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<v Speaker 1>Yes, indeed, it is that time. Doctor Webs and I

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<v Speaker 1>cannot get enough of our little theme opening. It is

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<v Speaker 1>so jugling, it just makes you on the rock. It

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<v Speaker 1>is time, always, time to make that change for justice.

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<v Speaker 1>You are listening to Truth Time with doctor Corna West

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<v Speaker 1>and Nina trying to recount it all joy per usual

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<v Speaker 1>that we are all here together today, so much to cover.

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<v Speaker 1>We got Mayor Bass and acts a curfew. Congresswoman Monica

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<v Speaker 1>McKeever was hit with federal charges. They're charging her for

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<v Speaker 1>saying that she assaulted assault chargers. So we'll talk about that.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you know how this president is using military forces.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it goes on and on, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>going to continue to be a very big story as

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<v Speaker 1>we move into Saturday, which is Flag Day, which is

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<v Speaker 1>President Trump's birthday, and how he's bringing haink seeing and

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<v Speaker 1>military equipment being flown in from all over the country

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<v Speaker 1>to the tune of one hundred and well that's forty

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars, and then what he's doing in California is

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and thirty four million dollars. And DoD gotta

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<v Speaker 1>tell you just reminds me of some of those the

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<v Speaker 1>authoritarian regimes that we see in places like Russia and

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<v Speaker 1>China to have this kind of this full display. And

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<v Speaker 1>as Republicans are being asked about the parade itself, they

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<v Speaker 1>can barely justify it, especially when you've got a homeless

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<v Speaker 1>in house population among veterans. So we're bringing this to

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<v Speaker 1>you because all of this stuff is happening in real time,

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<v Speaker 1>and Doctor West and I always want to remind you

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<v Speaker 1>that even though we understand what is happening, we must

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<v Speaker 1>never lose hope and determination to change things. And so

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<v Speaker 1>the eruptions that we see, or the use of the

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<v Speaker 1>First Amendment to assemble and petition one's government, because I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to say eruptions, but the bubbling up of

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<v Speaker 1>people that we see all over the country is really

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<v Speaker 1>in response to how this government is comporting itself and

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<v Speaker 1>how people are just fed up, Doc, And they cannot

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<v Speaker 1>no longer say that this is happening because of one

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<v Speaker 1>political party or another. I mean, this really has nothing

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<v Speaker 1>to do with the Democrats. Democrats couldn't pull nothing off

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<v Speaker 1>like this. If they try. They just ain't got the

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<v Speaker 1>They ain't got the they ain't got the hooks. But

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<v Speaker 1>to do it, they ain't got the nerves to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that this is truly a bubbling up of

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<v Speaker 1>people who are disgraced by what they are seeing, and

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<v Speaker 1>some who also voted for President Trump. They did not

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<v Speaker 1>vote for this. But here we are, doc you are

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<v Speaker 1>in the house. What is on your heart, your soul,

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<v Speaker 1>and your mind on this day one?

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<v Speaker 2>I just love your salute to the Whinings and this

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<v Speaker 2>magnificent song that's been introducing us now for nearly six months.

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<v Speaker 2>They represent the best, so much of the best of Detroit,

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<v Speaker 2>is so much the best of black music and black culture.

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<v Speaker 2>Because we have to keep our joy, we have to

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<v Speaker 2>keep our sense of memory, and we have to keep

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<v Speaker 2>our love and courage under all circumstances.

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<v Speaker 3>Says, yes, circumstance.

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<v Speaker 2>I would go as far even to invoke the fifth

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<v Speaker 2>Chapter as their Salonians, where my Bible tells me one

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<v Speaker 2>should be thankful in all circumstances. That's what it means

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<v Speaker 2>to pray unceasingly, which is to say, that doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 2>you deny the ugliness, deny the hatred, deny the terrory,

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<v Speaker 2>deny the trauma. Now it just means you counting your

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<v Speaker 2>blessings because you glad you still have a self that

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<v Speaker 2>is struggling, fighting still loving against the hatred, against the oppression,

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<v Speaker 2>against the trauma, against all the lies, against all the crimes.

