Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, it is that time. Doctor Webs and I
Speaker 1: cannot get enough of our little theme opening. It is
Speaker 1: so jugling, it just makes you on the rock. It
Speaker 1: is time, always, time to make that change for justice.
Speaker 1: You are listening to Truth Time with doctor Corna West
Speaker 1: and Nina trying to recount it all joy per usual
Speaker 1: that we are all here together today, so much to cover.
Speaker 1: We got Mayor Bass and acts a curfew. Congresswoman Monica
Speaker 1: McKeever was hit with federal charges. They're charging her for
Speaker 1: saying that she assaulted assault chargers. So we'll talk about that.
Speaker 1: And then you know how this president is using military forces.
Speaker 1: I mean, it goes on and on, and this is
Speaker 1: going to continue to be a very big story as
Speaker 1: we move into Saturday, which is Flag Day, which is
Speaker 1: President Trump's birthday, and how he's bringing haink seeing and
Speaker 1: military equipment being flown in from all over the country
Speaker 1: to the tune of one hundred and well that's forty
Speaker 1: million dollars, and then what he's doing in California is
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty four million dollars. And DoD gotta
Speaker 1: tell you just reminds me of some of those the
Speaker 1: authoritarian regimes that we see in places like Russia and
Speaker 1: China to have this kind of this full display. And
Speaker 1: as Republicans are being asked about the parade itself, they
Speaker 1: can barely justify it, especially when you've got a homeless
Speaker 1: in house population among veterans. So we're bringing this to
Speaker 1: you because all of this stuff is happening in real time,
Speaker 1: and Doctor West and I always want to remind you
Speaker 1: that even though we understand what is happening, we must
Speaker 1: never lose hope and determination to change things. And so
Speaker 1: the eruptions that we see, or the use of the
Speaker 1: First Amendment to assemble and petition one's government, because I
Speaker 1: don't want to say eruptions, but the bubbling up of
Speaker 1: people that we see all over the country is really
Speaker 1: in response to how this government is comporting itself and
Speaker 1: how people are just fed up, Doc, And they cannot
Speaker 1: no longer say that this is happening because of one
Speaker 1: political party or another. I mean, this really has nothing
Speaker 1: to do with the Democrats. Democrats couldn't pull nothing off
Speaker 1: like this. If they try. They just ain't got the
Speaker 1: They ain't got the they ain't got the hooks. But
Speaker 1: to do it, they ain't got the nerves to do it.
Speaker 1: I believe that this is truly a bubbling up of
Speaker 1: people who are disgraced by what they are seeing, and
Speaker 1: some who also voted for President Trump. They did not
Speaker 1: vote for this. But here we are, doc you are
Speaker 1: in the house. What is on your heart, your soul,
Speaker 1: and your mind on this day one?
Speaker 2: I just love your salute to the Whinings and this
Speaker 2: magnificent song that's been introducing us now for nearly six months.
Speaker 2: They represent the best, so much of the best of Detroit,
Speaker 2: is so much the best of black music and black culture.
Speaker 2: Because we have to keep our joy, we have to
Speaker 2: keep our sense of memory, and we have to keep
Speaker 2: our love and courage under all circumstances.
Speaker 3: Says, yes, circumstance.
Speaker 2: I would go as far even to invoke the fifth
Speaker 2: Chapter as their Salonians, where my Bible tells me one
Speaker 2: should be thankful in all circumstances. That's what it means
Speaker 2: to pray unceasingly, which is to say, that doesn't mean
Speaker 2: you deny the ugliness, deny the hatred, deny the terrory,
Speaker 2: deny the trauma. Now it just means you counting your
Speaker 2: blessings because you glad you still have a self that
Speaker 2: is struggling, fighting still loving against the hatred, against the oppression,
Speaker 2: against the trauma, against all the lies, against all the crimes.
Speaker 3: And so when I think of where we are.
Speaker 2: Right now, especially in beloved at Los Angeles, I say
Speaker 2: to myself, what is it about LA? You know, it
Speaker 2: was August nineteen sixty five that really turned the corner
Speaker 2: on the sixties.
