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Speaker 1: At a book in.

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Speaker 2: Tonight's guest is James Glover. James, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, good to be here.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's great having you here. James. Please give us

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a brief bio in yourself.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm just some average guy stay in Texas.

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Speaker 1: I'm a manager at my job Subway, and other than that,

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I'm just old country boy from the country who loved

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behind the country.

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Speaker 2: What kinds of things did you do out there when

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you were growing up?

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Speaker 1: Oh, fishing, playing horseshoes, climbing trees, type of fearless, absolutely fearless.

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Helping my dad, he was a farmer, and you know,

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we set up irrigation pipes. And I actually learned how

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to drive. Well, he taught me how to drive a tractor.

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And I was one of the first high school students

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out there that was down in there. It's called Airby George,

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a little small town for about like i'd say, two

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hundred people at the most. And it was so much

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fun for me to be that young and able to

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actually drive a tractor and plow a feel up. It

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was so much fun.

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Speaker 2: Well, but that was fun. What did you grow on

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your farm?

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Speaker 1: They were growing? It was my dad's boss man anywhere

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U from peanuts to cotton, the soybeans, you know, little

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stuff like that. He had a pretty.

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Speaker 3: Large farm out there and a lot of pawns around.

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Speaker 1: Now that's how you know, I actually learned how to

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fish because you would allow us to give us a

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key to open the gates up and go back there

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and do a lot of fishing as long as we

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kept it clean around its ponds.

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Speaker 2: Well, that sounds like a fair deal to me, not

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bad at all. Your encounter happened in the mid eighties

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and Georgia there you said where in Georgia though, did

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you say it was that the encounter happened? And what

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can you tell us about the place?

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Speaker 1: It was Viana, Georgia, and where I stayed. It was

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about called Cordial, Georgia, who I stayed, and it was

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about nine miles away from where we stayed at. That's

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where my grandparents stayed at. And it was about four

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miles four to six miles out from the city. They

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stayed in the country, and I hated going there. I

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just did not just boring, actually boring, nothing nothing but

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country fields and woods, that's it.

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Speaker 3: And that was a great place to go. You know

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for peace and quiet, but that was too much peace

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quiet for me.

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's anything wrong with that. All that

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piece and quiet and all the woods and being out

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in the country like that. You can get into all

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sorts of fun things and all as long as you

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have that imagination.

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Speaker 3: I guess that's right, especially at night and nfe and cool.

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Speaker 1: I used to go out and watch the stars, the

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moon when it comes up and all that, and just

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clean air fresh it had to breathe, I mean nighttime.

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We just set outside sometime, me and my brother and

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just play with our little pett gun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't get any better than that. If all

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kids grew up that way, the world really would be

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a much better place.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, we know it would be. It would be.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, if you grew up in the country like that.

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Had you heard about cryptids for the night when you

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have that encounter?

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Speaker 1: No, never heard or even heard the word crypt it.

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The only thing that I can remember from back then

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was our dad taking us to see a I don't

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forgot the name so long ago, but it was a

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Bigfoot movie. It was a drive through at that time,

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and you know, we're sitting in the car, little speakers

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put up on your car and it was a bigfoot movie.

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And to me it's just, you know, entertainment scared me

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half to death, but you know it was entertainment. And

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you know, like I said, that movie there it was

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nothing like was anything in the wood because like I said,

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me and my brother we feared absolutely nothing. We'd go

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deep into the woods and just stay out there black Dog,

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two and three miles away from home, no flashlight of nothing,

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walking through the woods, pushing which it's allow way. Ton't

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care where we come out at because we could always

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find our way back to either the house in the

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average quarter or even buying on my grandparents stadium.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's all the fun stuff to do. So

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that's a good way to grow up.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 2: Do you think by chance that movie that you saw

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at the drive in might have been the Legend of

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Boggy Creek or do you think it was another movie?

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Speaker 1: No, it was another movie, because the Legend of Boga

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Cree I've seen that one. I enjoy any kind of

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Manster pictures. I loved them, got Zella, King of Door,

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any kind of master picture. I love to watch them.

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Speaker 3: And like I say, the only I watched one word

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worth moving back then.

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Speaker 1: But it was just the guy, a human, just a human,

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like the little hair on his face, nothing spectacular, the

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same size of the people he's chasing.

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Speaker 3: And I really didn't watch anything like that.

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Speaker 1: If it wasn't god Zella or this kind of master

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coming up a giant square, a giant shark or something

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like that, or I never watched it. And the only

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reason we went to see that Bigfoot movie was that

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my younger brothers they wanted to go see it, and

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since I was there, I had to tag along. My

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dad forced us to go, me and my older brother.

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And like I said, I never do anything about any

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crypto other than, you know, something like a lock NES's

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Master with you know it was Scotland. I'm saying, Okay,

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they'll never find it because to me it wasn't there.

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Speaker 3: To me, thing was there and over that. I had

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that same concept until.

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Speaker 2: Until you found yourself about eighteen inches away from that

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dog men you found yourself.

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Speaker 1: Instead, right? That changed everything?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet it did. And from the way you

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worded that, I wasn't sure if you were saying that

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they're never gonna find it talking about NeSSI the Loch

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Ness monster, or if you're talking about Sasquatch, because after

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seeing that movie, I was gonna ask you if you

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believed at that point after seeing that movie, which I

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kind of wonder if it wasn't the creature of Black Lake,

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the creature from Black Lake that you saw. I'm wondering

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after seeing that movie, if maybe you started to believe

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in their existence or did you still not think they

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were real?

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Speaker 1: Nothing could convince. But like I said, I was so

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used to seeing Godzilla and these Sea Masters out it,

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which I was back there in one Sure, Okay, they're

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not there, and here's just another movie. But this is

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about a different kind of monster. This is some seven

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eight foot eight bl like thing running around. And then

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I couple that with me being out in the woods

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so much in different areas of Georgia, even in Florida,

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and I've never seen anything remotely close to anything like

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I've seen on television, So I'm pretty sure I'm not

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gonna see a three hundred foot five breathing monster. So

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I've i had that same concept with something like a

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Sasquatch or Bigfoot. And over the years, I watched snow

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Beasts and I watched all these around here. I'm like, Okay,

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all this snow, I'm not going up there, so if

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if they exists, I'm never gonna see it.

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Speaker 2: Well, you had every reason to believe that, that is

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until you the night when you have that encountering fortune.

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Now that's right, and talking all that time that you

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spent in the woods with your brother running around doing

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all those fun things. What did seemed that dogged me

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in from such a close range due to your interest

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in heading back into the woods and getting into things.

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Speaker 1: It did, absolutely It then stopped me at all, because,

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like I say it.

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Speaker 3: We were fearless then, and we figured we've in destructive.

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Speaker 1: I've been at the tip top of pine trees. I've

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been hanging out bridges, train tracks of anything, swimming and

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snaking fested water and chasing snakes and water, picking up

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round snakes, picking up a moccas and nothing scared me.

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And as long as I had something in my hand

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like a gun, there all at that aid thinking I

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could stop anything anything that you're around it, because actually

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I've never seen anything larger than a deer, so I

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had absolutely no fear of anything. It'll either get me

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or I get it.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's go a way to look at it. Yeah,

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like I said before, you didn't have any reason to

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believe these guys would have been out there. Now after

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you saw that dog man, especially when you're face to

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face with the thing that's different. Then you saw all

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for yourself. You saw with your own eyes that these

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things are real.

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Speaker 1: But that's right.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad it didn't hamstring your interest in heading back

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into the woods. Thank goodness for that.

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Speaker 1: That's it. But don't think it didn't put me on

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alert when we went after that. I was one hundred

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on alert.

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Speaker 2: Well, I can understand why you would be. Yeah, that's

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what I would expect. All right, James, please tell us

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about this encounter. Now, give us every last detail that

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comes to mind.

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Speaker 1: Okay. Like I say, I grew up in Cordial, Georgia,

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a small town of about like five thousand, and my

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grandparents stayed in about eight to nine miles away Yama,

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Georgia in the country, and I hated going to visit

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my grandparents on the weekends. We just had absolutely nothing

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to do. One television in the house. We couldn't watch

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it cause the groans were watching it. So we're stuck

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outside and I'm one of five, one of six siblings,

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five boys and one sister. And I have a older brother,

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and his name is exactly the same as mine, but

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it's the middle name is step His name is James

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Evans Glover. My name is James Pennzol Glover. I'm named

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after my dad. I'm the second oldest, but I'm the junior.

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And each Friday school's out, my mamaa get us in

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the car and we go up there to spend the

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end time weekend up there extremely boring and for the

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first i'd say nineteen eighty three to eighty five, my

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dad brought two one seventy seven caliber hok Heelic guns,

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one for me and my brother, and so that gave

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us a little bit excitement to go down there because

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my granddad that's where they stayed at six miles from

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the city, and it was a small city. Also, he

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had fishing poles and stuff and rills and rods down there,

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and we'd go to his boss man and just go

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down there and go fishing. And on this particular day

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we went down there and me and my brother went fishing.

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We took our pelts gun with us and we was

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fishing and my brother caught a pretty decent side catfish,

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and so we brought it back and my granddad that's

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when I first learned how to skin a catfish. He

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show us how to do that, and then say, y'all

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gonna go shoot rabbit squirrels inside there and bring them

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back too. And so we go down there and do

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the hunting come back to the old house. Now, the

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house was sitting about ten yards from a dirt road

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with a little mailbox out there. The mail dropped the

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mail off and it was like a you you gotta

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feel on the right side of it, feel on the

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left side. And behind it was a field and just

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that little driveway. So the house was sitting up on

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concrete blocks all the way around it, and it was

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sitting up pretty high. It slanted a little bit to

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the left, but it was pretty high. And as we

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go there, we could crawl up under the house. And

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being so boring, if we wasn't a hundred with the

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pelletsom we'd take old tires. My granddad had a shed

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that it kept old worn out tires in. There was

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an outhouse there there was.

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Speaker 3: No running There was running water, but there was no.

