WEBVTT 1 00:00:08.480 --> 00:00:12.800 Joe Escalante live from Hollywood, Not really Hollywood. We're in 2 00:00:12.880 --> 00:00:16.760 Burbank and I'm not really Joe Escalante. I'm producer Sam. 3 00:00:16.800 --> 00:00:20.120 I'm Engineer Sam, and I have producer Nicki here with me. 4 00:00:20.160 --> 00:00:23.399 How you doing, Nicky, Hi, I'm good, producer Sam. This 5 00:00:23.480 --> 00:00:25.160 is engineer NICKI. Good to see you. 6 00:00:25.839 --> 00:00:29.559 Yeah, I guess we're both feeling a little bit off today, 7 00:00:29.600 --> 00:00:31.800 but yeah, this is where you go and dig into 8 00:00:31.879 --> 00:00:36.240 the business end of showbiz. Joe Escalante is not quite 9 00:00:36.280 --> 00:00:38.479 here right now, but we do have him popping in 10 00:00:38.520 --> 00:00:40.359 a little bit later on. We're going to be playing 11 00:00:40.359 --> 00:00:43.200 that interview he did with the crew from Kneecap again. 12 00:00:43.880 --> 00:00:46.359 That was such a good interview and that is such 13 00:00:46.399 --> 00:00:47.640 a good movie. 14 00:00:48.159 --> 00:00:48.399 Yeah. 15 00:00:48.439 --> 00:00:52.200 I actually I caught up on the episode yesterday to 16 00:00:52.240 --> 00:00:54.799 hear how the interview went, and it was so cool. 17 00:00:55.479 --> 00:00:58.359 Yeah. I mean, first off, the guys from Kneecap are great. 18 00:00:58.600 --> 00:00:58.960 They are. 19 00:01:00.159 --> 00:01:04.519 It's such a interesting topic that really nobody's ever really 20 00:01:04.560 --> 00:01:07.959 shed any light on. And you, the guys themselves are 21 00:01:08.079 --> 00:01:10.599 so cool to talk to that it makes it so 22 00:01:10.680 --> 00:01:12.400 that when you see the movie and you talk to 23 00:01:12.439 --> 00:01:15.599 them individually, you're like, Okay, yeah, no, this is you 24 00:01:15.640 --> 00:01:17.640 guys are built for this. These guys should be doing 25 00:01:17.680 --> 00:01:19.760 more than just making music. They need they need to 26 00:01:19.799 --> 00:01:22.680 be doing more acting gigs. They need more. 27 00:01:23.760 --> 00:01:24.840 Yeah. It was killer. 28 00:01:25.239 --> 00:01:26.040 Yeah. 29 00:01:26.319 --> 00:01:28.239 So we're going to get to that in the next 30 00:01:28.280 --> 00:01:30.319 segment and we're going to you can hear about that 31 00:01:30.439 --> 00:01:33.400 interview all over again. But right now, there's a couple 32 00:01:33.400 --> 00:01:36.120 of stories going on in Hollywood. One big one that 33 00:01:36.159 --> 00:01:38.359 we're talking about we're keeping our eyes on because it's 34 00:01:38.359 --> 00:01:42.840 an ever evolving story is stuff with ai and oh 35 00:01:43.480 --> 00:01:46.239 the open ai chat ept and all of that stuff. 36 00:01:47.079 --> 00:01:50.359 YouTubers are now getting a little bit upset about it, 37 00:01:50.359 --> 00:01:54.319 and they're filing a lawsuit against the creators of open 38 00:01:54.400 --> 00:01:59.000 Ai specifically because of them. I guess they created some 39 00:01:59.120 --> 00:02:01.760 kind of program or bought into some kind of program 40 00:02:02.040 --> 00:02:07.120 that skims through videos that are on YouTube for training models. 41 00:02:07.159 --> 00:02:09.599 I guess, Nikki, you know a lot more about the story. 42 00:02:09.719 --> 00:02:11.840 I read up on it, but you've got your fingers 43 00:02:11.840 --> 00:02:12.879 in this one. What's going on? 44 00:02:12.960 --> 00:02:15.639 Oh yeah, I mean I love following all the stories 45 00:02:15.719 --> 00:02:17.840 that have to deal with open ai and all of 46 00:02:17.919 --> 00:02:20.360 the kind of gray areas that they operate in try 47 00:02:20.400 --> 00:02:22.960 to get as much user data as possible to train 48 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:25.719 their models to be as good as possible too, but 49 00:02:25.759 --> 00:02:28.520 of course that does come at the expense of people 50 00:02:28.520 --> 00:02:31.800 who are creating content for the Internet for free. Like 51 00:02:31.879 --> 00:02:34.639 basically this is either their job or their hobby, and 52 00:02:34.719 --> 00:02:38.240 now open ai is basically making a product that profits 53 00:02:38.319 --> 00:02:41.960 from their output. So what's going on here is that 54 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:47.680 