WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.600 --> 00:00:07.639 Hudson River Radio dot Com. Right, you little monsters, you 2 00:00:07.719 --> 00:00:10.000 have a week in Scotland's shame. 3 00:00:18.039 --> 00:00:20.120 Hey, this is Jesse Carmichael from Room five. 4 00:00:20.239 --> 00:00:22.760 Hi, this is Phil Margol of the Tokens. 5 00:00:22.839 --> 00:00:23.199 Hello. 6 00:00:23.320 --> 00:00:26.559 It's Nicole Atkins on the Rock and Roll History Show. 7 00:00:26.160 --> 00:00:33.200 Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Rock and Roll History 8 00:00:33.200 --> 00:00:37.039 Show and Hudson River Radio. I'm Brian Horowitz. Tonight is 9 00:00:37.320 --> 00:00:42.200 the next installment of our limited run of well instruments 10 00:00:42.240 --> 00:00:43.799 we don't like. I hate to say it that way, 11 00:00:43.840 --> 00:00:44.799 but that's the. 12 00:00:44.719 --> 00:00:45.200 Way it is. 13 00:00:45.439 --> 00:00:49.119 And tonight happens to be my turn. I will disclose 14 00:00:49.240 --> 00:00:52.679 my least favorite instrument in just a moment and then 15 00:00:52.719 --> 00:00:54.560 catch all the heat that will be coming my way 16 00:00:54.640 --> 00:00:57.159 for it. But before we hop in, allow me to 17 00:00:57.159 --> 00:00:59.560 introduce all the crambones who are joining us here tonight. 18 00:01:00.359 --> 00:01:03.840 First and foremost, from the Richter Observatory, he says, jokes 19 00:01:03.880 --> 00:01:07.519 about mountains are always funny because they're hill areas. 20 00:01:13.879 --> 00:01:14.560 How are you doing? 21 00:01:14.599 --> 00:01:18.640 Everybody that is hill hilarious, isn't it? 22 00:01:19.079 --> 00:01:20.439 Yeah? 23 00:01:20.480 --> 00:01:24.079 And from paranormally yours, she says, it's rude when people 24 00:01:24.159 --> 00:01:27.200 cough near you. They should be coughing far away. 25 00:01:27.200 --> 00:01:27.680 From you. 26 00:01:27.760 --> 00:01:31.280 So if somebody coughs near you, you yell far cough. 27 00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:36.439 I wish I could have done that at work. 28 00:01:36.640 --> 00:01:38.480 Wait, I don't get it. You could you? 29 00:01:42.599 --> 00:01:44.079 Here, Gale, She'll tell you. 30 00:01:45.359 --> 00:01:48.719 Could you say it again a few times? 31 00:01:50.480 --> 00:01:54.920 Well, welcome back Gil from the silver screen. She walked 32 00:01:54.920 --> 00:01:57.640 into a bar and the bartender said, Hey, I have 33 00:01:57.799 --> 00:02:02.599 this super absorbent wine that's very absorbent when you drink it. 34 00:02:02.599 --> 00:02:08.639 It's called pino more. 35 00:02:09.879 --> 00:02:16.520 Only if only brilliant. Hey, everybody, And. 36 00:02:16.439 --> 00:02:19.319 Last, but not least, the host of shaving cream. She says, 37 00:02:19.719 --> 00:02:23.719 salads can sometimes be dry. It's something that needs addressing. 38 00:02:24.360 --> 00:02:29.159 Barbara Ville here, Well, you're not wrong. 39 00:02:29.759 --> 00:02:33.400 We'll just wash it down with some of the money. 40 00:02:34.120 --> 00:02:38.000 All right. I guess I have to disclose. My least 41 00:02:38.039 --> 00:02:41.599 favorite instrument really is the bagpipes. And I think it's 42 00:02:41.639 --> 00:02:44.800 just from my experience in the first responder world, working 43 00:02:44.840 --> 00:02:47.599 all these parades where the pipe and drum bands walk 44 00:02:47.680 --> 00:02:50.800 past and they all play that one song and only 45 00:02:50.840 --> 00:02:54.639 that one song, And I understand how hard the bagpipes 46 00:02:54.639 --> 00:02:58.599 are to play, but oh man, it just wears me down. 47 00:02:58.680 --> 00:03:04.000 So I think that's killed my spirit. So our deal 48 00:03:04.039 --> 00:03:06.199 when we do these episodes is the person who doesn't 49 00:03:06.240 --> 00:03:08.080 like the instrument doesn't have to pick a song. But 50 00:03:08.120 --> 00:03:10.199 I felt like I should do something, so I wrote 51 00:03:10.280 --> 00:03:12.199 up a little thing about the history of the bagpipes. 52 00:03:12.199 --> 00:03:13.520 Should I go over that real quick? 