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Speaker 1: Tilt in there. And so people generally used the outhouse,

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and so we'd run around there and we'd play. And

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it was an irrigation ditch about fifty yards from the

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house where a little field go at where you can

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walk around the driveway, a little dirt road. You can

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go out there to get to the pond down there,

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and for entertainment purposely, when it rained, it kind of

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feels with water. We'd go out there and splash around

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in the water and play in the water, or crawled

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up under the house. And the house was just that

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high enough we could crawl up under it and play.

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We played hide and go seek, and the window while

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seeing that thing at it was sitting up quite high.

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It was a small one. It couldn't open, it couldn't

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pull up or push out of anything. It just built

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into the house. And I'd say it was about the

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size of a small picture fire I say two foot

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two by two foot. That did really small. To see

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in that.

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Speaker 3: Window, we had to take one of our granddad old tires.

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Speaker 1: That's when our sister little brother around there try to

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hide up under the bed playing hide and go seek

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or Police and robbers. We stand that tie up. When

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I was about five foot five my brother's a little

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taller than me, older brother, and even he had to

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stand up on that time, put your handle against that

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side of the house and tiptoe just to see in

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that window. And so, like I said, that was the

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only entertainment we had. And so later on that day

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we went down there again. I said, you know, we

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caught the fishes. My grandma cooked them and we ate.

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We went down and hunted again, and like I say,

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nothing out of art. Every couple of rabbits here, a

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couple of quills we saw couldn't get in with the

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pelt gun. They fly off. And we came back and

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we just sat around the house and go down to

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the little irrigation ditch, play in the water and come back.

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And it started getting dust dark that night, and we

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were sitting around there, just me and my brother with

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the two pelict gun shooting pennies that we would put

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out there on the mailbox that was like ten yards away.

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And we had got just that good, excellent shots for

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those pelta guns. And so well we start with what

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happened before that until the bigger guns. My dad eventually

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brought my brother gage revelation shotgun. I was mad and hurt.

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At the same time, I'm with a one seventy seven

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calib repellant gun. He had a twelve gage revelation shotgun.

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And so as he's going down there with that shotgun.

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When we used to go down there and hunt, I

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really didn't want to go. I got this week one

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seventy seven. He got this twelve gage shotgun with bird

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shots and love shots, quel shots and all that. And

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my granddad didn't like a moping boy, and so he

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told me to open that trunk up, and I'm figuring

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he's getting a belt out to hand my rear and

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it was a bolt action shotgun. I sell it again,

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a bolt action shotgun with a clip whole five shells.

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He said, you take that gun, and I prayed that

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that gun was a twelve gage to accommodate the shells

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my brother had, and it will. And so we'd go

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down there and practice shooting with the shotguns and all this,

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and came back sitting out and back to where we

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were sitting out just shooting with the pellet guns and

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all that. We went pelict guns to shotguns, and it

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was now getting to be a little bit fun to

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go down to My granddad house. So on that particular night.

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Inside the house, it was a three bedroom house. My

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mother slept in the one room and the siblings, my

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sister slept in a bed across from there was two

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beds in that back bedroom. My sister slept in that

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bed with my younger brother, and the four boys slept

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in the other beds, a king sized bed, but we

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slept at an angle so that everybody was fit.

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Speaker 3: And by that little small window.

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Speaker 1: I always slept there, and we had a fan to

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the bottom of it, and we had and it had

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an old grandfather clock with a very dim light, but

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you can actually see the time, and it at night.

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And so I'm laying in that bed that particular night,

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laid down. I'll never forget this. It was one o'clock

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because I remember looking over at that clock when I

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woke up.

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Speaker 3: And what woke me up? As I was laying down

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back and from.

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Speaker 1: The way I laid back, I could actually see the

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couldn't see the glass part of the window, but you can.

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Speaker 3: See who it was.

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Speaker 1: And I was leanding up against the wall with my

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face turned the wall and my head up against the wall.

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I love to sleep that way, and that pardicular night

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I was awakened to some tapping or scratching, like on

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the window. It sounded like that, and I'm like, okay,

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so well, something that's happened in the window or something

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that's tapping somewhere. And if you were to sit up

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from where I slept, you would be looking directly at

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that window less than a full and a half away.

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And as I sat up, I came face to face

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with what I perceived as a monster or alien or something.

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I'm just looking at it, and all I could see

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was its face in its hands. It hands froze. Two things.

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I noticed, Its hands stopped moving and its ears went backwards,

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and it froze. It froze, I froze. And I'm just

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looking at it, and it's looking at me, and I'm

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looking at his eyes and his hands it had I

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didn't at that time. I didn't see a snout, because

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as I learned, its face was down, it had it

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like down like his snock was into its chest as

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it was looking down. But his hands were still both

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hands and I say hands, I can guarantee you they

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was hand like. I heard a lot of people say

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raccoon like hands, rat coon like hands, And what I learned.

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Like a little dog. I got and I washed this

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thing for over an hour and a half then looking

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at just sitting up looking at well about forty five minutes,

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sitting up looking at it, and I laid back down.

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But I laid at an anger, almost on top of

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one of my younger brothers, and I laid at an

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angle where I could wash this thing. And the only

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thing on it move was its eyes. His eyes followed

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me as I laid down. I'm letting that trying to

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figure out what is this. I'm trying to eliminate. Like

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I said, I feel nothing. It wasn't scared of nothing.

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It didn't scare me because there was no aggression in it.

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There was no didn't see no teeth, didn't hear no growling,

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didn't see nothing that would say this thing is trying

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to attack, harm or do anything. It was like it

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was shocked that I set up and looked at it

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was like curious. And as I'm laying back looking at

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it from an angle, I glanced over.

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Speaker 3: After a while passed by and now it's three o'clock.

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Speaker 1: I remember when I looked at it half on the

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window that it was one o'clock. Now it's three o'clock,

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so I'm still watching this thing, trying to figure out

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what it was. I eliminated a person because there was

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only two houses other than my granddad's house. That was

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his Fostman, which is about one hundred yards to the

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right face house, and his son about four to six

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hundred yards to the left. And they know full well

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about those shot dones, and I'm quite sure that they're

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not gonna come there and us that it wasn't going

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to be tall enough anyway. They had to stand up

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on the tires too, just to look into that house,

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that window. And I'm watching this thing trying to figure

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out what it was, and it's not moving. I'm not

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moving it as a time, And all of a sudden,

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it's like time just went by, and I awoke the

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next day. And when I woke up, I immediately looked

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at the window. Nothing. So I'm chalking this up as okay,

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I done have a bad dream. Before I woke up,

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I tried to eliminate an I all up there scratching

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the wallow, chasing a little rat or something as long

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as shot a deer kind of look in the window. No,

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that wasn't what that thing was. But to me, not

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believing in anything monstrous like that, I chalked it up

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as a dream. Yeah. I talked it up into a

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dream until my older brother, who slept on the end

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by the two shotguns, told me, did you see that

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in the window last night? I said, yes, I did say,

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And I don't know what time he saw it. I

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don't know if he saw it before I woke up

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or after I laid down at her anger. I don't

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know what that. We never discussed that, And so it

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was that Friday night when I seen it. That Saturday morning,

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me and my brother got up loaded the shot guns

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Buckshot slug Buckshot, and I feared for the safety of

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my grandfather and my grandmother. No one else said anything

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remotely close about seeing something like that down now. My

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grandmother did. My granddaddy didn't say anything like that. Never

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heard anything from his boss man or his boss man son,

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because we're seen him when we go fishing down there,

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and his name was mister l y L. That was

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my dad boss man, my granddad's boss man. And I'm like, okay,

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my grand and my grandmother they're old, and he can't

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maneuver that shotgun like we can't, And so me and

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my brother said, okay, what we're gonna do. The ditch

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in front of the house was about four to five

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but deep. That what kept the water from coming up

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into the yard. Having that muddy, that's why they dug

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that ditch out and it led into that irrigation dish.

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It's about forty to fifty yards away. That's why it

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was pretty deep. When it was dry. You know, we

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get in there and play in the dirt in our

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old outside clothes. So that Saturday night, I said, about

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eleven and twelve o'clock, everybody that's in the house laying

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down for sleep, me and my brother went out.

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Speaker 3: There were those two shotguns and laid in that ditch.

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Speaker 1: Waiting on it. And like I said, it was an

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outhouse there, and the old ship had a really dim

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light there that they should have had closer to the

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our house in case anybody wanted to use it. And

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at night when I saw that thing, I was thinking

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at that time, if anybody go out that back door

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trying to use the outhouse, my mother and grandmother pretty

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much wouldn't because they had an old pant in that

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they used in there to relieve themselves, but my granddad

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would and my brothers would. We'd take our younger brothers

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out there. They use the bathroom like that. My older

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brother and me would just go out there unarmed. We

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didn't care. And I said, if I hear that back

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door open, I'm waking my brother up and we grabbing

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those shotgun. But like I say, that never happened. So

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when we was laying in that ditch waiting to see

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where this thing come back, nothing twelve o'clock, twelve thirty,

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one o'clock, nothing, And so we got tired of sitting

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there in that ditch waiting on this thing. And so

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later on my dad brought me up thirty or six.

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And even then I was mad at him because, okay,

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did this shotgun when he shoot his spreads out of

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hit th I got this little one bullet coming out.

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But eventually learned, you know, to shoot the shotgun had

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a scope under thirty six. He had a scope on it.

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Mister l had a thirty our six. He had targets

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on a tree down going tarlet pond, and he told me, yes,

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I could shoot that. And so one day I was

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just shooting up that target and never hit it. I said, hold, look,

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I'm flawless, little pelagon and that shotgun. Why am I missing?

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And he eventually told me because your scope isn't sighted in.

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That's when I learned about sighting in the scope. So

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he did it for me, and hey, I go again,

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perfect aim and so dust dark. On any given night

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we were down there, it was an old pot in

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the backyard. Now I'm trying, I want to see this

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thing full body. The only thing I saw was face,

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his ears, full back, head and hands. That's all I seen.

