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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.

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Today marks the fifteenth day of the Glane Maxwell trial

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and the last day of the recess as we prepare

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and wait for the defense to begin to mount their case. Now,

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on our way here, we have heard some powerful testimony

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by the survivors, by people corroborating their stories, and by

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people who have put Glane Maxwell right in the center

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of Jeffrey Epstein's operations. Now, the goal of the defense

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is going to be to poke holes in all of

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that testimony. They're going to try and go after the

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credibility of not only the witnesses, but the specialists that

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were brought up, doctors that were brought up, you name it.

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And we're hearing now after a late night filing that.

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Not only that, but the defense is looking to bring

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three lawyers who have represented survivors in as witnesses, one

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of them Jack Scarola, the other mister Glassman, and then

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the third Bradley Edwards. Now, those of you who have

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been following the Epstein case, you're pretty familiar.

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Speaker 2: With Jack Scarola and Bradley Edwards. For sure.

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Speaker 1: Bradley Edwards has been at the forefront as a lawyer

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battling Jeffrey Epstein and his cohorts for a very very,

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very long time, so much so that Jeffrey Epstein had

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his goons putting the press on Bradley Edwards, going through

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his trash all kinds of wild shit. So the defense

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is now looking to call these three lawyers up to

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talk about the motivations of their clients. Would be my guests,

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And I find it kind of weird, right, what about

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lawyer client privileged? So you're gonna call these lawyers up

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and ask them what them and their clients were talking about.

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That's a little odd no. And furthermore, if I'm the defense,

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I don't know if I want Bradley Edwards up there

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talking about anything. Because if you want to see somebody

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who has, you know, a map to where all the

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bodies are buried that we know about, it's Bradley Edwards.

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Nobody has been at the forefront of this case as

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far as lawyers go, for longer. The guy has been

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in a tooth and nail, bare knuckle scrap with Jeffrey

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Epstein's people since pretty much this all began, and now

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they're trying to call him as a witness up to

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the stand to try and punch holes in his credibility

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or to try and make it seem like there's some

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sort of financial motivation for these ladies. Now again, this

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has been their strategy from the beginning, and anyone who

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thinks that they're going to deviate from the course, they

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have not been paying attention. They have been striking home

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this message since before the trial started, and they're going

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to continue that with their witnesses that they're going to

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be bringing up, namely Elizabeth Loftis.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth Loftis is.

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Speaker 1: A memory expert, and according to an article in I

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believe The New Yorker, the woman who changed what memory

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is or some such nonsense. Guess what, I'm not buying it. Okay,

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they brought her out in the Weinstein case.

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Speaker 2: Few other cases. How how did those cases.

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Speaker 1: Turn out for Weinstein and his friends?

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Speaker 2: Not so good?

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Speaker 1: Right, Because guess what, you can bring out a pig,

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and you can put some lipstick on that pig, but

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guess what, at the end of the day, the pig

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is still a pig. So she's gonna come out and

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attempt to frame it as these survivors misremembering. These survivors

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not really knowing what happened to them, the whole thing,

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And I've got to think that the jury is going

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to be able to see right through it the same

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way they were able to see right through it with

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Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby and the rest of them.

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I would think that with all of the evidence present here,

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all of the testimony provided by the witnesses previously, would

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go a long way in disputing what Elizabeth Loftis has

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to say. Now. She is an.

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Speaker 2: Expert in her field, There's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: She's worked for the Robert Durst, OJ Simpson, and Harvey Weinstein.

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As I just stated, and in the words of a

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New York profile on the controversy surrounding her expertise, Elizabeth

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Loftis has changed the meaning of memory, and her life's

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work is collided with the Me Too movements moment of

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cultural reckoning. In particular, Loftus has questioned the reliability of

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memory and how she believes suggestion can mold it. She

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has also testified about her research during the trials of

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Jerry Sandusky, Ted Bundy, and Paul Shanley, a now deceased

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priest who served twelve years in prison following his conviction

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for raping a child. So basically, if you're a scumbag

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and you've been accused of sexual misconduct or abusing somebody

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or raping somebody, Elizabeth LOFTI should be on your speed dial.

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You know, it's crazy right to think that all of

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these people use the same experts, and then you look

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at all of these people who use these experts and

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none of them get off.

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Speaker 2: So how much of an.

