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Speaker 2: This is a.
Speaker 3: Fight worth fighting because the American way is, we don't
Speaker 3: sexualize children.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: We believe in core basic values, whether somebody's of faith
Speaker 3: or no faith at all, and a core value of
Speaker 3: every decent civilized human is we do not sexualize children.
Speaker 3: So why is the LAFT so determined to sexualize children?
Speaker 3: It's crazy and it's wrong, and Elizabeth is standing up
Speaker 3: to it. Not the woman Elizabeth, the school district Elizabeth.
Speaker 3: And so we have with us today a couple of
Speaker 3: special guests from Elizabeth. Jeff Maher is with us as
Speaker 3: well as Dan Snowberger, and they're going to read a
Speaker 3: particular kind of warning before they read from these books
Speaker 3: that the ACLU has gone to core to try to
Speaker 3: force the Elizabeth School to strict.
Speaker 2: To keep on the shelves.
Speaker 3: So, Jeff, why don't we start with you and give
Speaker 3: people a quick introduction to the issue. I want to
Speaker 3: promise everybody listening that you are going to hear from
Speaker 3: the books themselves in this segment. So Jeff take it away,
Speaker 3: my friend, Well.
Speaker 4: Thank you for having us and giving us this opportunity again.
Speaker 4: I'm here with Superintendent Dan Snowberger. I do have many
Speaker 4: of those excerpts that we are going to read from
Speaker 4: some of the books in question, But I think the
Speaker 4: first thing that we'll do, and I'll let Dan take
Speaker 4: it away, is to give us the latest on the case,
Speaker 4: because there have been a lot of developments, especially over
Speaker 4: the past week.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Thanks Dan, We really do appreciate the opportunity of being
Speaker 5: here today. You know, we are really focused in Elizabeth
Speaker 5: School District on parents' rights, and one of the things
Speaker 5: many school districts, unfortunately have done is has assumed more
Speaker 5: and more of the role of the parent. We began
Speaker 5: reviewing not only our curriculum but the materials in our
Speaker 5: school libraries last spring, and it became very obvious to
Speaker 5: us that over the years we've collected some materials in
Speaker 5: our libraries that just were inappropriate. We began recognizing that
Speaker 5: there were parents who wanted a little more control over
Speaker 5: what parents what they prefer their children check out. So
Speaker 5: we started reviewing our entire collection. We have over fifty
Speaker 5: thousand books in our libraries. We started identifying books that
Speaker 5: had sensitive topics, books that might have graphic violence, books
Speaker 5: that might have religious connotations, books that might have sexual content,
Speaker 5: successive racism, things like that that some parents might be
Speaker 5: fine with their children reading, others may not, And so
Speaker 5: we labeled books with sensitive content. A lot of parents
Speaker 5: who wanted their children not to access those books to
Speaker 5: opt them out. But in the process of doing so,
Speaker 5: we identified nineteen books and that's what we're here to
Speaker 5: talk about today, nineteen books that had excessive age and
Speaker 5: appropriate material that in the process, we displayed for twenty
Speaker 5: five days in our community for our parents and our
Speaker 5: community members to come in and take a look at
Speaker 5: and give the board some guidance as to what they
Speaker 5: thought these books, what we should do with these books,
Speaker 5: and overwhelmingly, our community said, these books are inappropriate and
Speaker 5: don't belong in the library. And so we made the
Speaker 5: decision based on the inappropriate content of these books to
Speaker 5: remove them, only to find four months later that we
Speaker 5: were being sued by the ACLU to force us to
Speaker 5: put these books back. A week and a half ago,
Speaker 5: we were given an order a preliminary in junction by
Speaker 5: a Denver judge to replace these books in our library. Luckily,
Speaker 5: after appealing and asking for a stay of that motion
Speaker 5: and then appealing to the Tenth Circuit, the local judge
Speaker 5: did stay her motion and asked for the plaintiffs to
Speaker 5: respond to our motion for stay and appeal. So we
Speaker 5: are currently in that phase where our motion has been
Speaker 5: stayed and we await her ruling this week. Either she
Speaker 5: will offer a hearing or she will again re order.
Speaker 2: Us to put these books back to the library.
Speaker 3: So Superintendent, thank you for finding the good fight. And
Speaker 3: we'll talk later about what the motives of aco you are.
Speaker 3: But we know what yours are, which is just to
Speaker 3: protect the innocence of children. So I know that there's
Speaker 3: a certain warning that, yes, you want to give before
Speaker 3: reading from these books, So please do give the warning.
