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I highly recommend it. It's called more to the Story, Ap.
How are you today?
Speaker 3: I'm doing okay. How are you doing?
Speaker 1: I'm doing okay as well.
Speaker 2: So today is the legislator's coming back, right today?
Speaker 1: Is it all right?
Speaker 2: So we already got a half the press release here
from the Speaker of the House, Destin Hall. The headline
on this is called Legislative Leaders unveil criminal justice reforms
following the murder of Arena Zarutzka in Charlotte, and so
They've got a lot of things going on here, So
what are the I guess what are the highlights of
this this proposal that jump out at you.
Speaker 3: Well, they're calling it arena of law for one thing,
and for another thing, it's going to sort of rejigger
what they consider to be violent offenses that would require
a judge or magister to impose certain conditions for pre
jaw release. So like a first time offender, their only
options are secured bond or house arrests with electronic monitoring.
For second offense or any subsequent event, the only option
would be secured bond and house arrests with electronic monitor you.
Speaker 1: Know, like both.
Speaker 3: Right, So it's they also have to start considering, you know,
when someone's brought before them, they have to look at
their history too and consider that in fact of that
in before they decide they're going to let them go,
which in the case of Arena Zariska, it would have been,
you know, a no brainer. The guy had been arrested
over fourteen times.
Speaker 2: Right and had already like exhibited these these schizophrenic episodes.
In fact, that was why he was most recently in
front of the judge because of the nine to one
one the misuse of the nine one one call.
Speaker 3: Yes, and specific to Zerusa's case, this thing also the
spell awfully is going to make it a capital selony
if the victim is killed using public transportation will be
considered an aggravating factor where they can seek death penalty.
And that leads to another provision in there, which isn't
going to let the courts let death penalty appeal fit
quote indefinitely.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: There, he says they must be heard within two years
of finally, and continuances will not be granted unless the
judge finds extenuating circumstances. So I expect that's going to
that's a big change.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And if this thing gets passed into law, I
expect that to be litigated, yep, because I mean, we
have the death penalty in North Carolina, but we effectively
don't have the death penalty any longer because everything's just
been sitting, right.
Speaker 3: It's just been sitting or pardons, right, Yeah, as we
saw with outgoing Governor Racooper. The bill also is going
to let the chief Justice of the Supreme Court, that
would be for the chief just district Court judge to
initiate quote suspension proceedings from magistrates, which again ties right
back to the case in Charlotte, because apparently the magistrate
who you know, just let this guy walk, it's just
killer walk, basically didn't have any kind of relevant background
for her being a magistrate.
Speaker 2: Right, So there's that issue, you know, And that's one
of the things that people are amazed to find out,
is the lack of credentials, if you will, which look,
I don't even know if you know, like requiring people
to be lawyers to become magistrates. I don't even know
if that fixes the problem, because there's a whole bunch
of radical lefties that are lawyers, and if they get
into these positions, they'll just keep doing the same thing.
This is really the problem, is that you have an
ideology that animates so many people in the justice system,
and so you can't get at the problems because you
can't construct sort of, you know, a series of laws
unless you're going to take the matter completely out of
these officials' hands and say this is now required, like
somebody comes in front of you and this is what
you have to do. Unless you get that specific with
every single charge, in which case, then do you even
need the magistrates, you know, right, I mean.
Speaker 3: If the research is going to be done anyway, it
could just go right before the judge at that point.
There is money in this thing too. It directs one
million for a North Carolina collaborate, for the North Carolinic
Collaboratory to study mental health and the justice system, alternative
execution methods, house arrests, stuff, that kind of thing, and
they want reports on those due in twenty twenty six
and again in twenty twenty seven. And then it has
money in their two million in recurring and non recurring funds.
The mixture there for ten additional assistant district attorneys and
five legal assistants for Mecklensburg County's Judicial District twenty six,
which and honestly money would be retroactive to July one,
so they can hire them now.
Speaker 2: Right, And honestly, it's about time, like it's it's seriously, he's.
