Speaker 1: Hey everyone, and welcome to another Sasquatch Theory podcast. Tonight,
Speaker 1: we travel into the rugged forest of northern California near
Speaker 1: Mount Lassen, where a veteran logger named Renee shares encounters
Speaker 1: that change the way he sees the wilderness forever. What
Speaker 1: started as a routine logging operation quickly turned into something
Speaker 1: he still struggles to explain. On the very first night
Speaker 1: in camp, Renee says he heard horrific screams echoing through
Speaker 1: the timber from multiple directions, sounds so loud and violent
Speaker 1: it reminded him of two by fours snapping in the darkness.
Speaker 1: But things only escalated one night. Something came directly to
Speaker 1: his window and screamed. Later, while driving a state highway
Speaker 1: at roughly fifty five miles an hour, Renee claims, a
Speaker 1: massive brown creature ran alongside his vehicle on all fours,
Speaker 1: keeping pace before striking the vehicle and damaging it. To Renee,
Speaker 1: it felt personal, as as if whatever lived in those
Speaker 1: mountains was reacting to the destruction taking place in its habitat.
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Speaker 1: let's dive straight into Renee's Bigfoot encounters from northern California. Renee,
Speaker 1: Welcome to Sasquatch Theory. How are you doing today?
Speaker 2: I'm pretty good. How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm doing excellent and it's an absolute pleasure to have
Speaker 1: you on the show today, Renee, If you would tell
Speaker 1: me a little bit about yourself and and your experiences
Speaker 1: from the very beginning.
Speaker 2: Please, Well, I've worked in the woods all my life
Speaker 2: and I'm pretty much retired now, but these things have
Speaker 2: been in my life longer than I ever imagined. It
Speaker 2: took it took a while before I started putting the
Speaker 2: pieces together. There were some weird things that went on
Speaker 2: when I was younger that I never could wrap my
Speaker 2: head around until I finally accepted that these things were real.
Speaker 1: If you would take me back to your first experience
Speaker 1: and put me in your shoes and try to describe
Speaker 1: everything in full detail, please.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I can only tell you the first thing
Speaker 2: I know of, because I'm sure stuff went on before that.
Speaker 2: I blew off. I was staying alone in a camp
Speaker 2: on a logging job in the Northern Sierras, and the
Speaker 2: Hall Road the trucks were going in and out of
Speaker 2: was right beside my camp. They were just driving right
Speaker 2: by during to day. But across that road was a ravine,
Speaker 2: and it was a hill. The trucks were going up
Speaker 2: and downhill. And then there was a crake not too
Speaker 2: far below. But the middle of the night, like two
Speaker 2: in an ring or something. I'm asleep, and I started
Speaker 2: hearing this screaming. Something's coming down the ravine, screaming like
Speaker 2: a woman being burned with a blow torch. I mean,
Speaker 2: just got awful. I'm bloody, murder screaming. And another one
Speaker 2: was coming up the ravine from the creek, and they
Speaker 2: met opposite my camp across the Hall road. Intervene straight
Speaker 2: across the road, and when they met, they stopped screaming.
Speaker 2: It was like they timed it, you know, they both
Speaker 2: got to the same spot at the same time. They
Speaker 2: both stopped screaming and started waking wood. That sounded like
Speaker 2: two by tears. And two by four snapping. I never
Speaker 2: did go over there and see what it was because
Speaker 2: I just thought it must be cougar's fighting or something.
Speaker 2: But it was so loud, and I'm a light sleeper.
Speaker 2: I don't like things waking me up. It made me mad,
Speaker 2: so I opened the door. I told them shut up,
Speaker 2: and they did. And then I don't know, a week
Speaker 2: or two later, one of them came along in the
Speaker 2: middle of night, right up to my camper window and
Speaker 2: screamed like that, and I just about had a heart attack.
Speaker 2: And then while I was still working on that same job.
Speaker 2: I don't know how many weeks it was later, but
Speaker 2: I'd gone to church at night and was coming back
Speaker 2: and I was probably ten miles away as the crow
Speaker 2: flies on State Highway coming down from where Mount Lassen is,
Speaker 2: and there was a high embankment on my right side
Speaker 2: with just red derret and no plants, and I'm doing
Speaker 2: fifty five and this thing comes into my vision from
Speaker 2: my right side and it's catching up to me as
Speaker 2: it comes down that hillside and I'm doing fifty five
Speaker 2: and catching me, and all I could tell was it
Speaker 2: was it looked like a big brown, hairy thing, but
Speaker 2: it was like almost big as a buffalo, and I
Speaker 2: just instinctively crossed over the yellow line and that thing
Speaker 2: hit my front fender and smashed it right into the
Speaker 2: tire where it was trying to cut. The tire, caved
Speaker 2: in the door, bent the door frame back, and just
Speaker 2: crapped all down the side of the car. And it
Speaker 2: stopped me cold. I'm sitting on the highway facing the
Speaker 2: wrong way going what was that? And that thing just
Speaker 2: kept out on running. No bear could do that, There's
Speaker 2: no way, but I you know, just like the screening thing,
Speaker 2: I'm like, I didn't know what to make of It
Speaker 2: looked like, wow, you know, didn't hurt anybody. But it
Speaker 2: took years before I finally realized what was I think
Speaker 2: it might have been the same ones from where we
Speaker 2: were logging, because we were taking all the overstory on
Speaker 2: this property that was gated when no one had been
Speaker 2: in the bothering them for years and years, and I
Speaker 2: think they got mad at me. I think maybe they
Speaker 2: hit my car because just to pay me back something.
Speaker 2: I don't know. That was the That was the first
Speaker 2: time I had to go around with them.
Speaker 1: What part of North America did these encounters or experiences
Speaker 1: take place up.
Speaker 2: This was in northern California between Matt Lawson and Read
Speaker 2: in California.
Speaker 1: Okay, very interesting. So what happened after this?
Speaker 2: Oh it was it was years before something else happened.
Speaker 2: I moved out of California to northeast Washington, and I've
Speaker 2: been here for thirty years. But see the first thing
Speaker 2: I recall happening here. It must have been the time
Speaker 2: I U I heard a noise in the middle of
Speaker 2: I Like I said, I'm a light sleeper and this noise.
Speaker 2: I thought it was my cat trying to open my door,
Speaker 2: and it woke me up, and I walked to the door,
Speaker 2: had my flash flight opened the door and this. I
Speaker 2: had just got some new trash cans, plastic trash cans,
Speaker 2: and I time shot with a twine something great, big
Speaker 2: and black, but I couldn't see it. Was this a
Speaker 2: huge ball of hair, I mean big as a kitchen table.
Speaker 2: It was hunched over my trashcan. I couldn't see any
Speaker 2: arms or legs or a head or anything. Just like
Speaker 2: gigantic ball of black fur hair. As the hair was
Speaker 2: like six inches long, and it looked weird, like you
Speaker 2: could see through it. It was like Manofellam fishing line,
Speaker 2: you know, but it was black, super clean, and when
Speaker 2: I hollered, I thought it was a cat. I said,
Speaker 2: stinking cat, And then I realized that's not a cat.
Speaker 2: The thing jumped like a frog and landed about thirty
Speaker 2: feet away, and then it bounded a couple more times,
Speaker 2: and it went off over high embankment, hit a pile
Speaker 2: of roof and ten and it was gone in just
Speaker 2: two seconds. I think that was the second time did
Speaker 2: I realize there. I know there'd been other times that
Speaker 2: I just didn't realize what was going on, and I
Speaker 2: think I think the next time something happened was something
Speaker 2: slapped my house way up high. The highest part of
Speaker 2: the roof slapped it so hard that I thought a
Speaker 2: big tree had fell and broke the roof, and it
Speaker 2: just woke me up. Oooh. Now nothing was on the roof.
Speaker 2: There was no sign of anything. It was quite a shock,
Speaker 2: you know. I knew the roof was caved in. I
Speaker 2: just knew it. But then I think it was a
Speaker 2: year or two later. I'd got a motor home part
Speaker 2: inside my house, and there's just room if you could
Speaker 2: walk through there and touch of them at the same time,
Speaker 2: it's close enough. Something ran three there between my house
Speaker 2: and my motor home in the middle of the night,
Speaker 2: and it was so loud, stomping as it ran, it
Speaker 2: sounded like it was forty fifty feet away. When it
Speaker 2: woke me up, I could hear it coming. Boom boom,
Speaker 2: boom boom, ran right through and kept right on going.
Speaker 2: And that was no deer, that was no bear. Nothing
Speaker 2: I know. I could do that. And I've heard last
Speaker 2: summer I heard voices in the woods, because when I'm
Speaker 2: surrounded with timber here. I went outside and I heard
Speaker 2: people talking. I walked over the close at the edge
Speaker 2: my property, and I'm like, they weren't speaking English for sure.
Speaker 2: I don't know what they were saying. But I went
Speaker 2: back and house, got a flashlight and I went out there.
Speaker 2: I couldn't find anything that was weird. That was not
Speaker 2: It might have been people, but they sure weren't speaking English.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is interesting. What kind of language do you think?
Speaker 1: It sounded like.
Speaker 2: Eastern European, maybe mixed with the Oriental. I don't know,
Speaker 2: it was weird nothing I've heard.
Speaker 1: I've heard people say it sounds like French or even
Speaker 1: like Japanese. So like, who knows what type of language
Speaker 1: of these things speak, but they're obviously very intelligent and
Speaker 1: you can tell they have their own language or form
Speaker 1: of communication.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, whatever these were, I don't know what they were.
Speaker 2: But it wasn't Russian and it wasn't German, you know what.
Speaker 2: I've heard all those things, and I think you could
Speaker 2: tell it that's what it was, you know, but it
Speaker 2: sounded like some kind of Eastern European language maybe, who knows.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very interesting that thing that was.
Speaker 2: That thing it was in my garbage. I couldn't believe
Speaker 2: that the way it jumped, I mean, like a frog.
Speaker 2: It was just gone airborne. I didn't never even saw
Speaker 2: arms or legs or anything. It just launched. I don't
Speaker 2: know how without without seeing arms legs it could do that.
Speaker 1: M m yeah, it just like springed into action. I
Speaker 1: interviewed a guy from Pike County, Missouri, who saw one
Speaker 1: at a creek bottom on his farm property, and he
Speaker 1: said it looked over at him and then it jumped
Speaker 1: straight up into the air about six or seven feet
Speaker 1: and just walked off.
Speaker 2: This thing just it didn't run, It just went airborne.
Speaker 2: I mean it probably was six or eight feet in
Speaker 2: the air at least just launched. It was gone. It
Speaker 2: didn't take one step. It was shot out of here
Speaker 2: like a river band. But the one that ran between
Speaker 2: the motorhome and the house, it was taking some steps.
Speaker 2: That thing sounded like it had to weigh over a ton.
Speaker 2: The noise it was making boom boom, boom boom.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you could hear like the thud on the ground.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was definitely bipedaled, you know, two feet,
Speaker 2: the the the the They just got louder as it came,
Speaker 2: and then it went by and it got quieter, and
Speaker 2: it never slept the house or anything that time. But
Speaker 2: I have a feeling it might be the same one.
Speaker 2: All these instances that I've had happen right here has
Speaker 2: been one juvenile that's been messing with me.
Speaker 1: Yes, my daughter. I feel like they were following you
Speaker 1: throughout your life, or either a clan or a single
Speaker 1: individual from.