Speaker 2: And I know folks absolutely want to hear what this
Speaker 2: is all about.
Speaker 5: Absolutely certainly we recognize there are Sadly, there are parts
Speaker 5: of these books we can't read because you would get
Speaker 5: in trouble, Dan, and the radio station would get in trouble.
Speaker 5: And to be very honest, we can't even transmit some
Speaker 5: of these through our Child Internet Protection Act filter in
Speaker 5: our district. So I would just encourage parents who are listening.
Speaker 5: And you never want to tell people don't listen to
Speaker 5: your show, but I would just encourage parents who are listening.
Speaker 2: If you have young young ears in.
Speaker 5: The room, please ask them to leave the room, because
Speaker 5: obviously we're going to read some quotes from these books
Speaker 5: that a Denver judge ordered a week and a half
Speaker 5: ago to have us put back in our libraries that
Speaker 5: currently we are on a stay from. Please have your
Speaker 5: children leave the room, just because we certainly believe the
Speaker 5: content that we are about to read is inappropriate for them.
Speaker 4: So with that in mind, and I do apologize beforehand
Speaker 4: because I personally don't want to read the excerpts from
Speaker 4: these books, but we have to because we have not
Speaker 4: been given a fair shot in Denver media at all,
Speaker 4: and so we just have to do this to let
Speaker 4: people know what's really going on. So this is from
Speaker 4: Crank by Ellen Hopkins. I froze as he pushed inside.
Speaker 4: There it is, Oh god, there it goes. It went
Speaker 4: alright with an audible tear, pain mushroomed into agony, and
Speaker 4: all I could do was go stiff. This one is
Speaker 4: by Ellen Hopkins. It's called Identical, and it goes on
Speaker 4: to say, confused at his tears and at the sticky
Speaker 4: stuff icing her hands still, Kaylee pleaded, don't cry, daddy,
Speaker 4: what's the matter?
Speaker 6: Didn't I love you good enough?
Speaker 2: So you got to stop there for a second.
Speaker 3: It's yeah, it's just beyond imagination that acou or any
Speaker 3: decent human would want any child to be exposed to that.
Speaker 2: So I and thank you for the warning you gave.
Speaker 3: I think we'll have to stop, probably after every segment
Speaker 3: and give a warning again because people join this show
Speaker 3: all the time.
Speaker 2: That is just so horrific and first.
Speaker 3: In my view, no, no minor should be hearing any
Speaker 3: of that. But what ages does the ACO you want
Speaker 3: to try to force you to make this available.
Speaker 5: To There are books in these nineteen There's one book
Speaker 5: that was at the elementary level, there's two books that
Speaker 5: were at the middle school level, and there were fifteen
Speaker 5: books that were at the high school level. So again
Speaker 5: you know, many of these books are adult content, and
Speaker 5: again they to recognize at the high school you have
Speaker 5: fourteen year olds who can pick one of these books
Speaker 5: up off the shelf.
Speaker 3: I mean, see what you just read, and that's Jeff
Speaker 3: Maher from and forgive me, Jeff?
Speaker 2: Is it ma isn't Bill Maher? Yes?
Speaker 6: No relation?
Speaker 4: And a public information officer for Elizabeth School District.
Speaker 2: Yeah that think Jeff.
Speaker 3: So what you just read is the sort of thing
Speaker 3: that can traumatize a child for life, right, can traumatize
Speaker 3: a high school kid for life that they might never
Speaker 3: get out of their mind. I mean it, Yeah, that
Speaker 3: is that is just terrific. So again, if you just
Speaker 3: joined us, Jeff Maer, public information officer for Elizabeth School District,
Speaker 3: and Dan Snowberger, the superintendent, are with us.
Speaker 2: They're reading from the books.
Speaker 3: ACLU is trying to force them to keep on the shelves.
Speaker 2: So yeah, next excerpt.
Speaker 4: Okay, So the next one is a book that was
Speaker 4: available to students as early as age five in our
Speaker 4: elementary schools, and it is from George alternately named Melissa.
Speaker 4: Features a character who is in fourth grade and is
Speaker 4: going through a gender transition. She immersed her body in
Speaker 4: the warm water and tried not to think about what
Speaker 4: was between her legs, but there it was, bobbing in
Speaker 4: front of her. And another page from that book, it
Speaker 4: goes on.
Speaker 2: To say, way just an elementary school.
Speaker 4: Yes, this one says, so George knew it could be done.
