Speaker 1: Welcome, dear listener, and thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2: And I'm Stephen and this is a podcast all about
Speaker 2: the weird and wonderful world of the dark comedy anthology
Speaker 2: series Inside number nine.
Speaker 1: On each episode, we'll be diving into another one of
Speaker 1: Steve Pemberton and Reese Sheresmith's twisted tales, putting it under
Speaker 1: a lens and examining it within an inch of its life.
Speaker 2: So make yourself comfortable, grab a cup of tea and
Speaker 2: join us for the ninth degree. Hello, Hellollo, welcome back.
Speaker 2: How are you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm all right once again. I've come to this
Speaker 1: with nothing exciting to say.
Speaker 2: No, no, it's not been a very fun week, has it.
Speaker 3: Well, no, it hasn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're just for I don't want to know
Speaker 2: when the hell.
Speaker 3: This will go out, but oh ages away just after.
Speaker 2: The elections, so it's a happy time in the UK.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's quite depressing, isn't it.
Speaker 2: M As far as Trump, there's all these things, it's
Speaker 2: so sad.
Speaker 1: It is very sad. Yeah. I said to you though
Speaker 1: the day, deny if this is an indication of what's
Speaker 1: to come, and I have to find myself here in
Speaker 1: the words prime Minister Nigel Farage, I'm going to be
Speaker 1: physically sick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's not like they've even got that many votes. Really,
Speaker 2: it's just where they'd land and did they never talk
Speaker 2: about that. It's just where the boundaries and constituents are.
Speaker 1: And I would say it's worse in America, but if
Speaker 1: that's true anymore, they.
Speaker 2: Do seem to redraw the boundaries a little bit more there,
Speaker 2: but they do. Yeah, and you can't have freedom and
Speaker 2: Jerrymander at the same time, Like it just really annoys me.
Speaker 2: But anyway, I.
Speaker 3: Shouldn't get anyway, this is not.
Speaker 2: A no sorry have you been not to anything else exciting?
Speaker 1: Well, actually segueing from that time recording our last Night
Speaker 1: of the Problems episode just came out, so actually quite
Speaker 1: appropriate in some ways to that, And yeah, I thought
Speaker 1: I'd throw caution to the wind and actually do a
Speaker 1: poll of listeners and see who prefers Jam first or
Speaker 1: Cream first, but also whether you voted remain or leave.
Speaker 3: It was a correlation, and what was that?
Speaker 2: What was the what was them?
Speaker 3: I on this There was not a correlation.
Speaker 1: We have some graphs as there probably wouldn't be, but
Speaker 1: the overall winner was Jam first remain, So okay, I
Speaker 1: was happy with both of those decisions. But yes, won't
Speaker 1: comment further on that just in case gets me into trouble.
Speaker 2: But yeah, which I have viewership dropped between Cornwall and Anyway.
Speaker 1: So at the time of this going out, you'll have
Speaker 1: heard our episode on Nine Lives Cat and I wonder
Speaker 1: if you spotted our hair did it was?
Speaker 2: Why is owl?
Speaker 1: I have a message to read out and this one
Speaker 1: comes from owlsome on Twitter from who Owlsome?
Speaker 2: Oh okay and why's alsam got in touch? Thanks for
Speaker 2: our listener, Alsome for providing a segue in there for it.
Speaker 3: Yes that was Oh yeah, we can use that capitalize
Speaker 3: on you, so thank you.
Speaker 1: Listen that for another one this week.
Speaker 2: Indeed, while we discuss series seven, episode four, Kidnap, Shane
Speaker 2: and Clifford have a plan to abduct the wife of
Speaker 2: a wealthy hedge fund man Shane, Shane and Clifford have
Speaker 2: a plan to abduct the wife of a healthy of
Speaker 2: a healthy going well is it? Shane and Clifford have
Speaker 2: a plan to abduct the wife of a wealthy hedge
Speaker 2: fund manager. If you won't pay them the money, they'll
Speaker 2: sniffer ears off to prove their mean business. Everything in
Speaker 2: the plan depends on everyone playing their part right to
Speaker 2: the end. Totally fool proof, isn't it.
Speaker 1: This is like, you know, if you've ever been to
Speaker 1: a sitcom recording, but when something takes so many takes
Speaker 1: and then the final one gets a big round of applause,
Speaker 1: the number of takes you to do that.
Speaker 2: I really should read these in advance. I claim I
Speaker 2: like the spontaneity.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, what do you think about Kidnap?
Speaker 2: It was? It was really I really enjoyed it. I
Speaker 2: couldn't really remember. I remember having a twist obviously, but
Speaker 2: I couldn't remember really what it was because it's been
Speaker 2: quite a while since I've watched this. Mm hmmm, Yeah
Speaker 2: I was. I was pleasantly surprised it was. I really
Speaker 2: enjoyed it, how about you?
Speaker 1: For me, it was one of those ones that first
Speaker 1: time I watched it, I was a bit like, oh mah,
Speaker 1: But then having sort of watched it again several times,
Speaker 1: is grown on me each time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not a serious one, but it's just one
Speaker 2: of the fun ones. Yeah, and it's another one with
Speaker 2: a bit of a gimmick, which I quite enjoy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is quite clever.
