Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 1: Well, we have been talking for a couple of hours,
Speaker 1: both the nine of the ten o'clock hour about a
Speaker 1: really surprised development in the Brian Coburger murder trial in Idaho.
Speaker 1: Coburger is the man who now admits to having murdered
Speaker 1: four college students from the University of Idaho as they
Speaker 1: slept on an early Sunday morning in November of twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two, and he has now pled guilty. His lawyers
Speaker 1: have entered a plea with the understanding that he would
Speaker 1: be spared the death penalty and he would have to
Speaker 1: serve four consecutive life sentences for the murder of the
Speaker 1: four young people who he murdered while they slept in
Speaker 1: their beds that horrible Sunday morning. Patrick has joined us
Speaker 1: from Charlestown and I put him on at the end
Speaker 1: of last hour, and he's talking. He's talking about a
Speaker 1: coburger and he's trying to make a point here. So
Speaker 1: I want to give him an opportunity if you want
Speaker 1: to go back and just catch up. Patrick. So the
Speaker 1: people who are just joining us, explain to them that
Speaker 1: you're talking about this guy Coburger who apparently dealt with
Speaker 1: a lot of issues. Go ahead, I'd love to hear
Speaker 1: hear where you're going with this.
Speaker 3: Go right ahead, Patrick, Yeah, absolutely. First off, if anybody
Speaker 3: deserves a death penalty, it's this guy. He premeditated it.
Speaker 3: He circled around their house many many times. He planned
Speaker 3: this thing out, obviously premeditated. If anybody deserves a death penalty,
Speaker 3: it's this guy. I just when I read through his
Speaker 3: termination and there's a letter online. I read through his
Speaker 3: termination letter and I as I and the same profession
Speaker 3: you are, and I read, I read the process that
Speaker 3: he was provided, and I found that there's no way,
Speaker 3: shape or form that this guy was provided a fair process.
Speaker 3: Before they terminated his PhD teaching assistant shift. They took
Speaker 3: away the guy's hopes and dreams, and they did it
Speaker 3: over some type of a guy versus guy silver backed
Speaker 3: gorilla dominance fight that he had with his professor. The
Speaker 3: professor then went to human resources, and you can see
Speaker 3: from the timeline it started in nine to twenty three.
Speaker 3: Then there was a meeting on October third, ten days later,
Speaker 3: eighteen days he's given a meeting eighteen days later, he's
Speaker 3: found to have not improved. So that includes weekends, right,
Speaker 3: that is not a sufficient time period to So.
Speaker 1: You have explained that this guy, you know, I had
Speaker 1: a difficult childhood, A lot of people have difficult childhoods,
Speaker 1: was able to get himself educated. He's committed a crime.
Speaker 1: What's the point you're making that he somehow should be
Speaker 1: treated my point.
Speaker 3: My point is that it's a piece of the story
Speaker 3: that I think this was the final last straw in
Speaker 3: the story of this guy's life. He was predisposed for
Speaker 3: this sort of thing. He's guilty of murder, and there's
Speaker 3: a problem with like human resources, that it can be
Speaker 3: absolutely vicious. This guy was not that they ripped the
Speaker 3: guys hopes and dreams. They smashed them all.
Speaker 1: Okay, but but there's a lot there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people whose hopes and dreams Patrick ripped away. People don't
Speaker 1: get into medical school, or they don't get into law school,
Speaker 1: or or they play five years in the minor leagues
Speaker 1: and never get past double A or whatever, and they
Speaker 1: don't go around murdering for people. So I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to understand. All I'm trying to understand, Patrick, is where
Speaker 1: you're going you want of my better callers. I want
Speaker 1: to understand are you are you talking that somehow the
Speaker 1: college professor who got in, as you said, this male
Speaker 1: dominance a silver back gorilla, uh contest, should somehow also
Speaker 1: be indicted.
Speaker 2: What what what you should be?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: No, no, that the human resources process should definitely be investigated.
Speaker 3: It's a small piece of the story. I don't It's
Speaker 3: a tangent. I send that right up front. It says
Speaker 3: a lot. There's a lot of people listening right now
Speaker 3: who've been treated rotten by human resources, who have been
Speaker 3: fired and not giving a fair chance. And this this
Speaker 3: is definitely what happened here.
Speaker 1: What about hold on for a sakeon Patrick, I appreciate
Speaker 1: your presentation, but what about Luigi Mangioni. I believe that
Speaker 1: he had had some medical bills, or or family members
Speaker 1: had some medical bills. There's always going to be a rationale.
Speaker 1: The guy doesn't wake up some morning and say I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go kill Uh.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm not saying this guy deserves the who
Speaker 3: deserves to be let off, he deserves a death penalty.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that that somebody should look at that.
Speaker 3: So that is a piece of Okay.
Speaker 1: So you've looked at it. Where did we go from there?
Speaker 1: You've looked at it, and you have explained it really well.
Speaker 3: I think what we do is we have a national
Speaker 3: conversation about about human resources processes all around the country
Speaker 3: and and how how we treat employees. I don't I
Speaker 3: think I've seen this. A lot of my curve represented
Speaker 3: a lot of people gone through things like this, and
Speaker 3: this is this is not abnormal. This is and I'm
Speaker 3: telling you there's people not in their heads listening to
Speaker 3: this right now have been through similar situations where they
Speaker 3: got a pip and they would treat it untaily by
Speaker 3: someone who had something across their backside and wasn't genuine.
