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Speaker 2: I was done.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't dealing with them.

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that turned me away the quickest.

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looked at us. And one of the things I remember

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the most where the eyes were going red. I see

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Speaker 2: It is just circling these steps like it is waiting

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for me. And he begins to tell them that he

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saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about.

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and that's where I saw.

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Night's episode. We're going to be joined by my guest

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Lee thatcher. Lee has had some experiences in life with

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I'd like to take this time and welcome my guest tonight, Lee.

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Thanks for coming on here.

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Speaker 1: And on women.

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Speaker 2: Thanks thanks for the invite.

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Speaker 1: There's a little bit of a time difference. I know

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you're about five hours ahead of me, so trying to

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spelled l E I g H. I'm forty nine. I

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UFO encounter, which i'll chat about in a minute. I've

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landscape gardener. I've been a UFO guest speaker conference. I've

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but because it's so early in the morning, I've had

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to write everything down. So I grew up in I

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a knife, fork and spoon. It wasn't Christian, but it

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was a gift from a relative. And this cutlery sept

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like knife, you know, Christening Sept would would just go

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miss him and go missing for days on end, and

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it would just turn up on top of the cutter

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re sept in the drawer. Nobody would know how it

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the hell that we lived in. The house was only

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was a big council estate. Yeah, they would they would

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recount these stories of these black balls of light that

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would dart across the room. They didn't know what they were,

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whether they were spirits or ghosts whatever. But again you

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know that. So there was a lot of stories in

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the neighborhood of with stuff going on in the people's houses.

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parents split up, my dad went his way, and I

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went with my mum, and then I went back with

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my dad, and then that was on forward. I've got

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an older brother and sister, and we'd all be separate

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this sort of thing. We had a lot of guns

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come and have a look at this. And we both

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watched this light in the sky. Now again, you know,

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he grew up knowing all about military aircraft and all

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stuff like that, so he knew the difference between a

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plane and a helicopter. And we watched this white light

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in the sky. So this would have been nineteen eighty five,

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and I would have been ten. And this white light

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was then accompanied by a few other lights and it

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formed what looked like a diamond shape. And then this

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shape thing whatever it was, lowered itself past the horizon

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stuck in my head. What took me? He said it

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was a diamond, sheaped, Yeah, it was diamond.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't It was diamond shaped as in there was

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a top bottom on two sides, and it looked like

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a diamond, but it would. It was made up of

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a few lights. From what I can remember, it was

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just white, so the lights were white. It was late afternoon.

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prism like you could see kind of like colors reflecting

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from it. No, okay, I.

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couple of couple of minutes I think. We went home

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and we spoke to our respective parents. My mum was

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kind of dismissive of it. My stepdad he was the same.

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quite bad nightmares, and at the time I didn't really

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think much of it because they were just nightmares to me.

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I'd be lying flat on a table and there would

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be these what I would call the little workers, and

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they didn't speak, and I couldn't see them, but I

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knew they were there, and I knew that they were

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talking to each other, but they weren't audibly talking. And

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then the next part of the nightmare this machine with

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I always described it as letters and numbers put over

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the top of each other. Now as an adult, I

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would say that that was more like a symbol. So

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these things had this machine had symbols on and I

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called it a conveyor belt of words, and I would

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this machine would come towards me with these symbols on,

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and I'd have to read what was on this machine.

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itself there was nothing bad happened, I just knew that

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it was a terrifying nightmare. And weeks later I'd have

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the same nightmare. And I had this about four or

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five times the age of ten. Soon after this, UFO sighting,

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and I remember the last time I had it. I

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got out of bed, I ran down the hall to

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my mum and stepdad's bedroom and I remember looking back

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and in my head I thought to myself, I hope

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they don't come for me again. And that was that

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was the end of that. Never had that dream nightmare

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ever again. And then so that was that was that

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with my nw and granddad. We lived there for a

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couple of years, and then from my dan and Grandad's house,

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we then moved to Birmingham, England, which is about one

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hundred and sixty miles away. So in America that's like

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down the road, whereas in England we would consider that

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a long way. One hundred and six months.

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my office for my job last year, so that's not far.

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sixty miles, two hundred miles is considered like a questionable journeys.

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up in the living room standing up. Now, I've never

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slept walked before. I've never slept walked before, never slept

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work walked afterwards. But I was fifteen and I woke

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up standing up in the living room and I'd organized

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these rolls of wallpaper into the shape of what I

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thought was stonehenge. That was that. So that was that

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kind of episode. Finished, went back to bed, thought nothing

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of it. The only reason I mentioned these things is

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because over time I've spoken to other people that have

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had UFO and alien encounters, and they've experience very similar things.

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So whoever's listening to this podcast now who may have

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had the same experiences, it may strike a chord with them.

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In ninety four, so I'm kind of going in chronological order.

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Ninety four, I would have been seventeen. I was at

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college and I met my partner, Lucy. She was fifteen,

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I was seventeen, and we started dating and I went

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to her house one evening and she had a box

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of photographs and I was just looking through them. They

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were random photographs of this, that and the other, and

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I pulled out this one photo and I said to her,

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what you're doing, you know, what are you doing with

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this photo? You know, what's the story behind this photo?

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I was younger, in the eighties, so she would have

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been about six or seven. She had like a little camera.

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what came out. And I said that this is in

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the photo was my sister, my aunt, and my nan.

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the road of synchronicities, if you like, that's probably the

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biggest synchronicity that I've experienced. I don't know if I've

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explained that story. Well, so if you imagine I've come

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I've met this girl. She's got a photo of my

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family that she took randomly, and I took the photo

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back to my family and I said to her, can

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you just clarify who these people are in the photo?

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And they all said, you know that she's sister in

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your art and you're you know, and I told them

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where the photos come from. And even to this day,

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we can't quite work out how that actually happened, but

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we we then moved in together. We finished college, we

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moved in together, and we moved from flat to flat

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and house to house, and we kind of bummed around

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different places and we ended up in this one flat.

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six by now ninety five ninety six. We were I

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was asleep on the settee and she said that the

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room had changed frequency. And she said this black while

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I was asleep, so I didn't witness this. This is

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Lucy that had witnessed this. This black missed shape just

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came into the room, moved through the room and then

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out the other end, and then she said the frequency

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just went back to normal. It was as if she

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described it as the room was just changing channel, as

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if it was like a radio, and.

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the frequency part of it, I've always wondered. I mentioned

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this several different times, like when people see these different

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shadow figures or anything like that, I've said, maybe they're

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seeing something from a different plane of existence and of reality.

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So maybe that she felt the frequency change because maybe

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it kind of did exist. Thing vibrates at a different

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frequency than what we were normally seeing.

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you speak to anyone that has had UFO encounters, you

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often find that they will say that there's a change

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in the kind of atmosphere around them, as if it's

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like a byproduct of I mean, I'm saying I'm using

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the term UFO and linking it with this black missed

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shame thing only because I mean, I'll go on to

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this later, but I've had other UFO and paranormal anomalies

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in the homes as we get older, So I'm only

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linking the two together. As I say, I've got no

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proof of that there was a UFO above the house

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at the time. It could have been a ghost, it

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could have been an alien that could have been an

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inter dimensional being could I don't know what it was.

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always into When I moved to Birmingham, I got really

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into the subject of UFO's ghosts paranormal and I got

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quite in depth, went right down the rabbit hole as

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it were. This is years before the Internet and mobile

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phones and so it was all books and conferences and

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things like that. That we used to go to and

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then we I went on a camping trip with a

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couple of couple of friends, and I'd had this really

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vivid dream of standing outside my tent. We'd gone camping

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in Wales, and the we'd gone, we'd had our fire,

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we had food, We've gone to bed. But I had

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this such a vivid I can still see it now,

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vivid dream standing outside the tent and being made to

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watch a UFO leave. And then I got back in

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the tent and went back to sleep. We came back

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home the next day, all the two days later, whenever

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it was, and I was chatting to Lucy about it,

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and I said, you know, I had this weird dream

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about this UFO. And I was on the phone somebody

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a bit later on in the evening, and as I

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mentioned this story, the phone just went completely dead and

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we couldn't connect the phone again till the next day,

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and then loose. I mean, this could be coincidence, but

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I'm just adding it in the whole sort of story anyway.

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But there are little bits of other things that have

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happened that I've missed out, but I'm going to concentrate

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on the you know, the bigger things later. So then

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Lucy was chatting on the phone to her to a

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friend of hers, and she said, Lee had this thing

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happened earlier where he was talking about this UFO store

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and the phone went dead, and it just happens that

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the phone went dead again again coincidence with someone listening,

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you know, we just don't know. So then from so

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we moved from that flat into the house that we're

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living in at the moment. The house we're living at

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the moment. We've been here now for about twenty two years,

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and this is where we've had the most amount of activity. Now.

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I grew up going to church. It was never religious,

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but I was expected to go to church with my

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nan and my aren't the ones that were in Lucy's photo.

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I had to go, you know, when I was eight

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nine ten. Didn't enjoy it, but I kind of got

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a bit of an understanding about the Bible and stuff

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like that. When I moved to Birmiham, I kind of

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got more into the idea of UFOs in the Bible

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and most importantly the Book of Revelations. And I used

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to read the Book of Revelations, but you know, page

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after page offs paid and I used to try and

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decipher what the book was going on about. But yeah,

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we I'll get I kind of have to go back

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towards with different things that have happened, and they'll all

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link together in it a bit later on. So yeah,

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interested in, you know, the Bible and UFOs. And we've

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got we moved into this house that we're in at

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the moment. So we've got two We've had two children

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by then, and I was it was when we very

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first moved in, we had a cat. The cat was

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scratching at the back door, and Jessica, our eldest daughter,

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she would have been probably about three, three or four

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at the time, and she was laughing at the at

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the cat trying to get in through the She was

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sort of scratching at the window and I had my

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hands near behind her. I can't really describe it, but

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she had her hands beyond on her back, and I

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was sort of holding her hands at the same time,

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and I felt as if someone had grabbed my wrist

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and I looked down and there's no hand there. Jessica's

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hands were tiny. This felt like a grown adult's hand

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around my wrist, and then I thought nothing of it.

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what was that? I said, what was what? And like

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I said, she was about foot four or five at

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the time, and she started rubbing her arm up against

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the settee and she said, it feels like someone's just

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run the hand up my arm. I said, well, it

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wasn't me, and then it twigged, you know, I've just

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had the same I've just had the same experience. You know,

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someone's just grabbed my wrist, someone's just touched her arm.

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There's nobody else with us, so that was a bit

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of a ghostly encounter. We never got to the bottom

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of that. But as I say, I used to really,

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really really study crop circles, religion, and it got to

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the point where I think it was twenty ten. I'd

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spent years and years and years really bogged down with

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trying to understand the UFO phenomena, piecing things together, and

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at the time twenty twelve was approaching and there was

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a lot of talk about big things that you know,

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Earth changes and things like that, and I got to

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a point where I was so depressed by the whole

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phenomena that I decided. I woke up one morning with

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absolute sense of dread and I couldn't shift this feeling

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of impending doom, and so I got all my books

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and I got rid of them, got rid of all

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my books, stopped listening to heavy metal, tried tried being

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quote unquote normal. And this lasted for about two or

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three weeks, and I go to work feeling really depressed

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because I just overdosed really on all things paranormal, and

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I didn't have any answers. And that's when when twenty

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twelve approached, that's when things really kicked off for me,

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because it seemed like, you know, I pushed out, pushed

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all this stuff away, all the religious stuff that you

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and the Bible couldn't get my head around what I

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was trying to achieve from it all. And then it

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was as if overnight I had this awakening, if you like,

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and it was as if the paranormal world said, Okay,

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if you're not going to be on board with us, now,

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this is my kind of terminology. If you're not going

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to be on board with us, we're going to show

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you exactly what we mean. And that's when all sorts

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of things happened in quite a short kind of space

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of time, and it was almost as if it was

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as if a portal had opened up around the house.

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I was just trying to put my notes. So yeah,

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it's about twenty twelve. The first thing that happened. I

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woke up during the night and there was I can

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only describe it as a jellyfish just coming through into

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the into the room, and I watched it climb up

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the wall. I mean, I don't take drugs, never smoke,

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so I've never had any anything like that. Watch this

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jellyfish just coming to the room and out through the wall.

