1 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 1: And we are back with another edition of the Federalist 2 00:00:20,559 --> 00:00:23,879 Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, senior elections correspondent at the 3 00:00:23,879 --> 00:00:28,480 Federalist and your experienced Shirpa on today's quest for knowledge. 4 00:00:28,879 --> 00:00:31,920 As always, you can email the show at radio at 5 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:36,200 the Federalist dot com, follow us on x at FDR LST, 6 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,880 make sure to subscribe wherever you download your podcast, and 7 00:00:41,039 --> 00:00:44,359 of course to the premium version of our website as well. 8 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:48,119 Our guest today is Katie Faust, author of the great 9 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:53,799 new book pro Child Politics. It challenges the selfish quo 10 00:00:54,079 --> 00:00:59,399 by centering children in all cultural and political conversations. Katie, 11 00:00:59,399 --> 00:01:01,719 Welcome to the Federalist Radio Hour. And let me say 12 00:01:01,719 --> 00:01:02,920 it is about time. 13 00:01:03,679 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 2: Oh well, it's about time you and I met, Matt. 14 00:01:06,159 --> 00:01:08,400 I've been on a couple other times for a few 15 00:01:08,439 --> 00:01:11,840 other projects, but this one is very, very timely, especially 16 00:01:11,879 --> 00:01:14,319 with your foot in the election coverage. I think that 17 00:01:14,359 --> 00:01:16,519 this is going to be of serious interest to your listeners. 18 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,719 Speaker 1: As we said before we started the podcast today, there's 19 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,040 nothing quite like the smell of a freshly printed book. 20 00:01:23,079 --> 00:01:26,680 And you have them, and they are moving out in 21 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:31,359 full scale right now. Let's talk about the background behind 22 00:01:31,439 --> 00:01:34,200 the book. I guess why you decided, and I think 23 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:36,400 I can fully understand. But why you decided to take 24 00:01:36,439 --> 00:01:38,159 on this project, Well, it. 25 00:01:38,079 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 2: Was not on my twenty twenty four Bingo card, that's 26 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,799 for sure. I wasn't thinking we were going to do 27 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,000 this book at the turn of the year. I run 28 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:50,120 the nonprofit Them Before Us, which largely centers the child 29 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,599 in conversations around marriage and family, and have been on 30 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,560 the Federals Radio Hour. I'm a frequent contributor at the 31 00:01:56,599 --> 00:02:02,920 Federalist in related matters, things like definition of family, redefinition 32 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,159 of marriage. So that's typically where I put the thrust 33 00:02:06,159 --> 00:02:09,439 of my attention. But I have broadened that out to 34 00:02:09,719 --> 00:02:14,560 defending children in all different cultural issues, defending their life, family, mind, 35 00:02:14,599 --> 00:02:17,199 and body, which pretty much sums up the culture wars. 36 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,919 But I have long hypothesized that we could take this 37 00:02:21,039 --> 00:02:24,680 perspective of putting children before adults, putting them before us, 38 00:02:24,879 --> 00:02:29,039 and apply it to all of politics. Because the incredible 39 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:30,360 thing about putting. 40 00:02:30,039 --> 00:02:32,759 Speaker 3: Them before us in matters of marriage and family is you. 41 00:02:32,759 --> 00:02:36,319 Speaker 2: Get personal decisions correct, and you get the best policy 42 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,599 decisions as well. You certainly see that on the cultural 43 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:43,280 issues if you prioritize the protection of children, you end 44 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,599 up with great policy. And so we sort of thought, 45 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,759 what if we applied this to every major political, economic, 46 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:54,000 and national issue, what would happen? And that's what resulted 47 00:02:54,240 --> 00:03:00,719 is this project to in essence, conscript nineteen subject matter 48 00:03:00,759 --> 00:03:05,680 experts on every evergreen political topic and ask them to 49 00:03:05,719 --> 00:03:08,800 write about their issue through the lens of putting children 50 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,800 before adults and what would happen? Like what would you 51 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,439 get as a result? And the answer is incredible policy 52 00:03:14,759 --> 00:03:18,080 that not only safeguards the least of these, prioritizes the 53 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:23,039 next generation, but also leads to fiscal, national, and cultural. 54 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 4: Health the least of these. 