Speaker 1: Patrick, I totally get everything you said here, I really do. Okay,
Speaker 1: but guess what, you know what this is? This is life, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: and it's sad, right, I mean it is sad. I
Speaker 1: have friends who who didn't get the didn't get a partnership.
Speaker 1: They were the best lawyer, they were the hardest working
Speaker 1: lawyer in the firm, but there was someone who didn't
Speaker 1: like them or whatever, you know. I mean, that's it's horrible.
Speaker 1: I mean I've had people who I've worked for who
Speaker 1: I felt were really had my back and were friends
Speaker 1: of mine above and beyond a professional relationship. Then you
Speaker 1: have people who you don't quite have that same feeling for. Okay,
Speaker 1: but it's kind of like there were I always bring
Speaker 1: it back to pro athletes, but there were there were
Speaker 1: pro athletes who were this close to being Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame athletes and they missed an opportunity or break. They
Speaker 1: didn't go out and turn around. I just it's part
Speaker 1: of life. I wish life can. Life can really be bad,
Speaker 1: it can really be nasty. Uh, and it can be unfair.
Speaker 1: Jack Kennedy, President Kennedy said, life is unfair. You know,
Speaker 1: some men get drafted and go to war, some other
Speaker 1: some don't get drafted. You know, some go to war
Speaker 1: that they're killed, others the bullet never never kep. What
Speaker 1: I'm saying is, you're taking his case is going to
Speaker 1: solve the inequities of the human resource problem in America.
Speaker 3: Right the state's part, it is a big part of
Speaker 3: this story. No one's talking about. So like that the
Speaker 3: letter thank.
Speaker 1: You for doing that, you are and I mean that seriously,
Speaker 1: thank you for doing that.
Speaker 3: They're supposed to be specific when you get a letter
Speaker 3: supposed to be measurable. It's there's supposed to be particulars
Speaker 3: in there, so with particular outline to improve. None of
Speaker 3: that's in any of the stuff I read. It's all
Speaker 3: online and sufficient.
Speaker 4: Patrick.
Speaker 1: Patrick, you're a smart guy. Why don't you take up
Speaker 1: this cause and use No I'm serious, I'm not being
Speaker 1: I'm not ridiculing you, Patrick. I hope you understand that
Speaker 1: I'm being honest. I felt very passionate for a guy
Speaker 1: named Joe Silvadi many years ago, and I put my
Speaker 1: my television career on the line. Thank god I was right,
Speaker 1: But you could I don't know. Maybe the guy in
Speaker 1: New York, Luigi Mangioni, I mean, he has a real following.
Speaker 1: Maybe this guy will have a following. It's conceivable that
Speaker 1: there was something that happened in the Boston bombers case.
Speaker 1: Maybe the two brothers got laughed at or something because
Speaker 1: they had a strange accent. But I don't know where
Speaker 1: it takes you.
Speaker 3: I guess I don't want people to misunderstand what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: This guy deserves to be fried.
Speaker 1: So you're being You're being You've been very clear. You've
Speaker 1: been very clear.
Speaker 3: And uh, you know what, I'm gonna do that. So
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'll at least I'll at least work on it.
Speaker 1: So, look, you're smart. You're a smart guy. I don't
Speaker 1: know you personally, maybe we've men at some point, but
Speaker 1: you were always a challenging caller. That's why I held
Speaker 1: you over. And I think, well, as they say, that's
Speaker 1: all I have to do, that all have to give.
Speaker 1: So but I think you've made my audience think. And
Speaker 1: that's the standard that I use here. I want my audience.
Speaker 1: I don't care what they think. I just want them
Speaker 1: to think. I want to think you challenged me to
Speaker 1: think about this. Look if if Brian Colburger, Brian Colberger
Speaker 1: was a relative of mine and I had watched him
Speaker 1: go through what you just described, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: justify what happened. And I think you're not justifying what happened.
Speaker 1: You're saying is that people need to understand that sometimes
Speaker 1: there are people who are a ticking time bomb and
Speaker 1: if someone took the time to maybe counsel them or
Speaker 1: help them, or support them or give them a pat
Speaker 1: in the back, maybe that fuse doesn't get lit. I
Speaker 1: think that's what you're.
Speaker 3: Saying yes, which, without a doubt, that's exactly what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And if you read through this letter, it's it's it's honestly,
Speaker 3: it's cruelty when you read through this, when you read
Speaker 3: through that thing that is cruelty.
Speaker 1: Well he passed that, and you agree he passed that
Speaker 1: cruelty on in a different way. Why he took four
Speaker 1: innocent souls, godlings, and their parents and the the the
Speaker 1: the spouses that they they might have been destined to marry,
Speaker 1: the children that they might have been destined to have.
Speaker 1: So thanks, thanks Patrick, challenging call, Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: All Right, we'll stick with this. Eric and Addleborough, if
Speaker 1: you want to join the conversation, will continue to talk
Speaker 1: about what my friend Patrick talks about. I'd also like
Speaker 1: to talk at least briefly about the Big Beautiful Bill.