a YouTuber, David Millett, has sued open ai because his videos, 55 00:02:47.840 --> 00:02:51.199 along with tons of other YouTubers, were scrubbed by a 56 00:02:51.240 --> 00:02:55.680 tool created by open ai called whisper. Basically what happened 57 00:02:55.840 --> 00:03:01.240 is open ai has already scrubbed millions of things from 58 00:03:01.240 --> 00:03:04.840 the Internet for text based content. So anything that's ever 59 00:03:04.879 --> 00:03:08.639 been written online, any history book or website or blog 60 00:03:08.719 --> 00:03:12.599 or recipe, open AI's kind of already got that that 61 00:03:13.039 --> 00:03:15.360 never you ask chat GPT or written question, it can 62 00:03:15.439 --> 00:03:18.680 respond pretty well. But something that open ai has been 63 00:03:18.680 --> 00:03:21.919 doing recently is moving on to the next generation of 64 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:25.199 chat GPT, which is a voice model. If you pay 65 00:03:25.240 --> 00:03:28.280 twenty bucks a month to chat GPT, you can get 66 00:03:28.319 --> 00:03:30.039 a version of it that talks to you a bit 67 00:03:30.120 --> 00:03:33.360 like the girl in the movie Her, kind of the 68 00:03:33.639 --> 00:03:36.159 character that exists on the phone that has a personality 69 00:03:36.199 --> 00:03:39.599 and a voice and even vocal quirks. A friend of 70 00:03:39.639 --> 00:03:43.479 mine has this version of chat GPT, and what he'll 71 00:03:43.520 --> 00:03:45.479 do is he'll talk to it, ask it to do 72 00:03:45.560 --> 00:03:49.960 different accents, different tones of voice. Even one time he 73 00:03:50.080 --> 00:03:53.719 asked it to do a stutter while explaining the concept 74 00:03:53.759 --> 00:03:56.719 of wild people like or why people stutter, which was 75 00:03:56.919 --> 00:03:59.960 hilarious and also super interesting that it knew what to do? 76 00:04:00.039 --> 00:04:05.599 You this fake voice, right, But of course, oh yeah, no, 77 00:04:05.719 --> 00:04:08.280 all of it. It's really interesting and it's worth giving 78 00:04:08.280 --> 00:04:11.120 it a try because it is super interesting. But of 79 00:04:11.159 --> 00:04:15.080 course it comes from vocal data that's being collected through 80 00:04:15.759 --> 00:04:19.079 scanning the Internet for these video clips of people speaking. 81 00:04:19.480 --> 00:04:22.120 And what this means is that open ai now has 82 00:04:22.240 --> 00:04:25.720 access to tons of recordings of people's voices that they 83 00:04:25.759 --> 00:04:30.040 did not initially consent to give to open ai as 84 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:32.959 a company. And people are arguing that this is also 85 00:04:34.360 --> 00:04:40.839 violating California's unfair competition laws, basically meaning that the business 86 00:04:40.920 --> 00:04:44.879 practice of open ai is unlawful or unfair to the 87 00:04:44.879 --> 00:04:46.720 people that it's kind of dealing with. In this case, 88 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:52.199 it would be YouTubers, meaning that it's violating YouTube's terms 89 00:04:52.199 --> 00:04:56.759 of service, which is that you know, other companies cannot 90 00:04:56.759 --> 00:05:00.759 really profit from the content that YouTube is creating that 91 00:05:01.120 --> 00:05:04.319 is created to post to YouTube. But that claim was 92 00:05:04.360 --> 00:05:09.879 actually dismissed in July, on July thirtieth. That was a 93 00:05:09.879 --> 00:05:13.800 different type of approach to it in this case. Now, 94 00:05:13.800 --> 00:05:17.759 I think the lawsuit is being used as a complaint 95 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:22.879 from YouTube basically that this is violating its terms of 96 00:05:22.879 --> 00:05:25.519 service because it's being used. All these content is being 97 00:05:25.600 --> 00:05:28.680 used for independent applications such as CATCHYBT. 98 00:05:29.040 --> 00:05:31.639 Now, this is what I'm curious about. So it's not 99 00:05:31.680 --> 00:05:35.160 so much like they're not stealing the content, they're not 100 00:05:35.160 --> 00:05:37.839 getting the information from it. They're trying to see what 101 00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:41.800 vocal patterns they can draw from it and speech patterns 102 00:05:42.079 --> 00:05:45.560 from different YouTube hosts and presenters. 