Speaker 2: What I gather, Once they connect with you somehow, you're
Speaker 2: always going to see her here and again. You know,
Speaker 2: I think that they once once one of them knows you,
Speaker 2: they all know you. You're you're tagged.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard that from people before, and it makes
Speaker 1: you feel like if there's some sort of connection with
Speaker 1: you and the sasquatch that are following you throughout your life.
Speaker 2: Though I think it's all of them. I think that
Speaker 2: you're connected to all of them because it's like a
Speaker 2: party line. Once one of them knows something about you,
Speaker 2: they all know it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, I feel the same way with my experiences. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you were mentioning that your daughter.
Speaker 2: She had some horses here because she lived in town,
Speaker 2: couldn't have them there, so I had them up here
Speaker 2: on my place, and she kept having to cut these
Speaker 2: knots out of the mayor's name, Like, that's weird. How
Speaker 2: is that the wind doing that? And then I find
Speaker 2: out later on that the Sasquatches do that to horses,
Speaker 2: you know, Maors. And I don't know if there's something
Speaker 2: weird going on between the sasquatch and the horse. But
Speaker 2: I was out there one night and there was something
Speaker 2: in the brush snorting at the horse like a duck snort,
Speaker 2: but louder, bigger, like a like it would have to
Speaker 2: be big as a buffalo, a real big, loud snort,
Speaker 2: and the horse was snorting back to it. Wow, wow,
Speaker 2: I wonder what that is. That's big whatever they did.
Speaker 1: Oh back in the house, that's where they like braid
Speaker 1: horses hair. And it makes me wonder if like they
Speaker 1: can put animals like in a trance, similar to like
Speaker 1: the Skinwalker ranch story where like all the bulls were
Speaker 1: inside the trailer and it seemed like they were in
Speaker 1: a trance. I don't know. Or maybe they're just friends
Speaker 1: with them, like they be friend animals, whether it's dogs, horses,
Speaker 1: or other critters.
Speaker 2: Well, I think they do both. Yeah, okay, I think that. Uh.
Speaker 2: I think they can do it to people too. I
Speaker 2: think they can. They can put you in a trance.
Speaker 2: I think they can put thoughts into your head. They
Speaker 2: can I think beyond that, I think they can even
Speaker 2: make you because you hear of people smelling something or
Speaker 2: hearing something, the person might aside them didn't hear a
Speaker 2: smell thing. I think they can put that into your mind.
Speaker 2: Whatever senses your body has, they can bypass your sensory inputs.
Speaker 2: Was something that they want you to see, smell or here,
Speaker 2: or think they can even I think they might even
Speaker 2: be able to put in tough memories in your head,
Speaker 2: you know, or take them out. I think they can
Speaker 2: manipulate us beyond our understanding.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely, whether it's infrasound or something else going on,
Speaker 1: it's definitely strange. And I've heard a report where the
Speaker 1: sasquatch was terrorizing a family and they were just banging
Speaker 1: on the house and shaking the door handle trying to
Speaker 1: get in, and they said the entire time, both of
Speaker 1: the dogs were asleep and they never reacted. They never
Speaker 1: woke up.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: That's not right, No, not at all. Okay, so what else?
Speaker 2: People do that too? The same thing happens with people
Speaker 2: one personal here, all kinds of crazy, Like when the
Speaker 2: thing ran between my house and my motor home, my
Speaker 2: son was sleeping in the motorhome. Media here thing. I
Speaker 2: think I was meant to hear that, and that might
Speaker 2: have been just projected into my mind. Maybe it didn't happen,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point, and that's scary to think about,
Speaker 1: Like possibly you saw something that the other person wouldn't
Speaker 1: see and they put it into your mind. Maybe you're
Speaker 1: you're experiencing something else, like I don't know. For example,
Speaker 1: let's say like you saw a gray alien, but really
Speaker 1: it made you think you saw bigfoot. Now that's just
Speaker 1: a theory and who knows what's really going on.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, it wouldn't surprise me. I think the rabbit
Speaker 2: hole is bigger than the universe we know of. I
Speaker 2: think there's so much out there that we don't know
Speaker 2: about that we'll never live long enough to learn it,
Speaker 2: even if they told us the truth about it. You know,
Speaker 2: it just there's too much that we couldn't wrap our
Speaker 2: minds about around it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point right there, Like maybe if
Speaker 1: they explain it to us, we just wouldn't understand.
Speaker 2: No, we can't. They don't. Supposedly, they don't think like
Speaker 2: we do. They think similar to what we do, but
Speaker 2: a lot of the ways of thinking and act and
Speaker 2: they don't make perfect sense to us because they're different.
Speaker 1: M Yeah, I agree with that, And they're probably thinking
Speaker 1: if humans explain things to us, we just wouldn't understand
Speaker 1: their ways.
Speaker 2: Well, I think I think. I think. I think they're
Speaker 2: keeping track of all of us. I think they just
Speaker 2: live to watch us. I don't know if they were
Speaker 2: creative for that, or they're just bored or what, but
Speaker 2: I think they're around a lot of people that don't
Speaker 2: have a clue.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's a fact right there. They're definitely watching
Speaker 1: people and we are a form of entertainment to them,
Speaker 1: or possibly there's a bigger picture to it all, and
Speaker 1: they're watching us for a specific reason, like they have
Speaker 1: a purpose and a mission.
Speaker 2: Well you hear people say that that they were told
Speaker 2: through mind speak. I can't touch you right now, but
Speaker 2: I could kill you right this second if I wanted
Speaker 2: to do it. I'm not allowed to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that seems to be the case because
Speaker 1: they can rip out a full sized tree and deroot
Speaker 1: it from the ground, but yet they just follow people
Speaker 1: out of the woods and nothing ever happens to them.
Speaker 1: It's like they could easily squash you like a like
Speaker 1: a bug, but they don't.
Speaker 2: Well, they wouldn't play with the doorknob. They could just
Speaker 2: put their hand to the winter frame and pull the
Speaker 2: tar wall out.
Speaker 1: Or when they look through somebody's window, it's like that
Speaker 1: thing could easily just come through the house like the
Speaker 1: window and just pull you out if it wanted to.
Speaker 2: There's got to be restrictions on them. Yeah, it seems
Speaker 2: like they have a powerful somebody is ruling over them
Speaker 2: and limiting them. And I also also from all everything
Speaker 2: I've seen and read. I think there's you know, more
Speaker 2: than one type of bigfoot. I think there's there's a
Speaker 2: flesh and blood type. Then there's a type that can
Speaker 2: be shape shifters or invisible or flesh and blood if
Speaker 2: they want to. And I think those are the bad ones.
Speaker 2: I think the ones that are just flesh and blood
Speaker 2: are the good ones.
Speaker 1: Maybe, yeah, very well, could be.
Speaker 2: The ones that can do all the supernatural stuff. Seem
Speaker 2: to be evil, yeah.
Speaker 1: And it seems like they're exercising self control because, like
Speaker 1: you said earlier, if they wanted to hurt you, they
Speaker 1: easily could. And maybe they really do know that if
Speaker 1: they hurt someone or take someone like, there's going to
Speaker 1: be more people looking for them, and it's going to
Speaker 1: bring trouble to their clan or they're just waiting for something.
Speaker 2: If too many of that of the humans find out
Speaker 2: that they're there and they're doing horrible things, then we're
Speaker 2: going to insist the government go after them full force.
Speaker 2: And they don't want that, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: And just the way people are, they'll just shoot, like
Speaker 1: let's say, if someone saw a mountain line, they'll just
Speaker 1: shoot it just to shoot it, just just for sport.
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Oh yeah, there's there's some some kids did
Speaker 2: that to a guy walking down a railroad tracks here
Speaker 2: like twenty years ago, like hey, let's shoot that guy
Speaker 2: and see what it's like. Like they'll they'll do it
Speaker 2: even people.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, I think they're self aware that humans are
Speaker 1: destructive and dangerous.
Speaker 2: Well, I think some of them are too, but I
Speaker 2: think it's a very small minority. I think there are
Speaker 2: some that they do horrible things to people and they
Speaker 2: are banned from the rest of the Bigfoots or they're
Speaker 2: just torn to pieces, they get killed for what they did.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, it seems like.
Speaker 2: I think because they all know what the other ones
Speaker 2: are doing pretty much all the time. I think they
Speaker 2: can't get away with things.
Speaker 1: M Yeah, they work like I don't know, like they're one.
Speaker 1: They seem to have like a hive mind, similar to
Speaker 1: bees or doverman. I just think they know things. So
Speaker 1: when one's out of line and they start causing trouble
Speaker 1: for humans, maybe they get casted out or just they
Speaker 1: remove them.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I'm sure they get benned, you know, from
Speaker 2: the group when they they don't get back in line,
Speaker 2: or if they do something too bad. You know, they're
Speaker 2: just out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. I mean i've heard reports from people
Speaker 1: where these things are just killing deer after deer. It
Speaker 1: just seems like they're killing for sport, or they'll just
Speaker 1: like hurt people's pets or try to take humans and
Speaker 1: cause a lot of problems. But that's not the case
Speaker 1: for all of them, Like some of them show compassion
Speaker 1: and just self control. They want to go the Yeah,
Speaker 1: i've heard reports where they save people. That's a very
Speaker 1: good point.
Speaker 2: Or I think that there's times when you hear people
Speaker 2: talking about they get a message in your mind, don't
Speaker 2: go up there, turn around, go home, And I think
Speaker 2: they're being warned there's danger there's either wolves or a
Speaker 2: bad big foot or something, or they just want privacy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, those are all valid points.
Speaker 2: You hear that all the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard that countless times where people say I
Speaker 1: just got this feeling like something told me leave now
Speaker 1: or get out. Mm hmm. Yeah, I hear that from
Speaker 1: people a lot. You've never heard it, though I haven't.
Speaker 1: I've just gotten the feeling like something's not right, like
Speaker 1: I need to leave, And maybe that was mine speak.
Speaker 1: But you can just definitely tell that the atmosphere just
Speaker 1: feels completely different. Something's not right, And especially when you
Speaker 1: have experiences where they're wood knocking or pushing over trees,
Speaker 1: it's like, I think I need to leave.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had that rock clacking stuff happen here. One
Speaker 2: time I heard two sets of three. It was clack,
Speaker 2: clock clack, and then it was a set of four,
Speaker 2: and then another set of three. And supposedly that's according
Speaker 2: to some people, that's like code. You know how in
Speaker 2: the TV movies the Indians are using bird noises and
Speaker 2: stuff and to signal each other stuff. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think maybe that's what they're doing when some of
Speaker 2: these noises they're making, like their whoops and stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so too. I think they're communicating with
Speaker 1: each other and it's like a form of Morse code.
Speaker 1: Did you hear the rock clacks by a creek bottom?
Speaker 2: No? No, it's up on a mountain here where it's
Speaker 2: pretty much all decomposed granite and there are no rocks.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah. And when I heard it, it sounded like
Speaker 1: somebody was flint napping in the woods, you know, like
Speaker 1: what it sounds like when someone's making arrowheads. It kind
Speaker 1: of sounds like that.
Speaker 2: This sounded like quick bottom being hit together. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: might have been great big teeth, you know, snapping together.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've recorded the rock clock several times and I've
Speaker 1: tried to decode it, but it's like you said, like
Speaker 1: sets of threes, and like they'll pause and then do
Speaker 1: it again, and it's just like a combination of different strikes.
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't sound random.
Speaker 1: No, not at all. You definitely know it's not a woodpecker.