55 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,039 Speaker 1: I think that is at the core of your book, 56 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,400 it's the core of the movement. But it is interesting, Katie, 57 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,159 to me, I'm an old Wisconsin guy, emphasis on old, 58 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:39,159 and I think about the two elections, two election victories 59 00:03:39,159 --> 00:03:44,639 of a guy like Tony Evers in Wisconsin, far left, 60 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:50,560 far leftist, marxist who's his slogan, his campaign slogan was 61 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:54,960 something to the effect of putting children first, putting kids 62 00:03:55,039 --> 00:03:58,159 first in his colloquial phrasing of it. And this is 63 00:03:58,199 --> 00:04:00,879 a guy who, of course, who has been backed by 64 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:06,960 millions of dollars in the child, the baby killing industry, 65 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:12,120 planned parenthood, the abortionist. He's not alone. We have a 66 00:04:12,199 --> 00:04:19,040 vice president now freshly anointed as the Democrat figurehead for 67 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:23,279 the Democratic Party in this presidential campaign. She likes to 68 00:04:23,319 --> 00:04:28,800 talk about children as well, and emphasizing policy to put 69 00:04:28,879 --> 00:04:34,319 children first. It is to me, based on their records, 70 00:04:34,439 --> 00:04:38,560 their political resumes a very perverse notion where they are 71 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:42,040 coming from. You take that on in some ways in 72 00:04:42,079 --> 00:04:42,639 this book. 73 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 2: Well, we take it on in I hope every single 74 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:50,000 way in Yeah, that you know at the very outset, 75 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:54,800 this is a collaboration, Right, I got nineteen subject matter 76 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:58,920 experts to explain in three thousand words religious liberty or 77 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,040 the economy, or energy or ESG and DEI, or debt 78 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:06,240 or taxes, or femininity or masculinity. I mean, you could 79 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,879 write an encyclopedia on these topics, and I said, give 80 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,600 to me in three thousand words. And what happens is 81 00:05:11,639 --> 00:05:14,959 you recognize that in almost every one of these issues, 82 00:05:15,639 --> 00:05:18,839 the left will push bad policy in the name of children. 83 00:05:19,199 --> 00:05:22,319 We're doing this for the kids, right. We're going to 84 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:26,399 tax the rich, We're going to increase economic burdens, and 85 00:05:26,439 --> 00:05:28,800 it's for the kids. But really what you're doing is 86 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:32,399 you are stealing parents time away from their children because 87 00:05:32,439 --> 00:05:34,759 you're taxing them at greater rates. You know, you're not 88 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:36,519 doing it for the kids. You know, the kids that 89 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,040 are coming over the border. Those children, as we just 90 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:44,199 recently learned, are largely being forgotten and trafficked. And we 91 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,199 make that very very clear, the connection between child victimization 92 00:05:47,879 --> 00:05:51,959 around our border policies and that this is this is 93 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:56,360 headlining the Democrats' priorities around border security. And so the 94 00:05:56,399 --> 00:06:00,720 other side will co opt and will label every. 95 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,319 Speaker 3: One of their policies as being for the. 96 00:06:02,319 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 2: Kids, and they smuggle in some of the most child 97 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,480 destroying ideas and policies in the name of things like 98 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,480 children's rights and doing it for the needs of children 99 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:16,480 and safeguarding children. And unfortunately, there really isn't anything that. 100 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,199 I mean, I've got a chance to peek at their 101 00:06:18,439 --> 00:06:23,720 very long platform, and sometimes they talk about kids, but 102 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:25,680 even when they say they're doing it for the kids, 103 00:06:25,879 --> 00:06:30,360 the actual on the ground result is child destruction. And 104 00:06:30,439 --> 00:06:32,439 so there are a lot of people on the left 105 00:06:32,439 --> 00:06:36,000 who talk about children's rights doing it for the kids. Unfortunately, 106 00:06:36,079 --> 00:06:40,000 either they are so disconnected from reality, that they don't 107 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,360 understand how their policies are harming kids, or they're simply 108 00:06:43,399 --> 00:06:47,079 psychopaths and power hungry bongers that are trying to advance 109 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,480 their own political gain at the expense of the least 110 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:50,800 of these. 111 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: I think it's the former and the ladder, and I 112 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,839 think it's too much of the ladder in today's society, 113 00:06:55,879 --> 00:06:59,000 today's culture. Speaking of which, how do you say you're 114 00:06:59,079 --> 00:07:03,319 standing up for the children while you're arresting parents for 115 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:07,480 trying to stop the children from being mutilated. That's where 116 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:11,800 we are in America today, and I just it's a 117 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:13,480 very hard argument to make. 118 00:07:13,519 --> 00:07:16,079 Speaker 4: But let's go back. How did we get. 119 00:07:15,839 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: To this point in America today? 120 00:07:18,399 --> 00:07:21,439 Speaker 2: Well, I'll give you Katie's answer, and then I'm going 121 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:25,079 to give you the answer of the two authors that 122 00:07:25,079 --> 00:07:29,160 that authored chapters in our book that addressed that. So 123 00:07:29,319 --> 00:07:32,319 Katie's answers how did we get here? Is you have 124 00:07:32,399 --> 00:07:35,759 to go way back and answer this primary fundamental pre 125 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,720 political question, and the question is to whom do children belong? 