Speaker 1: When you think of a serial killer, what comes to mind?
Speaker 1: A large, mysterious figure shrouded in black maybe, or perhaps
Speaker 1: an unhinged man who leaves behind a trail of blood
Speaker 1: in his wake. What about someone well past their prime
Speaker 1: and into retirement, someone small and frail. What about someone
Speaker 1: referred to as the Granny Ripper in Russia? The Granny
Speaker 1: Ripper would kill in the shadows for years without people
Speaker 1: even knowing it. In fact, her exact victim count is
Speaker 1: still unknown. So when I say serial killer, what comes
Speaker 1: to mind? There is no wrong answer, But the best
Speaker 1: answer could probably be anyone.
Speaker 2: My name's Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening to
Speaker 2: Wicked and Grim, a true crime podcast.
Speaker 1: The following material intend more mature audience listener discretion. Here's
Speaker 1: a good chance they're gonna bug us during the actual show.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's full force mosquito season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have a few in our tiny home right now.
Speaker 1: So if all of a sudden, Nicole lake Spaz is out,
Speaker 1: it's probably because the mosquito tried to fly in her mouth.
Speaker 2: So probably that's already happened once.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So how's it going? What's up? Welcome back to
Speaker 1: Wicked and.
Speaker 2: Grim, a true crime podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that was a dope intro, wasn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have to take a moment. That intro was
Speaker 2: like one of the best. I think.
Speaker 1: I'm proud of that one.
Speaker 2: Well done.
Speaker 1: I wrote that super quick too, yeah, like with.
Speaker 2: It probably a few minutes. Yeah, and it was like
Speaker 2: the best one we've gone, I think so. And I've
Speaker 2: probably sent like ten or fifteen minutes before online. So
Speaker 2: thank well.
Speaker 1: And I read that one to you and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I got a damn good intro this time. And I
Speaker 1: read it to you and you were just like wow.
Speaker 2: What did I No, I didn't say that. I think
Speaker 2: there was like dope.
Speaker 1: Nope, you said dope later, but your first reacting was
Speaker 1: like wow.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah it was good. It was really good. It
Speaker 2: was like, okay, so I should just be afraid of
Speaker 2: everyone pretty much.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean theoretically you should because people suck. So yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my god, long story short.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you never know sometimes. I mean, like we've had like,
Speaker 2: for example, the bar being Ken Killers, like they're they
Speaker 2: were like a really attractive, like nice looking couple, nice
Speaker 2: looking and nice from like fixterior right came across as
Speaker 2: that way and they were horrid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that being said, there is there are good
Speaker 1: people out there too. There are good people, so not
Speaker 1: everyone sucks. But I think humans as a species suck.
Speaker 2: There are more good people than bad in my opinion.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I agree with that.
Speaker 2: Well, when I say bad, I mean like cereal.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, definitely, Okay.
Speaker 2: Could you imagine if more than half people are cereal?
Speaker 1: God fucked? Yeah? Well, I mean if the world ever
Speaker 1: goes to an apocalypse, I think then the numbers would switch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh goshcha.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is why I think humans suck, because we
Speaker 1: would just do whatever. We'd just like we suck, you know.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I would just be like every man for
Speaker 2: themselves exactly, which every man, every woman, every person.
Speaker 1: Which else is terrible? Yeah yeah, I don't know. But
Speaker 1: there are some really cool people out there, Like I said,
Speaker 1: like patrons, for example, because they're really cool, they support us.
Speaker 2: How are you shifting this?
Speaker 1: Okay, Our patrons don't suck. Our patrons are not awesome,
Speaker 1: They're awesome. So patrons, we do have to shout out
Speaker 1: this week. And I do have someone with a name
Speaker 1: from like a completely different language. I don't know, if
Speaker 1: it's like Swedish or something. So I am really gonna
Speaker 1: try here, but I'm probably gonna butcher it. So I
Speaker 1: am so.
Speaker 2: Sorry, but your practicing sounded all right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that was like twenty minutes ago, and now
Speaker 1: I forgot I'm practicing. So I'm gonna try it. Let's
Speaker 1: see what we got. So first and foremost, we're starting
Speaker 1: with that one. It's Krefna Byork sigvaladori sigvalatory, Okay, something
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: Awesome.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say b York because that's the one name
Speaker 1: out of there I do ye how to say. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna refer to you as Bork b Yorke. Thank
Speaker 1: you for signing up and thank you for putting me
Speaker 1: that challenge. We also have Natalie Stratton, Oliver, Nicole Auxton,
Speaker 1: Daisy Lawn, lil Back, Kellen, and Kennedy Aunt.
Speaker 2: Nice. Was there Nicole in there?
Speaker 1: There wasn't Nicole Cole Oxton?
Speaker 2: Nice name, right, it's a good name.
Speaker 1: Nichole's it all right name?
Speaker 2: It's pretty dope. I actually feel like you don't run
Speaker 2: it into a lot of Nicholes, especially younger. I think
Speaker 2: it's not it's not really a name people are naming
Speaker 2: their kids now, like, who are having babies now? I
Speaker 2: haven't seen any.
Speaker 1: I think it's more of like a millennial name.
Speaker 2: Yeah, good old millennials. There's nothing wrong with us.
Speaker 1: What about my name Ben? How many Bens do you
Speaker 1: run across nowadays? Yeah?
Speaker 2: But yours is slight rarity because it's not actually Benjamin.
Speaker 2: That's true, just Ben. Like on your birth stift it's Ben.
Speaker 1: Wow. Way to just tell people my identity so they
Speaker 1: can fucking steal shit. Now, they're just gonna go out
Speaker 1: there and just steal my identity because they know the.
Speaker 2: Real name because you put it out there.
Speaker 1: My real name is Nicole Touche. But yeah, no, it's
Speaker 1: it's Ben, not Benjamin. My parents are like, if we're
Speaker 1: going to call you Ben, but name you Benjamin. What's
Speaker 1: the point. We're just going to put Ben on your
Speaker 1: birth certificate because that's where we're going to call you.
Speaker 2: Very logical, I guess, Yeah, makes sense.
Speaker 1: There's a mosquito by your head? Ah, get them?
Speaker 2: Oh shit, I didn't get them.
