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Speaker 1: It is the Big twelve sec breakdown time of Joel

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taptain Bridge is here with you with our comprehensive book

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around that, both the Big twelve and the FVC. We

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begin as we do each and every week, with our

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hot takes. Tom. I'll start with you, which direction do

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you want to go this week?

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Speaker 2: Jones? I'm gonna I'm gonna dilly dally between.

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Speaker 1: The two here, okay.

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Speaker 2: O, you you know they I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I think I sent the link to the to the

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group chat, but there was like an OU blogger that

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was like ready trying to get fans to fight the

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team after the South Carolina game.

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Speaker 2: Uh, And I thought that was pretty funny.

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Speaker 3: Because I've i've i've I haven't wanted to fight the

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OSU team, but I haven't wanted to fight the coaches.

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Speaker 2: More on that in a minute.

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Speaker 3: But so, oh, you goes out they like, what, don't

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score a touchdown for seven eight quarters? Something like that? Yeah,

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And you know what I hate is it pains me

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to say this. And you know what I like about OU?

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They they are they they aren't very tolerant to any bullshit.

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Speaker 2: And what do they do?

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Speaker 3: They get beat by a great Texas team, who then

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went on to lose to Georgia. But and then they

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get shellac by the game Cocks. They literally got slapped

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by the Cocks. And after the game there was some rumors.

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There was rumors after the Texas game and they said,

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you know what, we've had enough of you South the trail.

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We are done here. This is ou this is not

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we don't play like this. We're not gonna stand before it,

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damn it, and we're gonna fire your ass.

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Speaker 2: And they did, and they did. And you know, I

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don't know who took over. Who's the play caller now?

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I don't know any.

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Speaker 3: Who John Finley is now, oh there, you know, so

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you give somebody else a chance. You obviously you see

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something that's not working. You're getting you're getting slapped in

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the in the mouth a couple weeks in a row,

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and then you do something about it, turn it over.

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Oklahoma Stak comes off of bye plays Friday Night Provo

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pretty spooky BYU slapped around K State in Provo b

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Yu's undefeated. Oklahoma Stak goes in the air after losing,

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however many and does not look good.

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Speaker 2: At all.

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Speaker 3: I don't think any of the fans were ready for

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what Oklahoma State ended up doing.

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Speaker 2: Right. I was very shocked.

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Speaker 3: They kept that game close, they had a shot to

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win and then blew it with a minute eleven to

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go and let the byj go down the field on them.

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I couldn't believe well, I could believe it. I sat

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there at two almost two in the morning, and Raleigh

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drunk on a couch and said to the person I

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was watching with as she was excited, She's like, Ohlahoma

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State's gonna win. Oh my god, they're gonna win. I said, no, no, no, no,

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no no. I said, there's still a minute eleven. I've

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seen it happen before. You just wait.

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Speaker 2: And then the.

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Speaker 3: Defense times yeah. And even Billy texts me. He goes,

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I'm ready to be hurt. As soon as issues scored

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to take the lead. Friend of the show, Billy Locke

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texts me and he doesn't. If you guys don't know,

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listen and Billy our friend. Billy, he'd he could probably

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count on his on one hand how many times he

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stayed up past midnight in the past year. So this

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is big, and he said he was. I talked to

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him previously. He said, I'm planning on go to bed

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before halftime because I think b Yu is gonna win

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by like twenty eight. And I thought so too. I

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was out drinking and partying and Raleigh having a good time.

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I wasn't too concerned. And then I saw the score

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and I said, well, I'm gonna tune in. And you know,

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Oklahoma State fans have complained both about Casey Down, the

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offensive coordinator, and they've complained about Brian Nardo, the defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 2: In case he done.

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Speaker 3: You know, by god, he had something going out of

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the bye week. It seemed like or they went to

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the second string quarterback, Garrett ring Gel, and you know what,

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he looked pretty damn good before he got injured. Then

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you here comes Bowman back in and I could almost

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hear the the side despair from the Oklahoma State fans

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in Raleigh. I mean I could hear it all clear

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across the country.

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Speaker 2: Ah shit. And he played pretty good.

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Speaker 3: He came in, kept him alive, got the go ahead touchdown,

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you know, and I'm like, okay, well we have life here.

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We're gonna beat the Mormons, you know. And if it's

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not the offensive coordinator one, we guess what it's gonna

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be Nardo. There's gotta be changed in Oklahoma State that

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that whole rigamarole. As much as it pains me to say,

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be more like, oh you, oh you leaves the conference,

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Texas leaves the conference, you gotta be We're like, oh,

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we're new big man in town. We're gonna be running

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the mother fucker here. Guess what you're not? Then they're

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not doing it. And it's like, if you want to

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be good, like oh you, you have to act like

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oh you. You can't be tolerant of bullshit. And that's

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what I've said it before. Mike Gundy's running the damn

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good old boys Club. Somebody's got to get their ass fired.

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Oh you didn't tolerate stuff, the trails bullshit.

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Speaker 2: But for two and a half weeks they fired his ass.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're playing in the SEC much harder schedule

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than the issue comes in here, and Gundhy just pitters

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patterns around his same old bullshit coaching like it's you know,

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we got to go back to the drawing board and

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we're gonna look at some things this week, and no,

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fuck that fire somebody.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, and I think too that Brent Vnables knows that

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his job is now on the line too. That it's

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not just the coordinators of making changes, but also pressure's

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not him because if they have another performance or two

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like they did against South Carolina, then it might be

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time to cut bait. Now if you're owe you potentially

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and say by to print fennibles, that's a that's a

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real reality at this point. And I think if you're

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Mike Gundhy, he's had such great job security, he's the

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second longest tenured coach in college football, only behind Kurt Ferrence.

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That you know, you get a little too comfortable at

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times and sometimes.

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Speaker 2: You gotta be them, and.

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Speaker 4: I think that's why he has been inept to make

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changes in the way they've been doing things.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I think I think you raise a good

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Speaker 4: I'm going to go I'm gonna go to Alabama for

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my hot take this week, and Tom, I'll say this

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a team that has not played great as of late.

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You know, after the Georgia win, they lose to Vandy, shocker,

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they didn't play good against South Carolina, and then they

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lose to Tennessee and what was just I know it

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was a close game, but it wasn't a good game.

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Speaker 1: That was ugly gross football.

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Speaker 2: Team.

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Speaker 1: They should have won too, like they were.

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Speaker 4: They had every opportunity to win that game, but they

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let that one slip away. And Alabama fans such a

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spoiled fan base, Tom, of you know what they got

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from Nick Saban and just all the success they've had

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for all these years and everything, and they're asking themselves,

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you know, is Kaylen de Boor not the guys either wrong?

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Higher you know, what the hell is going on right

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now and all this And my my my thing I

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would say, Tom, is that my hot take is that

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Kaylen de Boor isn't doing anything wrong necessarily. I think

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that as I warned you all before the season began,

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this is a team that lost what was it close

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to forty players to the transfer portal or to graduation

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or to the NFL that you know, there was big

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changes going in even even when you talk about the

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staff at Alabama. Caitlin de Boor comes in and he

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thought he was going to have Ryan Grubb as his

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offensive coordinator, and two weeks later after taking the job,

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Ryan Grubb all of a sudden says, you know what, actually,

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I'm not even leaving Seattle. I'm gonna go be the Seahawks,

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O see, and he had to find another offensive coordinator

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on the fly after the market had already changed, and

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you know, like it was a much harder situation to

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walk into than people realized. And I said that at

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the time that you know, Caylen de Boor has got

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to do his own thing. And the Georgia winn I

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think was a big deal. And I know they haven't

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played great yet, but I would just tell Alabama fans

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be patient, give this thing time. Caylen de Boor has

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been a winner everywhere he's been and it's just going

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to take some adjusting that this is not going to

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be overnight. He's not Nick Saban, nobody's Nick Saban. Kirby

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Speaker 1: Just be patient.

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Speaker 4: I think I think Caitlin's gonna do a good job,

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but this is not gonna be overnight. And you know,

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Nick Saban only won six games his first year there

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at Alabama himself, So I don't think they're a playoff team.

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I think they're out of the playoff picture at this

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point already. They've lost two games. I predicted at the

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beginning of the year that they would lose four games.

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I said they go eight and four. I think that's

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looking more likely now at this point, But that would

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be my hot take is be patient with Kleb de

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bor that, yeah, they're not as good as what most

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people thought, but I think they're actually where they they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think you're right.

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Speaker 3: And I remember you saying at the beginning of the

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season that you said, well, don't you know, any Alabama fans,

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it's not going to be puppies and roses coming out

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atmosphere and the Reddit and from all the blogs and stuff,

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just reading fans comments and things, it seems like their

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expectation was tempered down a little bit. You go out

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and you know, you do beat Georgia, and at first

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it looked like they were just gonna bend Georgia over

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and it was gonna be an all time ass whoop.

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Georgia ends up coming back. Still probably the best game

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of the season, still far in my opinion as a

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neutral fan, But do you do that, the hype gets

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real big. Then you're like, wow, we just we just

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took it to Georgia and yeah, they did come back,

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but we pulled it out and we're riding high on

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the hog again. We are not taking any steps back.

