Speaker 1: Joe Escalante live from Hollywood, Not really Hollywood. We're in
Speaker 1: Burbank and I'm not really Joe Escalante. I'm producer Sam.
Speaker 1: I'm Engineer Sam, and I have producer Nicki here with me.
Speaker 2: How you doing, Nicky, Hi, I'm good, producer Sam. This
Speaker 2: is engineer NICKI. Good to see you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess we're both feeling a little bit off today,
Speaker 1: but yeah, this is where you go and dig into
Speaker 1: the business end of showbiz. Joe Escalante is not quite
Speaker 1: here right now, but we do have him popping in
Speaker 1: a little bit later on. We're going to be playing
Speaker 1: that interview he did with the crew from Kneecap again.
Speaker 1: That was such a good interview and that is such
Speaker 1: a good movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I actually I caught up on the episode yesterday to
Speaker 3: hear how the interview went, and it was so cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, first off, the guys from Kneecap are great.
Speaker 4: They are.
Speaker 1: It's such a interesting topic that really nobody's ever really
Speaker 1: shed any light on. And you, the guys themselves are
Speaker 1: so cool to talk to that it makes it so
Speaker 1: that when you see the movie and you talk to
Speaker 1: them individually, you're like, Okay, yeah, no, this is you
Speaker 1: guys are built for this. These guys should be doing
Speaker 1: more than just making music. They need they need to
Speaker 1: be doing more acting gigs. They need more.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It was killer.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So we're going to get to that in the next
Speaker 1: segment and we're going to you can hear about that
Speaker 1: interview all over again. But right now, there's a couple
Speaker 1: of stories going on in Hollywood. One big one that
Speaker 1: we're talking about we're keeping our eyes on because it's
Speaker 1: an ever evolving story is stuff with ai and oh
Speaker 1: the open ai chat ept and all of that stuff.
Speaker 1: YouTubers are now getting a little bit upset about it,
Speaker 1: and they're filing a lawsuit against the creators of open
Speaker 1: Ai specifically because of them. I guess they created some
Speaker 1: kind of program or bought into some kind of program
Speaker 1: that skims through videos that are on YouTube for training models.
Speaker 1: I guess, Nikki, you know a lot more about the story.
Speaker 1: I read up on it, but you've got your fingers
Speaker 1: in this one. What's going on?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean I love following all the stories
Speaker 3: that have to deal with open ai and all of
Speaker 3: the kind of gray areas that they operate in try
Speaker 3: to get as much user data as possible to train
Speaker 3: their models to be as good as possible too, but
Speaker 3: of course that does come at the expense of people
Speaker 3: who are creating content for the Internet for free. Like
Speaker 3: basically this is either their job or their hobby, and
Speaker 3: now open ai is basically making a product that profits
Speaker 3: from their output. So what's going on here is that
Speaker 3: a YouTuber, David Millett, has sued open ai because his videos,
Speaker 3: along with tons of other YouTubers, were scrubbed by a
Speaker 3: tool created by open ai called whisper. Basically what happened
Speaker 3: is open ai has already scrubbed millions of things from
Speaker 3: the Internet for text based content. So anything that's ever
Speaker 3: been written online, any history book or website or blog
Speaker 3: or recipe, open AI's kind of already got that that
Speaker 3: never you ask chat GPT or written question, it can
Speaker 3: respond pretty well. But something that open ai has been
Speaker 3: doing recently is moving on to the next generation of
Speaker 3: chat GPT, which is a voice model. If you pay
Speaker 3: twenty bucks a month to chat GPT, you can get
Speaker 3: a version of it that talks to you a bit
Speaker 3: like the girl in the movie Her, kind of the
Speaker 3: character that exists on the phone that has a personality
Speaker 3: and a voice and even vocal quirks. A friend of
Speaker 3: mine has this version of chat GPT, and what he'll
Speaker 3: do is he'll talk to it, ask it to do
Speaker 3: different accents, different tones of voice. Even one time he
Speaker 3: asked it to do a stutter while explaining the concept
Speaker 3: of wild people like or why people stutter, which was
Speaker 3: hilarious and also super interesting that it knew what to do?
Speaker 3: You this fake voice, right, But of course, oh yeah, no,
Speaker 3: all of it. It's really interesting and it's worth giving
Speaker 3: it a try because it is super interesting. But of
Speaker 3: course it comes from vocal data that's being collected through
Speaker 3: scanning the Internet for these video clips of people speaking.
Speaker 3: And what this means is that open ai now has
Speaker 3: access to tons of recordings of people's voices that they
Speaker 3: did not initially consent to give to open ai as
Speaker 3: a company. And people are arguing that this is also
Speaker 3: violating California's unfair competition laws, basically meaning that the business
Speaker 3: practice of open ai is unlawful or unfair to the
Speaker 3: people that it's kind of dealing with. In this case,
Speaker 3: it would be YouTubers, meaning that it's violating YouTube's terms
Speaker 3: of service, which is that you know, other companies cannot
Speaker 3: really profit from the content that YouTube is creating that
Speaker 3: is created to post to YouTube. But that claim was
Speaker 3: actually dismissed in July, on July thirtieth. That was a
Speaker 3: different type of approach to it in this case. Now,
Speaker 3: I think the lawsuit is being used as a complaint
Speaker 3: from YouTube basically that this is violating its terms of
Speaker 3: service because it's being used. All these content is being
Speaker 3: used for independent applications such as CATCHYBT.
