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<v Speaker 1>When you think of a serial killer, what comes to mind?

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<v Speaker 1>A large, mysterious figure shrouded in black maybe, or perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>an unhinged man who leaves behind a trail of blood

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<v Speaker 1>in his wake. What about someone well past their prime

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<v Speaker 1>and into retirement, someone small and frail. What about someone

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<v Speaker 1>referred to as the Granny Ripper in Russia? The Granny

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<v Speaker 1>Ripper would kill in the shadows for years without people

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<v Speaker 1>even knowing it. In fact, her exact victim count is

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<v Speaker 1>still unknown. So when I say serial killer, what comes

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<v Speaker 1>to mind? There is no wrong answer, But the best

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<v Speaker 1>answer could probably be anyone.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening to

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<v Speaker 2>Wicked and Grim, a true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>The following material intend more mature audience listener discretion. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>a good chance they're gonna bug us during the actual show.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it's full force mosquito season.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we have a few in our tiny home right now.

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<v Speaker 1>So if all of a sudden, Nicole lake Spaz is out,

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<v Speaker 1>it's probably because the mosquito tried to fly in her mouth.

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<v Speaker 2>So probably that's already happened once.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So how's it going? What's up? Welcome back to

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<v Speaker 1>Wicked and.

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<v Speaker 2>Grim, a true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, that was a dope intro, wasn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we have to take a moment. That intro was

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<v Speaker 2>like one of the best. I think.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm proud of that one.

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<v Speaker 2>Well done.

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<v Speaker 1>I wrote that super quick too, yeah, like with.

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<v Speaker 2>It probably a few minutes. Yeah, and it was like

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<v Speaker 2>the best one we've gone, I think so. And I've

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<v Speaker 2>probably sent like ten or fifteen minutes before online. So

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<v Speaker 2>thank well.

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<v Speaker 1>And I read that one to you and I was like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I got a damn good intro this time. And I

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<v Speaker 1>read it to you and you were just like wow.

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<v Speaker 2>What did I No, I didn't say that. I think

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<v Speaker 2>there was like dope.

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<v Speaker 1>Nope, you said dope later, but your first reacting was

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<v Speaker 1>like wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah it was good. It was really good. It

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<v Speaker 2>was like, okay, so I should just be afraid of

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<v Speaker 2>everyone pretty much.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean theoretically you should because people suck. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, long story short.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you never know sometimes. I mean, like we've had like,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, the bar being Ken Killers, like they're they

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<v Speaker 2>were like a really attractive, like nice looking couple, nice

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<v Speaker 2>looking and nice from like fixterior right came across as

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<v Speaker 2>that way and they were horrid.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but that being said, there is there are good

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<v Speaker 1>people out there too. There are good people, so not

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<v Speaker 1>everyone sucks. But I think humans as a species suck.

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<v Speaker 2>There are more good people than bad in my opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I agree with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, when I say bad, I mean like cereal.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, definitely, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Could you imagine if more than half people are cereal?

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<v Speaker 1>God fucked? Yeah? Well, I mean if the world ever

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<v Speaker 1>goes to an apocalypse, I think then the numbers would switch.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh goshcha.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, which is why I think humans suck, because we

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<v Speaker 1>would just do whatever. We'd just like we suck, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I would just be like every man for

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<v Speaker 2>themselves exactly, which every man, every woman, every person.

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<v Speaker 1>Which else is terrible? Yeah yeah, I don't know. But

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<v Speaker 1>there are some really cool people out there, Like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>like patrons, for example, because they're really cool, they support us.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you shifting this?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Our patrons don't suck. Our patrons are not awesome,

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<v Speaker 1>They're awesome. So patrons, we do have to shout out

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<v Speaker 1>this week. And I do have someone with a name

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<v Speaker 1>from like a completely different language. I don't know, if

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<v Speaker 1>it's like Swedish or something. So I am really gonna

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<v Speaker 1>try here, but I'm probably gonna butcher it. So I

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<v Speaker 1>am so.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, but your practicing sounded all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but that was like twenty minutes ago, and now

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<v Speaker 1>I forgot I'm practicing. So I'm gonna try it. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>see what we got. So first and foremost, we're starting

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<v Speaker 1>with that one. It's Krefna Byork sigvaladori sigvalatory, Okay, something

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<v Speaker 1>like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say b York because that's the one name

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<v Speaker 1>out of there I do ye how to say. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna refer to you as Bork b Yorke. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for signing up and thank you for putting me

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<v Speaker 1>that challenge. We also have Natalie Stratton, Oliver, Nicole Auxton,

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<v Speaker 1>Daisy Lawn, lil Back, Kellen, and Kennedy Aunt.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice. Was there Nicole in there?

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<v Speaker 1>There wasn't Nicole Cole Oxton?

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<v Speaker 2>Nice name, right, it's a good name.

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<v Speaker 1>Nichole's it all right name?

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty dope. I actually feel like you don't run

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<v Speaker 2>it into a lot of Nicholes, especially younger. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's not it's not really a name people are naming

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<v Speaker 2>their kids now, like, who are having babies now? I

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<v Speaker 2>haven't seen any.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's more of like a millennial name.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, good old millennials. There's nothing wrong with us.

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<v Speaker 1>What about my name Ben? How many Bens do you

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<v Speaker 1>run across nowadays? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>But yours is slight rarity because it's not actually Benjamin.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true, just Ben. Like on your birth stift it's Ben.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. Way to just tell people my identity so they

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<v Speaker 1>can fucking steal shit. Now, they're just gonna go out

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<v Speaker 1>there and just steal my identity because they know the.

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<v Speaker 2>Real name because you put it out there.

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<v Speaker 1>My real name is Nicole Touche. But yeah, no, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's Ben, not Benjamin. My parents are like, if we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to call you Ben, but name you Benjamin. What's

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<v Speaker 1>the point. We're just going to put Ben on your

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<v Speaker 1>birth certificate because that's where we're going to call you.

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<v Speaker 2>Very logical, I guess, Yeah, makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a mosquito by your head? Ah, get them?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh shit, I didn't get them.

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<v Speaker 1>No. Summing up, Yeah, she's going to be back.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I'll disturb us again for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>In the meantime, what we're waiting for me to come back.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get on with the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Okay, after that intro, I mean, the bar pretty

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<v Speaker 2>high for it.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is a high as I said, this is

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<v Speaker 1>the Granny Ripper.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, it's quite a name.

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<v Speaker 1>So it all starts off with the woman by the

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<v Speaker 1>name of Tamara Mitrofanova Samsonova was born on April twenty fifth,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen forty seven, in the city of Yusa, Russia. Nice

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<v Speaker 1>So she lived a relatively normal life growing up. She

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<v Speaker 1>From there, she would find herself moving to Saint Petersburg

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<v Speaker 1>and falling in love. She would marry the man of

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<v Speaker 1>her dreams name Alexei Samsonova. In nineteen seventy one. The

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<v Speaker 1>married couple moved into apartment they had purchased together over

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<v Speaker 1>on Dmitrov Street. Life was good for the two of them.

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<v Speaker 1>They built their future together and they were just living

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<v Speaker 1>it out together. Tamara would eventually work for a company

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<v Speaker 1>called in Tourist, which is a Russian travel agency and

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<v Speaker 1>she was employed in one of their hotels and from

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<v Speaker 1>there she would retire after a while of giving sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>years of her life to that career.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, it's a good chunk of time.

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<v Speaker 1>Sixteen years is a good chunk of time, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm assuming she worked elsewhere as well prior to but

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of like where she retired from, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>where she spent most of her time. Okay, but her

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<v Speaker 1>career life and her husband isn't really the focus of

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<v Speaker 1>this story. It really begins in the year two thousand one.