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Kaylen de Boris is the second coming of Nick Saban

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Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 2: We are here for it.

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Speaker 3: And then you go to Nashville and then you lose

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the Vanderbilt and you're thinking, oh god, the next game.

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I remember after that loss, he said we're gonna love

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We're gonna know what Kaylyn de Bores made of I

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remember you saying that. I said, we're gonna see how

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this team responds. They win was not very convincingly, I

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believe was South Carolina.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they did not do so hot. They still won.

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Still wasn't really that good.

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Speaker 3: Then you go play Tennessee where what they beat them

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last year, but the year before Tennessee wins that game,

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they take down the goal post and put it in

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the river, and you know, almost like a scene two

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years later for Vanderbilt, same state, Phil goldpost goes in

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the river. You go get beat by Tennessee again, after

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how many times were they won like nine straight, ten

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Speaker 2: Prior to two years ago.

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Speaker 3: Right, so you're thinking, oh no, back to your point

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of Alabama so spoiled. Oh no, the world's crashing down,

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it's time to fire de boor Or. Back to the

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ship house before sab and we're going, we're regressing. It's

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not the end of the world, Alabama. I would I

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would kill for my gunny to get fired and take

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Kaylen de Boro right now.

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Speaker 4: I think ou and OSU fans both right now, would

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take Caitlin de Boor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would.

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Speaker 3: I'd take his firstborn sons and take a future on

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his first board.

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Speaker 2: So I'm like, all right, well, want to get some age,

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Speaker 4: And you know, there's a crowd of people that have

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also said, did Kaitlin de Boor make a mistake leaving

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Washington for Alabama?

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Speaker 1: Like I wouldn't. I wouldn't even say that, Tom.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Washington was losing so much with Michael Pennox

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and Roma Doonsday and Polk, And I mean that roster

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was gonna be much different this year, whether Caitlyn de

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Bor was there or not. If if he was gonna

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go leave, he left Washington at the right time, got

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more money, got a better roster even with everything that

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he lost, and you know, gets to be you know,

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one of the blue blood programs and everything. Like, I

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think that Kaylen de Bor is doing just fine. And

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I don't think he made a mistake leaving Washington either.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't think so either. I mean, you get

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a chance to you know, go essentially go be great.

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like they did it Wash, it available in twenty years.

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Speaker 4: What they did at Washington last year, Tom, I think

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that's like the best Washington Washington can do.

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Speaker 1: And that's great. Like, there's how many programs would love.

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Speaker 4: To compete for the chance to go undefeated and go compete.

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Speaker 1: For a national title. I mean, that was a great

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accomplishment for Washington.

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Speaker 4: But that's about as good as it gets. It's hard

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to imagine Washington win national titles. Kaitlyn de Bor can

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win multiple national titles at Alabama. You can't say the

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same thing at Washington.

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Speaker 3: Right, I mean, yeah, of course, it's like it's a

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I don't know if it's his dream to go co

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Chilabama by any means, but you know, you've got to

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seize the moment and and take it if it's offered.

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Speaker 2: You'd be almost stupid not to.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, I think, you know, I think that Georgia

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game really skewed the expectation. I think before that game,

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I think they were like, you know, we'll learn and

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grow with him. As long as he doesn't miss a

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bowl game or something in the first year, or you know,

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as long as we don't let the whole bottom fall out,

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will be will be fine. I mean you that's what's

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expected to someone happened when you lose a coach like

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Saban And even if that's ever even been done before.

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I mean, that's you're losing what the greatest coach potentially

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of all time.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna have to temper your expectation down a little bit.

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And and you.

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Speaker 3: Know, I they might go eight and for they you know,

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I'm I think that Alabama OU game is increasingly more interesting.

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Speaker 4: Especially since OU should be, in theory a lot healthier

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by the time they play that game than they are

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right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's gonna be something.

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Speaker 1: You OU's at home too. Yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 4: That that to me, that game is more intriguing than

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than probably it would have been a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: Ago, potentially speaking, but we'll see there.

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Speaker 4: Let's talk Colorado here, Tom, the Buffalo's here. They are

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one win away from clinching a bowl game, and I

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feel like it's twofold Tom. Two things can be true

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with Colorado here. They are headed in the right direction.

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Dion will give him his flowers. He's doing a good job.

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I thought last week was a great win for them

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at Arizona the Domino. The way they did their defense

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is much improved. Their offensive line as much improved. Shador's

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taking care of the football. Travis Hunter looks like the

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Heisman favorite. I think they are head of the right direction.

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But the flip side of that is they haven't won

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a big twelve game yet against a team with a

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winning record in league play at this point. Now, you

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play Cincinnati this week. I know Cincinnati's five and two

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and they're a bit of a surprise, but I'm not

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a believer in Cincinnati. Here, you look at the next

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few weeks. Colorado plays Tech, they play Utah at home,

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which I think looks like a much more winnable game.

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Now they play Kansas on the road, and if they

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keep up this momentum in the hype, there might be

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more Colorado fans that Arrowhead than Kansas fans potentially speaking.

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And then you play Oklahoma State at home here to

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finish out. They only have one conference loss. At this point,

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there is a very real chance for Colorado to be

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in Arlington playing for the Big Twelve championship game. And

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that is not something I thought I would be saying

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at all at this point of the year at the

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beginning of the season. Credit where credits do? I've been

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impressed Deon's figuring out. But let's let's see how they

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do with this test against Cincinnati this week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know in Cincinnati what they just relaxed on

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Arizona State. Yeah, and I was singing Arizona State's praises

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like a songbird, and then they almost started they starting

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to let me down like UCF did earlier. Maybe I

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need to sing the praises of Colorado to put a

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reverse hex curse on him or something. You know, we

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talked about Colorado in this season. Neither of us wanted

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Colorado to be as good as they are, just as

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a out you know, they were kind of an outsider.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, they it's like that.

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Speaker 3: It's like the ex girlfriend that comes back and she

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wants to sleep with you again, and you're like, damn it,

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I guess so I guess we'll all well, all guess

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I'll do it once. And then she keeps coming back,

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and that's what Colorado is doing. It's like no, like no,

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we didn't want want Dion in Arlington. That was not

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how this is supposed to play out.

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Speaker 4: And we were people like Joel Klatt that told us

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at the beginning of the year, watch out, Colorado's got

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a chance to win the Big Twelve. And I'm like,

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all right, Joel, you're just being a homer. You went

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to Colorado, you love Dion and everything, and it's good

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for Fox if Colorado's a good team.

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Speaker 1: But now I got to see it here be like,

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you know what, Yep, that's uh hate the ad minute.

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That's a good football team.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's I mean, they've got circle jerks so much.

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Imagine the circle jerk that would happen if they won

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the Big Twelve, get.

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Speaker 2: A top four spot in the playoff. Oh oh my god,

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I have to vomit, you know.

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Speaker 3: And it's here's the interesting thing here, Jones Here's how

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I thought it was gonna play out. Here's my crystal ball,

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and I want to know your crystal ball.

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Speaker 2: Here. At the beginning of the season.

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Speaker 3: I thought Colorado is going to struggle to make a

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Bowl game. Dion is going to pack up shop after

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the season, and he's gonna go wherever sun those Uh,

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he's gonna He's gonna.

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Speaker 2: Follow like a LeVar bar LeVar Ball type.

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Speaker 3: Character and get on the staff of probably wherever Shador goes,

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or somehow be an influencer to whatever NFL team he

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lands on. Travis Hunter, his honorary son, will also be gone.

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It was just a fun little experiment there and Boulder.

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He's gonna pack up shop and leave now, I'm not

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so sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Because I haven't looked at the recruiting numbers, but we

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know the man can bring in talent, Like even with

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the guys they'll lose after this year, if he stays,

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they'll bring in more players. They they've they've got something

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established there. And you also have to think that if

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they keep on winning, then there's gonna be some other

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job openings that are gonna be very interested in Dionne

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next offseason. And you know, I wouldn't even possibly even

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rule out the NFL potentially. You know, his former team,

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the Dallas Cowboys, are gonna be looking for a head coach,

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and Jerry loves him some don I don't think that

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would happen, But never say never, Like it's started to

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turn a corner here, Like they are we compared them

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to the La Lakers for a long time that hey,

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they're not a serious team. It's all glitz and glamour.

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They're not serious about winning. They win this week, then

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then we can admit we're wrong and put an end

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to that discussion.

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Speaker 3: Oh gosh, I might be eating the Skyline Chile this week,

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just just for some good vibes. I don't mean, it's

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not like if they didn't circle jerk Colorado like they did,

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I wouldn't even be rooting against Colorado per se. It's

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just the media that the media circle jerk.

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Speaker 1: Then the stuff they brought on themselves too.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's both. It's not just the media, it's how

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they went about this. They turned me off on Colorado.

