Speaker 1: And I will bring in Bart, considering it is nine
Speaker 1: fifteen and I want to be punctual, So I just
Speaker 1: want to say, Hi, Bart, what's in the.
Speaker 2: Mug earl Gray tea with honey? Because John, we're getting
Speaker 2: over a battle with COVID apparently.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, that's that's that's that's not good. That's
Speaker 1: that's that's a that's illegal.
Speaker 2: You can't have that illegal.
Speaker 1: Yes, So so Bart is now here, so Bart will
Speaker 1: be able to listen to the rant like the rest
Speaker 1: of us. And we're going to listen together to Caleb
Speaker 1: Porter because he was mad after the two two draw
Speaker 1: and talked about two instances. And we come back from
Speaker 1: the Caleb Porter rant, then we'll talk about the two
Speaker 1: instances and what you thought about the two instances themselves.
Speaker 1: Like I said, one has to do with a handball
Speaker 1: that wasn't called. The other has to do with our
Speaker 1: new substitution rule in Major League Soccer. So after the match,
Speaker 1: Caleb Porter was slightly angry about a lot of things.
Speaker 1: And so here's Caleb Porter feeling he was screwed and
Speaker 1: let everybody know about it, especially centerth Timothy Ford.
Speaker 3: We're gonna win a lot of games and we play
Speaker 3: that way. We're very disappointed with the officiating. It's one hundred.
Speaker 4: Percent penalty, kid, It's I don't know how you look
Speaker 4: honestly at the screen and decide.
Speaker 2: Not to give a penalty.
Speaker 4: It is a complete joke. It's a travesty, and there
Speaker 4: needs to be some accountability for that decision because we
Speaker 4: lost two points because.
Speaker 2: Of that decision.
Speaker 4: And we have literally had that same thing happen to
Speaker 4: us three different times where the official has been sent
Speaker 4: to the monitor and there's a clear penalty and the
Speaker 4: official doesn't call it.
Speaker 5: What is happening. It is mind boggling, mind boggling that
Speaker 5: he doesn't call that a penalty. We are the only
Speaker 5: team in the league that hasn't.
Speaker 2: Had one pendle. What is happening.
Speaker 4: I've never seen anything like it. For me, all I
Speaker 4: can say is a complete coward. The referee was a
Speaker 4: complete coward in that moment. Complete coward, and it's a
Speaker 4: Travis people. He shouldn't officiate. He cost our players two
Speaker 4: points today, two really important points, and I'm not gonna
Speaker 4: stand for it.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna stand for it.
Speaker 4: I don't care if I get fined, I don't care
Speaker 4: what don Garber says, what Don Garver needs to do
Speaker 4: is look at that situation, look at the official in
Speaker 4: that situation, and needs to hold this official accountable. And
Speaker 4: then the second part of the joke show clown show
Speaker 4: was giving us a penalty for not getting out of
Speaker 4: the game. Luca was coming on the game because he
Speaker 4: was injured. But we want guys to literally, he couldn't
Speaker 4: sprint me faster to get out of the game. He
Speaker 4: couldn't get out of the game any faster. Initially he walked, yes,
Speaker 4: but then he sprinted out of the game as fast
Speaker 4: as he could it. The referee told me that it
Speaker 4: was fourteen seconds. Fourteen seconds it took him to get
Speaker 4: out of the game. So because he's four seconds late,
Speaker 4: because he can't spread any faster, they penalize us and
Speaker 4: we end up giving away a goal during that penalty.
Speaker 4: The game isn't meant the game isn't meant to be
Speaker 4: played this way. It's an absolute joke. You're supposed to
Speaker 4: as an official, use your discretion in those moments.
Speaker 2: He did not use his discretion in.
Speaker 4: Either of those moments. He missed a clear penalty. If
Speaker 4: he looks at the monitor and decides that's not a penalty.
Speaker 5: He should not be official in this league.
Speaker 4: He's not confident enough to be an official in this
Speaker 4: league if he chooses in his discretion to penalize Luca
Speaker 4: l Angoni when he's sprinting for forty yards to get
Speaker 4: off the field. He's trying to get off the field.
Speaker 4: It was fourteen seconds. The referees are supposed to use
Speaker 4: their discretion.
Speaker 2: He was walking.
Speaker 4: Initially because he was injured. This is a joke, and so.
Speaker 5: It's impossible to talk about.
Speaker 3: The game without talking about those two two months.
Speaker 2: For the official. JO, did you get an explanation on
Speaker 2: that possible handball?
Speaker 5: Did you say what it was or.
Speaker 4: Wasn't He said that his arm was in a natural position.
Speaker 3: So I don't know about you.
Speaker 4: Guys, but I don't see guys running like this or
Speaker 4: jumping like this. If he handled the ball right here,
Speaker 4: everybody in the whole stadium saw the replay. Everybody. If
Speaker 4: that's not a penalty, that's not a handball. I don't
Speaker 4: know what is. But the fact that he actually looked
Speaker 4: at it and decided that wasn't send no molls. You
Speaker 4: can't be in this job if you're a coward.
Speaker 2: If you're not competent.
Speaker 4: I liked him as a person. I think he's a
Speaker 4: good guy. But at the end of the day, this
Speaker 4: is our livelihood, this is these players' livelihood.
Speaker 5: We have to have a standard.
Speaker 4: And even though he's a good guy, he clearly showed
Speaker 4: today he should not be officiating in the league with
Speaker 4: those decisions. That's a win, that's a win for us.
Speaker 5: Then he took away.
Speaker 6: So, Hi, Bart, good morning.
Speaker 1: I thought it would be important to run the entire thing.
Speaker 1: And I know that folks are sitting there going, man,
Speaker 1: that was long, but yeah.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: And it was two issues that I wanted to bring
Speaker 1: up on purpose because I don't like to do sound
Speaker 1: bites in that situation.
Speaker 2: I don't like to do that.
