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<v Speaker 1>Two braces in a week. What is going on here?

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<v Speaker 1>And that being said, the high right now is higher

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<v Speaker 1>than it was then.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, this is Remco. Thanks for clicking on the video.

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<v Speaker 2>This is my brand new podcast called Face the Ace,

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<v Speaker 2>in which I talked to the most interesting people in

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<v Speaker 2>poker and go a little deeper into the topics you

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<v Speaker 2>most care about. Enjoy all right, this is Remco. This

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<v Speaker 2>is faced as I'm joined by Greg Mueller, arguably one

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<v Speaker 2>of the biggest aces of poker right now, making the

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<v Speaker 2>final table of the WSP main event. I feel as though, Greg,

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<v Speaker 2>you and I go so far back that to me,

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<v Speaker 2>it's almost like an old friend making the final table.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so glad. This is so good to see you

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<v Speaker 2>make the final table. And the first thing I want

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<v Speaker 2>to just start off with, what was the experience like

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<v Speaker 2>in the days after making the final table? What sort

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<v Speaker 2>of came at you? What was the experience like? And

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<v Speaker 2>were you able to perhaps unwind at all at any point?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Great question. It's been a world And then the

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<v Speaker 1>best thing I ever did was to get my ass

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<v Speaker 1>on a flight and come home. As much as there's

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<v Speaker 1>still been a lot of you know, media and incoming

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<v Speaker 1>support and love and all that I've been able to

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<v Speaker 1>sleep in my own bed. I have such a healthy

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<v Speaker 1>team of supporters, Like, like I said the first thing,

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<v Speaker 1>I said, my trainer, she's been cooking me the healthy meals,

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<v Speaker 1>training me at least once a day, sometimes twice a day,

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<v Speaker 1>having support of friends that are training with me kind

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<v Speaker 1>of to encourage me, and and just being in my

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<v Speaker 1>bed and eating healthy and sleeping and just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>regrouping before the final table has been it's been amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, because you don't realize how sleep deprived you

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<v Speaker 1>are for eight days and how poorly you're eating, and

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<v Speaker 1>how a lack of vitamin D and a lack of exercise,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, it's not not just so much on

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<v Speaker 1>the looks at all. Actually, it's just how you feel inside.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I haven't had one toms since I've been home,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was crushing them before, you know, and so

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<v Speaker 1>so yeah, it's it's been amazing, But I also know

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<v Speaker 1>there's I have a lot of work to do.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's so crazy to see the contrast between sort

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<v Speaker 2>of the the Greg Mueller before the main event, I

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<v Speaker 2>read your story with Lance Bradley. You and I spoke

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<v Speaker 2>multiple times during the main event, so so the Greg

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<v Speaker 2>Muller before the main, during the main and now sort

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<v Speaker 2>of in this in between phase. And I'm sure there

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<v Speaker 2>will be another version of yourself uncovered once this whole

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<v Speaker 2>main event story completes in a little over a week.

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<v Speaker 2>But allow me to go back to before the WSOP,

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<v Speaker 2>because right now you're living in this state of preparation,

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<v Speaker 2>you're living in the state of focus, You're paying this

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<v Speaker 2>to your diet, you're exercising a lot. I'll just ask

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<v Speaker 2>you straight up, why weren't you doing those things before

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<v Speaker 2>the WSLP.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I actually am very active in exercise a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>I tend to be an all or nothing guy at times,

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<v Speaker 1>and even though I'm training hard, I'm eating good, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>doing the right things, and I feel a gazillion times better.

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<v Speaker 1>The bottom line is I still have a deeper target

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<v Speaker 1>to hit as far as how I like my physical

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<v Speaker 1>fitness to be. I have very high standards, and sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>when I realize, oh, it's already April, I'm never going

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<v Speaker 1>to get to my ultimate goal by May twenty fifth,

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<v Speaker 1>when I have to leave, Eh, I'll deal with it

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<v Speaker 1>when I get home kind of and versus thinking, well,

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<v Speaker 1>a month of going hard and dropping seven LB's and

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<v Speaker 1>feeling better will be better than not, right, I tend

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<v Speaker 1>to say, well, if I can't get to my ex

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<v Speaker 1>weight anyways, no matter what. When I'm at home, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>very active. I'm always on the ice, I'm walking the

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<v Speaker 1>golf course, I'm training a few times a week. It's

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<v Speaker 1>my diet. Let's say I never diet, but I'm saying

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<v Speaker 1>it's what my food intake makes all the difference, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm crushing bags of chips while I'm watching sports

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<v Speaker 1>or if I'm not. And you know that's I'm always

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<v Speaker 1>very very active at home, not so much in Vegas.

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<v Speaker 1>And so when you ask me, I guess the question

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<v Speaker 1>is why not? Before I was very active, but I

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<v Speaker 1>knew that the tunnel was too far to get to

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<v Speaker 1>an ultimate goal. That I was like, Okay, I'll worry

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<v Speaker 1>about that when I get home for the summer. And

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<v Speaker 1>in the beginning of the World Series, first two weeks,

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<v Speaker 1>I was at the gym every day. The next two weeks,

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<v Speaker 1>I went for one and a half to two hour

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<v Speaker 1>walks every morning. It just started. As the time moved on,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, you kind of have that I'll start Monday,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll start at the end of the month. I'll start

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<v Speaker 1>when I get home kind of attitude. And well, this

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<v Speaker 1>time it was a little more urgency with being home

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<v Speaker 1>for two and a half weeks before the final table.

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<v Speaker 2>So with that athlete blood that's running through your veins

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<v Speaker 2>and your history playing hockey at a high level, is

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<v Speaker 2>there also some some sort of switch that gets flipped

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<v Speaker 2>once that moment's moment arrives because I knew that's the

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<v Speaker 2>first thing you said, like you got I'm gonna go home,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to lose some weight, I'm gonna get locked in.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that sort of a sort of a sort of

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<v Speaker 2>mode that you possess, that you can sort of reach

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<v Speaker 2>back to from the past.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. It's like muscle memory a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, And I'm very fortunate that I did

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<v Speaker 1>play professional hockey and have that ability to kind of say, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's it. Three weeks still training camp. I have to go,

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<v Speaker 1>I have to go balls to the wall, whereas a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people they don't really know how to do that,

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<v Speaker 1>and so for me, it's just easy. I just kept

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<v Speaker 1>the junk food cabinet, which is quite the legendary cabinet

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<v Speaker 1>clear of chips and chocolates and sours, and just made

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<v Speaker 1>it a point to get eight hours a night and exercise,

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<v Speaker 1>eat clean, and just you know, it's not just the appearance,

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<v Speaker 1>it's how I feel. And right now I feel relaxed,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel energized, and you just feel so much better.

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<v Speaker 1>And yes, I guess the answer to your question is,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very fortunate that I have that ability to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of on a die make that adjustment.

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<v Speaker 2>The narrative of your main event run is sort of

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<v Speaker 2>interesting because there was a few things that could have

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<v Speaker 2>gone differently and you wouldn't even have played the main event.

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<v Speaker 2>You and Sean my Cannon, your close friend you know

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking about or you. I guess you were saying,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even want to be here, and you didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have the drive and the motivation. Take us through how

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<v Speaker 2>that moment was, how you experience that, and then how

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<v Speaker 2>things started the change as you went deeper into the main.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's not that I was not going to

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<v Speaker 1>play the main because I play it every year. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just that it's something I've been battling with for a while.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, when you get to the I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to say, the top of the food chain. But when

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<v Speaker 1>you've had some successes, you kind of I did, I

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<v Speaker 1>could speak for myself. Lost the drive to compete and

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<v Speaker 1>and and be involved in the in the poker as

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<v Speaker 1>much like I just lost the zest. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if it's I'm getting older and realizing that times of

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<v Speaker 1>the essence and I don't want to sit at the

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<v Speaker 1>poker table my whole life anymore, or what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>But I just kind of found myself going through the motions.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, like I said, it was probably about

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<v Speaker 1>a week before the main Bucky and I had gotten

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<v Speaker 1>into it, and and you know, it got a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit testing, not in a way like him and I

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<v Speaker 1>always have love for each other, but in a way

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<v Speaker 1>where he was giving me some tough love and I

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<v Speaker 1>was actually telling him, I'm okay, i'll tell you what.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll side bet me versus this guy against you. And

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<v Speaker 1>he goes, oh, I can find you endless action for that.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, no, I don't want endless action. I want

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<v Speaker 1>you to crossbook me versus him. You think I can't

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<v Speaker 1>play anymore, whatever I win, you pay me out of

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<v Speaker 1>your pocket, and whatever he wins, I'll pay you out

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<v Speaker 1>of my pocket. And he said, I don't not have

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<v Speaker 1>faith and you'll side bet me and you versus anybody,

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<v Speaker 1>but it just seems like you're in the moment drawn dead.

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<v Speaker 1>And I said, okay, so then me versus this particular

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<v Speaker 1>guy relevant who it is. I just randomly pulled up

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<v Speaker 1>a good no limit player and said me versus him,

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<v Speaker 1>but me against you and and he said that's nonsense.

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<v Speaker 1>And I said, well, no, we'll go up to two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred thousand max pains so we don't, you know, really

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<v Speaker 1>hurt each other. And and and after the test, astrone

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<v Speaker 1>or the ego kind of calmed down a bit, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I went went and played night golf at Shadow Creek

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<v Speaker 1>and had a few cocktails, and then the next night

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<v Speaker 1>had some more cocktails. And it was, you know, two

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<v Speaker 1>three days before the main. Then I slept all day,

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<v Speaker 1>did a lot of thinking and said, okay, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>he's right, I am going completely through the motions. It's

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<v Speaker 1>tough to see for a guy that loves and cares

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<v Speaker 1>for you. And okay, I told him I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>give it my own I told him before it started,

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<v Speaker 1>and I mean more to myself, but also verbalized it. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to give it my own in this main event,

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<v Speaker 1>and if I lose or bluff it off or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>that's just part of poker. But I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 1>do it because I don't want to be here or

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<v Speaker 1>because I'd rather do something else. And he said, right on,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the fight that I want to see. And my

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<v Speaker 1>other good buddy said to me after day one, I had,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, one hundred thousand. After day one, you start

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<v Speaker 1>with sixty. And he said, tomorrow is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>the toughest day for you. If you get by tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're going to make a deep run. My buddy, Triple,

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<v Speaker 1>I said, And I was like, why do you say that?

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<v Speaker 1>And he says, because day two is still so early.