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<v Speaker 1>Morning Tamara would make a call to the local police

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<v Speaker 1>and report her husband missing. She begged for them to

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<v Speaker 1>help and was desperate to find her husband. However, it

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<v Speaker 1>seemed no matter what the authorities did in their search,

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<v Speaker 1>it was fruitless. There seemed to be no trace of

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<v Speaker 1>him anywhere, no matter where they looked and how Tamara

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<v Speaker 1>tried to help them find her husband, time began to

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<v Speaker 1>take away. Days were passing by, and the days turned

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<v Speaker 1>into weeks, and the weeks would turn into months, and

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<v Speaker 1>those months turned into a year. Tamara began to suspect

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<v Speaker 1>that her husband had run off with another woman and

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<v Speaker 1>left her behind. So in two thousand and one, Tamara

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<v Speaker 1>was alone and she could use some extra income and company,

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<v Speaker 1>so she decided to rent out one of the rooms

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<v Speaker 1>in her apartment. Okay, so she opened her home to

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<v Speaker 1>a man named Vladimir, who rented the space. The two

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<v Speaker 1>quickly became good housemates. But as many of the roommates

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<v Speaker 1>out there potentially listening right now can understand, living in

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<v Speaker 1>close quarters with people and having these roommates can tend

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<v Speaker 1>to lead to disagreements.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, I mean even like husband and wife.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, exactly, well, husband and wife, technically that is

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<v Speaker 1>a roommates.

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<v Speaker 2>It is your laundry please, yes, And I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, what the fuck are you doing with your bag?

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<v Speaker 1>Why is it on the counter? Or your purse should

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<v Speaker 1>be hung up over there, let's not open these cans?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right now.

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<v Speaker 1>But definitely living in close quarters with someone living in

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<v Speaker 1>the same house it can bring up quarrels. Oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>butt heads.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not easy.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, it's it's not abnormal, I mean, and honestly

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<v Speaker 1>it's not unhealthy necessarily either, Like disagreeing in arguments, it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of natural, and it's a good way of actually

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<v Speaker 1>working things out. It's how you deal with them that's important, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, even living with yourself, you would probably argue

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<v Speaker 2>and be like, what the Fuck's wrong with you? Why

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<v Speaker 2>is the hell such a mess? And like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>why are.

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<v Speaker 1>You waking up at eleven o'clock and watching Netflix till

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<v Speaker 1>eleven pm? And that sort of stuff. You didn't do

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<v Speaker 1>anything today?

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<v Speaker 2>What the hell?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeap? Eat your fruits and vegetables. That's when I have

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<v Speaker 1>a rush on me all the time? Fight with yeah. Anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>we digress. They're arguing though in this case, that became

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<v Speaker 1>more and more frequent, and after about a year, Vladimir

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<v Speaker 1>decided that it was time for him to move out

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<v Speaker 1>and move on. So after that, tamarowby once again looking

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<v Speaker 1>for a roommate, and this time around she found forty

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<v Speaker 1>four year old man sorry who went by the name

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<v Speaker 1>of Ladya. There is some reports that I found that

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<v Speaker 1>this man's actual name is Sarahi Potin. However, those are unconfirmed.

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<v Speaker 1>Most accounts that I found, they just simply referred to

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<v Speaker 1>them as vlaudyat okay. So she had a new tenant

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<v Speaker 1>and the same problems would eventually arise between the two

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<v Speaker 1>of them. Disagreements and arguments would begin to occur. Other

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<v Speaker 1>tenants in the complex would also report sounds of yelling

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<v Speaker 1>between the two and even banging on the apartment radiator

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<v Speaker 1>and air conditioning unit.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, in the hallways. There was even witnesses of Tamara

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<v Speaker 1>screaming at Vladya, and the relationship was sour and more

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's disagreements, but that sounds like it might be

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like there's disagreements, but disagreements that they can't

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<v Speaker 1>improve upon, right, which improving upon is a big part

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<v Speaker 1>September of two thousand and three, it stopped. Tamara once

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<v Speaker 1>over the next decade or so. A new roommate would

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<v Speaker 2>I'm almost surprised. I was kind of more so expecting

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, not so much. Yeah, well, it was more

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<v Speaker 1>so just a situation of having some company and extra

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<v Speaker 1>income in the house. Right. So in March of twenty fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>Tamara was no longer able to take in any more roommates.

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<v Speaker 2>And sorry, this is twenty fifteen now correct. Oh wow, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>this is like pretty recent.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, relatively.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>Luckily, she would be introduced to seventy nine year old

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<v Speaker 1>Valentina just so happened to also live on Dmitriev Street,

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<v Speaker 1>so when she agreed, it was kind of a nice

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<v Speaker 1>little situation. She's like, yeah, I'm gonna let you move

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<v Speaker 1>it was going to be fantastic. The movie isn't too

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<v Speaker 1>far away ideal basically, yeah, yeah, Now, the deal was,

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<v Speaker 1>though she wasn't moving in, just free of charge. It

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<v Speaker 1>would be that she would actually help out with chores

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<v Speaker 1>with Valentina, as Valentina was beginning to have troubles in

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<v Speaker 1>her older age. She's seventy nine, she's kind of getting

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<v Speaker 1>more and more frail on her own and everything, so

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<v Speaker 1>she needed someone to help out around the house. Makes sense, yeap,

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<v Speaker 1>So she's going to move in. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>there was a monetary exchange, but the deal that I

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<v Speaker 1>do know of help her around the house and you

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<v Speaker 1>can live with me as a roomate for a while

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<v Speaker 1>while your place is under construction, if you will. And

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<v Speaker 1>now this again, though, would end up just like any

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<v Speaker 1>other living arrangement that Tamara had with anyone else. Arguments

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<v Speaker 1>and disagreements became prevalent. It would be several months before

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<v Speaker 1>they got to the point where Valentina would eventually no

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<v Speaker 1>longer be able to take it, and she asked Tamara

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<v Speaker 1>to move out. It was just too much. This spelled

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<v Speaker 1>trouble for Tamara. She didn't even have her apartment to

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<v Speaker 1>move back into yet, and despite the yet again disagreements

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<v Speaker 1>and troubles, Tamara actually liked staying with Valentina, so she

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<v Speaker 1>just ignored the request and continued staying there anyways.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so it's kind of seeming like she's maybe the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, if you get to the point where it seems

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<v Speaker 1>like everyone else is the problem, you might want to

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<v Speaker 1>think about that it's probably you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it might. It might be some self reflection

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<v Speaker 2>needed right there. Yeah, and especially where she's in a

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<v Speaker 2>situation where she like needs this, like she doesn't have

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<v Speaker 2>anywhere to go. Yeah, you think that you just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of be able to pull up your socks here and

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<v Speaker 2>make this work until your apartment was ready. Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>or you just fucking keep being the same way and

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<v Speaker 2>just stay there anyway, even though the other person wants

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<v Speaker 2>you out and it's their home.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I do kind of want to play Devil's advocates

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<v Speaker 1>because I know, like the older I get. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>super old yet thirty five, but the older I get,

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<v Speaker 1>the less I care about what other people think.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but that's almost like a kind thing, because this

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<v Speaker 2>person's like doing you a favor.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's true. That's true.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like if you were living with somebody else

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<v Speaker 2>in the intern, like you would be pretty nice to them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but people get stuck in their own ways, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, heads clashing. It's like, well, I, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>it could be like, well I make coffee at six o'clock.

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<v Speaker 1>Well I only have coffee at seven o'clock. And it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>but by the time I go to make my coffee

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<v Speaker 1>at seven o'clock, now there's old, stale coffee in there

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<v Speaker 1>from your six o'clock coffee, and I got to clean

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<v Speaker 1>up the coffee maker that I cleaned the night before.

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<v Speaker 2>Like little shit like that does sound like you Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just kidding, don't. I don't drink coffee, so we

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<v Speaker 2>don't have a coffee issue in this house.

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<v Speaker 1>But just those little things of like people in their

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<v Speaker 1>older age being stuck in their ways, becoming bullheaded and

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<v Speaker 1>being like, you know what, fuck you, I drink my

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<v Speaker 1>coffee at six. If you want coffee at seven, clean

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<v Speaker 1>the fucking coffee.

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<v Speaker 2>Make me that new coffee. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I can understand that being a thing when people get

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<v Speaker 1>into an older age. Yeah, because I feel like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>slowly becoming that.

