1 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:05,599 Speaker 1: What's going on? 2 00:00:05,759 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to this podcast. It 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,080 is heard live every day from noon to three on 4 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:11,919 WBT Radio and Charlotte. 5 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:14,039 Speaker 1: And if you want exclusive. 6 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 2: Content like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, my 7 00:00:16,879 --> 00:00:19,239 daily show prep with all the links, become a patron, 8 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,600 go to dpeteclendershow dot com. Make sure you hit the 9 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,160 subscribe button. Get every episode for free right to your 10 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,719 smartphone or tablet. And again, thank you so much for 11 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:32,000 your support. As we always do on Monday's, well mostly always, 12 00:00:32,359 --> 00:00:35,119 we chat with Ap Dylan. She is a reporter for 13 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,560 the North State Journal at sjonline dot com. She's also 14 00:00:39,039 --> 00:00:41,719 the publisher of a substack newsletter you can get that. 15 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,079 I highly recommend it. It's called more to the Story, Ap. 16 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:46,119 How are you today? 17 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 3: I'm doing okay. How are you doing? 18 00:00:48,719 --> 00:00:50,359 Speaker 1: I'm doing okay as well. 19 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 2: So today is the legislator's coming back, right today? 20 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: Is it all right? 21 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 2: So we already got a half the press release here 22 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:06,439 from the Speaker of the House, Destin Hall. The headline 23 00:01:06,439 --> 00:01:11,480 on this is called Legislative Leaders unveil criminal justice reforms 24 00:01:11,599 --> 00:01:16,599 following the murder of Arena Zarutzka in Charlotte, and so 25 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:18,560 They've got a lot of things going on here, So 26 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,879 what are the I guess what are the highlights of 27 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,120 this this proposal that jump out at you. 28 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,719 Speaker 3: Well, they're calling it arena of law for one thing, 29 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:32,359 and for another thing, it's going to sort of rejigger 30 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:36,680 what they consider to be violent offenses that would require 31 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,599 a judge or magister to impose certain conditions for pre 32 00:01:39,719 --> 00:01:44,760 jaw release. So like a first time offender, their only 33 00:01:44,799 --> 00:01:48,079 options are secured bond or house arrests with electronic monitoring. 34 00:01:48,159 --> 00:01:51,799 For second offense or any subsequent event, the only option 35 00:01:51,879 --> 00:01:56,200 would be secured bond and house arrests with electronic monitor you. 36 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: Know, like both. 37 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:01,519 Speaker 3: Right, So it's they also have to start considering, you know, 38 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:03,319 when someone's brought before them, they have to look at 39 00:02:03,319 --> 00:02:05,239 their history too and consider that in fact of that 40 00:02:05,319 --> 00:02:07,159 in before they decide they're going to let them go, 41 00:02:08,719 --> 00:02:11,719 which in the case of Arena Zariska, it would have been, 42 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,400 you know, a no brainer. The guy had been arrested 43 00:02:14,479 --> 00:02:15,840 over fourteen times. 44 00:02:15,879 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 2: Right and had already like exhibited these these schizophrenic episodes. 45 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:25,960 In fact, that was why he was most recently in 46 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,879 front of the judge because of the nine to one 47 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:31,919 one the misuse of the nine one one call. 48 00:02:32,599 --> 00:02:38,319 Speaker 3: Yes, and specific to Zerusa's case, this thing also the 49 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,919 spell awfully is going to make it a capital selony 50 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,759 if the victim is killed using public transportation will be 51 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,599 considered an aggravating factor where they can seek death penalty. 52 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:53,240 And that leads to another provision in there, which isn't 53 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:57,599 going to let the courts let death penalty appeal fit 54 00:02:57,759 --> 00:02:58,719 quote indefinitely. 55 00:02:59,039 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 56 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 3: There, he says they must be heard within two years 57 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,919 of finally, and continuances will not be granted unless the 58 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:10,039 judge finds extenuating circumstances. So I expect that's going to 59 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:11,039 that's a big change. 60 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, And if this thing gets passed into law, I 61 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:17,159 expect that to be litigated, yep, because I mean, we 62 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,560 have the death penalty in North Carolina, but we effectively 63 00:03:20,599 --> 00:03:23,919 don't have the death penalty any longer because everything's just 64 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:25,159 been sitting, right. 