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Speaker 5: What the fellas? This ain't my first time at the rodeo.
Speaker 4: Welcome to the cult rejects. This episode, we got a
Speaker 4: bunch of us here tonight. I got h we got
Speaker 4: the cult reject Midside Lisa with us tonight.
Speaker 2: And then we also got the spiritual gangster herself.
Speaker 4: We got Teresa, we got my favorite garbage can do
Speaker 4: JJ Advance, and we got the one and only headless
Speaker 4: Giant we got him, and we got my boy magic Mike.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So we got a bunch of us here tonight, and
Speaker 4: we're gonna be talking on a topic that I think
Speaker 4: we are all interested in. And I have been hearing
Speaker 4: about how this guest that we have has been doing
Speaker 4: some amazing work on this book. Even a couple of
Speaker 4: people from this podcast has even said that they're really
Speaker 4: impressed with the work that.
Speaker 2: She did on it.
Speaker 4: So I'm very excited to have her back on too
Speaker 4: and it has been a long time since she's been on.
Speaker 4: So please, for all the new listeners that I've had
Speaker 4: since then, please let all of them know Julia, what
Speaker 4: is up with you and where they can find all
Speaker 4: of your work.
Speaker 2: Please.
Speaker 5: Hi, Yeah, thanks so much for having me. I think
Speaker 5: the last time I was on the Occult Reject so
Speaker 5: I still used to color in my eyebrows. So it's
Speaker 5: been a while.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: No, I have the Cosmic Peach podcast. I'm available wherever
Speaker 5: you listen to podcasts, and I think it's you know, Spotify, iTunes,
Speaker 5: just wherever you could just google it, something will pop up.
Speaker 5: You know. I don't have YouTube anymore.
Speaker 2: I was trying to look for that and I was
Speaker 2: going to ask you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they gave me. They gave me two strikes, and
Speaker 5: I was like, I'm quitting this relationship before we get
Speaker 5: to the third one. This was my decision, not yours.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so but anywhere else. And I do have Patreon
Speaker 5: for like exclusive stuff, AD free stuff and early releases
Speaker 5: on all my episodes over there on Patreon. You can
Speaker 5: just find it looking for Cosmic Peach. But yeah, I'm
Speaker 5: really excited about this one. Thanks, thanks again for.
Speaker 4: Having me of course, of course, of course, and you
Speaker 4: know what, real quick, just for some of the other
Speaker 4: people here, totally forgot. I was going to let some
Speaker 4: of them plug themselves Headless. Let everybody know what they
Speaker 4: can find your show at, too, real quick please, and yeah,
Speaker 4: you're muted it again as usual.
Speaker 7: Foot me on on YouTube obviously, and I'm streaming this
Speaker 7: out now. You can also find me on x That's
Speaker 7: where I do most of my ship posting and sometimes
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Speaker 2: Listen.
Speaker 4: Thank you very much, and JJ Vance let everybody know
Speaker 4: where they can find your amazing work as well, Lisa.
Speaker 8: All right, Nick, appreciate the invite. JJ Vance, host of
Speaker 8: Operations GCD right there on the screen. Boo uh, looking
Speaker 8: forward to the conversation. I'm big mccount fan. I definitely big,
Speaker 8: a big fan of this book Program to Kill as
Speaker 8: well as far as an eye opening experience in my
Speaker 8: worldview for sure after I.
Speaker 3: Read that book. But no, it's great to see everybody
Speaker 3: looking forward to the conversation.
Speaker 4: Thank you very much, sir and Teresa. Last but not least, Joe,
Speaker 4: the other one with the show here.
Speaker 6: Sure, yeah, so have the Spiritual Gangster's podcast. People can
Speaker 6: check that out everywhere you find podcasts and YouTube, and
Speaker 6: they can find me on x and Instagram at ts
Speaker 6: Gangster's Plot.
Speaker 4: Awesome, thank you very much, and all of their links
Speaker 4: and Julia's linktree is already in the bottom. So if
Speaker 4: people want to go check out his stuff, go for it.
Speaker 4: I guess Julia will get to you real quick. What
Speaker 4: made you even, I guess, get into or start thinking
Speaker 4: about covering this, because I mean that had to be
Speaker 4: a task in itself.
Speaker 5: Oh well, yeah, I didn't take it on lightheartedly because
Speaker 5: I knew it was a huge subject matter. But I
Speaker 5: actually first read Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon, which is
Speaker 5: another David McGowan book, and it has to do more
Speaker 5: with the Laurel Canyon and you know, all of the
Speaker 5: counterculture movement stuff and how it was just a big
Speaker 5: CIA project and pretty much every musician from the Laurel Canyon,
Speaker 5: their dad's we're all in the military, and of course
Speaker 5: everyone's familiar with Jim Morrison and his dad and the
Speaker 5: Gulf of Tonkin and all that. That's like conspiracy candy
Speaker 5: kind of at the point, like everyone really knows about it,
Speaker 5: but weird scenes inside the canyon like explodes, the whole
Speaker 5: thing wide open, and it's crazy and it's just as
Speaker 5: interesting as a read. But after I finished that one,
Speaker 5: I wanted to move on to another book that he wrote,
Speaker 5: which was Programmed to Kill, And I liked weird scenes
Speaker 5: so much that I was like, Oh, this is gonna
Speaker 5: be bomb, this is gonna be fucking fantastic.
Speaker 9: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: I was so.
Speaker 5: Excited to read it because it's all the things white
Speaker 5: women love. You know, it's conspiracy, serial killers, true crime.
Speaker 5: Like that's that's the white girls dream book right there,
Speaker 5: and so you know, yeh right, right right, you go
Speaker 5: to Starbucks and read program to Kill. That's like a
Speaker 5: wet dream or something. But well, yeah, I think.
Speaker 3: So, Yeah.
Speaker 5: I was excited to read it. Anyways, and then chapter
Speaker 5: after chapter I just got more sucked into it, and
Speaker 5: I actually couldn't believe more people weren't talking about the
Speaker 5: stuff that was in this book because it was incredible.
Speaker 2: And he.
Speaker 5: Spends a lot of time at the back of the
Speaker 5: book talking about serial killers. But there's like, I don't know,
Speaker 5: fifteen chapters or something like that in the beginning, where
Speaker 5: it's all about how there's these interconnected pedophile rings that
Speaker 5: are just running the country and he has receipts for
Speaker 5: stuff like it's very well researched, and it blew my mind.
Speaker 5: And then I kind of dove into it looking for
Speaker 5: kind of clues and stuff on my own, and I
Speaker 5: put together basically I did what was the first one.
Speaker 5: I did the Petaphocracy series, Uncle Sam Wants Your Children's series,
Speaker 5: Program to Kill series, and then I'm working on a
Speaker 5: series right now called blood Ties and it's all about
Speaker 5: stuff I've researched from the book Program to Kill. So
Speaker 5: I think I've done maybe what ten plus episodes just
Speaker 5: on this one book. So I mean, you guys have
Speaker 5: any questions or anything, but are you guys familiar with
Speaker 5: Dave McGowan at all?
Speaker 8: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 10: I think the book is super important. I mean, if
Speaker 10: you want to lose all trust in our intelligence networks
Speaker 10: and really bring shine a light on it's like, is
Speaker 10: everything compromised? Well that Scott brings a receipt, So I mean.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's important too, especially when you're writing a
Speaker 5: book about this kind of stuff. You want to be
Speaker 5: able to see where it's not just like baseless claims
Speaker 5: because everyone loves to jump to oh the pedophile, but
Speaker 5: it's like Dave McGowan actually shows you, like how this
Speaker 5: person is actually a pedophile. I mean, you know, it's
Speaker 5: easy for us to be like, oh, that celebrity is
Speaker 5: probably a pedo, and oh he probably went to a
Speaker 5: Diddy party, and it's just, you know, it's our conjecture
Speaker 5: whether or not that stuff actually happens. But Dave McGowan
Speaker 5: lays it out like on a buffet, and he's like,
Speaker 5: look at this, look at this, look at this. And
Speaker 5: it's crazy because it actually turns out that these pedophile
Speaker 5: networks are so integrated. They're integrated with serial killers, they're
Speaker 5: integrated with the government, they're integrated with babysitting services, they're
Speaker 5: integrated with schools, they're integrated. I mean, it's just it's
Speaker 5: almost impossible for you to wrap your head around the
Speaker 5: first time you read it. That's how crazy it is.
Speaker 7: Well, another thing about Dave McGowan is he's got all
Speaker 7: of his resources just cited right there, so he's uh
Speaker 7: of cited resources. And I've heard people try and debunk
Speaker 7: this book and they've failed miserably at it, and so
Speaker 7: I mean that's a real test of time, right there
Speaker 7: is because these the you know, that's what we're up
Speaker 7: against is people are looking for a way to discredit
Speaker 7: this and they fail miserably. So I think that's that's
Speaker 7: a really important part some of Dave McGowan's Gwen's resources.
Speaker 7: He just leaves hanging out there. He doesn't draw any
Speaker 7: conclusions from it, which I think is important because it
Speaker 7: allows other researchers to go in there and be like, well,
Speaker 7: he left this hang and maybe there's something else that
Speaker 7: has developed since they're already get this book.
Speaker 6: So m h.
Speaker 5: And the crazy thing to me is a lot of
Speaker 5: people talk about, oh, they were probably suicided, you know,
Speaker 5: fill in the blank, Epstein whoever. They were all suicided. Right,
Speaker 5: Dave McGowan died a weird, crazy like fast acting cancer
Speaker 5: CIA type death, and nobody looks at that any further
Speaker 5: than oh, he he had cancer's natural causes, right, He's
Speaker 5: he died out of his own accord. But the way
Speaker 5: that he contracted it, the things he was saying leading
Speaker 5: up to that, it was like he knew he was
Speaker 5: on their list and if somebody, I get it. It
Speaker 5: was cancer, right, and we can't prove that, you know,
Speaker 5: somebody gave him cancer or whatever.
Speaker 7: But well, Lisa, Lisa, as a biologist, I was I
Speaker 7: was wondering if they can make immortal cell lines, which
Speaker 7: is cancer izing these cells, can't they just make cancer?
Speaker 11: So immortalized cell lines is a cancer cell or a
Speaker 11: cancer cell is let me repraise that a cancer cell
Speaker 11: is an immortalized cell line. And so you naturally make
Speaker 11: immortalized cell lines as kind of like an oops, but
Speaker 11: your immune cells kind of get rid of them, you know,
Speaker 11: kind of kill off anything that is showing some sort
Speaker 11: of anomaly. One of the things that the way the
Speaker 11: cancer cells came about is because they were doing biopsies
Speaker 11: and they were having problems maintaining cell lines to generate
Speaker 11: vaccines and what have you. And when they came across
Speaker 11: one of the cell lines, it was not showing the
Speaker 11: same type of decay over cell passages. That's when they're like,
Speaker 11: oh my god, we've hick gold. However, at the time,
Speaker 11: they kind of really didn't know about cancer so to speak,
Speaker 11: and that it was infectious, and so they're like, we
Speaker 11: found the holy Grail. We have a cell line that
Speaker 11: will never deteriorate and we can just mass produce it
Speaker 11: because it was allowing them to make so many passages
Speaker 11: with cell lines and testing everything without the decay of
Speaker 11: the chromosome and the telomeres and all that other stuff.
Speaker 11: So they use that initially to make vaccines, not knowing
Speaker 11: that they were injecting Well I don't know if they
Speaker 11: knew or not. I'm not going to say that did,
Speaker 11: but at the time they say that they didn't know,
Speaker 11: and so when they injected obviously they were injecting mortalized
Speaker 11: cell lines.
Speaker 5: Now so are you saying like they could just like
Speaker 5: inject somebody with this, they could squirt it in their
Speaker 5: coffee what so? So I'm just I'm curious.
Speaker 11: No, no, no, super fast. So what was coming about around
Speaker 11: in the sixties, There were a lot of scientists pointing
Speaker 11: evidence that the data was showing that viruses were responsible
Speaker 11: for mutating a cell to the point of immortalization. So
Speaker 11: if you kind of go back and look at the literature,
Speaker 11: it kind of points that viruses themselves could cause cancer.
Speaker 11: And now we have proof of that, like with HPV, Right,
Speaker 11: HPV is a virus. Oh yeah, longer you will get
Speaker 11: cervical cancer. Right, that's one for sure. Now you have
Speaker 11: other viruses that have now been alleged to cause cancer
Speaker 11: later on in life. We have throw cancer and all
Speaker 11: that other stuff. So if they were to inject someone
Speaker 11: with the virus fast acting virus and manipulated virus, I
Speaker 11: could see it happening.
Speaker 5: Or could they just send somebody like coffin Dave's faith
Speaker 5: and like just get him. You know, I don't know,
Speaker 5: I don't know, you.
Speaker 11: Know what kind of cancer specifically.
Speaker 5: You know, it was probably like fucking anus or something
Speaker 5: that's probably.
Speaker 3: Which work in environment. It was susceptible to lung cancer.
Speaker 5: Yeah, wait, let me just fact check myself before everybody
Speaker 5: runs around saying he had anus cancer. Okay, it was
Speaker 5: it was lung cancer. It was lung cancer and r
Speaker 5: I P. By the way, I'm not trying to make
Speaker 5: light of it, because it was really terrible. But he
Speaker 5: was really looking into some crazy ship there at the end,
Speaker 5: and he knew like his days were numbered. He pretty
Speaker 5: much said so to a lot of his friends and family,
Speaker 5: like I'm pretty sure they're going to come get me
Speaker 5: after this one. And it's for stuff like this, you know,
Speaker 5: this real controversial stuff.
Speaker 11: So one of the things if you look back at
Speaker 11: the hit not to go off on a tangent on
Speaker 11: this and promises it. But if you look at the
Speaker 11: weaponization of viruses, it's around the same timeline when people
Speaker 11: are publishing this stuff and the technology was there. So
Speaker 11: when did he die.
Speaker 5: He did like twenty thirteen or something, twenty fifteen. Maybe
Speaker 5: I just had it pulled up. I don't know. I
Speaker 5: think it was twenty It was within the last like
Speaker 5: ten years now. But he was actually working on something
Speaker 5: on the Boston Marathon bombing, and he was putting together
Speaker 5: a book on that, and then you know, next thing
Speaker 5: you know, Dave's got cancer and he's dead.
Speaker 7: Well, the most.
Speaker 3: Famous great series he did go ahead EDLs.
Speaker 7: The most famous case of injectable cancer was SB forty,
Speaker 7: which they put into the polio vaccine and lots of
Speaker 7: people got tumors from that. They're like, oh, it's not
Speaker 7: not fatal, but they really know.
Speaker 11: Grow a virus, you know, because we get into the
Speaker 11: whole coaxpostulates and all that other stuff. Viruses cannot be isolated.
Speaker 11: They can only grow inside of a cell. They have
Speaker 11: to infect a cell and then well, I say live
Speaker 11: viruses are not alive. You can't kill them because they're
Speaker 11: not alive. They're just basically inserts, and so the only
Speaker 11: way to grow them or to propagate them is to
Speaker 11: put them inside of a cell. And so once you
Speaker 11: have a cell, now you can go ahead and whatever.
Speaker 11: So SB forty was the actual kidney cell line, and
Speaker 11: it was from a monkey, and so again you have
Speaker 11: the immortalized cell line that was able to be used
Speaker 11: and passage without deterioration, because I think with normal cells
Speaker 11: you passage them I think anywhere between five to ten
Speaker 11: and it depends on the tissue. And then now you
Speaker 11: start to see degradation of the cell, the cells not
Speaker 11: holding correctly, the cells not replicating correctly, and now you
Speaker 11: run into all these other problems. But with an mortalized
Speaker 11: cell line, it never dies.