103 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:47.000 It's not so much like this. 104 00:05:47.199 --> 00:05:50.040 It's a little bit unclear because I think part of it, 105 00:05:50.800 --> 00:05:52.560 I think part of it too, is it's like it's 106 00:05:53.040 --> 00:05:55.519 not necessarily the content in that Let's say it's a 107 00:05:55.560 --> 00:05:59.759 cooking video, right, They're not stealing, they're not maybe skimming 108 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:02.439 or the recipe, but they are going to be skimming 109 00:06:02.519 --> 00:06:05.639 for the dialect, for the accent, for the who the 110 00:06:05.720 --> 00:06:08.480 voice is coming from, the age of the person. So 111 00:06:08.839 --> 00:06:12.800 it's not the content information wise of the video, but 112 00:06:12.839 --> 00:06:16.639 it's definitely the person that's speaking in the video. So 113 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:19.720 I guess if that's part of someone's business, like it's 114 00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:22.439 not just a recipe page on YouTube, but it's their 115 00:06:22.480 --> 00:06:25.560 recipes from this background or this part of the country, 116 00:06:26.399 --> 00:06:28.240 or it's like a woman or a man or someone 117 00:06:28.319 --> 00:06:30.759 else who is doing this and that's part of their 118 00:06:30.800 --> 00:06:33.480 business model. In a way, it is taking part of 119 00:06:33.519 --> 00:06:36.040 that content because it is training based on the persona 120 00:06:36.120 --> 00:06:36.680 of the person. 121 00:06:36.920 --> 00:06:39.000 Yeah, so I can see where if it's like taking 122 00:06:39.079 --> 00:06:42.480 like say, you know, you read read me Warren Peace, 123 00:06:42.519 --> 00:06:46.199 but have it done by Uncle Roger from YouTube, then 124 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:49.839 that that would be I could see that being problematic 125 00:06:49.839 --> 00:06:53.560 because it's like you're actually sampling a human you know 126 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:56.439 who that is identifiable. But if it's just looking for 127 00:06:56.480 --> 00:07:01.279 speech patterns to like say like, for example, have have 128 00:07:01.519 --> 00:07:07.240 a Southern Valley girl read me you know a. 129 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:07.360 Book on. 130 00:07:08.800 --> 00:07:13.199 Cooking pizza, you know, like it's going to look for 131 00:07:13.399 --> 00:07:17.360 speech patterns and how people communicate with each other, but 132 00:07:17.519 --> 00:07:19.879 not so much skimming it like how they did with 133 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:21.920 the books and all of the other stuff where it's 134 00:07:21.959 --> 00:07:23.079 actually getting content. 135 00:07:24.439 --> 00:07:27.160 That's true too, But let's imagine that there is a 136 00:07:27.560 --> 00:07:32.639 southern California YouTuber who specializes in making pizza. Now, how 137 00:07:32.680 --> 00:07:35.480 similar is I don't really know how the algorithm is 138 00:07:35.519 --> 00:07:39.000 going to work internally for chatchept, but what are the 139 00:07:39.040 --> 00:07:43.560 odds that that persona that comes on is insanely similar 140 00:07:43.720 --> 00:07:45.959 to the persona of the person who is making that 141 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:48.439 content on YouTube? I mean, who's to argue that the 142 00:07:48.560 --> 00:07:51.720 likeness is too similar. I'm not familiar with the laws 143 00:07:51.720 --> 00:07:55.839 and regulations that are kind of protecting chatchept from resembling 144 00:07:55.879 --> 00:07:58.120 someone too much in their affect. 