Speaker 1: Now, this is what I'm curious about. So it's not
Speaker 1: so much like they're not stealing the content, they're not
Speaker 1: getting the information from it. They're trying to see what
Speaker 1: vocal patterns they can draw from it and speech patterns
Speaker 1: from different YouTube hosts and presenters.
Speaker 4: It's not so much like this.
Speaker 3: It's a little bit unclear because I think part of it,
Speaker 3: I think part of it too, is it's like it's
Speaker 3: not necessarily the content in that Let's say it's a
Speaker 3: cooking video, right, They're not stealing, they're not maybe skimming
Speaker 3: or the recipe, but they are going to be skimming
Speaker 3: for the dialect, for the accent, for the who the
Speaker 3: voice is coming from, the age of the person. So
Speaker 3: it's not the content information wise of the video, but
Speaker 3: it's definitely the person that's speaking in the video. So
Speaker 3: I guess if that's part of someone's business, like it's
Speaker 3: not just a recipe page on YouTube, but it's their
Speaker 3: recipes from this background or this part of the country,
Speaker 3: or it's like a woman or a man or someone
Speaker 3: else who is doing this and that's part of their
Speaker 3: business model. In a way, it is taking part of
Speaker 3: that content because it is training based on the persona
Speaker 3: of the person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I can see where if it's like taking
Speaker 1: like say, you know, you read read me Warren Peace,
Speaker 1: but have it done by Uncle Roger from YouTube, then
Speaker 1: that that would be I could see that being problematic
Speaker 1: because it's like you're actually sampling a human you know
Speaker 1: who that is identifiable. But if it's just looking for
Speaker 1: speech patterns to like say like, for example, have have
Speaker 1: a Southern Valley girl read me you know a.
Speaker 5: Book on.
Speaker 1: Cooking pizza, you know, like it's going to look for
Speaker 1: speech patterns and how people communicate with each other, but
Speaker 1: not so much skimming it like how they did with
Speaker 1: the books and all of the other stuff where it's
Speaker 1: actually getting content.
Speaker 3: That's true too, But let's imagine that there is a
Speaker 3: southern California YouTuber who specializes in making pizza. Now, how
Speaker 3: similar is I don't really know how the algorithm is
Speaker 3: going to work internally for chatchept, but what are the
Speaker 3: odds that that persona that comes on is insanely similar
Speaker 3: to the persona of the person who is making that
Speaker 3: content on YouTube? I mean, who's to argue that the
Speaker 3: likeness is too similar. I'm not familiar with the laws
Speaker 3: and regulations that are kind of protecting chatchept from resembling
Speaker 3: someone too much in their affect.
Speaker 1: Well, Dave had we had this case. I think it
Speaker 1: was Gwyneth Paltrow. Wasn't it was?
Speaker 3: Was it? No?
Speaker 1: It was Scarlett Johansson, the voice of her from the
Speaker 1: movie Her sued them because they were almost like they
Speaker 1: were posting on Twitter and all that stuff about how yeah,
Speaker 1: this is now her and it was basically sounding identical
Speaker 1: to Scarlett Johansson's voice, and she ended up suing them
Speaker 1: because of that.
Speaker 2: Do you know if she won her if that's not
Speaker 2: long ago she.
Speaker 1: Did, I think that I'm not sure if that's still ongoing.
Speaker 1: We were definitely talking about it. I think Joe would
Speaker 1: remember that one and we'll look into it. So in
Speaker 1: the a little bit later on the show, we'll give
Speaker 1: you that information to find out exactly where that goes.
Speaker 1: But yeah, we're a little bit low on time in
Speaker 1: this segment, so we got to cut it short. But
Speaker 1: we're going to be right back. We're going to actually
Speaker 1: be back next segment. Let's talk. Let's hear from Joe
Speaker 1: and the crew from Kneecap, because that sounds like it
Speaker 1: and we heard we heard that interview last week and
Speaker 1: it was so nice. We're going to play it twice,
Speaker 1: all right, All right, back, Let's let's take a commercial
Speaker 1: break real quick and back with more on Live from
Speaker 1: Hollywood after Traffic Joe Escalante live from Hollywood, not Hollywood.
Speaker 1: We are just over the hill from Hollywood and Burbank.
Speaker 1: I'm engineer Sam, got producer Nikki here with me.
Speaker 4: We are back.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us on heeib AM
Speaker 1: eleven fifty and on your iHeartRadio app worldwide on the
Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app. So, Joe last week got a chance to
Speaker 1: interview the cast and crew from the movie Kneecap, and
Speaker 1: we both saw this and this is an incredible movie.
