Speaker 1: You created everything, what put a powerful being you are?
Speaker 2: You did these things, but now you're in a human body,
Speaker 2: you forget the power you have.
Speaker 3: What you do is what the whole universe is doing
Speaker 3: at the place you call here, and now you are
Speaker 3: something the whole universe is doing in the same way
Speaker 3: that a way is something that the whole ocean is doing.
Speaker 1: You're doing you're doing what.
Speaker 2: Welcome to metamistics where you don't know what you don't know.
Speaker 2: My name's Jonathan, I'm Sean, and today we have a
Speaker 2: very special first time guest. Welcome to the show. Joanne
Speaker 2: Mark Keasey Casey are CAZy? All right, Yeah, so it's awesome.
Speaker 2: We're really happy to have this conversation. One of the
Speaker 2: first authors that we've had on this book, and we
Speaker 2: were kind of talking or on a book in general,
Speaker 2: but we were kind of talking to you a little
Speaker 2: bit about about that before the show, about like, oh,
Speaker 2: what's the process of writing a book and getting it
Speaker 2: all out there and everything. But it seems to really
Speaker 2: be such an amazing feat and I definitely have a
Speaker 2: little bit of envy towards you for that very much.
Speaker 2: So if you would, could you let our listeners know
Speaker 2: about your book that is called The Game of Remembrance.
Speaker 1: Yes, so the Game of Remembrance, it's it's a book
Speaker 1: that dives into a lot of different things. So it's
Speaker 1: very hard to say it's, you know, one thing, but
Speaker 1: it's basically showing you how reality can be, whether you
Speaker 1: believe that it actually is a stimulation or that it
Speaker 1: you know, using video game language to better understand it.
Speaker 1: It kind of meets you wherever you're at. So I
Speaker 1: called a living book because every time you read it
Speaker 1: you might find something else. And also because it meets
Speaker 1: you at every level that you're at, it always will
Speaker 1: have some nuggets for you. So it goes into how
Speaker 1: different types of energies environmental, you know, other people, social media,
Speaker 1: how all those things impact your frequency, and then also
Speaker 1: how not only how the game works, but how you
Speaker 1: can take back the controller. So how do you reprogram
Speaker 1: your beliefs because ultimately it's your belief systems that are
Speaker 1: running and creating your reality for you. So if you
Speaker 1: believe that the world is against you, the world is
Speaker 1: going to consistently prove you right. Right, the universe always
Speaker 1: wants you to be right, So how can you take
Speaker 1: back that controller? And create the reality that you really
Speaker 1: want to live in.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 2: I love that you put it into like simulation mode,
Speaker 2: because I think that that is a that's a pretty
Speaker 2: good good idea. I don't, I mean, say what you
Speaker 2: want about the nature of this reality. We don't necessarily,
Speaker 2: I don't even think we have the words to describe
Speaker 2: what is actually going on here, but a simulation or
Speaker 2: a matrix.
Speaker 4: I always like to say, it's.
Speaker 2: A dream kind of all the same thing, actually, you know,
Speaker 2: whenever you really put it into that perspective.
Speaker 1: Oh exactly. I like the game language because then it
Speaker 1: you know, just like anybody that plays a game, what's
Speaker 1: the goals? Right, You have challenges, right, you build up skills,
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, ultimately you're trying to have fun.
Speaker 1: So so that's why I decided to make it that way.
Speaker 1: In that way because it was the best terms that
Speaker 1: I could come up with, the best wording to describe
Speaker 1: how the entire you know, the whole spectrum from you know,
Speaker 1: I describe atoms as pixels, right, So it's it's describing
Speaker 1: every piece of your reality to kind of digest it
Speaker 1: in a way that is in words that anyone can understand.
Speaker 1: So it mixes not just you know, the mystical world,
Speaker 1: but it's definitely based. You know, I have a lot
Speaker 1: of scientific back into how some of the some of
Speaker 1: the methods work, you know, psychology, neuroscience, quantum, you know,
Speaker 1: I have some quantum physics in there. So it's kind
Speaker 1: of takes all of those theories and kind of puts
Speaker 1: them all together in a way that anyone, like I said,
Speaker 1: anyone can understand it. So even if you're not spiritual,
Speaker 1: you know, don't want to take it on a spiritual level,
Speaker 1: but just want to figure out how to to take
Speaker 1: your reality back, you can understand it. Like you don't
Speaker 1: need to have big, you know, these big spiritual definitions
Speaker 1: to really understand it.
Speaker 5: I love that.
Speaker 6: I love that that you taken consideration, you know, the
Speaker 6: psychological understandings of these things. Because like the video game
Speaker 6: analogy that you were making, you know, you can reprogram
Speaker 6: a video game, like a video game might have a
Speaker 6: certain set of parameters and things that you may not
Speaker 6: be able to do, or at least in our reality,
Speaker 6: the things that you don't believe you can do, and
Speaker 6: so you can reprogram the mind and have more fun
Speaker 6: in the.
Speaker 1: Video game exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it seems like there's a you know what's
Speaker 2: fun about that is that, you know, as far as
Speaker 2: like programming the game, I feel like a lot of
Speaker 2: people put put on like a lot of challenges for
Speaker 2: themselves and they don't even know it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Our one of our favorites, our magician friend Lord Byrones
Speaker 2: or shout out, he said that a lot of people
Speaker 2: just go around cursing themselves all day they don't even
Speaker 2: know it, you know, and just building these obstacles and
Speaker 2: they're just making their life harder than it needs to
Speaker 2: be almost like you know, it's a subconscious kind of
Speaker 2: programming that's going on, and they don't know that they
Speaker 2: have any power or any kind of control over it.
Speaker 2: So essentially you can kind of take it and like,
Speaker 2: all right, is my life really hard? Let me just
Speaker 2: lower that down to the easy setting for a little bit,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, and like see how see
Speaker 2: how much fun it can be? Because you know, whenever
Speaker 2: you understand that, like you're the master of your own
Speaker 2: feelings and you're the master of your reaction, and you're
Speaker 2: the master of your awareness. It's like, man, the game
Speaker 2: does get a lot easier, you know it is it?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 2: Does it's especially when really clearious challenges.
Speaker 1: Yes, And when you talk about, you know, subconscious programs,
Speaker 1: that's kind of what I get into because we build
Speaker 1: these subconscious programs especially you know a lot of them
Speaker 1: come from before we're seven years old. Well we don't remember,
Speaker 1: you know, the things that occur that built those belief systems,
Speaker 1: you know, and they're passed on from generation. So if
Speaker 1: your parents didn't heal something in you, guess what, you're
Speaker 1: the one that has to heal it. But the magic
Speaker 1: of it, which I can only call it magic, yeah,
Speaker 1: is when you heal it within yourself, you actually heal
Speaker 1: your children. You actually help heal your you know, your
Speaker 1: parents and your grandparents, they might not all rise to
Speaker 1: where your you know, what your level of awareness is
Speaker 1: and understanding, but you can definitely see the shifts in them. So,
Speaker 1: I mean it's miraculous.
Speaker 2: And especially whenever you instead of looking at life as
Speaker 2: linear and you can see it as cyclical as almost
Speaker 2: all the ancients always talked about. I mean, that's that's
Speaker 2: the whole idea around the mind calendar, right, Like it's
Speaker 2: all cyclical and and all of the the the what
Speaker 2: is it called the you'd shoot?
Speaker 4: I forget what it's called.
Speaker 2: But there's another thing about Yeah, there's a bunch of
Speaker 2: other different ways that have looked at the nature of
Speaker 2: this reality is cyclical. But if the idea that you
Speaker 2: can go in and heal your your own seven seven
Speaker 2: year old childhood self and like, have that have other
Speaker 2: effects outside of just you, because it's really all you
Speaker 2: the end anyway, isn't it? Like I do you prescribe
Speaker 2: to the whole idea that everything is one?
Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, Now that doesn't mean that you have to
Speaker 1: agree with everybody's point of view. You know, we're all
Speaker 1: here to play different roles. And the sad you know,
Speaker 1: the thing that most people can't get behind is that
Speaker 1: everyone's playing their roles exactly the way they're supposed to,
Speaker 1: even if it's something where you would think would be negative. Right,
Speaker 1: but they all have a purpose. And when you can
Speaker 1: accept that and then start to realize that everyone's mirroring
Speaker 1: back to you because because this is the thing the
Speaker 1: universe wants you to heal, that's why people stay in cycles, right,
Speaker 1: It's because you need to break out of those by
Speaker 1: seeing what is happening that you need to change within
Speaker 1: yourself so you can move forward. But instead people get
Speaker 1: really comfortable because they can predict those cycles that they'll
Speaker 1: just keep repeating the same type of relationship, situation, whatever
Speaker 1: whatever is in that program, right, and.
Speaker 6: They get to a certain point where they just accept
Speaker 6: it as their reality. It's like, oh, I just can't
Speaker 6: get your break. That's just me, that's just my luck.
Speaker 6: That's just how you know, the cookie crumbles. But it's like,
Speaker 6: oh they can, they can just stop themselves and look
Speaker 6: inside and go, Okay, this is why I see that
Speaker 6: in that negative way. You know, let me change that
Speaker 6: about myself and then just kind of you know, one
Speaker 6: by one.
Speaker 2: It's like God's God's I guess some God's redheaded stepchild today.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like a man, get out of your
Speaker 2: own way. Like if you look at it that way,
Speaker 2: then yeah, Like it's amazing that people just don't catch
Speaker 2: on to that. They just assume that the worst is
Speaker 2: going to happen, and then the worst does happen, and
Speaker 2: they're like, why are.
Speaker 4: They not calling themselves?
Speaker 2: Yeah, why are they not calling themselves prophets at this point?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Like it's just so crazy,
Speaker 2: but just out of curiosity. How did you get to
Speaker 2: this place? You know, like all of this information you
Speaker 2: said you kind of held onto it for a couple
Speaker 2: of years. I mean, was there a certain like epiphany
Speaker 2: moment in your life or what was that?
Speaker 1: So a lot of my life I've been directed and
Speaker 1: not really realizing I was being directed to do things
Speaker 1: and to learn things. And but what really, you know, downloaded,
Speaker 1: I would say, all this information to me was when
Speaker 1: my my husband had passed away. And when that happened,
Speaker 1: thank you. When that happened, I went was not only
Speaker 1: going through the grieving process, but I was going through
Speaker 1: the awakening process at the same time. And it was
Speaker 1: the most beautiful thing I've ever experienced. But in the
Speaker 1: same aspect, I thought I was going crazy because I
Speaker 1: couldn't function at work, like I couldn't actually like comprehend
Speaker 1: regular emails. But I was understanding these huge, you know,
Speaker 1: philosophies and theories and was being guided to people I
Speaker 1: didn't even know I learned about, like Dolores Cannon and
Speaker 1: you know, all of that, and and it really started
Speaker 1: putting things into perspectives, Like there was a period of
Speaker 1: time where I was like the universe kind of pulled
Speaker 1: me away from all like all like regular entertainment and
Speaker 1: wanted me to do research. And I just did everything
Speaker 1: from different religions to quantum physics and science mysticism. You know,
Speaker 1: I was very much, of course, you know, into near
Speaker 1: death and you know, discussions around that because of my husband.
Speaker 1: But I was just guided the whole time, Like I
Speaker 1: was doing things to help myself that I didn't even
Speaker 1: know were things like I was tapping on myself to
Speaker 1: release the energy. Later on I found out that's emotional.
Speaker 1: Oh I can't even think what it's called right now,
Speaker 1: emotional something technique. So there was all these things that
Speaker 1: I was being guided to do that I've never even
Speaker 1: heard of. So like I thought I was going crazy.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm sitting around the house like beating my
Speaker 1: chest like I'm a freaking monkey. And but it but
Speaker 1: it made me better, like it, it shook it out
Speaker 1: of me and allowed me to heal. So when all
Speaker 1: this was happening, I was, you know, downloaded information. I
Speaker 1: started seeing how when I had changed myself, you know
Speaker 1: a few years before I met my husband, I had
Speaker 1: left a very toxic marriage. But because I was doing
Speaker 1: healing before that, That's what gave me the ability to leave,
Speaker 1: to be able to rediscover who I was and decide
Speaker 1: at that point who I really wanted to be, because
Speaker 1: I was never ever really truly myself. And that's when
Speaker 1: things just started, even though I wasn't in the place
Speaker 1: too like I wasn't close to my awakening quite yet,
Speaker 1: but I was already it was already starting to feed
Speaker 1: me information. And it's just it's just been a crazy ride,
Speaker 1: to be perfectly.
Speaker 2: Honest, dude, I can't imagine. I'm so sorry to hear
Speaker 2: about your loss. That is, I can't even imagine that.
Speaker 2: But you know, and you hear about it a lot,
Speaker 2: like as far as like people having like these wild
Speaker 2: mystical kind of experiences through trauma, which is really wild.
Speaker 2: Like that's like one of the main clinchers from what
Speaker 2: I hear.
Speaker 1: Well, I feel like you got to be like it's
Speaker 1: almost like you have to be broken down to your foundation, right,
Speaker 1: Like you can't it's really hard for you to build
Speaker 1: on top of old foundation. So you know, when he
Speaker 1: had passed, like literally all my belief systems were ripped away.
Speaker 1: So like things like that used to drive me, like
Speaker 1: money or you know, the way I looked or what
Speaker 1: people thought or any of those things. I didn't give
Speaker 1: a crap anymore. So I had no foundation, and I was,
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't know where I was going to
Speaker 1: go after so I was, you know, my I kind
Speaker 1: of just surrendered and was and wanted to stay open.
Speaker 1: That was the one thing that I said, you know,
Speaker 1: I wanted to be open to any kind of experience
Speaker 1: that he wanted to send to me. So in order
Speaker 1: to do that, I had to believe in anything. Like
Speaker 1: I I did not limit any of my beliefs and
Speaker 1: I still don't. Like I have theories and I have
Speaker 1: seen how things work, but I always want to keep
Speaker 1: my mind open to anything, because as soon as you
Speaker 1: shut it down, you start limiting it. Like for people
Speaker 1: who say, you know, magic's not real, right, like boom,
Speaker 1: so you'll never see magic, it's not real. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: So I don't want to limit my reality. I want
Speaker 1: to try to experience as much as I possibly can.
Speaker 2: And that's why I literally, like our tagline to the
Speaker 2: show is you don't know what you don't know, and
Speaker 2: and honestly, like even the stuff that you do know,
Speaker 2: you know, you kind of shouldn't all the way now.
Speaker 5: You know, it's like even that you probably just don't
Speaker 5: know all the way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and you learn the more you know, the
Speaker 1: less you know. Like he just you know, when I
Speaker 1: came out of my awakening, I was in a different
Speaker 1: place than I'm even at now, Like I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I know everything, Oh, everything's gonna be fine, And then
Speaker 1: it was like, oh, I have to go save the world.
Speaker 1: Then you know, you go through all these different phases
Speaker 1: and then you come back to being like, no, all
Speaker 1: you have to do is really save yourself, and the
Speaker 1: rest kind of works itself out.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there is beautifully said.
Speaker 2: There seems to be like a like a rapid evolution
Speaker 2: over time once you start like accepting things and looking
Speaker 2: into things and just being open minded and and you know,
Speaker 2: with all of that, you know, all that research and
Speaker 2: that being open minded, you know, it's just as important
Speaker 2: to learn new things as it is to unlearn things,
Speaker 2: right like that Sometimes is the block that's holding you know,
Speaker 2: you back, is your you're limiting beliefs of whatever you
Speaker 2: were taught whenever you were growing up. I mean, whether
Speaker 2: you were raised in some kind of religious household or
Speaker 2: just a strict household in general, didn't even necessarily have
Speaker 2: to be religious. But like you know, some people they
Speaker 2: carry on like that same energy from their parents and
Speaker 2: they're now they're treating their kids that way. And it's
Speaker 2: just it's an unlearning thing because a lot of people
Speaker 2: do most of this stuff unknowingly. It's just like a
Speaker 2: natural trigger. It's a natural response. It's what you were
Speaker 2: kind of like programmed to do at a very young age.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's it's pretty crazy.
Speaker 2: But oh, that that tapping you were saying, it's called
Speaker 2: emotional freedom technique.
Speaker 6: That's it interesting, and that's something that you were just
Speaker 6: doing naturally because it felt good. It made you feel
Speaker 6: a little bit better in the moment, and it's like
Speaker 6: that nosis to just do that as well.
