Speaker 1: Hello ladies, gentlemen, and welcome back to the Fallout season
two review series. This is for episode six. I am
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tyr Field, what did you think about episode six for
fall Out Season two?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's where're at now. We're just kind
of really picking up speed, and I feel like, okay,
after last week's episode, like there's there's a lot that
happened here and it kind of really set me for
a loop after seeing Goggin's character just be like impaled
on this, Yeah, this sphere. I don't know what the
Ghoul's limitations are. Again, I'm not very savvy on the
Fallout universe and what the a lot of this stuff
going on, but the character and like these creatures, I
don't know what their limitations are.
Speaker 1: So I feel like they can. I'm sure they can
die a certain way, but I remember there was a
couple episodes ago when she shot him and she was like,
well you can heal and this girl can't. So I
feel like they are. I'm not saying like Wolverine esque
like right away. But I think unless they get blown
to smithereens or something like that, I think they have
they can almost heal from anything. Even though in this
episode seemed like maybe he did need some help, but
I wasn't sure. Was that was that person saving him
or was that just like making the process faster that
I don't know?
Speaker 2: Hmm, Yeah, Yeah, that's a good way to look at it,
because they are different things, but they both had different
meanings to them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, could he survive without that green rock or whatever
that was?
Speaker 2: The uranium?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the uranium.
Speaker 2: I mean maybe if he got his vials, but his
vials well, no, I think no matter what, he would
just he would heal.
Speaker 1: Right, it takes a lot of time, a long time, and.
Speaker 2: The uranium is what expedited that is what he said.
But yeah, I mean I like's character a lot. I
think he's going through a lot of tribulation. I think
he's going to come out on top as a much
more of like a hero after this experience because he
just mentally was just broken in these past couple of episodes.
And even though like we're getting a mixture between the
past and the present, I'm digging it. I think it's
it's great so so far. I've really just been loving
the season a lot more than the first one. In
this episode has continued to keep that trek going forward.
While we didn't get a lot on the Brotherhood of
Steel narrative. I'm wondering if that's ever gonna come full
circle again, or if it's just.
Speaker 1: Not this season. I don't think it's done. I think
because there's so stuff going on. I imagine, God, what's their
buddy name there? Who just immunied against them? Who turned
against them? Why have I forgotten his name? He's like
the third lead. He was like Lucy's. Oh wasn't Maximus?
Because that's who he's pretending to be a Titus, right
Titus or Titan is Titus. Yeah. I think we will
dovetail him get back to that, just not this season.
I think eventually he will bump into those characters, maybe
next year or another year. But I don't think the
Brotherhood of Steel is done forever, just maybe for now
this year.
Speaker 2: M hm, Yeah, that makes sense. Uh, Are we done
with like the Kevin McAllister stuff?
Speaker 1: I think so. I thought we weren't. I thought we'd
return to that, but I'm I'm pretty disappointed in that aspect.
There's a couple of things that I feel like we're
kind of a little bit of cock teases. I will
agree with you that this general episode overall, I did
really like because I've had a different where I feel
like it's been similar. And I've said this before that
it was like with it Welcome to Dari Warre. I
was enjoying the show, but not really like, oh I
got to see what's next. I will see or I
will say because I already see this last week and
this week I think both ended in ways that I
was like, Okay, I am actually very excited for what's
gonna happen next. Today I did watch obviously five and
six back to back because I was on the review
last week, But even the ending of five, I was
ready to go and get into six. So I think
for me, the season is picking up, which is good.
I still have oral enjoyed it sometimes to really enjoyed it.
But on that aspect of two, because I wasn't here
last week, but Ken mccawster whatever's character was here, I
don't know, maybe near the end or maybe we bumping
too and he's a gool in the future, but I
was kind of disappointing because I liked him. I liked
him in the role. It just it was a weird
like in the I guess it was just a guest spot.
I guess right, because it was longer than a cameo,
but it wasn't like long enough to be like a
supporting character. So I guess it was just a guess
about where he's on for a little bit. And then
the other one because the last episode I was on,
I was with Dylan and it was when they had
the deaf the death claw or not a cliffhanger.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that really was nothing at all out that.