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<v Speaker 1>It's still a big grind day. It's grinding hasn't been

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<v Speaker 1>in your nature for a while. But if you can

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<v Speaker 1>get to through that day without it being serious yet,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to make it run. And so I grinded

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<v Speaker 1>through that day and had one hundred and seventy five,

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<v Speaker 1>which again slightly above averager, you know, right around there.

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<v Speaker 1>And then and then he said to me again the

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<v Speaker 1>same bat, Triple I said, if you can get through

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<v Speaker 1>day four because it's still in the money, but sort

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<v Speaker 1>of early I think you're going to make it run.

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<v Speaker 1>And I and once we got to day five, people said, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the day, you know, and I said, no,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going We're going deeper. And I remember seeing you

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<v Speaker 1>on day four, I think right before the money bubble.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I was on the bubble, on the bubble.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it was on the bubble, and yeah, I knew

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<v Speaker 1>I was. I don't know, it was really weird. I

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<v Speaker 1>knew I would win the coin flip. I knew my

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<v Speaker 1>eighty twenty would hold up with the jacks against the nines.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just, I don't know, It's one of those things, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I just I felt kind of so weird.

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<v Speaker 2>It was cool to see because the energy I saw

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<v Speaker 2>from you on the bubble when we spoke, that energy

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<v Speaker 2>was sort of the classic FBT energy. You know, you're

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<v Speaker 2>always high spirits, you're always full of positivity. So when

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<v Speaker 2>you said that to me in the moment, I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm kind of surprised to hear that. You know, you

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<v Speaker 2>that run and obviously you know you did, and now

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<v Speaker 2>we're here, which is awesome, But I want to sort

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<v Speaker 2>of hear, like, what is it truly like for someone

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<v Speaker 2>who's been in this game for so long. You've had

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<v Speaker 2>so much success, You've won multiple bracelets, you've got millions

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<v Speaker 2>of dollars on the old hend and mob, what is

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<v Speaker 2>it really like to finally experience a Day seven and

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<v Speaker 2>a Day eight in the main Because every single year

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<v Speaker 2>that you come to Vegas, you see a group of characters,

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<v Speaker 2>some you might know, most you might not have that experience,

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<v Speaker 2>and you hear them say how amazing it is. You

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<v Speaker 2>hear them talk about how crazy it is to make

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<v Speaker 2>your main event final table, but then you were in

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<v Speaker 2>it this year. Described that to me, Well.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's something that's like every poker player buys in

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<v Speaker 1>wanting to win the meme, but it's almost so unrealistic

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<v Speaker 1>that whenever you bust, it hurts. Whenever you bust the

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<v Speaker 1>main event, it's like the toughest day of the year

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<v Speaker 1>for a poker player, let's say, right, because you find

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<v Speaker 1>yourself just like, ah, I'm out, you know, but you

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<v Speaker 1>you almost expect when is it going to happen? Because

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<v Speaker 1>nobody makes the final table, right, Like it's it's just

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<v Speaker 1>it's so even if you're good or you're bad or

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<v Speaker 1>it's almost it's it's it's almost unrealistic, right and until

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<v Speaker 1>it is realistic, and all of a sudden, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I have average stack with you know, five hundred left,

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<v Speaker 1>slight years away, but all of a sudden, there's one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred left, and then there's sick left, and then there's

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one left. And you know, I will say Day eight,

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<v Speaker 1>heading into DA eight, I was having my doubts a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. I was nineteenth out of twenty one in chips,

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<v Speaker 1>and I remember Bucky going, dude, oh, what a spot

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<v Speaker 1>you're in. I'm going, what a spot? What do you mean?

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<v Speaker 1>He goes, you're you're twenty one people left in the main?

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<v Speaker 1>I go, yeah, a look at my stack. He goes, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>you got a heaps of chips? What do you mean?

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, do you really believe that? He goes,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, you know, And that was that was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of the first day where I thought I was

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<v Speaker 1>short with my you know, twenty blinds or whatever. I

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<v Speaker 1>did was that I had and and you know, his

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<v Speaker 1>constant pounding it into my head that this is not

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<v Speaker 1>level five of a tournament with twenty blinds, This is

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<v Speaker 1>not a small buy in, this is the main twenty

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<v Speaker 1>blinds is heaps of chips, and he just kept drilling

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<v Speaker 1>it into my head until all of a sudden, Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, we're down to like twelve here, what is

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<v Speaker 1>going on? And you know, and all of a sudden, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there it is, and it's yeah, it's uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't say to start the tournament, that was my goal.

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<v Speaker 1>My goal was just to play well. And because it's

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<v Speaker 1>who makes the final table, you know, so yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>was no expectation other than for myself to give it

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<v Speaker 2>And then you've played quite a few just insane equity

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<v Speaker 2>spots in that final lead up to get to the

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<v Speaker 2>final nine. You know that you got to win the flips,

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<v Speaker 2>you got to you got to have your aces hold

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<v Speaker 2>up versus kings, and then all of a sudden, you

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<v Speaker 2>know you're there. And and for the people watching, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>not to go through the whole final table, but you

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<v Speaker 2>got thirty two bigs coming into the final table. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>Lucas Jumalan has a monster ship lead, which also means

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<v Speaker 2>that you know, in a way, the fight for who

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<v Speaker 2>gets the play heads up against him is wide open,

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<v Speaker 2>just to you know, throw out a scenario and you

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<v Speaker 2>know you're right in the fight, which is which is

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<v Speaker 2>of course great to see, much better than coming into

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<v Speaker 2>the final table with like eleven bigs. So how do

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<v Speaker 2>you look at the situation at hand, how do you

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<v Speaker 2>look at the challenge of this final table.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, first of all, it's to go back on Day eight.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I was in very fortunate. I was in

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<v Speaker 1>some very good spots and day you know, on the

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<v Speaker 1>right side of a couple of coolers and won that

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<v Speaker 1>key flip. I do have to say heading into day eight,

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<v Speaker 1>I was only all in for my tournament life before

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<v Speaker 1>day eight. One time I had two kings and my

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<v Speaker 1>opponent had Ace Queen. I got lucky on some hands

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<v Speaker 1>along the way, but I was never all in. So

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<v Speaker 1>heading into day the only time I was ever all

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<v Speaker 1>in was I had two kings against Ace Queen and Health.

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<v Speaker 1>And then on day eight, like you said, I found

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<v Speaker 1>myself into all these kinds of spots because the game

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<v Speaker 1>changes a little bit, you know, along the way, you're

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred big blind's deep, two hundred big blinds deep.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, every hand isn't as crucial. You can play

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<v Speaker 1>post flop, you can check raise on the turns. There's

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot more river bluffing. There's a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>that you can kind of do. Whereas now it's such

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<v Speaker 1>a range has become so tight and and the stacks

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<v Speaker 1>have become so much smaller that there's a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>pre flop action which dictates things right and so so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and then on day eight, I mean, I blessed to be,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, on the right side of two coolers

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<v Speaker 1>if you may, and to win a race, and you

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<v Speaker 1>know those are that has to happen in this event.

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<v Speaker 1>I've always said, you have to play really good, you

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<v Speaker 1>have to be lucky, and you can't be unlucky, which

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<v Speaker 1>is even the most of it, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's it's one thing to put it in with

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<v Speaker 1>aces versus Kingsby. You can't afford for him to hit

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<v Speaker 1>the king right. And so now coming into the main

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<v Speaker 1>the final table again, yeah, the early perception and odds

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<v Speaker 1>are Jumelin versus who and he's a great player, a

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<v Speaker 1>really nice kid. I really like him. His rail's fun.

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<v Speaker 1>I always saw it. How would be epic if it

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<v Speaker 1>was my hockey rail versus his rail, loud and fun

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<v Speaker 1>and in good spirits, the young versus the old. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it would be an amazing heads up du like if

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<v Speaker 1>I could, you know, draw it up, that would be

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<v Speaker 1>that would be what I would envision, you know. But

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<v Speaker 1>the thing that I've learned is that nobody's out, nobody's

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<v Speaker 1>a guarantee, and chips move and it might be two

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<v Speaker 1>people that are predicted and it might not be And

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<v Speaker 1>I can't really have a I can have a game

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<v Speaker 1>plan for now my stack nine handed, but when things change,

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<v Speaker 1>when chips move, when people bust, when position changes, so

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<v Speaker 1>does the strategy. And so you know, I've heard people saying,

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<v Speaker 1>I think Kneeler's going to do this or he's going

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<v Speaker 1>to do that. You can really it's cliche, but you

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<v Speaker 1>can really only go hand by hand like you really can.

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<v Speaker 2>So what we have heard in the past, and with

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<v Speaker 2>November nine this was a bit more relevant because there

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<v Speaker 2>was so much time to prepare, so you could really,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, put hundreds of hours into studying the specific scenarios.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's always something to be said for you know,

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<v Speaker 2>playing a few simulation final tables. You know, you play

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<v Speaker 2>your stacks. You got aid buddies that might play the

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<v Speaker 2>other stacks. Have you done anything like that to prepare?

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<v Speaker 2>And then you know, I know you're good friends with

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<v Speaker 2>with Sean Buchanan, and this guy also knows what's up

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to tournament play. What has the poker

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<v Speaker 2>prep been.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, Yeah, no, I'll tell you we haven't done that.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't. A couple buddies suggest that, hey, if you

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<v Speaker 1>need eight gummies so to say, that are or stand

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<v Speaker 1>ins you know, to I'll be gags and I'll be

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<v Speaker 1>Jumalan and like that, and and and I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>that's a realistic scenario at all. So I didn't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really want to deep dive too much into

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<v Speaker 1>the prep that I'm doing for the tournament, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's most the most prep I can say that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing. You know, obviously I'm I'm I'm doing something,

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<v Speaker 1>But for the most part, I think it's just to

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<v Speaker 1>keep the body and the mind and the mental and

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<v Speaker 1>physical aspect sharp. I think that's the most important thing

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<v Speaker 1>for me.

