WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.000 --> 00:00:05.160 It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston. 2 00:00:06.919 --> 00:00:08.640 All right, for those of you who have just joined us, 3 00:00:08.679 --> 00:00:13.039 we're talking about a shooting yesterday that occurred during a 4 00:00:13.119 --> 00:00:17.559 peaceful pro Israel demonstration on Washington Street and Newton, not 5 00:00:17.719 --> 00:00:21.839 far from the Newton Police Department, I'd say three four blocks. 6 00:00:22.559 --> 00:00:24.760 There was an individual who was on the other. 7 00:00:24.640 --> 00:00:27.920 Side of Washington Street, who you've seen on the local 8 00:00:27.920 --> 00:00:33.520 TV stations tonight, rushed across the street. Basically, they had 9 00:00:33.560 --> 00:00:36.679 exchanged words. This guy was upset with the tone of 10 00:00:36.719 --> 00:00:39.880 the demonstration. They had exchanged. He had exchanged words, he 11 00:00:39.960 --> 00:00:43.359 decided to rush across the street. He jumped on an 12 00:00:43.359 --> 00:00:46.719 individual forty seven years old who apparently had a right 13 00:00:46.759 --> 00:00:50.880 to carry legally a firearm, and that firearm discharged. Whether 14 00:00:50.920 --> 00:00:55.719 he shot it or was discharged accidentally will be proven, 15 00:00:55.880 --> 00:00:58.320 you know, in the investigation, be shown to be to 16 00:00:58.520 --> 00:01:01.240 what happened. In the investigation. He's in the hospital with 17 00:01:01.280 --> 00:01:04.640 now non life threatening the person who care over an attack, 18 00:01:04.719 --> 00:01:09.000 the peaceful demonstrators in the hospital non life threatening injuries. 19 00:01:09.519 --> 00:01:12.879 The individual who was in the demonstration and who was 20 00:01:12.959 --> 00:01:16.239 jumped has been charged with assault and battery with a 21 00:01:16.319 --> 00:01:19.200 dangerous weapon. The gun as well as interfering with the 22 00:01:19.200 --> 00:01:22.239 constitutional rights of the guy that came over and jumped him. 23 00:01:22.480 --> 00:01:24.599 Now the guy that came over and jumped the group 24 00:01:24.719 --> 00:01:29.079 is also facing charges of assault and battery. So that's 25 00:01:29.159 --> 00:01:32.680 the story. It happened again in the middle of Newton. 26 00:01:34.799 --> 00:01:37.560 Just in the words of Rodney King, why can't we 27 00:01:37.640 --> 00:01:38.359 just get along. 28 00:01:38.519 --> 00:01:40.640 I'm gonna continue this for at least a couple of 29 00:01:40.640 --> 00:01:44.239 callers and then I'm going to switch topics. But folks 30 00:01:44.319 --> 00:01:48.000 kept stayed with us during the newscast, and as a 31 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:50.239 courtesy of them going to go to jack and Newton. 32 00:01:50.480 --> 00:01:53.400 Jackie left me a voicemail earlier today. I didn't call 33 00:01:53.439 --> 00:01:56.640 you back. I didn't give you concierge service, but I 34 00:01:56.680 --> 00:01:58.799 assume you knew I was gonna be dealing with this 35 00:01:58.920 --> 00:02:02.159 issue tonight. I wish it called earlier. 36 00:02:01.879 --> 00:02:03.760 Because I was. I was. I thought to myself, g 37 00:02:04.079 --> 00:02:06.439 you know, where's jack so here? You're here? Now, what 38 00:02:06.480 --> 00:02:07.599 are your thoughts? 39 00:02:08.080 --> 00:02:11.120 Well, it took place about a mile from the police station. 40 00:02:11.240 --> 00:02:15.080 It was down toward the marijuana store over on the 41 00:02:15.120 --> 00:02:18.439 way down there to the Circle of Death. But it 42 00:02:18.479 --> 00:02:22.439 wasn't really a demonstration or it was a presentation of 43 00:02:22.479 --> 00:02:26.199 signs over the mass Pike and this guy charged him 44 00:02:26.240 --> 00:02:28.479 and he did you know, what he did was wrong. 