Speaker 6: A boy could become a girl.
Speaker 4: She had since read on the internet that you could
Speaker 4: take hormones and would change your body, and you could
Speaker 4: get a bunch of different surgeries if you wanted them
Speaker 4: and had the money. This was called transitioning. You could
Speaker 4: even start before you were eighteen with pills called androgen
Speaker 4: blockers that stopped the boy hormones already inside you from
Speaker 4: turning your body into a man's. But for that you
Speaker 4: needed your parents' permission.
Speaker 2: And again they want this in elementary school. Yeah.
Speaker 5: And the funny thing about that book is it was
Speaker 5: in our other elementary school two years ago a library
Speaker 5: and had a parent complain that the librarian was shocked
Speaker 5: to find that that book was in her collection and
Speaker 5: she removed it herself. So that was removed from one
Speaker 5: of our libraries two years ago by a wise librarian
Speaker 5: who just said, oh my gosh, how did this book
Speaker 5: even get my collection. We found this in the review
Speaker 5: of the library materials by our curriculum Review committee. And
Speaker 5: now we're being sued by the ACLU for this removal again.
Speaker 5: You know, wow, this process we tried to do publicly
Speaker 5: because we believe the school district belongs to the taxpayer.
Speaker 3: And Dan, I'm so sorry to interrupt, and I so
Speaker 3: appreciate the fight you're fighting. We've got to hit this
Speaker 3: hard break when we come back. You're listening to Dan Snowberger,
Speaker 3: he's superintendent Elizabeth School District. They'll read from some other
Speaker 3: excerpts of books. The ACLU has gone to court to
Speaker 3: try to fight them to keep on the show. So
Speaker 3: why is the left so interested, so determined to sexualize children.
Speaker 2: You're on the Dan Kaplas Show.
Speaker 7: And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2: Special guest in studio today. Grateful to have Jeff.
Speaker 3: I want to say mahr because I have these cousins,
Speaker 3: the Mahers. They're wonderful bit of pronounce it's pronounced like
Speaker 3: Bill Maher. So Jeff Maher is the PIO for Elizabeth
Speaker 3: School District, Dan Snowberger the superintendent, and they're fighting the
Speaker 3: good fight to try to keep off their shelves eighteen
Speaker 3: obscene books. ACLU has gone to court to force those
Speaker 3: to be on the shelves. And before we get to
Speaker 3: why ACLU is trying to do that, we want to
Speaker 3: get you content from some of these books, so you'll
Speaker 3: know what's being talked about. We did discuss some of
Speaker 3: the content in the last segment, and we'll continue to
Speaker 3: give warnings before we do that.
Speaker 2: So, Jeff, are you going to read the next excerpt?
Speaker 4: So I think for the next one, Dan has a
Speaker 4: list of these as well, so he's going to talk
Speaker 4: about one book in particular and the implications of that.
Speaker 4: But again, before we do this, we do want to
Speaker 4: give that disclaimer to anyone who is listening that if
Speaker 4: you do have kids nearby, if you do have children nearby,
Speaker 4: that the material that we're reading in this hour it's
Speaker 4: not suitable for children. So we just asked that you
Speaker 4: move them away from from the speaker. So Dan, if
Speaker 4: you want to go ahead and read from the next one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the next The next one is is another book.
Speaker 5: It's called perks Abino Wallflower. This one the segment is
Speaker 5: this one couple whom I was told later was very
Speaker 5: popular and in love, stumbled into my room and I
Speaker 5: asked if I minded them using it. I told them
Speaker 5: that my brother and sister said I had to stay here,
Speaker 5: and they asked if I could use the room anyway.
Speaker 5: And me still in it. I said, I didn't see
Speaker 5: why not. So they closed the door and started kissing,
Speaker 5: kissing very hard. After a few minutes, the boy's hand
Speaker 5: went up the girl's shirt and she started protesting.
Speaker 2: Come on, Dave, what the kids in here? It's okay?
Speaker 5: And the boy kept working up the girl's shirt, and
Speaker 5: as much as she said no, he kept working it.
Speaker 5: After a few minutes, she stopped protesting and he pulled
Speaker 5: his shirt off and she had a white bron with lace.
Speaker 5: I honestly didn't know what to do by this point.
Speaker 5: Pretty soon he took off her bron started to kiss
Speaker 5: and I'll stop there because it gets to the point
Speaker 5: that I think I get you in trouble.