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Speaker 1: Expert are these experts really? That little excerpt we were

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just talking about is from the Law from Law and Crime,

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by the way, and it goes on to say that

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in a two page order Monday morning, blah blah blah,

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Judge Allison Nathan granted Maxwell permission to call loftus. So

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that's looking back a little bit on the decision to

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allow Loftis to be called. She is, like I said,

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a specialist in memory, and she is somebody that they're

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going to bring forth to try and punch holes in

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the testimony given previously. They're going to try and make

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it seem like the whole grooming allegation is bs bunk,

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like it doesn't exist. They're going to talk about how

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there is not enough science to back all of that up,

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and these are the witnesses that they're going to use

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to lay out their case. You're also going to hear

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from Park Deats, a forensic psychiatrist who rose to national

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prominence during the case of Ronald Reagan's would be assassin

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John Hinckley Junior, and he was ultimately acquitted obviously by

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reasons of insanity. Deets is being called here to question

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the prosecution's claims that Maxwell groomed or alleged victims. So

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again they're going to be calling Deets here to go

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after those claims that there was grooming involved, and Park

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Deets is going to make the case that there's no uh,

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there's no theory that has gained any acceptance, let alone

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general acceptance in the relevant community. It has not been

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peer reviewed, it is not and cannot be tested, and

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there is no known or potential.

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Speaker 2: Rate of error.

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Speaker 1: And that is about grooming by proxy, which obviously Maxwell

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is being charged with. So what they're trying to say

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here by bringing Park Deets in to back up their

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assertions is that there was no grooming done here. Maxwell

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wasn't grooming anybody. She was just playing the role of

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concerned citizen. You know, basically her own boys and girls club.

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She's just there to help people out. She would never

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be involved in anything sinister. Meanwhile, the testimony from these

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survivors tell us a completely and opposite story. And as

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far as Park Deets goes, remember during the Andrea Yates case,

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he had a hit to his reputation after it was

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discovered that part of his testimony wasn't true and when

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the first Texas Court of Appeals concluded that Deet's mention

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of it, as well as a prosecutor's subsequent claim that

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it inspired Yates to commit a desperate act, could have

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had an impact on the jury's verdict. So basically, he

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was up there making up nonsense and it affected the

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Andrea Yates case. Now I'm certainly no expert in that field,

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but when it comes to experts like this, like this

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Park Dats guy, you gotta think that the prosecution is

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going to bring that up during cross right to punch

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some holes into his testimony. You know, if it's gonna

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be a game of credibility, then the prosecution better get

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on board during cross here and hammer these folks for

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their credibility and for what they have said and done

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in the past, right if it's good for the goose

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and all. So those are a couple of the specialists

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that we can expect to be called for Gala and Maxwell,

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and obviously there's going to be a lot more. And

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like I mentioned earlier, they're also pining to get those

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three lawyers that I mentioned, Bradley Edwards, Jack Scrolla and

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mister Glassman in as witnesses as well. Now I'm not

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too sure how that's going to land for them, how

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it's going to work out, but we'll keep our eye

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on it and key and see where it ends up, because,

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like I was saying, brad Edwards has been a foreign

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in the side of the Jeffrey Epstein criminal conspiracy enterprise

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for quite some time, and I think they might be

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getting a little bit more than they bargained for trying

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to get Bradley Edwards up on that stand. So today

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we're going to finish off the episode by talking about

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this article from Reuters and the author is Luke Cohen,

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And what they're talking about here is how Maxwell's lawyers

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are going to focus her defense on memory, manipulation and money.

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Now set the groundwork here about that with the two

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experts that are going to be their quote unquote star witnesses,

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and we know what the game plan is. So let's

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jump into this article from Reuters and let's see what

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they've come up with. Glenn Maxwell's attorneys will likely focus

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on portraying the British socialite co conspirator, general all around scuzbag,

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alleged child abuser and you know, bipedal serpent accusers as

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untrustworthy and motivated by money when they start presenting their

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case in her sex abuse trial on Thursday. According to

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legal experts and court filings, now what other pathway do

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they have to try and get Maxwell off, folks.

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Speaker 2: They don't have.

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Speaker 1: Any other path to victory here. All they can hope

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for is that they do enough of a job with

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their bombing runs to punch enough holes in the testimony

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of the survivors and the experts brought forward to back

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up the testimony of the survivors so that it looks

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like there's enough doubt there that Maxwell gets off. That's

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what they're trying to do. They don't have any receipts.

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the burden of proof is not on them, but they're

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going to continue to try and punch holes in the

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testimony that we have heard for the last two weeks,

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and they're going to bring these specialists along like Park

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Deats and Elizabeth Loftis to try and further those goals. Now, remember,

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it's going to be up to the prosecution to slap

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prosecution has won about things, I'm not all that confident

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here that they're going to be able to handle the

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cross correctly, because let's be real, they haven't shown to

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be some great office of prosecutors so far. They've had

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a mountain of evidence. Sure seem to be making it

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a little bit more difficult than they need to know.

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and make sure they blunt the testimony that's going to

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be provided by the so called experts for the defense.