45 00:02:28.800 --> 00:02:31.479 You know, it was one guy. I actually talked to 46 00:02:32.680 --> 00:02:35.639 my male man who knows his father, who lives just 47 00:02:35.680 --> 00:02:40.240 a few blocks away from me and from the incident, 48 00:02:40.719 --> 00:02:43.240 and he's a nice guy. But he got teried away 49 00:02:43.319 --> 00:02:49.159 with the pro Palestinian you know, anti Israel, uh, you know, 50 00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:51.719 mood of the country or whatever. And he charged him 51 00:02:52.159 --> 00:02:54.879 and that was wrong and he'll be charged with that. 52 00:02:55.520 --> 00:02:57.879 But this he has been charged. 53 00:02:58.000 --> 00:03:01.840 Let me ask you. I thought they were on so 54 00:03:01.840 --> 00:03:04.719 so they were demonstrating over the turnpike. 55 00:03:06.080 --> 00:03:10.680 Of Harvard and Washington, which is over there their Trader 56 00:03:10.800 --> 00:03:14.800 Joe's or whatever, or by the what they call it 57 00:03:14.800 --> 00:03:18.800 the Green, the Central's or something that's a marijuana sho. Yeah, 58 00:03:19.639 --> 00:03:22.400 that's a small street called Harvard Street. They were just showing, 59 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:23.800 you know, holding science. 60 00:03:25.400 --> 00:03:27.039 I would I would call I would call it not 61 00:03:27.080 --> 00:03:29.319 so much a demonstration as what would would be called 62 00:03:29.319 --> 00:03:30.680 the standout. 63 00:03:30.520 --> 00:03:34.360 Political terms, it's called the presentation. Usually you're just showing science, they. 64 00:03:34.319 --> 00:03:36.479 Call it a standout. When when you have people with science, 65 00:03:36.479 --> 00:03:38.599 they call it a standout. But that doesn't matter. They 66 00:03:38.599 --> 00:03:41.879 were doing nothing wrong. They were not agitating anyone. 67 00:03:42.120 --> 00:03:45.560 But earlier than they were picked it in Congressman Ocean 68 00:03:45.599 --> 00:03:47.960 Closs's office. By the way, a lot of people don't 69 00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:48.520 know that either. 70 00:03:48.680 --> 00:03:50.639 Well, they have a right to do that as well. 71 00:03:50.719 --> 00:03:52.280 Right, so they had the right to do that. So 72 00:03:52.319 --> 00:03:54.960 it was wrong that this is the same group that 73 00:03:55.039 --> 00:03:59.240 broke up a non violent, you know, photographic display at 74 00:03:59.240 --> 00:04:02.680 the Newthal Light which was upset a lot of people, 75 00:04:02.680 --> 00:04:07.439 including many Jewish people. There was a peaceful presentation of 76 00:04:07.479 --> 00:04:10.680 photographs of Palestinians and this group. But you know, it's 77 00:04:10.719 --> 00:04:15.479 a very radical, you know, right wing Zionist group. I'm 78 00:04:15.479 --> 00:04:17.199 a left wing zion I. 79 00:04:17.079 --> 00:04:17.759 Will tell you this. 80 00:04:18.079 --> 00:04:23.519 The people who the reporters interviewed today who were there, 81 00:04:24.360 --> 00:04:27.240 did not seem to me to be radical. They seem 82 00:04:27.319 --> 00:04:31.680 to be They seem to be pretty normal. They look 83 00:04:31.759 --> 00:04:34.720 to me like very normal residents of the town in 84 00:04:34.759 --> 00:04:35.680 which we both live. 85 00:04:36.439 --> 00:04:39.959 Yeah, well, if you rile them, if you go after them, 86 00:04:40.120 --> 00:04:42.720 you know they'll stamp you. I've been fighting these groups. 87 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:46.879 Well again, you know, I take your word for it. 88 00:04:46.920 --> 00:04:47.480 I don't know. 89 00:04:47.519 --> 00:04:49.160 All I can tell you is I did you see 90 00:04:49.160 --> 00:04:50.800 the newscast tonight by any chance or no. 91 00:04:51.560 --> 00:04:54.000 No, No, I saw the newscast. I was down at 92 00:04:54.040 --> 00:04:57.519 the hearing. I was at the courthouse. Oh really, okay, 93 00:04:57.680 --> 00:05:01.160 I was there. What I'm say saying is that you 94 00:05:01.199 --> 00:05:06.279 should not bring guns to peaceful demonstrations. On both sides. 95 00:05:06.319 --> 00:05:09.439 It's a great danger to either side and to the police. 96 00:05:09.920 --> 00:05:11.959 I think the police were very upset that there were 97 00:05:12.000 --> 00:05:15.240 guns there. They have never in all the demonstrations in 98 00:05:15.360 --> 00:05:19.160 Newton by this group, they've never had guns before. The 99 00:05:19.240 --> 00:05:24.680 Palestinians who had demonstrations, they don't have guns. No, I think. 