Speaker 1: It's rock on rock, and like you said, it's creek
Speaker 1: bottom rocks, like they're like high pitch sounding.
Speaker 2: I've had a couple of times I've had things at
Speaker 2: work happened that were really kind of weird. I was
Speaker 2: running skater pulling bunches of trees to a process or
Speaker 2: like five years ago, and it come to work one
Speaker 2: morning and there's all these trees shoved in the trail.
Speaker 2: I couldn't get through there. I'd taken break them all
Speaker 2: the pieces or go get a saw to get in
Speaker 2: and out of. And then when I went on a
Speaker 2: pass there, I kind of had the heav gbs like
Speaker 2: this is really weird, this is really weird. But that
Speaker 2: kind of passed pretty quick and we were going up
Speaker 2: into some really steep, thick timber and on steep ground,
Speaker 2: and it was slow going, and I think maybe they
Speaker 2: had theirself a little camp or something in there and
Speaker 2: they just wanted to don't come up here. That was
Speaker 2: just too weird because there's no wind or anything to
Speaker 2: bowl those trees over. Another time, we were logging up
Speaker 2: by the Canadian border and I was the last guy
Speaker 2: on the job. Everybody else had left, and I was
Speaker 2: feeling up and I started feeling this funny feeling, like
Speaker 2: there's a cougar or something stalking me, you know, looking around,
Speaker 2: hurry up, feel get full. And I noticed this thing.
Speaker 2: We did a clear cut about the road and it's
Speaker 2: probably five hundred feet to the top of that, and
Speaker 2: I saw this black It looked like a tree snapped off,
Speaker 2: you know, like a like a burnt stob a ten
Speaker 2: foot tall or something way up there, like a like
Speaker 2: a the tall guy. I couldn't it never moved, I
Speaker 2: never could make out what it was, and I left
Speaker 2: at it as soon as I could, assumed like I
Speaker 2: feel dead, but I could. I could feel that weird
Speaker 2: feeling was coming from there. It was just like a
Speaker 2: beam of light coming on me, just like it was
Speaker 2: focused on me. It wasn't like, uh, you need to
Speaker 2: leave or I hate you or anything, or just like
Speaker 2: intense scrutiny feeling.
Speaker 1: Like that feeling a dread or do you mean.
Speaker 2: Like you could you imagine if a giant was standing
Speaker 2: over you, looking down at you, and you're feeling kind
Speaker 2: of like, what's gonna happen? Now? This is not good
Speaker 2: and what's gonna happen? Kind of a feeling, you know,
Speaker 2: but not like any kind of a thread or anything,
Speaker 2: just like being stared down like like see, well, I
Speaker 2: guess you could say it was kind of like it's
Speaker 2: because it was kind of like the feeling of a predator,
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, but it never moved, never moved, and
Speaker 2: but I could it just seemed like it was coming
Speaker 2: from right there. I don't know how I could know that,
Speaker 2: but it just seemed.
Speaker 1: Like that, Yeah, for sure. I mean, the woods should
Speaker 1: feel I don't know, vast and just like a yeah, peaceful,
Speaker 1: but when these things are around, you just kind of
Speaker 1: feel like closed, like I don't know, like you're closed in,
Speaker 1: like the pressure changes and like you're being watched. It's
Speaker 1: just a strange, spooky feeling.
Speaker 2: Well, kind of like you're trespassing and you're going to
Speaker 2: get in trouble if you get if you don't leave.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly like, Oh, I'm going.
Speaker 2: To get trouble. I got to get out of here.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I feel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you're somewhere you shouldn't be.
Speaker 2: Well, like I don't know how you'd explain it, just
Speaker 2: kind of like it's time to go. You know, this
Speaker 2: is weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, well.
Speaker 2: I got another one for you. When I was logging
Speaker 2: down there, way before I had the experiences in logging
Speaker 2: camp in the Sierras. I was logging oh closer to
Speaker 2: Reno in the Sierras, and me and another guy were
Speaker 2: standing in the trailer park because they were working way
Speaker 2: out of town. And one night where there's a hail
Speaker 2: there in the little town, we're standing and we grove
Speaker 2: up on top of that hill. Was drinking the beer,
Speaker 2: looking at the town lights and just sitting there, and
Speaker 2: I got out to take a leak in this weird
Speaker 2: feeling came over me like a magnet, like giant magnet
Speaker 2: or sinking in My hair was all standing up and
Speaker 2: I looked up and this black triangle went over us
Speaker 2: like three miles an hour, and you don't have anything
Speaker 2: to judge size by up in the sky, you know,
Speaker 2: But I got the feeling. The thing was like two
Speaker 2: hundred feet from corner to corner, and in each corner
Speaker 2: had an orb of light. It wasn't real bright, and
Speaker 2: it just blocked out the stars as it went over.
Speaker 2: I told the guy with me, I says, get out
Speaker 2: here and look at this. Whow we looked at it
Speaker 2: when you got in the car and burn Rubber got
Speaker 2: out of there and talk to him last year. He
Speaker 2: doesn't remember it at all. And this was back in
Speaker 2: seventy eight.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, that's interesting. I've seen the black I've seen
Speaker 1: it before. It's definitely a strange feeling when it hovers
Speaker 1: over you. And yeah, like you said, it had a
Speaker 1: bright light on each side of the triangle. I like,
Speaker 1: I remember the back right light. It was brighter than
Speaker 1: the other two.
Speaker 2: I don't know why, Well, who knows what's going on?
Speaker 2: You know, what kind of propulsion or you know why
Speaker 2: did they what? You know, the drones on the East coast,
Speaker 2: they didn't see them. I've got all kinds of like
Speaker 2: flashing lights and clearance lights and stuff that seems ceiling,
Speaker 2: but it's not they can tell. It's not, like, why
Speaker 2: do they need that? Well, who knows?
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, people say that the triangle is manufactured
Speaker 1: by I can't remember the name, like Lockheed skunk Works.
Speaker 1: I can't. I don't know the exact dame. But it
Speaker 1: could be I'm not really sure. It seems alien, but
Speaker 1: it could be just a government secret.
Speaker 2: Well, the one that I saw, I'll bet you if
Speaker 2: it was flying at hyper speed, it could be at
Speaker 2: area fifty one in a minute, because that's not too
Speaker 2: far from where I was working, you know, air miles.
Speaker 2: So I always figured it's probably the government, you know.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but it was silent. It was silent, and
Speaker 2: it was almost just hovering and went right over the
Speaker 2: top of us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard reports where the ground just opened up
Speaker 1: and one of these ships came out. And I believe
Speaker 1: that because they have those giant bridges that they can
Speaker 1: lift up and like let huge boats go by. So
Speaker 1: why wouldn't they be able to do that with the ground.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. I've seen video of a UFO
Speaker 2: that flew right into the side of a volcano, just
Speaker 2: blended with the mountain and went right in now is
Speaker 2: there a hologram over the front of a big hole
Speaker 2: inside the mountain? Who knows?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: What we what we learn over the years. Hearing other
Speaker 2: people talk about what they've seen is just a drop
Speaker 2: in a bucket of you know, compared to what the
Speaker 2: truth is about all this. Yeah, And I don't think
Speaker 2: the I don't. I don't think the government wants to
Speaker 2: get our our minds around what's really happening because it
Speaker 2: keeps us weak to be ignorant.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I agree. There's a lot of theories that we
Speaker 1: can come up with to explain the unknown, and the
Speaker 1: list can just keep going on and on, especially if
Speaker 1: you're talking about something being inter dimensional portals, a hologram, aliens,
Speaker 1: government technology. It's like there's just so many questions that
Speaker 1: lead to so many different rabbit holes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think it's all related.
Speaker 1: I think so too. So what other Bigfoot experiences have
Speaker 1: you had?
Speaker 2: Uh, that's pretty much it that I can recall now.
Speaker 2: I know for a fact there's been other times something
Speaker 2: weird was going on and I just don't remember it. Like, well,
Speaker 2: one thing that happened, how about four winters ago, I
Speaker 2: was skidding trees out of a place where the corner
Speaker 2: of the property went up. You know, we were taking
Speaker 2: most of the trees off this property, and the back
Speaker 2: of the corner of the property went up to started
Speaker 2: climbing up hill as it became the corner, and there
Speaker 2: was a real thick timber there. And I'm in a
Speaker 2: skidter with a you know, enclosed cab and heater blowing
Speaker 2: and everything, and I start smelling ammonia as I get
Speaker 2: over by that corner, I'm like, whoa that stink? What
Speaker 2: is that? I know it's not the machine. There's nothing
Speaker 2: the machine that's going to smell like that. And I
Speaker 2: kind of got to heb gbs, like hmm, there's something
Speaker 2: that's timber over here. I'm just gonna grab what this
Speaker 2: wood and get out of here. And that was just,
Speaker 2: you know, just seconds.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: How many times it's something like how many times is
Speaker 2: something like that happened to you? And you never question it?
Speaker 2: You're just like, oh that I gotta go, or that's weird,
Speaker 2: or never think of it again.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. Do you feel like there's a correlation with
Speaker 1: the logging that was done and these creatures following you,
Speaker 1: like maybe you tick them off?
Speaker 2: I think that they don't like it. Well, you know,
Speaker 2: it's not the logger's fault. The guy that owns the
Speaker 2: land is telling the forest or what he wants done,
Speaker 2: and the forester tells the logger and then we do it.
Speaker 2: But you know, the big butt don't know that. I'm
Speaker 2: sure nobody's telling them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I'm sure it makes them upset when people
Speaker 1: are cutting down trees. And I've also heard on Skinwalker
Speaker 1: Ranch that when they start digging, things start happening.
Speaker 2: Right. Well, some of the stuff I've heard in the
Speaker 2: last year leads me to believe that they can go underground,
Speaker 2: whether there's a tunnel or not. And they spend a
Speaker 2: lot of time in caves. They have a way to
Speaker 2: go underground, either to become an energy orb. I've seen
Speaker 2: videos where they hide behind a tree that was you know,
Speaker 2: you take an animal or the creature that's three or
Speaker 2: four feet wide and hides behind the Tannin's tree and disappears.
Speaker 2: Where did he go?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've personally witnessed that with the juvenile and I've
Speaker 1: heard other people talk about that, like a like a
Speaker 1: sasquatch that's four and a half feet wide, go behind
Speaker 1: like a ten inch tree and it just disappears.
Speaker 2: It's impossible to us. But I think that they can
Speaker 2: do the impossible. I think there's the stuff that we
Speaker 2: would never believe if if we saw, you know, unless
Speaker 2: we saw it. Just crazy stuff. That's what across the
Speaker 2: river here ten years ago, No, it must have been
Speaker 2: no longer than that, probably closer to twenty years ago.
Speaker 2: I was living across the river over there, and I
Speaker 2: walked outside it like three in the morning, and I
Speaker 2: looked up and there's this big orange orb. You know
Speaker 2: those orange dinner plates that are clear glass and see
Speaker 2: right through them. It looked like one of those, and
Speaker 2: inside of it was another one just like it, but smaller,
Speaker 2: and inside of that it looked like a filament in
Speaker 2: a light bulb, you know, the non frosted light bulb
Speaker 2: where you can see right through and see a filament.
Speaker 2: It looked like a glowing filament inside of it. I
Speaker 2: looked up at it and I said, what are you
Speaker 2: looking at? And it was gone up into space, just
Speaker 2: you know, like a faster than a rocket gone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've experienced that as well. Definitely makes you wonder.
Speaker 1: And they seem intelligent.