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often explicit testimony from four women who said Maxwell recruited

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and groomed them for abuse by the late financier pedophile

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Jeffrey Epstein. When the women were teenagers. The women portrayed

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Maxwell essential to their abuse by Epstein, a globe trotting financier,

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pedophile who died by suicide allegedly in twenty nineteen in

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jail while awaiting trial on sex abuse charges. So we're

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still calling her a socialite, and we're calling Epstein a

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globe trotting financier. Come on, legacy media, get with it already,

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a globe trotting financier. How about a convicted sex offender

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in pedophile, that's probably the right way to talk about.

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Jeffrey Epstein No. Maxwell fifty nine has pleaded not guilty

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to eight counts of sex trafficking and other crimes in

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federal court in New York. During cross examination, her lawyers

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tried to undermine the women's credibility by asking about inconsistencies

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in their accounts and about awards they received from a

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fund for Epstein's victims. Now, again, I think that that's

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going to backfire for the defense. You're bringing up the

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money that was paid out by Jeffrey Epstein's estate to

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these women. Now, what that tells me is that Jeffrey

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Epstein's estate has taken responsibility for the behavior of the

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late Jeffrey Epstein, and they've admitted that he committed these

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acts abuse these girls. So you're bringing this up is

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just strengthening the case, telling everybody, yeah, that these girls

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were abused so much so that they were paid out

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by Epstein's estate. So you mean to tell me during

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all this time that Maxwell was with them, Maxwell was

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hanging out, Maxwell was grooming them. She had nothing to

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far as the defense goes. And I would hope that

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the prosecution would press that advantage a little bit, but

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they don't seem to be doing that. This case is

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about memory, manipulation and money. Maxwell's attorney, Bobby Sternham said

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in her November twenty ninth opening statement, And they told

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us from Jump Street what they were gonna do, right,

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memory manipulation and money. And they've stayed on course the

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whole entire time. They've pounded it home. Now have they

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done a good enough job thus far to sway the jury.

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I don't think so. But they have stayed on target,

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they've stayed on message, and they have continued their full

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scale bombing run over the witness's credibility, and they have

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not strayed from that kind of strategy this whole entire time.

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psychologist who studies how people can be manipulated into having

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false memories. She has testified in or consulted for hundreds

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of trials, including those of OJ Simpson and Harvey Weinstein.

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So what they're trying to say here is that these

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girls were manipulated into having these false memories by lawyers

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and other people who are looking for a payday. That's

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their defense. When you break it all down and you

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crush it down to the basic neurons of it, that

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is what it is. That these girls were manipulated. These

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girls were steered in this direction by lawyers. There was

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no abuse here, just some lawyers trying to get rich.

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That's basically what the defense is. But undermining the accuser's

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credibility remains an uphill battle, said Duncan Levin, managing partner

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at Tucker Levin PLLC. It's straight out of the playbook,

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Levin said, but it's a heavy lift to ask jurors

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to discount what the accusers may be saying because they

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got money. Look At the end of the day, it

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comes down to this. Jeffrey Epstein was dead and gone.

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How else are these girls supposed to get restitution from

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Jeffrey Epstein? If he's dead and gone, should they have

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him dug up and put on trial as a corpse?

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The only restitution, the only way to get any payback

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here was to sue the estate or to get money

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out of the compensation fund. And once you get that money,

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you're also getting the admission that Epstein did this to you.

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So while they continue with the money, I would think

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that the prosecution and jurors are going to see right

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through that ploy. The defenses said its case will last

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between two and four days. Calling Maxwell given the women's

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compelling testimony, the defense's best bet maybe calling Maxwell herself

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to testify, said Zachary margulis Onuma, principal attorney at ZMO

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Law PLLC. The Jerry is going to believe the gist

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of what the witnesses are saying, margulis Unuma said. The

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only real counter to that is Maxwell coming back and saying, no,

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I didn't intend that boy. That would be something. If

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they put Maxwell up on the stand, that will be

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something to see I have my reservations about thinking that's

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going to occur, But again, maybe they feel like that's

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their only hope little hell Mary time. But I wouldn't

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be too confident in having Maxwell get up on that stand.

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Now we'll see, right, we'll see what her defense decides

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to do, But man, that would be something else. Maxwell's

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attorneys have not indicated whether or not they plan to

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call her to the stand. According to prosecutors, Maxwell's team

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also intends to call Robert Glassman, an attorney for a

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woman known as Jane, who testified that she was first

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abused by Epstein in nineteen ninety four when she was fourteen,

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and Maxwell took part in some of the encounters. At

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issue is whether Glassman told Jane that cooperating with prosecutors

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would assist her claim with the fund, which the defense

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says could taint her testimony. Jane testified that she was

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awarded five million dollars from the compensation fund established by

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Epstein's estate, So again trying to manipulate the situation, trying

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to turn it into something that it's not. Oh well,

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the lawyer told her that this would make her her

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case better. So I mean, come on, really, you mean

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to tell me if this was your daughter or your sister,

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you wouldn't tell her to go for the Monty and

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go after whatever sort of financial restitution is available. It's ridiculous.