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Next couple of days it was I think it was

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it would have been early July, I think, and blue

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sky and we had these planes going over. Now we

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get a lot of whether whether your listeners believe in

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them or not, we get a lot of cam trails

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over here. And the one day twenty twelve, we had

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a fleet of planes going over I think it was

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about five or six of them, and they were doing

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a circle of the city. And as they came overhead,

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I was in the kitchen and I looked up and

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I could see them coming over again, and I could

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see these orbs just appearing in the actual chemtrail itself,

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and I thought, bloody ell, you know, I haven't seen

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the UFOs. I was ten orb would appear in the

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in the contrail, probably say it was the size of

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a large car, and it would float along with the

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chemtrail and then it would blink out, and then another

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one would appear, and I think I counted like five

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in the space of like ten minutes. And so we

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were watching these and I called Lucy and I said,

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come on, have a look at this, and she's you know,

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we were both watching these orbs, and that was the

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end of that. And I thought, if I'm seeing these things,

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you know, if these things are showing themselves again, I'm

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going to buy myself para binoculars. So I bought a

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pair of binoculars and I put them. They're still there.

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They're still by the back door. So I left him

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by the back door just in case anything else happened.

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And I've got my binoculars just in case. Now. I

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said earlier that I'm my landscape gardener. Back then I

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just used to do or just basic gardening. And at

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the time I was listening to a lot of podcasts

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about UFOs and encounters and stuff like that, and there

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was a guy that it wasn't Stephen Greer, it was

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some other guy that was going on about C five

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where you can call these UFOs down and they'll appear

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to you. And I was listening to this and I thought,

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I'm sure I could do this. So I was I

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think it was lunchtime, and I was at the back

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of one of my customers gardens where I used to work.

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There a big million pound houses, massive gardens, loads of

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land in a place called edge Baston, and so I

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sat at the back of the garden of the customer

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and I thought, right, I'm going to do what this

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what this podcast, what the person on this podcast was describing.

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So you just sit and you meditate and you ask.

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So that's what I did. So I'm meditating and my

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customer had gone out to play golf, so I was

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just sat there in the back of the garden on

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my own and I was meditating, and in my head

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I was saying, you know, calling out, you know, with respect,

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you know, and all that, all that sort of spill.

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And I started hearing these helicopters and I thought that

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that's what I'd summoned. I thought it'd summoned the helicopters.

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So when I walked onto the lawn to see what

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this helicopter was doing, there was actually an orb the

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size of a car, a black I described its the

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pokermon ball. It was kind of gray dark underneath, and

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then another shade of dark on top. And this was

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quite a little bit above treetop level above the houses,

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probably if you're looking at the clock, probably ten o'clock

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as you're looking up. I don't know what degree that

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would be. And this ball orb thing was just moving

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towards me, and there were three military helicopters just circling it.

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And the whole thing was dangerous because it was above

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There was a reservoir nearby, Edgebaston Reservoir. There should have

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been a lot of witnesses to it. I've never never

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read any accounts other than my own. And this what

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I described as a Pokemon ball was moving towards me,

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and these military helicopters were it looked like it was

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ushering or bullying this ball away, so it couldn't come

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anywhere near me. So I'm stood there, and of course

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I didn't take a vote of it. Didn't take a film.

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I had my phone on me. I don't think I

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had an Ericsson phone. I don't think that it had

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a camera on it or any like that, but even

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if it did, there was no point. I didn't even

477
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think to take a photo of it. So once that

478
00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:11,880
had finished, that had all moved back into the sky

479
00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:15,840
away from where I was, So I understood there, dumb, dumbfounded.

480
00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:22,039
So I phoned Lucy up and I said, you know,

481
00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:25,159
you'll never guess what I've just seen. I went to

482
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:27,400
explain what I was seeing, and she said, before you

483
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,079
go any further, she said, who he's on the phone

484
00:34:29,079 --> 00:34:33,159
with you? And I said, there's no one on the

485
00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:36,159
phone on my own and she said I can hear

486
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,159
voices on the phone and I said no, I'm literally

487
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:44,199
in the in the garden on my own. Again, we

488
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:49,440
don't know who who she was hearing. So that was

489
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,559
the next kind of UFO that we saw, or that

490
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:58,679
I saw. So we had the cam trails with the orbs.

491
00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:03,079
Then a week later, I've had this helicopter, this orb

492
00:35:03,639 --> 00:35:08,119
pokemon board type thing that I, for all intense purposes,

493
00:35:08,159 --> 00:35:12,400
summoned out the sky, and then all of a sudden,

494
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:19,639
I start getting these military helicopters flying overhead everywhere, any

495
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:24,960
everywhere I went. Then a few times a day when

496
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,480
I went home, they'd be over the house. Befo I

497
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,920
went to the shops, you'd have one go over. And

498
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,559
this was a just It just got to a point

499
00:35:34,559 --> 00:35:37,119
where I was texting Lucy every day saying, there's a

500
00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:40,920
third military helicopter. It's gone over, it's a fourth one.

501
00:35:41,159 --> 00:35:44,760
I got bored of texting her telling her and man

502
00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:50,599
helicopters I was seeing and they were flying relatively quite low.

503
00:35:52,280 --> 00:36:00,440
And then so we uh, so's that again. And this

504
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:05,920
is all happening in the summer of twenty twelve. So

505
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:11,400
a couple of nights later, we were we were dancing

506
00:36:11,559 --> 00:36:14,840
in the living room, we were having a drink, and

507
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:19,239
we were chatting to somebody on Messenger and they were

508
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:23,239
in America. Now, I used to be part of a

509
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,840
crop Circle Facebook group and I'd befriended a few people

510
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,199
from that, and this woman was part of that, so

511
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:34,280
we were chatting to her. It was late at night,

512
00:36:34,519 --> 00:36:38,599
so if we're say ten o'clock, it would have been

513
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:45,199
probably six o'clock there. So we're dancing around and everything

514
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,559
was merry, and we said, you know, she would wrap

515
00:36:48,559 --> 00:36:51,280
it up for the night we go to bed. Yeah, yeah, okay,

516
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,119
so we agreed we'll go to bed. So we shut

517
00:36:53,159 --> 00:36:57,239
everything down. We said goodbye to our friend and we

518
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:02,159
walked into the hallway to go to bed, and there

519
00:37:02,159 --> 00:37:06,239
were these two orbs in the in the hallway. Now,

520
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:10,800
these orbs were one was head height, the other one

521
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:16,679
was ankle height, and they were pulsating. One was red, sorry,

522
00:37:16,679 --> 00:37:20,400
one was blue, one was orange, and they were I

523
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:24,119
can't I can only describe it as pulsating, like fizzing.

524
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:33,760
They were like fizzing really quickly, pulsating and fizzing, and

525
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,360
and I, you know, I knew that we'd had to drink,

526
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,800
but we both started and Lucy said, are you looking

527
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,480
at this? And I said, yeah, I can see this,

528
00:37:44,519 --> 00:37:51,039
and then if they vanished, and then we just went

529
00:37:51,079 --> 00:37:53,559
to bed. We didn't think think anything of it. And

530
00:37:53,639 --> 00:37:56,400
when we spoke to our friend the next night on

531
00:37:57,519 --> 00:38:02,320
from America, I said, I said, oh, you know, we

532
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,000
had this experience last night when we went to bed,

533
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:10,840
and she said, she said, when I switched my computer off,

534
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:15,280
she said, I saw an orange or in the in

535
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:20,119
the in the living room. Now, she was, you know,

536
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,320
she lived in America. We're in England.

537
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: So this.

538
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure where the link is with her

539
00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:32,400
seeing an orb in her living room and us seeing

540
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:38,719
these flashing orbs in our hallway. Anyway, that was that

541
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,559
we put it to put it to one side, and

542
00:38:41,639 --> 00:38:48,719
then I was hearing this animal This is all this

543
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,920
animal noise was all within the same kind of time frame.

544
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,880
I kept hearing this. It sounded like a between a

545
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:01,559
dog and a cat, kind of growling and meowing at

546
00:39:01,559 --> 00:39:03,480
the same time, but it was kind of faint, and

547
00:39:03,519 --> 00:39:06,239
it was coming from the hall and I kept hearing

548
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:11,159
this every every other night, and I didn't really say

549
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:15,000
much to Lucy about it until she said to me,

550
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,039
I keep hearing this noise. And I said, you know,

551
00:39:18,639 --> 00:39:21,280
what does it sound like? So she told me that

552
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:27,559
she keeps hearing this animal noise, this between a cat

553
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:30,519
and a dog, growling and meowing at the same time.

554
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,519
And I said, well, I keep hearing the same thing.

555
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:40,320
And we couldn't really work out what that was. And

556
00:39:40,599 --> 00:39:44,199
we'd gone to the cinema, Lucy and I, and we've

557
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:48,760
got we'd left our youngest daughter. She would have been

558
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,199
she would have been about I'm going I say twelve

559
00:39:55,280 --> 00:40:01,840
at the time, about twelve ten, between ten and twelve,

560
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,199
and she was with a friend, Lucy and I have

561
00:40:05,199 --> 00:40:09,920
gone to the cinema and Lucy's phone kept going off

562
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,920
while we're at the cinema and I said, to you know,

563
00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:16,039
Tony's phone off, you know, watching the film, and she said,

564
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,960
it's Nave. Neve's our youngest. She said, it's Knave. She

565
00:40:21,039 --> 00:40:24,239
keeps phoning. I'm gonna have to take take this phone call.

566
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,360
So she went out and she came back and she said,

567
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,480
you're never You're never going to guess what she's just

568
00:40:29,519 --> 00:40:31,760
been telling me. And I thought she was going to

569
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,400
say she's made a wigie board or something, and she said, no, no, no,

570
00:40:36,599 --> 00:40:39,239
She had her in a chick skirt on the settee.

571
00:40:40,119 --> 00:40:44,039
Because they can hear this animal in the hallway and

572
00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:46,239
it sounds like a cat and a dog, but they

573
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,119
can't work out what it is, and they're absolutely terrified.

574
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,880
So we had to cut the film short and come home.

575
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:59,480
We kept on hearing it, you know, for weeks on end,

576
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,599
and we'd go out into the hall. We still couldn't

577
00:41:02,599 --> 00:41:09,159
work out where this thing was coming from. Another night,

578
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:16,280
another afternoon. We were playing badminton on the field and

579
00:41:18,119 --> 00:41:20,840
we were we were wrapping it up. At about five

580
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:25,880
six o'clock the sun had gone down, and we both

581
00:41:26,039 --> 00:41:32,480
noticed the sky was really weird. There was a grid.

582
00:41:32,679 --> 00:41:36,039
You could see a grid, and it was like it

583
00:41:36,119 --> 00:41:40,119
was like a ghost, a ghostly grid that was just hovering,

584
00:41:41,599 --> 00:41:46,360
like coming in and out of existence, if you like.

585
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:51,239
It was really faint. But now I knew that it

586
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,400
wasn't the rays of the sun because we you know,

587
00:41:55,440 --> 00:42:01,239
we've we've lived here, we'd lived here enough times to

588
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,480
enough years to know what the sun looked like coming

589
00:42:04,519 --> 00:42:07,840
down when it was setting. This was a grid high

590
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,880
up in the sky, and we were kind of wondering

591
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,800
if we it's some kind of portal had opened, and

592
00:42:16,519 --> 00:42:19,000
I think things are coming in, things are coming out,

593
00:42:19,079 --> 00:42:24,039
things are you know, we'd had this. We've had the

594
00:42:24,159 --> 00:42:26,239
orbs that were in the house. We had the orbs

595
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,239
that were in the sky above the house. In the chemtrails.

596
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:37,440
We heard these this animal, strange animal thing. And then

597
00:42:41,079 --> 00:42:44,440
it kind of came to a bit of a head

598
00:42:44,679 --> 00:42:51,280
when I was at I was at the computer desk

599
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:59,880
on the computer and I heard this plant pot before

600
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:04,199
in the hallway in the sorry in the porch, this

601
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:09,400
plant pot just fell randomly, and I looked and in

602
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,800
my head it was like a trigger, and the trigger

603
00:43:12,039 --> 00:43:16,360
was go outside, you're going to see something now. Right

604
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,840
in front of me were my binoculars that i'd bought

605
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:23,280
previously from a couple of weeks ago when we'd seen

606
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:29,679
the the chemtrails. So I took the binoculars. I went outside.

607
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,159
Like I said, I was told in my head it

608
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:38,119
was like a telepathic message, whatever you want to call it.