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To this day. I wish I would have seen that

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thing entire by, but I didn't because I didn't know

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what it was. I wanted to know what I've seen.

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I'm still in the mindset of I didn't think anything

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about a dog man a well with anything like this

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right that even didn't even cross my mind.

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Speaker 3: Bigfoot didn't even cross my mind. Not the only thing

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it was the master.

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Speaker 1: Years went by, my granddad passed, and my mother and

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my sister moved my grandmama in town. That eliminated us

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going out to the country again, and so years passed by.

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My grandmother's past, my mother's passed as far as I passed,

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and all that and I came to Texas, got married,

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had a son up here, and so he's twelve years old.

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And like I said, I started working subway, I married,

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became a sistant manager, moving to an apartment, nice apartment,

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and my my son wanted a dog. I said, okay,

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if I can find your dog, I will get you

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a dog. I went on Craiglist and some Chewenis were

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for sale, three boys, one girl, and I called the

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guy said could you hold me one boy?

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Speaker 3: He said, yes, I will, but they're not wean yet.

477
00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:21,079
Speaker 1: Anybody don't know what that means that when they're old

478
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,960
enough to be taken away from their mother dog, when

479
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,559
they're old enough, their eyes open and they're old enough

480
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:28,319
to be taken away.

481
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,839
Speaker 3: As soon as that happened, he called me. It was

482
00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:32,440
about his belting Texas.

483
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,799
Speaker 1: I say, here in clean Texas, and I drove the

484
00:28:35,799 --> 00:28:41,480
belting Texas in the country and got the dog. My

485
00:28:41,599 --> 00:28:46,000
son named him Zero, And you know, we raised them

486
00:28:46,079 --> 00:28:48,279
up to a good size. And you know, like I say,

487
00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:51,759
that's when I was on here watching a big foot

488
00:28:51,799 --> 00:28:55,079
move one day and then on YouTube and the automatically

489
00:28:55,079 --> 00:28:55,839
when the movie went.

490
00:28:55,799 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 3: Up, it shipped the big kind of bigfoot encounters.

491
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: And so I'm like, Okay, here we go again, people

492
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,440
seeing these things out there. And then I start watching it,

493
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,480
and then I start hearing it if anybody has a

494
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,799
dog man and kind I'm like, what's a dog man?

495
00:29:13,359 --> 00:29:15,200
And so I clicked on one of those videos and

496
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:20,480
start watching it, and even then nothing clicked because from

497
00:29:20,519 --> 00:29:25,319
what people were describing, they looked nothing like I said.

498
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,759
Granted I didn't see that entire body, but it didn't

499
00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:32,559
trigued me. I mean, I love entertainment. That's where I

500
00:29:32,559 --> 00:29:35,799
thought it was. Yeah, until this little dog I got,

501
00:29:36,079 --> 00:29:38,960
got about three year and a half, two years old,

502
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,559
I'm playing with him one day on the bed. I

503
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,440
still got him now, and I'm looking at him right now,

504
00:29:47,599 --> 00:29:51,960
and I'm playing with him on the bed and I

505
00:29:52,039 --> 00:29:56,319
hold my arm up and he jumped up on my

506
00:29:56,519 --> 00:30:02,119
arm and he threw his two front paws across my

507
00:30:02,359 --> 00:30:08,240
arm and put his head across my arm, and he

508
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:10,319
bent his.

509
00:30:11,319 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 3: Entire head down.

510
00:30:14,559 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: When he did that, images immediately flashed back through my mind.

511
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:30,920
That's exactly what I saw in that window looking at me,

512
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:41,680
only one hundred times bigger, bigger head waiter. And as

513
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,599
I started thinking about yes, That's why I couldn't really

514
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,200
tell of this, not because it was down. I seen

515
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:58,759
the nose. Why, black nose, similar to my dog's, same eyes,

516
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,480
black eyes, just a little bit of white. I can

517
00:31:01,519 --> 00:31:06,400
see in there ears slightly like my dog, not identical.

518
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,079
But when I first set up and his hand stopped

519
00:31:10,119 --> 00:31:13,119
and I noticed my eyes, I noticed movement. My eyes

520
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,079
noticed movement, snakes or anything. Nothing could sneak up on

521
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:17,720
me because they have to move. I'm gonna say a rabbit,

522
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:22,039
I'm gonna see it. And as ears went back, I

523
00:31:22,079 --> 00:31:27,119
glanced up and caught him going back. They never stood

524
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:32,079
back up. They stayed folded back. And as this dog

525
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,319
did that when I'm messing with him, because when I

526
00:31:34,599 --> 00:31:36,880
froze and looked at him kind of like he was like, okay,

527
00:31:37,559 --> 00:31:41,240
what's wrong? And his ears went back, and that brought

528
00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:46,880
back memories of exactly what I saw. And I'm thinking

529
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:53,119
that I actually saw a dog man, and it took

530
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:59,440
this dog palls of this dog. If you take my

531
00:31:59,519 --> 00:32:03,519
dogs and make them twice as big, and I got

532
00:32:03,559 --> 00:32:05,559
some pretty big hand, make them twice as big as

533
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,599
my hand, and stretch them out for about six to

534
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,079
seven inches for each ring, I didn't see. I knew

535
00:32:11,079 --> 00:32:15,160
I seen four on each hand. I didn't kindt of,

536
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:16,680
but I'm pretty sure it was four. I didn't see

537
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,319
the filth when I'm pretty sure it was there, but

538
00:32:18,359 --> 00:32:21,200
I knew I seen four long ones and they were

539
00:32:21,359 --> 00:32:25,440
six to seven inches long. The coloration.

540
00:32:26,559 --> 00:32:28,759
Speaker 3: Exactly like this, pretty much like this dog.

541
00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:33,319
Speaker 1: He's brown. You want to know the color cardboard box

542
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:38,200
peanut butter, You get a jar peanut butter.

543
00:32:38,839 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 3: That's the color. That thing was.

544
00:32:42,359 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: Face wide, short hair. I didn't see shaggy hair anything.

545
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,720
It could have been on the body, but like I said,

546
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,319
I didn't see the body. I didn't see face and

547
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:54,720
hands and ears.

548
00:32:55,359 --> 00:32:57,079
Speaker 3: I didn't see any hair sticking up on the ear

549
00:32:57,119 --> 00:32:58,119
because like I said, it went back.

550
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,519
Speaker 1: They was folded. When they folded back, they stayed that

551
00:33:00,599 --> 00:33:06,759
wait for that duration of that time, and I'm like, Okay,

552
00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:13,680
I don't believe this. All this time we've been in

553
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,640
these woods down here at my granddad's house, starting off

554
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:22,680
with the pellet guns, graduated up to the shotguns, then

555
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,720
eventually with the thirty our six, and with that thirty

556
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,359
our six down I used to stand up on this

557
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:29,680
big iron.

558
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 3: Skill it up pot or whatever, It.

559
00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:37,119
Speaker 1: Was like a big Witchets pot if you to turn

560
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,799
it back over, but it was upside down with four

561
00:33:39,839 --> 00:33:41,920
little metal less stick and I used to stand up

562
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,200
on that and scan down by the pawn.

563
00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:48,599
Speaker 3: We used to go fishing net with muscope.

564
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,359
Speaker 1: It was a high power scope that came with it,

565
00:33:52,759 --> 00:33:55,200
hoping that I could see this thing. Was it going

566
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,079
down to that paw and drinking water. I would have

567
00:33:57,079 --> 00:33:58,759
had to see it before it got to the point

568
00:33:58,799 --> 00:34:02,680
across the pawn slopes down. If you stand there fishing,

569
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,440
couldn't nobody see you from who I was or telling

570
00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:07,599
my granddad's house. They had to walk back up the bank.

571
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:10,920
And so I'm scanning it with my thirty or six scope,

572
00:34:11,519 --> 00:34:16,400
hoping that I could see this full thing. One day

573
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,519
my brother started dating a girl. Her name was Darthy,

574
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:22,519
and he was dating her and her aunt was bringing

575
00:34:22,559 --> 00:34:26,159
her to Cardio. They stayed in Miner bring her to Cardio.

576
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,719
And it was Highway forty one and it was the

577
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:35,840
old It was a plant there Jarge Pacific. Once you

578
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,840
get to Jeorge Pacific, you're hearing nothing in the country

579
00:34:40,559 --> 00:34:42,559
the road there, but you got woods on both sides.

580
00:34:42,599 --> 00:34:44,960
And as it was coming up there. They eventually told

581
00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:53,199
us they seen something brown running on two legs, ran

582
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,599
across the car and the headlight from the left side

583
00:34:56,599 --> 00:34:58,679
of Jarge Pacific all the way to the other side

584
00:34:58,679 --> 00:35:01,039
of the road into the would. They say it like

585
00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:05,280
a brief second they saw it, and at that time

586
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,199
I'm telling me, I said, okay, yeah, I saw something too,

587
00:35:07,199 --> 00:35:09,000
looking at me in the water, that we both seen him.

588
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,039
All it's a big deal. And that's the way it went.

589
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,039
Speaker 3: The only thing I say, until I had seen this.

590
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: Old crazy dog I got here, looked just like And

591
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,360
to this day, I will still tell people that that

592
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,320
thing in that window shrunk down and came back to

593
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:25,760
it because I got him right here.

594
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,159
Speaker 3: That that's the mindset it put me in.

595
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: Because every time I see this dog and he make

596
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,719
any gesture like that, even when he's playing with my

597
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,559
son or he's trying to he want to get up

598
00:35:35,559 --> 00:35:37,400
on the bed, he'll throw his two front palls up

599
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,360
and lay his head down on the bed, looking at me,

600
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,119
want me to pick him up if he's two ladies

601
00:35:41,119 --> 00:35:43,840
to jump up on it. It just reminded me of

602
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:52,800
that thing I saw exactly like coloration, black nose, brownish

603
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,760
black eyes with you, just a little white you can see.

