Speaker 1: And that's why I never read the comment. I just
want to like, I'm not even gonna look amazing tonight.
I love what you're wearing. Said, Oh my god, you're
all I have an angry clows.
Speaker 2: That is life.
Speaker 3: But that's hard, like unless it's like an NBA team
or something.
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are something that you don't see that often in this industry.
A real married couple who actually make content together and
have been together for nearly twelve years. To prove it,
they met at a rave in southern California and when
one of them was still in college did the long
distance thing, got married, and somewhere along the way, both
coming from tech backgrounds, decided to point that same analytical
business minded brain at adult content. Cookie launcher of in
twenty twenty one, and they've shot for browsers, Naughty America
and Vixen's Slade line, landed in Browser's twentieth anniversary Coffee
table book, and have now launched their own studio. She crumbled.
They even built their own AI to run the business.
Please welcome Cookie and Cookie Daddy.
Speaker 3: Yay.
Speaker 1: So so I do have to ask first, just because
it's on your shirts. Yes, So, for those of you
who are not watching this on YouTube, a Cookie is
wearing a shirt that says I love my autistic husband,
and Cookie Daddy is wearing a shirt that says autism
with a skeleton who's like blasting and coming out of
like a firebomb.
Speaker 4: With like this is how people view met it.
Speaker 5: We were looking at outfits and our assistant was like,
let's get whimsy with this, and then she's like, wear
your autism shirts, and so we are like, we.
Speaker 1: Are, it's better than wearing that. Do you remember, like
that shirt that was really popular for a long time.
Speaker 2: I was stupid, yes, and it had like yes, yes, no,
that's sometinitely not us, but this is more we like
to be a little silly whimsy with us.
Speaker 1: So talk to me a little bit about living with autism,
because I'm going to assume that the shirts are not
just jokes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well truth, yes, no one told me about it
for the first thirty years. And then we were watching
Love on the Spectrum on the Spectrum and they have it.
There's like levels of it right and right, of course,
clearly the high functioning everything's fine kind of level. But
we were watching these people and she was like.
Speaker 5: Wow, it's so interesting that people feel this way and
behave this way. Because I have a background in communications
from college, and I was like, this is just something
I've never like witnessed firsthand, and like dating and things
I didn't expect. And and then you know, I was like,
what do you think, babe?
Speaker 4: And I was like, Okay, they haven't definitely way more severe,
but I'm like, you know, I kind of relate to this,
especially when I was younger, Right, it's you kind of
like learning. You can grow through a lot of this
and work around it. But when I was young, I'm
like a lot of the frustrations they run into I'm like,
you know, I used to feel that way, So yeah,
that's what kind of like set it off my head.
I'm like I didn't know anything about it, digging into
it some more, and then just like a light bulb
went off. I'm like, oh my god, that's me. Explain
so much.
Speaker 1: Can you tell me like some of the early warning
signs that you had as a child.
Speaker 4: I mean there's like little silly things like parents would
have to use special average software, they'd have to cut
the tags off. I was always solo. All my friends
are nowaday virgins ADHD everywhere. Wife got in the computers,
went to computer camp when I was.
Speaker 5: He like went to robotics club at like what what
at Berkeley when he was like a child.
Speaker 4: To stereotypical like this kid, you know, there's your clue.
Speaker 5: A lot of things and then like I know, you've
shared like growing up, like his ability to like communicate
with people was always like a huge challenge for him, right,
Like whether it was getting convincing a big group of
people to like go and do things and then not
understanding like when it would fall apart or how it
fell apart. Right, Like say, like you know, you throw
a party and you're like, okay, day time, and then
like he doesn't follow up or do anything, but he's
just like everyone said they would come, and then the
day and time come and then like only a couple
of people showed up, and he's like, well, why why
did only a couple of people show up? It's like
we got to like follow up and send reminders and
check in and like all the things that like I'm
really good at in our current you know, relationship. Now
that's kind of like my role. We call it the
fun committee, where he's like, Babe, this would be fun.
I'm like fun Committee's on it. And then I'm like
planning it and doing it and like, you know, because
I'm the I'm the people person. But just certain things
like that that were really hard for him and that
he shared over the years of us being together.
Speaker 1: Interesting. Yeah, we were talking a little bit earlier and
you were saying that, you know, you've had trouble in
the past of understanding like at what time or what
like group of people you could say certain things to
like strangers versus like acquaintances versus like close fronts.
Speaker 3: And yeah, levels of disclosure, which most.
Speaker 4: People learn intuitively and I learn as well, but I
need to be explicitly told this is why you do
or don't do something right, because there's usually an emotional
component and that part of my brain is just a
little sleepier.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So do you find yourself like emotionally detached? And
is that like something? I mean you guys, having your relationship.
Speaker 4: Can be like especially in work, Like I have a
really good it's easy for me to separate work versus emotion.
Speaker 5: Okay, right, And I would definitely say we used to
joke like my husband has the emotional intelligence of a rock,
because like sometimes he would just like it was the
words I was using that we needed to bridge the
disconnect for him to know, like I have to be
very explicit. That hurt my feelings and this is why, right,
And so it was just things that we've had to
learn on how to communicate the message because it's not
that we're speaking completely different languages. We're just kind of
maybe having different dialects of a language and they're not connecting,
and so we have to just make sure we have
explicit phrases that trigger his attention to be like, oh,
I'm locked in. This is an emotional thing, right, because
he would just go analytical if I said something, it
would be, you know, problem solve, problem solve, problem solve,
And sometimes it's like, I'm just expressing my feelings and
my emotions and I want those to be validat most.
Speaker 4: Guys fall into anyways. For sure, it's a little bit.
I'm also just a normal guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so's
there's a string hit.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, I think that that is
a super common disconnect between men and women because my
husband's the same way. Like I'll tell him something and
he's like, do this, do this, do this. I'm like,
first of all, I know what I'm doing. Yes, I
got it. I don't need your advice. I just want
a bitch.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: It took me years to learn that, But now I
go to her and like I can sniff it out now.
I'm like, do you want a solution or you just
want to vent? Yeah, and I want to vent. I'm like, yeah,
fuck that bitch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's like I'm on board.
Speaker 5: It just took some time for us to learn how
to talk through that and just to be able to
learn like how to express emotions properly back and forth.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's start at how you guys met. You
met at a rave, right.
Speaker 3: We did. We met at a rave.
Speaker 5: It was a lot minute thing. My friend had a
ticket last minute, invited me to go. His friend invited
him last minute. He was living in the Bay. I
was living in La It was in San Bernardino and
it was a camping event and we you know, go
in and I remember that rave. I was like girls
only like with my friends, like yeah, this and that,
and then I see this man and I still remember
he had a Yoshi backpack, shirtless welder goggles and these
like tan cactus shorts, and I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 3: I was like my guys and did like the little
host little like creep up thing.
Speaker 5: I'm more of like a I'm like a tease where
I'm like, she's you know, like notice me, but I'm
gonna make some serious eye contact at you.