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It's totally re ridiculous. During cross examination, Maxwell attorney Laura

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Meninger pressed Jane on why she did not mention Maxwell's

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alleged role in the abuse during her night her twenty

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nineteen conversations with law enforcement. Sternham said Jane only tagged

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Glaine when money was on the line, and that all

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four women enhanced their claims by cooperating. So again, it's

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all about the money, right, all about the money. God,

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there's no way that any of these girls could have

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been abused. Maxwell is just a pillar of the community.

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It's obvious that they're all just going after the vast

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fortune of Gallaine Maxwell. Jane testified that she did not

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believe helping prosecutors would boost her claim. The fund considered

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whether a claimant's assertions matched up with any law enforcement findings.

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But it is a stretch to say that cooperating enhanced

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the woman's claims, said Laurie Levinson, a professor.

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Speaker 2: At Loyola Law School.

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Speaker 1: There is no requirement that a victim cooperator testify for

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the prosecution, said Levinson, who reviewed the fund's protocol at

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Reuter's request. So basically, Laura Levinson, who is a professor

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at Loyola, shoots that claim down right away, saying that

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these witnesses didn't even have to testify. They could have

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took their money and forgot about it all and not

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put themselves on the firing line here, not had their

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credibility attacked, not had their persons attacked by Maxwell and

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her team. But they didn't do that, did they. Here

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they are testifying an open court, testifying against Maxwell and

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hopefully trying to bring her to justice for what they

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say she did to them. In a sign that undercutting

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Jane's testimony is important to the defense, prosecutors said last

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week that Maxwell's team also sought a subpoena for Jane's

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Brotherane testified that her brothers also knew Epstein during the nineties.

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So again, that's what it comes down to, folks, and

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that's what we can expect tomorrow when the defense begins

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to mount their case. It's gonna be about the memory.

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It's gonna be about manipulation, and like everything else, it's

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gonna be about the money. We'll have to see where

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it goes from there, and we'll have to see what

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the prosecution does to try and counter that. But there's

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an outline on what to expect in the next couple

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of days few days, and I'm really interested to see

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if Maxwell herself takes the stand. I think we'll know

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a little bit more as tomorrow commences and we kind

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of get a feel for how the trial's going. I

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guess we'll see if the defense feels it necessary to

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go for the big guns and put Maxwell on the stand.

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I think that if we see Max we'll take the stand,

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that will signal that things are not going the way

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that the defense wants them to go.

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Speaker 2: But we'll have to see, because.

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Speaker 1: One thing I have learned in the past three years

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of covering the Jeffrey Epstein and Glen Maxwell case is

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that every single time you think that there's an answer

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an answer to a question, what you're left with are

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more questions. If you'd like to contact me, you can

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do that at Bobby Kapuci at ProtonMail dot com. That's

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can also find me on Twitter at Bobby Underscore cap

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you Cci. The links that we discussed can be found

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in the description box. I'll be back later on folks

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with the evening update. So I hope all of you

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have a great day. What's up everyone, and welcome back

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to the Epstein Chronicles. While our folk has been on

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the Gallaine Maxwell trial, and rightly so, there are other

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things occurring in the overall scheme of things when talking

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about Jeffrey Epstein and Gline Maxwell. Now, one of those

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issues that's going on right now is the lawsuit between

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Virginia Roberts and Prince Andrew aka the Joe Exotic of

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the Winsor Family. Now, remember, Virginia Roberts claims that she

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was trafficked to Prince Andrew in England by Gallaiine Maxwell

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and Jeffrey Epstein. Now we have a picture of Virginia

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Roberts with the Joe Exotic of the Windsor family at

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Gallaine Maxwell's Belgravia Mews house. Up until this point, you've

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heard from the Joe Exotic of the Winsor family and

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the five or six people who are still supporting him that, oh,

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this picture was fake and all this other nonsense how

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it could have been doctored. Well, now, all of a sudden,

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fast forward to today, after that horrible car crash of

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an interview he did with Emily Maitliss over there at

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the BBC in regards to all of this, well, now

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he wants all of this thrown out because you know,

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it's over the age of consent thing. So hold on,

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wait a minute, pump the brakes real quick.

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Speaker 2: Hold up.