Speaker 2: Well, the intelligence is obvious, you know, and there's got
Speaker 2: to be a reason why they're there. They got to
Speaker 2: be looking at something or somebody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. And the one that was going through
Speaker 1: the trash can, you mentioned that it was like fishing line,
Speaker 1: like you could see through it was that just it
Speaker 1: was weird. The for the entire creature in general.
Speaker 2: All I could see was a great big blob of hair,
Speaker 2: just huge, huge mass of hair, and it looked like
Speaker 2: six inches long and clean and almost see through. It
Speaker 2: had a weird look to it. Yeah, that's what made me,
Speaker 2: you know, think of monofilament, because it looked like something
Speaker 2: you can see through monofilament, but it was black. You know.
Speaker 1: Could you make out any features on the creature, like
Speaker 1: how tall it was or how much it weighed? I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously you don't know that without.
Speaker 2: Way, Well I could guess it probably weighed eight pounds,
Speaker 2: you know, as much as a medium horse. It's a
Speaker 2: pretty big big thing. But it jumped like a frog gone.
Speaker 2: And the trash can was brand new, I mean brand new,
Speaker 2: and the first time I'd ever put anything in it.
Speaker 2: I tired it shut with twined. The twine was untied,
Speaker 2: it wasn't ripped, it wasn't a scratch on that trash
Speaker 2: can or toothmark at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds bigger than a juvenile to mean, that's
Speaker 1: that's possibly an adult there.
Speaker 2: Well, the way it was folded up, who knows, because
Speaker 2: it had to be doubled up to look like that.
Speaker 2: You know, are you have seen at least defeat? It
Speaker 2: was weird, very weird, unusual because nobody I've never heard
Speaker 2: anybody say they saw a big ball of hair go
Speaker 2: flying like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, It blows my mind how intelligent they are.
Speaker 1: But yet they'll dig through our trash cans.
Speaker 2: Well we have something they want, I guess.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: You've heard of the one getting in the grease pit
Speaker 2: at casino in Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well I and people say they cloak. They've
Speaker 2: seen them do it, and they've asked them and they
Speaker 2: reply in mind speak, yeah, we cloak and we shake shift.
Speaker 1: Have you had? Oh, go ahead?
Speaker 2: Why couldn't they become a raven and fly to town,
Speaker 2: pick something up at McDonald's park a lot, eat it
Speaker 2: and fly away.
Speaker 1: That's what you think about.
Speaker 2: You have birds coming around like that. Maybe it's one
Speaker 2: of them, So I don't I don't know, about reality anymore.
Speaker 2: You know, there's just a lot of stuff that you
Speaker 2: might think it's real and it's really something else that
Speaker 2: you're you're you're being made to think it's something else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely think that's possible. The Native Americans talked
Speaker 1: about shape shape shifters, and I definitely think there's something
Speaker 1: going on there. There was a guy on a Flash
Speaker 1: of Beauty that said the Bigfoot turned into a deer,
Speaker 1: so who knows.
Speaker 2: Well, there's one of those guys, you know, the two
Speaker 2: guys that were they saw that one turned the ball
Speaker 2: of energyans it the way it was it was an elk,
Speaker 2: and then it shrunk down and it turned into a
Speaker 2: big orange orb and fluck flew away. Yeah, that's that
Speaker 2: was on the Flash of Beauty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes you wonder though. I've had instances where
Speaker 1: I'd be out there deer hunting and I'd be looking
Speaker 1: all through the woods and I'd already been sitting out
Speaker 1: there for hours, and as soon as I've been down
Speaker 1: to get something out of my bag, I look up
Speaker 1: and there's a deer standing right in front of me
Speaker 1: looking at me. I'm like, what the heck, where did
Speaker 1: that think?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, you've heard the one on the Flash of
Speaker 2: Beauty that was the white deer was Randy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was definitely a big foot that
Speaker 2: turned into a deer.
Speaker 1: I'd say, yeah, for sure. And for him to go
Speaker 1: on TV and say that, you know, he has to
Speaker 1: be pretty sure of what he what he encountered.
Speaker 2: But what what would be your motive to go and
Speaker 2: say something that's going to prove you're crazy?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely. It's one thing going on TV and saying
Speaker 1: you saw a big foot, that saying it turned into
Speaker 1: an animal, like right, you know if you really saw that.
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like you would. You're like, I'm
Speaker 1: going to tell everyone and this is the truth, and
Speaker 1: that seems to be what he did.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm the same way. If I see something, I'm
Speaker 2: going to say it like I see it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially.
Speaker 2: Too bad. Well, you got to warn people if you
Speaker 2: think it's something that could hurt them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if someone saw something like that, I
Speaker 1: would hope they would tell me.
Speaker 2: Well, I guarantee you there's people that haven't killed you
Speaker 2: a lot of things through your life from go oh yeah,
Speaker 2: they they don't want you, they don't want to cause
Speaker 2: any problems, or they don't want to cause people to
Speaker 2: think they're nuts, or you know, it's a lot of
Speaker 2: times it's better to keep your mouth shut and let
Speaker 2: everybody think things are normal.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's a lot of people out there who
Speaker 1: have probably spoke to someone that had seen one of
Speaker 1: these creatures, and they are not going to tell anyone.
Speaker 1: So was just how it is.
Speaker 2: I was looking to buy a skitter online here I
Speaker 2: don't know, ten twelve years ago, and a guy over
Speaker 2: on the Oregon coast had one like I ended up
Speaker 2: buying one just like it, and he had the skitterer
Speaker 2: for sale. I get to talking to him about, you know,
Speaker 2: have you ever seen any big foots? And he says, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: we were. We were out hunting puns one night and
Speaker 2: there was one standing in the bushes looking at us.
Speaker 2: And he didn't he didn't go into you know, what
Speaker 2: all went on, but he said the thing had a
Speaker 2: head as big as a five gallon bucket and red
Speaker 2: glowing eyes. That reminds me I was going to work,
Speaker 2: you know, way before daylight, oh six eight years ago,
Speaker 2: going over mountain passing. I'm halfway up the mountain and
Speaker 2: taking the corner to the right, and this thing is
Speaker 2: if i'd went straight out, I ran into it if
Speaker 2: it didn't move, because it's a curve, and then if
Speaker 2: it goes it's an embankment. You'd go down over them
Speaker 2: if you went straight and there's no glugrail. And this thing,
Speaker 2: it was down over the hill aways and its head
Speaker 2: was sticking up above the pavement and it had eyeballs,
Speaker 2: I don't know, biggest tennis balls that were glowing orange
Speaker 2: and looking right at me when they went around a corner.
Speaker 2: And as I started going around the corner to the
Speaker 2: right and my lights got off of it, it turned
Speaker 2: its head and looked to my left and ran and
Speaker 2: I saw those orange eyes as a streak really fast
Speaker 2: to the left, so they weren't reflecting my light. They
Speaker 2: were self illuminated because my lights got off of them,
Speaker 2: and I just saw orange streaks running off through the
Speaker 2: woods and they were really far apart. I don't think
Speaker 2: I could touch both of them with one hand at
Speaker 2: the same time, but they were wide set. Yeah, stuff
Speaker 2: like that. Stuff like that, it's hard to remember, you know.
Speaker 1: And have you experienced mind speak or these creatures projecting
Speaker 1: any thoughts or getting into your dreams anything like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, last year I was dreaming something. I don't know
Speaker 2: what it was because the dream was insignificant and I
Speaker 2: don't remember it. But in the middle of my dream,
Speaker 2: I'm in my dream, I'm sitting in my chair looking
Speaker 2: out the window, and this this male bigfoot he's like
Speaker 2: ten foot tall and jet black and just massively built.
Speaker 2: And then another one that's like cocoa brown. It's a
Speaker 2: couple of feet shorter. How think he had to be
Speaker 2: nine or ten feet tall, easy, you know, big, taller
Speaker 2: than my motor home. And the brown one was just
Speaker 2: smiling like she just got the best, but she never
Speaker 2: looked at me. And the big black one, he just
Speaker 2: ignored me until he was almost past the window. Then
Speaker 2: he's step and looked right in my eyes, and then
Speaker 2: he turned and went. They both walked away and in
Speaker 2: my dream resumed just like a commercial. In my dream, Look,
Speaker 2: the dream stops and here's something inserted, and then the
Speaker 2: dream went on. But I'll never remember that dream. I
Speaker 2: forgot it already, but I'll never I'll never forget that
Speaker 2: vision that I saw.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is interesting, and coco brown, that's a good description.
Speaker 1: I've never heard anyone use that, And yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that pretty well sums up the color. You mentioned that
Speaker 1: these things screamed at you in the woods. What did
Speaker 1: the scream sound like? And can you compare it to
Speaker 1: anything else you've ever heard?
Speaker 2: No, No, I've never heard anything screaming that kind of
Speaker 2: pain and terror. It was horrible, like you would take
Speaker 2: a woman and put a cutting torch and just cut
Speaker 2: her arm off with it. It was just the most
Speaker 2: blood curdling woman scream. And they sounded the same, the
Speaker 2: one coming down the ravine and the one coming up
Speaker 2: to vine. They sounded the same. And people are telling me, Oh,
Speaker 2: that's just Kurtis. Why did they make all that wood?
Speaker 2: Why did it come up to my window and screen?
Speaker 2: Doesn't make sense, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds terrific. And I can't imagine waking up
Speaker 1: to that.
Speaker 2: I don't know why it didn't scare me, because it
Speaker 2: was horrible. It's like somebody's being murdered, for sure. But
Speaker 2: I just got mad because it helped me up and
Speaker 2: I just opened the door and Toil shut up. I
Speaker 2: bet you don't hear that. Yeah, it sounds like, Oh,
Speaker 2: I think they were really mad because we were logging
Speaker 2: that place. We took out all the tall pine you know,
Speaker 2: that was worth good money and probably ninety percent of
Speaker 2: the timber because of that, And that place had been
Speaker 2: gated for years. No one ever went in. There was
Speaker 2: private property and the road was closed for a long time.
Speaker 2: You know, nice, nice tall trees. I think we just
Speaker 2: wrecked their camping area on the creek there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, we had to hang out. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: it was valuable to you guys, it was definitely val
Speaker 1: valuable to the Sasquatch. And the big one that was
Speaker 1: chasing you on the highway, why do you think it
Speaker 1: was doing that?
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's either one of those hold my
Speaker 2: beer moments and what's what I do to this car?
Speaker 2: Or it was revenge for what we were doing on
Speaker 2: the property with a login. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, purpose, did you hit the car or did you?
Speaker 2: Oh? The thing? The thing? The thing targeted me. Man,
Speaker 2: it was coming faster than I was driving fifty five
Speaker 2: and it was going faster than that. Wow, they came
Speaker 2: down the hillside. I mean I just just barely saw
Speaker 2: it in my peripheral vision on my right, and as
Speaker 2: it got closer, I'm like, this thing's going to hit me,
Speaker 2: so I crossed the yellow line. I think it was
Speaker 2: coming so fast, Miguel. I think if I hadn't seen it, it
Speaker 2: would have ran across the road in front of me
Speaker 2: and I wouldn't have hit it. But because I crossed
Speaker 2: the yellow line, I hit it. I think I hit
Speaker 2: it right and it left front shoulder.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's scary.
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't hit it because the front of the
Speaker 2: car wasn't damn. It caved the fender in around the tire.