Speaker 4: That's Los Angeles. Yeah, Rodney King ninety two, Los Angeles
Speaker 4: twenty twenty five, that's Lost Angelus.
Speaker 3: And there's so many things in between it.
Speaker 2: Now, somebody grew up in Sacramento, you know, I got
Speaker 2: a bias toward California. But I've been on the East
Speaker 2: Coast for fifty years, living in Harlem now for many
Speaker 2: many years. But LA is still the center of the
Speaker 2: empire when it comes to keeping track of the new
Speaker 2: tendencies and development. And I think very much like are
Speaker 2: witnessing actual genocide and real time in Gaza and not
Speaker 2: being able to stop it. Right now, we're witnessing the
Speaker 2: implosion and the explosion of the US Empire, and we're
Speaker 2: going to see whether we can we can stop it
Speaker 2: or at least transform it in a much more progressive direction.
Speaker 2: But when you see Trump just out of control, the
Speaker 2: gangsterism just running a mark, and it's not just in
Speaker 2: Los Angeles, La again becomes the center point. But you
Speaker 2: got what's happening in God's what's happening in Sudan, the
Speaker 2: military rism all around the world, militarizing that's at home,
Speaker 2: the corruption of the elites across the board, the helplessness
Speaker 2: of the citizens, so many young people not able to
Speaker 2: gain assets to the best of who they are and
Speaker 2: what has gone into them in terms of their own tradition,
Speaker 2: in terms of their own history and heritage. It reinforces
Speaker 2: the worst in human beings, which is always the greed
Speaker 2: and the hatred, the coward late and it's always the
Speaker 2: envy and resentment rather than the courage.
Speaker 3: To compassion, the vision, the service to others.
Speaker 2: And highlighting the plight of the least of these, of
Speaker 2: the vulnerable and the weak, the oppressed, colonized and subjugated.
Speaker 2: And so where we are now is in so many
Speaker 2: ways just so undeniable in terms of what is happening
Speaker 2: before our very eyes. And Saturday is going to be
Speaker 2: a bigger manifestation of it.
Speaker 1: It really is. Doctor You know if I were one
Speaker 1: of them, I would just be ashamed of myself. But
Speaker 1: they are too unaware to be ashamed of turning other
Speaker 1: Americans against other Americans or against immigrants. Regardless, Let's deal
Speaker 1: with a border. You know, security, We can deal with
Speaker 1: all of those things, but you don't have to deal
Speaker 1: with those things this way. And what President Trump is
Speaker 1: doing is not making America any more secure. As a
Speaker 1: matter of fact, it makes us more vulner honerablebleok that
Speaker 1: that is really what he's wreaking havoc and listening the
Speaker 1: truth time, doctor Cornell West and even Turner. When we
Speaker 1: come forward, we will continue. Yeah, do not forget that
Speaker 1: the four year anniversary for this networks called it the network.
Speaker 1: This this this magnific sense pro black, pro progressive network
Speaker 1: that I want to know the brother Tavis Smiley has created,
Speaker 1: along with the amazing team, about to celebrate four years, Doc,
Speaker 1: and you are going to be there in the celebration,
Speaker 1: so will Jesse Jackson Junior is going to be in
Speaker 1: the house and a whole host of folks celebrating four
Speaker 1: years of magnificence and four years of bringing the news
Speaker 1: in a way that very few networks or radio stations
Speaker 1: will bring it.
Speaker 3: That's the truth.
Speaker 2: And you can see that year after year after year
Speaker 2: having carriage to speak against the green Sometimes that even
Speaker 2: includes having to criticize black folk and black leadership.
Speaker 3: But it's in deep black up.
Speaker 2: It has a lot to do with just human beings
Speaker 2: across the board being in need of critique and correction,
Speaker 2: in ourselves being open to being critiqued and corrected.
Speaker 1: That is it, and showing lots of love to the
Speaker 1: two communities in need. The Alta Dina outreach and coverage
Speaker 1: by far going deep and not allowing anybody to forget
Speaker 1: the residents of Alta Dina, and they are about four
Speaker 1: events happening. Please make sure that you go and sign up.
