01.240 --> 00:16:04.720 their underwear. We were all kids. But then Wolf would 272 00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:08.240 come out too in his underwear and it wasn't boxers, 273 00:16:08.279 --> 00:16:11.720 it was you know, and I seeing a grown man 274 00:16:12.080 --> 00:16:14.399 and you're a kid in him dress like that, So 275 00:16:14.960 --> 00:16:16.840 he was a strange person. 276 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:21.519 On another occasion, Debbie, who was twenty three when Dolores 277 00:16:21.559 --> 00:16:24.399 went missing, was getting ready to take a bath at 278 00:16:24.399 --> 00:16:27.279 the wolf House, but Carl tried to make her do 279 00:16:27.399 --> 00:16:28.440 it with the door open. 280 00:16:29.519 --> 00:16:32.559 He tried it with me that I couldn't close the door, 281 00:16:32.879 --> 00:16:35.519 and then I, I'm not going to get in the bathtub, 282 00:16:36.559 --> 00:16:39.679 and I closed the door, and I think I locked 283 00:16:39.720 --> 00:16:41.679 it because I was afraid. 284 00:16:42.960 --> 00:16:47.200 Debbie also remembered Carl's drinking, something she witnessed firsthand. 285 00:16:48.200 --> 00:16:51.039 Above the ovens. There was a cupboard in he had 286 00:16:51.320 --> 00:16:54.159 vodka bottles, and he'd pull that out and just drink 287 00:16:54.279 --> 00:16:55.360 straight out of the bottle. 288 00:16:56.519 --> 00:16:59.720 Despite the story about the gas station incident, no one 289 00:16:59.759 --> 00:17:02.360 in the family was aware of any kind of physical 290 00:17:02.399 --> 00:17:06.240 abuse from Carl. If Carl was hitting Dolores, she never 291 00:17:06.279 --> 00:17:09.720 told anyone, and there was no obvious signs, bruises or 292 00:17:09.759 --> 00:17:13.000 anything like that. But that wasn't the case for Tom. 293 00:17:13.599 --> 00:17:16.400 He took a lot of physical abuse, so. 294 00:17:16.400 --> 00:17:17.680 We got into fights. 295 00:17:17.759 --> 00:17:21.440 I didn't have much of a chance against him physically 296 00:17:21.519 --> 00:17:23.880 at the time, so I didn't get very far. I 297 00:17:24.000 --> 00:17:26.079 just kind of took a beating, and then towards the 298 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:28.400 end where I started to fight back. Then we got 299 00:17:28.440 --> 00:17:31.920 into some pretty tough ones. And the worst one was 300 00:17:31.960 --> 00:17:33.799 I got hit across the side of the head and 301 00:17:33.839 --> 00:17:37.039 it popped my ear drum and had to have minor 302 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:38.559 surgery on that to fix that. 303 00:17:39.720 --> 00:17:42.519 When Carl and Dolores would get into arguments, it was 304 00:17:42.559 --> 00:17:45.720 common for her to call her brother Slick. He would 305 00:17:45.759 --> 00:17:47.839 come and get her and she would stay with him 306 00:17:47.839 --> 00:17:50.039 and Janet for a while as things cooled off. 307 00:17:50.960 --> 00:17:53.680 Well, one time she caught me up and how long 308 00:17:53.759 --> 00:17:55.680 before this has happened? To go get her? And I 309 00:17:55.720 --> 00:17:58.359 went and get her, and I was believe in he. 310 00:17:58.359 --> 00:17:59.000 Gethered at her. 311 00:17:59.039 --> 00:18:02.000 I'm going to kill you. I didn't think much of that. 312 00:18:02.279 --> 00:18:05.039 I felt like I was a whimp. No, I didn't 313 00:18:05.039 --> 00:18:08.119 say anything. I should have said, this has haunted me. 314 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:11.319 I should have said right then and there, if she dies, 315 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:14.039 you died, is what I should have said, But I 316 00:18:14.119 --> 00:18:14.960 didn't say anything. 