126 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,439 I mean, that is the question that especially when you 127 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:45,759 look at a lot of the different parental rights, the 128 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,839 areas that parental rights are being manifested and attacked right now. 129 00:07:49,959 --> 00:07:52,279 Speaker 3: It ultimately comes back to whom do children belong? 130 00:07:52,759 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 2: Who gets to determine the upbringing, the medical care, and 131 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,319 the education of the child, And the other side says, well, 132 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,920 it's the state, it's the schools, it's the doctors, it's 133 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:06,399 the counselors, it's the activists. They belong to us. Children 134 00:08:06,439 --> 00:08:08,759 belong to us. And you could hear echoes of that 135 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:13,120 through even Hillary Clinton's campaign of the village. You could 136 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,759 hear it through Joe Biden, who said those children belong 137 00:08:15,839 --> 00:08:17,839 to all of us. That's just a way of saying 138 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,920 they don't belong to their parents. Now, that is a 139 00:08:20,959 --> 00:08:23,759 problem because, as I outline in the family chapter of 140 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:29,240 Pro Child Politics, parents are, by every available data point, 141 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,560 in every different way that you can measure this, the 142 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,919 most connected to, invested in, and protective of their own children. 143 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:39,240 That is exactly why children belong to parents, because they're 144 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,679 the ones with the greatest amount of investment in those kids. 145 00:08:42,919 --> 00:08:45,399 The teachers didn't even know who the kids were last year. 146 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,919 The doctor didn't understand, you know, the identity of the 147 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,399 child until you paid the call pay. The state doesn't 148 00:08:50,399 --> 00:08:52,759 even know your kid's name, So no, the kids don't 149 00:08:52,799 --> 00:08:55,440 belong to the state. But there's two different authors of 150 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,320 this in this book that really touch on the parental 151 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:02,320 rights issue. First is Billboard Chris Chris Elson, who wrote 152 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:07,080 our transgender Identity chapter, transgender ideology chapter, and of course 153 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:11,000 he has made himself rightly well known by simply walking 154 00:09:11,039 --> 00:09:13,960 around with a sandwich board over him in cities across 155 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,559 the world, asking and telling people kids can't consent to 156 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,559 purity blockers. And ultimately this comes down to who are 157 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,919 you going to trust, right the doctors who are making 158 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:26,080 bank off of these procedures or the parents who are 159 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,000 trying to keep those needles in those scalpels away from 160 00:09:29,039 --> 00:09:33,919 the kids. Second is Moms for Liberty co founder Tiffany Justice, 161 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,279 who wrote our education chapter and much of the war 162 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,039 around to whom do children belong are being fought on 163 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:44,000 the grounds of our schools today, and specifically she fingers 164 00:09:44,039 --> 00:09:48,639 the teachers' unions who have been absolutely complicit in advancing 165 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:52,039 their own interests over and be of over and beyond 166 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,720 not just the well being of children, but parental rights, 167 00:09:54,799 --> 00:09:57,440 children's rights, and just the sake of a good education 168 00:09:57,519 --> 00:09:58,960 for our kids at all. 169 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:01,519 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's amazing. 170 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: I have written extensively in this area in schools across 171 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,879 the country, and you hear these stories and you report 172 00:10:08,879 --> 00:10:13,080 on these stories about teachers. There's one case that is 173 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,759 particularly galling to me. It's been replicated across the country. 174 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,840 In what we're talking about is a teacher putting on 175 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:26,720 her classroom door. If your parents don't want to accept 176 00:10:26,759 --> 00:10:31,759 you for who you are, I'm your mother. Now, that 177 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,679 is exactly what we're talking about. But this has been 178 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:39,360 inculcated in the education system, the public education system in 179 00:10:39,399 --> 00:10:43,480 America for more than a generation. Now, how do you 180 00:10:43,919 --> 00:10:49,559 go about getting rid of this kind of indoctrination that's 181 00:10:49,639 --> 00:10:50,960 so deeply rooted? 