100 00:05:25.240 --> 00:05:25.480 Jack. 101 00:05:25.519 --> 00:05:27.920 Here's the thing though, you and I were in a 102 00:05:27.959 --> 00:05:33.279 demonstration together. We both saw each other at a demonstration 103 00:05:33.399 --> 00:05:37.839 where the signage that was I think it was at 104 00:05:37.839 --> 00:05:40.759 a home on Homer Street had been to face. The 105 00:05:41.240 --> 00:05:45.800 signs of the faces of the hostages one day had 106 00:05:45.800 --> 00:05:49.639 been defaced. There probably was at least a thousand people 107 00:05:49.759 --> 00:05:52.120 maybe more at that dem It was a demonstration. It 108 00:05:52.199 --> 00:05:55.000 was a very quiet, peaceful demonstration, you know, the one 109 00:05:55.040 --> 00:05:58.519 I'm talking about. Jack, You have no idea if someone 110 00:05:58.560 --> 00:06:01.720 has a right to carry a gun, uh, and they 111 00:06:01.800 --> 00:06:04.240 choose to carry the gun, and they're permitted to carry 112 00:06:04.240 --> 00:06:05.560 the gun, they have. 113 00:06:05.560 --> 00:06:08.120 A right to do that, whether you like it or 114 00:06:08.240 --> 00:06:08.920 I like it. 115 00:06:09.519 --> 00:06:11.360 I assumed that there might have been people at that 116 00:06:11.439 --> 00:06:13.560 demonstration that day who had guns. 117 00:06:13.319 --> 00:06:16.639 But there was no violence. There was no it was 118 00:06:16.759 --> 00:06:17.560 it was peaceful. 119 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:23.639 So had there been, they would have used the guns. 120 00:06:23.920 --> 00:06:27.439 You don't know that be there. 121 00:06:27.480 --> 00:06:30.279 And you don't know that, Jack, You just don't. You 122 00:06:30.360 --> 00:06:30.759 don't know that. 123 00:06:30.839 --> 00:06:32.600 We don't even know if this guy shot the guy 124 00:06:32.680 --> 00:06:35.040 intentionally of the gun discharge. 125 00:06:35.959 --> 00:06:41.199 There was actually kind of somewhat unintentional. The actual the victim, 126 00:06:41.240 --> 00:06:43.319 the guy who were I mean not the victim, but 127 00:06:43.360 --> 00:06:47.519 the shooter actually helped him, helped the victim, I don't 128 00:06:47.519 --> 00:06:51.279 know who the victim is anymore, but helped them with 129 00:06:51.360 --> 00:06:54.160 the wound. He's actually a good guy. Both of them 130 00:06:54.160 --> 00:06:57.399 are good guys. This thing is a very unfortunate thing, 131 00:06:57.439 --> 00:07:02.199 even anti defamationally and the Americans with a console and everybody, 132 00:07:02.399 --> 00:07:05.120 all the leadership. Caesars is an unfortunate thing on both 133 00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:07.839 sides and should never have happened, and it happened I 134 00:07:07.839 --> 00:07:08.920 think because of the gun. 135 00:07:09.680 --> 00:07:11.959 Well, again, I know your position on guns. 136 00:07:12.720 --> 00:07:15.279 I'm just simply trying to say to you is that 137 00:07:15.279 --> 00:07:18.639 the guns are still legal in Massachusetts, and if someone 138 00:07:18.839 --> 00:07:22.120 has the right to carry a gun, they have a right. 139 00:07:22.279 --> 00:07:22.439 Now. 140 00:07:22.480 --> 00:07:24.879 They can't walk into a federal building with a gun. 141 00:07:24.920 --> 00:07:26.879 They can't get on an airplane with a gun. They 142 00:07:26.959 --> 00:07:28.680 can't go to Fenway Park. If you and I going 143 00:07:28.759 --> 00:07:30.839 to go to a Red Sox game, you got to 144 00:07:30.920 --> 00:07:31.759 leave your gun at home. 145 00:07:31.800 --> 00:07:33.839 You know what I'm saying. You gotta go through a magnometer. 146 00:07:33.920 --> 00:07:37.319 So anyway, uh, Jack is always great to hear your voice. 