Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston.
Speaker 2: All right, for those of you who have just joined us,
Speaker 2: we're talking about a shooting yesterday that occurred during a
Speaker 2: peaceful pro Israel demonstration on Washington Street and Newton, not
Speaker 2: far from the Newton Police Department, I'd say three four blocks.
Speaker 3: There was an individual who was on the other.
Speaker 2: Side of Washington Street, who you've seen on the local
Speaker 2: TV stations tonight, rushed across the street. Basically, they had
Speaker 2: exchanged words. This guy was upset with the tone of
Speaker 2: the demonstration. They had exchanged. He had exchanged words, he
Speaker 2: decided to rush across the street. He jumped on an
Speaker 2: individual forty seven years old who apparently had a right
Speaker 2: to carry legally a firearm, and that firearm discharged. Whether
Speaker 2: he shot it or was discharged accidentally will be proven,
Speaker 2: you know, in the investigation, be shown to be to
Speaker 2: what happened. In the investigation. He's in the hospital with
Speaker 2: now non life threatening the person who care over an attack,
Speaker 2: the peaceful demonstrators in the hospital non life threatening injuries.
Speaker 2: The individual who was in the demonstration and who was
Speaker 2: jumped has been charged with assault and battery with a
Speaker 2: dangerous weapon. The gun as well as interfering with the
Speaker 2: constitutional rights of the guy that came over and jumped him.
Speaker 2: Now the guy that came over and jumped the group
Speaker 2: is also facing charges of assault and battery. So that's
Speaker 2: the story. It happened again in the middle of Newton.
Speaker 3: Just in the words of Rodney King, why can't we
Speaker 3: just get along.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna continue this for at least a couple of
Speaker 2: callers and then I'm going to switch topics. But folks
Speaker 2: kept stayed with us during the newscast, and as a
Speaker 2: courtesy of them going to go to jack and Newton.
Speaker 2: Jackie left me a voicemail earlier today. I didn't call
Speaker 2: you back. I didn't give you concierge service, but I
Speaker 2: assume you knew I was gonna be dealing with this
Speaker 2: issue tonight. I wish it called earlier.
Speaker 3: Because I was. I was. I thought to myself, g
Speaker 3: you know, where's jack so here? You're here? Now, what
Speaker 3: are your thoughts?
Speaker 4: Well, it took place about a mile from the police station.
Speaker 4: It was down toward the marijuana store over on the
Speaker 4: way down there to the Circle of Death. But it
Speaker 4: wasn't really a demonstration or it was a presentation of
Speaker 4: signs over the mass Pike and this guy charged him
Speaker 4: and he did you know, what he did was wrong.
Speaker 4: You know, it was one guy. I actually talked to
Speaker 4: my male man who knows his father, who lives just
Speaker 4: a few blocks away from me and from the incident,
Speaker 4: and he's a nice guy. But he got teried away
Speaker 4: with the pro Palestinian you know, anti Israel, uh, you know,
Speaker 4: mood of the country or whatever. And he charged him
Speaker 4: and that was wrong and he'll be charged with that.
Speaker 3: But this he has been charged.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you. I thought they were on so
Speaker 2: so they were demonstrating over the turnpike.
Speaker 4: Of Harvard and Washington, which is over there their Trader
Speaker 4: Joe's or whatever, or by the what they call it
Speaker 4: the Green, the Central's or something that's a marijuana sho. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's a small street called Harvard Street. They were just showing,
Speaker 4: you know, holding science.
Speaker 2: I would I would call I would call it not
Speaker 2: so much a demonstration as what would would be called
Speaker 2: the standout.
Speaker 4: Political terms, it's called the presentation. Usually you're just showing science, they.
Speaker 2: Call it a standout. When when you have people with science,
Speaker 2: they call it a standout. But that doesn't matter. They
Speaker 2: were doing nothing wrong. They were not agitating anyone.
Speaker 4: But earlier than they were picked it in Congressman Ocean
Speaker 4: Closs's office. By the way, a lot of people don't
Speaker 4: know that either.