Speaker 1: I think the Big Beautiful Bill is in big trouble. Now.
Speaker 1: I know that some of you will agree, some of
Speaker 1: you will disagree, but I think that the differences between
Speaker 1: the Senate version and the House version are to some
Speaker 1: extent irresurmultable and irreconcilable, especially in view of the margins,
Speaker 1: the thin margins that are have. I can talk about
Speaker 1: that a little bit more. Want to talk about coburger,
Speaker 1: want to react to what Patrick had to say six one, seven, two, five,
Speaker 1: four to ten thirty six seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty.
Speaker 1: You want to talk about the big beautiful bill and
Speaker 1: what's going to happen. It's July first right now. Tomorrow
Speaker 1: is July second. If this thing does, if this thing
Speaker 1: gets tied up, it's going to die. And I don't
Speaker 1: know how the Republicans resurrected.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I supported or oppose it, just telling
Speaker 1: you I think that there's too many deals being struck
Speaker 1: here and they talk about making laws or like making
Speaker 1: sausages an ugly process. This is an ugly process. And
Speaker 1: the Democrats may be in the catbird seed because if
Speaker 1: this goes down, there are ramifications that none of us
Speaker 1: are going to five. And if this passes there are ramifications.
Speaker 1: Either way, it's a potential losing situation. I'll explain and
Speaker 1: we'll continue to talk about Brian Colberger. We we can
Speaker 1: do two things. We can walk into gum at the
Speaker 1: same time. Coming back on night Side.
Speaker 2: Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's News Radio's Good to.
Speaker 1: Eric and Attleborough. Hey, Eric, welcome back. How are you, sir?
Speaker 2: I'm good?
Speaker 1: Oh Eric, I can I can hear you. You got
Speaker 1: to turn whatever radio?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, just real quickly. I'm not saying that I
Speaker 2: support uh Luigi's uh you know, visual anti actions, but
Speaker 2: something that I just that people are overlooking that has
Speaker 2: not been mentioned. The gentleman underwent a botched back surgery
Speaker 2: over a decade ago. And and if you I mean,
Speaker 2: I was able to take a close look at a
Speaker 2: lot of blog posts he made it back in the
Speaker 2: day on like live journal and so on and so forth.
Speaker 2: I mean he documented his case of just being and
Speaker 2: exfruliating pain and being unable to simply get the situation rectified,
Speaker 2: and also becoming developing a habit of painkillers. And I mean,
Speaker 2: like I said, I don't agree with it. I don't,
Speaker 2: you know, it's not something that that I think is right.
Speaker 2: But for someone like that that really the physical pain
Speaker 2: and ailments obviously ate away at his intellectual wherewithal of
Speaker 2: right from wrong. And I mean I firmly think that
Speaker 2: just led to his targeted assassination of the CEO of
Speaker 2: a company that I mean, you know, it does the
Speaker 2: health insurance companies have to maximize shareholder wealth. That's the
Speaker 2: purpose of a for profit I mean, you know, for
Speaker 2: profit publicly traded companies. So I'm not saying I agree
Speaker 2: with it. I'm just saying no one's mentioned that tonight,
Speaker 2: and that's really the crutch of the issue, the fact
Speaker 2: that he so.
Speaker 5: So.
Speaker 1: Therefore you're agreeing to some extent with what Patrick from
Speaker 1: Charles Town is suggesting. And I'm not disagreeing with either
Speaker 1: of you. But what I'm saying is all of us
Speaker 1: have circumstances in life that are.
Speaker 2: Difficult, right, I absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 1: Some of us, and that's let me just finish. Let
Speaker 1: me finish. Some of some of us have circumstances in
Speaker 1: life that are even more difficult. There are people who
Speaker 1: were born with horrific disfigurement, diseases, et cetera. And some
Speaker 1: of us have you know, have have really no problem
Speaker 1: and then at some point in our life and sometimes
Speaker 1: and an early point, like MANGIONI had a back issue
Speaker 1: and and maybe the sur didn't go well. I get
Speaker 1: all of that. I admit to all of that, but
Speaker 1: and none of it justifies what they did. We agree
Speaker 1: on that no one's going to say, the kid that
Speaker 1: climbed up on the roof and took a shot in
Speaker 1: miss killing Donald Trump by a couple of inches. I
Speaker 1: don't know what went on in his life, but obviously
Speaker 1: there was something there. But so we take all of
Speaker 1: that and we say to ourselves, okay, we accept that.
Speaker 1: Where does that lead us intellectually? And I don't know,
Speaker 1: does it set up defenses? No, ie, I guarantee you that,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, anyone who takes another person's life is
Speaker 1: at least temporarily insane. Why would I mean, every day
Speaker 1: you read the story about the I forget what ton
Speaker 1: was in a couple of days ago, the son in
Speaker 1: law of a woman ended up in a fight with
Speaker 1: the boyfriend of his mother, or the son of a
Speaker 1: woman ended up in a fight with the boyfriend of
Speaker 1: his mother. He's like sixty five, he's somewhere in his
Speaker 1: forties over where the steak was cooked properly?
Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, I yes, I I no, And I'm
Speaker 2: like I said, is it is? Uh, it's I'll put
Speaker 2: it this way, absolutely assassinating the CEO of a for
Speaker 2: profit you know, healthy church company. In the end, you know,
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, his back is the
Speaker 2: situation is still to be rectified, and it doesn't it
Speaker 2: doesn't fix it, you know, it doesn't fix the issue.
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's it's it's it's a absolutely improper youth.
Speaker 2: And and frankly, it's a anyone that acts the premisure
Speaker 2: he meditated Melissa in ten right has something that needs
Speaker 2: to be contained by you know, the lawful authority.
Speaker 1: Well, of course that that goes. I'll say every political assassin.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure Leejavi Oswald had some reason why
Speaker 1: he wanted to shoot President Kennedy. Okay, Now I don't
Speaker 1: know if he did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I mean.
Speaker 1: I'm sure that John Hinckley, who was a nut job
Speaker 1: and who now walks freely amongst us, thought he had
Speaker 1: a right to shoot Ronald Reagan in March of nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty one. He spent forty years in prison. And then
Speaker 1: you know, he was the son of a doctor, if
Speaker 1: I recall correctly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, to be honest with you, I don't
Speaker 2: know as much about those assassins. I was born in
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy nine, so you know, just the Luigi thing,
Speaker 2: you know, is something that's fresh. I have, you know,
Speaker 2: information fresh to be like, no, it's just starting those
Speaker 2: But you know, I don't have the best information, and
Speaker 2: that wasn't I just don't know the full background.
Speaker 1: But look, Luigi obviously is blinded by some passion here.
Speaker 1: He feels that somehow and and and he's almost become
Speaker 1: a folk hero. There were people who were outside his
Speaker 1: arraignment and they were great, you know, free Luigi. I mean,
Speaker 1: what the hell what does that say about our society?
Speaker 1: I mean, have we brought have we have we got
Speaker 1: to that point that the guy next door to you,
Speaker 1: you know, he he runs his leaf blower on a
Speaker 1: Sunday morning, go on and blow him away. I mean
Speaker 1: he boughts to blow of the leaves away. I mean,
Speaker 1: where are we going with this this philosophy?
Speaker 2: I'm with you one hundred percent, and that's why. And
Speaker 2: I'll leave you with this.
Speaker 5: Dan.
Speaker 2: It's like, and you always do a good you know,
Speaker 2: your shows are always excellent. I've been listening for years.
Speaker 2: I think all a few times, but I will say
Speaker 2: that I think the remedy and it's like it's utopian.
Speaker 2: But imagine democrats, that Republicans, left right, whatever it is,
Speaker 2: if we all have like leadership that we like really
Speaker 2: trusted and loved as a collective. I mean, if that
Speaker 2: could ever happen, you know, elected leadership that like would
Speaker 2: be trust and that do things that they say they're
Speaker 2: gonna do when people feel the material conditions change in
Speaker 2: their lives, you know, according to what the elected officials say.
Speaker 2: I mean that that's what we really need. It's like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's you know, just when you touch
Speaker 2: on the big beautiful bill, it's such a convoluted like,
Speaker 2: you know, just mishmash of different issues with UH, it's
Speaker 2: just politics as usual. Like as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 2: You never saw the movie like Distinguished Gentleman back in
Speaker 2: the day with Eddie Murphy, And one of the best
Speaker 2: lines is just like Eddie Murphy gets elected in Congress,
Speaker 2: he says, like, you know, how does everything ever get done?
Speaker 2: And then another congressman says it doesn't. That's the beauty
Speaker 2: of Congress. And it's just like, you know, things like
Speaker 2: that the bills of you know, not to mishmash the
Speaker 2: two issues Dan petition.
Speaker 1: I just did be saying, but but here's the deal, okay, namely,
Speaker 1: any other form of government that you'd like to live under.
Speaker 2: UH, from a That's a very good question. I mean,
Speaker 2: if there was a utopian application of any type of ideology,
Speaker 2: it would it would have to be socialism with nationalist characteristics.
Speaker 1: Well but but what I'm saying is this, this socialism
Speaker 1: with national characteristics, you can move to Sweden and Denmark.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's not But but I'm from America, my
Speaker 2: fourth generation. This is my blood, you know.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying. What I'm saying is that there are
Speaker 1: people who would love to live in North Korea. Like
Speaker 1: this guy who's now going to be the potential mayor
Speaker 1: of New York. He wants to he he would love
Speaker 1: to get us back to like uh and you know
Speaker 1: nineteen seventeen Bolshevik Soviet Union.
Speaker 2: I mean, well, hold on a second, like ju Cha
Speaker 2: is a is an ultra nationalist, uh, you know ideology
Speaker 2: that's you know, practiced in North Korea. The Bolshevik Revolution
Speaker 2: was Actually there's a great boat book by Professor Sutton
Speaker 2: out of Iowa, Iowa State called The Walls Wall Street Bolsheviks.
Speaker 2: I mean it talks about how the Trotskyites were literally
Speaker 2: funded by Warburg and I mean they were funded by
Speaker 2: Wall Street, which is ironic, and to deploy you know,
Speaker 2: you know, workers of the world unite if you will
Speaker 2: right under you know, and to it to take out
Speaker 2: the czar in Russia. It's not you know, it's it's
Speaker 2: not the that was a much more violent uh.