Speaker 1: That was super disappointing. So the show, I think, does
it a couple of times where they said something out
really fun or interesting and then like, yeah, we'll get
to that later. Oh we don't know if we're gonna
come back to even for you, like the brother was
still like, ah, there's a civil war, but that might
be later on. Like even in this episode, I felt
like we got and I guess we can just talk
about Titus because he only had a few pisodes so
or a few scenes. I'll just say over all this episode,
I did really enjoy it, other than a few little hiccups.
But this is I don't know which would be my
favorite of this season and mightveen this week or last week,
one of the two. I feel like we're building to that.
But with Titus, we got him just they escaped that
power armor suit and then they talked about if they're
gonna sell it, they're not doing that thereby a fireplace talk.
I can't remember his buddy name. If I can't remember Titus,
I'm not gonna remember his.
Speaker 2: Name name, yeah, because he's a ghoul now. I can't
remember his name.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Which also, while he's with I thought he was
gonna go back if he's here, who's watching those kids?
Speaker 2: Ah? Well, I guess he just left them on their
on their own, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But he was there to help like save them, right,
So I just feel like, couldn't they He could come
back and they might be like murder or something like yeah,
off screen and whatnot. Like I thought we're gonna get
a whole half an episode of them find that death Claw,
and we didn't even get like a like a full
minute of it. We didn't got nothing zero percent. At
one point when Walton Goggins got lifted up. I did
think it was a deaf claw and I thought we
were doing this stuff of oh man, because I'm somebody.
I'm sorry if people like this, it's fine, I get it.
I saw all the tweets and all the think pieces
of you know what I love about man or Boba
fet the show. They humanized the sand people, the Tusken raiders.
They're not just monsters, not just beasts. They are living
creatures too. That's great for me, somes in a world
I just need them to be monsters and terrible things.
So at first I thought it was a deaf clause like,
oh no, I don't need this thing, like, oh that's
why they didn't attack is made with the Ghoules. There's
some connection there, so we'll get to that. So I
was happy that didn't happen. But and I know, I
guess I was talking about Wolton Goggins a little bit here,
but with Titus, Oh sorry, anyways, that's why you can't
leave the wasteland. They could just get killed. But that's right.
The last episode that me and Dylan we're talking about
two was like, okay, honestly, Titus is gonna eventually meet
up with Lucy and the Ghoul, and we were like, Oh,
is that gonna happen in between? That's gonna be a
very last thing. Would they even say that the next season?
Who knows? Man, I know it was one episode between,
but it felt, I don't know how you felt it
to me, felt very easy how Titus and his friend
just linked up back with the Ghoul like get very easy,
like And I didn't get the sense of like, okay,
maybe because we saw them leave and then episode five,
I don't think last week they're in at all, right.
I think they were in the back seat. They weren't anywhere,
So I wouldn't what I would have loved the show
to open up with this season or not this scene
in this episode or somewhere in this episode was a
we saw them walking, But I would have loved a
montage of showing like they've been walking for days NonStop,
like they've been on the move like Frodo and Sam,
and maybe I could believe it. Then I'm like, Okay,
they've just been move in and they got here. It
feels like they have even got that far from the
initial location. So for me, again, I don't mind that
we're he's back with Google. Obviously they have a tentious relationship,
and I'm sure they will mean we get Titus and
Lucy again, which was like a fun, you know, budding romance,
but I uh that actively will take points off because
they know we joke about these shows all time fast traveling,
but with this situation of being gone for so long
and so far off and a whole other thing, just
to kind of almost bump in the ghoule didn't really
work for me. So how did that play for you?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that it was way too coincidental
and like, okay, maybe they were trying to just subtly
slide it in there where okay, get me my vials,
get me my vials, and then you know, dog dog
Meat just grabs the hat and then saunders off. It's like, okay,
that's them planting the seed. But then he just shows
up randomly at this camp where Titus is like, is
everything just within close proximity of Vegas? Is that that's
how it works? Because I thought that they were really
really far away. I thought they were like in California
or whatnot, And you're telling me they went all.