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Speaker 1: I thought you had never met Virginia Roberts. I thought

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you had no idea who she was. Now all of

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a sudden, you might know who she is. And it's

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an age of consent issue. And it's not that you

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didn't have contact with her or sexual contact with her.

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Now she's just over aged. So as we continue to

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watch people like the Joe Exotic of the Windsor family

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blunder around and continuously shoot themselves in the foot, I

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have to ask myself how anyone can believe anything this

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guy has to say, especially with this big bombshell, because

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remember it was how he had no idea who Virginia

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even was. He had never met her, had no idea

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she even existed. Meanwhile, he sent Glenn Maxwell an email

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in twenty fifteen, saying that he had some questions about

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Virginia Roberts. We have the picture that is front and

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center as far as the evidence goes. We have Steve

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Scully's testimony about what he saw on the island, and

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we have a slew of other things that go into

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proving what Virginia has to say.

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Speaker 2: Here is the truth.

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Speaker 1: Now, this is a defense I wasn't expecting from Prince Andrew.

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Oh she's over the age of consent. I mean that

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probably should have been your first defense, right, Hey, look,

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she was over the age.

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Speaker 2: What do you mean?

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Speaker 1: Nah, I don't know her, I never met her, none

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of that stuff. But all of a sudden, she's over

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the age. So I would hope that Virginia's lawyers would

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latch onto that and you know, use that to their

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benefit because it's obvious that this guy's bullshitting around you

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just listen to his story. I mean, come on, really,

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you're in Woking with your daughter at a pizza party. Sure,

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that's what the Prince of England does, goes to Woking

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to a pizza party with his daughter. You know, last

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week I was down at Chuck E Cheese Pizza and

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Barack Obama and his family. They were all just you know,

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hanging out. Come on, man, give me a break already.

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Who buys this nonsense. That's why you have servants. That's

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why you have all of your grooms and your cooks

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and all the other nonsense you so called elite have

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around you.

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Speaker 2: You're not going to know.

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Speaker 1: Pizza party with the common folk out and woking. Give

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me a break, And where are all of the people

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that saw you out of this pizza party? That's something

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people would remember. No, the Joe exotic of the Windsor

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family having a slice might be something people remember. But

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he's going to try and get the whole entire lawsuit

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thrown out because he says that Virginia was older than

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the age of consent, so she filed the case under

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the New York Child Victims Act, and that allowed victim

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survivors to sue their abusers if they were younger than

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eighteen when it took place. And at the time, Virginia

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said she was holding Prince Andrew accountable for what he

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did to him. But now Prince Andrew says that he

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is asking a judge if they'll throw out the lawsuit.

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And now it's all well it's the legislation is unconstitutional

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and the issue of consent is unsettled. And you see

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how they've pivoted. And here in this article from the Sun,

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his lawyers go on to say the Child Victims Act

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is not a reasonable mechanism to address the injustice of

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child sex abuse in New York as classifies those under

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the age of eighteen as miners, even though the age

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of consent in New York is seventeen. Well, they need

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to figure out the confusion with the law. There's no

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doubt about it. It needs to be clear. And once again,

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as Jensaki likes to say, we always end up circling

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back to the lawmakers, don't we the people that are

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supposed to put laws on the books and you know,

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all of that good stuff. They can't even figure it out.

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They can't even get like basic wording correct. And this

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is the result. I mean, check out the dude down

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in Florida who just walked because of the detectives violating

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his his constitutional rights. Dude was down there, shot up

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a whole entire party or some shit, twenty three people, shot,

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three people dead. And this dude's gonna walk now because

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the prosecutors had Noah. I mean the detectives screwed things.

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Speaker 2: Up, his lawyers wrote. The act revives.

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Speaker 1: Claims for those who allegedly suffered harm as a result

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of certain sexual offenses they claim were committed against them

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when they were under the age of eighteen, even though

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the age of consent in New York is seventeen. And

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this is what you get when you have a high

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profile legal team, Right, They're gonna dig into it, and

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they're going to try and find any kind of hole

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in the armor and any way to exploit wording in

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these laws. His lawyers go on to say, here the

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only witnesses to the purported implied threats under which Roberts

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allegedly engaged in unconsented sex acts with Prince Andrew or

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Epstein deceased, Maxwell incarcerated, and Prince Andrew the accused and

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Roberts herself. Okay, so it comes down to who do

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you believe, and where is the evidence and which way

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does it go. Now, it's always been a very very

477
00:31:19,759 --> 00:31:22,400
large ask to think that there's going to be criminal

478
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,319
charges brought against the Joe exotic of the Windsor family.