Speaker 1: You know, it always is violent. It's violent in in
Speaker 1: North Korea because if if you step out of line.
Speaker 1: The the guy in North Korea killed like his brother
Speaker 1: in law, he used a an anti aircraft gun to
Speaker 1: have him killed. He didn't he didn't hit him with
Speaker 1: an M sixteen. I didn't hit him with a kalishn
Speaker 1: of cough and anti aircraft gun is how he shot
Speaker 1: and killed his brother in law or his one a
Speaker 1: member of his family. I become on. I have no
Speaker 1: idea Eric, the problem the problem without you live Eric. Eric,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, you live in the best country in
Speaker 1: the world. You and I were to be born here.
Speaker 3: Okay, discuss these issues without having any type of.
Speaker 2: Censorship.
Speaker 1: Oh no, there's no censorship, right And what I'm what
Speaker 1: I'm saying is and there's no censorship on the show.
Speaker 1: But as someone once said, and I I forget who
Speaker 1: it was, I should I should should have remembered it
Speaker 1: that that we have the worst form of government except
Speaker 1: for all the others.
Speaker 2: That's that's why I agree.
Speaker 4: I got Eric, I got Eric.
Speaker 1: Eric. We've stumbled through ten minutes.
Speaker 2: You're the best. I appreciate you thinking of my call
Speaker 2: as always, Dan, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Welcome. That's a great night. Here comes the news at
Speaker 1: the bottom of the hour. We'll uh, we'll take some
Speaker 1: I got Emma coming up. I'm looking forward to talk
Speaker 1: with Emma. I have no idea. I have no idea.
Speaker 1: Patrick and Eric explained problems, but you've left me there.
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, the roof is leaking on my house. Okay,
Speaker 1: the water's coming in and in the wintertime it's freezing. Okay,
Speaker 1: what do we do to fix it? Back on Nightside,
Speaker 1: you're on night Side's news radio. I think the difference
Speaker 1: is in the House and Senate version of the big
Speaker 1: beautiful tax bill truly irreconcilable. They're about seven or eight
Speaker 1: really key points that the Republicans of the Senate disagree
Speaker 1: with the Republicans at the House on.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: The Trump administration has been on a winning streak, but
Speaker 1: that winning streak may come to an end this weekend.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Emma. Hey, Emma, appreciate you call. You're
Speaker 1: next on nightside, Emma Gorette Ahead, is Emma there?
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, sorry, Hi, I'm here.
Speaker 4: How are you fine? How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm doing great? What's we got a couple of topics
Speaker 1: going here? You picked the topic of conversation Gorette Ahead, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 6: Calling her out Brian Coberger, that whole situation. I've been
Speaker 6: following this from the beginning, and I wanted to mention
Speaker 6: you know that I heard Patrick's call, and I absolutely
Speaker 6: can sympathize with all of that. And there's actually, though,
Speaker 6: no excuse for obviously committing a crime like this is
Speaker 6: beyond any words. But I wanted to approach this from
Speaker 6: a different angle as well. I've been following it and
Speaker 6: researching about this, and this man, Brian, even at a
Speaker 6: young age, had a lot of mental illness that was
Speaker 6: visible to his family and friends. And I think what
Speaker 6: I would like to actually stress is that I don't
Speaker 6: know if he ever got help for that, because from
Speaker 6: what I understand, his parents may have actually protected him,
Speaker 6: they may have covered up for him, and you know,
Speaker 6: he's a good boy and all of that, and I
Speaker 6: think in the end that hurts a person, so I
Speaker 6: think seeing that those signs at a young age and
Speaker 6: getting help, I think maybe may have helped this person
Speaker 6: who was mentally ill already but just kind of snapped
Speaker 6: when maybe all of that human resources stuff happened. And
Speaker 6: I'm not justifying again, I just looking at it from
Speaker 6: that angle of a person that may have needed help
Speaker 6: long ago and maybe never got it. And I think
Speaker 6: we have a lot of those people walking around and
Speaker 6: it's kind of scary, I know.
Speaker 1: And I'm right with you where you are, and the
Speaker 1: idea is that you look, I don't know enough about him.
Speaker 1: But even if he had the worst childhood in America. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and let's assume that he was beaten by his dad,
Speaker 1: and I don't know that he was. Whatever happened, okay,
Speaker 1: nothing could justify what went on. I do think that
Speaker 1: parents tend to be pretty protective of their children. I'm
Speaker 1: a parent and a grandparent. Sure I'm a little tougher
Speaker 1: than probably most most dads, But I don't know that
Speaker 1: I was in any way, shape or form perfect. And
Speaker 1: I got to tell you, I don't know if you
Speaker 1: have kids, Emma or no.
Speaker 6: No, I'm sorry, I don't.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, you still may who knows. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: the point is that it's this tremendous responsibility. And then
Speaker 1: you second if you I second guessed myself every day.
Speaker 4: Oh do you know?
Speaker 6: I mean, well, you seem like to be a great dad.