Speaker 3: Over like Titus's crew you thought that, yeah, because they
were by the ocean, there's the pier, Like yeah, well
not just Titus's crew, but even like Vault thirty thirty
one to thirty three, Like that's really far away.
Speaker 2: But now I feel like those characters are now kind
of close to to Vegas too, Like I.
Speaker 1: Guess because that lady that his sister, because I know how
much to I guess we have like a little story
that has evolved there. But her brother when she was
talking that girl, she was a part of people from
near the end of last season, right, that kind of
exposed her dad, right, was telling what really happened, which
characters helped so the so the brother, remember he was
talking that lady that was very like covered in dirt
and garbage. Yeah, I think that, Yeah, she was a
part of that kind of she revealed the truth, right,
that was part of her story. I thought, yeah, yeah,
So even then, let's say, okay, her brother is what's
they are where Lucy and the Ghoul left at the
beginning of last season. To your point, again, not only
does it feel close, it's just like I guess he's
actively looking for his sister. If like this is the
first time I could be wrong, but this is the
first time I recall him the show that he's talked
to another character in the Wasteline. It's been like, oh yeah,
she went this way. So it just kind of feels like,
for our point of view, the first person he's asked like, oh,
I know your sister. She's probably dead. But this is
so again everything feels very easy. But we did get
revealed that he kind of has a confident with one
of the girls in there, or confident I should say.
They had a you know, fun back and forth about
their pets and everything. And then he has revealed to
her that Okay, the jig's up for him and she
trusts It seems like she trusts him and gets as
far as oh yeah, this isn't part of the plan.
I woke you guys up early because she says like,
oh man, when the other people find out, and we
have that guy who's been on his ass for these
past club episodes like me and mugging them everything already
was suspicious of Lucy's brother found out, and then this
episode ends with him end of his story end with
him getting choked out. I don't think he's dead now
that like I know it sounds bad and nothing. That's
the actor. I wouldn't shed it tear if this character
was gone. Like, I really don't have much. I know
they got to get them back with Lucy, but I
think we've all us and the Discord have said that
I'd say ninety percent of this and the vault stuff,
Like again, we got some more vault stuff in this episode.
I just don't really care that much. They just haven't
made it interesting enough for me to feel invested. So, yeah,
what do you think about the stuff going on Lucy's brother?
And then we got a little bit of the vault
of those two vaults clashing there. But again, I don't
know much to add for it.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sick and tired of this whole like
meeting thing, Like I got my little meeting here and
we're using up the water and the food and people
love the snacks. It's like, man, you guys just deserve
to die at this point, Like this is natural selection.
It's finest right now, right like, and there's only a
few people here that are trying to actually make a
difference and put their foot down and say, hey, this
is actual survival, Like we need to be conscious about this.
And it's like no, no, no, we're gonna have our snacks.
We're gonna have all salty snacks. So people get really
really thirsty because we're running out of water. It's like,
oh my god. So I'm ready to kind of move
on from that. But this is what I was selling
Dylan last week is that we've got a lot of
different narratives going on right now. I'm wondering how they're
all going to tie together between because now we got
Titus and Goggin's character, well.
Speaker 1: I'd say Titus is kind of squared off because the
Brotherhood is still thing. I'd say it's done for now,
and now he's going to be back with Lucy and
uh goole. So I think that that's that's one story down.
Speaker 2: That's one story. And then yeah, okay, so we got
Lucy and the dad, and then we've got the fallout sorry,
the vault dwellers that are on their own. Yeah, so
the brother dealing with the crew from a vault tech
because you got attacked, and then we're dealing with people
in the vault.
Speaker 1: So even though that's cool story, those are somewhat separate
because you have like this storyline of Wolton Goggins and
his wife. Right, obviously it's day, but we're still getting
a lot of screen time of it.