65 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 3: It's just been sitting or pardons, right, Yeah, as we 66 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:34,039 saw with outgoing Governor Racooper. The bill also is going 67 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,080 to let the chief Justice of the Supreme Court, that 68 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:41,159 would be for the chief just district Court judge to 69 00:03:41,479 --> 00:03:46,560 initiate quote suspension proceedings from magistrates, which again ties right 70 00:03:46,599 --> 00:03:49,919 back to the case in Charlotte, because apparently the magistrate 71 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:54,039 who you know, just let this guy walk, it's just 72 00:03:54,159 --> 00:03:59,479 killer walk, basically didn't have any kind of relevant background 73 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:00,919 for her being a magistrate. 74 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 2: Right, So there's that issue, you know, And that's one 75 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,560 of the things that people are amazed to find out, 76 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:13,280 is the lack of credentials, if you will, which look, 77 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,680 I don't even know if you know, like requiring people 78 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,000 to be lawyers to become magistrates. I don't even know 79 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,120 if that fixes the problem, because there's a whole bunch 80 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,839 of radical lefties that are lawyers, and if they get 81 00:04:24,879 --> 00:04:27,399 into these positions, they'll just keep doing the same thing. 82 00:04:27,959 --> 00:04:29,720 This is really the problem, is that you have an 83 00:04:29,759 --> 00:04:36,079 ideology that animates so many people in the justice system, 84 00:04:36,439 --> 00:04:41,680 and so you can't get at the problems because you 85 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:46,279 can't construct sort of, you know, a series of laws 86 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,560 unless you're going to take the matter completely out of 87 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:53,600 these officials' hands and say this is now required, like 88 00:04:53,639 --> 00:04:55,759 somebody comes in front of you and this is what 89 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,639 you have to do. Unless you get that specific with 90 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,800 every single charge, in which case, then do you even 91 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,680 need the magistrates, you know, right, I mean. 92 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 3: If the research is going to be done anyway, it 93 00:05:06,199 --> 00:05:08,519 could just go right before the judge at that point. 94 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:14,639 There is money in this thing too. It directs one 95 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:18,439 million for a North Carolina collaborate, for the North Carolinic 96 00:05:18,519 --> 00:05:23,319 Collaboratory to study mental health and the justice system, alternative 97 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:27,800 execution methods, house arrests, stuff, that kind of thing, and 98 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:31,000 they want reports on those due in twenty twenty six 99 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,800 and again in twenty twenty seven. And then it has 100 00:05:33,879 --> 00:05:37,399 money in their two million in recurring and non recurring funds. 101 00:05:37,399 --> 00:05:41,560 The mixture there for ten additional assistant district attorneys and 102 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,560 five legal assistants for Mecklensburg County's Judicial District twenty six, 103 00:05:46,319 --> 00:05:49,160 which and honestly money would be retroactive to July one, 104 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:50,680 so they can hire them now. 105 00:05:51,199 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 2: Right, And honestly, it's about time, like it's it's seriously, he's. 106 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:59,079 Speaker 3: In there that the bill rescinds the Governor's Task Force 107 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:00,959 for Racial Equity Criminal Justice. 108 00:06:01,959 --> 00:06:02,199 Speaker 1: Yeah. 109 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:06,759 Speaker 2: Well, also it's about yes, which like that would like 110 00:06:06,879 --> 00:06:10,000 And honestly, that's that's already it's already been the part 111 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:14,000 of some Republican campaign adds against Roy Cooper, and I 112 00:06:14,079 --> 00:06:17,120 expect it will continue to be so in light of this, 113 00:06:17,199 --> 00:06:20,160 and I think, you know, the murder of Arena Zarutzka 114 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,720 followed by the murder of Charlie Kirk, created this moment 115 00:06:24,199 --> 00:06:28,240 where sort of like people have been you know, people 116 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,399 have been awakened to what's going on, and it's like, 117 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:33,879 this is this is not acceptable any longer. What is 118 00:06:33,959 --> 00:06:36,480 what has become of this country? What has become of 119 00:06:36,519 --> 00:06:41,000 our society. They've watched the responses from people, and this 120 00:06:41,199 --> 00:06:43,319 is the I think the pendulum starting to swing the 121 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:44,040 other direction. 122 00:06:45,439 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so too. I think so too that. 123 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,079 I think that, you know, people are at the point 124 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,759 now where they're being told, oh, but crime is down, 125 00:06:53,959 --> 00:06:56,279 so don't believe you're lying eyes you know, when you're 126 00:06:56,319 --> 00:06:58,879 being ripped off, when you're getting carjacked, or your house 127 00:06:58,959 --> 00:07:01,879 is broken into her you know, someone's murdered on a train. 