Speaker 1: Nikki give people kind of the rundown on the movie,
Speaker 1: and we're going to jump right into this interview with them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Kneecap was one of the better films I've seen
Speaker 3: maybe in my life, definitely this year, and it follows
Speaker 3: the story of two kind of delinquent rappers in Ireland,
Speaker 3: part of the c Fire generation, who learned to speak
Speaker 3: Irish from one of their fathers who was kind of
Speaker 3: a political leader and is currently in hiding, so they
Speaker 3: continue to speak Irish as part of like a like
Speaker 3: traditional Bailic exactly, Yeah, part of the rebellion against the
Speaker 3: system that they currently live in, and they cross paths
Speaker 3: with a music teacher who teaches at a local high school.
Speaker 3: They kind of come together and form this rap group
Speaker 3: called Kneecap in reference to some of the things that
Speaker 3: happened during the troubles in Ireland, and it follows their
Speaker 3: story as they sort of fight the power, grow as
Speaker 3: individuals and use their music to progress their ideals about
Speaker 3: what Ireland ought to be in kind of the modern age.
Speaker 3: What's the most amazing part is that the musicians play
Speaker 3: themselves in the film and they are incredible actors, So
Speaker 3: it's really fantastic to see this story take shape through
Speaker 3: the people who actually went through it themselves. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: highly recommend it. And we've got really lucky that Joe
Speaker 3: got to have an amazing interview with rich Pepiot, the director,
Speaker 3: as well as two of the musicians.
Speaker 2: So give it a listen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, here's Jill with the crew from NAP.
Speaker 6: We sat up WhatsApp group in twenty nineteen when we
Speaker 6: first started we first met and started working on the film,
Speaker 6: and that that WhatsApp group was called.
Speaker 5: It's a real coincidence.
Speaker 6: It was called knee Cap go to Hollywood, right, And
Speaker 6: so it's kind of crazy that here we are sitting
Speaker 6: in Hollywood with you.
Speaker 7: Are you really sitting in Hollywood?
Speaker 5: You're really around you, We're actually in Hollywood.
Speaker 6: Hand you an I'll see this and then your fridge.
Speaker 5: It wasn't fretting boiling it.
Speaker 7: Well you can gone.
Speaker 8: So I'm I'm you know, like most people around here
Speaker 8: where I live, half Irish upper half of lower half
Speaker 8: its inside.
Speaker 7: The half Mexican half Irish. That's a good mixture.
Speaker 8: Catholic people still r c Roman Catholic, still an ultar boys.
Speaker 4: Why you got the hair department in your hair?
Speaker 5: Hello, my son have.
Speaker 6: They been trying to get rid of you from the
Speaker 6: old boy for like twenty years. Now they're like, mate,
Speaker 6: it's time to give it up.
Speaker 5: Give someone else a mind, give somebody else a chance.
Speaker 7: With the bell so unattractive, evidently you're beautiful.
Speaker 8: But anyway, I love the movie. I've seen it a
Speaker 8: couple of times ahead of wife. There's no subtitles other
Speaker 8: than the Irish stuff, so it's when we hear Irish
Speaker 8: people speak English, it's hard to get everything, but it's
Speaker 8: part of the fun.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that's interesting because, yeah, it's.
Speaker 5: Some people don't struggle the streets with the accent of bit.
Speaker 6: And we did have lots of debates, you know, how
Speaker 6: much do you kind of subtitle things? Can you over
Speaker 6: subtitle things? And I kind of, you know, we kind
Speaker 6: of came to the conclusion that for the authenticity of things,
Speaker 6: we just think that it's better just to have left
Speaker 6: it and allow people to kind of enjoy it at
Speaker 6: whatever level they can. But it's crack and open the
Speaker 6: door to a world, do you know what I mean,
Speaker 6: and allowing you to look in, And I think that's
Speaker 6: part of the fun.
Speaker 8: You did the right thing, because of course of the
Speaker 8: movie I've been talking about this movie on my show
Speaker 8: for weeks, so I tell you to much about it.
Speaker 8: But you know, you're you're, you're, you're singing lyrics were
Speaker 8: when I'm going to band and nobody can understand my lyrics,
Speaker 8: you know, in English, you know, because it's.
Speaker 7: Punk rock and it just kind of comes at you fast,
Speaker 7: you know.
Speaker 8: So I think he did the right thing, and it
Speaker 8: could have been worse because it could have been in Scottish.
Speaker 9: A lot of people don't know whither that Irish is
Speaker 9: a language in itself, you know. Also, people are watching
Speaker 9: the film, there's the Aris languages, which is our indigenous
Speaker 9: language of the land for the two days in the years,
Speaker 9: and then there's people speaking Irish English, which sounds like
Speaker 9: people would say that the Irish is talking exposing.
Speaker 7: We have a we have Spanglish that people. Yes, let
Speaker 7: me get into that.
Speaker 8: You guys are, uh, you're part of this language movement now,
Speaker 8: but you were I mean in the movie it deals
Speaker 8: with that, like, how did our biggest advocate in the movie,
Speaker 8: it looks like you're the biggest advocates for the preservation
Speaker 8: of the Irish language, but you are what you guys
Speaker 8: call hoods and then they have to come to the
Speaker 8: realization that these guys are our best advocates to preserve
Speaker 8: our language.
Speaker 7: Is that what's your relationship like with the language movement?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 7: Are they are they proud of you? Or are they
Speaker 7: like a little bit that kind of stuff.
Speaker 10: I think there's an understanding that, Like, I'm sure there
Speaker 10: are some people who probably don't enjoy the way we
Speaker 10: intertwine youth culture with the language.