53 00:03:14.080 --> 00:03:17.520 And then nobody else thinks, all right, and there's bagpipes 54 00:03:17.560 --> 00:03:19.080 from different countries there are. 55 00:03:19.280 --> 00:03:21.520 That was actually one of the things I was going 56 00:03:21.560 --> 00:03:23.439 to point out. So when we think of the bagpipes, 57 00:03:23.479 --> 00:03:25.759 especially when I think of the bagpipes, we think Scotland, 58 00:03:25.759 --> 00:03:29.319 we think Ireland. The pipes in history are believed to 59 00:03:29.439 --> 00:03:32.719 have come only second to percussion instruments, like one of 60 00:03:32.719 --> 00:03:35.680 the first instruments that was ever made by people. It 61 00:03:35.759 --> 00:03:38.680 started with hollowed bones or stalks. 62 00:03:38.319 --> 00:03:42.919 Or branches like a ditcherdo with the circular breathing. 63 00:03:42.599 --> 00:03:46.840 Along the same lines. Yeah, yeah, same idea. The ancient 64 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:49.280 Romans are the ones who added the reservoir, the bag 65 00:03:49.319 --> 00:03:53.240 that gets squeezed. Now Nero played the bagpipes, not the fiddle, 66 00:03:53.319 --> 00:03:58.719 while Rome was burning, so you know, historically, speaking from 67 00:03:58.759 --> 00:04:01.400 their variations of bag pipes just spread around the world. 68 00:04:01.719 --> 00:04:04.080 They were played in churches in the Middle Ages. King 69 00:04:04.120 --> 00:04:07.800 Henry eighth enjoyed the bagpipes while he was sitting on 70 00:04:07.879 --> 00:04:10.120 the royal throne, which was a big deal if you 71 00:04:10.199 --> 00:04:12.520 know that little bit of history which we're not going 72 00:04:12.560 --> 00:04:15.400 to go into. You know what I mean by royal throne. 73 00:04:15.960 --> 00:04:16.839 Yeah, I believe. 74 00:04:16.879 --> 00:04:22.480 So it was an event. Yeah, I don't know the stool, 75 00:04:22.600 --> 00:04:26.160 yes exactly. Yeah, I wasn't going to, but you brought 76 00:04:26.199 --> 00:04:28.600 us into it. But yeah, that was the thing. Apparently 77 00:04:28.639 --> 00:04:31.199 it was an honor to be there, and I don't 78 00:04:31.199 --> 00:04:33.120 need that kind of honor, so I'm glad I wasn't 79 00:04:33.160 --> 00:04:36.199 around that time. So when we think of the bagpipes, 80 00:04:36.199 --> 00:04:39.399 we're talking about the Scottish Great Highland bagpipe. It needs 81 00:04:39.399 --> 00:04:43.079 an air supply, not the band air supply as in, 82 00:04:43.160 --> 00:04:44.439 like the person playing it. 83 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:47.519 They would be very busy. 84 00:04:47.680 --> 00:04:48.800 They would be they. 85 00:04:49.399 --> 00:04:51.160 That would be two strikes, you. 86 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:53.920 Know, And I'm right there with you. 87 00:04:54.120 --> 00:04:56.160 Yeah, they annoyed me to begin with. 88 00:04:58.160 --> 00:04:58.839 Yeah. 89 00:04:58.879 --> 00:05:01.839 So you you have the person playing it. That's your 90 00:05:01.879 --> 00:05:04.639 air supply. The bag which holds a reservoir of air 91 00:05:05.000 --> 00:05:07.920 that's held under the arm and it's squeezed to push 92 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:11.720 air through the chanter read which vibrates as air passes 93 00:05:11.759 --> 00:05:15.519 into the chanter. The chanter which looks like the recorder 94 00:05:15.560 --> 00:05:18.000 that we all had to play in elementary school. Remember 95 00:05:18.040 --> 00:05:21.759 that that has finger holes that change the pitch when 96 00:05:21.759 --> 00:05:25.399 you cover them. Some bagpipe. Some bagpipes can have two 97 00:05:25.480 --> 00:05:28.360 or three chanters. Think of you know Alex Lifland with 98 00:05:28.439 --> 00:05:32.639 the double neck guitars. Just two chanters, not the same thing. 