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is The Daily Mess. We all have questions. Do we

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just assume the Daily Mess? We work it out only

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Enjoy your exploration. Hi Errow, Hey, how are you doing today?

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Speaker 2: I'm great? How are you?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely fantastic. We've got to start with the book cover

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because I am a book snob and it's not because

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of my eyes or my ambition to always go into

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brand new books, but my fingertips tell a story, and

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because what you have designed on this cover. First of all,

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yes it is kind of glossy, but it is so soft,

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I mean and when I'm reading and I need that

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sense of comfort which I have to have reading this book.

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The thing is is that you give that to me

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as a reader, to where I can just there and

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use my fingers to calm my imagination down.

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Speaker 2: That is the single best description of a book cover

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I have ever heard. I'm going to try to memorize that.

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Thank you. I think it's a gorgeous cover. Ye. I

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think it evokes, you know, it peases at what's in

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the book. I think, you know, there's the mailbox down

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in one corner, and there's the illuminated window in the

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other corner, and I think it makes you wonder what's

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going on in that house.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're absolutely right about that, because I don't know

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how many times I've stared at this house. And then

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when I drive through my own forest here and I

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see houses like this, I'm going, oh, my god, never

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was in this neighborhood. I know she was. That's the house.

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Speaker 2: That's hilarious. You know, someone actually asked me, two people

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ask me, is that the house in the movie Home Alone?

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I was like, I have no idea, but that would

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be funny.

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Speaker 1: I like the way that you build your characters because

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it sounds like somebody that we know, or you're saying, hey, look,

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I want you guys to meet this. I think you're

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going to like them. You may not, but you're but

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this is the person, this is their personality. Have fun

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with them if you can.

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Speaker 2: That is again very well said. We meet the heroine

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when she's a teenager and her name is Ingrid, and

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a terrible thing happens to her one night at a

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Halloween party. She's a victim of an assault which she

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cannot remember and that will come back to haunt her

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the rest of her life. And then we see her

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again as a grown up woman. She's changed her name

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to Vivica. She's recreated her whole life. She's been an actress.

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Now she's a mom living in a suburb in Greenwich, Connecticut,

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with a beautiful little boy and a handsome husband, and

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her life seems absolutely perfect. But she's holding on a

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little too tightly to that perfection, and of course it's

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going to come undone.

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Speaker 1: Now, Darrel, you're an actor. I'm in radio, so therefore

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I'm an actor as well. You know, this book hits

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us very closely as creative people, because we tend to

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do that, we hide behind fake names like Aero versus

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who I really am, and then to go into areas

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where you don't think people know you, and then all

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of a sudden, uh oh, something has cracked in my foundation.

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Speaker 2: Right. I think it's something that a lot of people

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do to varying degrees, But I do think that those

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of us who have thought out the performing arts. There

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is a presentational side that we can put forward.

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Speaker 1: You know, did you have a doctor with you at

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all times? Because this is more than a psychological thriller,

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because this is something that you had to experience before

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we did. And there's no way that I can believe

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that you didn't feel it before we did. And that's

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why I love it when authors can open up their

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creative souls that way.

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Speaker 2: Well, it is raw, and you're absolutely right, there's an

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opening of that happens when you sit down at the

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page and you just have to go into this other space.

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And I will tell you that's a lot of the

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reason I did not write novels when I was raising

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my young children. That switch from being a mom and

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being with my kids and appropriately focusing on their lives.

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I was unable to carve out the large slabs of

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time that I require to go somewhere else in my

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head every day.

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Speaker 1: It's so funny you say that, because I just did

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a big thing on iHeartRadio today saying that is there

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such a thing as creativity being an addiction? Because people

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don't understand what it is that we do as writers,

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because when we disappear, it's not that we don't love you.

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We just have to go into this other world for

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a moment. But trust me, we're coming.

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Speaker 2: Back right right. And someone was asking me last night

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at a book event, is it's hard to come back

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at night from writing such dark stuff? And it is

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not hard for me now. When I was very young

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and I played a very disturbed character on the soap

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opera All My Children, it was much harder for me then.