Speaker 6: I wish I would have you for a dad for
Speaker 6: one day.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. I think my kids turned out
Speaker 1: pretty well. But I also don't think I can't take
Speaker 1: credit for that.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: And I mean that seriously. I'm I happen to have
Speaker 1: the point of view that and I don't want to
Speaker 1: get religious on you here, but that you know, Uh,
Speaker 1: God gave me and my wife two children, and it
Speaker 1: was our responsibility that that we essentially borrowed them from
Speaker 1: from God. And again, I you don't have to buy that.
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you how I felt it about it,
Speaker 1: and that they were a gift to us. Uh. And
Speaker 1: we had to do our very best to try to
Speaker 1: help them as we saw best. And I'm sure we
Speaker 1: made a lot of mistakes. Uh. And maybe Coberg his
Speaker 1: parents made mistakes, But I just don't understand how someone
Speaker 1: gets to that point. And and and now the whole
Speaker 1: reason we started talking about this was he's gotten He's
Speaker 1: gotten a pretty big break here. Uh uh, you know,
Speaker 1: four people are dead, and he's going to spend the
Speaker 1: rest of his life and who knows, maybe long after
Speaker 1: I don't know how old you are, but believe me,
Speaker 1: long after I'm dead, there could be a governor of
Speaker 1: Idaho who could come along and and and a new
Speaker 1: theory of psychology conclude that that this man was convicted
Speaker 1: unjustly based upon the mental you know, flaws that were
Speaker 1: not diagnosed properly. You know, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And it was really a societal problem that that failed
Speaker 1: him and therefore he could not because you know, it's
Speaker 1: kind of where I think both Eric and Patrick, who
Speaker 1: probably a better persons than I am. No, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: and I think I just think the whole complexity of children.
Speaker 1: And now I'm seeing it again. We have grandchildren, two grandchildren.
Speaker 6: Great, you know you congratulations, thank you, thank you very much.
Speaker 1: Ema. What do you do? What type of work do
Speaker 1: you do?
Speaker 6: If I could ask, well, I'm in a mental health field.
Speaker 6: I'm a counselor. So this is why this drew me in,
Speaker 6: and I've been following it. It was it was of interest
Speaker 6: to me because I was reading some of the also
Speaker 6: some of the things that supposedly Brian under an alias
Speaker 6: wrote online and he was a very troubled person. That
Speaker 6: drew me into like read it in some other forums
Speaker 6: where he expressed how distressed he was at a very
Speaker 6: young age, and that kind of drew me into the
Speaker 6: whole thing. And this this the kid had a lot
Speaker 6: of issues. And I don't know, as I said, where
Speaker 6: his parents were with this. I know his mother was
Speaker 6: very protective of him, and she was an you know,
Speaker 6: Italian mom, and I think she was very like, you know,
Speaker 6: a typical Italian mom, like you know, and I have
Speaker 6: an aunt like that, very very protective and like the
Speaker 6: child could do no wrong. But I think in the end,
Speaker 6: there were a lot of signs there about him as
Speaker 6: far as he was a very distressed young man, you know.
Speaker 1: And so what do you think, as a professional, yes,
Speaker 1: should have been done.
Speaker 6: I that's hard to say, but I was I was
Speaker 6: hoping that maybe his parents brought him in for apparently
Speaker 6: I mean, even if they brought him in for counseling,
Speaker 6: which I don't believe happened, although we don't know that
Speaker 6: may have you know, steered him in a different direction.
Speaker 6: I don't think he ever really got whatever it was.
Speaker 6: I don't think he ever really got obviously the help
Speaker 6: that he needed. And I just from a point of view,
Speaker 6: I think he was he the diagnoses. I'm not qualified
Speaker 6: on that level to say what he would be diagnosed as,
Speaker 6: but he definitely has a mental illness that went unfortunately untreated.
Speaker 1: Don't you think that anyone who would commit a crime
Speaker 1: like that, yeah, has mental illness. I talked earlier about
Speaker 1: the twenty year old guy, uh in Pennsylvania, in Pennsylvania
Speaker 1: who climbed up on the roof with a weapon and
Speaker 1: a gun and came within two or three inches of
Speaker 1: killing van candidate Trump now uh president right, And the
Speaker 1: idea is that how come no one saw that?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 1: And by the way, I'm very disappointed that our government,
Speaker 1: including the Trump administration, has not given us a real
Speaker 1: readout of what this guy's problems were. I don't think
Speaker 1: this was a normal kid who woke up on some
Speaker 1: Saturday morning and said, you know, I got I'm thinking
Speaker 1: I'm going to kill Trump today, you know. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if they were foreign influences. We'd heard some
Speaker 1: stuff that he had been on his computer and all
Speaker 1: of that. I just think I just think of the
Speaker 1: guy down who was hanging out by the golf course.
Speaker 1: That was a weird looking dude to me, with a
Speaker 1: weird background in terms of where he had traveled, Well,
Speaker 1: how did he travel that much? I mean, he didn't
Speaker 1: seem to have anything. So that gets into law enforcement issues.
Speaker 1: But you're talking about identify a problem.
Speaker 6: Yes, mental health. Yeah, at first, sad and I think,
Speaker 6: when I look at this kid's not a kid anymore.
Speaker 6: But when I look and I've seen, I see so
Speaker 6: much in that in that face and those.