Speaker 1: And for the Juneteenth celebration, the barbecue part of the celebration,
Speaker 1: please bring a gift card of any amount if you can,
Speaker 1: and those gift cards are going to be shared with
Speaker 1: the residents of Alta Dina who are still suffering. Even
Speaker 1: though the media is not taught, other media outlets are
Speaker 1: not talking about it as much, the pain is still
Speaker 1: there and the promise is still there as well in
Speaker 1: terms of rebuilding and doctor West again. I gotta give
Speaker 1: it to brother Tavis and others in the greater community
Speaker 1: who have come together to make sure that those residents
Speaker 1: have what they need, their basic necessities, and that they
Speaker 1: are not forgotten about. So as much as this is
Speaker 1: about the four year celebration or anniversary of KBLA Talk
Speaker 1: fifteen eighty, it is as much about giving back to
Speaker 1: the community as well.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I know they got Brother James Barr been doing
Speaker 2: the magnificent job keeping track on the ground what's happening,
Speaker 2: always in touch with the humanity of those precious black
Speaker 2: folking out to Dina, no matter what the mainstream media
Speaker 2: has to.
Speaker 1: Say, no matter what they have to say, And that
Speaker 1: is why it is so important that we have our
Speaker 1: own media outlets in the tradition of the black press,
Speaker 1: where oftentimes it is the only place that you can
Speaker 1: go to get news that is seen through the lens
Speaker 1: of the black experience. Exactly right, Happy anniversary KBLA Talk
Speaker 1: fifteen eighty. Bait. We love you. We love you, even
Speaker 1: you know, putting the little license on that doc. You
Speaker 1: and I are here, but that love expands beyond us
Speaker 1: having truth time. So please please please join in and
Speaker 1: support the network, support the radio station. So doctor the
Speaker 1: New Jersey Democrat Congresswoman Lamonica McIver was indicted on federal charges.
Speaker 1: This particular reporting that we've been looking at the news
Speaker 1: articles with this one in particular coming from CBS News
Speaker 1: and they're saying that she's being charged with assault on
Speaker 1: federal law enforcement officers doing a clash. This happened last month.
Speaker 1: We covered this. Mayor, the mayor of New Jersey was
Speaker 1: there the Congress. So let me back up. Congress members
Speaker 1: do have a right to inspect federal facilities or facilities
Speaker 1: operating under the auspices of the federal government, and they
Speaker 1: do not have to get the permission of the President
Speaker 1: to go visit. They are supposed to be allowed in.
Speaker 1: They don't have to make an appointment. The tensions are
Speaker 1: so thick that these facilities are not operating the way
Speaker 1: that they should and congress members are being treated like
Speaker 1: they just average people off the street. These facilities are
Speaker 1: not adhering to the rules and what is supposed to happen.
Speaker 1: So there are about three congress members and then Mayor
Speaker 1: Roz Baraka was there and the congress members were trying
Speaker 1: to protect him. People may remember he was arrested. Chargers
Speaker 1: were filed on him as well. Those charges have subsequently
Speaker 1: been dropped, but now they are charges against the congresswoman,
Speaker 1: saying that she assaulted agents of Homeland Security. Now she
Speaker 1: has come out and says she's to plead not guilty
Speaker 1: and that this is an overreach by the Trump administration
Speaker 1: and what they are doing is meant to intimidate her
Speaker 1: and also send a chilling effect to anybody else that
Speaker 1: does not have an extra special title. Now the charge
Speaker 1: is being filed by Hobba, and she is a coach
Speaker 1: Trump ally, and it's important to understand that she also
Speaker 1: served as his personal attorney in his New York criminal trial.
Speaker 1: So you can connect the dots, you can follow the
Speaker 1: breadcrumbs and ask yourself the question, is this fair or
Speaker 1: is this political revenge?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm thoroughly convinced that it's a mobilizing and weaponizing
Speaker 2: of the Department of Justice.