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<v Speaker 2>If I'm being honest, that's that's really exciting for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is. You have something to look forward to.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just like real pump.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, just don't start drinking coffee earlier. Than me. That's

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<v Speaker 1>all you got to worry about. Okay, coffee though, wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>their argument. An argument over some dishes specifically though, would

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<v Speaker 1>bring the topic back on hand and in the forefront

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<v Speaker 1>once again, and Valentina was adamant. This time she needed

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<v Speaker 1>Tamara to leave. But just as this was the last

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<v Speaker 1>draw of Valentina, so was it for Tamara as well.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be on July twenty fourth, twenty fifteen, that

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<v Speaker 1>Tamara would actually travel to Pushkin, Russia, which wasn't too

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<v Speaker 1>far away, where she would visit a pharmacy. Here, she

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<v Speaker 1>managed to persuade the pharmacist to sell her a prescription

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<v Speaker 1>drug called venenza Pan, which was developed in Soviet Russia

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<v Speaker 1>a Soviet Union in nineteen seventy five, and it's used

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<v Speaker 1>as a treatment for various mental disorders. It's like a

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<v Speaker 1>psychiatric schizophrenia treatment and anxiety. It essentially is like a

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<v Speaker 1>mild sedative to help like sooth and calm and relax people.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Uh, that seems interesting. You could convince a pharmacist

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<v Speaker 2>to just give that to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there's a little bit of a caveat to it,

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<v Speaker 1>because she was able to convince them, because she apparently,

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<v Speaker 1>in her younger years, had been hospitalized in psychiatric care

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<v Speaker 1>on three separate occasions. Oh okay, Now, what if she

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<v Speaker 1>was diagnosed with anything specifically, I'm unsure.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so she might have been like kind of begging them,

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<v Speaker 2>like I need my medication or something, I'm run out.

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<v Speaker 1>And she has a history that she probably took this

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<v Speaker 1>specific drug before. Yeah, so it was relatively makes.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes more sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was an easier battle for her to get

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<v Speaker 1>them to prescribe and give her the medication. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what happened. The pharmacist gave her the prescription thinking

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<v Speaker 1>it was a reasonable request, and Tamara just went back home.

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<v Speaker 1>So once she arrived at home, she decided to make

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<v Speaker 1>dinner for her roommate, and perhaps she may have played

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<v Speaker 1>it off as a potential peace offering since their arguments. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not too sure on that, But what we do

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<v Speaker 1>know is the dish that she served was Olivier salad,

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<v Speaker 1>which is one of Valentina's favorite dishes. And it's a

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<v Speaker 1>Russian like salad, like creamy kind of dish or whatever, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like I don't think there's any pasta in it,

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<v Speaker 1>but think like our pasta salad. It's like like got

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<v Speaker 1>the vegetables and stuff. It's got like that creaminess to it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And with that dish, Tamara would crush up approximately fifty

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<v Speaker 1>of the prescription pills and mix them into the holy shit,

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<v Speaker 1>fifty fucking tablet Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, also, I'm just like if you just yeah, I wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't expect the pharmacists to give her that many pills.

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<v Speaker 2>And then yeah, okay, I kind of think I was

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<v Speaker 2>thinking this is where this was going to go. But

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<v Speaker 2>that's brutal. Yeah, what the fuck happened? Next?

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<v Speaker 1>Then, well, she served the dinner to Valentina, and the

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<v Speaker 1>two of them enjoyed a nice dinner.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man.

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<v Speaker 1>Almost directly after dinner, Tamara would go to bed at

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<v Speaker 1>about seven pm.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because shit was about to hit the fan and

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<v Speaker 2>she's piecing out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And after that, she would wake up at about

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<v Speaker 1>two am in the middle of the night or early

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning, however you look at it, and she

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<v Speaker 1>would walk back out of her room and find Valentina

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man.

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<v Speaker 1>So while Valentina laid there on the floor, still alive,

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<v Speaker 1>because she is currently just unconscious. Tamara leaned over top

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<v Speaker 1>of her and began cutting her throat into capitating her

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<v Speaker 1>with a hacksaw and two kitchen knives.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, that really escalated. Yeah, because at first is like,

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<v Speaker 2>how the fuck you're gonna cover this up? But now

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<v Speaker 2>how the fuck you're going to cover that up?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>That's next level.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, once she made it all the way through

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<v Speaker 1>through her neck, she continued to dismember Valentina's body limb

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<v Speaker 1>by limb, severing her torso into halves and some other

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<v Speaker 1>smaller manageable pieces as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Manageable, that's one way to describe that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we do have an older lady. She is sixty

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<v Speaker 1>eight years old at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah wow, Yeah, okay, I already didn't love her, now

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<v Speaker 2>I really don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, respectable on that front.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow okay, yep.

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<v Speaker 1>It would take Tamara several trips, but she managed to

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<v Speaker 1>package Valentina's body into various plastics and bags and carry

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<v Speaker 1>them out of the complex and strew them around the

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<v Speaker 1>city in an attempt to cover up her crime.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah okay, I mean, gosh, this is so sad that

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<v Speaker 2>this is like this lady opened her house to this

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<v Speaker 2>woman to just try to get help with cleaning and

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<v Speaker 2>and then ends up dying. Yeah, like that's just not cool.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's well, any murder is generally not know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very disturbed right now by this, just like the

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<v Speaker 2>age and I don't know in the situation, like.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, Well, and just to clarify once again, so Valentina

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<v Speaker 1>was seventy nine when she was killed and Tamara is

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<v Speaker 1>sixty eight at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>Like to live seventy nine years and then get murdered, like.

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<v Speaker 1>Good god, well, let's be better than being murdered when

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<v Speaker 1>you're like an adolescent at least, that's very true.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm just like, you live that long and then

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<v Speaker 2>that's the way you go out.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't know, I'm just playing Devil's advocate

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<v Speaker 1>by saying that again.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I mean I don't think the death necessarily,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't sure, but I think like, because she was

424
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<v Speaker 2>kind of in like a Cooma state, I wouldn't have

425
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<v Speaker 2>hurt necessarily. I don't even know.

426
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<v Speaker 1>That's really hoping that she didn't feel any of that pain. Yeah,

427
00:21:03.599 --> 00:21:07.400
<v Speaker 1>but she definitely was still alive when she was being

428
00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:12.039
<v Speaker 1>dismembered at least to start with. Jeez, So it would

429
00:21:12.039 --> 00:21:16.000
<v Speaker 1>be only three days later, on July twenty sixth, twenty fifteen,

430
00:21:16.400 --> 00:21:18.559
<v Speaker 1>when a couple was walking their dog around a pond

431
00:21:18.599 --> 00:21:21.359
<v Speaker 1>and Valentina's remains would be found.

432
00:21:21.480 --> 00:21:22.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, okay.

433
00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:25.200
<v Speaker 1>The couple's dog was acting very odd in the walk

434
00:21:25.400 --> 00:21:28.279
<v Speaker 1>and was extremely interested in something that was in a

435
00:21:28.279 --> 00:21:31.160
<v Speaker 1>bush along the shallow edge of the water. They decided

436
00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:33.519
<v Speaker 1>to take a closer look at what their dog was

437
00:21:33.640 --> 00:21:36.759
<v Speaker 1>trying to go after, and they found the dismembered remains

438
00:21:36.799 --> 00:21:39.799
<v Speaker 1>of Valentina's body wrapped up in a shower curtain.

439
00:21:40.240 --> 00:21:42.559
<v Speaker 2>That's brave. I think I'd just be like, let's go.

440
00:21:42.759 --> 00:21:43.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to miss stinky.

441
00:21:44.279 --> 00:21:46.079
<v Speaker 1>Well, it could be like your dog's interested in like

442
00:21:46.119 --> 00:21:47.799
<v Speaker 1>a frog hopp it along or something. You're like, oh,

443
00:21:47.799 --> 00:21:50.200
<v Speaker 1>what are you after their Fidoh and you look and

444
00:21:50.279 --> 00:21:51.960
<v Speaker 1>all sudden, oh severed leg.

445
00:21:51.960 --> 00:21:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Like oly shit.