128 00:07:02,959 --> 00:07:05,319 I think that I think we're there, you know, whether 129 00:07:05,399 --> 00:07:08,160 or not the numbers actually bear that out. People do 130 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:09,959 not feel safe right well. 131 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,319 Speaker 1: I mean, look just what last week. 132 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 2: I think Thursday afternoon during lunchtime in uptown outside or 133 00:07:18,079 --> 00:07:20,839 it's the fight started inside of a restaurant and then 134 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,000 went out into the latt of arcade area, this little 135 00:07:23,519 --> 00:07:28,120 alleyway of restaurant. Yeah, and just a guy just murders 136 00:07:28,279 --> 00:07:31,360 somebody right there on the sidewalk in the middle of 137 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,160 the lunch rush. And yeah, so like, you can talk 138 00:07:34,199 --> 00:07:36,759 about crime stats being down, but when you've got yet 139 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:40,079 another murder and then this comes on the heels of 140 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,560 the four year old who was you know, murdered during 141 00:07:42,879 --> 00:07:47,639 a four guys running around stealing cars in various counties 142 00:07:47,639 --> 00:07:50,199 and shoot at a town home and kill a four 143 00:07:50,279 --> 00:07:50,639 year old. 144 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: It's like and and every one. 145 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:57,199 Speaker 2: Of these, uh, all the suspects, they've got rap sheets 146 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,920 that go back years, and people are like, we're just 147 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:01,160 we're sick and tired of it. 148 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:02,199 Speaker 1: This has got to stop. 149 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 2: It's a small percentage of people committing the vast majority 150 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:05,439 of these crimes. 151 00:08:05,639 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: You know who these people are. 152 00:08:07,439 --> 00:08:09,879 Speaker 2: And for some reason, we have again officials that just 153 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,079 keep letting people back out onto the street with low 154 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,680 bond or no bond, And it's just and people are 155 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:20,360 just fed up with it, I think, And maybe the 156 00:08:20,399 --> 00:08:24,040 governor will sort of read the room and sign some 157 00:08:24,079 --> 00:08:26,519 of this stuff into law, but I don't know. It's 158 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,439 Josh Stein so we'll see. Well, I mentioned Charlie Kirk there. 159 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:33,519 You wrote up a couple of things on Charlie Kirk 160 00:08:33,639 --> 00:08:35,639 and the response and some of the actions that have 161 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,720 taken place. You've got a quick hit that you put 162 00:08:38,799 --> 00:08:41,759 up on your sub stack about this resolution that was 163 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,279 up at the US House of Representative So what happened 164 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:44,720 up there? 165 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was last week. It was a resolution I 166 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,720 think Nancy Mays might have put it for, but don't 167 00:08:51,759 --> 00:08:53,080 quote me on that one. I'd have to go back 168 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:54,919 and look, actually I don't think it was, sorry now 169 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,600 that I'm thinking about it, but it was a resolution 170 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:59,399 that was supposed to honor the life with Charlie Kirk, 171 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:04,519 but also can m his assassination. And ninety five of 172 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:08,519 the two hundred and fifteen Congressional Democrats voted yes. So 173 00:09:08,519 --> 00:09:11,519 some voted yes. Yeah, that's good, but the remainder fifty 174 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,039 eight voted no, thirty eight voted president, and twenty two 175 00:09:14,039 --> 00:09:17,279 didn't vote at all. So I mean you might as 176 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:18,639 well count the voted president as. 177 00:09:18,639 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: Nos, right, but without the courage to vote. 178 00:09:21,159 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 3: Now, the majority of the Democrats voted it down. It 179 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:30,639 did pass anyway, but there were some interesting reactions to 180 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:34,399 that Congressman Mark Harris here from North Carolina wrote on 181 00:09:34,519 --> 00:09:37,080 exit less than half of the Democratic caucus voted to 182 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:41,279 honor Charlie Kirk and condemned political violence disgraceful. So that 183 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,840 got me thinking, all right, well, who in North Carolina 184 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,240 House members? How did they vote? So I looked at 185 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,240 the Democrats and then Reholicans. All were voted yes, of course, 186 00:09:50,399 --> 00:09:55,679 and the North Carolina Democrat congressional members Don Davis and 187 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,519 NCO one and Debora Ross and NC two they both 188 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:02,559 voted yes. Valerie Fushi and NCO four voted no, and 189 00:10:02,639 --> 00:10:06,360 Alma Adams and NC twelve voted president president. Yeah, oh 190 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:07,159 there's your answer. 191 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. 192 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:12,399 Speaker 2: Well, and I've heard people drawing parallels to the assassination 193 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,840 of the was it the Minnesota Speaker of the House, 194 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,559 Melissa Hortman I think was her name, and you know, 195 00:10:18,639 --> 00:10:22,000 oh where were you know Republicans outrage over this when 196 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,840 in fact they did pass a resolution condemning her death. 