Speaker 3: Well, they have a right to do that as well.
Speaker 4: Right, so they had the right to do that. So
Speaker 4: it was wrong that this is the same group that
Speaker 4: broke up a non violent, you know, photographic display at
Speaker 4: the Newthal Light which was upset a lot of people,
Speaker 4: including many Jewish people. There was a peaceful presentation of
Speaker 4: photographs of Palestinians and this group. But you know, it's
Speaker 4: a very radical, you know, right wing Zionist group. I'm
Speaker 4: a left wing zion I.
Speaker 3: Will tell you this.
Speaker 2: The people who the reporters interviewed today who were there,
Speaker 2: did not seem to me to be radical. They seem
Speaker 2: to be They seem to be pretty normal. They look
Speaker 2: to me like very normal residents of the town in
Speaker 2: which we both live.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, if you rile them, if you go after them,
Speaker 4: you know they'll stamp you. I've been fighting these groups.
Speaker 3: Well again, you know, I take your word for it.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: All I can tell you is I did you see
Speaker 2: the newscast tonight by any chance or no.
Speaker 4: No, No, I saw the newscast. I was down at
Speaker 4: the hearing. I was at the courthouse. Oh really, okay,
Speaker 4: I was there. What I'm say saying is that you
Speaker 4: should not bring guns to peaceful demonstrations. On both sides.
Speaker 4: It's a great danger to either side and to the police.
Speaker 4: I think the police were very upset that there were
Speaker 4: guns there. They have never in all the demonstrations in
Speaker 4: Newton by this group, they've never had guns before. The
Speaker 4: Palestinians who had demonstrations, they don't have guns. No, I think.
Speaker 3: Jack.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing though, you and I were in a
Speaker 2: demonstration together. We both saw each other at a demonstration
Speaker 2: where the signage that was I think it was at
Speaker 2: a home on Homer Street had been to face. The
Speaker 2: signs of the faces of the hostages one day had
Speaker 2: been defaced. There probably was at least a thousand people
Speaker 2: maybe more at that dem It was a demonstration. It
Speaker 2: was a very quiet, peaceful demonstration, you know, the one
Speaker 2: I'm talking about. Jack, You have no idea if someone
Speaker 2: has a right to carry a gun, uh, and they
Speaker 2: choose to carry the gun, and they're permitted to carry
Speaker 2: the gun, they have.
Speaker 3: A right to do that, whether you like it or
Speaker 3: I like it.
Speaker 2: I assumed that there might have been people at that
Speaker 2: demonstration that day who had guns.
Speaker 3: But there was no violence. There was no it was
Speaker 3: it was peaceful.
Speaker 4: So had there been, they would have used the guns.
Speaker 4: You don't know that be there.
Speaker 3: And you don't know that, Jack, You just don't. You
Speaker 3: don't know that.
Speaker 2: We don't even know if this guy shot the guy
Speaker 2: intentionally of the gun discharge.
Speaker 4: There was actually kind of somewhat unintentional. The actual the victim,
Speaker 4: the guy who were I mean not the victim, but
Speaker 4: the shooter actually helped him, helped the victim, I don't
Speaker 4: know who the victim is anymore, but helped them with
Speaker 4: the wound. He's actually a good guy. Both of them
Speaker 4: are good guys. This thing is a very unfortunate thing,
Speaker 4: even anti defamationally and the Americans with a console and everybody,
Speaker 4: all the leadership. Caesars is an unfortunate thing on both
Speaker 4: sides and should never have happened, and it happened I
Speaker 4: think because of the gun.
Speaker 3: Well, again, I know your position on guns.
Speaker 2: I'm just simply trying to say to you is that
Speaker 2: the guns are still legal in Massachusetts, and if someone
Speaker 2: has the right to carry a gun, they have a right.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: They can't walk into a federal building with a gun.
Speaker 2: They can't get on an airplane with a gun. They
Speaker 2: can't go to Fenway Park. If you and I going
Speaker 2: to go to a Red Sox game, you got to
Speaker 2: leave your gun at home.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. You gotta go through a magnometer.