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<v Speaker 3>And so when I think of where we are.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, especially in beloved at Los Angeles, I say

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<v Speaker 2>to myself, what is it about LA? You know, it

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<v Speaker 2>was August nineteen sixty five that really turned the corner

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<v Speaker 2>on the sixties.

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<v Speaker 4>That's Los Angeles. Yeah, Rodney King ninety two, Los Angeles

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<v Speaker 4>twenty twenty five, that's Lost Angelus.

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<v Speaker 3>And there's so many things in between it.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, somebody grew up in Sacramento, you know, I got

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<v Speaker 2>a bias toward California. But I've been on the East

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<v Speaker 2>Coast for fifty years, living in Harlem now for many

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<v Speaker 2>many years. But LA is still the center of the

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<v Speaker 2>empire when it comes to keeping track of the new

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<v Speaker 2>tendencies and development. And I think very much like are

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<v Speaker 2>witnessing actual genocide and real time in Gaza and not

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<v Speaker 2>being able to stop it. Right now, we're witnessing the

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<v Speaker 2>implosion and the explosion of the US Empire, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to see whether we can we can stop it

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<v Speaker 2>or at least transform it in a much more progressive direction.

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<v Speaker 2>But when you see Trump just out of control, the

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<v Speaker 2>gangsterism just running a mark, and it's not just in

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<v Speaker 2>Los Angeles, La again becomes the center point. But you

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<v Speaker 2>got what's happening in God's what's happening in Sudan, the

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<v Speaker 2>military rism all around the world, militarizing that's at home,

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<v Speaker 2>the corruption of the elites across the board, the helplessness

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<v Speaker 2>of the citizens, so many young people not able to

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<v Speaker 2>gain assets to the best of who they are and

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<v Speaker 2>what has gone into them in terms of their own tradition,

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of their own history and heritage. It reinforces

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<v Speaker 2>the worst in human beings, which is always the greed

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<v Speaker 2>and the hatred, the coward late and it's always the

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<v Speaker 2>envy and resentment rather than the courage.

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<v Speaker 3>To compassion, the vision, the service to others.

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<v Speaker 2>And highlighting the plight of the least of these, of

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<v Speaker 2>the vulnerable and the weak, the oppressed, colonized and subjugated.

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<v Speaker 2>And so where we are now is in so many

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<v Speaker 2>ways just so undeniable in terms of what is happening

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<v Speaker 2>before our very eyes. And Saturday is going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a bigger manifestation of it.

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<v Speaker 1>It really is. Doctor You know if I were one

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<v Speaker 1>of them, I would just be ashamed of myself. But

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<v Speaker 1>they are too unaware to be ashamed of turning other

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<v Speaker 1>Americans against other Americans or against immigrants. Regardless, Let's deal

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<v Speaker 1>with a border. You know, security, We can deal with

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<v Speaker 1>all of those things, but you don't have to deal

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<v Speaker 1>with those things this way. And what President Trump is

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<v Speaker 1>doing is not making America any more secure. As a

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<v Speaker 1>matter of fact, it makes us more vulner honerablebleok that

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<v Speaker 1>that is really what he's wreaking havoc and listening the

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<v Speaker 1>truth time, doctor Cornell West and even Turner. When we

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<v Speaker 1>come forward, we will continue. Yeah, do not forget that

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<v Speaker 1>the four year anniversary for this networks called it the network.

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<v Speaker 1>This this this magnific sense pro black, pro progressive network

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<v Speaker 1>that I want to know the brother Tavis Smiley has created,

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<v Speaker 1>along with the amazing team, about to celebrate four years, Doc,

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<v Speaker 1>and you are going to be there in the celebration,

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<v Speaker 1>so will Jesse Jackson Junior is going to be in

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<v Speaker 1>the house and a whole host of folks celebrating four

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<v Speaker 1>years of magnificence and four years of bringing the news

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<v Speaker 1>in a way that very few networks or radio stations

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<v Speaker 1>will bring it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the truth.