Speaker 1: No. Summing up, Yeah, she's going to be back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'll disturb us again for sure.
Speaker 1: In the meantime, what we're waiting for me to come back.
Speaker 1: Let's get on with the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, after that intro, I mean, the bar pretty
Speaker 2: high for it.
Speaker 1: And this is a high as I said, this is
Speaker 1: the Granny Ripper.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's quite a name.
Speaker 1: So it all starts off with the woman by the
Speaker 1: name of Tamara Mitrofanova Samsonova was born on April twenty fifth,
Speaker 1: nineteen forty seven, in the city of Yusa, Russia. Nice
Speaker 1: So she lived a relatively normal life growing up. She
Speaker 1: graduated high school and moved over to Moscow and attended university.
Speaker 1: From there, she would find herself moving to Saint Petersburg
Speaker 1: and falling in love. She would marry the man of
Speaker 1: her dreams name Alexei Samsonova. In nineteen seventy one. The
Speaker 1: married couple moved into apartment they had purchased together over
Speaker 1: on Dmitrov Street. Life was good for the two of them.
Speaker 1: They built their future together and they were just living
Speaker 1: it out together. Tamara would eventually work for a company
Speaker 1: called in Tourist, which is a Russian travel agency and
Speaker 1: she was employed in one of their hotels and from
Speaker 1: there she would retire after a while of giving sixteen
Speaker 1: years of her life to that career.
Speaker 2: Wow, it's a good chunk of time.
Speaker 1: Sixteen years is a good chunk of time, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming she worked elsewhere as well prior to but
Speaker 1: that's kind of like where she retired from, and that's
Speaker 1: where she spent most of her time. Okay, but her
Speaker 1: career life and her husband isn't really the focus of
Speaker 1: this story. It really begins in the year two thousand one.
Speaker 1: Morning Tamara would make a call to the local police
Speaker 1: and report her husband missing. She begged for them to
Speaker 1: help and was desperate to find her husband. However, it
Speaker 1: seemed no matter what the authorities did in their search,
Speaker 1: it was fruitless. There seemed to be no trace of
Speaker 1: him anywhere, no matter where they looked and how Tamara
Speaker 1: tried to help them find her husband, time began to
Speaker 1: take away. Days were passing by, and the days turned
Speaker 1: into weeks, and the weeks would turn into months, and
Speaker 1: those months turned into a year. Tamara began to suspect
Speaker 1: that her husband had run off with another woman and
Speaker 1: left her behind. So in two thousand and one, Tamara
Speaker 1: was alone and she could use some extra income and company,
Speaker 1: so she decided to rent out one of the rooms
Speaker 1: in her apartment. Okay, so she opened her home to
Speaker 1: a man named Vladimir, who rented the space. The two
Speaker 1: quickly became good housemates. But as many of the roommates
Speaker 1: out there potentially listening right now can understand, living in
Speaker 1: close quarters with people and having these roommates can tend
Speaker 1: to lead to disagreements.
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I mean even like husband and wife.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, exactly, well, husband and wife, technically that is
Speaker 1: a roommates.
Speaker 2: It is your laundry please, yes, And I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, what the fuck are you doing with your bag?
Speaker 1: Why is it on the counter? Or your purse should
Speaker 1: be hung up over there, let's not open these cans?
Speaker 2: Yeah, right now.
Speaker 1: But definitely living in close quarters with someone living in
Speaker 1: the same house it can bring up quarrels. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: butt heads.
Speaker 2: It's not easy.
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's it's not abnormal, I mean, and honestly
Speaker 1: it's not unhealthy necessarily either, Like disagreeing in arguments, it's
Speaker 1: kind of natural, and it's a good way of actually
Speaker 1: working things out. It's how you deal with them that's important, right.
Speaker 2: I mean, even living with yourself, you would probably argue
Speaker 2: and be like, what the Fuck's wrong with you? Why
Speaker 2: is the hell such a mess? And like, you know,
Speaker 2: why are.
Speaker 1: You waking up at eleven o'clock and watching Netflix till
Speaker 1: eleven pm? And that sort of stuff. You didn't do
Speaker 1: anything today?
Speaker 2: What the hell?
Speaker 1: Yeap? Eat your fruits and vegetables. That's when I have
Speaker 1: a rush on me all the time? Fight with yeah. Anyways,
Speaker 1: we digress. They're arguing though in this case, that became
Speaker 1: more and more frequent, and after about a year, Vladimir
Speaker 1: decided that it was time for him to move out
Speaker 1: and move on. So after that, tamarowby once again looking
Speaker 1: for a roommate, and this time around she found forty
Speaker 1: four year old man sorry who went by the name
Speaker 1: of Ladya. There is some reports that I found that
Speaker 1: this man's actual name is Sarahi Potin. However, those are unconfirmed.
Speaker 1: Most accounts that I found, they just simply referred to
Speaker 1: them as vlaudyat okay. So she had a new tenant
Speaker 1: and the same problems would eventually arise between the two
Speaker 1: of them. Disagreements and arguments would begin to occur. Other
Speaker 1: tenants in the complex would also report sounds of yelling
Speaker 1: between the two and even banging on the apartment radiator
Speaker 1: and air conditioning unit.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in the hallways. There was even witnesses of Tamara
Speaker 1: screaming at Vladya, and the relationship was sour and more
Speaker 1: and more sour as time went on.
Speaker 2: Well, there's disagreements, but that sounds like it might be
Speaker 2: a bit much, exactly.
Speaker 1: It sounds like there's disagreements, but disagreements that they can't
Speaker 1: improve upon, right, which improving upon is a big part
Speaker 1: of it, right. Disagreeing is not bad, it's getting constructive
Speaker 1: with it. So it seemed like it got to the
Speaker 1: point of being a daily occurrence until one day in
Speaker 1: September of two thousand and three, it stopped. Tamara once
Speaker 1: again didn't seem to have a roommate anymore, as no
Speaker 1: one saw Vlaudia any longer, and they just kind of
Speaker 1: assumed that he had moved out of the complex and
Speaker 1: moved on couldn't stand to mareor anymore. It would become
Speaker 1: the theme that many people in the complex would witness
Speaker 1: over the next decade or so. A new roommate would
Speaker 1: move in, arguments occurred, and then the roommate would move out.