Speaker 5: So that's fucked up.
Speaker 6: Do you know the same thing as in the COVID
Speaker 6: jobs too.
Speaker 5: I was gonna say that would be so easy for
Speaker 5: them to sneak into stuff, so I mean, I could
Speaker 5: totally see that. But yeah, so rip Dave McGowan. He
Speaker 5: was a really cool guy. I think his daughter still
Speaker 5: has like an online book store. And if you're gonna
Speaker 5: order Program to Kill after listening to this episode. Don't
Speaker 5: order it through Amazon, go through his daughter, because I
Speaker 5: think that helps support like his you know whatever for
Speaker 5: the Dave McGowan memorial thing or whatever. But he starts
Speaker 5: the book off, and just break in if you have
Speaker 5: any questions. But he starts the book off by talking
Speaker 5: about out this pedophile guy in Belgium. They called him
Speaker 5: the Belgium Beast. His name was Mark Dutreaux. Have you
Speaker 5: guys ever heard of this fucker?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Is that he associated with the Mothers of Darkness Castle
Speaker 7: as well over there in Belgium.
Speaker 5: He's involved in all kinds of stuff and he's wrapped
Speaker 5: up in all of these pedophile rings and shit. But
Speaker 5: what the crazy thing is about this guy is like
Speaker 5: I think he like raped or molested a couple of
Speaker 5: young girls, and then he went to prison but was
Speaker 5: able to get out within like I don't know, eight
Speaker 5: months or something real like slight like that, instead of
Speaker 5: serving out his whole sentence.
Speaker 6: And then.
Speaker 5: It was almost as if someone wanted him out, like
Speaker 5: he was getting released for a reason. And so he
Speaker 5: gets released and then he goes right back at it.
Speaker 5: He starts raping and murdering and doing all this shit,
Speaker 5: and even his neighbors would call the cops and be like,
Speaker 5: we hear fucking girls screaming from this house, and somebody
Speaker 5: better come check this out. And the police would supposedly
Speaker 5: drive by and they would see like, oh, nothing's wrong here,
Speaker 5: and just you know, totally dismiss everything. Even this guy's mom,
Speaker 5: Mark Dutrou's mom called the police and said, I think
Speaker 5: there's something wrong. You need to go check out my
Speaker 5: son's house. And whatever. The police go, they say, they
Speaker 5: see nothing wrong. Time goes by and they discover that
Speaker 5: he's got little girls buried all over his property. He's
Speaker 5: got a dungeon in his basement. He's been chaining bitches
Speaker 5: up down there. He's been making snuff films. He's been
Speaker 5: making like child porn.
Speaker 2: All.
Speaker 5: Huh.
Speaker 2: Guy's busy, Yeah, he's busy.
Speaker 5: He's fucking busy, and he's probably on welfare, so he's
Speaker 5: got nothing better to do than to be at home
Speaker 5: raping and killing bitches.
Speaker 7: In Belgium, he was definitely the Belgian Epstein. And what
Speaker 7: ended up, what ended up causing him to go to jail,
Speaker 7: was that the people of Belgium were so sick of
Speaker 7: it that they took to the streets and had a
Speaker 7: national Day of protest, which actually into looking into this
Speaker 7: guy and putting him in jail. But they I mean,
Speaker 7: they didn't execute him, they didn't do nothing like that.
Speaker 7: And he's still rotting in jail to this day. But
Speaker 7: you know, it's just overwhelming amounts of evidence. And the
Speaker 7: thing I've seen about him is that he's associated with
Speaker 7: this Belgium castle they call the Mothers of Darkness Castle.
Speaker 7: So he's basically running an Epstein network out there for
Speaker 7: blackmailing Belgian politicians. And I think that's pretty important because
Speaker 7: you know, this is like the heart of NATO and
Speaker 7: all the rest of this globalism is right there, and
Speaker 7: he's associated with all of it.
Speaker 8: That's what I was going to ask, what's his NATO connection?
Speaker 8: I mean it's Belgium, so it's.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was definitely connected, and I mean headless put
Speaker 5: it perfectly, because they use people like Mark Dutrow to
Speaker 5: kind of like act vicariously through He procures the girls
Speaker 5: and then they make these you know, blackmail tapes, and
Speaker 5: they make snuff films and they do all this stuff
Speaker 5: and they probably sell them too, and so they use
Speaker 5: a guy like Mark dutrou They see that he's already
Speaker 5: into this shit, he's already been raping and molested in
Speaker 5: his way through. They let him out of jail early,
Speaker 5: and they almost kind of recruit these men to be
Speaker 5: a part of the of the scheme. You know. It's like,
Speaker 5: before I move off of Mark Dutroux, I just want
Speaker 5: to say, it's like the same concept of the serial killer.
Speaker 5: There's they They probably look for people who fittest specific profile,
Speaker 5: who already are somewhat psychopathic, and then they weaponize them
Speaker 5: to do their bidding. And so the idea of the
Speaker 5: program to kill it's not very unlike programmed to pedophile
Speaker 5: because it seems like they're also connected in these circles.
Speaker 5: I don't know if you guys had any questions on
Speaker 5: that though, before I go to the next part of it.
Speaker 3: And there was no Satanism connected to the de trou affair.
Speaker 5: I think Dutrow from what I can remember, they said
Speaker 5: like maybe his parents were into it, and it was
Speaker 5: like a generational thing, kind of like generational satanism.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: They take the little boys, they dress them like girls,
Speaker 5: they make them eat shit, drink, piss, it's all part
Speaker 5: of like the trauma, and then they grow up and
Speaker 5: then they become Mark Dutrow because it's like generational Satanists them.
Speaker 8: They sure, so there was evidence of that then with
Speaker 8: the De trou affair as well, because it seems to
Speaker 8: have the hallmarks of it. But I'd never recall there
Speaker 8: being anything in the investigation too much toward the book
Speaker 8: for that matter, regard the satanic elements of it, but
Speaker 8: certainly has all the hallmarks.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd have to go back and read it to
Speaker 5: be sure, but I'm pretty if I'm remembering right. I
Speaker 5: think it was like a generational thing and like his
Speaker 5: grandma or something. It's always like the grandma who's the
Speaker 5: Satanist to like dressism, like girls and stuff that it's
Speaker 5: all fucked up. But I mean, as far as I
Speaker 5: can tell, this dude Troe guy, he had like a
Speaker 5: bunch of like people under him and then there was
Speaker 5: like people under them and it was literally like a
Speaker 5: spider web and they were all producing child porn and
Speaker 5: you know blackmail stuff with politicians.
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, that sort of goes back into the Mothers
Speaker 7: of Darkness angle. So the predominant theory is that this
Speaker 7: castle is where you've got a lot of these, I guess,
Speaker 7: highly psychic women that act as like the generals of
Speaker 7: this kind of pedaphocracy, and so basically they're getting orders
Speaker 7: from this Belgium castle, and the castle to this day
Speaker 7: people have tried to infiltrate and everything else. They've got
Speaker 7: massive security around it, and there doesn't appear to be
Speaker 7: any you know, overt reason for it other than the
Speaker 7: fact that all of these you know, politicians and everybody
Speaker 7: else can be seen driving up there and basically getting
Speaker 7: orders from headquarters.
Speaker 3: That's wild.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah it is. And actually the next one that
Speaker 5: I wanted to talk to you guys about it's governmentee too.
Speaker 5: But it's not in Belgium, obviously, it's here. But like,
Speaker 5: have you guys ever to the Franklin cover up? The
Speaker 5: Franklin scandal?
Speaker 2: We covered that, oh you did, yeah, when lux was.
Speaker 5: Around okay, ancient history b C.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, b L before looks the show has
Speaker 4: been around longer than he was, so at least that's
Speaker 4: good now without it's been around without him.
Speaker 5: But yeah, so the Franklin scandal, it was a lot
Speaker 5: like what was happening in Belgium with Mark Dutreau, but
Speaker 5: it was over here and it was a politician guy
Speaker 5: is black Republican guy, Larry King, not the top show
Speaker 5: fucking house.
Speaker 4: Okay, you know what it was greater, you know, it
Speaker 4: was great about that when Julia that was all Republicans,
Speaker 4: right right, right, people. That's that's why it's not that
Speaker 4: popular because it wasn't all Democrats.
Speaker 5: Oh, speaking of Republicans, let me just throw this in there,
Speaker 5: because it's in Program to Kill. I don't know what
Speaker 5: side of the fence anyone's on. I am not on
Speaker 5: either side, okay. But Donald Trump, okay, was friends with
Speaker 5: this guy he's mentioned in Program to Kill. His name
Speaker 5: was Roy Kohane, and he was a known gay pedophile
Speaker 5: and he got other gay people removed from their positions
Speaker 5: in the office. They called it like the Violet Scarer,
Speaker 5: the Violet Scandal or something like that, and then turned
Speaker 5: out he was the biggest gayest pedophile out of all
Speaker 5: of them, and he was besties with Donald Trump. And
Speaker 5: also Donald Trump is besties with Epstein, although he doesn't
Speaker 5: seem to remember that shit. And it's like, I'm sorry,
Speaker 5: you're not gonna convince me that he's just oblivious to
Speaker 5: all this shit. His best friend, this Roy Cone guy,
Speaker 5: he wasn't to have like little boy parties at his house.
Speaker 5: You didn't invite all of his politician friends over and stuff.
Speaker 4: You remember Bill Barr, that was, you know, supposedly Trump's boy,
Speaker 4: that was gonna, you know, help take down all these
Speaker 4: pedophile rings.
Speaker 2: He he was around.
Speaker 4: He was around during the Franklin scandal and somebody brought
Speaker 4: stuff to him and said, Yo, we think something's going
Speaker 4: on here. He looked at Nope, nothing to see here.
Speaker 4: Same thing he did with Epstein Ship. I'm telling you,
Speaker 4: I swear to God that guy's put in position to
Speaker 4: let ship slide. Bill barrright, yeah, Bill Barr, Yeah, Bill Barry, Yeah,
Speaker 4: Bill Barr, Yeah, Bill Barr.
Speaker 3: Will Bar's neck team, whatever neck he has. He's a
Speaker 3: nect eve in the rank concert scandal.
Speaker 8: He was out at his having an undercover intelligence name
Speaker 8: there and seen it multiple sites, including me in Arkansas,
Speaker 8: so by numerous witnesses. So that dude is definitely scandalous.
Speaker 8: But yeah, speaking of roy Cone, he's a court of
Speaker 8: Maury Terry, the files of Molitary had Ron, member of
Speaker 8: the process.
Speaker 5: Are you talking about, uh, the Maury Terry? Are you
Speaker 5: talking about the ultimate evil or sure yep yep.
Speaker 8: And within his files he didn't mention it in the book,
Speaker 8: but within his files he has Roy Cone listed as
Speaker 8: a member of the process of the children there, the
Speaker 8: unter Meer cult, contingent of the process. And also in
Speaker 8: that group is a fellow that grew up in Westchester
Speaker 8: County and part of the children there listed in the
Speaker 8: Terry Files who happens to be a banker out in Omaha,
Speaker 8: Nebraska to day.
Speaker 5: And he gets off Scott for you, right.
Speaker 8: Not only that, he's in a site where you know
Speaker 8: where the Franklin scandal was the headquarters of it is
Speaker 8: with bankers and Omaha, Nebraska.
Speaker 3: So you have a member of the children identified in
Speaker 3: the Terry.
Speaker 8: Files who was part of the Westchester cult, contingent of
Speaker 8: the process. The minute at Utremeyer Park, you know, it's
Speaker 8: largely responsible attributed to the Son of Sam murders and
Speaker 8: additional murders on top of what is known as the
Speaker 8: Son of Sam murders. But yeah, one of those guys
Speaker 8: from the is a banker out now all today, a
Speaker 8: VP has been out there for almost thirty years.
Speaker 3: He runs a bank out there. So I find that
Speaker 3: very odd.
Speaker 5: Well fucking nuts. Oh sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 7: One of the most interesting parts of Roy Khone's history
Speaker 7: is his acting as a legal counsel to a lot
Speaker 7: of the mobsters in New York. So the mobsters would
Speaker 7: hire him, He'd come into the courtroom, and everybody in
Speaker 7: the courtroom would now stop badgering the mobsters and started
Speaker 7: treating them with some more respect because Roy con had
Speaker 7: dirt on all of the court officers, and so he
Speaker 7: was very influential in the late eighties when the FBI
Speaker 7: was going after all the mobsters.
Speaker 5: He's a fucking piece of shit in what he is,
Speaker 5: and I just I you know, sometimes the company you
Speaker 5: keep says a lot about you. And so I'm not
Speaker 5: friends with any pedophiles that I know of. I'm not
Speaker 5: friends with any murderous douchebags that I know of. So
Speaker 5: if your friend group includes more than one murderous pedophiling douchebag,
Speaker 5: I mean you start wondering maybe this guy is a murdering,
Speaker 5: pedophiling douchebag. That's all I'm saying. Again, I don't you know.
Speaker 5: I know a lot of people are trumping and a
Speaker 5: lot of whatever, but it is what it is. As
Speaker 5: far as that goes. And it's the same with this
Speaker 5: Franklin scandal stuff, because it was basically a black Republican
Speaker 5: guy who was invested in a bunch of like loans
Speaker 5: and savings companies, and he was also doing like charitable
Speaker 5: stuff with Boystown I think it was, And so I
Speaker 5: guess they were funneling boys out of this Boystown, which
Speaker 5: was like a halfway house or an orphanage of kind,
Speaker 5: and they were taking him and doing all this blackmail
Speaker 5: stuff with them. And one of the most known survivors
Speaker 5: of this, I guess you could call him is a
Speaker 5: guy named Paul Banassi, which I'm sure a lot of
Speaker 5: you are familiar with. And this guy's incredible because if
Speaker 5: he's telling the truth, if everything, it almost makes me
Speaker 5: wonder how he's able to say the amount of stuff
Speaker 5: that he says and get away with it. But if
Speaker 5: half of the stuff he says is true, holy fucking
Speaker 5: shit balls. I mean, have you guys heard this guy talk.
Speaker 5: He's got like seventeen personalities.
Speaker 4: Oh I've seen yeah, Yeah, I watched his Yeah, we
Speaker 4: kind of covered his interviews on the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, some wild stuff story list.
Speaker 5: You said you saw it?
Speaker 7: Oh, yeah, I've seen the book on the Franklin cover up,
Speaker 7: and the stuff that Banassi was saying went right back
Speaker 7: to the very first kid they ever put on a
Speaker 7: on a milk cart.
Speaker 3: So he's like.
Speaker 8: Johnny Gosh, Hey, john Anton Pats is the first milk
Speaker 8: card boy, I think though, But ye, Johnny Gosh.
Speaker 5: Was the first, second one.
Speaker 6: I think.
Speaker 3: You was the first paper boy.
Speaker 8: It was that paper boy craze of going missing their eighties.
Speaker 8: He was the first one of that that whole scare.
Speaker 8: I remember that scare.
Speaker 10: Now? Is he the one who was taking to the
Speaker 10: Elephant Rock in Colorado? Was that Johnny Gosh?
Speaker 3: Supposedly?