609
00:43:39,519 --> 00:43:42,360
So I'm looking up at the sky with the binoculars

610
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,639
and I can see this line that So the sky

611
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:52,159
is blue, and there's clouds, you know, faint clouds all

612
00:43:52,159 --> 00:43:53,840
the way around, but there's a big patch of blue

613
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,559
sky and I'm just looking with the binoculars and I

614
00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:01,000
can see this line looks like a little line like

615
00:44:01,159 --> 00:44:06,559
way up in the atmosphere, and it's coming down, and

616
00:44:06,599 --> 00:44:08,760
obviously as it's coming down, it's getting bigger and bigger.

617
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:15,119
And the only way I could describe it, this thing,

618
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:21,000
whatever it was, was a caterpillar. Now this caterpillar, I

619
00:44:21,079 --> 00:44:25,119
call it a caterpillar. It came down and it was

620
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,760
just below a cloud level. So I'm not quite sure

621
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,360
how high that would be. Anyway, I've got this thing

622
00:44:33,519 --> 00:44:38,000
in my binoculars and it's full of filled up the binoculars,

623
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,039
you can see everything, every detail. Now, this thing was

624
00:44:42,039 --> 00:44:44,880
made up of orbs stuck together and they were red

625
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,320
and white. And at the base at the end of

626
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:52,880
the this caterpillar were these two hooks, and the hooks

627
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,119
were kind of pivoting. They were moving back like around

628
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:04,440
and the top the caterpillar was like a big ball,

629
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:09,159
but it was in a cup, and the ball itself,

630
00:45:10,039 --> 00:45:15,199
the head of this caterpillar thing had horns, and this

631
00:45:15,199 --> 00:45:17,519
thing was the head of it. This thing was moving

632
00:45:17,639 --> 00:45:21,320
inside what looked like a cup, and it was luminescence.

633
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:26,199
It was glowing from the inside. And it had what

634
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,360
looked like protrusion like arms, but like made up of

635
00:45:29,519 --> 00:45:34,280
more smaller orbs. And this thing was writhing around and

636
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:39,880
it looked like it looked like a caterpillar court on

637
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,239
a on a thread. That's the only way I could

638
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:47,400
describe it. And this thing was writhing around. Now, this

639
00:45:47,559 --> 00:45:56,199
was on the fifteenth of July. Fifteenth of July twenty twelve,

640
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:02,440
and Lucy said to me, out of the blue, that

641
00:46:02,519 --> 00:46:04,119
was it. I called her and I said, loose, come

642
00:46:04,159 --> 00:46:05,880
and have a look at this. So she grabbed the

643
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,840
binoculars and she looked at this thing. She said, is

644
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,960
it an angel? And I said, I said an angel?

645
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,719
You know, I mean we're not religious and never got

646
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,559
no interest in religions all right now, or she hasn't anyway,

647
00:46:21,559 --> 00:46:27,039
And she said is this an angel? And I said, no,

648
00:46:27,079 --> 00:46:30,800
it's not an angel. I said it to me, it

649
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:34,920
looks like a biological UFO. So I called the children.

650
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,199
The children looked out of the bedroom window. They've got

651
00:46:37,199 --> 00:46:39,920
a better eyesight than I have, so they were looking

652
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:44,920
at it with a naked eye, and they'd obviously said

653
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:51,119
a few choice words. They couldn't understand what this thing was.

654
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,400
This lasted for about a minute or two, and then

655
00:46:54,440 --> 00:47:00,360
it just rose back up and that was the end

656
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:04,880
of that. And then we came in and except my

657
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,000
brain going again, and I thought, I've got to find

658
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:13,920
out what this thing is. And Lucy said, no, just

659
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,360
leave it. We don't know what it is. Don't bother

660
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,920
with it. She was so dismissive of it. But I

661
00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:22,800
was dead certain I needed to find out what this

662
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:27,280
thing was. Trying to do a lot of research. That evening,

663
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:36,480
we were sat watching TV and we had we had

664
00:47:36,519 --> 00:47:40,280
a big cabinet, big pine cabinet, and on the cabinet

665
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:44,519
was a fish tank, and on the wall was the mirror,

666
00:47:45,199 --> 00:47:49,360
and next to the fish tank was a lamp, and

667
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:54,159
we was watching TV and this stream of light just

668
00:47:54,239 --> 00:48:00,119
came out of the lamp. Again, the only way I

669
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:04,599
could describe it when Sally Anne in was it Sallyann

670
00:48:04,679 --> 00:48:10,599
or Maryanne in Poltergeist, She's sat watching TV the static

671
00:48:11,079 --> 00:48:14,159
and the hand comes out. It was exactly the same

672
00:48:14,199 --> 00:48:17,440
as that, but it was just one long stream of

673
00:48:17,519 --> 00:48:20,719
light that just came out. Wasn't a ball that separated.

674
00:48:21,639 --> 00:48:23,800
It was a stream that came out of the lamp.

675
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,199
I sort of described it as a bent piece of copper.

676
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:33,000
And then it went into the mirror. And then Lucy

677
00:48:33,039 --> 00:48:36,679
and I just looked at each other and we just thought, yeah,

678
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:41,159
that's fine, that's just another weird thing that's happened. And

679
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,360
that was that was kind of like things started to

680
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:51,239
settle down after that. Nothing else happened then, and then

681
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,519
it was it was only a few years ago that

682
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,920
it just happened to be flicking through a crop circle

683
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,480
book I'd got rid of all my books, but I

684
00:49:01,559 --> 00:49:04,800
kept a crop circle book and I just happened to

685
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,480
be flicking through the crop circle book and I came

686
00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:14,519
across this crop circle and it was from nineteen ninety

687
00:49:14,559 --> 00:49:22,039
four and it was called the Scorpion crop circle and

688
00:49:22,119 --> 00:49:28,519
it would been laid July the fifteenth. Now, if you

689
00:49:28,639 --> 00:49:36,559
google on images Scorpion crop circle nineteen ninety four, you'll

690
00:49:36,599 --> 00:49:39,960
see the crop circle I'm on about. That is the

691
00:49:40,199 --> 00:49:45,960
exact representation of the UFO that I saw in twenty twelve,

692
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:47,800
July fifteenth.

693
00:49:52,679 --> 00:49:57,039
Speaker 1: What was the date again, July fifteenth of twenty twelve.

694
00:49:58,119 --> 00:50:04,559
Speaker 2: So that was my sight in the the crop circle

695
00:50:04,599 --> 00:50:10,519
appeared in nineteen ninety four, July fifteenth.

696
00:50:13,559 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: M hm.

697
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 2: So again you've got this synchronicity, you know, you've got

698
00:50:21,199 --> 00:50:26,960
you know, I've seen this biological creature thing, and it's

699
00:50:26,639 --> 00:50:31,119
a it's an exact copy of a crop circle from

700
00:50:31,199 --> 00:50:36,400
ninety four. And it's only tonight, before I started talking

701
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:40,639
to you that it dawned on me. Is this. I

702
00:50:40,679 --> 00:50:44,039
always thought when I put the two and two together

703
00:50:44,039 --> 00:50:47,119
and the dates were the same, I put two and

704
00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:51,039
two together and I thought, okay, so maybe maybe the

705
00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:57,519
creature that I saw the biological UFO is are there

706
00:50:58,079 --> 00:51:01,239
is the thing that has caused some of the crop circles,

707
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,199
because some of the crop circles from ninety four look

708
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:08,320
very similar to the scorpion one that I've just mentioned,

709
00:51:08,519 --> 00:51:14,679
and I thought, maybe maybe that's what's creating them. And

710
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:19,519
it's only tonight I wondered, could that UFO that I

711
00:51:19,559 --> 00:51:26,880
saw had just taken on that form as a way

712
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:36,440
of falling me? Because I think when you when you

713
00:51:36,519 --> 00:51:39,840
delve deep into the UFO field, you see there's a

714
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,840
lot of I think there's a lot of deception going

715
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:51,159
on with it, a bit like a bit like the

716
00:51:51,159 --> 00:51:54,119
paranorl like when you do a ouiji border a sounce,

717
00:51:54,639 --> 00:51:59,199
you never quite know who he's coming through, And I

718
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,920
wonder if the UFO phenomena is very similar where it's

719
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:10,159
like like a cat and mouse kind of verty deceptive.

720
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: Mm hm. When it comes to the whole UFO thing

721
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:21,400
in general, I don't really A lot of the time,

722
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,159
I think a lot of the things that people are

723
00:52:23,199 --> 00:52:28,639
seeing are us in the sense that some of the

724
00:52:28,679 --> 00:52:35,199
craft might be in government military and they're keeping it

725
00:52:35,199 --> 00:52:38,079
a secret yep. And then a lot of the time

726
00:52:38,199 --> 00:52:41,039
I'm like when people say they see these things and

727
00:52:41,079 --> 00:52:44,599
this and that, and I'm like, I don't doubt that

728
00:52:44,639 --> 00:52:46,280
you're not seeing things, But I don't know if they're

729
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:51,239
necessarily aliens or extra trail or whatever you want to

730
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:56,599
call it. I don't know if it's that. But lately,

731
00:52:56,639 --> 00:52:58,840
with these orbs and these smaller things and some of

732
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:03,199
the things that are doing a lot of the crazy movements,

733
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:07,039
I don't think a human could survive the movements. That's

734
00:53:07,039 --> 00:53:08,719
where I start to question, especially the things that you

735
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,159
see bleed in and out, like those are almost like

736
00:53:11,199 --> 00:53:13,239
the stuff that's coming in and out of our reality.

737
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,639
Speaker 2: Well, if you think about it, if you remember the

738
00:53:17,679 --> 00:53:19,559
story that I said about when we went into the

739
00:53:19,559 --> 00:53:25,880
hallway and there were flashing orbs, if you lived in

740
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:31,800
Ireland fifty six years ago, they would be considered fairies.

741
00:53:33,679 --> 00:53:40,639
If you lived in Scandinavia, they'd be considered goblins. Because

742
00:53:40,679 --> 00:53:46,519
we have a bit more of a understanding of UFOs

743
00:53:46,559 --> 00:53:49,760
and stuff like that, we associate it with well I

744
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:55,800
associate it with UFOs, so it's almost like a cultural thing,

745
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:02,039
you know. Although I think there was no form to

746
00:54:02,119 --> 00:54:06,440
these orbs, there were pulse eating When you look at

747
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:13,039
pictures of you know, Victorian Victorian pictures of fairies. They

748
00:54:13,079 --> 00:54:20,679
often appear to have what looked likes sparkles of light.

749
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:30,639
They often sparkle, and I think I often wonder is

750
00:54:31,079 --> 00:54:35,320
are what our ancestors have seen, you know, when they've

751
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:40,239
called them fairies, are they actually part of the UFO phenomena?

752
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:44,360
You know, when you have fairies that take children away?

753
00:54:45,199 --> 00:54:49,920
In England, a lot of old houses you'll have a

754
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:54,360
shoe look of an old I think it's I think

755
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:58,039
they used to put a girl's shoe in the wall

756
00:54:58,199 --> 00:55:01,239
at the top of the stairs. What that was to do,

757
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:06,599
that was to fall any goblins or sprites into thinking

758
00:55:06,639 --> 00:55:08,679
that there was a girl there, because it was often

759
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,480
the boys that were taken. This is that this is

760
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:18,039
old English folklore and you can still find these shoes

761
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,400
and the stories behind these shoes. People believed, you know,

762
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,000
people believed that strongly that their children were going to

763
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:30,519
be taken away by these spirits or these you know,

764
00:55:31,119 --> 00:55:36,599
fairies or whatnot. But then if you think about the

765
00:55:36,639 --> 00:55:43,480
alien abduction scenario, it all it's almost like the same

766
00:55:43,559 --> 00:55:49,599
story but with different characters. You know, the the alien

767
00:55:49,639 --> 00:55:55,199
abduction would you'd have these small creatures coming, and you know,

768
00:55:55,239 --> 00:56:00,400
this is sort of what people have suggested. Small each's

769
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:05,639
gray's large eyes. They come in, abduct you in your sleep,

770
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,280
do experiments with you, and drop you back. It's very

771
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,960
much the same as the goblins and fairies that we

772
00:56:14,159 --> 00:56:18,679
take children, you know. So what I'm saying is, are

773
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:22,519
we just catching up with what folklore has been telling

774
00:56:22,599 --> 00:56:23,239
us all along.

775
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: I've had conversations with others too, and I've said it

776
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,199
multiple times. I think a lot of this stuff is

777
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,400
related one way or the other, like when it comes

778
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:37,239
to UFOs, when it comes to Faye, when it comes

779
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:43,760
to even paranormal they're in cryptal things that we're all experiencing.