Speaker 1: I would feel that like I was feeling it like
Speaker 1: build up, and so I would like tap and it
Speaker 1: was like releasing that energy inside me. And every like
Speaker 1: I tried everything, like when he died, I tried everything
Speaker 1: I did acupuncture, I did past life regression. I did
Speaker 1: everything I could possibly do, and every bit of it
Speaker 1: helped me to learn more and it helped me to
Speaker 1: heal more. Because my goal was I wanted to to
Speaker 1: be able to live a life that you know, he
Speaker 1: would enjoy watching me live. And in order to do that,
Speaker 1: I needed to learn to love myself as much as
Speaker 1: I loved him and not allow other people to stop me.
Speaker 1: You know, in the beginning, I know I sounded crazy
Speaker 1: to people, and I was always thankful because the universe
Speaker 1: always gave me the right person to be around when
Speaker 1: I was in certain parts. You know, I thought I
Speaker 1: was going to be alone right after because I had
Speaker 1: moved to Florida and to be with him, and all
Speaker 1: my family was up north, so it was just me
Speaker 1: and him. And I was like, well, you know, as
Speaker 1: soon as he goes, like they're not going to get
Speaker 1: down here fast enough, I'm going to be in this
Speaker 1: period of like this dark energy like I was. What
Speaker 1: I thought was going to happen didn't happen at all.
Speaker 1: The things I was fearful of coming up to, you know,
Speaker 1: his death, I didn't experience, like as soon as he died,
Speaker 1: like he was right in my ear. I had some
Speaker 1: weird experiences with a friend of mine who's a psychic,
Speaker 1: Like he was going to her and telling her stuff
Speaker 1: to tell me, and I was having you know, when
Speaker 1: I had a vision, she had a similar vision, so
Speaker 1: it helped validate me, so I didn't think guy was
Speaker 1: going crazy like it was just everything was divinely orchestrated.
Speaker 1: And I feel that it still is. Like every part
Speaker 1: of my life, the jobs I've had, the things I've done,
Speaker 1: the people I've met, have all been part of my
Speaker 1: evolution and my tests to make sure that I am
Speaker 1: going to have healthy boundaries and I'm going to honor
Speaker 1: myself and my my authentic self, which I always tell people.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, stop being what other people want
Speaker 1: you to be. Be authentic self, because every time they
Speaker 1: do that, they like, you know when they say, you
Speaker 1: know they want to fit into the box. Well, when
Speaker 1: you fit into a box, you cut off all You're
Speaker 1: like a puzzle piece, and when you fit into a box,
Speaker 1: you cut those pieces off and those edges is what's
Speaker 1: the most important parts. And I did that for so long,
Speaker 1: like I let other people dictate who I should be.
Speaker 1: And when I really took back my power is when
Speaker 1: when my life really started to change.
Speaker 6: That is I heard this one thing, it said, just
Speaker 6: be yourself because everybody else is taken.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well God didn't make you, you know, the universe
Speaker 1: source whatever you want to call it. You know, you
Speaker 1: weren't created to be like everyone else. You work and
Speaker 1: created to be who you are. You all everyone has
Speaker 1: their own special role to play, and and the more
Speaker 1: you don't play that role, the harder your life actually is.
Speaker 5: In my opinion, Oh absolutely, And that's why.
Speaker 6: You know, when people come on our show, and we
Speaker 6: have live shows too, and sometimes people will describe an
Speaker 6: experience they had, we take it at that surface level.
Speaker 6: We look at that as in, that is a real thing.
Speaker 6: Just because that I haven't had that experience doesn't mean
Speaker 6: it's not real. And so we're all supposed to have
Speaker 6: different experiences. I think that's the whole point. But whenever
Speaker 6: someone goes, well, that's not possible, there's no way that's real,
Speaker 6: it's like, no, I think that's defeating the purpose.
Speaker 5: I think that that's really kind of holding us back.
Speaker 2: It's just it, you know, it discredits people. You know,
Speaker 2: whenever you say, oh I don't believe that happened, or
Speaker 2: that's not real or you made that up or whatever.
Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, an experience is an experience you know
Speaker 2: and like. And you see people talking like profoundly about
Speaker 2: their experiences, their experiences change their life.
Speaker 4: It changes their worldview. The lens that they look at
Speaker 4: this world is shifted now.
Speaker 2: And and you know, I actually so I have another podcast.
Speaker 4: It's a conspiracy podcast.
Speaker 2: We like a lot of alien like, you know, invasions
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, not invasion. But back in the fifties,
Speaker 2: there was this There was this little town in Texas, and.
Speaker 4: There was like.
Speaker 2: Twelve or thirteen different people that all experienced the same
Speaker 2: thing basically like this craft or this orb like object
Speaker 2: going down and landing in the center of the road
Speaker 2: as they're trying to drive their car and as they're
Speaker 2: approaching it, their car shut off and it doesn't work anymore.
Speaker 2: All the electricity you know, in the car is completely out,
Speaker 2: and so they get out of the car to take
Speaker 2: a good look at it, and as soon as they
Speaker 2: take a couple of steps closer, the thing vanishes and
Speaker 2: it just jumps up like light speed, right. And there
Speaker 2: were like ten different, ten, twelve, thirteen different accounts of
Speaker 2: this all on the same night in level in Texas
Speaker 2: back in nineteen fifty seven. And it wasn't even just
Speaker 2: regular like civilians, like there was a firefighter, there was
Speaker 2: a cop, there was a there was a farmer. There
Speaker 2: was like a bunch of these different kind of personalities
Speaker 2: and the government during that time that you know, to
Speaker 2: monitor to try and figure out like what's really going
Speaker 2: on with a lot of these UFO things. They had
Speaker 2: Project Blue Book, which in my opinion is kind of
Speaker 2: a scam, but back then, what they would have Project
Speaker 2: Blue Book and they would come and investigate, and you
Speaker 2: know what they chalked it up to, Well, these people were,
Speaker 2: you know, just experiencing some kind of mass psychosis.
Speaker 5: And made their car physically not work, and.
Speaker 2: They saw nothing except for ball lightning and Saint Elmo's fire,
Speaker 2: which is basically like another form of lightning. And it's
Speaker 2: like crazy, man, Like I feel yeah, yeah, And it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, you just discredited all these people. Imagine all
Speaker 2: those people that have to go throughout their lives now
Speaker 2: and they're like, man, am I actually crazy?
Speaker 4: Did I really not see that?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 2: What about those other ten or twelve people that saw
Speaker 2: the exact same thing?
Speaker 4: And it's like, man, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, you can't go around just believing everybody's everything.
Speaker 2: But just be open minded. That's all that it requires.
Speaker 2: I think, think absolutely.
Speaker 1: Yes, and don't you know, don't dismiss other people's experiences
Speaker 1: if you can't understand them, that's fine, right, Like, you know,
Speaker 1: there's certain things that you know, people experience that I
Speaker 1: don't quite understand, but that doesn't mean I don't think
Speaker 1: it's true, at least not to that person. And if
Speaker 1: you look at it again through the lens of a
Speaker 1: video game, right simulation, we are all experiencing different realities.
Speaker 1: Every single one of us, just I mean even just
Speaker 1: the three of us in this chat are experiencing this
Speaker 1: completely differently from each other because we're experiencing it through
Speaker 1: our own beliefs, our own experiences, our own thoughts. Right,
Speaker 1: So if you think about that on a global scale,
Speaker 1: and we're creating our own reality, right, these realities sometimes
Speaker 1: leak into each other, but they don't touch each other.
Speaker 1: So for instance, you know a lot of people get
Speaker 1: fearful of the government right now, or fearful of all
Speaker 1: these things that are happening, and I look at it like, well,
Speaker 1: it's somebody's reality, it's not necessarily mine. Yes, I don't
Speaker 1: pay attention to the news. I don't pay attention to
Speaker 1: any of that's distraction because again, I want to build
Speaker 1: my own reality. Right, So if I want to build
Speaker 1: my own reality, I got to keep all my energy
Speaker 1: as close to me as possible. So I'm only focusing
Speaker 1: on the things that are immediately interacting with me because
Speaker 1: that's my game. Right. So if people are you know,
Speaker 1: if people can detach from the thought that that might
Speaker 1: be part of their reality, they actually can be able
Speaker 1: to enjoy the reality because the suffering that I see
Speaker 1: and people are the worry, it's just it's it's taking
Speaker 1: away from them to enjoy the now. Yes, and this
Speaker 1: stuff has never gone away, like there's always been crazy
Speaker 1: stuff that's happened. You know, go back as long as
Speaker 1: you want, you know, there's always something happening. And you know,
Speaker 1: so if you can't create joy now, when will you
Speaker 1: ever create joy?
Speaker 5: Right now?
Speaker 6: You think constantly just waiting for it, just waiting for
Speaker 6: something to happen, to finally start living your life on
Speaker 6: this day, dude, I'm gonna be happy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, not right now though, I know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's silly when you think about it, because you
Speaker 2: think about it, what was it like? You know, there's
Speaker 2: all the crazy and we don't I'm not trying to
Speaker 2: turn this into a political thing, but you think about it, like,
Speaker 2: there's all the crazy things that are going on in
Speaker 2: politics today, you know, geopolitics all around the world. It's
Speaker 2: happening everywhere right like it's non stop. And then you
Speaker 2: just take a little you know, glance back at the
Speaker 2: pages of history and you're like, oh, wow, back in
Speaker 2: the sixties. JFK got shot. Back in the eighteen hundreds,
Speaker 2: Abraham Lincoln got shot, and you know even before or that,
Speaker 2: this wasn't even a country most of the seventeen hundreds.
Speaker 2: And it's like, man, shit is always going to go
Speaker 2: down at all times. And you know, I imagine that whatever,
Speaker 2: whatever kind of stuff is really going on in the world.
Speaker 2: It's not to say that you don't care about it,
Speaker 2: it's just that it's not a part of my reality today.
Speaker 2: And whatever you focus on is really the thing that
Speaker 2: you're really energizing. Because it's funny because you'll see people
Speaker 2: that are just glued to the news and they can't
Speaker 2: get enough of it. They're like, you know, if they
Speaker 2: hate somebody or they love somebody, oh look how good
Speaker 2: they did, Look how terrible they did. And it's just
Speaker 2: like picking and choosing, and you're allowing other people to
Speaker 2: dictate you know what you're feeling and how you're experiencing
Speaker 2: this reality. And so the idea that you can kind
Speaker 2: of go in there and code all of the bits
Speaker 2: of information as if it is kind of a video game,
Speaker 2: I think you absolutely can do that, just and just
Speaker 2: by taking control of your own moment to moment life.
Speaker 2: You know, don't put yourself in front of all the
Speaker 2: things that are going to you down. Why would you
Speaker 2: even do that, you know, it's almost like self sacrifice at.
Speaker 1: That point exactly. And if you look at it, I mean,
Speaker 1: if you really look at history like most people are.
Speaker 1: You know so much in what's happening right now, But
Speaker 1: if you look at history, you know we're humans and
Speaker 1: that we evolve very slowly, you know, so if you
Speaker 1: look you know, even yes, there's still violence in the world,
Speaker 1: but there's less if you really look at like, you know,
Speaker 1: at one point you could go kill your neighbor if
Speaker 1: they stole your goat, right, Like, that's not really a thing. Now,
Speaker 1: there's the And I really think the fact that we
Speaker 1: have so much access to information than we have ever
Speaker 1: had in our lives really also helps us to evolve
Speaker 1: and grow and be able to see things from different
Speaker 1: perspectives when before we were very limited. You can only
Speaker 1: read this book if it was in the library that
Speaker 1: you know, like that they approved for you to read.
Speaker 1: So so people need to start focusing on the fact
Speaker 1: that we are growing, we are getting better. It just
Speaker 1: takes us a long time, you know. I go back
Speaker 1: to like Jesus, right, he spoke about all this stuff then,
Speaker 1: and it's taken us this long to understand that Christ's consciousness, right,
Speaker 1: to understand to really love yourself as well as others. Right,
Speaker 1: it's not just it's not just a place to go
Speaker 1: on Sunday, you know, it's you really got to embody
Speaker 1: the beliefs and the teachings because it really opens you up.
Speaker 1: It's and it's a and he you know, he taught
Speaker 1: it in ways that people can understand. But you know
Speaker 1: he talks about, you know, the karma and and how
Speaker 1: these things come back to you and forgiving people, you know,
Speaker 1: because they don't know any better, like you know, when
Speaker 1: he scrucified, forgive them. They don't know what they're you know,
Speaker 1: and they don't know what they do they because they
Speaker 1: don't they're all stuck in these old programs of belief
Speaker 1: systems that don't allow them to you know, see everybody
Speaker 1: for who they are.
Speaker 2: Well, they just want people to be followers and obey,
Speaker 2: you know, like that's that's kind of and and to
Speaker 2: be honest, I was one of those like non player
Speaker 2: characters most of my life. I mean, just to make
Speaker 2: a simulation kind of game reference there, It's like I
Speaker 2: was an NPC most of my life, and and I
Speaker 2: didn't even know that I was being you know, programmed
Speaker 2: and manipulated and controlled, because I was just going along
Speaker 2: to get along, just like everybody else, you know, going
Speaker 2: to work and and and everything else that comes with,
Speaker 2: you know, your daily duty of life, and not even wondering,
Speaker 2: you know, like why did I never take a moment
Speaker 2: to think about where did I actually come from? You know,
Speaker 2: where was I existing before this? Am I?
Speaker 4: Where am I going after? And why?
Speaker 2: You know, and even back then you would see which
Speaker 2: I didn't even know the term back then. But it's
Speaker 2: like I didn't even know what synchronicities were, but I
Speaker 2: knew I've seen them, you know. And why is it
Speaker 2: that some movies speak to you? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like why is it that a certain tone can put
Speaker 2: you into a certain like almost loving trance and being
Speaker 2: more open and being more forgiven and all of these things.
Speaker 2: And you know, it's once you have that wake up call.
Speaker 2: And everybody has their own kind of awakening process, and
Speaker 2: I mean some people have it all at once and
Speaker 2: some people. You know, it's it's happening a little bit
Speaker 2: day by day, you know, and it seems like kind
Speaker 2: of insignificant at the moment, right, but you stack those up,
Speaker 2: you know, a day after a day after a day
Speaker 2: after a week, after a month, after a few years,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, you're just like, you know what,
Speaker 2: I think, I'm not going to go to the mall
Speaker 2: today because I don't need to buy any more materialistic shit,
Speaker 2: you know, just after a while you get there, uh.
Speaker 1: I know. And women like and women it's even worse
Speaker 1: because you have to you know, they put into your head.
Speaker 1: You need to get your nails done, you need to
Speaker 1: get your eyebrows done, you need to get your you know,
Speaker 1: your hair done. You need to always have the highest
Speaker 1: fashion and all this stuff. But I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: you shouldn't do what makes you feel feel good about
Speaker 1: you and how you want to present yourself to the world.
Speaker 1: But feeling the need to to be and dressed like
Speaker 1: other people in order to fit in is not the
Speaker 1: same thing. And most of my life, like I was
Speaker 1: programmed very early, you know, especially if you if you
Speaker 1: grew up in the you know, the eighties early nineties,
Speaker 1: TV was over sexualized, like women's roles in TV. So
Speaker 1: like at a young age, I was like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: that's all I can be, is this?
Speaker 4: You know this like Jessica Rabbit.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know, like I have to be this role.
Speaker 1: Otherwise a man's not going to want me. They're not
Speaker 1: going to want me for me or my personality. I
Speaker 1: have to look a certain way or or you know,
Speaker 1: be promiscuous, you know what I mean, not promiscuous, but
Speaker 1: you know, be more open to allowing men to have
Speaker 1: more of what they want and less of what's good
Speaker 1: for me. And I started doing some of that subconscious
Speaker 1: reprogramming myself, and that's where I kind of started to
Speaker 1: start seeing how it affected my life because I had
Speaker 1: this belief that like sex equaled love and that really
Speaker 1: just that little belief threw off my entire you know,
Speaker 1: how my relationships were, how I would carry myself. And
Speaker 1: once I reprogrammed that as well as a bunch of others.
Speaker 1: I was able to heal enough to get my strength
Speaker 1: to leave a relationship that wasn't good for me, and
Speaker 1: be able to recreate who I wanted to do or
Speaker 1: who I wanted to be. And because of that and
Speaker 1: the universe guided me to be a reiki master. I
Speaker 1: didn't even know what reiki was and was like, you
Speaker 1: need to go find a reiki master. And I lived
Speaker 1: in the middle of freaking nowhere, and I'm like, where
Speaker 1: am I going to find someone to teach me this? How,
Speaker 1: somebody opened a shop near me and I started taking
Speaker 1: classes and I and I started to explore other things.