Speaker 2: I'm almost surprised. I was kind of more so expecting
Speaker 2: that one of them would become like a love interest
Speaker 2: of sorts.
Speaker 1: No, no, not so much. Yeah, well, it was more
Speaker 1: so just a situation of having some company and extra
Speaker 1: income in the house. Right. So in March of twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: Tamara was no longer able to take in any more roommates.
Speaker 1: Her apartment was in serious need us some renovations, so
Speaker 1: while contracting company was working on her place, she was
Speaker 1: forced to find a room of her own to rent
Speaker 1: and become the roommate herself.
Speaker 2: And sorry, this is twenty fifteen now correct. Oh wow, okay,
Speaker 2: this is like pretty recent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, relatively.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: Luckily, she would be introduced to seventy nine year old
Speaker 1: Valentina nikola Evna Yulanova by a mutual friend of theirs.
Speaker 1: Valentina just so happened to also live on Dmitriev Street,
Speaker 1: so when she agreed, it was kind of a nice
Speaker 1: little situation. She's like, yeah, I'm gonna let you move
Speaker 1: in and you can live here for a while, and
Speaker 1: it was going to be fantastic. The movie isn't too
Speaker 1: far away ideal basically, yeah, yeah, Now, the deal was,
Speaker 1: though she wasn't moving in, just free of charge. It
Speaker 1: would be that she would actually help out with chores
Speaker 1: with Valentina, as Valentina was beginning to have troubles in
Speaker 1: her older age. She's seventy nine, she's kind of getting
Speaker 1: more and more frail on her own and everything, so
Speaker 1: she needed someone to help out around the house. Makes sense, yeap,
Speaker 1: So she's going to move in. I don't know if
Speaker 1: there was a monetary exchange, but the deal that I
Speaker 1: do know of help her around the house and you
Speaker 1: can live with me as a roomate for a while
Speaker 1: while your place is under construction, if you will. And
Speaker 1: now this again, though, would end up just like any
Speaker 1: other living arrangement that Tamara had with anyone else. Arguments
Speaker 1: and disagreements became prevalent. It would be several months before
Speaker 1: they got to the point where Valentina would eventually no
Speaker 1: longer be able to take it, and she asked Tamara
Speaker 1: to move out. It was just too much. This spelled
Speaker 1: trouble for Tamara. She didn't even have her apartment to
Speaker 1: move back into yet, and despite the yet again disagreements
Speaker 1: and troubles, Tamara actually liked staying with Valentina, so she
Speaker 1: just ignored the request and continued staying there anyways.
Speaker 2: Okay, so it's kind of seeming like she's maybe the problem.
Speaker 1: Well, if you get to the point where it seems
Speaker 1: like everyone else is the problem, you might want to
Speaker 1: think about that it's probably you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it might. It might be some self reflection
Speaker 2: needed right there. Yeah, and especially where she's in a
Speaker 2: situation where she like needs this, like she doesn't have
Speaker 2: anywhere to go. Yeah, you think that you just kind
Speaker 2: of be able to pull up your socks here and
Speaker 2: make this work until your apartment was ready. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: or you just fucking keep being the same way and
Speaker 2: just stay there anyway, even though the other person wants
Speaker 2: you out and it's their home.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I do kind of want to play Devil's advocates
Speaker 1: because I know, like the older I get. I'm not
Speaker 1: super old yet thirty five, but the older I get,
Speaker 1: the less I care about what other people think.
Speaker 2: Yes, but that's almost like a kind thing, because this
Speaker 2: person's like doing you a favor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. That's true.
Speaker 2: I feel like if you were living with somebody else
Speaker 2: in the intern, like you would be pretty nice to them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but people get stuck in their own ways, and
Speaker 1: you know, heads clashing. It's like, well, I, for example,
Speaker 1: it could be like, well I make coffee at six o'clock.
Speaker 1: Well I only have coffee at seven o'clock. And it's like,
Speaker 1: but by the time I go to make my coffee
Speaker 1: at seven o'clock, now there's old, stale coffee in there
Speaker 1: from your six o'clock coffee, and I got to clean
Speaker 1: up the coffee maker that I cleaned the night before.
Speaker 2: Like little shit like that does sound like you Wow,
Speaker 2: I'm just kidding, don't. I don't drink coffee, so we
Speaker 2: don't have a coffee issue in this house.
Speaker 1: But just those little things of like people in their
Speaker 1: older age being stuck in their ways, becoming bullheaded and
Speaker 1: being like, you know what, fuck you, I drink my
Speaker 1: coffee at six. If you want coffee at seven, clean
Speaker 1: the fucking coffee.
Speaker 2: Make me that new coffee. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I can understand that being a thing when people get
Speaker 1: into an older age. Yeah, because I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: slowly becoming that.
Speaker 2: If I'm being honest, that's that's really exciting for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. You have something to look forward to.
Speaker 2: I'm just like real pump.
Speaker 1: Now, just don't start drinking coffee earlier. Than me. That's
Speaker 1: all you got to worry about. Okay, coffee though, wasn't
Speaker 1: their argument. An argument over some dishes specifically though, would
Speaker 1: bring the topic back on hand and in the forefront
Speaker 1: once again, and Valentina was adamant. This time she needed
Speaker 1: Tamara to leave. But just as this was the last
Speaker 1: draw of Valentina, so was it for Tamara as well.
Speaker 1: It would be on July twenty fourth, twenty fifteen, that
Speaker 1: Tamara would actually travel to Pushkin, Russia, which wasn't too
Speaker 1: far away, where she would visit a pharmacy. Here, she
Speaker 1: managed to persuade the pharmacist to sell her a prescription
Speaker 1: drug called venenza Pan, which was developed in Soviet Russia
Speaker 1: a Soviet Union in nineteen seventy five, and it's used
Speaker 1: as a treatment for various mental disorders. It's like a
Speaker 1: psychiatric schizophrenia treatment and anxiety. It essentially is like a
Speaker 1: mild sedative to help like sooth and calm and relax people.
Speaker 2: Okay, Uh, that seems interesting. You could convince a pharmacist
Speaker 2: to just give that to you.