Speaker 1: And so the two elements that Caleb Porter brought up
Speaker 1: was a handball in where it looked like it was
Speaker 1: basically a jump ball and in this case, and what
Speaker 1: I'll do is I will post the link to the
Speaker 1: Blazing Musket articles where they have the screen caps and
Speaker 1: things like that, so folks can see if they didn't
Speaker 1: see the match itself, looked like it was a jump ball,
Speaker 1: and you have a bit of jostling and it is
Speaker 1: a part and as the body goes up, then you
Speaker 1: have that contact and it kind of clatters around shoulder
Speaker 1: and shoulder, then goes away. Then the other element is
Speaker 1: the ten second new rule about get your butt up
Speaker 1: and get off the field or you're gonna play down
Speaker 1: a man. Saint Louis ends up being down a man
Speaker 1: after it was just judge that Luca Langoni did not
Speaker 1: leave in a timely fashion. You're playing shorthanded. It's basically
Speaker 1: a power play for Saint Louis, and Louis cors to
Speaker 1: tie it too with about twenty to go, Caleb Porter's hot,
Speaker 1: which one you want to start with.
Speaker 2: First, Well, let's start with the substitution because I think
Speaker 2: this is a little more cut and dry. Sure. Look,
Speaker 2: I think coaches need to realize that referees this year
Speaker 2: specifically are not going to be playing around because these
Speaker 2: are the rules they've been given. Right, you have ten
Speaker 2: seconds to get off the field. You can exit the
Speaker 2: field at the closest point. You do not have to
Speaker 2: go from one corner flag to the center line. You
Speaker 2: can go off the field wherever you feel is the
Speaker 2: closest point for you. And if you are truly injured,
Speaker 2: then you need to stay down and get that medical
Speaker 2: help and then go off the field for that. So
Speaker 2: I don't really have a whole lot of sympathy in
Speaker 2: that situation, to be quite honest, because you know, if
Speaker 2: the player was truly injured, then he should have come
Speaker 2: off when he when medicals with medical help right. Training
Speaker 2: staff should have been out there, or he could have
Speaker 2: gone off the closest you know, exit at the closest
Speaker 2: point of the field, and I wouldn't have had this issue.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I just don't have a whole lot of
Speaker 2: sympathy for that. And I'll be honest John, going into
Speaker 2: the next one, I don't have a whole lot of
Speaker 2: sympathy for Kayla Porter. Period. You got hired and paid
Speaker 2: a decent amount of money to make a team good,
Speaker 2: and y'all are worse than Atlanta United, which takes a
Speaker 2: lot of you know, it's a lot to accomplish it
Speaker 2: this year.
Speaker 1: There you go, all right, So that was point number one,
Speaker 1: the exit which created a game time goal, and it
Speaker 1: stayed to too. The other incident has to do with
Speaker 1: adjudicating handballs once again, and in this particular instance, once again,
Speaker 1: it looked like it basically it was a joust, the
Speaker 1: jousting moment where you have two players going up, one
Speaker 1: on each side, and you have contact made. And Kayla
Speaker 1: Porter was of the opinion that in the contact and
Speaker 1: as the ball is coming down that it should have
Speaker 1: been a handball call on Saint Louis, and it was not.
Speaker 1: And therefore Caleb Porter once again was upset. Once again,
Speaker 1: go over, if you would please, the idea of handball
Speaker 1: and the the allowances that are given Center Refs when
Speaker 1: it comes to adjudicating a handball in today's game.
Speaker 2: Well, the first thing we're looking at here specifically, is
Speaker 2: does the ball touch a non playable part of the body.
Speaker 2: And it does, right. I think it's very clear that
Speaker 2: it touches somewhere above the elbow.
Speaker 1: At least it was right in here, you know, basically,
Speaker 1: you know, shoulder, rotator, cup ish headed down towards the bice.
Speaker 2: And it definitely touched you know, what I would consider
Speaker 2: an illegal part of the body, right, Like you're not
Speaker 2: supposed to be able to touch the ball with that
Speaker 2: part of body. But you know, was it deliberate? I
Speaker 2: don't think it was deliberate. So there's the first thing
Speaker 2: that we're checking off us the ball does not you know,
Speaker 2: the hand is not moved towards the ball or anything.
Speaker 2: The hand is, however, outside of the natural silhouette of
Speaker 2: the body. Right, he has made his body bigger by
Speaker 2: putting his hand up. So I think there is some
Speaker 2: legitimate question as to why this was not deemed a
Speaker 2: handball in the penalty area. But we're also looking at
Speaker 2: was there Was it a consequence of the The wording
Speaker 2: is justifiable by the player's body movement for that specific
Speaker 2: and that's where I think we get into the gray
Speaker 2: area here, John, is the player is jumping at, you know,
Speaker 2: to seemingly head the ball. We all know that in
Speaker 2: those situations your arms are going to come up. You know,
Speaker 2: you're gonna, in some way, shape or form, be using
Speaker 2: your arms to get more both height and protection. And
Speaker 2: I think the other thing that's not really talked about
Speaker 2: in the laws of the game that but that we
Speaker 2: do talk about a little bit in referee training is
Speaker 2: the idea of deflection or the amount of time you
Speaker 2: have to react to that. And it wasn't like it
Speaker 2: was I don't know, kicked directly into his arm, right.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like Kyle Hebert was thinking about it then, right,
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's like there was it was it was
Speaker 1: a natural reaction to try to contest for for a
Speaker 1: ball that was elevated. So Hebert is trying to jump
Speaker 1: up toward the ball to make contact and he's second
Speaker 1: to make cause.