Speaker 1: And that was way before my awakening. And because of
Speaker 1: that knowledge and that experience, when I was going through
Speaker 1: my awakening, I started to see how everything tied together.
Speaker 1: And I was given like instructions of how to combine
Speaker 1: different methodologies together so that you can reprogram your mind
Speaker 1: literally overnight. And so in my book, I teach you
Speaker 1: how to do it yourself, which doesn't really work as
Speaker 1: quickly because you're you're kind of doing it while you're conscious, right,
Speaker 1: so you're not really tapping into the subcontract.
Speaker 6: You still have to build that belief to correct.
Speaker 1: So you're building the belief doing the action, booing the
Speaker 1: belief doing the action, and it takes a little bit,
Speaker 1: but you'll get you there. But when I started, I
Speaker 1: opened a coaching business it's called Infinite Mindset Coaching, where
Speaker 1: I help people identify the beliefs and reprogram them as
Speaker 1: well as do energy healing at the same time to
Speaker 1: remove it from the body, because the body is like
Speaker 1: the last part of it. Like you can heal it
Speaker 1: in the mind, but you still got to heal it
Speaker 1: in your body, and their body needs to trust that
Speaker 1: you are going to behave in a certain way of
Speaker 1: this new belief to be able to actually calm down
Speaker 1: your nervous system. So this method, I've been able to
Speaker 1: help people literally change their lives overnight. And it has
Speaker 1: been such a blessing to be able to watch people
Speaker 1: like just go from being in such an unworthy, fearful
Speaker 1: state to loving life and doing things that they wouldn't
Speaker 1: have normally done because it makes them happy.
Speaker 2: You know what it is so crazy is so I
Speaker 2: recently started doing this thing because I'm really trying to
Speaker 2: get a lot more familiar with the taro and not
Speaker 2: necessarily needing like a cheat book to to read the
Speaker 2: definition from because and we've been doing this for over
Speaker 2: two years. We'll read a card at the end of
Speaker 2: every show and usually it correlates with, you know, the
Speaker 2: energy of the show, like like shockingly crazily every single time,
Speaker 2: and and so.
Speaker 5: You relight on that book.
Speaker 6: So that's probably why we haven't learned as much as
Speaker 6: we should, because we're just like, we're just gonna look
Speaker 6: at the book because.
Speaker 5: The answer and move on, you know.
Speaker 2: Exactly, and you know what's and so ever since then, well,
Speaker 2: for the past week or so, I have been trying
Speaker 2: to pull a couple of cards every day, usually just
Speaker 2: like just trying to get more familiar with it. But
Speaker 2: I'll ask it a question, whatever, question, right like how's
Speaker 2: my mom doing? How are my kids doing it? You know,
Speaker 2: and just stuff like this, you know, kind of insignifant,
Speaker 2: not insignificant, but you know it just informative, kind of
Speaker 2: in a playful way. Right, Yeah, that's perfect. And so
Speaker 2: I was like, you know what, I haven't pulled one today.
Speaker 2: Let's see what Joanne's energy is going to be bringing tonight.
Speaker 2: And I should you know, hu, and and I hope
Speaker 2: you can relate with this, but it's the queen of
Speaker 2: cups and which is so crazy. And I have you
Speaker 2: know that deck that has like the cheater kind of
Speaker 2: definition on it, you know the beginner deck, and it
Speaker 2: says uh, femininity or yeah, femininity, compassion, kindness, empathy, supportive
Speaker 2: counseling or therapy, which is so spot on with what
Speaker 2: you're what like, I feel that energy coming through and
Speaker 2: then that's what you do with your infinite mindset coaching.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, so crazy and I and I and I
Speaker 1: like tarot too, and I don't really follow the normal guidelines.
Speaker 1: I don't do a normal type of spread. I just
Speaker 1: do it however I feel called to. Sometimes it looks
Speaker 1: one way, sometimes it looks another. And I read the
Speaker 1: cards together as I'm intuitively guided. So taro is basically
Speaker 1: a focal point for your own intuition. So you don't
Speaker 1: necessy sarahly have to. If you're interested in learning taro,
Speaker 1: you can, you know, learn the formal definitions. Some of
Speaker 1: that might help, but I feel like it's it's your intuition,
Speaker 1: like it's just another tool to help you focus it.
Speaker 1: I did when I first started learning tarot, I was
Speaker 1: in tarot class. And they were saying that, like, use
Speaker 1: your intuition, don't read it for the meeting. And I
Speaker 1: looked at the card and I looked at the lady
Speaker 1: and I go, are you pregnant? And she said yes,
Speaker 1: nobody knew what gidding. So yeah, it's it's a way
Speaker 1: to kind of help, you know, because when so, I'm
Speaker 1: what I would call a clare sentient, which is just knowing.
Speaker 1: I am a little claire Audio, a little claire voyant,
Speaker 1: but mostly sentient. Like I'm mostly it's mostly thoughts. So
Speaker 1: when you're when you're clare sentient, and you have and
Speaker 1: it's just thoughts, trying to discern them from the ones
Speaker 1: that are coming in from your your autopilot and your
Speaker 1: your subconscious reprogramming. It can get confusing because you'll doubt it.
Speaker 1: For a long period of time. I doubted my intuition,
Speaker 1: and once I started to kind of trust it is
Speaker 1: when it started to be actually more accurate. And I
Speaker 1: use I do use taro. If my clients like Taro,
Speaker 1: I always like to give them a little Tarot when
Speaker 1: they come in and see me, just for fun because
Speaker 1: it's and every time I do it, it validates everything
Speaker 1: we talked about and also gives a little bit more
Speaker 1: information and it it and it's just fun, like it's
Speaker 1: just it's not supposed to be serious, but it does
Speaker 1: tell you, like weirdly enough, when my before my husband
Speaker 1: passed interesting story, I moved in with him August twelfth
Speaker 1: and he died August eleventh. We had exactly one year,
Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty five days, so I knew like
Speaker 1: it was all divinely orchestrated, like I saw it as
Speaker 1: it was happening, right, But in the beginning, when I
Speaker 1: first moved in, like this voice came to me and says,
Speaker 1: you know, you're gonna have to love him really hard
Speaker 1: and lose him. Are you gonna be okay with that? Now?
Speaker 1: He was older than me, so I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, one year, twenty years, whatever, no time was
Speaker 1: going to be enough. But because that voice came to me,
Speaker 1: like I lived every moment to the fullest with him,
Speaker 1: you know, like I tried very hard to make sure
Speaker 1: every day was amazing, and I'm so thankful I do,
Speaker 1: because I don't have any regrets over any part of
Speaker 1: our relationship. But when he got cancer, and I can't
Speaker 1: remember if I did the terror card right before or
Speaker 1: right after we got married in mart I mean to
Speaker 1: be honest, we were gonna get married anyways, but we
Speaker 1: got married that quickly because he needed a knee surgery
Speaker 1: and I need to put him on my health insurance,
Speaker 1: so that was kind of why we did it. We
Speaker 1: ended up finding out he didn't need a knee surgery.
Speaker 1: The next month, we found out he had cancer. And
Speaker 1: he went from being super strong to being completely dependent
Speaker 1: on me, wheel chair bound, like completely dependent. And when
Speaker 1: I did a tarot card reading, I got the Tower
Speaker 1: card and I was like, fuck like anyway, and I
Speaker 1: and and it really was like it it it was
Speaker 1: a tower. It took me down to my foundation and
Speaker 1: I had to rebuild it. But in the same aspect,
Speaker 1: like I said, it was one of the most beautiful
Speaker 1: experiences I've ever gotten to be A part of cancer
Speaker 1: is a is a wicked, wicked disease, but a part
Speaker 1: of me believes that we choose how we die or
Speaker 1: how we exit. And even though can is is difficult
Speaker 1: to watch somebody go through and take care of somebody
Speaker 1: who is you know, who has cancer, it is it
Speaker 1: has so many good pieces to it. It allows people
Speaker 1: the opportunity to build those relationships, you know, up fix
Speaker 1: anything that they need to fix before you know they leave.
Speaker 1: And I was watching as we were going to the
Speaker 1: hospital for all his care of how our relationship was
Speaker 1: affecting the nurses, and how our relationship was affecting his family,
Speaker 1: and how it just rippled out away from me, and
Speaker 1: and like I said, it was just it was just
Speaker 1: such a great thing. And and then you know, when
Speaker 1: you when you go through that, like I thought about it,
Speaker 1: at one point, I was like, well, what would have
Speaker 1: been the alternative? Right, the alternative was then I would
Speaker 1: have never met him, and he would have had to
Speaker 1: deal with this all by himself. And that is and
Speaker 1: I and that was not something that you know, I
Speaker 1: would have rather gone through what I went through. And
Speaker 1: he was the best person to go through with. I
Speaker 1: even said to him, I go, if I have to
Speaker 1: go through this experience, you were the best person to
Speaker 1: be with because he was always no matter how much
Speaker 1: pain he was in, he was always kind and considerate
Speaker 1: and loving. And I really think that's because of all
Speaker 1: the work I did before I had met him. You
Speaker 1: know a lot of people think, you know, they throw
Speaker 1: the word like twin flame and stuff for realm and
Speaker 1: at the beginning, like I was always like, I didn't
Speaker 1: know what a twin flame was till after he passed,
Speaker 1: and that came through as that was our you know,
Speaker 1: that was our period of evolution for both of us,
Speaker 1: and he was my catalyst. But the thing with twin
Speaker 1: flames is a mirror back to you everything you need
Speaker 1: to heal in yourself, and I thankfully healed a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff before I met him, because it could have
Speaker 1: been a lot harder if I didn't. So I always
Speaker 1: tell people if you're really looking for your person, and
Speaker 1: it doesn't like I said, twin flames, soulmate, whatever, they're
Speaker 1: always going to reflect back to you. So make sure
Speaker 1: you're in a good place yourself before you get into
Speaker 1: a relationship with someone, because it'll make it a lot
Speaker 1: easier and you'll have a much better connection because, like
Speaker 1: I said, the universe is always trying to show you
Speaker 1: where you need to heal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, that is so that's it feels right, you know,
Speaker 2: like that kind of stuff. And it's interesting because you
Speaker 2: know just the the duality of the situation. You know,
Speaker 2: you were there for him in his final days. You
Speaker 2: were almost like his his angel or his guy, you know,
Speaker 2: and and conversely he was helping you through something and
Speaker 2: he you know, I mean, no matter like how rigid
Speaker 2: the whole the whole thing was, Like I'm sure you
Speaker 2: would rather have not have gone through that, but it
Speaker 2: sparked something inside of you. And you know, look at
Speaker 2: what look at what came. You know, like here you
Speaker 2: are on this show and I'm sure many other shows,
Speaker 2: and you write in a book and like you're getting
Speaker 2: the message out there, and it's just so great. I'm
Speaker 2: happy to see that you were able to get something
Speaker 2: from such a horrible situation and rebound and turn it
Speaker 2: into something beautiful almost, like like manure makes mushrooms and
Speaker 2: flowers and all these things. Right, Like, it's just crazy
Speaker 2: how it all works out in.
Speaker 5: The end, dude. Not to mention just your your energy
Speaker 5: is just great. You know.
Speaker 6: Usually before a show, I always get like the butterflies,
Speaker 6: you know, I think that's that's a good thing. I
Speaker 6: think it's excitement too, a little bit in there. But
Speaker 6: as soon as you popped on, I was like, oh,
Speaker 6: I felt right at home. So letting you know, like
Speaker 6: your energy is great.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I try really hard to keep it nice
Speaker 1: and nice and clean and airy. Yeah yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I can't say that. It's like I I know, everybody
Speaker 1: like talks about love and light and and you know,
Speaker 1: if you'll build up your frequency, everything will work out.
Speaker 1: But it's not that way, you know it. The suffer
Speaker 1: is easier, you get through it and you move through
Speaker 1: it quicker, but there's still work that you still need
Speaker 1: to do, and there is no growth without you know,
Speaker 1: the polarity, Like you really won't grow if you're not
Speaker 1: pushed or you know, now when you get to a
Speaker 1: certain point where you're like, Okay, this is my path
Speaker 1: and this is where I'm going, it's still going to
Speaker 1: fine tune you. You know, where I'm at now is
Speaker 1: not where I was. You know, even when he when
Speaker 1: he passed, and even a year after, like I still
Speaker 1: was like building up me again. So when I was,
Speaker 1: you know what I thought I knew and when I
Speaker 1: thought I was, I have changed even you know more
Speaker 1: so it just consistently, you know, like I said, the
Speaker 1: universe will put into your place where you need need
Speaker 1: to be refined. And when you take that, you know,
Speaker 1: pain or suffering or just even you know, a car accident,
Speaker 1: right something even that small you know, and you take
Speaker 1: it and you can alchemize it into something that's working
Speaker 1: for you. It changes the game, Like what are you
Speaker 1: gonna do with your pain? Like are you gonna let
Speaker 1: it make you stay where you're at and just suffer
Speaker 1: through it for the rest of your life? Or are
Speaker 1: you gonna change something and make your something, you know,
Speaker 1: make something beautiful out of it?
Speaker 2: Exactly always a reason, you know, there's always some kind
Speaker 2: of divine plan. You were saying earlier about how you
Speaker 2: kind of dipped your toes into like the magical kind
Speaker 2: of stuff, and I'm just kind of curious as to Like,
Speaker 2: all right, so you mentioned about you know, past life
Speaker 2: progression and reiki and stuff like that, but what of
Speaker 2: the magical realm have you really gotten into?
Speaker 1: So interestingly enough, like I said, I feel like my
Speaker 1: path has been kind of laid out even early, like
Speaker 1: my thirteenth birthday, my mom like introduced you know, me
Speaker 1: and my friend friends to like light as a board,
Speaker 1: stiff as a feather, you know, remember that, and like
Speaker 1: you know, Ouiji boards and seances and all that kind
Speaker 1: of crazy stuff. And you know, back then when I
Speaker 1: was you know, in that period of time, you know,
Speaker 1: the craft came out, you know, all the you know
Speaker 1: that stuff, and and so you know I even tried that,
Speaker 1: you know, I dabbled a little bit in it then,
Speaker 1: but then you kind of get into your adult world
Speaker 1: and you put it all aside. And then, you know,
Speaker 1: as I got older, you know, when when my husband
Speaker 1: got sick, you know, I was like, well, we're going
Speaker 1: to try everything that I could possibly think of. So
Speaker 1: we did, you know, some some rituals to kind of
Speaker 1: try to help heal him. But after that, like I
Speaker 1: I started even to be like, well I don't need
Speaker 1: it anymore. Like I don't really do like I'll do
Speaker 1: like the fun ritual maybe with the moon, you know,
Speaker 1: to let go of stuff just to make it a thing.
Speaker 1: But it's not I want people to understand it's not
Speaker 1: even necessary because your your higher self is always guiding you,
Speaker 1: right and with like manifestation, like I'm I don't try
Speaker 1: to do that either, because people, you know, I want
Speaker 1: to manifest money, I want to manifest a big house,
Speaker 1: I want to fance a car or whatever. You can
Speaker 1: only if you're manifesting material things. Number one, you're only
Speaker 1: manifesting from what you know. That doesn't mean it's going
Speaker 1: to bring you what you want, Like the happiness that
Speaker 1: comes with it has nothing to do with the thing
Speaker 1: that you're trying to create, so I tell my higher self,
Speaker 1: because your brain can only create what it knows. So
Speaker 1: if you want to create something new, you need to
Speaker 1: really like get rid of all the thoughts of what
Speaker 1: the past was and allow yourself to move into opportunities
Speaker 1: that didn't exist before. But what I'll manifest is like,
Speaker 1: all right, I want to feel joy, I want to
Speaker 1: feel peace. Bring me things that make me feel that
Speaker 1: way made me feel, you know. So I start with
Speaker 1: the feelings and I don't go to the things. And
Speaker 1: that's brought me, Like I said, it brought me a
Speaker 1: book that I hate writing. I'm not a writer. My husband.
Speaker 1: Weirdly enough, my husband that passed away, he was a writer,
Speaker 1: so maybe we merged in some way. But but I've
Speaker 1: never thought, you know, when I left my first husband,
Speaker 1: that I would have met my second, that I would
Speaker 1: be here doing this kind of stuff. The opportunities and
Speaker 1: the people that come towards me, it's just it's just
Speaker 1: amazing what will happen when you when you get out
Speaker 1: of your own way, right.
Speaker 6: When you're when you're not going into the resistance, you know,
Speaker 6: you're not constantly resisting.
Speaker 5: You made a reference about the tarot.