Speaker 1: Well, there's a little bit of a caveat to it,
Speaker 1: because she was able to convince them, because she apparently,
Speaker 1: in her younger years, had been hospitalized in psychiatric care
Speaker 1: on three separate occasions. Oh okay, Now, what if she
Speaker 1: was diagnosed with anything specifically, I'm unsure.
Speaker 2: Okay, so she might have been like kind of begging them,
Speaker 2: like I need my medication or something, I'm run out.
Speaker 1: And she has a history that she probably took this
Speaker 1: specific drug before. Yeah, so it was relatively makes.
Speaker 2: It makes more sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was an easier battle for her to get
Speaker 1: them to prescribe and give her the medication. And that's
Speaker 1: exactly what happened. The pharmacist gave her the prescription thinking
Speaker 1: it was a reasonable request, and Tamara just went back home.
Speaker 1: So once she arrived at home, she decided to make
Speaker 1: dinner for her roommate, and perhaps she may have played
Speaker 1: it off as a potential peace offering since their arguments. Right,
Speaker 1: I'm not too sure on that, But what we do
Speaker 1: know is the dish that she served was Olivier salad,
Speaker 1: which is one of Valentina's favorite dishes. And it's a
Speaker 1: Russian like salad, like creamy kind of dish or whatever, Okay,
Speaker 1: kind of like I don't think there's any pasta in it,
Speaker 1: but think like our pasta salad. It's like like got
Speaker 1: the vegetables and stuff. It's got like that creaminess to it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And with that dish, Tamara would crush up approximately fifty
Speaker 1: of the prescription pills and mix them into the holy shit,
Speaker 1: fifty fucking tablet Okay.
Speaker 2: Well, also, I'm just like if you just yeah, I wouldn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't expect the pharmacists to give her that many pills.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, okay, I kind of think I was
Speaker 2: thinking this is where this was going to go. But
Speaker 2: that's brutal. Yeah, what the fuck happened? Next?
Speaker 1: Then, well, she served the dinner to Valentina, and the
Speaker 1: two of them enjoyed a nice dinner.
Speaker 2: Oh man.
Speaker 1: Almost directly after dinner, Tamara would go to bed at
Speaker 1: about seven pm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because shit was about to hit the fan and
Speaker 2: she's piecing out.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And after that, she would wake up at about
Speaker 1: two am in the middle of the night or early
Speaker 1: in the morning, however you look at it, and she
Speaker 1: would walk back out of her room and find Valentina
Speaker 1: laying unconscious on the apartment floor.
Speaker 2: Oh man.
Speaker 1: So while Valentina laid there on the floor, still alive,
Speaker 1: because she is currently just unconscious. Tamara leaned over top
Speaker 1: of her and began cutting her throat into capitating her
Speaker 1: with a hacksaw and two kitchen knives.
Speaker 2: Holy shit, that really escalated. Yeah, because at first is like,
Speaker 2: how the fuck you're gonna cover this up? But now
Speaker 2: how the fuck you're going to cover that up?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: That's next level.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, once she made it all the way through
Speaker 1: through her neck, she continued to dismember Valentina's body limb
Speaker 1: by limb, severing her torso into halves and some other
Speaker 1: smaller manageable pieces as well.
Speaker 2: Manageable, that's one way to describe that.
Speaker 1: Well, we do have an older lady. She is sixty
Speaker 1: eight years old at this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah wow, Yeah, okay, I already didn't love her, now
Speaker 2: I really don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, respectable on that front.
Speaker 2: Wow okay, yep.
Speaker 1: It would take Tamara several trips, but she managed to
Speaker 1: package Valentina's body into various plastics and bags and carry
Speaker 1: them out of the complex and strew them around the
Speaker 1: city in an attempt to cover up her crime.
Speaker 2: Yeah okay, I mean, gosh, this is so sad that
Speaker 2: this is like this lady opened her house to this
Speaker 2: woman to just try to get help with cleaning and
Speaker 2: and then ends up dying. Yeah, like that's just not cool.
Speaker 1: No, it's well, any murder is generally not know.
Speaker 2: I'm very disturbed right now by this, just like the
Speaker 2: age and I don't know in the situation, like.
Speaker 1: Wow, Well, and just to clarify once again, so Valentina
Speaker 1: was seventy nine when she was killed and Tamara is
Speaker 1: sixty eight at this point.
Speaker 2: Like to live seventy nine years and then get murdered, like.
Speaker 1: Good god, well, let's be better than being murdered when
Speaker 1: you're like an adolescent at least, that's very true.
Speaker 2: But I'm just like, you live that long and then
Speaker 2: that's the way you go out.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, I'm just playing Devil's advocate
Speaker 1: by saying that again.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean I don't think the death necessarily,
Speaker 2: I don't sure, but I think like, because she was
Speaker 2: kind of in like a Cooma state, I wouldn't have
Speaker 2: hurt necessarily. I don't even know.
Speaker 1: That's really hoping that she didn't feel any of that pain. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but she definitely was still alive when she was being
Speaker 1: dismembered at least to start with. Jeez, So it would
Speaker 1: be only three days later, on July twenty sixth, twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: when a couple was walking their dog around a pond
Speaker 1: and Valentina's remains would be found.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, okay.
Speaker 1: The couple's dog was acting very odd in the walk
Speaker 1: and was extremely interested in something that was in a
Speaker 1: bush along the shallow edge of the water. They decided
Speaker 1: to take a closer look at what their dog was
Speaker 1: trying to go after, and they found the dismembered remains
Speaker 1: of Valentina's body wrapped up in a shower curtain.
Speaker 2: That's brave. I think I'd just be like, let's go.
Speaker 2: I don't want to miss stinky.
Speaker 1: Well, it could be like your dog's interested in like
Speaker 1: a frog hopp it along or something. You're like, oh,
Speaker 1: what are you after their Fidoh and you look and
Speaker 1: all sudden, oh severed leg.