Speaker 2: So I think there's a legitimate gripe. But I think
Speaker 2: for him to make this to be some sort of
Speaker 2: like you know, the referee should never referee again, I
Speaker 2: think is a very foolish thing. I mean, I would
Speaker 2: argue that Caleb Porter doesn't need to be coaching in
Speaker 2: this league again because the man hasn't been able to
Speaker 2: get a team into the playoffs and god knows how
Speaker 2: many years. So you know, this is one of those
Speaker 2: things where I understand the frustration, but this type of
Speaker 2: reaction is completely It's just unacceptable from Caleb. I mean,
Speaker 2: this is not a as clear cut as he thinks
Speaker 2: it is, especially given the fact that it's more of
Speaker 2: a deflection from you know, it's not like this was
Speaker 2: a long kick that was hid into his arm. It
Speaker 2: was definitely something that was a boom boom play. That said,
Speaker 2: had this been given a penalty kick, I don't think
Speaker 2: that Hebert could have been super upset with being penalized
Speaker 2: for that because, again, to quote the laws of the game,
Speaker 2: by having their hand slash arm in such a position,
Speaker 2: the player takes a risk of their hand or arm
Speaker 2: being hit by the ball and being so yeah, it's
Speaker 2: a risk, and in this situation, I don't feel like
Speaker 2: it was worth penalizing. But had he been penalized, I
Speaker 2: don't think there would have been too much that he
Speaker 2: could have said that would have saved him. I don't
Speaker 2: think that it's I think both instances, I especially the
Speaker 2: substitution thing. Sorry, that's just the rules.
Speaker 6: Them's the rules.
Speaker 2: Them is the rules. And if you are injured then
Speaker 2: you need to make that clearer to the referee or
Speaker 2: something like something, you know, be like, hey, I can't
Speaker 2: you know, leave but he again, you can leave at
Speaker 2: any point in the field that's whatever closest to you. Uh,
Speaker 2: and then goes get medical attention once you're off the field.
Speaker 1: And the the rant toward Timothy Ford. While a lot
Speaker 1: of managers in Major League Soccer in front office, folks,
Speaker 1: I'm sure I have rants about Timothy Ford. Total Atlanta
Speaker 1: being won, the revs being one because Timothy Ford called
Speaker 1: three first half penalties against the revs in a game
Speaker 1: back in twenty twenty two against NYCFC. Carlos Hill did
Speaker 1: remember that when he was asked about it, you know,
Speaker 1: post match about just the game in general. But how
Speaker 1: large and like, we don't really have a base of
Speaker 1: operations here when it comes to figuring out length of
Speaker 1: fines and such. But how big a fine do you think?
Speaker 1: How big an envelope is Caleb Porter going to be
Speaker 1: getting from the League office in New York? How big
Speaker 1: a fine do you think he gets? And does he
Speaker 1: get suspended here? Do you have to make an example
Speaker 1: of Caleb Porter for the words that he said.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a suspension, but I do think
Speaker 2: there's a sizable fine. You know, I don't have off
Speaker 2: the top of my head what a benchmark would be
Speaker 2: for another coach getting fined for referee comments. But I
Speaker 2: mean he'll get fined. It'll probably be a little heftier
Speaker 2: because of the length and the language use. It wasn't profane,
Speaker 2: but it was very strong. Yes, But you know, again,
Speaker 2: the other thing is I would agree that Tim Ford
Speaker 2: has had been part of some very contentious moments in
Speaker 2: MLS this year or even uh and in a year's past.
Speaker 2: So you know, he he probably is the referee who
Speaker 2: needs a little bit more coaching and a little bit
Speaker 2: maybe pay attention more in the uh you know, pre
Speaker 2: season modules talking about how do we be a little
Speaker 2: bit more consistent across referees across all matches. But you know,
Speaker 2: I again, I don't think these two instances are are
Speaker 2: something that is an egregious flaw by his refereeing.
Speaker 1: All right, so let's let's put the the reffing down here.
Speaker 1: Aside as you sample your earl Gray uh, the uh,
Speaker 1: the the US national teams plural they are, they are
Speaker 1: active right now. You have some Hawaiian te action going on,
Speaker 1: you have some M and T action going on. Let's
Speaker 1: start with They'll start with the good stuff. Alex Morgan
Speaker 1: yesterday retires.
Speaker 2: She does. So it was short notice.
Speaker 1: I mean I think it was Alex got to post
Speaker 1: it all and he's like, hey, guys, look over here,
Speaker 1: by the way. Yeah, and so the retirement, the retirement
Speaker 1: notice comes out on social media, turns out more than
Speaker 1: short notice. Twenty six thousand plus end up at Snapdragon
Speaker 1: to see her final match. She gets subbed out in
Speaker 1: the thirteenth minute. She gets a PK saved. Hey read
Speaker 1: the room. Come on, it's her last match. So Alex
Speaker 1: Morgan leaves in the thirteenth minute, very very cool moment
Speaker 1: where she takes off her boots and she walks off.
Speaker 1: When you think of Alex Morgan and her place in
Speaker 1: American soccer, whether it's national league, what have you, When
Speaker 1: I mentioned Alex Morgan, what comes to mind.
Speaker 2: Well, I think Alex Morgan as a player has been
Speaker 2: someone who has just been kind of us. She has
Speaker 2: set the standard for what US women's national team players
Speaker 2: have to be and have they conduct themselves for you know,
Speaker 2: twelve years now, and I think that that kind of
Speaker 2: ability to say this is as this is where you
Speaker 2: need to be as a national team player has been
Speaker 2: integral to the team winning back to back World Cups
Speaker 2: to during her time, maybe she wasn't part of it,
Speaker 2: but during her time winning two gold medals, winning another
Speaker 2: medal as well, she has been part of the greatest
Speaker 2: period of success in US woman's national team history. You know,
Speaker 2: she's also been part of some failures. You know, she
Speaker 2: was part of that twenty eleven team that failed to
Speaker 2: win the only time they've ever lost a World Cup. Final,
Speaker 2: you know, losing in penalty kicks to Japan. She was
Speaker 2: a part of that twenty sixteen Olympic team that crashed
Speaker 2: out in the first knockout round. But her leadership in
Speaker 2: her standard of play is the reason why they were
Speaker 2: able to rebound. You know, you remember in twenty eleven, Okay, well,
Speaker 2: they lose the final Japan. What do they do in
Speaker 2: twenty twelve that win a gold medal? You know, you
Speaker 2: get knocked out early in the twenty sixteen Olympics. What
Speaker 2: do they do, well, twenty nineteen they go win a
Speaker 2: World Cup And that was when she was, you know,
Speaker 2: a mainstay fixture of that team. But just her standard
Speaker 2: of play has been in a role on the field,
Speaker 2: but then John off the field is where I think
Speaker 2: she has been the most effective. You know, you think
Speaker 2: about the equal pay fight, you think about some of
Speaker 2: the sexual and personal harassment issues that Indaboiselle has dealt with.