197 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 3: And yeah, every single Republican voted for it. 198 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:29,759 Speaker 1: Right, and it was unanimous. 199 00:10:30,159 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 3: Yeah right, But I mean it's not really even the 200 00:10:32,279 --> 00:10:35,559 same thing. No, it's an elective official, this is a 201 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:37,879 this is a young man. You know, he's thirty one 202 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,519 years old whose whole job was going out debating people. 203 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, it's uh. And then there finally there's 204 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:48,080 the story out of unc Wilmington, another rock story, another 205 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:53,840 spirit rock that has a message commemorating Charlie Kirk and 206 00:10:53,919 --> 00:10:57,519 this is uh, this is too much for radical lefties 207 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:01,240 on campus, and so they have have to deface it, right. 208 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,519 Speaker 3: Yeah, they defaced it with blue paint less than twenty 209 00:11:05,519 --> 00:11:07,559 four hours. Then since it was put up, and there's 210 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:09,799 sort of a loose policy in place at UNCW that 211 00:11:09,799 --> 00:11:11,759 you're not supposed to paint over a spirit rock within 212 00:11:11,799 --> 00:11:15,200 twenty four hours of being painted, and normally somebody puts 213 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,559 the day and time on when they painted it so 214 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,840 that someone knows not to paint over it. Well, that 215 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,360 wasn't good enough, and a young woman led the charge. 216 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:23,799 Her name was. 217 00:11:24,039 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 2: Let's see Sophia'szambrano, Zophiazambrano. 218 00:11:28,039 --> 00:11:31,279 Speaker 3: She's a dean scholar at the University of North Carolina Womanton, 219 00:11:31,279 --> 00:11:34,440 which means she's guiding money to go there. Nice and 220 00:11:34,519 --> 00:11:37,440 she said that she was going to be famous, I know, sorry, 221 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,679 she's going to be iconic for doing this, and that 222 00:11:39,759 --> 00:11:41,840 her friends in Chapel Hill would be so proud of her. 223 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,240 And that wasn't the last time it was painted over, though. 224 00:11:45,279 --> 00:11:48,120 It was painted over at least twice after that, and 225 00:11:48,399 --> 00:11:51,440 just most recently, I saw yesterday evening that it had 226 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:56,320 been posted, you know, painted over again. UNCBOG member Woody 227 00:11:56,399 --> 00:12:00,360 White had posted on X pictures of the rock painted 228 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:05,240 black with Antifa messages and a Saintanic cult them blot. 229 00:12:05,399 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: Hmmm, so you know, subtle, very subtle. 230 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, this back and forth with the rock, 231 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,279 it's just it's just awful. Yeah, you know. They they 232 00:12:15,399 --> 00:12:18,240 painted it over again after she did it like blue 233 00:12:19,039 --> 00:12:22,639 with the big words that's the no empathy and another 234 00:12:22,799 --> 00:12:24,639 and a bunch of stickers on there that said Trump 235 00:12:24,759 --> 00:12:26,519 is a trader and f bomb Trump. 236 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 2: M hm, well there's there's also on the no empathy 237 00:12:29,759 --> 00:12:32,000 version f Kirk as well. 238 00:12:32,279 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah. 239 00:12:34,639 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 2: So this is the the Party of love and kindness 240 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,600 and tolerance. There's no hate in this house for whatever. 241 00:12:41,279 --> 00:12:42,919 Speaker 3: Well, I guess we should be grateful that we're not 242 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,200 seeing the tattoo showing up in North Carolina yet. I 243 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:47,759 don't know if you've seen that or not yet, but 244 00:12:48,919 --> 00:12:52,240 I believe it was the libs of TikTok account posted 245 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,799 image of a person bragging about getting their Charlie Kirk tattoo, 246 00:12:55,799 --> 00:12:58,440 and when you look at it, it's an image of 247 00:12:58,519 --> 00:12:59,879 him literally being shot. 248 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,159 Speaker 1: Did they put it? Did they put the tattoo on 249 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:03,600 their neck? 250 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:05,919 Speaker 3: No, they had it on their arm. 251 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:09,919 Speaker 2: But you yeah, that's nice. 252 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:11,559 Speaker 3: That's permanent, boy. 253 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:12,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. 254 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 2: Let's hope you wear long sleeves on any future job 255 00:13:14,879 --> 00:13:18,120 interview you go on, AP, good to hear from me. 256 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:19,960 Thanks for the work you're doing. You will not be 257 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:21,559 here with us next week, but we'll catch up with 258 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:22,200 you in another two. 259 00:13:22,879 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: Great. Thanks all right, thanks AP. That's AP Dylan. 