Speaker 8: Right, so that some of that story from Bonanci seems
Speaker 8: to check out, I know, and following some of that
Speaker 8: story in years with the author, they found that house
Speaker 8: that Bananci tells about in Colorado.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and shout out the thrash on this one. That's
Speaker 10: right by Monarch Mountain, so you know, you know with
Speaker 10: the whole clockwork orange thing going on, you know, the
Speaker 10: Monarch Mountain or not clockwork orange, but the shining the
Speaker 10: monarch poster. So it's just a little same there. The
Speaker 10: house is right by that mountain out there and there's
Speaker 10: a lot of weird stuff that goes on in that area.
Speaker 5: So, I mean, Paul Banasi says all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 5: He says Bohemian gross stuff. He says stuff about Hunter S. Thompson.
Speaker 2: He brought up a Quino, didn't didn't he bring up
Speaker 2: a queen?
Speaker 3: I believe the stuff.
Speaker 4: I think I'm pretty sure he brought up Michael Aquino specifically, Yeah.
Speaker 7: He did.
Speaker 5: He he addressed him as the colonel and he was
Speaker 5: supposedly in charge of all this bullshittery. So the way
Speaker 5: Paul Pinnasi, and again it does go back to the
Speaker 5: Johnny Gosh kid because he says that they they Paul
Speaker 5: Banassi was there when he was taken, they did all
Speaker 5: kinds of messed up stuff.
Speaker 6: To him, and.
Speaker 5: Maybe they killed him. I don't remember if he said
Speaker 5: so or not. But Paul Banasi they always talk about,
Speaker 5: well he didn't, there was no trial, there was no
Speaker 5: case or whatever. He actually took Larry King to civil
Speaker 5: court and did end up winning that case against him,
Speaker 5: and I think Larry King had to pay him like
Speaker 5: a million dollars or something like that. But when people say, oh, well,
Speaker 5: there's nothing to support this Paul Bannasi's crazy and he
Speaker 5: made all this up. He won his case in civil
Speaker 5: court against Larry King, so I mean he was able
Speaker 5: to convince a jury obviously or a judge that this
Speaker 5: all happened. So it just gets you to think, and maybe,
Speaker 5: you know, all the stuff he's saying is true. I
Speaker 5: don't know, maybe it's a little true and a little lies.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think it's at least partially true. Have
Speaker 5: you guys heard about any of that stuff with the trial.
Speaker 4: Well, I've I've heard about some of the stories that
Speaker 4: he just even you know he told, especially with that
Speaker 4: girl too. But uh, in my opinion, even if you
Speaker 4: think about the day's in the time that it was at,
Speaker 4: like the date I forgot how long ago, my opinion,
Speaker 4: Like when he gave descriptions of like where these places are,
Speaker 4: he would be telling you, like what's on the corners
Speaker 4: of the streets. Oh, it's over that's on the other
Speaker 4: side of the street, Like he just give painting a
Speaker 4: visual picture like so like you could tell he was
Speaker 4: probably really there, you know. So it's like I don't
Speaker 4: think they had map quest then and he I don't
Speaker 4: think he was like Google Earth, you know, Google Earth.
Speaker 4: So odds are then like the unless it was scripted
Speaker 4: for him to read and to know prior my opinion,
Speaker 4: some of the stuff he says I do think is
Speaker 4: true because it's just the it's almost as if you
Speaker 4: like he's describing it as he really was there.
Speaker 5: I agree.
Speaker 7: That's That's one of the things about Paul Banasi is
Speaker 7: he would actually document things like graffiti, yeah, inside of
Speaker 7: a McDonald's, and it's like, well, how could he possibly
Speaker 7: know that? People went back and checked out his work
Speaker 7: and found all of the things that he was talking
Speaker 7: about in that book about the Frankly cover up.
Speaker 5: And that kind of leads me back to Michael Achino
Speaker 5: because he talks about Michael Aquino, like I said, he
Speaker 5: calls him the Colonel. And then if you really get
Speaker 5: to dig it into the colonel quote unquote, there's this
Speaker 5: stuff about the Presidio Air Force Base daycare. I want
Speaker 5: to say, was it the daycare or a first grade,
Speaker 5: second grade something like that?
Speaker 9: Yeah, the city Army Okay, it was a daycare.
Speaker 5: Yeah. So in Program to Kill it kind of outlines
Speaker 5: how the Presidio Air Force Base basically if Michael Aquino
Speaker 5: is the colonel or whatever, and he's running all this. Basically,
Speaker 5: they have an understanding that these kids are easily drug
Speaker 5: and taken to Michael Aquino's house for programming, and a
Speaker 5: couple of the kids started talking about it, and they
Speaker 5: would say like, we'd drink a pink, sleepy drink and
Speaker 5: then mister Gary touches our no no spot, and then
Speaker 5: we're taken to the colonel's house quote unquote, and they
Speaker 5: would say that he looked like Mickey Mouse. If you
Speaker 5: look at a picture of Michael Achino how he used
Speaker 5: to style his hair and shit, he did look like
Speaker 5: fucking Mickey Mouse. It was fucking ridiculous. Go and look
Speaker 5: at a picture of it. But anyways, they would say
Speaker 5: that he looked like Mickey Mouse. They would say that
Speaker 5: they were watching videos of animals getting torn apart, that
Speaker 5: they were getting asked to tear animals apart. They were
Speaker 5: eating shit and drinking piss and getting shit and pissed on,
Speaker 5: and then they were coming home. Of course, they cleaned
Speaker 5: him up and stuff and sent him home, and a
Speaker 5: couple of the kids started remembering this shit and telling
Speaker 5: their parents, and the parents filed a suit against Michael
Speaker 5: Keino and Michael Keino was like, fuck you, I'm going
Speaker 5: to do you for defamation, and guess what, he walked away.
Speaker 5: Scott Free didn't have to fucking you know, own up
Speaker 5: to any of this shit. And Paul Banassi, I mean,
Speaker 5: it's crazy, Actually, do you guys know about this stuff?
Speaker 6: Right? Well?
Speaker 7: At the presidio he claimed that they were coming after
Speaker 7: him because he was a Satanist. They're like, oh, this
Speaker 7: is all just satanic panic. But that it turns out
Speaker 7: in the documents related to what's that cult called in DC,
Speaker 7: you know this one JJ, But there's this called document Yeah,
Speaker 7: the finders called there you go, and the finders called
Speaker 7: documents they actually talk about the presidio and talk about
Speaker 7: that there were these tunnels under the daycare that these
Speaker 7: children described, and that didn't come to light until, you know,
Speaker 7: twenty years after the fact. But there was somebody at
Speaker 7: least on that case. I believe it was the guy
Speaker 7: who was a customs official who was looking into it.
Speaker 7: That the FBI and the CIA were feuding over, you know,
Speaker 7: who gets to release it, and the CIA was covering
Speaker 7: up all the stuff about the the finders. But the
Speaker 7: exact same type of methodology talked about in The Finders
Speaker 7: with these sacrificed animals was one of the things that
Speaker 7: was also used by the the Akino cult out in
Speaker 7: the Presidio. So there's a huge crossover between the two
Speaker 7: that apparently the CIA doesn't want coming to light because
Speaker 7: the Finders was basically a CIA front group.
Speaker 8: Well, they're rumored to make the best born the best
Speaker 8: child for in the CIA is they sell to everybody.
Speaker 8: It's a big profitable scheme for them. The other foreign
Speaker 8: intelligence agencies.
Speaker 3: M I actually have the Oh so America is good
Speaker 3: for something right here in America.
Speaker 11: One of the things, dude, there was oh go ahead, no, no, no,
Speaker 11: it's okay, go ahead, go ahead, Oh no, I'll.
Speaker 5: Just say it really quick. There was something in Program
Speaker 5: to Kill about There was a child porn website and
Speaker 5: they had like a whole HR department and a fucking
Speaker 5: receptionist for the front desk and all this ship. It's like,
Speaker 5: who's calling with an HR complaint? Who's calling with a
Speaker 5: fucking I issue? Like, are you serious? Anyways? Go ahead, Lisa.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 11: One of the things that that to me stuck out
Speaker 11: with Bonacci's whatever his telling was, is that if you
Speaker 11: kind of now like look back and so much has
Speaker 11: come to light now with these quote unquote serial killers,
Speaker 11: these quote unquote cults, the ones that have this tie
Speaker 11: to intelligence. Cult serial killers or anything like that, all
Speaker 11: have the same hallmark, the cannibalism, the satanic, the child
Speaker 11: the snuff, the everything. And so to me, the way
Speaker 11: I grew up and I grew up in doctrinated that
Speaker 11: serial killers are real. And you know, this was a
Speaker 11: thing that they all have their own signature, right, they
Speaker 11: all have their own methodology, they have their own fingerprint,
Speaker 11: so to speak. And yet no one's looking at the
Speaker 11: fact that the government's fingerprint is all over this. This
Speaker 11: is how they do business, right, and no one has
Speaker 11: kind of really tied all that, you know in with
Speaker 11: it all, I mean, except for this book. But it
Speaker 11: seems like it's over and over. Everything is redundant in
Speaker 11: the same mo.
Speaker 5: Well, I agree.
Speaker 7: What are the reasons why Michael Aquino was so protected
Speaker 7: by the US Army and so integral to their work
Speaker 7: was his book mind War and Mind War was part
Speaker 7: of the army curriculum about how to engage in psyops,
Speaker 7: and so he was so influential because of the fact
Speaker 7: that he had the experimental knowledge to sort of transfer
Speaker 7: all of this child abuse into working propaganda techniques, and
Speaker 7: he claimed it was a way to put an end
Speaker 7: to war, and he was doing it peacefully, but really
Speaker 7: what he wanted to do is to use basically wind
Speaker 7: ups and children that had been abused as a method
Speaker 7: of assassination and all the rest of the stuff that
Speaker 7: the NATO forces and everybody else can now use in
Speaker 7: times of great civil strife to try and push these
Speaker 7: societies into either civil war or regime change or any
Speaker 7: of the rest of the stuff that would be useful
Speaker 7: around the world.
Speaker 5: Going and go to the next one, unless you guys
Speaker 5: are okay. So it kind of dovetails with the Presidio
Speaker 5: Michael Lochino stuff because in another part of California there
Speaker 5: is this McMartin preschool trial thing, and it's just like
Speaker 5: the Presidio daycare. These kids are coming home, preschool aged
Speaker 5: children coming home and telling their parents that they're getting touched,
Speaker 5: that they're stuff going on. And one of the first parents, gosh,
Speaker 5: I'm forgetting her name, Judy Johnson, I think is her name.
Speaker 5: She was the first parent of one of these kids
Speaker 5: to step forward and say that I think there's something
Speaker 5: going on here. My kid is saying this stuff, and
Speaker 5: she took him to like a primary care physician or
Speaker 5: a pedes doctor whatever, and they did a bunch of
Speaker 5: tests on him. And there's one test. I'm not making
Speaker 5: this up. It's called the anal wink test. And they
Speaker 5: do it on kids or whoever as part of like
Speaker 5: almost like a rape kit type thing. And these kids
Speaker 5: are showing clear and evident signs of being sexually abused,
Speaker 5: and they're talking about getting taken under the school in tunnels,
Speaker 5: and you know, it's it's getting crazy, and so this
Speaker 5: whole trial gets started up. I can't remember the number
Speaker 5: of kids, but I think it was like over fifty,
Speaker 5: maybe one hundred kids. Parents are part of this trial,
Speaker 5: and they hire like this court appointed psychiatrist to talk
Speaker 5: to all these kids and verify their claims. And they
Speaker 5: talk to all the kids. They come back and they say,
Speaker 5: you know what, we think these one hundred and twenty
Speaker 5: six point two children are all suffering from false memory syndrome.
Speaker 5: And they've been all convinced that this is reality, but
Speaker 5: it's just a dream and they're all having false memory syndrome.
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know what you guys have to
Speaker 5: say about that. But imagine your kid preschool age, coming home,
Speaker 5: you take them to the doctor, there's like, yep, there's
Speaker 5: been stuff going on here, and then you go to court,
Speaker 5: you get all the way to the trial and they
Speaker 5: say we're sorry you in one hundred and twenty six
Speaker 5: of your kid's friends are all suffering from false memory syndrome.
Speaker 5: Like you tell me what preschool age kid knows to
Speaker 5: put those type of details into a story, and what
Speaker 5: type of pre school age kid knows about sexual stuff?
Speaker 6: You know that it definitely insane. Yeah, it's crazy. I
Speaker 6: would I would be going to jail, Let's put it
Speaker 6: that way, because I would do something.
Speaker 5: I should be down there tearing bitch's faces off. I
Speaker 5: would be that, uh if my kid said something like
Speaker 5: that to me. But I mean hadless you guys heard
Speaker 5: of this stuff?
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, I think yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean didn't some of the.
Speaker 10: I was just gonna say, I mean some of the
Speaker 10: parents that made enough noise ended up getting taken out,
Speaker 10: didn't they? Or miss Mysterious things happened to some of them.
Speaker 5: So that Judy Johnson, the first mom that came forward
Speaker 5: with her kid a week before she was set to testify.
Speaker 5: She showed up in her home dead of what they
Speaker 5: call a heart attack. And then they were like, well,
Speaker 5: you know, Judy was a fucking alcoholic, she was a
Speaker 5: fucking prastitute, choose Flashner's shit all around town. None of
Speaker 5: that shit was true, and she wasn't an alcoholic. And
Speaker 5: actually she only had started drinking a little bit here
Speaker 5: and there after the trial started. I mean, you could
Speaker 5: imagine you'd want to stiff one, like, with all that
Speaker 5: shit going on, you cannot tell me that makes you
Speaker 5: an alcoholic. That's it's just ridiculous. They say that she
Speaker 5: was such an alcoholic that she had a heart attack
Speaker 5: in her house and just died a week before she's
Speaker 5: supposed to testify.
Speaker 7: I mean, come on, guys, Well, the False Memory Syndrome
Speaker 7: Foundation was started by these abusive parents whose daughter had
Speaker 7: remembered these memories of being abused as a child and
Speaker 7: blamed her parents for it. And so not only did
Speaker 7: you have the False Memory Syndrome Foundation, which brings up
Speaker 7: another angle is the foundations and all these I guess
Speaker 7: nonprofit organizations have their fingerprints all over this stuff. As
Speaker 7: soon as something comes up, you get descended upon by
Speaker 7: all these different organizations that are now there to discredit
Speaker 7: the children. And what's interesting too is not only did
Speaker 7: you have the False Memory Syndrome Foundation, you also had
Speaker 7: a psychologist from out in Utah, one of these uh
Speaker 7: I guess fixers for the the you know, Utah chapters
Speaker 7: of these different organizations, that was literally implanting memories as well.
Speaker 7: So you have both sides of the equation being forced
Speaker 7: on these kids, so that there are some kids with
Speaker 7: false memories. And then you also have a False Memory
Speaker 7: Syndrome Foundation. Ralph Underwagger for the False Memory Syndrome Foundation,
Speaker 7: he was one of the clergy that they would use
Speaker 7: as sort of their cover was actually hot with child pornography,
Speaker 7: so the entire organization was was completely corrupted. Still, look
Speaker 7: up the False Memory Syndrome Foundation website where they're you know,
Speaker 7: basically saying, we need to stop these psychologists from implanting
Speaker 7: memories into our children. Now, if you think about the
Speaker 7: improbability of having the type of conspiracy that would create
Speaker 7: these false memories for children, you have to also understand that,
Speaker 7: you know, there would be an industry there that would
Speaker 7: be exploited. So you've got both sides of the coin
Speaker 7: sort of working together, just obscure and throwing much garbage
Speaker 7: on top of this whole thing, sort of the industry moving.