Speaker 3: The targets certain folk.
Speaker 2: And I was just with brother Rosborock twice in the
Speaker 2: last two and a half weeks or so, and I
Speaker 2: hope he did marvelously yesterday. I still got to check
Speaker 2: and see in the election running for governor. But he
Speaker 2: as well as the fellow congress sister were in no
Speaker 2: way involved in any kind of assault or attack. We've
Speaker 2: seen the video. You see, it's just all intimidation problem.
Speaker 2: Brother Tavis's wonderful interview with the mayor this morning. Sister
Speaker 2: Karen Bass when she talked about in the sixties they
Speaker 2: had these agent provocateurs who are always embedded within certain
Speaker 2: contexts and try to get people to douce and say
Speaker 2: certain things, try to provoke them, try to intimidate them. Well,
Speaker 2: now with the trumpet, administration seems to have its own
Speaker 2: networks of various agents of provocation and intimidation, and this
Speaker 2: is certainly one. I'm glad she has the curt tell
Speaker 2: the world does she knows she's not guilty. I just
Speaker 2: hate that she has to go through all of this
Speaker 2: in the very fact that she's a congresswoman.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, good God Almighty, you know, it's just
Speaker 5: trying to set people up, at examples, to keep everybody
Speaker 5: else so fearful and scared and intimidated.
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. And even if she prevails, the amount
Speaker 1: of time actually and money she has to spend money
Speaker 1: to defend herself. So the interim New Jersey US Attorney
Speaker 1: Alena Habba because only said her last name at first,
Speaker 1: I want to put her in context. Is the one
Speaker 1: that brought these charges against the congresswoman, and she is
Speaker 1: the one that served as a personal attorney for President
Speaker 1: Donald J. Trump during his New York trials. Now, certainly
Speaker 1: not out of the ordinary for a president or political
Speaker 1: figure to elevate people who have been in their orbit.
Speaker 1: It's not out of the ordinary. So doctor Weston, I
Speaker 1: would never say that what is out of the ordinary
Speaker 1: or no, I won't even say it's out of the ordinary.
Speaker 1: What should not be accepted for political figures to use
Speaker 1: their position to seek out revenge in this way against
Speaker 1: people who may hold different political views. And the reason
Speaker 1: why I corrected myself, Dot, and we're centering Donald J.
Speaker 1: Trump for what he's doing right now. He has to
Speaker 1: be responsible for his actions. But we certainly know throughout
Speaker 1: the course of American history that both Democrats and Republicans
Speaker 1: have weaponized their power. And that's why I kind of
Speaker 1: stepped back, because you and I have never been one
Speaker 1: of those. It is a systemic failure, it's a human failure,
Speaker 1: you know, the human need to be puffed up and
Speaker 1: to seek revenge. And Number two it is absolute power, corrupting,
Speaker 1: absolutely and that just that expands beyond the Republican side
Speaker 1: of the political legend.
Speaker 3: That's exactly right.
Speaker 2: I mean, the Democrats have done have their own versions
Speaker 2: of weaponizing Department of Justice and targeting various people of
Speaker 2: high quality, tremendous integrity.
Speaker 3: We we know that that's just a fundamentication.
Speaker 2: I won't even get into that when it comes to
Speaker 2: Los Angeles.
Speaker 3: So we've seen this on both sides.
Speaker 2: Of the political spectrum in terms of political parties. But
Speaker 2: the thing is that we want to be morally consistent
Speaker 2: and we want people to know that when people are
Speaker 2: not guilty, they're not guilty. When people are weaponizing, they're
Speaker 2: weaponizing no matter who they are, is wrong. It's unjustice
Speaker 2: and moral and we will not put up with it.