Speaker 3: So and it goes into a description. He goes and
Speaker 3: happened next? Wasn't a much more description? And so now
Speaker 3: in this and it's bad on every level. How old
Speaker 3: is the child whose perspective this is written from, who's
Speaker 3: now watching all of this?
Speaker 5: This is an elementary student that's that's observing this, And again,
Speaker 5: this book is this book was in the in the
Speaker 5: library at the high school with fourteen year olds that
Speaker 5: could check this out.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 3: Oh and before we get into more excerpts. I know
Speaker 3: the school district, Elizabeth School District, is fighting this battle valiantly.
Speaker 3: It's going to be a very expensive battle. How can
Speaker 3: people help with that?
Speaker 5: You know, we are are fortunate to have partnered with
Speaker 5: a number of organizations. We have a link up on
Speaker 5: our website Elizabethschooldistrict dot org. Parents United has been a
Speaker 5: great partner. There's a link at the top of our
Speaker 5: web page. We are definitely reaching out to folks who
Speaker 5: are willing to help us. You know, we're a small
Speaker 5: school district and really commit it to and using our
Speaker 5: funds to educate our kids and of course just put
Speaker 5: some of that at risks. So anyone willing to help us,
Speaker 5: we really encourage them to go to our website. All
Speaker 5: of our legal filings are also on our website. We
Speaker 5: have a page dedicated to that, so folks who are
Speaker 5: interested in following, we encourage them to also bookmark that
Speaker 5: website and follow along. We'll keep you up to date
Speaker 5: as we get additional rulings from the court.
Speaker 3: And I'm sure the ACLU knows how expensive this is
Speaker 3: for your school district, and so I hope everybody steps
Speaker 3: up and help I think Ryan is a question as well.
Speaker 8: I do for the two of you that I think
Speaker 8: a lot of our listeners will have that the decency standards,
Speaker 8: which are talked about a lot, not.
Speaker 6: Only in our business but in general, are much different.
Speaker 8: It's going to be a much different community in Elizabeth
Speaker 8: than it would in the Denver Public School District. And
Speaker 8: my question on behalf of the listeners will be, why
Speaker 8: can't you guys just tell the ACLU to go kick
Speaker 8: rocks on this?
Speaker 5: We would like to, And I think that's kind of
Speaker 5: our point is we went to our community. The school
Speaker 5: board didn't just impose their will that the school board
Speaker 5: provided these books for twenty five days, allowed the community
Speaker 5: to come in weigh in on this, and the community
Speaker 5: overwhelmingly said these books don't belong in our library. And
Speaker 5: I think that was a key part of this. We
Speaker 5: didn't just remove these books. We didn't just say, you know,
Speaker 5: these five board members don't like these. We asked the community,
Speaker 5: and the community responded, and the board took the will
Speaker 5: of the community and acted. And I guess that's the
Speaker 5: frustration is this board did the right thing by its
Speaker 5: community who elected them, and yet we're being sued for doing.
Speaker 3: That, and Dan Dan Snowberger, the superintendent, Elizabeth. None of
Speaker 3: these books are about political point of view, political viewpoint.
Speaker 2: Any of that.
Speaker 3: This is just about sexual obscenity exactly.
Speaker 5: Unfortunately, they've painted it as if we've removed LGBTQ viewpoint
Speaker 5: in black experience viewpoint, that we've removed them because of
Speaker 5: African American authors. And it's the farthest thing from the truth.
Speaker 5: And I will say, as we've shared these quotes out
Speaker 5: in our community, our parents are our galvanized behind the
Speaker 5: school board and behind the school district.
Speaker 3: I think they're going to have a very hard time
Speaker 3: correct me if I'm wrong, showing that you want to
Speaker 3: leave up on the sholves books that have similar blatant
Speaker 3: sexuality but pertain to heterosexual sex correct or are written
Speaker 3: by white authors, right, I'd be very surprised if they're
Speaker 3: able to put into evidence any such books correct exactly.
Speaker 5: And one of the most interesting topics here is the
Speaker 5: federal government requires school districts to have an Internet filter
Speaker 5: under the Child Internet Protection Act. When that the lawsuit
Speaker 5: was filed and there were quotes, or actually when we
Speaker 5: responded and we provided quotes, our response could not be
Speaker 5: transmitted through our Internet filter.
Speaker 3: Because of that tell everything that should be exhibit A, right,
Speaker 3: I'm sure it is.
Speaker 7: Hey.
Speaker 2: When we come back, we.