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<v Speaker 2>The game has changed so much throughout your career in poker,

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<v Speaker 2>and when you were first coming onto the scene, there

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<v Speaker 2>was still a lot to the fact that if you

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<v Speaker 2>were just talking to the right people, you could gain

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<v Speaker 2>a lot from that and get ahead the field. Well, nowadays,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the kids, as we like to call them,

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<v Speaker 2>they are just studying with solvers. They're they're basically figuring

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<v Speaker 2>out and and almost like turning some of these things

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<v Speaker 2>into like a math test, you know, memorizing how to

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<v Speaker 2>do certain things, how to play certain ways. I know

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<v Speaker 2>that you're also someone who is a really good at

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<v Speaker 2>reading body language, understanding you know, the sort of the

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<v Speaker 2>what the air in the room smells like. But how

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<v Speaker 2>do you marry it to how do you find a

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<v Speaker 2>common middle ground? And this is not even specifically a

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<v Speaker 2>question about the final table prep, but just you as

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean the game it's it's like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not necessarily in this spot, but I often find

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<v Speaker 1>myself at a table with eight robots and and it's Jesus,

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<v Speaker 1>game has changed a lot, you know. And and I

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<v Speaker 1>know this because I know people through people that they

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<v Speaker 1>study eight hours a day. I don't this last two

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<v Speaker 1>weeks a bit different. But ten and a half months

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm not in Vegas. I don't look or study

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<v Speaker 1>at a single poker hand. You know, I am or

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<v Speaker 1>was as far gto removed as it gets, and just

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<v Speaker 1>always got by with my instincts and my ability to

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<v Speaker 1>you know, with deception in a hand and tell the

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<v Speaker 1>story of my hand, and you know, versus the solvers

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<v Speaker 1>that that you know, I'll go into the tank. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>in the cuta off, Jesus, is this a good spot

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<v Speaker 1>to go? All in? Does he fold a lot? Whereas

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<v Speaker 1>they just okay, I have twelve bigs, it says Queen

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<v Speaker 1>Ate suited and above as a jam. They it's it's really,

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<v Speaker 1>it's really just easy flow. Whereas for me, I do

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<v Speaker 1>more of the human element. And now, obviously I'd be

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<v Speaker 1>foolish to say if I didn't learn a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>along the way and realize that all these sayings of

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<v Speaker 1>ICM and solvers and stuff. You know, I've realized along

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<v Speaker 1>the way how important they are and what they mean.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to because yeah, the game has it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>quite insane, how like you said, from ten to fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, how it's changed and That's the beautiful thing

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<v Speaker 1>about the main event is that not everyone's a solver

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<v Speaker 1>or a robot. Yet you know, everybody's better. Like the

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<v Speaker 1>real weak players from years ago are now let's say

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<v Speaker 1>they were D or eer F players, they're now C

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<v Speaker 1>plus c B plus players. The days of just somebody doesn't,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, jamming all in with middle pair top kicker

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<v Speaker 1>unless he's trying to bluff, It just doesn't happen anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, everybody's everybody's read and studied to a degree.

416
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<v Speaker 1>But how drastically the game has changed is I mean,

417
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<v Speaker 1>it's insane, it really is.

418
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<v Speaker 2>The longevity of your career to me, tells me one

419
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<v Speaker 2>very specific thing is that you have a really strong

420
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<v Speaker 2>talent for the game and a strong talent for reading

421
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<v Speaker 2>people because especially when you got into the game, the

422
00:23:26.119 --> 00:23:29.559
<v Speaker 2>tools weren't available and you were having success as well.

423
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<v Speaker 2>Allow yourself to go back in time to when you

424
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<v Speaker 2>first played WSOP or when you first, maybe back in Canada,

425
00:23:37.160 --> 00:23:39.559
<v Speaker 2>started playing in games where you figured out that hey,

426
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<v Speaker 2>I am the best player or I am one of

427
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<v Speaker 2>the guys who can make money at this. When was

428
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<v Speaker 2>that and what was that realization like that you were

429
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<v Speaker 2>trying to figure you were figuring things out other people weren't.

430
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was a human solver without realizing what I've

431
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<v Speaker 1>solved kind of, you know. And and when Nolan was

432
00:24:02.359 --> 00:24:07.240
<v Speaker 1>first made its comeback from limit, it was amazing, you know,

433
00:24:07.880 --> 00:24:10.400
<v Speaker 1>the amount of pressure I could put on. I'd tell

434
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<v Speaker 1>a buddy that was sitting behind me, I'm not even

435
00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:14.720
<v Speaker 1>going to look at this hand. You can look, but

436
00:24:14.839 --> 00:24:18.960
<v Speaker 1>I already know how with my sizing and how much

437
00:24:19.000 --> 00:24:21.119
<v Speaker 1>pressure to put on where they're just going to fold.

438
00:24:21.519 --> 00:24:23.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't need to look at my hand for an hour.

439
00:24:23.799 --> 00:24:28.400
<v Speaker 1>And I can just win pots in cash games by

440
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<v Speaker 1>putting pressure on, you know. And obviously have to polish

441
00:24:31.359 --> 00:24:33.319
<v Speaker 1>the way you do it. You can't just you know.

442
00:24:34.799 --> 00:24:41.039
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I always I thought that through my experience,

443
00:24:41.599 --> 00:24:48.000
<v Speaker 1>my ability to read people, my ability to make people

444
00:24:48.039 --> 00:24:52.279
<v Speaker 1>think I'm on tilt when I'm not, make them think

445
00:24:52.720 --> 00:24:55.839
<v Speaker 1>I'm playing tight when I'm not. You know, the kind

446
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<v Speaker 1>of what does he think of my game? I'm going

447
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<v Speaker 1>to counteract whatever it is. So if he thinks I'm

448
00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:01.839
<v Speaker 1>really tight, while I'm gonna rob him. And if he

449
00:25:01.880 --> 00:25:03.720
<v Speaker 1>thinks I'm really loose, I'm gonna wait for the hand

450
00:25:03.759 --> 00:25:05.559
<v Speaker 1>and over bet it and get him to make a

451
00:25:05.599 --> 00:25:08.960
<v Speaker 1>frustration call, you know. I mean there were so many

452
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<v Speaker 1>times when you know, I play the two five games

453
00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:13.480
<v Speaker 1>and I'd be in every hand so it looked like

454
00:25:13.759 --> 00:25:16.559
<v Speaker 1>but when I put the money in, you know, he'd

455
00:25:16.599 --> 00:25:19.000
<v Speaker 1>be like, I'm calling nobody else but you I'm calling.

456
00:25:19.039 --> 00:25:22.440
<v Speaker 1>And he'd put in like twenty five hundred big lines

457
00:25:23.440 --> 00:25:27.000
<v Speaker 1>with Jack's pre flop and I had the ass, and

458
00:25:27.119 --> 00:25:29.240
<v Speaker 1>he'd be like, man, this one time, you have it

459
00:25:29.359 --> 00:25:32.079
<v Speaker 1>because I gave the image of a maniac even though

460
00:25:32.119 --> 00:25:36.319
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't right. And these were the things that you

461
00:25:36.319 --> 00:25:39.519
<v Speaker 1>you could hone your skills in the live games, and

462
00:25:40.480 --> 00:25:46.200
<v Speaker 1>people couldn't get that experience without putting in the hours. Now,

463
00:25:46.279 --> 00:25:50.839
<v Speaker 1>unfortunately or over the past you know years, somebody can

464
00:25:50.960 --> 00:25:54.519
<v Speaker 1>never have played one minute of live poker. But he's,

465
00:25:56.240 --> 00:25:59.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, paying for coaching from all these coaching wizards

466
00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:02.759
<v Speaker 1>and takes the tools and sits at home and plays

467
00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:08.079
<v Speaker 1>twenty seven tables at once, and all of a sudden

468
00:26:08.119 --> 00:26:12.599
<v Speaker 1>he makes his first cash or a tournament entry. And

469
00:26:12.680 --> 00:26:17.160
<v Speaker 1>this guy's more polished than me because of all the

470
00:26:17.200 --> 00:26:20.440
<v Speaker 1>help that he's had along the way, right, And that's

471
00:26:20.519 --> 00:26:24.640
<v Speaker 1>kind of where it's like anything right now that's going

472
00:26:24.680 --> 00:26:29.079
<v Speaker 1>on with the modern technology and the AI. It's racing.

473
00:26:29.359 --> 00:26:33.440
<v Speaker 1>It's racing, right, and if you don't kind of keep up,

474
00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:36.960
<v Speaker 1>you're going to be lost along the way. Right.

475
00:26:38.240 --> 00:26:43.160
<v Speaker 2>So, when your hockey career was sort of ending, and

476
00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:44.680
<v Speaker 2>then when I look at your hand and when you

477
00:26:44.720 --> 00:26:49.319
<v Speaker 2>started cashing tournaments, there's quite a gap between those years.

478
00:26:49.880 --> 00:26:51.759
<v Speaker 2>Was there a moment in time of like figuring out

479
00:26:51.799 --> 00:26:53.400
<v Speaker 2>what do I want to do next? Were you already

480
00:26:53.440 --> 00:26:56.039
<v Speaker 2>playing cards back in the hockey days, thinking of, like

481
00:26:56.079 --> 00:26:58.759
<v Speaker 2>this could be something I can do in the future.

482
00:26:59.359 --> 00:27:01.440
<v Speaker 2>How did you How did you go through life in

483
00:27:01.519 --> 00:27:02.440
<v Speaker 2>that sort of in between.

484
00:27:03.160 --> 00:27:06.880
<v Speaker 1>Well, I quit hockey prematurely. My mom passed of cancer

485
00:27:06.920 --> 00:27:09.319
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen ninety nine, and I kind of lost the

486
00:27:09.359 --> 00:27:11.720
<v Speaker 1>passion and the drive to train every day and go away,

487
00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:16.640
<v Speaker 1>and so I kind of just suddenly retired. I could

488
00:27:16.680 --> 00:27:18.680
<v Speaker 1>have played easily, like I was nowhere near the end

489
00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:21.680
<v Speaker 1>of my career from a skill or physical standpoint, I

490
00:27:21.799 --> 00:27:24.400
<v Speaker 1>just you know, lost the was like okay, and I

491
00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:26.400
<v Speaker 1>loved poker, and yes, we played on the back of

492
00:27:26.440 --> 00:27:28.599
<v Speaker 1>the buses and you had long bus trips or even

493
00:27:28.599 --> 00:27:30.920
<v Speaker 1>if we're flying, we play on the like we loved

494
00:27:31.000 --> 00:27:34.400
<v Speaker 1>to play. You know, wasn't always Texas hold them, might

495
00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:36.400
<v Speaker 1>have been in Chicago or what you name it, right,

496
00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:38.799
<v Speaker 1>it's the high speed in the hole. We just we

497
00:27:38.960 --> 00:27:40.839
<v Speaker 1>love to play. And then so in the summertimes, I'd

498
00:27:40.839 --> 00:27:44.680
<v Speaker 1>always drive down with my buddy and play one to

499
00:27:44.720 --> 00:27:48.440
<v Speaker 1>five stud and and and then literally when I retired,

500
00:27:48.599 --> 00:27:50.799
<v Speaker 1>I was like, well, what am I going to do here?