446
00:21:53.319 --> 00:21:56.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no thanks, but I can understand how that mistake

447
00:21:56.400 --> 00:22:00.759
<v Speaker 1>would occur. Police were of course called right away when

448
00:22:00.759 --> 00:22:03.079
<v Speaker 1>they came upon the scene of, you know, a dismembered

449
00:22:03.079 --> 00:22:08.720
<v Speaker 1>body in a park, and investigation was issued, so it

450
00:22:08.720 --> 00:22:13.400
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be long before the remains were actually identified and

451
00:22:13.480 --> 00:22:17.759
<v Speaker 1>identified as those of Valentina. Authorities were beginning their investigation

452
00:22:17.839 --> 00:22:20.359
<v Speaker 1>and started isolating the area and searching for the clues

453
00:22:20.400 --> 00:22:23.440
<v Speaker 1>and everything. But this would include a door to door

454
00:22:23.559 --> 00:22:27.839
<v Speaker 1>question like they're knocked around neighborhood doors, asking like, hey,

455
00:22:27.880 --> 00:22:29.720
<v Speaker 1>have you ever seen anything weird in the neighborhood last

456
00:22:29.720 --> 00:22:32.319
<v Speaker 1>couple of days, like what's going on? And they would

457
00:22:32.559 --> 00:22:36.359
<v Speaker 1>arrive at the apartment complex where Valentina lived and they

458
00:22:36.359 --> 00:22:39.960
<v Speaker 1>would be knocking on doors there and they were asking,

459
00:22:40.319 --> 00:22:42.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, see any strange, and many the people in

460
00:22:42.720 --> 00:22:45.559
<v Speaker 1>the complex didn't really see anything strange, but they did

461
00:22:45.680 --> 00:22:48.920
<v Speaker 1>note they hadn't seen Valentina for the past few days,

462
00:22:49.359 --> 00:22:51.839
<v Speaker 1>and many of the people in the complex, we're rather close,

463
00:22:51.920 --> 00:22:54.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, you see people passing in the halls or

464
00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:56.559
<v Speaker 1>even you know the arguments that you've been hearing through

465
00:22:56.559 --> 00:22:59.400
<v Speaker 1>the walls recently. Well, I've sudden ceased.

466
00:22:59.160 --> 00:23:01.079
<v Speaker 2>Say that they probably knew that they kind of had

467
00:23:01.119 --> 00:23:03.039
<v Speaker 2>a bit of a feisty relationship of.

468
00:23:03.039 --> 00:23:07.000
<v Speaker 1>Sorts, right, Yeah, so they haven't heard from her, they

469
00:23:07.039 --> 00:23:09.720
<v Speaker 1>haven't seen her, and things suddenly had gone quiet. You

470
00:23:09.839 --> 00:23:12.960
<v Speaker 1>look guilty exactly. So with this in mind, they went

471
00:23:13.039 --> 00:23:15.759
<v Speaker 1>knocking in the door of Valentina's apartment and the door

472
00:23:15.799 --> 00:23:19.119
<v Speaker 1>opened and they found sixty eight year old Tamara there

473
00:23:19.119 --> 00:23:22.240
<v Speaker 1>in her apartment. Oh just chilling, just chilling, screening, like,

474
00:23:22.319 --> 00:23:24.920
<v Speaker 1>s up, it's up, popo, what's going on? What's going down?

475
00:23:24.920 --> 00:23:25.359
<v Speaker 1>What do you need?

476
00:23:25.480 --> 00:23:27.079
<v Speaker 2>Watching Netflix? Drink and some tea.

477
00:23:27.559 --> 00:23:31.279
<v Speaker 1>There you go, living her best life, apparently, to say

478
00:23:31.279 --> 00:23:32.960
<v Speaker 1>the least, so the police didn't have a hard time

479
00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:35.519
<v Speaker 1>piecing the puzzle together of what happened from this point.

480
00:23:35.759 --> 00:23:38.920
<v Speaker 1>A search of the apartment was able to provide traces

481
00:23:38.960 --> 00:23:42.839
<v Speaker 1>of blood, as well as matching shower curtain fasteners that

482
00:23:43.000 --> 00:23:45.640
<v Speaker 1>were going along with the ones found wrapping some of

483
00:23:46.680 --> 00:23:49.039
<v Speaker 1>Valentina's body remains.

484
00:23:49.440 --> 00:23:53.039
<v Speaker 2>She really didn't give a shit, not so much. She

485
00:23:53.039 --> 00:23:54.839
<v Speaker 2>would have had the time to kind of like clean

486
00:23:54.920 --> 00:23:58.359
<v Speaker 2>up and potentially have bought this through if she wanted

487
00:23:58.359 --> 00:23:59.119
<v Speaker 2>to get away with it.

488
00:23:59.359 --> 00:24:02.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well bear with me on that thought, because I

489
00:24:02.319 --> 00:24:04.200
<v Speaker 1>think you're going to be surprised with how this plays out.

490
00:24:04.480 --> 00:24:05.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay.

491
00:24:05.720 --> 00:24:08.960
<v Speaker 1>There was also CCTV footage from security cameras on the

492
00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:12.559
<v Speaker 1>apartment complex, and it showed Tamara making several trips out

493
00:24:12.599 --> 00:24:14.240
<v Speaker 1>of the building in the middle of the night, carrying

494
00:24:14.279 --> 00:24:17.759
<v Speaker 1>those various plastic bags coverings, shower curtain.

495
00:24:19.559 --> 00:24:22.119
<v Speaker 2>Serious dead serious, okay.

496
00:24:22.359 --> 00:24:24.599
<v Speaker 1>And due to her lack of attention to detail, there

497
00:24:24.640 --> 00:24:28.799
<v Speaker 1>was also pieces left that are described as pieces and

498
00:24:28.960 --> 00:24:31.799
<v Speaker 1>chunks of flesh in the corridor of the complex as

499
00:24:31.839 --> 00:24:33.640
<v Speaker 1>she carried out the remains building as well.

500
00:24:34.039 --> 00:24:37.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, yes, yeah, that's nasty. Yeah.

501
00:24:38.119 --> 00:24:40.839
<v Speaker 1>And I'm assuming those were just laying there for the

502
00:24:40.880 --> 00:24:42.559
<v Speaker 1>past few days as people are walking by and not

503
00:24:42.640 --> 00:24:43.960
<v Speaker 1>really knowing what it.

504
00:24:43.880 --> 00:24:46.000
<v Speaker 2>Was or anything, just rotting away.

505
00:24:46.119 --> 00:24:48.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, I don't think it's like, oh, there's a

506
00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:52.319
<v Speaker 1>steak sized piece of meat over there. No, I'm assuming.

507
00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:53.839
<v Speaker 2>It's like small little particles.

508
00:24:54.119 --> 00:24:54.440
<v Speaker 1>Yes.

509
00:24:55.359 --> 00:24:57.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's really gross though.

510
00:24:57.240 --> 00:25:02.319
<v Speaker 1>Oh definitely. So when pressed about the situation, Tamara didn't

511
00:25:02.359 --> 00:25:07.319
<v Speaker 1>really hesitate to admit what she'd done, which to me

512
00:25:07.480 --> 00:25:11.200
<v Speaker 1>was surprising. But she didn't, But it kind of makes

513
00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:12.920
<v Speaker 1>sense a little later on as we go on here.

514
00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:15.640
<v Speaker 1>So what she did do is she did tell police

515
00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:18.960
<v Speaker 1>that she was upset with Valentina over their disagreement, and

516
00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:22.359
<v Speaker 1>when she was asked to leave, she couldn't. Her own

517
00:25:22.359 --> 00:25:25.920
<v Speaker 1>place was still uninhabitable due to the renovations, and it

518
00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:28.839
<v Speaker 1>left her with no choice but to kill her in

519
00:25:28.960 --> 00:25:31.279
<v Speaker 1>order to give her the opportunity to stay in the apartment.

520
00:25:31.720 --> 00:25:35.319
<v Speaker 2>No choice Okay, I'm sorry. I can't get over the

521
00:25:35.359 --> 00:25:38.039
<v Speaker 2>wording of some of this stuff that you have here,

522
00:25:38.079 --> 00:25:40.359
<v Speaker 2>just like no choice, chunks. I can't remember what the

523
00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:41.799
<v Speaker 2>other one was, just killing me.

524
00:25:41.799 --> 00:25:43.960
<v Speaker 1>For some reason, the no choice might have been my

525
00:25:44.039 --> 00:25:46.920
<v Speaker 1>specific wording. I don't think that's directly her terminology.

526
00:25:47.079 --> 00:25:49.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you're wording like it's it's kind of for

527
00:25:49.440 --> 00:25:52.200
<v Speaker 2>some reason. I'm finding it comical here the chunks.

528
00:25:52.039 --> 00:25:54.480
<v Speaker 1>Was not my wording, though, use that was wording that

529
00:25:54.519 --> 00:25:55.519
<v Speaker 1>I found directly.