604
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,760
And I saw the white as it was moving his

605
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,679
eyes watching me as I was laying back at an

606
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,159
aim And to this day, like I said, I wish

607
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:08,119
that I could have seen the entire thing. I wanted

608
00:36:08,119 --> 00:36:10,800
to see its legs, to build up its legs, knowing

609
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:16,280
what I know now from watching mister Conde dark man

610
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,440
that kind of thing. And I don't know if it

611
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,599
was his or another one, but it was a lady

612
00:36:22,679 --> 00:36:25,840
on that I was watching one night that actually saw one,

613
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,719
and she described something exactly what I saw. Her and

614
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,039
a son. She was coming from work or somewhere, and

615
00:36:32,039 --> 00:36:35,599
she seen it at a garbage camp and she said, Chiwawa,

616
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,400
this thing looked like a giant chouina. I got a

617
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,920
CHOWEENI if you take my dog and stand him up,

618
00:36:44,119 --> 00:36:47,320
that thing had to have been eight to nine feet

619
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,320
tall just to look in that woman. That tire was

620
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,719
about pretty good sized time on that carse it was

621
00:36:54,760 --> 00:37:01,360
a full sized car. Oh Ford, Those tires was about

622
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,280
three three and a half three foot tied. I put

623
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,880
it at three foot tall and for us to stand

624
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,199
on that top that would put us at around eight

625
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,280
feet tall just to and then you had to pull

626
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:15,039
yourself up just to look into that little window. Like

627
00:37:15,079 --> 00:37:17,960
I said, it couldn't open because I knew it couldn't

628
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,719
get in. I knew it. I mean, I knew it

629
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,800
couldn't get too if it stick it breaked the window.

630
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,760
You know, it couldn't just crawl through that window, would

631
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,960
have to bust through that wall. And then bring me

632
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,679
back to where I saw that movie Silver Bullet, and

633
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,519
I was saying, oh, I'm glad that thing didn't do

634
00:37:33,559 --> 00:37:36,159
that buzz through the water. But even as I seen

635
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:40,079
Silver Bullet or the other weld war movie that I

636
00:37:40,199 --> 00:37:42,559
never watched, but I just seen some previews come up,

637
00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:47,239
nothing click until I seen this dog, or until I

638
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,119
seen that podcast for that lady said she saw a

639
00:37:49,159 --> 00:37:51,960
chiahwahwah looking thing, bright shit, and I never forget she

640
00:37:52,039 --> 00:37:53,840
was saying it was beautiful. I don't know if that

641
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,280
was mister big One or somebody else, but she was

642
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,800
saying it was beautiful. And this thing I saw it

643
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:06,199
wasn't hard. It just looked like a giant dogish. I

644
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,599
wouldn't even say, well, we probably would if I would

645
00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:11,400
have seen the entire bill. I don't know if it

646
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,719
got it had a tail or not. I don't know

647
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,679
if its legs was like well they called it hocks

648
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,840
or something or whatever they call it, anything like that.

649
00:38:20,039 --> 00:38:22,400
I don't know the length of its arms. I don't

650
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,760
know if it walked sloped over. I didn't know if

651
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,280
it had a hunk or anything in this back or anything.

652
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,440
I didn't know if it's arm was down by his knee,

653
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,840
because like I say, I didn't see the whole thing.

654
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:37,760
I wish now that I have seen the entire thing.

655
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,480
That was even time I was telling my brother, I

656
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,840
wish we could have snuck out the front door back

657
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,239
door and crawled up under the house for another angle

658
00:38:44,519 --> 00:38:47,599
and shot in his leg and knocked it down or something.

659
00:38:48,679 --> 00:38:54,400
But I'm glad we didn't knowing now, but it intrigued

660
00:38:54,440 --> 00:39:00,239
me for forty some years, and it took me that

661
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,920
long to find out what I actually saw. And like

662
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,840
I said, when my dog did that, it came back

663
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,400
as if I was back there. Then it came back

664
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:15,079
as clear as that. I could now finally identify what

665
00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:16,400
I saw, and.

666
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 3: That put a lot of things into perspective.

667
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 1: That's when I started watching this show more and more,

668
00:39:23,679 --> 00:39:27,000
and I actually met people there was a man named

669
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:32,079
mister Rachel that stayed at Court of Georgia. At that time,

670
00:39:32,599 --> 00:39:34,519
I'm a young man and I'm listening to him. I'm

671
00:39:34,559 --> 00:39:36,920
in the Rachel supermarket. He's telling the story about he's

672
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:41,480
seen a sasquatch somewhere, and at that time, I'm like, yeah, yeah,

673
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:45,800
all right. But it takes you back now that I

674
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:50,400
know there are things out there that people have seen,

675
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:57,119
but they just can't identified, you know, and make somebody

676
00:39:57,159 --> 00:39:59,320
believe what they saw. Like I said, it was the

677
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:00,639
time we was going on down there and there was

678
00:40:00,639 --> 00:40:04,519
a rouse snake that we had to stopped because it

679
00:40:04,559 --> 00:40:06,079
was crossing the road. And I knew it was a

680
00:40:06,159 --> 00:40:08,119
rouse snack because I've seen the end of this rattles.

681
00:40:08,159 --> 00:40:10,199
It was going from one field to the other. The

682
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,039
biggest roused nigger I've ever seen, nobody, Like I guarante

683
00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:17,559
you that things over fifteen sixteen foot long, that's but

684
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:22,719
like I say, I can't prove it to me. I

685
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:28,760
know one hundred percent what I saw, no mistake about

686
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:34,679
my brother, same thing, same coloration, same eye, same hand.

687
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:39,079
He saw that entire thing. Never told anybody else other

688
00:40:39,079 --> 00:40:44,119
than a couple of people at work, never asked my granddad,

689
00:40:44,119 --> 00:40:46,440
my grandmother, never told my mother, never told my uncle

690
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:47,679
and now who used to come on the end visit

691
00:40:47,679 --> 00:40:50,320
my granddad who was that sometime, never told my first cousin,

692
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:55,039
never told anybody, because I never heard anybody speak of anything. Granted,

693
00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:57,679
there was only three houses that you got. Well, you

694
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,599
could see a fourth house, but it was further up

695
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,280
from a V shaped roll that road in one beard off.

696
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,320
It was one of the house about I said, a

697
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,400
little bit over a thousand yards you can see. Never

698
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,440
talked to those people, didn't even know them. No one

699
00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:16,320
ever said any sane like that, other than mister Rachel

700
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,559
about he's seen a sasquad And I chalked that all

701
00:41:19,679 --> 00:41:24,800
being young as I was, okay, he misidentified something. But no,

702
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,920
all these people they're seeing something. I know what I saw.

703
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,199
I know for a fact it was a dog man

704
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,199
exactly what not like the people described, but I guess

705
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,880
a different variation of being if you remember being the

706
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,559
same thing. It's just been the color all I could

707
00:41:43,559 --> 00:41:45,679
see in that small I wish it was a well,

708
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,840
I don't wish it was a bigger wonder, but at

709
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,079
the same time, I wish it was a bigger window,

710
00:41:50,119 --> 00:41:56,480
because I could have seen more of it snout lord

711
00:41:57,199 --> 00:42:00,800
hands like it was like they said, put your hand

712
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,719
across the fence and then to hang down two hands

713
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,039
across the fence. That exactly had his hand up against

714
00:42:05,039 --> 00:42:08,480
it as it was, had it hanging over something. The

715
00:42:08,519 --> 00:42:13,079
screen was tore. It was grassy. My grandad a lawn more.

716
00:42:13,159 --> 00:42:16,000
But you know, even if he molded no footprints. The

717
00:42:16,119 --> 00:42:19,599
fields had no plants there. They had my granddad had

718
00:42:19,639 --> 00:42:24,119
just plowed it up. And being that young, I didn't

719
00:42:24,159 --> 00:42:26,159
think about to go out there in that field to

720
00:42:26,199 --> 00:42:27,880
see did it go that way? It was a feeling

721
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,480
in front of on the other side of the dirt road,

722
00:42:31,039 --> 00:42:32,840
and one on both sides of the houses behind it

723
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,880
leading back to the pond and the other wood. We

724
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,639
didn't think to go look to see. Was any footprints

725
00:42:39,639 --> 00:42:43,440
out there to see, you know, try to gauge the side.

726
00:42:43,519 --> 00:42:45,639
I know it was tall, and I knew it had

727
00:42:45,639 --> 00:42:47,639
a big head and big hand, and that's it. Like

728
00:42:47,679 --> 00:42:51,199
I said, I didn't see any other body chest wise

729
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:56,719
a little bit of the shoulder beat. Did it have

730
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,599
a tail or not? I don't know. I wish I

731
00:42:59,639 --> 00:43:03,360
would have out there and check the plod up field,

732
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,400
cause I'm pretty sure it was some tracks that if

733
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,639
it went that way, because like I said, I fell

734
00:43:07,679 --> 00:43:09,880
asleep as I was watching it, So I don't know

735
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:14,480
what time it left, what direction it went in. All

736
00:43:14,559 --> 00:43:16,840
I know that it was there. It woke me up.

737
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,559
Speaker 3: It tore the screen a little bit to get to

738
00:43:18,679 --> 00:43:20,079
that side, you know, I had to get this screen.

739
00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:23,679
Speaker 1: Screen was about I guess two inches separated the screen

740
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,679
from the actual little glass window, and that's two when

741
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,960
it's I didn't see any claws because of the way

742
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:33,880
it was bent down. I could just see the fingers

743
00:43:34,159 --> 00:43:38,880
folded over. I didn't see any light claws, tielers or

744
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,000
anything like that. I just saw the brown coloration. There

745
00:43:42,039 --> 00:43:46,239
was no hair on the fingers. You could see the

746
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,480
short hair on his face. I could see that clearly,

747
00:43:49,519 --> 00:43:50,960
see that. And as like I said, it was this

748
00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:54,639
peanut butter colored cardboard box color, just the whole color

749
00:43:54,639 --> 00:43:58,840
and everything. And that's what I saw. And I'm sitting

750
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,320
down there and that's trying to by this thing. What

751
00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:07,360
am I looking at? What is this thing? I'm not

752
00:44:07,519 --> 00:44:13,519
scared because it never made any aggressive movement, gesture or anything.