501
00:27:50.799 --> 00:27:54.160
<v Speaker 1>And I started on ground zero, I mean literally playing

502
00:27:54.279 --> 00:27:58.319
<v Speaker 1>five to five limit hold them, five, ten limit, hold them, ten,

503
00:27:58.400 --> 00:28:01.720
<v Speaker 1>twenty limit, hold them. Gavin Smith used to see me

504
00:28:01.720 --> 00:28:04.359
<v Speaker 1>in Vegas. I'd play twenty forty, real comfortable, and he'd

505
00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:05.960
<v Speaker 1>be like, hey, hockey pot, when do you step up

506
00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:07.960
<v Speaker 1>to the to the big leagues here and play little

507
00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:10.319
<v Speaker 1>thirty sixty forty eighty. I'm MG, no, no, no, I'm good,

508
00:28:10.359 --> 00:28:12.799
<v Speaker 1>and I can't always have the discipline and the money management.

509
00:28:13.119 --> 00:28:15.000
<v Speaker 1>He'd be like, what are you scared to play with us?

510
00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:16.880
<v Speaker 1>And sure enough he'd get me up there and I'd

511
00:28:16.880 --> 00:28:21.359
<v Speaker 1>get whacked, and you know, back to the twenty forty

512
00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:25.240
<v Speaker 1>and then okay, could beat to thirty sixty. Now take

513
00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:26.920
<v Speaker 1>a shot in the one hundred two hundred limit and

514
00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:30.680
<v Speaker 1>get whacked, and you know, go home, regroup and you know,

515
00:28:31.079 --> 00:28:33.920
<v Speaker 1>run up and then switch over to no limit go

516
00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:36.359
<v Speaker 1>into the tournaments. And so yeah, by the time I

517
00:28:36.359 --> 00:28:39.200
<v Speaker 1>got into tournament poker, I mean it was I had

518
00:28:39.200 --> 00:28:43.000
<v Speaker 1>been playing a long time cash games, but it took

519
00:28:43.000 --> 00:28:46.240
<v Speaker 1>a minute from from my first hand in mob let's say,

520
00:28:46.480 --> 00:28:49.599
<v Speaker 1>between you know, the days of hockey and the end

521
00:28:49.640 --> 00:28:52.519
<v Speaker 1>in model. And also I loved it. It didn't matter what

522
00:28:52.599 --> 00:28:54.119
<v Speaker 1>I was playing, you know, whe there was no limit

523
00:28:54.839 --> 00:28:58.880
<v Speaker 1>limit tournaments, I just sometimes would check in at the

524
00:28:58.920 --> 00:29:02.039
<v Speaker 1>Commerce hotel on a Friday and I wouldn't have my

525
00:29:02.079 --> 00:29:05.279
<v Speaker 1>bags unpacked until a Monday, because you know, I'd need

526
00:29:05.279 --> 00:29:07.200
<v Speaker 1>a new underwear every day and a new shirt every day.

527
00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:09.119
<v Speaker 1>And I didn't care what was in my suitcase or

528
00:29:09.160 --> 00:29:11.640
<v Speaker 1>hung up. I just couldn't wait to play. And it's

529
00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:14.960
<v Speaker 1>quite the opposite now where you know, I guess I

530
00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:16.319
<v Speaker 1>got to go sign up for this. I get a

531
00:29:16.319 --> 00:29:20.839
<v Speaker 1>phone call, Hey, you want to go golf. Yeah.

532
00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:22.839
<v Speaker 2>It is cool to see that you've made sort of

533
00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:27.680
<v Speaker 2>that grind work from the ground up, and especially doing

534
00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:31.039
<v Speaker 2>it in live games playing much lower volume, having to

535
00:29:31.079 --> 00:29:33.920
<v Speaker 2>basically be there, you know, be present the whole time.

536
00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:37.920
<v Speaker 2>Playing one table is definitely something that not many people

537
00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:40.599
<v Speaker 2>can say that they've made it work, starting from there

538
00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:43.799
<v Speaker 2>and then making it making it even to play tournaments

539
00:29:43.799 --> 00:29:46.480
<v Speaker 2>on the regular, which of course those buyings are massive.

540
00:29:46.519 --> 00:29:50.000
<v Speaker 2>When you add up the tally of one summer, it's

541
00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:53.079
<v Speaker 2>so much money that's at stake. But then you start

542
00:29:53.119 --> 00:29:56.039
<v Speaker 2>having some success in tournaments, and then specifically you have

543
00:29:56.119 --> 00:29:58.920
<v Speaker 2>a run at the WSOP in O seven where you

544
00:29:58.920 --> 00:30:01.519
<v Speaker 2>finished second and the five a mixed limit no limit,

545
00:30:01.559 --> 00:30:03.920
<v Speaker 2>and I find it really funny because you are like

546
00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:06.240
<v Speaker 2>the mixed limit no limit guy, you know, like limit

547
00:30:06.279 --> 00:30:09.240
<v Speaker 2>hold them is ultimately what became those bracelets in the

548
00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:11.160
<v Speaker 2>in the in the years after, and then your first

549
00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:14.880
<v Speaker 2>heads up is limit no limit Mix. How much do

550
00:30:14.920 --> 00:30:19.599
<v Speaker 2>you remember from that run and how perhaps uh disappointed

551
00:30:19.759 --> 00:30:22.319
<v Speaker 2>or proud were you of that run?

552
00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:25.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I was, I remember, mister smokey, I believe won

553
00:30:25.720 --> 00:30:28.319
<v Speaker 1>that one. Steve bill a Rack is very tough player.

554
00:30:28.440 --> 00:30:33.000
<v Speaker 1>And I remember because on breaks I was running to

555
00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:35.319
<v Speaker 1>the Mandalay Bay because Sean Buchanan was heads up in

556
00:30:35.359 --> 00:30:39.200
<v Speaker 1>the WPT when we had a dinner break and I

557
00:30:39.200 --> 00:30:40.920
<v Speaker 1>was going back and forth and he ended up we

558
00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:43.799
<v Speaker 1>were rooming together and he ended up winning the ten

559
00:30:43.880 --> 00:30:47.279
<v Speaker 1>k mandle a ba WPT and I came second. And

560
00:30:47.359 --> 00:30:51.400
<v Speaker 1>I remember, like you'd think two roomies just came first

561
00:30:51.400 --> 00:30:53.799
<v Speaker 1>and second. I mean it was going to be a party.

562
00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:57.279
<v Speaker 1>You'd think that, you know, certain establishments, the money would

563
00:30:57.279 --> 00:31:00.880
<v Speaker 1>be flying around at and I I remember talking to

564
00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:03.519
<v Speaker 1>my dad and I was in quite a melancholy mood,

565
00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:05.920
<v Speaker 1>if you can believe it. He didn't understand it. I

566
00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:08.519
<v Speaker 1>think I won three hundred and fifty thousand for second place,

567
00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:12.680
<v Speaker 1>and you know he can't. My dad worked so hard,

568
00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:16.079
<v Speaker 1>my parents, you know, in the restaurant and they to

569
00:31:16.160 --> 00:31:18.960
<v Speaker 1>hit a score like that and to not be ecstatic,

570
00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:21.359
<v Speaker 1>like he didn't really understand. And what the truth was.

571
00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:24.079
<v Speaker 1>I came in second. I wanted that bracelet so bad.

572
00:31:24.160 --> 00:31:27.160
<v Speaker 1>And instead of Bucky and I going all was celebrating.

573
00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:30.480
<v Speaker 1>We went home at dinner and like we crashed kind of,

574
00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:33.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, there was no I mean, he was excited

575
00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:35.160
<v Speaker 1>to play another tournament the next day at the series,

576
00:31:35.200 --> 00:31:38.400
<v Speaker 1>and that's kind of what we did. But it second

577
00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:42.279
<v Speaker 1>place wasn't Yes, three days a week, whatever days go

578
00:31:42.359 --> 00:31:44.759
<v Speaker 1>by and you realize, hey, that's quite the financial score

579
00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:47.880
<v Speaker 1>that I just made. But in the moment being a competitor.

580
00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:52.440
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't excited about a second place finish. I was

581
00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:57.519
<v Speaker 1>quite upset to not went in. And I was up

582
00:31:57.559 --> 00:31:59.319
<v Speaker 1>against the killer at the time too. I think it

583
00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:00.920
<v Speaker 1>was he was the young to ever win a race

584
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:03.240
<v Speaker 1>at at the time, but he was a very tough player.

585
00:32:03.279 --> 00:32:08.440
<v Speaker 1>And you know, obviously I realized how like like that

586
00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:11.279
<v Speaker 1>it was a great accomplishment afterwards, but in that moment,

587
00:32:11.880 --> 00:32:14.559
<v Speaker 1>the bitterness of not winning was too much.

588
00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:18.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you're also competitor at heart, so it would

589
00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:21.839
<v Speaker 2>almost be weird for you to be satisfied by being

590
00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:24.400
<v Speaker 2>the first loser, which is kind of what that second

591
00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:25.519
<v Speaker 2>place could mean, right.

592
00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:28.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I tell everybody, I say, the crazy thing is,

593
00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:30.279
<v Speaker 1>no matter how deep your run is in this main,

594
00:32:31.279 --> 00:32:33.119
<v Speaker 1>there's only one guy that's going to be happy. Like,

595
00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:35.720
<v Speaker 1>give it two weeks, and you know, second place will

596
00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:37.599
<v Speaker 1>be like I just made six million, Third place will

597
00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:39.880
<v Speaker 1>be I just made four million. Ye, you'll be happy,

598
00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:41.880
<v Speaker 1>You'll be okay, You're gonna have no sympathy and no

599
00:32:41.960 --> 00:32:45.359
<v Speaker 1>pity parties. But in the moment, there's only gonna be

600
00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:48.839
<v Speaker 1>one one happy guy in the moment out of ninety

601
00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:52.000
<v Speaker 1>two and eight. And I stand by that even now

602
00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:54.880
<v Speaker 1>that we're down to nine and it's been an amazing

603
00:32:54.880 --> 00:32:57.200
<v Speaker 1>accomplishment and to get there and the fun I've had

604
00:32:57.200 --> 00:32:59.359
<v Speaker 1>along the way, the support, I mean, that's the part

605
00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:02.039
<v Speaker 1>that is the biggest win of all, just to realize,

606
00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:04.880
<v Speaker 1>oh my goodness, geez, I'm really lucky. I have so

607
00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:09.079
<v Speaker 1>much friends and family genuinely wholehearted rooting for me, whether

608
00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:11.000
<v Speaker 1>they're in the poker world, not in the poker world,

609
00:33:11.119 --> 00:33:13.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, hockey world, high school buddies, like it's been

610
00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:17.519
<v Speaker 1>like that in itself is the biggest win of all,

611
00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:19.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, if you really step and think about it,

612
00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:23.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, and which has been so humbling and so

613
00:33:24.279 --> 00:33:31.480
<v Speaker 1>like emotionally gratifying and stuff, but not being said. Once

614
00:33:31.519 --> 00:33:37.599
<v Speaker 1>I'm in combat anything except winning, it is going to

615
00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:40.960
<v Speaker 1>be at some point a letdown, you know, and just

616
00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:43.799
<v Speaker 1>the way it goes when you're in a competition, unfortunately.