Speaker 2: She has been a champion of those women who have
Speaker 2: come forward with their stories to make sure that other
Speaker 2: women can be safe in the league. Stories of her
Speaker 2: going over to Tottenham and basically demanding that they have
Speaker 2: better playing conditions and Leona and in Tottenham again. She
Speaker 2: expects the standard to play from herself and everyone around her,
Speaker 2: and then she expects the people off the field to
Speaker 2: give them a certain standard of support. And you know,
Speaker 2: I think that is something that will continue to live
Speaker 2: on long after you know, eight twenty whenever. And ended
Speaker 2: up being you know, thirteenth minute of the game last
Speaker 2: night when she was taken off.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 1: The U twenties Women's World Cup made it to the
Speaker 1: knockout stage in Colombia with a seven zero win over
Speaker 1: Paraguay in the Group C finale. They finished second in
Speaker 1: the group. Pietro Tordin had a hat trick and the
Speaker 1: second place behind defending champ Spain. They get Mexico on Wednesday,
Speaker 1: will be a match of the twenty twenty three U
Speaker 1: twenty Championship, which Mexico beat the US two one of
Speaker 1: the final. Only five starters from a twenty three team
Speaker 1: are in Colombia.
Speaker 2: By the way, Yeah, that a Mexico game and was
Speaker 2: a wild one. US completely dominated in Mexico, got two
Speaker 2: lucky goals and somehow won that game in Mexico, mind you. So,
Speaker 2: you know, they seem to always play these CONCA capt
Speaker 2: Championships in Mexico is quite funny. Yeah, that's it's a
Speaker 2: good opportunity. I mean again, I think on the men's side,
Speaker 2: I usually am a little indifferent about these tournaments. I'm
Speaker 2: just glad we're there and help we make out the knockouts.
Speaker 2: But on the women's side, especially this team, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of professional talent on this team. Particularly, and despite
Speaker 2: the fact that Tracy Kevins is still coaching this team
Speaker 2: for god knows what reasons, I don't know why she
Speaker 2: has been catapulted into the sun. She's a terrible coach.
Speaker 2: She continues to just squander talent anytime that she's ever
Speaker 2: been a part of coaching staff for this youth program.
Speaker 2: And I don't know why she's still here. I hope
Speaker 2: Emma Hayes that's the first thing that she actually does
Speaker 2: post Olympics is get rid of her. But this team
Speaker 2: is I'm sorry that was a rant that a lot
Speaker 2: of us in soccer face felt bro uh playing about Burhalter.
Speaker 2: But but this team has a lot of professional talent
Speaker 2: on it, Like literally, there's a lot of players who
Speaker 2: played professionally on this team. Uh. And and you need
Speaker 2: to start raising the expectation for this these age groups
Speaker 2: because just being there isn't good enough, and we need
Speaker 2: to start taking advantage of these opportunities to build not
Speaker 2: just team cohesion, but expand the player pool and really
Speaker 2: build out what needs to be the most robust player
Speaker 2: pool in the world. You know, I think, specifically to Mexico,
Speaker 2: you better go win. You're a better team than they are,
Speaker 2: you have been for a long time. And after that,
Speaker 2: you know, you just try to win the next game.
Speaker 2: But yeah, these youth tournaments for the women need to
Speaker 2: start being a little bit more emphasized and winning because
Speaker 2: we need to kind of reclaim that top spot. And
Speaker 2: and you know, Spain has dominated the youthful of ranks
Speaker 2: for a decade now. There's a reason they're one of
Speaker 2: the best national teams in the world. But we've got
Speaker 2: to start performing better in these tournaments to get back
Speaker 2: to that spot as well.
Speaker 1: Men's side, it looks like, and I use the words
Speaker 1: looks like, it looks like we're getting closer, closer and
Speaker 1: closer and closer and closer and closer to some kind
Speaker 1: of official announcement with trumpeted fanfare from parapets upon high
Speaker 1: in you know, Roman castles from the seventeenth century or
Speaker 1: something with the flags draping down as they would always do.
Speaker 1: Looks like we're getting close to Mauricio Pochettino because we
Speaker 1: had an announcement over the weekend. It looks like the staff,
Speaker 1: the main staff that he traditionally has and has headed
Speaker 1: all of his stops as far back as folks can remember,
Speaker 1: will be the staff that he brings in for the
Speaker 1: national team. So it's like it's gonna be Mauricio and
Speaker 1: his and his crew coming in here for this when
Speaker 1: this becomes finally final.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think people forget that. That's like a big
Speaker 2: part of these coaching negotiations as well, is who they
Speaker 2: can bring in. And you know, if patch costs a
Speaker 2: lot of money, his staff is going to cost a
Speaker 2: lot of money as well. And so again it's about
Speaker 2: how do we find that that money in the coffers
Speaker 2: for professorships? Yes, yeah, how do we how do we
Speaker 2: sponsor how do we get those endowments, uh to to
Speaker 2: keep those players or excuse me, those coaches with him? Yes,
Speaker 2: you know we did this with Emma. She got a
Speaker 2: lot of the staff that she normally has had with
Speaker 2: her throughout her time at Chelsea to come over again.