Speaker 3: Have Jeff Maher, who is the PIO for Elizabeth School
Speaker 3: District at Dan Snowberger the superintendent. They'll continue to read
Speaker 3: excerpts from these books containing these obscenities. You're hearing that
Speaker 3: the ACLU has gone to court to try to force
Speaker 3: them to keep on the shelves here on the Dan
Speaker 3: Kapla Show.
Speaker 7: You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2: A very special hour of the Dan Kaplis Show. Glad
Speaker 2: you're here and you will be too.
Speaker 3: We have a school district fighting valiantly to protect their
Speaker 3: children and to protect their children from the ACLU going
Speaker 3: to court now to try to force the school district
Speaker 3: to keep on the shelves eighteen books concerning a very
Speaker 3: sexualized material. And we'll get to the separate issue of
Speaker 3: why does the left as a whole seem so determined
Speaker 3: to sexualized children.
Speaker 2: We'll get to that separately.
Speaker 3: Today, we want to have you hear excerpts from these
Speaker 3: books so you can decide for yourself and you'll know
Speaker 3: what this is about. Also, respectfully, requesting you consider helping
Speaker 3: the Elizabeth School District financially so they can stand.
Speaker 2: Up and fight this.
Speaker 6: So.
Speaker 2: Oh, we have Jeff Maher with us.
Speaker 3: He's the public information officer for Elizabeth, Dan Snolberger the superintendent.
Speaker 2: Gentleman, whoever wants.
Speaker 3: To start, if you could just give the warning and
Speaker 3: then get to the next excerpt.
Speaker 6: Sure, I'll go ahead and start.
Speaker 4: So before I begin with this excerpt, I just want
Speaker 4: to give a disclaimer to any parents out there, anyone
Speaker 4: who has kids or children nearby listening to this. We
Speaker 4: don't want to have to read this, but it's important
Speaker 4: so that we get our story out there and so
Speaker 4: that people understand what we're facing. So we respectfully ask
Speaker 4: that you remove any children from the speaker or what
Speaker 4: you're listening to at the moment, just for their safe keeping.
Speaker 4: This one is called Looking for Alaska. We ran with
Speaker 4: it to the TV room, close the blinds, locked the door,
Speaker 4: and watched the movie. It opened with a woman standing
Speaker 4: on the bridge with her legs spread while a guy
Speaker 4: knelt in front of her giving her oral sex. No
Speaker 4: time for dialogue, I suppose by the time they started
Speaker 4: doing it, Alaska commenced with her righteous indignation. They just
Speaker 4: don't make sex look fun for women. The girl is
Speaker 4: just an object. Look look at that. I was already
Speaker 4: looking needless to say, a woman crouched on her hands
Speaker 4: and knees while a guy knelt behind her. And I'm sorry,
Speaker 4: I can't. I can't continue with the rest of this.
Speaker 4: I think it does get too graphic. I realize we're
Speaker 4: on the radio and we did give a disclaimer, but
Speaker 4: it just it gets really bad. And you know, there
Speaker 4: are other parts of this that we absolutely cannot read.
Speaker 4: It has foul language and more.
Speaker 3: And I think it goes on to describe the act.
Speaker 4: I assume it does, yes, And it's not just sexual content,
Speaker 4: as Dan will point out.
Speaker 5: Now, yeah, Dan, And we've got two books here that
Speaker 5: we're also in our middle school library. One book in particular,
Speaker 5: I would say the left to saying, oh, this is
Speaker 5: the black experience that we're failing to We're failing to
Speaker 5: allow children to gain the black experience. It's called the
Speaker 5: hate You Give. And this is a quote from it.
Speaker 5: Fooling around isn't new for us. And when Chris slipped
Speaker 5: his hand into my shorts, I didn't think anything of it.
Speaker 5: When he got me going. I really wasn't thinking at all,
Speaker 5: for real, my thought process went out the door, and
Speaker 5: right as I was at the moment he stopped, reached
Speaker 5: into his pocket and pulled out a condom. He raised
Speaker 5: his eyebrows at me, silently asking for an invitation to
Speaker 5: go all the way. All I could think about was
Speaker 5: those griddle school. This is twelve year olds and up
Speaker 5: could access this book, but we're denying them reading the
Speaker 5: black experience by excluding this. The other one is really
Speaker 5: troubling because Masa Valley School District removed this in twenty
Speaker 5: seventeen after seven children committed suicide. Oh it's called thirteen
Speaker 5: Reasons Why. And I think all of us.
Speaker 2: Wanted that book on the shelves.