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<v Speaker 2>And you can see that year after year after year

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<v Speaker 2>having carriage to speak against the green Sometimes that even

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<v Speaker 2>includes having to criticize black folk and black leadership.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's in deep black up.

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<v Speaker 2>It has a lot to do with just human beings

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<v Speaker 2>across the board being in need of critique and correction,

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<v Speaker 2>in ourselves being open to being critiqued and corrected.

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<v Speaker 1>That is it, and showing lots of love to the

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<v Speaker 1>two communities in need. The Alta Dina outreach and coverage

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<v Speaker 1>by far going deep and not allowing anybody to forget

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<v Speaker 1>the residents of Alta Dina, and they are about four

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<v Speaker 1>events happening. Please make sure that you go and sign up.

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<v Speaker 1>And for the Juneteenth celebration, the barbecue part of the celebration,

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<v Speaker 1>please bring a gift card of any amount if you can,

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<v Speaker 1>and those gift cards are going to be shared with

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<v Speaker 1>the residents of Alta Dina who are still suffering. Even

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<v Speaker 1>though the media is not taught, other media outlets are

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<v Speaker 1>not talking about it as much, the pain is still

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<v Speaker 1>there and the promise is still there as well in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of rebuilding and doctor West again. I gotta give

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<v Speaker 1>it to brother Tavis and others in the greater community

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<v Speaker 1>who have come together to make sure that those residents

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<v Speaker 1>have what they need, their basic necessities, and that they

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<v Speaker 1>are not forgotten about. So as much as this is

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<v Speaker 1>about the four year celebration or anniversary of KBLA Talk

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen eighty, it is as much about giving back to

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<v Speaker 1>the community as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, I know they got Brother James Barr been doing

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<v Speaker 2>the magnificent job keeping track on the ground what's happening,

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<v Speaker 2>always in touch with the humanity of those precious black

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<v Speaker 2>folking out to Dina, no matter what the mainstream media

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<v Speaker 2>has to.

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<v Speaker 1>Say, no matter what they have to say, And that

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<v Speaker 1>is why it is so important that we have our

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<v Speaker 1>own media outlets in the tradition of the black press,

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<v Speaker 1>where oftentimes it is the only place that you can

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<v Speaker 1>go to get news that is seen through the lens

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<v Speaker 1>of the black experience. Exactly right, Happy anniversary KBLA Talk

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen eighty. Bait. We love you. We love you, even

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<v Speaker 1>you know, putting the little license on that doc. You

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<v Speaker 1>and I are here, but that love expands beyond us

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<v Speaker 1>having truth time. So please please please join in and

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<v Speaker 1>support the network, support the radio station. So doctor the

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<v Speaker 1>New Jersey Democrat Congresswoman Lamonica McIver was indicted on federal charges.

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<v Speaker 1>This particular reporting that we've been looking at the news

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<v Speaker 1>articles with this one in particular coming from CBS News

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<v Speaker 1>and they're saying that she's being charged with assault on

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<v Speaker 1>federal law enforcement officers doing a clash. This happened last month.

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<v Speaker 1>We covered this. Mayor, the mayor of New Jersey was

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<v Speaker 1>there the Congress. So let me back up. Congress members

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<v Speaker 1>do have a right to inspect federal facilities or facilities

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<v Speaker 1>operating under the auspices of the federal government, and they

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<v Speaker 1>do not have to get the permission of the President

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<v Speaker 1>to go visit. They are supposed to be allowed in.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't have to make an appointment. The tensions are

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<v Speaker 1>so thick that these facilities are not operating the way

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<v Speaker 1>that they should and congress members are being treated like

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<v Speaker 1>they just average people off the street. These facilities are

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<v Speaker 1>not adhering to the rules and what is supposed to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>So there are about three congress members and then Mayor

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<v Speaker 1>Roz Baraka was there and the congress members were trying

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<v Speaker 1>to protect him. People may remember he was arrested. Chargers