Speaker 1: Really. Yeah, the split screen, I mean, the whole, the whole,
Speaker 1: the way the whole thing's shot and editor together is
Speaker 1: really clever.
Speaker 2: Yeah. They go on in the podcast about how this
Speaker 2: was the episode that they never thought they'd be able
Speaker 2: to make, just because of how much of an night
Speaker 2: where it is a bit like cold comfort, having all
Speaker 2: these scenes that overlap, but making the timing work and
Speaker 2: the same with sort of thinking out loud that you
Speaker 2: have to cut all these scenes separately that are one
Speaker 2: takes largely and know that the episode's going to run correctly,
Speaker 2: Like you've got some scenes in this where it's three
Speaker 2: different long single takes that have to all overlap over
Speaker 2: each other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is clever.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I maybe you can tell me having listened
Speaker 1: to the podcast, but I was wondering if some of
Speaker 1: it was like you know, when you've got Reese in
Speaker 1: the office on the phone and then them in the house,
Speaker 1: Like was that done in real time with them round
Speaker 1: the corner from each other?
Speaker 2: No? Oh wow, it was all on separately.
Speaker 1: So that, yeah, that must be a challenge.
Speaker 2: They did hope that, like in an ideal world where
Speaker 2: money's not a problem, they'd be able to build the
Speaker 2: sets nearby and yeah, run the scene all at once,
Speaker 2: but no, but.
Speaker 3: They love a challenge. Hmmm.
Speaker 1: I think the whole split screen thing is is best
Speaker 1: summed up in the just the opening section, isn't it,
Speaker 1: with the morning routines and yeah, the complete contrast, but
Speaker 1: they somehow sort of fit together as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's so cool that opening scene. It's it's gross,
Speaker 2: but it's it's really cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I didn't even notice on my first watch or so,
Speaker 1: I didn't even realize the joke of herb on the
Speaker 1: toilet and then him pouring the beer or whatever it is,
Speaker 1: but like, yeah, that's quite obvious. Actually, maybe if it
Speaker 1: had been split screen the other way around, with her
Speaker 1: on the top and hit his glass underneath.
Speaker 2: Well that would have been clever. Yeah. The intro goes
Speaker 2: on for a very long time in.
Speaker 1: This one, Yeah, before you get the nine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's about four minutes in before you get the nine. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and we get to our actual location.
Speaker 1: Well that's worth mentioning, isn't it. The fact that it's
Speaker 1: you know, we've said before, but this is one that
Speaker 1: it really plays quite fast and loose with the number.
Speaker 2: Nine thing really does, doesn't it, Like, yes, all the action,
Speaker 2: like the focus of the thing is that nine, but
Speaker 2: we do go with the places. Steve said that he
Speaker 2: was like at pains to keep it there, and like
Speaker 2: the whole point was that he was like, well, if
Speaker 2: we've only got a little bit of the split screen
Speaker 2: that's there, then it counts and all this thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I can buy that, but it doesn't.
Speaker 2: It still doesn't work. Like there are screens where it's
Speaker 2: full screen just that office Oh really yeah, I'm out
Speaker 2: on the street and stuff, and I'm like, oh, oh well,
Speaker 2: I don't I don't really care that much.
Speaker 1: But it is a little i'd like I think we've
Speaker 1: said before, but like now we're series seven, Like, come on,
Speaker 1: they're they're they're pushing the boat out in different ways
Speaker 1: and experimenting in different ways going you know, I think
Speaker 1: letting them put a toe out of the line of
Speaker 1: what their initial thing was is okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll let them off it. Just it just slightly
Speaker 2: annoys me that they could have had a split screen
Speaker 2: of it. There's no reason why they couldn't.
Speaker 1: I wondered if the number nine that's on the wall
Speaker 1: being like just a fragment of it is if that's
Speaker 1: like almost the hint of that that it's like, it's
Speaker 1: only a little bit number nine, it's not the whole thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's probably just me overthinking it.
Speaker 2: But I like it. I like it. They said that
Speaker 2: they didn't like that so much of the beginning is
Speaker 2: in a different house, and then Reese was like, well,
Speaker 2: I guess it could we don't see wait, yes, it
Speaker 2: was a number nine.
Speaker 1: We'll go with that.
Speaker 2: It's like totally wreckcons it.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about our characters then. So we've got
Speaker 1: the wonderful Daisy Haggard as Lara.
Speaker 2: She's great, who had previously been in Psychovilla Believe she was, Yes,
Speaker 2: so I can't remember what she was it.
Speaker 1: She was, Yeah, she was in a pantomime playing like
Speaker 1: the princess.
Speaker 2: Was she like the snow white character?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, oh that was it because it was all
Speaker 1: the seven Dwarfs, wasn't it? So she was snow white? Yeah?
Speaker 1: But then she's always she's so funny, she's always great.
Speaker 1: Did you watch episodes no, TAM's and Greg and Stephen
Speaker 1: Mangen and Matt LeBlanc playing himself.
Speaker 2: No, but I do remember yeah, I was thinking of extras,
Speaker 2: but no episodes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no episodes.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I remember her being in that. She had a
Speaker 1: tiny role in that, but it was so funny, like
Speaker 1: she was one of the American execs and she just
Speaker 1: used to sit there and just make these faces like
Speaker 1: hmmm all the time. And she's just so good at it.