147 00:07:37.319 --> 00:07:39.879 Thank you so much. Okay, all right, thank you. Let 148 00:07:39.920 --> 00:07:42.800 me get II Leen from Waltham in here. I lean, 149 00:07:42.839 --> 00:07:44.839 bring us back to the topic at hand, Go ahead, I. 150 00:07:44.839 --> 00:07:51.800 Lean, yeah, Dan, All we're so focused on guns. Guns 151 00:07:51.800 --> 00:07:53.800 are not of the violence the people are. 152 00:07:54.319 --> 00:07:58.920 Yeah, I tend to agree, that's not my focus. If 153 00:07:58.959 --> 00:08:01.839 you if you ever write the carry a gun, uh 154 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:06.399 right to carry wherever you want except places where it's prohibited. 155 00:08:06.399 --> 00:08:09.199 And it's not prohibited from the streets of Newton. 156 00:08:09.839 --> 00:08:12.959 So the violence, the violence, I mean the gun we 157 00:08:13.040 --> 00:08:15.079 focus on guns is if we if we get rid 158 00:08:15.079 --> 00:08:17.639 of guns, the violence in our society is going to disappear. 159 00:08:18.720 --> 00:08:23.120 That's a that's a total misconception. Agree with, total illusion. 160 00:08:23.480 --> 00:08:27.920 And secondly, if somebody comes flying across Washington Street towards 161 00:08:27.959 --> 00:08:30.600 me and jumps on me. I'm going to assume the 162 00:08:30.600 --> 00:08:33.799 guy is looney too, and he could do anything. You 163 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:35.399 don't know, if you don't know if he has a gun, 164 00:08:35.399 --> 00:08:37.120 a knife or anything else or maybe. 165 00:08:36.840 --> 00:08:39.360 Well I've seen the video, and have you seen the guy. 166 00:08:42.159 --> 00:08:43.279 I know the streets very well. 167 00:08:43.360 --> 00:08:43.600 Yeah. 168 00:08:43.720 --> 00:08:47.240 I mean, you don't go flying across Washington Street like that. 169 00:08:47.240 --> 00:08:49.480 That's crazy any situation. 170 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:51.440 I agree with it totally. 171 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:54.559 So this person is kind of flying against you. I 172 00:08:54.600 --> 00:08:57.320 mean your first reaction is what what's this guy doing? 173 00:08:58.320 --> 00:08:59.759 And the second is, oh my god? 174 00:09:00.600 --> 00:09:03.399 Yeah. Yeah. 175 00:09:03.440 --> 00:09:05.919 So, I mean this guy who got attacked, I'm not 176 00:09:05.960 --> 00:09:08.000 saying it's a good thing or gun went off, god knows, 177 00:09:08.840 --> 00:09:13.480 but he certainly was taken aback and probably somewhat scared 178 00:09:13.559 --> 00:09:14.600 and scared too. 179 00:09:17.480 --> 00:09:18.440 I don't know how. 180 00:09:18.480 --> 00:09:19.840 You don't know, You don't know who. 181 00:09:19.639 --> 00:09:23.399 This guy is, and people in in that kind of 182 00:09:23.519 --> 00:09:26.159 rage have an incredible amount of strength. 183 00:09:26.799 --> 00:09:27.720 Yeah. 184 00:09:29.279 --> 00:09:31.080 So it's a two sided issue. 185 00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:33.159 I mean it was. 186 00:09:33.519 --> 00:09:35.879 You know, it's the same thing you disagree with some 187 00:09:36.039 --> 00:09:37.879 fine sit down and have a cup of coffee with 188 00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:42.080 them and talk. Yeah, how many violent confrontations in this 189 00:09:42.120 --> 00:09:45.759 country would have been avoided, and instead of going after 190 00:09:46.279 --> 00:09:49.799 as the opposing I wouldn't say a put counter group, 191 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:55.000 we brought them coffee and donuts and talked to them. Yeah, 192 00:09:55.120 --> 00:09:59.519 I mean in Challengeville, if they if the anti I'm 193 00:09:59.519 --> 00:10:03.159 not bro by any stretch of measure white supremacy, and 194 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:06.080 I'm not big on calling people names like that or 195 00:10:06.120 --> 00:10:10.200 any names either side of the issue. Instead of going 196 00:10:10.279 --> 00:10:12.919 after them, they're doing their peaceful protest. Don't go after 197 00:10:12.960 --> 00:10:16.360 them with baseball bets. Bring some coffee and donuts and 198 00:10:16.399 --> 00:10:19.320 talk to people. You might change a few people's minds. 199 00:10:19.919 --> 00:10:22.039 Not a bad idea, Not a bad idea. 200 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:23.960 You know that actually is a group of people. 