Speaker 1: Not at all. We're going to tell the truth here
Speaker 1: on truth Time. So to the congresswoman and her team
Speaker 1: lifting them up. Please, if you have family and friends
Speaker 1: in New Jersey who maybe even the congresswoman represents, you
Speaker 1: know you guys, show show some love. If you utilize
Speaker 1: social media a lot of times, that energy. It might
Speaker 1: not be anything that you can do as an individual,
Speaker 1: but collectively we can be prayed up. Collectively, we can
Speaker 1: send positive energy towards her collectively. There are things that
Speaker 1: we can do to let the congress Woman know that
Speaker 1: we know exactly what's going on in this situation and
Speaker 1: that people are just not gonna stand by and let
Speaker 1: this happen. For every action, there is an eco and
Speaker 1: opposite reaction. And I do believe doc And we play
Speaker 1: this clip all the time a lot of times in
Speaker 1: the intro outros of our show. You know that really
Speaker 1: truth crushed down to the earth, it will rise again.
Speaker 1: It's just a matter of time. Sometimes it rises quickly
Speaker 1: and sometimes it rises slowly. But make no mistake about it,
Speaker 1: it will rise again in this moment in our collective
Speaker 1: American and world history, we'll be exposed for what it is.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right. I mean, the flip side of what
Speaker 2: you did said it is. No lie can live forever,
Speaker 2: No no set of crimes can remain hidden forever. Soon later.
Speaker 3: You're gonna have to come to terms. Put it, God,
Speaker 3: it not mark what.
Speaker 1: Just so? Shall you read amen to that? Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not just absolutely disgusted by it. I think people should
Speaker 1: be disgusted by it. We just can't sit back and
Speaker 1: allow these kinds of things to happen without being discussed
Speaker 1: by it. So speaking of discussing thing, what also is
Speaker 1: in connection with us we again as we move into
Speaker 1: Flag Day on Saturday, President Donald J. Trump's birthday, and
Speaker 1: how he is utilizing the power of the people again
Speaker 1: to stoke more fear, to show his authoritarian nature by
Speaker 1: having all these tanks and military weapons and through are
Speaker 1: the capital of the United States of America, which is
Speaker 1: the District of Columbia. Not only is it a total
Speaker 1: waste of money, doctors, there's a deeper message that President
Speaker 1: Donald J. Trump is sending, I believe, both internationally and domestically.
Speaker 2: And part of the message that Trump doesn't even realize
Speaker 2: he's sending is his conception of greatness has ninety eight
Speaker 2: percent to do with military might and ain't got duly
Speaker 2: squat to do with moral substance. And if all you
Speaker 2: can depend on is your military might, then it's clear
Speaker 2: that your empire is falling. Because if you don't have spirit,
Speaker 2: if you don't have if you don't have spirituality, if
Speaker 2: you don't have legitimacy, then all you can fall is
Speaker 2: brute force and raw power, and raw power never ever
Speaker 2: is enough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it has. It has its limits, even though it
Speaker 1: doesn't feel that way in the moment. You're listening to
Speaker 1: Truth Time with doctor Cornell West and Nina Turner. When
Speaker 1: we come forward, will continue to talk about what is
Speaker 1: happening in la across this country and the impact that
Speaker 1: it has on all of us. Indeed, and we are back,
Speaker 1: how do we keep our joy in the face of
Speaker 1: all that is happening in our nation and in our world.
Speaker 1: We're keeping you up to data and sharing our thoughts
Speaker 1: about what is happening, the authoritarian nature of what President
Speaker 1: Donald Drake Trump is doing, how it is impact in
Speaker 1: both us individually and also collectively, how the chilling effects
Speaker 1: of absolute power are used against citizens, even those with
Speaker 1: extra special titles. Docet. It just so aproposed that we
Speaker 1: always wrap up by saying titles are good, but purpose
Speaker 1: is better, because we're seeing that this president is coming
Speaker 1: after people who have some of the highest titles in
Speaker 1: the country that cannot shield them from him really being
Speaker 1: a bully and his ego. It's just all over the place.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's worse than a toddler, and that's an
Speaker 1: insult to toddlers. Let me just back up and say
Speaker 1: to all the toddlers of the world, I mean no harm.
Speaker 1: Me I ain't mean no harm, but this, this is serious.