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Speaker 3: Is it supposedly the locker rooms like GTA like just

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just crazy there, And I'm just like, okay, I've had

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enough of the bullshit, like and now they're winning, and

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now I'm like, oh no, this is the worst timeline.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I'm with you.

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Speaker 4: One more thing before we get to the big twelve

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SEC slate of games for this week, Texas loses. This

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past week's Georgia got shellacked, lost by double digits at home.

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They looked awful on the offensive and defensive line, just

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got bullied at the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 1: Quinn didn't play well. Arch didn't play well.

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Speaker 4: But even with that said, Tom like, I've seen enough

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good out of Texas where I'm sitting here saying, yeah,

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that's one bad night, and this new playoff format, you

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can afford to have one bad night. That doesn't end

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your season. I still think Texas can win the SEC.

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They can still win the national championship for that matter.

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They have work to do. They had some of their

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weaknesses exposed, But I don't think that's the end of

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the world. What we saw from this Texas team on

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Saturday night. I think at the end of the day,

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that was one bad night. That probably is the wake

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up call that team needed after it kind of got

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to their heads a little bit the last few weeks.

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With the way that everybody had been hyping them up.

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Speaker 3: Well yeah, and I wouldn't even call it a I

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don't want to call it a hangover game. You know,

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you go in and you beat up on Ou pretty good.

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We all thought they were going to beat OU, honestly,

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but I think Texas probably did too. But I mean,

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you hold Oe, you to a field goal, and you

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walk out of the Red River shootout feeling real good

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about yourself, thinking we're a bunch of backs asses.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna go take it to Georgia. You know.

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Speaker 3: Meanwhile, Kirby's sparts plot in your downfall and you you

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probably get embarrassed in dk R, honestly, And that's that's

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what happened. And so I think now I think Starks

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good enough of coach that I think Texas is gonna

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bounce back.

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Speaker 2: I think they'll be just fine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. I think so. All right, let's

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go over this light of games.

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Speaker 4: We'll rapid fire here real quick, starting with the Big

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Twelve slate no Friday games to the Big Twelve this week. Sadly,

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I've liked this new Friday night football we've seen on

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ESPN and Fox and all that, so that's unfortunate. But

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we begin the day with b YU and UCF. That

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game is taking place in Orlando. Tom, you seef gave

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Iowa State quite the scare last week. Now BYU coming

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off a come back win against Oklahoma State themselves going

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on the road here. I think BYU is gonna be fine.

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I don't think UCF can do that two weeks in

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a row. But I don't think b YU is going

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to play two close games two weeks in a row.

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I think that they they put their foot down this week.

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Speaker 2: I think so. I think you're right. I don't. I

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don't think that.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that that b YU is gonna let

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this slip away. I will say is and I know

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it's gonna be coming up soon if it hasn't already passed.

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Maybe when is UCF's space game.

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Speaker 1: I don't know exactly.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna look that up, because if it's the space

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game this week, I'm taking.

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Speaker 2: I'm riding UCF.

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Speaker 1: That's all it takes to convince Tom's just get space.

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Speaker 2: It's a spooky game, Oklahoma.

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Speaker 1: State taking on Baylor. I know OSU lost.

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Speaker 4: I don't believe in moral victories and all that, but

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one thing I did like for what I saw from

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OSU last week Tom was their ability to finally run

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the football. The offensive line looked the best they looked

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all year. Ali was fantastic. I don't think Baylor's very good.

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I know Baylor's favored by seven, but if OSU runs

473
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the football like they did last.

474
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Speaker 1: Week, then I think they beat Baylor.

475
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Speaker 4: I like OSU as an underdog to go into Waco

476
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get the job done.

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Speaker 3: You know what, I've been down on them. They did

478
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surprise me last week. I hope they've made the correct

479
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changes on defense. I hope they can keep it up

480
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on offense. Set they might not win, but I think

481
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I like Astrue enough to at least cover seven. That

482
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seems like a That seems like one of those Vegas

483
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things that they throw in there to see if you'll

484
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put money down on Baylor since Osh was lost four straight, I.

485
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Speaker 2: Think you could win that game.

486
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Speaker 3: Meanwhile, real quick, UCF Space game is next week against Arizona,

487
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So the Mormons are safe.

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Speaker 2: All right.

489
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Speaker 4: Texas taking on TCU. TCU favored by six and a half.

490
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Speaker 1: Rivalry game.

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Speaker 4: TCU's four and three, Tech is five and two and

492
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TECH with a sneaky good chance to make the Big

493
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twelve championship game.

494
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Speaker 1: This is a must win for them. Their offenses looked

495
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pretty good.

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Speaker 4: I like, I like Tech here, even though they're six

497
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and a half point underdog here, Tom, I think Tech

498
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gets it done on the road.

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Speaker 2: I like Tech too.

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Speaker 3: You know, they came out, had some trouble in the

501
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beginning of the season, and they've I feel like they've

502
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gotten a little bit better every week.

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Speaker 2: I like Tech here too.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and uh TCU coming off a thirteen to seven

505
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win over Utah last week. West Virginia taken on Arizona.

506
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I was on our buddy TJ. Reeves is a bit

507
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twelve game day show on tune In, talking about this

508
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it'll be it'll air on a Saturday morning, and I said,

509
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for me, Tom, like, I think there's a talent advantage

510
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for Arizona here with with uh Fafita and t Mac,

511
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But also I think there's a coaching advantage too. I

512
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know that this season hasn't gone Arizona's way, but I

513
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still like Brennan a whole lot more than I do

514
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Neil Brown, and I think that hot seat is as

515
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hot as ever right now for Neil Brown, I like

516
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Arizona at home.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I like Arizona too. If it was at Morgantown,

518
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it was that West Virginia, I'd be a little spookier.

519
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But I think Arizona should take care of business.

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Speaker 4: Utah on a three game skid taking on Houston. If

521
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Utah was looking for a get right game, this is

522
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it right here. Utah's favored by four and a half.

523
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If Utah could just figure anything out, there's no reason

524
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why this game should be close if they played at

525
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all close to their potential here, Tom.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it shouldn't be.

527
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Speaker 3: But I mean they're kind of in a slide that

528
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Oklahoma State has been in.

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Speaker 2: Just after that OSU Utah game, both teams have just

530
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looked horrible.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think so KU and k State in

532
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the Sunflower Showdown. KU finally wins a conference game last week.

533
00:28:08,599 --> 00:28:11,880
Jayalen Daniels looked good, the run game was good, the

534
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,160
defense was much improved. But you take it with a

535
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grain of AsSalt. They did against a very bad Houston team.

536
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K State sitting at six and one, they're a contender

537
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to win the Big Twelve, trying to get to Arlington

538
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and everything. They're coming off a dominating win on the

539
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road against West Virginia last week in prime time, Tom,

540
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I think that KU has a shot here. I think

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they can make this game interesting. And we've seen the

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last few years, even when KU has been bad, they've

543
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made this very competitive. But they have not won this

544
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game since George W. Bush was president. The IPA was

545
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not invented the last time Kansas won this game.

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Speaker 1: I don't think this is the year the streak ends.

547
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Speaker 4: But K State at home, I think K State's still

548
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,200
gonna have to play their best effort. I think KU

549
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is this is as much as it pains me to

550
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,119
say this is their super Bowl, you know, like, Kay,

551
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,519
who's gonna put your awkward here this week? I think

552
00:29:11,599 --> 00:29:13,359
K State wins, but I think it's a close one.

553
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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the line on the game?

554
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Speaker 1: Ky State by ten?

555
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Speaker 3: I could see kase State. That's about what I would assume. Yeah,

556
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that makes sense. I like K State here, But I

557
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you know, maybe, like you said, KU super Bowl here,

558
00:29:32,519 --> 00:29:35,440
you know, maybe they catch K State slipping.

559
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Speaker 2: Could could happen. I don't see it happening though.

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Speaker 4: And then we talked about Cincinnati Colorado earlier. Both you

561
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and I like Colorado to win that game there. Meanwhile,

562
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in the SEC, Old Miss taking on Oklahoma. Old Miss

563
00:29:49,599 --> 00:29:54,160
twenty point favorites. Oklahoma's got a new OC and Joe

564
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,440
John Finley, I would think that Jackson Arnold's back in

565
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the starting lineup. I haven't heard that confirmed or not yet.

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But you know, Blane Kiffin, they're not taking this Oklahoma

567
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:11,759
team lightly. He said this Ou teams unpredictably as a threat.

568
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,279
He says that they cannot take this Oklahoma team lightly

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by any stretch. And we just don't know what Oklahoma

570
00:30:18,559 --> 00:30:20,240
team's going to show up. Honestly, we don't know what

571
00:30:20,359 --> 00:30:22,359
Old Miss team is going to show up. They've very

572
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much underperformed this year.

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Speaker 1: I like Ole Miss here, but eleven AM game, we

574
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don't know who either one of these teams are.

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Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be very important to see who

576
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comes out of the gates firing, because both these teams

577
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have actually been known to get off the slow starts.

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00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,920
Old Miss should win, but if O you can find

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a way to get anything going at in the first half,

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they could make it interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I like Old Miss here, I don't

583
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like them by twenty I think Joe John Finley calling

584
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the game is a wild card. Uh, you don't really.