617
00:33:44.440 --> 00:33:46.799
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think it's also the reason why you've

618
00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:50.559
<v Speaker 2>had a long career is because you strive to win,

619
00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:54.240
<v Speaker 2>which in poker is one of the key components because

620
00:33:54.319 --> 00:33:56.839
<v Speaker 2>once you don't care about winning anymore, as you mentioned earlier,

621
00:33:57.160 --> 00:34:00.400
<v Speaker 2>once once that sort of zest leaves the room, then

622
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:03.240
<v Speaker 2>it's hard to gear up for, you know, as you mentioned,

623
00:34:03.279 --> 00:34:05.759
<v Speaker 2>you know, laid regging with ten bigs and just tossing

624
00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:08.639
<v Speaker 2>it in there because you didn't care anymore.

625
00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:11.119
<v Speaker 1>And I don't. And I think it's and I think

626
00:34:11.119 --> 00:34:14.519
<v Speaker 1>that's true for all professions, or all hobbies or all

627
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:19.519
<v Speaker 1>anything that you do. If you don't enjoy it, your

628
00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:23.000
<v Speaker 1>your your work is going to be subpar and of story.

629
00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:27.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then you get one more second place before

630
00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:29.199
<v Speaker 2>you win your first place. At in eight you finished

631
00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:32.639
<v Speaker 2>second in a shootout, and then in nine, which by

632
00:34:32.679 --> 00:34:35.480
<v Speaker 2>the way, was my first World Series. I was twenty

633
00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:39.000
<v Speaker 2>one in nine, and I'll never forget this because I

634
00:34:39.039 --> 00:34:40.760
<v Speaker 2>was there when you won. I was there when you

635
00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:42.039
<v Speaker 2>won your first, and I was there when you won

636
00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:45.679
<v Speaker 2>your second. I think, if I recall correctly, at the time,

637
00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:47.599
<v Speaker 2>there was a lot of buzz like, oh, Greg Mueller,

638
00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:49.360
<v Speaker 2>he's one of those guys, one of the top players

639
00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:51.280
<v Speaker 2>who doesn't have a bracelet. And you had two second

640
00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:53.599
<v Speaker 2>places and that was sort of going around and you

641
00:34:53.719 --> 00:34:56.119
<v Speaker 2>like you had to close it out, and then you

642
00:34:56.239 --> 00:34:59.800
<v Speaker 2>win the first one, and then you almost immediately win

643
00:34:59.840 --> 00:35:02.840
<v Speaker 2>the second one right after beating the Dutch player Mark

644
00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:05.360
<v Speaker 2>Nolden heads up, who was also known as a limit player.

645
00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:08.199
<v Speaker 2>Dead must must have been the rush of a lifetime

646
00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:08.679
<v Speaker 2>that week.

647
00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:11.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I mean the ten K that I won.

648
00:35:11.679 --> 00:35:14.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, when I look back on it, the amount

649
00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:17.559
<v Speaker 1>of killers that were at that table. You know, Mark

650
00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:21.239
<v Speaker 1>Haas tv F was his online name. I don't even

651
00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:21.880
<v Speaker 1>remember his.

652
00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:25.159
<v Speaker 2>Name, Carolina Carolina, and.

653
00:35:25.159 --> 00:35:29.360
<v Speaker 1>Matt Glantz I believe was at the final table, Pat Pesan,

654
00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:37.360
<v Speaker 1>Chad Brown, Chad Brown the Love Chad Brown, and uh

655
00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:39.719
<v Speaker 1>maybe Mark Kleekan might have been at that one or

656
00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:40.559
<v Speaker 1>was he a different one?

657
00:35:40.599 --> 00:35:42.440
<v Speaker 2>And it was it was It was a mad glance

658
00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:46.159
<v Speaker 2>glance Brumblehouse, the Dutch.

659
00:35:46.039 --> 00:35:48.519
<v Speaker 1>Guy, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, And and I mean it

660
00:35:48.639 --> 00:35:50.800
<v Speaker 1>was a it was it was. It was a who's

661
00:35:50.800 --> 00:35:53.760
<v Speaker 1>who of the limit killers, right, so yeah, it was

662
00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:55.559
<v Speaker 1>very special, and like you said, to win the to

663
00:35:55.599 --> 00:36:00.119
<v Speaker 1>win the next one right after confidence, it's a funny thing.

664
00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:05.519
<v Speaker 1>You know, you're feeling the high and you're just zigging

665
00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:07.320
<v Speaker 1>when you're supposed to be and you're zagging when you're

666
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:11.840
<v Speaker 1>supposed to be and like, you know, two races in

667
00:36:11.880 --> 00:36:14.800
<v Speaker 1>a week, it was just like what is going on here?

668
00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:18.440
<v Speaker 1>You know? And that being said, the high right now

669
00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:22.679
<v Speaker 1>is higher than it was then. I mean, it was

670
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:25.039
<v Speaker 1>so long ago, it's hard to it's hard to say

671
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:28.920
<v Speaker 1>for sure, but I still think that the accomplishment or

672
00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:31.679
<v Speaker 1>the rush or the you know, to make the final

673
00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:35.679
<v Speaker 1>nine of this is I just I think it's tougher.

674
00:36:35.840 --> 00:36:39.039
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's pretty close, but it's it's certainly more recent.

675
00:36:39.079 --> 00:36:39.920
<v Speaker 1>So I'm going to go with.

676
00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:43.119
<v Speaker 2>That that that's really that's really awesome to hear that

677
00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:47.840
<v Speaker 2>you have this experience now that's already trumping what happens

678
00:36:48.800 --> 00:36:51.840
<v Speaker 2>fifteen years ago, and in a way it is only

679
00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:55.880
<v Speaker 2>just begun because making the final table the main to me,

680
00:36:56.039 --> 00:36:59.400
<v Speaker 2>almost feels like you've won, you've won the satellite and

681
00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:01.880
<v Speaker 2>now you get invited back to play the tournament.

682
00:37:02.360 --> 00:37:05.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, true, that's very true. No, And I tell

683
00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:12.679
<v Speaker 1>people like like final table ESPN people flying out, it's great,

684
00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:17.239
<v Speaker 1>million bucks. I mean it's great, it's amazing, it's it's

685
00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:22.760
<v Speaker 1>more than amazing. But ten million and being the champ

686
00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:27.599
<v Speaker 1>quite a difference. You know, it's financially, it's not like

687
00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:31.039
<v Speaker 1>it's one versus one point five or it's nine versus ten.

688
00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:35.639
<v Speaker 1>One in ten million, that's in the real world and

689
00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:46.360
<v Speaker 1>absolute incredible, insane difference. So as as well as I

690
00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:50.079
<v Speaker 1>have done in this event this year, I do still

691
00:37:50.119 --> 00:37:53.440
<v Speaker 1>have so much work to do, which is sounds insane,

692
00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:55.760
<v Speaker 1>but it's you know, it's true.

693
00:37:55.960 --> 00:37:59.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And the finances of the life as a poker

694
00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:03.599
<v Speaker 2>pro always fascinated me because we see the cases, and

695
00:38:03.639 --> 00:38:05.920
<v Speaker 2>we see the winnings and we see the winner photos,

696
00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:08.320
<v Speaker 2>but we don't see the lows. We don't see the

697
00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:11.039
<v Speaker 2>long walk to the parking lot. We don't see this like,

698
00:38:11.079 --> 00:38:13.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, the slumped shoulders in the in the elevator

699
00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:17.400
<v Speaker 2>after a losing cash session. What has that been like

700
00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:19.400
<v Speaker 2>for you over the years, What have the ups and

701
00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:21.719
<v Speaker 2>downs been like? And how does how much does this

702
00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:25.840
<v Speaker 2>contrast against you know, your career or perhaps recent years.

703
00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:34.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's that's very very good question. I mean, the

704
00:38:34.280 --> 00:38:38.360
<v Speaker 1>glamorous successes of reaching a final table or winning a

705
00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:41.599
<v Speaker 1>bracelet or I mean, there is no high or high

706
00:38:41.679 --> 00:38:46.079
<v Speaker 1>in the in the pocal world, but the lows of

707
00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:51.440
<v Speaker 1>running bad, thinking you're running bad, and playing bad, actually

708
00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:55.440
<v Speaker 1>running bad, actually playing bad, regardless of how you're playing.

709
00:38:55.880 --> 00:39:00.880
<v Speaker 1>Just constantly find yourself talking to yourself. You find yourself.