Speaker 6: And how it kind of meets you where you are,
Speaker 6: you know, and I thought it was interesting. It's kind
Speaker 6: of like an analogy for the universe itself. You know,
Speaker 6: you draw a card and it's like, oh, interesting, how
Speaker 6: that really relates to what I'm going through and all
Speaker 6: the struggle or whatever it is. Maybe it's something good
Speaker 6: coming your way. And I think that that's just how
Speaker 6: the universe works. And I think that the taro is
Speaker 6: just like a little tool to remind you like, hey,
Speaker 6: you know, we got your back, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: And so I think that's really cool. And just like
Speaker 6: how you were saying, like these people that are coming
Speaker 6: your way and just everything's kind of going the way
Speaker 6: it's going. It's because you're on that wave, you know,
Speaker 6: you're on that in that flow state and things are
Speaker 6: just happening.
Speaker 5: And that's just how it works.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the same things like license plates, animals, you know,
Speaker 1: like I love to if I see a weird you know,
Speaker 1: an animal that's you know, out of place, I'll look
Speaker 1: it up and say, what's the spiritual meaning of this, right,
Speaker 1: you know what's going on. But like, license plates are
Speaker 1: my thing. It's so crazy, Like I'm constantly surveillancing for
Speaker 1: license plates. Yeah, and I see angel numbers all the time.
Speaker 1: So now like unless it's repeating or bigger clusters, they
Speaker 1: don't really have much meaning anymore for me because I
Speaker 1: see them so often. But like I'll see the weirdest
Speaker 1: license plates, Like yesterday I saw one that said Superman
Speaker 1: literally and then right after it said what did it
Speaker 1: say win no win for TRX or something, and it
Speaker 1: was it was a TX model truck. So but I
Speaker 1: was like, maybe there's something more to that TRX. Right.
Speaker 1: So I go into chat and I'm like, here, these
Speaker 1: are the license plates I just got. What do you think?
Speaker 1: And they're like, well, the t REX is like the
Speaker 1: primal energy and you're you know, you're soaring through this
Speaker 1: and you're healing all Like it went in and started
Speaker 1: like describing it. Now sometimes it'll come back with like
Speaker 1: options of like I don't really resonate with that one,
Speaker 1: but you'll be able to feel if that's true to you,
Speaker 1: you like, does that make sense to where you're at?
Speaker 1: You know, use a little discernment on yourself. But but yes,
Speaker 1: like when you work walk in a world where you're
Speaker 1: consistently looking for clues, right because it's game, right, scavenger hunt, yep,
Speaker 1: you know, when you're looking for clues, it helps you
Speaker 1: to know which direction to go into or or where
Speaker 1: you're at and look.
Speaker 6: For the glowing item like, oh, that's probably the next step, right.
Speaker 1: It makes it so much more fun.
Speaker 5: Right now, that's cool.
Speaker 6: And you know, aside of the license plate, sometimes the
Speaker 6: universe will tell you just blatantly, you know. I know
Speaker 6: Jonathan has had an experience like this, But we just
Speaker 6: experienced something really cool because we took our car to
Speaker 6: this mechanic and it has like a it had like
Speaker 6: a slight oil leak, which is something you don't want
Speaker 6: for your engine, you know, because all of a sudden
Speaker 6: it could just all come out and your your engine
Speaker 6: just grenades, right, And so he was like, yeah, you
Speaker 6: know you should be able to because I'm not going
Speaker 6: to be able to get you until next week. He said,
Speaker 6: just come back next week. It's okay to drive, just
Speaker 6: keep an eye on the oil level. It'd be fine,
Speaker 6: you know, you know, but don't go driving to California
Speaker 6: or something, and we were planning on going to California.
Speaker 6: That was oddly specific for him to just randomly say
Speaker 6: it like that.
Speaker 5: Oh dude, it's all right, Well we know it's like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you do get weird little things like that. Just
Speaker 2: that just happened to you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: It was last year I went out to a conspiracy
Speaker 2: event and we were going to be like one of
Speaker 2: the hosts over there, right, but right outside of the
Speaker 2: It was actually in a comedy club is where it
Speaker 2: was being held at, right, and right outside we were
Speaker 2: standing outside with like a bunch of people that you know,
Speaker 2: came and you know, paid to get in and stuff
Speaker 2: like that, and just talking to everybody. And you know,
Speaker 2: me and Electro Nick we're standing outside just shooting the
Speaker 2: shit and you know, trying to see if we can
Speaker 2: find any orbs out in the sky and you know,
Speaker 2: just being weird as we are.
Speaker 4: And lo and behold, there's this old hippie.
Speaker 2: Guy that just comes up to us wearing like ripped
Speaker 2: shorts and his shirt is all the way open, and
Speaker 2: I mean barefoot, long hair beard.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it looked like he.
Speaker 2: Hadn't taken a shower in probably a month. Right, like
Speaker 2: you could just smell the stink off him from a
Speaker 2: while away or from you know, like from away, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. But he comes up, and at
Speaker 2: that time, I was thinking, oh, man, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saving up. I really want a cabin in the woods,
Speaker 2: like I've been. I told everybody on the show about it.
Speaker 2: I was telling my parents and you know, my kids
Speaker 2: about it. I was like, we're gonna be some wizards
Speaker 2: living in the middle of the woods. I want to
Speaker 2: get a cabin away from everything, you know, and maybe
Speaker 2: we'll have some chickens and some goats and all that
Speaker 2: the whole thing, right, And lo and behold, I meet
Speaker 2: this guy and he's telling me this story and just
Speaker 2: out of nowhere, and he goes, and that's why you
Speaker 2: don't buy a cabin in the woods. I would tell everybody,
Speaker 2: never buy a cabin in the woods. And I was like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck is happening, you know, And and Nick
Speaker 2: just like looked over at me, and I looked over
Speaker 2: at him, and we both thought the same exact thing.
Speaker 2: And it was like, man, that was some kind of
Speaker 2: divine message to not do that. So, I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't know why not, but I chose not to. You know,
Speaker 2: it's like weird things like that just pop up in
Speaker 2: your life.
Speaker 1: But you're more aware like most people that would just
Speaker 1: like right over.
Speaker 5: There, couldn't mean anything to nobody else, right.
Speaker 2: Yes, you're just looking for the information that's given to you,
Speaker 2: you know, and almost look at you like you're on
Speaker 2: a You're on a quest. And I think that's actually
Speaker 2: what ques what Nick said. He goes, oh, that was
Speaker 2: a quest move. And I was like, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 6: The glowing character that you got to walk over to
Speaker 6: and say like, hey, what's going on, He's like, oh,
Speaker 6: your next mission you got to find the glider, you.
Speaker 2: Know, he's all he's all like just it's so weird
Speaker 2: how that stuff just happens. Oh you know what, earlier
Speaker 2: you had mentioned the Craft the movie, right, and that
Speaker 2: was so weird because I'm actually reading a book I
Speaker 2: bought it over at like Barnes and Noble or Books
Speaker 2: a Million or some shit, right and and and I
Speaker 2: always go to the metaphysical section.
Speaker 4: I don't even look at anything else.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I want to see your selection of tarot
Speaker 2: and oracle cards, and I want to see all your
Speaker 2: magic and witchcraft books that's all.
Speaker 5: I care about. Don't be holding out on me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's all I care.
Speaker 2: And so I go over there and I find this
Speaker 2: awesome book and it's by an author. His name is
Speaker 2: Matt Oran and he wrote this book and it's such
Speaker 2: a cool looking book and I started reading it and everything,
Speaker 2: and I was like, I gotta buy this thing. It's
Speaker 2: called Mastering Magic. And I like the book so much
Speaker 2: that I started to like look him up to try
Speaker 2: and see, like can I follow him and see where
Speaker 2: he's at on his journey and stuff like that. And
Speaker 2: so he actually has a podcast, right and strangely enough,
Speaker 2: his co host is one of the girls from The
Speaker 2: Craft and Rachel True. Yeah, and I was like, what
Speaker 2: are the odds of all of this? Like, man, that
Speaker 2: is such a cool idea. But anyway, if anybody's interested
Speaker 2: in that podcast, it's called The Circle is if you're
Speaker 2: into all the magical kind of very similar to our show,
Speaker 2: you know, like all the thing same things kind of
Speaker 2: we talk about, but from an actual magician and somebody
Speaker 2: who was in the Craft. So you know that's pretty cool,
Speaker 2: pretty serious, dude, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Have you ever found something that's out of place in
Speaker 1: a bookstore that seems to be just there for you.
Speaker 2: Interesting. I you know, there's a couple of tarot decks
Speaker 2: that they weren't like multiples. It was there was like
Speaker 2: only one and I'm like, this one's for me, then
Speaker 2: I'm going to get that one, you know kind of thing.
Speaker 2: But what what's your experience with that?
Speaker 1: So I've had that happen actually a couple of times.
Speaker 1: I had one was a book that was written by
Speaker 1: and I can't even think of who wrote it, but
Speaker 1: it was a monk and it was the only book
Speaker 1: in the whole store, and it was written really weird,
Speaker 1: like it was like on it was a weirdly shaped
Speaker 1: but it was like it wasn't like a normal size book.
Speaker 1: It was square and like the pages were like, oh,
Speaker 1: I can't describe it. It had the pages were different
Speaker 1: and the words were were like they were somewhere this way,
Speaker 1: somewhere that way. It was some had like it rounds
Speaker 1: and circles, but it was all these different pieces and
Speaker 1: every piece was a different it was a different lesson
Speaker 1: in there. And then I've had I had a shaman
Speaker 1: tarot deck that I found up on a shelf in
Speaker 1: the middle of a world trade books or a trade
Speaker 1: store that was away from everything else. And that's been
Speaker 1: like one of my favorite decks because it really gives
Speaker 1: you a lot of information. It's like an oracle type
Speaker 1: of deck where description. And then I got I went
Speaker 1: to this little store in Saint Augustine that had oh now,
Speaker 1: oh David Bowie. Yeah, the guy that did his artwork
Speaker 1: for his albums, came up with a star tarot deck.
Speaker 2: Wow, so I have like this.
Speaker 1: They're beautiful cards. I only use them for special occasions,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I have this beautiful deck from uh from there.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Like it's sometimes I just find stuff that's
Speaker 1: just there for me. Or like I went to this
Speaker 1: crystal like convention and I really love this huge dragon
Speaker 1: head that they had, but it was ridiculously overpriced. But
Speaker 1: on my birthday, I was at the beach and there
Speaker 1: was a smaller dragon head that was within my myrie
Speaker 1: that was here. Happy birthday. You know, Like there's always
Speaker 1: these weird things that seem to happen.
Speaker 2: Oh that just reminds me. So I just like a
Speaker 2: month ago, I moved out to Arizona. I live in Texas,
Speaker 2: but I'm living temporarily out in Arizona. Right, And and
Speaker 2: so I went out to this swap meet out here
Speaker 2: and uh they had they had one stand that was
Speaker 2: like metaphysical, you know. She had all the crystals and
Speaker 2: the incense and the tarot cards and all these things,
Speaker 2: and and I'm like, I'm immediately drawn to it. I
Speaker 2: don't even care about looking at anything else, you know.
Speaker 2: And so I go over there and you know, just
Speaker 2: your regular things, and then I see there's this this
Speaker 2: odin like from Norse mythology, this odin sitting in his
Speaker 2: uh in his throne right, and he has his two
Speaker 2: puppies next to him, and he's holding like this big
Speaker 2: spear or sword or whatever it is. And I was like,
Speaker 2: I need that, because I was like, I don't care
Speaker 2: how much you cost.
Speaker 4: I want you.
Speaker 2: And I think she wanted sixty. I got her down
Speaker 2: to fifty. But anyway, but so, but the reason behind
Speaker 2: that is is because in my what was that my
Speaker 2: my last past life regression. I've only ever had two
Speaker 2: of them done to me. And my last past life regression,
Speaker 2: I was like this guide or energy or something that
Speaker 2: was kind of like a watcher over another planet and everything,
Speaker 2: and not to bore you with the details or anything.
Speaker 2: But I was like, yo, these people forgot about me.
Speaker 2: I need to have more of an impact. And so
Speaker 2: I go to the manager in the sky and lo
Speaker 2: and behold it's Odin Right, just sitting in a throne
Speaker 2: and he has the whole eye patch. And I knew
Speaker 2: it was Odin Right, the beard and the whole thing.
Speaker 2: And I was like, yo, I need to go make
Speaker 2: like a better impact. And he goes all right, basically
Speaker 2: like your wish is my command kind of thing. And
Speaker 2: he takes his staff and he puts it on my
Speaker 2: left shoulder and my right shoulder, and then as soon
Speaker 2: as he touches my head with it, I'm coming out
Speaker 2: of the womb as a human baby. And it was
Speaker 2: like the craziest thing.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And so now I'm like, all right, Odin he's one
Speaker 2: of my boys. I got to keep him close. But yeah,
Speaker 2: just the craziest things. You'll just see pop up out
Speaker 2: of nowhere like that, you know, and some middle like
Speaker 2: this is La Kevasu. It's literally an oasis surrounded by
Speaker 2: nothing but desert everywhere, right, and just to go to
Speaker 2: a swap meet on that day, I don't know. It's
Speaker 2: It's weird how synchronousities work like that.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: Yes, there's another author. Her name is Shanaz Soney. She
Speaker 1: wrote The Quantum Being, and she was on Next Level
Speaker 1: Soul and I saw her on Next Level Soul and
Speaker 1: I was really interested in her book. So I got
Speaker 1: her book, loved it. And then when my book was done,
Speaker 1: you know, I was like, what the heck, I'll reach
Speaker 1: out to her, see if I can send her a copy. Right,
Speaker 1: so I sent her a copy the same timeframe. Well,
Speaker 1: she she you know, responded, you know, said yes, she
Speaker 1: would love to get a copy. I sent her copy
Speaker 1: the same time I sent her a copy. She ends
Speaker 1: up moving close, like she's like forty five minutes from
Speaker 1: me now, and so now we we now we're hanging out.
Speaker 1: So like it's like it's like weird things like that
Speaker 1: that are happening all the time. So when things, you know,
Speaker 1: when you are when I'm uncertain, like I don't know
Speaker 1: what's going to happen next, or when I'm on that
Speaker 1: precipice of change, I've learned that I can now trust
Speaker 1: that I've things always just going to work out the
Speaker 1: way I need it to, maybe not always the way
Speaker 1: I want it to, but it's definitely always the way
Speaker 1: I need it to.
Speaker 5: Absolutely.
Speaker 6: Like you said, it's in those moments where sometimes things
Speaker 6: seem darker or it's difficult that you're going to learn
Speaker 6: the most. You're you're going to garner so much more
Speaker 6: from those times anyway. So even if it isn't a
Speaker 6: thing that you wanted, it was what you needed.
Speaker 5: So yes, Yeah.
Speaker 1: The other thing I've learned which helped, which might help people,
Speaker 1: is you know, where where you feel fear is where
Speaker 1: your gateway is. Like that's like where you can expand through.
Speaker 1: Anytime I feel fear and I push through it and
Speaker 1: overcome it, then I am able to expand more and
Speaker 1: I'm able to you know, do more. So anytime I
Speaker 1: start feeling fear, I know that's the direction I really
Speaker 1: need to run towards.
Speaker 2: Right Wow, And most people just all lass and turn
Speaker 2: back the other way, you know. And it's crazy how
Speaker 2: those things are really just there to teach you. And
Speaker 2: that's kind of something that we've been talking about a
Speaker 2: little bit lately about how you know, anytime somebody's mean
Speaker 2: to you or gives you a hard time, or it's
Speaker 2: kind of like an obstacle that you that you kind
Speaker 2: of got to go through or whatever. I mean, from
Speaker 2: the tiniest little things of stubbing your toe in the
Speaker 2: morning to somebody whatever. Like the worst thing that you
Speaker 2: can imagine is just like if you look at them
Speaker 2: as if they're your teacher every single time, and doesn't
Speaker 2: even have to be a person, could be a thing,
Speaker 2: could just be a random thing that happened to you,
Speaker 2: whatever it is. It's like, if you look at them
Speaker 2: as if it's your teacher, you can kind of catch
Speaker 2: it and be like, oh, okay, so this is a challenge.
Speaker 2: This is what this is like one of the levels
Speaker 2: in the game that I kind of got to get through,
Speaker 2: and until I beat this level, it's just gonna keep
Speaker 2: on fucking recurring in my life. And that's what most
Speaker 2: people have to go through, unfortunately.