99 00:05:32.639 --> 00:05:36.360 In my world, there's usually a drone, which is basically 100 00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:39.439 a chanter without the finger holes that just holds the 101 00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:41.759 same note the whole time you're playing. Air goes through 102 00:05:41.759 --> 00:05:44.079 a read and the drone is the tonic note of 103 00:05:44.120 --> 00:05:48.600 that instrument. Bagpipes don't use exactly the same temperate scale 104 00:05:48.600 --> 00:05:52.759 that we're used to hearing. The bagpipes used equally spaced notes, 105 00:05:53.240 --> 00:05:55.879 so they're closer to They start on an A, go 106 00:05:56.040 --> 00:05:59.040 from A to A their scale, so it's basically more 107 00:05:59.120 --> 00:06:03.519 like ABC E sharp D E F sharp G natural 108 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:03.800 in A. 109 00:06:04.439 --> 00:06:06.839 So that those are be able to remember that. 110 00:06:07.279 --> 00:06:11.000 Yeah, so you're not taking up the bagpipes. 111 00:06:12.839 --> 00:06:14.240 Uh maybe I am. 112 00:06:14.360 --> 00:06:19.319 Now, Okay, let's all take up the bagpipes and annoy 113 00:06:19.399 --> 00:06:21.959 Bryan ring it. 114 00:06:22.399 --> 00:06:24.519 Just give me an extra inhaler and I'm in there. 115 00:06:24.560 --> 00:06:24.839 You go. 116 00:06:25.560 --> 00:06:27.839 I wonder if you can hook up like a nebulizer 117 00:06:27.879 --> 00:06:28.680 to the bagpipe. 118 00:06:29.240 --> 00:06:33.000 Oh my gosh, that would just drown out the noise 119 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:34.480 of the bagpipe, and we don't want. 120 00:06:34.319 --> 00:06:41.240 That, or yeah, yeah, I kind of do. So going 121 00:06:41.279 --> 00:06:43.279 back to the bag early on, it was made from 122 00:06:43.399 --> 00:06:46.920 animal skins because that was what was available. Nowadays they're 123 00:06:46.959 --> 00:06:52.959 usually gortex or synthetics. Either way, you're blowing your warm, 124 00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:57.439 moist breath into an enclosed, dark, warm moist reservoir. So 125 00:06:57.600 --> 00:07:02.240 what can happen? Yeah, so the fun guy, the mold 126 00:07:02.399 --> 00:07:05.519 can grow. If they're not properly disassembled and cleaned, which 127 00:07:05.560 --> 00:07:09.319 they almost always are to their credit, pipers can theoretically 128 00:07:09.319 --> 00:07:13.000 get what's known as bagpipe long causing coughing, shortness of breath, 129 00:07:13.560 --> 00:07:17.480 or a lesions from infections. It sounds gross, it makes 130 00:07:17.480 --> 00:07:19.759 for a good story, but it's actually super super rare 131 00:07:19.800 --> 00:07:23.759 because pipers are generally responsible people and disinfect what like 132 00:07:23.800 --> 00:07:25.199 they're supposed to do well. 133 00:07:25.199 --> 00:07:27.279 Maybe nowadays, yeah, but back. 134 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:30.199 Then, before we knew what germs were and all that. Yeah, 135 00:07:30.360 --> 00:07:34.439 I don't know how sick they got. I would imagine 136 00:07:34.439 --> 00:07:38.519 whiskey would finish, would fix whatever the problems are. Certainly 137 00:07:38.560 --> 00:07:42.759 couldn't hurt. So that's why I had the occasional whiskey, 138 00:07:42.879 --> 00:07:45.079 so I don't get bagpipers lungs, even though I've never 139 00:07:45.399 --> 00:07:47.439 ever ever played a bagpipe in my life. 140 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:48.439 That happen. 141 00:07:49.720 --> 00:07:54.360 Well, friend, just be glad you're not the British monarch so. 142 00:07:54.279 --> 00:07:56.360 I don't have to sit on the stool and be admired. 143 00:07:59.160 --> 00:08:05.560 There is a piper to the Sovereign who with Queen 144 00:08:05.560 --> 00:08:11.600 Elizabeth the second he would wake her up or whatever 145 00:08:12.120 --> 00:08:14.920 at nine am. I think she was probably up sooner 146 00:08:14.959 --> 00:08:19.439 than that, but he would play at nine am for 147 00:08:19.560 --> 00:08:23.079 fifteen minutes and apparently I don't know if the time 148 00:08:23.160 --> 00:08:26.279 is still the same, but King Charles still has the 149 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:32.320 royal piper, you know, play in the morning, and he 150 00:08:32.679 --> 00:08:40.840 would also play at night when she was going to bed. 151 00:08:42.639 --> 00:08:45.080 Because she wanted to be full of rage when she's 152 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:46.039 trying to take a nap. 153 00:08:49.080 --> 00:08:55.440 And the Piper to the Sovereign goes everywhere with the 154 00:08:55.559 --> 00:08:57.639 sovereigns so they don't have to miss a day. 155 00:08:57.799 --> 00:09:00.639 I honestly can only imagine what that has to go 156 00:09:00.679 --> 00:09:01.759 through to get that spot. 157 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:06.120 A lot of whiskey, I think, yeah. 158 00:09:05.720 --> 00:09:07.960 I'm guessing you have to know somebody, or be related 159 00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:09.799 to somebody or something and know how to play the 160 00:09:09.840 --> 00:09:11.120 bagpipes correctly. 