145 00:07:58.319 --> 00:08:00.480 Well, Dave had we had this case. I think it 146 00:08:00.519 --> 00:08:02.720 was Gwyneth Paltrow. Wasn't it was? 147 00:08:02.720 --> 00:08:03.160 Was it? No? 148 00:08:03.240 --> 00:08:07.240 It was Scarlett Johansson, the voice of her from the 149 00:08:07.279 --> 00:08:12.360 movie Her sued them because they were almost like they 150 00:08:12.360 --> 00:08:16.560 were posting on Twitter and all that stuff about how yeah, 151 00:08:16.600 --> 00:08:21.079 this is now her and it was basically sounding identical 152 00:08:21.560 --> 00:08:25.079 to Scarlett Johansson's voice, and she ended up suing them 153 00:08:25.120 --> 00:08:25.759 because of that. 154 00:08:27.000 --> 00:08:29.040 Do you know if she won her if that's not 155 00:08:29.199 --> 00:08:29.759 long ago she. 156 00:08:29.920 --> 00:08:31.879 Did, I think that I'm not sure if that's still ongoing. 157 00:08:31.879 --> 00:08:33.799 We were definitely talking about it. I think Joe would 158 00:08:33.799 --> 00:08:35.639 remember that one and we'll look into it. So in 159 00:08:35.679 --> 00:08:37.759 the a little bit later on the show, we'll give 160 00:08:37.799 --> 00:08:40.080 you that information to find out exactly where that goes. 161 00:08:40.159 --> 00:08:43.279 But yeah, we're a little bit low on time in 162 00:08:43.320 --> 00:08:44.759 this segment, so we got to cut it short. But 163 00:08:44.840 --> 00:08:46.759 we're going to be right back. We're going to actually 164 00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:51.120 be back next segment. Let's talk. Let's hear from Joe 165 00:08:51.279 --> 00:08:54.559 and the crew from Kneecap, because that sounds like it 166 00:08:54.799 --> 00:08:57.080 and we heard we heard that interview last week and 167 00:08:57.120 --> 00:08:58.600 it was so nice. We're going to play it twice, 168 00:08:59.080 --> 00:09:02.679 all right, All right, back, Let's let's take a commercial 169 00:09:02.759 --> 00:09:05.919 break real quick and back with more on Live from 170 00:09:05.960 --> 00:09:12.240 Hollywood after Traffic Joe Escalante live from Hollywood, not Hollywood. 171 00:09:12.320 --> 00:09:14.919 We are just over the hill from Hollywood and Burbank. 172 00:09:15.120 --> 00:09:17.720 I'm engineer Sam, got producer Nikki here with me. 173 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:19.399 We are back. 174 00:09:19.759 --> 00:09:23.519 Thank you so much for joining us on heeib AM 175 00:09:23.559 --> 00:09:27.799 eleven fifty and on your iHeartRadio app worldwide on the 176 00:09:27.840 --> 00:09:32.080 iHeartRadio app. So, Joe last week got a chance to 177 00:09:32.120 --> 00:09:36.559 interview the cast and crew from the movie Kneecap, and 178 00:09:37.279 --> 00:09:39.679 we both saw this and this is an incredible movie. 179 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:42.879 Nikki give people kind of the rundown on the movie, 180 00:09:42.960 --> 00:09:45.240 and we're going to jump right into this interview with them. 181 00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:49.480 Yeah, Kneecap was one of the better films I've seen 182 00:09:49.559 --> 00:09:53.320 maybe in my life, definitely this year, and it follows 183 00:09:53.320 --> 00:09:59.039 the story of two kind of delinquent rappers in Ireland, 184 00:09:59.399 --> 00:10:02.240 part of the c Fire generation, who learned to speak 185 00:10:02.279 --> 00:10:04.840 Irish from one of their fathers who was kind of 186 00:10:04.840 --> 00:10:09.600 a political leader and is currently in hiding, so they 187 00:10:10.639 --> 00:10:13.440 continue to speak Irish as part of like a like 188 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:18.399 traditional Bailic exactly, Yeah, part of the rebellion against the 189 00:10:18.440 --> 00:10:22.039 system that they currently live in, and they cross paths 190 00:10:22.159 --> 00:10:26.279 with a music teacher who teaches at a local high school. 191 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:29.360 They kind of come together and form this rap group 192 00:10:30.080 --> 00:10:34.360 called Kneecap in reference to some of the things that 193 00:10:34.440 --> 00:10:36.840 happened during the troubles in Ireland, and it follows their 194 00:10:36.879 --> 00:10:41.000 story as they sort of fight the power, grow as 195 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:46.039 individuals and use their music to progress their ideals about 196 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:48.799 what Ireland ought to be in kind of the modern age. 197 00:10:49.519 --> 00:10:52.639 What's the most amazing part is that the musicians play 198 00:10:52.720 --> 00:10:56.799 themselves in the film and they are incredible actors, So 199 00:10:56.879 --> 00:11:00.559 it's really fantastic to see this story take shape through 200 00:11:00.600 --> 00:11:03.080 the people who actually went through it themselves. Yeah, I 201 00:11:03.200 --> 00:11:06.480 highly recommend it. And we've got really lucky that Joe 202 00:11:06.480 --> 00:11:09.840 got to have an amazing interview with rich Pepiot, the director, 203 00:11:09.879 --> 00:11:11.639 as well as two of the musicians. 