1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,399 Speaker 1: It's time to celebrate the biggest team sport known to man, 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:07,040 where modern day gladiators collide for all the glory on 3 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,919 the gridire Let's talk some college football on Cougar Sports 4 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:12,080 with Ben cred. 5 00:00:15,279 --> 00:00:17,359 Speaker 2: Welcome back Cougar Sports. One of three nine ninety eight 6 00:00:17,399 --> 00:00:18,879 point three es to be at the fan. I've been 7 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,800 prittal broadcasting from our Bandwealth Studios, Banterwealth dot com. Get 8 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:24,920 on a free Q and A no obligation to advance 9 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,000 Q and A with our tax more wealth Advisors, Certified 10 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,760 financial planners. Nobody does it better than Banderwealth, Banterwealth dot Com. 11 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:33,640 But he's stop a little college football segment. Going to 12 00:00:33,719 --> 00:00:35,759 delve into a few things here. Is relates to b 13 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:37,399 what you and the transport. I've been getting asked a 14 00:00:37,439 --> 00:00:41,119 lot of questions about the transfer portal. How many transfer 15 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:45,439 portal players will be, what you acquire? What's been the average? Okay, like, 16 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:49,159 what's been the average number of players that BYU has 17 00:00:49,399 --> 00:00:51,759 acquired via the portal. 18 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,359 Speaker 3: I'm gonna give it to you here, so stay tuned, 19 00:00:54,719 --> 00:00:55,719 don't go anywhere. 20 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 2: Plenty to get to on a Wednesday, January fourteenth edition 21 00:00:59,479 --> 00:01:01,560 of Cougar's Sports here on one of three nine ninety 22 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:02,200 eight point. 23 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 3: Three ESPN the Fan. 24 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 2: They're segment gonna be brought to you by Orthropros of 25 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:09,480 Utah in American Fork. We distribute orthopedic and sports medicine supplies. 26 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,840 We try to manage your pain. 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Yeah, Texas Tech or 45 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,359 Utah Tech rather at home. You're gonna get Texas Tech 46 00:02:00,599 --> 00:02:04,719 hopefully in Arlington. Right Boom shaka Laca. You also welcome 47 00:02:04,719 --> 00:02:09,120 in Arizona Wildcats to Leavell Edward Stadium, ASU to Lavelle 48 00:02:09,159 --> 00:02:12,280 Edward Citium, Baylor Bears to Level Edward Citium, Iowa State 49 00:02:12,319 --> 00:02:15,879 to Lavell Edward Stadium, Cincinnati to Leavell Edwards Stadium, and 50 00:02:16,439 --> 00:02:19,439 of course Notre Dame the Fighting Irish. You head out 51 00:02:19,479 --> 00:02:25,319 on the road versus Kansas, Colorado State, tcu UCF and 52 00:02:25,439 --> 00:02:30,400 the University of Utah so far Cougarnation chiming in on. 53 00:02:30,479 --> 00:02:33,919 Alan Corby says, we'll see you guys in Arlington. That's right, 54 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,680 Texas Tech Garrett SF. Garrett is glad that ASU and 55 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:39,759 U of A will both be at. 56 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:40,759 Speaker 3: Home this season. 57 00:02:41,039 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 2: I think that bodes well for BU as well. Daniel 58 00:02:43,759 --> 00:02:46,960 Evans says, excellent. Now, if the Big Twelve Conference would 59 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,000 tell us the dates already, we would be feeling much 60 00:02:50,199 --> 00:02:53,599 more excellent. Not sure why they're the slowest conference and 61 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,800 tell us at eight by a long shot. Will Osborne 62 00:02:58,039 --> 00:03:02,240 just gives a gif. I like that you smell if 63 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,240 the rock is cooking and then kous Corner says, win 64 00:03:05,599 --> 00:03:09,400 the whole freaking thing. Ronald, your reaction to the twenty 65 00:03:09,479 --> 00:03:11,159 twenty six schedule as you peruse it. 66 00:03:11,719 --> 00:03:14,039 Speaker 4: I like this as I perused through it. Obviously, look 67 00:03:14,599 --> 00:03:16,599 b I think was supposed to play Maybe Cal been 68 00:03:16,879 --> 00:03:19,960 that first week of August. Oh excuse me, last week 69 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,080 of Augus. Wow, No, that's fall camp. Let me apologize 70 00:03:22,159 --> 00:03:24,840 to the fans before someone tweets at me. No, maybe 71 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:26,879 they were supposed to up the season August twenty ninth 72 00:03:26,879 --> 00:03:29,039 against Cal. That's not gonna be the case because now 73 00:03:29,039 --> 00:03:30,680 this has been replaced ordered Dame. Has been reports of 74 00:03:30,719 --> 00:03:32,719 that game is going to be in October. But love 75 00:03:32,759 --> 00:03:34,120 for that game to be played early to get the 76 00:03:34,199 --> 00:03:37,039 fight in Irish to be the sweating Irish in August. 77 00:03:37,039 --> 00:03:39,240 But that won't be the case. There'll be a little 78 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,080 bit chillay maybe so the freezing Irish. Anyway, I like 79 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,680 that you're starting off against Utah Tech September fifth. It 80 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,560 gives you an opportunity to, I don't want to say, 81 00:03:47,639 --> 00:03:50,280 run up the scoreboard, but bear to really show what 82 00:03:50,319 --> 00:03:53,039 the offseason did with the connections of the receivers. Haven't 83 00:03:53,039 --> 00:03:56,360 played through three quarters and Look, I've been pitching having 84 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,199 the backup quarterback have an entire quarter, and I know 85 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,039 that Boa Is gonna play their starters and do it, 86 00:04:01,039 --> 00:04:03,520 but I need to see the backup quarterback at by 87 00:04:03,639 --> 00:04:05,800 you in this game late. I know this is gonna 88 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:07,840 be a whole offseason talk Ben, but I need to 89 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,039 see them in the Utah Tech game ball out in 90 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:11,919 one quarter, show that they're capable of running the offense. 91 00:04:12,039 --> 00:04:14,479 Nothing against Bear, but when he's not able to run 92 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,079 Ben or push off, he gets hurt like that. I 93 00:04:16,079 --> 00:04:18,040 need to see if Enig Watson can do that. I 94 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:19,680 need to see if Traycon Borgae can do that, or 95 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:21,160 if they decide to bring in another guy. Is it 96 00:04:21,199 --> 00:04:24,279 going to be, you know, a high level class guy 97 00:04:24,319 --> 00:04:27,240 that you know, excuse me, younger classman guy that's a 98 00:04:27,319 --> 00:04:29,920 high high level star. I don't know, but I think 99 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:31,720 that's good. And then look, you're gonna get a week 100 00:04:31,759 --> 00:04:33,680 off to you know, be able to have the buy 101 00:04:33,759 --> 00:04:36,160 and then you're gonna think, go right at what is it? 102 00:04:36,199 --> 00:04:39,000 Colorado State? Right after that, and then you have Arizona. 103 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,399 Arizona State needs to just listening order we know know 104 00:04:41,399 --> 00:04:43,839 when specifically, but I like the home Slate. I really 105 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,920 think this does BYU favorites to play at Lavelle, especially 106 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:48,680 at night, It's gonna be difficult, and I would have 107 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,920 to asson been looking at this Iowa State, this Baylor, 108 00:04:51,959 --> 00:04:55,360 this Arizona Arizona State game, all of these games be 109 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,720 in a night in the West Coast game on a fifteen, 110 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,399 because if it's not Utah, it's BYU. That's just how 111 00:05:00,399 --> 00:05:03,680 the TV rights fall, even for Fox being ESPN or Fox. 112 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,319 These are great opportunities for BA to play because it's 113 00:05:06,319 --> 00:05:08,959 tough for BA to lose at night in LaVale. And 114 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,120 then you go to Kansas, who's in the rebuilt mode. 115 00:05:11,399 --> 00:05:14,120 You know, I don't think you know Jayalen Daniel's gonna 116 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,319 get another year, but Kansas is probably one of your 117 00:05:16,319 --> 00:05:18,800 tough games. Is gonna be tough to win there. TCU 118 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,399 would be tough, but you got them last year. UCF 119 00:05:21,399 --> 00:05:23,720 and then Utah those are your only tough games on 120 00:05:23,759 --> 00:05:25,920 the road, and depending how those fall been and what 121 00:05:25,959 --> 00:05:28,920 the travel schedules, like, this is legit talking about a 122 00:05:28,959 --> 00:05:31,720 twelve and oh season next year with all of these 123 00:05:31,759 --> 00:05:33,800 games and going ten to zero in Big twelve play. 124 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:35,600 Excuse me not knowing Big twelve player. I think it's 125 00:05:35,959 --> 00:05:38,600 very possible. And if you only have to meet Texas 126 00:05:38,639 --> 00:05:42,079 teching the title game, anything's possible. Been in those games, 127 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,680 so I like the schedule. It's very favorable. And look, 128 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:46,680 a lot of people lost their quarterback. You know, Arizona 129 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,079 State lost their quarterback. I know they bringing someone new. 130 00:05:49,759 --> 00:05:51,920 Baylor still, I don't know if they still have Sir Robertson. 