Speaker 2: So anyway, uh, Jack is always great to hear your voice.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Okay, all right, thank you. Let
Speaker 2: me get II Leen from Waltham in here. I lean,
Speaker 2: bring us back to the topic at hand, Go ahead, I.
Speaker 1: Lean, yeah, Dan, All we're so focused on guns. Guns
Speaker 1: are not of the violence the people are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I tend to agree, that's not my focus. If
Speaker 2: you if you ever write the carry a gun, uh
Speaker 2: right to carry wherever you want except places where it's prohibited.
Speaker 2: And it's not prohibited from the streets of Newton.
Speaker 1: So the violence, the violence, I mean the gun we
Speaker 1: focus on guns is if we if we get rid
Speaker 1: of guns, the violence in our society is going to disappear.
Speaker 1: That's a that's a total misconception. Agree with, total illusion.
Speaker 1: And secondly, if somebody comes flying across Washington Street towards
Speaker 1: me and jumps on me. I'm going to assume the
Speaker 1: guy is looney too, and he could do anything. You
Speaker 1: don't know, if you don't know if he has a gun,
Speaker 1: a knife or anything else or maybe.
Speaker 3: Well I've seen the video, and have you seen the guy.
Speaker 1: I know the streets very well.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't go flying across Washington Street like that.
Speaker 1: That's crazy any situation.
Speaker 3: I agree with it totally.
Speaker 1: So this person is kind of flying against you. I
Speaker 1: mean your first reaction is what what's this guy doing?
Speaker 1: And the second is, oh my god?
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, I mean this guy who got attacked, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying it's a good thing or gun went off, god knows,
Speaker 1: but he certainly was taken aback and probably somewhat scared
Speaker 1: and scared too.
Speaker 4: I don't know how.
Speaker 5: You don't know, You don't know who.
Speaker 1: This guy is, and people in in that kind of
Speaker 1: rage have an incredible amount of strength.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's a two sided issue.
Speaker 4: I mean it was.
Speaker 1: You know, it's the same thing you disagree with some
Speaker 1: fine sit down and have a cup of coffee with
Speaker 1: them and talk. Yeah, how many violent confrontations in this
Speaker 1: country would have been avoided, and instead of going after
Speaker 1: as the opposing I wouldn't say a put counter group,
Speaker 1: we brought them coffee and donuts and talked to them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean in Challengeville, if they if the anti I'm
Speaker 1: not bro by any stretch of measure white supremacy, and
Speaker 1: I'm not big on calling people names like that or
Speaker 1: any names either side of the issue. Instead of going
Speaker 1: after them, they're doing their peaceful protest. Don't go after
Speaker 1: them with baseball bets. Bring some coffee and donuts and
Speaker 1: talk to people. You might change a few people's minds.
Speaker 3: Not a bad idea, Not a bad idea.
Speaker 1: You know that actually is a group of people.
Speaker 6: That do that.
Speaker 1: Because my way is people that behave like that are
Speaker 1: probably themselves a little shall we say hurting.
Speaker 4: That.
Speaker 3: I think that's accurate. I'm not disagreeing with you at all.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think a lot of people who have
Speaker 1: that kind of feet inside them are just playing hurting.
Speaker 1: Who knows what their experiences have been in life that
Speaker 1: have generated that in them.
Speaker 3: Totally totally agree.
Speaker 1: Only God knows, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: Your voice of sanity tonight, as you generally.
Speaker 1: Are become and kind, that's all.
Speaker 2: That's not a bad formul Thanks, talk to you soon.
Speaker 2: We'll take a very quick break. I'll take a couple
Speaker 2: more calls on this. I'll probably switch at ten thirty.