753
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,960
That's one reason I wasn't scared. Second reason I wasn't scared.

754
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,119
I got we got too fully loaded shotguns, a boat

755
00:44:21,159 --> 00:44:26,840
action and a pump shotgun less than i'd say, twelve

756
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,079
feet from eleven feet from me, from the other side

757
00:44:29,079 --> 00:44:32,159
of that bed, leaning up against where that old grandfather

758
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:36,559
clock was, fully loaded, buck shot sludluck, buck shot flood.

759
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,159
So if the trick bust that winder, I'm gone for

760
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,840
the gun. Somebody go out the back door, I always stop,

761
00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:43,800
or they get out there before we can get up.

762
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,400
We're running out there. My granddad had an old high

763
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,000
powered flashlight in case somebody need to use at our house.

764
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:55,159
They take that flashlight, oh yellow flashlight with like four bubbs,

765
00:44:55,199 --> 00:44:57,400
and then you cut that thing on it. There's a

766
00:44:57,519 --> 00:45:01,679
zoom in, a zoom out. And like I said, to

767
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:03,679
this day, I wish I had to took that flash

768
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,920
like that, me and my brother and just whether it

769
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,000
ran off or whatever it did. I really wish to

770
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,840
this day I could have. I know what it was

771
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,320
by face and hands, but I really wanted to see

772
00:45:16,039 --> 00:45:18,000
the size of it, because like I see when I

773
00:45:18,039 --> 00:45:21,440
wiped mister Connor thing, people seeing the entire thing. They

774
00:45:21,559 --> 00:45:25,559
seen its legs and arm, his body the side, they

775
00:45:25,559 --> 00:45:28,119
could gauge the weight of it. I couldn't do none

776
00:45:28,159 --> 00:45:29,920
of that because, like I say, all I saw was

777
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,760
face and hands and his ears fold. But I never

778
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,920
forget the face, never forget the hand, and I'll never

779
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,719
forget the ears. And both ears folded back instantly like

780
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,800
if not in a fretting emotions. Like my dog, he'll

781
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,920
do it when he's see something he hears strained art though,

782
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:46,920
either he'll perk up and his ears to go back,

783
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,480
or I look at it, strange, it's ears to go back.

784
00:45:50,519 --> 00:45:53,800
It's just like what you doing. I'm sure that thing

785
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,119
is trying to figure out what I was. And to

786
00:45:56,119 --> 00:46:03,000
this day, how many times have that thing watch me fish,

787
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:07,559
watch me go down there and hunt or just walk

788
00:46:07,639 --> 00:46:09,119
me just go down there, just to get away from

789
00:46:09,119 --> 00:46:11,559
my accravating brothers and sister. Just go down there and

790
00:46:11,639 --> 00:46:14,239
just walk up new woods. Sometime. I went by myself

791
00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:18,199
hundreds of times, climbing trees down there, just sitting up

792
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,960
there in the cool breeze, up in a tree at

793
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,440
the time, with a pelic gun at the time, with

794
00:46:23,559 --> 00:46:26,360
a mea big gun. I never went with the shotgun.

795
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,079
I never went down there with my thirty or six

796
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,440
Never I just stayed there with the scope on it,

797
00:46:33,559 --> 00:46:40,760
scanning just around, trying to see, can I see this thing?

798
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,199
I want to see the whole thing. Will it come back?

799
00:46:44,559 --> 00:46:49,480
Never did. From the years passed, I never seen anything

800
00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:52,800
like it. I watched that window. There was time of night.

801
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,400
I woke up and I got in set straight up.

802
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:00,639
This time I went to an angle. Nothing. Never seen

803
00:47:00,639 --> 00:47:02,480
it again. But I wonder how many time hasn't been

804
00:47:02,519 --> 00:47:06,039
there watching us? Had it watched my mother in the

805
00:47:06,079 --> 00:47:09,360
other room? Did it look out the other window? And

806
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,840
what did it watch? Was it watching my grandfather and grandmother?

807
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:14,679
Speaker 3: Those doors?

808
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: Was you took a nail, took a piece of like

809
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,960
a six inch piece of wood, and nailed the nail

810
00:47:21,039 --> 00:47:21,320
through it.

811
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 3: That's the only thing kept the back door closed.

812
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:27,559
Speaker 1: You nail that nail into the walk of that stick

813
00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:29,440
on and you turn that stick into the hole that door.

814
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:35,519
Speaker 3: Front door had just a little silver thing screwed into it.

815
00:47:35,639 --> 00:47:38,519
Speaker 1: And then the latch that they put that into it

816
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:40,840
like a circle on the end of it, of a

817
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,400
circle on the of the screw, and you screw it

818
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,440
in and then you put that latch on there and

819
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:48,320
you lack it. That was the only thing holding keeping

820
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,119
those doors from being open. My younger brother could have

821
00:47:51,199 --> 00:47:54,119
kicked them in. I'm quite sure that thing could have

822
00:47:54,159 --> 00:47:56,679
come for that, that flimsy house. It could have got

823
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,800
in if it wanted to. It could have come through

824
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,320
that one small show up that nail, and that thing

825
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,639
was coming out because we've done it. We've come not

826
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,079
thinking the door was opened it but it was locked.

827
00:48:07,159 --> 00:48:09,440
And we pushed them that door and had to nail

828
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,440
it back in at a different place, because you know,

829
00:48:11,519 --> 00:48:14,360
once you nail it and there it get loose. That

830
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,159
thing could have got in there, and that's would word

831
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:17,760
me and my brother. That's why we were sitting out

832
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,920
in that ditch hoping to see this thing. And yes,

833
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,760
at that time we were mad set on killing it.

834
00:48:25,079 --> 00:48:27,880
But like I said, over the years, I wanted being grown.

835
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:34,039
I'm like that thing. It actually posed no threat. It

836
00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:38,559
didn't threw me. I guess it's more like curious I was.

837
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:40,760
I was a bigger threat than it. I'm the one

838
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,800
to know what the shotguns over there. I'm a bigger

839
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:45,840
threat to it than it was to me. That's what

840
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,320
I've learned over the year. And now we would have

841
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,119
went out there. I don't know what it would have did.

842
00:48:50,119 --> 00:48:54,119
It would have ran out, would the other attackers. Like

843
00:48:54,159 --> 00:48:58,599
I said, it was no gesture of hostility from this thing.

844
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,039
I'm glad at this age that I actually got to

845
00:49:03,119 --> 00:49:06,239
identify what I see. It put my mind at rest.

846
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,519
This little dog of mine laying here zero put my

847
00:49:09,639 --> 00:49:12,800
mind at ease because I now know what I saw.

848
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,480
My older brother now know what he saw, and he

849
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,199
as we talked about it, no older than all that.

850
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,559
He didn't say, well wolf, He didn't say dog man

851
00:49:24,599 --> 00:49:26,800
anything like that. And you know, I'm gonna ask him

852
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,559
one of these a saying I'm suggest I want you

853
00:49:28,599 --> 00:49:32,400
to check out something. I'm gonna send him a picture.

854
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,840
I'm put this dog in the same position. I guarantee

855
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:39,000
you he's gonna say that's what I saw, because as

856
00:49:39,079 --> 00:49:41,480
he told me, you know, the same coloration, same eyes,

857
00:49:41,599 --> 00:49:47,360
same hands, everything identical. And I'm like, I done, sen Hey,

858
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:52,880
dog man, well wolf didn't come out because to me,

859
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:58,239
a man changed and growing bone masks and mouse stretching

860
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,039
out that that's inconceivable to me. But like I said,

861
00:50:01,119 --> 00:50:03,880
once I seen that, that put me at like, Okay,

862
00:50:05,599 --> 00:50:10,119
you didn't believe in that monsters you didn't believe in

863
00:50:10,159 --> 00:50:11,840
when you was to watch thee podcast. You didn't believe in,

864
00:50:12,079 --> 00:50:14,000
but you didn't believe in his dog man. You didn't

865
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:18,280
believe in that, but you just didn't know you saw one.

866
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,039
Took this little dog, and it took that lady seeing

867
00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:24,440
it described it once she's seeing a garbage can. And

868
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:26,880
it took this dog for me to finally figure out

869
00:50:27,159 --> 00:50:30,679
what I seen, and I could just close my eyes

870
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,840
and bring that image back up perfectly. I now know

871
00:50:35,039 --> 00:50:37,159
that details of it. How it's not. If it would

872
00:50:37,159 --> 00:50:39,239
have lifted the snot up, I would have seen it

873
00:50:39,519 --> 00:50:41,960
was long. I can tell it was long because his

874
00:50:42,159 --> 00:50:46,719
eyes was up a bull a little bit, even to

875
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,719
the top of that window, so I had about a

876
00:50:50,039 --> 00:50:52,320
foot a window to see it it snop. So I

877
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,679
know that's not what it at least a foot long,

878
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:57,880
because I seen the tip of his nose as far

879
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:04,559
as showing his teeth note growling, No no sound, obviously

880
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:09,360
no smell, because nowhere inside the house nothing, only movement

881
00:51:09,519 --> 00:51:11,599
was his ears, eyes and his hand when it was

882
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,480
tapping on that winter when I stood up, I mustn't

883
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:19,039
surprised it and it froze never took his eyes off. Never,

884
00:51:20,079 --> 00:51:22,199
at no time did it take and at no time

885
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:23,880
when I took my eyes off. There a couple times

886
00:51:24,199 --> 00:51:26,039
letting over the sea if anybody going out that door,

887
00:51:26,079 --> 00:51:30,840
and then see what time it was. And like I said,

888
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,360
I'm glad that I got this dog or it put

889
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,679
my mind at rest because I I for years and

890
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,960
years and years, I'm trying to figure out what what

891
00:51:40,119 --> 00:51:41,079
did you see, James?