201 00:10:23.759 --> 00:10:24.320 That do that. 202 00:10:24.759 --> 00:10:27.840 Because my way is people that behave like that are 203 00:10:27.879 --> 00:10:32.639 probably themselves a little shall we say hurting. 204 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:35.399 That. 205 00:10:35.720 --> 00:10:38.559 I think that's accurate. I'm not disagreeing with you at all. 206 00:10:39.039 --> 00:10:40.879 I mean, I think a lot of people who have 207 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:44.279 that kind of feet inside them are just playing hurting. 208 00:10:44.720 --> 00:10:47.639 Who knows what their experiences have been in life that 209 00:10:47.720 --> 00:10:52.039 have generated that in them. 210 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:53.360 Totally totally agree. 211 00:10:54.279 --> 00:10:55.559 Only God knows, that's for sure. 212 00:10:55.919 --> 00:10:59.559 Your voice of sanity tonight, as you generally. 213 00:10:59.200 --> 00:11:03.360 Are become and kind, that's all. 214 00:11:03.879 --> 00:11:06.720 That's not a bad formul Thanks, talk to you soon. 215 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:09.840 We'll take a very quick break. I'll take a couple 216 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:12.039 more calls on this. I'll probably switch at ten thirty. 217 00:11:12.120 --> 00:11:13.559 So if you want to get in and get in now, 218 00:11:14.080 --> 00:11:15.679 or I'm gonna switch at ten thirty. I want to 219 00:11:15.679 --> 00:11:18.879 talk about the Karen Reid case. That is now, I 220 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:21.679 guess I'm going to get up to the Supreme Court. 221 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:24.559 They are holding a hearing, may hold a hearing in 222 00:11:24.679 --> 00:11:28.840 what's called the gatekeeper statute. I can explain that. I 223 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:32.279 think it's a very interesting case of first impression. We'll 224 00:11:32.279 --> 00:11:35.440 talk about that and then at eleven o'clock tonight. Today's 225 00:11:35.480 --> 00:11:38.799 Friday the thirteenth. There are still a lot of people, 226 00:11:38.840 --> 00:11:42.559 including me, who get a little jumpy at Friday the thirteenth. 227 00:11:42.600 --> 00:11:44.399 I'd love to know what your superstitions are. 228 00:11:44.440 --> 00:11:46.519 We'll be back. We'll do that tonight in the twentieth hour, 229 00:11:46.559 --> 00:11:47.679 coming back on nights Side. 230 00:11:48.279 --> 00:11:51.480 Now back to Dan ray Mine from the Window World. 231 00:11:51.399 --> 00:11:54.519 Night Side Studios on WBZ the news Radio. 232 00:11:55.279 --> 00:11:57.200 Okay, let's get a couple more calls in. Then we're 233 00:11:57.200 --> 00:11:58.679 going to switch topics. Let me go. 234 00:11:58.639 --> 00:12:02.000 Next to Antoine in Roussindale. 235 00:12:02.039 --> 00:12:03.919 Antoine, Welcome to Nightside. How are you. 236 00:12:05.399 --> 00:12:06.879 Hi? Good evening, How are you? 237 00:12:07.440 --> 00:12:08.159 I'm doing great? 238 00:12:08.279 --> 00:12:10.480 If I ever had the pleasure of your call before. 239 00:12:10.639 --> 00:12:11.639 Is this your first time calling? 240 00:12:12.559 --> 00:12:19.559 First time calling? A long time listeners. 241 00:12:17.279 --> 00:12:21.039 Digital Studio audience. Gerett ahead, Antoine your comment. 242 00:12:21.519 --> 00:12:23.440 Thank you boy. I just had an opinion on the 243 00:12:23.519 --> 00:12:27.840 case because I believe the problem in this state is 244 00:12:27.919 --> 00:12:32.200 we don't have to stand your ground law, okay. And 245 00:12:32.360 --> 00:12:39.080 also this person that ran towards the person I didn't 246 00:12:39.080 --> 00:12:41.639 hear anything about he was holding a weapon. 247 00:12:41.799 --> 00:12:45.720 Or didn't From everything that I've seen, he did not 248 00:12:45.759 --> 00:12:48.000 appear to be holding a weapon, but he was running 249 00:12:48.559 --> 00:12:51.559 directly at them and in a what I would characterize 250 00:12:51.559 --> 00:12:53.279 as a pretty menacing manner. 