Speaker 2: So if you want to get in and get in now,
Speaker 2: or I'm gonna switch at ten thirty. I want to
Speaker 2: talk about the Karen Reid case. That is now, I
Speaker 2: guess I'm going to get up to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 2: They are holding a hearing, may hold a hearing in
Speaker 2: what's called the gatekeeper statute. I can explain that. I
Speaker 2: think it's a very interesting case of first impression. We'll
Speaker 2: talk about that and then at eleven o'clock tonight. Today's
Speaker 2: Friday the thirteenth. There are still a lot of people,
Speaker 2: including me, who get a little jumpy at Friday the thirteenth.
Speaker 3: I'd love to know what your superstitions are.
Speaker 2: We'll be back. We'll do that tonight in the twentieth hour,
Speaker 2: coming back on nights Side.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan ray Mine from the Window World.
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Speaker 3: Okay, let's get a couple more calls in. Then we're
Speaker 3: going to switch topics. Let me go.
Speaker 2: Next to Antoine in Roussindale.
Speaker 3: Antoine, Welcome to Nightside. How are you.
Speaker 6: Hi? Good evening, How are you?
Speaker 3: I'm doing great?
Speaker 2: If I ever had the pleasure of your call before.
Speaker 2: Is this your first time calling?
Speaker 6: First time calling? A long time listeners.
Speaker 2: Digital Studio audience. Gerett ahead, Antoine your comment.
Speaker 6: Thank you boy. I just had an opinion on the
Speaker 6: case because I believe the problem in this state is
Speaker 6: we don't have to stand your ground law, okay. And
Speaker 6: also this person that ran towards the person I didn't
Speaker 6: hear anything about he was holding a weapon.
Speaker 2: Or didn't From everything that I've seen, he did not
Speaker 2: appear to be holding a weapon, but he was running
Speaker 2: directly at them and in a what I would characterize
Speaker 2: as a pretty menacing manner.
Speaker 6: That is true, but I believe, beyond a reasonable doubt,
Speaker 6: you would have to know that this intent was to
Speaker 6: take the life or someone else's life in order to
Speaker 6: justify lethal force.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're correct on that.
Speaker 2: Now, if the guy is knocked to the ground again,
Speaker 2: it depends upon the facts.
Speaker 3: If the guy is knocked to the ground.
Speaker 2: And he feels that this guy has the upper hand
Speaker 2: and might try to he's on cement now at this point,
Speaker 2: he could a reasonable person could have an apprehension the
Speaker 2: standard you use as a reasonable person standard could have
Speaker 2: a reasonable reasonable person standard could have a reasonable fear
Speaker 2: that this guy is about to, you.
Speaker 3: Know, smash his head on a sidewalk.
Speaker 2: So the circumstances, you know, he didn't have a gun
Speaker 2: from what we could see, didn't have a knife or
Speaker 2: anything like that. But you got to look at the
Speaker 2: facts of the case. And I don't know, frankly, what
Speaker 2: the facts are. I know that they're not fighting in
Speaker 2: a field. They're fighting on a street.
Speaker 6: Corner, right, correct, And I'm very familiar with that area.
Speaker 6: And I'm just following a case, and I follow a
Speaker 6: lot of cases, so I'll just be interested on seeing
Speaker 6: how this plays out, and I hope it plays out
Speaker 6: for both parties in each other's favor.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you. I mean, it's so unfortunate.
Speaker 2: If the fellow who is now in the hospital had
Speaker 2: just you know, made his comment and walked away or
Speaker 2: stayed on his side of the street, this this would
Speaker 2: not have gotten to this point.
Speaker 3: That's the problem.
Speaker 6: That's a million dollar question is what was this guy's
Speaker 6: intent when he ran across the street toward these people?
Speaker 6: And he can. We would only he only knows that
Speaker 6: in his head.
Speaker 2: He well, you also judge his actions, and he apparently
Speaker 2: immediately jumped on this guy and they both went to
Speaker 2: the ground.
Speaker 3: So if if you if.
Speaker 2: I'm standing there and you're come running at me as
Speaker 2: fast as you can and you hit me, We're probably
Speaker 2: both going down to the ground.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, right right?
Speaker 2: Hey, Edge one, thank you much for calling. I really
Speaker 2: appreciate We love new callers here. Thank you for listening.