131 00:05:51,959 --> 00:05:54,360 I think they do. Iowa State, you lost Rock Obec 132 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,160 and the running back Matt Campbell left. That's going to 133 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,439 be a new coach. Brendan Soursby left Cincinnati. Kansas is 134 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,399 getting new quarterback Josh Hoover is apparently committed to Indiana. 135 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:04,720 So you're gonna be playing a lot of people that 136 00:06:05,959 --> 00:06:07,519 Utah has a new coach. There's gonna be a lot 137 00:06:07,519 --> 00:06:10,360 of new systems, and I'm not a lot of new verbiage. 138 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,600 I think this is a great opportunity for BYU to 139 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:16,319 be able to have returners, have a culture that is returning, 140 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,279 and get all of those guys back. I'm gonna do 141 00:06:18,319 --> 00:06:20,639 a deep dive. I want to look at these rosters 142 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,399 and see what's the attrition, what's the turnover at key positions, 143 00:06:23,639 --> 00:06:25,480 and guys coming in. Because when I look at that 144 00:06:25,519 --> 00:06:27,879 and I look at BYU, I like all of their 145 00:06:27,959 --> 00:06:29,959 chances been lining up with anybody in the Big twelve. 146 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,519 Speaker 2: Next year, it's gonna be a great day to be 147 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,279 a Cougar, I think in twenty twenty six. As you've 148 00:06:36,319 --> 00:06:38,879 mentioned a couple of different things, a better roster or 149 00:06:38,959 --> 00:06:41,920 arguably a better roster, more talented or more experienced roster 150 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:46,560 in twenty twenty six, I mean fortuitous. Look at all 151 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:50,759 the home games against the best teams that are on 152 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:55,120 your schedule. Arguably it's gonna be tough to go into Kansas. 153 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,519 Kams could have a bounce back year. TCU could have 154 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,839 a nice bounce back year as well. They finished strong. 155 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,800 They lost their quarterback though Hoover, so they're gonna figure 156 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:07,000 out how to rebuild. But hey, that backup quarterback didn't 157 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,519 look too shabby. They got some they got some ammunition 158 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:16,519 in their in their clip. UCF in Orlando, Utah is 159 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:20,600 gonna be a tough one, uh in at Res Eckle Stadium. 160 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,439 So I think it bodes well for BYU and just 161 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:29,399 grateful Texas Tech isn't on the regular season schedule. Okay, 162 00:07:30,079 --> 00:07:32,879 A couple other things as well as we delve into it. 163 00:07:33,519 --> 00:07:37,759 The the transfer portal, it giveth and it taketh away. Right, 164 00:07:37,879 --> 00:07:42,519 what has BYU done historically in the transfer portal? 165 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,319 Speaker 3: Okay, let's just start off. 166 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 2: With like two thousand and I don't know, twenty twenty one, 167 00:07:48,319 --> 00:07:51,639 twenty twenty, I don't know if that maybe maybe that's 168 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,399 going too far back. Let's go with twenty twenty two. 169 00:07:54,399 --> 00:07:57,079 I feel like that was when we really jumped into 170 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,600 the transfer portal era. So in two thousand on two, 171 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:06,680 b YU acquired only six incoming transfers. Cioni Vicoso offensive lineman, 172 00:08:07,079 --> 00:08:10,800 Enick Nawahine running back from Utah State, Christopher Brooks col 173 00:08:10,879 --> 00:08:14,399 running back, Houston Hemouli running back fullback from Stanford, gave 174 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:19,639 Judy Lalley cornerback from Vanderbilt, and then Kingsley Suamatia, Oregon 175 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:26,120 to b YU. Outgoing transfers werew So there's eight of them, 176 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:32,919 eight outgoing Transoni fow Villiami, Telsinga Victory Vodka, Baylor Romney 177 00:08:33,519 --> 00:08:40,200 ended up going to Adobe, Rhett Riley, Bentley Hanshaw ended 178 00:08:40,279 --> 00:08:42,480 up at Liberty, Kate Perrish ended up at Utah State, 179 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,600 and then Jock Wilson left. 180 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:46,639 Speaker 3: I don't know if he ended up playing. 181 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 2: So that you have six to eight six incoming, eight outgoing. 182 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:55,720 Twenty twenty three was a big hall, massive hall. Sam 183 00:08:55,799 --> 00:09:00,840 Vanderhart punter, Harrison Taggert linebacker, Dion Smith running back, Camden 184 00:09:00,879 --> 00:09:04,639 Garrett cornerback, Darius Lasser, wide receiver, Caleb e. E t 185 00:09:04,879 --> 00:09:08,440 n offensive line, Keelin Merrion wide receiver, Jki Corn offensive line, 186 00:09:08,399 --> 00:09:12,120 a j Von Pachhn linebacker, Paul Miley offensive line, Waylon 187 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:16,440 Lapuahu offensive line, Jackson Craven's defensive line, Dylan Flowers cornerback, 188 00:09:16,639 --> 00:09:23,159 Wyatt Dodd defensive line. Sioni moa linebacker. Athlete, was also included. 189 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:28,360 Aiden Robbins running back, Isaiah Banya defensive line, Keton Slovians quarterback, 190 00:09:28,399 --> 00:09:32,120 Crew Wakeley defensive back, Will Farren kicker, Eddie Hecker cornerback, 191 00:09:32,159 --> 00:09:36,559 Ian Fitzgerald offensive line, Simiell Mowala offensive line. You had 192 00:09:36,639 --> 00:09:42,879 twenty outgoing transfers vias o Ifua, mac ol Aloisio Brooks, Miley, 193 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,600 zoom S Blynd, George Udo. Remember a lot of these 194 00:09:45,639 --> 00:09:51,200 guys were the prior staff's pushouts to the new staff's 195 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:54,799 pushouts Dean Jones, Logan Peelee, Isaiah Perez gave you the 196 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:59,440 that was a loss, Corbyn Green, Clark Barrington, that one 197 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,440 hurt Tallin TOGII, Nathaniel Gillis, Keenan Peely, that one hurt, 198 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,200 Logan Fano, that one hurt Tate Romney, that one kind 199 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:10,480 of hurt Dallon Holker, that one hurt Campbell, Barrington, Jacob Conover, 200 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:14,480 and then Terrence fall. So that one was a giveth 201 00:10:14,519 --> 00:10:17,840 and it taketh away right because you've got some really 202 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:23,720 nice portal acquisitions, and he went twenty three and twenty, 203 00:10:23,759 --> 00:10:27,799 so you acquired twenty three, lost twenty twenty twenty four. 204 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 3: Though it stabilized a little bit. 205 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 2: Only ten incoming transfers Austin Leusa, Marquis tali Ou, McKay, Hillstead, 206 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:40,480 Isaiah Jada, Shay, Bryan Strawther, Darien Stewart, Tracon Borgay, Jack, 207 00:10:40,519 --> 00:10:44,559 Kellymore Collins, and Gary bohannan outgoing transit yet eighteen. 208 00:10:45,919 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 3: The headliner for that crew. 209 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 2: Was Danny sae Lee, defensive tackle who ended up at 210 00:10:50,519 --> 00:10:52,480 Arkansas wanted to be closer to the home. 211 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 3: Et cetera. 212 00:10:53,799 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 2: Ryder Burton left, Devin Downing left as I you left, 213 00:10:56,759 --> 00:11:00,919 Garian Stewart actually ended up leaving, so I guess ddition subtraction, 214 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:07,720 Nasiri Danielson, Nukolovi, Hilu Zion, Allen, Nick Phillips, Kate Moore, 215 00:11:08,039 --> 00:11:12,080 Quinton Rice, Dylan Rollins, Dylan Flowers ended up believe he 216 00:11:12,159 --> 00:11:16,279 sold Jamyava Peters, Austin Riggs, Michael Day, John Henry Daily, 217 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:21,200 and Dominique Henry wide receiver. I kind of miss dom Henry. 