Speaker 1: In this wake up call, I hope that as people
Speaker 1: are waking up to this brute in our face forced
Speaker 1: that we understand collectively that there always been flashpoints in
Speaker 1: the history of this country where some president has comported themselves,
Speaker 1: maybe not exactly this way, but certain has abused power
Speaker 1: to uh to to to cause people to have fear.
Speaker 1: I mean, even when I think about the Iraqi War
Speaker 1: and some of the tactics that were used against people
Speaker 1: who wanted peace, and I think it was a congresswoman
Speaker 1: was it, Congresswoman Bass At the time, only one congress person,
Speaker 1: guess voted against it. I remember when the Dixie Chicks UH,
Speaker 1: a female singing group, spoke out against it and their
Speaker 1: their their sales, their concert attendance, the sales of their
Speaker 1: songs went down. People called them traders and all manner
Speaker 1: called them women everything but y'ad of God because they
Speaker 1: had a courage of foresight. And now turns out that
Speaker 1: they were absolutely right. So again, I mean, do we
Speaker 1: can give I don't know what other examples come to mind.
Speaker 1: We're sharing is just to say, even though this moment
Speaker 1: is troubling and heavy, it is not the only time
Speaker 1: in our country's recent and especially past history where intimidation
Speaker 1: and political power and brute force. Don't get us started
Speaker 1: about talking about the nineteen fifties and the sixties, because
Speaker 1: any black folks raise up to fight for liberation, we
Speaker 1: were always met with government force every time.
Speaker 2: Every time and co and tell probe meant that they
Speaker 2: were willing to send some bullets targeting some of our
Speaker 2: beloved folks. And so it's very clear that that kind
Speaker 2: of repression goes hand in hand with the history of
Speaker 2: the country. So we shouldn't be surprised by these contemporary
Speaker 2: forms of repression to take the form of intimidation and provacation,
Speaker 2: manipulation and lives and of course, in the end just
Speaker 2: vicious physical attacks as well.
Speaker 3: I'm sure that those will escalate definitely.
Speaker 2: But you know, the thing I think it's also important
Speaker 2: to keep in mind we think of where we are presently,
Speaker 2: is that there is a consistent and constant cloud of
Speaker 2: witnesses who are willing to pay the price and bear
Speaker 2: the burden and tell the truth and seek the justice
Speaker 2: and the zero in on their work, their witness, their service,
Speaker 2: their willingness to sacrifice more than any time.
Speaker 3: We need to zero in them. We really do, Yeah,
Speaker 3: we do.
Speaker 1: And there's some incredible folks out there. Even in the
Speaker 1: face of all this, even Congressom of Lamonica, knowing full
Speaker 1: well what could happen, you have people who have taken
Speaker 1: to the streets and they're doing so peaceably, knowing that
Speaker 1: there could be a consequence. For we certainly have seen
Speaker 1: footage of police. Unfortunately, you know, they carried a militarization
Speaker 1: spirit as well. Doesn't have to be military force to
Speaker 1: have a mentality of shooting rubber bullets and all that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. But people are still out there lifting
Speaker 1: their voices and talking about making it clear that what
Speaker 1: is happening in this country right now is wrong. I
Speaker 1: want to go to our chat on the tube. Doctor.
Speaker 1: We got b bel of bad dog Bullies, lunch and
Speaker 1: liberation time. Good afternoon, Truth Warriors, Good afternoon, b BL,
Speaker 1: blessed peace, Baker in the house. Greetings and much love warriors.
Speaker 1: Selena Rix, where you've been, Sister Selena. I haven't seen
Speaker 1: sister Selena in our chat doc. We missed her. So
Speaker 1: glad that she is back. Bravo. It's truth time. Amen,
Speaker 1: exclamation point, hand clap emojis and the prayer emoji. We
Speaker 1: glad to have you back in the house. Is Andrea
Speaker 1: g Good afternoon. It is vital to stay spiritual aligned,
Speaker 1: especially these days.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right. In times like these, we all need
Speaker 2: an anchor. You got to be sure, very very very
Speaker 2: sure that your anchor holds.