182 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 2: Well, and unfortunately it's not just teachers. The DNC has 183 00:10:55,519 --> 00:10:59,639 platformed an activist named Jeffrey Marsh, who is I mean, 184 00:11:00,399 --> 00:11:07,000 is just the most underselling way to put his online persona. 185 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:10,279 But he is an autogynophilic I assume man, you know, 186 00:11:10,399 --> 00:11:15,039 man whose non binary wears lipstick makeup, whispers to kids. 187 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:16,879 Speaker 1: I mean, and he's the one we have a penshon 188 00:11:17,039 --> 00:11:18,679 for women's luggage. 189 00:11:18,919 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 2: No, it is not that one. But unfortunately, in relation 190 00:11:21,759 --> 00:11:23,639 to people connected to the DNC, There's a lot of 191 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,200 different options about who I could be describing right now. 192 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,960 But Jeffrey Marsh is this absolute creep who is constantly 193 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,840 talking about how, hey, kids, if your parents don't love you, 194 00:11:33,879 --> 00:11:34,519 I'll be your parents. 195 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 3: I'll love you. 196 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 2: You can come be with me any whispers like that. 197 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,039 He makes videos directly for kids that are widely shared 198 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,039 on TikTok. I mean, ultimately, when you get the answer 199 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,159 to the question to whom do children belong wrong, you 200 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:52,159 get victimized kids. We're absolutely seeing that in the transgender debate. Unfortunately, 201 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,120 we're seeing it in pretty much every area of progressive 202 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,279 policies at this point. So what do we do well? 203 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:02,159 The meta answer, I would say is start to prioritize children. 204 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,600 The meta answer is start to elevate the rights and 205 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:09,240 well being of children above the desires, agendas, identities, and 206 00:12:09,279 --> 00:12:14,360 priorities of adults. And when you do that, miraculously, you 207 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:18,679 actually get clear eyed thinking and great policy, whether you're 208 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:23,440 talking about the economy, debt, or education. And so what 209 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:25,080 we need to do is we need to take those 210 00:12:25,279 --> 00:12:30,360 child centric realities back into the culture, back into politics, 211 00:12:30,399 --> 00:12:34,320 and we need to retake the institutions, retake the institutions. Obviously, 212 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,480 I think that should begin with institutions that have the 213 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:40,159 most direct contact with children, and education is certainly the 214 00:12:40,159 --> 00:12:42,360 one that springs to the forefront of most of our minds. 215 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:46,320 But the reality is the economy needs to be scaling 216 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:50,559 itself in a way that actually rewards parents who are 217 00:12:51,159 --> 00:12:53,320 building their life in a way that is child friendly. 218 00:12:53,799 --> 00:12:57,519 And we need to craft our foreign policy and our 219 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,960 immigration policy in ways that elevate and prit the future 220 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,200 of the children that are here, as well as the 221 00:13:03,279 --> 00:13:06,519 children that are wanting to come, whether legally or illegally, 222 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,759 and so like to me, one of the reasons why 223 00:13:09,879 --> 00:13:13,000 this resource is so valuable is it really simplifies a 224 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,080 lot of things. We do this on the marriage and 225 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,559 family issue, and simply it's asking the question who's doing 226 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,200 hard things? Are adults doing hard things on behalf of children, 227 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:26,080 in which case that's called justice, or are children doing 228 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,559 hard things on behalf of adults, in which case that's 229 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,480 called injustice. And so what you can see is you 230 00:13:32,519 --> 00:13:35,879 can apply this very very simple template to pretty much 231 00:13:36,159 --> 00:13:37,159 any issue. 232 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 5: You know. 233 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 3: We talk about it in the pornography chapter. 234 00:13:40,399 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 2: Written by John Schweppie at the American Principles project. We 235 00:13:45,519 --> 00:13:48,559 do it in the economy chapter written by Christopher Bedford, 236 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:50,039 who I know is a voice that a lot of 237 00:13:50,039 --> 00:13:51,639 your listeners are going to recognize. 238 00:13:51,799 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 3: We do it in the taxes chapter written. 239 00:13:53,399 --> 00:13:56,639 Speaker 2: By Grover Norquist, whose like the name is synonymous with taxes, Like, 240 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:02,600 if you actually center your your priorities around children, you 241 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:06,519 will retake a lot of the institutions, you will retake 242 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,320 a lot of the leavers of power, and you're going 243 00:14:09,399 --> 00:14:12,360 to The effect is going to be justice for children. 