260 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,159 Speaker 2: She is a reporter at the North State Journal NSJ 261 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,240 online dot com and at Substack. More to the story 262 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,799 is the name of her newsletter. All right, so you've 263 00:13:33,799 --> 00:13:36,399 heard me talk about Creative Video for almost a year. 264 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: But did you know they. 265 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,799 Speaker 2: Also offer a game changing app for businesses that reward 266 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,799 their teams with incentive trips. Well, they do. It's called 267 00:13:43,879 --> 00:13:46,519 Incentive Trip Kit. If you want a business or work 268 00:13:46,519 --> 00:13:49,240 at one that offers these incentive trips, this is a 269 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,480 must have. It maximizes the impact and value of these 270 00:13:52,519 --> 00:13:56,159 motivational trips. 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And number one on this whole painting 289 00:14:57,039 --> 00:14:59,679 of the rocks out in front of schools, I have 290 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:03,679 no frame of reference for that because I did not 291 00:15:03,799 --> 00:15:06,720 go to a school where vandalism was acceptable. 292 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: Okay. 293 00:15:07,679 --> 00:15:10,559 Speaker 2: They didn't try to direct us to go paint a rock. 294 00:15:11,159 --> 00:15:13,679 But then again, we weren't painting Happy Birthday, you know, 295 00:15:13,759 --> 00:15:14,919 to our friends. 296 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: On the schools or anything like that. 297 00:15:16,279 --> 00:15:19,519 Speaker 2: So this wasn't anything that I had any experience with 298 00:15:20,159 --> 00:15:21,879 these spirit rocks that get painted. 299 00:15:22,159 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: Number one. Okay, so I recognize that I. 300 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,799 Speaker 2: Don't know all the rules and the processes and procedures 301 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:31,000 and all of that. It seems to be like sort 302 00:15:31,039 --> 00:15:33,480 of a new thing. And I say new probably within 303 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,159 the last twenty twenty five years. I never noticed it 304 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:40,559 before that, but. 305 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: But I don't know. 306 00:15:40,279 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 2: We had this problem arise at Arderie Kel High School locally, 307 00:15:44,279 --> 00:15:47,840 where somebody painted a message for Charlie Kirk and then 308 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,399 the school was like, oh, that's vandalism. We are investigating. 309 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,639 It's like, well, they signed their names to the thing. 310 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,200 But if you're going to allow Black Lives Matter messaging 311 00:15:59,759 --> 00:16:03,039 then and you've already opened up the gates there. You've 312 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:09,399 already said we're allowing political messaging to appear on these rocks. 313 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,440 Because the BLM stuff was political messaging. It is no 314 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:17,480 different than a memorial to Charlie Kirk. Zero difference Okay, 315 00:16:17,679 --> 00:16:22,000 that's that's first as it relates to the UNC Wilmington 316 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,799 Spirit Rock painting and painting over it. I don't know 317 00:16:25,799 --> 00:16:28,200 what rules they've got going on over there. But here's 318 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:33,600 the thing. It's just in poor taste. It's rude, it's transgressive, 319 00:16:34,039 --> 00:16:35,200 it's antagonistic. 320 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: Okay. 321 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:41,639 Speaker 2: And my bias here is that when I was when 322 00:16:41,679 --> 00:16:44,559 I came back from my first year in college, I 323 00:16:44,679 --> 00:16:47,480 arrived home back in New York to the news that 324 00:16:47,519 --> 00:16:52,039 one of my high school friends died, and so immediately 325 00:16:52,159 --> 00:16:56,679 upon return, I was attending his funeral, and the way 326 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:00,519 we tried to honor him afterwards was not a but 327 00:17:00,559 --> 00:17:03,000 it was a big banner. So when I was a kid, 328 00:17:03,039 --> 00:17:05,839 my grandpa died with Alzheimer's, and before he died, my 329 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:07,759 mom and my dad took care of him as he 330 00:17:07,799 --> 00:17:10,640 got worse. Forty years ago, there were no treatments and 331 00:17:10,759 --> 00:17:13,799 not much support for caregivers and family. But things are 332 00:17:13,839 --> 00:17:16,440 different today because of the work of so many people, 333 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:20,039 including the Alzheimer's Association of Western Carolina. It's a great 334 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:23,400 organization with awesome people with huge hearts. I've been a 335 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,359 supporter for twenty five years. This cause means a lot 336 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,720 to me. I participate in the annual Walk to end 337 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,680 Alzheimer's and I'm leading a Charlotte team again this year 338 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,920 and it's called once again Pete's Pack. You can sign 339 00:17:36,039 --> 00:17:38,240 up and you can join the team and walk with us. 340 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,559 It's on October eighteenth that truest field. Sign up at 341 00:17:41,559 --> 00:17:45,160 alz dot org slash Walk and then you could search 342 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,160 for my team name Pete's Pack. There's also a link 343 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,720 at the petepod dot com. There's also a link in 344 00:17:50,759 --> 00:17:54,039 the description of this podcast. Also, I'll be am seeing 345 00:17:54,079 --> 00:17:56,839 the Gastonia Walk on October eleventh, and so you can 346 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,160 make a team and join that one too, or make 347 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,200 a donation and helped me hit my goal of five 348 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,920 thousand dollars. If you do, I really appreciate it. There 349 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,440 are a bunch of other walks all over the Carolinas. 