530
00:25:55.680 --> 00:25:56.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh cool, okay.

531
00:25:57.559 --> 00:26:01.559
<v Speaker 1>So Shocked by her confession, though and reason, police quickly

532
00:26:01.640 --> 00:26:05.680
<v Speaker 1>arrested Tamara, and rightfully so. Looking further into the home,

533
00:26:05.880 --> 00:26:11.279
<v Speaker 1>investigators were able to find some extremely disturbing things. Primarily,

534
00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:14.720
<v Speaker 1>Tamara had kept a very detailed diary of her day

535
00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:19.279
<v Speaker 1>to day events, all worded in Russian, German and English.

536
00:26:20.039 --> 00:26:23.880
<v Speaker 1>Now sure enough, the description of Valentina's killing was all

537
00:26:23.920 --> 00:26:27.079
<v Speaker 1>written in ink on the pages of her diary the

538
00:26:27.119 --> 00:26:32.519
<v Speaker 1>details of dismemberment, disposal, and cleaning. They also found entries

539
00:26:32.519 --> 00:26:36.400
<v Speaker 1>of her diary about fondness for Valentina or Valia as

540
00:26:36.440 --> 00:26:39.400
<v Speaker 1>she referred to her as. Now it seems she didn't

541
00:26:39.440 --> 00:26:43.240
<v Speaker 1>actually hate her, as it might kind of first look

542
00:26:43.400 --> 00:26:47.000
<v Speaker 1>like upon talking about this case, which only begs more questions.

543
00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:50.240
<v Speaker 1>So to their surprise, though, that's not all they were

544
00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:53.720
<v Speaker 1>able to find on these pages. They also found an

545
00:26:53.880 --> 00:26:59.240
<v Speaker 1>entry that said this quote, I killed my tenant Volagia,

546
00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:02.319
<v Speaker 1>cut him into pieces in the bathroom with a knife,

547
00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:05.079
<v Speaker 1>and put the pieces of his body in plastic bags

548
00:27:05.119 --> 00:27:09.200
<v Speaker 1>and threw them away in different parts for the Farinsky district.

549
00:27:11.559 --> 00:27:14.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay, sorry, is that is that a different person?

550
00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:19.000
<v Speaker 1>Vladya was her roommate from about fifteen years ago.

551
00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:22.400
<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, okay, that's when I was thinking that. I

552
00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:23.880
<v Speaker 2>was like, did I get something mixed up?

553
00:27:23.880 --> 00:27:27.039
<v Speaker 1>Here was her second roommate she welcomed into her home.

554
00:27:28.799 --> 00:27:31.039
<v Speaker 2>Okay, my gears are turning here.

555
00:27:32.799 --> 00:27:33.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

556
00:27:33.559 --> 00:27:35.640
<v Speaker 2>So she was done her career and just was like

557
00:27:36.039 --> 00:27:39.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm done with this. You guys can find out whatever

558
00:27:39.039 --> 00:27:39.880
<v Speaker 2>you want.

559
00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:43.160
<v Speaker 1>Really pretty much. She didn't really have too much of

560
00:27:43.160 --> 00:27:46.160
<v Speaker 1>an attitude of like, yeah, no, I didn't do it.

561
00:27:46.200 --> 00:27:49.920
<v Speaker 1>She's just like, I mean, not that I'm agreeing with

562
00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:51.599
<v Speaker 1>her and everything, but I'll give her props to this.

563
00:27:51.880 --> 00:27:54.759
<v Speaker 1>She's taken it on the chin, being like, yeah, that's me.

564
00:27:55.119 --> 00:27:55.519
<v Speaker 1>I did that.

565
00:27:55.559 --> 00:27:59.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, honestly, that's almost oh gosh, like I

566
00:27:59.039 --> 00:28:01.960
<v Speaker 2>was gonna say the way to do it, which is terrible,

567
00:28:02.359 --> 00:28:07.160
<v Speaker 2>it's terrible. But no, Okay, you're a terrible person. But

568
00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:10.799
<v Speaker 2>then you're finally done with being a terrible person, I guess,

569
00:28:10.839 --> 00:28:13.480
<v Speaker 2>and then you're gonna, like, at least give some closure

570
00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:14.559
<v Speaker 2>to all the shit that you did.

571
00:28:16.039 --> 00:28:17.519
<v Speaker 1>That's the least thing you can do.

572
00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:19.200
<v Speaker 2>Okay, this terrible.

573
00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:22.559
<v Speaker 1>No, you're playing devil's advocate. You're giving the silver lining.

574
00:28:22.759 --> 00:28:28.759
<v Speaker 1>At least she's not denying it. At least she's helping authorities.

575
00:28:28.799 --> 00:28:32.400
<v Speaker 1>At least she's giving closure. Yes, I got you, don't worry.

576
00:28:32.680 --> 00:28:36.279
<v Speaker 1>Just when you first said it, it sounded like, wow,

577
00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:37.519
<v Speaker 1>But okay, I got you.

578
00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:39.319
<v Speaker 2>Okay, if I was going to be a serial killer,

579
00:28:39.319 --> 00:28:40.960
<v Speaker 2>i'd be heard. That's not what I meant at all.

580
00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:45.480
<v Speaker 1>I totally got it. Don't hurry. But yeah, this whole situation,

581
00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:48.279
<v Speaker 1>the diary, it threw a massive curve ball into the case,

582
00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:52.000
<v Speaker 1>especially considering all her roommates that she has had over

583
00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:57.319
<v Speaker 1>the past years, decades more went missing. Yeah, how many

584
00:28:57.359 --> 00:29:01.079
<v Speaker 1>of them did she kill? What about out her husband

585
00:29:01.119 --> 00:29:03.480
<v Speaker 1>who went missing years ago?

586
00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:06.640
<v Speaker 2>Right? Who she just thought went like off with another

587
00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:08.839
<v Speaker 2>woman she at Wow.

588
00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:13.279
<v Speaker 1>Well, as I mentioned, Tamara didn't really try and hide

589
00:29:13.319 --> 00:29:16.480
<v Speaker 1>the fact that she killed Valentina and confessed, but ultimately

590
00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:20.200
<v Speaker 1>she would volunteer to return to the apartments and walk

591
00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:23.799
<v Speaker 1>through step by step with investigators how she killed and

592
00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:27.400
<v Speaker 1>dismembered Valentina's body as well, and they even provided a

593
00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:29.039
<v Speaker 1>dummy for her to show.

594
00:29:29.319 --> 00:29:32.319
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, this is fascinating.

595
00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:37.279
<v Speaker 1>Really, Yes, so they reenacted with her what she fucking

596
00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:38.720
<v Speaker 1>did to Valentina.

597
00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:42.079
<v Speaker 2>Could you imagine being in that situation, Like, hey, where

598
00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:45.759
<v Speaker 2>you're literally giving a serial killer, you're gonna watch them

599
00:29:45.799 --> 00:29:48.920
<v Speaker 2>reenact what they've done. I just I feel like I

600
00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:52.960
<v Speaker 2>would just be just fascinated by like watching that unfold there.

601
00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:55.039
<v Speaker 1>I think my fascination in the situation, Like, I agree,

602
00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:58.200
<v Speaker 1>I'd be fascinated, but I wouldn't be fascinated with the

603
00:29:58.279 --> 00:30:01.039
<v Speaker 1>crime itself. I would be fat fascinated with how they

604
00:30:01.119 --> 00:30:04.960
<v Speaker 1>talked about and described and showed the crime. Well, yeah,

605
00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:06.960
<v Speaker 1>so like do they are they excited about? Like, oh,

606
00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:08.839
<v Speaker 1>and I did this because of this? It's like this

607
00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:12.000
<v Speaker 1>is my problem solving, Like how were they talking about this?

608
00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:15.640
<v Speaker 1>How disassociated are they from the crime? That they committed.

609
00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:18.799
<v Speaker 2>Is there any remorse or anything shown? Like, yeah, that

610
00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:23.519
<v Speaker 2>would just be wild as fuck. No kidding. I almost

611
00:30:23.559 --> 00:30:25.559
<v Speaker 2>want to see that, like on a video to watch

612
00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:26.119
<v Speaker 2>or something.