Speaker 1: Eyes I hate. I'm so glad you said that because
Speaker 1: I look at the kid and it's like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, it's all there. But yeah, but if I
Speaker 1: said that to someone other than you, they say to me,
Speaker 1: why would you say that? Because he doesn't have the
Speaker 1: same demeanor that you have, that he doesn't look like you,
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. So so we've all been told this.
Speaker 1: If you see something, say something. But if you see
Speaker 1: something and you say something and it's the wrong thing
Speaker 1: that you've said about someone that you'd say it about,
Speaker 1: then you might be called a bad a bad person yourself.
Speaker 6: Do you know, Oh yes, oh my god, I do.
Speaker 1: Okay, Hey, have you called my show before time? Well,
Speaker 1: we got to get you a rout of applause from
Speaker 1: our digital studio audience. Here you much.
Speaker 6: I love your show. I listened quiet, you know, in
Speaker 6: the background, but I love everything that you do. You're awesome.
Speaker 1: Do me a favorite, Emma. Okay, I need more people
Speaker 1: like you who I mean that seriously, who are thoughtful,
Speaker 1: who come from different backgrounds. I have a lot of
Speaker 1: people who call my show and him on a basis.
Speaker 1: I love them, okay, because they're my most loyal listeners,
Speaker 1: but I also want people like you. You're very thoughtful. You've
Speaker 1: made me think, You've made me to say a couple
Speaker 1: of things that maybe I wouldn't have said. And that's
Speaker 1: what this show is all about. There are people out
Speaker 1: there listening who listen and they are alone, and I
Speaker 1: want them to understand they're not alone. They're part of
Speaker 1: the night Side family. And I might never have I've
Speaker 1: met a lot of my listeners, by the way, and
Speaker 1: you probably haven't been a listener for long, but I
Speaker 1: remember I had a guy, and I just want you to.
Speaker 1: I want you to. I want to give you some
Speaker 1: insight into who I am. So bear with me. For
Speaker 1: a second. I had a guy who called me, it's
Speaker 1: going to be twelve years fourteen, fifteen years ago when
Speaker 1: I first started doing the show Jim and the Swamp.
Speaker 1: He told me that he lived full time three sixty
Speaker 1: five twenty four to seven in a swamp. And I
Speaker 1: believed them, but I wanted to verify, so I said,
Speaker 1: I'll meet you and I'll take you to breakfast, and
Speaker 1: he went along with it. I went and I met him.
Speaker 1: He lived in his swamp in Raindom, Massachusetts. Okay, former druggy,
Speaker 1: former drug mule, former alcoholic who at the age of forty,
Speaker 1: got his life together, but he couldn't function in society.
Speaker 1: He had hot water he carried in uh, you know,
Speaker 1: propaying gas tanks. Brilliant guy. Brilliant guy. He was dead
Speaker 1: by fifty. He died of cancer, but I met him
Speaker 1: a couple of times. I went to his wake. He
Speaker 1: was one of my best callers consistently, A brilliant guy.
Speaker 1: Just couldn't function. But he couldn't function in society. So
Speaker 1: I have some interesting callers. Emma, you now are amongst
Speaker 1: that group. Please continue to participate in this program.
Speaker 4: Thank you, I admire you.
Speaker 6: I will again.
Speaker 4: Thanks than you do.
Speaker 1: All Right, we'll talk again. Okay, Hopefully someday we get
Speaker 1: a chance to meet. All Right, you're very welcome. Great
Speaker 1: call Emma. I happen to love the name Emma. We'll
Speaker 1: take a break. We'll be right back on Nightside. I
Speaker 1: know we've gone along with these callers tonight, but it's
Speaker 1: been really worth it. This has been the best hour
Speaker 1: of the night as far as I'm concerned. We'll be
Speaker 1: back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 2: It's Nightside with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 1: Were three callers in the line. I'm gonna get them
Speaker 1: all in. We're gonna start with Joe and Lynn. Joe,
Speaker 1: you were next on Nightside. Welcome back, Dan.
Speaker 4: This is an interesting conversation. I have mixed feelings. I
Speaker 4: don't like what uh Brian did, but I see because
Speaker 4: some of us, like me and others. I'm gonna go
Speaker 4: for lunch tomorrow with my friend from Brighton we talk
Speaker 4: about these We are partially uh like Homeo genius and people.
Speaker 4: The trigger. I think the trigger is people just aren't
Speaker 4: getting the help they need and that man should have
Speaker 4: been examined, just like Mangione. Now I know you don't
Speaker 4: agree with me. But I'm I don't feel bad that
Speaker 4: he killed it. I mean, it was wrong, but people
Speaker 4: are fed up. I've talked to doctors and nurses, some
Speaker 4: of them understanding, some of them have mixed feelings the
Speaker 4: way I do now. Kennedy Hinckley, I'm glad he is better.
Speaker 4: I hope he's better because they treated him right, maybe
Speaker 4: because he had money.
Speaker 1: But who did you talk about that? I'm sorry, who
Speaker 1: was that you were referring to?
Speaker 4: Hinkley Hinkley, Oh, John Hinckley, Hickley.
Speaker 1: Well, yes, Hickley was was a problem. And look, he's
Speaker 1: now walking amongst us. He now, well, maybe he attempted
Speaker 1: to kill the president of the United States and he's
Speaker 1: walking amongst us.