585
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We don't know where we're really gonna get yet. And

586
00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:02,920
a lot of times football teams, you see it all

587
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,440
the time, they'll fire coach, be it head coach or

588
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,880
oc DC, whatever, and then that group comes out and

589
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,839
just like a fire has been let under their ass.

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Speaker 2: And I could see that happening.

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Speaker 4: Arkansas taking on Mississippi State. Arkansas is seven point favorite

592
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on the road. Sam Pittman every week he's fighting for

593
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his job at this point.

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Speaker 1: He can't be losing games like Mississippi State. They should win.

595
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Speaker 4: But if if they lose this one, then we might

596
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be getting closer to be singing sinar out to Sam

597
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Pittman here.

598
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I might have to if they lose to Mississippi State,

599
00:31:44,359 --> 00:31:45,960
I'm all have to pour out of old cold beer

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for him because he probably won't make it.

601
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Speaker 2: I mean, he is he is the Arkansas Neil Brown.

602
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he is. Missoo taking out Alabama at home.

603
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Speaker 4: They're in Tuscalosa, Alabama, seventeen and a half point favorites.

604
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Speaker 1: Miszoo.

605
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Speaker 4: I haven't been impressed with I thought they looked bad

606
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,880
last week against Auburn obviously, the A and M loss

607
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,000
was awful for them.

608
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Speaker 1: We talked about Alabama earlier here.

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Speaker 4: Seventeen and a half feels like a lot here, Tom,

610
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but I think that Alabama wins, Maybe not by seventeen

611
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:18,960
and a half though.

612
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not miszoo. I think a bunch of frauds.

613
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We talked about Bama.

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Speaker 2: I don't.

615
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Speaker 3: I wouldn't call Bama frauds. I think it's just how

616
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it is with the new head coach. I like Bama.

617
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Speaker 1: Here, Texas taken out Vandy.

618
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Speaker 4: Vandy one of the surprise stories in college football this year.

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They're a top twenty five team, They're at home Texas

620
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coming off a loss, and Texas favored by ten and

621
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a half. I think the thing or not ten and

622
00:32:46,319 --> 00:32:48,440
a half, eighteen and a half, the thing that makes

623
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this game unpredictable Tom is the best quarterback in this

624
00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:57,359
game plays for Vanderbilt in uh Pavilla, who's been phenomenal

625
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:02,319
this season, leading the team in passing and rushing. If

626
00:33:02,359 --> 00:33:05,960
Pavia could play well, Vandy could make this interesting. Texas

627
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,680
more talented team. Texas should win, but let's see how

628
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,119
Texas responds after getting hit in the mouth last week.

629
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Speaker 2: I think Sark will have this team ready to play.

630
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I don't. I think I think.

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Speaker 3: Texas will be pissed off at themselves for playing like

632
00:33:20,359 --> 00:33:23,039
they did. I like to see or I would like

633
00:33:23,079 --> 00:33:25,440
to see Vandy win this, but I think I think

634
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Texas will end up coming on top.

635
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,319
Speaker 4: The game of the week at college football this week

636
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LSU taking out Texas and M both teams at six

637
00:33:33,759 --> 00:33:36,640
and one trying to stay alive in the SEC race.

638
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: A and M's at home.

639
00:33:38,079 --> 00:33:42,759
Speaker 4: They're favored by one tom I think the LSU lost

640
00:33:42,759 --> 00:33:45,960
to usc As. Every week passes looks more and more

641
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,680
like a fluke. Brian Kelly doesn't do well in week

642
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,640
one games. We've seen that, and USC is falling apart.

643
00:33:52,759 --> 00:33:54,799
LSU's gotten better as the season's going along.

644
00:33:55,359 --> 00:33:55,839
Speaker 1: A and M.

645
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Speaker 4: I've been very surprised with credit where credits do. But

646
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I like what I've seen from nus Meyer. They're opening

647
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,880
up the passing game more. The defense is improved from

648
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a year ago.

649
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Speaker 1: I think LSU finds a way to get it done

650
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on the road here.

651
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 2: I think so too. They did.

652
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Speaker 3: I called it against Old Miss I thought they would

653
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,320
beat them, and they did. That was in Death Valley

654
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,360
at home, you do go to Kyle Field. I think

655
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ness Meyer has provided a little bit of bulletin board material.

656
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I think there has been comments made this week that

657
00:34:25,079 --> 00:34:27,920
something about Kyle Field not being that loud or that's

658
00:34:28,039 --> 00:34:33,679
it's not then intimidating, So be one to watch. I

659
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know I'll be tuning in for that.

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Speaker 4: I like the Tigers all right, and then Auburn Kentucky

661
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:43,880
also good on on Saturday. Kentucky at three and four,

662
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,199
Auburn at two and five. I think Kentucky should be

663
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:48,679
able to win at home. I think they're a better

664
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team and that Kentucky defense is gonna keep them in

665
00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:54,559
games all season, so we'll see how that goes.

666
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Speaker 1: There you have it.

667
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Speaker 4: That's our Big twelve SEC Breakdown four this week. Coming

668
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:03,159
up next, Matt Simmicks to join us as we will

669
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get his perspective on all things college football here on

670
00:35:05,559 --> 00:35:10,960
the other side. He's covered college football since two thousand

671
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:15,039
and one and currently is working for Trojan Wire talking

672
00:35:15,079 --> 00:35:18,320
all things USC and the Big Ten. It is our

673
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,920
friend Matt Simmick who's back on the program once again.

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Speaker 1: Matt always pleasure in the time we get the chance

675
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:24,079
to chat my friend, how.

676
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Speaker 5: We doing you know, I'm doing okay, but USC football

677
00:35:28,119 --> 00:35:31,000
is definitely not. So I'm sure that you know your

678
00:35:31,039 --> 00:35:34,159
listeners in the in the Central Plains region of the

679
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,320
United States, they are they are gleeful about what's happening

680
00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:38,360
with Lincoln Rowdy.

681
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Speaker 6: So I'm sure we're going to do a little adutopsy here.

682
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 4: Oh yes, we figured that we would need to do

683
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,800
a little check in on our old friend out west,

684
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,239
and you were the right man to do this. As

685
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,599
much as Oklahoma is struggling right now, at least USC

686
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,920
is not doing so hot themselves with the way that

687
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,559
they've been playing. And I was there, Matt for the

688
00:36:00,639 --> 00:36:04,639
opening game against LSU in Vegas, and I mean, what

689
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,760
has happened to this USC team since then?

690
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,119
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's really fascinating to see LSU improve since then,

691
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,000
USC deteriorate since then.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And isn't it fascinating.

693
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Speaker 5: Tyler, just on a broader level that the problems that

694
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Lincoln Riley had with USC last year, with Alex Grinch,

695
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:27,679
Oklahoma and Brent Venables are having this year on the

696
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,599
offensive side of the ball, It's like a mirror universe

697
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:35,760
USC defense Oklahoma offense. And yet the strange part is

698
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,519
USC's defense is better. It's not great, but like it's

699
00:36:39,519 --> 00:36:42,119
still miles better than Alex Grinch because the ball the

700
00:36:42,159 --> 00:36:45,760
bar was set so low. But even though the defense

701
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,440
is better, team's not winning. And it gets to the

702
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,360
heart of the matter at USC. Here's the deal, Tyler.

703
00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:56,000
You know, Caleb Williams could make plays by himself when

704
00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:00,719
things broke down, like he could overcome the shortcomings elsewhere

705
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,159
on a roster. Now that didn't entirely manifest itself last season,

706
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,320
but of course you had the terrible defense, right If

707
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:12,320
you had this defense with last year's USC, tropans will

708
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probably be in pretty good shape. They wouldn't be a

709
00:37:14,159 --> 00:37:15,760
great team, but they would have been a good team.

710
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,559
They probably would have been a nine win team, maybe ten,

711
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,000
you know, because like we remember Kayla Wiams losing fifty

712
00:37:22,039 --> 00:37:24,440
two to forty two to Washington. He lost some other

713
00:37:24,519 --> 00:37:29,360
shootouts against Utah and some other teams. And if we

714
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,519
had the this year's USC defense on last year's team

715
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:38,000
with Caleb Williams probably gets to nine or ten wins.

716
00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:42,239
And so the miscalculation that Lincoln Riley has made at.

717
00:37:42,199 --> 00:37:43,639
Speaker 6: USC is all right.

718
00:37:44,039 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 5: I have Miller Moss and hey, Miller Moss is not

719
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,039
a bad quarterback. But he's not Caleb Williams. He's not

720
00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:52,679
Baker Mayfield. He's not Kyler Murray, he's not Jalen Hurts.