218 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,240 Shout out to Dom Henry. He was a productive guy 219 00:11:23,639 --> 00:11:26,799 in high school. I haven't checked his stats, though, that'd 220 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,519 be a fun fact. Dominique Henry, see see what he 221 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:34,200 acquired or see what he produced statistically at Florida Atlantic. 222 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 3: The last couple of seasons. 223 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 2: Anyway, twenty twenty five, you acquired thirteen and you lost 224 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:45,679 twenty seven or some of these guys you know you 225 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:46,639 didn't nlessar lose. 226 00:11:46,919 --> 00:11:48,879 Speaker 3: Some of them were pushed out, but some of them 227 00:11:48,879 --> 00:11:49,399 were lost. 228 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:54,759 Speaker 2: Include were Patti Carson, Sue Sue, Josh Singh, Simoni, Davis, Harrison, Taggart, 229 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,759 Kielan Marion, Porter, Small, CoA Eldridge, Western Jones, Nason Coleman, 230 00:11:58,879 --> 00:12:03,559 Lanta Rico, Nathan Hoak, Cale Breslin, Kate Fenigan, Carson two 231 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:08,440 j Jake Iikhorn, David Latu, Noah Lugo, Dlon Johnson, is Moa, 232 00:12:08,759 --> 00:12:12,360 cru Wakelee, Dalton Riggs, Dona Jovea, Cody Epps, Michael Harper, 233 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,759 Jackson Bowers, and Miles Davis and Shitty Moha. So like 234 00:12:15,799 --> 00:12:19,879 you lost some talent there and you acquired ten guys 235 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:25,360 or thirty's thirteen Tiger Bachmeyer, Justin Kirklandavian Beasley, Alvin Puefua, 236 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:31,080 bear Bachmerkied Kano, Tonavasa, Max, Alfred Carson, Ryan Anisi, Perceeltasi, 237 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:35,240 Ilia Kana, Andrew Gentry and Kyle suferchok so a nice 238 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,360 A decent haul there, and right now you're sitting at 239 00:12:38,399 --> 00:12:44,480 seven incoming transfers with twelve outgoing. So that's where we stand. 240 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:49,519 So I think we've been able to stabilize it. I 241 00:12:49,519 --> 00:12:53,279 don't think you're gonna acquire twenty plus guys anytime soon. 242 00:12:53,720 --> 00:13:00,679 I think the retention efforts is what Kalani has been pushing, right. 243 00:13:00,919 --> 00:13:04,600 We get the guys that are bought in to what 244 00:13:04,639 --> 00:13:08,080 you're doing, how you're doing it, and keep them there 245 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,840 by the way. Dom Henry forty receptions this last year 246 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,679 for Florida Atlantic twenty twenty five five hundred and seventy 247 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:18,240 five yards, four touchdowns. Shout out to the Saint Augustine, 248 00:13:18,399 --> 00:13:21,480 Florida Negative Dominic Hendry Formard be with you, Cougar. I 249 00:13:21,519 --> 00:13:24,039 really like dom Henry. I don't know about you, Roddy, 250 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:25,399 but I kind of hope that he would do. 251 00:13:25,639 --> 00:13:27,639 Speaker 4: I was upset that that one happened, you know, like 252 00:13:27,759 --> 00:13:29,879 I just I remember I was going in and out 253 00:13:29,879 --> 00:13:32,360 and I just it was funny he went into the portal. 254 00:13:32,399 --> 00:13:34,879 I think it was like later that late morning or afternoon, 255 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,600 and I'm walking in and out late at night with 256 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,720 Emily and yeah, yeah, and it was like, isn't that 257 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:41,960 dom Herrn just went in to the portal. 258 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 3: I was like, yeah it is. 259 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 4: And She's like, you're gonna say something. 260 00:13:44,279 --> 00:13:46,159 Speaker 3: I was like, ah, yeah, I'll say something I say. 261 00:13:46,799 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 4: I was like, okay, so just when I've talked to 262 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,639 him and hello chat, that's private, so I'm not gonna 263 00:13:50,639 --> 00:13:53,559 reveal that, but I was. I expressed that I was 264 00:13:53,799 --> 00:13:56,559 sad that he never got a chance because Ben I 265 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:58,600 remember talking about him after a spring ball and then 266 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,000 falk Cow was hoping to see him and just never 267 00:14:01,039 --> 00:14:03,799 got the chance to was upset by that, but always 268 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:05,720 makes my heart happy when they're able to go elsewhere 269 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,120 and play and ball out, because that's what it's about. 270 00:14:08,759 --> 00:14:09,159 Speaker 3: Real quick. 271 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,159 Speaker 2: Some transfer portal news. Michigan is working on transfer quarterback 272 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,799 Cam Calhoun, the former Utah transfer who started surprised in 273 00:14:15,879 --> 00:14:19,840 ann Arbor. However, a rival has emerged as a big threat. 274 00:14:20,399 --> 00:14:23,360 He was at Alabama this last season. So Cam Calhoun 275 00:14:23,399 --> 00:14:26,919 has bounced around a bunch and he could be ending 276 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,480 up at Michigan. Be a good acquisition for Jay Hill 277 00:14:30,519 --> 00:14:32,919 and Jerannalo Gilford. They've kept in contact with him and 278 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:37,000 are very aware of huge talents and his abilities. By 279 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:42,720 you still looking for a cornerback, I think BYU needs 280 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,000 a quarnerback. Some people feel like, okay, do we need 281 00:14:45,039 --> 00:14:49,000 a backup quarterback? Do we need I remember Dante Bell 282 00:14:49,279 --> 00:14:53,320 was listed as a possible acquisition that was rescinded. It 283 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,720 looks like it was no longer on social media after 284 00:14:56,759 --> 00:15:00,399 about twenty four hours. So how is b what you 285 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:04,159 film about their backup quarterback position with Tracon borgae Enick 286 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:08,600 Watson and uh maybe maybe others will have to take 287 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,120 a look at the rest of the roster there RB two. 288 00:15:11,559 --> 00:15:13,279 Speaker 3: Do you need an r B two or do you like. 289 00:15:13,279 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 2: What you got in in in and who's coming back 290 00:15:16,799 --> 00:15:21,320 from from this year? But I definitely think you need 291 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,879 an additional cornerback. And there hasn't been any reports thus 292 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,440 far that b Y who has offered. No Pete nay 293 00:15:27,559 --> 00:15:33,759 Coast reports, no Hayes Fawcet reports, Uh no Brandon Hoffman 294 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:38,320 or Blair Angulo reports going on right now. So uh, 295 00:15:38,519 --> 00:15:41,440 we'll see, uh, but there's still there's still plenty of time. Guys, 296 00:15:41,519 --> 00:15:46,759 Do not fret, do not uh be overly concerned. B 297 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,720 YU will find some guys, and it may be after 298 00:15:50,799 --> 00:15:53,120 spring ball. All I'm saying is, I'm just saying, don't 299 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,720 don't uh uh, And I point to a number of 300 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:00,399 guys that have been acquired, big time players off infensively 301 00:16:00,399 --> 00:16:05,879 and defensively. Bear Bachmeyer Tiger Bachmeyer were required after the spring. Okay, 302 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,440 this last this last offseason, and and so you don't 303 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:13,360 need to get them right away, you just don't. 304 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:14,879 Speaker 3: You can get them after spring. 305 00:16:17,159 --> 00:16:19,639 Speaker 2: I want to say, I'm trying to think of who 306 00:16:19,679 --> 00:16:22,000 else was required after spring. Maybe defense, We'll have to 307 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,840 check check the timeline but I feel like b Y 308 00:16:24,919 --> 00:16:26,919 has been able to acquire great players, even going back 309 00:16:26,919 --> 00:16:28,879 to like twenty nineteen. I mentioned this earlier in the show, 310 00:16:28,879 --> 00:16:31,360 Tyson Williams great running back. 