Speaker 3: Like I was like staring him down.
Speaker 4: And even I could read that. I'm like, oh man,
I like and it was like, you know, like a
horror film where every time you like turn your head,
she's a couple of feet closer, and the next thing
you know, she's like under my chin. I'm like, okay,
I think I need to talk to her. She wants
me to talk to her.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: It wasn't you know, it wasn't scary, but like she
just kept magically getting closer coming. I'm like, okay, I
have to say something. At that point, I was a
little panicked and I had no game. Still don't have
a game, right, yeah, I was not in my skill set.
Speaker 3: Also like the autism too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm like, man, like small talk do I say
to this girl? I'm like, I just said something dumb
and she was like that's weird. She ran off, and.
Speaker 3: Can I say what you actually?
Speaker 4: No, no, that's not we don't need to relive it.
Speaker 1: Maybe off camera.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's the other thing. I'm like, can I
say that here?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: So it was like you know this and that. I
was like I don't know about that. I'm gonna leave,
and then I don't know. At some point we ended
up just like kind of like coming back together. And
and then the next thing I know, like I'm like
talking to him and he just like starts kissing me.
I'm like, wow, this guy's really into me, like super
into me. And then come to find out that, you know,
he had gone to moon a little too hard and I
didn't really knew what was happening.
Speaker 4: My first time going to the moon too, and I
took two moons, so it was it was a lot.
Speaker 3: It was. It was yeah, rocket ship.
Speaker 4: And I looked for her. I'm like, hey, my friends
just waved me goodbye and I can't form words right now.
Speaker 3: I need you to not leave me.
Speaker 5: And I was like, I've never gone to the moon,
and I was like, okay, do you need water?
Speaker 3: Do you need this? Like do we need to go
on a walk?
Speaker 5: Like I start panicking and he's like he's just like,
uh huh sure, and like he you know, in his
money he told me after he's like I just knew
like once he reacted that way that it was just
kind of like I was going to be okay because
this person was going to take care of me.
Speaker 4: Until you went and went to get some water.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then I was like, brow your phone.
Speaker 4: And then time dilation happens, so I'm like this girl's
being up for like thirty minutes she stole my phone.
Speaker 5: I was gone for like five minutes, and I'm like,
I like, come back to where he is.
Speaker 3: And I'm like running through the crowd. Has anybody seeing
a guy in this and this?
Speaker 5: And everyone's looking at me like that, Yeah, everyone's like bitch,
that's like every guy here.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 5: And then i'd come to find out he was just
making these like figure eights like he would just.
Speaker 4: Because I would start walking like maybe she's over here,
and then I'd like, oh, I've walked too far, walk back,
So I just sat down. Eventually I'm like this, I'm
not getting anywhere. I'll just hang here.
Speaker 5: Yeah. So at the end of it, he was you know,
he came out of space and was like, let me
walk you back to your campsite. And we ended up
like being like tent right next Our tents were right
next to each other.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, yeah, like two tents away from each other.
Speaker 4: I was like, the next day we went to the
beach and well, we had a.
Speaker 5: One night stand in the back of his friend's car,
and I never had a one night stand before. I
was like, this guy lives in the bay. He seems
very nice, like, let me just try this, let's see
how it goes.
Speaker 3: And it was fantastic.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: After he got off, he like was like, do you
want me to like, you know, can I do you
want me to go down on you?
Speaker 5: And I was like, I've just been raving for like
seven hours in the desert and I don't want anyone
to like venture down there. I don't know what's going on,
so like we'll table that. But I super appreciate the offer.
That's like very heartwarming, thank you. But then we spent
the next day at the beach. He's like, I'll call
you when I get home, and then he did, and
then came back down the next day.
Speaker 3: Five days later. We started dating long distance.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And then you guys dated long distance for like a year.
Speaker 3: A yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: And then she came and moved in yep.
Speaker 5: And then I transferred to school up in the Bay
and finished out college up there.
Speaker 1: Wow. It was serious.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, it went extremely quick.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I always say that I can remember this distinct.
Speaker 5: We would be on FaceTime all the time, and I
remember this phone call where we were talking really late
and we both just said when we were dating people,
it always just felt like there was this piece of
a puzzle that was always missing, and we were just like,
maybe this is just like how it's supposed to be
and then you know, that puzzle eventually comes together. But
when we were together, it never felt that way. It
just like every piece of the puzzle like just fit. Yeah,
it was perfect. You know, obviously relationships all have their
bumps and stuff, but like that was never pretty perfect.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a pretty cute story. And I'm usually not
the romantic kind of Yeah, I'm like, yeah, that it's
a good story. Like we got we got real lucky.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a good story. I know exactly what
you mean. Before I met my husband, I was really
bad at like I was kind of commitment phobic. I
had I've been married before for four years, which was
like miserable the whole time. But before that, like I
couldn't do more than like a year, you know, I
get bored. And I remember my mom telling me, She's like,
when you meet the right person and you'll just know,
And I'm like, what the fuck does that mean?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Literally, and you always like try to force it right yea,
like okay, well this guy's this, this and this, and
then yeah, I just always thought it was me. Yeah,
you know, and I was like, well, maybe I'm just
like not that kind of person who like falls in love.
Maybe like that's just not for me. And yeah, and
then I met my husband and I was like, oh,
oh oh this makes sense. And yeah, we've been together
for ten yearsh shit, our anniversary is coming up. We've
been together for ten years and I've never ever for
a second questioned if I was with the right person.
Speaker 4: Not once.
Speaker 1: That's amazing and that happened to me all the time.
So I'm sure you guys probably feel the same way. Yep, yeah,
very similar. Cool it makes things easier, yeah, yeah, love
can come for you too, guys. Yes, Okay, So how
did you guys make this relationship work long term? Because
you were you've been together for twelve years, so like
for those people who are maybe struggling with relationships, what
is like the solid glue that really keeps you guys together.
Speaker 3: It's a great question.
Speaker 5: So it's ironic because when we first started dating, we
were super monogamous right as like most people are, but
we just seemed to keep attracting swingers everywhere that we went,
and not like we ever swing ever, ever, thought about
any of that.
Speaker 3: We really didn't know what swinging was.
Speaker 5: But like every time we'd go out, like there would
be this couple, and the couple would be all like, oh,
you know, raves are like on a cruise, and we're
just like, what are we putting some vibe out there?
Because like we're not trying to sleep with anybody, but
like we you know, it just kept happening. And then
we met this couple and they work together for so
long and they just had the most beautiful marriage. And
I was just like, you can tell they were just
disgustingly in love with each other. And I was like,
remember one night having a conversation with them, saying, your
relationship is so beautiful, get you sleep with other people?
Speaker 3: How does that work?
Speaker 5: Right? And not that at the time we were interested
in swinging or getting into that. I was like, I
want the foundational, Like what is the building blocks that
make this work? And they told us that every day's
a choice and every day you have to choose your
partner no matter what.