Speaker 3: In there that the bill rescinds the Governor's Task Force
for Racial Equity Criminal Justice.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, also it's about yes, which like that would like
And honestly, that's that's already it's already been the part
of some Republican campaign adds against Roy Cooper, and I
expect it will continue to be so in light of this,
and I think, you know, the murder of Arena Zarutzka
followed by the murder of Charlie Kirk, created this moment
where sort of like people have been you know, people
have been awakened to what's going on, and it's like,
this is this is not acceptable any longer. What is
what has become of this country? What has become of
our society. They've watched the responses from people, and this
is the I think the pendulum starting to swing the
other direction.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so too. I think so too that.
I think that, you know, people are at the point
now where they're being told, oh, but crime is down,
so don't believe you're lying eyes you know, when you're
being ripped off, when you're getting carjacked, or your house
is broken into her you know, someone's murdered on a train.
I think that I think we're there, you know, whether
or not the numbers actually bear that out. People do
not feel safe right well.
Speaker 1: I mean, look just what last week.
Speaker 2: I think Thursday afternoon during lunchtime in uptown outside or
it's the fight started inside of a restaurant and then
went out into the latt of arcade area, this little
alleyway of restaurant. Yeah, and just a guy just murders
somebody right there on the sidewalk in the middle of
the lunch rush. And yeah, so like, you can talk
about crime stats being down, but when you've got yet
another murder and then this comes on the heels of
the four year old who was you know, murdered during
a four guys running around stealing cars in various counties
and shoot at a town home and kill a four
year old.
Speaker 1: It's like and and every one.
Speaker 2: Of these, uh, all the suspects, they've got rap sheets
that go back years, and people are like, we're just
we're sick and tired of it.
Speaker 1: This has got to stop.
Speaker 2: It's a small percentage of people committing the vast majority
of these crimes.
Speaker 1: You know who these people are.
Speaker 2: And for some reason, we have again officials that just
keep letting people back out onto the street with low
bond or no bond, And it's just and people are
just fed up with it, I think, And maybe the
governor will sort of read the room and sign some
of this stuff into law, but I don't know. It's
Josh Stein so we'll see. Well, I mentioned Charlie Kirk there.
You wrote up a couple of things on Charlie Kirk
and the response and some of the actions that have
taken place. You've got a quick hit that you put
up on your sub stack about this resolution that was
up at the US House of Representative So what happened
up there?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was last week. It was a resolution I
think Nancy Mays might have put it for, but don't
quote me on that one. I'd have to go back
and look, actually I don't think it was, sorry now
that I'm thinking about it, but it was a resolution
that was supposed to honor the life with Charlie Kirk,
but also can m his assassination. And ninety five of
the two hundred and fifteen Congressional Democrats voted yes. So
some voted yes. Yeah, that's good, but the remainder fifty
eight voted no, thirty eight voted president, and twenty two
didn't vote at all. So I mean you might as
well count the voted president as.
Speaker 1: Nos, right, but without the courage to vote.
Speaker 3: Now, the majority of the Democrats voted it down. It
did pass anyway, but there were some interesting reactions to
that Congressman Mark Harris here from North Carolina wrote on
exit less than half of the Democratic caucus voted to
honor Charlie Kirk and condemned political violence disgraceful. So that
got me thinking, all right, well, who in North Carolina
House members? How did they vote? So I looked at
the Democrats and then Reholicans. All were voted yes, of course,
and the North Carolina Democrat congressional members Don Davis and
NCO one and Debora Ross and NC two they both
voted yes. Valerie Fushi and NCO four voted no, and
Alma Adams and NC twelve voted president president. Yeah, oh
there's your answer.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, and I've heard people drawing parallels to the assassination
of the was it the Minnesota Speaker of the House,
Melissa Hortman I think was her name, and you know,
oh where were you know Republicans outrage over this when
in fact they did pass a resolution condemning her death.
Speaker 3: And yeah, every single Republican voted for it.