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Guys number eleven, bo of your 382 00:19:33,279 --> 00:19:35,759 returns to the friendly conference tonight of the Marriage Center 383 00:19:35,759 --> 00:19:40,359 on a beautiful evening. Hopefully we're getting the muck out 384 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,319 of the air. Need a little bit of moisture. But 385 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,200 they host TCU tip off is a late one nine 386 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,920 pm mount time, and if you don't want to head 387 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,000 out there and watch the game at the Marriage Say, 388 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:52,559 if you don't have tickets, you can watch it on 389 00:19:52,759 --> 00:19:55,200 ESPN two. Dave Fleming and Sean Farnham are going to 390 00:19:55,279 --> 00:19:58,160 be on the call. Wednesday will be the twenty fifth 391 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,160 all time meeting between the Cougars and the horn frog 392 00:20:00,279 --> 00:20:03,640 The twelfth in provo. BYU holds a twenty to four 393 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:08,319 advantage in the series, pretty lopsided, not all that competitive, 394 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,279 including seven straight wins at the Marriott Center dating back 395 00:20:12,519 --> 00:20:15,640 to their days in the Mountain West Conference the Mountain 396 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,359 West Conference era and their only other meeting at the 397 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,640 Marriott Center as Big twelve O's b WA overcame a 398 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,480 seventeen point halftime deficit to defeat the horn Frogs eighty 399 00:20:24,519 --> 00:20:26,960 seven to seventy five on March second, twenty twenty four. 400 00:20:27,039 --> 00:20:30,680 Richie the Todd King Sanders Saunders is the only remedding 401 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,640 Cougar that played in that game, as the Riverton native 402 00:20:33,799 --> 00:20:37,240 and the Wassatch Academy product finished with eleven points in 403 00:20:37,279 --> 00:20:39,640 twenty four minutes of action, going four to five from 404 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,920 the field and one to one from the three point 405 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,400 line and three for four from the free throw line 406 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,480 the Charity Stride. He also had seven rebounds and two 407 00:20:47,559 --> 00:20:51,160 assists as the Cougars outscored the TCU horn Frogs fifty 408 00:20:51,319 --> 00:20:55,519 eight to twenty nine after halftime. They did a nice 409 00:20:55,680 --> 00:21:00,359 job there, and so did Richie. BYU's back and ready 410 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,720 to defend. It's eleven game home win streak versus the 411 00:21:03,759 --> 00:21:07,799 TCU home Frogs tonight that begin with that eightieighth to 412 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,000 sixty five victory over Kansas State on February fifteen, twenty 413 00:21:11,079 --> 00:21:14,319 twenty five. Their current home win streak is tied for 414 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:19,039 the twenty second longest in d NC DOUBLEA Division one 415 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:23,960 men's basketball. Okay, that's an impressive run, Ladies and Gentlemen, 416 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:25,599 Boys and girls. The Cougars are seven to zero at 417 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:29,640 home this season, including eclipsing the century mark in back 418 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,240 to back games in the same season for the first 419 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:36,519 time since December nineteen ninety two. They are one of 420 00:21:36,599 --> 00:21:40,160 the top offensive teams in the country when playing at 421 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,920 the Marriott Center, ranking second in net ratings right now, 422 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,880 second in two point field goal percentage and fourth in 423 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:51,160 offensive rating, fourth in true shooting percentage and fourth in 424 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,039 effective field goal percentage, sixth in field goal percentage, in 425 00:21:54,079 --> 00:21:56,359 the seventh in fast breakpoints. 426 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 3: So I believe Ken Palm has him. 427 00:21:58,079 --> 00:22:03,559 Speaker 2: As the eighth overall best offensive team in college basketball 428 00:22:03,559 --> 00:22:06,720 on eighteenth on the defensive side of the ball, and 429 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,119 they have tremendous talent. But let's get to know the foe. 430 00:22:10,319 --> 00:22:13,039 Ladies and Gentlemen, that are tuning into the show as 431 00:22:13,039 --> 00:22:15,200 we prep get ready for this BYU TCU match up 432 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,079 a late tip off. Let's welcome in Brian Estridge, the 433 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,279 voice of the TCU Hornfrog. So the show, Brian, How 434 00:22:20,279 --> 00:22:21,519 are you Ben? 435 00:22:21,559 --> 00:22:24,559 Speaker 5: I'm doing great? Man? Ready for little conversation going on here? 436 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,079 Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, I was breaking down BYU side. 437 00:22:27,799 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 5: Of the ball. 438 00:22:28,799 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 3: Man. 439 00:22:29,079 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 5: You had the numbers down, dude. 440 00:22:30,799 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, we got it. 441 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,519 Speaker 2: We got to get into all the knicks and crannies, 442 00:22:33,599 --> 00:22:34,720 all the metrics, you. 443 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,279 Speaker 3: Know what I mean. And I've been looking at TCU 444 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:37,759 as well. 445 00:22:37,799 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 2: This is a team that's trying to find its groove 446 00:22:41,079 --> 00:22:45,079 offensively defensively though they're a top twenty five program right now. 447 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,799 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the offense who has really come on, 448 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,200 Jamie Dixon, has been pleased with how they've handled himself. 449 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,880 He wasn't exactly totally pleased with what they did defensively 450 00:22:54,839 --> 00:22:57,200 to start the ball game against Arizona. But you and 451 00:22:57,279 --> 00:23:00,400 I both know Arizona's a freaking basketball team, and then 452 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,480 the defense let them down in the end. At Kansas 453 00:23:02,559 --> 00:23:04,519 score one hundred points. You would think that that should 454 00:23:04,559 --> 00:23:07,720 be enough at Allen Field House to come away with 455 00:23:07,759 --> 00:23:09,920 the victory. So he's actually been pleased with the way 456 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,359 his offenses responded in the last couple of games, but 457 00:23:12,799 --> 00:23:16,079 wants to see that intensity continue on the defensive side. 458 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,359 That's kind of what Jamie Dixon's teams have hung their 459 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:19,839 hand on over the years, and he wants to do 460 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:20,880 happen again this year. 461 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:26,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, even when you know this TCU team hasn't been 462 00:23:26,279 --> 00:23:28,359 producing a lot of points, they were winning. They had 463 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,599 a nice winning street North Texas Incarnate Word or Roberts 464 00:23:31,599 --> 00:23:33,759 flord To and m Jackson State, and you got to 465 00:23:33,799 --> 00:23:38,640 win versus Baylor. Not the most arduous stretch of games, 466 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,759 but it looked like you guys were finding ways to 467 00:23:40,759 --> 00:23:43,279 win outside of just getting buckets. 468 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 5: Well some of that, obviously, you know, is dictated by 469 00:23:46,039 --> 00:23:47,839 the opponent too, and many of those teams trying to 470 00:23:47,839 --> 00:23:50,720 slow it down, you know, Incarnate worders, so those guys 471 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,519 didn't want to necessarily run as much for TCUs as 472 00:23:53,559 --> 00:23:55,519 you would think. And then and then the Bayer game 473 00:23:55,599 --> 00:23:57,279 was you know, that was just a testament to Big 474 00:23:57,319 --> 00:24:00,839 twelve basketball. You know, both teams had come in throwing 475 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,960 up big numbers offensively. I think Baylor had scored one 476 00:24:04,039 --> 00:24:07,160 hundred and three straight games, and that just felt like, 477 00:24:07,519 --> 00:24:09,240 all of a sudden, you pull on the brakes because 478 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:13,799 big twelve plays started, every possession mattered, And so I 479 00:24:13,799 --> 00:24:14,759 think that's what led to that. 480 00:24:15,799 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 2: I'm looking at these games in which, like, for instance, 481 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,279 the Michigan game, the number one team per Ken Pom 482 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,960 sixty seven to sixty three. That was a tough loss, 483 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,480 but you guys stayed competitive. I look at the Notre 484 00:24:27,559 --> 00:24:31,039 Dame game, that was a tough loss. Florida, you gotta win, though, 485 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,400 Wisconsin got to win. This is a this is a 486 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,720 good TCU team, a very competitive versus Kansas, very competitive 487 00:24:37,799 --> 00:24:40,200 versus you of a I don't know if the record 488 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:45,240 necessarily or even the Ken Palm ranking necessarily depicts an 489 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,799 accurate kind of a truth serum of who TCU is. 490 00:24:49,519 --> 00:24:51,319 Speaker 5: What do you have? What do you have? What's Ken 491 00:24:51,319 --> 00:24:54,119 Palm gunna man? You're tracking that for heaven? Yeah. 492 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 2: So TCU right now is let me pull this up 493 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:05,039 really quick. There they are. Let's see here, tc where 494 00:25:05,079 --> 00:25:06,000 you at, Where you're at? 495 00:25:06,799 --> 00:25:08,079 Speaker 5: Like they were right on the bubble. 