780
00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:47,719
What if it is all connected in the sense that

781
00:56:48,119 --> 00:56:51,559
it's all from this different existence that we don't normally see,

782
00:56:51,639 --> 00:56:54,480
but that's what comes over into our reality. We're calling

783
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,480
them aliens, we're calling them demons, we're calling them whatever.

784
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,360
What if it's all one and the scene it's something

785
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,480
from a different frequency, a different plane of existence that

786
00:57:04,519 --> 00:57:06,719
we can't normally see or interact with.

787
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, my question then would be is it the Is

788
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:18,440
it the individual that is causing these things to be

789
00:57:18,519 --> 00:57:24,480
attracted to a home or or is it something else,

790
00:57:24,559 --> 00:57:26,039
you know? Is it the person or.

791
00:57:28,079 --> 00:57:31,079
Speaker 1: I don't know, a lot of people that have experiences

792
00:57:31,119 --> 00:57:34,480
seem to have a lot more experiences than the average person.

793
00:57:34,639 --> 00:57:37,760
Like if just from doing this show and I've said it,

794
00:57:39,159 --> 00:57:42,559
and now that I've said it to me, it's like

795
00:57:43,159 --> 00:57:45,440
I kind of go back on it. But originally I

796
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:49,519
always thought when people had all these fantastical stories I

797
00:57:49,559 --> 00:57:52,880
saw UFO, Well I also saw this and I've got paranormals.

798
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,199
I'm like, well, how is some person having all these

799
00:57:56,239 --> 00:57:58,840
experience and it makes no sense? Why would what makes

800
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,880
you special? Yeah, And the more and more I've looked

801
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:06,360
into it, there that connection is there?

802
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:08,039
Speaker 2: Oh gotcha? Yeah.

803
00:58:08,079 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: So, like my perspective has kind of changed in the

804
00:58:11,079 --> 00:58:13,480
fact when people say they've had all these experiences, I

805
00:58:13,519 --> 00:58:17,840
don't necessarily just write it off because maybe they are

806
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,039
having all these experiences. And again, like you said, is

807
00:58:20,039 --> 00:58:20,679
it the person?

808
00:58:21,639 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 2: Well, this is what This is why I said to

809
00:58:23,519 --> 00:58:27,079
you right at the beginning when we saw this, well,

810
00:58:27,079 --> 00:58:30,559
when Lucy saw this black figure come through the come

811
00:58:30,559 --> 00:58:35,840
through the room, and she said, the frequency changed. That's

812
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:41,440
why I said earlier on whether there was a UFO

813
00:58:43,559 --> 00:58:46,760
around or if there was some kind of interaction that

814
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:50,280
we didn't know about, and that was a byproduct. You know,

815
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,639
if you if you take a fighter jet and you

816
00:58:52,679 --> 00:58:56,280
and you fly it at the speed of sound or

817
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,159
just over the speed of sound, you have a sonic boom.

818
00:58:59,519 --> 00:59:04,679
That's a by product of the plane interacting with the

819
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:12,840
atmosphere around. And I wonder if, I wonder if because

820
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:17,039
I mean, I've watched quite quite a lot of most

821
00:59:17,119 --> 00:59:21,039
haunted and ghost you know, ghost investigations and things like that,

822
00:59:21,199 --> 00:59:25,199
And there was a particular American one years and years ago,

823
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,599
and what they realized was that the house that was

824
00:59:29,639 --> 00:59:34,039
having all this activity, the house was wired in a

825
00:59:34,079 --> 00:59:39,400
particular way where all the wiring was kind of going

826
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,800
in a loop. And I know, you know, you have

827
00:59:43,039 --> 00:59:46,639
a ring maine for you downstairs and the same upstairs.

828
00:59:46,679 --> 00:59:51,199
But the particular way this house was wired meant that

829
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,960
they were suggesting that it was almost creating a kind

830
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:03,960
of vortex which was attracting these experiences. So I'm wondering

831
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:09,280
if you know, the propulsion of a craft has the

832
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:13,639
same effect on the atmosphere, which then the byproducts of

833
01:00:13,679 --> 01:00:18,000
that is it opens up these kind of portals, rifts

834
01:00:18,039 --> 01:00:23,239
in time. If you want to say it and lets

835
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:24,320
these things come through.

836
01:00:26,039 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 1: M It's weird in the last few years, how more

837
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,760
and more people are starting to lean this way. And

838
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:37,800
I don't know if it's because of podcasts and people

839
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,159
are listening to stuff like this and their minds are

840
01:00:40,159 --> 01:00:43,119
more open to it, or are we possibly all just

841
01:00:43,199 --> 01:00:47,039
starting to tune in more to that, because I feel

842
01:00:47,079 --> 01:00:49,440
like ten years ago, if someone would have said something

843
01:00:49,519 --> 01:00:53,000
like this, most people have still thrown you out. It's

844
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:56,199
called you crazy or whatever. But today it's not so

845
01:00:57,079 --> 01:00:57,679
out there.

846
01:00:59,239 --> 01:01:03,519
Speaker 2: When all this happen, And in twenty twelve, I started

847
01:01:03,559 --> 01:01:07,199
getting messages from people that did podcasts and who did

848
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:13,559
run UFO groups, and I was asked to be a

849
01:01:13,599 --> 01:01:21,440
guest speaker at quite a well known UFO conference in London.

850
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,320
So I went and did that, and I always remember

851
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:27,800
the first It was my first proper big talk, if

852
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,159
you like, and I think I went into a lot

853
01:01:30,199 --> 01:01:34,719
more detail than what I've done tonight. But the one

854
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,119
thing I said, and I remember starting it off, and

855
01:01:37,719 --> 01:01:41,320
I said, what I'm going to tell you. If somebody

856
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:45,360
told me, I probably wouldn't believe it. That's how I start.

857
01:01:45,679 --> 01:01:48,880
I used to start my talks because I think the

858
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:55,920
thing is, I think over the years, people there's more

859
01:01:55,960 --> 01:02:01,360
platforms for people to talk, there's more platforms for people

860
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:05,559
to be open, and the more people that do these talks.

861
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:09,159
I mean, the reason why I'm sat up at half

862
01:02:09,599 --> 01:02:13,480
three now in the morning is because I want to

863
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,920
get my story to other people that may have had

864
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:20,639
similar experiences that can then message me and say, I've

865
01:02:20,639 --> 01:02:23,199
had this strange thing happened to me. That's just the

866
01:02:23,199 --> 01:02:27,679
same insurance and maybe over time put pieces of the

867
01:02:27,719 --> 01:02:28,519
puzzle together.

868
01:02:32,599 --> 01:02:35,119
Speaker 1: I think there's so many puzzle pieces out there that

869
01:02:35,159 --> 01:02:38,679
we're only getting bits and pieces. I listened to some

870
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:40,800
other podcasts and they've said it the same way I

871
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:44,480
just kind of did. We're all fed little pieces, and

872
01:02:44,559 --> 01:02:46,920
I think there's a lot of us trying to take

873
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:51,320
these weird pieces and put them together for this big puzzle. Yeah,

874
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:55,159
and we're still missing a lot of the pieces.

875
01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 2: I think. I think when it comes to maybe the

876
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:05,719
government and what the government know, I would recommend not

877
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:10,320
even bothering to pay attention to what you think the

878
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:14,159
government knows. I would pay more attention to what the

879
01:03:14,239 --> 01:03:18,320
average Joe down the street is talking about on these podcasts.

880
01:03:19,119 --> 01:03:24,280
That's where I think the phenomena is kind of real.

881
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:27,920
That's where you're going to get the real stories from

882
01:03:28,199 --> 01:03:31,679
the problem with you know, the main we have it

883
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:38,599
here on mainstream TV now, where years ago they put

884
01:03:38,599 --> 01:03:41,920
a story out on the news and it would always

885
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:47,440
be accompanied with X files music and it wouldn't be

886
01:03:47,519 --> 01:03:55,360
taken seriously, whereas now they're kind of almost owning a narrative.

887
01:03:55,639 --> 01:03:59,000
So what you'll find is that what you see on

888
01:03:59,039 --> 01:04:02,159
the mainstream and what the government tell you is a

889
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:06,159
narrative that they want you to go along with, but

890
01:04:06,199 --> 01:04:09,079
it doesn't necessarily mean it's the narrative of the individual

891
01:04:09,519 --> 01:04:13,800
that's experienced it. And I think, I mean, I've spoken

892
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:21,159
to countless other experiences and their stories are some of

893
01:04:21,159 --> 01:04:24,800
them are far more exotic than mine. Some of them

894
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:28,119
are not quite exotic, but they still have the elements

895
01:04:28,119 --> 01:04:34,239
of strange things that have happened that need listening to,

896
01:04:34,599 --> 01:04:39,280
and you know, with a bit of discernment, piecing together

897
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:42,119
what I was going to say earlier though, when I

898
01:04:42,159 --> 01:04:46,599
was talking about the Bible and the Book of Revelations,

899
01:04:46,719 --> 01:04:51,960
the one thing I'd come out of this depression, if

900
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:55,960
you like, and it was self induced from you know,

901
01:04:56,119 --> 01:05:00,880
over indulgence of you know, the paranormals like that. As

902
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:05,119
I explained earlier. But the one thing that the Eureka

903
01:05:05,239 --> 01:05:10,239
moment was. The Book of Revelations is a classic UFO abduction,

904
01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:16,679
which I've gone I've done. I did a radio show

905
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:22,480
interview and I had to go back three times. I

906
01:05:22,519 --> 01:05:26,920
did it three three weeks, consecutive weeks of about three

907
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:31,760
hours each time to try and explain what my theory was.

908
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:37,320
My theory, as far as I'm concerned, makes total sense.

909
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:46,400
So this, this whole alien abduction inter alien interaction UFO interaction,

910
01:05:47,159 --> 01:05:52,880
in my eyes, goes way back throughout history, probably pre

911
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:57,519
It's probably something that we've always had. You know, it's

912
01:05:57,639 --> 01:06:02,039
nothing new, it's not from hasn't never started in nineteen

913
01:06:02,119 --> 01:06:07,119
forty seven, you know, with Roswell, it was going on

914
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:11,159
thousands of years before that. As far as I'm concerned.

915
01:06:11,239 --> 01:06:15,679
Speaker 1: If you look into the lore of Europe you mentioned,

916
01:06:15,679 --> 01:06:19,360
like the faith, there's been stories long before forty seven.

917
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:24,960
And I don't want to throw in the ancient astronaut

918
01:06:25,079 --> 01:06:27,599
theory because it gets tossed around all the time, but

919
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:32,840
I still feel like there is some bit of plausibility

920
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:35,800
to that in the sense of when you look at

921
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:39,039
pyramids and how they were built. I understand they claimed

922
01:06:39,079 --> 01:06:41,199
that they were done by slaves and they were being

923
01:06:41,239 --> 01:06:45,400
pulled by a pulley system. Yeah, okay, that's whatever they

924
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:49,280
can that. Maybe that's true, But how do you can

925
01:06:50,159 --> 01:06:52,920
how did everyone evolve to the point to where there

926
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:56,760
was pyramids and China pyramids and Egypt pyramids in South

927
01:06:56,800 --> 01:07:01,920
America around the same time frame. What made everyone start

928
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,039
to just start building pyramids?

929
01:07:05,199 --> 01:07:11,679
Speaker 2: Do you want to hear my theory, my ancient astronaut theory, Sure, right,

930
01:07:12,559 --> 01:07:16,960
And I think we're seeing it unfold as we speak.

