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<v Speaker 1>All right, it's the Ben and Skin Show ninety seven

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<v Speaker 1>point one The Eagle. Thanks for hanging out with us today.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we're talking about this big Maverick story that just

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<v Speaker 1>keeps getting bigger and bigger. Nico Harrison had his exit

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<v Speaker 1>interview press conference in front of the assembled media. That happened,

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<v Speaker 1>oh about two hours ago, and it was on the

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<v Speaker 1>heels of an explosive article that dropped today from ESPN

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<v Speaker 1>by one Tim McMahon, who, because he's covering the NBA playoffs,

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't there today to ask any questions about, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Nico's response to his article. Tim Cato of DLLs and

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Stein of DLLs both had articles that came out

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<v Speaker 1>over the weekend talking about various aspects of this. Tim's

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<v Speaker 1>was probably the most in depth and clearly had been

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<v Speaker 1>exhaustively researched over several, I mean months really when you

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<v Speaker 1>look at it and look at the timeline involved. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that Tim Cato kind of hinted at

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<v Speaker 1>was people don't really know what Patrick Dumont thinks yet.

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<v Speaker 1>But you guys heard the press conference today, right, yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Would you guys agree that it was presented like there

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<v Speaker 1>would be nothing changing moving forward, Did.

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<v Speaker 2>You take that sense nothing changing? In fact, the team's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be very similar, going to add a rookie

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<v Speaker 2>in the draft.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And they think they're gonna be really good next

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<v Speaker 1>year and if they're healthy, they should be.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And but you're not going to get Kyrie back to

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I would say January is optimistic.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, Man, I hate to say this. I hate to

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<v Speaker 2>say this, but you know, Anthony Davis had played so

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<v Speaker 2>much this year and played so well early, and he

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<v Speaker 2>was he'd been hurt so much leading in. I get it,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, And I would hear the nicknames. Everybody has

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<v Speaker 2>the nickname day to day, Street closes, all those things.

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<v Speaker 2>He's always out and ever since he's got here, he's

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<v Speaker 2>been nothing but hurt, right, And it's like I have

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<v Speaker 2>a hard time watching him, Like I don't know, he

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<v Speaker 2>rarely makes it through a game without being hurt. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's because I think he fought back early to play hurt,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. He wanted to be their

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<v Speaker 2>first team. So he's never fully healed. And that's a

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<v Speaker 2>big part of not only Tim Cato's article, but Tim McMahons. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>because and I respect the hell out of that he

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<v Speaker 2>was trying to help, But my confidence that he's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>stay healthy moving forward is extremely low. And you got

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<v Speaker 2>a thirty two and thirty three year old guy. If

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<v Speaker 2>they're healthy, yeah they're gonna be good. But I don't

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<v Speaker 2>have confidence in that right now.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what I said when we traded for Kyrie Irving.

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<v Speaker 1>And I have loved Kyrie Irving, but it's really easy

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<v Speaker 1>to pull up Basketball Reference and look at how many

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<v Speaker 1>games a guy plays that year in and year out, Like.

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<v Speaker 2>It ain't hard.

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<v Speaker 1>And to me, and I follow the league pretty closely,

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<v Speaker 1>when a guy misses a bunch of games for a

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<v Speaker 1>myriad of reasons, to me, that's a red flag, whether

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<v Speaker 1>you like the guy personally or not. And so that's

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<v Speaker 1>why I was scared of Kyrie Irving. But when he

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<v Speaker 1>got here, it was extraordinary, and I got to where

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<v Speaker 1>I never spent any time worrying about Kyrie Irving's availability,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the horrible thing happened. And so if I

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<v Speaker 1>take that same outlook and I pull up Anthony Davis's

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<v Speaker 1>Basketball Reference page, there's a lot of games missed. So

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have to personally like Anthony Davis or think

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<v Speaker 1>he's like one of the greatest two way players in

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<v Speaker 1>all the world and always has been to go. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>but by the way, he misses a lot of games.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just that's not even opinion, that's just irrefutable fact.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's pull it up and look at it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think, you know, to sit here and look

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<v Speaker 1>at this and go, Man, if they're completely healthy, they're

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<v Speaker 1>a great team. They're a team that competes for a championship.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with that. I think it's reasonable. I also

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<v Speaker 1>think it's very reasonable to be skeptical that that's going

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<v Speaker 1>to fall into place just because of all these other,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, things that we can look at and tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>That it's not gonna happen, right, And I get it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, this is the reason this trade happened is

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<v Speaker 2>because they didn't like dealing with Luca. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>lot to work with him. They were about to have

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<v Speaker 2>spay him seventy million year, They had no control over him,

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<v Speaker 2>and they didn't like teams are targeting him on defense,

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<v Speaker 2>and they chose go in another direction. The problem is,

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<v Speaker 2>I get it, Nico loved a d loves AD. He

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<v Speaker 2>may be stuck in the way he feels about Ad

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<v Speaker 2>from six years ago, because if you traded for twenty

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<v Speaker 2>six year old a D, it's a better deal. Or

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<v Speaker 2>if you I mean, it's almost like he dealt with

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<v Speaker 2>the Lakers from a point of weakness. I have to

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<v Speaker 2>trade Luca because Luca's tainted goods. All right, Well, if

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna take Luke off your hands, I can't pay

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<v Speaker 2>full price for because you're not you're telling me, you're

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<v Speaker 2>telling me you're not trading me full power Luca. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>he's a problem for you you have to get rid of. Okay, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>then I can't pay full price. I mean all that

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<v Speaker 2>None of that matters, because all that matters is that

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<v Speaker 2>the GM wanted a D and he went and got

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<v Speaker 2>his guy.

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<v Speaker 1>He went and got his guy, and and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll listen to this audio coming up at four o'clock

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<v Speaker 1>and people can decide for themselves. But one thing that

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<v Speaker 1>is true that I agree with what Nico said. He

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't publicly said anything negative about Luka Doncic.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he hasn't.

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<v Speaker 1>A people are taking what reporters have said the Mavericks think,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's not on record stuff, And so we're inferring

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<v Speaker 1>from these reports that Nico thinks this, this, and this,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think it's all very reasonable. But to Nico's point,

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<v Speaker 1>if you go on what's on the record, he's never

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<v Speaker 1>said anything negative about Luka Doncic. And you know, he's

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<v Speaker 1>not the only person in the world that doesn't think

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<v Speaker 1>Luca's a great defensive player. Luca knew that criticism, which

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<v Speaker 1>is why for the last year and a half, Luca's

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<v Speaker 1>been pointing out his defensive qualities that have been good. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a reason he's done that. And then obviously Nico's

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<v Speaker 1>on record is saying he loves Anthony Davis.

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<v Speaker 3>Real quill quick. When you take the reporting and then

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<v Speaker 3>you add that to the hot stove, that is the

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<v Speaker 3>anger of MAVs fans, you get burned. And that's what

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<v Speaker 3>people were saying. It was a burn And that's how

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<v Speaker 3>I'm end that segment.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, now that's why I like that segment so great.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Coming up next in the Hollywood Shuffle, which huge celebrity

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<v Speaker 2>both in girth and instead pooped their pants. Well, just

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<v Speaker 2>sit through this commercial break and think about it and wait,

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<v Speaker 2>that's nuts.