251 00:12:55.360 --> 00:12:58.200 That is true, but I believe, beyond a reasonable doubt, 252 00:12:58.279 --> 00:13:01.360 you would have to know that this intent was to 253 00:13:01.399 --> 00:13:05.039 take the life or someone else's life in order to 254 00:13:05.279 --> 00:13:07.000 justify lethal force. 255 00:13:07.480 --> 00:13:08.759 Yeah, you're correct on that. 256 00:13:09.320 --> 00:13:12.240 Now, if the guy is knocked to the ground again, 257 00:13:12.279 --> 00:13:13.600 it depends upon the facts. 258 00:13:13.679 --> 00:13:16.120 If the guy is knocked to the ground. 259 00:13:16.320 --> 00:13:19.639 And he feels that this guy has the upper hand 260 00:13:19.679 --> 00:13:22.399 and might try to he's on cement now at this point, 261 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:26.120 he could a reasonable person could have an apprehension the 262 00:13:26.159 --> 00:13:29.320 standard you use as a reasonable person standard could have 263 00:13:29.360 --> 00:13:34.000 a reasonable reasonable person standard could have a reasonable fear 264 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:36.679 that this guy is about to, you. 265 00:13:36.600 --> 00:13:38.399 Know, smash his head on a sidewalk. 266 00:13:38.480 --> 00:13:42.200 So the circumstances, you know, he didn't have a gun 267 00:13:42.240 --> 00:13:44.000 from what we could see, didn't have a knife or 268 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:47.720 anything like that. But you got to look at the 269 00:13:47.720 --> 00:13:50.399 facts of the case. And I don't know, frankly, what 270 00:13:50.440 --> 00:13:52.360 the facts are. I know that they're not fighting in 271 00:13:52.399 --> 00:13:54.039 a field. They're fighting on a street. 272 00:13:53.799 --> 00:13:58.720 Corner, right, correct, And I'm very familiar with that area. 273 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:02.919 And I'm just following a case, and I follow a 274 00:14:02.960 --> 00:14:05.919 lot of cases, so I'll just be interested on seeing 275 00:14:05.960 --> 00:14:08.399 how this plays out, and I hope it plays out 276 00:14:08.440 --> 00:14:11.000 for both parties in each other's favor. 277 00:14:11.559 --> 00:14:15.440 Yeah, I agree with you. I mean, it's so unfortunate. 278 00:14:15.960 --> 00:14:19.360 If the fellow who is now in the hospital had 279 00:14:19.519 --> 00:14:22.879 just you know, made his comment and walked away or 280 00:14:22.919 --> 00:14:26.279 stayed on his side of the street, this this would 281 00:14:26.279 --> 00:14:27.519 not have gotten to this point. 282 00:14:27.759 --> 00:14:28.440 That's the problem. 283 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:31.559 That's a million dollar question is what was this guy's 284 00:14:31.600 --> 00:14:35.399 intent when he ran across the street toward these people? 285 00:14:35.919 --> 00:14:39.639 And he can. We would only he only knows that 286 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:40.279 in his head. 287 00:14:40.720 --> 00:14:43.519 He well, you also judge his actions, and he apparently 288 00:14:43.879 --> 00:14:46.200 immediately jumped on this guy and they both went to 289 00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:46.679 the ground. 290 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:48.759 So if if you if. 291 00:14:48.679 --> 00:14:51.120 I'm standing there and you're come running at me as 292 00:14:51.159 --> 00:14:53.720 fast as you can and you hit me, We're probably 293 00:14:53.799 --> 00:14:54.960 both going down to the ground. 294 00:14:55.039 --> 00:14:57.399 You know what I'm saying, right right? 295 00:14:59.240 --> 00:15:01.320 Hey, Edge one, thank you much for calling. I really 296 00:15:01.360 --> 00:15:04.759 appreciate We love new callers here. Thank you for listening. 297 00:15:04.840 --> 00:15:06.960 Become a regular, look forward to calling number two. 298 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:10.320 Okay, thank you, thanks for having me. Have a good night. 