Speaker 7: They would prefer a whole bunch of drugs.
Speaker 10: Yeah, exactly, Hey, don't give away.
Speaker 5: All the secrets here.
Speaker 10: Yeah, So a lot of maybe would prefer if we
Speaker 10: just maintained a certain you know, you already a language
Speaker 10: and talked about fat cottages and traditional music, et cetera,
Speaker 10: et cetera. But I think especially there's a growing a
Speaker 10: big Irish language community because we came the realization that
Speaker 10: for a language to live, it has to have every
Speaker 10: element available to be at school, radio, social clubs and
Speaker 10: all this stuff. And part of that there is having
Speaker 10: music that young people will be interested to listen to.
Speaker 5: And they're going to listen.
Speaker 10: To Eminem or they're going to listen to some other
Speaker 10: hip hop music and English, then there's no reason why
Speaker 10: it shouldn't be available in Irish.
Speaker 9: It should be representative to the people who's coming up
Speaker 9: through and it gives you young people something to go,
Speaker 9: right that that's me.
Speaker 8: That's me.
Speaker 5: You can't be in Neede into music.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and you need something that will be banned from
Speaker 10: school and only anyway the language will survive if it
Speaker 10: if it exists in these places. You know that it's
Speaker 10: something that COMMI banned because they're that kind of mixing
Speaker 10: colon relevant for teenagers growing up and then they want
Speaker 10: to be a part of it. And that's just part
Speaker 10: of a living language.
Speaker 5: And well what I've talking about living language.
Speaker 6: I mean, what I found really fascinating from an early
Speaker 6: stage was that these boys were inventing words that were
Speaker 6: becoming falling into the lexicon of the language. And it's
Speaker 6: like to be, you know, one thing about a language
Speaker 6: being you know, so they're being relatively few speakers, you
Speaker 6: really can have a huge impact upon that language.
Speaker 9: Right.
Speaker 6: It's like it's very hard to have about it in
Speaker 6: past in the English language, right, you know, occasionally a
Speaker 6: word someone comes up with a word that kind of
Speaker 6: falls into usage. But these guys, yeah, you know, but
Speaker 6: these guys that you know, we're coming up with words
Speaker 6: on a monthly basis. They're releasing a song and these
Speaker 6: words were then being used. You know, when I first
Speaker 6: met them and I joined an Irish language class, half
Speaker 6: the people in that Irish language class were there because
Speaker 6: of Kneecap and that was in twenty nineteen. So that
Speaker 6: was the cultural impact that we're having then, and it's
Speaker 6: exciting to think that, you know now and then the
Speaker 6: film coming out and then growing and growing and growing.
Speaker 6: There are literally thousands of people on the island of
Speaker 6: Ireland who are right now learning language.
Speaker 5: Because of what these boys are doing.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that's incredible, and that's why it's such
Speaker 8: a perfect movie because it has so many layers of it.
Speaker 7: You can like it on these different layers.
Speaker 8: And then the one layer that it's a part of
Speaker 8: a real movement to preserve a language, which is super
Speaker 8: serious business but it's also entertaining.
Speaker 7: Is amazing music.
Speaker 8: And then you guys are playing yourselves in the movie,
Speaker 8: which is you know, since I'm from Hollywood, but my
Speaker 8: mind is is blowing because obviously that's wrong.
Speaker 7: You can't do that.
Speaker 1: Thank you Joe, Thank you guys from Kneecap. It was
Speaker 1: that and so far, that's like the first half of
Speaker 1: the interview. We're going to have the second half of
Speaker 1: the interview coming up on the other end of this break.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us right here on
Speaker 1: Joe Escalate Live from Hollywood. We're going to go and
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Speaker 1: be right back.
Speaker 4: There's my music.
Speaker 5: Here we go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll be right back.
Speaker 1: Joe Escalate Live from Hollywood. If not Hollywood, it's Superbank
Speaker 1: and you know, Hollywood kind of extends just.
Speaker 4: Beyond that little area.
Speaker 1: I guess there's so many pieces of southern California that
Speaker 1: fall into the Hollywood umbrella. But anyways, I digress. I'm
Speaker 1: an engineer, Sam. This is Joe Escalate Live from Hollywood.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us on AM eleven
Speaker 1: fifty and on your iHeartRadio app. Producer Nicki is here
Speaker 1: with me. We got Joe with the crew from Kneecap.
Speaker 1: Let's get back to that interview. Joe take it away.
Speaker 8: So you guys approved everybody else wrong that you you're
Speaker 8: starting a language revolution and you're playing yourself in a movie.
Speaker 8: When I first heard that, I go, well, this is
Speaker 8: gonna you know, be interesting, but it's going to have
Speaker 8: bad acting. I was in a movie called when I
Speaker 8: was younger called Suburbia, which is a movie about punk rock,
Speaker 8: and they cast all real punk rockers from the Hollywood
Speaker 8: scene to play all the parts. Every actor was bad.
Speaker 8: It was awful, and the movie is like, it's a
Speaker 8: great movie. It's but the acting is terrible. That you
Speaker 8: guys are great. You could be in any movie as actors.