Speaker 2: There are there are a lot of things to these
Speaker 2: coaching negotiations, and one thing people do have to remember
Speaker 2: about US Soccer is it is not one person or
Speaker 2: one board necessarily making a decision. They're not just full
Speaker 2: time all the way there, you know, and they're certainly
Speaker 2: not in one location. So these things don't just come together.
Speaker 2: You know. The word is that they are meeting today
Speaker 2: to approve that, because you know they have to, you know, virtually.
Speaker 2: I'm sure that makes a lot of things a little
Speaker 2: bit easier, but you know, they're they're they're not those
Speaker 2: people aren't necessarily employees, if you will, of US Soccer.
Speaker 2: They're not on the clock nine to five for US
Speaker 2: Soccer today. So it it is coming together. Hopefully we
Speaker 2: have an announcement before tomorrow because by guy, we need
Speaker 2: we need to coach in here, cut John, someone who
Speaker 2: is going to hold these players accountable because their shares
Speaker 2: hell ain't seem to be able to do it themselves.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like I said, this is why I was
Speaker 1: building to this for the remainder of the segment, or
Speaker 1: however much longer you want to talk about it, up
Speaker 1: to the top of the hour, because I think.
Speaker 2: We talked about Alex Morgan again.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, well I think I think we're going
Speaker 1: to be able to have our guest coming up at
Speaker 1: the top of the next hour. So if this, if
Speaker 1: if technology works, it's going to be very very cool.
Speaker 1: I'm just going to go ahead now ask it this way.
Speaker 1: What in the blue hell happened in this matchup against
Speaker 1: Canada where apparently now if the if the the numbers
Speaker 1: are correct, it's the first home defeat to Canada in
Speaker 1: sixty seven years years.
Speaker 6: Man, what happened here?
Speaker 2: Well, I think we need to look at this on
Speaker 2: a couple of things. One, Canada cared a lot about
Speaker 2: this game, as they're going to care about every game
Speaker 2: because that's how Jesse Marsh coaches, right, He's going to
Speaker 2: be everything, s geared up for everything, and you know
Speaker 2: that's great. That can take you far, but it can
Speaker 2: also fizzle out really quickly, So good for him. They're
Speaker 2: still in the honeymoon stage of his coaching. They you know,
Speaker 2: they did finally figure out how to score goals, which
Speaker 2: was a struggle for the first like five matches. On
Speaker 2: the flip side, the US played terribly. No player seemed
Speaker 2: to want to grasp. No starter seemed to want to
Speaker 2: grasp the moment of an opportunity to prove themselves without
Speaker 2: a head coach that you know, there were there were
Speaker 2: guys on this field who had opportunities to really make
Speaker 2: their case to the new the incoming coach, whoever that
Speaker 2: might be, even if it's not poach ship could have
Speaker 2: been Mikey.
Speaker 6: I mean, hey, there you go. There, there's there.
Speaker 1: It is explicitly thirty six minutes in out a boy.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: You know, no one seemed poised to want to make
Speaker 2: a name for themselves or show out in a good way,
Speaker 2: and there were definitely some players on this field who
Speaker 2: had chances to do that. I think Malik Tillman looked
Speaker 2: the best side of those kind of like not on
Speaker 2: the bubble players, but those players who needed to prove
Speaker 2: that they belong. I I will be honest, I'm very
Speaker 2: disappointed Caleb Whyley wasn't in this game because Christopher Lund
Speaker 2: provided very little of any sort of positivity on the field,
Speaker 2: right And Johnny Cardoso was a major disappointment. You just
Speaker 2: have to call it like an I mean, we've been
Speaker 2: wanting to see him for the US national team. He's
Speaker 2: performed well in Brazil, performed very well relatively going over
Speaker 2: to Spain. And the reason he were stumped why can't
Speaker 2: he play better with the US men's national team? Is
Speaker 2: it just because he's in a single pivot versus a
Speaker 2: double pivot like that shouldn't be the reason you still
Speaker 2: had unis Mussa dropping very deep. I mean, they were
Speaker 2: basically playing a double pivot, you know, it was there
Speaker 2: was a lack of desire from this men's national team
Speaker 2: that has been here and I'm sorry to go back
Speaker 2: to him, but it's been here since the second era
Speaker 2: of Greg Berholter taking over, and for some reason, some
Speaker 2: sort of malaise and complacency has crept into the system,
Speaker 2: crept into this program, and the guys do not feel
Speaker 2: like they need to actually improve upon what they did
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two. And that's really really frustrating. And
Speaker 2: at this point you do have to question the players
Speaker 2: and their leadership because I'll call him out, Christian Polistic,
Speaker 2: He's just not that type of leader, right, That's not
Speaker 2: who he is. He's a I'm going to do it
Speaker 2: by how I play, And he didn't play poorly by
Speaker 2: any stretch, but you know, you were missing Tyler Adams,
Speaker 2: you were missing Weston McKinney, you're missing Jedi Robinson, guys
Speaker 2: who have been kind of those types of more vocal vibe,
Speaker 2: spased leaders. And you know, Tim Raim has said it,
Speaker 2: there are guys who aren't taking it seriously enough for
Speaker 2: you know, playing for the national team. At the same time,
Speaker 2: Tim Reim had a terrible game, So you know, how
Speaker 2: much of that do you take into consideration. You know,
Speaker 2: again we're trotting out Tim Raim despite the fact that
Speaker 2: all signs are saying we need to start moving on.
Speaker 2: So some of this is on Mikey. You know, there's
Speaker 2: a reason he hasn't succeeded anywhere he's been, to be
Speaker 2: quite honest, as a head coach, and you know, outside
Speaker 2: of a good you know, Conker Caffew twenty run, hasn't
Speaker 2: really had a lot of success as a head coach.