931
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:21,960
We've seen it unfold now, and I'll explain. My belief

932
01:07:22,039 --> 01:07:27,880
is that thousands of years ago, we've had high technology,

933
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:34,559
high you know, advanced civilization. I also believe that we

934
01:07:35,239 --> 01:07:41,079
probably managed to go off planet, some of us at

935
01:07:41,159 --> 01:07:46,239
least off planet. Now, if you think today, we've got

936
01:07:46,239 --> 01:07:53,960
people in remote islands that have barely seen another human,

937
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:57,760
another modern human being, and they still live in as

938
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:01,800
fishermen in huts, and that's their way of believing. They

939
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:04,480
don't even they don't even consider that there's anything other

940
01:08:04,559 --> 01:08:10,400
than what their island is gives them. And if you

941
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:17,479
think back to the World War Two. I think it

942
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:24,119
was America stationed a lot of their aircraft in the Philippines,

943
01:08:25,239 --> 01:08:33,800
and when the Filipinos saw all these planes, the consensus

944
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:38,119
was that they thought that they were gods. So then

945
01:08:38,199 --> 01:08:41,640
when the war was over and all these planes left,

946
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:47,439
they they wanted the gods to come back. So they

947
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:53,079
saw the American airplanes has been piloted by the gods,

948
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:56,960
and it's what's known as a cargo cult. And I

949
01:08:57,039 --> 01:09:03,880
believe that world at the moment, we've got Elon Musk,

950
01:09:04,039 --> 01:09:09,119
that is, you know, doing these space walks and wanting

951
01:09:09,119 --> 01:09:13,560
to put humans on Mars. If you think how we've

952
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:18,479
evolved over just one hundred years, you know, if you

953
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:20,720
think where are we going to be in fifty years,

954
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,560
We're still going to have people in the Amazon that

955
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:28,039
are using bows and arrows to hunt. They're still going

956
01:09:28,079 --> 01:09:33,640
to be making wicker baskets, while people like billionaires are

957
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:40,439
walking on Mars in these million pound spacesuits. So did

958
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:44,920
you see the discrepancy between They're the same race of

959
01:09:45,039 --> 01:09:53,039
human being, but they're miles apart in their technology. Right,

960
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:58,640
So you imagine people that have traveled to Mars via

961
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:03,560
Elon Musk billionaires that have traveled to Mars. They're not

962
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:08,399
necessarily farmers. They're not necessarily people that know how to

963
01:10:09,399 --> 01:10:14,600
work the land. Now, imagine if the world was obliterated

964
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:17,800
by a comet, and let's say ninety percent of the

965
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:23,640
planet was wiped out, and all that's left is remnants

966
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:27,920
of what was there before. But yet the people that

967
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:34,079
had moved to Mars fifty years before come back, they

968
01:10:34,119 --> 01:10:38,960
would be considered gods. Now if the people from Mars,

969
01:10:39,039 --> 01:10:42,119
which aren't Martians, they're from Earth, but they just moved

970
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:46,880
to Mars that have come back to get more supplies

971
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,439
or you know, and they find that the Earth's been

972
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:53,720
obliterated by some comet or a flood or whatever, and

973
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:59,000
they find all the basic humans that are just scavengers.

974
01:10:59,039 --> 01:11:02,640
Now those scavengers will see these people coming in from

975
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:06,439
the sky and they will think that they're the savior.

976
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:12,960
Now it's human ego to use that for your own advantage.

977
01:11:14,319 --> 01:11:18,399
So my opinion is that that scenario that I've just

978
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:23,239
explained happened tens of thousands of years ago and will

979
01:11:23,279 --> 01:11:27,239
probably happen again. So the UFOs that we see today

980
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:31,359
may not be from another planet, but actually from ow,

981
01:11:32,119 --> 01:11:35,800
they could quite well be our ancestors that have moved

982
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:41,760
off planet from an earlier catastrophe. It's just that's just

983
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:43,079
my kind of theory.

984
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:49,039
Speaker 1: I've heard something similar to it, and honestly, it makes

985
01:11:49,079 --> 01:11:54,479
a lot of sense. Yeah, but I only start to wonder.

986
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:56,399
And this is where it goes back to when people

987
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:59,720
say they've been abducted, when they always the descriptions that

988
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:03,319
they give of what they see. But when you hear

989
01:12:03,399 --> 01:12:08,079
people talking about the Nords, the Platians pleading what everyone

990
01:12:08,159 --> 01:12:10,960
is pronounce the man they're described like us.

991
01:12:11,359 --> 01:12:11,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

992
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 1: So that's why I struggle with it because obviously I

993
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:22,359
don't know. But you hear your grades, you hear your reptili,

994
01:12:22,399 --> 01:12:24,319
and you hear your insectoid like there's all these different

995
01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:29,319
sort of races out there supposedly mm hm. So does

996
01:12:29,359 --> 01:12:32,159
that mean that those who are also two or we

997
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:35,319
that's from the That's where I don't know, and I

998
01:12:35,319 --> 01:12:36,520
don't think anyone really does.

999
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:41,159
Speaker 2: But although my sort of story, if you like, lends

1000
01:12:41,199 --> 01:12:46,319
itself to a possible alien abduction scenario with the you know,

1001
01:12:46,399 --> 01:12:51,760
the little workers, THEO I've never I will never ever

1002
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:55,000
say that that's what happened that I was abducted. I

1003
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:59,520
won't ever because there's no proof. The whole abduction thing

1004
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:04,479
could quite well be a psychological story, could be something

1005
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:07,279
that is inherent in all of us and just comes

1006
01:13:07,279 --> 01:13:12,000
out through the dream state when certain chemicals are released

1007
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:20,199
into the body during sleep. You know that that's another possibility.

1008
01:13:21,239 --> 01:13:25,079
The only problem with that theory is that you have

1009
01:13:25,159 --> 01:13:31,319
people that have physical and multiple witnesses to things that

1010
01:13:31,359 --> 01:13:35,439
have happened that you know, people that are you know,

1011
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:38,920
your classic Betty and Barney Hill that are out in

1012
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:44,600
the car, that are out in a car you know

1013
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:48,800
they're driving, and they both witness the same thing.

1014
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:54,640
Speaker 1: I actually had an interview with someone that mentioned that,

1015
01:13:54,800 --> 01:14:00,319
and not to sound I know everyone construes things as

1016
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:03,239
racism or whatever, but they claim in that interview that

1017
01:14:03,279 --> 01:14:06,199
if you ever notice, you don't hear very many African

1018
01:14:06,239 --> 01:14:12,039
American people being abducted. Yeah, that is the one time

1019
01:14:12,079 --> 01:14:16,039
that that has been documented. You don't ever hear about

1020
01:14:16,079 --> 01:14:18,119
it that often. And I was thinking, I was like,

1021
01:14:18,159 --> 01:14:20,079
you know what, that's kind of true. I haven't really

1022
01:14:20,119 --> 01:14:25,640
heard for many like any actual mainstream I don't almost

1023
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:28,680
to say mainstream, but like more known cases of that,

1024
01:14:29,119 --> 01:14:31,000
like Barney seems to be the only one that I

1025
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:32,640
can think of. And I don't know if that is

1026
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:36,399
because we're hearing America. We only think about it here.

1027
01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:39,880
Like obviously, there's a lot of people around the planet,

1028
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:44,279
so it's narrow minded to say that doesn't happen, you

1029
01:14:44,319 --> 01:14:48,000
know what I mean. But just for like cases I've

1030
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:50,399
actually heard about, I haven't heard anything about anyone else,

1031
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:52,439
at least in around America that's happened to.

1032
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:57,640
Speaker 2: Now that you've just mentioned that. Like I said, I've

1033
01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:03,520
listened to count this podcast of interviews with people that

1034
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:07,079
have claimed to be abducted and had the UFA encounters.

1035
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:10,520
Now that you've just mentioned that they're all white people,

1036
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:18,479
I can't think of any black men, men or woman

1037
01:15:19,319 --> 01:15:22,920
that I've ever listened to. It's always been Is that

1038
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:27,000
because they they haven't come forward yet, or is that

1039
01:15:27,239 --> 01:15:31,439
just the demographic of the UFO encounter.

1040
01:15:32,119 --> 01:15:34,119
Speaker 1: Which is weird in it itself as to why they

1041
01:15:34,159 --> 01:15:38,319
would only want white people, you know what I mean?

1042
01:15:38,359 --> 01:15:40,199
Like that doesn't make any sense to me either, Like

1043
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:44,800
I look at it in the sense of what we

1044
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:48,600
do now. Imagine if you're out on a boat and

1045
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:50,680
you're trying to tag a shark, well they're gonna do

1046
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:53,039
They're going to tag it pulled up there, they look

1047
01:15:53,079 --> 01:15:54,600
at it and inspect, and then they release it. We do

1048
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:56,760
that with almost every sort of animal. So if these

1049
01:15:56,840 --> 01:16:00,479
beans are actual beings kind of in the same sense

1050
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:02,680
of what they're doing with us, maybe they're picking us up,

1051
01:16:03,159 --> 01:16:06,760
checking us out, tagging us, releasing us, and see what

1052
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:09,439
we go on and do. Now you've heard the horror

1053
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:12,680
stories of where they do the hibernation or the all

1054
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:17,039
that other like taking babies or whatever for god knows

1055
01:16:17,039 --> 01:16:21,720
what reasons, And I'm not saying I don't believe in

1056
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:24,079
any of that. I don't really know. I've never experienced this.

1057
01:16:24,199 --> 01:16:28,159
I don't rule anything out, but I can't understand why

1058
01:16:28,159 --> 01:16:30,520
they would need us to do that. Unless this kind

1059
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:32,680
of goes back to what you were saying originally that

1060
01:16:34,399 --> 01:16:37,720
maybe we're actually offshoots from them. Maybe they are us

1061
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:42,640
that has evolved in space differently. Maybe I don't, like

1062
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:45,039
I said, I just just spitball here. But for me,

1063
01:16:46,399 --> 01:16:48,479
when it comes to all that stuff, it's like, where

1064
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:51,680
does this What is the point? I guess? And then

1065
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:54,319
when you look into the fact that it's only seems

1066
01:16:54,359 --> 01:17:00,600
to be white people being abducted, and a lot of

1067
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:04,840
the time it's the people that have the same blood type.

1068
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:06,840
I think it's type O negative blood type. It seems

1069
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:09,239
to be a real common trait between people that get abducted,

1070
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:11,359
the RH negative.

1071
01:17:11,319 --> 01:17:14,720
Speaker 2: That seems to be. I think they seem to have

1072
01:17:15,199 --> 01:17:22,439
the higher percentage of abductees or so called abducteas, they

1073
01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:25,199
tend to have the RH negative blood.

1074
01:17:26,199 --> 01:17:30,560
Speaker 1: It's peculiar in the sense because even when I talked

1075
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:33,760
to another guest that brought this up, and I've, like

1076
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:35,920
I said, this is my way of putting pieces of

1077
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:38,600
puzzle together by talking to different people. But I've when

1078
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:40,920
it comes to cattle mutilations, they think that they use

1079
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:44,560
the cattle, the things they cut out of them, they're

1080
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:49,960
using those to grow fetuses. And I thought about the

1081
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:52,159
fact that all this blood type is a universal blood

1082
01:17:52,199 --> 01:17:58,000
type for humans. So maybe they need those people's DNA

1083
01:17:58,119 --> 01:18:02,880
and their blood to bring these hybrids. Maybe that's how

1084
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:04,960
they go about doing that's why to take these certain people,

1085
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:08,600
because they can do that. And if they're using the

1086
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:15,279
cattle to embryo, create whatever, to incubate these babies, these

1087
01:18:15,359 --> 01:18:18,239
hybrid babies, maybe that's what all this is for. But again,

1088
01:18:18,279 --> 01:18:20,920
what is the point? Like, what are these using all

1089
01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:21,760
these hybrids for?

1090
01:18:23,159 --> 01:18:29,800
Speaker 2: If you so, I wrote, I've written two UFO books.

1091
01:18:30,359 --> 01:18:32,560
One of them is about my experiences. The other one

1092
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:37,039
is the link between the Book of Revelations and the

1093
01:18:37,079 --> 01:18:40,520
alien abduction thing. The one thing that you notice in

1094
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:46,399
the Book of Revelations is that it's the return of

1095
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:53,880
these gods that come and make the world a better place,

1096
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:59,359
shall we say? And if you look, if you read

1097
01:19:00,279 --> 01:19:05,800
David Jacob's work he used to do. I don't know

1098
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:07,920
if he still does it. I think he's probably in

1099
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:10,680
his eighties now. He used to do a lot of

1100
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:20,000
regression therapy for abductees in the late eighties. And I

1101
01:19:20,159 --> 01:19:24,119
read his book Secret Life. I think I've still got

1102
01:19:24,159 --> 01:19:29,600
it back in the early nineties, and all the accounts

1103
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:38,159
that he uncovered the hybrid He uncovered this whole hybridization

1104
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:46,319
program where these women were being impregnated and then they'd

1105
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:52,119
carry but the child for something like three months, and

1106
01:19:52,159 --> 01:19:55,600
then suddenly they the woman would not be pregnant anymore,

1107
01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:58,399
but the fetus would have been taken. And I think

1108
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:02,520
you just mentioned that you spoke to another woman. Was

1109
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:07,720
somebody else about this scenario and I think I listened

1110
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:12,560
to this. I listened to that podcast last week and

1111
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:15,600
it was the name Elizabeth.