Speaker 8: And I think that's really what people are going to be.
Speaker 8: Just one of the levels people are going to be
Speaker 8: surprised on who came up with that idea?
Speaker 7: Was that rich? The directory it was?
Speaker 5: It was never really it was never really something that
Speaker 5: was discussed. It was, you know, it's such a.
Speaker 6: To make a film about a band that's never really
Speaker 6: never released an album, that didn't have a record label,
Speaker 6: that were wrapping the language that so few people spoke.
Speaker 6: It doesn't make sense to make a movie about that
Speaker 6: on paper, right.
Speaker 7: And it's so light, So it's like that, so we're
Speaker 7: not putting my money in it.
Speaker 6: No, exactly exactly and no one's going to watch that,
Speaker 6: right and so but weirdly it was so niche that
Speaker 6: suddenly it was like that's the very reason we need
Speaker 6: to make.
Speaker 5: It because it sounds so mad.
Speaker 6: It's like either going to be terrible or brilliant, right,
Speaker 6: But obviously it's if no one even knows who the
Speaker 6: band are, then it's weird to get people to play
Speaker 6: them because you know what I mean, It's like we
Speaker 6: didn't know they were in the first place, so who
Speaker 6: were they? It just got confusing. So it was never
Speaker 6: really discussed the idea of anyone else playing it other
Speaker 6: than was it Denzel Washington was going to play. You
Speaker 6: wanted to play him, but you know, they were scrambling
Speaker 6: at in it a bit, but we said, no, it's
Speaker 6: going to stick to stick to playing themselves.
Speaker 9: Yeah, Brad Brad's he let himself call for a few
Speaker 9: months when he was doing one of these.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like my Physiq, it.
Speaker 7: Just wasn't a squig. Are you guys the bands are blind?
Speaker 5: Yes, of course I love the Blome.
Speaker 7: I'm the manager of the Blind.
Speaker 5: No way.
Speaker 8: We're going through the same thing right now with Sony
Speaker 8: Pictures trying to cast and get put together a movie
Speaker 8: about the band Sublime and the the story of the
Speaker 8: guy developing for music and then dying when he's twenty
Speaker 8: eight and then and then it's spawning this big thing.
Speaker 7: It's a pretty good story, but we got stripped. There's
Speaker 7: a scritfully yeah, ut nailed down. It's agent. Have your
Speaker 7: agent send it over to Chair and Entertainment.
Speaker 2: I love.
Speaker 6: I mean that was you know when I was about
Speaker 6: When I was eighteen years old, I fell in love
Speaker 6: with a Californian girl and I moved to Isla Vista,
Speaker 6: right and I lived in she was went to UCSB
Speaker 6: and I lived there. And that's when I was first
Speaker 6: exposed to Sublime, and I was just I just fell
Speaker 6: in love with Sublime, and it was just it's a
Speaker 6: soundtrack of my life, you know, late teen thirty twenties,
Speaker 6: and yeah.
Speaker 7: Okay, then give me some advice, would you care.
Speaker 8: Bradley Nole's twenty eight year old son as Bradley Nole,
Speaker 8: the singer who died at age twenty eight, And now
Speaker 8: he's the singer of Sublime in there playing all over
Speaker 8: all the festivals right now.
Speaker 7: He's took he's tookn over. He took over for his
Speaker 7: dad as the singer of the Big Yah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I know that I know him as well?
Speaker 5: Does he does? He look like him as well?
Speaker 7: Yes, he looks like him, sounds like them.
Speaker 6: Well, I think the big question, right is you know,
Speaker 6: in all of the time of trying to get the
Speaker 6: film funded and everything like that, you'd have these meetings
Speaker 6: people and they'd be like, we love the script, we
Speaker 6: think there's potential here, but you know, you're getting the
Speaker 6: guys to play themselves.
Speaker 5: Can they act?
Speaker 6: And obviously when you're trying to fund the movie, you'll
Speaker 6: say freaking anything, right, It's like you just.
Speaker 5: Go, yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 6: I never was like and then they'd be like, can
Speaker 6: you never get something on tape? And I was like, no, no, no,
Speaker 6: you know, yeah, I'll get something too late, and it
Speaker 6: never quite happened. And you know, but there was work
Speaker 6: to do, Like we did six months of acting classes, you.
Speaker 5: Know, to get yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: It was not anywhere near a case of just walk
Speaker 6: on set and knock it out. There was six months
Speaker 6: of hard work of really learning the craft and understanding
Speaker 6: you know that these guys who.
Speaker 5: Can perform, they could perform.
Speaker 6: But there's a big difference to performing on stage and
Speaker 6: performing with a camera six inches from your face, right,
Speaker 6: It's a very different kind of But once you've I
Speaker 6: think everyone can act right, it's just what do you
Speaker 6: have the toolbox to quite understand the process of that.
Speaker 6: And so it was for all of us, you know,
Speaker 6: I did at the acting course with them. We had
Speaker 6: a great acting coach called Kieren Lagan, and over the
Speaker 6: course of six months, it was understand that acting's reacting right,
Speaker 6: It's about being present in the moment. It's about listening
Speaker 6: as much as it is talking. And you know and
Speaker 6: understand that great actors they give a lot, They give
Speaker 6: you a lot to react off of, and surrounding your
Speaker 6: cast and experience with experienced people is you know, actually
Speaker 6: something that can really help raise everyone's game. So I
Speaker 6: think the only question you need to answer is is
Speaker 6: he prepared to you know, if you prepared to learn
Speaker 6: the crime?