613
00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:30.039
<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately, I don't know if I'm sure it was actually videotaped.

614
00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:31.119
<v Speaker 2>But that is released.

615
00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:36.319
<v Speaker 1>It definitely is not released, unfortunately. So, yeah, she showed

616
00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:38.559
<v Speaker 1>them the tools she used, just how she cut up

617
00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:41.720
<v Speaker 1>the remains from there, piece by piece. She showed wrapping

618
00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:45.240
<v Speaker 1>them plastic, and where each portion was dumped. For example,

619
00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:48.000
<v Speaker 1>Valentina's hips and legs were actually too heavy for her

620
00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:50.680
<v Speaker 1>to take out and far away from the complex, so

621
00:30:50.720 --> 00:30:54.279
<v Speaker 1>she was forced to stash them actually on the apartment grounds.

622
00:30:54.920 --> 00:30:57.440
<v Speaker 1>And then of course various portions were dumped in places

623
00:30:57.480 --> 00:31:02.359
<v Speaker 1>like ponds where she was initially discovered. Wow, so when

624
00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:06.480
<v Speaker 1>it came to Valentina's head, here's an interesting piece. So

625
00:31:06.519 --> 00:31:11.000
<v Speaker 1>she did attempt to hide her victim's identity. So, once decapitated,

626
00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:14.720
<v Speaker 1>Tamara took her head and her hands, put them in

627
00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:17.680
<v Speaker 1>a pot with water onto the stove and boiled them

628
00:31:17.960 --> 00:31:21.759
<v Speaker 1>extensively to try and hide Valentina's identity.

629
00:31:22.119 --> 00:31:24.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's really gross.

630
00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:29.000
<v Speaker 1>So that CCTV security footage from the apartment actually shows

631
00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:33.599
<v Speaker 1>Tamara carrying out a pot from the complex as well.

632
00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:36.039
<v Speaker 2>What the actual shit so.

633
00:31:36.079 --> 00:31:38.920
<v Speaker 1>We know exactly what is in that container as she

634
00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:39.640
<v Speaker 1>is walking out.

635
00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:44.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I am just shocked here. She would have known

636
00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:48.400
<v Speaker 2>that there was like video or something like capturing this. Hey,

637
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:53.160
<v Speaker 2>probably and just zero shits given, probably huh.

638
00:31:53.720 --> 00:31:58.319
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So she would dump the contents of the pot

639
00:31:58.319 --> 00:32:01.160
<v Speaker 1>into the garbage dump, which was removed every Saturday from

640
00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:06.519
<v Speaker 1>the site. This part has actually sparked some some belief

641
00:32:06.559 --> 00:32:09.680
<v Speaker 1>and discussion that Tamara didn't actually just kill her victims,

642
00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:12.160
<v Speaker 1>but since she had boiled the head and hands, that

643
00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:14.960
<v Speaker 1>she actually practiced cannibalism as well.

644
00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:18.680
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I was wondering this and I have no idea why,

645
00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:20.279
<v Speaker 2>but I was like, oh, Ben's doing this case, so

646
00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:24.799
<v Speaker 2>it obviously doesn't. But I cannot, I literally cannot get

647
00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:26.960
<v Speaker 2>the visual out of my brain of this woman just

648
00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:29.880
<v Speaker 2>carrying a fucking pot out of the apartment now and

649
00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:30.759
<v Speaker 2>going to the dumpster.

650
00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:33.400
<v Speaker 1>There is CCTV footage you can watch, and there is

651
00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:37.799
<v Speaker 1>like frame shots and everything screenshots. Sorry wow, And yeah,

652
00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:41.119
<v Speaker 1>there's photos I saw of her fucking carrying the pot.

653
00:32:41.519 --> 00:32:44.319
<v Speaker 2>That is so fucked And did she just like throw

654
00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:46.759
<v Speaker 2>the whole damn pot in the dumpster, just like literally

655
00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:48.920
<v Speaker 2>tip it upside down and empty, and then go make

656
00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:52.480
<v Speaker 2>a fucking batch of soup later. Like what the fuck?

657
00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:56.599
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Well, according to this, it's possible that

658
00:32:56.680 --> 00:32:58.000
<v Speaker 1>she made a batch of soup.

659
00:32:57.839 --> 00:32:59.839
<v Speaker 2>With the remains. Wow.

660
00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:03.839
<v Speaker 1>So even when discussed about the possibility of cannibalism with

661
00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:06.319
<v Speaker 1>the authorities, when they're oppressed with the possibility of it,

662
00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:10.160
<v Speaker 1>they responded by simply saying, quote, it is not excluded.

663
00:33:10.759 --> 00:33:13.960
<v Speaker 2>Huh okay, yeah.

664
00:33:14.440 --> 00:33:18.559
<v Speaker 1>Now, Tamara would continue to help investigators with much of

665
00:33:18.559 --> 00:33:21.960
<v Speaker 1>the investigation, and she would even help answers with the

666
00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:24.680
<v Speaker 1>biggest question like why.

667
00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:25.720
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's good.

668
00:33:26.480 --> 00:33:31.000
<v Speaker 1>So she explained that she had a quote maniac upstairs

669
00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:36.319
<v Speaker 1>who is responsible for pushing her to murder people. So

670
00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:38.680
<v Speaker 1>when it came to Valentina, she did actually like her,

671
00:33:38.759 --> 00:33:41.599
<v Speaker 1>She did actually enjoy your company. In fact, her company

672
00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:46.160
<v Speaker 1>generally drowned out the voice of the maniac in her head,

673
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:49.799
<v Speaker 1>which is why she didn't want to move out when requested,

674
00:33:49.839 --> 00:33:52.079
<v Speaker 1>and why she was so adamant she wanted to stay.

675
00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:54.799
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, okay, that's a bit sad.

676
00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:58.279
<v Speaker 1>Yes. So however, in the end, the turmoil led to

677
00:33:58.279 --> 00:34:01.680
<v Speaker 1>the voice returning, and well we know how that played

678
00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:06.319
<v Speaker 1>it yet, So on July twenty ninth, twenty fifteen, Tamara

679
00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:09.840
<v Speaker 1>was brought into a district court of Saint Petersburg where

680
00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:15.079
<v Speaker 1>she would undergo questioning in a forensic psychiatric examination. It'll

681
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:17.519
<v Speaker 1>be a little while later during her trial in November

682
00:34:17.559 --> 00:34:20.400
<v Speaker 1>twenty sixth, twenty fifteen, that the results would determine that

683
00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:25.360
<v Speaker 1>she was a danger to society and herself you don't say, yeah,

684
00:34:25.400 --> 00:34:30.000
<v Speaker 1>and that she was most likely suffering from schizophrenia. So

685
00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:34.199
<v Speaker 1>she was then placed into a specialized institution until the

686
00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:39.840
<v Speaker 1>end of the investigation. So that is her sentencing. Okay,

687
00:34:40.039 --> 00:34:45.079
<v Speaker 1>she was never sentenced to prison time yet after the

688
00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:48.880
<v Speaker 1>investigation occurs, I'm sure there will be another court case

689
00:34:48.880 --> 00:34:52.199
<v Speaker 1>against it and sentencing actually happening, But for now she

690
00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:56.760
<v Speaker 1>is in the institution until the investigation is over. So

691
00:34:56.880 --> 00:34:59.679
<v Speaker 1>Tamara never really denied any claims of murder against her.

692
00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:02.280
<v Speaker 1>In fact, she agreed that she needs to be punished

693
00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:04.840
<v Speaker 1>for her crimes. And in the court case, the judge

694
00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:07.280
<v Speaker 1>was like, how should I punish you? And she's like,

695
00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:09.599
<v Speaker 1>you know what I did, and I think you should

696
00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:13.239
<v Speaker 1>punish me. Accordingly, like she just owned it. She just yeah,

697
00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:13.800
<v Speaker 1>this is it.

698
00:35:14.519 --> 00:35:16.599
<v Speaker 2>And did she kind of say that after she'd gotten

699
00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:18.880
<v Speaker 2>some of the help and maybe like was on the

700
00:35:18.920 --> 00:35:22.199
<v Speaker 2>medication she needed though, or I mean like right at

701
00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:22.719
<v Speaker 2>the beginning.

702
00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:25.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, this whole time, she's had the same attitude.