Speaker 5: Yep, they want that not only at the high school,
Speaker 5: but at the middle.
Speaker 2: Spirit is going to court to keep this book on
Speaker 2: the show exactly.
Speaker 5: But sometimes I took things further and wondered how I
Speaker 5: would do it. I would tuck myself into bed and
Speaker 5: wonder if there was anything in the house I could
Speaker 5: use a gun? No, we never owned one, and I
Speaker 5: wouldn't know where to get it. What about hanging well,
Speaker 5: what would I use? Where would I do it? And
Speaker 5: even if I knew what and where, I could never
Speaker 5: get beyond the visual of someone finding me swinging inches
Speaker 5: from the floor. I couldn't do that to mom and dad.
Speaker 5: So how did I find how? So how did they
Speaker 5: find you? I've heard so many rumors. It came down
Speaker 5: the two lines of thinking. If I wanted people to
Speaker 5: think it was an accident, I drive my car off
Speaker 5: the road someplace where there's no chance of survival. And
Speaker 5: there's so many places to do that on the outskirts
Speaker 5: of town. Probably I've probably driven by each of them
Speaker 5: a dozen times in the past couple of weeks. You
Speaker 5: took pills that we all know. Some say you passed
Speaker 5: out and drowned in a bathtub full of water, And
Speaker 5: so again, you know thirteen reasons, why let's provide thills
Speaker 5: in lots of ways to think.
Speaker 3: About This is beyond insane, absolutely beyond insane.
Speaker 2: What is their pretext? What is their claimed reason for
Speaker 2: wanting this one on the shelf?
Speaker 5: There claimed reason about all of these books as were
Speaker 5: denying them understanding the LGBTQ and the African American experience.
Speaker 5: That's the argument in their complaint to the court. And
Speaker 5: yet you read these quotes and I've yet to find it.
Speaker 5: Every one of these books has obscene content, and that's
Speaker 5: the reason the board and the community so that they
Speaker 5: don't belong in our library. But unfortunately, the mainstream media
Speaker 5: here in Denver has picked up their complaint and that's
Speaker 5: what that's what's been on the airwaves, and that's why
Speaker 5: we appreciate being able to be here and share the
Speaker 5: actual content so that our community understands and why we've.
Speaker 2: Taken this action.
Speaker 4: I will say Dan, that the landscape here in the
Speaker 4: media has changed quite a bit over the last few years.
Speaker 4: I'm a native of Colorado. I spent twenty years as
Speaker 4: an anchor and reporter traveling the country and I at
Speaker 4: the time, I was trained by some really good journalists
Speaker 4: here in Denver, ones that taught me to be unbiased,
Speaker 4: to be neutral, to only present both sides of a story,
Speaker 4: or else the story wouldn't run. And then I moved
Speaker 4: back to my home state and realize what a toxic
Speaker 4: culture I had escaped from. And that's why I left
Speaker 4: that industry is because what it has become, and so
Speaker 4: it's very easy to air a biased story, to put
Speaker 4: together a biased article on this subject when you are
Speaker 4: just listing the titles, and you're hailing the authors and
Speaker 4: the groups that might be celebrating this and making Elbert
Speaker 4: County and Elizabeth School District out to be the bad guy.
Speaker 4: It's very easy to write that article and not include
Speaker 4: the excerpts and not show exactly to the public.
Speaker 6: What we're talking about.
Speaker 4: And that's why it's so important, because we've noticed that
Speaker 4: the narrative changes, the reactions change when we actually read
Speaker 4: these excerpts, and then people say, oh, wow, I didn't
Speaker 4: know that that was happening.
Speaker 3: Well and cheerpoint chef mar speaking, public information officer for Elizabeth.
Speaker 3: You know, it's so easy to suck up to powerful interest, right,
Speaker 3: So people in the media, Hey, they got a big
Speaker 3: upside sucking up to the ACO. You you know, what's
Speaker 3: their upside? You know, to give it a fair shake
Speaker 3: to Elizabeth. And again, that's so opposite what journalism used
Speaker 3: to be around here. And there are still some really
Speaker 3: admirable journalists I think around here, but they're fewer and
Speaker 3: further between.
Speaker 2: But before we all.
Speaker 3: Used to take pride in standing up to the powerful
Speaker 3: and now just wow. So what I'd like to do, guys,
Speaker 3: is can you before this hard break, give the information
Speaker 3: on how people can financially support the effort of Elizabeth
Speaker 3: School District to protect the kids, to fight the ACOU
Speaker 3: and win this case for the kids in Elizabeth and
Speaker 3: kids everywhere else.