496 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 3: Fifty second right now. 497 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 2: So they're ninety ninth in offensive efficiency, twenty fourth in 498 00:25:12,839 --> 00:25:13,799 defensive efficiency. 499 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 3: For fifty second. 500 00:25:14,839 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 5: That's pretty I'd say that's pretty accurate. I mean, you know, 501 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:21,279 nobody up until wisconsinbeat Michigan, nobody had played Michigan as 502 00:25:21,279 --> 00:25:24,960 tight as TCU had, and you sit hung with him. 503 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,799 I mean, actually TCU led for late in that ballgame 504 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,680 and Michigan came back. Had Notre Dame beat You're up 505 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,880 double digits on Notre Dame in the second half. Let 506 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,400 that one slip away. That was a tough one. We 507 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:41,039 talked about Kansas and overtime. Arizona's a really good basketball team. 508 00:25:41,079 --> 00:25:43,359 So that's that's four of your five right there. The 509 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,079 one that hurts is New Orleans to start the year. 510 00:25:46,839 --> 00:25:48,799 But you're a basketball guy, you know that. I mean 511 00:25:48,799 --> 00:25:52,119 New Orleans walked in the arena with Master p as 512 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,400 their GM, and he had gone out and signed two 513 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,880 guys nobody knew was on the roster. You know that 514 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,920 could actually play. And so and now I'm not saying 515 00:26:00,039 --> 00:26:02,960 continue you should lose too, You shouldn't, but I think 516 00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:05,559 it probably called TCU off guard a little bit. With 517 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,640 that being said, you know that there were some wins 518 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,839 in there you could have stolen, There's no question about that. 519 00:26:11,759 --> 00:26:14,519 But I think at this point when when you see 520 00:26:14,599 --> 00:26:17,319 how much money you spent in college basketball, especially on 521 00:26:17,319 --> 00:26:19,079 the Big twelve side, you guys know about it here 522 00:26:19,079 --> 00:26:23,920 at YU better than anybody. With the dollars that TCU 523 00:26:24,079 --> 00:26:27,920 has allotted for basketball and the production that they're getting 524 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,640 out of the players that they got out of the portal, 525 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,319 I think folks should be fairly satisfied. 526 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 2: I had no idea that master P was the president 527 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,880 of basketball operations for the University. 528 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 3: Of New Orleans. 529 00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 5: Isn't they crazy? Yeah? 530 00:26:41,799 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 2: Where we are, man, I feel like we got to 531 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,119 get some music going here at the end of the 532 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,880 at the end of the interview, just to highlight Masterp. 533 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,200 Shot at the master P a part of my childhood, 534 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,160 my young adulthood. All right, So you mentioned per dollar spent, 535 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,359 you feel like TuS in a good spot. What type 536 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,240 of nil support is TCU's basketball program getting right now? 537 00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's like in three and a half million. So 538 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:09,359 compare that to be why I. 539 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,640 Speaker 3: Use Yeah, where does that stack up? Do you think that? 540 00:27:13,759 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 2: Where do you think three and a half million has 541 00:27:15,279 --> 00:27:17,799 the payroll? What do you think that stacks up? Like 542 00:27:17,839 --> 00:27:19,920 in college basketball, even in the Big twelve? 543 00:27:20,039 --> 00:27:24,079 Speaker 5: Yeah, And who knows? I would say, it's it's middle 544 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,960 to lower in the MiG twelve. I mean, you look 545 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,759 at by U in Texas Tech respectively. Keynes is obviously 546 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,480 as has been spending it for years, and so I 547 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,319 think you got you know, I think you got a 548 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,720 group up at the top. That's that's a lot different 549 00:27:39,799 --> 00:27:43,359 than many of the teams that the result at the 550 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,519 bottom as far as that numbers. Would you agree, yeah, 551 00:27:46,759 --> 00:27:47,240 I think so. 552 00:27:47,519 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 2: It is a bit reflective of maybe where they're ranked 553 00:27:51,519 --> 00:27:53,440 right now in the Big twelve or tenth in the 554 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,359 Big twelve standings. 555 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 5: Yeah, which is where they were picked right in the 556 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,720 preseason pole I would see. I would say that's probably 557 00:28:01,759 --> 00:28:05,000 about right. Yeah. Isn't that interesting how the money is 558 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,839 is you can follow the money and determine where it's 559 00:28:08,839 --> 00:28:09,920 each finishing league. 560 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that it works for basketball? Is it? Is 561 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,799 it always equivalent in in football? Right now? 562 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 2: Is it? Is it the ones that are paying the 563 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,960 most winning the most? Do you think in college football 564 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:20,319 as well? 565 00:28:21,079 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 5: Well? Taking b YU both were at the top right 566 00:28:25,799 --> 00:28:29,599 Arizona State was up there. I would I would say, 567 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,200 if you look at the Big twelve, that would be 568 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,240 the example that I would use. You know, it seems 569 00:28:35,279 --> 00:28:38,279 like that has been the case, right, Yeah, you. 570 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 2: Know it's the Indiana situation is intriguing to me because 571 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,480 I don't feel like they've acquired as much talent. 572 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 5: Uh and more than we say. I think they've spent 573 00:28:50,079 --> 00:28:53,920 more than you thought you think so yeah, I think 574 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,440 to me have spent more than your team. Tell me 575 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,480 what they have done too, is you know, uh, they've 576 00:28:59,519 --> 00:29:02,519 been they they've also gone out and you know, brought 577 00:29:02,519 --> 00:29:04,319 a bunch of guys from James Madison. They probably don't 578 00:29:04,319 --> 00:29:08,279 have to overpay for so but but he filled in 579 00:29:08,319 --> 00:29:10,480 some holes pretty nicely with the guys. 580 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 3: What what happened with with Hoover? How did TCU lose Hoover? 581 00:29:14,519 --> 00:29:16,519 Speaker 2: I thought I thought, you know, I thought Sonny would 582 00:29:16,519 --> 00:29:18,960 be able to retain him. Obviously he got he got 583 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,200 probably a nice payday going over to uh Signetti. 584 00:29:22,279 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 3: But how's the NIL support. 585 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 5: I think TCU's football and ils is different from the 586 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,799 basketball and then they do have somebody to spend any 587 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,759 and that they would have allowed to have kept Hoover. 