479
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:32,000
I'm not very confident that will ever happen. But I

480
00:31:32,039 --> 00:31:36,440
think that if we're talking about a civil penalty here

481
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,759
and even in front of a Jerry, I think that

482
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if it ever got that far and a Jerry heard

483
00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:45,960
what Virginia has to say about these people in open court,

484
00:31:46,119 --> 00:31:48,839
it'd be a wrap for them as far as them

485
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:53,359
paying up. Especially the way Jerry's have been handling people

486
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,319
like this for the past few years, you gotta think

487
00:31:56,359 --> 00:32:00,279
there'd be a serious payday and reparations coming from Prince

488
00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:03,440
Andrew if this ever got before a jury. Considering everything

489
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,759
that we know about this now, obviously all we have

490
00:32:07,839 --> 00:32:10,440
is circumstantial evidence, right none of us were there, We

491
00:32:10,519 --> 00:32:10,920
don't know.

492
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 2: Comes down to who do you believe and like For me.

493
00:32:14,839 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: Throughout this whole entire thing, I've tried to follow the

494
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,799
evidence as much as possible and to the best of

495
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my ability, and in doing so, I have been led

496
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,799
to a point where I believe what Virginia has to

497
00:32:26,839 --> 00:32:31,000
say about these people, and I think that her story

498
00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:35,039
is very powerful and her testimony it'll sink somebody like

499
00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:38,279
Prince Andrew. If it gets to a civil portion where

500
00:32:38,319 --> 00:32:40,480
they're actually in front of a jury, I think it

501
00:32:40,519 --> 00:32:43,599
would be a rap for Prince Andrew. So, like usual,

502
00:32:43,839 --> 00:32:45,920
like we've talked about for a while, he's going to

503
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,880
continue to try and get this so it doesn't ever

504
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:54,200
get to the point of being in front of that jury, right.

505
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,319
Her lawyer goes on to say her complaint is ambiguous

506
00:32:58,359 --> 00:33:02,319
at best and unintelligible at w Robert's refusal to include

507
00:33:02,359 --> 00:33:06,359
anything but the most conclusiory allegations is puzzling given her

508
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,720
pattern of disclosing to the media the purported details of

509
00:33:09,759 --> 00:33:13,559
the same allegations. Perhaps it is Robert's tendency to change

510
00:33:13,599 --> 00:33:16,519
her story that prompted her to keep the allegations of

511
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the complaint vague so as not to commit any specific

512
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,799
not to commit to any specific account.

513
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Speaker 2: And why I'm.

514
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,799
Speaker 1: Bringing this up and talking about it here in the

515
00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:29,599
opening is because it's pretty familiar, isn't it. Isn't it

516
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,799
the same way that Maxwell's attorneys are looking to destroy

517
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,400
the credibility of witnesses who have taken the stand against

518
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,039
her in this opening salvo, what Prince Andrew's attorneys are

519
00:33:41,279 --> 00:33:45,160
attempting to do is the same thing. Oh, she's misremembering,

520
00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:48,000
she's leaving things out. She's only speaking.

521
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 2: To the media.

522
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: So the story goes. Now, we'll see how successful they

523
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,799
are with this strategy. But up until this point, it

524
00:33:55,839 --> 00:33:59,640
has not been a strategy that I would like to

525
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,799
hang my I had on if it was for all

526
00:34:01,839 --> 00:34:07,000
of the marbles, that's for sure. In the lawsuit that

527
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was filed by Virginia, she said that she feared death

528
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,320
or physical injury to herself or another and any other

529
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,920
repercussions for disobeying Epstein, Maxwell and Prince Andrew because of

530
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,519
their powerful connections, wealth and authority. And that was a

531
00:34:21,559 --> 00:34:25,000
common theme. A lot of these girls were very scared

532
00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:28,159
of the people Epstein knew that people Epstein was around

533
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:31,440
all the time, and you know the fact that Epstein

534
00:34:31,559 --> 00:34:35,559
had the ability at least they thought to ruin their

535
00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:38,440
lives or their families lives, or you know, make things

536
00:34:38,519 --> 00:34:41,360
very difficult on them, set them up as a drug addict,

537
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:46,079
whatever it may be. So there was legitimate concerns. And

538
00:34:46,519 --> 00:34:50,840
when it comes to Virginia Roberts, her ordeal was a

539
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:55,159
lot more rocky, shall we say, than some of these

540
00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:58,320
other girls. And it's just crazy that all of these

541
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,360
years later, she's still waging this battle against these people

542
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,400
and it's still the same old tactics they've been using

543
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,880
against her for decades, So that's getting ready to crack

544
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,079
off January fourth. I believe we're going to get some

545
00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:16,440
more movement as far as the court goes, and obviously

546
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,480
there's going to be filings and whatnot before then, and

547
00:35:19,679 --> 00:35:22,679
we're going to keep, you know, covering all of that

548
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,079
and keep following it because it's a huge part of

549
00:35:25,119 --> 00:35:29,400
this story overall. And the fact that Prince Andrew, the

550
00:35:29,519 --> 00:35:33,360
Joe exotic of the Windsor family, was so close to Maxwell,

551
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:37,760
so close to Epstein, and is fingered as not only

552
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,280
an enabler, but somebody who took part in the abuse.