Speaker 5: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Our website is Elizabethschool District dot org. I'm right at
Speaker 5: the very top of the page as a banner that
Speaker 5: will take you to Parents United. They've been a strong
Speaker 5: partner in this effort to help us fund this lawsuit.
Speaker 5: I'm proud to say at this point we are continuing
Speaker 5: to be able to fund our legal defense and and
Speaker 5: just need that continued support. This is going to be
Speaker 5: an expensive case. We know it will not be settled
Speaker 5: in the circuit court here in Denver. That well, we'll
Speaker 5: need to go further because what people don't know is
Speaker 5: this is not settled law. There are probably five different
Speaker 5: library cases right now in states across the United States,
Speaker 5: and there's not settled precedent and in this type of
Speaker 5: an issue. So we just we really appreciate your listeners
Speaker 5: and ask that you know anything can help, and we
Speaker 5: hope you'll consider not only going to the website to help,
Speaker 5: but again monitor this case. This will be an ongoing
Speaker 5: a case We expect a new ruling this week from
Speaker 5: our from the local Denver judge on the next steps
Speaker 5: and whether this preliminary junction will be reissued or whether
Speaker 5: she will actually grant here to allow us to actually
Speaker 5: come to court and present our side of this.
Speaker 3: And when we come back, guys, tell me, I'm going
Speaker 3: to ask you to read again after multiple warnings from
Speaker 3: the book the aco You is trying to keep on
Speaker 3: the shelves that describes incest and it's one of the
Speaker 3: most disturbing things I've.
Speaker 2: Ever heard on air. But before we hit this break,
Speaker 2: why does the aco you say that book needs.
Speaker 3: To be available to the miners in the Elizabeth school district,
Speaker 3: the one describing incest?
Speaker 5: Again, I can't. I can't answer for them right now.
Speaker 5: They have grouped it into the whole group. See I
Speaker 5: they've grouped it into the whole group, and they they
Speaker 5: have sold the judge that it is an LGBTQ buck
Speaker 5: and that.
Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about that on the other side.
Speaker 3: When we come back with warning, we will we will
Speaker 3: have that excerpt b read to you. And keep in
Speaker 3: mind the ACOU has gone to court to try to
Speaker 3: make sure that the the miners and Elizabeth have that
Speaker 3: book on the shelves here on the Dankplas.
Speaker 7: Show and now back to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 3: So why is the left, I'm talking nationally so intent
Speaker 3: on sexualizing children? And here we have the Elizabeth School
Speaker 3: District right here in Colorado standing up trying to protect
Speaker 3: the kids. And we have the PIO, Jeff Maher with
Speaker 3: us as well as the superintendent, Dan Snowberger.
Speaker 2: They've been here the whole hour.
Speaker 3: And what we're going to do now is we're going
Speaker 3: to have them continue to quote from the eighteen books
Speaker 3: they want to remove from the shelves. The ACLU going
Speaker 3: to court to try to force them to.
Speaker 2: Keep these books on the shelves.
Speaker 3: Now, gentlemen, I know you have a lot more excerpts,
Speaker 3: but earlier you read one that was one of the
Speaker 3: most disturbing things I've ever heard on or off air,
Speaker 3: and as I understand it, the ACLU asking a judge
Speaker 3: to force you to keep this book on the shelves.
Speaker 3: So my warning to folks is this is really really disturbing.
Speaker 3: No way you want kids to hear this. And gentlemen,
Speaker 3: with whatever warning you have, that excerpt regarding incest that
Speaker 3: they want a court to force you to keep available
Speaker 3: to students.
Speaker 4: So just to clarify, Dan, you're asking for me to
Speaker 4: repeat what we said at the top of the hour
Speaker 4: because I also have a longer version of it too.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, yes, but let's warn the heck out of
Speaker 2: people on this. It's so deeply disturbing.
Speaker 4: Okay, So just a full disclaimer to all of those
Speaker 4: who are listening that this is not appropriate for children,
Speaker 4: and we ask that you remove children from the room
Speaker 4: and not have kids around as we are reading these
Speaker 4: excerpts from these books that.
Speaker 6: We are talking about.
Speaker 4: And so the one that Dan was referencing is identical
Speaker 4: by Ellen Hopkins, and the short version that we read.
Speaker 6: At the top of the hour goes like this.