204 00:11:11.679 --> 00:11:13.000 So give it a listen. 205 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:15.960 Yeah, here's Jill with the crew from NAP. 206 00:11:16.480 --> 00:11:19.639 We sat up WhatsApp group in twenty nineteen when we 207 00:11:19.679 --> 00:11:22.679 first started we first met and started working on the film, 208 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:24.759 and that that WhatsApp group was called. 209 00:11:28.639 --> 00:11:29.799 It's a real coincidence. 210 00:11:31.600 --> 00:11:34.120 It was called knee Cap go to Hollywood, right, And 211 00:11:34.200 --> 00:11:36.840 so it's kind of crazy that here we are sitting 212 00:11:36.879 --> 00:11:38.759 in Hollywood with you. 213 00:11:40.080 --> 00:11:41.399 Are you really sitting in Hollywood? 214 00:11:41.399 --> 00:11:43.200 You're really around you, We're actually in Hollywood. 215 00:11:43.600 --> 00:11:48.200 Hand you an I'll see this and then your fridge. 216 00:11:49.159 --> 00:11:50.480 It wasn't fretting boiling it. 217 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:53.240 Well you can gone. 218 00:11:53.360 --> 00:11:55.559 So I'm I'm you know, like most people around here 219 00:11:55.600 --> 00:12:01.200 where I live, half Irish upper half of lower half 220 00:12:02.360 --> 00:12:03.440 its inside. 221 00:12:05.279 --> 00:12:10.279 The half Mexican half Irish. That's a good mixture. 222 00:12:10.600 --> 00:12:23.600 Catholic people still r c Roman Catholic, still an ultar boys. 223 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:22.039 Why you got the hair department in your hair? 224 00:12:23.159 --> 00:12:24.679 Hello, my son have. 225 00:12:24.639 --> 00:12:25.879 They been trying to get rid of you from the 226 00:12:25.879 --> 00:12:29.039 old boy for like twenty years. Now they're like, mate, 227 00:12:29.039 --> 00:12:29.840 it's time to give it up. 228 00:12:29.919 --> 00:12:31.960 Give someone else a mind, give somebody else a chance. 229 00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:36.960 With the bell so unattractive, evidently you're beautiful. 230 00:12:37.840 --> 00:12:40.759 But anyway, I love the movie. I've seen it a 231 00:12:40.799 --> 00:12:43.720 couple of times ahead of wife. There's no subtitles other 232 00:12:43.759 --> 00:12:46.559 than the Irish stuff, so it's when we hear Irish 233 00:12:46.639 --> 00:12:51.759 people speak English, it's hard to get everything, but it's 234 00:12:51.840 --> 00:12:52.559 part of the fun. 235 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:57.200 Yeah, yeah, that's interesting because, yeah, it's. 236 00:12:58.720 --> 00:13:00.919 Some people don't struggle the streets with the accent of bit. 237 00:13:01.000 --> 00:13:03.120 And we did have lots of debates, you know, how 238 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:06.519 much do you kind of subtitle things? Can you over 239 00:13:06.639 --> 00:13:09.279 subtitle things? And I kind of, you know, we kind 240 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:12.320 of came to the conclusion that for the authenticity of things, 241 00:13:12.399 --> 00:13:15.080 we just think that it's better just to have left 242 00:13:15.120 --> 00:13:18.200 it and allow people to kind of enjoy it at 243 00:13:18.240 --> 00:13:21.279 whatever level they can. But it's crack and open the 244 00:13:21.320 --> 00:13:22.679 door to a world, do you know what I mean, 245 00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:25.759 and allowing you to look in, And I think that's 246 00:13:25.759 --> 00:13:26.440 part of the fun. 247 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:28.960 You did the right thing, because of course of the 248 00:13:28.960 --> 00:13:30.919 movie I've been talking about this movie on my show 249 00:13:31.879 --> 00:13:35.399 for weeks, so I tell you to much about it. 250 00:13:35.480 --> 00:13:38.480 But you know, you're you're, you're, you're singing lyrics were 251 00:13:38.519 --> 00:13:41.519 when I'm going to band and nobody can understand my lyrics, 252 00:13:41.559 --> 00:13:43.600 you know, in English, you know, because it's. 253 00:13:43.519 --> 00:13:45.720 Punk rock and it just kind of comes at you fast, 254 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:47.159 you know. 255 00:13:47.320 --> 00:13:48.639 So I think he did the right thing, and it 256 00:13:48.679 --> 00:13:51.120 could have been worse because it could have been in Scottish. 