Speaker 1: That's it. If it don't hold, it ain't much of
Speaker 1: an anchor, ain't lying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we gotta do that.
Speaker 1: We have and so Selena and so the community. They
Speaker 1: talk back and forth to each other, which I think
Speaker 1: is a beautiful thing. And then since the Selena further
Speaker 1: right rights calling on our ancestors for strength for the fight. Amen.
Speaker 3: Yes, no, that's that's a profound insight.
Speaker 1: It is the past, the president, and the future. God
Speaker 1: knows we need those ancestors. Stan Williams in the house.
Speaker 1: We have to create good trouble.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: That was a famous quote by congress Woman, I mean
Speaker 1: Congressman John Lewis making good trouble. We have to create
Speaker 1: good trouble. If our ancestors didn't fight, we still be
Speaker 1: in bondage. We still be dealing with Jim and Jane Crow.
Speaker 1: We still not have the franchise or franchiseman. So Brother
Speaker 1: Stan is absolutely right. We have we can't lose sight
Speaker 1: of in the current day fight the battles that we
Speaker 1: have won. But the thing is that this is the
Speaker 1: thing we can't gets so comfortable thinking that, the fact
Speaker 1: the past battles that we have won, they're never always
Speaker 1: fever because there's always gonna be the opposite force trying
Speaker 1: to pull us back. And we're seeing that right now.
Speaker 3: That's exactly right.
Speaker 2: Angela David said, freedom is an endless struggle the moments
Speaker 2: of liberation, but freedom is an in list struggle.
Speaker 3: She's absolutely right about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, amen. And then a local pastor here he's emeritis
Speaker 1: now a Reverend ODIs Moss Junior. And I think Reverend
Speaker 1: oldis moster third, he's a preacher now to forget it
Speaker 1: what Citi's in. But yeah, where's where's he?
Speaker 5: Doc?
Speaker 3: Is that Trinity Church's at Dremiah Rights Old Church, Okay,
Speaker 3: old House brother.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well his dad, you know, yeah here here
Speaker 1: in Cleveland. And Reverend Oldest Moss Jr. Has Has a
Speaker 1: saying I think it goes something like the struggle is forever,
Speaker 1: so we are forever in the struggle.
Speaker 2: Oh, good God of money, what a giant he is
Speaker 2: the oldest Moss Jr.
Speaker 3: Is still going at all? Is it Mount Olive?
Speaker 1: Mount olivet Institutional that church? Yes, we are forever in
Speaker 1: the struggle. The struggle is forever, so we are forever
Speaker 1: in the struggle. So so profound, and I totally agree.
Speaker 1: We got Jesse Paris a kha Nakoume peace and much
Speaker 1: loved after Cornell West and Senator Nina Turner from Denver, Colorado.
Speaker 1: We are sending that piece right back to you. We have.
Speaker 1: I think that's Ed Marie. My apologies if I'm mispronounced
Speaker 1: your first name. What actions are folks demanding and demonstrating?
Speaker 1: That is such a good question. The people are demanding that,
Speaker 1: and they're out there. I don't know if if you
Speaker 1: mean in this moment, but people are demanding fairness under
Speaker 1: the law. They're demanding that this president stopped, you know,
Speaker 1: using the power that he has and weaponizing and against
Speaker 1: the American people. And they're out there in the streets.
Speaker 1: I think certainly people like Governor Knew, some who I
Speaker 1: don't always agree with, but filed a lawsuit against Trump
Speaker 1: administration and other things. So every day people are out
Speaker 1: there in the streets, and some elected officials are trying
Speaker 1: out trying to figure out how through the legal system
Speaker 1: to be able to push back on what President Donald J.
Speaker 1: Trump is doing. You're listening to Truth Time with doctor
Speaker 1: Cornell West, They Needa Turner. When we come forward, we
Speaker 1: will continue this discussion. Yes you are, and we are
Speaker 1: so glad you are not going to go deeper into
Speaker 1: what system. Marie uh In asking and have your response
Speaker 1: to it. When she asked what actions are folks demanding
Speaker 1: and demonstrating, she goes on to say, we can't wait
Speaker 1: for history.