553
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,159
I think this story has a lot left to go,

554
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,519
and we have a lot more to learn before, you know,

555
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:53,280
we get to the end point. But I know that

556
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,679
a lot of you who have just found the Glenn

557
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,360
Maxwell case or trial or this story in general are

558
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,880
trying to play catch up now and eventually, maybe this weekend,

559
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,000
I'm going to try and do a I don't know,

560
00:36:07,519 --> 00:36:12,360
a kind from the beginning kind of episode where we

561
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:17,679
condense what has happened in I don't know, a way

562
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,280
where it is a little more digestible. Perhaps obviously it

563
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,480
won't be a deep dive into all of the other

564
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,840
moving parts, but just the basic story and then obviously

565
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,559
you'll have all of these context episodes and stuff. But

566
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:35,000
it's it's a very big story. There's a lot as

567
00:36:35,079 --> 00:36:37,960
far as the scope of it, and it's very far reaching,

568
00:36:38,159 --> 00:36:40,199
and it's confusing, there's no.

569
00:36:40,199 --> 00:36:41,079
Speaker 2: Doubt about it.

570
00:36:41,119 --> 00:36:43,599
Speaker 1: There's a lot of questions where do you even start,

571
00:36:43,679 --> 00:36:47,960
and even there, there's a million different starting points when

572
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,760
it comes to this story. So I'm going to try

573
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,760
and get something like that out this weekend, a more

574
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:59,719
digestible way of understanding the core principles of what went

575
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,559
on here and what occurred. So that's a quick update

576
00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:06,920
there as far as Prince Andrew and what that knucklehead

577
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:11,159
is up to. Now let's move on to Glenn Maxwell.

578
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:12,760
Speaker 2: Tomorrow.

579
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: Obviously, her defense is going to take the stand and

580
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,960
they are going to try and present their case to

581
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:24,519
show the jury that their client is innocent, that she

582
00:37:24,679 --> 00:37:27,800
is not guilty of the things that she's being accused

583
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:32,239
that she has done, and that all of the testimony

584
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,440
that they have heard has been wrong. That's what the

585
00:37:36,519 --> 00:37:39,280
defense is going to do, right, That's what they're going

586
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,440
to try and do anyway, And they have a couple

587
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,480
of things that they are going to focus on. They're

588
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:50,159
going to try and make sure that Jeffrey Epstein is

589
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,400
not Glenn Maxwell, right. They want to make sure that

590
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,840
they're separate. They want to make sure that they're letting

591
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,920
the jury know that Epstein's crimes aren't Maxwell's crimes. That's

592
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:05,760
going to be their they're tall task. And for the

593
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,719
past two weeks, we have heard the other side of

594
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,199
that story, right. We have heard that Glenne Maxwell was

595
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,760
an integral part, an integral part of what went on here.

596
00:38:17,159 --> 00:38:20,360
We have heard that Glainne Maxwell was chief in the

597
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,960
abuse of at the very least these four girls. We

598
00:38:25,039 --> 00:38:29,360
have heard that Glainne Maxwell was used to make it

599
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,280
more comfortable of a situation for some of the parents,

600
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:37,280
her being the quote unquote chaperone. And we know that

601
00:38:37,639 --> 00:38:45,039
they're going to try and hammer that home during cross examination. Meanwhile,

602
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,800
the defense is also going to continue to go after

603
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,840
the memory of the survivors and the witnesses who have

604
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,920
been put on the stand. That's going to be their

605
00:38:54,960 --> 00:39:00,719
two pronged assault starting tomorrow. I think think that it's

606
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:07,159
going to be a rough go for the defense. I

607
00:39:07,159 --> 00:39:08,679
think that it's going to be hard for them to

608
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:14,119
continue on their path here with the memories and all

609
00:39:14,159 --> 00:39:17,280
of that stuff. I just don't know how the jury's

610
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,960
going to take it. Again, I'm not there in the court,

611
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,400
so I'm not seeing the facial expressions or how things

612
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,599
are hitting when there's you know, information dropped on the

613
00:39:26,679 --> 00:39:31,760
jury's lap. But from following it the way we have been,

614
00:39:32,199 --> 00:39:35,280
it seems to me that the prosecution has made a

615
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:39,320
pretty solid case as far as the witness testimony, setting

616
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,079
Glene Maxwell up as a key part of all of this.