350 00:18:06,559 --> 00:18:09,240 You can go to alz dot org slash Walk for 351 00:18:09,319 --> 00:18:12,079 all the dates and locations. Were closer than ever to 352 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,519 stopping Alzheimer's. Can you help us get there? Will you 353 00:18:14,559 --> 00:18:17,400 walk with me? For a different future, for families, for 354 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:21,960 more time for treatments. This is why we walk now. 355 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:26,559 When I started saying this story before the break, when 356 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:27,640 I returned home. 357 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:29,559 Speaker 1: It was the last summer. The only summer that I. 358 00:18:29,519 --> 00:18:36,279 Speaker 2: Actually went back home during college to live was this 359 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,960 summer after my freshman year, because then the next year 360 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:45,119 I moved off campus and never got a job and 361 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,200 never went back home up to New York. And when 362 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:51,079 I went back home to New York high school, friend 363 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:55,319 of mine named Jimmy Vega was with a bunch of 364 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:57,759 my other friends. They were all they had gotten out 365 00:18:57,759 --> 00:19:03,200 of school. He was in the Merchant Marine Academy and 366 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,079 they had gotten out like a week prior, and so 367 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,960 he had gone by my house and was, you know, hey, 368 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,000 when's Pete coming back? And my mom was like, oh, 369 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:15,880 he'll be back next week. And before I got home 370 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:20,400 that weekend, before he and some of their other friends 371 00:19:20,559 --> 00:19:22,759 they had gone up to I grew up on the 372 00:19:22,799 --> 00:19:24,960 south shore of Long Island. There are a lot of 373 00:19:26,279 --> 00:19:29,640 barrier islands and such that are along that south shore, 374 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,200 and there are a lot of bridges, and one of 375 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,640 the things that the kids would do would be to 376 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:36,920 jump off some of these bridges that were like, you know, 377 00:19:37,039 --> 00:19:41,839 thirty forty feet above the water. And he, along with 378 00:19:42,519 --> 00:19:45,680 three other guys, they all jumped off of this bridge together, 379 00:19:46,279 --> 00:19:52,839 and Jimmy never came up and he died. They don't 380 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:54,519 know how, but he hit the because he was a 381 00:19:54,599 --> 00:19:58,880 very good swimmer. The theory was that he jumped in 382 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:03,440 and he hit something and it killed him. And so 383 00:20:04,559 --> 00:20:07,920 I get home a couple of days later, have the 384 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,480 funeral and all of that, and so while we are 385 00:20:10,519 --> 00:20:15,359 all grieving the loss of our friend, we decide we're 386 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:20,079 going to do a banner. We got an old bed sheet, 387 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,920 we painted messages and stuff on it, and then we 388 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,480 went to the bridge and hung the banner off the 389 00:20:26,519 --> 00:20:28,319 side of the bridge. 390 00:20:28,519 --> 00:20:31,279 Speaker 1: Was that illegal? Absolutely? It was illegal. 391 00:20:31,319 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 2: I don't think anybody ever really considered it at the time. 392 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,359 We didn't think, oh, this is against the law. We 393 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:40,079 just knew this was a popular place that people jump 394 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,519 off the bridge into the water, and this is where 395 00:20:42,599 --> 00:20:45,480 Jimmy died, and so we wanted to put it put 396 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:49,960 it there, and so we did. And while we after 397 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:54,640 we had hung it there, a law enforcement officer arrives 398 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:56,640 sees what we're doing. 399 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,839 Speaker 1: And I don't know if he was Suffolk County. 400 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 2: I don't know if he was like a park ranger 401 00:21:02,279 --> 00:21:03,799 or something like that, because there are a lot of 402 00:21:04,079 --> 00:21:07,000 parks there. It's the beaches are different up in New York. 403 00:21:07,319 --> 00:21:10,519 They're they're actually parks, they're not like public access whatever. 