721
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:57,559
He is not one could reasonably say a superman quarterback,

722
00:37:57,599 --> 00:38:00,000
you know that, the dual threat guy who can transcend

723
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,639
and all sorts of situations, who can make really dynamic

724
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,239
plus plays that most other quarterbacks can't do. It's not

725
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,480
a criticism of Milor Moss. He's just not that kind

726
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,480
of guy. And like we all knew he wasn't that

727
00:38:11,639 --> 00:38:15,559
kind of guy. And so the miscalculation Lincoln Riley made

728
00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:17,639
is all right, I have Milmer Moss. I don't have

729
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,639
calv Wims like I have Sloppy Joe. I don't have

730
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,599
chateaubriand I don't have you know, the the gourmet surloin

731
00:38:25,599 --> 00:38:28,360
t bone, you know, like that you get for fifty

732
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,360
dollars at a gourmet restaurant. I just have Sloppy Joe

733
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,599
or I have like a you know, McDonald McDonald's burger.

734
00:38:35,039 --> 00:38:37,840
Not not to insult those things, but just it's not

735
00:38:38,079 --> 00:38:42,000
top class. So if you have you know, good but

736
00:38:42,119 --> 00:38:45,320
not great at quarterback, you know, a game manager a

737
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,119
guy who's you know, supposed to just you know, make

738
00:38:47,159 --> 00:38:51,599
the checkdown and do the normal responsible thing you have.

739
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,440
You know, a good but not great quarterback, you better

740
00:38:54,519 --> 00:38:57,400
have an elite offensive line in front of him. You

741
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:02,039
better have five excellent skull crush to protect the run

742
00:39:02,119 --> 00:39:03,199
block to make the.

743
00:39:03,199 --> 00:39:04,679
Speaker 6: Whole operation go smoothly.

744
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,519
Speaker 5: And all through the off season I said this, and

745
00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:10,440
I wasn't really thinking that USC was gonna be this bad.

746
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,960
I also didn't think USC was quite at the national

747
00:39:13,039 --> 00:39:17,440
championship standard. My preseason prediction was nine to three. But

748
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,679
I said consistently, however, this season turns out, if it's

749
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,039
gonna go well, Miller Moss is gonna get a lot

750
00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:25,639
of help from his offensive line.

751
00:39:25,679 --> 00:39:26,599
Speaker 6: Like that is the key.

752
00:39:26,639 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 5: The offensive line has to help Miller Moss, has to

753
00:39:30,039 --> 00:39:33,440
make his job easier. And that offensive line has fundamentally

754
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:37,360
not done that. And so Lincoln Rilly failed to recruit

755
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,000
on the offensive line at the elite level needed to

756
00:39:41,159 --> 00:39:44,000
help a game manager quarterback, you know, a B B

757
00:39:44,159 --> 00:39:48,159
plus quarterback. If you have Caleb Williams, you don't have

758
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,159
to have the best offensive line in the world. You

759
00:39:50,159 --> 00:39:51,639
need to need a good one, but you don't need

760
00:39:51,679 --> 00:39:54,559
a great one. And so it's really that balance, Tyler.

761
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,559
If you have Caleb Williams and a good offensive line,

762
00:39:57,599 --> 00:40:00,239
you're fine. If you have Miller Moss and a great

763
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:05,320
offensive line, you're fun. USC has the good, not great quarterback,

764
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,840
and it doesn't have the great offensive line to help

765
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,760
the good quarterback maximize his talents.

766
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 6: So that's where Lincoln Riley felt fell short.

767
00:40:14,199 --> 00:40:16,559
Speaker 5: And so a lot of Oklahoma fans, quite reasonably say

768
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:21,079
Lincoln Riley has had rock star quarterbacks the whole way,

769
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,559
you know, from Baker through Caleb. Now he doesn't have

770
00:40:24,639 --> 00:40:27,880
that rock star quarterback and so it's all crashing down. Well,

771
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,760
it's all crashing down because Lincoln Riley didn't recruit on

772
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,639
the offensive line to help his quarterback. And so that

773
00:40:34,639 --> 00:40:38,639
that's sort of the thing Lincoln Riley needed to rerealize that, Hey,

774
00:40:38,679 --> 00:40:42,320
I don't have a superman quarterback this time around, I'd

775
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,079
better have the very best offensive lineman. And USC did

776
00:40:46,119 --> 00:40:50,599
not get a big, splashy, transfer portal offensive line, and

777
00:40:50,639 --> 00:40:54,039
it is struggling to get five star offensive lineman.

778
00:40:54,039 --> 00:40:56,559
Speaker 6: You know, I don't know if you noticed, but you know,

779
00:40:56,599 --> 00:40:58,119
Michigan's in a bad state too.

780
00:40:58,119 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 5: But Michigan landed a five star offense of linemen this

781
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,239
past weekend. So even though Michigan's struggling, they can get

782
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:08,239
the really big fish USC offensive line coach Josh Henson,

783
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,159
you know who memorably whiffed on Josh Connory who went

784
00:41:12,199 --> 00:41:15,079
to Oregon instead, And so Connorley is now part of

785
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,440
the number one team in the country. USC not getting

786
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,880
those five stars on the trail and not getting those

787
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,800
really big studs in the transfer portal on the offensive line,

788
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,159
that is at the heart of what's going on, because

789
00:41:27,639 --> 00:41:31,800
if you look at all these close losses Tyler to Michigan,

790
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,400
to Maryland to Minnesota, at all games that USC gave

791
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,400
up the go ahead score in the final sixty seconds,

792
00:41:38,599 --> 00:41:42,760
all right. The offensive line was part of a drive

793
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,000
late in the game where USC could have put the

794
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,400
game away. USC led Michigan by four with five minutes left,

795
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,960
could have put the game away with two first downs.

796
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,119
Offensive line got blown away on that drive. USC led

797
00:41:55,119 --> 00:41:56,320
Minnesota seventeen to ten.

798
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 6: Early fourth quarter.

799
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,559
Speaker 5: Offensive line gets blown up in pass per ten leads

800
00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:04,000
to an interception that totally changes the game. Offensive line

801
00:42:04,039 --> 00:42:06,639
never played well in the final ten minutes there and

802
00:42:06,679 --> 00:42:09,599
against Maryland, had a chance to get a first down,

803
00:42:09,679 --> 00:42:12,519
get out of town with a win. Offensive line can't

804
00:42:12,519 --> 00:42:16,280
do the job, and Lincoln Riley noticeably fails to trust

805
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,760
his offensive line on four and one, he opts for

806
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,239
a field goal and of course it gets blocked. But

807
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,719
still he didn't trust his offensive line to get one

808
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,480
yard against Maryland. So it all goes back to the

809
00:42:28,519 --> 00:42:32,360
offensive line failing in high leverage situations. I didn't even

810
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,400
mention against Penn State in overtime the offensive line gets

811
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,760
blown up by Penn State's offensive front in that overtime possession.

812
00:42:40,119 --> 00:42:44,320
So in every high leverage situation since that LSU game,

813
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,679
USC's offensive line has been a total zero.

814
00:42:47,199 --> 00:42:50,039
Speaker 4: Well and one thing, Matt, I think that has been

815
00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:52,519
a big narrative that's been thrown out there. USC and

816
00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:56,719
Oklahoma had very similar circumstances in this sense that the

817
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,440
question was is USC Big ten ready?

818
00:42:59,639 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: Is you SEC ready?

819
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 4: And the problems I'm seeing with both these teams, it

820
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,920
doesn't matter if they're playing the Big ten, the SEC,

821
00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:11,480
the Pac twelve, or the Big twelve. This has nothing

822
00:43:11,519 --> 00:43:13,119
to do with the conference that they're in. This has

823
00:43:13,159 --> 00:43:16,039
to do with the talent level and the coaching going on.

824
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,320
It doesn't matter what the conference is. These are much

825
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,800
bigger issues than adapting to a new league.

826
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 5: Here, oh, one thousand percent, thank you for saying that. Like,

827
00:43:26,559 --> 00:43:28,880
it's not as though the Big Ten is teaching USC

828
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:29,400
a lesson.

829
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,599
Speaker 6: USC sucks. That's the lesson, that's the takeaway.

830
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: It would be struggling in the PAC twelve right now too.

831
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 5: That's right, exactly like you think they'd be beating Oregon.

832
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 6: You think they'd be beating you know, some of these

833
00:43:39,559 --> 00:43:41,440
upper tier teams. No chance, no way.

834
00:43:41,639 --> 00:43:44,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you, thank you. That's not as though it's

835
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,280
the Big Ten. It's USC not being good. I mean,

836
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,920
you know you cover the Big twelve a lot in

837
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:52,920
your line of work, right, It's not as though the

838
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,840
Big twelve is a tougher league than what Utah faced

839
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,760
in the PAC twelve. The past few seasons you tied

840
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,920
in the just at quarterback, Utah didn't have a backup

841
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,000
ready to fill in for cam Rising. That's why Utah's struggling.

842
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,079
It's not because Kyle Whittinghams forgot how to be a

843
00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:11,960
good coach. They didn't get a really good portal backup

844
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:13,280
for Cam Rising.

845
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 6: They got caught short handed.