Speaker 3: People change.
Speaker 5: People you know, grow distance, they change interests, right, all
these different things can happen life. You know, when you
were twenty when we when I met him versus I'm
thirty two. Now I'm a completely different person, and like
when I'm fifty, I'm going to be a completely different
person again. Right, Like, people evolve all the time, but
every day you have to choose your partner no matter what.
And if you stop choosing your partner, that's okay, Like
things happen, but that's usually I think the thing that like,
you have.
Speaker 4: To be worried and you're not stuck.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're not stuck.
Speaker 4: Otherwise you start resenting the person. You don't own the person.
So I think it's just a good having the correct
frame of mind and then solid communication because most people
don't communicate well enough. They don't talk about things that
are uncomfortable to talk about. So if you do all
those uncomfortable things and you have the right frame of mind,
it works out, or it can work out, or you're
like this isn't for us, and then you leave something
that would otherwise drag on your life.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like obviously there's non negotiables for certain things, right
Like if one person doesn't want kids and the other
person want kids, that's like there's no making that work
in my opinion. But you know, for things like lifestyle
swinging that kind of stuff. Like for me, I'm I
could be a monogamous girl and be totally chill. This
wants to be in an orgy every single day, and
so you know, we have to like make that work.
And it was one of those things that like it
was a trying time in our marriage to figure out
how it works. But at the end of the day,
I had to choose him in this marriage to make
it work. And so we just have to like both
consent into that new chapter of our life.
Speaker 3: And like, there are.
Speaker 5: Things that he's going to have to give up. Can't
be in an orgy every single day, right, And then
there's other things that I have to give up, which
is like, you know.
Speaker 3: I have to.
Speaker 5: Change my mindset around how we engage with other people
and how that becomes a safe and fun place for
me to also explore.
Speaker 1: So how did you guys even start that conversation about
opening up your relationship Because I know that there's a
lot of people who are probably watching who would also
like to explore that dynamic, but they're like terrified to
bring it up to their part.
Speaker 4: It was a very slow, gradual process, Like early on
our relationship, she had little clues that she might be bisexual,
and then when we started only fans, it was just
her solo and then eventually she teased into like some
girl girl. But it was very gradual because if you
asked us like years and years ago, it was like
this was not on the table at all.
Speaker 3: No, and I never expected to be here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I feel like a lot of people would
make the mistake in a relationship. They'll go too hard
too fast, and people get hurt. Yeah, there's no real
book on this stuff, and the boundaries very drastically and
it's very personal.
Speaker 3: And they can constantly change.
Speaker 4: They can constantly change. So usually going too hard too
fast is where people get into trouble.
Speaker 5: And that's kind of that same couple I called Hurt
my like lifestyle Yoda, where like anytime I had a
question about things, I would be like, you know, how
how do I like talk about this or how do
I approach this? And you know, one of the things
that she told me, she's like, you're gonna get hurt.
Your feelings are going to get hurt. His feelings are
going to get hurt. You guys are going to hurt
each other unintentionally, and you just have to like be
okay with that, because it's not like you're purposely doing
anything you know, out of like you know, bad intent
but you know one thing you were like, well, let's
experiment with this, and then it's like, oh, that's a
boundary and I didn't know, and like now you have
to like kind of deal with that.
Speaker 4: Let's say about half the time, you don't know what
the boundary is.
Speaker 5: Until you do it, and then you're like, yep, didn't
like that, you know, And then just know that the
other person doesn't have, you know, bad intentions by any means,
and that you guys are on the same team and
as long as you guys can talk through it. It's
a super difficult conversation to have, and I would suggest
like maybe just try to find like a really cool
we'll first have the conversation with your partner if they're
even like open to the discussion. One thing that I
would recommend would be trying to find maybe like a
kink held event.
Speaker 3: I know that there's a lot of.
Speaker 5: Organizations that have like lifestyle parties that you can pay
as like a membership and go through an interview process
as a couple and then go and you can just watch.
Speaker 3: Just go in the controlled environment and around.
Speaker 4: It people because usually like minded, open minded, friendly, non pressuring.
Speaker 5: So yeah, so just be in the environment, but like,
don't play with anybody and just you guys, don't even
have to have sex yourself.
Speaker 3: Just be in the environment and see how you feel.
Speaker 1: Is that how you guys started.
Speaker 5: Nope, no, no, that's that's something.
Speaker 4: You know, learning everything we've learned along the way, if
we had to go back and start fresh again, like
our our transition was through work related things, but now
we go to those events too.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So you guys both come from a background in tech,
and how did you go from your day jobs to
like we should cross over into this new space because Cookie, Daddy,
it was your suggestion that Cookie start and of back
in twenty twenty one. Is that right?
Speaker 4: Well, she had a friend at the time who was
doing really well with it, and for years she was like, come,
come join, come join, And what were you saying, You're
like no.
Speaker 5: I was like, I'm a college educated woman, Like as
if that like put on some pedestal, like I need
to do sex work, Like oh my god, I could
never Like that's why I went to school. So I
didn't have to do this or whatever, you know, the
bullshit that like society kind of just.
Speaker 1: The idea that like it's a last resort for people.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, exactly exactly and so and also my own
personal side of it was that like I had never
sent a new to anybody in my life, and I
was like, you want me to do what? Like, girl,
you're crazy, like literally insane. So I started out with
just doing some like assistant stuff for her, just like
helping with with little things. And then eventually, yeah, we
just started and I did tech consulting back then, so
I would build like workflows for you know, Fortune five
hundred companies that would you know, start really small and
then scale them up to you know, thousands of people.
So I had to have the like technical knowledge and
process building mindset of like how do we build this
small team that has a scalable and can like grow
and you know, once you have like one video being
uploaded and tagged and this and this, how do we
scale it out to like all these different platforms and rotating.
Speaker 3: Right, So it kind of applied really easily.
Speaker 5: Into kind of what we do now with building a
schedule and and you know, templates and this and this
and this, and so it kind of worked in really
easily at first in the beginning anyways, and kind of
just grew from there. And then after about three months
of doing OnlyFans, I was making more than what I
was making at my job, and I was like, I
think that we need to just put everything into this
to really like catch the wave and ride it as
long as we can, because it's not going to last forever.
And so we just jumped in, and you know, he
came home with a camera one day, like a like
a professional sony camera, and I was like, the fuck
is that for.
Speaker 3: He's like, I'm going to learn how to use it
and we're going to shoot on it.
Speaker 5: It's going to make like some bomb ass, like really nice,
beautiful content.
Speaker 4: It took a year before before it beat out the phone. Yeah,
like batteries not included. Do you get those cameras? You're like,
why my photo is so bad?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: And then and then you as you learn, you're like, okay,
just there's a high skill cap with this, as you know, yes, yes, yeah.