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I don't know if it was a factor of my youth,

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my inexperience, maybe more of an emotional neediness that I

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had as a young person. It was much harder to separate.

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Maybe it's because I'm a I'm a woman of a

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certain age, a grown up lady with a real life.

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I can go in and out of the writing space.

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Speaker 1: Now hold that thought, There is more to that coming

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right up with Deborah good Rich Rooye, the name of

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the book best Boy. We are back with author Deborah

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good Rich Rooye.

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Speaker 2: It was much harder to separate. Maybe it's because I'm

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a I'm a woman of a certain age, a grown

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up lady with the real life. I can go in

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and out of the writing space.

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Speaker 1: Now Now, is that because you're you journal about it,

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or you do what I do, which is called defragging.

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When I go into a dark spot and I need

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to come back, I'll ask the questions and then question

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the answers.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I love that. What do you call that?

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Speaker 1: I call it defragging.

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Speaker 2: I love that, ask the questions and question the answers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because we're we're always asking people what should I do?

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What should I do? How should I do this? And so?

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What I do on dfrag is I'll sit there and

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I'll say, they're not wearing your shoes. Why are you

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asking them? Ask yourself.

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Speaker 2: I think I do that in my own way, and

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I think it took a very long time. I think

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there are so many people, young people who feel like

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they have to do everything all at once. You know,

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life is so short, and I have to have the

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career and the children and the this and the that,

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and life can be short. But if you're lucky, and

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I feel very lucky, life can also be long. And

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we can have chapters. And I like this chapter now

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very much because I do think I'm better able to

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ask those questions and question those answers and look at

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what matters.

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Speaker 1: How did the idea of that door come into being.

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by that is is that on your personal life is

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where we're going to go. Because you've got an open

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door here with your writer's retreat. How did that door

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appear in your heart so that you could open it

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up for other people to understand You're not weird, You're

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very normal, but let's do something with your normal weirdness.

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Speaker 2: So I was on book tour for my third book.

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My mother was very sick and approaching in a way

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I probably didn't fully understand the end of your life.

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I was feeling very tapped out, and I was feeling

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I needed this quiet space to write. And there are

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a lot of writing retreats where writers go and they

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have to give talks and workshops and mentoring, and those

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are fabulous. I didn't want that kind of a writer's retreat.

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I wanted a writing retreat, just writing. So I got

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together with two other authors, Lounne Rice and Amy Shide,

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and we started brainstorming for a little while about what

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would that mean, and we came up with a format

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of this five day retreat with four solid days of writing.

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Breakfast is delivered, lunch is delivered, you're in your room

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writing for twelve hours a day, and it is a

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chunk of time in which things can change, but it's

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a chunk of time that you can give. We wanted

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a chunk of time that people would say, yes, I

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deserve that I can give myself that amount of time,

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and we didn't feel we could do that with a

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month or even two weeks. And I think we were

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right about it, and we did it up in the

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Catskills and we're doing it still at the Deer Mountain Inn,

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which I have an inn because I'm in at the

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inn because my husband and I own it.

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Speaker 1: Oh Man, that was our.

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Speaker 2: Inn, and so we were able to really formulate what

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this thing should be. So it's a group of like

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minded people at similar stages in their careers, getting together

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every night for a glass of wine at a beautiful dinner,

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but having time all alone every day. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: God, I love where your heart is. Where can people

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go to find out more about that? As well as

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the book and everything else that you've done, Deborah, because

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you've opened up your life to be that person that

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we run to when we want to escape.

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Speaker 2: I'm very active on Instagram. That's my primary social and

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It's Deborah Goodrich Rooice Official, and I have a gorgeous website,

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Deborah Goodrich Voice dot com. What I have on my

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website beautiful book club kits. So if anybody in a

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book club wants to read one of my books, the

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book club kits are stunning and they have playlists and

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cocktails and all sorts of things.

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Speaker 1: Wow, ten minutes with you is not enough. You've got

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to come back to this show anytime in the future.

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Speaker 2: Deborah, thank you so much. I'd love that.

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Speaker 1: Will you'd be brilliant today. Okay, I'm going to try