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<v Speaker 1>were filed on him as well. Those charges have subsequently

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<v Speaker 1>been dropped, but now they are charges against the congresswoman,

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<v Speaker 1>saying that she assaulted agents of Homeland Security. Now she

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<v Speaker 1>has come out and says she's to plead not guilty

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<v Speaker 1>and that this is an overreach by the Trump administration

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<v Speaker 1>and what they are doing is meant to intimidate her

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<v Speaker 1>and also send a chilling effect to anybody else that

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<v Speaker 1>does not have an extra special title. Now the charge

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<v Speaker 1>is being filed by Hobba, and she is a coach

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<v Speaker 1>Trump ally, and it's important to understand that she also

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<v Speaker 1>served as his personal attorney in his New York criminal trial.

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<v Speaker 1>So you can connect the dots, you can follow the

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<v Speaker 1>breadcrumbs and ask yourself the question, is this fair or

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<v Speaker 1>is this political revenge?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm thoroughly convinced that it's a mobilizing and weaponizing

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<v Speaker 2>of the Department of Justice.

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<v Speaker 3>The targets certain folk.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was just with brother Rosborock twice in the

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<v Speaker 2>hope he did marvelously yesterday. I still got to check

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<v Speaker 2>and see in the election running for governor. But he

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<v Speaker 2>as well as the fellow congress sister were in no

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<v Speaker 2>way involved in any kind of assault or attack. We've

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<v Speaker 2>seen the video. You see, it's just all intimidation problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Brother Tavis's wonderful interview with the mayor this morning. Sister

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<v Speaker 2>Karen Bass when she talked about in the sixties they

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<v Speaker 2>had these agent provocateurs who are always embedded within certain

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<v Speaker 2>certain things, try to provoke them, try to intimidate them. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>is certainly one. I'm glad she has the curt tell

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you know, good God Almighty, you know, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>That's exactly right. And even if she prevails, the amount

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<v Speaker 1>Donald J. Trump during his New York trials. Now, certainly

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<v Speaker 1>not out of the ordinary for a president or political

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<v Speaker 1>figure to elevate people who have been in their orbit.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not out of the ordinary. So doctor Weston, I

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<v Speaker 1>What should not be accepted for political figures to use

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<v Speaker 1>people who may hold different political views. And the reason

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<v Speaker 1>why I corrected myself, Dot, and we're centering Donald J.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump for what he's doing right now. He has to

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<v Speaker 1>be responsible for his actions. But we certainly know throughout

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<v Speaker 1>the course of American history that both Democrats and Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>have weaponized their power. And that's why I kind of

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<v Speaker 1>of those. It is a systemic failure, it's a human failure,

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<v Speaker 1>to seek revenge. And Number two it is absolute power, corrupting,

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely and that just that expands beyond the Republican side

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<v Speaker 3>That's exactly right.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the Democrats have done have their own versions

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<v Speaker 3>We we know that that's just a fundamentication.

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<v Speaker 2>I won't even get into that when it comes to

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<v Speaker 3>So we've seen this on both sides.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the political spectrum in terms of political parties. But

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<v Speaker 2>the thing is that we want to be morally consistent

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<v Speaker 2>not guilty, they're not guilty. When people are weaponizing, they're

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<v Speaker 2>weaponizing no matter who they are, is wrong. It's unjustice

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<v Speaker 2>and moral and we will not put up with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Not at all. We're going to tell the truth here

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<v Speaker 1>on truth Time. So to the congresswoman and her team

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<v Speaker 1>lifting them up. Please, if you have family and friends

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<v Speaker 1>in New Jersey who maybe even the congresswoman represents, you

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<v Speaker 1>know you guys, show show some love. If you utilize

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<v Speaker 1>not be anything that you can do as an individual,

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<v Speaker 1>but collectively we can be prayed up. Collectively, we can

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<v Speaker 1>send positive energy towards her collectively. There are things that

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<v Speaker 1>we can do to let the congress Woman know that