703
00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:29.440
<v Speaker 1>She's doing the crimes. She knows they're wrong, and she

704
00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:31.800
<v Speaker 1>does have remorse for doing it, and she knows she

705
00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:34.440
<v Speaker 1>needs to be punished. So give her props to not

706
00:35:34.519 --> 00:35:37.519
<v Speaker 1>being like, no, I don't deserve jail time or I've

707
00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:40.079
<v Speaker 1>got this ailment and it shouldn't like I need to

708
00:35:40.119 --> 00:35:42.840
<v Speaker 1>go to an institution instead. No, She's just like, yeah,

709
00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:47.920
<v Speaker 1>you do you. I understand the troubles I've caused with

710
00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:50.719
<v Speaker 1>society and the dangers I'm putting people in. You need

711
00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:51.639
<v Speaker 1>to do something with me.

712
00:35:51.920 --> 00:35:55.199
<v Speaker 2>She's accepting the consequences that she needs to be faced with.

713
00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:58.119
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, she definitely does. And in fact, she kind

714
00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:03.360
<v Speaker 1>of like even aplauded them. Well, actually she literally applauded them.

715
00:36:03.719 --> 00:36:05.760
<v Speaker 1>When it was announced that she'd be held in custody

716
00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:10.000
<v Speaker 1>indefinitely during the investigation. She literally clapped in the courtroom.

717
00:36:11.199 --> 00:36:15.039
<v Speaker 2>Wow. It's almost like she was at that point just

718
00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:18.360
<v Speaker 2>like okay, like I need help, Like let's let's just

719
00:36:18.400 --> 00:36:19.000
<v Speaker 2>get me help.

720
00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:21.920
<v Speaker 1>And I think she knew what she was. She knew

721
00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:24.880
<v Speaker 1>that she had this monster living in her head and

722
00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:28.360
<v Speaker 1>she couldn't control it, and she knows that someone needs

723
00:36:28.360 --> 00:36:30.320
<v Speaker 1>to control her otherwise it's going to keep happening.

724
00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:32.559
<v Speaker 2>It's just going to keep murdering people or her body

725
00:36:32.599 --> 00:36:35.119
<v Speaker 2>though at this point can't really do it anymore though,

726
00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:37.239
<v Speaker 2>So that's kind of why she was given up too.

727
00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:38.920
<v Speaker 2>I think she's almost seventy years old.

728
00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:42.440
<v Speaker 1>Maybe now. There are a couple more pieces that I

729
00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:45.400
<v Speaker 1>want to add to this. They may be irrelevant, and

730
00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:47.159
<v Speaker 1>most likely are, but I do feel that they are

731
00:36:47.199 --> 00:36:50.559
<v Speaker 1>important to include. A neighbor of Tamaras would actually come

732
00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:52.760
<v Speaker 1>forward a little while later and claim that she also

733
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:56.519
<v Speaker 1>had an unusual fascination with a serial killer, a man

734
00:36:56.559 --> 00:37:00.119
<v Speaker 1>by the name of Andrea Chikatillo. Now Andre would as

735
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:03.239
<v Speaker 1>a Soviet killer who was nicknamed the Butcher of Rostov.

736
00:37:03.719 --> 00:37:08.360
<v Speaker 1>He apparently sexual assaulted, murdered, and mutilated at least fifty

737
00:37:08.599 --> 00:37:11.960
<v Speaker 1>two women and children between nineteen seventy eight and nineteen

738
00:37:12.039 --> 00:37:13.880
<v Speaker 1>ninety Brutal and sorry.

739
00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:17.119
<v Speaker 2>Tamara had a facet or who had a fascination.

740
00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:21.480
<v Speaker 1>The neighbor reported that Tamara had this fascinating Yes, okay.

741
00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:25.679
<v Speaker 1>There are also reports of Tamara having interests in the

742
00:37:25.719 --> 00:37:29.119
<v Speaker 1>occult things like Tara cards, for example, were found amongst

743
00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:32.440
<v Speaker 1>many of her belongings. Now, most likely these things have

744
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:36.000
<v Speaker 1>nothing to do with their crime. In like, interest in

745
00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:38.440
<v Speaker 1>these and like this specific sort of things don't necessarily

746
00:37:38.480 --> 00:37:40.599
<v Speaker 1>say anything. Like people can argue the same fact. We

747
00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:42.559
<v Speaker 1>have a true crime podcast, we talk about murders and

748
00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:45.239
<v Speaker 1>kills and like all this sort of strange shit. They

749
00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:47.599
<v Speaker 1>can throw that in our face too, but we're like,

750
00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:49.400
<v Speaker 1>it's different, right, Yeah, you can.

751
00:37:49.360 --> 00:37:51.880
<v Speaker 2>Have different interests. That doesn't necessarily mean you're a serial

752
00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:52.880
<v Speaker 2>killer exactly.

753
00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:55.000
<v Speaker 1>So it's not necessary that they have anything to do

754
00:37:55.079 --> 00:37:59.119
<v Speaker 1>with this. However, I think, coupled with her specific psychiatric disorder,

755
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:02.599
<v Speaker 1>it may have all just been a recipe for disaster

756
00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:05.480
<v Speaker 1>without her even knowing it. Right, It may have just

757
00:38:05.559 --> 00:38:08.000
<v Speaker 1>fed that maniac upstairs.

758
00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:09.280
<v Speaker 2>Huh.

759
00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:13.079
<v Speaker 1>But who's to say now? It is unfortunate. This is

760
00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:16.280
<v Speaker 1>the end of Tamara's story for now, as she is

761
00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:19.400
<v Speaker 1>still being investigated in the connection for a total of

762
00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:26.079
<v Speaker 1>fourteen murders, eleven of which were very detailed and described

763
00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:27.039
<v Speaker 1>in her diary.

764
00:38:27.760 --> 00:38:33.519
<v Speaker 2>Wow, holy shit. Okay, the fact that she was able

765
00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:37.639
<v Speaker 2>to get away with that many especially with it's just

766
00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:40.119
<v Speaker 2>a while, with them being so connected to her as

767
00:38:40.159 --> 00:38:43.880
<v Speaker 2>like her roommate. Yeah, that's bizarre to me because did

768
00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:46.400
<v Speaker 2>these people who were her roommates not have like friends

769
00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:49.440
<v Speaker 2>or family outside of her? That because you think at

770
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:52.760
<v Speaker 2>some point, like you'd connect that all these people that

771
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:55.639
<v Speaker 2>lived with her are now missing. Yeah, and that just

772
00:38:55.679 --> 00:38:57.159
<v Speaker 2>never got connected.

773
00:38:57.320 --> 00:38:59.519
<v Speaker 1>It depends on who she welcomes in his roommates. And

774
00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:01.159
<v Speaker 1>one of the things that I'm surprised is that many

775
00:39:01.159 --> 00:39:03.800
<v Speaker 1>of the people in the complex just assume these people

776
00:39:03.840 --> 00:39:06.119
<v Speaker 1>are moving out. They just all of a sudden never

777
00:39:06.159 --> 00:39:09.000
<v Speaker 1>see him again. So, oh, this person just must have

778
00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:09.800
<v Speaker 1>moved out, I guess.

779
00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:10.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh.

780
00:39:10.039 --> 00:39:12.119
<v Speaker 1>And then a year later, Oh, this other person just

781
00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:13.559
<v Speaker 1>must have moved out. I guess.

782
00:39:13.840 --> 00:39:16.239
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, you don't necessarily just go to the

783
00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:19.039
<v Speaker 2>fact that you think they're getting murdered. I don't know,

784
00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:20.760
<v Speaker 2>it'd probably take me a little bit of time too

785
00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:22.719
<v Speaker 2>to really be questioning that.

786
00:39:23.079 --> 00:39:27.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but the potential of fourteen other murders, and it

787
00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:30.599
<v Speaker 1>occurred over the span of approximately fifteen years, so that's

788
00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:34.960
<v Speaker 1>almost a murder per year. So that's every year not

789
00:39:35.199 --> 00:39:38.679
<v Speaker 1>seeing someone leave or move out.

790
00:39:39.320 --> 00:39:42.880
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, you would never see them like physically moving out.

791
00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:45.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, none of their stuff is leaving. You just see

792
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:47.320
<v Speaker 1>her probably hauling a bunch of shit.