Speaker 5: And then his own technical background, he's like very tech
savvy and so he you know, helps with buildings, you know,
some integrations, and we're actually building like a bot that
helps like be like more like an assistant for us
when you know, if you want to explain more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, operations, yeah, operations yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I love that kind of shit. We're we're doing
a lot of that right now too. One of my
business partners is like really tech savvy and he's building
like this whole AI workflow.
Speaker 4: It's pretty great, and we like, I see a lot
of people using AI and there's like a wrong application
and a right application. So like in our industry, the
wrong application is a lot of agencies are using bots
to chat.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, no one wants to chat chat with the bot.
No one wants AI girlfriend content. Uh, it's faked. People
can see it. It's not genuine. So that's wrong way
to use AI. The right way to use AI is
like the back end, tedious work that most people aren't
aware of. Right. They just think we should content upload
and we're done. But there's there's calendar work, there's project
management work, there's communications work, two two five seven work,
uploading to you know, a dozen different websites, as you know,
and some a human has to do that, and no
one enjoys doing that. So that's the perfect use for like, hey, robot,
like upload the video to all the site, make a
teaser clip, make sure we're two two five seven compliant.
Speaker 3: Send these documents here, and do all of these other things.
Speaker 1: Which program do you guys use?
Speaker 4: Well, you know, the interesting thing is you can kind
of plug into any model, but everything's very personal to
how you run your business. So you just talk to
the robot and you say I'm trying to solve this problem,
help me do it, and it rights itself.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: You don't need to be a programmer. You just you say,
I'm trying to solve this problem. Help me solve it.
So you don't need to go and buy a software solution.
Like it is its own software solution. It's pretty neat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, tell me about this because you're you're
building this AI to like run your back end business. Like,
what are some of the biggest tasks that it takes on.
Speaker 4: Well, what's interesting is the way it works now is
that it holds all the business contexts, so it knows
all of the posts we make, It knows all the
people we work with, It knows our calendar, reads our email,
our brand, so it catches things you don't. It's like, oh, hey,
you guys are going to schedule to shoot for Friday.
But Friday, there's a big event that's going to make
a lot of a noise. Maybe schedule it another day, right,
Little things like that two Q five seven compliance, like oh,
this person didn't upload this, or they have a typo
in their name.
Speaker 5: Even just prepping for this, And when I was trying
to think of like our bio and like, you know,
things that we should talk about, I was like, so
we're going on this podcast, and what do you think
would be easy to share and talk about and what
do you think would be interesting? And it like went
through and like went through all of your stuff and
was like, I think that these would hit really good
for Holly and thinks she would enjoy talking about.
Speaker 3: And stuff like that. So it's just like it's literally
just like a.
Speaker 5: Personal assistant that I can just talk to whenever and
just like riff back and forth. And you know, we're
coming up with like a Twitter bio for our studio
and can only fans bio and like all these different
bios and captions and what we can say where and
it like keeps our brand in mind and our voice
in mind, and then it's like does it want to
be in Cookie Daddy's voice or Cookies voice and so
on and so forth. So it gets to know us
really really well because we literally just talked to it
all the time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and most people kind of already get that experience today.
But the real value add is it it not just
writing text but doing work for you, like uploading content,
creating teasers.
Speaker 5: If you give it like a picture, and then he
trains it to be like a graphics you know artist professional.
Speaker 4: Yeah, role player, Like you're a professional graphic artist and
your job is every time you generate a teaser or
some image for the business, make sure it's aesthetic and
follows our brand guidelines. You know, you have colors for
your brand.
Speaker 3: That's sort of where it fits in, like a picture.
Speaker 5: So it's like, if we're going to post a picture
of us to another girl and we need her name
and then our brand and details around it, it'll take
any picture and then throw it on there, and then.
Speaker 4: We'll make a make a a flyer for Cookie and
Cookie's friend. It knows to go search our files.
Speaker 3: For examples of a flyer Cookie's friend for us.
Speaker 5: To do a stream or something like that, and it'll
take the picture and a picture and put it together
and do all that stuff, and we can just iterate
on it constantly, but it just it lives as like
a text message group chat that we have. We call
it crumbot. She's pretty sexy. We can show you a
picture we.
Speaker 3: Made like this, like risk and AI picture of her. Yeah,
I we'll show you her afterwards. It's pretty hot.
Speaker 1: I love that, Okay. So I kind of want to
get back into your relationship and how that plays out
in a sexual way. So Cookie, you identify as a
demisexual For those people who don't know what that term is,
what does it mean for you and how does that
like define what your interests are.
Speaker 5: So demisexual is somebody who it's more than just like
boy girl the bits. If you're objectively hot, you know,
you could be the most objectively hot person in the world,
and like, I would never want to fuck you in
a million years because I don't have any type of
like intimate connection with that person. I really it's more
than just a body Like it's almost like I need
to talk to you and have this really intimate connection
with who you are, the way you think and you
know all of those other things. So it's just a
more involvement of who the person is inside that allows
me to become sexually attracted to you. So that kind
of plays out in how we shoot, because in the past,
we had you.
Speaker 3: Know, people just hey, you want to shoot, let's do
a threesome.
Speaker 5: We'd fly them out and then we would shoot, and
I would be like, wow, that was the most like
detached experience.
Speaker 3: I hated that. I don't want to do that.
Speaker 5: So it was like a learning experience of like what
I needed to look inside and what I needed to
feel fulfillment in that. So when we do collapse now
we have intro calls with people. Most of the time
we have to I like to meet people in person
if we're like at a you know, AVIN or expos
or wherever, and have a chat with them in person
and just really like talk to them as a human
and not like so you're gonna come out and we're
going to have this three blah, you know. So we
like to have those kind of conversations. But that plays
out with uh yeah, with like how we shoot and
that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: You also describe yourself as a vixen. You're turned on
by cookie Daddy being with other people. But you were
clear that that's not the same as a cut dynamic.
So can you walk me through the difference.
Speaker 5: Yes, So when we got into to shooting, we had
a friend who was a hot wife.
Speaker 3: We didn't know what a hot wife was.
Speaker 5: And you know, for people, that's more traditionally known as
like the wife gets kind of like put out with
whomever and the guys like get to you know, play
with them, and traditionally the husband is seen as a cuck.
But when we were doing our research, a cook is
somebody who is like actually degraded, like you could never
fuck your wife as good as I can that kind
of thing, right, Like there's a degradation aspect to it typically,
and so they're like, you can't touch, you can't do this,
you have to sit in the cuck chair and watch
me fuck your wife. So the inverse of that for
a male is called a stag. So someone's like, yeah,
you get to fuck my wife. My wife's pussy is
so good, you're so lucky you get to fuck her.
So the flip of that is a vixen in a female.
So it's kind of like a power bottom dynamic. Where
it's like I'm like, yeah, ride that dick, baby, that
dick's feel so good.
Speaker 3: Oh does that feel good too for you?
Speaker 1: Baby?
Speaker 3: That feels so good? Yeah, get the fuck off.