710
00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:04.199
<v Speaker 1>You know, you've quit Kings against Queens with one card

711
00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:06.440
<v Speaker 1>to come, and you just know the Queen's coming. It's

712
00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:09.280
<v Speaker 1>just like and there it is, and it's just another jolt,

713
00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:12.679
<v Speaker 1>and you just you know the equity you just got

714
00:39:13.199 --> 00:39:17.480
<v Speaker 1>robbed of. As you're walking yourself and talking to yourself

715
00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:20.199
<v Speaker 1>and it's like anybody that will listen, you just have

716
00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:23.239
<v Speaker 1>the need to tell them. Nobody cares. They all got

717
00:39:23.239 --> 00:39:26.440
<v Speaker 1>their own things going on, and and yeah, it's h

718
00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:31.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, I've heard a lot of good players. I

719
00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:35.000
<v Speaker 1>mean I heard Scott Seaver had no cashes through forty

720
00:39:35.039 --> 00:39:37.119
<v Speaker 1>events or one cash or something. I mean, look at

721
00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:40.159
<v Speaker 1>the guys. The hell of a player. You know, he's

722
00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:43.280
<v Speaker 1>one of the game's greatest. And it just shows you

723
00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:47.599
<v Speaker 1>how brutal variance can be. And when you're on the

724
00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:50.079
<v Speaker 1>wrong side. That's why the thing is, you can never

725
00:39:50.119 --> 00:39:56.599
<v Speaker 1>be too arrogant or cocky when you're riding the wave

726
00:39:56.719 --> 00:39:59.840
<v Speaker 1>because you can snap so fast. And being on the

727
00:39:59.840 --> 00:40:04.639
<v Speaker 1>other side just sucks so much in this industry and

728
00:40:05.559 --> 00:40:13.599
<v Speaker 1>the financial disasters, the the confidence being gone, the pain

729
00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:17.119
<v Speaker 1>that you're in as you continue to lose, whether you're

730
00:40:17.119 --> 00:40:21.920
<v Speaker 1>on a ten percent favorite, a ninety percent favorite, a

731
00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:24.960
<v Speaker 1>coin flip. When you're on the wrong side, of variants

732
00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:27.639
<v Speaker 1>and there there's just no stopping. It's just not like

733
00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:29.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, you see a Roulett wheel. I have buddies

734
00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:32.599
<v Speaker 1>that aren't gamblers and they they see a relet, they

735
00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:34.159
<v Speaker 1>go to Vegas. They tell me, oh, I saw like

736
00:40:34.280 --> 00:40:38.639
<v Speaker 1>fourteen reds in a row, so I met black. The

737
00:40:38.719 --> 00:40:41.760
<v Speaker 1>rolette doesn't have a brain, and it's not supposed to

738
00:40:41.800 --> 00:40:46.480
<v Speaker 1>become black because it went fourteen reds and it's it

739
00:40:46.519 --> 00:40:49.159
<v Speaker 1>could be fifty reds. It's just, you know, variance is

740
00:40:49.159 --> 00:40:51.760
<v Speaker 1>a is a funny thing. And when you're on the

741
00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:54.239
<v Speaker 1>you never want to kick someone that's struggling, and you

742
00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:58.679
<v Speaker 1>never want to act too good when you're rolling, because

743
00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:02.639
<v Speaker 1>being on the right side of aarons there's no better feeling,

744
00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:05.719
<v Speaker 1>and being on the wrong side of it is the worst.

745
00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:09.639
<v Speaker 1>When you're talking about being involved in poker, you know.

746
00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:12.519
<v Speaker 2>So when you when you were telling me these stories,

747
00:41:12.639 --> 00:41:15.360
<v Speaker 2>there must be things flashing through your mind of moments

748
00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:19.039
<v Speaker 2>where things weren't going your way, or perhaps years or

749
00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:22.039
<v Speaker 2>stretches or summers where you know you were sort of

750
00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:24.440
<v Speaker 2>banging your head against the wall. Are there specific moments

751
00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:27.480
<v Speaker 2>that come to mind where you maybe weren't sure that

752
00:41:27.639 --> 00:41:30.360
<v Speaker 2>you know you could keep doing this or even wanting

753
00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:30.760
<v Speaker 2>to do this.

754
00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:36.719
<v Speaker 1>Oh. I was first time I had got an airbnb

755
00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:41.400
<v Speaker 1>with another poker buddy and it was three summers ago.

756
00:41:42.320 --> 00:41:44.519
<v Speaker 1>It didn't matter what I played. It didn't matter what

757
00:41:44.599 --> 00:41:48.760
<v Speaker 1>I played. I couldn't win. And I truly thought, I

758
00:41:48.920 --> 00:41:50.960
<v Speaker 1>like to look myself in the mirror first instead of

759
00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:53.679
<v Speaker 1>just blaming the bad luck. And I was. I was like,

760
00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:55.880
<v Speaker 1>I think the game's passed me by, Like I just

761
00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:59.400
<v Speaker 1>I can't. I mean, you know, i'd ask other players

762
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:01.760
<v Speaker 1>played it greats just he just ran bad. I'm like,

763
00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:04.400
<v Speaker 1>but can I can I always play great and run

764
00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:06.880
<v Speaker 1>bad and or play it right and run bad. It

765
00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:11.079
<v Speaker 1>just didn't matter. I lost that summer. I lost, you know,

766
00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:14.880
<v Speaker 1>at every variation of poker that you could be like,

767
00:42:14.920 --> 00:42:18.360
<v Speaker 1>we're doing flips. I'm losing. Let's play OFC Chinese poker.

768
00:42:18.400 --> 00:42:21.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm losing tournaments. Screw it, I'm going to play a tournament.

769
00:42:21.239 --> 00:42:24.119
<v Speaker 1>I'd lose. Play a cash game, I'd lose. And it

770
00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:27.119
<v Speaker 1>didn't matter whether it was a bad beat or it wasn't.

771
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:31.360
<v Speaker 1>It just I found myself taking days off sitting at

772
00:42:31.400 --> 00:42:35.840
<v Speaker 1>the pool like it was. It's very challenging on the

773
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:38.920
<v Speaker 1>brain to where I was like, what, like that was

774
00:42:38.960 --> 00:42:42.119
<v Speaker 1>the time I actually really was wanting to leave early

775
00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:44.599
<v Speaker 1>because it was like, there's just no point. And a

776
00:42:44.639 --> 00:42:47.199
<v Speaker 1>part of me was, you know, did the game just

777
00:42:47.239 --> 00:42:49.440
<v Speaker 1>pass me? You know, I try to be realistic and

778
00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:52.960
<v Speaker 1>I know that I ran really poorly, but a part

779
00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:55.559
<v Speaker 1>of me was like that the game passing by, and

780
00:42:55.599 --> 00:42:59.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, and and a poker buddy, Adam Freedman, you know,

781
00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:02.960
<v Speaker 1>he told me like, I don't mean to be disrespectful,

782
00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:06.280
<v Speaker 1>but you've ran bad. And you know he witnessed it.

783
00:43:06.320 --> 00:43:10.559
<v Speaker 1>You've ran really bad all summer. That's two months of

784
00:43:10.679 --> 00:43:14.039
<v Speaker 1>condensed poker condensed, right, So two months at the series

785
00:43:14.119 --> 00:43:17.760
<v Speaker 1>is more like almost like a year because you're playing

786
00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:22.119
<v Speaker 1>so many hours and so intense. Right, he goes, your

787
00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:27.440
<v Speaker 1>streak is not that long, and it could go for

788
00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:31.039
<v Speaker 1>two more summers, you know, And that's the brutal reality

789
00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:37.199
<v Speaker 1>is that it can. But on the flip side, you

790
00:43:37.239 --> 00:43:40.079
<v Speaker 1>win two bracelets in a week, well, you're obviously running

791
00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:42.920
<v Speaker 1>quite well to do that. You're not just you don't

792
00:43:42.920 --> 00:43:46.119
<v Speaker 1>go from genius to you know, more on like it's

793
00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:50.639
<v Speaker 1>and that's the thing that if you can play within

794
00:43:50.679 --> 00:43:53.199
<v Speaker 1>your means, if you can play within a bank roll.

795
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:56.320
<v Speaker 1>If you can grasp the highs and lows and not

796
00:43:56.360 --> 00:43:58.559
<v Speaker 1>be married to poker where that's the only thing that's

797
00:43:58.559 --> 00:44:03.719
<v Speaker 1>going to give you validation in life, then you'll get

798
00:44:03.719 --> 00:44:09.800
<v Speaker 1>through it, you know, whether it's nieces and nephews, friends, families, hobbies,

799
00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:14.000
<v Speaker 1>other successes, other things. The more you got going out,

800
00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:17.079
<v Speaker 1>the more you have going on outside the table, off

801
00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:22.119
<v Speaker 1>the felt, the more you can handle the downswings. I believe.

802
00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:28.079
<v Speaker 2>It's a testament to I guess, persistence and discipline and

803
00:44:28.760 --> 00:44:31.199
<v Speaker 2>perhaps being you know, hardheaded enough to keep on pushing

804
00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:33.840
<v Speaker 2>forward for you to now be in this spot. So

805
00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:38.760
<v Speaker 2>year round when you're none of the wsop, do you

806
00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:41.320
<v Speaker 2>still go out there and play? Do you make trips

807
00:44:41.360 --> 00:44:43.440
<v Speaker 2>to go play cash like? How do you? How do

808
00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:45.719
<v Speaker 2>you perhaps you know, stay on the stay is stay

809
00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:48.960
<v Speaker 2>like keep the rust off, or perhaps you know, just

810
00:44:48.960 --> 00:44:51.360
<v Speaker 2>just a flexial poker muscle a little bit.

811
00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:55.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's I mean, you know, every second December I'll

812
00:44:55.079 --> 00:44:56.599
<v Speaker 1>head out to the wind for a week. It's the

813
00:44:56.760 --> 00:44:59.000
<v Speaker 1>vibe in Vegas is always really good before Christmas. It's

814
00:44:59.079 --> 00:45:01.440
<v Speaker 1>kind of like everyone one gets away from the family

815
00:45:01.480 --> 00:45:04.480
<v Speaker 1>to be a DJN for one more week before gambling

816
00:45:04.519 --> 00:45:06.400
<v Speaker 1>gets shut off for four days and it's you know,

817
00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:10.199
<v Speaker 1>strictly family and presents and dinners and you know everyone.

818
00:45:10.880 --> 00:45:12.920
<v Speaker 1>The vibe has always been amazing. They used to have that.

819
00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:14.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it was the Festa logo or

820
00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:16.679
<v Speaker 1>if it was the There was a tournament at the

821
00:45:16.679 --> 00:45:18.360
<v Speaker 1>Bolagio right before Christmas.

822
00:45:18.400 --> 00:45:21.360
<v Speaker 2>I finally diamond part of me, five diamond.

823
00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:23.800
<v Speaker 1>Five dimies. Yeah, that's the one. And everyone was always

824
00:45:23.800 --> 00:45:26.440
<v Speaker 1>in a you know, Jack ran that ran some good tournament.

825
00:45:26.440 --> 00:45:28.960
<v Speaker 1>Sarah McClellan, rest in Peace, Jack and he had the

826
00:45:29.679 --> 00:45:33.159
<v Speaker 1>twelve o'clock start till like eight forty five, no dinner breaks,

827
00:45:33.199 --> 00:45:35.880
<v Speaker 1>just you know, five levels and you're not done too

828
00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:38.039
<v Speaker 1>late and go for dinner, and you're not starting too early.