Speaker 5: Do you know, do the work? Do the work? Because
Speaker 5: this is the thing is that these boys did the work.
Speaker 6: None of the you know and behind the anarchic you know,
Speaker 6: spirit and everything about Kneecap, they you know, these boys
Speaker 6: are you know when it comes to knuckling down doing
Speaker 6: the work, they do the work right because nothing happened,
Speaker 6: you know, nothing happens. You know, they're not blessed, They're
Speaker 6: not blessed, you know, it's like they have to do
Speaker 6: the work to get first.
Speaker 5: I mean touched, you.
Speaker 7: Did touch me?
Speaker 8: Okay, So let me ask you another question about your movie,
Speaker 8: which I guess is going to be released here worldwide
Speaker 8: in August and everyone's got to see A kneecap Is
Speaker 8: and you're going to fall in love with the town
Speaker 8: and the people in it, and another level of why
Speaker 8: this movie is so much fun?
Speaker 7: What's the town like?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 8: Do you guys still live there? I know, DJ probably
Speaker 8: is that you say probably? Probably you were a teacher
Speaker 8: there and you had you yeah, every day day city,
Speaker 8: but I was, I was teaching up round there.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you guys still live there? What's it? What's it like?
Speaker 7: I live there?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Me and Macara still live there. I still live there.
Speaker 5: He we've adopted.
Speaker 10: We've adopted him as an honorary Irishman.
Speaker 7: He hasn't haven't got your ash passport yet.
Speaker 5: So it's in the post and they both. It's a
Speaker 5: very fun setting.
Speaker 7: It's a thriving city.
Speaker 10: It's there's lots of like really good music, good traditional music.
Speaker 10: There's a good history of punk music and Belfast going
Speaker 10: back to Stiff Little Fingers and the Outcasts as well.
Speaker 7: I've played with them many times.
Speaker 6: It's a graffiti capital of Europe, the web capital, the
Speaker 6: graffiti capital graf He had.
Speaker 7: Some good stuff.
Speaker 8: What was your band called you, my Ben It's called
Speaker 8: the Vandals, the.
Speaker 7: Believes. The amount of people we've ever had at a
Speaker 7: show was in Belfast.
Speaker 10: We've played a gig the other day in Portugal and
Speaker 10: we had about ten people there.
Speaker 5: Song Storm and he was on the same time. Doesn't
Speaker 5: just stole our audience.
Speaker 10: We're bad onone gig and there was four of other people,
Speaker 10: and then the next gig there was time people.
Speaker 5: And so I keep you.
Speaker 7: Humble, keep you humble. Anyway, there they're telling me my
Speaker 7: time is out.
Speaker 8: So I want to say thank you guys for all
Speaker 8: your advice and your dedication to making this movie. Come
Speaker 8: home live and read it for you, making it look
Speaker 8: so awesome and see you at the Oscars.
Speaker 3: Huge thank you to Joe and everybody at Kneecap for
Speaker 3: making this interview possible. It was fantastic to learn more
Speaker 3: about the film and guys, anybody who wants to watch Kneecap.
Speaker 3: It has been released in the United States as of
Speaker 3: August second, so go find it.
Speaker 2: It's Sony pictures and it's amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were lucky we got screeners of it, but
Speaker 1: I actually want to go and see it on the
Speaker 1: big screen because I know I want to contribute money
Speaker 1: to this film, and I don't have much of that
Speaker 1: right now. That's how much I like it. So we're
Speaker 1: gonna go to break, We're gonna come right back, and
Speaker 1: we're gonna wrap things up here from Joe Escalatee Live
Speaker 1: from Hollywood.
Speaker 5: Joe Esclatee.
Speaker 1: Loyal, you don't want money, Joe Escalatee Live from Hollywood.
Speaker 1: We're in Burbank. We're not gonna lie anymore. We're just
Speaker 1: not gonna call it live from Burbank. It doesn't have
Speaker 1: the same punch. I'm engineer, Sam. I got producer Nikki here.
Speaker 1: How are you doing, Nicky? I'm doing great?
Speaker 2: How about you? Sam?
Speaker 1: Hanging in there. We got one more segment to go.
Speaker 1: We want to clarify something that we brought up earlier
Speaker 1: in the show, the outcome of the Scarlett Johansson chat
Speaker 1: GBT loss that we were discussing earlier. I guess it
Speaker 1: was in so much a lawsuit as it was with
Speaker 1: cease and desist.
Speaker 3: I guess that's what it looks like I haven't seen
Speaker 3: the exact phrasings between lawsuits heason desist, but I think
Speaker 3: that language has probably all been removed to keep things
Speaker 3: as simple as possible for any speculators on this subject.