257 00:13:51.600 --> 00:13:53.240 A lot of people don't know whither that Irish is 258 00:13:53.240 --> 00:13:55.600 a language in itself, you know. Also, people are watching 259 00:13:55.639 --> 00:13:58.559 the film, there's the Aris languages, which is our indigenous 260 00:13:58.639 --> 00:14:00.519 language of the land for the two days in the years, 261 00:14:00.799 --> 00:14:04.480 and then there's people speaking Irish English, which sounds like 262 00:14:05.080 --> 00:14:08.080 people would say that the Irish is talking exposing. 263 00:14:09.039 --> 00:14:15.559 We have a we have Spanglish that people. Yes, let 264 00:14:15.639 --> 00:14:16.279 me get into that. 265 00:14:17.159 --> 00:14:21.360 You guys are, uh, you're part of this language movement now, 266 00:14:22.039 --> 00:14:24.559 but you were I mean in the movie it deals 267 00:14:24.559 --> 00:14:27.559 with that, like, how did our biggest advocate in the movie, 268 00:14:27.559 --> 00:14:29.639 it looks like you're the biggest advocates for the preservation 269 00:14:29.679 --> 00:14:32.759 of the Irish language, but you are what you guys 270 00:14:32.799 --> 00:14:37.360 call hoods and then they have to come to the 271 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:40.720 realization that these guys are our best advocates to preserve 272 00:14:40.720 --> 00:14:41.399 our language. 273 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:45.080 Is that what's your relationship like with the language movement? 274 00:14:45.200 --> 00:14:45.399 Now? 275 00:14:45.480 --> 00:14:47.440 Are they are they proud of you? Or are they 276 00:14:47.480 --> 00:14:51.080 like a little bit that kind of stuff. 277 00:14:51.399 --> 00:14:54.279 I think there's an understanding that, Like, I'm sure there 278 00:14:54.279 --> 00:14:57.919 are some people who probably don't enjoy the way we 279 00:14:58.480 --> 00:15:00.799 intertwine youth culture with the language. 280 00:15:00.879 --> 00:15:03.519 They would prefer a whole bunch of drugs. 281 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:08.600 Yeah, exactly, Hey, don't give away. 282 00:15:08.399 --> 00:15:09.240 All the secrets here. 283 00:15:12.879 --> 00:15:15.120 Yeah, So a lot of maybe would prefer if we 284 00:15:15.240 --> 00:15:19.240 just maintained a certain you know, you already a language 285 00:15:19.240 --> 00:15:23.320 and talked about fat cottages and traditional music, et cetera, 286 00:15:23.399 --> 00:15:27.480 et cetera. But I think especially there's a growing a 287 00:15:27.519 --> 00:15:30.759 big Irish language community because we came the realization that 288 00:15:30.919 --> 00:15:34.279 for a language to live, it has to have every 289 00:15:34.440 --> 00:15:39.840 element available to be at school, radio, social clubs and 290 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:41.960 all this stuff. And part of that there is having 291 00:15:42.039 --> 00:15:45.480 music that young people will be interested to listen to. 292 00:15:45.919 --> 00:15:47.159 And they're going to listen. 293 00:15:47.000 --> 00:15:48.720 To Eminem or they're going to listen to some other 294 00:15:48.799 --> 00:15:51.480 hip hop music and English, then there's no reason why 295 00:15:51.480 --> 00:15:52.879 it shouldn't be available in Irish. 296 00:15:53.000 --> 00:15:55.360 It should be representative to the people who's coming up 297 00:15:55.399 --> 00:15:57.720 through and it gives you young people something to go, 298 00:15:57.799 --> 00:15:58.440 right that that's me. 299 00:15:58.639 --> 00:15:58.879 That's me. 300 00:15:59.039 --> 00:16:01.480 You can't be in Neede into music. 