Speaker 2: She's so funny. I've not seen her in a lot
Speaker 2: of things, but whenever she does pop up, she's always great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she is married to Dominic.
Speaker 2: Indeed, played by Reese in one of his worst characters.
Speaker 1: It's awful. It's cringe, it's skin crawely.
Speaker 2: It really is like he's played murderers that I identify
Speaker 2: and understand it more like it's just really really needs
Speaker 2: to slap o. The main character is Shane Daniel Mays, Yes,
Speaker 2: who's fantastic as well.
Speaker 3: He is. He's a funny bloke, isn't.
Speaker 2: He He really is. He totally goes all in on
Speaker 2: it on this.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I like as well that it's not like recent Steve
Speaker 2: are in it, but they aren't by any means, the
Speaker 2: main characters.
Speaker 1: I was thinking that it's almost like it's a nice change.
Speaker 1: They're just little cameos almost, which is quite nice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: especially Steve, like he's really on the sidelines.
Speaker 2: They said that they did the originally in visit that
Speaker 2: it would be Reese playing the Clifford character and Steve
Speaker 2: as the Daniel May's character, the Shane character, and then
Speaker 2: we're like, no, maybe not. We'll find we'll find some
Speaker 2: other people and they can do it and we'll just
Speaker 2: sit in to bother.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It makes a nice sort of refreshing change. Not not
Speaker 1: that we get bored of seeing recent Steve, because we
Speaker 1: love it.
Speaker 2: It's nice to have a bit of it, yea.
Speaker 1: And bring in some some different talent and put them
Speaker 1: in the in the spotlight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, give them chance to shine. And speaking of talent,
Speaker 2: Jason Isaacs, Yeah, in a hell of a name to
Speaker 2: get in.
Speaker 1: For such a small small dies after about two minutes.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, great, very striking and sort of Yeah,
Speaker 1: he commands the screen.
Speaker 2: He really does. He said he'd been a fan since
Speaker 2: the Leager Gentleman days apparently, and been asking to be
Speaker 2: in stuff, and so yeah, they offered him this and
Speaker 2: you've jumped at it. It is only a seen.
Speaker 1: It's just kind of a shame when that happens because
Speaker 1: you think, oh, you know, it's like Zoey want to
Speaker 1: make her in the Yeah, when she was in it's
Speaker 1: like it's just such a great actress, like for such
Speaker 1: a sort of throwaway a part.
Speaker 2: I guess it's always the problem when it's it's all
Speaker 2: self contained twenty five minute episodes that always gonna Yeah,
Speaker 2: but some sort of someone like Christine or something.
Speaker 1: There are others that are more sort of you know, ultimately,
Speaker 1: like Keey Hawes, even like she gets she gets a
Speaker 1: good chance to shine in that episode, I suppose, whereas
Speaker 1: others it's like, you know, in and out.
Speaker 2: I really remembered Jason Isaac's being in this, and then
Speaker 2: I was really shocked how little he was in it.
Speaker 2: When I was today, I thought you were a much
Speaker 2: bigger part than this.
Speaker 1: So Shane is dressing as a postman yep, yeah why
Speaker 1: not quite ill fitting uniform.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally covering up his holster and everything.
Speaker 1: So Dominic goes off to work and there's a ring
Speaker 1: at the bell because she's waiting for a parcel, and
Speaker 1: she gets knocked out by the postman and dragged off.
Speaker 2: I quite know how he did all this, but it's
Speaker 2: off screen. So it's fine, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: So then he takes her to the number nine, which
Speaker 1: is this it's guessing an abandoned house.
Speaker 2: Yeah, lovely run. Yeah, and at this point it's been
Speaker 2: relatively serious.
Speaker 1: Yes that's true. Yeah, it sets it up as quite.
Speaker 2: Sure of the toilet beer joke, like, yes, it's been
Speaker 2: relatively serious.
Speaker 1: Yeah, quite dramatic. She wakes up in this house, tied
Speaker 1: to a chair and lovely Shane's got a lovely monkey
Speaker 1: mask on.
Speaker 2: Four sizes too small, Yeah, it's so tiny. Where did
Speaker 2: you get this from?
Speaker 1: God knows, same place he got the little plastic voice
Speaker 1: change of things.
Speaker 2: Probably did they ever? Do they exist in real life?
Speaker 2: They only seem to exist in film and TV?
Speaker 1: They do, because I've seen one at my school. I
Speaker 1: used to work out six production. Someone brought one in
Speaker 1: to use it as a prop. Okay, so yeah they do,
Speaker 1: but they always always I always find it weird because like,
Speaker 1: you can still hear the original voice behind it.
Speaker 2: I was thinking, Yeah, so.
Speaker 1: I don't really see what the point of it is.
Speaker 2: No, not unless you're in this setting where you can
Speaker 2: remove one of the voices exactly. If it's live, it's
Speaker 2: a lot Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, nice joke there. It starts on the wrong
Speaker 1: setting and it's all high pitched.
Speaker 2: Do you want a Glovese water?
Speaker 1: So it's this trope a bit like we had it
Speaker 1: in a quiet night in where you've got these this
Speaker 1: hopeless criminal and that he does do it very well.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he plays bumbling for very well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very funny.