588 00:29:34,839 --> 00:29:37,519 But uh, you know, Hoover wanted to go play in 589 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,640 another place. I guess he wanted, uh you know, to 590 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,720 make more money and I think was pretty generous in 591 00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:46,799 what they where they were. I don't really know the 592 00:29:46,839 --> 00:29:49,559 exact numbers, but uh, you know, uh, and and I 593 00:29:49,599 --> 00:29:51,200 don't know that we know what he's getting in Indiana 594 00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:55,240 doing I don't know, actually singing published, but apparently he 595 00:29:55,319 --> 00:30:01,480 is getting more money, and so again follow the money, 596 00:30:01,559 --> 00:30:02,680 right mm hmm. 597 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:03,119 Speaker 3: Yeah. 598 00:30:03,119 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 2: It's uh, it's hard to get old and staled these days, 599 00:30:06,759 --> 00:30:09,039 isn't it. You know, we're doing this for a long time. 600 00:30:09,079 --> 00:30:10,640 It's hard to get old staled right now. 601 00:30:11,319 --> 00:30:14,359 Speaker 5: Yeah, it is. I mean it's you know, it's uh, 602 00:30:14,519 --> 00:30:16,799 it's hard to figure out exactly where we are too 603 00:30:16,799 --> 00:30:20,359 as a sport, uh or really as a you know, 604 00:30:20,759 --> 00:30:24,279 and what what what are we doing in college sports? 605 00:30:24,279 --> 00:30:27,079 Speaker 3: You know this roster you're ruined, man. 606 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 5: You played. You don't want to mess it up, do you? 607 00:30:29,319 --> 00:30:31,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think there's I think it's a 608 00:30:32,279 --> 00:30:35,319 I'm a I'm an entrepreneur, I'm a capitalist. Uh and 609 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,079 so I do like free markets, and the pendulum is 610 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,119 swung and it's probably swung too far. And I wanted 611 00:30:42,119 --> 00:30:44,519 to to get back into center, but you know it 612 00:30:44,519 --> 00:30:48,440 needs to swing as far this direction where there's it's 613 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,759 like kind of a player advocacy era where they have 614 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,720 all the power because the NC double a kind of 615 00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,039 sorta uh uh, you know, kind of pillaged for a 616 00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:03,119 long time, took advantage for a long time, you know 617 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:03,640 what I mean. 618 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,119 Speaker 5: And so, and did you graduate from Walliam? 619 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 3: I did? Yeah, yep. 620 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,119 Speaker 5: How much classes? 621 00:31:11,119 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 3: How much classes? Know? 622 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,519 Speaker 5: How much were classes? How much did you have to 623 00:31:14,519 --> 00:31:15,880 pay to go to class? 624 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:16,799 Speaker 3: Oh? Man? 625 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, look, I was a walk on initially, 626 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,759 so I didn't get the initial scholarship. But you know 627 00:31:22,359 --> 00:31:26,359 there's a subsidy as well because of tithes and offerings. Right, 628 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,119 so if you're a member of the church, your return missionary, 629 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,240 the classes were much cheaper. I think my tuition was 630 00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:36,200 around like twenty five hundred per semester, so it's pretty cheap. 631 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 5: So you had to pay twenty five eleven semesters, yeah. 632 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 2: Until I got the scholarship. Have to pay right, yep, yeah, 633 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,039 one hundred percent. No, there's a there's a question like 634 00:31:44,079 --> 00:31:46,279 when I chocked it up, when I was looking at 635 00:31:46,319 --> 00:31:49,799 the hours allocated when I was on scholarship, when I 636 00:31:49,839 --> 00:31:53,400 was receiving, you know, taking into account the tuition and 637 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,519 scholarship check, I was probably making you know, per hour, 638 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,160 probably around twelve thirteen, maybe fourteen bucks an hour as 639 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,720 a football player in two thousand and seven and eight. 640 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 5: How many other college kids were making it? 641 00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you can make an argument for that 642 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,440 that they weren't making as much or they were making 643 00:32:13,119 --> 00:32:15,440 as much, but they weren't doing something as fun as 644 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:16,079 what I was doing. 645 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 5: Right. Well, we've just we've devalued the degree, you know, 646 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,759 we've devalued the education. When people go, oh, well, you know, 647 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,000 they got to have more than the scholarship is worse something. 648 00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:32,039 I got two kids in college, fortunate one. Both of 649 00:32:32,079 --> 00:32:34,640 them played college athletics. One of them is a Division 650 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,279 one baseball player and goes and goes for free. All right, 651 00:32:39,359 --> 00:32:41,759 it actually makes money going to school. But he goes 652 00:32:41,759 --> 00:32:46,559 to a non nil school Division one, and then and 653 00:32:46,599 --> 00:32:51,519 then he goes to an academy. My daughter plays Division 654 00:32:51,559 --> 00:32:56,920 three softball at a school that's I'm not complaining. She 655 00:32:57,279 --> 00:32:58,880 picked it and then was the right thing for her. 656 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,799 It's as expensive or more expensive than an Ivy League school. 657 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:08,359 M okay uh and so, but to her, the value 658 00:33:08,359 --> 00:33:12,880 of the education meant something, sure, you know, And I 659 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,000 think that's what we have to get back to. Is, Hey, 660 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,079 you're going to get a degree from byun There is 661 00:33:20,279 --> 00:33:24,839 value in that. And I but no one talks about that. 662 00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:26,680 How many guys How many times on your show have 663 00:33:26,759 --> 00:33:29,839 you talked about, Hey, that the student athlete is progressing 664 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,640 towards a degree. You remember we used to hear that. Yeah, 665 00:33:33,359 --> 00:33:35,799 you know, how many guys were ineligible during the college 666 00:33:35,839 --> 00:33:38,319 football bowl season this year academically. 667 00:33:39,279 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 3: A lot of them were, Yeah. 668 00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 5: Well they were they were academic. 669 00:33:42,319 --> 00:33:44,279 Speaker 2: Well well, well, well there was a lot of them 670 00:33:44,279 --> 00:33:46,640 that weren't going to class, like they're not going to class. 671 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, but they're not. 672 00:33:47,839 --> 00:33:53,359 Speaker 5: Ineligible and couldn't play in the ball game because of academics. 673 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:54,839 Speaker 3: No, I don't think any of them. 674 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 5: I think I think there was one when you were 675 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,920 playing that would happen all the sure, So we're not 676 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,440 we're not talking about academics anymore. We're not talking about 677 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,559 the degree, we're not talking about the value of that. 678 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,320 Uh And and so I just think that to me, 679 00:34:11,599 --> 00:34:14,480 that's that that's where the world's changing, and maybe not 680 00:34:14,519 --> 00:34:14,840 for good. 681 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I do. 682 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,679 Speaker 2: I do think there needs to be a balancing of it, 683 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,719 all right, it has to be this has to be 684 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,400 a transformational experience on a transactional experience, right, and you'd 685 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:28,480 hope that education takes precedence with that, but uh, you know, 686 00:34:28,519 --> 00:34:31,519 I mean, look, the NCAA is a two billion dollar 687 00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:35,960 organization and none of that was trickling down to the player. 688 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:40,760 And they weren't allowing for name, image and likeness transactionality, right, 689 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,920 Like if I would have got if I would have 690 00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:47,679 worked at like a any job and received twenty dollars 691 00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:50,360 an hour and that was above what whatever the fair 692 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:55,599 market rate was, that would be viewed as an improper benefit, 693 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,559 and I could be ineligibile, right, like. 694 00:34:58,840 --> 00:34:59,320 Speaker 3: You know what I mean. 695 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,519 Speaker 2: And so it's really hard, like because like ESPN Fox 696 00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:05,320 are making billions of dollars, coaches are making hundreds of 697 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,159 millions of dollars. N ca A is making so much money, 698 00:35:08,159 --> 00:35:10,400 and like the players aren't making I mean, they're getting 699 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,480 their education and that's that's enough. 