404 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:17,519 So he could have arrested us, He could have given 405 00:21:17,599 --> 00:21:20,039 us citations, told us to take it down. He could 406 00:21:20,079 --> 00:21:22,839 have done any number of things. But he knew the 407 00:21:22,839 --> 00:21:25,559 story because it was front page of the paper. Long 408 00:21:25,599 --> 00:21:31,359 Island News Day made the front page, and he turned 409 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:35,079 his spotlight from his car like the window mounted lamp, 410 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,559 and he turned it onto the UH onto the banner 411 00:21:38,599 --> 00:21:40,880 for us because it was nighttime when we when we 412 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:42,559 hung it up, which I guess actually now that I'm 413 00:21:42,559 --> 00:21:44,279 thinking about it, indicates we probably did. 414 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: Know it was not illegal. The fact that we went 415 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:48,039 at night to do it. 416 00:21:51,279 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 2: See like there there is a certain amount of grace 417 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,319 that you should afford people, even if you don't agree 418 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,279 with what they're doing. And if you don't agree with 419 00:22:00,599 --> 00:22:06,079 kids painting a rock to memorialize somebody that they respected, 420 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,960 that they agreed with, that they liked, that they got 421 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:14,599 some meaning from his words. Stop acting like a narcissistic 422 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:21,880 sociopath and defacing their memorial. You can do it after 423 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,480 the twenty four hours or whatever the protocol is at Wilmington. 424 00:22:26,519 --> 00:22:30,119 Let them have their moment. They're in grief, they are grieving. 425 00:22:30,799 --> 00:22:34,759 Allow them to mourn in this simple, small way. There 426 00:22:34,759 --> 00:22:37,559 will be time for you to paint over it with 427 00:22:37,759 --> 00:22:43,160 some other message that you want other people to see, 428 00:22:41,519 --> 00:22:47,599 like nastiness and evil and darkness. You know, the school's 429 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,720 going to let you do that. There's no need for 430 00:22:49,759 --> 00:22:52,359 you to do it right now. But it is indicative 431 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:59,200 and representative of a mindset that is rotting too many 432 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:04,400 people's brain that you cannot engage with me on the 433 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,400 merits of your arguments, and so you will try to 434 00:23:08,519 --> 00:23:12,359 stop me from speaking. That is what has become very 435 00:23:12,519 --> 00:23:15,480 very clear. Look, people in radio, in my line of work, 436 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,960 we've been aware of this mentality for a very long time. Okay, 437 00:23:19,839 --> 00:23:23,920 we have been subjected to this kind of you know, boycott, cancelation, 438 00:23:24,039 --> 00:23:26,720 whatever you want to call it. We have been subjected 439 00:23:26,759 --> 00:23:30,839 to this stuff for a very long time. But with 440 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,319 the rise of digital media, everybody now has a platform. 441 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,480 There are a lot more people that are now becoming 442 00:23:36,599 --> 00:23:40,480 targeted in the way that radio hosts on particularly conservative 443 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:44,599 talk radio stations, have been targeted for thirty years and 444 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,200 it's not healthy. And now it is widespread because everyone 445 00:23:48,279 --> 00:23:53,960 has their own essentially digital radio station or show, and 446 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:58,400 so just this small little thing, if you can just 447 00:23:58,519 --> 00:24:03,519 restrain yourselves for twenty four hours, maybe two days, let 448 00:24:03,559 --> 00:24:07,680 them have their painted rock game on Week one. Starts now, 449 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,200 and every touchdown brings you closer to a payout. 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White is an 484 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:07,720 attorney by trade who lives and works in Wilmington, and 485 00:26:07,799 --> 00:26:09,880 in his statement he says, for too long, on many 486 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:15,000 American campuses, left wing activists were emboldened by weak and 487 00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:20,319 effeckless leadership that allowed one sided conversation to own public spaces, 488 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:25,240 squelch and censor opposing points of view, and rule in 489 00:26:25,319 --> 00:26:31,119 a quasi fiefdom form without much competition. Conservative students feared 490 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:35,799 reputational damage for expressing themselves, feared receiving poor grades from 491 00:26:35,839 --> 00:26:39,079 liberal professors if they chose to speak up in class, 492 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,319 and in some cases, feared for their safety as more 493 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,079 and more militant students said it was okay to commit 494 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:49,440 violence over political disagreements. But then things started to change. 495 00:26:49,839 --> 00:26:53,240 Conservative students slowly began to emerge from the shadows and 496 00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:56,200 speak up with more frequency about their beliefs and desire 497 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,599 for more thought diversity. A growing number of campus and 498 00:26:59,599 --> 00:27:02,440 system leaders began to support these efforts, and the tide 499 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,640 began to turn. Then, six days ago, a young man 500 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,480 died on a college campus in Utah while expressing his 501 00:27:08,519 --> 00:27:12,240 own beliefs, and the pendulum accelerated its swing, as evidenced 502 00:27:12,279 --> 00:27:16,240 by what happened at UNC Wilmington. The painting over of 503 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,640 Spirit Rock near the Amphitheater and the rude disregard by 504 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,960 left wing activists of the unwritten rules of when and 505 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:27,319 how to appropriately express their own points of view is 506 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,799 indicative of the depth of the problem. Where once action 507 00:27:32,039 --> 00:27:35,400 such as this went unaddressed or campus leaders just looked 508 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,599 the other way. Now a growing number of students, like 509 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,279 the young people standing up for Charlie Kirk this morning, 510 00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:44,960 we're doing, are saying enough, and we are witnessing conservative 511 00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:47,400 students show up with their own buckets of paint and 512 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:52,240 their own messages, and this infuriates those who had previously 513 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:57,720 enjoyed a monopoly with regard to activities like this. He's 514 00:27:57,759 --> 00:28:02,200 exactly right. It is the law of their monopoly on 515 00:28:02,279 --> 00:28:06,319 the public square, and they don't know how to react. 