Speaker 2: So you know, there's that. It was frustrating they couldn't
Speaker 2: pass to each other. Part of that is because again
Speaker 2: the system that they continue to play, and Mikey's system
Speaker 2: is very different, not very different from Burhalters, if there
Speaker 2: is any difference, continues to be slow, continues to not
Speaker 2: demand players move into open space even to receive a pass.
Speaker 2: I mean that first goal was because Patrick Schulte took
Speaker 2: ten felt like ten minutes trying to find anyone who
Speaker 2: is moving into an open space. So he has to
Speaker 2: go short to Tim Riem, which invites the whole Canada
Speaker 2: team to do the one thing they want to do,
Speaker 2: which is press, and Johnny makes a really bad decision
Speaker 2: on a pass. He had plenty of time, he didn't
Speaker 2: have to do that. But when you're under pressure like that,
Speaker 2: you're going to make bad decisions. That's the red Bull way,
Speaker 2: and you give up a goal, you know. And then conversely,
Speaker 2: they defended with heart. They defended with determination, and that
Speaker 2: kept you off the board for the most of the game,
Speaker 2: as well as just flat out fizzling out attacks when
Speaker 2: you didn't need to because again we don't have enough
Speaker 2: support in the box, which is a common theme under
Speaker 2: Greg Berhalter and is continuing under mikey Virus because he's
Speaker 2: not a real head coach.
Speaker 1: The way that it laid out Jesse Marsh after the match,
Speaker 1: it was very very intriguing, and so hang on just
Speaker 1: second and let me get to the quote I'd rather
Speaker 1: coach our team right now, one percent, no questions asked.
Speaker 1: Marsh said after the win, you can see the mentality
Speaker 1: has been developed. You can see the way this team plays.
Speaker 1: You can see how much they love playing for the
Speaker 1: national team, willing to put their careers and lives and
Speaker 1: the way they play on the line to be the
Speaker 1: best they can be for each other and for the team.
Speaker 1: That's all you can ask for as a coach. Bart
Speaker 1: guess what, I'm gonna put a bookmark in this because
Speaker 1: our guest is early, and I'm hoping that I didn't
Speaker 1: scare Bart away because we were getting into we were
Speaker 1: really getting into the discussion about the US men's national team,
Speaker 1: and Luca called in early. So Luca called in early
Speaker 1: at ten a quarter to ten. He wasn't supposed to
Speaker 1: call in until ten o'clock, but he got in the
Speaker 1: hotel room and at ten thirty hour time, five thirty local.
Speaker 1: They've got to do their match day minus one press
Speaker 1: conference stuff with Moldova. So here's here just to recap
Speaker 1: before Bart comes back on. And Bart knows he's coming.
Speaker 1: So literally after they won and beat Liechtenstein, I reached
Speaker 1: out and I was like, okay, can we have some
Speaker 1: kind of a presence on the show all that. So
Speaker 1: Luca emails me back and he's like, yeah, we'll be
Speaker 1: in Moldova. I've got this window of like five to
Speaker 1: five thirty local time on Monday, and I'm like okay,
Speaker 1: And like I said, and that was what triggered making
Speaker 1: sure that Bart could be on and he could be
Speaker 1: on early. And then of course Luca hit all of
Speaker 1: his marks early and got all the green lights and
Speaker 1: came in at a quarter till. And so thanks to
Speaker 1: Bart for putting the rest of the segment on hold.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so that was Luca PELACIONI he's the press
Speaker 1: officer for the San Marino national team for soccer, and
Speaker 1: he dialed in from a hotel room and mulled over,
Speaker 1: oh brother, all right. So that was that was our
Speaker 1: number one And that was hilarious. It was fantastic and
Speaker 1: hilarious all at the same time. We need to figure
Speaker 1: out a way to get San Marino's national team over
Speaker 1: here for a friendly.
Speaker 6: That's what we've got to figure out.
Speaker 2: So that's the latest out of San Marino.
Speaker 1: And like I said, I just wanted to see if
Speaker 1: we could find someone that could put a voice to
Speaker 1: what happened. When you have a windless streak of twenty
Speaker 1: years and you have a win at home from someone
Speaker 1: who was nineteen years old and wasn't even alive when
Speaker 1: the streak started. To get that interview, it's fantastic. But no,
Speaker 1: I give full props to Luca for that and that
Speaker 1: was absolutely wild. But that's the beauty of the morning
Speaker 1: show that we have occasionally. And like I said that,
Speaker 1: I didn't know if it was going to work. I
Speaker 1: didn't know if Luca was gonna make it in time.
Speaker 1: I had him scheduled for ten o'clock when they were
Speaker 1: getting into the hotel, but he got into the hotel
Speaker 1: early and got into the hotel a half hour early
Speaker 1: and then punched all of his punched his green lights
Speaker 1: and here we go. Okay, so here's segment number two
Speaker 1: with Bart Hi.
Speaker 2: Bart morning again, Good morning, Will, Good morning Scott, Good
Speaker 2: morning Abbey oh Man.
Speaker 1: But no, h like I said, Luca PELACIONI is the
Speaker 1: press officer for the San Marie International team, And like
Speaker 1: I said, I didn't know if it was going to work,
Speaker 1: and it worked, and so we just.
Speaker 2: It is. It is celebration time out in San Marino
Speaker 2: in the middle of Italy. It was fantastic.