317 00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:19.279 On one occasion, Dolores stayed with Slick for about a month. 318 00:18:20.279 --> 00:18:23.759 Then one day he returned home and saw her walking 319 00:18:23.839 --> 00:18:25.359 out with her luggage. 320 00:18:25.960 --> 00:18:28.519 Said, well, are you gone, Jiff, I'm going to go home. 321 00:18:28.519 --> 00:18:30.720 I say you can stay here, shif. I don't care 322 00:18:30.759 --> 00:18:32.799 if you stay here for the rest of your lives, 323 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:35.319 and she says no, Let's see if I can work 324 00:18:35.359 --> 00:18:35.680 it out. 325 00:18:36.680 --> 00:18:40.400 The pattern went on for years. Carl and Dolores would fight, 326 00:18:40.960 --> 00:18:43.599 one of them would leave, They would stay away for 327 00:18:43.759 --> 00:18:48.000 days or weeks, then try to reconcile. In April of 328 00:18:48.039 --> 00:18:51.240 nineteen seventy nine, it had gotten so bad at home 329 00:18:51.720 --> 00:18:54.880 that Dolores didn't just leave for a relative's place. She 330 00:18:55.000 --> 00:18:58.079 got her own apartment in town about five miles away, 331 00:18:59.240 --> 00:19:01.319 But all that seemed to do was make things worse. 332 00:19:02.119 --> 00:19:05.279 There was a consensus among the family that Carl felt 333 00:19:05.319 --> 00:19:08.759 so enraged by the idea of divorce and being forced 334 00:19:08.759 --> 00:19:12.279 to split their marital assets that dolores is moving out 335 00:19:12.480 --> 00:19:15.640 had the effect of an animal being backed into a corner. 336 00:19:17.240 --> 00:19:20.640 Cousin Tony lived in the same apartment complex Dolores moved to, 337 00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:23.440 and one night he received a call from his sister 338 00:19:23.559 --> 00:19:26.039 Mary asking him if he could go to the Little 339 00:19:26.119 --> 00:19:29.240 League fields because Carl had used an ice pick to 340 00:19:29.319 --> 00:19:33.720 pop the tires on Dolores's car. Dolores's son, Carly, was 341 00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:37.720 already there, but he could use an extra pair of hands. 342 00:19:37.640 --> 00:19:40.039 And I said, yeah, I'll help him. Tide to drive 343 00:19:40.079 --> 00:19:42.000 all over. I helped him. He had to go pick 344 00:19:42.079 --> 00:19:45.319 up tires and because she only had one spare and 345 00:19:45.640 --> 00:19:47.680 we fixed them all. Well, we'll get ready to leave. 346 00:19:48.039 --> 00:19:51.200 I go, Carl, you can go home. He's going back stampace. 347 00:19:51.240 --> 00:19:53.440 I'm going. I'll follow her back, make sure she gets 348 00:19:53.440 --> 00:19:54.119 to her apartment. 349 00:19:54.799 --> 00:19:57.799 When Tony arrived at the complex, Carl was waiting in 350 00:19:57.839 --> 00:19:59.000 the parking lot. 351 00:19:59.319 --> 00:20:01.680 Dolaws had just pulled into her parking spot. 352 00:20:01.839 --> 00:20:04.039 So I put my car on part and I went 353 00:20:04.200 --> 00:20:07.640 running towards her apartment. Because after she ran, he followed her. 354 00:20:07.839 --> 00:20:10.279 As back when you're twenty two years old and athletic. 355 00:20:10.400 --> 00:20:13.839 I beat Carl to the door, and he immediately stopped 356 00:20:13.880 --> 00:20:15.759 and started backpedaling. 