Speaker 2: It hits side of the car and in its rear
Speaker 2: end caved in the door and the door frame stopped
Speaker 2: me cold, just like I hit a big old tree.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're lucky you didn't get hurt. And I wonder
Speaker 1: what its intentions were, like if it purposely wanted you
Speaker 1: to see him, or if it was all random.
Speaker 2: It targeted me. I think it was either gonna show
Speaker 2: itself to me by running in front of me, or
Speaker 2: intended to hit me because I crossed over the yellow line.
Speaker 2: I might have hit it just because of that. If
Speaker 2: I'd have not seen it, it might have ran in
Speaker 2: front of me and just I would have just seen
Speaker 2: a big, hairy blur. But because I think because I
Speaker 2: changed lanes. I think that's why I hit it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, so.
Speaker 2: I really I don't think it was trying to hit me,
Speaker 2: but maybe maybe it's so fast. Nothing could run that fast.
Speaker 2: There's nothing on earth can run that fast.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And was the bigfoot on all fours or was
Speaker 1: it running on two feet?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, it was on all fours. Well, I could tell.
Speaker 2: It was just looked like brown hair and four legs.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I wonder if they can run faster on all
Speaker 1: fours than on two.
Speaker 2: Legs, I would think so. I think that's why they
Speaker 2: have the uh the hinge foot. What do they call that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the little torsel break in the foot.
Speaker 2: That's it. Yeah, I think that's just so they can
Speaker 2: run on all fours.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think they can run faster on
Speaker 1: all fours as well, like cheatah speed.
Speaker 2: Well, I think they can run almost twice that fast
Speaker 2: myself because this thing, I was doing fifty five and
Speaker 2: it caught me with no problem, and it hit me hard.
Speaker 2: I mean the car just stopped, just like hitting a
Speaker 2: big tree boom, and it was gone. You know, the
Speaker 2: car spun around in the direction that it was going
Speaker 2: in the headlights, you know, it was just off the
Speaker 2: road and go on the other side.
Speaker 1: Yeah. What time of night at nighttime was.
Speaker 2: This Noh, ten o'clock, nine o'clock.
Speaker 1: In that timeframe you were logging, not like when you
Speaker 1: hire that creature.
Speaker 2: But that day, well, it was the same month, I
Speaker 2: think when we're I'm still working on the same job
Speaker 2: and it was summertime. Wow. Definitely did that to me.
Speaker 2: When there was snow in the road. I might have
Speaker 2: been in big trouble, might have went off over the
Speaker 2: bank wing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And did you mention something was on the roof
Speaker 1: of the house.
Speaker 2: No, Uh, that thing that slapped the house, it's I
Speaker 2: thought a big tree fella the mouse. It sounded like
Speaker 2: the roof broke.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It sounds like they targeted you and possibly marked you,
Speaker 1: and we're following you around.
Speaker 2: No, I think they still are keeping an eye on me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think. I think that's why I saw them in
Speaker 2: the dream and they were just saying, yeah, we're watching it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting. And you mentioned this was in northern California.
Speaker 1: Is that like the Bluff Creek area or the Sierra Nevadas.
Speaker 2: No, No, no, it's uh, it's the north end of
Speaker 2: the Sierras. Okay, yeah, Mount Shasta. Mount Shasta is the
Speaker 2: southern end of the Cascades and Mount Lawson is the
Speaker 2: northern end of the Sierras. And that's where that's where
Speaker 2: this thing hit in the car and the screaming in
Speaker 2: the camp went on.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, that's incredible. I bet that's a really cool
Speaker 1: place to be at. And I'm sure that it's vast.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 1: It's what, it's a vast area, like huge from.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, the Sierras are nothing but timber.
Speaker 2: Here's there's a lot of acreage with nothing but dirt
Speaker 2: roads and timber. And it's the same way up here
Speaker 2: in Washington, you know, just the county Iemn. The valleys
Speaker 2: that are here are just a drop in the bucket
Speaker 2: compared to all the mountains and timber.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And when you were on the job site, did
Speaker 1: you typically see people in the area or were you
Speaker 1: guys like the only ones out there.
Speaker 2: No, Normally there's nobody around. Very seldom are we logging
Speaker 2: around houses. Once in a while somebody had come through
Speaker 2: a job on a four wheeler or side by side,
Speaker 2: but that's where Yeah, most people know to stay out
Speaker 2: if they hear log and equipment. They don't go around
Speaker 2: you know, they could get smashed. But there's some people
Speaker 2: that they don't just blow right through the landing and
Speaker 2: take a chance on getting killed and give you a
Speaker 2: dirty look like you're in my way. You know, I'm
Speaker 2: here to play and you shouldn't be here. Okay, you
Speaker 2: shouldn't be there. You might get hurt, right.
Speaker 1: Well, the Sasquatch definitely had that attitude.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, they're bigger, faster, and smarter than we are.
Speaker 2: I think that's why nobody's going out and catching them
Speaker 2: because they just can't. They know your intentions, they know
Speaker 2: your plans, your thoughts, and you're not going to see
Speaker 2: one unless you know. One really screws up big time
Speaker 2: because you know, the noise of a stream or you know,
Speaker 2: windstorm or something, they don't hear you coming or whatever.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but very seldom to hear. Somebody sees
Speaker 2: one that doesn't realize what's going on.
Speaker 1: Did they ever try to tear up the equipment or
Speaker 1: mess with any of your guys and stuff.
Speaker 2: Not that I can recall, no, but I've heard of
Speaker 2: it happening. I've heard of the equipment being destroyed that
Speaker 2: oh Uh, there's a place owhere in Idaho. Uh. It's
Speaker 2: or steep mountain range northeast Oregon and western Idaho. You
Speaker 2: know where the Blue Mountains are in the north northeast
Speaker 2: corner of Oregon and the Snake River comes down the
Speaker 2: state line between Oregon and Idaho. Well, I'm the on
Speaker 2: the east side of the river is a mountain range
Speaker 2: and it's called the Seven Devils. Some real gnarly peaks
Speaker 2: about nine thousand feet and this timber conglomerate that owns
Speaker 2: some males over here in Idaho. I think they sent
Speaker 2: some crews up there to log that and when they
Speaker 2: dropped off the machines and they came back, the machines
Speaker 2: were wrecked. And I don't think they ever logged up there.
Speaker 2: I think the big Foots won't let them in that
Speaker 2: area up on those mountains at all. Anybody goes up
Speaker 2: there gets run out.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I wonder why they call it Seven Devils, because
Speaker 1: a lot of people claim there's like seven to nine
Speaker 1: sasquatching a clan, And it makes me wonder if that's
Speaker 1: why that place is why it has that name.
Speaker 2: Well, I think anything would have named Devils is going
Speaker 2: to be Sasquatched in.
Speaker 1: The area, Yeah, for sure. And I don't know, Idaho
Speaker 1: definitely sounds like a great place for Sasquatch. I mean
Speaker 1: any mountain range with a lot of forests, for sure.
Speaker 1: And I've heard reports in Washington where the loggers found
Speaker 1: a bunch of tracks at the job site and these
Speaker 1: things completely tore up their equipment. Even the big metal
Speaker 1: drums that were filled up. They tossed them like.
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, they've done there, Bluff Creek, that's what happened
Speaker 2: down there. They were pioneering new road and it might
Speaker 2: have been reservational land. I think they're pioneering a new
Speaker 2: road up in there where there's never been a road.
Speaker 2: And you can see the bigfoot tracks in the dirt
Speaker 2: in the morning when they come back to work to
Speaker 2: work on the road, and you can see where they've
Speaker 2: tick them through the spare tire for the front endload
Speaker 2: or across the ravine, and they threw oil drums across
Speaker 2: the ravine where you could never go and retrieve it. Yeah. Now,
Speaker 2: those things are so heavy, you know, it takes four
Speaker 2: guys to move on, you know, to pick one up
Speaker 2: or more. And this thing just throws it quarter of
Speaker 2: a mile across the creek.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's definitely a scary situation for something unknown in
Speaker 1: the woods to be throwing barrels like that like a
Speaker 1: soda can and flipping flipping equipment over. I mean, just
Speaker 1: imagine the strength that would take to like flip over
Speaker 1: a backo.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I've heard that, you know, big bulldozer done
Speaker 2: in California, you know, way back in the sixties or so,
Speaker 2: and some guys were logging down there and they came
Speaker 2: to work and the bulldozer was, you know, a big
Speaker 2: one and it's just crushed with big boulders and they
Speaker 2: just had to take it to the scrap guard and
Speaker 2: sell it for scrap.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, these things can definitely wreak havoc on the land,
Speaker 1: I mean, or at least on people's equipment.
Speaker 2: That's like war, you know, mm hmm. There'd have to
Speaker 2: be a bunch of them to do that.
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, for sure, I wouldn't want to tick them off.
Speaker 1: That's that's a scary situation. And I don't know, like
Speaker 1: it seems like a lot of loggers have had experiences
Speaker 1: with the Sasquatch. A lot of them choose not to
Speaker 1: talk about it, and it makes me wonder, like, how
Speaker 1: many crews have experienced a situation like that and they're
Speaker 1: not allowed to tell people or they're told to just
Speaker 1: go log somewhere else. I wonder what the protocol is
Speaker 1: with loggers.
Speaker 2: Well, it's the lagger probably says, well, you know, we
Speaker 2: just can't logger. This is, you know, weird stuff's going on.
Speaker 2: I can't afford the damage. We're gonna have to go
Speaker 2: find similar place to work. Because if they're destroying your machines,
Speaker 2: what's threatening your people throwing things at them? Stuff? You
Speaker 2: got to get out of there.
Speaker 1: M I always wanted to ask a logger this question.
Speaker 1: Here in Missouri, I had some bigfoot activity in a
Speaker 1: conservation area and I back to check out the spot
Speaker 1: where I was hearing wood knocks about two or three
Speaker 1: months after I heard the wood knocks because I was
Speaker 1: waiting for deer season to end. But when I walked
Speaker 1: into this pine thicket across the field, I found all
Speaker 1: these structures, just huge axes everywhere. There are very symmetrical
Speaker 1: arches and just strange geometrical patterns with the trees. And
Speaker 1: later on they marked the trees. There was like this
Speaker 1: red paint, like this red dash on the big pines,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh man, they're gonna log this
Speaker 1: area because they know there's bigfoot here. But they never
Speaker 1: logged a single tree. And those those lines are now fading,
Speaker 1: Like I feel like they mark them to let other
Speaker 1: loggers like bypass the area, like don't touch this spot.
Speaker 1: This is their territory. And I don't know. I wonder
Speaker 1: if that was just conservation or the loggers themselves. Have
Speaker 1: you guys ever seen anything like that, like, hey, these
Speaker 1: trees are marked, means don't cut them. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: what's your take on it?
Speaker 2: Well, sometimes the way it's done, Miguel is if you're
Speaker 2: going to leave the majority of the trees, you mark
Speaker 2: the ones that are going to be taken. If you're
Speaker 2: going to take the majority of the trees, you mark
Speaker 2: the ones that are going to be left. Well, you
Speaker 2: don't use as much pain.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: A it's a le it's a leave mark, it's not
Speaker 2: a take take mark.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's probably what was going on there, like leave
Speaker 1: these trees, don't cut them.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, that's what's going on. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you feel like when people log a section
Speaker 1: of woods that it pushes them to another area or do.