Speaker 2: So I love the fact that at this point with it,
Speaker 2: it's all quite serious. Someone's been kidnapped, she's been tied up,
Speaker 2: she's in a derelict house. Is she going to get murdered?
Speaker 2: And then it goes quite quickly to oh no, this
Speaker 2: is a comedy this week mostly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I have actually already heard your voice and
Speaker 2: I actually have already seen your face, So this is
Speaker 2: all kind and largely irrelevant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really interesting, isn't it? Playing with genres because
Speaker 1: the setting is so gritty and dramatic, and then it
Speaker 1: just completely sort of upends it and it's like, you
Speaker 1: know what, we're just going to piss about basically.
Speaker 2: Telling me to take the mask off. I'm confused.
Speaker 1: I love it as well as the status, like she's
Speaker 1: she's clearly like so much more intelligent than him, and
Speaker 1: you know, and he's just like bumbling around, like I
Speaker 1: don't know what to do, and she's like, I don't mind,
Speaker 1: just you know. So when he leaves the room, she
Speaker 1: tries to phone out husband. I found it interesting that
Speaker 1: she had to scroll down and his name was dominic Z.
Speaker 1: And at first I was like, oh, well, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe they've got different last names. But then later on
Speaker 1: he calls himself dominic Aren't. Oh, he does introduce himself
Speaker 1: as that, So I'm like, why unless for some reason
Speaker 1: she wants him to be right at the bottom of
Speaker 1: the list of her contact.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't, as you were literally just saying that,
Speaker 2: I wonder has she renamed him to that so he's
Speaker 2: at the bottom of the list so that she can
Speaker 2: easily find his number with her hands tied. Yeah, spoilers
Speaker 2: for the end of the episode. But why why you
Speaker 2: wouldn't have just a and had it be at the
Speaker 2: top of the list.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it would be.
Speaker 2: A lot easier, or like a symbol or something and
Speaker 2: at the top.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but strange. Yeah, but yes, he's a twat. He
Speaker 1: is ordering his machiata or whatever it is at.
Speaker 2: Least three shots. I think he said how many do
Speaker 2: you want me to get you, sir? Come back with
Speaker 2: twelve for that be.
Speaker 1: Better at least three.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty.
Speaker 2: Much every number there is. Yeah, when shall I stop?
Speaker 1: And then we have Shane phoning him and he think
Speaker 1: that she's doing phone sex.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, here wild Poorshane's trying to do his best
Speaker 2: like tough man routine.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So my first question here is why one point three
Speaker 2: million that.
Speaker 3: Is the ver It's such a rangely specific number, such.
Speaker 2: A specific amount, and they never address it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very good.
Speaker 2: Not that I care. I'm just curious as to why
Speaker 2: it was specifically that much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a really good point. I've not thought of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could understood it if it was one point
Speaker 2: eight and they were just doing it to add up
Speaker 2: to nine or something silly like that. But but it doesn't.
Speaker 2: I assume there's probably it's one of these cases of
Speaker 2: we just see a snippet of what happened, and presumably
Speaker 2: there's weeks of planning went into this, and there's a
Speaker 2: total reason as to why it's one point three. We
Speaker 2: just don't ever find out. Yeah, it always struck me
Speaker 2: as a bit weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, I've never sent a ransom thing,
Speaker 1: so I can't really comment. So then she again and
Speaker 1: Shane catches her phoning him, which is quite a scary
Speaker 1: moment when he's like, you shouldn't have done that.
Speaker 2: I've done that. Yeah. All the while, I don't know
Speaker 2: if Dominic's worked out what's really going on. No, I
Speaker 2: think I still think he's largely oblivious.
Speaker 1: Yes, that was a bit weird when he said to
Speaker 1: him on the phone, he was like, she's waiting for
Speaker 1: a parcel. I was like, oh, are you the postman? Like,
Speaker 1: why would the postman be phony? That just doesn't make
Speaker 1: any sense.
Speaker 2: He's only been listening to half this conversation, doesn't he.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he does not care nough.
Speaker 3: He plays that so well, he really does.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he's so slimy and awful. Well it's not
Speaker 2: even that, it's it's just a knob.
Speaker 1: He's an absolute knob.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just so wanky it's awful.
Speaker 1: And there's the question of you know, does does your
Speaker 1: husband love you more than he loves money? And the
Speaker 1: answer is obviously now, yeah, everything's a business transaction.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that brings us onto this. Yes, no, game,
Speaker 2: I didn't understand it. I had to google because I
Speaker 2: don't think I've ever played this game.
Speaker 3: Oh have you not come across it before?
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I was really confused as to
Speaker 2: why he was like, oh, you got me. I didn't
Speaker 2: really understand what was going on until well.
Speaker 1: I played it with kids at school, and I think
Speaker 1: it's also like a drama sort of game as well play.
Speaker 2: I couldn't understand what she'd worked out from him, I see,
Speaker 2: and also why they would have been playing a game
Speaker 2: just to pass the time was just very confusing for me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: when I didn't know what was happening.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he's so funny when he's trying to It's
Speaker 1: like you can see his little cogs going around as
Speaker 1: he's trying so hard to answer her questions. Like it
Speaker 1: did not.
Speaker 2: I know he's obstensibly the most evil person in this
Speaker 2: room at the moment, but in this story, but yeah,
Speaker 2: he's quite sweet in some way.