Speaker 4: He used at his tears and at the sticky stuff
Speaker 4: icing her hands. Still, Kaylee pleaded, don't cry, daddy. What's
Speaker 4: the matter? Didn't I love you good enough? Unimaginable And
Speaker 4: there's a much longer excerpt that I have in my
Speaker 4: hands too.
Speaker 3: Well, please again, with everybody warned, go ahead, just so
Speaker 3: people can understand how wrong this is.
Speaker 4: And we don't want to have to read this either.
Speaker 4: It's just it's important that we are doing it so
Speaker 4: that everyone has a clear understanding. But yes, please remove
Speaker 4: any children from the room. This goes on to say
Speaker 4: it was dark in our room, velvety black. Someone had
Speaker 4: closed the curtain. Kaylee was scared. I tried to tell
Speaker 4: her not to worry, but just then Daddy burst through
Speaker 4: the door. I closed my eyes tight, made myself no
Speaker 4: more than a shadow. Something about him was different. I
Speaker 4: didn't want that something to find me. I cracked my eyes,
Speaker 4: just a slit. As he sat on Kaylee's bed, pulled
Speaker 4: her into his lap.
Speaker 6: He smelled of brute and wild.
Speaker 4: Turkey, his peculiar pot prix. I love you so much,
Speaker 4: my little flower. Daddy needs something from my girl, my
Speaker 4: sweet rose.
Speaker 6: Will you give it to me?
Speaker 4: I wanted to be his little flower, would have given
Speaker 4: my daddy anything. What did he want from Kayley? She
Speaker 4: laid her head on his chest. What I want you
Speaker 4: to see something, something that proves how much I love you.
Speaker 6: This is only for you.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm going to be a jerk here. I've
Speaker 2: got a stap.
Speaker 3: Because I don't want to hear this, and I don't either.
Speaker 3: I don't want to hear it. I don't want it.
Speaker 3: My head You've done such a great point of making
Speaker 3: the point and of hopefully alerting all of us to
Speaker 3: how we all need to get involved and help in
Speaker 3: this fight.
Speaker 2: So how can we help you win?
Speaker 5: Yep, Dan, again, our website is Elizabeth School District dot
Speaker 5: org and again encourage people to to visit that site.
Speaker 5: Top banner is a link to Parents United, who's been
Speaker 5: a great partner in helping us raise funds for this
Speaker 5: legal battle. You had asked me before before the last
Speaker 5: segment break, you know, first Amendment is their other argument
Speaker 5: that the not only the right of children to read this,
Speaker 5: but the right of the authors to express these points
Speaker 5: of view. And that just sickens me because again you
Speaker 5: know it just uh, we're gonna we're gonna fight this.
Speaker 5: We're going to fight this as long as it takes,
Speaker 5: and we have the resolve as a school district to
Speaker 5: do so. And and we just ask your listeners to
Speaker 5: help in whatever way they can and and again follow
Speaker 5: our case on that website. We we just again appreciate
Speaker 5: the opportunity of being here with you today and sharing
Speaker 5: this well.
Speaker 3: I appreciate the way you guys are fighting because as
Speaker 3: hard as it is for any of us, to listen
Speaker 3: to any of that.
Speaker 2: For you to have to be able to.
Speaker 3: Educate all of us this way, you know, it has
Speaker 3: to be extremely difficult to be so easy to say, hey,
Speaker 3: we're a small school district. They're the all powerful acl you.
Speaker 3: We did our best, we have no choice. But you're
Speaker 3: not saying that. You're standing up, you're fighting, You're putting
Speaker 3: yourselves out there, you're putting the work in.
Speaker 2: And so the least the rest of us.
Speaker 3: Can do, I think, is if we have the ability,
Speaker 3: whether it's given a dollar or some of the very
Speaker 3: wealthy people in the audience given a whole lot of money,
Speaker 3: your fight is our fight, and I've got to believe
Speaker 3: eventually you're going to win, whether it's the US Supreme Court,
Speaker 3: which has a habit right of taking cases out of Colorado.
Speaker 3: But gentlemen, we have thirty seconds left. Thank you for
Speaker 3: what you're doing. Hopefully everybody will go to the Elizabeth
Speaker 3: School District website and do what they can to help.
Speaker 2: Thank you, and let's get together soon. Thank you, Dan,
Speaker 2: thank you, thank you you take.
Speaker 3: Care of Ryan. Thank you for your great effort. As always, Kelly,
Speaker 3: you're the best. Please join us tomorrow. We'll follow up
Speaker 3: on this tomorrow as well on The Dan Kapla Show.