Speaker 2: So so it just to me seems like, Okay, we're
going to kind of deal with like a climactic conclusion
back at home base, back at the vault, because we're
going to have Lucy escorting her dad back there, and
I think that's going to be a relatively quick track.
Speaker 1: Is she going to get back there?
Speaker 2: I don't think that's I think it's gonna I think
it's gonna be really really quick. I don't think we're
going to focus on what's in this vault here. I
think like Barbara Howard and whatnot. Like, I think that's
gonna be a play like in the next season when
God's character goes back there or something like that. I think, Okay,
what's his name? Is it Hank, Lucy's father?
Speaker 1: Oh, I can't remember. I know it's Cod McLaughlin.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think I think so he's going to
be I think he's going to be properly goe escort
it back to vaults thirty one to thirty three, and
that's gonna in three really, I think so, because it's
gonna tie But how how is how is like the
home vault's going to tie into the store with Lucy though?
And how are like the upstairs vault dwellers that are
up there with the brother how are they going to
tie into this story now too?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Because I think once they maybe they see Lucy carrying
like the guy her dad and they're like, oh, you're
you know, we know who you are, Like yeah, hey,
Bosta da da da, And then they go into the
vaults and they see the two vaults that wore with
each other, right.
Speaker 1: Like maybe like I think there's a version of that
could happen with somebody. You were, right, Hank is his name? Over?
See your Hank McLean or McLean? U. My worry is
not worry. But I guess I think what they're gonna
do is they're gonna interlink the Brothers storyline with the
vault people because they I can't remember the specifics. I
didn't rewatch last season, but some of those Falt people
are the ones that put the brother locked up in
that vault, right, they kind of got rid of him
he found the secret. So I feel that the guy
who's like the big vicious, like you're lying to us
that choked him out. He could be the one that
goes back to a vault or finds out what happens,
and that's interlinking where they find out more about the
situation and the vaults and maybe they take over. I
just feel like, if you were to ask me, do
I believe that Hank's gonna go back there for judgment
or die? I think he died before he got back there,
Like along the way, something's gonna happen, So I don't
think it's I don't think we're getting back there, especially
because it's not like that vault is looked at as
like an actual good place, right it's very if he
and I guess you could get somewhere. They go back
and some join with Hank and some join with Lucy,
But I don't know if I need Lucy in her
whole band of people. So if I feel that's what
gonna happen, is they're gonna just put the brother's storyline
the vault people. Somehow that'll go together. But I don't
think Hank is. I don't think it's happening even right now.
It seems like Lucy was having second thoughts about that,
right because you know, and I want to ask you
this because this kind of goes into me and if
Hank will survive. Last I think was last week when
Goule made the deal, which I really liked that. I
liked that he constantly that one time he shot that
kind of innocent person that was dying, he betrayed Lucy.
I like that he is constantly making choices against her
main character. I feel like we see so many movies
and shows and even games where the characters like, I'm
a badass, I'm an ass sole like he can't trust me,
but all I do the whole time is like good things.
Like as much as I think Hugh Jackman as Wolverine
is a great performance, but like you watch X one, like, yeah,
I don't like he's a hero. He's trying to say people,
it's like, are you really that much of a badass?
Like I think every once in a while, the reluctant
heroes have to reluct and do something. I don't know
if is relunked just a word by itself. I don't
know it is now because all words are made up,
all of them have to do that. So I appreciate
they always right because especially last episode, Goole felt like
he was being really nice to Lucy, almost over the
top of his pattern in the back, I'm like, this
is odd, Like I feel like I can buy them
growing together, but full I'm just like supporting while she
throws up. But the turn. What I was gonna ask you,
because I didn't get the chance to listen to you guys,
was reviewed. I don't know if you talked about it,
Goole traded. The idea was, hey, I got I'm assuming Hank.
I got your wife and daughter. They're here the sedated
or whatever it may be. They are here safe. If
you want a chance to see him, you gotta give
me my daughter. Do you think that's real? Because I
think Hank's bluffing. I don't think that's real.
Speaker 2: You don't think it's real.