Speaker 1: Even if he does break people's legs for money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got to learn a living. So Clifford arrives,
Speaker 2: he does just like why are you playing this game?
Speaker 2: I don't know?
Speaker 1: And he mentions to Shane about not getting too close
Speaker 1: to her. Because he says, you know what you've got
Speaker 1: to do at the end of all this, which I
Speaker 1: have questions about maybe a bit later. Yeah, I do
Speaker 1: love that bit where he gets all serious and he
Speaker 1: marches in and he's like, you know, I you've been
Speaker 1: playing this, yes, no game? Well yes this and no that,
Speaker 1: and no we're not playing games anymore. Well you'd have
Speaker 1: been out of ages ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a very odd dynamic going on in this room. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Shane goes down to the shop and then we
Speaker 1: get the reveal that it's been staged and Laura and
Speaker 1: Clifford are in it together.
Speaker 2: Yep. Classicist kidnappy trope that they're in it in advance.
Speaker 2: Different plot to what you think. It's not the most
Speaker 2: original story in a way, but I like how it's presented.
Speaker 1: So they're planning to basically get the money and leave
Speaker 1: the country yep, start a new life together.
Speaker 2: Ditch push Shane behind. He ain't getting a cut, yeah, passport,
Speaker 2: So how's he going to chase us?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's not going to go to the police.
Speaker 2: Which makes me wonder. So now we've got that out
Speaker 2: of the way, that that's there's a double cross thing
Speaker 2: going on. Why is Shane involved in this?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not really necessary, is it.
Speaker 2: Don't get why he's there.
Speaker 1: It just over complicates things really.
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially when he doesn't know, Yeah, exactly. That's so
Speaker 2: presumably he's a loose end they have to tie up
Speaker 2: or yeah, escape, I.
Speaker 1: Think it's It makes it quite a dangerous plan to
Speaker 1: have this person involved. Who who does this sort of thing,
Speaker 1: Yeah often and and thinks this is real. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: not not telling him.
Speaker 2: It's like the worst thing, surely when you've done a
Speaker 2: crime is to have someone around that is annoyed it
Speaker 2: because of like you double cross someone.
Speaker 1: That's very true.
Speaker 2: Why engineer that in? Yeah, I don't know, especially like
Speaker 2: he says that he doesn't have a passport, he's not
Speaker 2: going to go to the police. It's not like they're
Speaker 2: playing on killing him and likes the tiding it up,
Speaker 2: like they're planning on just escaping and leaving him behind.
Speaker 1: M I guess they think there's nothing he can do
Speaker 1: though either way, I guess. But it does seem like
Speaker 1: a liability.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, liability being the main Yeah, like he could
Speaker 2: have sucked up any of the kidnapped bit, whereas if
Speaker 2: the other two are already in it. She could have
Speaker 2: just walked herself there. Yeah, no one needs to be
Speaker 2: tied up. It's all over the phone anyway. She didn't
Speaker 2: even need to leave the house. Really.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a very good point.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, not that I care, because it is a
Speaker 2: comedy at the end of the day. Yeah, but I
Speaker 2: just found it odd. Yeah, the suspension of disbelief.
Speaker 1: So at this point they phone Dominic. Then he wants
Speaker 1: to be sure that his wife is safe.
Speaker 2: Yes, so he.
Speaker 1: Doesn't want to show out the money if she's already dead,
Speaker 1: which I mean, I understand, but yeah, it's just the
Speaker 1: way he's you know.
Speaker 2: The way he says it. Yeah, I want to know
Speaker 2: if my wife is still alive. Like, that's what you
Speaker 2: need to all the other ships.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, before you'd buy her whatever cars he says,
Speaker 1: you know, you take a chest dry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's unseen.
Speaker 1: And they're they're looking at each other like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: what a cock.
Speaker 2: And we've got to help this guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I meant, I meant Clifford and Lara looking
Speaker 1: at each other.
Speaker 3: Sorry, but yeah, that back too, that too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And apparently Lara's asked him to divorce her. But
Speaker 1: he's refused, so yeah, I don't really understand. Like, he
Speaker 1: obviously doesn't love her, so you know what's it to him?
Speaker 2: I guess it's probably an embarrassment thing. It's as true
Speaker 2: status thing to all his friends, So.
Speaker 1: True, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he just doesn't want to lose face. I guess
Speaker 2: it's probably the main Oh he's.
Speaker 1: Just a husk, isn't he?
Speaker 3: That was so camp. Oh it's just ask.
Speaker 2: Me, yes, yes he is. Yeah, he's got this like
Speaker 2: perfect life as far as anyone's concerned. But yeah, the
Speaker 2: wife leads you for some comments come as far as
Speaker 2: he will be concerned.
Speaker 3: I love how clinical that office is.
Speaker 2: It's weird class paper weights at all. Yeah, generic view
Speaker 2: of London.
Speaker 1: So Shane comes back, and because Clifford had untired Laura
Speaker 1: to make him more comfortable, they suddenly have to panic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it obviously goes as well as you could
Speaker 2: have ever hoped for.
Speaker 1: In that he ends up shot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because Clifford said not to bring any weapons and
Speaker 2: he's brought gone along, which, like you said before, the
Speaker 2: risks of having Shane.