846
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 5: You know, you look at some of the other teams

847
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,000
in the country, you know they have a good backup

848
00:44:19,599 --> 00:44:21,639
ready to play. You know, the guys are able to

849
00:44:21,679 --> 00:44:25,679
step in fill in at quarterback. They don't miss a

850
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,480
b I mean you're like, look at SMU. SMU had

851
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,039
a number two ready to step in when the number

852
00:44:32,079 --> 00:44:32,920
one didn't play.

853
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:33,760
Speaker 6: Well, that's why.

854
00:44:33,679 --> 00:44:35,280
Speaker 5: SMU is doing a such a good job in the

855
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:39,320
acc not as though, you know, Smuh, you know had

856
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,239
it figured out from the beginning, but they had a

857
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:45,559
number two ready to plug in. And like, if you're Utah,

858
00:44:45,679 --> 00:44:47,840
you made back to back Rose Bulls, you went back

859
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,159
to backpack twelve titles.

860
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,079
Speaker 6: If you're Oklahoma, you know that speaks for itself.

861
00:44:52,119 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 5: You're Oklahoma, you should have a number two quarterback who's

862
00:44:56,039 --> 00:44:58,880
good if the if the number one, hot shot Jackson

863
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:03,840
Arnold isn't measuring up, you know, what are these coaches doing?

864
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 6: And of course we've talked all off season and to

865
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:07,519
the early season.

866
00:45:07,559 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 5: You know, Mike norvelmint Ride or Die with DJ Loui

867
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,639
Armalle and Hugh Freeze doubled down with Hayton Thorn.

868
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 6: I mean, what in the Sam.

869
00:45:16,159 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 5: Hill is going on with these coaches trusting these mediocre

870
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,559
quarterbacks like they're not doing their jobs.

871
00:45:22,679 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 4: It is crazy, it is it is uh one more

872
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,320
thing on USC and then we'll move on from there.

873
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,719
With the way they struggled, and you look at the

874
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:38,559
win loss record, you would probably know this. It's it's

875
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,039
very similar Lincoln Riley to Clay Helton at this point

876
00:45:42,039 --> 00:45:45,159
in his career, maybe even worse. Actually, I know that

877
00:45:45,199 --> 00:45:48,239
he's got a major buyout. Is that seat getting warm

878
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:49,559
for Lincoln Riley at this point?

879
00:45:49,599 --> 00:45:50,679
Speaker 1: Are we still a long ways from that?

880
00:45:52,039 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 5: I think the way to read this is Riley's you know,

881
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,960
he's coaching twenty twenty five period. You know, the buyouts insane,

882
00:45:59,039 --> 00:46:01,719
and of course you know he bought himself some time

883
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:05,840
by you know, having a great first season winning eleven games,

884
00:46:06,039 --> 00:46:08,480
But he is coaching his way onto the hot seat

885
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,039
for twenty twenty five if twenty twenty five doesn't get

886
00:46:12,199 --> 00:46:14,840
things back in order, I think that's the way to

887
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,280
put it. Like us, he's headed for like six and six,

888
00:46:18,679 --> 00:46:20,920
maybe seven and five at best this year, So that

889
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,320
would be the second straight six season, seven and five,

890
00:46:25,039 --> 00:46:27,960
no better than seven and five. If we were to

891
00:46:28,039 --> 00:46:31,599
imagine USC going seven and five in twenty twenty five,

892
00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:34,960
you know, three straight years with at least five losses.

893
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,400
I don't think Lincoln Riley is guaranteed for twenty twenty six,

894
00:46:40,559 --> 00:46:43,599
you like, now, assuming that he gets like eight and

895
00:46:43,679 --> 00:46:46,840
four or nine and three in twenty twenty five. Of

896
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,920
course he comes back for twenty twenty six. But if

897
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:56,119
he loses five games this year and next year, there's

898
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,679
going to be a conversation about whether he's the guy.

899
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:00,639
Speaker 6: I think. I think that that's where we are.

900
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,199
Speaker 5: But you know, USC fans who want him gone right now,

901
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,679
sorry he's coaching twenty twenty five. There's way too much

902
00:47:06,679 --> 00:47:09,920
of an investment in him, you know, even if even

903
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,880
if you you know, just fervently wanted him out right now, No,

904
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,480
that's not happening. And and and I think that that's

905
00:47:17,519 --> 00:47:19,400
fair that he should get a chance to turn this

906
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:20,079
thing around.

907
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,199
Speaker 6: We have to realizing all of all of anyone.

908
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 5: Who's an Oklahoma fan can appreciate this, that Lincoln Riley

909
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,960
wasted a year of his life and his career by

910
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,719
doubling down with Alex Grinch last year.

911
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 6: And that kind of brings.

912
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,079
Speaker 5: Us full circle, Tyler, because if Lincoln Riley had hired

913
00:47:36,119 --> 00:47:40,239
all those great defensive coaches last year, and you paired

914
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,760
all of them with Caleb Williams. USC probably has a

915
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,079
good season, maybe not great, but probably good, and you

916
00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:50,880
wouldn't have had the recruiting deficit that USC currently has

917
00:47:51,079 --> 00:47:51,760
relative to.

918
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:53,559
Speaker 6: Dan Lanning and Oregon.

919
00:47:53,679 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 5: Dan Lanning's going into southern California in the USC's backyard

920
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,920
and getting the prime players that Lincoln Riley and USC

921
00:48:00,039 --> 00:48:02,559
he should be getting. Lincoln Rally had set all of

922
00:48:02,599 --> 00:48:06,400
this in motion one year earlier and made the defensive

923
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,039
coaching adjustments that he finally got around to one year

924
00:48:10,119 --> 00:48:12,960
too late. You know, all of this might be on schedule,

925
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,880
but we're really behind schedule. So twenty twenty five is

926
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,639
basically the year where all right, Lincoln Riley was behind schedule.

927
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,639
This year, next year, twenty twenty five is the year

928
00:48:23,679 --> 00:48:26,760
he has to get back on schedule. And if he doesn't,

929
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:28,800
I think it's pretty fair to ask for his head

930
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:29,360
on a platter.

931
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,119
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think you're absolutely right about that. Matt Zimich,

932
00:48:32,159 --> 00:48:33,719
John I Gus heard the program this week.

933
00:48:34,599 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 4: Matt, kind of big picture looking at the Big ten

934
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,960
right now with the teams that are up there.

935
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 1: Indiana obviously surprised people.

936
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 4: Illinois had a nice year on top of already having Oregon,

937
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,960
Ohio State and Penn State there. You compare that to

938
00:48:50,039 --> 00:48:53,639
the SEC, which has just been madness this year with

939
00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:57,199
Georgia and Texas and Tennessee and LSU and A and

940
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,400
M on and on. How do you think the two

941
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,159
leagues compared to one another right now?

942
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:04,039
Speaker 6: Man?

943
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:08,159
Speaker 5: Like, it is amazing Tyler, just to sit back and

944
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:12,400
contemplate how radically different college football is in twenty twenty

945
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,639
four compared to twenty eighteen.

946
00:49:16,159 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 6: You know, six years and for some maybe six years

947
00:49:19,519 --> 00:49:20,400
feels like forever.

948
00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 5: For some it might feel like just you know, a

949
00:49:22,519 --> 00:49:25,559
speck of dust in terms of how much time that is.

950
00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:29,199
But to me to see the sport change so drastically

951
00:49:29,199 --> 00:49:32,880
and six years is amazing, right because from like twenty

952
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:37,119
fourteen through twenty eighteen, it was like, you know, well,

953
00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:40,440
we're just waiting for the Alabama Clemson National championship game,

954
00:49:40,679 --> 00:49:43,400
right it was it was it was Nick Saban and

955
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:48,199
Dabos Swinney's world, and then Kirby Smart began to make

956
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:52,719
that really a triumvirate, you know, like it was just

957
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,880
a matter of you know, which team Alabama, Clemson, Georgia.

958
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,159
I mean, you had Joe Burrows LSU. That was kind

959
00:49:58,159 --> 00:50:01,960
of a unique one year a deal, but it was

960
00:50:02,039 --> 00:50:04,599
like two or three programs we're controlling the sport, and

961
00:50:04,639 --> 00:50:08,199
now it's just an explosion of parody. And the thing

962
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,559
that caught me about last weekend in the SEC, Tyler

963
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:17,920
was the quarterback play in the two really big games Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, Texas.

964
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,400
Like quarterback play has fallen off a cliff, like you

965
00:50:21,679 --> 00:50:25,599
you do not have these reliable you know, stone cold

966
00:50:25,679 --> 00:50:27,840
lock take it to the bank, Like these guys are

967
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,159
gonna put up thirty five points. These guys are gonna

968
00:50:30,199 --> 00:50:34,000
deliver whenever they have to. I mean, you know a

969
00:50:34,039 --> 00:50:37,800
lot of people bagged on Stetson Bennett, you know, as

970
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,760
like is he is he really good enough to.

971
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 6: Win a national championship?

972
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,119
Speaker 5: I mean he looks like Dan Marino, he looks like

973
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,280
almost Joe Burrow compared to what we have right now

974
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:49,039
in the SEC.