Speaker 1: No, I'm not saying they're dead. I'm just saying he
could use that information to get Lucy back. And my
pitch to you is that so I could see Hank dying.
Is ghoul in his rage when he gets there and
finds out that Hank lied and they're either dead or
not there, He's gonna be mad and just cap him
right in the head. That's what I think is gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see that because he was ready to
kill him before.
Speaker 1: Right, Yes he was, and Lucy kind of saw that.
Speaker 2: So Lucy just that, Yes, I could see that. I
could see that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so you think there's chances they are not there.
I'm not saying they're dead, but.
Speaker 2: I don't think they got chips on their their brains
if if that's the case.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so. I think maybe we were.
And my only reason is I think the daughter is
still in play, the thing about the wife, and because
we can talk about the flashbacks with the ghoul the
second they did, because the whole season one, season two,
it's the ghoul. What's this? It's Howard, right, he is
a Cooper Hower Howard Cooper. I think it's okay, Howard.
I think I'm still gonna say Walton Goggins are the ghoul.
But anyways, when we hit those flashbacks, him be in
the act or Cooper Howard season one, season two, he's
finding all this stuff at about his wife and everything
bad she's doing. But up until this episode, they never
spoke about it. Right, she didn't know that he knew.
So to me before that, I always thought Oh, well,
that's why I think the ghoul is gonna find his
wife and daughter, because he's never had that chance to
motherfucker her. He's never had that chance to be like,
you're a piece of shit, you'd kill these people. I
don't even know you. All the stuff he said in
this episode, I was waiting for that down the line,
But because he said it in a flashback, now, that
makes me worry that the wife because of what war
is there to say to her. The daughter is different,
but the wife, I don't know if she if he's
gonna ever bump into her again, or if he does,
she's like even more like villainous, like she's fully somewhere else. So, yeah,
what do you think are the chances of Maybe not
in this season, but what are the chances with the uh,
the wife and the kid. Maybe maybe the artist froze,
maybe Hank just has him. I don't know. But what
are you feeling right now in your gut?
Speaker 2: I mean, in retrospect, I feel like I feel like
her tank was empty. It didn't look like it was
full the crowd tank. If you go back and rewatch
that scene, but you don't get a clear look at
the daughter's tank.
Speaker 1: Yes, hmmm, that's what I'm saying. I feel like the
daughter is still hanging on and we're gonna get to
his full answer after does that break and we're back.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think that you make a good point
with the pre existing conversation and him kind of letting
loose on Barbara Howard there before the bombs drop. I
think there's definitely a wiggle room for her to kind
of go down a darker path or whatnot, although it
seems like she's unstable about it because when she had
those meetings in this episode, it definitely wasn't peaches and cream, Right,
Everyone's talking about, Oh, we can have private highway lanes
for those that want to pay more to get access
to like leaving the city and stuff. Oh we got
like these beacons that alert people da Dad. So she's
definitely feeling the guilt and the weight of it. But
now we know too that she's got pressure for it
as well. Right, someone was in the elevator with her
and like, well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's from season one. Remember that guy?
Speaker 2: I didn't remember him.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, I think he got killed off. But he
is from season one, Michael Emerson, so they killed him off.
But yeah, he had a role in season one. I
can't remember. I don't know if he was the head
because at one point didn't did they? Weren't they like
Caroen around the head that could talk or something like.
Speaker 2: That, the scientist that was the head. I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was.
Speaker 2: That was him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that kind of tied back there of how
important he was. So yeah, it's just because I like
that she was still trying to whin him back and
I'm your wife and we love each other. I am
just curious because unless they have another conversation these next
two episodes, we didn't get to see. Like I said,
what is the role the wife? I understand the daughter, right,
you want to save her, you love her. I'm not
saying he doesn't love his wife, but if they end
in this way where hey, she maybe helped some of
the stuff go down, maybe it's not the greatest reunion,
or maybe it's just that he it's just his wife
and he knows her and he's gonna save anybody right,
you know, like it's just gonna like someone I know.