Speaker 1: Doesn't know Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. This is exactly why
Speaker 1: he shouldn't have been involved, No, and Clifford's now paid
Speaker 1: for it.
Speaker 2: M M.
Speaker 1: I love that they include this. I mean, it's such
Speaker 1: a cheesy cliche, isn't it. That thing if there's a
Speaker 1: gunshot and then no one knows who died who's been shot.
Speaker 1: I don't know, have you seen. I'm sure there's a
Speaker 1: TikTok that I've seen where it's like it's that troupe
Speaker 1: but it's like extended to the ridiculous and it's like.
Speaker 2: Like a day or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and each each.
Speaker 1: Each new shot, there's a new person that it could
Speaker 1: have been. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh, the one I've seen was like two people and
Speaker 2: then like this guy gets home and he goes to
Speaker 2: get undressed to go to bed and finds a bullet
Speaker 2: woman and then suddenly drops down dead.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, that's hilarious.
Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't hurt until you see the blood exactly. Yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, cliches aren't necessarily bad, especially in
Speaker 1: comedy like this. It's sometimes it's just part of the
Speaker 1: vocabulary of of storytelling, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, cliches are a cliche for a reason. It's like
Speaker 2: they're good a lot of the time. Yeah, they keep
Speaker 2: being redone just because they're good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and obviously she's kind of upset that her lover
Speaker 1: has died yep, and he tells her, you're just suffering
Speaker 1: from the Stockport syndrome.
Speaker 2: A great joke that never gets addressed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just goes out over her head.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But bless him as well when he says, oh,
Speaker 1: you'd probably be the same if I died, and she's.
Speaker 3: Like, no, I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: You stupid fucking idiots, poor Shane. Yeah but yeah, in
Speaker 1: the absence of his boss, he decides to stick to
Speaker 1: the plan yep, and ties her back up again.
Speaker 2: Cut her off. So she at this point tries to
Speaker 2: tell him what the plan was, and he doesn't believe her,
Speaker 2: because obviously why would he.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah. Dominic receives the ear lobes in a bag.
Speaker 2: Do you recognize these?
Speaker 1: Do you mean the ears or the rings?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember my pa picking them out a couple
Speaker 1: of Christmas ago. Of course, yeah, his pa picked them out.
Speaker 2: It's gonn you toss up in this episode between do
Speaker 2: I say or bless him about Shane or how much
Speaker 2: for toss pot?
Speaker 1: Dominic is yes, yes, since you've mentioned toss pot, because yes,
Speaker 1: there's a great moment there where Steve just calling that
Speaker 1: after he leaves, which is so like earned, it's brilliant.
Speaker 1: But I was going to say, fun fact about the
Speaker 1: word toss pot. Do you know where it comes from?
Speaker 2: I don't see.
Speaker 1: Well, people assume it's to do with tossa and like masturbation,
Speaker 1: it's it's actually an old fashioned thing for someone who
Speaker 1: drinks a lot, because they.
Speaker 3: Toss a lot of ale pots back. So yeah, fun
Speaker 3: fact and something the every day as well.
Speaker 1: Dictory Corner volume two. But yes, So we cut back
Speaker 1: to Laura being bandaged up mh and Dominic's told that
Speaker 1: he has to go to transfer the money in person.
Speaker 2: They've given him where the address is because they already
Speaker 2: sort of roughly know where they are because they've had
Speaker 2: a gunshot mm hmm. And because this isn't America, can
Speaker 2: work out where we are probably. Yeah. Fun extra fact
Speaker 2: I'm going to throw in here from the podcast they
Speaker 2: learned originally they wanted in the script there was going
Speaker 2: to be four locations. So the office that'd be the
Speaker 2: original house to be this house, and originally the house
Speaker 2: that they were in was a semi detached and the
Speaker 2: police were going to break in in one of the cuts,
Speaker 2: in like one of the screens in a split screen,
Speaker 2: and like you'd see them break, you know, sneaking through
Speaker 2: the house and everything, and then they'd break through a
Speaker 2: door and it'd just be a little like family and
Speaker 2: the kids and stuff, and they broke into the wrong
Speaker 2: house and it's just next door. They've gone into Bay mistakes. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: but they decided it was far too much work, so
Speaker 2: that got cut.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough. Yeah, and he's been given the safe
Speaker 1: word of granola. Granola.
Speaker 3: He has to say it twice.
Speaker 2: Are we going to go conversation? Yeah, it's so reminded
Speaker 2: of the hairs, Like, yes, I thought.
Speaker 3: That, Yeah, how we're going to slip that into conversation?
Speaker 2: Oh we should have done that. We should have planned
Speaker 2: to try and get it in genuine. You don't know
Speaker 2: how he would have yes, well yeah.
Speaker 1: Well no, yeah. The bit a bit later on when
Speaker 1: he wakes up and he's suddenly like that reminds me
Speaker 1: of something that line delivery And I can't think what
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 2: I think I know what you mean, I don't mean
Speaker 2: the way.
Speaker 1: He pronounces it, and like this he's so like out
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, I can't think what it.
Speaker 2: Is no me neither, but I know exactly what you mean.
Speaker 2: It will come to me at some point in the
Speaker 2: middle of the night.