975
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,639
Speaker 6: I mean, like the quarterback play was just shocking me bad.

976
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 5: Like Jalen Milroe, He's so good in that first half

977
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,639
against Alabama and you're thinking, oh, this guy could win

978
00:50:59,639 --> 00:51:03,119
the high and then next few weeks, like he starts

979
00:51:03,159 --> 00:51:06,039
making mistakes and I mean Kaylin de boor, like we

980
00:51:06,039 --> 00:51:08,800
saw what he did with Michael Pennix, Like that's been

981
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,440
shocking to watch that. Like Milroe's been around, like he's

982
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,480
he's a veteran, he went through the Wars last year.

983
00:51:16,079 --> 00:51:18,960
What how does that happen that that you play so

984
00:51:19,079 --> 00:51:21,599
well in that first half against Georgia and you lead

985
00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:24,199
the Lake comeback drive to win the game, and then

986
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,239
the next few weeks he's just making these junior varsity

987
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,800
level mistakes. And you know, Carson Beck made plenty of

988
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,199
mistakes against Texas. I mean, Georgia won, but that was

989
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:38,039
because of defense. And like Texas's quarterback situation suddenly doesn't

990
00:51:38,039 --> 00:51:41,679
feel nearly as stable or secure as we all thought.

991
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:47,559
And Tennessee with Nico Yamayama, you know, just making all

992
00:51:47,679 --> 00:51:50,760
sorts of mistakes. And you know, it seemed in September

993
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,519
that Tennessee was going to have that Hendon Hooker like

994
00:51:55,039 --> 00:52:00,159
offensive machine recalling twenty twenty two, but now like you

995
00:52:00,159 --> 00:52:02,519
can't trust that Tennessee offense. I mean, the balls won,

996
00:52:02,559 --> 00:52:05,199
but it was because Alabama made and Milroe made even

997
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:09,480
more mistakes. So it just all feels very wide open.

998
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:11,960
You go over to the Big ten. To bring the

999
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:16,519
Big ten into the conversation. Drew Aller Penn State beat USC,

1000
00:52:16,679 --> 00:52:19,199
but Aller played a bad game. I mean, it's certainly

1001
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,000
a bad first half. He was all over the place.

1002
00:52:22,079 --> 00:52:24,360
I mean, he scrambled late. He made some great plays

1003
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,440
at the very end of the game, but he was

1004
00:52:26,639 --> 00:52:30,280
bad for much of that game. And then you have

1005
00:52:30,639 --> 00:52:33,199
you know, Will Howard and Dylan Gabriel. Now they played

1006
00:52:33,199 --> 00:52:36,679
well in that bag Ohio State Oregon game, but really

1007
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:39,920
in the Big Ten you don't have a lot of

1008
00:52:40,039 --> 00:52:44,360
quality depth because the quarterback play has just been so shaky.

1009
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,280
I mean, Milmer Moss has been part of that at USC.

1010
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:50,320
And of course Michigan scored just seven points against Illinois,

1011
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,679
And again, what was Michigan doing, What was Cheron Moore

1012
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:58,079
doing in the offseason, not finding a half decent portal

1013
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:02,880
veteran as the bridge from JJ McCarthy. I mean, he

1014
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:07,000
was just unprepared. And how are you unprepared when Jim Harbaugh,

1015
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,280
you know, has hands you the baton at Michigan coming

1016
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,320
off a national championship season, it's just really hard. So

1017
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:18,239
the lack of consistent, reliable quarterback play is why it

1018
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,760
is up in the air in both the SEC and

1019
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,440
the Big Ten so much parody. And it's such a

1020
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,039
dramatic change from where we were in college football six

1021
00:53:27,119 --> 00:53:29,920
years ago when it was just Alabama, Clemson and Kirby

1022
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,519
Smart beginning to get it together at Georgia.

1023
00:53:32,599 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 2: Well.

1024
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,199
Speaker 4: And one thing I look at with the Big Ten

1025
00:53:35,559 --> 00:53:37,960
of some of their top tier teams, like let's say

1026
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:41,599
Oregon and Ohio State, for example, Oregon led by Dylan Gabriel,

1027
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:45,760
Ohio State led by Will Howard, and neither one of

1028
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,239
those guys if we're gonna be frank or thought of

1029
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:52,360
as any top pro prospects by any stretch, they could

1030
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,920
be that. I expect them both to be drafted obviously,

1031
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:56,400
but neither one of them is gonna be a first

1032
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,440
round pick. Barking something drastic changing the next you know,

1033
00:53:59,559 --> 00:54:00,559
several weeks here.

1034
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,119
Speaker 1: But it kind of reminds me, Matt.

1035
00:54:03,159 --> 00:54:06,159
Speaker 4: I know you're a big college basketball guy too, of

1036
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:10,079
you know, you see these college basketball teams that maybe

1037
00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:13,599
they're not going to get the five star recruit, but hey,

1038
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:16,360
I can go get the veteran from the portal, or

1039
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,239
I got a guy that's been here four or five

1040
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,760
years and like a Zach Eaty type, and they're going

1041
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,639
to be a great college player and get me to

1042
00:54:24,679 --> 00:54:26,079
where I want to go is we're going to try

1043
00:54:26,079 --> 00:54:28,440
to go win the championship in this case, That's what

1044
00:54:28,519 --> 00:54:31,519
I see with these guys like Gabriel and Will Howard here.

1045
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:35,119
Maybe they're not superstar talents, but they know how to

1046
00:54:35,159 --> 00:54:38,840
excel at the college football level, and it's working out swimmingly,

1047
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,000
I think for both those two and for their two

1048
00:54:41,039 --> 00:54:42,920
programs with what they need right now.

1049
00:54:43,639 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 5: Well, And doesn't that kind of compliment the discussion we

1050
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:50,400
had earlier about USC and Lincoln Riley, right, nor Moss,

1051
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:52,800
no one ever expected him to be a superstar.

1052
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 6: I didn't.

1053
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,760
Speaker 5: If you surround him with elite talent and everyone else

1054
00:54:57,039 --> 00:55:00,280
doing their job on offense, he'd be great. That's not

1055
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,280
happy at USC, But at Oregon and ohiose date, you

1056
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,599
have dudes at just about every other position. So Dylan

1057
00:55:06,639 --> 00:55:09,360
Gabriel and Will Howard can do great because they're surrounded

1058
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:13,559
by elite talent, right, and so like roster construction Tyler,

1059
00:55:13,639 --> 00:55:16,960
that really is the theme of this conversation in many

1060
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,360
ways that you don't have to have the godlike quarterback

1061
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,920
if you have ten other dudes on your offense, you know,

1062
00:55:24,039 --> 00:55:26,280
but if you don't have ten other dudes that you

1063
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:31,400
do need that godlike quarterback to transcend everything. So coaches

1064
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,760
need to be very intentional about roster construction, you know,

1065
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:36,840
just because we're talking a little bit about the Big Ten.

1066
00:55:37,079 --> 00:55:39,679
I just want to emphasize Michigan, Like you knew that

1067
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:43,800
Michigan had to know it was losing key pieces on offense,

1068
00:55:44,159 --> 00:55:47,679
so it probably needed to emphasize the upgrade at quarterback

1069
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,519
or not not not upgrade, but like we need to

1070
00:55:50,559 --> 00:55:53,320
have someone similar to JJ McCarthy. We can't have a

1071
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:57,039
huge drop off at that position. And Sharon Moore just

1072
00:55:57,039 --> 00:56:00,519
swung and missed or did he even try? Such a

1073
00:56:00,559 --> 00:56:01,880
mystery there in ann Arbor.

1074
00:56:02,159 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, And for all the people that doubted JJ McCarthy

1075
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,440
last year, I think hindsight being twenty twenty, like, Okay,

1076
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,920
maybe he wasn't so bad, yes.

1077
00:56:11,159 --> 00:56:13,519
Speaker 6: Like Stetson Bennett. Like Stetson Bennett.

1078
00:56:13,639 --> 00:56:17,039
Speaker 5: So many people criticized each of those guys for their limitations,

1079
00:56:17,039 --> 00:56:20,039
but then what came after them, and that has made

1080
00:56:20,119 --> 00:56:22,280
us all appreciate what they brought to the table.

1081
00:56:22,639 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, we mentioned the SEC and the Big Ten and

1082
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,119
kind of you know, comparing the two leagues, and I

1083
00:56:28,119 --> 00:56:30,000
feel like that they're kind of joined at the hip

1084
00:56:30,679 --> 00:56:33,800
in this new era of college football. Everybody wants to

1085
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,760
go to those two leagues. But Matt, even looking beyond

1086
00:56:37,159 --> 00:56:40,679
in the future, now, obviously you have the discussions about

1087
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:44,800
potentially a super league involving those leagues, but now with

1088
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:48,760
the playoff expansion, rumors of both them pushing for four

1089
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:53,159
automatic bids and for you know, guaranteed spots as the

1090
00:56:53,199 --> 00:56:56,679
top two seeds, and we've also heard these rumblings about

1091
00:56:57,519 --> 00:57:00,760
potentially a challenge of sorts, like we say in basketball,

1092
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:01,599
between these two.