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<v Speaker 1>we know exactly what's going on in this situation and

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<v Speaker 1>that people are just not gonna stand by and let

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<v Speaker 1>this happen. For every action, there is an eco and

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<v Speaker 1>opposite reaction. And I do believe doc And we play

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<v Speaker 1>this clip all the time a lot of times in

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<v Speaker 1>the intro outros of our show. You know that really

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<v Speaker 1>truth crushed down to the earth, it will rise again.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just a matter of time. Sometimes it rises quickly

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<v Speaker 1>and sometimes it rises slowly. But make no mistake about it,

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<v Speaker 1>it will rise again in this moment in our collective

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<v Speaker 1>American and world history, we'll be exposed for what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>That's exactly right. I mean, the flip side of what

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<v Speaker 2>you did said it is. No lie can live forever,

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<v Speaker 2>No no set of crimes can remain hidden forever. Soon later.

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<v Speaker 3>You're gonna have to come to terms. Put it, God,

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<v Speaker 3>it not mark what.

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<v Speaker 1>Just so? Shall you read amen to that? Yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not just absolutely disgusted by it. I think people should

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<v Speaker 1>be disgusted by it. We just can't sit back and

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<v Speaker 1>allow these kinds of things to happen without being discussed

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<v Speaker 1>by it. So speaking of discussing thing, what also is

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<v Speaker 1>in connection with us we again as we move into

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<v Speaker 1>Flag Day on Saturday, President Donald J. Trump's birthday, and

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<v Speaker 1>how he is utilizing the power of the people again

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<v Speaker 1>to stoke more fear, to show his authoritarian nature by

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<v Speaker 1>the capital of the United States of America, which is

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<v Speaker 1>the District of Columbia. Not only is it a total

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<v Speaker 1>waste of money, doctors, there's a deeper message that President

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<v Speaker 1>Donald J. Trump is sending, I believe, both internationally and domestically.

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<v Speaker 2>And part of the message that Trump doesn't even realize

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<v Speaker 2>he's sending is his conception of greatness has ninety eight

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<v Speaker 2>percent to do with military might and ain't got duly

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<v Speaker 2>squat to do with moral substance. And if all you

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<v Speaker 2>can depend on is your military might, then it's clear

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<v Speaker 2>that your empire is falling. Because if you don't have spirit,

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<v Speaker 2>if you don't have if you don't have spirituality, if

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have legitimacy, then all you can fall is

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<v Speaker 2>brute force and raw power, and raw power never ever

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it has. It has its limits, even though it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't feel that way in the moment. You're listening to

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<v Speaker 1>Truth Time with doctor Cornell West and Nina Turner. When

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<v Speaker 1>we come forward, will continue to talk about what is

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<v Speaker 1>happening in la across this country and the impact that

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<v Speaker 1>it has on all of us. Indeed, and we are back,

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<v Speaker 1>how do we keep our joy in the face of

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<v Speaker 1>all that is happening in our nation and in our world.

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<v Speaker 1>We're keeping you up to data and sharing our thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>both us individually and also collectively, how the chilling effects

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<v Speaker 1>of absolute power are used against citizens, even those with

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<v Speaker 1>extra special titles. Docet. It just so aproposed that we

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<v Speaker 1>always wrap up by saying titles are good, but purpose

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<v Speaker 1>is better, because we're seeing that this president is coming

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<v Speaker 1>after people who have some of the highest titles in

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<v Speaker 1>the country that cannot shield them from him really being

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<v Speaker 1>a bully and his ego. It's just all over the place.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he's worse than a toddler, and that's an

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<v Speaker 1>insult to toddlers. Let me just back up and say

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<v Speaker 1>to all the toddlers of the world, I mean no harm.

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<v Speaker 1>Me I ain't mean no harm, but this, this is serious.