Speaker 1: If it does, please let me know, will Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because it's been bugging me.
Speaker 2: Write in listeners. If you know misery, we'll put you
Speaker 2: into TikTok.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So he's got the ear piece with Steve telling
Speaker 1: him what to do. Tell him it's for your own protection.
Speaker 1: It's for your own protection. Do you need me to
Speaker 1: change all the possessive pronouns.
Speaker 2: Again? Brilliant?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very funny. And again it kind of shows
Speaker 1: like Dominic's not the smartest cookie in the jar, Like, no,
Speaker 1: he's good at what he's obviously good at making money
Speaker 1: and all that shit.
Speaker 2: But you know, yeah, I've worked in big private businesses
Speaker 2: as it's all. They're all like.
Speaker 1: That exactly, like idiots.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they met the company a lot of money,
Speaker 2: so who cares?
Speaker 1: Yes, And he fucking tries to haggle over his wife and.
Speaker 2: Not by even a little bit, like he's wanting off
Speaker 2: what five hundred thousand or.
Speaker 3: Something because of the Yeah.
Speaker 1: She's damaged now, oh my god. And when he eventually,
Speaker 1: you know, does the transfer and he's like worth every penny.
Speaker 1: I don't regret it at all. Like he sounds very
Speaker 1: much like he does.
Speaker 2: Yep, just a smidge. Yeah, Yeah, I don't know why
Speaker 2: they I can know why they're doing it, but why
Speaker 2: the police would think they would want him to do
Speaker 2: the transfer in person?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very weird, isn't it.
Speaker 2: I could understand if it was in cash, yes, but yeah.
Speaker 1: But yeah, what benefit do they have of him doing
Speaker 1: it in person?
Speaker 2: But they've run along with it because he'll find out
Speaker 2: where they are and all this sort of stuff. And
Speaker 2: they've got a car waiting that's part of the rules.
Speaker 2: And we find out at this point that it's all
Speaker 2: another there's another twist.
Speaker 1: Yes, when we thought that Shane didn't believe her, it
Speaker 1: turns out she did manage to convince him, yes, to
Speaker 1: get in cahoots with.
Speaker 2: Her, and we've plotted an entire new plan in the
Speaker 2: space of a few minutes. Yes, so they knock out
Speaker 2: Dominic's day is closed and Lara has a incredibly well
Speaker 2: choreographed conversation with herself, Yes, which must have been very
Speaker 2: interesting to film.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it can't quite work out if that's her
Speaker 1: voice when she does the voice changer or if it's
Speaker 1: in post.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, but I think that's that's why
Speaker 2: the cottage scenes are probably filmed first, because that will
Speaker 2: be the scene that they had to do the retakes
Speaker 2: of the most to get that working right.
Speaker 1: Oh, definitely, definitely. So, yes, Shane puts on Dominic's clothes.
Speaker 1: He's too tall.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I looked it up. They're about a foot different.
Speaker 2: They thereabout. Yeah, it's not just a little bit out,
Speaker 2: it's a lot.
Speaker 1: And it turns out that the a lobes came from Clifford. Yes,
Speaker 1: they cut his off because they were going spare why not?
Speaker 1: So yeah, they escape, the police come in fun Dominic,
Speaker 1: wake him up. Granola, Granola. That's so bugging me.
Speaker 2: It really bugging me as well. I don't even know
Speaker 2: if it's from this or whether it's from some of
Speaker 2: the reasons exactly.
Speaker 3: It could be anything. I don't even know if they're sure.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think it probably is, but it might not be.
Speaker 1: That's the thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I feel like it was a
Speaker 2: while ago though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, such specific thing.
Speaker 2: I'm just reading through episode titles thinking it will come
Speaker 2: back to me. It will. So it's a great way
Speaker 2: to end the episode though, or nearly end the episode.
Speaker 1: So Shane and Laura are in the car and she says,
Speaker 1: told you I had a plan. Do you want to
Speaker 1: know where we're flying to? And he's like, I'm all ears.
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's quite a good joke for something thick
Speaker 1: as But the thing is he doesn't have a passport,
Speaker 1: does he No?
Speaker 2: And they're on a plane to get away from it,
Speaker 2: So you're going to ditch him? Do we reconnext?
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised. I think she's used, she's played
Speaker 1: him to get out of having her ears calf, but
Speaker 1: I don't think she's got any intention of escaping with him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this whole was just so she didn't have to
Speaker 2: lose her ear lobes. Yeah, which admittedly I want to
Speaker 2: lose mine either, but it is a very convoluted plan. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But if you're the only intelligent person in the room,
Speaker 2: do what you need to. I suppose, m M, if
Speaker 2: you can convince them of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she is clearly the cleverest person in this story.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, Steve's thieves characters, all right, but he
Speaker 2: doesn't have much choice much. He's working with some pretty
Speaker 2: ship yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think she's she's not obviously not very nice,
Speaker 1: although she is in a difficult situation her husband, although
Speaker 1: that's no excuse to stage a kidnap.
Speaker 2: But yeah, although you say he won't divorce her, like
Speaker 2: she can divorce him, surely like it. I don't really know.
Speaker 3: Where now, I know.
Speaker 1: I think it's complicated, isn't it, because you have to
Speaker 1: have certain reasons and certain evidence and stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Although I think the rules changed recently, didn't they.