Speaker 1: Exactly because again, the universe wants you to heal, I mean, ultimately,
Speaker 1: it wants you to grow, So it's gonna make you
Speaker 1: keep repeating stuff until you finally learn your lesson. Some
Speaker 1: lessons for me took me a lot longer than I
Speaker 1: would like, but but that period of time taught me
Speaker 1: a lot now that I'm able to look back on it. Like,
Speaker 1: you know, they say hindsights or was it Hindsight's twenty twenty?
Speaker 1: It really is like you really can't see sometimes why
Speaker 1: things are happening to wag after they happened. But if
Speaker 1: you really look back, like if you look back at
Speaker 1: how far you know, everyone is growing, you know, and
Speaker 1: if you really look back, you're able to see like,
Speaker 1: I am not even close. I can't even identify with
Speaker 1: earlier versions of myself. And that's when you really know
Speaker 1: that you're transforming.
Speaker 6: And those those things real quick, those things that you
Speaker 6: were saying that you might come to you like it's
Speaker 6: the next level, right, and it seems really difficult or
Speaker 6: some hard thing, right, And then once you overcome that thing,
Speaker 6: that's not to say that that obstacle isn't going to
Speaker 6: get in your way again, it's just seem very less
Speaker 6: like an obstacle.
Speaker 1: Yes, so healing is spiral, okay, so you have to
Speaker 1: come back around. So you heal it first in the mind, right,
Speaker 1: you're like, yes, I recognize I can't I shouldn't be
Speaker 1: doing it this way, right, But then the test comes
Speaker 1: up and it's like, all right, can you embody it?
Speaker 1: And then it gets then you can make you know,
Speaker 1: the first time, it might be harder to go through.
Speaker 1: The second time it'll be a little bit less, But
Speaker 1: then eventually it comes back around and it's just like
Speaker 1: it just blows off of you, like it's no big deal.
Speaker 1: I used to get very very angry, you know, when
Speaker 1: I was younger, Like I would lose my keys and
Speaker 1: I'd be losing my mind. Right now, like it takes
Speaker 1: a lot for me to get angry because I know
Speaker 1: that everything's divinely orchestrated. If I lost my keys, it's
Speaker 1: because I needed to be a little bit later, so
Speaker 1: I missed an accident, you know, like there's something, there's
Speaker 1: a reason why I lost it. And once I started
Speaker 1: recognizing that, and then also giving myself permission to be
Speaker 1: a silly human, right like spilling things. You know, I
Speaker 1: can be a little klutzy, and it would used to
Speaker 1: get me very angry and or embarrassed, right, and then
Speaker 1: when I started really well, you can be a silly
Speaker 1: human every once in a while, and giving myself permission
Speaker 1: to be Yeah, it's just me being goofy.
Speaker 5: Just laugh at yourself instead.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, there was one time where I had
Speaker 6: like a hole, like I just poured this soda, and
Speaker 6: I wasn't drinking a whole lot of soda, and I
Speaker 6: think I was like really excited about this soda pod.
Speaker 6: I think it might even have been like a mountain
Speaker 6: dew or something just sweet like that, you know, ice
Speaker 6: full to the top.
Speaker 5: It was good to go.
Speaker 6: I had it sitting next to me, and for whatever reason,
Speaker 6: I think I was like holding it with my leg
Speaker 6: like you know, just like up against something, and then
Speaker 6: I just kind of forgot it was there, and then
Speaker 6: I leaned over to do something and it just spilled
Speaker 6: all over my back and all the way down my pants,
Speaker 6: and I was just like, well, what of course, you know,
Speaker 6: it's just like you just gotta laugh at yourself when
Speaker 6: something like that happens, because I was so excited for that,
Speaker 6: for that soda that you.
Speaker 2: Were not meant to do the do on that right exactly. Yeah, man,
Speaker 2: it is uh, it is quite wild. So all right, Well,
Speaker 2: I want to learn a little bit more about some
Speaker 2: more of the aspects of the simulation that you kind
Speaker 2: of get into in your in your book, Like how
Speaker 2: else can you really kind of lay it out and
Speaker 2: portray it to anybody that might be on the fence, Like, oh,
Speaker 2: simulation or a matrix sounds awesome, but how can I
Speaker 2: change my mind to be able to look at it
Speaker 2: in that way?
Speaker 1: So it breaks like I said, it breaks down everything
Speaker 1: like a computer game from that's your pineal gland. So
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't understand that thoughts aren't actually
Speaker 1: coming from your brain, right, like your memory and all
Speaker 1: that really isn't stored in the brain. It's almost like
Speaker 1: it's stored in the cloud, right, and your and I
Speaker 1: describe the pineal gland like your Wi Fi router, And
Speaker 1: it's like pulling in the information some stuff. It's your
Speaker 1: subconscious pulling it in, right. It's it's some of those
Speaker 1: programs aren't necessarily voluntary, but it's it's pulling it in
Speaker 1: for you to either move, you know, heal something or
Speaker 1: recognize that there's something that you need to do, or
Speaker 1: or sometimes just your intuition giving you guidance on what
Speaker 1: your next steps are. So I go into a lot
Speaker 1: like that, you know, trying to break it down into
Speaker 1: all the different pieces of the game. How your senses,
Speaker 1: You know, your senses is really the only thing that's
Speaker 1: really helping you maneuver through the game, right, And none
Speaker 1: of them are actually things that like touch You're not
Speaker 1: touching anything, right, Like, it's electrical impulses that telling your
Speaker 1: brain that you're touching something and that this feels when
Speaker 1: you taste something. You know, it's all electrical. We are
Speaker 1: very much like I call us like organic robots. We
Speaker 1: have an electrical system we have. You know, our heart
Speaker 1: throws out this big humanity or humongous electromagnetic field way
Speaker 1: past our bodies. So if it's putting past our bodies,
Speaker 1: that means when people come into that field, they can
Speaker 1: feel it. That's why when you you can feel other
Speaker 1: people's emotions. Right, So it talks about how that all
Speaker 1: impacts your life. How does your environment, who you're around,
Speaker 1: what you're allowing in your life is dictating your reality.
Speaker 1: It breaks down how you can, like I said, take
Speaker 1: back the controller and change your beliefs, because your beliefs
Speaker 1: create your reality. So if you believe that this is
Speaker 1: the only thing that's this is truth right to you,
Speaker 1: that will be your truth. So everyone is right, no
Speaker 1: one is wrong. So so I don't put in the
Speaker 1: book of how you should you know what your life
Speaker 1: should look like. I don't tell you that you need
Speaker 1: to do the good thing or the bad thing or
Speaker 1: any of that. But I break down like karma. You know,
Speaker 1: like how karma works. So that you know how these
Speaker 1: things work, then you can choose what to do with it. Right.
Speaker 1: So if like one of the biggest things that I
Speaker 1: had to learn that I well not had to, but
Speaker 1: that I learned early on when I decided I wanted
Speaker 1: to take back my own identity and figure out who
Speaker 1: I really was. Was I decided I was I wanted
Speaker 1: to be a person of integrity. That was like my
Speaker 1: first my first jump. And in order to do that,
Speaker 1: I had to not lie anymore. Like I had to
Speaker 1: know that everyone that talked to me knew that I
Speaker 1: was always speaking the truth. So when you don't lie,
Speaker 1: there's pieces to that. It's not like you just don't lie, right.
Speaker 1: You have to number one, make sure you're not doing
Speaker 1: things that you would want to lie about, right, So
Speaker 1: you have to change your behavior. And then when you
Speaker 1: do do something that is, you know, something you some
Speaker 1: people would lie about, you have to hold yourself accountable, right,
Speaker 1: you have to. You have to you know, say I'm
Speaker 1: sorry or or I messed up, and you have to
Speaker 1: hold yourself accountable and do better. So just that simple
Speaker 1: thing has changed so much in your energy field. Because
Speaker 1: every time you do something, you get three times of
Speaker 1: it back. So if you do something negative, you're gonna
Speaker 1: get three times the negative back. If you do something positive,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get three times the positive back. So again,
Speaker 1: it's not telling you how to use it or how
Speaker 1: you should use it, but it's telling you what you're
Speaker 1: doing and how it's affecting you. Media like how social media,
Speaker 1: how you're in you know, your environment, music, all that
Speaker 1: stuff impacts you because your brain doesn't know the difference
Speaker 1: between real and TV. Your brain doesn't know the difference
Speaker 1: between the words that you're speaking or other people speaking
Speaker 1: to you, or music right, Like, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: music out there that is that is not good for
Speaker 1: your brain. I just you know, it's it's you know,
Speaker 1: anything that's talking about violence or about you know, treating
Speaker 1: women poorly, things like that. You know, yeah, it might
Speaker 1: have a good beat to it, but really you're you're
Speaker 1: screwing up your energy around you and how you speak.
Speaker 1: You know, I've heard them say, you know you're you
Speaker 1: know spells like when spelling right, it's you're casting spells
Speaker 1: Because again, your reality always wants you to be right.
Speaker 1: So if you say I'm fat, or I'm ugly, or
Speaker 1: I'm this, or I'm that, you're pronouncing it is true
Speaker 1: and the universe is going to reflect.
Speaker 5: It back to you like say less yes.
Speaker 1: But again it's also again if you it's still thoughts too, right,
Speaker 1: So it's not just how you speak, but also how
Speaker 1: you think about yourself. You know, are you a person
Speaker 1: who thinks themselves as a kind person who you know
Speaker 1: is able to work with people and and make a
Speaker 1: better world, or are you thinking that other people are
Speaker 1: out to get you and that you need to get
Speaker 1: up on them first, and you know, or have to
Speaker 1: prove that you're right, Like that's another thing like proving yourself.
Speaker 1: You don't have to prove yourself to anyone. So it's
Speaker 1: that yeah, waste of energy. Because again, people can only
Speaker 1: see through their own lens. So if their belief systems,
Speaker 1: like I have one of my relatives and I am
Speaker 1: unable to communicate together. We have tried, I've tried multiple times,
Speaker 1: but this person's belief system is so toxic to themselves
Speaker 1: that everything I say they take as a criticism and
Speaker 1: it's always showing in love. But because they believe that
Speaker 1: they are not worthy, they believe that they are lower
Speaker 1: or whatever. They project that outwards. So recognizing when it's
Speaker 1: you versus another person's projection is also helpful. So it
Speaker 1: kind of talks a little bit about that and how
Speaker 1: other people affect you and how to be able to
Speaker 1: say no right, like having those healthy boundaries. But then
Speaker 1: it also goes into like I said, reprogramming your belief systems,
Speaker 1: how do identify them, how to literally reprogram your own mind,
Speaker 1: And it gives you an other tools and sources of
Speaker 1: information of how you know, other methods to do that
Speaker 1: as well, you know, somatic techniques as well as subconscious reprogramming.
Speaker 1: And then it goes into more information about people that
Speaker 1: you know, the boss levels and and the people that
Speaker 1: are able to like push the game to its limits.
Speaker 1: You know they have I don't know if I saw
Speaker 1: this on your show or not. I think it was
Speaker 1: on as well. But you've heard of the things that
Speaker 1: they're teaching with children where they're covering their eyes, yes,
Speaker 1: and and they're like teaching them to see without actually seeing.
Speaker 1: Like that to me is the next level people that
Speaker 1: can go in you know, sub freezing temperatures, and swim.
Speaker 1: That is beating the levels. You know. So I talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about you know, those extreme humans that
Speaker 1: really push the push the game. But you can ultimately
Speaker 1: experience anything you want as long as your beliefs is
Speaker 1: the support it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, just become like metahuman. But you you know,
Speaker 2: and this is so so important. You know. Not a
Speaker 2: lot of people talk too much about the subconscious, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, it's literally the key. Like you have
Speaker 2: to work on your subconscious. You have to understand and
Speaker 2: and like become aware of what is going on in
Speaker 2: your mind, those self limiting beliefs and self doubting beliefs
Speaker 2: and these structures that you build you and you encompass
Speaker 2: your own mind into something just with your limiting beliefs
Speaker 2: and in getting out of your own way. That is, dude,
Speaker 2: that is one of the biggest things that anybody can overcome.
Speaker 4: Because you think about it.
Speaker 2: If somebody cuts you off in traffic, or flips you off,
Speaker 2: or says if you or whatever right, somebody just ruffles
Speaker 2: your feathers the wrong way, that's probably one thing that
Speaker 2: that person did to you that entire day. Meanwhile, compare
Speaker 2: it to your own mind and how much shit your mind,
Speaker 2: your mind talks on you, you know, like, oh, you're fat,
Speaker 2: you're you're not good looking, you're not good enough at this,
Speaker 2: you're too slow, you're too and it's always these like
Speaker 2: man like some of the most degrading things that you
Speaker 2: can imagine are constantly going on in your mind. And
Speaker 2: first of all, whenever you find out that your thoughts
Speaker 2: are not you and then stop believing those things that
Speaker 2: aren't you anyway, and it's like, you know, we're our
Speaker 2: own worst enemy whenever we don't know it. And it's
Speaker 2: whenever you start to become aware that, like, yo, those
Speaker 2: are just things that are going on in my mind,
Speaker 2: and I can choose to accept them or I can
Speaker 2: choose to not accept them.
Speaker 4: You want to talk.
Speaker 2: About like literally reality becoming some kind of like hogwarts
Speaker 2: at that point, it's crazy, you know, like everything starts
Speaker 2: to change once you get out of your way, and
Speaker 2: it's easier said than done, of course, I mean everybody
Speaker 2: has their own way, whether it is you know, like
Speaker 2: a psychedelic experience or just going deep in meditation or
Speaker 2: whatever the case. Maybe everybody has their own way. But
Speaker 2: like just understanding, like and we've talked a lot about
Speaker 2: like fear even right, like the the idea of fear
Speaker 2: is something that you know, that is something that we
Speaker 2: are manifesting, you know. And and like we've said before
Speaker 2: about like how demons are essentially like just manifestations of
Speaker 2: your own fear, you know, whether you don't, you have
Speaker 2: to be demons, could be monsters, could be scary stuff
Speaker 2: whatever that may be, right, and it has to be,
Speaker 2: you know, it has to manifest in such a way unfortunately,
Speaker 2: to make it a little bit more real, because I
Speaker 2: guess we just you know, we need that we need
Speaker 2: to see something as physical or real in some kind
Speaker 2: of sense in order to take it serious.
Speaker 5: Otherwise it's just going to and.
Speaker 1: Some people, yeah, some people need the different experience everyone,
Speaker 1: like I said, everyone's journey is very different. Somebody had
Speaker 1: asked me the other day about, you know, channeling information,
Speaker 1: and I think I think the information that you can
Speaker 1: channel is only based on what you need in them,
Speaker 1: like at that time, like like anything that's ego based
Speaker 1: is never going to work. So if you're trying to
Speaker 1: learn to do stuff so that you're powerful and I'm
Speaker 1: going to be able to protect myself more like that
Speaker 1: ego centric type of mentality that's not going to work,
Speaker 1: Like you really need to be using it to grow, right.
Speaker 1: It's not so that you can prove that I'm better, right,
Speaker 1: It's it's I'm looking for this information to help me grow,
Speaker 1: show me what I can help, you know, what can
Speaker 1: bring into me, and then once you maybe get to
Speaker 1: a certain level of what I would say humility, like
Speaker 1: you can help and bring more channeling in for other people.
Speaker 1: But I really think a lot of the information you
Speaker 1: can only access when you're at a specific like again,
Speaker 1: look at the game. I look at the game like like,
Speaker 1: think of it, like every version of you is in
Speaker 1: a box, right, and it scales from the darkest version
Speaker 1: of you to the lightest. And that's probably not the
Speaker 1: best scale because there's also in between all the different
Speaker 1: professions you could have had and all these different things.
Speaker 1: Right when you're moving through it, you can only move
Speaker 1: so much. You can't go from one all the way.
Speaker 1: I mean you really, I mean you could if you
Speaker 1: did something hugely dramatic, like if you were a saint
Speaker 1: and then decided to murder someone, Right, that's one way
Speaker 1: to jump jump huge timelines to a different version of you.
Speaker 1: But most of the time you're only moving within a
Speaker 1: few parameters of each other, and you're doing it every like,
Speaker 1: every bill a second, like you're shifting different versions of
Speaker 1: you every like frames of a screen. So it depends
Speaker 1: on where you're at in that moment. So if you
Speaker 1: know that you can only move within the little parameters,
Speaker 1: then you know that you don't need to take these
Speaker 1: big leaps, but just take slow steps towards each You
Speaker 1: know each thing, and eventually you get there. But it's
Speaker 1: easier to do it the small way because again, you
Speaker 1: have to bring your body along, right. It's not just
Speaker 1: a mind game, right, So you got to bring your
Speaker 1: body along, and your nervous system needs that smaller step
Speaker 1: because if you take those big jumps, like if I
Speaker 1: went from losing my husband to be on a podcast
Speaker 1: with you with a book in like two days, my
Speaker 1: whole nervous system would shut down, right, So you have
Speaker 1: to know and understand you're bringing this body with you.