Speaker 5: Like it's like I I hold all the power, and
if you think that, like for a second, it's any way,
shape or form other than I'm allowing this to happen
for you, I will drag you out by your hair
and it will be fucking gone, right, Like, so that's
it could be hot? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so it's
it's it's you know, I've kind of talked about this
in the past with other people and they're like, oh,
so that's a cook.
Speaker 3: I'm like, it's not a cook. I am not a
cuck queen.
Speaker 5: I'm not like, oh, I'll wait here baby until you're
ready to give me your dick.
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, it's my turn. Get the fuck off
my husband, now it's time. Okay, I want you to
do this.
Speaker 5: It's kind of like I'm directing, like what's happening, and
that like helps me, you know, be very sexually into it,
and you know, I get to talk.
Speaker 3: Dirty to him. I'm like, how's her pussy feel, baby? Yeah,
that's good?
Speaker 5: Hot.
Speaker 3: Yeah you like that. That feels so good, you know,
and like that makes me hot, like get all like
hot hard And then he's.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, a lot of synergy going on. Yeah, yeah
it works well for us.
Speaker 3: Yeah it works.
Speaker 1: I remember talking to somebody once who you know, has
the same kind of dynamic as you guys, and he said,
it's kind of like if you get a really like
awesome car and you like want your friends to like
get to drive it, you know, because you want to
show it off. Yeah, you know, like do you want
to drive like this amazing new car that I got. Yeah,
Like I'll let you have a right around the block.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4: And I've always been that way with her, like how
like from day one, how she dresses right like I'm like,
go full provocative nipple Passy's like that never made me
insecure and uncomfortable in my guess he's looks super hot,
like like I hot my wife.
Speaker 5: If anything, He's like, could you put something on a
little slutier kind of kind of comfort up?
Speaker 3: I really like to see the butt, you know.
Speaker 1: So I mean I think a lot of what that
entails is like, you know, lack of insecurity. I think
a lot of you know, a lot of problems I
think with monogamous relationships. And this is actually speaking for
someone who's in a monogamous relationship and that's what works
for us. But I think there's a lot of assumption
of like ownership and a lot of insecurity about losing
that partner to somebody else.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Perc, I feel like it's foundational to do this
correctly because if you don't have that security, you're kind
of just making things rockier. Yeah, because we've seen people
in lifestyle where they don't have a solid relationship that
they're building on. They kind of use us to band
aid something that's already kind of struggling, and those usually
crash and burn pretty bad from what we've seen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's and you can you can definitely tell when
people are like they just are in a very open
relationship and they just can lot eat off without each other.
And then you can see the other people where you're like, ooh,
you guys are doing this because you guys are too
insecure to be alone and to break up, so you're
just like, I'll just let you fuck whoever, and like
you can see they're very detached in their relationship. Yeah,
And that's like not something that even with people that
we've interviewed for shooting, you know, we get off a call.
Thankfully it's never really happened, but we've talked to people
in person where you know, we do the first initial
like should we engage and maybe ask them to clap,
and you kind of like get the little feels where
you're like, hmm, that sounds that seems like a rocky relationship.
Not quite sure if that's something that we would want
to like approach and write and bring into into our marriage.
Speaker 1: Now, Cookie Daddy, you're the more sexual of the two,
So how do you guys balance different appetites inside of
marriage and a business.
Speaker 4: Well, it used to be struggle for a while, and
I feel like a lot of I'm assuming heterosexual relationships
are like this. You know, it's yeah, it's normal to
have some kind of difference. I don't know what helped us.
We just just a lot of communication and you just
do your best to meet in the middle. Because I
feel like when there's a mismatch in sex drive, usually
one person feels unwanted and unloved and then the other
person feels how do you describe it?
Speaker 5: Like for me, it was like, Oh, he doesn't like
I'm not enough, like I'm not doing enough for him,
Like I'm like at my max. So I'm just gonna
like self sacrifice and just like you know, kind of
check out while he's like having sex with me or
something like that, and that's not fun.
Speaker 4: So for us, what worked was like understanding the other
person's mindset and then it kind of like it takes
the hurt away, right. It used to hurt me, like why,
like what do you mean you don't want to have
sex with me? Like like I would you could ask
me one hundred tis a day and if that's what
you really needed, I would do it for you. So
me not getting that reciprocated energy felt hurtful. And that's
apparently a pretty common like a rejection feeling. So just
understanding the other frame of mind helps tremendously.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think it's also one of those things where.
Speaker 5: Using like we've we've been to couple's marriage counseling just
so that we can learn how to talk and communicate effectively.
And one of those things was like you just have
to learn again kind of what I said in the
beginning with like the autos connection of not that this
is anything to do with autism, but like you have
to learn how to talk to each other in a
way where it's a safe space.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: So it's like, this is my sexual cup, right, My
sexual cup is only this big, and you know his
sexual cup is this big, and how.
Speaker 3: Quickly does my deplete versus how quickly does his deplete?
Speaker 5: Right, And just so learning to talk about it in
those types of senses and then giving each other boundaries
to work around, you know, like, hey, babe, you know
we just shot for three days in a row. Like
the next like day or two, I would really just
kind of like to take a break.
Speaker 4: Or yeah, something little true. She'll give me a heads
up rather than me getting like pent up energy, and
then she shuts me down. She'll be like, hey, FYI,
I need a couple of days break. Then I can
like mentally prepare to be.
Speaker 3: He's like canting down.
Speaker 4: It's yeah, I get to And thankfully I'm not like
eighteen anymore, so it's it's not as bad as it
used to be. But yeah, I was that teenager, like
I had my energy was sky high. So I'm actually
kind of I'm happy it's chilled out a bit me too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm having a boy, and I'm like not already
like not looking forward to the teenage years, like oh
my god, yeah everything that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and everyone's different because I'm definitely like teenage boys
on average are elevated, but me was elevated even beyond that.
Speaker 1: Like beyond that. Yeah, yeah, what kind of boundaries do
you guys actually have in place that like work for you?
Speaker 3: For right now?
Speaker 5: We have a no kissing rule for him with other women. Okay,
so he can fuck other women, he can eat pussy,
he can kiss bodies, just no mouth to mouth like
kissing and making out. That was something that for me
it just felt too intimate. And at that point, it's
like I just wanted to reserve something just for like
us that's super intimate.
Speaker 4: But the boundaries are actually really great because it creates
a safe space.
Speaker 1: And I'm saving that you guys talk about this with
their scene partners before.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we go we go through on the before every
shoot because everyone's so different and everyone does a right
to feel heard and safe.
Speaker 1: And respected respected.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so we we we'll do all of the like
social media and all that stuff, and then we cut
and we said, okay, we're gonna have a consent boundary
talk and we all sit down and we like talk
about it in detailed yes, no ad specifics. We have
a very like detailed checklist of like what they're okay
with and what they're not hard knows all that stuff.
Speaker 3: So that's worked for us. Another thing for me.