Speaker 5: Mhm, JJ, were you going to say something earlier? I
Speaker 5: don't know if I cut you off or.
Speaker 2: Anything, JJ, he might be stuck.
Speaker 5: Actually, oh okay, I was going to say. I thought
Speaker 5: he was going to say something, but maybe he's frozen.
Speaker 6: The head was the psychiatrist you were talking about. Is
Speaker 6: that Barbara Snow.
Speaker 7: I forgot her name, but that's.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And then she worked wissle with that Teal Swan
Speaker 6: who's like, uh, you know, life guru, now tell you
Speaker 6: to just kill yourself so you reincarnate and come back.
Speaker 6: Your life is ship ah fuck, people have done it.
Speaker 7: Teal Swat is all over these ads, all over Facebook
Speaker 7: and Instagram.
Speaker 5: I'm sure she is. Yeah, yeah, but you know what
Speaker 5: they did to these cities. Oh no, I'm not gonna
Speaker 5: cut you off again this time, you go, Lisa.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 11: I was gonna mention something about the false mentionory, some
Speaker 11: false memory syndrome. But I don't know if JJ is
Speaker 11: going to say something, and so I don't want to
Speaker 11: take his thunder, So go ahead. I think we're gonna
Speaker 11: probably say the same thing. So I'll let you go
Speaker 11: no no, go go go.
Speaker 3: No by all means okay.
Speaker 11: So, and we've covered this on the Occult Rejects. So
Speaker 11: and please JJ, please in because you were on the
Speaker 11: show at the same time. So we kind of talked
Speaker 11: about the psychiatrist Elizabeth Loftis, who is well known for
Speaker 11: the false memory syndrome. And so Elizabeth Loftis, might I
Speaker 11: mention got her PhD from Stanford, which we all know
Speaker 11: that Stanford's very well connected to Esslon all kinds of
Speaker 11: think tanks, cults, what have you, right, But she's also
Speaker 11: been you know, somewhat of a consultant on the O. J.
Speaker 11: Simpson trial, on I think Weinstein's trial, and then believe
Speaker 11: it was her that was asked for specifically by name
Speaker 11: by Gailaine Maxwell. The other person that was asked for
Speaker 11: by Gislaine Maxwell was Park Deats and Elizabeth Loftis belongs
Speaker 11: to the firm of Park Deats. Park Deats is the
Speaker 11: forensic psychiatrist that was called in for the following trials
Speaker 11: Robert John bart Do, John W. Hinkley, Betty Broderick, Jared
Speaker 11: Lee Lofner, and other serial killers like Joel Rifkin, Jeffrey Dahmer,
Speaker 11: Ted Kaczinski, Richard Kazinski. I don't know the list goes on,
Speaker 11: but anyway, so it's all connected, yes, to that whole
Speaker 11: false memory syndrome.
Speaker 12: Oh my god, have you guys ever heard of this
Speaker 12: debunker guy from the eighties, the amazing Randy.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, what was he?
Speaker 5: What was he debunking?
Speaker 7: Debunk psychics, psychic phenomenon or whatever. And so he was
Speaker 7: a member of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation. I think
Speaker 7: he was a board member. And this guy, uh, he said, well,
Speaker 7: he called some teenagers up on the phone and tried
Speaker 7: to solicit sex from them. He said he was doing
Speaker 7: it as a sting operation for the False Syndrome Foundation.
Speaker 7: So it's like you're trying to sting thirteen year old
Speaker 7: boys into what there's.
Speaker 3: The only research, it's only research, right.
Speaker 8: Memory Foundation is deeply rooted in CIA activities and and
Speaker 8: Satanic activities because the head of the Satanic temple, the
Speaker 8: old boy who goes by the name Lucy and Greeves,
Speaker 8: mister Doug Mashenko. He's a Harvard graduate specializing in false
Speaker 8: memory syndrome psychology, and he's also he also runs the
Speaker 8: process dot org website and very likely the uh satanic
Speaker 8: element of the process today. But hey, that's a different
Speaker 8: story together. So it seems like very processed CIA satanic
Speaker 8: stuff pushing these current false memory syndrome aspects today. So
Speaker 8: it's a very shady, very shady element.
Speaker 11: And yeah memory, Oh I'm so sorry.
Speaker 5: Oh no, I was just gonna say, yeah, they got
Speaker 5: a but they got to get these kids in the
Speaker 5: fucking cult as soon as they can. Sorry, Lisa, go ahead, no.
Speaker 11: No, no, that it rings a bell because y'all did
Speaker 11: a show last night with the Idaho four. So Elizabeth
Speaker 11: Lofts back to the false memory syndrome. She was married
Speaker 11: to the chief guy for the psychology department University of Washington,
Speaker 11: and so she has a lot of connections to a
Speaker 11: lot of the forensic psychology whatever that whenever these huge cases,
Speaker 11: you know, start getting huge coverage, these people are somewhere
Speaker 11: in the background of it all, at least the departments
Speaker 11: or people that are consulting or anything like that. Now
Speaker 11: we have the guy who's supposedly Coburger has been implicated.
Speaker 11: He was a student there at the psychology department. Correct
Speaker 11: forensic psychology department, absolutely yep, or whatever.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that is strange, and there's a lot of weird
Speaker 8: funding speaking of kind of CIA kind of funding to
Speaker 8: those schools. I mean I often asserted the Air Force,
Speaker 8: the CIA, and NASA are the same organization because I
Speaker 8: just used to manage the budget for Air Force cops,
Speaker 8: you know, headquarters in DC, and I kind of came
Speaker 8: to these conclusions through budgetary meetings. But because they're also
Speaker 8: created by the same legislation, the National Security Act of
Speaker 8: nineteen forty seven, and weirdly enough, University of Washington University
Speaker 8: or Washington State University there in the University of Idaho.
Speaker 3: Get weird NASA funding.
Speaker 8: I have some strange NASA research programs there, which to
Speaker 8: me is again just the CIA. So I often wonder
Speaker 8: I had no idea often set of connections there. That's interesting.
Speaker 2: I still think Coburg is a SiO.
Speaker 3: Well, look, it's certainly I see I saw some more
Speaker 3: comments about that from our show.
Speaker 2: I don't I still think something.
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, there was never any bodies taking scene taken
Speaker 8: out of the house, so I mean there is an
Speaker 8: argument to be made.
Speaker 2: I think it's uh. I think Coburg is running like
Speaker 2: a show and then.
Speaker 3: Tracking it all that's right. Look, it's twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: All bets are off, so we're passing me in World
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. That certainly could be going on. I wouldn't.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't rull it out.
Speaker 2: I don't know why.
Speaker 8: It's not a bad idea, And that's exactly what he
Speaker 8: was focused on, right, analyzing the psychology of criminals and crime.
Speaker 4: All right, you want to go on to uh, who
Speaker 4: are we talking about again? Before we got onto coburger,
Speaker 4: that probably said to me bringing.
Speaker 3: In the McMartin false memory syndrome stuff.
Speaker 8: Yeah, in Hollywood, Hollywood's whitewashing the entire subject real quick
Speaker 8: with James Woods mister right twixter Hero didn't start in
Speaker 8: the whitewashing of that.
Speaker 3: I think it was Oliver Stone.
Speaker 8: I think Oliver Stone directed it and James would start
Speaker 8: in it, and they completely actually entire subjects.
Speaker 5: I haven't seen it, but I will tell you if
Speaker 5: you look at the wikiped for the mc martin preschool trials,
Speaker 5: it's nothing. Even they they're like, oh, well, you know
Speaker 5: that basically the parents didn't win against mc martin. You know,
Speaker 5: so no justice. None of these kids got any justice.
Speaker 5: And you know if you look at the Wikipedia, it's
Speaker 5: like they didn't win the trial. So nothing to see here, folks,
Speaker 5: Look away, look away, you know, let's pretend that this
Speaker 5: didn't even happen. They used like some kind of ground
Speaker 5: penetrating radar later over the school grounds and they found
Speaker 5: collapse tunnels under the school and I think one person,
Speaker 5: independent researcher or independent investigator something dug down there and
Speaker 5: found like a Mickey Mouse lunch bag down in the
Speaker 5: collapse tunnels and shit. So it's like the kids, where
Speaker 5: how do you justify the false memory syndrome? Now there's
Speaker 5: actually fucking tunnels and actually fucking Mickey Mouse fucking lunch
Speaker 5: boxes down there.
Speaker 6: So it sounds like the Brooklyn Synagogue.
Speaker 2: Oh it wasn't when we.
Speaker 4: Brought when we talked about Barbara Snow, wasn't there also
Speaker 4: in some way she attached to Mormons. Wasn't that one
Speaker 4: of the reasons why she was brought up, like to
Speaker 4: the like the elders of Zion or some shit like that,
Speaker 4: which was like some Mormon stuff.
Speaker 2: There we go with the elder again some some stuff.
Speaker 4: There was something like that with these zion I can't remember,
Speaker 4: but I do know that when she's been brought up
Speaker 4: twice on the Occult Rejects. One time it was because
Speaker 4: I was covering Mormons.
Speaker 5: So because of the the old Warren Jeff's thing like
Speaker 5: the Zion. Isn't that what he called it?
Speaker 4: I can't remember. It was like a rabbit hole. It
Speaker 4: was kind of like a thing that came off of
Speaker 4: like a topic, and it was just like, oh yeah,
Speaker 4: and somehow it.
Speaker 3: Can beave it victims it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it might have been that.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when that.
Speaker 8: Boy had to go take that press conference and say
Speaker 8: he wasn't a cannibal and his wife didn't did okay,
Speaker 8: and they didn't need kids?
Speaker 3: David leave it.
Speaker 2: Well, didn't like he tell on himself.
Speaker 4: He said the police are investigating him, and they're like, well,
Speaker 4: I actually we weren't until you just said all that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, no one asked the questions like I don't need kids,
Speaker 8: and they're like, whoa, what's the weird thing is?
Speaker 5: That's oddly specific?
Speaker 2: Yeah it was weird. Yeah, Yeah, it's like he rad
Speaker 2: it on himself.
Speaker 3: He did for sure.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, why would you say that? Of all
Speaker 5: the things, just like I don't need asparagus? Okay, neither
Speaker 5: to Rye, but no, I don't need kids. That's what
Speaker 5: you went when that's gonna suck, you totally sold me
Speaker 5: on it. You don't need kids, got it.
Speaker 4: Funny thing is that could be some slime bowl away
Speaker 4: that he got, like like maybe some of the police
Speaker 4: force tipped them off and said, oh, they're going to
Speaker 4: charge you. So then he comes out and says that
Speaker 4: ship and then like, oh, well there's a probable cause,
Speaker 4: you know, saying like they couldntroll them into doing that,
Speaker 4: and that gave them a reason to actually look into
Speaker 4: them sure, because I mean they do you like the criminals.
Speaker 4: I mean they you know, I could see them doing
Speaker 4: that to their own Well.
Speaker 7: I think what's interesting is that Utah is not only
Speaker 7: the home of the Mormons, but it's also the home
Speaker 7: of a really vibrant New Age scene. And what a
Speaker 7: lot of people about that New Age scene is that
Speaker 7: that's basically the release valve for the Mormons. So as
Speaker 7: soon as you run away from the Mormon temple and
Speaker 7: you lose all your family and stuff, you've got these
Speaker 7: Mormon controlled new agers right there with open arms, ready
Speaker 7: to take you back into a new call. So they
Speaker 7: open both sides of this equation, And I think that
Speaker 7: really is symbolic of how most of these things are managed.
Speaker 7: Is that you've got the false memory syndrome foundation, and
Speaker 7: then you've got the new agers that are implanting false memories.
Speaker 7: So at the intersection between the two, you can just
Speaker 7: see that it's nothing but confusion, which is a really
Speaker 7: processed thing to do. You've got the you know, the
Speaker 7: Jesus side of the processed church and the devil signed
Speaker 7: the process church.
Speaker 3: And that's true.
Speaker 4: Oh. I think the way Barbara Snow was connected is
Speaker 4: that they were saying that she was putting false memories
Speaker 4: of child bless station into Mormon.
Speaker 5: Kids heads, right into Mormon kids.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they were saying, all they really weren't touched. She
Speaker 4: put these things into their heads.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, I've if I've watched one documentary on
Speaker 5: Warren Jeff's I've watched a fucking thousand of them, and
Speaker 5: that piece of shit, asshole motherfucker was fucking doing all
Speaker 5: kinds of stuff. There's no way they have false memory anything.
Speaker 5: Did you see his face? He looks like the end
Speaker 5: of a cigarette. He looks like a cigarette. He's disgusting. Okay,
Speaker 5: there's no seeing like if you looked up just it
Speaker 5: everyone in your mind. Just imagine you're opening a dictionary
Speaker 5: and you're flipping to the word Pedophile's the fucking picture
Speaker 5: of Lauren Jeff's Like, that is what I imagine a greasy, skinny, weird, disgusting, lyuntic.
Speaker 5: But the crazy thing is, though, most of these pedophiles
Speaker 5: are like people you wouldn't even ever imagine, and that's
Speaker 5: how they get away with it for so long. Politicians, celebrities,
Speaker 5: people you love, people you look up to, people you idolize.
Speaker 5: They all end up being parts of this shit. Even
Speaker 5: your kids preschool teachers are part of it. I mean,
Speaker 5: think of that scary because you know, you always look
Speaker 5: for like the monster with like the drool like dripping
Speaker 5: from their things, but it's usually your kid's preschool teacher.
Speaker 5: And so one of the last things I had down
Speaker 5: in my notes that I wanted to talk to you
Speaker 5: guys about was something called the Country Walk Babysitting Service.
Speaker 5: I know, if you guys are familiar with.
Speaker 2: This at all, No, this is news to me. Nope,
Speaker 2: the first time on.
Speaker 5: Right, Okay, well, somebody knows. Hey, we're doing all right
Speaker 5: as a society as long as one other person besides
Speaker 5: me knows about like Save.
Speaker 2: The Day Disney, which is business right it's.
Speaker 10: Registered with.
Speaker 7: So there was.
Speaker 5: This guy's name is Frank Fuster. Anybody can look this
Speaker 5: ship up and there's receipts in program to kill on
Speaker 5: all this stuff. He was running a babysitting service with
Speaker 5: his wife out of his home in Florida. He was
Speaker 5: a twice convicted either raper or molester of some kind,
Speaker 5: and he was let out early on some kind of
Speaker 5: parole and decided to open this country walk babysitting service
Speaker 5: out of his house with his wife. Like I said,
Speaker 5: but it's like, is there no papers? You got a
Speaker 5: file to get some type of a like I work
Speaker 5: from home thing, and like I have a company out
Speaker 5: of my house. Like who's letting this guy who's been
Speaker 5: convicted twice and on parole of similar crimes around children?
Speaker 5: Like who's doing this? But I guess everything's fine and
Speaker 5: he gets his license to open up this babysitting service,
Speaker 5: and guess what the kids are coming home talking about
Speaker 5: how they have to cut cats' heads off, and how
Speaker 5: they're watching snuff films and how they're taking a pink
Speaker 5: drink like fucking Starbucks shit and fucking falling asleep and
Speaker 5: all this stuff is happening to them.
Speaker 6: And.
Speaker 5: The parents, you know, try to sue or whatever. They
Speaker 5: don't get very far. And it comes out later that
Speaker 5: this Frank Fuster, the Country Walk baby sitting Service is
Speaker 5: a subsidiary of Walt Disney Company, And so this guy
Speaker 5: who's been twice convicted of similar crimes and is now
Speaker 5: raping and pedophiling his way through neighborhood kids is an
Speaker 5: employee of Walt Disney. Essentially.