1093
00:57:02,639 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: It seems like these two leagues are heading in.

1094
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:10,039
Speaker 4: To kind of drive the direction of where college football

1095
00:57:10,079 --> 00:57:12,920
is going, of making making it known it's them and

1096
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:14,079
everyone else right now.

1097
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 5: It is, and it does seem as though, you know,

1098
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:23,159
before too long and what the timeline is, I don't know,

1099
00:57:23,199 --> 00:57:25,719
but like we're eventually going to get that super league,

1100
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:27,840
and we're gonna get you know, like the upper half

1101
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,159
and the lower half of college football. That seems to

1102
00:57:31,199 --> 00:57:34,320
be where this is all going. Like we can quibble

1103
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,679
about what it's exactly going to look like, but like

1104
00:57:36,719 --> 00:57:40,760
that seems to be the underlying thrust. It's gonna be

1105
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,280
really interesting to see, you know, what happens with all

1106
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:47,079
the ACC litigation relative to Florida State and Clemson. And

1107
00:57:47,119 --> 00:57:50,920
of course right now, like we have Miami finally putting

1108
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,239
it together. And wouldn't it be interesting that, you know,

1109
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:56,960
if Miami not only wins the ACC and goes to

1110
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,239
the playoff, but maybe wins a playoff game or two,

1111
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:03,800
does that in any way the equation for the ACC

1112
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,320
in terms of where it stands relative to the SEC

1113
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:06,920
and the Big Ten.

1114
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 6: But yeah, it's clear that these are the two big

1115
00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:12,760
political power brokers. And of course, since we know.

1116
00:58:12,719 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 5: Tyler that no one's really minding the store, no one's

1117
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,920
really no one has a firm governing hand in terms

1118
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,000
of regulating all of college football.

1119
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:22,119
Speaker 6: It's been the Wild West.

1120
00:58:22,159 --> 00:58:24,679
Speaker 5: It's going to continue to be that way, you know,

1121
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,239
in this power vacuum without someone you know, being an

1122
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,039
adult in the room. It just seems as though the

1123
00:58:30,079 --> 00:58:32,960
SEC and Big Ten are going to continue to consolidate

1124
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,360
power and it's not healthy and it's a shame because

1125
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,519
you look at Army and Navy being unbeaten, And wouldn't

1126
00:58:39,559 --> 00:58:42,159
it be absolutely incredible if Army Navy is for a

1127
00:58:42,199 --> 00:58:46,199
playoff bid. I mean, that would be absolutely spectacular. But

1128
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,440
you know, maybe we're not gonna Maybe this year is

1129
00:58:50,039 --> 00:58:52,280
the last time we're going to get something like that.

1130
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,800
If the SEC and Big Ten make maneuvers that create

1131
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:59,400
you know, like a permanent ruling class and a permanent

1132
00:58:59,519 --> 00:59:01,559
under class in college football.

1133
00:59:01,679 --> 00:59:05,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's fascinating for sure as far as that goes.

1134
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:10,079
And you know, the next big domino in realignment to

1135
00:59:10,119 --> 00:59:14,519
fall of the the the prize that I think everybody wants,

1136
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:18,119
you know, with Notre Dames sitting there not likely to

1137
00:59:18,199 --> 00:59:21,039
join a conference anytime soon, it seems to be North Carolina.

1138
00:59:21,679 --> 00:59:24,760
And you know, all indications are that they could have

1139
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,880
their choice potentially between the Big Ten or the SEC.

1140
00:59:28,599 --> 00:59:31,119
Speaker 1: What league do you think would would be a better fit.

1141
00:59:31,199 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 4: What do you think more likely happens for North Carolina

1142
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:37,719
win eventually they move, Which lead do you think makes

1143
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:38,320
the most sense?

1144
00:59:39,559 --> 00:59:41,639
Speaker 5: Well, just if I was to make a prediction, like

1145
00:59:41,679 --> 00:59:44,199
I'm not going to claim to know exactly what's best

1146
00:59:44,239 --> 00:59:46,760
for North Carolina, I'll leave the people in Chapel Hillton

1147
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,760
to determine that purely in terms of a prediction, it

1148
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,440
would be the Big Ten because Jim Delaney has North

1149
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:54,800
Carolina roots. And I know he's not the active Big

1150
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:59,159
Ten commissioner, but like he's still alive. He's still he

1151
00:59:59,159 --> 01:00:01,119
can still be over voice in the room. He can

1152
01:00:01,199 --> 01:00:05,039
still work the back channels. You know, there's that famous

1153
01:00:05,039 --> 01:00:08,719
photo of Jim Delaney at the nineteen ninety one Final

1154
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:12,280
four in Indianapolis, yucking it up with Roy Williams and

1155
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:16,119
Dean Smith before the first National semi final. Like he

1156
01:00:16,199 --> 01:00:19,719
was good friends with both men because of his North

1157
01:00:19,719 --> 01:00:24,400
Carolina connections. So just as a prediction, if it's the

1158
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:27,159
Big Ten or the SEC for Carolina, I would lean

1159
01:00:27,199 --> 01:00:28,199
Big Ten at this point.

1160
01:00:28,679 --> 01:00:30,039
Speaker 1: Well, and I would think too.

1161
01:00:30,199 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 4: You know, we've seen the directions that both conferences have

1162
01:00:33,519 --> 01:00:36,199
gone so far in realignment have been totally different. You know,

1163
01:00:36,239 --> 01:00:39,159
the SEC stayed focused on their region and bringing in

1164
01:00:39,199 --> 01:00:42,920
Oklahoma and Texas, and the Big Ten, you know, focused

1165
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:46,800
on going west with those Pack four schools they brought in.

1166
01:00:47,719 --> 01:00:51,079
If the Big Ten could convinced North Carolina to go

1167
01:00:51,159 --> 01:00:52,760
to them as.

1168
01:00:52,559 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 1: Opposed to going to the SEC, that to me, Matt.

1169
01:00:56,199 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 4: Would feel like the first big win for the Big

1170
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:02,239
Ten and kind of over the SEC and in this

1171
01:01:02,719 --> 01:01:03,840
battle for power here.

1172
01:01:05,119 --> 01:01:06,199
Speaker 6: I think that's fair to say.

1173
01:01:06,239 --> 01:01:08,679
Speaker 5: And I think, you know, so the natural follow up

1174
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:12,199
if we just you know, we're not assigning levels of

1175
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:15,239
likelihood to any of this, We're just mapping out scenarios.

1176
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:19,239
If North Carolina goes to the Big Ten, then what

1177
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:22,440
does that mean for Florida State and Clemson, you know,

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in terms of where where they're going to go, where

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they want to go? Like that, that to me would

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be like the next really big domino, right, you know,

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because because then because if you know, North Carolina leaving

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the ACC, that would seem to point to the ACC's demise.

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Speaker 6: Like the ACC is a basketball conference.

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Speaker 5: We can talk about football all we want, but like

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taking North Carolina out of the a CEC, I mean

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that's like taking Alabama out of the SEC. I mean

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like that that is like the heart of the whole conference.

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So really it would invite the question of where Florida

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State and Clemson then go. That would be the next

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big thing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And do the SEC and Big Ten want them?

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Do they end up in the Big twelve or do

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they rebuild the ACC in a new way. There's so

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many possibilities. We'll see all plays out long ways to go,

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Matt before we run here, plug away where people can

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find you and see all the great work you're doing.

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Speaker 6: Bet well, So I'm at Trojan's Wire.

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Speaker 5: Basically every weekend in October has become a Lincoln Riley pitchforks.

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Natives are restless type thing, but Trojanswire dot USA Today

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dot com.

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Speaker 6: And of course you know now.

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Speaker 5: People are going to be watching listening to this show

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with you, Tyler after the USC Rutgers game actually ends.

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But it's going to be quite a Friday night in

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Los Angeles with the Dodgers at five pm local time

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in LA and then USC at eight pm.

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Speaker 6: And you just wish that USC had.

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Speaker 5: Been could be a good team, because then that USC

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Rutgers game would be like the sexy follow up to

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Game one. But at this point, like people are gonna

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click off their television sets at the end of the

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baseball game, they're not gonna care.

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Speaker 6: They're not gonna stay up for you three and four USC.

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Speaker 5: They're probably gonna go on over to that Boise State

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UNLV game. That's gonna be the game that you're gonna

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want to watch after Dodgers Yankees, but it's gonna be fascinating.

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There's also a Laker game Friday night in Los Angeles.

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There are a couple of concerts like Traffic at Los

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Angeles on Friday Night. It's gonna be fascinating to read,

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like all the diaries from people who are trying to

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chronicle all these games, and how many people are going

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to try to go to Dodgers Stadium and then go

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over to the Los Angeles Coliseum. That's obviously something that

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you're gonna want to read about a Trojan's wire and

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everywhere else.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to it. Matt, appreciate the time as

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always much. Fred. We'll talk end down the line.

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Speaker 6: Thank you. Always fun to be on your show.