Speaker 5: Personally that you know, we used to do lifestyle and shooting,
and for me that just became too much. And so
while I really love being in the lifestyle space, playing
with strangers and then also filming with other people became
too much for me. And so we will go to
lifestyle events, but we won't play with other people, but
we'll just like to explore it and hang out and
meet people and put on a really great show. Because somehow, somewhere,
you know, someone will always ask what I do and
they're like, oh, my gosh, a porn stars here, and
then like everyone wants to like watch me fuck for
some reason, as if it's like a spectacle or they're like, oh,
the porn stars, we must watch her. And then I'm like,
I mean, like, guys, if you want a show on
a show, you know, and so I'm like, I'm like
doing all all the things you know versus.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like, I'm like fucking me upside down.
Speaker 5: You know, if we ever catch me at a lifestyle party,
just be like, Cookie, let's see it cameras on. Then
I'll just like I'll just go for it. So you
love the camera, I do. I love a good performance.
I love putting on a really good performance. And that's
kind of where we started to think about, you know,
what we wanted to do long term, and that's kind
of where we like kind of got into like the
studio aspect, because we really wanted to like create this
like look and feel and brand and all of that.
And you know, we filmed last night and I was
going for it. It was just like it was hot, So.
Speaker 1: Tell me about the studio.
Speaker 3: So the studio is called she Crumbled, so it's a
playoff of our names and do you want to?
Speaker 5: And it was just something where we kind of sat
down and you know, as much as we love the
fan sites they're great, they have been getting really just
strange with I'm not even quite sure what because we
have all the documentation, we have all the tags, but
there was one day where I just woke up and
fifteen of my videos got deleted out of my only fans,
and they were like improper tagging, and I like sent
the screenshot, sent the paperwork, here's all of the stuff, like,
and they're like, well, not enough people are tagged. I'm like,
there's four people in the video, myself included. I don't
what do you want me to do? And they were
just like, oh, sorry, we deleted it, and so then
I would have to try and re upload it, and
of course I can't because it's the same video and
us I'm going to change the metadata, but like, you know,
then I'm just playing with the OnlyFans, Gods of them
deleting my account because they're like, keep uploading this video.
So you know, I was like getting tired of it,
and so we had a discussion of like where is
a where is a place where we can just post
the content that we have and you know, build it
the way that we want and have control over it
the way we want.
Speaker 3: And that's where the studio came up. And obviously it's you.
Speaker 5: Know, I don't want to be necessarily sixty and being
like that's.
Speaker 3: My thirtieth sane this this.
Speaker 5: Year, you know, like obviously I want to like retire
at some point and just take time off and shoot
for funzies or whatever. So we talked and sat down
and we started working on it, and yeah, it's like
finally coming to fruition after like quite some time.
Speaker 1: So the studio, then the content that you guys are
shooting for the studio will go on like a personal website.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's called she crumble dot com. Okay, okay, got it. Yeah,
so we own the domain.
Speaker 1: And then you guys are like you have your own
like CMS and your host I mean, I have my
own website to have like elevated extra cyms.
Speaker 4: And our own space. We don't have to worry about
platforms censoring us, shutting us down. You own your own
user basengs.
Speaker 3: We're abiding by you know, the right the regular rules.
Speaker 1: Send in like the monthly checklist now to like seg
pay about like yeah, and like you have to have
the special form that people can like that like says
exactly what you're going to do if like content needs
to be taken. It's all like stand with something to do. Yeah,
it's just wild because I've had my own site for
like twenty years and like the work that I have
to do now just to like keep it up. Yes
they can pay. It's crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker 5: It was one of those things where we were just like, oh,
two two five sevens front of ID, and they're like,
we need front of I D back of ID, Sonny
Bunny airs two forms of ID, this form two two
five seven on. Yeah, and then they're like and sign
the life of your first born child away and you're
like and then a consent check in video and a
consent checkout video and like all these things and like,
thankfully we've shot for mainstream, so like we were able
to watch what they do and we were like, remember they.
Speaker 3: Did that video.
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm going to text so and so I'm going
to ask them for the question so that like we
have something that we're doing and you know, and obviously
we won't have that for all of our videos since
we we have over like three four hundred videos. You know,
we just have the basic two two five seven and
then the only fans released for them and like no
one's going to take that and then the ID, so
you know, we'll have to, you know, just keep working
for it and make sure we stay complying with everything.
And yeah, just it's a lot of work. Everyone just
thinks like you just shoot porn and post it.
Speaker 3: So much more than that.
Speaker 1: It's so much work. I actually remember when when two
two five seven came about and that became a law,
and I was working for my parents at the time.
My dad was like bitching about it because before that
you never had to keep like the because now you
have to keep on record people's ideas, social Security number,
all this personal information and on file. Yeah, and it
has to be there, like if they want to come
and like check it outs, want to come and fucking
audit you, you got to make sure that you have
all that stuff. And I just remember my dad being like,
this is so much paperwork?
Speaker 4: Is this is why we use the robots now?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I used to be like this is awful, but now.
Speaker 1: We have we have like filing cabinets. Yes, going back,
like so I have so much fucking paperwork. It's just
like bizarre.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then having to digitize that yeah one day,
Oh it's all digitized now yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure, but but yeah, yeah, it's a fucking process.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: We visited visited one of the major studios back offices
and it's just like exactly what we described. Tons of
filing cabinets. I'm like, that's got to be two five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so much fun. Okay, so you guys obviously
work a lot. How do you guys keep a work
life balance as a married couple so that it's not
all about work all the time. Are you laughing because
that doesn't happen. You're like, what work in progress?
Speaker 3: I'm yeah.
Speaker 5: The thing is is the thing that is probably one
of the best things about us is that we both
are workaholics and we both love working.
Speaker 4: We enjoy it.
Speaker 3: We enjoy it.
Speaker 5: So you know how many times people have said, like,
you guys are workaholics.
Speaker 3: You guys are workaholics.
Speaker 5: I'm like, yeah, but like we're both workaholics. So it's
like we're still spending time together and we're there. Does
that mean like, you know, we don't get ourselves burnt out?
We definitely do, but we're.
Speaker 4: Very goal oriented though somewhere, you know, we're always going
for something.
Speaker 5: The amount of podcasts I've listened to and you know they,
you know, all of these financial gurus, and like they
always go back to the same message. They say, the
most important decision you're ever going to make in your
life is who you marry right, because if you have
a partner who's like, why are you always working? Why you
haven't paying attention to me, and then you're being an entrepreneur,
like it's that's hard. That's a really hard thing. But
when we're both like there together and we're just the
other day, he's given me a.
Speaker 3: Pep talk because I'm like, oh, this thing flopped, or.
Speaker 5: Oh I implemented this new like you know, welcome video
and I thought it would like take off and be amazing.
Or I did this new campaign or whatever and no
one bought anything and I hated it. And then this
and then you know, I get down on myself. He's
there like tearing me on, right, or vice versa. He's like, well,
I wish I just did something like this more.
Speaker 3: I wish I was.