161 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:15.320 I just looked up the ICD ten code for bagpipers, 162 00:09:15.399 --> 00:09:18.919 look because I was curious. Now, for those of you 163 00:09:19.000 --> 00:09:22.360 that aren't familiar, in ICD dent code is like international 164 00:09:22.440 --> 00:09:26.679 classification of diseases that has to be on medical claims 165 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:30.000 when they are filed. And the closest thing I could 166 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:33.639 find is J six seven point eight, which is hyper 167 00:09:33.720 --> 00:09:37.960 sensitivity pneumoniitis due to other organic dusts. 168 00:09:38.320 --> 00:09:43.240 Okay, all right, Brian, I do want to jump in 169 00:09:43.320 --> 00:09:47.840 with a story, but you tell me when go ahead. Okay, 170 00:09:47.960 --> 00:09:50.200 So last weekend I went to see a friend of 171 00:09:50.240 --> 00:09:55.240 mine who is doing a one man show. I grew 172 00:09:55.320 --> 00:10:00.879 up with this guy since kindergarten and it's he's doing 173 00:10:00.879 --> 00:10:05.519 this one man show called Officer the Story of a 174 00:10:05.720 --> 00:10:06.919 South Bronx Cup. 175 00:10:09.320 --> 00:10:10.480 So he. 176 00:10:11.840 --> 00:10:18.120 Plays the bagpipes, okay, and he has played his His 177 00:10:18.440 --> 00:10:21.840 website is the Royal Piper because he has played for 178 00:10:21.919 --> 00:10:27.759 the Queen like more than a handful of times. He 179 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:34.320 also has played for Mother Teresa. And Mother Teresa and 180 00:10:36.159 --> 00:10:42.200 Princess Diana were like confidants. They were like good friends. 181 00:10:42.799 --> 00:10:48.399 And Diana had come in to see Mother Teresa in 182 00:10:48.519 --> 00:10:52.240 New York with my friend where my friend Al was 183 00:10:52.759 --> 00:10:58.120 and he was with them, and she Princess Diana had 184 00:10:58.159 --> 00:11:02.480 to get to Teeterborough Airport and there was like some 185 00:11:02.759 --> 00:11:04.919 parade going on or something. I think it was a 186 00:11:04.919 --> 00:11:08.600 Puerto Rican Day parade, and Al said, get in the 187 00:11:08.639 --> 00:11:11.039 car with me, I'll take you. And of course got 188 00:11:11.080 --> 00:11:13.320 stuck in the parade because he you know, it was 189 00:11:13.519 --> 00:11:18.600 before you know, Google maps and all that. And she 190 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:21.960 rolled down the window and started waving to other people. 191 00:11:23.080 --> 00:11:26.039 Some guy like stuck his whole head in the door 192 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:26.639 and went. 193 00:11:27.080 --> 00:11:28.159 Oh my god. 194 00:11:32.480 --> 00:11:33.159 So it was. 195 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:35.799 It was a fascinating play. It was all about his 196 00:11:35.879 --> 00:11:38.919 experience in the South Bronxon. Yeah, it was really great. 197 00:11:38.919 --> 00:11:43.840 But anyway, he does play the bagpipes, all right, cool? 198 00:11:44.080 --> 00:11:48.840 Yeah, worth looking up. So I will admit that there 199 00:11:48.879 --> 00:11:51.480 was one show I saw with bagpipes that was phenomenal. 