301 00:16:01.600 --> 00:16:05.039 Yeah, and you need something that will be banned from 302 00:16:05.039 --> 00:16:08.320 school and only anyway the language will survive if it 303 00:16:08.559 --> 00:16:13.480 if it exists in these places. You know that it's 304 00:16:13.480 --> 00:16:15.840 something that COMMI banned because they're that kind of mixing 305 00:16:16.879 --> 00:16:19.919 colon relevant for teenagers growing up and then they want 306 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:21.480 to be a part of it. And that's just part 307 00:16:21.600 --> 00:16:22.600 of a living language. 308 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:24.679 And well what I've talking about living language. 309 00:16:24.720 --> 00:16:26.960 I mean, what I found really fascinating from an early 310 00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:30.240 stage was that these boys were inventing words that were 311 00:16:30.799 --> 00:16:33.720 becoming falling into the lexicon of the language. And it's 312 00:16:33.759 --> 00:16:36.120 like to be, you know, one thing about a language 313 00:16:36.120 --> 00:16:39.679 being you know, so they're being relatively few speakers, you 314 00:16:39.720 --> 00:16:42.639 really can have a huge impact upon that language. 315 00:16:42.720 --> 00:16:42.879 Right. 316 00:16:42.919 --> 00:16:44.679 It's like it's very hard to have about it in 317 00:16:44.679 --> 00:16:47.000 past in the English language, right, you know, occasionally a 318 00:16:47.039 --> 00:16:49.559 word someone comes up with a word that kind of 319 00:16:49.679 --> 00:16:53.720 falls into usage. But these guys, yeah, you know, but 320 00:16:53.919 --> 00:16:55.960 these guys that you know, we're coming up with words 321 00:16:55.960 --> 00:16:58.519 on a monthly basis. They're releasing a song and these 322 00:16:58.559 --> 00:17:01.200 words were then being used. You know, when I first 323 00:17:01.240 --> 00:17:04.319 met them and I joined an Irish language class, half 324 00:17:04.359 --> 00:17:07.079 the people in that Irish language class were there because 325 00:17:07.119 --> 00:17:09.880 of Kneecap and that was in twenty nineteen. So that 326 00:17:09.920 --> 00:17:12.160 was the cultural impact that we're having then, and it's 327 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:14.759 exciting to think that, you know now and then the 328 00:17:14.759 --> 00:17:17.559 film coming out and then growing and growing and growing. 329 00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:20.559 There are literally thousands of people on the island of 330 00:17:20.559 --> 00:17:23.279 Ireland who are right now learning language. 331 00:17:22.839 --> 00:17:24.160 Because of what these boys are doing. 332 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:28.799 Yeah, I think that's incredible, and that's why it's such 333 00:17:28.799 --> 00:17:31.400 a perfect movie because it has so many layers of it. 334 00:17:31.880 --> 00:17:34.240 You can like it on these different layers. 335 00:17:34.319 --> 00:17:36.079 And then the one layer that it's a part of 336 00:17:36.079 --> 00:17:39.279 a real movement to preserve a language, which is super 337 00:17:39.279 --> 00:17:41.359 serious business but it's also entertaining. 338 00:17:41.480 --> 00:17:42.480 Is amazing music. 339 00:17:42.839 --> 00:17:46.000 And then you guys are playing yourselves in the movie, 340 00:17:46.039 --> 00:17:49.400 which is you know, since I'm from Hollywood, but my 341 00:17:49.559 --> 00:17:52.519 mind is is blowing because obviously that's wrong. 342 00:17:52.880 --> 00:17:55.880 You can't do that. 343 00:17:56.559 --> 00:17:58.720 Thank you Joe, Thank you guys from Kneecap. It was 344 00:17:58.839 --> 00:18:00.799 that and so far, that's like the first half of 345 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:02.839 the interview. We're going to have the second half of 346 00:18:02.839 --> 00:18:04.880 the interview coming up on the other end of this break. 347 00:18:05.119 --> 00:18:06.799 Thank you so much for joining us right here on 348 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:10.119 Joe Escalate Live from Hollywood. We're going to go and 349 00:18:10.240 --> 00:18:12.480 check the news and traffic and we are going to 350 00:18:12.599 --> 00:18:13.920 be right back. 351 00:18:15.200 --> 00:18:15.960 There's my music. 