Speaker 2: You think they just for sure, I think they do
Speaker 2: because they don't want to be seen and they do
Speaker 2: want to have freedom of movement. Yeah, you know, they're
Speaker 2: probably moving in the dark most of the time. But
Speaker 2: if they're in the timber or the brush, you know,
Speaker 2: they're really secure and they could be hounting in there
Speaker 2: or whatever. Just you know, in wide open it's not
Speaker 2: easy to hunt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's accurate. When I had my bigfoot,
Speaker 1: I sight and encounters here way off in the distance
Speaker 1: in the deep woods. For about a year or two,
Speaker 1: I could hear someone chainsawing just NonStop. I think they
Speaker 1: were making like huge fields for cattle. But I feel
Speaker 1: like they pushed them towards me because where I'm at
Speaker 1: it's not too far away from the nearby town, and
Speaker 1: I think that's where they were living at.
Speaker 2: Well. I think it also depends on the food sources.
Speaker 2: You know, if there's crops or wild game or something
Speaker 2: in an area. I don't think it matters if there's
Speaker 2: any timber or brush at all. They'll come there at
Speaker 2: night if they can and take whatever they need.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, And I feel like the sound of
Speaker 1: a chainsaw can really disrupt their senses, at least it
Speaker 1: does with me. When I use a chainsaw for a
Speaker 1: long time, it's almost like the sound vibrates through the
Speaker 1: roots in the ground and like after you stop, like
Speaker 1: your ears are like ringing really bad. So I'm sure,
Speaker 1: I'm sure it bothers them. I've also heard of people
Speaker 1: being chased on Harley's I think the sound just disrupts them.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Well, there's a guy over here in Oregon
Speaker 2: that I'm talking to, and he said he's heard Hardy
Speaker 2: Gavidson's going up through the brush on the mountain where
Speaker 2: there's no trail at all. He's heard back couple arms
Speaker 2: like fork cliffs have eat eat eat deep in the
Speaker 2: woods where there's no no road, no trail or nothing.
Speaker 2: They'll make all kinds of weird sounds. And well on
Speaker 2: Morehead said he's heard middle clanging sounds up on the
Speaker 2: seilers where there was no roads. You know, they could
Speaker 2: make all kinds of weird sounds. Well, why are they
Speaker 2: doing it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard people say that on the channel before
Speaker 1: that they heard like a motorcycle going through the woods
Speaker 1: where there's no roads. It's like a steep ravine and
Speaker 1: a lot of people talk about like the metal doors
Speaker 1: being shut. People have mentioned that possibly it's the portal
Speaker 1: opening up, or these things are mimicking the sounds of machinery,
Speaker 1: and yeah, that's that's speaking about.
Speaker 2: Maybe they've got machinery under the ground. Who knows. There's
Speaker 2: so much we don't know. It's just like what we
Speaker 2: do have clues. We do have clues because you know,
Speaker 2: you hear all these different accounts and a lot of
Speaker 2: them say the same thing, and so it kind of
Speaker 2: you know, they're validating each other. So you kind of think, well,
Speaker 2: that's probably going on. You know, everybody else is saying
Speaker 2: the same thing I that I saw or heard, and
Speaker 2: but there's got to be more than what people are reporting. No, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're we're not seeing and hearing at all.
Speaker 1: M Yeah, I agree. I mean we may not know
Speaker 1: exactly what's going on, but with the information that we
Speaker 1: have today, I feel like we've come along ways compared
Speaker 1: to like the seventies, Like, oh yeah, we know heck
Speaker 1: of a lot more, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: Well, the internet's been a key to a lot of knowledge.
Speaker 2: You know, people are spreading knowledge like crazy because they
Speaker 2: can communicate it with the Internet, where they you know,
Speaker 2: the amount of people they meet on the street, there's
Speaker 2: nothing compared to the people on the internet. People that
Speaker 2: have had the same experience on the internet, you know,
Speaker 2: you can connect with them pretty easy. But yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: going to go talk to everybody on the street about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you, And I'm sure there's a
Speaker 1: lot of hunters that hear this information and say, I've
Speaker 1: been out in the woods, I've been everywhere and I've
Speaker 1: never experienced anything.
Speaker 2: But I said the same thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they might experience it, and they'll know what's going
Speaker 1: on when they do, because they've listened to these podcasts.
Speaker 2: Well, if you don't hear other people's experiences, you don't
Speaker 2: stop and think about your own unless it was you know,
Speaker 2: really obviously, like the things screaming in my camp, you know, like,
Speaker 2: how do you put that? You can't make sense of that.
Speaker 2: But if other people have heard it and seen it, like,
Speaker 2: that's probably what it was because nothing else could do that. Mm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got to report from a lady in Oregon.
Speaker 1: She said on one of the mountains at nighttime, she
Speaker 1: could hear one of these things screaming every night, just
Speaker 1: like what you described. And her theory was it was
Speaker 1: like giving birth or having a like it was having
Speaker 1: a baby.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I think that's a problem with guil because
Speaker 2: people want to relate everything that they see and hear
Speaker 2: to the human experience, and I don't think you can
Speaker 2: do that. I think that they have different motives and
Speaker 2: different habits, and they're too different to try to put
Speaker 2: human uh emotions or habits onto them. They're just not
Speaker 2: like us. They're they've got reasons, different reasons for what
Speaker 2: they do than what we do. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: Actually going to some island where the natives have never
Speaker 2: seen civilization and then take them to New York and
Speaker 2: drop them offwardly, it's another world, you know, it's it's
Speaker 2: not going to work. And I think that the Bigfoots
Speaker 2: and the humans there's a divide there too, in their
Speaker 2: life that we live, in the life that they lived,
Speaker 2: it's so different that you can only grasp pieces of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, And I think that's the most captivating
Speaker 1: thing is that we're both living on the same planet,
Speaker 1: but like they haven't been discovered or people can't figure
Speaker 1: them out. But yet we're utilizing the same forest and
Speaker 1: these things have been able to evade humans, so well.
Speaker 2: I could. I think that they. I think that they
Speaker 2: can get into your head and make you forget what
Speaker 2: you saw. If they can, if they can mind speak
Speaker 2: to you and give you images, why couldn't they take
Speaker 2: them away or replace them, or you know, make you
Speaker 2: think you have a memory that you really didn't before
Speaker 2: or whatever. I think that they have a mental building,
Speaker 2: mental abilities that are far beyond what humans do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that could explain missing time.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, well even to deal with the UFO. The
Speaker 2: guy that was with me, he saw God out and
Speaker 2: saw the thing and now he says it never happened. Yeah, like,
Speaker 2: how did that? How could you not remember that? That's
Speaker 2: the biggest, weirdest thing in your whole life and you
Speaker 2: forgot it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I've had an experience like that with a buddy.
Speaker 1: We saw a hell hound run in front of the vehicle,
Speaker 1: and I know he saw it. We both talked about
Speaker 1: it in your later. I asked him about it and
Speaker 1: he was like, I don't remember that. It's like what, I.
Speaker 2: Think that they can manipulate our minds to a degree.
Speaker 1: I definitely think that. Or some people just try to
Speaker 1: block it out too and try to forget about it,
Speaker 1: like explain that it didn't happen to themselves.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe they can, Maybe they can make you forget it,
Speaker 2: and then something triggers that memory later and it comes back.
Speaker 2: That's a lot of weird stuff. And I don't care
Speaker 2: people think I'm crazy or not. That's just the way
Speaker 2: I saw it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, they can think we're crazy. But if it
Speaker 1: helps somebody else who've who's had one of these experiences,
Speaker 1: or somebody who's never experienced anything at all that runs
Speaker 1: into these creatures, then you know we did our job.
Speaker 1: We warned them.
Speaker 2: Well, how many people are still today thinking I got
Speaker 2: to be crazy? I did. I couldn't have seen that.
Speaker 2: I have to be going crazy. And then they listen
Speaker 2: to a podcast where somebody saw the same thing and
Speaker 2: they get relief.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for sure, And that's what the podcast is for.
Speaker 1: I often wonder if there's people out there who have
Speaker 1: had terrifying encounters with these things and they just chose
Speaker 1: to end live or ended up like in a mental institute.
Speaker 1: You know, like who knows what definitely, like what type
Speaker 1: of effect this could have on an individual.
Speaker 2: Oh, I guarantee there's people that are themselves over it. Guaranteed. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because they just they just can't their mind can't take it.
Speaker 2: They go insane, I'm crazy, I'm crazy. This is And
Speaker 2: because it once something like that happens to you and
Speaker 2: you realize what it is, you can't let it go. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's going to bother you the rest of your life. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: so I people start mouthing off about it, you know,
Speaker 2: all big foot. There's some big foot. I hope you
Speaker 2: never see one, buddy, because once they once they get
Speaker 2: in your head, that's it. They're there. And I don't
Speaker 2: think there's any way you can get rid of them
Speaker 2: at all in any way except with Jesus' name. You
Speaker 2: just tell them the name of Jesus, you leave me alone.
Speaker 2: Other than that, they're too powerful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. And it's scary to think of like
Speaker 1: what they're capable of if you run into them. Because
Speaker 1: I've taken a lot of reports where people talk about
Speaker 1: the mind speak, and you know a lot of these
Speaker 1: folks like sound terrified, like they ran into this big
Speaker 1: male that was like twelve foot tall, and it spoke
Speaker 1: to them through their mind and they never wanted to
Speaker 1: come on the channel. You could just tell that it
Speaker 1: really bothered them, and you know, they just end up
Speaker 1: disappearing and I never hear from them again. I never
Speaker 1: post the report because I never got that far. But
Speaker 1: it's just like, man, this is happening to a lot
Speaker 1: of people.
Speaker 2: Have you heard of Chuck Jacobs.
Speaker 1: I haven't.
Speaker 2: He's down in Arizona. Well Steve is though, you know him. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he was gonna fly to Arizona and meet Chuck and
Speaker 2: his friends because they have a group called the Arizona
Speaker 2: Four and there they mind speak and see club sasquatches
Speaker 2: like all the time. And they said, they told Steve,
Speaker 2: you come down here and you're gonna meet him, and
Speaker 2: he some of the natives up there in brigs clumb
Speaker 2: you're talking out of it. They said, don't don't go.
Speaker 2: We don't want to have any contact with these things.
Speaker 2: And well, Chuck. I talked to Chuck and told him
Speaker 2: what you know, everything I've told you, and he said, well, uh,
Speaker 2: we're talking about the one that I saw here in
Speaker 2: the trash And he says, oh, we were talking about
Speaker 2: the dream, that's what it was. And I was a
Speaker 2: telling Chuck, you know, I think I think they'd been here,
Speaker 2: but maybe the same one like five or six times,
Speaker 2: and he says, well, just go outside and talk to him,
Speaker 2: go ask her name. And I went outside and I
Speaker 2: says something like, you know fast quatches or if you
Speaker 2: run here, Oh, what's your name? And I knew nothing.
Speaker 2: I started to walk in the house and all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, Michael came into my head. I'm like, did
Speaker 2: I just tell myself Michael or did that come into
Speaker 2: my head? That's weird mm hm. Why would I answer
Speaker 2: myself when I was waiting for an answer.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I've definitely experienced it before, but it wasn't what
Speaker 1: the crypt did. It was with the paranormal. Inside my
Speaker 1: friend's house, something said Miguel right in my ear, and
Speaker 1: it was a female's voice. It sounded like my friend's sister.
Speaker 1: And I even turned around said what and there was
Speaker 1: no one there that spooked me. I don't know if
Speaker 1: that was mine speaker, if something actually like said my name.
Speaker 2: Somebody did mh you know, either vocally or mentally. Yeah, normally.