200 00:11:51.559 --> 00:11:53.960 We were in Scotland. We were at Edinburgh Castle and 201 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:59.120 they do the Military Tattoo, which is an international festival, 202 00:11:59.519 --> 00:12:02.879 and the drawbridge comes down in hundreds, if not thousands, 203 00:12:02.919 --> 00:12:05.919 of pipers and drummers come walking out from countries around 204 00:12:05.919 --> 00:12:10.960 the world. Unbelievable. I will if that was my introduction 205 00:12:11.159 --> 00:12:14.279 and normal experience with the bagpipes, we would not be 206 00:12:14.320 --> 00:12:19.080 here today. But there's also a reason why they're playing 207 00:12:19.080 --> 00:12:22.559 at this military tattoo and you know, not your local 208 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:25.600 thanks to Saint Patti's Day parade. What can I say, 209 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:28.320 but here we are. So the rest of the show, 210 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:31.600 I just get to sit back and be tortured. So 211 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:34.159 I guess we might as well hop in and Barbara 212 00:12:34.600 --> 00:12:37.720 take it away, all right. 213 00:12:37.759 --> 00:12:41.840 So my song just has bagpipes in the beginning of 214 00:12:41.879 --> 00:12:44.799 the song. So I tried not to torture you too much, 215 00:12:44.879 --> 00:12:48.159 but you still may find it a little unpleasant if 216 00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:51.360 you really hate bagpipes that much. The song I've chosen 217 00:12:51.519 --> 00:12:55.000 for this topic is called Shoots and Ladders. It's by Corn, 218 00:12:55.799 --> 00:13:01.159 and Shoots is spelled shoots, not cud, and I will 219 00:13:01.159 --> 00:13:04.440 talk about the spelling of Corn in a bit. Corn 220 00:13:04.600 --> 00:13:07.679 is known as an American new metal band. They formed 221 00:13:07.720 --> 00:13:11.440 in nineteen ninety three. They got their start by making 222 00:13:11.519 --> 00:13:16.360 a demo tape called Niedermeyer's Mind and distribute it free 223 00:13:16.840 --> 00:13:20.000 to record companies and to the public. When trying to 224 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:21.759 come up with a name for the band, it was 225 00:13:21.759 --> 00:13:25.240 suggested that they use the name Korn spelled the traditional way, 226 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:30.320 and they rejected that. Band member James Schaeffer had the 227 00:13:30.360 --> 00:13:33.519 idea to call themselves Korn, but with a K. I 228 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:37.879 think backwards are like toys r Us used because many 229 00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:42.080 of the band members previously worked there. Shoots and Ladders 230 00:13:42.200 --> 00:13:46.000 was released in nineteen ninety five as the band's third 231 00:13:46.039 --> 00:13:49.519 single off their self titled debut album. So I've Got 232 00:13:49.519 --> 00:13:52.159 a bit more But let's pause here and cat. 233 00:13:52.080 --> 00:15:13.799 Listen Well says fuck your block. 234 00:15:13.919 --> 00:15:22.960 Cow says ashis ascious way of fault three, Hello louses, 235 00:15:23.519 --> 00:15:29.120 I get the luck couches Ashious houses. 236 00:15:28.559 --> 00:15:29.799 Way out fo. 237 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:48.840 Se six, Future should. 238 00:15:45.600 --> 00:15:58.240 See two came on Show three four, Shutter Top five 239 00:15:58.600 --> 00:16:02.919 six cock ups E seven, Agela. 240 00:16:04.559 --> 00:16:07.000 Just following. 241 00:16:20.200 --> 00:16:47.879 Much name mag Patty went and give a tug a bone. 242 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:51.720 The so man came rolling home, and Patty wouldn't give 243 00:16:51.759 --> 00:16:52.399 a dog a bone. 244 00:16:52.720 --> 00:16:54.279 This so man came Rod. 245 00:16:56.200 --> 00:17:01.120 Do it all right, Bob, somebody why you're doing to 246 00:17:01.240 --> 00:17:01.559 a dog? 247 00:17:01.639 --> 00:17:05.319 Because that's all right, I'm rolling m' not abody. 248 00:17:05.119 --> 00:17:06.200 Why you're going on the ball. 249 00:17:06.559 --> 00:17:09.640 That's all like, I'm rolling club and not a body 250 00:17:09.680 --> 00:17:10.799 why you're going on the ball. 251 00:17:11.160 --> 00:17:11.880 That's so nice? 252 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:17.920 Checking me we had to look as no Mary got 253 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:22.039 much said, it's not win no Mary about showing Mary. 254 00:17:23.839 --> 00:17:25.519 Mary the body? 255 00:17:25.640 --> 00:17:26.440 Do you marry? 