Speaker 1: Okay, So you were yelling about uh, the second goal
Speaker 1: I don't know if I was yelling was you're still communicating. Okay,
Speaker 1: then you were sternly communicating about the defensive lapses with
Speaker 1: the United States and they're lost to Canada.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the frustrating part and I forget who
Speaker 2: said it in the chat, but you know, Tim reim
Speaker 2: at what you have been great for your country. You've
Speaker 2: been a great club player for a long time. But
Speaker 2: I think this is this is where you do have
Speaker 2: to fault mikey Varies for being a little too afraid
Speaker 2: to shake things up. I mean, the mission to me
Speaker 2: should be we need to start turning the page right,
Speaker 2: and you kind of even had leeway to do that
Speaker 2: with the fact that Jedi was out, McKenny was out,
Speaker 2: Adams is out, and most of those for you know,
Speaker 2: obviously Adams actually heard, but you know, we allowed the
Speaker 2: I kind of don't really want to fly over to
Speaker 2: the States right now, excuse to be which it should be.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think we've talked about this particular window
Speaker 2: being superfluous at best and unnecessary probably in reality, and
Speaker 2: not very well placed on the calendar. FIFA's talking about,
Speaker 2: if not removing that, moving it back into the month
Speaker 2: as well, because you're going to get players who are
Speaker 2: a little not quite ready. But yeah, I think that
Speaker 2: you need to start rewarding and punishing players for performances
Speaker 2: on the field. And I think this is something that
Speaker 2: the Burrhlter coaching tree values so highly training sessions and
Speaker 2: doing drills correctly and doing the instruction part correctly, that
Speaker 2: they don't seem to value the actual on field performance
Speaker 2: and production. And that's something that's been very frustrating, is
Speaker 2: you know, and it's led to Berholter holding on to
Speaker 2: players for way too long. It's led to you know,
Speaker 2: players getting complacent in their roles on the team. And
Speaker 2: Tim Reem is a perfect example of there's a reason
Speaker 2: why he can't be in this camp. I mean, he's
Speaker 2: a domestic center back, he's pretty experienced. Why not? But
Speaker 2: why does he need to be the locked in starter? Right?
Speaker 2: And if it's just because he does the drills better, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's thirty, dad guns seven years old. You'd better be
Speaker 2: doing the drills well at this point in his life,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, So that that's kind
Speaker 2: of where I think the mentality needs to start shifting.
Speaker 2: And I do blame mikey Varis for not seeing the
Speaker 2: opportunity to start a guy like Trusty or McKenzie, who
Speaker 2: if they screw up, then we learned something. And that's
Speaker 2: just where again, these friendlies need to be learning exercises.
Speaker 2: We didn't learn anything from Tim Breen screwing up a
Speaker 2: bunch other than he's probably not fit for international play anymore.
Speaker 2: But then you didn't necessarily bring in someone to you know,
Speaker 2: sub him off and say, okay, well here's your shot.
Speaker 2: Christopher Lund had a average day. This was the perfect
Speaker 2: opportunity for Caleb Wiley to get some playing time and say, hey,
Speaker 2: look we're struggling right now. Let's see if you can
Speaker 2: go and make something happen. You saw Aidan Morris take
Speaker 2: advantage of that opportunity, finally looking good for the in
Speaker 2: the Red, white and Blue. He's struggled on the international stage.
Speaker 2: Juxtaposing that to you know, Johnny Cardoso being a very
Speaker 2: poor performance. You know, those were good to see. You know,
Speaker 2: we still haven't seen Josh Sargent play for the US
Speaker 2: national team, I think since twenty twenty two, which is
Speaker 2: continuing to be a concerning trend for him. Uh. You know,
Speaker 2: Geo obviously got hurt this camp because you know the
Speaker 2: law of Geo ranas he can't be healthy for more
Speaker 2: than a week, and you know that was a problem.
Speaker 2: And that's that was just you know, frustrating. Is that
Speaker 2: it's one thing if you're bad, right because you put
Speaker 2: out a bunch of new players, or because you would
Speaker 2: try something new, or because hey, you know what, guys,
Speaker 2: the point of this friendly is for all of us
Speaker 2: to go play together and get some new guys some
Speaker 2: time on the field. If that was your stated goal,
Speaker 2: because we know the Burrhalter treat coaching Tree loves goals
Speaker 2: and metrics that have nothing to do with actually winning,
Speaker 2: then that's fine. But that wasn't what was presented here.
Speaker 2: And you put out a you know, it wasn't like
Speaker 2: you experimented much with your lineup, right, I mean everyone
Speaker 2: who played was like, a, well, of course you're going
Speaker 2: to play. Because for some reason, Brendan Aaronson is seen
Speaker 2: as a better soccer player than how do you write?
Speaker 2: Because he, I don't know, moves his feet quicker, even
Speaker 2: though he doesn't really do anything with that you know,
Speaker 2: Joe Scally is the obvious right back back up to
Speaker 2: Sir Gino desk. I don't think it was bad, but
Speaker 2: you know, just one of those things where it wasn't
Speaker 2: like you did anything to go well, you know, look,
Speaker 2: I'm the substitute teacher, so who cares. It almost felt
Speaker 2: like he took the Burholter. You know, Greg Burholter left
Speaker 2: a little folder with the instruction plant, the lesson plan
Speaker 2: for the day. For some reason, the dude is fired.
Speaker 2: Who gives a crap? You do something different? And he
Speaker 2: did it. He got too scared, and so I do
Speaker 2: blame Mikey a lot for this, even though he was
Speaker 2: you know, hot and said, oh, it's on the players.
Speaker 2: Well it's also on you, man. You have to set
Speaker 2: that standard because we've heard this from Burholter as well
Speaker 2: and from players as oh, well it's an intense training session.
Speaker 2: Well then why doesn't that transfer to the playing to
Speaker 2: playing in the game. You know, if you're going hard
Speaker 2: and intense and training, why aren't we Why is that
Speaker 2: not translating the games? So I'm leading this need to
Speaker 2: believe that there's not really the intensity that they think
Speaker 2: there is in training and they're just saying it is.
Speaker 1: Then you end up with the ratings which you pretty
Speaker 1: much have skewered here when it comes to everything. The oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, goal in the most dangerous league in
Speaker 1: soccer came from Luca Delatore An LDT scored with about
Speaker 1: twenty five to go, and once again you look at
Speaker 1: too little, too late. Mikey verus after the match that
Speaker 1: I love those guys, but the mentality to fight and
Speaker 1: run and to sacrifice, I can't do that for them.
Speaker 6: That's on them.
Speaker 1: It's a combination between me and them, all of us together.