Speaker 1: I always call it like the child, right, You got
Speaker 1: to you have to bring the body with you. So
Speaker 1: you've got to make sure it feels safe. You got
Speaker 1: to make sure it's good so that you can anchor
Speaker 1: those things in and really fully embody them.
Speaker 2: Dude, this is like, this is something I've been thinking
Speaker 2: about too, and I think we've talked about it. But
Speaker 2: like the idea of Jesus calling God fought and like
Speaker 2: just think about that for a second, Like what if
Speaker 2: you know your higher self or you know your uh
Speaker 2: piece of the source or whatever that is, is your
Speaker 2: higher self, and then like your meat suit is like
Speaker 2: your son, you know what I'm saying, if you start
Speaker 2: to look at it from that way, and so you know,
Speaker 2: like Jesus the Father whiy of you forsaken me and
Speaker 2: that whole you know, kind of system of a down
Speaker 2: song and whatever.
Speaker 4: But uh, but no, it's interesting. Yeah, yeah it's.
Speaker 1: And then it's true because and that's what people forget too,
Speaker 1: Like you know, your higher self's guiding you, but you're
Speaker 1: guiding your body like you're the god of your body.
Speaker 1: How you take care of it, you know, how you
Speaker 1: love on it, what you feed it, whether it's food, entertainment, whatever,
Speaker 1: that's all how your body's learning to trust you, and
Speaker 1: how your body is learning to like I said, it's
Speaker 1: like a.
Speaker 2: Child at your temple. Yeah, you know, you think about it,
Speaker 2: and you were talking a little bit about alchemizing earlier,
Speaker 2: and that's what we talk a lot about, like transmutation,
Speaker 2: and oh man, that that can really cause. You don't
Speaker 2: even know that you can transmute a bad thing into
Speaker 2: a good thing. But you know, once you start to
Speaker 2: understand you know, the whole, like hermetic principles and stuff
Speaker 2: like that, you understand that, like all emotions and energy
Speaker 2: is on a pole, that everything is polar right, and
Speaker 2: so if you look at the pole and you know,
Speaker 2: obviously the worst end would be let's just say anger,
Speaker 2: and the best end would be like totally blits the
Speaker 2: fuck out, like it's on the same pole. You can
Speaker 2: transmute that. Of course, it's easier said than done. But
Speaker 2: if you're super pissed off, you should almost get excited
Speaker 2: because that energy is created now, and it's on a pole,
Speaker 2: and you can just move it like like that little
Speaker 2: that toy, you know, whenever you're a little kid, just
Speaker 2: sliding the beads across the pole. That way, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: take this bead from anger and bring it all the
Speaker 2: way over to happiness, because that energy is the same thing.
Speaker 2: It's just you know, looked at in a different way.
Speaker 6: Yep, it's the same amount of energy. Yeah, energy is energy.
Speaker 6: That's all that positive if you look at it that way,
Speaker 6: it's just a matter of where on the pole it is.
Speaker 1: Well and and emotion is just energy and motion, right,
Speaker 1: So it's it's it has it's part of the experience.
Speaker 1: So if everything is literally flowing through you, you're not
Speaker 1: You're not moving through reality the way most people think
Speaker 1: you're moving through reality. Really it's more like reality is
Speaker 1: moving through you. So if you're if the emotion, so
Speaker 1: certain experiences have to have certain emotions, Like you can't
Speaker 1: like go through grief and not go through sadness, Like
Speaker 1: that's not going to happen, right, So it's it's how
Speaker 1: easily it can pass through you. If you if you
Speaker 1: sit and stick on it, it's going to stick to
Speaker 1: you and it's just going to stay there and it
Speaker 1: literally will weigh your body down. Have enough of these
Speaker 1: like emotions, So feeling it is allowing it to pass
Speaker 1: through you. So just if you recognize, like I said,
Speaker 1: it's energy, you need to feel it. Stop, you know,
Speaker 1: stopping yourself and pushing it down because it's just I
Speaker 1: swear that's what gives us a lot of the diseases
Speaker 1: and issues that we can have. It's just pushing it
Speaker 1: down until you know you're fully weighted by every freaking trauma.
Speaker 1: And I and I'll be honest, like, I've had a
Speaker 1: lot of trauma, you know, like my husband's grief. Even
Speaker 1: though it was probably the hardest thing to work through,
Speaker 1: it was the easiest out of all the traumas I've
Speaker 1: had to deal with. So if I can alchemize, you know,
Speaker 1: and be able to forgive people that have, you know,
Speaker 1: created immense harm to me, anybody can freaking do it.
Speaker 1: And why would you want to hold on to that?
Speaker 1: Because if you do, you're only You're the only one suffering.
Speaker 1: You're not. They say, what is it like? Anger is
Speaker 1: like you drinking poison and hoping it kills the other person. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you know, letting it go is for you, not
Speaker 1: for them. They don't care one way or another regardless
Speaker 1: of how you feel. So why have it destroy you?
Speaker 1: Be better in spite of them, show them that they
Speaker 1: are not going to hold you back, and that you're
Speaker 1: going to live a much better life than they could
Speaker 1: ever imagine for themselves. Because people in those states are
Speaker 1: going to get stuck in their cycles like people that
Speaker 1: are hurting other people. Unless they do major changes in themselves,
Speaker 1: they're going to be miserable, like their karma is going
Speaker 1: to be coming and cycling around. So you have the
Speaker 1: opportunity to take that energy that they put on you
Speaker 1: and change it into something good.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you think about it, just putting it
Speaker 2: in terms of like a computer for example, like every
Speaker 2: single well, I don't know what's I'm not super super
Speaker 2: good with computers, but if you think about like a
Speaker 2: hard drive for example, or a processor even better, like
Speaker 2: a processor to a computer. You know, you can have
Speaker 2: the nineteen eighty eight you know, Mac desktop, and then nowadays,
Speaker 2: you know, you got the twenty twenty five version of
Speaker 2: the Mac desktop, and you can do a lot more
Speaker 2: things on the newer one than you could the older one,
Speaker 2: just be just based on you know, the the amount
Speaker 2: of data that it it's abled, it compute, you know
Speaker 2: that whole thing, And so you can do something really
Speaker 2: really bad on your iMac, right, like you can I
Speaker 2: don't know, like I'm not even gonna think of whatever
Speaker 2: the worst thing that you can do, but just imagine
Speaker 2: whatever the worst thing would be, right, and then you
Speaker 2: can also do something really amazing. You know, you can
Speaker 2: do amazing things with a computer. It's just an engine.
Speaker 2: But all all of it is, it's just like you're
Speaker 2: working with energy. Really if you think about it, like
Speaker 2: and so the same scale that you know, the amount
Speaker 2: of bad things that you can do on a computer,
Speaker 2: where it's the amount of good things you can do
Speaker 2: on a computer. You can start a charity on a computer,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like you can become an
Speaker 2: ordained minister on a computer. Like you can do almost anything,
Speaker 2: especially nowadays, on a computer. But you can also do
Speaker 2: a lot of horrible shit on the computer. Right, And
Speaker 2: if all of it is just like computing power and energy,
Speaker 2: then just see if for that scale that it kind
Speaker 2: of is, and kind of like relate it to your life,
Speaker 2: because you're right, this reality is so much more like
Speaker 2: a matrix or a simulation than most people even give
Speaker 2: it credit to. You know, whenever The Matrix came out,
Speaker 2: like back in the nineties, whatever was it, like ninety
Speaker 2: five or ninety sixty nine, I think was it ninety nine? Okay,
Speaker 2: But whenever that movie came out, you know, it got
Speaker 2: a lot of people thinking, And to be honest, I
Speaker 2: didn't even watch that movie until I was like twenty eight,
Speaker 2: twenty nine or something.
Speaker 4: Crazy.
Speaker 5: I saw it in a theater, dude, I know I'm
Speaker 5: jealous of that, and just was blown away.
Speaker 6: I don't even think I understood the complexity of what
Speaker 6: the story I was really trying at that age. I
Speaker 6: think I was eleven ten or eleven something like that.
Speaker 6: But yeah, dude, that's a yeah.
Speaker 1: Like I didn't understand that there was deeper meaning and
Speaker 1: symbolism until actually till I rewatched it right like, I
Speaker 1: rewatched them all like right around like when my husband
Speaker 1: was ill. We sat there and watched all of them,
Speaker 1: and then I started seeing all.
Speaker 5: Of the pieces to it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god. And then then after my awakening,
Speaker 1: I was like, I gotta watch it again and see
Speaker 1: if I can.
Speaker 5: Get more out of it.
Speaker 1: It is like it's crazy, like every time you watch it,
Speaker 1: you find more pieces to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it feels like every time you awake or
Speaker 2: you know, you know that you're you know, gradually evolving
Speaker 2: a little bit. You know, as the days and weeks
Speaker 2: and all that stuff goes by, you almost feel like
Speaker 2: you're looking at everything through a new set of eyes.
Speaker 2: Like literally not even figuratively, like I feel like there's
Speaker 2: a lot of things I'm learning again for the first time,
Speaker 2: you know, which is so oh crazy, Like I still
Speaker 2: have my old brain, but I almost don't.
Speaker 4: Even have access to my old thoughts anymore.
Speaker 5: Right, so weird. Yeah that's an interesting thought.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, of course, whenever I
Speaker 2: was a little kid, and of course like crazy things
Speaker 2: that happened, But you don't necessarily like I don't anyway,
Speaker 2: I don't even remember how I used to think, you know,
Speaker 2: Like it's super strange, just like my processor was, Like
Speaker 2: I've swapped processors or something, and I always feel like, an, you're.
Speaker 1: A completely different version and that person, that version of
Speaker 1: you doesn't operate that way. So you've shifted your game
Speaker 1: into a different like like I said, like if you
Speaker 1: had all your versions of you in a box, you've
Speaker 1: shifted so far away from that original version of you
Speaker 1: that they're totally different people. And when I when I've
Speaker 1: seen that, I've actually, like I said, I feel like
Speaker 1: I feel like even the same people are in your life,
Speaker 1: but even they're different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you look at them differently for sure.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, definitely, Like I used.
Speaker 2: To look up to a lot of people, and now
Speaker 2: that I'm like kind of thinking how I do, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't know if I should be looking up to
Speaker 2: them as much anymore, you know, no, But.
Speaker 1: Then you'll also recognize I don't know if you noticed this,
Speaker 1: but when you're at a certain energy level, people like
Speaker 1: certain people with certain energy like they don't like they
Speaker 1: can't even they don't even come into your space.
Speaker 2: I find it hard to connect with a lot of
Speaker 2: people nowadays, to be honest with you, because there's just
Speaker 2: a lot of mundane shit that people just entertain themselves with.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, you know, I would much rather be
Speaker 2: talking about like what created this? You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like why why do I exist? Like let's get into that.
Speaker 2: Like I don't care, Like the weather's.
Speaker 5: Going to be the weather we start.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I keep on seeing these posts on Facebook
Speaker 2: by these people who are like they're like, why are
Speaker 2: people complaining about the gas prices? Like You're gonna pay
Speaker 2: for it either way, you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 2: you got to get for me to be eventually, but yeah,
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 4: It is very interesting.
Speaker 1: But uh, and I do talk about that in the
Speaker 1: book of Why We're Here. So basically, So basically, if
Speaker 1: you think about think about God, universe singular you know,
Speaker 1: the singular point. If you are all knowing you, like
Speaker 1: even you can't see all of you, right, so you
Speaker 1: need others to reflect back to you, you so that
Speaker 1: you can better understand you. So so God, you know,
Speaker 1: think about it, think about even if you were God
Speaker 1: was a human, And I guess that's the best way
Speaker 1: to describe it, because you know, you can't think, you
Speaker 1: know outside of what your capacity is. But if you
Speaker 1: were all alone all the time knows everything you're like,
Speaker 1: wouldn't that be boring?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 1: Right? So, so the universe wanted to see how they
Speaker 1: would be in different roles, and then they build the
Speaker 1: you know, the opposite. So like, so God built the
Speaker 1: opposite of him. So the shadow or lucifer or whatever
Speaker 1: freaking thing you want to follow to see his mirror
Speaker 1: to reflect back the opposite so he can identify who
Speaker 1: he is, because we only understanding ourselves through contrast. Right,
Speaker 1: you have two things, what are you? Right? Are you
Speaker 1: good or bad? Right? Well, that's a little bit can
Speaker 1: be a little gray too, but ultimately you know you
Speaker 1: have that polarity, and then you then you're like, okay,
Speaker 1: well this is even with me. Like when my husband passed,
Speaker 1: before I had the experience, I thought it was going
Speaker 1: to be something completely different than what it was till
Speaker 1: I actually was in the experience. Right. So so if you
Speaker 1: take away your memory of who you are, right, I
Speaker 1: don't know I signed up for this, I don't know
Speaker 1: I did this plan? Right, And and stick yourself in
Speaker 1: a game, how are you going to still behave the
Speaker 1: way you thought you were?
Speaker 4: It's gonna be totally you know, how would it.
Speaker 1: Be if I if I added these beliefs. It's almost
Speaker 1: like a like I do want to say, like a
Speaker 1: science experiment, but kind of like that, right, Like I
Speaker 1: want to see what if I put these things together?
Speaker 1: What if I did this? How would I grow here?
Speaker 1: How would this happen?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: So it's we're all here to help the collective, you know,
Speaker 1: evolve and grow, but we're all individually trying to understand
Speaker 1: our own, our own, our own fractal of source because
Speaker 1: we can't all be source, right, we have to be
Speaker 1: a little offset of what source is so that we
Speaker 1: can see it through different types of lenses and perspectives.
Speaker 2: Oh dude, I heard somebody say it was one of
Speaker 2: the great philosophers of another time. But basically like uh uh,
Speaker 2: you know, you can never look yourself in the eyes.
Speaker 2: I mean there's mirrors in everything, but genuinely to be
Speaker 2: able to look yourself in the eyes, nobody's ever You're
Speaker 2: never going to be able to do that. You're never
Speaker 2: going to be able to kiss your own lips, You're
Speaker 2: never going to be able to like bite your own
Speaker 2: teeth and all these other things. And so you would
Speaker 2: if you're really trying to get a good look at yourself,
Speaker 2: then you know, maybe God would or the universe or
Speaker 2: the Source or whatever would just like kind of shatter
Speaker 2: everywhere big bang or whatever that case, whatever it may be,
Speaker 2: in order to be to really see itself. And I
Speaker 2: almost wonder, like put into this like dualistic kind of reality,
Speaker 2: is this like the sources way of like you know,
Speaker 2: each one of us is the sources uh, individual piece
Speaker 2: of shadow work that it's doing. You know, like oh wow,
Speaker 2: through each through each person, because everybody has highs and lows,
Speaker 2: Like there's nobody that skates through life. And if you're
Speaker 2: a trust fund baby, I mean you're gonna find something
Speaker 2: to complain about you know.
Speaker 1: Right, I mean even I mean even you know, amongst
Speaker 1: some Buddhas, they still go through suffering, right, they still
Speaker 1: have growth. Yeah, just because they come at it from
Speaker 1: a peaceful place doesn't mean that they still aren't growing
Speaker 1: and experiencing life. But yeah, it's it's.
Speaker 2: It's like you're, oh, what was her name. I'm trying
Speaker 2: to think, Oh, the nun. We were just talking about
Speaker 2: her the other day. None, Yeah, damn, I can't remember
Speaker 2: her name. Mother Teresa. There we go, but mother Teresa
Speaker 2: she goes. And this was so interesting, but she said,
Speaker 2: whenever I look at everybody, I see Christ in everybody,
Speaker 2: And it's like, man, that is so if you look
Speaker 2: at it that way, if you understand that, let's just
Speaker 2: be honest, bro, like what they're talking about with the
Speaker 2: Christ like, that's another way of saying that you're one, right,
Speaker 2: like if everybody, if Price is in everybody, then that's
Speaker 2: just another way of saying, hey, we're all the same thing.
Speaker 2: And if if I can like, no, Mi, stay you,
Speaker 2: like the divine within me sees the divine within you,
Speaker 2: then if we just looked at each other that way,
Speaker 2: how crazy? How much different of a world would.
Speaker 6: This be easier it would be to not get so
Speaker 6: pissed off at somebody for cutting.