Speaker 2: The way I see it is, your first impression is
Speaker 2: probably right when you start doubting and trying to, you know,
Speaker 2: make sense of something that doesn't make sense, you confuse it.
Speaker 2: I think your first your first impression is usually pretty
Speaker 2: close to exactly right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. I definitely feel for all the people
Speaker 1: that have encountered these things, especially when they experience the
Speaker 1: paranormal side to it. It's just a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of weight on your shoulders, and it can definitely
Speaker 1: cause your mind a spiral and to just like keep
Speaker 1: thinking about it over and over and over and over.
Speaker 2: Oh, it can unravel your whole life. You here people
Speaker 2: from themselves. You're a marriages breaking up. Oh. People try
Speaker 2: to the relatives what happened, and they're they're scoffed. You know,
Speaker 2: that laughed at the rest of their life. The crazy
Speaker 2: guy thinks Bigfoot's real. You know, they're terrorized so bad
Speaker 2: when you're at the hunting cabin. They can never go back.
Speaker 2: Oh there, you know, they have nothing but nightmares. It's
Speaker 2: just you just want to talk to those people and
Speaker 2: tell them you know, it's real deal and there's there
Speaker 2: are there are ways to get your mind around it
Speaker 2: and get your life back. You know, well, you're not
Speaker 2: just scared to death and doubting yourself if you're going crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, that's the worst feeling when you tell your
Speaker 1: family and they doubt you and tell you that it
Speaker 1: was probably just a deer a bear. And I have
Speaker 1: talked to people who've encounter bigfoot and shortly after their
Speaker 1: wives ended up leaving, and that's a sad thing.
Speaker 2: Well, I think part of that is because you just
Speaker 2: can't think of you're you become obsessed with you know,
Speaker 2: if you really know what it was, if you've really
Speaker 2: got a good look at it, you're like, oh man,
Speaker 2: oh they're they're real, They're real. Wow, And then you
Speaker 2: want to know more, and then that drives the wedge
Speaker 2: between you and your partner.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I've also spoken to a lot of people who
Speaker 1: have seen these things and their partners are completely supportive
Speaker 1: and they've had healthy relationships. It can go both ways,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they can.
Speaker 2: I'm sure there are some instances where it helps people
Speaker 2: to get their life together when they see something like that,
Speaker 2: because they start questioning anything and everything and looking for answers,
Speaker 2: and it helps them. I think it's sometimes it does
Speaker 2: help them to get their life together when they start
Speaker 2: being you know, something makes them forces them to become
Speaker 2: more focused and pay more attention.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. And I don't oh man, I just
Speaker 1: can't imagine.
Speaker 2: I can't. I can't. I can't prove anything, and this
Speaker 2: is just just my impression of everything. But I'm not
Speaker 2: afraid to tell it to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And I appreciate the way you relay this
Speaker 1: information and you were the real deal. I really appreciate
Speaker 1: your kindness and I wish there was more people like
Speaker 1: you on this in this planet. Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, the way I look at it's kind of
Speaker 2: like being neighbors. You know, we can't share unless we
Speaker 2: take the first step. You know, you got to say, hey,
Speaker 2: you know, I got something. If you're interested, you know,
Speaker 2: and if it's it might be important to you, well
Speaker 2: you could just ignore, you know, turn your back and
Speaker 2: just ignore everybody. Well, that's no way to be. There's
Speaker 2: are different like like Chuck in Arizona. He thinks we
Speaker 2: all need to be friends with him because he hasn't
Speaker 2: had a bad experience and he's had so much mind
Speaker 2: speak from all over the country, even from Russia, and
Speaker 2: if you watch his channel, you're going to see some
Speaker 2: mind blowing stuff. And he's just like me. He talks
Speaker 2: just like me. He'll tell you, tell you what he
Speaker 2: saw and what he thinks, and and then you can
Speaker 2: take it and run with it. Or or ignore it.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter, you know, it just it is what
Speaker 2: it is, and uh, he's just putting it out there
Speaker 2: for those that are interested.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, there's two sides to the coin. And I
Speaker 1: just feel like, you know, you can't trust these things
Speaker 1: because we don't know their intentions and what they're fully
Speaker 1: capable of. You just never know.
Speaker 2: That's that's the thing is, their abilities are so far
Speaker 2: beyond ours. It's like you're playing with fire.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Like we discussed earlier, if they told us, we
Speaker 1: probably still wouldn't understand.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Well, Chuck says that he's got a few
Speaker 2: people and a handful of Sasquatches that are students. They
Speaker 2: get mind speak lessons from some of the elders regularly.
Speaker 2: They're being told kernels of the truth, and they're even
Speaker 2: being told some of the stuff that's going to come
Speaker 2: in the future. But they are kind of cryptic about
Speaker 2: how they tell you, and they don't have the same
Speaker 2: concept of time that we do at all, so some
Speaker 2: of the stuff doesn't come across in the translation. I
Speaker 2: think some of the things that they're telling humans people
Speaker 2: can't can't understand it fully. But they're saying that there's
Speaker 2: something really powerful going to happen to the world soon.
Speaker 2: It's going to affect them and us. Yeah that's not good.
Speaker 1: Oh man. Yeah, that's scary to think about. And a
Speaker 1: lot of people talk about how these things are just
Speaker 1: waiting to reveal themselves.
Speaker 2: Well, we're going to find out. The Bible says everything
Speaker 2: hidden is going to be revealed, and I believe it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's a time and a place for everything, and we're
Speaker 2: going to know. We're going to find out eventually the
Speaker 2: big picture about the Bigfoot and how they fit into
Speaker 2: God's plan and or the Devil's plan or whoever. You know.
Speaker 2: And I don't I don't, like I said before, I
Speaker 2: don't think they're all good, and I don't think they're
Speaker 2: all bad. And I don't think they're all the same individuals.
Speaker 2: And some of the natives have said they're not all
Speaker 2: the same. Some are, some are good, and some are bad,
Speaker 2: and some are supernatural and some are not, and the
Speaker 2: supernatural ones are imitating the good ones and tried to
Speaker 2: give them all a bad name.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point there. I never thought about that.
Speaker 1: And you know, there could really be like unknown creatures
Speaker 1: out there in the woods, and there could be other
Speaker 1: forms of beings imitating them, trying to deceive us. So
Speaker 1: it's really hard to say. I mean, once you really
Speaker 1: start thinking about it, you just become more confused.
Speaker 2: Well everybody says the more you find out, the less
Speaker 2: you know. Mm hm oh, yeah, you find out there
Speaker 2: is so much going on, and it's just how do
Speaker 2: you get your You can't get your hands on a knowledge.
Speaker 2: It has to come to you, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah. One thing we can say for certain is these
Speaker 1: things are out there in the forest.
Speaker 2: Well I can't say. It's just like anything, you have
Speaker 2: to find out for yourself where it's not real, it's
Speaker 2: somebody else's knowledge. Once you find out for yourself, then
Speaker 2: you know you're not just going on somebody else's words.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, I don't expect anyone to believe my encounters,
Speaker 1: but it does help others who have seen these things,
Speaker 1: and it might help people that run into them.
Speaker 2: So I have no doubt. There's got to be people
Speaker 2: that are just thinking they're going crazy. Are people who
Speaker 2: just can't handle it. They're just driving them crazy, you know,
Speaker 2: whether they're scared the disk to do anything. They can't
Speaker 2: go out of their house, they can't you know, be
Speaker 2: anywhere or can't go hiding and fishing anymore, they can't
Speaker 2: go in the forest.
Speaker 1: M hm oh, yeah, for sure. It seems like these
Speaker 1: things like to target people who live way out in
Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere by themselves. It's like, who's going
Speaker 1: to believe you? You're by yourself, and that's a scary situation.
Speaker 1: It's like you're on your own in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or somebody who isn't doesn't have any real standing
Speaker 2: in the community. Well, they wouldn't believe them anyway, you know,
Speaker 2: let's go play with them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, it seems like they know who to target.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's weird, really weird that we could never
Speaker 2: know what they know. I know that.
Speaker 1: They got to be super intelligent to have ahead the
Speaker 1: size of a bucket or the diameter of a full
Speaker 1: sized pine tree, or like the size of a bison.
Speaker 1: You know, they're intelligent. I mean that. Well that goes
Speaker 1: without saying.
Speaker 2: Well, the government, that's a whole nother ballgame. When the
Speaker 2: gut you know about the government and the Smithsonian and whatnot,
Speaker 2: you know, trying to do away with all the bodies
Speaker 2: and keep it quiet. And I've had black helicopter. Hear
Speaker 2: on my property with no markings and guys, four guys
Speaker 2: hanging out the doors, hovering over a tree, you know,
Speaker 2: fifty feet off the ground. Just give me an evil eye.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've had that same experience here.
Speaker 2: What are you doing here? What are you doing here?
Speaker 2: M They may have been hunting for sasquatch.
Speaker 1: I think so, because when the blackhawks were here, there
Speaker 1: was a lot of Sasquatch activity and it was constant,
Speaker 1: like every other day you'd see them flying over the
Speaker 1: trees and they did the same thing. One just hovered
Speaker 1: right above me and I could see the pilot looking
Speaker 1: down at me. He was wearing a helmet, and he
Speaker 1: just gave me the deaths there. I felt like I
Speaker 1: was going to get shot in the back.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, these guys were giving me the evil eye.
Speaker 2: None of the guys had helmets on, but the pilots.
Speaker 2: And this is one of those smaller McDonald doug was
Speaker 2: five hundred t high speed kill squad helicopters. You know,
Speaker 2: they just a bunch of guys hang out the door
Speaker 2: with rifles and shoot. And all these guys had black uniforms,
Speaker 2: would know insignia. They were close enough. I could see
Speaker 2: they didn't have any patches on the uniforms, but they're
Speaker 2: all wearing the same uniforms. Yeah, and the helicopter was black.
Speaker 2: Would know insignia whatever whatsoever. It was like black ops
Speaker 2: kind of deal that nobody's supposed to know about. And
Speaker 2: I'm not I'll bet you they could fight to the
Speaker 2: closest Air Force base and playing minutes soho. And we
Speaker 2: have a survival school here in this county for the
Speaker 2: Air Force, but you know that's the main one in
Speaker 2: the country. I think they fly up here and drop
Speaker 2: the guys off and do the survival thing, you know,
Speaker 2: escape and evasion and learn all that. But I'm sure
Speaker 2: those guys were something different. Yeah, the guys in the
Speaker 2: black helicopter, I don't think they were associated with that
Speaker 2: at all. I think they were shadow government guys.
Speaker 1: I think so too. I Mean, it was hard enough
Speaker 1: dealing with the Bigfoot. It's like what are they doing here?
Speaker 1: But then when you see the shadow government or whatever
Speaker 1: it is military around, it's like what the heck's going on?
Speaker 1: And just the ORBS, the UFOs, other cryptids, it's like
Speaker 1: there's something going on here. And it was definitely like
Speaker 1: a skinwalker ranch situation.
Speaker 2: Yeap, And there's a it's going to come to life
Speaker 2: one day, Miguel. People are going to start finding out
Speaker 2: what's really going on, I believe.
Speaker 1: I think so. No, no, they can't.
Speaker 2: And I think when the time comes to Sasquat, you're
Speaker 2: gonna tell us the good one. They're gonna tell us
Speaker 2: what's going on. I do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then we're gonna have to discern is that
Speaker 1: information actually accurate or are we being deceived? And yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll just become more confused with the more information.
Speaker 2: That we figure out are we interpreting it wrong.