256 00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:28.839 The Father's not America. 257 00:17:29.799 --> 00:17:30.640 The boter going. 258 00:17:35.160 --> 00:17:40.960 Days get the show. 259 00:17:46.799 --> 00:17:47.240 I guess. 260 00:17:47.400 --> 00:18:56.119 So Sam says, Wow. 261 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:30.000 Totally gonna sing every nursery rhyme like that. 262 00:18:30.319 --> 00:18:34.480 They should teach that angry teaching in kindergarten and raised 263 00:18:34.480 --> 00:18:36.400 the next generation of very angry kids. 264 00:18:37.759 --> 00:18:41.119 Yes, I'm totally gonna sing every nursery rhom like I'm angry. 265 00:18:41.319 --> 00:18:45.000 They might get all their expression out like that. 266 00:18:46.759 --> 00:18:49.000 And it's all public domain. You don't have to pay anybody. 267 00:18:50.720 --> 00:18:51.119 There you go. 268 00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:52.240 So. 269 00:18:52.720 --> 00:18:55.759 Shoots and Letters is the first of Korn's songs to 270 00:18:55.880 --> 00:19:00.240 incorporate bagpipes. The song's title refers to the American game 271 00:19:00.319 --> 00:19:03.759 of shoots and ladder is a metaphor for LIFs, ups 272 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:08.359 and downs. The song's lyrics mostly consist of nursery rhymes, 273 00:19:08.559 --> 00:19:11.880 and the nursery rhymes heard in the song are ring 274 00:19:11.960 --> 00:19:14.519 around the rosy one two buckle, my shoe, London Bridge 275 00:19:14.599 --> 00:19:17.279 is falling down, Baba black sheep, this oldman and Mary 276 00:19:17.279 --> 00:19:20.119 had a little lamb. The concept behind the song is 277 00:19:20.160 --> 00:19:23.359 that the nursery rhymes have dark origins behind them, and 278 00:19:23.480 --> 00:19:28.319 the children singing them don't know what they really mean. 279 00:19:28.960 --> 00:19:32.680 For example, ring around the Rosie refers to the black plague. 280 00:19:33.839 --> 00:19:38.160 Horn's commercial breakthrough followed Shoots and Ladders in nineteen ninety 281 00:19:38.200 --> 00:19:41.799 six with their album Life Is Peachy, followed by the 282 00:19:41.880 --> 00:19:45.519 nineteen ninety eight album Follow the Leader. Mainstream's success was 283 00:19:45.559 --> 00:19:49.000 attained in nineteen ninety nine with the album called Issues. 284 00:19:49.839 --> 00:19:52.279 The latter two albums debuted at number one on the 285 00:19:52.319 --> 00:19:56.559 Billboard two hundred. Shoots and Ladders earn Cornogrammy nomination for 286 00:19:56.680 --> 00:20:00.160 Best Metal Performance, and in conclusion of all all the 287 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:04.200 factoids I found while researching Corn, I picked out my 288 00:20:04.279 --> 00:20:06.920 favorite and I want to share it with you. Corn 289 00:20:07.000 --> 00:20:10.960 produced a weekly online TV show called corn TV prior 290 00:20:11.039 --> 00:20:13.160 to the release of their third album, Follow the Leader, 291 00:20:13.759 --> 00:20:16.839 which documented the making of the album and allowed fans 292 00:20:16.920 --> 00:20:20.279 to call in and ask questions. This was one of 293 00:20:20.359 --> 00:20:23.319 the first times the band use the Internet in such 294 00:20:23.359 --> 00:20:28.319 a way. The show featured special guests such as Ron Jeremy, Limp, Biscuit, 295 00:20:28.440 --> 00:20:32.880 and three eleven and There You have That. Follow the 296 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:36.920 Leader album featured guest vocalists such as Fred Durst of Limp, 297 00:20:36.960 --> 00:20:39.720 Biscuit ice Cube and there's a hidden track on the 298 00:20:39.799 --> 00:20:44.880 album featuring cheech Maren's earache my eye and that that's 299 00:20:44.920 --> 00:20:46.640 why it's my favorite factoid. 