892
00:51:41,199 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 3: What did you see?

893
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 1: I heard about these dog man now because I started

894
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,239
watching this right and I still do, and I'm gonna

895
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,360
earn that for this, I'm gonna watch some more because

896
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,559
now I'm intrigued. I'm like I said, I'm here in

897
00:51:54,679 --> 00:51:58,320
Texas and I've even seen knowing some on the park

898
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,320
at people's in various parts of tees close around where

899
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,079
I said they have seen them. I go to a

900
00:52:04,199 --> 00:52:06,440
ranch with a friend of mine. I help whole week.

901
00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:08,320
Now I have a thirty or circle with night vision,

902
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,159
thermovisi and all there. And I go to his ranch

903
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,719
because it's the weak target practice out there, the sidey

904
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,440
guns and the Sini thermos in the night vision infrared

905
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,199
and all that, and I'm just wondering while we're out

906
00:52:19,199 --> 00:52:21,159
here doing this, or how many times I've been here

907
00:52:21,199 --> 00:52:23,119
in Texas in these wood fishing and hunting.

908
00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 3: What was looking at me? These noise I hear in

909
00:52:31,519 --> 00:52:32,119
the wood.

910
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 1: Maybe could have been like I said, Oh, I get,

911
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:40,039
I wasn't paying attention because my mindset was the biggest

912
00:52:40,039 --> 00:52:43,199
thing you're gonna see is a cow. But seeing some cayo,

913
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,960
there's no bearings up there for us, I know, And

914
00:52:46,079 --> 00:52:48,440
that certainly wasn't no bear looking at me in that

915
00:52:48,519 --> 00:52:51,320
wonder that I thought about that, it wasn't no barrel.

916
00:52:51,559 --> 00:52:53,400
I knew exactly where the bear is. I know where

917
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:57,639
the bear looks. I've seen them. I've seen them walking around.

918
00:52:58,199 --> 00:53:01,800
Was not at Zoo's and all that. And like I said,

919
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,280
that night, I eliminated everything. I eliminated deer. A deer

920
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,079
stand up. It would have been a very big deer,

921
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:10,280
but not with hands like that, not with a face

922
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,559
like that, not with ears, not with eyes like that,

923
00:53:12,679 --> 00:53:16,719
and not a head that big that basketball. Take up

924
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:24,800
basketball and a football. Place that football at the bottom

925
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,519
of that basketball in that little bit and you'll have

926
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:29,920
basically what the size of that thing what I was

927
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:36,079
looking at and with his head down and it snouted down.

928
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:43,360
That's what I saw, and it took this dog here,

929
00:53:43,519 --> 00:53:47,280
he's about I put him in fifteen pounds, a little

930
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,159
small dog. It's a little small chewena. It's a Chihuahua

931
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,639
and a winter dog combination to come up with a chiweenie.

932
00:53:54,079 --> 00:53:58,880
He's got a little long body, pretty good decent sized

933
00:53:59,039 --> 00:54:01,679
snat on him. Like I said, he's got pretty big eyes.

934
00:54:01,679 --> 00:54:02,639
And the thing eyes were big.

935
00:54:03,039 --> 00:54:03,119
Speaker 2: Here.

936
00:54:03,199 --> 00:54:06,800
Speaker 1: Let me tell you that his eyes were big, bigger

937
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,639
than a Selver dollar. Yes, bigger than a Selver dollar.

938
00:54:11,079 --> 00:54:18,719
The fingers far longer and larger than mine. That should

939
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:20,800
have scared me there when you see the size of

940
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:22,840
his fingers, Like I say, I focus on the finger.

941
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,519
What took my eyes off the fingers? When his ears

942
00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:29,320
went back and I kind of glanced up looked his ears,

943
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:30,880
but then it rale up under that there go his

944
00:54:31,119 --> 00:54:33,960
eyes and so we locked eyes. I know people say

945
00:54:34,079 --> 00:54:36,199
thing get aggress if you locked eyes. When I learned

946
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,800
over the years, but at the age I couldn't help it.

947
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:44,880
When we locked eyes, we just it was like a

948
00:54:45,039 --> 00:54:48,880
sense of I'm trying to figure out what it is,

949
00:54:49,079 --> 00:54:52,320
and it's trying to figure out what I am or

950
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,679
why I'm looking at it like that? Why I guess

951
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:58,280
why I'm not scared. There was nothing like any mind

952
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,679
speak what I now hear something woman? Nothing like that,

953
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,159
no sense of dread anything. I had a sense of

954
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:09,320
security because A. I'm inside the house. B the small

955
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:15,639
woman c two lower shotguns over there, and so I'm

956
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,119
pretty much secure now. It was it a bigger wonder?

957
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,320
Did we only had a pallet gun that we were

958
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,840
been there, we would have came at that time, probably

959
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:26,800
would have scared me half to death if I would

960
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:27,239
have jumped.

961
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 3: I'm glad my younger siblings didn wake up.

962
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: The three between me and my h the two between

963
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,679
me and my older brother was six of us, my

964
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,360
sister and one of the two. And yeah, the two

965
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,960
between me and my brother come other younger brother slept,

966
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,760
my sister in other bed. Had they woke up and

967
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:46,960
looked at it, I guarantee you they would have been

968
00:55:47,079 --> 00:55:49,199
hollering and screaming. The thing probably would have run away.

969
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,239
I probably could run outside with that flashlight. I probably

970
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,320
gotta look at it then. But I knew had they

971
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,000
would have said or somebody would out there doing that

972
00:55:56,079 --> 00:55:57,880
thing would have confronted them. It would have been some

973
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:01,920
screaming and hollering. So I'm glad that didn't happen. Like

974
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,199
I said, it was no aggression to it. It was

975
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,320
nothing to scare me. It just put me on alert

976
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:13,960
to know, now watch your surroundings more. Because we went

977
00:56:14,119 --> 00:56:17,920
hunting after that, we went fishing after that. Never seen

978
00:56:18,039 --> 00:56:21,000
anything close or remotely close to what you know, I've

979
00:56:21,079 --> 00:56:23,559
seen that one. He was on alert too, my older

980
00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:27,119
brother because we we now find ourselves coming back up

981
00:56:27,199 --> 00:56:29,599
out of there when we got a little light.

982
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 3: We never took any flashlight.

983
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:33,639
Speaker 1: That was not that we were the only thing. We

984
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,480
took more shelves and our jacket pocket and that was it.

985
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,679
Speaker 3: Sometimes we had the shotguns.

986
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 1: Tied a rope around because we didn't have the you

987
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,559
know anything that scrapped anything, tyler rope around, throw them

988
00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:47,400
over our shoulder, and took the pelt gun because we

989
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,920
didn't want to shoot the new little birds little turtles

990
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,559
in the little pond with the shotgun, so we took

991
00:56:52,599 --> 00:56:55,079
the peilant guns too. But we always made sure we

992
00:56:55,119 --> 00:56:57,599
had those shotgun buckshots little buckshots slot and we went

993
00:56:57,719 --> 00:56:59,760
down there. But like I said, we never seen anything

994
00:57:00,119 --> 00:57:03,360
now footprints or anything or nothing like that. We wasn't

995
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:08,840
looking for it. And but that's my encounter. And like

996
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:12,199
I said, those two things, that gigantic snake and that

997
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:15,559
thing I saw in the woman, and it now put

998
00:57:15,639 --> 00:57:17,920
me into I know there are things out loocause, like

999
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:22,039
I said, I've heard people say what they saw, things

1000
00:57:22,119 --> 00:57:24,320
of what they saw, the skin walkers. I had a

1001
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,280
guy up here that was a guy up here, wrecked

1002
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:33,360
his car coming from Gatesville, Texas. I met him in

1003
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,920
Gatesville and I had to take my brother to want

1004
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,000
of my brothers to court. Down there in the court

1005
00:57:38,039 --> 00:57:40,360
when he was talking about he wrecked his car because

1006
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,320
he saw a skin walker. And that was the preson

1007
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:46,559
that I ever heard that word was skin walker. He

1008
00:57:46,639 --> 00:57:48,079
wrecked his car for a skin walker.

1009
00:57:48,159 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 3: And I knew, like I said at that time that

1010
00:57:50,079 --> 00:57:52,239
before I had this.

1011
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: Dog, I'm like, okay, what's a skin walker? Looked it up?

1012
00:57:58,719 --> 00:58:01,280
Oh yeah, oh yeah, okay, here we go again. You

1013
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,480
probably drunk and just ran a car the rod. You

1014
00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:06,440
talk things like that. But after I found out what

1015
00:58:06,639 --> 00:58:12,400
I saw, I'm not putting nothing past anybody else what

1016
00:58:12,599 --> 00:58:17,599
they saw. I was in the Navy, San Diego, California,

1017
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:27,840
seeing things paper wise. I was a radio man on

1018
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:37,920
the ship It's Nimic Aircraft carrier, and I seen some

1019
00:58:38,119 --> 00:58:41,320
top secret document. Nothing like you know what crip was

1020
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:44,039
anything like that, every but it was. It was things

1021
00:58:47,199 --> 00:58:50,760
seeing a gigantic shark go up on the A mya

1022
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:52,960
coil the US is mind cord. It was the first

1023
00:58:53,039 --> 00:58:54,840
ship I was on before I got transferred to US

1024
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,360
as NIM as a radio man telecommunication in there with

1025
00:58:57,519 --> 00:59:00,000
sound power telephone. I was in the US is mine.

1026
00:59:00,079 --> 00:59:06,239
I called ya frigate fast frigate FFG so not ff

1027
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,400
g FF wasn't got it was at nuclear It was

1028
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,679
just a fl and I just seen a big white

1029
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,280
looking shark go up under it off big fish go

1030
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:15,880
up on it and come back over. I used to

1031
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:17,679
hang off the side of that ship, like I said,

1032
00:59:17,719 --> 00:59:21,079
I wasn't scared of anything at that that at young age.