I don't know, So let's see. Was there anything? Oh,
I guess we didn't talk about this big thing with
the ghoul. So he's stuck on this pole for at
least half the episode that Lucy kicked him onto or
punched him last week with the power armor, he's stuck there.
I really liked at one point it's like my daughter's alive.
My daughter's alive, and he like hypes and and adrenalines
himself up and he's pulling himself up and then he
just falls right back down. He couldn't get there. But then,
which I have to ask you because I feel like
you knew, But I knew right away. I heard the voice.
The pole gets cut, someone pulls them up, there's a
bunch of stomping as a cloak figure. But you know
who was that? You know who was right?
Speaker 2: Hell boy?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Peerlman. And I knew the second because it didn't
just sound like a monster voice. It sounds like Ron
Pearlman with a little audio enhanced or audio change and whatnot.
But yeah, I don't know. I feel like this was
something that we'll have to ask Dylan about next week
when they when he was dragging him and they just
did this big wide shot like a steershot of a church.
I'm like, this is probably definitely some location or story
from the game that I have no idea what this is.
I just feel like they emphasized like that with his hood.
He had the green skin with the location, and he
had this idea that he's trying, which which was interesting.
He wants to go to war with the people that
did this. He's like, well, they create us, and we
got to kind of show them that, you know, because
you create us and did these terrible deeds, we kind
of have to punish you, right, So it sounds like
he wants to have maybe war against the humans or
I don't know if it's just the Voltech people, but
I'll say the humans. And what I found interesting is
healed the ghoul and the Ghul said, no, I'm just
trying to find my wife and daughter. He didn't like
withhold him against his will. He didn't kill him. He
just said, well, I guess if you're not with me,
I can't help you anymore. And he just dumped them back.
So I found that interesting of like, it seems like
his motivations are kill kill kill. We're like, let's take
all these people that did this to us, but if
you turn them down, He's like, okay, well, well you know,
I'm just saying I give any more Recis resources to you,
so you go away. So what do you think about
seeing Ron Permlin because I imagine that's setting up for
something maybe season three. Like That's why I think this
is a story we don't know about. Like, I don't
think you just get maybe it's just a cameo, but
I think Ron Perlan could have a bigger role as
But yeah, what do you feel about seeing Ron Perlman
in a fun little role? And then what was your
take on this mutant storyline here?
Speaker 2: Forming I don't know anything about the mutants, but I
remember a long time ago talking with I think you
and Dylan and maybe in Kirkland were examining things in
the follow Law a little bit, and there was a
difference between mutants and ghouls and such, and I was
just kind of reading into it. But I don't know
enough about the backstory involving those two factions, but it
sounds like this is definitely not a storyline that they've
introduced that you're going to conclude this season. This sounded like, yeah,
some deep they were building up, like a revolution or
whatnot against I'm assuming the Brotherhood of Steel or something
for their race. This, you know, prejudiced views on ghouls
and mutants and and such. So I'm down for it.
I love Ron pearlman. Man, he's the one true hell Boy.
They got to bring him back for hell Boy three.
I don't know why they haven't yet.
Speaker 1: So you didn't do that, good Taylor, God damn it.
Speaker 2: But no, I think that I think that it's I
think him being in the show is a nice treat.
It's very delightful. And yeah, it's just I think that
there's a lot of this. There's a lot of other
excellent laughing. I don't doing anything, you know, it's Madison's
doing some eye catching things.
Speaker 1: She's I don't know, man, So put it away, put
it away. We're on air, wait to off air hell Boy?
Oh boy? Yeah, these are not good results. Well, I
don't know, it's that's weird. So Hellboy won made ninety
nine million. I thought that would have made more. It's
kind of crazy. You're lucky you ever got a sequel?
Nine ninety nine million. The budget was sixty six million,
so not really much of a profit even when you
put printed in advertising. And then the sequel made It
was made for eighty two to eighty five million. That
made one hundred and sixty eight million, so again kind
of just broke even so so it did make more,
though than the first one, so that is kind of surprise.
But I guess they weren't making too much.
Speaker 2: Then look at the one with David Harbor. That one
just flow. There's the other one after that.