Speaker 2: Become a regular, look forward to calling number two.
Speaker 6: Okay, thank you, thanks for having me. Have a good night.
Speaker 3: Thanks Antrewine, appreciate you listen. How old are you an?
Speaker 3: You're selling you young guy.
Speaker 6: I'm forty four years old.
Speaker 2: To me, Andrein, that's a real young guy, trust me.
Speaker 2: Thank you, my friend, have a great night.
Speaker 3: Good night. All right, let's well wrap this with my
Speaker 3: friend Ed from Worcester.
Speaker 1: Ed.
Speaker 3: You're a lawyer, your perspective on this case as even though.
Speaker 5: I guess for I had a couple of questions for you.
Speaker 5: Sure is this the kind of joy I can look
Speaker 5: forward to in the Kamala Harris administration. We're going to
Speaker 5: get more of this.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it is anything to do with
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris.
Speaker 5: Well, I don't. I thought you might say that. I
Speaker 5: have to say I don't agree with that because one
Speaker 5: of her surrogates, more Healy said during the twenty twenty riots,
Speaker 5: she said the way for hors grow is to burn,
Speaker 5: And to me, that was an endorsement of some illicit
Speaker 5: and violent activity. And I suspect this guy, you know,
Speaker 5: your collar Jack was vouching for him, but I suspect
Speaker 5: he has been indoctrinated to believe that words are violence,
Speaker 5: the words are actions.
Speaker 3: And by the way, I believe that she has rescinded
Speaker 3: that remark.
Speaker 5: I believe, well not it never should have been said,
Speaker 5: It never should have been and certainly absolutely right.
Speaker 2: I couldn't agree with you more, but I just want
Speaker 2: to put it in some you know, full context.
Speaker 5: Right, right, But the presidential the presidential nominee of the
Speaker 5: Democrats did support a bail fund for people who clearly
Speaker 5: had committed felonies, absolutely and has never really backed away
Speaker 5: from that, to my knowledge.
Speaker 3: Has not.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, go read the the A
Speaker 2: c l U which I'm reading the A c l
Speaker 2: U campaign. A survey that she filled out for the
Speaker 2: ACLU when she was running for president in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 2: pretty much.
Speaker 5: So that leads to my second question, which is, I'm
Speaker 5: kind of scratching my head. You know, why are we
Speaker 5: surprised by this? This is where it's goleading. I mean,
Speaker 5: this is where we're headed. This is we're going to
Speaker 5: get more of this.
Speaker 3: Well, I hope not. I fear you might be right.
Speaker 5: Oh I know, I'm right. I'm sure.
Speaker 4: I'm right.
Speaker 5: I'm certain I am. I mean, it can't be otherwise,
Speaker 5: because this is you know, the point is.
Speaker 2: You and I should have the right head to standard
Speaker 2: the street corner and hold a couple of signs and
Speaker 2: have a I call it a standout. These people are
Speaker 2: standing there expressing their opinion, which they have a right
Speaker 2: to do under the First Amendment. The guy who ran
Speaker 2: across the street not only to confront them, to assault them,
Speaker 2: he had no right.
Speaker 3: To do that. Okay, he didn't.
Speaker 2: He could stand across the street and yell at them
Speaker 2: and say you guys are jerks, or at whatever he
Speaker 2: wants to say.
Speaker 3: He's got a First Amendment.
Speaker 2: Right too, but he doesn't have a right to do
Speaker 2: what he did. Sadly, for him, he suffered, he suffered
Speaker 2: a pretty serious wound. Apparently he's going to survive, and
Speaker 2: a pretty serious gunshot wound.
Speaker 3: But yeah, this is not this is not the way
Speaker 3: it's supposed to be.
Speaker 5: Right, But the thing is, it's not the way it's
Speaker 5: supposed to be. But you saw the survey a week
Speaker 5: or so ago that said something like, I can't remember,
Speaker 5: it was high twenties or low thirty percent of young
Speaker 5: people think that they have the right to stifle or
Speaker 5: silence someone who was saying something they don't agree with.