Speaker 11: Wow, So I mean it's again Walt Disney.
Speaker 5: Right, Well, you want to talk about some fucking raping,
Speaker 5: pedophiling weird shit there. I mean, I've covered Disney almost
Speaker 5: that nauseum. But he was, you know, involved with all
Speaker 5: those weird secret Germans and shit and fucking NASA stuff.
Speaker 5: And it's like the list of pedophiles in Program to
Speaker 5: Kill Us so long, if I went through all of them,
Speaker 5: we'd have to be here for six more hours. But
Speaker 5: I don't think Disney was mentioned specifically, but Lewis Carroll was,
Speaker 5: and you know, Lewis Carroll's real name is Charles Dodgeson,
Speaker 5: and he was, you know, very influential to the pedophile crowd,
Speaker 5: and he used to take pictures of naked children and
Speaker 5: say that he was just studying them, and people were
Speaker 5: grossed out by it, so he started sketching them, and
Speaker 5: you know, he he's got all this stuff. Thank you, Suzanne,
Speaker 5: I fucking appreciate that. But you know, he's got all
Speaker 5: this stuff. This with the girl that was the inspiration
Speaker 5: for Alice in Wonderland, the real little girl's name was
Speaker 5: Alice Little And before the book even dropped, Lewis Carroll
Speaker 5: had been banned from the residents forever coming back there
Speaker 5: or being there near the children again. So you know,
Speaker 5: he clearly had some weird shit going on. And I
Speaker 5: think if you really read the Walrus and the Carpenter poem,
Speaker 5: it's dank with suggestions about pedophilia. I mean, Lisa, you're
Speaker 5: shaking your head. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 11: Nick and I have gone back and forth with the
Speaker 11: Lewis Carroll thing because he was a huge proponent of marorscript.
Speaker 11: So he wrote a lot of things backwards because he
Speaker 11: had the Iowas condition of like seeing things backwards, or
Speaker 11: he would, you know, have that whole imaging thing, and
Speaker 11: that's where he gets the whole premise for doing things
Speaker 11: backwards in Alice in Wonderland, and there is speculation that
Speaker 11: he may have been keeping the company of certain occultists
Speaker 11: at the time. Whenever he was, he was a quote
Speaker 11: unquote brilliant mathematician. He was very well respected in the
Speaker 11: academic setting, so to speak, which kind of brings it
Speaker 11: all back to when we talk about academics. We talk
Speaker 11: about Robert Maxwell, who was Gilamed Mactwell's dad, and how
Speaker 11: he had all of these academics under his umbrella as well.
Speaker 11: And we're talking about, you know, all kinds of scientists,
Speaker 11: and then we get the connection of scientists to pedophilia,
Speaker 11: scientists to mental manipulation, brain type of experimentation, and so
Speaker 11: to speak. But yes, Lewis Carroll and most of his
Speaker 11: poetry has kind of been censored from what I understand
Speaker 11: because of it. It's not very pretty.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I do think it's fucked up, is what it is.
Speaker 5: I think, Nick, go ahead.
Speaker 4: I do think Crawley ripped him off. He's another person
Speaker 4: that I think Crawley ripped off and reused for you know,
Speaker 4: I mean you could even say maybe some of his
Speaker 4: you know, creepy, perverted style shit could even be somewhere
Speaker 4: kind of like from Lewis Carroll.
Speaker 2: But I even think the Iowas.
Speaker 4: I think that's I think he's I think he ripped
Speaker 4: off Iowa from Lewis caw Yeah, because that's the.
Speaker 5: Name Louis Carroll is is so interesting to me too. Sorry,
Speaker 5: go ahead, Lisa, No.
Speaker 11: No, no, I was just reiterating what Nick was saying,
Speaker 11: is that the actual syndrome is called Alice in Wonderland
Speaker 11: syndrome anything. Yeah, it's Iowas with you go to Crowley
Speaker 11: and he got all of his divination from a guy
Speaker 11: or a spirit named Iowas. Right.
Speaker 5: Oh, that's crazy. I didn't know that shit. I knew
Speaker 5: about the Alice in Wonderland syndrome though, because I did
Speaker 5: like a thing about Disney. I think I don't know
Speaker 5: who I was talking to, But that's crazy, Like the
Speaker 5: there's an actual condition you can have called alis in
Speaker 5: Wonderland syndrome, and it's it's interesting to me that a
Speaker 5: Disney wanted to produce Alics in Wonderland. You know, John
Speaker 5: Lennon was obsessed with the guy. He had a fucking
Speaker 5: stiff one for fucking Lewis Carroll and John Lennon said
Speaker 5: that if he ever had had the chance, he would
Speaker 5: have been incestuous with his mother. So that's that's, you know,
Speaker 5: to take that for what it's worth. But these people
Speaker 5: who become obsessed with Louis Carroll are into some weird shit.
Speaker 5: And you know, Johnny Depp was in like the live
Speaker 5: action when that's perfect role for fucking his ass. And
Speaker 5: so if you look at the Alice in Wonderland, and
Speaker 5: actually before I forget, I just have to say this.
Speaker 5: When John Benney died, which is another episode, Nick, you
Speaker 5: already know this, but when John Beney died, there was
Speaker 5: these things that broke out in the nineties called the
Speaker 5: Wonderland Raids and they were going after pedophiles and they
Speaker 5: called them the Wonderland Raids. So I mean, like this
Speaker 5: whole tie in with Lewis Carroll, it's very I mean,
Speaker 5: it's it's crazy.
Speaker 4: One thing I want to mention too, just real quick,
Speaker 4: that I I remember just now, uh when we call
Speaker 4: it covered the Fellowship of Friends. That's another old one
Speaker 4: that was when Lux was on the show, and I
Speaker 4: highly suggest people to go check that one out who
Speaker 4: are kind of new listeners. It's an old show. But
Speaker 4: it's really interesting cult that we covered. It's called the
Speaker 4: Fellowship of Friends, and we showed how there was a
Speaker 4: connection to them owning some like it was almost like
Speaker 4: a kid's type of pod school, and it was called
Speaker 4: Lewis Carroll School m And we were like, Yo, that's
Speaker 4: a little weird.
Speaker 3: That's pretty creepy.
Speaker 8: Lewis Carol definitely hung around with a lot of other
Speaker 8: pedophiles too, like Roll Doll, the author, Roll Doll, you know,
Speaker 8: Willie Walker.
Speaker 3: Charlie the chocolate factory.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, in that story he has the kids eat
Speaker 8: the snosberries in the in the Wonka factory.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 3: In one of the books he describes he described Snosberry's
Speaker 3: as being dicks.
Speaker 5: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Fuck doesn't really try to hide it, did.
Speaker 5: That's another, by the way, fucking asshole.
Speaker 4: Yeah right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And and honestly that book is creepy as fuck,
Speaker 6: which is I'm just saying.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, you know, Johnny Depp's got ties to
Speaker 5: all these fucking weirdos, fucking Marilyn Manson and ship.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
Speaker 7: Well, I think I think the real innovation behind Lewis
Speaker 7: Carroll and the and the children's books that are like
Speaker 7: that is that it creates this liminal space between what
Speaker 7: is understandable and what makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. And
Speaker 7: so what what it does is it creates a patterning
Speaker 7: in the kid's mind that there's a place that they
Speaker 7: might end up where they don't understand anything, and if
Speaker 7: they just play along that they can get out of it.
Speaker 7: And if you if you look at like the Mad
Speaker 7: Hatter and all these other things, these are not you know,
Speaker 7: stable people, which would you know, be representative of all
Speaker 7: of the pedophiles that they might come into contact with.
Speaker 7: And everybody is off. Everybody has something strange about them.
Speaker 7: Everybody has something that makes them unique and interesting and weird.
Speaker 7: And in showing these kids these these patterns, you can
Speaker 7: actually use this as sort of like a background trigger.
Speaker 7: So if something's going on that the kid doesn't understand,
Speaker 7: they go back into the into the rabbit hole, you know,
Speaker 7: and they're not really in that sort of conscious frame
Speaker 7: of mind that would normally give them the ability to
Speaker 7: you know, say, you know, enough is enough. So if
Speaker 7: that's the if that's the pattern, you can look at
Speaker 7: stories like Pinocchio and all these other ones where it
Speaker 7: sort of takes them outside of the norm and puts
Speaker 7: them into a thoroughly confusing place, and then somehow at
Speaker 7: the end of it they can come back into reality
Speaker 7: to make it sort of obscure from anybody else who
Speaker 7: would be looking into the patterns of abuse.
Speaker 5: I mean, you hit it right on, because I've done
Speaker 5: a lot of research on SRA. I got a friend
Speaker 5: in podcasting. His name is Sean McCann or you guys
Speaker 5: know who he is. He has to Wake the Dead podcast.
Speaker 5: He does a lot of research into SRA. And the
Speaker 5: thing is, they use movies like Alice in Wonderland. I
Speaker 5: think the og in my opinion is the Wizard of Oz,
Speaker 5: But they use films like this to trigger dissociative states
Speaker 5: in children as they're going through serious trauma, usually sexual trauma,
Speaker 5: so they almost send the kid down the rabbit hole.
Speaker 5: That's like the dissociative state like Paul Binassi talks about
Speaker 5: and a lot of these survivors talk about, is basically like,
Speaker 5: you know, you have a trigger in some type of
Speaker 5: phrase something like that, and you go to this disassociative state.
Speaker 5: But in order to do that, you have to go
Speaker 5: through pretty serious trauma. And I mean Paul Banasi had
Speaker 5: like fucking I don't even know how many personalities, like
Speaker 5: twenty or something like that. So you can imagine what
Speaker 5: they would have to do to a person to get
Speaker 5: twenty alter personalities into one person, you know. And there's
Speaker 5: even people who have come out and said, like Barbie
Speaker 5: dolls have played a really big role in traumatizing and
Speaker 5: disassociating girls because they take a Barbie doll, which is
Speaker 5: a whole other episode in and of itself, but they
Speaker 5: take like a Barbie and they're like, you're not Teresa tonight,
Speaker 5: you're Britney, and you know, it's like a trigger for them,
Speaker 5: and they go to somewhere else and then Britney comes
Speaker 5: out and gets raped, and then you know, Teresa comes
Speaker 5: back later and has it's no idea what happened. That's
Speaker 5: the type of shit that they do. That's what they
Speaker 5: work on. I don't think you know, the mind control
Speaker 5: aspect of it and the personality aspect of it. It's
Speaker 5: hard for some people to believe, but they probably have
Speaker 5: it down to a science, and it probably didn't take
Speaker 5: them that long to figure it out. And now it's
Speaker 5: just a process. It's like we're getting at a factory
Speaker 5: pumping out fucking you know whatever soap like they just
Speaker 5: bring the kids in, they do this to them next.
Speaker 5: It's a process and they have it down to a science,
Speaker 5: like it's easy to do this at this point, what
Speaker 5: do you guys think.
Speaker 3: It might be? The process?
Speaker 11: Oh, right, right, process?
Speaker 7: In my opinion, I've had some I've had friends who
Speaker 7: have had d I D before, and what ends up
Speaker 7: happening is you'll have a single traumatizing event that the
Speaker 7: kid cannot come to grips to, and so as a
Speaker 7: self defense mechanism, the mind splits off and creates another
Speaker 7: sort of personality that will protect that original personality from
Speaker 7: anybody harming it again. Because at the very core of
Speaker 7: this whole thing is the idea that the mind will
Speaker 7: protect the ego that started and it'll do so by
Speaker 7: creating these personalities. So Paul Bonacci, he could still be,
Speaker 7: you know, spiraling off these other personalities as a method
Speaker 7: of keeping that original safe from anybody harming it again.
Speaker 7: Because the one thing that the mind can control is
Speaker 7: the thing that the body can't control. You know, if
Speaker 7: you can control your mind, and that's what this all
Speaker 7: goes into, is if they can create these personalities that
Speaker 7: are hyper reactive and hyper aggressive. Then they can use
Speaker 7: those other personalities to then carry out things that the
Speaker 7: personality would never.
Speaker 5: Dream of doing, like a Venturian candidate type ship, right,
Speaker 5: mm hm.
Speaker 2: M hm, anything else.
Speaker 10: That's the whole thing with.
Speaker 5: Oh Go Ahead, Mike.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say that's the whole thing with the Satanism.
Speaker 10: I mean, they might not believe it, but why is
Speaker 10: the intelligence involved in it, and why does it work?
Speaker 2: Why is it effective?
Speaker 10: It's because it's so evil, it's so insane that the
Speaker 10: child can't comprehend it. I mean, son Cat's Heads Off
Speaker 10: is just the beginning. So that's why they do it,
Speaker 10: is because it's so terrible and it's so scary that
Speaker 10: the kid will just completely shut off.
Speaker 5: Mm hmmm. Another state, OH Go Ahead is.
Speaker 7: An exact science, So they need a constant stream of
Speaker 7: victims until they can find the kids that can be
Speaker 7: influenced into creating these alternate personalities. So it's it's even
Speaker 7: sicker when you think about the factory level or the
Speaker 7: industrial level that they're doing this child abuse on to
Speaker 7: try and find one or two of these individuals that
Speaker 7: can then be influenced to harm other people using these
Speaker 7: alternate personalities.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's definitely satanic because I mean, if
Speaker 5: you think about it, it was like Mike's saying. I've
Speaker 5: always said, like wherever on the spectrum you are, if
Speaker 5: you're like Christian, atheist, agnostic, whatever, you have to admit
Speaker 5: that they're doing this shit and they got to be
Speaker 5: seeing results because they just keep doing it and keep
Speaker 5: doing it and keep doing it into varying degrees of horribleness.
Speaker 5: So I mean, if these satanic rituals are working, which
Speaker 5: they must be because they keep doing them, if there's
Speaker 5: a bad, then there's a good. And that is what
Speaker 5: I I always try to remind people about, Like there's
Speaker 5: some really fucked up shit, but at least, thank God,
Speaker 5: there's also a good side of the world.
Speaker 10: You know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well even a lot of exorcists you talk about
Speaker 6: that where like that's the moment that sort of gives
Speaker 6: permission for like a entity to enter is like through trauma,
Speaker 6: you know, So that's when you get d id bipolar. Like,
Speaker 6: not all mental illness is actually mental illness. This is
Speaker 6: sometimes a spiritual problem or a trauma based problem. Unfortunately,
Speaker 6: So like you know, we all know people who've been
Speaker 6: probably abused in our lives, and it's like they didn't
Speaker 6: go through a specific program, but that shit still happened
Speaker 6: to them, right, or even like us just watching these films,
Speaker 6: like even as a kid, I hated The Wizard of Us.
Speaker 6: I didn't know why. I just really fucking hate that movie.
Speaker 6: But then it's like somebody, some adult is telling you
Speaker 6: this is a great movie. You're gonna love it, sit
Speaker 6: and watch it. You're like, feel so uncomfortable the entire time,
Speaker 6: but you're like, this is good for you. You're gonna
Speaker 6: love it. Or read The Witches it's a great book. No,
Speaker 6: actually that book is shitty and it's very uncomfortable. So
Speaker 6: it's like you are already being taught to sit through
Speaker 6: discomfort and be like yeah, that's okay, Like this is
Speaker 6: good for you, and you're like, so, it's like we're
Speaker 6: all being mildly traumatized, like on a mass scale regardless,
Speaker 6: you know, fucking yeah, or you said one hundred fucking
Speaker 6: I actually you.