700 00:35:12,519 --> 00:35:14,159 Speaker 3: And it was kind of like it was it to 701 00:35:14,199 --> 00:35:15,679 a degree. It's it. 702 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,159 Speaker 2: It kind of seems I know this is maybe too strong, 703 00:35:19,159 --> 00:35:23,039 but it's a little bit like indentured, a little indentured servitude, 704 00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:23,679 A little bit. 705 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,760 Speaker 5: Careful dude, you were final on the chartered plane. You 706 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,440 had all tons of gear. You ate seven meals a day, 707 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,639 you know, I mean, uh, chicks, w you I mean, 708 00:35:34,679 --> 00:35:37,679 there's it's a little it's a little different than an 709 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:38,840 indentured service. 710 00:35:39,559 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 2: I know it's strong, but I mean it was it's strong, 711 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,519 but I mean you're you're only talking about the highest 712 00:35:46,599 --> 00:35:50,079 level right of of of play, you know, power for 713 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:55,239 power five And so it needs to balance, right, and 714 00:35:55,239 --> 00:36:00,079 and the the answer is what, Well, the university H 715 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:00,960 level are. 716 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 5: The only ones that are getting paid right now, you. 717 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,719 Speaker 2: Know, so, but everybody else is getting an education D 718 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,880 one double a FCS. They're getting education, right, you're you know, 719 00:36:12,119 --> 00:36:14,800 And so I agree with you. There has to be 720 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:19,079 a balancing effect here. And but you know, universities could 721 00:36:19,079 --> 00:36:21,840 have stepped in at any time and offered W two. 722 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,159 They could figure out a W two salary. But the 723 00:36:24,159 --> 00:36:26,719 institutionals don't want to do it. Why don't they want 724 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,039 to employ their students, their student athletes and say hey, 725 00:36:30,039 --> 00:36:31,480 well you get to go to school as well as 726 00:36:31,519 --> 00:36:34,880 you're as an employed person. They don't want to pay 727 00:36:35,079 --> 00:36:38,159 workman's comp they don't want to protect them, so they're 728 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,360 they're a commodity and they're transacting from the player while 729 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,800 making money off of them over the last years. Universities 730 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,559 are as much to blame as the NC DOUBLEA, ESPN 731 00:36:46,599 --> 00:36:47,039 and Fox. 732 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 5: Of course something out here. Student athletes don't want to 733 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,360 be employees, right, did you want to be an employee? 734 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,519 Speaker 2: Well, I mean I didn't understand the ramifications of a 735 00:36:57,639 --> 00:36:59,440 W nine or W two at the time, but if 736 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,079 you would have said, yeah, you get you get workmen's comp, 737 00:37:02,599 --> 00:37:07,239 then yeah, I want to I want to be an employee. Yeah, yeah, 738 00:37:07,559 --> 00:37:09,159 I mean, look, if you're going to pay me forty 739 00:37:09,199 --> 00:37:11,719 thousand dollars a year as a W two employee and 740 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,679 take care of me with workmen's comp at a four 741 00:37:13,679 --> 00:37:16,480 oh one K and retirement plan for my five years 742 00:37:16,519 --> 00:37:18,639 and set me up for success, that's a part of 743 00:37:18,639 --> 00:37:21,000 the education as well, right, that would be a part 744 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,719 of Hey, like we're we're an advocate for the student athlete. 745 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,039 But the universities have sat there and washed their hands 746 00:37:27,039 --> 00:37:30,079 of it, taking money and making hundreds of millions of dollars. 747 00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:31,840 I don't know what the the P and L looks 748 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,800 like for TCU, but the universities, I mean, their revenue 749 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,360 in the athletic department, it's it's upwards one hundred million, 750 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,280 hundred and twenty million, hundred and fifty million. 751 00:37:40,159 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 3: Year over year. 752 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,360 Speaker 5: But then they turn around spend it. You know, none 753 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,920 of them are very few of them are profitable. Now 754 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,440 that's a whole nother story. We have a twenty minute 755 00:37:49,519 --> 00:37:52,199 on that we all have. But sure, yeah, you know, 756 00:37:52,519 --> 00:37:55,760 it's how these universities allow these athletic departments to be 757 00:37:55,800 --> 00:38:01,360 run that feduciar respon finuciary responsibility, that is, allow sure 758 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:02,840 athletic directors on down. 759 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:03,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. 760 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:05,760 Speaker 5: I mean you look at the contracts. You talk about 761 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,159 contracts and coaches have the I mean that is ridiculous. 762 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,159 You know, the payouts that are being thrown the coaches 763 00:38:12,159 --> 00:38:13,800 who get let go come on. 764 00:38:14,199 --> 00:38:16,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and the payouts go. 765 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,199 Speaker 2: Lord man, I'm saying, is I appreciate the pendulum swinging. 766 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,440 Does it need to be fixed hundred percent? Let's go 767 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:26,159 collective bargaining, Let's figure out a way to have a 768 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,800 salary cap and things of that nature. But it has 769 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,599 to be under the laws of the land. Either federal 770 00:38:31,679 --> 00:38:34,000 government has to step in and say you can operate 771 00:38:34,039 --> 00:38:38,320 as a monopoly and impose these bylaws and you're we're 772 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,559 gonna give you legal precedents to to be able to 773 00:38:41,599 --> 00:38:44,880 operate as a monopoly or we got to figure out 774 00:38:45,039 --> 00:38:49,400 you know, something else, uh down the pipeline. But you know, 775 00:38:49,639 --> 00:38:51,639 and I think for you, as a play by play guy, 776 00:38:51,639 --> 00:38:53,440 and you've been doing this for a long time, one 777 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,239 of the things that you know, we enjoy as media 778 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,360 members is storytelling, right and getting to know the players. 779 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,079 And it's hard to do that with all this carousel 780 00:39:02,159 --> 00:39:04,880 going on, and it impacts us totally. 781 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,719 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, you know, and that would that'd be a 782 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,840 selfish view to say it impacts me as much as 783 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,199 I do worry about you know, like where do these 784 00:39:13,199 --> 00:39:15,440 guys go for homecoming? Now, if you go to four 785 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,199 schools in four years homecoming, where do you bring your 786 00:39:19,199 --> 00:39:21,320 eight year olds back and say, hey, this is where 787 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,719 daddy played yep, and where's and where's daddy welcome? You know, 788 00:39:25,079 --> 00:39:27,519 think about that with Joshuber. Joshuber would have stayed one 789 00:39:27,519 --> 00:39:29,280 more year at TCU. He would have left as the 790 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,719 number one quarterback in every category, all right, Yeah, the 791 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,519 history of TCU. His eight year old son, and he 792 00:39:35,519 --> 00:39:37,639 could have walked down the hall of the football office 793 00:39:37,679 --> 00:39:40,480 anytime they wanted to, and he could have eaten for 794 00:39:40,519 --> 00:39:42,760 free and for worth the rest of his life. Yep. 795 00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:45,719 But he walked away from it for another five hundred 796 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:46,320 thousand bucks. 