1112
01:20:18,279 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 1: That was Laura.

1113
01:20:21,039 --> 01:20:25,760
Speaker 2: But yeah, David, if you read David Jaco's work Secret Life,

1114
01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:30,079
he describes how these people, these women go under hypnotic regression.

1115
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:34,560
They take in their regression, they're taken onto these ships

1116
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:41,800
and the hybrids that they see are in these cryogenic chambers,

1117
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:45,960
these you know tubes if you like. So the womb

1118
01:20:47,079 --> 01:20:50,039
you know, the cattle mutilation thing and using the wombs

1119
01:20:50,079 --> 01:20:53,760
of a cattle, I'm not sure if that if there's

1120
01:20:53,800 --> 01:21:00,319
any correlation with that I've heard. I've heard a few

1121
01:21:00,359 --> 01:21:04,800
stories about cattle mutilations. Again, back in it was big

1122
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:10,840
in like the eighties and nineties, yea, in England we

1123
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:16,119
had it where they you know, cattle would be just dissected,

1124
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:25,319
blood taken, eyes, everything taken surgically like laser precision. I'm

1125
01:21:25,359 --> 01:21:28,159
sure that I listened to a podcast about it, about

1126
01:21:28,319 --> 01:21:31,960
an expert in the field, and I think the consensus

1127
01:21:32,119 --> 01:21:35,600
was that it was almost there wasn't any real point

1128
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:38,399
to it other than to prove that they had the

1129
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:42,840
technology to do it, and that was kind of like

1130
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:46,640
the start and finish of it. There wasn't any much

1131
01:21:47,439 --> 01:21:49,000
There wasn't much of a point to it.

1132
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:51,640
Speaker 1: I think weird though, that they would just do it

1133
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:53,119
just to do it, and like, hey, look we can

1134
01:21:53,159 --> 01:21:54,760
do that. Why don't we to just show up down

1135
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:58,239
here and prove that you exist? Don't Well, it would

1136
01:21:58,279 --> 01:22:00,640
be the secret of that, and that concert doesn't make

1137
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:01,760
a whole lot of sense to me.

1138
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:04,600
Speaker 2: But I don't. I mean, look at the crop circle, right,

1139
01:22:06,079 --> 01:22:11,920
you know, I know, I know kind of second third

1140
01:22:12,039 --> 01:22:19,039
hand people that are supposedly involved in creating the crop circles.

1141
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:23,399
But then when you look at them, the crop circles,

1142
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:26,760
and you see how quickly they're made and how intricate

1143
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:30,039
they are, it does kind of make you think, well,

1144
01:22:32,319 --> 01:22:37,399
after thirty forty years of these being made, surely someone

1145
01:22:37,479 --> 01:22:41,319
somewhere would know the secret.

1146
01:22:43,079 --> 01:22:46,159
Speaker 1: There's some intricate the ones that I've seen that just

1147
01:22:46,199 --> 01:22:49,520
seems to be impossible in my opinion, for someone to

1148
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:51,520
go out there and doing a matter of a couple hours.

1149
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:57,720
And again, I guess it's cool that you did that

1150
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:01,119
and that people are making them like you made this.

1151
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:03,319
Like at the end of the day, no one's going

1152
01:23:03,359 --> 01:23:07,880
to know, so what's the point. That's when I go

1153
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:09,560
back to with a lot of things, always try and

1154
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:11,439
figure out, like what is the point why there's people

1155
01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:12,399
doing what they're doing.

1156
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:17,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is one. There is a crop circle that

1157
01:23:17,359 --> 01:23:21,560
is that was an advertised It was an advertisement, But

1158
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:24,279
a lot of people don't realize that it was an advertisement.

1159
01:23:26,199 --> 01:23:29,640
It was obviously circular, and it had what looked like

1160
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:36,079
like like a marijuana leaf in the middle and all

1161
01:23:36,119 --> 01:23:40,079
these symbols on the outside of this crop circle. And

1162
01:23:41,119 --> 01:23:44,680
I know for the fact that that was from that

1163
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:51,239
was an advertisement from a glass a bond company that

1164
01:23:51,319 --> 01:23:56,720
commissioned it, that commissioned this crop circle. But again, people

1165
01:23:57,239 --> 01:24:01,680
people will believe what they want to believe, even if

1166
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:06,079
you tell them it's like it. I'll tell you a

1167
01:24:06,159 --> 01:24:09,159
quick story. When I was in this Crop Circles group

1168
01:24:09,279 --> 01:24:12,920
years and years ago, there's all sorts of things that

1169
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:17,640
people were believing and stories that were being shared, and

1170
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:21,119
I said to them, look, I said, I'll show you

1171
01:24:21,119 --> 01:24:25,880
how easy it is to manipulate people. And I got

1172
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:32,760
this picture of the three pyramids and I in photoshop

1173
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:36,520
really quickly, but three beams of light coming from each

1174
01:24:38,279 --> 01:24:41,880
tip of the pyramids, and I posted it on this

1175
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:44,279
group and I said, you know, there you go. That's

1176
01:24:44,279 --> 01:24:48,640
how easy it is. People started commenting on it, saying, see,

1177
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:52,199
I told you that the pyramids have these energy beams,

1178
01:24:52,199 --> 01:24:54,880
and I said, well, I said, no, hold on, I said,

1179
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:59,600
I'm telling you that I created that picture, and they said, well, no,

1180
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:01,640
I don't. I don't believe you that this looks real

1181
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:06,760
to me. And I just thought, I'm telling you that

1182
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:11,840
I created it, and you're still not believing that I

1183
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:14,239
created it, And it was just it was quite a

1184
01:25:15,119 --> 01:25:21,680
quite an eye opener to what people will believe, right,

1185
01:25:22,039 --> 01:25:26,159
what people want to believe, regardless of the facts.

1186
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:32,159
Speaker 1: I think people are just they're hold on to that

1187
01:25:32,319 --> 01:25:35,319
hope so much, to their beliefs that they're real. And

1188
01:25:35,359 --> 01:25:41,039
then I think we'd mentioned this off air. When I

1189
01:25:41,119 --> 01:25:43,399
get photos of stuff that I don't I don't see

1190
01:25:43,439 --> 01:25:45,279
things that people are saying that they see, and they

1191
01:25:45,279 --> 01:25:48,359
get mad at me over it because I don't see

1192
01:25:48,399 --> 01:25:52,319
what they're saying. They're seeing it like you're crushing their

1193
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:56,880
whole belief So instead of seeing it as well, maybe

1194
01:25:56,920 --> 01:25:59,600
that's not real, and they're like what, they blame the

1195
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:01,520
other people for not being able to accept it, and

1196
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:04,760
they want to believe it so much that they manifested

1197
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:06,640
in their own mind. They really are seeing what they're

1198
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:08,079
seeing and the rest of us don't see it.

1199
01:26:09,079 --> 01:26:11,840
Speaker 2: Then, if you think about it, it's the same with

1200
01:26:12,359 --> 01:26:18,239
any education. You know, if you're if you're an archaeologist

1201
01:26:18,399 --> 01:26:23,159
or a scientist, or you're a religious person. You know,

1202
01:26:23,239 --> 01:26:25,760
you think of how many gods there are in how

1203
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:29,600
many different religions. You try and tell each one of

1204
01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:33,640
these religions, the people that follow these religions that they're

1205
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:37,640
all wrong because they all believe in that something different,

1206
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:40,680
So they can't all be right, so they must all

1207
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:45,680
be wrong. That's how wars are created. You know, if

1208
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:51,960
you have if you have, science is another religion as

1209
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:55,520
far as I'm concerned. You know, science will not look

1210
01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:58,760
into certain paranormal things because it can't be a lot

1211
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:03,960
of paranormal things can't be replicated, so they're not interested

1212
01:27:04,039 --> 01:27:07,479
because that's not science. That doesn't mean say that these

1213
01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:11,039
things don't exist or they don't carry on, it's just

1214
01:27:11,079 --> 01:27:15,000
that science won't touch them because they have their own

1215
01:27:15,039 --> 01:27:18,880
set of rules that they adhere to. Archaeology, that's the

1216
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:23,000
same same sort of thing. You know, archaeologists will swear

1217
01:27:23,079 --> 01:27:26,239
blind that, like say, going back to the Pyramids, the

1218
01:27:26,279 --> 01:27:31,960
pyramids that are built for as a tomb, and they

1219
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:36,920
were built in twenty years or something. And then you know,

1220
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:39,720
you do the maths on how many blocks are there

1221
01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:43,640
in each one, and it works out that you'd have

1222
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:47,600
to be quarrying each block, cutting it, shaping it, and

1223
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:51,760
moving into place I think once every two minutes if

1224
01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:56,439
you go along with what archaeologists tell you. You know, but

1225
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:58,840
yet you get people like Graham Hancock that come along

1226
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:05,600
and give them a bit more of a a different perspective.

1227
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:10,520
They're not interested, you know. They they vilified his netflix

1228
01:28:11,399 --> 01:28:20,119
work because it went against the the doctrines that they

1229
01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:25,039
were trying to hold hold up. Like I said, it's

1230
01:28:25,039 --> 01:28:27,760
the same with religion, so with the UFO field, it's

1231
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:32,159
no different. You know, people people want to believe because

1232
01:28:32,439 --> 01:28:35,439
they do believe. They believe that there is something other

1233
01:28:35,479 --> 01:28:39,239
than what is out what is They believe that there

1234
01:28:39,239 --> 01:28:43,000
are you know, more civilizations out there, which is fine,

1235
01:28:43,039 --> 01:28:46,439
that's but there's no rule proof of it. You can

1236
01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:48,680
believe it as much as you like, but there's no proof.

1237
01:28:49,319 --> 01:28:53,039
There's no proof that there's life on other planets. We

1238
01:28:53,119 --> 01:28:58,079
can only presume that you know these ships that we're seeing,

1239
01:28:58,159 --> 01:29:01,800
these strange craft and strange creatures, well, they must come

1240
01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:05,760
from another planet, because that's what we believe, that's what

1241
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:06,920
we've been led to believe.

1242
01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:12,199
Speaker 1: I had someone trying to I don't know if troll

1243
01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:17,079
is the proper term, but I'd made a post recently

1244
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:24,199
and someone commented on there that this is all fake, nothing, real,

1245
01:29:24,319 --> 01:29:33,279
bunch of bullshit. Their picture and if I guess, I'm

1246
01:29:33,319 --> 01:29:35,279
kind of a creep, but like they were a super

1247
01:29:35,319 --> 01:29:41,039
religious person, so I commented back, being a little heard

1248
01:29:41,039 --> 01:29:46,279
that I can be. I find it very discrediting that

1249
01:29:46,359 --> 01:29:50,880
someone that is believes in the existence of a religion

1250
01:29:51,199 --> 01:29:53,960
a deity. I don't know how properly, I don't know

1251
01:29:54,039 --> 01:29:57,159
the exact way I worded it, but basically I find

1252
01:29:57,159 --> 01:30:00,039
it strange that someone that believes in non improve of

1253
01:30:00,079 --> 01:30:04,159
all deities. It's criticizing what other people claim the experience

1254
01:30:05,479 --> 01:30:09,920
because you're saying it's fake, there's no proof, there's nothing exists,

1255
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:14,119
but yet you're believing in religion that also has no proof.

1256
01:30:15,119 --> 01:30:19,560
Explain that, and then he never responded. I'm like it, well,

1257
01:30:21,159 --> 01:30:22,840
why are you coming out here to talk shit? To

1258
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:26,279
me and then can bag up a legitimate question.

1259
01:30:27,079 --> 01:30:31,319
Speaker 2: The only thing that I will call out are CGI videos, right,

1260
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:35,079
there's a lot of if you work with CGI, if

1261
01:30:35,079 --> 01:30:43,560
you work with Adobe after effects, you become very CGI

1262
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:48,119
then becomes very clear when you see it. And it's

1263
01:30:48,119 --> 01:30:52,880
the same with AI. You know, I can pick out

1264
01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:56,960
an AI picture very quickly. Other people can't. And you know,

1265
01:30:57,000 --> 01:30:59,920
you'll get into these frack cars with people because they're

1266
01:31:00,680 --> 01:31:05,920
hell bent on withholding that this picture is real and

1267
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:08,239
I'm saying to them, it's not real because it's AI.

1268
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:12,159
You can tell that it's AI, and they're no, no, no,

1269
01:31:12,199 --> 01:31:15,319
it's not your your working. I've been told that I

1270
01:31:15,439 --> 01:31:20,640
worked for the government because it's good too, because you

1271
01:31:21,439 --> 01:31:24,880
kind of just you just have a little bit more

1272
01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:29,520
knowledge about something and people don't want to look stupid.