Speaker 1: Right, and it was unanimous.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, But I mean it's not really even the
same thing. No, it's an elective official, this is a
this is a young man. You know, he's thirty one
years old whose whole job was going out debating people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, it's uh. And then there finally there's
the story out of unc Wilmington, another rock story, another
spirit rock that has a message commemorating Charlie Kirk and
this is uh, this is too much for radical lefties
on campus, and so they have have to deface it, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they defaced it with blue paint less than twenty
four hours. Then since it was put up, and there's
sort of a loose policy in place at UNCW that
you're not supposed to paint over a spirit rock within
twenty four hours of being painted, and normally somebody puts
the day and time on when they painted it so
that someone knows not to paint over it. Well, that
wasn't good enough, and a young woman led the charge.
Her name was.
Speaker 2: Let's see Sophia'szambrano, Zophiazambrano.
Speaker 3: She's a dean scholar at the University of North Carolina Womanton,
which means she's guiding money to go there. Nice and
she said that she was going to be famous, I know, sorry,
she's going to be iconic for doing this, and that
her friends in Chapel Hill would be so proud of her.
And that wasn't the last time it was painted over, though.
It was painted over at least twice after that, and
just most recently, I saw yesterday evening that it had
been posted, you know, painted over again. UNCBOG member Woody
White had posted on X pictures of the rock painted
black with Antifa messages and a Saintanic cult them blot.
Speaker 1: Hmmm, so you know, subtle, very subtle.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, this back and forth with the rock,
it's just it's just awful. Yeah, you know. They they
painted it over again after she did it like blue
with the big words that's the no empathy and another
and a bunch of stickers on there that said Trump
is a trader and f bomb Trump.
Speaker 2: M hm, well there's there's also on the no empathy
version f Kirk as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: So this is the the Party of love and kindness
and tolerance. There's no hate in this house for whatever.
Speaker 3: Well, I guess we should be grateful that we're not
seeing the tattoo showing up in North Carolina yet. I
don't know if you've seen that or not yet, but
I believe it was the libs of TikTok account posted
image of a person bragging about getting their Charlie Kirk tattoo,
and when you look at it, it's an image of
him literally being shot.
Speaker 1: Did they put it? Did they put the tattoo on
their neck?
Speaker 3: No, they had it on their arm.
Speaker 2: But you yeah, that's nice.
Speaker 3: That's permanent, boy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Let's hope you wear long sleeves on any future job
interview you go on, AP, good to hear from me.
Thanks for the work you're doing. You will not be
here with us next week, but we'll catch up with
you in another two.
Speaker 1: Great. Thanks all right, thanks AP. That's AP Dylan.
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Speaker 1: All right, so I may be a little well.
Speaker 2: I try to recognize my own biases. Okay, I try
to identify them. And number one on this whole painting
of the rocks out in front of schools, I have
no frame of reference for that because I did not
go to a school where vandalism was acceptable.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: They didn't try to direct us to go paint a rock.
But then again, we weren't painting Happy Birthday, you know,
to our friends.
Speaker 1: On the schools or anything like that.
Speaker 2: So this wasn't anything that I had any experience with
these spirit rocks that get painted.
Speaker 1: Number one. Okay, so I recognize that I.
Speaker 2: Don't know all the rules and the processes and procedures
and all of that. It seems to be like sort
of a new thing. And I say new probably within
the last twenty twenty five years. I never noticed it
before that, but.
Speaker 1: But I don't know.
Speaker 2: We had this problem arise at Arderie Kel High School locally,
where somebody painted a message for Charlie Kirk and then
the school was like, oh, that's vandalism. We are investigating.
It's like, well, they signed their names to the thing.
But if you're going to allow Black Lives Matter messaging
then and you've already opened up the gates there. You've
already said we're allowing political messaging to appear on these rocks.