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<v Speaker 1>In this wake up call, I hope that as people

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<v Speaker 1>are waking up to this brute in our face forced

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<v Speaker 1>that we understand collectively that there always been flashpoints in

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<v Speaker 1>the history of this country where some president has comported themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe not exactly this way, but certain has abused power

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<v Speaker 1>to uh to to to cause people to have fear.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, even when I think about the Iraqi War

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<v Speaker 1>who wanted peace, and I think it was a congresswoman

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<v Speaker 1>was it, Congresswoman Bass At the time, only one congress person,

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<v Speaker 1>guess voted against it. I remember when the Dixie Chicks UH,

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<v Speaker 1>songs went down. People called them traders and all manner

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<v Speaker 1>called them women everything but y'ad of God because they

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<v Speaker 1>had a courage of foresight. And now turns out that

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<v Speaker 1>they were absolutely right. So again, I mean, do we

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<v Speaker 1>can give I don't know what other examples come to mind.

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<v Speaker 1>We're sharing is just to say, even though this moment

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<v Speaker 1>in our country's recent and especially past history where intimidation

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<v Speaker 1>and political power and brute force. Don't get us started

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<v Speaker 1>about talking about the nineteen fifties and the sixties, because

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<v Speaker 1>were always met with government force every time.

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<v Speaker 2>Every time and co and tell probe meant that they

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<v Speaker 2>were willing to send some bullets targeting some of our

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<v Speaker 2>beloved folks. And so it's very clear that that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of repression goes hand in hand with the history of

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<v Speaker 2>the country. So we shouldn't be surprised by these contemporary

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<v Speaker 2>forms of repression to take the form of intimidation and provacation,

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<v Speaker 2>manipulation and lives and of course, in the end just

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure that those will escalate definitely.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, the thing I think it's also important

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<v Speaker 2>to keep in mind we think of where we are presently,

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<v Speaker 2>is that there is a consistent and constant cloud of

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<v Speaker 2>witnesses who are willing to pay the price and bear

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<v Speaker 2>the burden and tell the truth and seek the justice

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<v Speaker 2>and the zero in on their work, their witness, their service,

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<v Speaker 2>their willingness to sacrifice more than any time.

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<v Speaker 3>We need to zero in them. We really do, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And there's some incredible folks out there. Even in the

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<v Speaker 1>face of all this, even Congressom of Lamonica, knowing full

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<v Speaker 1>well what could happen, you have people who have taken

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<v Speaker 1>there could be a consequence. For we certainly have seen

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<v Speaker 1>footage of police. Unfortunately, you know, they carried a militarization

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<v Speaker 1>spirit as well. Doesn't have to be military force to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of stuff. But people are still out there lifting

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<v Speaker 1>their voices and talking about making it clear that what

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<v Speaker 1>is happening in this country right now is wrong. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to go to our chat on the tube. Doctor.

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<v Speaker 1>liberation time. Good afternoon, Truth Warriors, Good afternoon, b BL,

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<v Speaker 1>blessed peace, Baker in the house. Greetings and much love warriors.

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<v Speaker 1>Selena Rix, where you've been, Sister Selena. I haven't seen

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<v Speaker 1>sister Selena in our chat doc. We missed her. So

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<v Speaker 1>glad that she is back. Bravo. It's truth time. Amen,

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<v Speaker 1>exclamation point, hand clap emojis and the prayer emoji. We

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<v Speaker 1>glad to have you back in the house. Is Andrea

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<v Speaker 1>g Good afternoon. It is vital to stay spiritual aligned,

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<v Speaker 1>especially these days.

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<v Speaker 2>That's exactly right. In times like these, we all need

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<v Speaker 2>an anchor. You got to be sure, very very very

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<v Speaker 2>sure that your anchor holds.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it. If it don't hold, it ain't much of

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<v Speaker 1>an anchor, ain't lying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we gotta do that.

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<v Speaker 1>We have and so Selena and so the community. They

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<v Speaker 1>talk back and forth to each other, which I think

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<v Speaker 1>is a beautiful thing. And then since the Selena further

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<v Speaker 1>right rights calling on our ancestors for strength for the fight. Amen.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, no, that's that's a profound insight.