617
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So tomorrow you know that the defense is going to

618
00:39:47,079 --> 00:39:49,480
try and hammer the hell out of that and set

619
00:39:49,519 --> 00:39:54,079
it up as the complete opposite. These memories were faulty,

620
00:39:54,599 --> 00:39:57,280
all of these people were on drugs, None of them

621
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:04,840
are reliable witnesses, YadA YadA, as they would say in Seinfeld. Now,

622
00:40:05,199 --> 00:40:07,400
one of the most interesting parts of this for me

623
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:12,480
is going to be how the prosecution handles these witnesses

624
00:40:12,559 --> 00:40:15,320
that are brought up by the defense. Tomorrow, we saw

625
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how confrontational it was with the defense when they had

626
00:40:19,519 --> 00:40:22,519
the witnesses on the stand, and I wonder how hard

627
00:40:22,559 --> 00:40:26,440
the prosecution's going to go. I would guess that it's

628
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going to be a bit confrontational with some of these experts,

629
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,559
but it's certainly going to be interesting to see how

630
00:40:34,599 --> 00:40:39,760
they press and what sort of game plan the prosecution's

631
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,440
going to have. And I guess we'll have that more

632
00:40:42,519 --> 00:40:47,000
revealed to us tomorrow morning when they get the first

633
00:40:47,199 --> 00:40:51,480
witness during cross. But that's going to be very interesting

634
00:40:51,519 --> 00:40:55,400
for me. And I think that these expert witnesses that

635
00:40:55,519 --> 00:40:59,159
come up to question the memory and some of the

636
00:40:59,199 --> 00:41:02,079
other things that they have planned, I think they're going to.

637
00:41:02,039 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 2: Play a pretty crucial role.

638
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,519
Speaker 1: Right They're going to offer up some testimony as far

639
00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:13,639
as their expertise, and then just like when the prosecution

640
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,159
brought up their experts, it's going to be up to

641
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:21,320
the prosecution now on cross to punch holes in what

642
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:25,800
these experts said, so they should have a pathway to

643
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,519
doing that. We talked a little bit about park Deets earlier,

644
00:41:29,559 --> 00:41:34,000
we talked a little bit about Loftis earlier, and both

645
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:38,960
of them have long careers, long history of being witnesses

646
00:41:39,159 --> 00:41:43,760
for people like Jeffrey Epstein, Glenn Maxwell, Harvey Weinstein, you know,

647
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,400
some of the worst of the worst. So these aren't

648
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,079
people who are just showing up with no track record,

649
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,960
and you would think that the prosecution is very familiar

650
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,480
with them and the way they go about themselves and

651
00:41:55,519 --> 00:41:59,400
conduct themselves inside of the courtroom. But I think that

652
00:41:59,639 --> 00:42:01,880
for me anyway, is going to be the most interesting

653
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:06,800
thing tomorrow to get a feel for. And when we

654
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:11,440
see how the prosecution handles themselves during cross I think

655
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,599
that will lay more of a pathway to you know,

656
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:20,679
the rest of these witnesses and what their strategy is

657
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,320
going to be, because I really hope that they go

658
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,760
hard on them. I want to see some you know,

659
00:42:26,079 --> 00:42:29,760
some good hard lawyer work here during the cross examination.

660
00:42:31,119 --> 00:42:35,719
Don't let these people off easy, you know, it's I

661
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,679
think it's an important part of it, right to make

662
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:41,679
sure that the prosecutors come out swinging. The defense certainly

663
00:42:41,679 --> 00:42:45,280
came out swinging. Now it's going to be do the

664
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,360
prosecutors come back just as hard or you know, what

665
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,719
do they have planned? And I guess for me that's

666
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,679
the most interesting part as far as the you know,

667
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,360
technicals of this at this point, I want to see

668
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,800
what they have in their tour box, what they have

669
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:05,239
in store for these witnesses, and you know, it's gonna

670
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,599
be twelve hours thirteen hours from now, and I guess

671
00:43:08,599 --> 00:43:11,760
we'll have our answer. So until then, we're gonna wrap

672
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,639
it up for now, folks and leave it here. We'll

673
00:43:15,639 --> 00:43:18,679
be back tomorrow morning right around the same time, try

674
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,800
and get things started before the trial commences, and then

675
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,039
obviously tomorrow night will do the wrap up as far

676
00:43:26,079 --> 00:43:29,679
as the testimony in the courtroom throughout the day and

677
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:34,320
some of the happenings around the headlines involving the case.

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So I hope that all of you have a great night,

679
00:43:37,039 --> 00:43:39,920
and i'll be back tomorrow morning. If you'd like to

680
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contact me, you can do that at Bobby Capuci at

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