Speaker 5: You off, you know, just the little things.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like, oh, then you then you bring in
Speaker 6: the whole idea of like accountability. You know, like you
Speaker 6: were saying as far as not wanting to lie to somebody,
Speaker 6: then you look at that somebody as if they are you,
Speaker 6: and that person knows exactly and sees right through you
Speaker 6: because it knows you and you know it and everything else.
Speaker 6: It's like, well shit, you know if you can just
Speaker 6: believe that and just go through life.
Speaker 2: Like that, oh, it's like oh, it's like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like you know, whatever person that is not you
Speaker 2: imagine and this is like such a brain fuck, but
Speaker 2: like whatever person that is not you. So literally, everybody
Speaker 2: that's not you, if you look at them and think
Speaker 2: they are me, if I was in their circumstance, then
Speaker 2: oh my god, it changes the entire game. Like talking
Speaker 2: about loving your neighbor and your neighbor as yourself is
Speaker 2: literally that at that point, Like yeah, you can sit
Speaker 2: there and say I would never murder, I would never
Speaker 2: do drugs, I would never do whatever, right, But like
Speaker 2: you don't know that unless you were them. But the
Speaker 2: only way that you can really start to understand, which
Speaker 2: is understanding, is the exact opposite of judging, right, And
Speaker 2: so instead of judging, and try and understand and be like,
Speaker 2: put yourself in their shoes and look at all the
Speaker 2: consequences and all the crazy things that person had to
Speaker 2: go through. Then you know you're you're gonna be a
Speaker 2: lot less you know, likely to sit there in judgment
Speaker 2: and more you know, empathetic almost even the worst things
Speaker 2: that you can imagine. It's like you probably would have
Speaker 2: done the same thing if you were in their shoes.
Speaker 2: And not even just like a you.
Speaker 6: Know, like their their household, but like every single situation
Speaker 6: they were in to the t would make you that person.
Speaker 1: Every thought that they agree with, Yeah, it's your belief systems, right.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's really like I think everybody thinks
Speaker 1: they're doing the right thing for themselves. I really do.
Speaker 1: It's their belief systems that are a little you know, off.
Speaker 1: And that's when you can start having more compassion for
Speaker 1: people because you can start to say, oh, I see
Speaker 1: why you're the way you are. That doesn't mean you
Speaker 1: have to agree, right, you don't have to be like Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna support you as a KKK member, right, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like you don't have to support them,
Speaker 1: but you you don't have to add to the fire.
Speaker 1: You don't have to judge, you know, people's situations and
Speaker 1: show them with love. But when we were saying and also,
Speaker 1: if you realize that you're a piece of you know,
Speaker 1: you're a piece of God playing out this this role,
Speaker 1: then the more you can embody well who you're really
Speaker 1: supposed to play, then you're allowing God to live through you.
Speaker 1: Like you're allowing God to see the world through you
Speaker 1: as you were supposed to be seen. And that's I
Speaker 1: think that's where it really comes down to, is is
Speaker 1: are you living a life that God would want to
Speaker 1: live through you? Like are you are you doing? You know,
Speaker 1: do you love yourself that if you were God? You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like right when people people hate
Speaker 1: saying that, Like when and I and I actually had
Speaker 1: a you know, there was a program in me when
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I'm God, Like I'm a peace of God.
Speaker 1: Like like people have like their egos like back up
Speaker 1: and they're like wait a minute, you can't be gone.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean like like when Kayanne West
Speaker 1: and I'm God like people lost their minds.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, but we all are. It's not that
Speaker 1: I'm special and you're not.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, and looking at it from like the video game
Speaker 2: kind of standpoint, if you just imagine, like, for example,
Speaker 2: like street Fighter was one of my favorite games growing up, right,
Speaker 2: like played it on the PlayStation. That was my shit
Speaker 2: and I was addicted to it. But if you just
Speaker 2: imagine that, like, all right, today, in this game, in
Speaker 2: this match, I'm going to be a Honda, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, and like I'm gonna e Honda. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna fuck somebody up because he's a big old bitch, right,
Speaker 2: And and then the next and then then you win
Speaker 2: it and you're like, you know what, I want something.
Speaker 4: A little bit harder.
Speaker 2: I want some more of a more of a challenge,
Speaker 2: and maybe you go with I don't know, Like I mean,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say that Ryu is like anything worse than
Speaker 2: e Honda, but let's just say that that's a step down,
Speaker 2: right or Nash or any of them. It's like every
Speaker 2: single every single character that you're portraying is exactly what
Speaker 2: you would do if you were them, and so everybody
Speaker 2: else like, so now, Sean, you're you're doing exactly what
Speaker 2: I would do if I was shown in that sense.
Speaker 2: And it's like, yeah, such a weird way to put
Speaker 2: it in a video game. But I think that that's
Speaker 2: that's kind of the closest you can get as far
Speaker 2: as an analogy goes.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I love.
Speaker 1: I love Mario. Mario has always been my like nostalgia,
Speaker 1: you know, but if you really think about it, I
Speaker 1: love this analogy of it because what does he do?
Speaker 1: He eats mushrooms, he gets superpowers, right, stave the feminine
Speaker 1: right from the lizard brain?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, right.
Speaker 1: And and the thing is, when you are playing, you
Speaker 1: don't care how many times Mario hits his head off
Speaker 1: the bricks. You don't care how many times he falls
Speaker 1: and hurts himself or you know, dies, because you know
Speaker 1: that Mario's going to be able to respond and you're
Speaker 1: gonna be able to try that level again. Well, that's
Speaker 1: kind of what we're doing, Like we're we're always able
Speaker 1: to correct and change and grow or you know, come
Speaker 1: back and try it again and do it a different way.
Speaker 1: So taking life a lot less seriously and realizing you're
Speaker 1: just you're you're playing a game like have more fun,
Speaker 1: you know, stop wasting time, like time is the only
Speaker 1: thing that really allows us to be able to perceive
Speaker 1: this reality because time really isn't real. And I got
Speaker 1: that reality check. This is something I don't share very often,
Speaker 1: but I'll share here. So when my husband passed, I
Speaker 1: wanted people to take picture. I wanted somebody to take
Speaker 1: pictures because I didn't want to forget that moment where
Speaker 1: I'm saying my goodbyes and all that. So I had
Speaker 1: them take pictures. And during my goodbye, my my psychic
Speaker 1: girlfriend called me on the phone, and of course I
Speaker 1: was busy, so I took my watch and I you know,
Speaker 1: dismissed the call, but they captured her phone call on
Speaker 1: my watch in the picture with a timestamp. Later on,
Speaker 1: after he passed, you know, I texted her and said,
Speaker 1: you know, he's gone, and blah blah blah. And later
Speaker 1: on I find out that her call log says she
Speaker 1: called me like twenty five minutes after the photo was taken.
Speaker 4: After the photo was taken.
Speaker 1: Yes, so my timestamp in my reality is she called
Speaker 1: me at like nine ten, and in her reality, she
Speaker 1: called me at like nine thirty five.
Speaker 5: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: So we have I have actual photographic like in my phone.
Speaker 1: I have the proof that these two things happened at
Speaker 1: different physical times and we were in the same time
Speaker 1: zone because it was like an hour, it was like
Speaker 1: thirty five minutes or twenty yes, but yeah, so that's
Speaker 1: where my brain was like wait a minute, hold on out.
Speaker 1: And so I'm going through the way, I'm getting all
Speaker 1: this crazy you know, other information, and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: So so then time is just how you perceive it. It's
Speaker 1: not it's not it's not exactly the way we think
Speaker 1: it is. And sometimes that time can shift based on
Speaker 1: the way you're experiencing it. I've had times where I've
Speaker 1: been able to like literally feel like time was slowing down.
Speaker 1: And then there's times where you know, time feels like
Speaker 1: it's really fast, but it's just your perception of it, your.
Speaker 6: Experience with it. Yeah, I think we had an experience
Speaker 6: with that. Actually, at one point we did a meditation.
Speaker 6: I think the meditation was fifteen minutes long based on
Speaker 6: what time we started that. Our guest said actually that
Speaker 6: there was like ten minutes lost or something like that.
Speaker 6: I didn't get to look at it and see it,
Speaker 6: to have that experience of knowing for sure, like what happened,
Speaker 6: but for sure there was like ten minutes that was
Speaker 6: like just unaccounted for.
Speaker 5: And I was like, wait a minute, what you know?
Speaker 6: Like, and that just goes back to what you were saying,
Speaker 6: as far as we all have our own reality, you know,
Speaker 6: how else can you explain that.
Speaker 2: Just existing outside of time in general? Right, it's all
Speaker 2: an illusion anyway, you know.
Speaker 6: And I can't tell you how many times where I
Speaker 6: don't even know what time it is, but I'll just like, oh,
Speaker 6: I think it's probably this time, and then I'll go
Speaker 6: look and I'm like spot on, you know, and it's like,
Speaker 6: how did I know that?
Speaker 2: You? Yeah. I keep a timer so whenever we're whenever
Speaker 2: we're recording, just so I know, like how how long
Speaker 2: we've been going, so we don't get too lost, and
Speaker 2: maybe we go for three hours and I wasn't planning
Speaker 2: on keeping you that long or something like that, And
Speaker 2: I'll keep a timer on it, and almost every time
Speaker 2: I look down at it, it's like one hour and
Speaker 2: eleven minutes, one hour and forty four minutes, or thirty
Speaker 2: three minutes. It's always like something crazy, not whenever I
Speaker 2: try to do it, but just like almost like I
Speaker 2: had half a thought to even look at the time,
Speaker 2: you know, like almost, not even on purpose. And it's
Speaker 2: just like the craziest thing about how it always I gives.
Speaker 1: That a lot, almost a lot of times I look
Speaker 1: at the time it's one one, you know, eleven eleven
Speaker 1: or two two two or three three, three or four,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, I guess somehow I'm on line today.
Speaker 1: That's how I look at I'm like, I'm lined. I'm
Speaker 1: still you know, tracking.
Speaker 6: The right, you know, yep, your level of awareness is
Speaker 6: still right there. I had two to two today actually.
Speaker 1: And that's the other thing, like remember, like like you
Speaker 1: can get messages and songs in in street signs and wherever,
Speaker 1: but because it's your reality, it's only going to mean
Speaker 1: what it needs to mean to you. Mean you are
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how to interpret your reality. I
Speaker 1: can show you how to look for things and how
Speaker 1: to give them meaning for you, but they're ultimately yours,
Speaker 1: you know. I get a lot of message through songs,
Speaker 1: you know, where I'm at, what I need to know,
Speaker 1: or just sometimes it's just a boose like a Hey girl,
Speaker 1: you got this kind of thing.
Speaker 2: You know, dude, you ever did you ever wake up
Speaker 2: with a song in your head?
Speaker 1: Wake up? I don't know about wake up. I get
Speaker 1: random songs in my head. Sometimes I don't even know
Speaker 1: what the words are. Like I start humming it and
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait a minute, I know what's what? And
Speaker 1: I go to a husband, I'm like, what is this song?
Speaker 1: Sometimes you can figure it out. Sometimes my hummin ain't
Speaker 1: that great, but it's.
Speaker 2: So weird whatever.
Speaker 4: It just happens out of nowhere like that, like just I'll.
Speaker 1: Get the words. Sometimes I'll get the words and I'll
Speaker 1: be like, oh, isn't that interesting? Is that what I'm
Speaker 1: what I need to know right now?
Speaker 4: Like just look into the lyrics?
Speaker 2: Yeah, at that point, And somebody told me that because
Speaker 2: I've almost my entire life, I've been waking up just
Speaker 2: about every day with a song in my head. As
Speaker 2: like the moment I wake up, there's a song that
Speaker 2: like I was listening to or I was singing in
Speaker 2: my dream, and it carried over to the time that
Speaker 2: I woke up. I don't even I don't know why
Speaker 2: it happens, and I don't it's a good one. Maybe
Speaker 2: it's like a psychic thing. I don't know, but I
Speaker 2: hope so.
Speaker 5: But this in what was one of the songs that
Speaker 5: you like.
Speaker 1: It's not like an apocalypse. No.
Speaker 2: Usually, usually it's songs that like I haven't heard in forever,
Speaker 2: like this morning, Like I'm not gonna lie, it's Christmas
Speaker 2: in this house all year long, Like I want to
Speaker 2: listen to Christmas music all the time. But it had
Speaker 2: been a while since I listened to Christmas music, and
Speaker 2: so whenever I woke up, I was I was singing
Speaker 2: like a Michael Bouble Christmas song in my head, and
Speaker 2: I was like, I haven't even listened to that in
Speaker 2: probably months, you know, at least, and you know, we're
Speaker 2: coming up on the Christmas season and super excited and everything.
Speaker 2: And then I wake up with that song and I'm like,
Speaker 2: you know, and at first you don't even notice that
Speaker 2: it's in your head. It's kind of like playing in
Speaker 2: the background, you know, and then like you catch yourself,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe once you had to sip a coffee
Speaker 2: or whatever, and yeah, it was just the craziest thing.
Speaker 2: And I didn't even bother looking into the lyrics to
Speaker 2: see how it pertains in my life.
Speaker 4: Somebody told me that. They were like, all.
Speaker 2: Right, that happens you. Maybe there's a message in that song.
Speaker 2: Go look at the lyrics and see what it's saying,
Speaker 2: and there could be some kind of message from the
Speaker 2: other side, you know, in those songs could be.
Speaker 1: That, or it could also be if it's a song
Speaker 1: that's significant value, like it's the song from your wedding
Speaker 1: or the song from like the it has like actual
Speaker 1: meaning to it. It might be connecting you with that
Speaker 1: person or a message from that memory or like, but
Speaker 1: you it's all about you to decode it because it's
Speaker 1: a game. Like it's like decode your game because it's
Speaker 1: constantly trying to tell you stuff.
Speaker 2: Oh dude, especially if life has no meaning other than
Speaker 2: what you apply to it.
Speaker 5: There you go, that's that's what we're saying here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what do you want to apply to it?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 1: You're the creator. Create something that you're that's worth it, Like,
Speaker 1: create something that you want to be happy to get
Speaker 1: up and do and and I always tell people not
Speaker 1: doing something is still a choice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, big time.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I feel like we could talk to
Speaker 2: you forever because we just like.
Speaker 4: Relate on this thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so if you could, Oh, wait, actually, Sean,
Speaker 2: we have a tarot card that we need to read.
Speaker 5: Yes, dude, let's not forget that we got the Hanged Man.
Speaker 4: Oh, get out of here.
Speaker 2: That's my favorite tarot card of all time.
Speaker 5: If anybody in a minute, too, if.
Speaker 2: Anybody looks at the logo, you'll see that me and
Speaker 2: Sean are both holding tarot cards and mine is a
Speaker 2: hanged man on the front.
Speaker 4: Sean put it on.
Speaker 5: There for me.
Speaker 1: Perfect. It's perfect for the book because it's all about
Speaker 1: seeing things through a different perspective.
Speaker 6: Yep, yep, limiting beliefs and yeah, letting go of those things.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so it's kind of a tradition over here
Speaker 2: to read from the book, and eventually we're going.
Speaker 5: To get to it.
Speaker 2: But right now, you know, right now, I do kind
Speaker 2: of want to read it, even though you, I mean, everybody.
Speaker 1: Gives it, gives you more. It's just more right.
Speaker 6: And you can also throw in your own little interpretation,
Speaker 6: because I'd be interested to hear it.
Speaker 2: Sure. So the Hanged Man, Uh, when you are suspended
Speaker 2: upside down, there is time to reflect and see things
Speaker 2: from a new perspective. The Hanged Man offers the unusual
Speaker 2: gift of suspended time. We were just talking about time
Speaker 2: is like not real, uh. His presence is associated with
Speaker 2: the time period that is meant to help shift your
Speaker 2: perception of a situation. The hang Man is suspended by
Speaker 2: one leg upside down from the tree of life. His
Speaker 2: hand appears to be tied behind his back. His free
Speaker 2: leg is crossed behind the bound leg and appears relaxed
Speaker 2: and resting. He has nowhere to go, so he is
Speaker 2: able to sit quietly in reflection, which shows on his face.
Speaker 2: He is calm, almost pensive, rather than distressed. Yellow illumination
Speaker 2: surrounds his head, suggesting spiritual enlightenment is occurring during this
Speaker 2: time of pause.
Speaker 4: This is a time to surrender, not struggle. Yeah, that's
Speaker 4: like the perfect.
Speaker 2: Message for that for this see what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 2: every show it's something so spot on, and you know
Speaker 2: it just never gets old.