Speaker 5: Know, And they say, oh, it's for kids. Look, it's
Speaker 5: made just for you. You're gonna love this. It's a
Speaker 5: kid's movie. Fucking half of the half of the Disney
Speaker 5: shit is got like, if you watch it as an adult,
Speaker 5: you're like, is this really for fucking kids?
Speaker 7: Yo?
Speaker 5: Well a movie.
Speaker 6: A movie just came out this Christmas. It was all
Speaker 6: over streaming your stand up with Jack Black.
Speaker 5: Then oh they walk off.
Speaker 6: I watched it by my kids were like. My older
Speaker 6: one was like halfway through, he's like, should we really
Speaker 6: be watching this? And I was like, no, you can
Speaker 6: turn it around. I was like, this is fucked up.
Speaker 5: It's basically fucking literally Satan literally running around and he's
Speaker 5: like making friends with him, like he's a fucking leprechaun
Speaker 5: or some shit, like oh, let me take you to school?
Speaker 5: Is showing tel day everybody, This is my friend, fucking
Speaker 5: Satan iconjured. This is what kids are watching. This is
Speaker 5: the kid's Christmas baby.
Speaker 6: Now a normy say, like a normy family, so like
Speaker 6: not to like put my relatives under the bus, but
Speaker 6: like my sister in law was like, oh yeah, the
Speaker 6: kids thought it was so funny, it was so cute,
Speaker 6: and I was like.
Speaker 5: Are you fucked It's the devil. It's literally the.
Speaker 6: This isn't cute. Let's make friends with the devil and
Speaker 6: like he's funny Jack Black guy, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I love Jack Black. I really that he fucking did
Speaker 5: that Shitjra for God's sake, you know, fucking yeah, it
Speaker 5: was weird. Sorry, I digress.
Speaker 11: One thing I was going to say, just to insert
Speaker 11: real quick, is that when I went to go do
Speaker 11: a quick study of some of Croly stuff at the
Speaker 11: UT Library, they have I think a majority of his
Speaker 11: estate there at the UT Library. You know what other
Speaker 11: estate they also have the Lewis Carroll one, oh shit,
Speaker 11: which I found interested because I was there whatever and
Speaker 11: they were like, oh, are you doing a biography? And
Speaker 11: I was like, oh, I'm just doing a quick study.
Speaker 11: And they're like oh, They're like, we're really excited. We
Speaker 11: just got the Lewis Carroll estate whatever. And I was like, well,
Speaker 11: that's random.
Speaker 5: The Lewis Carroll estate.
Speaker 11: Well, like part of his books, some of the paintings, oh, biographies,
Speaker 11: I mean a journal that guy literally thought it was
Speaker 11: just how they also mentioned that and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 11: people have also not only come seqrally but also looks
Speaker 11: at Lewis Carroll.
Speaker 5: At the same time.
Speaker 11: I don't know, I mean just it was just very random.
Speaker 5: Well, Lewis Carroll is fucking he's fucking you know. He sorry,
Speaker 5: I just have to say this. He was sketching naked kids,
Speaker 5: like fucking Leo and fucking the Titanic type shit, and
Speaker 5: like fucking sketching him laying on couches and shit, fucking naked.
Speaker 5: So everybody who thinks like his all separate the art
Speaker 5: from the artist. Some shit you cannot Alice in Wonderland
Speaker 5: your way out of just saying, right, what are the.
Speaker 7: Deep patterning techniques that Disney movies use. Is the death
Speaker 7: of the parents at the beginning of the movie, so
Speaker 7: automatically it becomes a trymatizing event that then the kids
Speaker 7: sort of like, you know, are like, where's where's my stability,
Speaker 7: where's my you know, stasis point. And once they've you know,
Speaker 7: symbolically in the movie taken the protagonist's parents away, that's
Speaker 7: when things start to happen to that character that then
Speaker 7: sort of compounds into this storyline where then they have
Speaker 7: to make sense of this event and on a subconscious level,
Speaker 7: it can be very traumatic for the kids, and they're
Speaker 7: always doing it in these Disney movies like Bambi and
Speaker 7: several others. It's like the parents die right off the bat,
Speaker 7: and so the kids feel without any security, even if
Speaker 7: they're not really paying attention to the movie. That's something
Speaker 7: that sort of pops up in the background. And how
Speaker 7: many times do kids watch these Disney movies over and
Speaker 7: over again?
Speaker 5: You know, yeahve frozen. The parents are dead too, but
Speaker 5: it almost like normalizes the child to be okay with
Speaker 5: the parents not being around. And it also kind of
Speaker 5: can conditions the kid to think like, oh, all the
Speaker 5: fun happens when the parents aren't around, because you know,
Speaker 5: it's always like, oh, my fucking parents died and then
Speaker 5: I fucking went on this amazing adventure and fucking did
Speaker 5: all this shit. Thank god my parents died at the
Speaker 5: beginning so I could do all this fucking Peter Panning
Speaker 5: shit or whatever it is. That's not Peter Pants specifically,
Speaker 5: but you get the idea they program the kids into
Speaker 5: thinking that's when the fun stuff happens. You don't need
Speaker 5: mom and dad. They're dead to you, Like, that's that's
Speaker 5: important to put in there at an early age.
Speaker 7: Peter Pants specifically, the freest, most awesome hero ever is
Speaker 7: an orphan who lives in this land that has no time.
Speaker 7: So it's it's still that sick.
Speaker 5: It's like kids watch that, they're like, fucking sign me up,
Speaker 5: fucking make me an orphan right now. I want to
Speaker 5: go do it and be fucking Captain hook and shit.
Speaker 5: But even like The Goonies, where the fuck is the parents?
Speaker 5: When the Goonies is happening, we're literally like, where the
Speaker 5: fuck are the parents? But that's what they want you
Speaker 5: to think. They want you to find One Eyed Willie's
Speaker 5: treasure chest when your parents are around. What did you
Speaker 5: think about it? You can ye?
Speaker 6: He breaks the He breaks the statue in the beginning.
Speaker 5: Of the movie too. What in thees? Yes, you know
Speaker 5: he falls off the One Eyed Willie. No, I never
Speaker 5: never made that connection till right now.
Speaker 6: Thanks Julia.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well thanks no to Spielberg, because that motherfucker is
Speaker 5: up to some ship. But like, you know, speaking to Spielberg,
Speaker 5: he's not mentioned in Program to Kill or anything, but
Speaker 5: somebody ought to add him to a list of pedophiles
Speaker 5: because I'm so sure. I mean, look at his fucking
Speaker 5: cast of characters. He's got Heather or Rourke disteriously and
Speaker 5: there's all this these stories about what really happened to her,
Speaker 5: Drew Barrymore, She's pretty fucked up. If you ask me
Speaker 5: and if you if you've got her to say the truth,
Speaker 5: she'd probably tell you all kinds of stuff. I mean,
Speaker 5: he literally only makes movies where it's focused around kids,
Speaker 5: or there's like a lot of kids in it or
Speaker 5: some shit like that. I literally I don't know the
Speaker 5: guy from uh Back to the Future, the guy that
Speaker 5: played Michael J. Fox's dad. His name is Crispin Glover.
Speaker 5: He wrote this big, long thing to Steven Spielberg, like
Speaker 5: why do you touch kids? Why do you have kids
Speaker 5: in scenes with shit and piss all over them? And
Speaker 5: why do you and like, you guys need to go
Speaker 5: look at up. Crispin Glover he wrote this whole thing
Speaker 5: to head Loose. You're nodding, do you know what I'm
Speaker 5: talking about?
Speaker 7: It's horrendous, and nobody paid any attention to it. After that,
Speaker 7: it's like, oh, Crispin Glover, he's a crazy guy. But
Speaker 7: it's like, dude, he's making very specific allegations against one
Speaker 7: of these untouchable directors. And if you notice a lot
Speaker 7: of the directors that got you know, in trouble on
Speaker 7: Twitter for all these pedophilic statements, they're like Hollywood's favorite directors,
Speaker 7: you know, the guy who directed. He got in trouble
Speaker 7: for all these pedophilic statements, and you know what happened
Speaker 7: to him? Nothing? You know, James Gunn again, he got
Speaker 7: promoted again saying it, but nobody does anything.
Speaker 5: No, he got promoted.
Speaker 3: Congratulations, you're a pedophile. You're the CEO of Marvel.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 6: That Dan Schneider guy too, right, what did he say something?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 5: I was thinking about the guy that's in all the
Speaker 5: Happy Gilmore and all that ship weird. What's his name? Steve? No,
Speaker 5: don't say Steve.
Speaker 7: Schneider character would have hot dead parties with people.
Speaker 5: In the cast, and like, yeah he would, he would.
Speaker 7: He had a foot up session and you can see
Speaker 7: what happened to one of his most famous stars. What's
Speaker 7: what's her name? The the one that's basically living on
Speaker 7: the streets now, she had her own show. Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 8: Love She also became best friends with J. J. Bryan,
Speaker 8: the head of one of the process cold off shoots,
Speaker 8: So I really think her a lot of or down.
Speaker 8: It may include Dan Schneider, but it also includes the
Speaker 8: processed Church of the Mandavines.
Speaker 6: Is Dan Schneider also the one involved with Britney Spears's
Speaker 6: sister Jamie.
Speaker 5: Ly Zoey or what was that show called zoe Want Oh.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know those sitting of the show, but
Speaker 6: I think I don't rumor to be the dad, right, Yeah,
Speaker 6: it's like her baby daddy or whatever. It's weird. And
Speaker 6: then yeah, the Nickelodeon logo is the foot Well it
Speaker 6: was for the longest time back.
Speaker 5: In the day. But I mean, if you think about it,
Speaker 5: there are other actors who have tried to come out
Speaker 5: and say stuff like this, this Crisp and Glover guy,
Speaker 5: and it's like they get this and they're reading it
Speaker 5: and they're like, oh, who the fuck are you the
Speaker 5: dad from fucking Back to the future? Fuck you? Like, oh,
Speaker 5: because you're not the fucking level of star or something
Speaker 5: like you can't be taken for your yeah, for your
Speaker 5: word or what I mean. But I mean, Steven Spielberg,
Speaker 5: I don't know if you guys have heard about what
Speaker 5: could have possibly happened to Heather or work, but he's
Speaker 5: a fucking douche packer, right.
Speaker 7: Uh was that Poltergeist?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard some yeah m hm theories.
Speaker 6: I think the girl, the young actress from Jurassic Park,
Speaker 6: the original one, played the granddaughter. She also came out
Speaker 6: and said stuff about Spielberger, and she like refuses to
Speaker 6: go to any like cast like you know, get togethers
Speaker 6: or do any interviews. Nothing. She was one and done,
Speaker 6: one and done movie after that because of Spielberg.
Speaker 5: Wow, I mean think about that. That that's fucking nuts,
Speaker 5: and like it's still you know, I hate to say this,
Speaker 5: but some of them, the people that we idolized the most,
Speaker 5: that we hold on some type of pedestal that like
Speaker 5: they're all usually involved in some weird shit like this,
Speaker 5: And I mean that's pretty much so for the first
Speaker 5: part of Program to Kill, that's pretty much what he
Speaker 5: goes into. It are these pedophile rings and stuff. And
Speaker 5: I know it's hard to believe, and I know it's gross,
Speaker 5: and I know it's hard to talk about, and people,
Speaker 5: you know, dramatize shit sometimes, but if you're going to
Speaker 5: Reprogram to Kill, this is very important information. And I
Speaker 5: think that the first like I said, I think it's
Speaker 5: like ten chapters or something about these pedophile rings. Nothing
Speaker 5: else will make sense to you about the rest of
Speaker 5: the book unless you understand this first. And it's like
Speaker 5: our government is and other governments are run by pedophiles
Speaker 5: and serial killers, and it goes back a long time.
Speaker 10: Benjamin Franklin had little kids buried in his yard. I
Speaker 10: mean they just excavated his house and found stuff like that.
Speaker 10: He was in the hell Fire Club. So it seems
Speaker 10: like this has been the way for a long time too.
Speaker 5: Oh for sure.
Speaker 2: Is there anythink anybody else wanted to bring.
Speaker 7: Up well about the serial killer tip? It's so interesting.
Speaker 7: He points out in the book that all of these
Speaker 7: serial killers are connected to high level politicians.
Speaker 3: You've got.
Speaker 7: Oh man, I'm blanking on his name. They got you
Speaker 7: dressed up like a clown.
Speaker 5: John Wayne Gacy, Yeah.
Speaker 7: John Wayne Gacy taking pictures with Carter's wife at the
Speaker 7: White House, and nobody seems to ask any questions about that.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Ted Bundy was real high up into politics. Jeffrey Dahmer Military.
Speaker 5: A lot of these serial killers are military, the ones
Speaker 5: that like to collect bodies and like fucking necrofile them
Speaker 5: and split them up into pieces and shit. They're usually
Speaker 5: turned out to be military. And one question that I
Speaker 5: did want to ask you guys before we kind of
Speaker 5: sum everything up was I recently spoke with a guest
Speaker 5: and he asked me this question, and it's been lingering
Speaker 5: with me, but he said, what do you think about
Speaker 5: the possibility that a lot of these high level politicians
Speaker 5: or actresses, musicians, whatever, serial killers, they're all just characters, right.
Speaker 5: They play this character of Ted Bundy, the mass murderer
Speaker 5: that killed all these girls, and the real person who's
Speaker 5: playing Ted Bundy, his name might not even be Ted Bundy,
Speaker 5: but he's just playing the role of the serial killer.
Speaker 5: And a lot of these victims could be fake and staged.
Speaker 5: Some of them could be real murders, but it's all
Speaker 5: just like a big show because at the end of
Speaker 5: the day, you can't convict Ted Bundy of murder because
Speaker 5: Ted Bundy doesn't exist. That's a character, right, So the
Speaker 5: person who is committing all these crimes doesn't exist. And
Speaker 5: so the same thing with the pedophile stuff. It's like,
Speaker 5: if they're just a character playing a role, then they
Speaker 5: can do any crime any way they want to do it,
Speaker 5: pedophile as many kids as they want, because they're just
Speaker 5: a character and they don't exist. It's an interesting thought.
Speaker 7: I agree. I think that can be part of it.
Speaker 7: I think one of the benefits of the serial killer
Speaker 7: phenomenon is that you can kill somebody who's really your target,
Speaker 7: and they'll just get swept under the rug of this
Speaker 7: was just a random act by a serial killer who's
Speaker 7: going around, you know, terrorizing the place, so you can
Speaker 7: sneak a bunch of real targets for an establishment that
Speaker 7: wants to get rid of these people into the deck
Speaker 7: of all these random killings them. It's the difference.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, they're literally like employees. They're like characters
Speaker 5: in the CIA, and they get all these bitch and monikers, right,
Speaker 5: the Green River Killer, the fuck BTK, buying torture kill like,
Speaker 5: they get some kind of zodiac and so they're they're
Speaker 5: like characters. They're literally created and they're employed by the CIA,
Speaker 5: and they're they don't the people behind these serial killers,
Speaker 5: like it's just a guy playing a part. Their part
Speaker 5: is the serial killer. They're supposed to murder these bitches because.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, I think they do that
Speaker 2: with other people.
Speaker 5: Politicians for sure. I mean, how many how many Joe
Speaker 5: Biden's have we seen. There's a tall one, a short one,
Speaker 5: one that has detached ear lobes, one that doesn't Okay,
Speaker 5: I mean like there's multiple characters playing the same role.