1033
00:59:22,239 --> 00:59:23,760
Me and Darrel Dark, a friend of mine, new we

1034
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:25,400
just hang out the side of the ship. Like I said,

1035
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,159
nothing scared me. And I'm kind of glad I was

1036
00:59:28,239 --> 00:59:30,599
in that mindset because I didn't panic that night. I

1037
00:59:30,679 --> 00:59:32,679
didn't fire a shot through that window or nothing like that.

1038
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:35,159
I'm just glad I was my I don't know. My

1039
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,920
brother saying way that it wasn't scared of nothing. We

1040
00:59:39,079 --> 00:59:39,920
see it, we see it.

1041
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:45,119
Speaker 3: It attacked us, We attack it. That's that's the mindset when.

1042
00:59:45,199 --> 00:59:49,599
Speaker 1: We freaking the shot ones can kill anything that we

1043
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:54,159
seen down there, deer, wild boar, never killed a deer

1044
00:59:54,239 --> 00:59:56,639
on wild pig, anything like that. There's rabbit sculls and

1045
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,199
the couple of ducks every now and then it land

1046
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,400
in that pond and we catch them before because of

1047
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:03,480
the anger. We crawl up on them and jump up

1048
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:05,239
and they try to fly. Bring them down with the

1049
01:00:05,239 --> 01:00:08,880
shot guns. That's it. But to this day I wondered

1050
01:00:09,639 --> 01:00:13,840
how many times had that thing watch us down there hunt?

1051
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:17,039
How many time I had to see my granddad clown

1052
01:00:17,119 --> 01:00:20,079
the field. How many time had to see you, mister

1053
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,800
l out there target practicing with this ripper him in

1054
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:26,440
the sun. How many time had seen you know, anybody

1055
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,880
else that went down there fishing has just missed sitting

1056
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:32,159
there watching. How long has it been down there? How

1057
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:37,920
many is it more than one? That's you know? The

1058
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:41,159
thing went through my mind. If it's one, that's another

1059
01:00:42,719 --> 01:00:45,000
they had young, was some smaller down there? Put the

1060
01:00:45,079 --> 01:00:47,760
little rustling in the bushes or could have been high

1061
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,519
or scurrying away because we heard chalk it up to

1062
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:53,000
a wild hit, right, because it was thick down there,

1063
01:00:53,239 --> 01:00:58,000
really thick. That's why we wanted jacket to keep from

1064
01:00:58,039 --> 01:00:59,880
the little sticks, from sticks on all that. We just

1065
01:01:00,039 --> 01:01:01,679
push our way through. It didn't make no difference. We

1066
01:01:01,719 --> 01:01:04,320
didn't try to find no alf or anything. We walked

1067
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:07,760
directly through the bushes and we didn't care. At that age,

1068
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:11,800
we go in black dog, coming back no light. We

1069
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,480
know that whatever we coming at, we're gonna either come

1070
01:01:14,559 --> 01:01:17,360
out by the road Mr. Alehouse or his son's house

1071
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,559
or the pond. We know we're gonna eventure come out,

1072
01:01:20,599 --> 01:01:22,760
and we walk full enough, we're gonna hit that dirt road.

1073
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,239
You gonna guarantee hit that dirt road. And we just

1074
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:27,000
no which way to walk left or right to get

1075
01:01:27,039 --> 01:01:29,639
back to my grandad's house. So we didn't care. They

1076
01:01:29,639 --> 01:01:34,000
didn't snakes didn't care. We ain't even thinking about dog

1077
01:01:34,079 --> 01:01:37,679
Man or big for nothing like that. But at that time,

1078
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:41,920
you know, monster, this thing's still here? Is it gone?

1079
01:01:42,199 --> 01:01:44,679
Was that that thing that darkness saw running across her

1080
01:01:44,719 --> 01:01:47,199
and aunts in front of that car, was it was

1081
01:01:47,239 --> 01:01:49,280
five miles away joint the sippy to my grandma house

1082
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,199
about five miles away leading back to card here. Was

1083
01:01:52,239 --> 01:01:55,119
that it? This iss gone? Did it die? It's still

1084
01:01:55,119 --> 01:01:57,239
allied to this day, that's the thing. Yeah, it's still

1085
01:01:57,239 --> 01:01:58,760
allied to the deck. Why I got it right here?

1086
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,679
While I'm always it's jokingly saying, my little dog, is

1087
01:02:01,719 --> 01:02:03,840
it just struck down and came back to me? But

1088
01:02:04,719 --> 01:02:07,599
in reality? Is it? Is it still alive? I'm still alive?

1089
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:11,480
My brother still alive? Is that my own simple still

1090
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:14,000
a live? Is it still there? Has it moved on?

1091
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:18,320
Has it made it? Or that more? Has anybody else

1092
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,760
seen something that looked like it down there? Like I said,

1093
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:23,880
when I moved to Texas, I haven't been back to Georgia.

1094
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:25,760
One time that was my mom's criminal and other than that,

1095
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:28,039
I went. We went to the area. The house is

1096
01:02:28,119 --> 01:02:31,079
gone now, it's a complete field now, mister el house

1097
01:02:31,159 --> 01:02:33,880
still down there, son, I was still down there brick houses.

1098
01:02:35,039 --> 01:02:37,639
But our grandfather's out there. It's been tore down. I

1099
01:02:37,679 --> 01:02:42,320
guess the pond's still there, just a complete field. There's

1100
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,280
no mailbox. And we just me and my older brother

1101
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:46,480
just went down there reminiscing. We went down to my

1102
01:02:46,599 --> 01:02:48,760
old and average arge where we went through the woods

1103
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:53,719
down there, just as big as Bianna, matter of fact,

1104
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:58,440
bigger and wood would like area. What. Never saw anything

1105
01:02:58,639 --> 01:03:02,679
like that, never heard anybody say anything like that until

1106
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:04,400
you know, I got out his podcas. I hear people

1107
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:06,880
from Georgia, certain parts of George that I know about that,

1108
01:03:07,039 --> 01:03:11,639
they've seen them here in Texas, up in Florida where

1109
01:03:11,679 --> 01:03:13,840
my aunt staying out. But no, I am said nothing

1110
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:16,440
about that, So I only hear it on these podcasts,

1111
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,840
but I know that I'm one of them. I saw

1112
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:26,440
it two hours more, looking at it directly at it.

1113
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:29,719
Couldn't mistake it for nothing at that time but the Mars.

1114
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:35,079
But now I know that was their dog head even

1115
01:03:35,159 --> 01:03:38,360
went back just like this one, snout point it down,

1116
01:03:40,519 --> 01:03:46,400
eyes just like this dog mouth down black, No, just

1117
01:03:46,559 --> 01:03:51,320
like them, same color, same color. It was a time

1118
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:53,039
I thought I was looking at my reflection cause I'm

1119
01:03:53,039 --> 01:03:56,800
about to saying, cause I'm peanut butter color, a black guy,

1120
01:03:57,519 --> 01:04:01,159
peanut butter color. That's what I'm big. Okay, I get

1121
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:03,760
my I see my reflection at that time, I'm trying

1122
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:07,239
to chalk it up. Went until my brother said, did

1123
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:14,639
you see that thing in the window last night. I'm like, okay, yeah,

1124
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:19,880
I saw it, and I left the shot going die.

1125
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:21,519
I used to take it home with my granddad' shot

1126
01:04:22,199 --> 01:04:25,000
caught here then we go to Average to my grandmother,

1127
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:30,679
my grandmother's house on my dad's side. Glad Now, but

1128
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:33,239
I didn't take it. I left it buck shots love buckshot,

1129
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:35,440
and that was for the protection of my granddad. Never

1130
01:04:35,599 --> 01:04:41,039
told them what we saw, never told anybody, Glad. I

1131
01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:43,320
didn't because, like I said, they never see anything over

1132
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:47,000
the years of coming back that that one incident. And

1133
01:04:47,599 --> 01:04:49,800
like I say, to this day, I wish I could

1134
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:51,559
see enough. I don't care what kind it is, what

1135
01:04:51,719 --> 01:04:53,599
type it is. If I learned there are different types.

1136
01:04:53,679 --> 01:04:56,920
Now I don't care. I wish I could be passing

1137
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:58,199
out of my car and just see what one running

1138
01:04:58,239 --> 01:04:59,920
from front of me and y'all standing side the road WITHO.

1139
01:05:00,199 --> 01:05:03,400
I'm just gonna glance, Okay, thank you by and I'll

1140
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:07,440
be satisfied. I still hope that because I want to

1141
01:05:07,519 --> 01:05:11,639
see a fool everything. I want to see the full body,

1142
01:05:12,119 --> 01:05:17,440
not just the head in hand. That didn't satisfy me

1143
01:05:17,679 --> 01:05:22,440
that now, it didn't satisfy me. Like then, I really

1144
01:05:22,599 --> 01:05:25,760
I didn't care because now I'm young, like I say, fearless,

1145
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:29,320
thinking the shot guns were cannons could stop any thing.

1146
01:05:31,519 --> 01:05:34,079
But I'm so glad that I got this dot because

1147
01:05:34,079 --> 01:05:37,000
that finally put my mind at ease. I now know

1148
01:05:37,639 --> 01:05:44,719
exactly what I saw, big giant dog like creature looking

1149
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:50,320
at me in the window, and I wish to this

1150
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:52,400
day I could have seen the horse. I wish you

1151
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:53,880
would have walked off, and I wish I could have

1152
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,519
just peeped at the back door with I didn't know

1153
01:05:56,559 --> 01:05:58,400
an it, shine the flashlight on it, just to see

1154
01:06:00,199 --> 01:06:03,639
what its entire body looked like. Judging from the side

1155
01:06:03,679 --> 01:06:06,719
of his head and his hand, it had to have

1156
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:10,199
been big. I knew it was tall to actually look

1157
01:06:10,199 --> 01:06:11,519
in at that windom, unless it was standing up on

1158
01:06:11,559 --> 01:06:13,760
that tie whatever. You no, the tires always locked up

1159
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:16,079
in the sheds, and the old ball hited tied old

1160
01:06:16,159 --> 01:06:18,079
huged tie, but he always locked them up in a

1161
01:06:18,119 --> 01:06:26,360
little small shed, and I wish I could have seen it.