Speaker 3: But it looks like Sam Altman had approached Scarlett Johansson
Speaker 3: in September of I think twenty twenty three and had asked,
Speaker 3: actually if Scarlett would loan her voice to the program
Speaker 3: for you know, he thought it would be comforting to
Speaker 3: kind of resemble the film her right where actually similar
Speaker 3: to what our listeners may be experiencing now, a disembodied
Speaker 3: voice named Sam is talking to the main character. Scarlett
Speaker 3: had declined that offer, and then come February of this year,
Speaker 3: is hearing a very similar voice to her own named
Speaker 3: Sky as part of the chat GPT language model, and
Speaker 3: was extremely upset about the similarities between her own voice
Speaker 3: and this model. So in the upset, it seems like
Speaker 3: there was probably a cease and desist involved because they
Speaker 3: had phased out the voice called Sky, which really resembled
Speaker 3: Scarlett Johansson's voice.
Speaker 2: So it seems as if it's settled.
Speaker 3: There hasn't really been much talk about this since February
Speaker 3: and the statement from Open AI saying they would remove
Speaker 3: the voice.
Speaker 2: So hopefully we can all sleep at.
Speaker 3: Night knowing that we will never have her sam model
Speaker 3: of our own.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't know about you, but I have
Speaker 1: not been able to sleep at night ever since I
Speaker 1: saw Olympic break dancing.
Speaker 3: I've been having the most vivid dreams of becoming an
Speaker 3: Olympian since.
Speaker 2: Now I know just how accessible it is to me.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I may need to move to Australia and
Speaker 1: claim citizenship because I'm forty five. But I'm an old
Speaker 1: I'm an old breaker. I'm seriously poppin' lockin. I got
Speaker 1: that stuff down. I grew up on breaking and breaking too.
Speaker 1: I don't think this woman even watched elect Rick Boogoloo.
Speaker 3: I think though, that she may have been the only
Speaker 3: breakdancer who would pass a drug test.
Speaker 2: And this seems like me.
Speaker 1: I think you had to be on excessive amount of
Speaker 1: drugs to think the bunny hop was a smart move.
Speaker 3: I was sobriety speaking, it was roaring in that moment.
Speaker 2: I think that was amazing.
Speaker 3: I love knowing that the stuff I'm doing in my
Speaker 3: own house and the comfort of my own home when
Speaker 3: no one's around me and I've had way too much
Speaker 3: coffee could be considered an Olympic activity.
Speaker 1: All I know is I've seen competitions from around the world.
Speaker 1: I've seen and I mean, my body is broken. I
Speaker 1: can't do this stuff for the life of me anymore.
Speaker 1: But I'm not sure if they get YouTube in Australia
Speaker 1: and like they just like just recently got VHS copies
Speaker 1: of beet Street because that's that looked like she was
Speaker 1: just like she like she was just born and was
Speaker 1: like just trying to find her way to figure out
Speaker 1: how to stand up.
Speaker 4: It was weird.
Speaker 2: I liked it.
Speaker 3: I admired that I could watch something like that on
Speaker 3: TV in that level of quality of camera and production.
Speaker 3: I have to say I liked her outfit. I mean,
Speaker 3: the jumping was a little bit excessive. I don't think
Speaker 3: it was breakdancing, but I was very entertained.
Speaker 10: I was now.
Speaker 4: It was very entertaining. It was also very baffling and bewildering.
Speaker 1: And because seriously I grew up, I remember the eighty
Speaker 1: four Olympics when you know, they had the opening ceremonies
Speaker 1: and this was legit maybe the first time breakdancing on
Speaker 1: a wide scale had been introduced on a world stage,
Speaker 1: because it was something that like maybe at that point
Speaker 1: people around them saw Beat Street, like somebody got like
Speaker 1: a bootleg copy of Beat Street in Guatemala or something
Speaker 1: like that, and they saw breaking and breaking too, because
Speaker 1: this was nineteen eighty four, right around Breaking was coming.
Speaker 4: So I was five years old and I remember Lionel.
Speaker 1: Ritchie singing all nine long and breakdancers doing their thing
Speaker 1: all around him.
Speaker 7: It was amazing.
Speaker 1: And I get the feeling that like she saw the
Speaker 1: footage of that just recently, like it just happened to
Speaker 1: like a VHS copy or a Beta Max copy happened
Speaker 1: to like come floating down the ocean and wound up,
Speaker 1: you know, making it through the Great Barrier reef and
Speaker 1: crashing on the shores of Sydney. And she picked it
Speaker 1: up and she says, oh, what is this And she
Speaker 1: puts it into a Beta Max player and she's like,
Speaker 1: I can do that. And the Olympics are just coming
Speaker 1: up and they got break dancing.
Speaker 4: I can do this.
Speaker 3: Have you ever seen the vine called Hi, I'm Ornada
Speaker 3: Bliss and I'm your freestyle dance teacher. Yes, you ever
Speaker 3: seen that. Vinet's what that reminded me of. I feel
Speaker 3: like they could be related. Oh my god, it was amazing.
Speaker 3: Now I give her credit for trying.
Speaker 1: I mean, seriously, you have to have guts to go
Speaker 1: on an international stage.
Speaker 4: And I mean seriously.