793
00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:50.880
<v Speaker 2>Out huh at two in the morning. Yeah in Pots

794
00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:53.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah in Pots Wow, I mean I would question that

795
00:39:53.920 --> 00:39:57.239
<v Speaker 2>for sure. That's terrifying. But then also where she was living,

796
00:39:57.599 --> 00:40:00.280
<v Speaker 2>there could be a lot of I don't know word,

797
00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:02.639
<v Speaker 2>but a lot of movement in there too, like people

798
00:40:03.039 --> 00:40:06.000
<v Speaker 2>not necessarily living there that whole fifteen years or whatever.

799
00:40:06.159 --> 00:40:09.239
<v Speaker 1>Right, So, and I do want to mention as well,

800
00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:13.239
<v Speaker 1>it is unknown about her husband. Her husband is still missing,

801
00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:15.559
<v Speaker 1>and there is no as far as I'm aware, because

802
00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:19.639
<v Speaker 1>investigations are still ongoing. Yeah, there is no connection between

803
00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:22.719
<v Speaker 1>her and her husband's disappearance yet, huh.

804
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:25.360
<v Speaker 2>You know I always struggle with these ones. I mean, gosh,

805
00:40:25.400 --> 00:40:27.519
<v Speaker 2>I feel like most serial killers though, would have some

806
00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:30.360
<v Speaker 2>sort of mental illness, right, because it's not normal to

807
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:33.840
<v Speaker 2>be doing that. But I always sometimes like, oh, I struggle.

808
00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:37.239
<v Speaker 2>It's almost like a weird struggle in me that I'm like, oh,

809
00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:40.519
<v Speaker 2>she needed help, But then also like she's a literal monster.

810
00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:45.199
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, but at the very least she understands she

811
00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:45.760
<v Speaker 1>needs help.

812
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:49.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not much, but it's something I do. It's

813
00:40:49.960 --> 00:40:52.519
<v Speaker 2>kind of satisfying, is how this ended, in the fact

814
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:56.239
<v Speaker 2>that she's like literally willing to take the consequences like

815
00:40:56.280 --> 00:40:57.599
<v Speaker 2>that kind of that's good.

816
00:40:58.079 --> 00:41:00.840
<v Speaker 1>That is good. It's not satisfying that word, and I

817
00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:05.159
<v Speaker 1>don't think you meant like that, but yeah, it's it's good.

818
00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:07.559
<v Speaker 1>That's a better way how you said it there, It's good.

819
00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:08.840
<v Speaker 1>That's a good Yeah. I agree with that.

820
00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:11.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because a lot of them they just or they'll

821
00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:13.920
<v Speaker 2>take all their killings to the grave, and then people

822
00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:16.440
<v Speaker 2>that they did harm don't have like their friends and

823
00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:18.320
<v Speaker 2>family don't have the closure, right exactly.

824
00:41:18.440 --> 00:41:21.880
<v Speaker 1>No, Yeah, he make a very good point. Yeah, So

825
00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:24.639
<v Speaker 1>that's that's the Granny Ripper. That's a it was a

826
00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:28.360
<v Speaker 1>wild interesting case to research the possibility that she has

827
00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:33.599
<v Speaker 1>another fourteen victims. Yes, and that's only known as well,

828
00:41:33.679 --> 00:41:36.199
<v Speaker 1>So who knows how how many else there are.

829
00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:39.119
<v Speaker 2>Did that case get recommended or did you come across

830
00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:39.480
<v Speaker 2>that one?

831
00:41:39.559 --> 00:41:40.480
<v Speaker 1>I came across that one.

832
00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:44.079
<v Speaker 2>Actually, I've never heard anything about that. And it's weird

833
00:41:44.079 --> 00:41:46.760
<v Speaker 2>because it's pretty like the results and stuff and her

834
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:48.159
<v Speaker 2>getting caught or it's pretty recent.

835
00:41:48.320 --> 00:41:50.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it was within this past decade.

836
00:41:50.320 --> 00:41:54.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so huh yeah, well done. That would have been

837
00:41:54.519 --> 00:41:56.079
<v Speaker 2>very interesting to research.

838
00:41:56.679 --> 00:41:58.840
<v Speaker 1>It was. And when it came to the part of

839
00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:00.880
<v Speaker 1>her actually being like, oh fuck, yeah, I did this

840
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:03.880
<v Speaker 1>and I'm just owning it and I'm gonna reenact for

841
00:42:03.960 --> 00:42:07.280
<v Speaker 1>you how this occurred, I was like, fucking excuse me,

842
00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:10.840
<v Speaker 1>this is this is happening right now. Yeah. And as

843
00:42:10.840 --> 00:42:13.440
<v Speaker 1>you were talking about, like it would have been fascinating

844
00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:15.239
<v Speaker 1>to be there for reenactment. It would have.

845
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:18.960
<v Speaker 2>It would fly on the wall in that Yes, not because.

846
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<v Speaker 1>I want to see like, oh, how did you murder

847
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<v Speaker 1>the person? I want to see how she talks about it,

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<v Speaker 1>how disassociated she is, or maybe she was very aware

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<v Speaker 1>because she is like, yeah, I'm a monster. You need

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<v Speaker 1>to deal with me any discipline, any punishment, and you

851
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<v Speaker 1>need to be locked away. Maybe she was very connected

852
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<v Speaker 1>with it. Maybe she was very remorseful during it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But even how you said, like there's potential like

854
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<v Speaker 2>she might have got rolled up or a little excited

855
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<v Speaker 2>at times and stuff. I mean, the psychology behind serial

856
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<v Speaker 2>killers and how their brains work is a little bit fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>It is so wow.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that would be a job and a half

859
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<v Speaker 2>a to be like a detective or an investigator for

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<v Speaker 2>some a crime like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh it would be especially.

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<v Speaker 2>Too because you have your your criminal like actually divulging

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<v Speaker 2>information rather than you like having to try to fill

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<v Speaker 2>in all the blanks and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So wow, Yeah, it takes well, it literally takes a

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<v Speaker 1>guesswork out of it. Oh. I wonder if investigators were

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<v Speaker 1>like and I don't think they would, but I could

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<v Speaker 1>just like picture it because like CSI sort of characters

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff kind of would paint this picture in my head.

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<v Speaker 1>But like they're going like walk into the scene with

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<v Speaker 1>her like oh yeah, we're going to reenact this. We're

872
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<v Speaker 1>carrying the dummy, and it's like, well, this is my

873
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<v Speaker 1>theory and how she did it, and like this is

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<v Speaker 1>my theory. Oh you want to bet And it's like

875
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<v Speaker 1>when she does this, and all of a sudden, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like one investigator hand twenty bucks over to the other guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Like god, I feels like they're betting on how this

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<v Speaker 1>played out, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>But then also I feel like in these kinds of situations,

880
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<v Speaker 2>you still have to be careful because they could literally

881
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<v Speaker 2>be just telling you whatever the fuck they want, Like

882
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<v Speaker 2>they could still be so fucked up that they're just

883
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<v Speaker 2>like making sit up too.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, but no, like everything she detailed matched every

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<v Speaker 1>piece of evidence, for example, like the very obvious piece

886
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<v Speaker 1>to show issues like yeah, I took the head and

887
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<v Speaker 1>hands boiling the pot, took the pot out, and then

888
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<v Speaker 1>CCTV footage shows her carrying a fucking pot out Like

889
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<v Speaker 1>that's a very specific piece, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, huh huh, well done. That's fascinating. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a stewing on this one for a while. Stewing.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a really that was a really poor choice of

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<v Speaker 2>words there. Fuck. Okay, yeah, we're not eating stew for

894
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<v Speaker 2>a while.

895
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<v Speaker 1>Why not?

896
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<v Speaker 2>God girls?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah, so I'm just gonna go on, say, just

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<v Speaker 1>next time you think of what a serial serial killer

899
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<v Speaker 1>could be, maybe uh, just think about the Granny Ripper

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<v Speaker 1>and think maybe what we perceive it to be on

901
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<v Speaker 1>a regular basis is uh a little more than just that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So, anyways, thank you for being here. We appreciate you

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah we love that you're here, We really do.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So anyways, until next time, Until next time, stay wicked.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a weird one.

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<v Speaker 2>That was really weird, but it worked.