Speaker 1: I think whatever happens in the future is definitely going
Speaker 1: to challenge religion and science and just the world as
Speaker 1: we know it.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, I agree with that. I understand. It's just
Speaker 2: becoming more and more apparent that what is normal to
Speaker 2: us is is that's not all there is. There's a
Speaker 2: lot more.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's hard enough just to understand politics, let alone
Speaker 1: when you're talking about big foot aliens and shadow governments.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. And then there's you know, the dimensional thing.
Speaker 2: Scientists say there's eleven dimensions that east and these things
Speaker 2: disappear and reappear, and they uh, they told Chuck. Today,
Speaker 2: they're having a big Sasquatch gathering because of the solstice,
Speaker 2: and they get together and they can travel by portal
Speaker 2: great distances in just a tiny bit of time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would make sense. I mean, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of reports out there throughout North America and they're pretty
Speaker 1: much describing the clan a Sasquatch that I've seen here
Speaker 1: in Missouri. It makes me wonder. I've heard people say
Speaker 1: that it's the same ones, they're just traveling two different areas,
Speaker 1: like interdimensionally.
Speaker 2: Have you seen have you seen the face of one?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I have.
Speaker 2: What kind of face to have?
Speaker 1: The adult one that I encountered, it had like a
Speaker 1: round head, almond black eyes, long thin lips, flat nose
Speaker 1: like old and wrinkly skin like an old Native American.
Speaker 1: But the juvenile that I encountered, it looked completely different.
Speaker 1: This thing was covered in and fur and he had big, round,
Speaker 1: wide eyes and a huge, conical shaped head. I mean
Speaker 1: they've all looked a little different.
Speaker 2: Well, all humans look different too.
Speaker 1: M hm.
Speaker 2: You could take the weirdest looking person you've ever seen,
Speaker 2: and you know, a person from Vady contest or a
Speaker 2: movie star, and they're way different. You know. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: there's a lot of variation between us. Why wouldn't there
Speaker 2: be between them? You know, like the ones in my dream,
Speaker 2: The smaller coco brown one look like a person with
Speaker 2: hair all over, you know, and the other and it
Speaker 2: looked like it could have been anybody, maybe a little
Speaker 2: bit Afro American, you know kind of face. But the
Speaker 2: big one, he kind of looked like Native American, a black,
Speaker 2: black skin, kind of a long nose, big jaw, big big,
Speaker 2: broad rage conical head and no neck. Uh. He must
Speaker 2: have had fairly long here because I don't remember a
Speaker 2: lot of muscle definition. Just he was massive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that definitely makes sense as far as
Speaker 1: they all look different, But this was like the same clan,
Speaker 1: the same family, and it's almost like one look like
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift, the other one looked like Shaquille O'Neal, and
Speaker 1: one looked like Rosie o'donald, Like you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like in a family, like they should look similar, like, oh,
Speaker 1: I can tell that that's your brother. But that's not
Speaker 1: always the case, right.
Speaker 2: I've heard that if the female Sasquatch isn't faithful, the
Speaker 2: male or just dumper walk away. So they're not DNA
Speaker 2: testing their kids to see who's the father, so they
Speaker 2: could come up with some different looking kids, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 2: don't necessarily look like one of the other parents. Mhm.
Speaker 2: But they do supposedly, they do expect that they're mate
Speaker 2: to be faithful. They don't. They're just not like animals.
Speaker 2: They have morals too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could see that for sure.
Speaker 2: They're just they're too smart to be now anything animalistic
Speaker 2: at all, other than you know, their power and the
Speaker 2: way they go through the their forest and whatnot.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now they if they didn't have if they didn't have
Speaker 2: hair and new work clothes, people could probably accept them.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, there's definitely a lot to think about this podcast,
Speaker 1: and I'm definitely going to, I don't know, give me
Speaker 1: more insight for the future.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just got to have an open mind or
Speaker 2: you're stupid. I mean, yeah, you have to pay attention.
Speaker 2: The more you learn, the more your head's on a swivel,
Speaker 2: the more your ears are peaked, Like what what did
Speaker 2: I I walk out? Sorr. I'm always listening good night anymore,
Speaker 2: you know, and take a light and if I'm going
Speaker 2: very far, I take a gun. Who knows what's out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. The best researcher is the one that remains
Speaker 1: open minded to all the possibilities. And I feel like
Speaker 1: researchers that say, like anyone who sees a dog man
Speaker 1: is probably on medication or misidentified a bigfoot, things like that,
Speaker 1: you're closing yourself off. And it's just good to be
Speaker 1: open minded in case you run into it and you
Speaker 1: can say, Okay, this is what's going on.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. I used to say, well, bigfoots just somebody's
Speaker 2: somebody's lying. You know, I haven't seen them. I've been
Speaker 2: in the woods twenty years. I never saw anything like that.
Speaker 2: Not there. I don't know anybody that's ever seen anything
Speaker 2: like that. It can't be. And then you know UFOs
Speaker 2: and stuff. Until you see one, it's undeniable. It's right
Speaker 2: there and it's impossible. You have to start thinking what
Speaker 2: else it's impossible is real?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you, And there's the same way
Speaker 1: with me. I mean, I was open to it, but
Speaker 1: then I was like, I don't know about all this,
Speaker 1: and then I had the encounters and it's like, wow,
Speaker 1: all those people.
Speaker 2: Were right, Yeah, and how many of them? How many,
Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands over the years have had experiences and
Speaker 2: nobody wilieved them and might even cost somebody's life. Like
Speaker 2: one of those things just tip so and so and
Speaker 2: rent off of the woods with them and they go, oh,
Speaker 2: you're crazy. They just wandered off, you know, and then
Speaker 2: it happens again, and nobody does anything about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, and they're still doing that today. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: it was just due to mental health. They got lost
Speaker 1: in the woods, and you just never know, and just
Speaker 1: people keep going missing. So it's hard to say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a lot of that slip under the
Speaker 2: rug missing people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they just give us the logical explanation, not the
Speaker 1: cryptid out of the norm explanation.
Speaker 2: How many times has somebody said, the monster took my
Speaker 2: kid or whatever, They just lock them in the nuthouse. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that had to happen before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's scary to think about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, just take it one day at a time
Speaker 2: and be careful and pay attention, and that's all you
Speaker 2: can do.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I agree with you, And yeah, Renee, you did
Speaker 1: an excellent job, and I really appreciate you for opening
Speaker 1: up about these experiences that you've had. And I've always
Speaker 1: wondered to myself, if there's loggers out there who have
Speaker 1: ran into these creatures and maybe they're just not telling anyone.
Speaker 1: So in this case, I'm glad that you reached out
Speaker 1: to me and you were open about everything you've experienced.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I literally ran into one fifty hour. I never
Speaker 2: saw the face, so maybe it was a different crypto,
Speaker 2: but it was on four legs and it was good.
Speaker 2: You know, the description of a dog man and stuff
Speaker 2: doesn't match. This thing was proportions that they give to
Speaker 2: the Sasquatch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that just tells me that they're closer than
Speaker 1: what people may think. If they're by the job site
Speaker 1: or on the highway. They're not just in the deepest,
Speaker 1: most remote for us. They're watching us, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, definitely. I think the cloak and they
Speaker 2: go into town and I see what they can find.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's scary to think about it.
Speaker 2: Not all of them. Well, you know, you've got to
Speaker 2: stop and think. If you're a hunting and there's krugers
Speaker 2: in the area, the greatest threat is going to be
Speaker 2: either juvenile it's not very wise or something, or an
Speaker 2: older one that's getting too old, hot and asked to
Speaker 2: find an angle to get easy killed. You know, the
Speaker 2: ones that are in their prime are going to stay
Speaker 2: away from people in any dangerous areas. And I think
Speaker 2: that the same thing goes for the ones that go
Speaker 2: into town or whatever. I think it's the younger ones
Speaker 2: and the ones that can't hardly survive on with their
Speaker 2: own abilities anymore. They're going to be looking for something
Speaker 2: easy and taking more chances, just like animals.
Speaker 1: I agree with that for sure.
Speaker 2: You and I would do the same thing in the
Speaker 2: same situation. We would try to find an angle, find
Speaker 2: an angle where we could survive easier if we're having
Speaker 2: too much of a struggle or if our judgment is poor.
Speaker 2: You know, young guys in diff in prison and dead
Speaker 2: because of some of their stupid decisions, and you live
Speaker 2: long enough to give some wisdom, you don't. You don't
Speaker 2: take those risks anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, these things are opportunistic beings and that's just
Speaker 1: how it is.
Speaker 2: Mm hm. Well, one thing about it is once once
Speaker 2: you have come, they come across you, you come across them,
Speaker 2: the game is on and other things are going to happen.
Speaker 2: You're going to run across them again. And I think
Speaker 2: We're going to find out the truth about them in
Speaker 2: the future if we live long enough. Why they're here,
Speaker 2: what they're doing, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all up, I think so too, and I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be something that just completely rocks our foundation,
Speaker 1: and I just hope we can handle it.
Speaker 2: I don't think we're gonna be able to, but we're
Speaker 2: gonna have to, right, Yeah, I don't think we're gonna
Speaker 2: have The government's not gonna support us in anything. It's
Speaker 2: going to be just the people. Yeah, what Steve says,
Speaker 2: he says it all the time. You know, it's it's
Speaker 2: up to the people. It's not the government. It doesn't
Speaker 2: want us to know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the information war is true, and that's what we're
Speaker 1: dealing with with the sasquatch topic and many many other things.
Speaker 1: All right, Renee, Well I'm gonna let you go for now,
Speaker 1: and I really appreciate your time. If you encounter anything
Speaker 1: else in the future, feel free to reach out to me.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I'll do it.
Speaker 1: All right, Thank you so much for everything, and I'm
Speaker 1: extremely grateful.
Speaker 2: Well, no problem. I like to share if I think
Speaker 2: you can do any good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you came to the right place.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, you have a good day.
Speaker 1: All right, you two, and you take care of yourself, okay.
Speaker 2: All right, I will.
Speaker 1: Renee's experiences raise a lot of questions, especially for people
Speaker 1: who spend their lives outdoors. If these encounters happen the
Speaker 1: way he remembers them, why didn't they become more violent?
Speaker 1: Were the screams, the roads being blocked by trees, rock clacks,
Speaker 1: and the vehicle incident acts of intimidation, communication, or simply
Speaker 1: territorial behavior. Whether you agree with Renee's conclusions or not,
Speaker 1: one thing stands out. After decades in logging and in
Speaker 1: remote wilderness, he says, these experiences never felt random. If
Speaker 1: you've had encounters in northern California around Mount Last logging roads,
Speaker 1: remote camps, or have experienced strange screams, structures, voices, or
Speaker 1: unexplained activity in the woods, send your encounter to sasquatch theory.
Speaker 1: I would really like to hear about it. Renee nailed
Speaker 1: it on the head when he said he didn't only
Speaker 1: run into his sasquatch, the sasquatch ran into him. And
Speaker 1: can you imagine the power this creature had to fully
Speaker 1: stop a vehicle that was moving fifty five miles an
Speaker 1: hour on a highway. It had been pretty powerful and
Speaker 1: it didn't injure the Sasquatch. It ran off into the woods,
Speaker 1: and I really do feel like he disrupted their habitat
Speaker 1: and they were simply being territorial. If you enjoy today's episode,
Speaker 1: subscribe to the channel. Feel free to share your own encounter,
Speaker 1: and until the next one, you guys be safe out
Speaker 1: in the woods.