Speaker 5: Or like multiple people playing the same character. So I
Speaker 5: think that it's true with celebrities. I think they swap
Speaker 5: bitches out. I think, you know, goes across the board.
Speaker 6: So maybe we're all suffering from Alice in Wonderland syndrome.
Speaker 5: Maybe I wouldn't put it fast.
Speaker 11: Do you think that maybe could be a way of
Speaker 11: disguising contract killing.
Speaker 5: It definitely would be helpful, you know what I mean.
Speaker 11: Like if you kill a whole and then throw in
Speaker 11: one that you really needed killed plain but you only
Speaker 11: wanted one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it definitely. It definitely helps with the confusion because
Speaker 5: a lot of people, and this goes back to something
Speaker 5: we spoke about earlier in the episode, a lot of
Speaker 5: people have done some interesting research that the Zodiac killer
Speaker 5: was Michael Achino, and there's all these military boot prints
Speaker 5: found on all the Zodiac victims crime scenes, and they
Speaker 5: describe him as being clean cut, crew cut, military style,
Speaker 5: this and that. And one of the victims was killed
Speaker 5: very close to the Presidio area, the cab driver. There
Speaker 5: was some kids that called into the police and gave
Speaker 5: a description of the assailant, and instead of giving the
Speaker 5: truthful description, they said, there's a freaking black guy running
Speaker 5: around with a gun. Somebody come and get him. He
Speaker 5: just shot a cab driver. They didn't even give the
Speaker 5: actual description that the kids had provided to the police.
Speaker 5: So they were at a wild goose chase chasing a
Speaker 5: black guy that didn't exist, while Michael Lakino's probably getting
Speaker 5: off fucking you know, out of sight.
Speaker 11: Well, i'll plug one of your first episodes with PTK.
Speaker 11: You mentioned Hinckley and how he supposedly confessed to what
Speaker 11: three to six hundred murders or something like that, but
Speaker 11: that in reality and then he got off right, Bush
Speaker 11: pardoned him, But in reality there was no real evidence
Speaker 11: pointing to his death. And they think that maybe he
Speaker 11: was confessing and he was giving actual evidence and it
Speaker 11: allowed for them to close cases, but that maybe perhaps
Speaker 11: he was being fed the information on these crimes and
Speaker 11: he was just going to sit down.
Speaker 6: For a while.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 11: So serial killers themselves may not, be, like you said,
Speaker 11: the actual person doing it, but just a character that
Speaker 11: is playing the part in it to allow for everything
Speaker 11: else to be swept under the rug, and no one
Speaker 11: is the wiser.
Speaker 5: Well, Lisa, did you see something on Netflix called The
Speaker 5: Confession Killer?
Speaker 11: I have not yet.
Speaker 5: Okay, well, it's about It's just like what you were
Speaker 5: saying is about Henry Lee Lucas. They called him the
Speaker 5: confession killer. Okay, yeah, I was gonna say Henry Lee, like,
Speaker 5: this guy's a fucking enigma. This guy they could say,
Speaker 5: we'll give you a happy meal box in two strawberry
Speaker 5: milkshakes if you say you did these five crimes, and
Speaker 5: he'd be like, okay, he And it was like Lisa
Speaker 5: was saying, he admitted confessed to a number of murders
Speaker 5: that he probably wasn't even in town, in the state,
Speaker 5: in the fucking country when they happened, but he would
Speaker 5: admit to it as long they'd be like, hey, we'll
Speaker 5: get you some cigarettes, We'll get you a fucking biscuits
Speaker 5: and gravy. What do you want and they bring it
Speaker 5: into him and then he would just start confessing shit and.
Speaker 11: So stuff like legit evidence. How would know if he
Speaker 11: wasn't part of it?
Speaker 5: Right? And he did say Henry Lee Lucas did say
Speaker 5: that he was trained by a military group that was
Speaker 5: involved with the death Hand of death is what he
Speaker 5: called it, and they were training serial killers essentially. That's
Speaker 5: what Henry Lee Lucas said. I mean, it's fucking wild,
Speaker 5: and I mean it. I really do think that a
Speaker 5: lot of these guys are just playing the role of
Speaker 5: the serial killer and there's somebody else that's doing a
Speaker 5: lot of these murderous things, and then it's just getting
Speaker 5: blamed on one person. When we get into it a
Speaker 5: little bit further, I want to talk about it more
Speaker 5: depth in like a future episode. But some of these crimes,
Speaker 5: you guys, like with gaycy Even and Bundy, like it's
Speaker 5: not even possible for them to have gotten from one
Speaker 5: crime scene to the other in the allotted amount of
Speaker 5: time that they say it happened. It's like Ted Bundy
Speaker 5: abducted this girl and this girl they live so teven
Speaker 5: thousand miles apart, but he got there in fifteen minutes
Speaker 5: and he killed both of them and they're both Bundy victims,
Speaker 5: and it's like, what the fuck? Slow down, Like this
Speaker 5: is this not making sense? So these these serial killers, politicians, celebrities, whatever,
Speaker 5: they're usually characters playing a role, and they happen to
Speaker 5: be murderous, psychopathic pedophiles most of the time. But I
Speaker 5: don't know what you guys think about it.
Speaker 2: I think so well, it goes sure. I think, yeah,
Speaker 2: for sure, some stuff goes on like that.
Speaker 7: I think it goes to the multiple faceted aspect of
Speaker 7: these serial killers. So you've got these police who are
Speaker 7: looking to close as many cases as possible to make
Speaker 7: themselves look good, and try and take all this evidence
Speaker 7: and plant it on one guy so that well, now
Speaker 7: our closure rate is back up to what like seventy
Speaker 7: percent or whatever they what they claim. I know, like
Speaker 7: a third of the murderers that happen in the country
Speaker 7: go unsolved, So they have to have a serial killer
Speaker 7: to sort of base all of their stuff on because
Speaker 7: it makes them seem more competent than they are. And
Speaker 7: then you know, at the same time, you've got the fear,
Speaker 7: and the fear is what produces this response of people
Speaker 7: that gets them to look to the government as being
Speaker 7: the answers, because you know, we're all a bunch of toddlers, basically,
Speaker 7: we can't do anything for ourselves, right.
Speaker 5: And I do think there are some grassroots just psychopathic
Speaker 5: murdering people out there. You know, I've watched true crime
Speaker 5: shows since I was like ten years old. I get it.
Speaker 5: There are actual psychopaths that actually fucking murder their pregnant
Speaker 5: wives and shit like Scott Peterson, And there's actually fucking
Speaker 5: pieces of shit out there that are murdering. But these
Speaker 5: ones that get turned into superstars and get Netflix shows
Speaker 5: based on them, gaycy Dom or Bundy, zach Efron playing Bundy.
Speaker 5: Are you serious? They got the kid from from American
Speaker 5: Horror Story playing Dahmer. They're making celebs out of them
Speaker 5: because they're homegrown. They're proud of what they've done, and
Speaker 5: they're proud of the fact that they're getting one over
Speaker 5: on everyone. And you know, I just think it's so interconnected,
Speaker 5: and at the root of all of this is usually
Speaker 5: Satanism and doing stuff to kids. I mean, like that's
Speaker 5: the sad truth of it. Even these a lot of
Speaker 5: these Gacy victims and shit, it's like, I mean, he
Speaker 5: wasn't even in town for a couple of them, So
Speaker 5: it's like, why why do they always they're always needing
Speaker 5: young men and children and doing weird stuff with them,
Speaker 5: Like it just I don't know.
Speaker 11: One more thing I wanted to insert because it just
Speaker 11: occurred to me what you just said. So these profiling
Speaker 11: of these serial killers that gave them their names, that
Speaker 11: gave them their fame, so to speak, is the behavioral
Speaker 11: science the what is it, the behavioral forensic science unit
Speaker 11: of the FBI. M Ready, those people are already you know,
Speaker 11: questionable in of them themselves. I think the Netflix documentary
Speaker 11: or the series or whatever, I thought it was great.
Speaker 11: I thought it was great acting, whatever. But yes, it
Speaker 11: is a promo for the FBI. For sure. I wanted
Speaker 11: to sign up. Let's just put it that way. It
Speaker 11: was that well done. But now we see how the
Speaker 11: FBI knows every single school shooter or mass shooter, and
Speaker 11: they were always on their radar list. What's not to
Speaker 11: say that they didn't know about these people before they
Speaker 11: were serial killing? Like it's just a trend. It's like
Speaker 11: we've now moved on from the serial killing and we
Speaker 11: are now embracing the mass shooter you know era of
Speaker 11: the FBI, or at least.
Speaker 5: Right because it feels like just when one thing is ending,
Speaker 5: something else pops back up. So, for example, when the
Speaker 5: Zodiac murders had quieted down and people were getting back
Speaker 5: to normal, Ted Bundy got on a plane, flew to
Speaker 5: San Francisco, where the Zodiac murders were occurring, did something
Speaker 5: unknown there, flew back to Seattle, and then became Ted
Speaker 5: Bundy and started fucking murdering bitches all up and down
Speaker 5: the coast. So Zodiac ended, Ted Bundy started. There's a
Speaker 5: lot of fucking shit I'll talk about in upcoming episodes
Speaker 5: that's really fucking suspect about him even being a murderous killer.
Speaker 5: And you know, it's like it's really easy for them
Speaker 5: to get us, through social media and Netflix documentaries and
Speaker 5: true crime shows, to accept a specific narrative and just say, yep,
Speaker 5: that's the bad guy. We got him, he died, fucked him,
Speaker 5: and just be done with it, because nobody wants to
Speaker 5: think the bad guy got away. Nobody wants to think, like, oh,
Speaker 5: the actual serial killers who were murdering all those bitches
Speaker 5: is still out there. I don't want to think that.
Speaker 5: So they're happy to pin all this shit on one
Speaker 5: character just to be done.
Speaker 7: With it, right, And you can see where it messes
Speaker 7: up to like the Gilgo Beach murderers. Like clearly you
Speaker 7: could really you know, capitalize off of the serial killer
Speaker 7: who's dumping all these bodies in the beach. But then
Speaker 7: once they realized, oh, this points directly back to the police,
Speaker 7: they had to kind of scale it back and make
Speaker 7: everybody forget so you can see these patterns of you know,
Speaker 7: how they try to make these narratives, then the narrative
Speaker 7: falls apart, and then everybody forgets about it, you know,
Speaker 7: mm hm.
Speaker 5: And you know, the whole introduction of the serial killer
Speaker 5: went down in the nineteen sixties, in my opinion, the
Speaker 5: same time they started the counterculture movement, the same time
Speaker 5: they started up all this Laurel Canyon shit with the
Speaker 5: fucking you know, military kids becoming star musicians, and it's like,
Speaker 5: what a fucking time to be alive, Like in the
Speaker 5: middle of the sixties when you're getting introduced to counterculture.
Speaker 5: Jim Morrison, fucking uh, if you can't love the one
Speaker 5: you want, love the one you're with, don't take birth control,
Speaker 5: fucking grow your fucking armpit, hair out, and serial killers.
Speaker 5: I mean, they're in one breath telling women to become
Speaker 5: liberated and do stuff on their own and like break
Speaker 5: free and do all this, and at the same time
Speaker 5: they got a guy murdering all the women who are
Speaker 5: doing those things by design.
Speaker 7: I think it's so important to look at the Manson
Speaker 7: family as being the sort of prototype of the serial
Speaker 7: killer model that they used over and over again, because
Speaker 7: you've got this guy who supposedly had a lot of charisma,
Speaker 7: who was clearly on the FBI or CIA radar. He
Speaker 7: was working with a lot of these guys. I mean
Speaker 7: that's something that Dave McGowan goes into detail and the
Speaker 7: weird scenes of the canyon, and he's just connected to
Speaker 7: so many different people inside of the scene that it
Speaker 7: once you put the pieces together, you can't unsee it.
Speaker 7: And you know, meanwhile, Charles Manson never killed anybody, you know, right,
Speaker 7: is the serial killer like model poster boy, And it's
Speaker 7: almost like that actor thing, like he played the perfect
Speaker 7: role for them to use as a springboard into all
Speaker 7: these other areas.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Charles Manson is a character that he's playing.
Speaker 5: I mean, he was m k Oltred, he was you
Speaker 5: know he Oh my god.
Speaker 6: And like.
Speaker 5: The new series that I'm working on called Blood Ties,
Speaker 5: I go into it in a little bit more detail
Speaker 5: about Charles Manson. But I mean, I'm starting to think,
Speaker 5: in my personal fucking opinion, that Roman Polanski was probably
Speaker 5: pulling the strings behind that whole shit. And he got
Speaker 5: out of town so it couldn't look like him. Oh
Speaker 5: I'm out of town. Shooting a movie while my pregnant
Speaker 5: wife and all of our friends are getting massacred at
Speaker 5: the house just so happened to be out of town.
Speaker 5: And like Rosemary's Baby shit there is. They found footage
Speaker 5: of Roman inviting people over to the house to run
Speaker 5: train on Sharon. They were filming like weird you know,
Speaker 5: pornographic shit at their house. They were doing wife swapping
Speaker 5: and like weird rituals and shit at their house. And
Speaker 5: so again, I think Charles Manson is a character that's
Speaker 5: taking credit for a bunch of shit that people just
Speaker 5: wanted swept under the rug.
Speaker 7: Directors. It's all about directing, and I think that's that's
Speaker 7: where the crossover is because you see a lot of
Speaker 7: it now. During the uh, the impeachment trial of Donald Trump,
Speaker 7: they brought in Hollywood direct to film this squad or
Speaker 7: whatever they call themselves, the Special Prosecutors of J six,
Speaker 7: you know, And so they had to have this this
Speaker 7: director come in and fit everything into the perfect little
Speaker 7: package for all the normies to eat.
Speaker 5: Up, you know, mm hmmmm mm one hundred. I mean,
Speaker 5: I hope this gets people to want and to read
Speaker 5: this book, because, like I said, there's so much in
Speaker 5: it that if I sat here until fucking two in
Speaker 5: the morning, we couldn't even get through the first couple
Speaker 5: of chapters. But I mean, I feel like this is
Speaker 5: a good taste test for the beginning of the book.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah, that was great. Did anybody want to
Speaker 2: add anything?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 8: I think one thing that's not necessarily in The Program
Speaker 8: to Kill a book that's come to light since McGowan
Speaker 8: wrote the book, but kind of fits right in line
Speaker 8: with what we're talking about here with the Satanism the
Speaker 8: Program to Kill, you know, the.
Speaker 3: The Hand of Death.
Speaker 8: Bolt is a fellow by the name of Edward Wyn Edwards.
Speaker 8: He was formerly the in fact that the Zodiac Killer.
Speaker 8: He fits into that that conversation as well. So I
Speaker 8: think a lot of these are all Satanic cult murders.
Speaker 8: Manson family included. Polanski was actually in Rome with the
Speaker 8: Processed Church when his wife was getting murdered, and they
Speaker 8: had all sorts of Processed Church connections along with Manson
Speaker 8: there too. So I think a lot of these Satanic
Speaker 8: cults largely wrapped up within this process umbrella, you know,
Speaker 8: function around all these murders. Edward went Edwards though, so
Speaker 8: the Zodiac Killer was one of the surviving one of
Speaker 8: the surviving males in the one of his attacks. You know,
Speaker 8: I think I think it was actually a team of killers,
Speaker 8: part of a satanic cult. They're operating in around the
Speaker 8: presidio where Michael Aikino was. But Edward Wyn Edwards, the
Speaker 8: guy in the hood at Lake Briessa. All the details
Speaker 8: that killer gave to the victims. The male surviving victim
Speaker 8: who was an attorney, has been an attorney ever since then.