Speaker 2: Like oly shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no thanks, but I can understand how that mistake
Speaker 1: would occur. Police were of course called right away when
Speaker 1: they came upon the scene of, you know, a dismembered
Speaker 1: body in a park, and investigation was issued, so it
Speaker 1: wouldn't be long before the remains were actually identified and
Speaker 1: identified as those of Valentina. Authorities were beginning their investigation
Speaker 1: and started isolating the area and searching for the clues
Speaker 1: and everything. But this would include a door to door
Speaker 1: question like they're knocked around neighborhood doors, asking like, hey,
Speaker 1: have you ever seen anything weird in the neighborhood last
Speaker 1: couple of days, like what's going on? And they would
Speaker 1: arrive at the apartment complex where Valentina lived and they
Speaker 1: would be knocking on doors there and they were asking,
Speaker 1: you know, see any strange, and many the people in
Speaker 1: the complex didn't really see anything strange, but they did
Speaker 1: note they hadn't seen Valentina for the past few days,
Speaker 1: and many of the people in the complex, we're rather close,
Speaker 1: you know, you see people passing in the halls or
Speaker 1: even you know the arguments that you've been hearing through
Speaker 1: the walls recently. Well, I've sudden ceased.
Speaker 2: Say that they probably knew that they kind of had
Speaker 2: a bit of a feisty relationship of.
Speaker 1: Sorts, right, Yeah, so they haven't heard from her, they
Speaker 1: haven't seen her, and things suddenly had gone quiet. You
Speaker 1: look guilty exactly. So with this in mind, they went
Speaker 1: knocking in the door of Valentina's apartment and the door
Speaker 1: opened and they found sixty eight year old Tamara there
Speaker 1: in her apartment. Oh just chilling, just chilling, screening, like,
Speaker 1: s up, it's up, popo, what's going on? What's going down?
Speaker 1: What do you need?
Speaker 2: Watching Netflix? Drink and some tea.
Speaker 1: There you go, living her best life, apparently, to say
Speaker 1: the least, so the police didn't have a hard time
Speaker 1: piecing the puzzle together of what happened from this point.
Speaker 1: A search of the apartment was able to provide traces
Speaker 1: of blood, as well as matching shower curtain fasteners that
Speaker 1: were going along with the ones found wrapping some of
Speaker 1: Valentina's body remains.
Speaker 2: She really didn't give a shit, not so much. She
Speaker 2: would have had the time to kind of like clean
Speaker 2: up and potentially have bought this through if she wanted
Speaker 2: to get away with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well bear with me on that thought, because I
Speaker 1: think you're going to be surprised with how this plays out.
Speaker 2: Oh okay.
Speaker 1: There was also CCTV footage from security cameras on the
Speaker 1: apartment complex, and it showed Tamara making several trips out
Speaker 1: of the building in the middle of the night, carrying
Speaker 1: those various plastic bags coverings, shower curtain.
Speaker 2: Serious dead serious, okay.
Speaker 1: And due to her lack of attention to detail, there
Speaker 1: was also pieces left that are described as pieces and
Speaker 1: chunks of flesh in the corridor of the complex as
Speaker 1: she carried out the remains building as well.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, yes, yeah, that's nasty. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I'm assuming those were just laying there for the
Speaker 1: past few days as people are walking by and not
Speaker 1: really knowing what it.
Speaker 2: Was or anything, just rotting away.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, I don't think it's like, oh, there's a
Speaker 1: steak sized piece of meat over there. No, I'm assuming.
Speaker 2: It's like small little particles.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: Oh that's really gross though.
Speaker 1: Oh definitely. So when pressed about the situation, Tamara didn't
Speaker 1: really hesitate to admit what she'd done, which to me
Speaker 1: was surprising. But she didn't, But it kind of makes
Speaker 1: sense a little later on as we go on here.
Speaker 1: So what she did do is she did tell police
Speaker 1: that she was upset with Valentina over their disagreement, and
Speaker 1: when she was asked to leave, she couldn't. Her own
Speaker 1: place was still uninhabitable due to the renovations, and it
Speaker 1: left her with no choice but to kill her in
Speaker 1: order to give her the opportunity to stay in the apartment.
Speaker 2: No choice Okay, I'm sorry. I can't get over the
Speaker 2: wording of some of this stuff that you have here,
Speaker 2: just like no choice, chunks. I can't remember what the
Speaker 2: other one was, just killing me.
Speaker 1: For some reason, the no choice might have been my
Speaker 1: specific wording. I don't think that's directly her terminology.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're wording like it's it's kind of for
Speaker 2: some reason. I'm finding it comical here the chunks.
Speaker 1: Was not my wording, though, use that was wording that
Speaker 1: I found directly.
Speaker 2: Oh cool, okay.
Speaker 1: So Shocked by her confession, though and reason, police quickly
Speaker 1: arrested Tamara, and rightfully so. Looking further into the home,
Speaker 1: investigators were able to find some extremely disturbing things. Primarily,
Speaker 1: Tamara had kept a very detailed diary of her day
Speaker 1: to day events, all worded in Russian, German and English.
Speaker 1: Now sure enough, the description of Valentina's killing was all
Speaker 1: written in ink on the pages of her diary the
Speaker 1: details of dismemberment, disposal, and cleaning. They also found entries
Speaker 1: of her diary about fondness for Valentina or Valia as
Speaker 1: she referred to her as. Now it seems she didn't
Speaker 1: actually hate her, as it might kind of first look
Speaker 1: like upon talking about this case, which only begs more questions.
Speaker 1: So to their surprise, though, that's not all they were
Speaker 1: able to find on these pages. They also found an
Speaker 1: entry that said this quote, I killed my tenant Volagia,
Speaker 1: cut him into pieces in the bathroom with a knife,
Speaker 1: and put the pieces of his body in plastic bags
Speaker 1: and threw them away in different parts for the Farinsky district.
Speaker 2: Okay, sorry, is that is that a different person?
Speaker 1: Vladya was her roommate from about fifteen years ago.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, that's when I was thinking that. I
Speaker 2: was like, did I get something mixed up?
Speaker 1: Here was her second roommate she welcomed into her home.
Speaker 2: Okay, my gears are turning here.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So she was done her career and just was like
Speaker 2: I'm done with this. You guys can find out whatever
Speaker 2: you want.
Speaker 1: Really pretty much. She didn't really have too much of
Speaker 1: an attitude of like, yeah, no, I didn't do it.
Speaker 1: She's just like, I mean, not that I'm agreeing with
Speaker 1: her and everything, but I'll give her props to this.
Speaker 1: She's taken it on the chin, being like, yeah, that's me.