Because the BLM stuff was political messaging. It is no
different than a memorial to Charlie Kirk. Zero difference Okay,
that's that's first as it relates to the UNC Wilmington
Spirit Rock painting and painting over it. I don't know
what rules they've got going on over there. But here's
the thing. It's just in poor taste. It's rude, it's transgressive,
it's antagonistic.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: And my bias here is that when I was when
I came back from my first year in college, I
arrived home back in New York to the news that
one of my high school friends died, and so immediately
upon return, I was attending his funeral, and the way
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When I started saying this story before the break, when
I returned home.
Speaker 1: It was the last summer. The only summer that I.
Speaker 2: Actually went back home during college to live was this
summer after my freshman year, because then the next year
I moved off campus and never got a job and
never went back home up to New York. And when
I went back home to New York high school, friend
of mine named Jimmy Vega was with a bunch of
my other friends. They were all they had gotten out
of school. He was in the Merchant Marine Academy and
they had gotten out like a week prior, and so
he had gone by my house and was, you know, hey,
when's Pete coming back? And my mom was like, oh,
he'll be back next week. And before I got home
that weekend, before he and some of their other friends
they had gone up to I grew up on the
south shore of Long Island. There are a lot of
barrier islands and such that are along that south shore,
and there are a lot of bridges, and one of
the things that the kids would do would be to
jump off some of these bridges that were like, you know,
thirty forty feet above the water. And he, along with
three other guys, they all jumped off of this bridge together,
and Jimmy never came up and he died. They don't
know how, but he hit the because he was a
very good swimmer. The theory was that he jumped in
and he hit something and it killed him. And so
I get home a couple of days later, have the
funeral and all of that, and so while we are
all grieving the loss of our friend, we decide we're
going to do a banner. We got an old bed sheet,
we painted messages and stuff on it, and then we
went to the bridge and hung the banner off the
side of the bridge.
Speaker 1: Was that illegal? Absolutely? It was illegal.
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody ever really considered it at the time.
We didn't think, oh, this is against the law. We
just knew this was a popular place that people jump
off the bridge into the water, and this is where
Jimmy died, and so we wanted to put it put
it there, and so we did. And while we after
we had hung it there, a law enforcement officer arrives
sees what we're doing.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if he was Suffolk County.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he was like a park ranger
or something like that, because there are a lot of
parks there. It's the beaches are different up in New York.
They're they're actually parks, they're not like public access whatever.
So he could have arrested us, He could have given
us citations, told us to take it down. He could
have done any number of things. But he knew the
story because it was front page of the paper. Long
Island News Day made the front page, and he turned
his spotlight from his car like the window mounted lamp,
and he turned it onto the UH onto the banner
for us because it was nighttime when we when we
hung it up, which I guess actually now that I'm
thinking about it, indicates we probably did.
Speaker 1: Know it was not illegal. The fact that we went
at night to do it.
Speaker 2: See like there there is a certain amount of grace
that you should afford people, even if you don't agree
with what they're doing. And if you don't agree with
kids painting a rock to memorialize somebody that they respected,
that they agreed with, that they liked, that they got
some meaning from his words. Stop acting like a narcissistic
sociopath and defacing their memorial. You can do it after
the twenty four hours or whatever the protocol is at Wilmington.
Let them have their moment. They're in grief, they are grieving.
Allow them to mourn in this simple, small way. There
will be time for you to paint over it with
some other message that you want other people to see,
like nastiness and evil and darkness. You know, the school's
going to let you do that. There's no need for
you to do it right now. But it is indicative
and representative of a mindset that is rotting too many
people's brain that you cannot engage with me on the
merits of your arguments, and so you will try to
stop me from speaking. That is what has become very
very clear. Look, people in radio, in my line of work,
we've been aware of this mentality for a very long time. Okay,
we have been subjected to this kind of you know, boycott, cancelation,
whatever you want to call it. We have been subjected
to this stuff for a very long time. But with
the rise of digital media, everybody now has a platform.