300 00:20:47.599 --> 00:20:50.000 I love that. I'm just you know, Ron Jeremy and 301 00:20:50.079 --> 00:20:54.119 a bagpipe, I just you know, oh my eyes. 302 00:20:54.440 --> 00:21:01.440 Well, so I wish to end by saying I happen 303 00:21:01.480 --> 00:21:06.119 to love bagpipes as I tend to associate instruments with experiences. 304 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:10.519 And my childhood friend's dad was an Irish New York 305 00:21:10.559 --> 00:21:13.759 City police officer and he used to practice bad pipes 306 00:21:13.799 --> 00:21:15.880 in the house. Well, my friend and I were playing 307 00:21:15.920 --> 00:21:17.640 in the backyard and we used to stop what we 308 00:21:17.720 --> 00:21:20.640 were doing and go stand under the window and listen 309 00:21:20.720 --> 00:21:23.160 to him practice, and we just love to listen. 310 00:21:24.119 --> 00:21:24.559 I get it. 311 00:21:24.720 --> 00:21:27.359 I you know. That's why I am conflicted because I 312 00:21:27.400 --> 00:21:30.200 have friends who play in local pipe and drum bands, 313 00:21:30.240 --> 00:21:34.400 and they like the camaraderie is wonderful. I'm all about 314 00:21:34.519 --> 00:21:38.119 people hanging out and making music and doing that part 315 00:21:38.160 --> 00:21:40.799 of it is fantastic. It's just the sound that comes 316 00:21:40.839 --> 00:21:42.680 out of it is. 317 00:21:44.400 --> 00:21:46.960 Could it be like a version therapy or whatever you 318 00:21:47.039 --> 00:21:49.079 want to call it, Like, you know, you were at 319 00:21:49.160 --> 00:21:52.079 work and you heard it while you were working, so that. 320 00:21:52.160 --> 00:21:57.799 Could absolutely I'm very well, yeah, all in context. 321 00:21:57.640 --> 00:21:58.440 That would make sense. 322 00:21:58.599 --> 00:22:04.079 Yeah, I'm trying to figure out which song Ryan says 323 00:22:04.279 --> 00:22:07.799 that they play every single time at a parade. 324 00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:11.599 Well, they just sound the same. I think it's a 325 00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:13.599 different song. It just all sounds like. 326 00:22:17.240 --> 00:22:19.720 The screaming two year old under your army. 327 00:22:21.920 --> 00:22:24.079 No, that's an insult to a screaming two year old. 328 00:22:25.119 --> 00:22:25.880 Could very well be. 329 00:22:27.160 --> 00:22:30.319 I mean they play Scotland the Brave a lot. Maybe 330 00:22:30.400 --> 00:22:30.759 that's it. 331 00:22:32.200 --> 00:22:34.200 Well, let's find out. Why don't we take a break 332 00:22:34.200 --> 00:22:37.079 because I know I need one already and we'll be 333 00:22:37.119 --> 00:22:40.839 back with more. So stick around, Hudson River Radio dot Com. 334 00:22:41.359 --> 00:22:42.319 Your dad likes us. 335 00:22:43.519 --> 00:22:46.640 This concludes the first part of this cassette. Please turn 336 00:22:46.680 --> 00:22:49.039 the cassette over and begin again on side to. 337 00:22:58.480 --> 00:22:59.079 Scotland. 338 00:22:59.319 --> 00:23:07.599 Twelve years and I've only let in one song, Hudson. 339 00:23:07.400 --> 00:23:12.559 River Radio dot Com and welcome back. I was trying 340 00:23:12.640 --> 00:23:16.559 not to laugh that is there you Go. That's the 341 00:23:16.640 --> 00:23:18.640 one song I know, and that seems to be the 342 00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:21.839 only song I have ever heard until I made it 343 00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:24.400 to Scotland, where they played something else. 344 00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:26.359 There you Go. 345 00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:27.799 So I'm really a victim here. 346 00:23:28.319 --> 00:23:31.920 You gotta be brave to listen to that. I mean, yeah, yeah, hey, 347 00:23:31.960 --> 00:23:34.400 and I'm I'm I'm part Scottish, so you know that 348 00:23:34.599 --> 00:23:38.920 that's the song of my people and they can have it. 349 00:23:41.400 --> 00:23:42.359 Well as the big. 350 00:23:42.240 --> 00:23:45.480 Tricky I am. They of course played Amazing Grace when 351 00:23:45.559 --> 00:23:47.119 Spock died at the end of Star Trek. 352 00:23:47.279 --> 00:23:52.359 Yes, yeah, but I've heard Amazing Grace a million times 353 00:23:52.400 --> 00:23:53.880 on other instruments and it's. 354 00:23:53.920 --> 00:23:57.480 Just not the same guitars, organs. 