Speaker 1: I did that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, honestly, that's almost oh gosh, like I
Speaker 2: was gonna say the way to do it, which is terrible,
Speaker 2: it's terrible. But no, Okay, you're a terrible person. But
Speaker 2: then you're finally done with being a terrible person, I guess,
Speaker 2: and then you're gonna, like, at least give some closure
Speaker 2: to all the shit that you did.
Speaker 1: That's the least thing you can do.
Speaker 2: Okay, this terrible.
Speaker 1: No, you're playing devil's advocate. You're giving the silver lining.
Speaker 1: At least she's not denying it. At least she's helping authorities.
Speaker 1: At least she's giving closure. Yes, I got you, don't worry.
Speaker 1: Just when you first said it, it sounded like, wow,
Speaker 1: But okay, I got you.
Speaker 2: Okay, if I was going to be a serial killer,
Speaker 2: i'd be heard. That's not what I meant at all.
Speaker 1: I totally got it. Don't hurry. But yeah, this whole situation,
Speaker 1: the diary, it threw a massive curve ball into the case,
Speaker 1: especially considering all her roommates that she has had over
Speaker 1: the past years, decades more went missing. Yeah, how many
Speaker 1: of them did she kill? What about out her husband
Speaker 1: who went missing years ago?
Speaker 2: Right? Who she just thought went like off with another
Speaker 2: woman she at Wow.
Speaker 1: Well, as I mentioned, Tamara didn't really try and hide
Speaker 1: the fact that she killed Valentina and confessed, but ultimately
Speaker 1: she would volunteer to return to the apartments and walk
Speaker 1: through step by step with investigators how she killed and
Speaker 1: dismembered Valentina's body as well, and they even provided a
Speaker 1: dummy for her to show.
Speaker 2: Holy shit, this is fascinating.
Speaker 1: Really, Yes, so they reenacted with her what she fucking
Speaker 1: did to Valentina.
Speaker 2: Could you imagine being in that situation, Like, hey, where
Speaker 2: you're literally giving a serial killer, you're gonna watch them
Speaker 2: reenact what they've done. I just I feel like I
Speaker 2: would just be just fascinated by like watching that unfold there.
Speaker 1: I think my fascination in the situation, Like, I agree,
Speaker 1: I'd be fascinated, but I wouldn't be fascinated with the
Speaker 1: crime itself. I would be fat fascinated with how they
Speaker 1: talked about and described and showed the crime. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: so like do they are they excited about? Like, oh,
Speaker 1: and I did this because of this? It's like this
Speaker 1: is my problem solving, Like how were they talking about this?
Speaker 1: How disassociated are they from the crime? That they committed.
Speaker 2: Is there any remorse or anything shown? Like, yeah, that
Speaker 2: would just be wild as fuck. No kidding. I almost
Speaker 2: want to see that, like on a video to watch
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, I don't know if I'm sure it was actually videotaped.
Speaker 2: But that is released.
Speaker 1: It definitely is not released, unfortunately. So, yeah, she showed
Speaker 1: them the tools she used, just how she cut up
Speaker 1: the remains from there, piece by piece. She showed wrapping
Speaker 1: them plastic, and where each portion was dumped. For example,
Speaker 1: Valentina's hips and legs were actually too heavy for her
Speaker 1: to take out and far away from the complex, so
Speaker 1: she was forced to stash them actually on the apartment grounds.
Speaker 1: And then of course various portions were dumped in places
Speaker 1: like ponds where she was initially discovered. Wow, so when
Speaker 1: it came to Valentina's head, here's an interesting piece. So
Speaker 1: she did attempt to hide her victim's identity. So, once decapitated,
Speaker 1: Tamara took her head and her hands, put them in
Speaker 1: a pot with water onto the stove and boiled them
Speaker 1: extensively to try and hide Valentina's identity.
Speaker 2: Oh that's really gross.
Speaker 1: So that CCTV security footage from the apartment actually shows
Speaker 1: Tamara carrying out a pot from the complex as well.
Speaker 2: What the actual shit so.
Speaker 1: We know exactly what is in that container as she
Speaker 1: is walking out.
Speaker 2: Oh, I am just shocked here. She would have known
Speaker 2: that there was like video or something like capturing this. Hey,
Speaker 2: probably and just zero shits given, probably huh.
Speaker 1: Okay, So she would dump the contents of the pot
Speaker 1: into the garbage dump, which was removed every Saturday from
Speaker 1: the site. This part has actually sparked some some belief
Speaker 1: and discussion that Tamara didn't actually just kill her victims,
Speaker 1: but since she had boiled the head and hands, that
Speaker 1: she actually practiced cannibalism as well.
Speaker 2: Okay, I was wondering this and I have no idea why,
Speaker 2: but I was like, oh, Ben's doing this case, so
Speaker 2: it obviously doesn't. But I cannot, I literally cannot get
Speaker 2: the visual out of my brain of this woman just
Speaker 2: carrying a fucking pot out of the apartment now and
Speaker 2: going to the dumpster.
Speaker 1: There is CCTV footage you can watch, and there is
Speaker 1: like frame shots and everything screenshots. Sorry wow, And yeah,
Speaker 1: there's photos I saw of her fucking carrying the pot.
Speaker 2: That is so fucked And did she just like throw
Speaker 2: the whole damn pot in the dumpster, just like literally
Speaker 2: tip it upside down and empty, and then go make
Speaker 2: a fucking batch of soup later. Like what the fuck?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, according to this, it's possible that
Speaker 1: she made a batch of soup.
Speaker 2: With the remains. Wow.
Speaker 1: So even when discussed about the possibility of cannibalism with
Speaker 1: the authorities, when they're oppressed with the possibility of it,
Speaker 1: they responded by simply saying, quote, it is not excluded.
Speaker 2: Huh okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: Now, Tamara would continue to help investigators with much of
Speaker 1: the investigation, and she would even help answers with the
Speaker 1: biggest question like why.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's good.
Speaker 1: So she explained that she had a quote maniac upstairs
Speaker 1: who is responsible for pushing her to murder people. So
Speaker 1: when it came to Valentina, she did actually like her,
Speaker 1: She did actually enjoy your company. In fact, her company
Speaker 1: generally drowned out the voice of the maniac in her head,
Speaker 1: which is why she didn't want to move out when requested,
Speaker 1: and why she was so adamant she wanted to stay.