Speaker 4: Come on, well, but I know, but that's fifty years later.
Speaker 4: Everybody needs a chance. I think even Pats.
Speaker 1: It's about forty years later.
Speaker 4: But all right, forty years But he admitted he was wrong,
Speaker 4: and he was he seemed very sympathetic and he a
Speaker 4: b You have to give these people a chance.
Speaker 1: In my views, Well, not when you're talking about people
Speaker 1: who are going to take out the president of the
Speaker 1: United States or not. He's going to kill four innocent people.
Speaker 4: Well that's wrong. I agree, but something there's a trigger Dan,
Speaker 4: something like that.
Speaker 1: But guess what, Guess what in this world, certain people,
Speaker 1: you've dealt with a lot of issues in your life.
Speaker 1: I know you have to go very bad.
Speaker 4: You've never met me, but you will from a very
Speaker 4: bad issue.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I'm telling you that. But you
Speaker 1: never gone out and hurt anyone.
Speaker 4: No, but boy, sometimes I feel like it. Believe me, all.
Speaker 1: Right, Joe, seriously, good, good points.
Speaker 4: I appreciate one other. Quickly, you be quick?
Speaker 1: Go ahead?
Speaker 4: Can I be real quick? Iceland? Can I be real
Speaker 4: quick Iceland?
Speaker 1: Iceland?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I may like to live in Iceland because it's
Speaker 4: a safer country from what I posted.
Speaker 1: Keep me posted.
Speaker 4: Okay, you be a good country.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 4: I have a friend that I know somebody went there.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you very much.
Speaker 1: Okay, I know someone who went there to Reiki e
Speaker 1: Vic Jeff and Abington. Jeff, you got to be quick
Speaker 1: for me, man, go right ahead.
Speaker 5: Well you say you don't see your calls, but you
Speaker 5: hung up on me last week's.
Speaker 1: What did you say that caused me to hang up
Speaker 1: on you?
Speaker 5: I said all democrats are evil?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well I think that's a really stupid statement. Hopefully
Speaker 1: you have something more intelligent to say tonight. Go ahead.
Speaker 5: Well, okay, well, you're showing your ignorance the way you
Speaker 5: talk about mental illness, because in this state, if you're
Speaker 5: a treated for mental illness, once you get leave of
Speaker 5: the hospital, you're not forced to take your medication. And
Speaker 5: that comes from the left wing wackos who say a
Speaker 5: person has a right to do what they want. Most
Speaker 5: of these school shootings are all mental illness.
Speaker 1: They're all mental illness, no question about that. Okay, no
Speaker 1: question about that. Jeff, do me a favor. I did
Speaker 1: hang up on you last week because you generalized and
Speaker 1: you said, I have a lot of friends who are Democrats,
Speaker 1: were not evil, Okay, So therefore I'm not going to
Speaker 1: allow you to insult my friends who I know are
Speaker 1: not evil. But if you were.
Speaker 5: When you when you had a guy on about saying
Speaker 5: how I talked to a Trump was in New England
Speaker 5: and you said you the guy and who was with you?
Speaker 5: When you had no steak in the game. You have
Speaker 5: a steak in the game because you who did you
Speaker 5: vote for for president?
Speaker 1: Not none of your business.
Speaker 5: That's right. You don't have the gutstay answer the.
Speaker 1: Question because who did you vote for for President Trump?
Speaker 5: Good for you, Okay, but you don't have just like
Speaker 5: Charlie Baker, you don't have the.
Speaker 1: They have a great night. I'm going to hang up
Speaker 1: on you. Guys, got the plank please, Rob, just go
Speaker 1: for a swimmer real quickly. Tim, I got about twenty seconds.
Speaker 1: You're the last caller of the night. As you offer,
Speaker 1: are go ahead?
Speaker 2: Tim, Hi, Dan Rad, thanks taking my call. Was this
Speaker 2: I just got in? Was this topic about the guy
Speaker 2: who killed four students?
Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, yes that was.
Speaker 2: Field He yes, they should.
Speaker 1: Did we lose them there? I think we Okay, we
Speaker 1: lost them? Sorry, okay, thirty five left done for the night.
Speaker 1: Interesting show didn't get to what I want to get to.
Speaker 1: We'll get to that tomorrow night. I promise. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be doing night Side right now w b Z Nightside
Speaker 1: with Dan Ray on Facebook. We'll we'll do a postgame analysis.
Speaker 1: I want to thank Rob Brooks back in the control room.
Speaker 1: Want to thank Shane, great job. Guys, want to thank Marita.
Speaker 1: I'll see you tomorrow night. I'm here tomorrow night. I'm
Speaker 1: on Friday, Thursday and Friday. I'll end as always All dogs,
Speaker 1: all cats, all pets go to heaven. That's my pal
Speaker 1: Charlie ray Is, who passed fifteen years ago in February.
Speaker 1: That's where all your pets are who have passed. They
Speaker 1: love you when you love them. I do believe we'll
Speaker 1: see them again. Hope see you get themorrow night on nights.
Speaker 1: I have a great Wednesday. Everyone, stay cool, keep calm,
Speaker 1: and we'll see you on Facebook in a couple of
Speaker 1: minutes