299 00:15:10.600 --> 00:15:12.639 Thanks Antrewine, appreciate you listen. How old are you an? 300 00:15:12.919 --> 00:15:13.960 You're selling you young guy. 301 00:15:14.720 --> 00:15:16.120 I'm forty four years old. 302 00:15:16.639 --> 00:15:20.279 To me, Andrein, that's a real young guy, trust me. 303 00:15:21.120 --> 00:15:22.440 Thank you, my friend, have a great night. 304 00:15:22.559 --> 00:15:25.399 Good night. All right, let's well wrap this with my 305 00:15:25.720 --> 00:15:27.279 friend Ed from Worcester. 306 00:15:27.639 --> 00:15:27.679 Ed. 307 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:32.279 You're a lawyer, your perspective on this case as even though. 308 00:15:32.120 --> 00:15:37.240 I guess for I had a couple of questions for you. 309 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:41.240 Sure is this the kind of joy I can look 310 00:15:41.279 --> 00:15:44.799 forward to in the Kamala Harris administration. We're going to 311 00:15:44.879 --> 00:15:45.360 get more of this. 312 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:47.519 I don't know if it is anything to do with 313 00:15:47.559 --> 00:15:48.639 Kamala Harris. 314 00:15:49.320 --> 00:15:51.759 Well, I don't. I thought you might say that. I 315 00:15:51.799 --> 00:15:53.759 have to say I don't agree with that because one 316 00:15:53.799 --> 00:15:58.879 of her surrogates, more Healy said during the twenty twenty riots, 317 00:15:59.039 --> 00:16:01.799 she said the way for hors grow is to burn, 318 00:16:03.399 --> 00:16:06.960 And to me, that was an endorsement of some illicit 319 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:11.200 and violent activity. And I suspect this guy, you know, 320 00:16:11.679 --> 00:16:14.879 your collar Jack was vouching for him, but I suspect 321 00:16:14.919 --> 00:16:18.000 he has been indoctrinated to believe that words are violence, 322 00:16:18.799 --> 00:16:19.840 the words are actions. 323 00:16:20.360 --> 00:16:25.039 And by the way, I believe that she has rescinded 324 00:16:25.080 --> 00:16:25.799 that remark. 325 00:16:26.080 --> 00:16:30.799 I believe, well not it never should have been said, 326 00:16:31.120 --> 00:16:34.559 It never should have been and certainly absolutely right. 327 00:16:34.600 --> 00:16:36.240 I couldn't agree with you more, but I just want 328 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:38.519 to put it in some you know, full context. 329 00:16:38.480 --> 00:16:42.919 Right, right, But the presidential the presidential nominee of the 330 00:16:42.960 --> 00:16:47.360 Democrats did support a bail fund for people who clearly 331 00:16:47.360 --> 00:16:51.440 had committed felonies, absolutely and has never really backed away 332 00:16:51.480 --> 00:16:53.279 from that, to my knowledge. 333 00:16:53.080 --> 00:16:53.559 Has not. 334 00:16:53.799 --> 00:16:56.399 As a matter of fact, go read the the A 335 00:16:56.519 --> 00:16:58.559 c l U which I'm reading the A c l 336 00:16:58.759 --> 00:17:03.919 U campaign. A survey that she filled out for the 337 00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:07.240 ACLU when she was running for president in twenty nineteen, 338 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:07.720 pretty much. 339 00:17:08.440 --> 00:17:10.519 So that leads to my second question, which is, I'm 340 00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:12.680 kind of scratching my head. You know, why are we 341 00:17:12.799 --> 00:17:16.359 surprised by this? This is where it's goleading. I mean, 342 00:17:16.400 --> 00:17:18.240 this is where we're headed. This is we're going to 343 00:17:18.279 --> 00:17:18.960 get more of this. 344 00:17:20.240 --> 00:17:22.200 Well, I hope not. I fear you might be right. 345 00:17:23.279 --> 00:17:25.079 Oh I know, I'm right. I'm sure. 346 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:25.519 I'm right. 347 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:29.160 I'm certain I am. I mean, it can't be otherwise, 348 00:17:29.240 --> 00:17:32.519 because this is you know, the point is. 349 00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:34.799 You and I should have the right head to standard 350 00:17:34.839 --> 00:17:38.119 the street corner and hold a couple of signs and 351 00:17:38.400 --> 00:17:40.759 have a I call it a standout. These people are 352 00:17:40.799 --> 00:17:44.000 standing there expressing their opinion, which they have a right 353 00:17:44.039 --> 00:17:46.119 to do under the First Amendment. The guy who ran 354 00:17:46.160 --> 00:17:49.279 across the street not only to confront them, to assault them, 355 00:17:49.279 --> 00:17:50.079 he had no right. 