Speaker 2: Oh man, okay, that's a bit sad.
Speaker 1: Yes. So however, in the end, the turmoil led to
Speaker 1: the voice returning, and well we know how that played
Speaker 1: it yet, So on July twenty ninth, twenty fifteen, Tamara
Speaker 1: was brought into a district court of Saint Petersburg where
Speaker 1: she would undergo questioning in a forensic psychiatric examination. It'll
Speaker 1: be a little while later during her trial in November
Speaker 1: twenty sixth, twenty fifteen, that the results would determine that
Speaker 1: she was a danger to society and herself you don't say, yeah,
Speaker 1: and that she was most likely suffering from schizophrenia. So
Speaker 1: she was then placed into a specialized institution until the
Speaker 1: end of the investigation. So that is her sentencing. Okay,
Speaker 1: she was never sentenced to prison time yet after the
Speaker 1: investigation occurs, I'm sure there will be another court case
Speaker 1: against it and sentencing actually happening, But for now she
Speaker 1: is in the institution until the investigation is over. So
Speaker 1: Tamara never really denied any claims of murder against her.
Speaker 1: In fact, she agreed that she needs to be punished
Speaker 1: for her crimes. And in the court case, the judge
Speaker 1: was like, how should I punish you? And she's like,
Speaker 1: you know what I did, and I think you should
Speaker 1: punish me. Accordingly, like she just owned it. She just yeah,
Speaker 1: this is it.
Speaker 2: And did she kind of say that after she'd gotten
Speaker 2: some of the help and maybe like was on the
Speaker 2: medication she needed though, or I mean like right at
Speaker 2: the beginning.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, this whole time, she's had the same attitude.
Speaker 1: She's doing the crimes. She knows they're wrong, and she
Speaker 1: does have remorse for doing it, and she knows she
Speaker 1: needs to be punished. So give her props to not
Speaker 1: being like, no, I don't deserve jail time or I've
Speaker 1: got this ailment and it shouldn't like I need to
Speaker 1: go to an institution instead. No, She's just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you do you. I understand the troubles I've caused with
Speaker 1: society and the dangers I'm putting people in. You need
Speaker 1: to do something with me.
Speaker 2: She's accepting the consequences that she needs to be faced with.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she definitely does. And in fact, she kind
Speaker 1: of like even aplauded them. Well, actually she literally applauded them.
Speaker 1: When it was announced that she'd be held in custody
Speaker 1: indefinitely during the investigation. She literally clapped in the courtroom.
Speaker 2: Wow. It's almost like she was at that point just
Speaker 2: like okay, like I need help, Like let's let's just
Speaker 2: get me help.
Speaker 1: And I think she knew what she was. She knew
Speaker 1: that she had this monster living in her head and
Speaker 1: she couldn't control it, and she knows that someone needs
Speaker 1: to control her otherwise it's going to keep happening.
Speaker 2: It's just going to keep murdering people or her body
Speaker 2: though at this point can't really do it anymore though,
Speaker 2: So that's kind of why she was given up too.
Speaker 2: I think she's almost seventy years old.
Speaker 1: Maybe now. There are a couple more pieces that I
Speaker 1: want to add to this. They may be irrelevant, and
Speaker 1: most likely are, but I do feel that they are
Speaker 1: important to include. A neighbor of Tamaras would actually come
Speaker 1: forward a little while later and claim that she also
Speaker 1: had an unusual fascination with a serial killer, a man
Speaker 1: by the name of Andrea Chikatillo. Now Andre would as
Speaker 1: a Soviet killer who was nicknamed the Butcher of Rostov.
Speaker 1: He apparently sexual assaulted, murdered, and mutilated at least fifty
Speaker 1: two women and children between nineteen seventy eight and nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety Brutal and sorry.
Speaker 2: Tamara had a facet or who had a fascination.
Speaker 1: The neighbor reported that Tamara had this fascinating Yes, okay.
Speaker 1: There are also reports of Tamara having interests in the
Speaker 1: occult things like Tara cards, for example, were found amongst
Speaker 1: many of her belongings. Now, most likely these things have
Speaker 1: nothing to do with their crime. In like, interest in
Speaker 1: these and like this specific sort of things don't necessarily
Speaker 1: say anything. Like people can argue the same fact. We
Speaker 1: have a true crime podcast, we talk about murders and
Speaker 1: kills and like all this sort of strange shit. They
Speaker 1: can throw that in our face too, but we're like,
Speaker 1: it's different, right, Yeah, you can.
Speaker 2: Have different interests. That doesn't necessarily mean you're a serial
Speaker 2: killer exactly.
Speaker 1: So it's not necessary that they have anything to do
Speaker 1: with this. However, I think, coupled with her specific psychiatric disorder,
Speaker 1: it may have all just been a recipe for disaster
Speaker 1: without her even knowing it. Right, It may have just
Speaker 1: fed that maniac upstairs.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 1: But who's to say now? It is unfortunate. This is
Speaker 1: the end of Tamara's story for now, as she is
Speaker 1: still being investigated in the connection for a total of
Speaker 1: fourteen murders, eleven of which were very detailed and described
Speaker 1: in her diary.
Speaker 2: Wow, holy shit. Okay, the fact that she was able
Speaker 2: to get away with that many especially with it's just
Speaker 2: a while, with them being so connected to her as
Speaker 2: like her roommate. Yeah, that's bizarre to me because did
Speaker 2: these people who were her roommates not have like friends
Speaker 2: or family outside of her? That because you think at
Speaker 2: some point, like you'd connect that all these people that
Speaker 2: lived with her are now missing. Yeah, and that just
Speaker 2: never got connected.
Speaker 1: It depends on who she welcomes in his roommates. And
Speaker 1: one of the things that I'm surprised is that many
Speaker 1: of the people in the complex just assume these people
Speaker 1: are moving out. They just all of a sudden never
Speaker 1: see him again. So, oh, this person just must have
Speaker 1: moved out, I guess.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: And then a year later, Oh, this other person just
Speaker 1: must have moved out. I guess.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you don't necessarily just go to the
Speaker 2: fact that you think they're getting murdered. I don't know,
Speaker 2: it'd probably take me a little bit of time too
Speaker 2: to really be questioning that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the potential of fourteen other murders, and it
Speaker 1: occurred over the span of approximately fifteen years, so that's
Speaker 1: almost a murder per year. So that's every year not
Speaker 1: seeing someone leave or move out.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, you would never see them like physically moving out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, none of their stuff is leaving. You just see
Speaker 1: her probably hauling a bunch of shit.