Speaker 1: I remember being a kid and I was like, I
Speaker 1: used to break dance when I was five years old
Speaker 1: because I had seen break Ins one and two and
Speaker 1: I was like all about it, and I was jealous
Speaker 1: of all the little kids that were out there not
Speaker 1: too far from where I lived, at the coliseum. I
Speaker 1: wanted to be there and I was like, I want
Speaker 1: to do that. And now it appears that I still can.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 3: I think you can. I really think you have it
Speaker 3: in you. It was either that or ping pong or
Speaker 3: shooting cool.
Speaker 1: I hate that Turkish shooter became like the stud of
Speaker 1: the in and of the Olympics, aside from the French
Speaker 1: pole vaulter.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that was so funny. First of all, the
Speaker 3: Turkish guy, I see my father in him. So I
Speaker 3: really have a soft spot in my heart for that dude.
Speaker 2: He was soothe.
Speaker 4: This dude out there.
Speaker 1: I mean other Olympians would get gold medals and do
Speaker 1: the pose that he did.
Speaker 4: He was that smooth with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a killer for show.
Speaker 3: But I think that the French pole vaulter guy, I
Speaker 3: mean coming in second because of that, that is actually
Speaker 3: coming in first, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he won it life, he.
Speaker 2: Won the Olympics.
Speaker 3: It's like, no, no, babe, you're perfect the way you are.
Speaker 2: I hate it when pole vulters win gold. You know, well,
Speaker 2: I hate that.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure he even needed the poll.
Speaker 1: Oh, just give him a viagra and a running start
Speaker 1: and he'll clear everything.
Speaker 4: Geez, good, good on him, My god.
Speaker 2: Yeah we can. We can do break dancing.
Speaker 3: I think next summer Olympics, we've got to have We've got.
Speaker 2: To have something else.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe accommodate some of our some of our genetically
Speaker 3: predisposed champions.
Speaker 1: Bowling, bowling, bowling. I want bowling. That'll give all of
Speaker 1: us a shot.
Speaker 2: That's fair, Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 5: Cool.
Speaker 1: Also, before we go, NBA on TNT, we'd been talking
Speaker 1: about this for the last few weeks, and this is
Speaker 1: actually interesting. TNT is upset and they tried to file
Speaker 1: a lawsuit against the NBA. And because the idea that
Speaker 1: they had was that they had to match the offer
Speaker 1: from because the NBA is trying to put together a
Speaker 1: new broadcast deal, a multi billion dollar deal that involves NBC, ESPN,
Speaker 1: and Amazon Prime, and what TNT believed was that they
Speaker 1: had to match the offer of Amazon Prime. And it
Speaker 1: turns out that nope, when this when the contract was
Speaker 1: set and everything like that was like, when the option
Speaker 1: for TNT to match the offers of the other networks
Speaker 1: was put into that contract, Amazon Prime was not even
Speaker 1: a thing. So the idea was that they had to
Speaker 1: match the offers of other networks, not other streaming services.
Speaker 1: So TNT put together a package to match the deal
Speaker 1: of Amazon Prime, and that wasn't what they were talking about.
Speaker 1: So now basically, the NBA made it so that instead
Speaker 1: of TNT having to raise enough money to put together
Speaker 1: a deal to match something one of those three competitors,
Speaker 1: they TNT matched Amazon, and NBA is like, nope, you
Speaker 1: had to match the other guys, and the other guys
Speaker 1: paid a lot more and TNT isn't willing to match that.
Speaker 1: So it looks like this will be the last season
Speaker 1: of NBA on TNT, which means last season of Inside
Speaker 1: the NBA Emmy winning show arguably one of the funniest
Speaker 1: shows on TV, and if you haven't seen it, you're
Speaker 1: missing an American treasure.
Speaker 4: You need to go and watch it.
Speaker 1: It's going to be the last season of it's heartbreaking
Speaker 1: because it would be nice. I think the NBA was like, well,
Speaker 1: one of these networks wants to bring all of you
Speaker 1: guys over. But the main cannon on the show, Ernie Johnson,
Speaker 1: and said, I'm not going anywhere. I've been on T
Speaker 1: and T for the last forty something years and he
Speaker 1: is much more of I guess he has something called
Speaker 1: loyalty to him, so he's.
Speaker 4: Not going to go and jump ship.
Speaker 1: Charles Barkley, another huge major piece of the equation for them,
Speaker 1: said he's retiring at the end of this year. So
Speaker 1: it's a shame. It's sad, but this is the way
Speaker 1: business goes, and they just took away something. They're about
Speaker 1: to take something away from us that we all love
Speaker 1: and kind of hold sacred, especially if you're a basketball fan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to.
Speaker 3: I really have to give you props for your ability
Speaker 3: to do radio while you're sobbing into your shirt.
Speaker 1: Oh I know, it's yeah, I'm right, I'm going.
Speaker 2: To be your tears right now, man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I'm crying in my weedies and diluting the milk.
Speaker 1: Anyways, that's what's going on right now, and it looks
Speaker 1: like we're up on the wall of the hard break.
Speaker 4: But we'll be.
Speaker 1: Right back or this and then we'll be out of here.
Speaker 1: Have a good night, y'all, will see you later. This
Speaker 1: is Joe Escalante, and I'm not Joe Escalante. I'm saying
Speaker 1: that's producer Nikki. See y'all next week.
Speaker 5: Hi might