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<v Speaker 1>It is the past, the president, and the future. God

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<v Speaker 1>knows we need those ancestors. Stan Williams in the house.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to create good trouble.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a famous quote by congress Woman, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>Congressman John Lewis making good trouble. We have to create

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<v Speaker 1>good trouble. If our ancestors didn't fight, we still be

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<v Speaker 1>in bondage. We still be dealing with Jim and Jane Crow.

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<v Speaker 1>We still not have the franchise or franchiseman. So Brother

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<v Speaker 1>Stan is absolutely right. We have we can't lose sight

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<v Speaker 1>of in the current day fight the battles that we

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<v Speaker 1>have won. But the thing is that this is the

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<v Speaker 1>thing we can't gets so comfortable thinking that, the fact

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<v Speaker 1>the past battles that we have won, they're never always

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<v Speaker 1>fever because there's always gonna be the opposite force trying

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<v Speaker 1>to pull us back. And we're seeing that right now.

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<v Speaker 3>That's exactly right.

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<v Speaker 2>Angela David said, freedom is an endless struggle the moments

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<v Speaker 2>of liberation, but freedom is an in list struggle.

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<v Speaker 3>She's absolutely right about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, amen. And then a local pastor here he's emeritis

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<v Speaker 1>now a Reverend ODIs Moss Junior. And I think Reverend

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<v Speaker 1>oldis moster third, he's a preacher now to forget it

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<v Speaker 1>what Citi's in. But yeah, where's where's he?

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<v Speaker 5>Doc?

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<v Speaker 3>Is that Trinity Church's at Dremiah Rights Old Church, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>old House brother.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, well his dad, you know, yeah here here

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<v Speaker 1>in Cleveland. And Reverend Oldest Moss Jr. Has Has a

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<v Speaker 1>saying I think it goes something like the struggle is forever,

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<v Speaker 1>so we are forever in the struggle.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, good God of money, what a giant he is

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<v Speaker 2>the oldest Moss Jr.

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<v Speaker 3>Is still going at all? Is it Mount Olive?

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<v Speaker 1>Mount olivet Institutional that church? Yes, we are forever in

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<v Speaker 1>the struggle. The struggle is forever, so we are forever

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<v Speaker 1>in the struggle. So so profound, and I totally agree.

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<v Speaker 1>We got Jesse Paris a kha Nakoume peace and much

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<v Speaker 1>loved after Cornell West and Senator Nina Turner from Denver, Colorado.

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<v Speaker 1>We are sending that piece right back to you. We have.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's Ed Marie. My apologies if I'm mispronounced

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<v Speaker 1>your first name. What actions are folks demanding and demonstrating?

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<v Speaker 1>That is such a good question. The people are demanding that,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're out there. I don't know if if you

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<v Speaker 1>mean in this moment, but people are demanding fairness under

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<v Speaker 1>the law. They're demanding that this president stopped, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>using the power that he has and weaponizing and against

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<v Speaker 1>the American people. And they're out there in the streets.

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<v Speaker 1>I think certainly people like Governor Knew, some who I

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<v Speaker 1>don't always agree with, but filed a lawsuit against Trump

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<v Speaker 1>administration and other things. So every day people are out

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<v Speaker 1>there in the streets, and some elected officials are trying

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<v Speaker 1>out trying to figure out how through the legal system

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to push back on what President Donald J.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump is doing. You're listening to Truth Time with doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Cornell West, They Needa Turner. When we come forward, we

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<v Speaker 1>will continue this discussion. Yes you are, and we are

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<v Speaker 1>so glad you are not going to go deeper into

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<v Speaker 1>what system. Marie uh In asking and have your response

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<v Speaker 1>to it. When she asked what actions are folks demanding

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<v Speaker 1>and demonstrating, she goes on to say, we can't wait

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<v Speaker 1>for history.

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<v Speaker 2>M M lord, lord, and I think we got to

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<v Speaker 2>look at our brothers and sisters industry who are trying

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<v Speaker 2>to bear witness to a sense of fairness and justice

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<v Speaker 2>that's required for our precious immigrant brothers and sisters and siblings.