357 00:20:15.359 --> 00:20:17.680 And I said, get the you know what out of here, 358 00:20:17.720 --> 00:20:19.920 wolf and you guys are crazy. I just want to 359 00:20:19.960 --> 00:20:20.400 talk to him. 360 00:20:21.039 --> 00:20:24.319 This came just after the family suspected Carl of trying 361 00:20:24.359 --> 00:20:25.519 to poison Dolores. 362 00:20:26.400 --> 00:20:28.960 She gave him a key to her apartment and at 363 00:20:28.960 --> 00:20:31.000 one point he put kerosene in her mouth. 364 00:20:31.279 --> 00:20:33.400 And the reason we know it was kerosene because she 365 00:20:33.559 --> 00:20:34.400 just smelled it. 366 00:20:34.640 --> 00:20:36.839 And then she gave it to my sister married and 367 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:38.920 she worked at the health department. She took it helps 368 00:20:38.920 --> 00:20:40.880 one had to test it and it was confirmed to 369 00:20:40.880 --> 00:20:42.880 be kerosene. 370 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:51.319 For me, this story was something that I've always had 371 00:20:51.359 --> 00:20:54.799 a tough time trying to, you know, to understand, because 372 00:20:54.799 --> 00:20:57.000 even if they didn't believe Carl was going to go 373 00:20:57.039 --> 00:20:59.839 through with his threats, the fact that there was Ki 374 00:21:00.119 --> 00:21:03.119 seen in her milk felt like a clear attempt to 375 00:21:03.200 --> 00:21:05.920 kill Dolores. I don't know how else you could look 376 00:21:05.920 --> 00:21:07.599 at that and come to any other conclusion. 377 00:21:08.039 --> 00:21:11.480 Right, it shows a level of sophistication beyond a drunk eye, 378 00:21:11.599 --> 00:21:14.960 you know, just kind of rambling and making threats, sometimes 379 00:21:15.160 --> 00:21:18.200 not drunk and more direct. But this is a clear attempt, 380 00:21:18.240 --> 00:21:21.880 like you said, and you know it was brazen. I mean, 381 00:21:21.880 --> 00:21:23.559 it was something that I think could have been traced 382 00:21:23.599 --> 00:21:27.759 back to Carl Wolf, but also maybe provides a peek 383 00:21:27.839 --> 00:21:31.160 inside what he was thinking and how he was plotting 384 00:21:31.599 --> 00:21:35.200 to actually have this as an option to get rid 385 00:21:35.240 --> 00:21:37.759 of his wife as opposed to you know, just the 386 00:21:38.240 --> 00:21:40.480 just the verbal threats against their life. 387 00:21:41.079 --> 00:21:43.799 Yeah, there's a level of premeditation to this, but I 388 00:21:43.799 --> 00:21:46.839 think that's really important when you're talking about a potential 389 00:21:46.920 --> 00:21:50.200 murder a disappearance. In some cases, if there's an accident, 390 00:21:50.279 --> 00:21:52.400 you could try to explain it another way, But you 391 00:21:52.440 --> 00:21:54.920 can't explain this If there's kirascene in milk. It was 392 00:21:54.960 --> 00:21:57.039 clearly put there by a person with the intent to 393 00:21:57.079 --> 00:22:00.200 do harm and to do nothing about that after it 394 00:22:00.440 --> 00:22:03.440 was found. There's really not a good explanation for that 395 00:22:03.480 --> 00:22:03.960 part either. 396 00:22:04.240 --> 00:22:07.000 Well, yeah, other than the fact that Dolores just had 397 00:22:07.039 --> 00:22:09.640 this block against taking the next step going to the 398 00:22:09.640 --> 00:22:12.720 police filling out a full report about all the threats 399 00:22:12.799 --> 00:22:14.759 that Karl had made against her. But to me, Kyle, 400 00:22:14.759 --> 00:22:18.160 it makes me again think about her family not taking 401 00:22:18.279 --> 00:22:22.119