797 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:47,039 Speaker 3: Yep. 798 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,360 Speaker 5: Think about a long term decision that is man and 799 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,800 so now all of a sudden he can't bring his 800 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,480 eight year old son back to a place. And he 801 00:39:54,519 --> 00:39:57,440 gave three years to put up some huge numbers, was 802 00:39:57,519 --> 00:40:01,280 highly successful, but he's he's not He's not going to 803 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,440 be welcome here because the fans going, Hey, that's a dude, 804 00:40:03,559 --> 00:40:06,639 leftists that's to do the quit mm hmmm. 805 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:11,480 Speaker 2: No, I think it's powerful, that retention message. You know, 806 00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,320 it needs to be promulgated from every every athletic department, 807 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,079 every football for every football coach. 808 00:40:17,199 --> 00:40:20,199 Speaker 3: Right. And I'm sure it was I'm sure it was pitched. 809 00:40:20,559 --> 00:40:22,960 Speaker 5: I'm sure I'm sure they said it. But i mean, 810 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,519 you know, how do you get that message across and 811 00:40:25,519 --> 00:40:27,679 in the media. We're just as guilty of it when 812 00:40:27,679 --> 00:40:30,280 we say, oh, he opt out of the opted out 813 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:31,320 of the bowl game. No he didn't. 814 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:31,599 Speaker 3: He quit. 815 00:40:32,159 --> 00:40:36,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, he quit. Who decided we need to we need 816 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,679 to glamorize this word in the description of it. No, 817 00:40:40,199 --> 00:40:41,639 they quit on their team. 818 00:40:42,199 --> 00:40:43,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's from Heath, Texas. 819 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,119 Speaker 5: You know, he's a Texas Yeah, exactly. 820 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:47,880 Speaker 3: Yes, you know what I mean. 821 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,800 Speaker 5: And I'm not singling out Josh Hooper when I say quit, 822 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,239 I'm talking about every guy who didn't play in the 823 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,559 bowl game, who was with his team for all throughout 824 00:40:56,599 --> 00:40:58,199 the whole year, who decided I'm not going to play 825 00:40:58,199 --> 00:40:59,880 in that Bowl game because I might get the portal. 826 00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:04,880 I'm gonna do this, you quit, man. Yeah, And isn't 827 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,320 it our responsibility as educators to also hold kids accountable 828 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,119 and teach them what that's like in the real world. 829 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, the long term. I when I'm pitching it, it's this, right, 830 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,360 it's do you want short term learning potential? Long term 831 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,719 learning potential? So don't be so, you can't be short sighted. 832 00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:24,800 You can build a legacy. Yes, you need a fair 833 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:29,079 market wage for the fair market you know, evaluations. But 834 00:41:29,639 --> 00:41:32,719 you know I talk about long term earning potential, which 835 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,320 is educational, right, It's about it's about what you can 836 00:41:36,519 --> 00:41:40,079 make in that community for years to come, ten years, 837 00:41:40,119 --> 00:41:43,960 fifteen down, like real estate deals, commercial deals, whatever, it 838 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,800 could be, entrepreneurship things. And it's hard to see that 839 00:41:47,079 --> 00:41:49,039 when you're just money grabbing, money grabbing. 840 00:41:49,159 --> 00:41:51,400 Speaker 5: But with Kansas State and Iowa State back out of 841 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,840 the bowl games, and they both said, well, our teams 842 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,199 voted and they didn't want to play in it. I 843 00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,840 told you, I told my counterpart of Kansas State. I said, hey, 844 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,800 walk in your athletic direct offense and say, hey, yeah, 845 00:42:03,159 --> 00:42:05,719 if if this basketball team doesn't play any better, I'm 846 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:07,480 not going to the big twelve tournament called the Games. 847 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,440 See how that would go over? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, 848 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,480 but no that we're adults. We don't do that. And 849 00:42:13,559 --> 00:42:15,840 at some point we got to train up these kids 850 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,880 who get to quote opt out to be adults. 851 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,519 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's got to be some accountability that goes. Doubt it, 852 00:42:22,599 --> 00:42:24,039 no doubt about us. Brian. 853 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,079 Speaker 5: Uh, go walk into your boss and tell him, you 854 00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:29,320 know what, until this engineer gets this thing sounded better, 855 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:30,519 I ain't doing it anymore. 856 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:33,719 Speaker 3: That's gonna go over very well. 857 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,440 Speaker 2: Great, Brian, we're gonna we're up against a break. But 858 00:42:37,519 --> 00:42:39,920 real quick, give me a little preview of this game. 859 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,559 What BYU fans can expect from this DCU team, and 860 00:42:42,559 --> 00:42:45,599 give me a uh maybe a kind of a prediction 861 00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:46,559 how this game plays out. 862 00:42:47,039 --> 00:42:49,239 Speaker 5: Sure, I think TCU has obviously got to be good 863 00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,400 defensively because the b YU is gonna make shots, You're 864 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,000 gonna make shots at home. I think TC won't be 865 00:42:54,039 --> 00:42:56,440 afraid to run with the BYU, So I think we 866 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,119 could have a fun game in store for us that way. 867 00:42:59,159 --> 00:43:02,159 If TC gets in any found trouble, they're not real 868 00:43:02,199 --> 00:43:05,000 deep in a couple of spots, so that that's that's 869 00:43:05,039 --> 00:43:07,159 going to be a really important for them. But it's 870 00:43:07,159 --> 00:43:09,320 going to come down to can they weather the storm 871 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,599 that you know is going to arrive here in Provo? 872 00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,519 Can they handle the crowd in what that's like? So 873 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,039 it's gonna be interesting, you know. I think if TC 874 00:43:17,199 --> 00:43:20,159 you can you know, if it's a close game at halftime, 875 00:43:20,199 --> 00:43:22,280 and if those first four minutes of the second half 876 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,239 they could survive that, I think we should have a 877 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:25,320 phone down to the wire. 878 00:43:26,039 --> 00:43:30,039 Speaker 2: Follow Brian on X at Brian Estridge, ladies and gentlemen 879 00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:33,599 and check out his call. Uh if you want to 880 00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,559 hear it from the other side. Uh, where where can 881 00:43:36,599 --> 00:43:38,559 we can we catch that call? 882 00:43:38,599 --> 00:43:38,880 Speaker 3: Brian? 883 00:43:39,039 --> 00:43:40,519 Speaker 5: The best easiest way is just to do it on 884 00:43:40,559 --> 00:43:42,920 the Varsity app. So you cant go to the Varsity app, 885 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,039 download vit listen streaming. 886 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,280 Speaker 3: Nice Brian, Let's catch up again. Too. I loved this conversation. 887 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,039 Speaker 2: I know we didn't get as much into the hoopstock 888 00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:52,599 as I would have liked as you maybe you would 889 00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:55,159 have liked, But I love chatting about this stuff, the 890 00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,880 real the real issues in college athletics. 891 00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:58,480 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. 892 00:43:58,559 --> 00:44:00,760 Speaker 5: Let's let's we saw the world's right here. 893 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,239 Speaker 2: Let's go Bee, Let's go appreciate you brother, thanks for 894 00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:04,639 hopping on. 895 00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:06,719 Speaker 3: All right, that's our show. 896 00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,400 Speaker 2: We're sticking to a download the podcast iTunes, Spreaker, Google 897 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,519 play Music, iHeartRadio, Spotify, support our sponsors. 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