Speaker 1: Oh have you watched that yet?
Speaker 2: I thought, No, I'm gonna go back and watch the
Ron Pearlman one.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I never really liked them those. I gotta try
them again. How about one was fine? Cold Army was
in my bag, but there were some of my more
least favorite Del Tour ones. But did you ever watch
the Harbor one? Because I never saw that either.
Speaker 2: I did. I didn't like it. It was just it
just didn't jive the right way.
Speaker 1: Okay, which sucks is I actually feel like Harbor was
a good choice for like a new hell Boy, but
we got the original one here. We'll have to see.
I think we could maybe get like because there is
two episodes. Maybe there's something in the finale eluding to
this character again or something, but I don't think it's
anything big right now. I think it's future setting, so
I am interested. So we'll see healed the goal and
send him on his way, so we'll see what happens.
And then uh yeah, Lucy finally with her, I think
this is our last big story to talk about. Was
she gets there full? You know. I like the scene
with her dad to oh did you read the book?
And I have time and which I appreciate what they're
trying to go for here, and I guess I'll break
down the specifics of it in a second. But he's
talking about this book. He says like, oh, they you know,
the moral of the story is all his violence, all
these things these people do for each other, and it
was really for nothing, right, And I think, especially now,
like the way they're posing this, because they go to
his office, she's gonna rest him, and he's fully agreeing, Okay,
that's what you have to do. He's like, oh, I
respect you. You haven't changed that much. Let's go out. And
then when she goes down the office, she sees this
lobby and or whatever work office. It looks very much
like old valtech where he was working of people just
doing work, happy, obeying off. So we know back in
the neck there's chips, but I think what that is
causing is in the I don't know, since the beginning
of time. For many things, especially the Bible, there's the
obviously the choice of free will. We all have that right,
But then there's people I don't think people actively argument
that that idea of well, is it good that we
have free will? If we do all these bad things? Right?
If we steal, we murder, all this type of stuff,
like all the bad things people do. Should people have
the choice of free will? Because look at what they
do with it? Some people? Right, and that's more like
a spiritual like man versus God. This is that same argument,
but instead of God or the Bible, it's like tech
and sci fi stuff. So I like that they're taking
that very old argument that's been around forever, or just
that thing that people a pontificate about all the time
when bad stuff happens and think about, Okay, instead of God,
it is science and there's people using technology. And to
his point, he brought out these two people that were
from different tribes. They're fighting literally to the death. They
don't care what's going on. They don't care what's happening.
They are trying to actively kill each other. And he
tells Lucy that, hey, if you push this button, it'll stop,
and then when she does, they stop, and they don't
want to kill each other anymore. They could be friendly.
So that's where it is interesting. They give him a point, right, where,
of course, like we are in the side of like
I think most people are of, Like, you want people
to have free will because the people that do the
right things and do good things deserve that. Officer's people
that abuse it like anything else. But that's where in
this world it's like, Okay, well, sure, free will is
it all it's cracked up to be when people are
just savages and they're gonna destroy one another, where hey,
they might have some control under them. But my idea
is we could be a utopia again. We could all
be happy. You're kind of living a lie. Right, It's
almost like Matrix two. Right, you can live in the
matrix and eat that amazing steak, but you might not
taste it, but at least you're in a steak and
you got a big house. So yeah, what do you
think about's going on with this storyline with their dad,
and obviously you talk about hurtaining about what do you
think about the end result here of foreseeing all these people,
those tribesmen. Obviously when we first saw him, think it
was episode one, he was working on this tech to
get it perfect. Seems like he's perfected whatever he was
missing so well.
Speaker 2: The thing that I was kind of confused with because
he's what is perfect. The only difference is he stopped
taking people from inside the vault, people that were not
exposed to all the mumbo jumbo on the outside, and
so he's just been taking people on the outside exclusively
and hooking them up and it's working. So that that's interesting.