352 00:18:16.039 --> 00:18:16.400 Here we go. 353 00:18:16.519 --> 00:18:17.519 Yeah, we'll be right back. 354 00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:22.920 Joe Escalate Live from Hollywood. If not Hollywood, it's Superbank 355 00:18:23.000 --> 00:18:26.119 and you know, Hollywood kind of extends just. 356 00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:27.720 Beyond that little area. 357 00:18:27.920 --> 00:18:30.960 I guess there's so many pieces of southern California that 358 00:18:31.039 --> 00:18:35.839 fall into the Hollywood umbrella. But anyways, I digress. I'm 359 00:18:35.880 --> 00:18:39.119 an engineer, Sam. This is Joe Escalate Live from Hollywood. 360 00:18:39.119 --> 00:18:41.160 Thank you so much for joining us on AM eleven 361 00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:45.039 fifty and on your iHeartRadio app. Producer Nicki is here 362 00:18:45.079 --> 00:18:48.200 with me. We got Joe with the crew from Kneecap. 363 00:18:48.279 --> 00:18:50.480 Let's get back to that interview. Joe take it away. 364 00:18:50.880 --> 00:18:54.279 So you guys approved everybody else wrong that you you're 365 00:18:54.279 --> 00:18:57.839 starting a language revolution and you're playing yourself in a movie. 366 00:18:58.079 --> 00:19:00.960 When I first heard that, I go, well, this is 367 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:03.079 gonna you know, be interesting, but it's going to have 368 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:05.720 bad acting. I was in a movie called when I 369 00:19:05.759 --> 00:19:08.480 was younger called Suburbia, which is a movie about punk rock, 370 00:19:08.559 --> 00:19:11.799 and they cast all real punk rockers from the Hollywood 371 00:19:11.799 --> 00:19:17.680 scene to play all the parts. Every actor was bad. 372 00:19:19.559 --> 00:19:21.599 It was awful, and the movie is like, it's a 373 00:19:21.640 --> 00:19:24.279 great movie. It's but the acting is terrible. That you 374 00:19:24.319 --> 00:19:29.200 guys are great. You could be in any movie as actors. 375 00:19:29.640 --> 00:19:32.680 And I think that's really what people are going to be. 376 00:19:34.119 --> 00:19:35.559 Just one of the levels people are going to be 377 00:19:35.559 --> 00:19:37.440 surprised on who came up with that idea? 378 00:19:37.519 --> 00:19:38.839 Was that rich? The directory it was? 379 00:19:38.920 --> 00:19:41.079 It was never really it was never really something that 380 00:19:41.160 --> 00:19:44.440 was discussed. It was, you know, it's such a. 381 00:19:44.160 --> 00:19:46.599 To make a film about a band that's never really 382 00:19:46.759 --> 00:19:49.000 never released an album, that didn't have a record label, 383 00:19:49.400 --> 00:19:52.359 that were wrapping the language that so few people spoke. 384 00:19:52.839 --> 00:19:55.160 It doesn't make sense to make a movie about that 385 00:19:55.240 --> 00:19:56.359 on paper, right. 386 00:19:56.200 --> 00:19:59.039 And it's so light, So it's like that, so we're 387 00:19:59.039 --> 00:19:59.880 not putting my money in it. 388 00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:03.119 No, exactly exactly and no one's going to watch that, 389 00:20:03.279 --> 00:20:07.240 right and so but weirdly it was so niche that 390 00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:09.200 suddenly it was like that's the very reason we need 391 00:20:09.200 --> 00:20:09.640 to make. 392 00:20:09.480 --> 00:20:11.000 It because it sounds so mad. 393 00:20:11.319 --> 00:20:13.559 It's like either going to be terrible or brilliant, right, 394 00:20:13.799 --> 00:20:16.599 But obviously it's if no one even knows who the 395 00:20:16.599 --> 00:20:19.039 band are, then it's weird to get people to play 396 00:20:19.039 --> 00:20:20.279 them because you know what I mean, It's like we 397 00:20:20.279 --> 00:20:22.160 didn't know they were in the first place, so who 398 00:20:22.160 --> 00:20:24.359 were they? It just got confusing. So it was never 399 00:20:24.400 --> 00:20:26.960 really discussed the idea of anyone else playing it other 400 00:20:27.039 --> 00:20:29.039 than was it Denzel Washington was going to play. You 401 00:20:29.920 --> 00:20:32.559