Speaker 1: Yes, And the Hayman like it's like like he voluntarily
Speaker 1: put himself in this position. It's not a he wasn't
Speaker 1: like forced right, Like he's relaxed his one leg. He
Speaker 1: can untie his other leg anytime he wants. His hands
Speaker 1: are free, you know, but he's able to see through
Speaker 1: the different perspective.
Speaker 6: He's choosing to look at something a little differently because
Speaker 6: the way that he was looking at it before has
Speaker 6: kind of got him a little stagnant. So it's like,
Speaker 6: all right, let me just flip this around and see
Speaker 6: what's up.
Speaker 4: Not satisfactory?
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, So the spiritual message behind it, it says
Speaker 2: unexpected moments of pause can lead to new spiritual insights.
Speaker 2: Gaining a new perspective on your situation helps you expand
Speaker 2: your beliefs. Take time to reflect and surrender to the
Speaker 2: present moment as fully as you can. All right, well
Speaker 2: that is about as perfect as it gets. I'll say
Speaker 2: that that is a spot on.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 2: And so look, if anybody wants to be able to
Speaker 2: reach out to you, how would they be able to
Speaker 2: find you? Your book and all your social media is
Speaker 2: and everything.
Speaker 1: Sure, so on my website is uh Infinite Mindset Coaching
Speaker 1: dot org. You can go on there if you want
Speaker 1: to book a session a free discovery girl. I have
Speaker 1: the book you know, links for the books in there.
Speaker 1: My social media for the Infinite Mindset Coaching is Infinite
Speaker 1: Mindset Coaching. But most of the stuff I do social
Speaker 1: media wise is Joanne Marcasey M A R C H
Speaker 1: E S E Dot infinite mindset on Instagram. That's probably
Speaker 1: where I'm the most active. I have the TikTok and
Speaker 1: all the other stuff, but Instagram seems to be my
Speaker 1: my platform of choice.
Speaker 4: Perfect.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, look, we're gonna put all those links
Speaker 2: down on the show notes to your book and to
Speaker 2: your website and everything else. We're gonna have that down
Speaker 2: there so everybody can just kind of like super hyperlink
Speaker 2: their way over there, and it'll make it a little
Speaker 2: bit easier for people to come check you out. But yeah,
Speaker 2: we really appreciate you coming on the show as a
Speaker 2: very enlightening conversation and lots of fun.
Speaker 1: Look, thank you so much.
Speaker 5: Of the energy.
Speaker 2: Yeah again, yeah, of course, thank you.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 3: So.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so yeah, I guess with that being said,
Speaker 2: if Joanne Mark Casey came here and she's on you anything,
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Speaker 4: Just get weird.
Speaker 5: Stay weird. Right, that's a good right. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I felt like I just like woke up from a nap.
Speaker 2: I felt like I was dreaming.
Speaker 5: It was pretty good.
Speaker 6: Yeah, dude, I actually I was starting to think of,
Speaker 6: you know, some of the things that our guest was saying,
Speaker 6: and as far as you know, just kind of being
Speaker 6: in that flow and how the universe kind of just
Speaker 6: shows you kind of what you need to see according
Speaker 6: to where you are, and you know, and I think
Speaker 6: it got into some of it was like you know,
Speaker 6: the how maybe how everything.
Speaker 5: Started right, And she went on to say as.
Speaker 6: Far as like we kind of like agreed to certain
Speaker 6: things and how that kind of all took place, and.
Speaker 5: I was just thinking like, and that's and that's cool.
Speaker 5: You know. I think it's really interesting to look at
Speaker 5: it that way.
Speaker 6: And but I think it's really interesting to look at
Speaker 6: it as in, like, at least in my reality, how
Speaker 6: I've been looking at it is what if? What if
Speaker 6: none of this was even supposed to happen? You know
Speaker 6: what I'm saying, Like the universe the way that it
Speaker 6: turned out, Let's say that there was trillions and trillions
Speaker 6: and I don't even know a bigger number to say,
Speaker 6: you know, the possibilities that the universe could have been right,
Speaker 6: And this is the only version of the universe that
Speaker 6: could have been something that had an earth, that had people,
Speaker 6: that had life, that had brains with a capacity to
Speaker 6: even ponder the beginning, right, And so in that sense,
Speaker 6: I feel like like how we talk about, you know, like,
Speaker 6: oh life, maybe there is no one purpose. It's kind
Speaker 6: of just whatever you whatever you want that purpose to be.
Speaker 6: I feel like that lines up even better, you know,
Speaker 6: like if there is no actual specific purpose for Jonathan
Speaker 6: or for me, it's just what I want my purpose
Speaker 6: to be. That's kind of what I follow those breadcrumbs,
Speaker 6: and I kind of just experience the things I'm supposed
Speaker 6: to experience according to kind of how I'm looking at
Speaker 6: things and kind of what I want.
Speaker 5: To see from the universe.
Speaker 6: So I feel like if this universe was just kind
Speaker 6: of I don't even want to say, an accident, because
Speaker 6: even saying that the universe that we exist and now
Speaker 6: was an accident still kind of suggests that there was
Speaker 6: an alternative intention right of the universe itself. And so
Speaker 6: I don't know, I think even even saying that the
Speaker 6: universe was just kind of like this is just how
Speaker 6: it is, and it's always kind of been that way
Speaker 6: in and expanded and whatever, I don't even think that
Speaker 6: takes the magic out of it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: No, I think I don't know. That's just kind of
Speaker 5: what I was thinking about.
Speaker 2: It's probably multiple ways to really look at it. I mean,
Speaker 2: in all of its speculation, you know, especially we know,
Speaker 2: especially whenever they talk about the Big Bang, how was created?
Speaker 2: The Universe's creat what was like thirteen point six million
Speaker 2: years ago or something crazy like that or whatever.
Speaker 5: The millionaires or billion I.
Speaker 2: Think it actually is billion. And then and then they're like, well,
Speaker 2: our math could have been wrong. So it's actually like
Speaker 2: twenty seven point two billion years old, and it was
Speaker 2: like doubled the length. So I mean, there's still jury's
Speaker 2: still out on that. I mean, how how do you
Speaker 2: even go back that much time? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And so, I mean, I think it's just like anything else,
Speaker 2: it's whatever meaning you apply to it. You know, if
Speaker 2: there's something like if you feel like, because there is
Speaker 2: no set answer, I mean, to be honest with you,
Speaker 2: it's all speculator me.
Speaker 6: If there was, I feel like we'd all kind of agree,
Speaker 6: or at least most of us, would, you know, like
Speaker 6: the evidence would be so like obvious, you know that
Speaker 6: it would be like, oh, we got it figured out,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Well, and yeah, and it very well could have just
Speaker 2: existed forever maybe. And then there's some people that suggest that,
Speaker 2: like maybe we don't even exist and we're just like
Speaker 2: experiencing the reality as if our universe got sucked into
Speaker 2: a black hole or something like that.
Speaker 5: We would know if if that was the case, you know.
Speaker 2: How I'm saying, And there's no way of knowing, And
Speaker 2: so I don't know. I think that it's really up
Speaker 2: to whatever fits best for you. Like I like to
Speaker 2: imagine that, you know, mainly beat. I just watched Avengers
Speaker 2: Infinity War earlier again for like the whole time, and
Speaker 2: uh and doctor Strange he's like, he's like, I just
Speaker 2: ran a simulation of all of the possibilities of all
Speaker 2: the possible outcomes and all the possible futures and everything,
Speaker 2: and they they said, like how many did you run?
Speaker 2: It was forty million, six hundred and five, and.
Speaker 5: Which how many did we win? Just one?
Speaker 2: Right, you know, And maybe it is something like that,
Speaker 2: you know, like maybe maybe there is only one way.
Speaker 2: Maybe there's a million different ways. I mean, maybe there
Speaker 2: are forty million different possibilities of how life really pans out.
Speaker 2: But everybody meets in the end the same place kind
Speaker 2: of thing, you know. I mean, And look, if time
Speaker 2: is an illusion we're talking about like a human physical
Speaker 2: thing as far as even the universe, as far as
Speaker 2: time goes, I mean, it doesn't even pertain to exactly
Speaker 2: what we are.
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 2: And if we believe that, you know, energy can't be
Speaker 2: created or destroyed, and that means that we exist literally
Speaker 2: for infinity.
Speaker 4: So there's not even a number that you can put
Speaker 4: on that. So even whenever the universe was.
Speaker 2: Right, that's what I'm saying, Even whenever the universe was created,
Speaker 2: that just that's just whenever, like physical time it was created,
Speaker 2: you know. So that's not even when we were created.
Speaker 2: Because if we're energy and we can't be created or destroyed,
Speaker 2: then that means that we have always and will always exist.
Speaker 2: So it goes even beyond the Big Bang or when
Speaker 2: the universe started, because the universe is just the material
Speaker 2: manifested reality. Uh, it's it's a reality that we find
Speaker 2: ourselves in. Right, It's not all the all the be
Speaker 2: all end all kind of thing. I don't think. I mean,
Speaker 2: because you think about it, like what if you know,
Speaker 2: what if we existed in other universes and we were
Speaker 2: aliens or we were watchers, or we were literally God
Speaker 2: and that's who everybody was praying to us kind of thing, like.
Speaker 5: It literally could be.
Speaker 2: It could be that, like you're just an amoeba at
Speaker 2: the bottom of a pond and you're interacting with other
Speaker 2: amoebas and you're creating like new things, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, like evolutionary style or whatever. Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: we probably existed as all of it. And that's something
Speaker 2: that like even Dolores Cannon said, she goes, it was
Speaker 2: probably a lifetime that you lived as a rock dude,
Speaker 2: you know, like there's probably a lifetime you lived as a.
Speaker 4: Blade of fucking grass.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, and that makes sense too when you
Speaker 6: think about it, when you have those experiences and you
Speaker 6: have that feeling of oneness and you look at the
Speaker 6: tree and you say, oh, you know, like that thing
Speaker 6: is definitely has something going on, whether it's consciousness or
Speaker 6: whatever you want to call it. You know, there's that
Speaker 6: oneness that that that individuation or not individuation, but you're
Speaker 6: not so.
Speaker 5: Print from it.
Speaker 6: So if you were a tree at one point, then
Speaker 6: maybe that's what you know what I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, and it's not the wood that you're connecting with,
Speaker 2: you know, like it's not even the individual fibers of
Speaker 2: the wood that you're connecting with. It is whatever is
Speaker 2: keeping that tree alive, right, you know what energy itselves? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: and I think that that's what is familiar, you know,
Speaker 2: like a tree, a tree is a tree, just like
Speaker 2: a human body is just a human body. So it's
Speaker 2: another car, you know, I do I've had like thirteen
Speaker 2: fourteen cars in my lifetime. If I identified as one
Speaker 2: of them, man, I'd be literally having to Fred Flintstone
Speaker 2: my ass to work or to the grocery store every
Speaker 2: day because that thing I either wrecked or you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, like or the engine blew out or whatever.
Speaker 2: So even identifying as Sean is putting you in such
Speaker 2: a tiny little box. And so that's kind of the
Speaker 2: way I like to look at things. And just I mean,
Speaker 2: you know what it was like whenever I hip the
Speaker 2: you did. You were a fucking I don't even know
Speaker 2: what you were.
Speaker 4: You were just an.
Speaker 5: Energy, an orb or something, right, But you.
Speaker 4: Were just infinite.
Speaker 2: There was no beginning, there was no end, and I
Speaker 2: mean you were an observer, but you couldn't have cared
Speaker 2: less about what was gonna happen because you understood the
Speaker 2: cyclical nature of life.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and like infinite nature of it. No use getting saying.
Speaker 2: No use getting upset over spilled milk, I mean, it
Speaker 2: has to happen.
Speaker 6: And scheme of things, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 6: It just got me thinking because I started thinking about
Speaker 6: the what is it called the dow right And it's
Speaker 6: almost like that effortless action. And so it's like then
Speaker 6: I got to think I thought about that first and
Speaker 6: based off what she was saying, and then thinking about
Speaker 6: like not trying to like force things, right, trying not
Speaker 6: to force a you know, a square peg into a
Speaker 6: triangle hole, right, because I feel like in order to
Speaker 6: just kind of be at your best, you need to
Speaker 6: just be yourself and not constantly trying to force things.
Speaker 6: And that goes in in any situation you can think of.
Speaker 6: You know, if you're forcing yourself to go to this
Speaker 6: job that you fucking hate, right, it's like you're forcing
Speaker 6: and I feel like that's not in our nature. Like
Speaker 6: nature itself isn't forcing anything. No, it's just naturally, it's
Speaker 6: just doing it.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: It all goes through a cycle. You know, think about
Speaker 2: like the lifespan of a leaf. You know, at one
Speaker 2: point it was nothing, and then at a certain point,
Speaker 2: you know, spring came and water came and sunlight and wind,
Speaker 2: and next thing you know, you're a little a little
Speaker 2: leaf sprout, that's you know, sprouting off of the tiniest
Speaker 2: little you know, twig.
Speaker 5: Right. And I'm sorry, no, I was just.
Speaker 2: Gonna say, And eventually you're gonna go through that cycle,
Speaker 2: fall is gonna come, You're gonna die. It falls back
Speaker 2: down to the ground, and eventually that sediment that you
Speaker 2: know forms at the bottom of the ground, not even
Speaker 2: just sediment, but you know, the the whatever the forest floor, right,
Speaker 2: and that is ultimately what helps preserve the land and
Speaker 2: the dirt and all the different nutrients and all the
Speaker 2: bugs and everything else until eventually that life cycle comes
Speaker 2: back around again and what you know it there's more
Speaker 2: leaves that show up.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I yeah, So I was just thinking, like
Speaker 6: how cool actually to think about it in that way,
Speaker 6: not that you have to necessarily take that on as
Speaker 6: a belief.
Speaker 5: Or what have you. As far as like life not
Speaker 5: even being like.
Speaker 6: The the purpose of the universe, you know what I mean,
Speaker 6: Like you look out and you don't see a whole
Speaker 6: lot of life. You know, everything's just kind of you
Speaker 6: see energy, you see you know, stars and things like this,
Speaker 6: but as far as life as we know it, like
Speaker 6: humans and animals, and you don't see that. And so
Speaker 6: it almost seems like life itself wasn't the the purpose
Speaker 6: or the ideal plan for the entire universe. Yet here
Speaker 6: we are. And so when you think about it that
Speaker 6: way you almost transmute it and say we're here in
Speaker 6: spite of the universe not necessarily specifically planning us.
Speaker 5: Well, just here we are.
Speaker 2: And you know what I mean, all of the energy
Speaker 2: that has ever been is all that there will ever be. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, so like because there's no such thing as
Speaker 2: non existence, Like you can't not exist. It's not possible,
Speaker 2: like it it literally it's like zero like you know,
Speaker 2: zero is not even a number, it's just a placeholder,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 5: And sane.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's about it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, dude, I just love thinking about that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff too, So I'm happy you brought that up.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, what were you experiencing, dude?
Speaker 4: You know what?
Speaker 2: I felt like I was about to fall asleep, not
Speaker 2: fall asleep, but I was like super super super deep
Speaker 2: like theyd uh you know to where I was like
Speaker 2: I forgot I was even meditating actually, like I was
Speaker 2: just trying to go nowhere, you know, and just just
Speaker 2: like recharge, you know, setting your phone on the charger
Speaker 2: for the night, you forget about it, you wake up.
Speaker 5: It's yeah, man, love it.
Speaker 2: I think that's why like gurus and yogis and shit,
Speaker 2: they they say that they don't even need to sleep,
Speaker 2: but for like three or four hours at night, Well,
Speaker 2: they're not wasting as much energy as we are. Well well,
Speaker 2: and also think about all the rest they get in
Speaker 2: their meditation. If they're meditating two, three, four times a
Speaker 2: day for half an hour to an hour, a couple
Speaker 2: hours or whatever, you're you're like not burning anything, right,
Speaker 2: And how much.
Speaker 5: Your energy could you exhaust if you're just blissed out
Speaker 5: all day long.
Speaker 2: Well, and there's no energy to exhaust whenever you're in
Speaker 2: a state of rest anyway, you know, so I'm pretty
Speaker 2: freaking cool dude. Anyway, all right, well, we got a
Speaker 2: nice long list of a lineup for guests coming on
Speaker 2: the show and it's gonna be awesome. Can't wait for that.
Speaker 2: Lord Byron's going to be coming on this Wednesday night
Speaker 2: for Wednesdays, Yes, so be on the lookout for that.
Speaker 2: That's gonna be a fun one. And uh many more
Speaker 2: awesome guests coming in the future. So yeah, we uh
Speaker 2: we'll see all on flip side.
Speaker 1: I guess keep