And I'm not sure why. If it's like the radiation
or something like that that's kind of acting as an inhibitor,
or he did perfect the technology, I don't know, but yeah,
he doesn't ever strike me as the guy that's kind
of like and I feel like this season has been
kind of undoing the character Hank, because I just see
him as being like this weird side guy, like secretary
guy to Barbara Howard. He's taken notes, he's just a weasel,
yea like halfing a mump and around and stuff like that.
I don't feel like he's the guy that would be
running the show.
Speaker 1: And he's though. That's the thing that these flashbacks, right,
he does keep popping up, so he's always around. So
I wonder if he in the time the explosions happen,
if he learns and moves up the chain a little bit,
or if he's just one of the last people that
were around, or maybe he does something illegal. I get
stuff for information he wasn't supposed to know because I
agree with you where he doesn't seem like I guess
I don't know where how oh right, because Richard House
said it was like they had a month, right, I
think last episode till the explosions because they said or
he's like moved up a month, So we don't know
exactly where it is. But we don't know the exact
amount of time from Howard and his wife's conversation and
the bombs going off. So I guess com macglaughlin could
move up. But it seems that he is just as
sidekick in the background. But again, he's always around though, so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, that's true. But yeah, interesting to see
how he plays out.
Speaker 1: And what do you think's gonna happen? Because you think
Lucy's gonna take him there. So if he takes him
to the vault, what's gonna happen to all these people
in the office.
Speaker 2: I think they'll just keep working, right, I mean, they're
just an automation.
Speaker 1: So I think what's gonna happen in my opinion is
he's doing this as a test. He's being very appreciative,
he's being very understanding so he can try and win
Lucy's trust back. And then because at the end, near
the end of so when they're attacking people and says, oh,
touch the button, I think he's gonna try to use
that as like out of top before we're okay, things
are bad out there, and yeah there's pre will choice,
but look what we could give people. I think he's
gonna try and convince her, and when she's still against that,
it's gonna turn and she's good. He's gonna have those
people turn on her. I don't killer, but I think
he can even threaten to put that thing on the
back of her next. So that's how I feel was
gonna happen. He's gonna try to like kind of like, uh,
Stockholm syndrome her a little bit, and when she says no,
then he's gonna go for the attack.
Speaker 2: I honestly thought maybe he already had it on her
and her hair was covering it and we just couldn't see.
Speaker 1: Oh, but I don't think that's happened.
Speaker 2: You don't think that's happened.
Speaker 1: No, not yet, I don't think so that'd be a
big that'd be a big off screen, Like she hasn't
done anything crazy yet, right to warrant that, Like I
feel like maybe next week, if she does something that's uncharacteristic,
I would return back to your theory. But she hasn't
done anything yet. All it seems very in point with
U Blue.
Speaker 2: But I mean it can be on your neck, but
you're not like activated, right, like you're not true doing it.
So I meaning you could.
Speaker 1: Do that where maybe she's gonna take him out the
door and then he as the last minute, turns that
on and then that's why she can't take him.
Speaker 2: Something like that, or we'll get a bigger we'll get
a bigger moment. We'll be in like Vault thirty three
and like it'll be a climactic scene and then he'll
be like Shazza and then controlling her.
Speaker 1: I guess that's risky. What's gonna like, why is he
getting control? Or he could just control her not to
go anywhere? Well you could wall.
Speaker 2: There's got to be a specific moment, a specific reason.
Is going to be something that we just don't know yet.
I feel like that's the that's the case.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't know. So yeah, was there anything else
from this episode and notes or any storylines or moments
we haven't touched upon? Nope, Nope, that's it. So yeah,
there you go. We are done fortnight. We'll be back
next week, maybe with the Trinity, the Trifecta. Talk about
the penultimate episode, I'm sure that one's gonna have a
very good cliffhanger. We'll see, I guess probably what we're
gonna have the Ghoul, Titus and his friend head over
to Lucy and do a lot of stuff. I'm sure
it's gonna be maybe a reveal or two. We haven't
seen what happens with mister House yet, so uh yeah,
we will be back next week, and I promise you
it'll not be boring.
Speaker 2: Bye,