355 00:23:57.799 --> 00:24:00.519 Yeah, yeah, all right. 356 00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:04.799 For a funeral, it's gotta be bagpipes. Is that what 357 00:24:04.880 --> 00:24:05.279 you're saying? 358 00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:13.400 Police officer or Irish or maybe a firefighter, I don't. 359 00:24:13.559 --> 00:24:15.119 A Vulcan science officer. 360 00:24:15.400 --> 00:24:19.880 Yeah. It does have like a mournful sound to it, 361 00:24:20.039 --> 00:24:20.319 there is. 362 00:24:20.799 --> 00:24:21.759 It does make me cry. 363 00:24:22.160 --> 00:24:29.079 Yes, well yeah, but you know there are pieces for 364 00:24:29.240 --> 00:24:31.720 bagpipes called laments. 365 00:24:33.440 --> 00:24:35.880 Properly named, aren't they all? 366 00:24:36.160 --> 00:24:40.519 But yeah, all right, let's get this torture over with, Gail, 367 00:24:41.240 --> 00:24:41.720 go for it. 368 00:24:42.279 --> 00:24:47.640 Oh okay. I picked a song that I had never 369 00:24:47.720 --> 00:24:51.480 heard before, by a band that I love and wish 370 00:24:51.559 --> 00:24:55.079 I would get to see someday. The band is Echo 371 00:24:55.279 --> 00:24:59.359 and the Bunny Men. They're an English rock band and 372 00:24:59.480 --> 00:25:03.319 they were formed in Liverpool in nineteen seventy eight. The 373 00:25:03.400 --> 00:25:09.640 original lineup was vocalist In McCall, guitarist Will Sargent and 374 00:25:09.920 --> 00:25:16.119 bassist Lee Pattinson. In nineteen eighty, Pete de Freitas joined 375 00:25:16.400 --> 00:25:20.880 as the band's drummer, and he replaced the former use 376 00:25:21.039 --> 00:25:22.440 of the drum machine. 377 00:25:25.920 --> 00:25:28.559 So usually you don't hear that. It's usually the other 378 00:25:28.599 --> 00:25:31.319 way around. So yeah, I'd lad to hear that. 379 00:25:33.039 --> 00:25:37.119 Their nineteen eighty debut album, Crocodiles, went into the top 380 00:25:37.240 --> 00:25:42.480 twenty of the UK album's charts. After they released their 381 00:25:42.599 --> 00:25:46.400 second album, Heaven up Here in nineteen eighty one, The 382 00:25:46.480 --> 00:25:50.920 band's cult status was followed by mainstream success in the 383 00:25:51.119 --> 00:25:56.000 UK in nineteen eighty three, when they scored a UK 384 00:25:56.279 --> 00:26:00.359 Top ten hit with the Cutter, and the album which 385 00:26:00.440 --> 00:26:04.039 the song came from, Porcupine hit number two in the 386 00:26:04.279 --> 00:26:17.000 UK on Sire Records, Ooh Nice, Let's See Where did 387 00:26:17.079 --> 00:26:21.720 I Leave Off? After they released a self titled album 388 00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:25.440 in nineteen eighty seven, the lead singer McCulloch left the 389 00:26:25.519 --> 00:26:30.400 band and was replaced by singer Noel Burke. In nineteen 390 00:26:30.440 --> 00:26:35.519 eighty nine, the drummer was killed in a motorcycle accident 391 00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:42.599 and the Bunnymen later disbanded in nineteen ninety three after 392 00:26:42.839 --> 00:26:52.039 working together as a artist called Electrofic. Mccullocha and Sergeant 393 00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:56.720 regrouped with Pattinson in nineteen ninety seven and returned as 394 00:26:57.039 --> 00:27:02.720 Echo and the Bundymen before Mattinson's departure in nineteen ninety eight. 395 00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:09.319 Bands seem to have people that come and go different incarnations, 396 00:27:09.400 --> 00:27:14.640 I guess les Pattinson quit to take care of his mother. 397 00:27:15.640 --> 00:27:19.000 McCulloch and Sargent have continued to tour and record as 398 00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:24.440 Echo and the Bunnyman, touring repeatedly and releasing more albums. 399 00:27:25.400 --> 00:27:28.839 The band have toured and released several albums since the 400 00:27:28.920 --> 00:27:34.160 late nineteen nineties, to varying degrees of success. In more 401 00:27:34.279 --> 00:27:39.720