There are a lot more people that are now becoming
targeted in the way that radio hosts on particularly conservative
talk radio stations, have been targeted for thirty years and
it's not healthy. And now it is widespread because everyone
has their own essentially digital radio station or show, and
so just this small little thing, if you can just
restrain yourselves for twenty four hours, maybe two days, let
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to the story about the painting over of the UNCW rock,
the unc System Board of Governor's member Woody White responded
to the video of the student pouring paint all over
the U memorial to Charlie Kirk Woody. White is an
attorney by trade who lives and works in Wilmington, and
in his statement he says, for too long, on many
American campuses, left wing activists were emboldened by weak and
effeckless leadership that allowed one sided conversation to own public spaces,
squelch and censor opposing points of view, and rule in
a quasi fiefdom form without much competition. Conservative students feared
reputational damage for expressing themselves, feared receiving poor grades from
liberal professors if they chose to speak up in class,
and in some cases, feared for their safety as more
and more militant students said it was okay to commit
violence over political disagreements. But then things started to change.
Conservative students slowly began to emerge from the shadows and
speak up with more frequency about their beliefs and desire
for more thought diversity. A growing number of campus and
system leaders began to support these efforts, and the tide
began to turn. Then, six days ago, a young man
died on a college campus in Utah while expressing his
own beliefs, and the pendulum accelerated its swing, as evidenced
by what happened at UNC Wilmington. The painting over of
Spirit Rock near the Amphitheater and the rude disregard by
left wing activists of the unwritten rules of when and
how to appropriately express their own points of view is
indicative of the depth of the problem. Where once action
such as this went unaddressed or campus leaders just looked
the other way. Now a growing number of students, like
the young people standing up for Charlie Kirk this morning,
we're doing, are saying enough, and we are witnessing conservative
students show up with their own buckets of paint and
their own messages, and this infuriates those who had previously
enjoyed a monopoly with regard to activities like this. He's
exactly right. It is the law of their monopoly on
the public square, and they don't know how to react.
It is the same thing I've been saying this for years,
which is that because of the protection that the left
enjoys by owning the cultural institutions, they have grown intellectually flabby.
There is no limiting principle on leftism it can never
go too far. Ever, and so when they control the
institutions and people start objecting to some of the things like, hey,
don't be showing my six year old cartoon porn in
order to advance transgenderism, for example, right, and they have
no response, there's no logical, rational response to it, and
they're not persuading people. And so what do they do? Shame, browbeat, attack, silence. Right,
these are the tactics that we have been calling out
for over a decade North Carolinians. We've sort of been
at the forefront of some of this stuff with the
HB two fight. But in the act of suppressing anybody
that disagrees with you, you have not learned how to
formulate an argument. You have not learned how to rebut
you have not learned how to make a case. And
so you're not persuading anybody. You have, as I said,
you have grown intellectually flabby. And this is the result.
You're lashing out because you're not equipped. It's impotent rage.
That's all you've got left.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 2: What do you White statement goes on to say, regrettably,
there's a small contingent of students on every campus that
do not want civil interaction, do not care much for
codes of conduct or authority, and instead wish to spread chaos, anarchy,
and use the threat of violence to silence those with
whom they disagree. Again, not a new problem. I'm old
enough to remember when guys like Ben Shapiro would go
to a college campus and would need one hundred, one
hundred and fifty armed police officers in order to quell violence.
Why because they didn't want to hear what he had
to say. This is, you know, the era of the
trigger warnings, and I'm about to talk about something that
you might disagree with. So if you need a safe space,
we've set up cry closets in the campus library that
you can go off and weep in. Right, resistance to
pressure builds strength. And if you don't realize that now
of all times, like it should be quite clear at
this point, the people who have the stronger arguments are
the ones who have been facing resistance. You guys talk about, oh,
you're the resistance, you are not. You know how I
know that Because you're not strong. You're not strong in
your arguments. That's how I know you're not the resistance.
You're just a contrarian. By the way, White says, these
views have no place at UNCW or anywhere else in
the system, and those students should conform their behavior to
the rules or be expelled.
Speaker 1: I quite agree.
Speaker 2: All right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you
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