516 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,359 It is the same thing I've been saying this for years, 517 00:28:08,759 --> 00:28:11,680 which is that because of the protection that the left 518 00:28:11,799 --> 00:28:17,440 enjoys by owning the cultural institutions, they have grown intellectually flabby. 519 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,000 There is no limiting principle on leftism it can never 520 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:26,960 go too far. Ever, and so when they control the 521 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,400 institutions and people start objecting to some of the things like, hey, 522 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,359 don't be showing my six year old cartoon porn in 523 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:39,680 order to advance transgenderism, for example, right, and they have 524 00:28:39,759 --> 00:28:44,359 no response, there's no logical, rational response to it, and 525 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:51,440 they're not persuading people. And so what do they do? Shame, browbeat, attack, silence. Right, 526 00:28:51,759 --> 00:28:54,119 these are the tactics that we have been calling out 527 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,039 for over a decade North Carolinians. We've sort of been 528 00:28:58,079 --> 00:29:00,440 at the forefront of some of this stuff with the 529 00:29:00,599 --> 00:29:10,079 HB two fight. But in the act of suppressing anybody 530 00:29:10,119 --> 00:29:14,079 that disagrees with you, you have not learned how to 531 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,319 formulate an argument. You have not learned how to rebut 532 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,039 you have not learned how to make a case. And 533 00:29:21,079 --> 00:29:23,799 so you're not persuading anybody. You have, as I said, 534 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:30,200 you have grown intellectually flabby. And this is the result. 535 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:36,960 You're lashing out because you're not equipped. It's impotent rage. 536 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:38,599 That's all you've got left. 537 00:29:39,599 --> 00:29:40,039 Speaker 1: That's it. 538 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,039 Speaker 2: What do you White statement goes on to say, regrettably, 539 00:29:45,079 --> 00:29:48,279 there's a small contingent of students on every campus that 540 00:29:48,359 --> 00:29:51,480 do not want civil interaction, do not care much for 541 00:29:51,599 --> 00:29:56,559 codes of conduct or authority, and instead wish to spread chaos, anarchy, 542 00:29:57,079 --> 00:29:59,680 and use the threat of violence to silence those with 543 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:04,160 whom they disagree. Again, not a new problem. I'm old 544 00:30:04,279 --> 00:30:07,839 enough to remember when guys like Ben Shapiro would go 545 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,480 to a college campus and would need one hundred, one 546 00:30:11,559 --> 00:30:17,440 hundred and fifty armed police officers in order to quell violence. 547 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,319 Why because they didn't want to hear what he had 548 00:30:21,359 --> 00:30:25,119 to say. This is, you know, the era of the 549 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,640 trigger warnings, and I'm about to talk about something that 550 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,519 you might disagree with. So if you need a safe space, 551 00:30:31,559 --> 00:30:34,960 we've set up cry closets in the campus library that 552 00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:39,720 you can go off and weep in. Right, resistance to 553 00:30:39,799 --> 00:30:44,480 pressure builds strength. And if you don't realize that now 554 00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:48,599 of all times, like it should be quite clear at 555 00:30:48,599 --> 00:30:52,079 this point, the people who have the stronger arguments are 556 00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:56,960 the ones who have been facing resistance. You guys talk about, oh, 557 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,039 you're the resistance, you are not. You know how I 558 00:30:59,079 --> 00:31:01,839 know that Because you're not strong. You're not strong in 559 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,720 your arguments. That's how I know you're not the resistance. 560 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:12,759 You're just a contrarian. By the way, White says, these 561 00:31:12,839 --> 00:31:15,240 views have no place at UNCW or anywhere else in 562 00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:17,640 the system, and those students should conform their behavior to 563 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,160 the rules or be expelled. 564 00:31:19,599 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: I quite agree. 565 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,279 Speaker 2: All right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you 566 00:31:25,359 --> 00:31:27,319 so much for listening. I could not do the show 567 00:31:27,359 --> 00:31:29,880 without your support and the support of the businesses that 568 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,039 advertise on the podcast, so if you'd like, please support 569 00:31:33,079 --> 00:31:34,759 them too and tell them you heard it here. You 570 00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:37,400 can also become a patron at my Patreon page or 571 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,119 go to vpetecleanershow dot com. Again, thank you so much 572 00:31:41,119 --> 00:31:48,319 for listening, and don't break anything while I'm gone.