1162
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:27,800
I wish I could have seen at least a track

1163
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:32,599
if I done had no since then, I wish I

1164
01:06:32,639 --> 01:06:34,800
could have seen just how big these tracks were. The

1165
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:37,920
Only thing I know the coloration how it looked, and

1166
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:41,960
it was tall over eight big tall, and to this day,

1167
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:46,840
I still can't believe it. Something that tall, hit that

1168
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:54,880
big hand that big and wow, the same thing I'm

1169
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:58,599
watching on mster Connor think I saw one. I have

1170
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:01,559
joined those people. Uh well, I've been a member of

1171
01:07:01,599 --> 01:07:04,920
them all this wild and just didn't know it. But

1172
01:07:05,119 --> 01:07:10,960
now I do. And that's what happened. And I'm glad

1173
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:15,360
this dog pretty much put me onto it. And that

1174
01:07:15,519 --> 01:07:17,960
lady that described it when she saw it took those

1175
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:22,199
two things to take me back there to finally identify

1176
01:07:22,719 --> 01:07:26,800
what I seen, because back then the only dogs that

1177
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:29,400
I had was my granddad's house, my grandmother and my

1178
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:34,400
grandad house on my dad's side was sharp muzzled little

1179
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:39,159
pit bull pit bull mixes, and like I say, the

1180
01:07:39,239 --> 01:07:41,599
smallness of the towns we went to that when nobody

1181
01:07:41,639 --> 01:07:46,039
didn't have You didn't see German shepherds or the other

1182
01:07:46,159 --> 01:07:48,440
dog when he lost that Wait, it just didn't happen.

1183
01:07:50,159 --> 01:07:52,800
People didn't know Chiweni's. I ain't know what CHIMWENI was

1184
01:07:54,159 --> 01:07:56,880
never heard the name. And the dogs we seen was

1185
01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:00,679
these big rock wallers pit bulls or or either these

1186
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:05,440
one Lady of Saint. But no, and that's all I'm

1187
01:08:05,519 --> 01:08:09,119
used to, That's all I'm seeing. Like I said, I

1188
01:08:09,199 --> 01:08:12,239
never looked at Wellworth movies over the years I've seen

1189
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,199
Tilly was. It was the only one I actually sat

1190
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:18,680
down and watched the entire thing. And the only reason

1191
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:20,880
I watched that because I was intrigued about I wanted

1192
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:24,680
that well with Forget that boy's uncle because he didn't

1193
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:28,920
believe him. That's the only reason I watched it. But

1194
01:08:29,039 --> 01:08:30,960
other than that, that's my encounter.

1195
01:08:32,039 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 2: One thing's for sure, James, you definitely don't frighten easily.

1196
01:08:35,039 --> 01:08:40,520
Speaker 1: Dia. Oh no, that's I picked up Raleigh snakes, four

1197
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:44,000
or five long Ralph snakes, I like I said, clam

1198
01:08:44,319 --> 01:08:47,640
chip top trees and all that. I've been in pins

1199
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:51,600
with bulls down there on Araba, Georgia, my dad's house.

1200
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:55,640
Whenever down in there wanted the slaughter the pigs for him,

1201
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:58,640
I've done it for them. I've got in fences with

1202
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:01,479
aggressive dogs and all that.

1203
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:05,319
Speaker 2: It did nothing scarcee me, I'd say, it doesn't.

1204
01:09:06,319 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 1: That one thing scared me. A catfish a catfish, I

1205
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:14,239
am not picking up a catfish. I will pick up

1206
01:09:14,319 --> 01:09:16,640
a rattlesnake before I pick up a catfish.

1207
01:09:18,039 --> 01:09:19,760
Speaker 2: Well because of the barbs.

1208
01:09:20,399 --> 01:09:23,279
Speaker 1: That's right. And I tried. My brother caught a very

1209
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:26,760
big one at that same pawn down there in Vana, Georgia,

1210
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:31,600
behind my granddad's house. He caught a really big catfish

1211
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:34,680
out that pawn. That poe was known for a big catfish,

1212
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:39,039
and it broke the line and it was flopping trying

1213
01:09:39,039 --> 01:09:41,720
to get back into the water, and me, being a dummy,

1214
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:45,399
ran over there and grabbed that fish by his head,

1215
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:50,880
and it made me turn it loose. From this day on,

1216
01:09:51,119 --> 01:09:55,279
I would never touch a catfish. He had to kick.

1217
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:57,399
We got the fish. He grabbed it by his tail

1218
01:09:57,439 --> 01:09:59,560
and pulled it up over that back and through it

1219
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:02,439
into the feel. That's all we got that fish. But

1220
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:05,239
from that day I and anybody that know me, they

1221
01:10:05,279 --> 01:10:08,760
would tell you he would two things the James Blower

1222
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:11,760
will never do. Either pickle or pick up a catfish.

1223
01:10:13,159 --> 01:10:16,159
Never I cut the line if I catch one, or

1224
01:10:16,239 --> 01:10:18,880
I have somebody else take it off. They kept trying

1225
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:21,680
to show me, I don't know, put your hand behind

1226
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:24,960
this box. I'm not doing it. I'm not picking up

1227
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:28,520
a catfish. And I take a stick and push it

1228
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:30,479
back behind a rob's neck head and reach down there

1229
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:33,199
and pick him up. You'll pick up a rob snake

1230
01:10:33,239 --> 01:10:36,800
before you pick up a catfish. Yes, I will. I

1231
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:41,159
sure will not picking up a catfish. I've been close

1232
01:10:41,239 --> 01:10:47,000
to alligators fishing. We had one about twelve foot long

1233
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:49,439
in Cordeas who I stayed at that stayed in the point,

1234
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:53,319
never bothered anybody. And I'm looking at it and looking

1235
01:10:53,319 --> 01:10:54,760
at me. I just walked by it and just looked

1236
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:57,560
at it. It never did come out, And that's no,

1237
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:00,680
young not scared of anything. And if actually the thing

1238
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:03,239
you no, it did something and they took it to

1239
01:11:03,399 --> 01:11:05,039
the All Bennie Blue.

1240
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 3: They capt we were sitting there watching it.

1241
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:10,319
Speaker 1: They tracilized it and put it on something and took

1242
01:11:10,359 --> 01:11:11,840
it to the All Bending so they said it was

1243
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:14,239
getting too big for that part. It was a pay

1244
01:11:14,319 --> 01:11:16,880
pond that people can go there and pay the fish,

1245
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:19,479
and they paid for the fish by the pounds. And

1246
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:21,760
that thing was eve carps and the other big fish.

1247
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:25,920
And they finally called it trackilized and trapped it and

1248
01:11:26,079 --> 01:11:30,239
took it to the zoo and All Bennie and we

1249
01:11:30,279 --> 01:11:32,439
were still watching them at the haller down it's pretty big.

1250
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:35,760
Another one, a guy had it in his pawn and

1251
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:38,680
he wanted us somebody to eliminate it for him, and

1252
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:40,439
he got us to do it.

1253
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say you aren't afraid of anything if you

1254
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:47,159
did all those things except for catfish, of course, for

1255
01:11:47,199 --> 01:11:49,960
the reasons you laid out. Yeah, that catfish. That must

1256
01:11:50,039 --> 01:11:52,960
have made quite the example of you'd have some fear

1257
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:53,720
of these guys.

1258
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:54,399
Speaker 1: But I get it.

1259
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:57,920
Speaker 2: It doesn't feel good when they sting you. We're over

1260
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,479
an hour into this, James, and I've got plenty of

1261
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:03,520
questions for you. Would you be okay coming back for

1262
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:05,560
a part too, so I could ask you all these

1263
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:08,119
questions and I might be able to get some listener

1264
01:12:08,279 --> 01:12:10,880
questions too that they want me to ask you as well.

1265
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:11,880
Would you be okay with that?

1266
01:12:12,039 --> 01:12:13,680
Speaker 1: Sure? I sure would.

1267
01:12:14,279 --> 01:12:17,279
Speaker 2: Oh good. Well, that's what we'll do then, and hopefully

1268
01:12:17,319 --> 01:12:19,359
when you come back for part two, you'll have some

1269
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:22,279
good pictures of Zero. You won't mind me posting so

1270
01:12:22,399 --> 01:12:23,399
everybody can see them.

1271
01:12:24,359 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a picture of him in that same position.

1272
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:29,520
I'm gonna capture a picture of him because he loved

1273
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:31,359
to do it. I just have to throw my arm up,

1274
01:12:31,399 --> 01:12:33,000
and he loved to play. He'll stand up on his

1275
01:12:33,119 --> 01:12:35,640
high leg and throw his arm up at the truth

1276
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:37,680
front piles across me and hold his head down and

1277
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:39,520
just look at me. And then I would just say, yeah,

1278
01:12:40,119 --> 01:12:42,239
you know, I'll go back and if I can catch

1279
01:12:42,279 --> 01:12:45,640
I'll have my son catch that picture. I'll send it

1280
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:50,000
to you and just make and then draw that up

1281
01:12:50,279 --> 01:12:52,399
one hundred times bigger. That's what I saw.

1282
01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:55,920
Speaker 2: Well, that'll be the money shot. I sure hope you

1283
01:12:56,039 --> 01:12:58,680
can get it. And yeah, like I told you, thank

1284
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:00,439
you so much for your time for coming on and

1285
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:03,600
telling us all about that experience. And of course I'm

1286
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:05,520
looking forward to having you come back for part two.

1287
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm looking forward to it myself.

1288
01:13:09,319 --> 01:13:11,800
Speaker 2: All right, great, well, yeah, thanks again so much for

1289
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:13,960
your time in. I'll talk to you next week