829
00:45:38.079 --> 00:45:41.280
<v Speaker 1>You go for some drinks. And the vibe in December

830
00:45:41.440 --> 00:45:45.320
<v Speaker 1>was always amazing. And so sometimes now I found myself

831
00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:49.840
<v Speaker 1>going to the Win every second year and playing little cash,

832
00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:51.760
<v Speaker 1>going to I went to YouTube the one year at

833
00:45:51.760 --> 00:45:54.000
<v Speaker 1>the Severere and go to a football game, a couple

834
00:45:54.039 --> 00:45:56.480
<v Speaker 1>of hockey games, play a bit of poker, you know.

835
00:45:56.719 --> 00:45:59.840
<v Speaker 1>But other than trips like that, and again we're talking

836
00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:03.280
<v Speaker 1>years years before I would go to the commerce, and

837
00:46:03.599 --> 00:46:06.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, be in the commerce all of January and

838
00:46:06.199 --> 00:46:09.039
<v Speaker 1>February and then in Vegas March and eight or like,

839
00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:15.239
<v Speaker 1>things are way different. You know. I'm literally not touching

840
00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:17.239
<v Speaker 1>a hand. I play like some I like to play

841
00:46:17.239 --> 00:46:20.559
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of OFC online, a Chinese poker while

842
00:46:20.559 --> 00:46:23.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm having my breakfast or whatever. But other than that,

843
00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:26.119
<v Speaker 1>I find myself not playing a hand for ten and

844
00:46:26.159 --> 00:46:29.440
<v Speaker 1>a half months. And I'm golfing, I'm playing hockey, I'm

845
00:46:29.480 --> 00:46:32.519
<v Speaker 1>working out, I'm in my hot tub, I'm seeing I'm

846
00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:34.880
<v Speaker 1>going for walks, seeing my family, seeing my friends, and

847
00:46:35.159 --> 00:46:37.760
<v Speaker 1>going to sporting events. I love doing that, you know,

848
00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:40.920
<v Speaker 1>And that's that's what I do. So when you said,

849
00:46:41.360 --> 00:46:44.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, how do I stay? I feel like if

850
00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:47.320
<v Speaker 1>I have a good headspace, excuse me, that's enough to

851
00:46:48.920 --> 00:46:51.000
<v Speaker 1>for me to show up and not be behind the

852
00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:52.800
<v Speaker 1>eight ball, like or not rusty.

853
00:46:53.800 --> 00:46:57.039
<v Speaker 2>It sounds like you're literally living living every man's dream.

854
00:46:57.599 --> 00:46:59.679
<v Speaker 2>You go to Vegas, Vegas once a year to gamble

855
00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:02.079
<v Speaker 2>and play some cards, You go to sporting events, play

856
00:47:02.119 --> 00:47:05.039
<v Speaker 2>some golf. This really sounds like you you have life

857
00:47:05.079 --> 00:47:06.840
<v Speaker 2>figured out. I mean this, too many people is like

858
00:47:06.880 --> 00:47:09.400
<v Speaker 2>the recipe for for how how how to live to

859
00:47:09.400 --> 00:47:10.079
<v Speaker 2>be an old man.

860
00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:19.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's uh yeah, I mean I don't disagree. And

861
00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:21.039
<v Speaker 1>and I was even getting sick of the month and

862
00:47:21.079 --> 00:47:22.960
<v Speaker 1>a half that I was in Vegas because of the

863
00:47:23.400 --> 00:47:26.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, the grind, the taxing on the body, the

864
00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:30.079
<v Speaker 1>lack of sleep. You know, It's funny. People will will

865
00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:33.280
<v Speaker 1>know how I'm doing in the cash games, not based

866
00:47:33.280 --> 00:47:35.440
<v Speaker 1>on my chips, not based on my demeanor, because my

867
00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:38.519
<v Speaker 1>demeanor is usually pretty good, but based on what I'm eating.

868
00:47:38.920 --> 00:47:41.159
<v Speaker 1>And and if they see me there the walk up

869
00:47:41.320 --> 00:47:43.639
<v Speaker 1>FP oh oh, I'll let you be FBT. I'm like, no, no,

870
00:47:43.639 --> 00:47:45.880
<v Speaker 1>it's all good. I know you're struggling today. You got

871
00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:48.639
<v Speaker 1>a giant bowl of ice cream whipped cream cookies going on,

872
00:47:48.920 --> 00:47:51.000
<v Speaker 1>so they know, you know, I'm in one and that's

873
00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:54.199
<v Speaker 1>my my coping mechanism. Or they'll see me they'll be

874
00:47:54.280 --> 00:47:56.679
<v Speaker 1>like crushing it today. I'll be like, what do you mean?

875
00:47:56.719 --> 00:47:59.079
<v Speaker 1>I don't even have many chips on the table. They're like, yeah,

876
00:47:59.079 --> 00:48:01.880
<v Speaker 1>you're eating grilled chicken and breast with you know, broccoli

877
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:04.960
<v Speaker 1>and and and they're not wrong. You know, when you're

878
00:48:05.079 --> 00:48:07.239
<v Speaker 1>when you're winning and everything's good, the chips are nicely

879
00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:09.320
<v Speaker 1>in order and yes, I'll get the steam broccoli and

880
00:48:09.320 --> 00:48:12.000
<v Speaker 1>the chicken breast. And you know, four am, I can't

881
00:48:12.039 --> 00:48:14.559
<v Speaker 1>win a single hand. Bring the ice cream, bring extra

882
00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:17.840
<v Speaker 1>whipped cream, and you know, and anyway, so it's it's

883
00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:22.760
<v Speaker 1>taxing on the body mentally, physically and even you know,

884
00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:25.800
<v Speaker 1>even and that's the thing, like like you said, me

885
00:48:26.320 --> 00:48:29.119
<v Speaker 1>not having an alarm clock at home, me me getting

886
00:48:29.400 --> 00:48:34.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm very fortunate, I know, the like the I'm dialed

887
00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:36.800
<v Speaker 1>into the golf course that I play at and I

888
00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:38.920
<v Speaker 1>get the prime tea times which are like eleven or

889
00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:42.000
<v Speaker 1>noon tea off, so I can wake up, have breakfast,

890
00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:44.960
<v Speaker 1>have a hot tub, stretch, head to the golf course.

891
00:48:46.239 --> 00:48:47.960
<v Speaker 1>You know, we gamble it up a bit out there,

892
00:48:48.800 --> 00:48:51.440
<v Speaker 1>walk at the exercise, go up top for the nineteenth

893
00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:53.480
<v Speaker 1>tole have a glass of wine or two, come back

894
00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:58.079
<v Speaker 1>and you know, the next day it's hockey on the agenda.

895
00:48:58.119 --> 00:49:00.800
<v Speaker 1>And you know, so so having that, like you said

896
00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:03.639
<v Speaker 1>that Cushy figured out lifestyle. Now to go and sit

897
00:49:03.679 --> 00:49:05.280
<v Speaker 1>in the trenches for a month and a half of

898
00:49:05.360 --> 00:49:09.320
<v Speaker 1>no sleep and getting buried and losing you know, bet

899
00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:11.960
<v Speaker 1>in sports and doing all the rest of it, it's

900
00:49:12.039 --> 00:49:16.000
<v Speaker 1>mentally taxing it's physically taxing. And so that's why I

901
00:49:16.119 --> 00:49:19.360
<v Speaker 1>was starting to have the you know, the doubts of why,

902
00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:22.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, especially if I'm losing. You know, it's one thing,

903
00:49:22.239 --> 00:49:25.960
<v Speaker 1>it's one thing, and people people think that poker happiness

904
00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:27.960
<v Speaker 1>is all based on winning and losing, and it is

905
00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:30.760
<v Speaker 1>for a lot of people. And of course, if I'm

906
00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:32.920
<v Speaker 1>winning every single day, it's going to be a lot

907
00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:36.039
<v Speaker 1>easier than if you're losing every day. I mean obviously,

908
00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:39.880
<v Speaker 1>but it's not even so much that it's just it's

909
00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:44.719
<v Speaker 1>just not really into the grind of you know. Now

910
00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:47.719
<v Speaker 1>now it's my current state of mind, it's probably a

911
00:49:47.719 --> 00:49:52.199
<v Speaker 1>little bit different, you know, you know right now. Yeah poker,

912
00:49:52.239 --> 00:49:55.199
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, poker like it's the best. You know. But

913
00:49:55.239 --> 00:50:02.719
<v Speaker 1>that's that's the the uh oxymoron or the the ying

914
00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:06.000
<v Speaker 1>and the yang about it is that, you know, it

915
00:50:06.039 --> 00:50:08.400
<v Speaker 1>can be the high of all highs and the low

916
00:50:08.440 --> 00:50:11.159
<v Speaker 1>of all lows. And that's what makes these tournaments so

917
00:50:11.199 --> 00:50:15.960
<v Speaker 1>amazing as you can have any gender, any race, any

918
00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:21.800
<v Speaker 1>age come in and believe they can win, and they can.

919
00:50:22.159 --> 00:50:24.440
<v Speaker 1>You know, that's the you know, a running race. If

920
00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:27.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to go do a sprint with somebody that's faster.

921
00:50:27.480 --> 00:50:29.400
<v Speaker 1>We can go one hundred times. Unless he rolls his ankle,

922
00:50:29.400 --> 00:50:32.320
<v Speaker 1>he's gonna beat me a hundred times. But if we

923
00:50:32.360 --> 00:50:35.719
<v Speaker 1>play little heads up poker games, anybody can win, right,

924
00:50:35.800 --> 00:50:37.960
<v Speaker 1>So that's the that's the beauty of poker.

925
00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:42.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm really worried though, that whatever place you land on

926
00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:46.440
<v Speaker 2>at the final table, we will never see you again.

927
00:50:46.920 --> 00:50:49.239
<v Speaker 2>You are going to be like, I've done it now,

928
00:50:49.280 --> 00:50:51.639
<v Speaker 2>I've made the final table of the Main. However, many

929
00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:55.000
<v Speaker 2>millions you go home with is enough to buy infinite

930
00:50:55.079 --> 00:50:57.159
<v Speaker 2>rounds of golf and lots of ice cream, and we'll

931
00:50:57.239 --> 00:50:58.199
<v Speaker 2>never see Greg again.

932
00:50:59.519 --> 00:51:02.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm I mean, it's not It's not the most

933
00:51:03.559 --> 00:51:07.320
<v Speaker 1>unrealistic thought for sure, But I think, you know, especially

934
00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:11.199
<v Speaker 1>if I won the Main, I would I would come in,

935
00:51:11.320 --> 00:51:16.639
<v Speaker 1>especially for some bigger events. You know, I might. I might.