Speaker 1: End quote from our friends at a presence.
Speaker 2: And it wasn't there. I mean you just you look
Speaker 2: at the ratings and no one did well except for
Speaker 2: Patrick Shulty, who I think does need to get a
Speaker 2: shout out. I think people were unfairly criticizing them for
Speaker 2: that first goal. Maybe should have done better, but Shorty
Speaker 2: was the only player who in my opinion, played well
Speaker 2: this game.
Speaker 1: Looking at our ratings, of course, from our friends at
Speaker 1: Soccer America, Shelti pol A seven, Chris richards A three,
Speaker 1: Tim Reema two, Christopher lund To four, along with Joe
Speaker 1: Scally midfield Units Musa three, Malex tilmana three, Johnny two forwards,
Speaker 1: Brendan Aaronson a three, ful air and baligant and Christian
Speaker 1: Polisic god fours. Subs Aden Morris of five l d
Speaker 1: t A six obviously with the goal, Hadgi Right of three,
Speaker 1: Cad Cowl a four and Peppy and incomplete obviously with
Speaker 1: the number of minutes that he that he did not
Speaker 1: play in the match. Gracious rating for Caid Cowell and
Speaker 1: Next up, US gets New Zealand at TQ Well on
Speaker 1: Tuesday seven o'clock Eastern kick with with this one when
Speaker 1: it comes to this particular matchup against New Zealand, I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously you've got to be you've got to do a
Speaker 1: make good in here somewhere and be out for blood. Yeah,
Speaker 1: at least figuratively.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's the Greg Burholter mentality that's
Speaker 2: being transferred through Mikey Barras.
Speaker 6: Okay, that's where we're at.
Speaker 2: I mean, responses would be great, but we haven't seen
Speaker 2: this team respond to adversity really. You know, sure, they
Speaker 2: tied Brazil, a not very good Brazil team after getting
Speaker 2: smacked by Columbia, but it's not like they magically flip
Speaker 2: a switch and we're like, oh, this is how we
Speaker 2: play soccer again. So you know, yeah, you have to
Speaker 2: have a better response to New Zealand is a much
Speaker 2: worse team than Canada. So anything short of a multi
Speaker 2: goal win is going to reflect badly on everyone involved.
Speaker 2: I don't care who the coaches, and that's kind of
Speaker 2: what bothers me about this Canada game is I don't
Speaker 2: care who the coaches. The lineup we had and the
Speaker 2: players we have are better than the Canadian players. You
Speaker 2: know yet David larn and Davies are very good players, right,
Speaker 2: but we have players who should be able to match
Speaker 2: up with them. We have better overall quality and that
Speaker 2: did not show. And so that's where the frustrating part is.
Speaker 2: You know, who's going to start showing their actually good
Speaker 2: quality because right now not even Christian Poliitic is showing
Speaker 2: their good quality. And you know, again, you can tell
Speaker 2: me that you need to do this and that and that,
Speaker 2: but until you actually do it, it's just empty words.
Speaker 1: Okay, So we're heading to this match on Tuesday and
Speaker 1: we'll see where it lays out there is there is
Speaker 1: a previous Soccer for us PO D episode that is
Speaker 1: out what are the next plans for a future soccer
Speaker 1: for you.
Speaker 2: The goal is to record on Wednesday afternoon. I'm flying
Speaker 2: to Pittsburgh for a certain football game this weekend backyard Brawl,
Speaker 2: so we better get it recorded by Wednesday so I
Speaker 2: can send it out to you. So that is the plan.
Speaker 2: Hopefully we're talking about Pochettino more this episode and not
Speaker 2: as much about the actual play in the field, because
Speaker 2: at that point it won't matter, right if you hire
Speaker 2: Pochaccino and you announce them before Tuesday or even on Tuesday,
Speaker 2: the performances don't really matter all that much because you
Speaker 2: can start talking about a new coach and not why
Speaker 2: this team can't seem to play better than the some
Speaker 2: of its parts after six years, seven years of trying
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 1: That, all right, So I'm before you go, I am
Speaker 1: looking at the schedule and I am checking the get
Speaker 1: in price as a subtle plug to our college football
Speaker 1: show that we have over on the OSG Sports side
Speaker 1: of things, where we look at football on a budget.
Speaker 1: And by the way, this is not football on a budget.
Speaker 1: If you are looking to go into this particular game
Speaker 1: at Actorshure in Pittsburgh right now, West Virginia two and
Speaker 1: a half point favorite. The total sixty and a half
Speaker 1: three point thirty kick on ESPN two. Get in Rice
Speaker 1: at the former Hinz Field is a low, low get
Speaker 1: in price of seventy two dollars.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, that's what happens when you know a team
Speaker 2: that actually cares about football college football plays an acrochure,
Speaker 2: You're gonna actually have to take a Priceis that are
Speaker 2: at you know, Mark and tell you, oh boy, I mean, look,
Speaker 2: that stadium is going to be full packed capacity. Last
Speaker 2: time we played there, it was the largest crowd for
Speaker 2: a football game ever in this in Pittsburgh. It wasn't
Speaker 2: because of the pitt fans. I'll just tell you that
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 1: So we will be looking forward to the next go
Speaker 1: round of the soccer for us PO D, hopefully coming
Speaker 1: up before your departure. Otherwise you're cutting it into the
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh airport and we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2: I'm not bringing a laptop with me on this trip.
Speaker 6: So oh okay, so we are cutting ties.
Speaker 1: Yeah wow, okay, So three thirty kicks Saturday afternoon. Once again,
Speaker 1: thanks for dropping by in part one. In part two,
Speaker 1: considering our guests from Uh from the Central Europe that
Speaker 1: came out of this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well thanks John for having me. Everyone, Uh stay safe,
Speaker 2: stay healthy.
Speaker 1: Yes, stay stay, stay healthy, and continue drinking the Earl Gray.
Speaker 2: My friend