Speaker 5: Better at this, And I just feel like I don't
know what I'm doing when it comes to marketing the studio,
and I'm like, of course, we haven't even launched it yet,
like you know, we don't know what we're doing, and like,
you know, just being there to like pep talk each
other up, I think like we do a really good
job or not, you know, but we probably do need
to set a little bit more boundaries. Yeah, I was like, hey, Friday,
you want to like, you know, drive to LA and
shoot more than.
Speaker 1: Are you Guys like the couple that like have a
hard time going on vacation and not like just great content.
Speaker 4: We're going on vacation well well.
Speaker 3: Not and not shooting content.
Speaker 4: Well it depends. So most of our trips we we
like to blend it. Yeah, you know the problem. We
like to have a reason for where like we'll go
see a friend and then we'll do some work related thing.
We did take our first like true vacation for me.
Speaker 3: Like it's a text right all exactly exactly.
Speaker 4: And we're in one of those industries where, oddly enough
you can justify a lot of expenses that normally you
couldn't in other industries because it is in pursuit of
an income. So it's like totally valid. But we did
take our first like true vacation.
Speaker 3: Yes, since probably since our our honeymoon. We went to Japan.
We went to Japan for two weeks.
Speaker 4: And we were fully checked out there. We just food traveled.
Speaker 5: We like we had like our camera, but it was
more for just us to film stuff and like just
be fun.
Speaker 3: And like for the mems and you know, yeah we did.
Speaker 5: We did film a couple of like social media like tiktoks,
like me running across Shibuia, like crossing and like that
silly stuff.
Speaker 3: But it wasn't like work, and it was the best
two weeks.
Speaker 5: It was not a business right, No, that one was
not a business right, And we just had the most
amazing time.
Speaker 1: So that sounds awesome.
Speaker 3: It was great.
Speaker 1: I'd love to go to Japan one day. I don't
feel like trouble is in my future. Okay, So I
want to talk to you a little bit about your
body makeup.
Speaker 2: Yes, not physical, yes, yes, but yeah, because we spoke
about it a.
Speaker 1: Little bit before the podcast, and I was like super
interested because you have an inside out pussy.
Speaker 3: Yes, inside out that I need to know more. We will.
I will show you, I will show you act.
Speaker 1: I'm very excited.
Speaker 5: First off, I didn't even know, you know, that my
pussy was any different than anyone else's, because you know,
I did watch porn, you know, growing up, but there's
always so many being fucked or there's a finger in there.
So I was just like, well, I don't know, maybe
mine does if you push it in like it looks normal.
But when I was twenty I found out that I
was born without a uterus.
Speaker 3: It's just like a birth effect.
Speaker 5: And because of that, so the way the anatomy works, right,
so you have like the entrance of your vagina and
then you have the vaginal canal that leads up to
your cervix that attaches to your uterus. Well, if there's
no uterus and there's no cervix, you still have the
vaginal canal because that's what's forming as you're you know,
forming as a kid or as a baby.
Speaker 3: It doesn't have anything to attach to.
Speaker 5: So this tissue just comes out and it's called a prolapse.
And it wasn't even until I was like getting laser
hair removal and like sitting in the chair, leg spread
and she's like, oh, you have a prolapse vagina And
I was like, excuse me, ma'am, what is that? It
was like every couple of years, I just like kept
finding out things about myself.
Speaker 3: Like what twenty I found out I didn't have a uterus.
Speaker 5: I was like, Okay, I got to deal with that
emotional trauma, but sure we work through that. Great moving on.
Then I go for my first PAP smear, and I
have a doctor who's like, let's do the pap smear.
She is like looking inside, She's like hmm. I'm like,
I would really like you to not make that sound
when you're like inside my vagina right now, thank you.
And she's like, you know, I'm just the nurse. Let
me go grab the obgyn. And I was like, okay,
obgan comes in. I got two people up in there,
and they will go hmm. I'm like, once again, I
really like you guys to stop doing that. And they're like,
let's get one more just in case, and I'm like what,
we have a whole circus in here, like I'm like
spread on the table just like look.
Speaker 3: I'm not uh huh. And then they all just go
and I cannot make this up. They all just go hmm.
I said, all right, okay, I literally get off the steps.
I said, I really need you guys to stop saying that.
What the fuck is going on? And they're like, so
we can't really seem to find your cervix and like,
what the fuck do you mean? Is there like a map?
Is it lost? Like is like what's going on?
Speaker 5: And they're like you know, and they're all talking and
they're like, you don't have a uterus, right, And they're
like yes, And then they're like, if you don't have
a uterus, chances are you also don't have a cervix.
I'm like, oh my gosh, you know those like shots
that you got to like for cervical cancer. I'm like,
so you're telling me I didn't fucking need those those things,
fucking her. I'm like running through all these things that
I'm like getting angry about right in my head, and
they're like, yeah, you don't have fun. I'm like, well,
I guess that's one last thing I have to worry
about as a woman.
Speaker 1: So wait when they found out that you didn't have
a uterus? When how did they find that out?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 5: I I've never had a period, right, But I was
a dancer, cheerleader, like super active my whole life, so
it wasn't abnormal. My family women are also late bloomers
for that, so it wasn't abnormal. When I was like
sixteen seventeen not getting a period, eighteen started getting a
little weird, I was like, what's going on?
Speaker 3: So I actually did go to the doctor.
Speaker 5: I went to the ogo an she had a little
pelvic exam, and she was like, you know, we're gonna
need to have you get at an ultrasound. At that time,
my dad lost his business, which we lost our health insurance,
so I wasn't able to go back to the doctor
until we figured it out. But by that time I
kind of was like I just in my head, I
think I was afraid to hear the news.
Speaker 3: So I kind of was like, well, I've made it
this far, so like, what's the big deal.
Speaker 5: And then I met Cookie Daddy and I was like,
you know, I think he could be it and I
should probably go find out.
Speaker 3: And I went and the.
Speaker 5: I went to UCLA, was trying to go to like
best doctors, trying to figure out exactly what's wrong with me.
And that doctor was like, I knew because when I
went inside and I pushed on your stomach, I should
feel something and your first doctor should have told you
that two years ago.
Speaker 3: And so I was like, great, love that for me.
Speaker 5: So I dealt with that and then yeah, I was
just going in for a routine check up when I
was in college and they were like, when is was
your lap?
Speaker 3: Perhapsmeir never got one, so let's do it. Then they
find that out.
Speaker 1: It just seems odd that they would figure out you
to didn't ever uterus, but then also didn't know that
you didn't have a service, Like you.
Speaker 3: Think that you think they would say, well, right, that's
what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I'm like, can everybody just give me like a full
comprehensive list of like all the organs I'm missing so
I can just like move the fuck on with my
life and like thanks?
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: So, yeah, it's just been one thing after the next,
and then getting into the industry, uh, you know, once
you kind of start seeing like all the pussies, I'm like, wow,
I've never seen anybody with mine. And I was starting
to get very self conscious, and so I actually was
trying to find.