Speaker 2: I think you can now just I don't think there
Speaker 2: has to be someone at fault anymore.
Speaker 1: Okay, And I mean that makes sense, doesn't it, Because
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, if one person's not
Speaker 1: wanting to be in it anymore, then neither can be exactly. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a cheery note. So yeah, So off they go
Speaker 1: into the sunset, and we are left to ponder whether
Speaker 1: they're actually going to go off together or if she's
Speaker 1: going to ditch in.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I suspect the latter, probably.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, he did kill a boyfriend and was
Speaker 2: going to chop hers off and fully intended to kill
Speaker 2: her later.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's just like, you know, you.
Speaker 3: Just have a gun though, Well yeah, we shall say.
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't imagine they're sticking around with him.
Speaker 2: Like you said, especially since he doesn't a passport. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and she'll want to get out of the country because
Speaker 2: her doing this has very much implicated her, Like beforehand,
Speaker 2: if everything had gone wrong, like she ultimately could just
Speaker 2: play the victim. Yeah, but in this she's very much.
Speaker 1: Not like she's gone beyond that now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's now very much liable.
Speaker 1: She mentioned to him about there's a car waiting new identities,
Speaker 1: as in, like, does that mean that they've got like
Speaker 1: new passports with like fake names ready, But that would
Speaker 1: obviously that wouldn't have a picture of Shane in it,
Speaker 1: so he could, but.
Speaker 2: He probably wouldn't realize that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing because it helps having him be
Speaker 1: a bit dippy. But yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2: It's a fun one. I really enjoy it.
Speaker 1: It's it's yeah, it's I think you probably enjoy it
Speaker 1: more than me.
Speaker 2: Maybe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I said, it grew on.
Speaker 1: Me the more I watched it. But it's it's not
Speaker 1: one of my favorites.
Speaker 2: Fair, but it's like we've not had one for quite
Speaker 2: a while. I'm just thinking when the last hurry up
Speaker 2: and wait was a bit silly. I suppose Wuthering Heist
Speaker 2: was the last one that was actually a proper comedy.
Speaker 1: Like a broad comedy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like a fast type thing like this in
Speaker 2: a way is kind of a face.
Speaker 1: That's true. It's been a while since we've had an
Speaker 1: out right yeah, funny one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I like it for that. Yeah, we're onto rating,
Speaker 3: I think so.
Speaker 2: Um, I think a six. I do enjoy it?
Speaker 1: Okay, cool?
Speaker 2: How about you now?
Speaker 1: On my provisional, i'd written four or five, and I'm
Speaker 1: just thinking looking at other ones that I've given. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think I enjoy it more than hurry up
Speaker 1: and wait or how do you plead? Yeah, so it
Speaker 1: can't be any higher than a four? In fact, do
Speaker 1: I go three? Or is that really m.
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 3: I think a four?
Speaker 1: I think you are.
Speaker 2: It's all on vibes and feelings and all that nonsense, exactly, Yes,
Speaker 2: how we feel right now?
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm sorry if you're a tumbler user and this
Speaker 1: upsets you, but get over it. You're going to ask
Speaker 1: me all favorite question.
Speaker 2: Did you spot the hair?
Speaker 1: Nope?
Speaker 2: Ah, it's quite an easy one. Really, there's not much
Speaker 2: decoration I found in this one. I thought it would
Speaker 2: probably be in the in the nice house at the
Speaker 2: start it, but no, it's it's by the front door
Speaker 2: of the awful house. So there's like a little there's
Speaker 2: the door, and then on the right of the door
Speaker 2: there's a little window. Yeah, and it's just sat in
Speaker 2: the window.
Speaker 3: Okay, cool.
Speaker 2: Let us know if you spotted our hair, Yeah, somewhere
Speaker 2: there was. We are running out of them.
Speaker 1: So this week I'd like to read out a message
Speaker 1: that literally just came in before we started recording on
Speaker 1: TikTok from a user called Cryo Chamber. Interesting thing who says, Hi,
Speaker 1: I've started listening to your podcast a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: ago and I'm addicted. I've just gotten onto the episode
Speaker 1: about the steakout and it reminded me about how annoyed
Speaker 1: I was when the twist got spoiled when I was
Speaker 1: originally watching show.
Speaker 3: Is so gutting, isn't it.
Speaker 1: I love hearing you guys thoughts about the episodes, especially
Speaker 1: when we have different opinions. It's given me a completely
Speaker 1: new love for the show. So thank you so much
Speaker 1: for making the pod. Loving it so much so far,
Speaker 1: and I can't wait to keep listening.
Speaker 2: Oh thanks Cryer Chamber.
Speaker 1: Indeed, thank you.
Speaker 2: I've got it for you about the steakhouse.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I wonder how it got spoiled. I
Speaker 1: hope it wasn't through watching our TikTok about it, because
Speaker 1: I did put a spoiler warning at the staff.
Speaker 2: Good.
Speaker 1: AnyWho, We'll be back next week for a random act
Speaker 1: of kindness.
Speaker 2: Thely finished this series.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but for now, I think it's time to close
Speaker 1: the door on number nine.
Speaker 2: Never really leave, do you actually? If you've not got
Speaker 2: a passport, that was good.
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