936
00:51:16.679 --> 00:51:18.679
<v Speaker 1>I might take a shot in the real big cash game,

937
00:51:19.639 --> 00:51:22.679
<v Speaker 1>you know three three K, six K for fun, or

938
00:51:23.079 --> 00:51:24.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'd come in and play the PPC. I

939
00:51:24.840 --> 00:51:27.239
<v Speaker 1>always enjoy playing that one. I did not play it

940
00:51:27.280 --> 00:51:31.119
<v Speaker 1>this year, just wasn't feeling it, but that I would

941
00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:32.880
<v Speaker 1>always come in and play that one, and you know

942
00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:35.960
<v Speaker 1>I'd come back and play the main and probably the

943
00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:38.239
<v Speaker 1>ten k Nolan a single draw like I love that one.

944
00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:40.199
<v Speaker 1>Didn't play it again this year, so I didn't play

945
00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:42.719
<v Speaker 1>this one or the PBC this year. And you know

946
00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:45.480
<v Speaker 1>last year, I think I came in seventh or eight.

947
00:51:45.639 --> 00:51:48.119
<v Speaker 1>Nick Shulman busted me and it ultimately ended up winning.

948
00:51:48.559 --> 00:51:52.559
<v Speaker 1>That's a Those are fun events for me because when

949
00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:55.000
<v Speaker 1>you're sitting at the table, you know everybody, you're doing

950
00:51:55.039 --> 00:51:58.360
<v Speaker 1>almost prop bets on the side, you're chatting. It's not

951
00:51:58.519 --> 00:52:02.440
<v Speaker 1>this stiff energy of course WIETNSS tanking for forty seconds,

952
00:52:03.639 --> 00:52:06.960
<v Speaker 1>picking your hand out and dropping the chips. In these tournaments,

953
00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:09.800
<v Speaker 1>everybody knows each other, so you're it's just like a

954
00:52:09.800 --> 00:52:14.199
<v Speaker 1>bunch of guys sitting together bullshitting. And so those events

955
00:52:14.199 --> 00:52:17.679
<v Speaker 1>are fun for me, you know, versus walking into a

956
00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:22.159
<v Speaker 1>room with ten thousand people. Everybody's got their earbuds in,

957
00:52:24.199 --> 00:52:29.840
<v Speaker 1>nobody's talking, everybody's tanking, polarizing their calls and folds, and

958
00:52:30.639 --> 00:52:34.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, so I think win or lose, I think,

959
00:52:34.760 --> 00:52:38.519
<v Speaker 1>you know, those types of events, especially if I win more,

960
00:52:39.119 --> 00:52:42.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, to fly in and enter the fifty k,

961
00:52:42.159 --> 00:52:44.159
<v Speaker 1>you know the way Blesnik does, just comes in and

962
00:52:44.639 --> 00:52:47.199
<v Speaker 1>has a jolly good old time. Whether he wins or loses.

963
00:52:48.079 --> 00:52:51.719
<v Speaker 1>That would I can see myself doing that, But I

964
00:52:51.800 --> 00:52:53.920
<v Speaker 1>certainly wouldn't if I won the main event, I would

965
00:52:53.960 --> 00:52:57.559
<v Speaker 1>not be there for two months grinding the cash games

966
00:52:57.599 --> 00:52:59.920
<v Speaker 1>and the fifteen hundreds. No, that would not happen.

967
00:53:01.000 --> 00:53:02.519
<v Speaker 2>I got a few more small ones before I let

968
00:53:02.559 --> 00:53:04.880
<v Speaker 2>you go. It's already been super fun and insightful to

969
00:53:04.880 --> 00:53:09.440
<v Speaker 2>hear hear your perspective on all these things. What kind

970
00:53:09.480 --> 00:53:12.840
<v Speaker 2>of experience do you want to take away from the

971
00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:16.079
<v Speaker 2>final table itself? What are you looking for as far

972
00:53:16.159 --> 00:53:20.239
<v Speaker 2>as you know, soaking it all in or perhaps purely

973
00:53:21.199 --> 00:53:24.960
<v Speaker 2>focused and driven on performance or one thing I've heard

974
00:53:25.000 --> 00:53:27.119
<v Speaker 2>you talk about is you know you've got tons of friends,

975
00:53:27.159 --> 00:53:31.000
<v Speaker 2>hockey buddies, whoever else coming to town, and you know,

976
00:53:31.079 --> 00:53:33.760
<v Speaker 2>experiencing this with friends and family. How do you how

977
00:53:33.800 --> 00:53:34.400
<v Speaker 2>do you look at that?

978
00:53:36.320 --> 00:53:41.320
<v Speaker 1>Crazy enough? I see like, I know it's me playing,

979
00:53:41.360 --> 00:53:44.880
<v Speaker 1>but I almost see it like a team atmosphere, and

980
00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:46.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to let the team down kind of,

981
00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:50.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, like in hockey, like I've mentioned many times,

982
00:53:50.440 --> 00:53:51.920
<v Speaker 1>if a guy gives you a cheap shot, you want

983
00:53:51.960 --> 00:53:53.960
<v Speaker 1>to just punch him in the face or take a

984
00:53:53.960 --> 00:53:55.639
<v Speaker 1>stick to me, you can't do that because you take

985
00:53:55.639 --> 00:53:58.519
<v Speaker 1>a penalty, right, and then you're you're hurting your team. Well,

986
00:53:59.719 --> 00:54:01.679
<v Speaker 1>I get that this is not a team game and

987
00:54:01.719 --> 00:54:06.239
<v Speaker 1>it's an individual game, and I know this, but it's

988
00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:08.800
<v Speaker 1>kind of been like a ride with you know, the

989
00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:12.199
<v Speaker 1>local poker league. Is there's a group chat that I'm

990
00:54:12.199 --> 00:54:13.840
<v Speaker 1>in even though I'm not part of their league, and

991
00:54:14.079 --> 00:54:16.440
<v Speaker 1>they're all behind me, and then there's the hockey buddies

992
00:54:16.519 --> 00:54:19.119
<v Speaker 1>behind me, and then there's poker. But and I just

993
00:54:19.199 --> 00:54:23.079
<v Speaker 1>kind of feel like, you know, like I I want

994
00:54:23.079 --> 00:54:25.280
<v Speaker 1>to I want I want the team to win kind of,

995
00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:30.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, And so I don't I don't know if

996
00:54:30.039 --> 00:54:32.960
<v Speaker 1>I have the expectations. I don't know if I know

997
00:54:33.079 --> 00:54:35.760
<v Speaker 1>what I'm going to expect. I mean, I'm sure I'll

998
00:54:35.760 --> 00:54:39.360
<v Speaker 1>have all the nerves of excitement, of competitive juices flowing,

999
00:54:39.519 --> 00:54:48.079
<v Speaker 1>probably some nerves, you know. It's it's it's an unbelievable opportunity.

1000
00:54:48.320 --> 00:54:53.559
<v Speaker 1>The experience will be amazing. I hope I run really

1001
00:54:53.599 --> 00:54:57.800
<v Speaker 1>good and and and play well and give myself a

1002
00:54:57.920 --> 00:54:58.559
<v Speaker 1>chance to win.

1003
00:54:58.880 --> 00:55:01.239
<v Speaker 2>And I mean, I that's all I can do, really,

1004
00:55:02.440 --> 00:55:05.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I couldn't think of a better response to

1005
00:55:05.360 --> 00:55:07.599
<v Speaker 2>to close this one out with Greg. Thank you so

1006
00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:10.199
<v Speaker 2>much for your time. It's been great hearing from you.

1007
00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:13.360
<v Speaker 2>I'll see, I'll see in a couple of days, I'm

1008
00:55:13.400 --> 00:55:15.320
<v Speaker 2>gonna bring out a scale to make sure you lost

1009
00:55:15.320 --> 00:55:16.199
<v Speaker 2>those twenty LB's.

1010
00:55:16.840 --> 00:55:19.320
<v Speaker 1>It won't be twenty, but it'll be over ten and

1011
00:55:20.159 --> 00:55:22.679
<v Speaker 1>feeling a lot better and I can leave the tombs

1012
00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:23.039
<v Speaker 1>at home.

1013
00:55:23.519 --> 00:55:25.320
<v Speaker 2>Good see there we go. Yeah, we've got the We'll

1014
00:55:25.320 --> 00:55:27.719
<v Speaker 2>got the steam, broccoli and chicken waiting waiting for you

1015
00:55:28.119 --> 00:55:31.480
<v Speaker 2>to stay locked in for a couple of days. Once again, Greg,

1016
00:55:31.519 --> 00:55:33.639
<v Speaker 2>thank you so much for people watching at home. This

1017
00:55:33.760 --> 00:55:36.199
<v Speaker 2>was face DA's leave a comment like the video and

1018
00:55:36.519 --> 00:55:39.599
<v Speaker 2>the hat was not an homage to some Safari. This

1019
00:55:39.679 --> 00:55:41.840
<v Speaker 2>one was really bright here in the office that I'm

1020
00:55:41.880 --> 00:55:44.000
<v Speaker 2>recording in. Thank you guys all so much. We have

1021
00:55:44.079 --> 00:55:46.840
<v Speaker 2>more episodes coming every week of face Das. If you

1022
00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:49.480
<v Speaker 2>scrapped to the channel, you'll see all those hitting your feet.

1023
00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:52.840
<v Speaker 2>For now, let's let's rulee Greg on at the final table.

1024
00:55:52.880 --> 00:55:57.079
<v Speaker 2>I believe action kicks off on Monday and then three days, Greg,

1025
00:55:57.119 --> 00:55:59.280
<v Speaker 2>that's all it is, three days to win ten million bucks.

1026
00:55:59.719 --> 00:56:03.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it's going to be three hard days

1027
00:56:03.119 --> 00:56:05.639
<v Speaker 1>and uh yeah, I'm really looking forward to it, and

1028
00:56:05.800 --> 00:56:08.840
<v Speaker 1>uh yeah, thanks thanks for Uncle always. Like you said,

1029
00:56:08.840 --> 00:56:11.679
<v Speaker 1>we go back a long time. And I've never seen

1030
00:56:11.719 --> 00:56:14.360
<v Speaker 1>you and not smiled no matter what my state, my

1031
00:56:14.400 --> 00:56:17.119
<v Speaker 1>mental state is in in that moment, whenever I see you,

1032
00:56:17.159 --> 00:56:19.960
<v Speaker 1>whether it's twice a summer, once a summer, twenty times

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<v Speaker 1>a summer, I see you, it's always, uh, fantastic energy

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<v Speaker 1>that you exude, and then it's easy to smile around you,

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<v Speaker 1>so