Speaker 3: Medical tools that you can like put inside to like
hold you in.
Speaker 5: But because of my anatomy and because I had no
pulvic floor, because your public floor is what holds your
uterus up, yeah, that muscle just like essentially atro feed,
and so I really didn't have like a public floor
at all.
Speaker 3: And so you know, I was very very self conscious.
Speaker 5: And I remember are going into Slade when they called me,
which like they were my protein debut, and like I
was like, oh my gosh, I love them, and I
remember having to bend over and like pull my cheeks
apart for them to like take a picture for like
you know, the directors for choosing, like I guess what
kind of models they want to like put together.
Speaker 1: Wait, they took a picture of your vagina, I think so, yeah,
to decide what other girls.
Speaker 3: I'm assuming I didn't really ask, they just like to
a picture.
Speaker 1: I never heard of that really.
Speaker 4: No, No, when they when they onboarded you, they have
a database of models, so when they're trying to put
people together together talent, I don't think it has anything
to do with like you're natty right.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Okay, too cute.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but like I bend over and I like opened
up my my cheeks and they took a picture.
Speaker 3: Is that no? Normal?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: Oh, okay, well news today.
Speaker 1: I've never asked for a picture of a girl's like
vagina to book them or to think about like pairing
vaginas together. I try to pair like height and like
ye like coloring.
Speaker 4: Huh.
Speaker 5: But maybe they're like maybe they're like this pussy and
this pussy would look fantastic together.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, attention to detail. They're a very
successful web.
Speaker 5: Like lips, and these lips would looking each other. That's
probably so I just remember being like very self conscious.
So I was like, oh my gosh, I wonder if
they're going to just like hate what I look like.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: Obviously that wasn't the case. I've shot three times for
them with amazing co stars, so but it wasn't until
I was actually on a stream and uh, they did
like a pussy comparison, and I remember like my heart
just like pumping, and I was like about to cry
because I didn't know that that's what the ticket show
was going to be.
Speaker 3: And it's a camera like right up in.
Speaker 5: There and you literally like give a detail about your pussy,
and so I was just like everyone was doing it,
and so I sat there and said, all.
Speaker 3: Right, let's rock it out.
Speaker 5: And so I it was like the first time I
had really like talked about it, like very in detail
and explained it to a bunch of people, and all
of the girls were like, that's amazing, Oh my gosh,
you have so such a unique pussy, and they posted
that I think it was on porn Hub and they
the messages I get from a bunch of people being like,
it was very admirable for you to talk about your
birth the fact, and because of that, like I feel
a lot more comfortable about mine, and so like sharing
that story actually like kind of like was very wholesome
and like warmed my heart in like a way that
I just.
Speaker 3: Really didn't expect.
Speaker 5: And like my fans too, Like now I talk about
it very openly on my live streams every week and they're.
Speaker 1: Like, we love your plastic cockey.
Speaker 3: That's amazing, you know, So they're just like my hype guys.
Speaker 1: And a lot of women are really self conscious about
their vagina, but like men just like vagina, Yeah.
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter, one of those things, like you can't
change certain things about yourself.
Speaker 1: Were you nervous about him seeing it for the first time.
Speaker 5: No, because back then I just didn't I didn't know, okay, Yeah,
And like that was like the other thing he had
told me when I was like, Babe, just like don't
get up close, like get a different angle or like
let me just like finger myself or whatever.
Speaker 3: He's like, Babe. In the amount of guys that you
have slept with in the past.
Speaker 5: Have they ever been like looked at your pussy and
said no, yeah, And I was like no, and he's like, okay,
you have nothing to worry about that baby like you are.
You are beautiful exactly the way that you are, and
everyone is going to learn to appreciate that. So now
it's kind of like, you know, I'm like, I have
the most unique pussy in the industry.
Speaker 3: Show me a more unique pussy than that. I don't know,
but uh yeah.
Speaker 1: So and you said that you've had to like teach
girls how to finger you probably yes.
Speaker 5: Yes, okay, so because of how the anatomy is, and
you'll see when when I show you the picture, you're like, okay,
I get it.
Speaker 3: You have to like there.
Speaker 5: Is a almost like a little U ball. It's like
a little ball that like sits out and you have
to push and like push that back up inside. So
girls don't know to how how much force they have
to do. It's not like they're jabbing it in there,
but you have to push harder than you know. Obviously
a girl that just has like an open hole. And
so before we shoot our threesomes, if we haven't shot
a girl girl beforehand, or you know, right before we
shoot the girl. Girl, I'm like, come over here and
let's do an anatomy lesson and I go take your
fingers and just push and they're like.
Speaker 3: Even with my nails.
Speaker 5: I'm like, there's no feeling at the online tissue, Like
even with your your non lesbian fingernails, you can push.
Speaker 3: Those bad boys up in there and it'll agree.
Speaker 5: And just you know, this is how it works because
in the past I used to not do that, And
then the girls are trying to figure it out and like,
in all honesty, I've been like poked in the pe
hole before and that They're like, oh, that must yeah,
and I'm like I've literally been like whoop and I'm like, no,
that's not the hole, the other one.
Speaker 3: And you gotta make the hole, you know, you gotta
org got me back up inside me.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So it's a it's been interesting, but now I just
own it and it's silly and it's funny, and you know,
the girls are like ha ha, They're like, oh, this
is fun. You know.
Speaker 1: It's amazing how like sex work and exposing yourself in
such a vulnerable way can actually help you accept your
body the way that it is, rather than like carry
this like secret shame with yourself, you know, like yeah,
because you don't get that feedback.
Speaker 4: It's perfect, right, you just gotta yea all what you got.
Speaker 5: Can't change it, and there's nothing there's nothing wrong with that. Yeah,
dicks coming all shapes and sizes, pussy's coming all. They're
like a little bit more uniform, I think, but like
they're also like you know, there's all over the place.
Speaker 1: Speaking, I have dicks. Because this is a question that
we get pretty frequently. Here is penis that is important
to you personally?
Speaker 3: For me, it's not.
Speaker 5: I definitely think there has to be a minimum of
like I have to be able to feel it up
inside me. Otherwise you better be very very great with
your tongue and your finger.
Speaker 3: But for me, I'm not like a size queen.
Speaker 5: The opposite of that, though, is because I don't have
a cervix, I can take a pretty fucking large dick.
So Cookie Daddy is very well endowed. He's got a
very grothy dick. He has been told by many of
our co stars. They are like, wow, that's a girthy boy.
I'm like, yep, and I can just get you know,
I can take it.
Speaker 1: If I get to see a picture of Virgina cause
they see a picture of a penis. Just because you
like talked it up.
Speaker 3: Feel we may have one or two them.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, amazing. Well, thank you guys so much
for coming on. It's been such a pure It's amazing.
I appreciate you driving all the way up of course
to come here. I know it was a bit of
a drive, so.
Speaker 4: You know what we call up here quite a bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we loved it, so thank you.
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Speaker 3: Bye.