356 00:17:49.960 --> 00:17:51.720 To do that. Okay, he didn't. 357 00:17:52.160 --> 00:17:54.039 He could stand across the street and yell at them 358 00:17:54.039 --> 00:17:56.000 and say you guys are jerks, or at whatever he 359 00:17:56.039 --> 00:17:56.599 wants to say. 360 00:17:56.680 --> 00:17:58.039 He's got a First Amendment. 361 00:17:57.759 --> 00:18:00.200 Right too, but he doesn't have a right to do 362 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:04.319 what he did. Sadly, for him, he suffered, he suffered 363 00:18:04.559 --> 00:18:07.960 a pretty serious wound. Apparently he's going to survive, and 364 00:18:08.039 --> 00:18:09.559 a pretty serious gunshot wound. 365 00:18:10.359 --> 00:18:14.839 But yeah, this is not this is not the way 366 00:18:14.880 --> 00:18:15.680 it's supposed to be. 367 00:18:16.759 --> 00:18:18.279 Right, But the thing is, it's not the way it's 368 00:18:18.279 --> 00:18:21.000 supposed to be. But you saw the survey a week 369 00:18:21.119 --> 00:18:23.319 or so ago that said something like, I can't remember, 370 00:18:23.359 --> 00:18:27.359 it was high twenties or low thirty percent of young 371 00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:30.599 people think that they have the right to stifle or 372 00:18:30.640 --> 00:18:34.519 silence someone who was saying something they don't agree with. 373 00:18:34.880 --> 00:18:36.960 And then there was another sort of fifteen or twenty 374 00:18:36.960 --> 00:18:39.039 percent or at I wouldn't do it, but I wouldn't 375 00:18:39.079 --> 00:18:40.039 care if someone else did. 376 00:18:40.440 --> 00:18:45.480 Yeah, interesting enough, But you know, we have seen that 377 00:18:45.680 --> 00:18:48.240 on college campuses as late as this spring, and I 378 00:18:48.319 --> 00:18:50.279 suspect we'll see more of it this fall. 379 00:18:51.160 --> 00:18:54.599 And what happened to the axiom that you and I 380 00:18:54.640 --> 00:18:58.559 grew up with, which was I disagree with your opinion, 381 00:18:58.680 --> 00:19:01.559 but I will defend to the death your right to 382 00:19:01.640 --> 00:19:02.640 express your opinion. 383 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:06.599 Well, i'll tell you what happened to it. When the 384 00:19:06.640 --> 00:19:10.640 political left is out of power, this is what they say. 385 00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:14.039 You have to respect our right to speak and our 386 00:19:14.119 --> 00:19:18.079 right to protest because that is in accord with your principles. 387 00:19:18.160 --> 00:19:19.799 That's what they say to people like you and me. 388 00:19:20.359 --> 00:19:23.559 But as soon as they get power over any institution 389 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:26.720 or any political entity, they say, we're not going to 390 00:19:26.759 --> 00:19:30.720 respect your right to protest or dissent because that's that's 391 00:19:30.759 --> 00:19:33.359 what our principles are. That's what happened to it. 392 00:19:34.079 --> 00:19:35.440 I think that's a pretty good summary. 393 00:19:35.599 --> 00:19:38.000 Ed you better do that. 394 00:19:38.119 --> 00:19:41.519 We are pretty much on the same page politically and philosophically, 395 00:19:41.599 --> 00:19:45.920 and we're both attorneys and we we we we pride 396 00:19:46.279 --> 00:19:48.759 the First Amendment. Are there a lot of countries around 397 00:19:48.799 --> 00:19:51.160 the world, there's no such thing as the First Amendment 398 00:19:51.200 --> 00:19:54.240 in those countries are all dictatorships. We had the First 399 00:19:54.240 --> 00:19:55.799 Amendment in this country. 400 00:19:55.559 --> 00:19:58.599 And I think to you about six months ago when 401 00:19:58.640 --> 00:20:02.200