Speaker 2: Out huh at two in the morning. Yeah in Pots
Speaker 2: Yeah in Pots Wow, I mean I would question that
Speaker 2: for sure. That's terrifying. But then also where she was living,
Speaker 2: there could be a lot of I don't know word,
Speaker 2: but a lot of movement in there too, like people
Speaker 2: not necessarily living there that whole fifteen years or whatever.
Speaker 1: Right, So, and I do want to mention as well,
Speaker 1: it is unknown about her husband. Her husband is still missing,
Speaker 1: and there is no as far as I'm aware, because
Speaker 1: investigations are still ongoing. Yeah, there is no connection between
Speaker 1: her and her husband's disappearance yet, huh.
Speaker 2: You know I always struggle with these ones. I mean, gosh,
Speaker 2: I feel like most serial killers though, would have some
Speaker 2: sort of mental illness, right, because it's not normal to
Speaker 2: be doing that. But I always sometimes like, oh, I struggle.
Speaker 2: It's almost like a weird struggle in me that I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: she needed help, But then also like she's a literal monster.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but at the very least she understands she
Speaker 1: needs help.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not much, but it's something I do. It's
Speaker 2: kind of satisfying, is how this ended, in the fact
Speaker 2: that she's like literally willing to take the consequences like
Speaker 2: that kind of that's good.
Speaker 1: That is good. It's not satisfying that word, and I
Speaker 1: don't think you meant like that, but yeah, it's it's good.
Speaker 1: That's a better way how you said it there, It's good.
Speaker 1: That's a good Yeah. I agree with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because a lot of them they just or they'll
Speaker 2: take all their killings to the grave, and then people
Speaker 2: that they did harm don't have like their friends and
Speaker 2: family don't have the closure, right exactly.
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, he make a very good point. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: that's that's the Granny Ripper. That's a it was a
Speaker 1: wild interesting case to research the possibility that she has
Speaker 1: another fourteen victims. Yes, and that's only known as well,
Speaker 1: So who knows how how many else there are.
Speaker 2: Did that case get recommended or did you come across
Speaker 2: that one?
Speaker 1: I came across that one.
Speaker 2: Actually, I've never heard anything about that. And it's weird
Speaker 2: because it's pretty like the results and stuff and her
Speaker 2: getting caught or it's pretty recent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was within this past decade.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so huh yeah, well done. That would have been
Speaker 2: very interesting to research.
Speaker 1: It was. And when it came to the part of
Speaker 1: her actually being like, oh fuck, yeah, I did this
Speaker 1: and I'm just owning it and I'm gonna reenact for
Speaker 1: you how this occurred, I was like, fucking excuse me,
Speaker 1: this is this is happening right now. Yeah. And as
Speaker 1: you were talking about, like it would have been fascinating
Speaker 1: to be there for reenactment. It would have.
Speaker 2: It would fly on the wall in that Yes, not because.
Speaker 1: I want to see like, oh, how did you murder
Speaker 1: the person? I want to see how she talks about it,
Speaker 1: how disassociated she is, or maybe she was very aware
Speaker 1: because she is like, yeah, I'm a monster. You need
Speaker 1: to deal with me any discipline, any punishment, and you
Speaker 1: need to be locked away. Maybe she was very connected
Speaker 1: with it. Maybe she was very remorseful during it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But even how you said, like there's potential like
Speaker 2: she might have got rolled up or a little excited
Speaker 2: at times and stuff. I mean, the psychology behind serial
Speaker 2: killers and how their brains work is a little bit fascinating.
Speaker 1: It is so wow.
Speaker 2: I mean that would be a job and a half
Speaker 2: a to be like a detective or an investigator for
Speaker 2: some a crime like that.
Speaker 1: Oh it would be especially.
Speaker 2: Too because you have your your criminal like actually divulging
Speaker 2: information rather than you like having to try to fill
Speaker 2: in all the blanks and stuff.
Speaker 1: So wow, Yeah, it takes well, it literally takes a
Speaker 1: guesswork out of it. Oh. I wonder if investigators were
Speaker 1: like and I don't think they would, but I could
Speaker 1: just like picture it because like CSI sort of characters
Speaker 1: and stuff kind of would paint this picture in my head.
Speaker 1: But like they're going like walk into the scene with
Speaker 1: her like oh yeah, we're going to reenact this. We're
Speaker 1: carrying the dummy, and it's like, well, this is my
Speaker 1: theory and how she did it, and like this is
Speaker 1: my theory. Oh you want to bet And it's like
Speaker 1: when she does this, and all of a sudden, it's
Speaker 1: like one investigator hand twenty bucks over to the other guy.
Speaker 1: Like god, I feels like they're betting on how this
Speaker 1: played out, you know.
Speaker 2: But then also I feel like in these kinds of situations,
Speaker 2: you still have to be careful because they could literally
Speaker 2: be just telling you whatever the fuck they want, Like
Speaker 2: they could still be so fucked up that they're just
Speaker 2: like making sit up too.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but no, like everything she detailed matched every
Speaker 1: piece of evidence, for example, like the very obvious piece
Speaker 1: to show issues like yeah, I took the head and
Speaker 1: hands boiling the pot, took the pot out, and then
Speaker 1: CCTV footage shows her carrying a fucking pot out Like
Speaker 1: that's a very specific piece, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, huh huh, well done. That's fascinating. I'm going to
Speaker 2: be a stewing on this one for a while. Stewing.
Speaker 2: That's a really that was a really poor choice of
Speaker 2: words there. Fuck. Okay, yeah, we're not eating stew for
Speaker 2: a while.
Speaker 1: Why not?
Speaker 2: God girls?
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, so I'm just gonna go on, say, just
Speaker 1: next time you think of what a serial serial killer
Speaker 1: could be, maybe uh, just think about the Granny Ripper
Speaker 1: and think maybe what we perceive it to be on
Speaker 1: a regular basis is uh a little more than just that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
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