Speaker 2: M M lord, lord, and I think we got to
Speaker 2: look at our brothers and sisters industry who are trying
Speaker 2: to bear witness to a sense of fairness and justice
Speaker 2: that's required for our precious immigrant brothers and sisters and siblings.
Speaker 2: On two levels. One is the question of humane treatment. Now,
Speaker 2: human is not a specific policy. It is a recognition
Speaker 2: of the dignity and sanctity of each human person.
Speaker 3: And if you.
Speaker 2: Vilify and demonize immigrants, of black people, of brown people,
Speaker 2: are anybody Palestinian Jews whoever it is is wrong. And
Speaker 2: the tone and the timber of what's coming out of
Speaker 2: the gangsterized White house is one that has little to
Speaker 2: do with the dignity and sanctity of immigrants. It's hateful,
Speaker 2: it's vengeful, it's hostile, and it's inhumane before you even
Speaker 2: get to the.
Speaker 1: Policy, yes, sir, and it does nothing to keep us safe.
Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with the border.
Speaker 2: And then the policy, you see, is a different thing.
Speaker 2: And this is where the debate takes place. How do
Speaker 2: you translate that humane treatment in the way that you
Speaker 2: steal acknowledge, you know, the need for borders to be
Speaker 2: in place, the need for treating citizens who have been
Speaker 2: here for a long time fairly so that the resources
Speaker 2: are not taken from them. This is a lot of
Speaker 2: black folk think, well, what resource is going to be
Speaker 2: taken from black folk and given to the new immigrants?
Speaker 2: And therefore you pit these various folk fighting for crumbs
Speaker 2: against each other. So that's a different kind of discussion.
Speaker 2: But we got to keep both levels operative because you see,
Speaker 2: once you just allow hatred to run a monk, I
Speaker 2: think that sooner or later it's not going to be
Speaker 2: on its way to your house.
Speaker 1: That's it. We're linked, I mean instricably linked, whether we
Speaker 1: like it or not, and recognize it in real time.
Speaker 1: So I really think Sister Edie Marie for posing those
Speaker 1: that Sister Rebecca in the house, she writes Mayor Karen
Speaker 1: Bass needs to be held accountable for LAPD shooting on
Speaker 1: peaceful protesters and journalists tear gas and rubber bullets. LAPD
Speaker 1: should be protecting people of la and not ice.
Speaker 2: So e re elected official must be accountable. There's no
Speaker 2: doubt about that. There's no doubt about that very much so.
Speaker 2: And I mean LAPD has a long history of being
Speaker 2: out of control, especially when it comes to black folks.
Speaker 3: There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 2: And I don't think we could ever expect one mayor
Speaker 2: even our dear black sister Karen as mayor, to be
Speaker 2: able to fundamentally reshape and control every policeman. But if
Speaker 2: a policeman is out of control, he or she must
Speaker 2: be accountable, and it is the role of the mayor
Speaker 2: to make sure that those police are accountable.
Speaker 3: Very much so. That's true.
Speaker 1: Accountability breeds trust or brings about trusts, and when people
Speaker 1: feel like any force, especially a law enforcement force, are
Speaker 1: treating people unfairly, then it breeds this trust and resentment too,
Speaker 1: a law of resentment. So the footage I saw was
Speaker 1: not happy about at all. And your point about how
Speaker 1: this mayor cannot do it alone, it's a both and
Speaker 1: it's not an either or. But sister Rebecca, we hear
Speaker 1: you hear clearly that should not be happening. And there
Speaker 1: have been some in the law enforcement community have been
Speaker 1: clear that they're not going to turn on their federal
Speaker 1: citizens in the way that the President of the United
Speaker 1: States is stoking them to do so. So we got
Speaker 1: to remember people in suits are sending law enforcement out
Speaker 1: to do what they're doing. You're listening to Truth Time,
Speaker 1: doctor Cordonell West and Nina Turner. When we return, will
Speaker 1: continue this conversation.