Speaker 5: And then there was another sort of fifteen or twenty
Speaker 5: percent or at I wouldn't do it, but I wouldn't
Speaker 5: care if someone else did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, interesting enough, But you know, we have seen that
Speaker 3: on college campuses as late as this spring, and I
Speaker 3: suspect we'll see more of it this fall.
Speaker 2: And what happened to the axiom that you and I
Speaker 2: grew up with, which was I disagree with your opinion,
Speaker 2: but I will defend to the death your right to
Speaker 2: express your opinion.
Speaker 5: Well, i'll tell you what happened to it. When the
Speaker 5: political left is out of power, this is what they say.
Speaker 5: You have to respect our right to speak and our
Speaker 5: right to protest because that is in accord with your principles.
Speaker 5: That's what they say to people like you and me.
Speaker 5: But as soon as they get power over any institution
Speaker 5: or any political entity, they say, we're not going to
Speaker 5: respect your right to protest or dissent because that's that's
Speaker 5: what our principles are. That's what happened to it.
Speaker 3: I think that's a pretty good summary.
Speaker 5: Ed you better do that.
Speaker 2: We are pretty much on the same page politically and philosophically,
Speaker 2: and we're both attorneys and we we we we pride
Speaker 2: the First Amendment. Are there a lot of countries around
Speaker 2: the world, there's no such thing as the First Amendment
Speaker 2: in those countries are all dictatorships. We had the First
Speaker 2: Amendment in this country.
Speaker 5: And I think to you about six months ago when
Speaker 5: they said Bosting City Council voted down that brant for
Speaker 5: law enforcement fan, I said, I really think the most
Speaker 5: sensible thing at this point for this country is a
Speaker 5: national divorce because we just we're two different countries. We
Speaker 5: just don't see things in compatible terms.
Speaker 3: All do that in the early eighteen sixties.
Speaker 5: Well, I think you could do it amicably or not amicable.
Speaker 5: It's not amicably, at least peacefully.
Speaker 3: I hope not. I hope not.
Speaker 2: I have too many good friends of mine who still
Speaker 2: live in places like California.
Speaker 3: Ed, we'll see. Look, I love you calls.
Speaker 2: They're always challenging, and I appreciate your demeanor more than
Speaker 2: I can tell you.
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you my friend.
Speaker 5: Okay, Well, I love calling. I love listening to you.
Speaker 2: Thanks, pal, appreciate it. Talk So Eddie Worster a real
Speaker 2: good lawyer if you need one up in Moorster. Now
Speaker 2: we can back the Karen Reid defense team is taking
Speaker 2: her case to the Massachusetts Supreme Court, and I think
Speaker 2: they got a case.
Speaker 3: I really do.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure they're going to prevail, but I think
Speaker 2: they have a good argument. We'll be back on Night's
Speaker 2: side with that for the final half hour. So we're
Speaker 2: going to close off the Newton case. Everyone had a
Speaker 2: chance to speak on that. I want I will explain
Speaker 2: to Karen read effort to get her case immediately in
Speaker 2: front of the State Supreme Court. The argument is that
Speaker 2: the jury did meet, they came to two decisions. The
Speaker 2: judge never asked the question that should have been asked
Speaker 2: when they reported to the judge that the jury was hung.
Speaker 2: She should have asked, does that mean you're hung on
Speaker 2: all three issues or on some of the three issues?
Speaker 2: One or more of the three issues. That question was
Speaker 2: never asked. This is a case of first impression. The
Speaker 2: stakes are high. I think there is a double jeopardy issue.
Speaker 2: I'll explain it all if you guys know the case.
Speaker 2: Open up the full lines right now, Rob six, one, seven, two, five, four,
Speaker 2: ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty.
Speaker 2: We'll get to as many people as we can in
Speaker 2: the final half because we are in the twentieth hour
Speaker 2: at eleven o'clock tonight, going to talk about superstitions. What
Speaker 2: are your superstitions on this Friday the thirteenth, Coming back
Speaker 2: on Nightside