1273
01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:37,079
I've got a Facebook a uf it's called UFO Discussion

1274
01:31:37,119 --> 01:31:42,159
Group and I set it up set it up about

1275
01:31:42,199 --> 01:31:45,079
ten twelve years ago when I had all these things happen,

1276
01:31:45,119 --> 01:31:50,119
and I only set it up really for other experiences,

1277
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:53,640
and there was about three hundred people on there for

1278
01:31:54,079 --> 01:31:58,680
quite a few years, and I only wanted people on

1279
01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:00,840
there that were that had a store or to tell them.

1280
01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:04,560
And then I started getting this influx of people that

1281
01:32:04,720 --> 01:32:08,560
wanted to join the group, so I thought, okay, I'll

1282
01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:11,319
open it up to other people. And there was one

1283
01:32:11,359 --> 01:32:17,279
guy on there who dismissed everything, and I kept getting

1284
01:32:17,279 --> 01:32:20,479
messages from the other people in the group saying, why

1285
01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:22,760
haven't you kicked this guy out? Why are you letting

1286
01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:26,640
him say that this is all rubbish? And I said,

1287
01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:30,600
I'm keeping this person on. I said, because we need

1288
01:32:30,680 --> 01:32:35,439
people like this to challenge what we believe. If you're

1289
01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:41,479
not challenged by a belief, then you're just you're You're

1290
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:44,800
then in an echo chamber where you're just surrounded by

1291
01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:48,840
yes people but just agree with you, and there's nothing

1292
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:53,840
outside of that to say, well what about this and

1293
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:56,600
what about that? And I don't believe this and I

1294
01:32:56,600 --> 01:32:58,800
don't believe that. And I said, I welcome that. I

1295
01:32:58,920 --> 01:33:05,439
welcome people that are going to challenge the UFO society

1296
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:10,520
because there are a lot of fake videos, there's a

1297
01:33:10,520 --> 01:33:19,640
lot of odd stories and I'm going to sneeze, and

1298
01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:23,439
I just think that, you know, we need, you know,

1299
01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:28,159
respectful people that are going to challenge the narrative. If

1300
01:33:28,199 --> 01:33:31,720
you like, they're going to challenge what's being said, and

1301
01:33:32,479 --> 01:33:38,079
they're going to challenge a theory on UFOs, and they're

1302
01:33:38,079 --> 01:33:40,920
going to challenge me on my beliefs, and I totally

1303
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:45,079
welcome that because I haven't got the answer, and I'm

1304
01:33:45,119 --> 01:33:47,840
quite happy to change my mind if it's if I

1305
01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:55,600
hear something that is, you know, worthy of taken on board,

1306
01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:58,720
then I'll do that and it may be a little

1307
01:33:58,760 --> 01:34:01,520
bit of information that shifts my perspective a little bit,

1308
01:34:02,760 --> 01:34:03,840
and I'm happy to do that.

1309
01:34:05,119 --> 01:34:09,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like I said, I'm not against anyone or anything,

1310
01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:11,800
and I'm open minded to a lot of stuff. But

1311
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:16,479
I don't like when people just randomly started attacking other

1312
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:20,960
people because they have a different set of ideas or beliefs.

1313
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:24,960
Speaker 2: I just just to put just to finish what I

1314
01:34:25,039 --> 01:34:28,359
was saying, I deally I did. I did delete him

1315
01:34:28,359 --> 01:34:30,000
in the end, because he did get a bit too,

1316
01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:34,039
I'm surety, And I thought, I've given you the benefit

1317
01:34:34,079 --> 01:34:36,760
of the doubt, you know, to catch on for quite

1318
01:34:36,760 --> 01:34:39,119
a number of years, you know, he was he was

1319
01:34:39,199 --> 01:34:44,680
always popping up on the discussions and he's always throwing

1320
01:34:44,840 --> 01:34:47,560
like a spanner in the works. And eventually I thought,

1321
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:50,279
do you know what, actually you're you're just being argumentative

1322
01:34:50,319 --> 01:34:52,479
for the sake of it. So yeah, I agree, I

1323
01:34:52,520 --> 01:34:53,279
agree with you there.

1324
01:34:54,439 --> 01:34:58,279
Speaker 1: I feel like you mentioned something early. I kind of

1325
01:34:58,279 --> 01:35:03,960
said something off here, but someone you'd mentioned that you're

1326
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:08,039
a government plant been accused. I was too recently because

1327
01:35:08,239 --> 01:35:11,720
my profile picture is when I was at the Indie

1328
01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:18,439
Popcorn for the Podcast Awards. Oh yeah yeah, And because

1329
01:35:18,439 --> 01:35:21,000
it says Cohn in the background, that is what the

1330
01:35:21,039 --> 01:35:23,920
subliminal messaging was that I was putting out there everyone

1331
01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:25,600
that I'm in just a con artist, as like I'm

1332
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:29,920
a con arst of what oh Christ. So I was

1333
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:34,000
getting attacked about that, and that's the I was like, okay,

1334
01:35:34,600 --> 01:35:36,760
I just deleted block people. I don't even care.

1335
01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:41,720
Speaker 2: So you know, I said, I live in Birmingham. So

1336
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:46,159
in Birmingham, the main symbol, if you like, for Birmingham

1337
01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:50,319
is the ball because we have what's called the bull Ring,

1338
01:35:50,560 --> 01:35:55,920
which is back in prety two hundred years ago, before

1339
01:35:56,079 --> 01:35:58,680
we had a proper city, it was just all farmlands

1340
01:35:58,680 --> 01:36:03,560
and the ball Ring was where people would come and

1341
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:08,439
bring their livestock to trade and sell whatnot. So the

1342
01:36:08,479 --> 01:36:14,000
ball Ring became a symbol of Birmingham. So of course

1343
01:36:15,279 --> 01:36:20,800
Birmingham is the home to Black Sabbath. Obviously Ozzy Osborne,

1344
01:36:20,920 --> 01:36:25,199
Judas Priest, loads of heavy metal bands and Ledlin all that.

1345
01:36:26,079 --> 01:36:31,279
So the ball they made this this, they made this

1346
01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:40,159
giant ball made of mechanical parts and they named him Ozsi. Okay,

1347
01:36:40,239 --> 01:36:45,359
so we've got this giant ball made of metal called

1348
01:36:45,800 --> 01:36:48,359
and he's got red eyes. Now, we had the Olympic

1349
01:36:48,640 --> 01:36:55,199
and not the what's it called the Commonwealth Games a

1350
01:36:55,279 --> 01:37:00,680
couple of years ago and the opening ceremony had this ball,

1351
01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:04,880
had the ball come out and he had his red eyes.

1352
01:37:05,319 --> 01:37:11,039
And you know the amount of people that commented on

1353
01:37:11,119 --> 01:37:17,199
Facebook that were saying how it was a Satanic ritual

1354
01:37:17,960 --> 01:37:21,199
and how the ball is representative of I think it

1355
01:37:21,279 --> 01:37:26,199
was bal you know, this demon that eats children and

1356
01:37:26,279 --> 01:37:29,800
this sort of thing. And I had to explain to

1357
01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:36,039
them it's a heritage symbol of farmland and they wouldn't

1358
01:37:36,039 --> 01:37:40,439
have it. No, no, no no. And you know, if people

1359
01:37:40,479 --> 01:37:43,720
want to if people want to see something evil in something,

1360
01:37:43,720 --> 01:37:46,359
they've only got to see something red and they're like,

1361
01:37:46,439 --> 01:37:49,239
oh no, that's that's that's you know, that's a plant

1362
01:37:49,239 --> 01:37:54,359
that is that's subliminal, you know, like your the con

1363
01:37:54,520 --> 01:37:59,920
thing in your picture. Yes, people people. The thing is

1364
01:38:00,039 --> 01:38:03,840
people love something to have a go at, They love

1365
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:07,079
to be that. A lot of people feel, especially in

1366
01:38:07,079 --> 01:38:11,479
the kind of pseudo spiritual world UFO world, they like

1367
01:38:14,479 --> 01:38:18,119
they like there to be an enemy. They want there

1368
01:38:18,159 --> 01:38:22,000
to be an enemy. It's like when you're when you're

1369
01:38:22,039 --> 01:38:25,520
a child and you want to be rebellious. You know,

1370
01:38:25,680 --> 01:38:29,239
you'll rebel about your rebel against anything. And I think

1371
01:38:29,239 --> 01:38:32,159
it's the same in you know this, you know the

1372
01:38:32,199 --> 01:38:36,439
spiritual world and you know the truth seeker world. They

1373
01:38:36,479 --> 01:38:40,960
want something to take a pop up, they want something,

1374
01:38:41,119 --> 01:38:44,520
they want any they need an enemy, so they'll find

1375
01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:46,399
they will find that enemy somewhere.

1376
01:38:47,039 --> 01:38:49,359
Speaker 1: They have to make something just in order to have

1377
01:38:49,399 --> 01:38:53,479
something to be against and understand the mentality. But that

1378
01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:54,760
just seems to be how it is.

1379
01:38:55,279 --> 01:38:59,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the problem that people like myself have is

1380
01:38:59,199 --> 01:39:01,159
that when you're trying to explaining this to people, you

1381
01:39:01,239 --> 01:39:07,439
then become the target and you then get accused of

1382
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:10,840
working for the elite and you're one of them, and

1383
01:39:14,199 --> 01:39:15,279
it's like a circus.

1384
01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:19,199
Speaker 1: I've realized in the last two years of actually being

1385
01:39:19,239 --> 01:39:22,199
involved in these communities, and I'm not even involved. I'm

1386
01:39:22,239 --> 01:39:24,920
just a guy that talks to people every now and then.

1387
01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:27,800
But I see it from the outside looking in, it

1388
01:39:27,880 --> 01:39:33,600
is nothing but a giant shit show. Yeah, yeah, I

1389
01:39:33,680 --> 01:39:37,840
see nothing but drama. I see nothing but people backstabbing, arguing, fighting.

1390
01:39:38,680 --> 01:39:42,359
Everyone has their own truth, and if you don't agree

1391
01:39:42,359 --> 01:39:44,079
to that it's the truth when they're in then you're

1392
01:39:44,119 --> 01:39:48,319
an enemy. And I don't know. Sometimes I question why

1393
01:39:48,319 --> 01:39:52,439
I bother. I guess I question the everything else too,

1394
01:39:52,479 --> 01:39:54,680
So I even question my own sanity sometimes of why

1395
01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:57,159
I continue to do what I do. But here I am.

1396
01:39:57,600 --> 01:39:58,840
Speaker 2: I think you're doing a good job.

1397
01:40:00,119 --> 01:40:00,960
Speaker 1: I appreciate that.

1398
01:40:01,159 --> 01:40:03,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're doing a good job. And the

1399
01:40:03,079 --> 01:40:08,319
thing is, I mean you're you're going to get people,

1400
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:12,279
Like I said, you're off there. You know, for every

1401
01:40:12,319 --> 01:40:14,279
one hundred people that you interview, there's going to be

1402
01:40:14,319 --> 01:40:17,039
someone that's going to strike a chord that's going to

1403
01:40:17,600 --> 01:40:22,960
shift your perspective, you know, in a different direction, which

1404
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:27,720
will make your question, you know even more. You know,

1405
01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:31,439
the more answers you get, the more quite what's the phrase,

1406
01:40:31,479 --> 01:40:34,239
The more answers you get, the more questions.

1407
01:40:34,600 --> 01:40:37,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, basically, the more answers that I've been looking for,

1408
01:40:37,880 --> 01:40:38,880
the more questions.

1409
01:40:38,600 --> 01:40:40,560
Speaker 2: I come out with, yeah, exactly.

1410
01:40:41,479 --> 01:40:43,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've said that. At time or two. I was like,

1411
01:40:43,319 --> 01:40:45,880
I started the one to find answers and I've been

1412
01:40:45,920 --> 01:40:47,479
left with more questions than anything.