Speaker 3: He was in law school. All the details given to
Speaker 3: that guy are all details of Edward Winn. Edward's life.
Speaker 8: He escaped to State prisid in Montana, he murdered a
Speaker 8: prison guard, he fled to Mexico. You know, these were
Speaker 8: all things that made him the number one person on
Speaker 8: the FBI's most wanted list in nineteen sixty one.
Speaker 3: He just happened to do all those things ten years
Speaker 3: prior to.
Speaker 8: The Zodiac when the Zodiac described as activities, that was
Speaker 8: nineteen sixty nine.
Speaker 3: Edwards did all that nineteen fifty nine.
Speaker 8: So Edward Win Edwards also at the same time Henry
Speaker 8: Lee Lucas is dancing around the US claimed to murder
Speaker 8: all these folks. Edward Winn Edwards is making parole for
Speaker 8: an insurance for Audrey burnt down a house in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3: And you know, I think he's one of the fuck
Speaker 3: in this core of folks.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, fuck that guy. I do think it
Speaker 5: could be a team though. For the Zodiac murders, I do.
Speaker 3: I agree with you.
Speaker 5: I think it could have been a team.
Speaker 3: Ritchie Tennant bops.
Speaker 8: That's all like that comment now And yeah, So Edward
Speaker 8: win Ewards was directly connected to the Atlanta child killings.
Speaker 3: For example, he infiltrated.
Speaker 5: I'm going to talk about that in an upcoming episode
Speaker 5: with you guys see Atlanta Child Murders. I'm going to
Speaker 5: talk about that.
Speaker 3: Podcast MS an interesting topic.
Speaker 8: But he's documented as infiltrating that task force. He was
Speaker 8: not a cop, he was not anything. He was a
Speaker 8: high school dropout. He joined the RNs at sixteen and
Speaker 8: got thrown out because he faked a birth certificate. So
Speaker 8: the guy was never He had no qualifications at all
Speaker 8: remotely even to be there. Somehow he infiltrated the Atlanta
Speaker 8: Shy Killings Police Force or the task Force Rial Marietta
Speaker 8: Police Department sargeant's uniform. The uniform was found in the
Speaker 8: home that he burned down in Pennsylvania that he was
Speaker 8: doing time for, when all of a sudden he's getting
Speaker 8: out and Henry Lee Lucas has taken a hit for.
Speaker 8: I think a lot of the murders that Edward Way
Speaker 8: Edwards was responsible for ordering in participating in.
Speaker 5: Oh shit, that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 7: And I really can't be downplayed how integral the military
Speaker 7: is and all of this, because this is where you
Speaker 7: can filter out and find the most psychopathic people who
Speaker 7: joined the military to get away with murder. So when
Speaker 7: I was in that there were several people in my
Speaker 7: unit that really wanted to go to war because they
Speaker 7: wanted to get away with murder. And if you're profiling
Speaker 7: on that level, you're going to find a bunch of
Speaker 7: them who then can be used as a state side
Speaker 7: kind of a psychopath that they can you know, use
Speaker 7: as these serial killers or they're the hit squad working
Speaker 7: in the background of these serial killers so that they
Speaker 7: can take out the targets that they want to take out.
Speaker 5: Mm hmmmm hmm.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: They like mental institutions as well. They do a lot
Speaker 5: of poaching from there too, Like prisons, military mental institutions,
Speaker 5: those are there frequented hot spots for these.
Speaker 2: Assholes, especially experiments on people?
Speaker 5: Mm hmm yeah, like American Horror Story Asylum but like
Speaker 5: on steroids. Should you guys watch that season?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 6: You did?
Speaker 5: You know the German guy that does all experiments on
Speaker 5: him in the basement and ship? Yeah, yeah, that was
Speaker 5: a weird real season for dude. It gives it gives
Speaker 5: me the fucking he be. GB's just talking about it, like,
Speaker 5: out of all the seasons, that one just stuck with me.
Speaker 5: It's really fucking disturbing.
Speaker 9: But I mean, I think.
Speaker 5: Anyone can agree the last place on Earth you'd ever
Speaker 5: want to end up, Like, I'd rather get hit by
Speaker 5: truck before somebody admitted me into a mental institution, like
Speaker 5: straight up, like girl interrupted fucked that ship and.
Speaker 4: That was like a religious place too, so that makes
Speaker 4: it even worse, right, right, all right? Uh, everybody's good?
Speaker 2: Oh good?
Speaker 6: Now?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 7: That there the M K and M culture. Isn't that
Speaker 7: a German word? So it really does go back to
Speaker 7: a lot of this Operation paper Clip, where they brought
Speaker 7: these Nazi scientists who were doing this work back to
Speaker 7: the United States and started using go ahead.
Speaker 5: Oh Lisa, were you gonna say some no, no, no,
Speaker 5: keep going headless.
Speaker 11: It was just something that triggered me about some conversation
Speaker 11: Nick and I had about them WO, the O assassin CIA.
Speaker 2: That's all?
Speaker 7: Oh, well go ahead Germany.
Speaker 2: Oh do you know what the words are?
Speaker 7: I'm looking it up right now.
Speaker 2: Say some of us should have known that, one of
Speaker 2: us at least.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like conspiracy. I lose fucking stars right
Speaker 5: now for not knowing.
Speaker 8: I like Krystle's over the Secret sun Logs interpretation of
Speaker 8: m K being magic.
Speaker 2: Oh is that what he said?
Speaker 5: So?
Speaker 3: Just an abbreviation from the word magic.
Speaker 6: O are.
Speaker 2: That's interesting?
Speaker 11: Interesting?
Speaker 6: I like that one. That's good.
Speaker 3: He's done a job doctor around. I don't want to
Speaker 3: misquote it, but he makes a good argument for it.
Speaker 5: Oh what our argument for what? Oh? The magic?
Speaker 3: Yeah? The MK is really just abbreviations from magic.
Speaker 5: Well, uh, Lisa, tell me about this OSS thing because
Speaker 5: I might have something to add on to that real
Speaker 5: quick before we before we.
Speaker 11: Go, So we Nick and I were discussing because you
Speaker 11: had made mention about I remember which show, which episode
Speaker 11: you had, but you you basically had said how I
Speaker 11: thought you put it brilliantly that people like to think
Speaker 11: that serial killer or any kind of these ritualistic abuses
Speaker 11: or anything like that. They're like, oh, it's the government. No,
Speaker 11: it's satanic, and it's oh it's one and the same. Right,
Speaker 11: So Nick and I were talking about that. I don't
Speaker 11: know if Nick, you want to interject or anything about that.
Speaker 4: Well, I think a lot of them kind of use
Speaker 4: the same technique. Like I do think like these especially
Speaker 4: the CIA, are intelligence agencies. I think they look from
Speaker 4: occultists or they use, my opinion, like kind of stuff
Speaker 4: with like what we're covering tonight. I would say, like
Speaker 4: kind of using magical techniques forcing them on people could
Speaker 4: technically be am akay ultra in my opinion, Well that
Speaker 4: could help like fracture somebody's mind, you know, if they
Speaker 4: don't know what's going on and you're kind of forcing
Speaker 4: it upon them. So I do think like sometimes there
Speaker 4: are one of the same and they go hand in hand.
Speaker 4: I do think the CIA is heavily interested in the
Speaker 4: occult and they're interested in occultists.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, I actually just said that the other day, and
Speaker 5: I promise I'm not stealing this from Nick, but I
Speaker 5: went on the cult of conspiracy to kind of wrap
Speaker 5: up this top. And I said, people get confused because
Speaker 5: they say, is it the government or is it Satanists
Speaker 5: or And I'm like, you're already you're already lost by
Speaker 5: asking that question, because the government and Satanists are one
Speaker 5: and the same thing. I mean, it's like you don't
Speaker 5: have to separate that shit out. You can't say, oh, well,
Speaker 5: this is governmental and this is satanic. Now that shit
Speaker 5: is pretty much like two wings of the same diseased bird.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 11: For and all of the episodes that we're going through,
Speaker 11: I mean, we're seeing that the OSS has Nazi ties
Speaker 11: and if you look back at the Nazi Party, where
Speaker 11: are their origins? OSS? Backtrack to Nazi backtracked to what
Speaker 11: the occult? The occult is the premise of the entire
Speaker 11: Nazi philosophy. And so you look at OSS and then
Speaker 11: up until nineteen forty seven, what happens to the OSS
Speaker 11: It morphs into the CIA, Right, I mean, I don't
Speaker 11: know if I'm saying that correctly, JJ, but you know,
Speaker 11: you have all these intelligence agencies just basically repackaged, rebranding,
Speaker 11: and now we're you know, wearing new suits, We're wearing
Speaker 11: new Yeah. But it's still the same philosophy, it's still
Speaker 11: the same practice, it's still the same memo. And so
Speaker 11: to you know, to your point, it proves it right there.
Speaker 11: This is the this is the actual pedigree.
Speaker 5: Really well, and you know the OSS is just like
Speaker 5: you said, the precursor for the CIA. But fun fact
Speaker 5: of the day, do you know who Jackson Brown is?
Speaker 5: He's big in the Yeah, Jackson Brown, who's big and
Speaker 5: kind of like the Laurel Kenyan era. His dad was OSS.
Speaker 5: So I mean, like, you're not gonna you're not gonna
Speaker 5: get away from any of these counterculture like these major
Speaker 5: artists having some type of military connections or somewhere and
Speaker 5: ship like that.
Speaker 2: Julia Child is always.
Speaker 6: What are you making a joke?
Speaker 5: Ye? Oh my god. Hey, you know the guy that
Speaker 5: hosted the Gong shows he said he was a CIA
Speaker 5: operative and that he killed thirty three people and that. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and he said he hosted the Gong Show as his
Speaker 5: side job. I just learned about this, So, I mean, dude,
Speaker 5: and I think a lot of these celebs, by the
Speaker 5: way that get murdered or they commit suicide, I don't
Speaker 5: think they're actually dead, most of them. And they go
Speaker 5: on there they killed a character off, right, and the
Speaker 5: actual person goes on to do something else. Elvis, Michael Jackson,
Speaker 5: fucking h Robin Williams, like a lot of these. They
Speaker 5: kill Jim Morrison, Yes, I believe that one for sure.
Speaker 5: A lot of people say Jimmy Hendrix as well. They
Speaker 5: kill right, they kill off their main character and then
Speaker 5: they just go on to either A play another character
Speaker 5: or b they just live out the rest of their
Speaker 5: life totally anonymous.
Speaker 6: So Bill Hicks Alex Jones, you cannot convince me that
Speaker 6: that is not Alex Jones.
Speaker 5: Where the god?
Speaker 9: Oh my god, come on, girl, I agree with you.
Speaker 3: That one seems pretty uh, pretty on point with that one.
Speaker 8: The details between the two guys, I mean, the mere
Speaker 8: fact Alex Jones accepts comedy awards and Bill Hicks's name
Speaker 8: should be enough evidence.
Speaker 6: What's that about?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's on video doing it. He's on video accepting
Speaker 3: a warden Bill Hick's name.
Speaker 6: How does that make it?
Speaker 5: Oh my god? Well, I mean, hey, I'm definitely not
Speaker 5: going to put it outside the roma possibility because I'm
Speaker 5: the one who thinks this grand theory about people playing
Speaker 5: characters is sucking true. But it's an example, maybe yeah,
Speaker 5: it's easy.
Speaker 3: I love I love Jim Morrison's Rush Limball though he
Speaker 3: was great.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, I heard that one just recently.
Speaker 3: They have so many similarities, even down to the gold microphone.
Speaker 5: I heard that one. That's a good one.
Speaker 11: Oh my god.
Speaker 8: Fad Jim Morrison looks identical to Russian Lamball, one of
Speaker 8: the last known fellows of Morrison before he died, identical
Speaker 8: to a young Limball, and Limball is deeply connected to
Speaker 8: Spook xav.
Speaker 3: He's for generations.
Speaker 5: I was just talking to my boyfriend Kolby about this
Speaker 5: the other day, and we were talking about, you know,
Speaker 5: the Val Kilmer movie where he plays Jim Morrison. All right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: the Doors. Okay, so he looked exactly like him, performed
Speaker 5: exactly like him, sounded exactly like him, and it was amazing. Right,
Speaker 5: But wouldn't it be a cooler movie if somebody took
Speaker 5: the actual story of Jim Morrison and made a fucking
Speaker 5: movie about it. Like your dad is fucking high level military,
Speaker 5: fucking tnking golf shit, Vietnam War is all your fault,
Speaker 5: and you become like this superstar, fucking Jim Morrison, fucking
Speaker 5: light my fire bullshit and then you fake your own
Speaker 5: death and then you become resal in bah and liked.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's a fucking movie right there. The val
Speaker 5: Kilmer one was cool, but somebody fucking make that a
Speaker 5: movie because that's the what did they say, like, reality
Speaker 5: is stranger than fiction?
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, we would be a better tea for sure.
Speaker 4: I love more entertaining interesting, I'm sure. All right, I
Speaker 4: guess we'll wrap it up now, right, everybody's good, all right,
Speaker 4: Thank you very much again, Julia for coming on. There
Speaker 4: was a lot of stuff that was really fun and interesting.
Speaker 4: Please let everybody know where they can find your stuff
Speaker 4: one more time.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Thanks. I have Cosmic Peach podcasts. It's available wherever
Speaker 5: you listen to podcasts. If you want ad free exclusive stuff,
Speaker 5: you can go on Patreon and look for Cosmic Peach.
Speaker 5: I'm actually working on a new series. I'll give you
Speaker 5: like a little teaser for it. But I watched this
Speaker 5: show called The Dark Side of the Nineties and it
Speaker 5: was just like this a Hulu thing. It was like
Speaker 5: kind of retarded but kind of interesting at the same time.
Speaker 5: And they were talking about the dark side of the
Speaker 5: nineties and like the darkest they went was like somebody
Speaker 5: killed somebody else over a beanie baby, and I was like,
Speaker 5: this is not the dark side of the nineties. Can
Speaker 5: we talk about like Courtney Kurt Cobain and like all
Speaker 5: this great ohj and fucking like, that's the dark side
Speaker 5: of the nineties. So I got like a little project
Speaker 5: bruin with that, and I think some of you might
Speaker 5: be nineties babies, but I think it's all super nostalgic
Speaker 5: and it's interesting and fun to talk about anyways. But
Speaker 5: there's like Heaven's Gate cult and like all kinds of
Speaker 5: shit that broke clues in the nineties. So yeah, so
Speaker 5: you can look forward to that eventually. I'm going to
Speaker 5: try to have it done by February.
Speaker 7: Well sounds good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, Thank you very much. I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 4: I'm almost positive your stuff is already in the bottom
Speaker 4: of my show notes on my end. Yeah, so if
Speaker 4: anybody wants to go check your stuff out, it's there now.
Speaker 4: Thank you all again for jumping on the show. Thank
Speaker 4: you Lisa, thank you Headless, thank you JJ, thank you Teresa,
Speaker 4: thank you Mike, and thank you everybody who jumped in
Speaker 4: on the chat.
Speaker 2: That's what's up.
Speaker 4: They had a bunch of people here and just nice
Speaker 4: seeing some new names from I guess JJ side Headless.
Speaker 4: Thank you all, and that's the end of another Occult
Speaker 4: Rejects until the next one. Everybody be well, La