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<v Speaker 2>On two levels. One is the question of humane treatment. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>human is not a specific policy. It is a recognition

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<v Speaker 2>of the dignity and sanctity of each human person.

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<v Speaker 3>And if you.

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<v Speaker 2>Vilify and demonize immigrants, of black people, of brown people,

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<v Speaker 2>are anybody Palestinian Jews whoever it is is wrong. And

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<v Speaker 2>the tone and the timber of what's coming out of

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<v Speaker 2>the gangsterized White house is one that has little to

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<v Speaker 2>do with the dignity and sanctity of immigrants. It's hateful,

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<v Speaker 2>it's vengeful, it's hostile, and it's inhumane before you even

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<v Speaker 2>get to the.

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<v Speaker 1>Policy, yes, sir, and it does nothing to keep us safe.

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<v Speaker 1>It has nothing to do with the border.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the policy, you see, is a different thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is where the debate takes place. How do

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<v Speaker 2>you translate that humane treatment in the way that you

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<v Speaker 2>steal acknowledge, you know, the need for borders to be

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<v Speaker 2>in place, the need for treating citizens who have been

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<v Speaker 2>here for a long time fairly so that the resources

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<v Speaker 2>are not taken from them. This is a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>black folk think, well, what resource is going to be

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<v Speaker 2>taken from black folk and given to the new immigrants?

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<v Speaker 2>And therefore you pit these various folk fighting for crumbs

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<v Speaker 2>against each other. So that's a different kind of discussion.

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<v Speaker 2>But we got to keep both levels operative because you see,

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<v Speaker 2>once you just allow hatred to run a monk, I

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<v Speaker 2>think that sooner or later it's not going to be

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<v Speaker 2>on its way to your house.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it. We're linked, I mean instricably linked, whether we

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<v Speaker 1>like it or not, and recognize it in real time.

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<v Speaker 1>So I really think Sister Edie Marie for posing those

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<v Speaker 1>that Sister Rebecca in the house, she writes Mayor Karen

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<v Speaker 1>Bass needs to be held accountable for LAPD shooting on

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<v Speaker 1>peaceful protesters and journalists tear gas and rubber bullets. LAPD

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<v Speaker 1>should be protecting people of la and not ice.

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<v Speaker 2>So e re elected official must be accountable. There's no

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<v Speaker 2>doubt about that. There's no doubt about that very much so.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean LAPD has a long history of being

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<v Speaker 2>out of control, especially when it comes to black folks.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no doubt about that.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't think we could ever expect one mayor

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<v Speaker 2>even our dear black sister Karen as mayor, to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to fundamentally reshape and control every policeman. But if

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<v Speaker 2>a policeman is out of control, he or she must

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<v Speaker 2>be accountable, and it is the role of the mayor

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<v Speaker 2>to make sure that those police are accountable.

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<v Speaker 3>Very much so. That's true.

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<v Speaker 1>Accountability breeds trust or brings about trusts, and when people

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<v Speaker 1>feel like any force, especially a law enforcement force, are

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<v Speaker 1>treating people unfairly, then it breeds this trust and resentment too,

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<v Speaker 1>a law of resentment. So the footage I saw was

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<v Speaker 1>not happy about at all. And your point about how

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<v Speaker 1>this mayor cannot do it alone, it's a both and

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<v Speaker 1>it's not an either or. But sister Rebecca, we hear

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<v Speaker 1>you hear clearly that should not be happening. And there

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<v Speaker 1>have been some in the law enforcement community have been

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<v Speaker 1>clear that they're not going to turn on their federal

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<v Speaker 1>citizens in the way that the President of the United

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<v Speaker 1>States is stoking them to do so. So we got

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<v Speaker 1>to remember people in suits are sending law enforcement out

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<v Speaker 1>to do what they're doing. You're listening to Truth Time,

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Cordonell West and Nina Turner. When we return, will

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<v Speaker 1>continue this conversation.