1413
01:40:48,039 --> 01:40:51,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. And it's like what I said to you,

1414
01:40:51,119 --> 01:40:54,239
you know, I mean, there's there's loads of little stories

1415
01:40:54,239 --> 01:40:57,680
that I didn't add in this this talk that we're

1416
01:40:57,720 --> 01:41:03,880
having lots of little things where like, for instance, when

1417
01:41:05,119 --> 01:41:07,840
when I decide, there's quite a few times over the

1418
01:41:07,880 --> 01:41:11,560
past sort of fifteen twenty years that I've come away

1419
01:41:11,640 --> 01:41:17,880
from the UFO community and I've just wanted to live

1420
01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:21,600
a normal life and just you know, watch crap TV

1421
01:41:23,159 --> 01:41:27,119
and just listen to just ship music and just be

1422
01:41:28,199 --> 01:41:32,920
quote unquote normal and just do normal things. And within

1423
01:41:32,960 --> 01:41:38,199
a week or two shift in my brain pattern something.

1424
01:41:38,359 --> 01:41:43,520
I'll have some kind of experience where I'll see something

1425
01:41:43,640 --> 01:41:46,640
or something will happen that will draw me back in

1426
01:41:47,079 --> 01:41:50,920
and it's as if they say, uhh, you're not going anywhere,

1427
01:41:51,079 --> 01:41:55,920
not until you've done what. The other thing that I

1428
01:41:55,960 --> 01:41:59,720
failed to mention is when I was a kid growing up,

1429
01:42:01,319 --> 01:42:04,000
I always felt as if I had a mission to

1430
01:42:04,039 --> 01:42:07,560
do something within the UFO world. And I think the

1431
01:42:07,560 --> 01:42:12,520
more people you talk to that are experiences if you like,

1432
01:42:14,199 --> 01:42:17,760
you'll find that they all have a mission. They feel

1433
01:42:17,800 --> 01:42:21,399
that they have a mission to accomplish. And I feel

1434
01:42:21,399 --> 01:42:23,920
like my mission was to do with the Bible and

1435
01:42:24,319 --> 01:42:29,439
the UFO connection, and so I've done that, and it's

1436
01:42:29,479 --> 01:42:33,760
like now I don't need to I don't need that validation.

1437
01:42:34,479 --> 01:42:36,479
I don't need to see UFOs. I don't need to

1438
01:42:36,880 --> 01:42:40,199
I don't need to have that interaction anymore. You know,

1439
01:42:40,439 --> 01:42:43,199
I know a lot of people that they're still chasing,

1440
01:42:43,520 --> 01:42:47,159
you know, this thing. They're still you know, doing the

1441
01:42:47,199 --> 01:42:51,720
C five protocols. You know, they're going out and they're

1442
01:42:52,079 --> 01:42:55,600
trying as hard as they can to capture that elusive,

1443
01:42:56,000 --> 01:42:57,479
you know, flashing light in the sky.

1444
01:42:58,479 --> 01:43:01,119
Speaker 1: I just hope they're not paying ten thousand dollars for

1445
01:43:01,119 --> 01:43:06,520
dinner with Steven Greer. No, I'm pretty sure I said

1446
01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:08,600
that on the last episode I recorded.

1447
01:43:08,600 --> 01:43:11,800
Speaker 2: To the people that I know, I don't think they

1448
01:43:11,800 --> 01:43:16,960
have ten ten ten pounds to spend on on anything,

1449
01:43:18,520 --> 01:43:22,560
let alone ten grand that again, you know, if you

1450
01:43:22,680 --> 01:43:25,680
if you're I used to run a remote viewing group

1451
01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:32,520
as well a number of years ago, and I think

1452
01:43:32,560 --> 01:43:36,800
we paid that I charged. I think it was I

1453
01:43:36,800 --> 01:43:42,199
think four or five pounds, because what happened was we

1454
01:43:42,199 --> 01:43:46,039
started to get odd bods that would just sort of

1455
01:43:46,640 --> 01:43:50,439
rock up and wouldn't be wouldn't want to be part

1456
01:43:50,479 --> 01:43:52,079
of the group, but they'll be part of the group,

1457
01:43:52,079 --> 01:43:54,640
but they didn't know what the group was about. And

1458
01:43:54,680 --> 01:43:56,359
we thought, right, we need to have some kind of

1459
01:43:57,479 --> 01:44:01,000
you know, we need to charge people and minimal amount,

1460
01:44:01,720 --> 01:44:06,560
just you know, just to show that we're doing something

1461
01:44:06,680 --> 01:44:08,159
legitimate that isn't just.

1462
01:44:08,079 --> 01:44:13,560
Speaker 1: A people are what sorry, kind of weeding out the

1463
01:44:13,560 --> 01:44:16,680
ones that aren't really there to learn anything or try anything.

1464
01:44:16,680 --> 01:44:21,680
Speaker 2: They're just there to be there exactly. Yeah, and I

1465
01:44:21,720 --> 01:44:24,039
think that was that was a fair I mean that

1466
01:44:24,039 --> 01:44:28,640
that money just went back into buying paper and pens

1467
01:44:28,680 --> 01:44:31,640
and stuff like that, and petrol to go home.

1468
01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:37,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have been going on for almost two hours,

1469
01:44:37,319 --> 01:44:41,279
so it is probably getting close to four thirty your time.

1470
01:44:41,960 --> 01:44:43,880
Speaker 2: It's ten past four now. I'm wide awake.

1471
01:44:45,800 --> 01:44:47,439
Speaker 1: I'm getting tired, I have working on.

1472
01:44:49,000 --> 01:44:51,159
Speaker 2: I've gone past that. I've gone past that stage and

1473
01:44:51,199 --> 01:44:53,079
i've gone past the stage out. Yeah, I'm going to

1474
01:44:53,159 --> 01:44:53,720
keep you awake.

1475
01:44:53,760 --> 01:44:59,439
Speaker 1: Now. You can try, but I've got I've got little kids.

1476
01:44:59,439 --> 01:45:03,840
I'd rather do with here soon. My son is very

1477
01:45:04,520 --> 01:45:06,640
much a daddy's boy, so when he wakes up in

1478
01:45:06,640 --> 01:45:08,119
the middle of the night, I am the person that

1479
01:45:08,159 --> 01:45:09,079
he screams for.

1480
01:45:09,680 --> 01:45:14,800
Speaker 2: So it's going to be it's got to be what eleven?

1481
01:45:14,840 --> 01:45:15,960
Now were your is it?

1482
01:45:16,359 --> 01:45:21,000
Speaker 1: Yeah? It says it's a eleven twelve pm. Yeah, I'm

1483
01:45:21,039 --> 01:45:22,920
usually in bed by eleven.

1484
01:45:23,319 --> 01:45:25,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm usually bed by eleven.

1485
01:45:25,399 --> 01:45:28,279
Speaker 1: But yeah, so i gotta get up and get it.

1486
01:45:28,840 --> 01:45:31,800
I'm up in about five hours from now, five to

1487
01:45:31,880 --> 01:45:34,359
six hours from now, I'm usually I'm awake. But honestly,

1488
01:45:34,960 --> 01:45:40,439
he decides to wake up, usually around midnight for some reason,

1489
01:45:40,479 --> 01:45:41,760
he wants to get up out of his room, and

1490
01:45:41,800 --> 01:45:43,399
I have to go get him and bring him into bed.

1491
01:45:43,399 --> 01:45:44,840
So by the time I get in there, it will

1492
01:45:44,840 --> 01:45:50,760
probably start screaming for me. That's how my routine goes

1493
01:45:50,800 --> 01:45:54,239
with him. But we can probably go ahead and wrap

1494
01:45:54,279 --> 01:45:56,760
this one up if there's not much else you want

1495
01:45:56,760 --> 01:45:58,239
to talk about. If there is, I mean, I'm good

1496
01:45:58,279 --> 01:45:58,479
to go.

1497
01:45:58,560 --> 01:46:01,560
Speaker 2: It's it's not I mean, I could I could fill

1498
01:46:01,560 --> 01:46:04,960
in a lot of blanks, but I think you know,

1499
01:46:05,119 --> 01:46:11,319
if your listeners want to get in touch and you know,

1500
01:46:11,760 --> 01:46:15,119
find out any any any more about little bits that

1501
01:46:15,159 --> 01:46:18,119
I've missed, or if they want, if they've got stories

1502
01:46:18,159 --> 01:46:21,079
that they want to tell me that I can kind

1503
01:46:21,119 --> 01:46:25,760
of piece together if they're similar to my experiences, you know,

1504
01:46:26,319 --> 01:46:27,079
And feel.

1505
01:46:26,840 --> 01:46:32,239
Speaker 1: Free if you want send me any links or anything

1506
01:46:32,279 --> 01:46:34,680
you have, or email address or however they can get

1507
01:46:34,680 --> 01:46:36,079
ahold of the I'll make sure you leave that in

1508
01:46:36,079 --> 01:46:38,800
the show notes. That way, anyone listening can reach out

1509
01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:39,039
to you.

1510
01:46:39,800 --> 01:46:42,399
Speaker 2: Well. If I mean, like I said, my name is

1511
01:46:42,439 --> 01:46:45,680
Leath Thatcher spelled l E I g H. If you

1512
01:46:45,840 --> 01:46:52,760
just see some long haired guy m h, you won't

1513
01:46:52,840 --> 01:46:56,399
you won't go far wrong. It's a girl spelling as well,

1514
01:46:56,520 --> 01:47:02,520
so there's not many leath Archers with the Uh yeah,

1515
01:47:02,800 --> 01:47:04,239
you'll find me if you just type my name.

1516
01:47:04,279 --> 01:47:09,079
Speaker 1: Hi, Hollie. It's been a pleasure talking with you.

1517
01:47:09,159 --> 01:47:11,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been really good. Thanks for having me.

1518
01:47:11,119 --> 01:47:14,840
Speaker 1: On, Brandon, not a problem. And for anyone out there listening,

1519
01:47:15,479 --> 01:47:17,439
just want to have to say thanks to Lee and

1520
01:47:17,479 --> 01:47:19,600
thanks for listening. But we're gonna head on out, So

1521
01:47:19,800 --> 01:47:28,359
good night, everybody, good night, and that's the show everyone.

1522
01:47:28,760 --> 01:47:31,399
I really hope you guys enjoyed the conversations. If you

1523
01:47:31,439 --> 01:47:33,720
would like to be a guest on Tenfoil Tels. Remember

1524
01:47:33,760 --> 01:47:36,479
to send an email to Tenfoil Tales Podcast at gmail

1525
01:47:36,479 --> 01:47:39,600
dot com or go to the contact section of tenfoiltal

1526
01:47:39,720 --> 01:47:41,800
dot com. Just get your message to me. We'll get

1527
01:47:41,840 --> 01:47:44,800
some schedule for a future episode. And just remember the

1528
01:47:44,840 --> 01:47:47,479
truth lies, and the stories we share, the connections we make.

1529
01:47:47,720 --> 01:47:50,600
Stay curiously open minded. Thank you all for joining us

1530
01:47:50,640 --> 01:47:53,960
on this journey, and until next time, keep questioning, keep seeking,

1531
01:47:54,079 --> 01:47:57,000
and keep exploring the unknown. Goodnight, everyone says.

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01:47:56,920 --> 01:48:01,159
Speaker 4: Sounds in the headstones. Yeah, it's turns to run. Got

1533
01:48:01,159 --> 01:48:03,720
a story about a cryptic creature. Let's take a walk,

1534
01:48:05,119 --> 01:48:08,960
big foot talk. Then they're out there in the dark.

1535
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:12,119
But the truth is out there liking me.

1536
01:48:12,359 --> 01:48:13,199
Speaker 2: It's bark.

1537
01:48:14,960 --> 01:48:20,640
Speaker 4: Ufo sightings. Got the whole world show conspiracies and folds

1538
01:48:20,680 --> 01:48:25,640
like a story in the book me Control trying to

1539
01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:30,399
keep us by. We're all gonna use the whole mind

1540
01:48:33,199 --> 01:48:37,319
in history. They don't want us to know the secrets

1541
01:48:37,319 --> 01:48:43,279
they hide since they want show, so they don't society.

1542
01:48:44,079 --> 01:48:50,039
They keep us in chase when them in Talma's time

1543
01:48:50,119 --> 01:49:12,920
to break the reins. Mh is control trying to keep

1544
01:49:13,039 --> 01:49:17,560
us fine, But I'm alone. Before we're gonna use my mind.

1545
01:49:20,119 --> 01:49:20,880
Speaker 2: In history.

1546
01:49:21,159 --> 01:49:26,039
Speaker 4: They want us to know the secrets they hide, since

1547
01:49:26,079 --> 01:49:31,880
they will show the Mayd a society. They keep us

1548
01:49:31,880 --> 01:49:37,399
in chase. When sam In talk, do sound to break

1549
01:49:37,439 --> 01:49:38,199
the reins