244 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:14,559 And if you get justice for children, you know what, 245 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:18,960 you also get national thriving. So I feel like this book, 246 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,600 especially for even people like me who are pretty well 247 00:14:22,679 --> 00:14:25,360 versed on the cultural issues, don't quite know as much 248 00:14:25,399 --> 00:14:29,919 about like religious liberty, digital technology, and policing, it helps 249 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,679 me understand how I can think clearly about and advocate 250 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:37,440 for children on all these different areas. And you know, 251 00:14:37,679 --> 00:14:40,840 a convenient byproduct of that is actually, we're going to 252 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:41,840 secure our nation too. 253 00:14:43,159 --> 00:14:49,559 Speaker 6: Indeed, have you ever noticed it's only called a recession 254 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:52,080 after we're already in it or pasted it? The Watched 255 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,799 Out on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski. Every day, 256 00:14:54,919 --> 00:14:57,799 Chris helps unpack the connection between politics and the economy 257 00:14:57,799 --> 00:15:00,440 and how it affects your wallet. Economists are all in 258 00:15:00,679 --> 00:15:04,000 search of a recession like letter nimoy. If they find one, 259 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,840 it's already too late. Always be prepared by putting money 260 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,559 away and investing accordingly. Whether it's happening in DC or 261 00:15:09,559 --> 00:15:11,440 down on Wall Street, it's affecting you financially. 262 00:15:11,519 --> 00:15:12,039 Speaker 4: Be informed. 263 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 6: Check out the Watchdot on Wall Street podcast with christ 264 00:15:14,159 --> 00:15:17,120 Markowski on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. 265 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: Katie Faust, author of the fantastic new book pro Child Politics, 266 00:15:24,799 --> 00:15:27,039 joining us in this edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. 267 00:15:27,399 --> 00:15:30,440 You talk about a lot of these things, obviously involving 268 00:15:30,679 --> 00:15:35,960 government and politics, and everything is politics, and everything is local, 269 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:40,600 of course, but we cannot have this conversation with talking 270 00:15:40,639 --> 00:15:45,000 about the private sector and what vast swaths of the 271 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:51,000 private sector have done in this dangerous culture that our 272 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:55,039 children face. Now there is free market liberty. 273 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 4: That's the battle that I. 274 00:15:56,759 --> 00:16:02,879 Speaker 1: Think Republicans who talk about protecting children they kind of 275 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,840 get stalled at because, well, we can't touch the sacred 276 00:16:06,879 --> 00:16:07,519 free market. 277 00:16:07,559 --> 00:16:08,159 Speaker 4: And I get it. 278 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: I understand that as a free market capitalist, an espouser 279 00:16:12,399 --> 00:16:16,399 of free markets and free people. But what in the 280 00:16:16,519 --> 00:16:20,600 name of whatever you want to call it, woke, dumb 281 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:26,480 or identity politics, however you phrase this, what about the 282 00:16:26,919 --> 00:16:30,679 private sector, the Disneys of the world, the netflixes and 283 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:32,120 the list goes on and on. 284 00:16:33,559 --> 00:16:35,919 Speaker 2: So this is a really important point because the free 285 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:40,960 market serves children. It serves children. The problem is when 286 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,120 the government meddles with the free market. And I think 287 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,240 that right now we're seeing that the most powerfully in 288 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:50,960 the ESG Dei realm, because it really is outside force, 289 00:16:51,039 --> 00:16:56,440 is tinkering with influencing and actually seeking to overhaul society 290 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,399 in a progressive image. That is the lever that they 291 00:16:59,399 --> 00:17:01,799 are using to do it is ESG and Dei. And 292 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,640 Justin dan Hoff, who is one of the originators of Strive, 293 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:09,880 which which is Viva k Ramaswami's organization, wrote our ESG 294 00:17:10,039 --> 00:17:13,519 chapter and he talks about how same thing as what 295 00:17:13,559 --> 00:17:16,079 you mentioned at the offset of the show, that they're 296 00:17:16,079 --> 00:17:17,240 doing it for the children. 297 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:20,799 Speaker 3: I mean, we're doing this so that children can be represented, 298 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:24,200 children can have equality. We are going to be able 299 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,640 to include them. And they are doing so much of 300 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:31,920 their messaging on platforms and through mediums directly targeting children. 301 00:17:32,519 --> 00:17:37,079 But as he makes very very clear children are the 302 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:41,640 ultimate victims of DEI and ESG priorities. Now, another distinctive 303 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,000 of this book, which I love and that Justin did 304 00:17:44,079 --> 00:17:48,480 so so well, is we on the right often will 305 00:17:49,599 --> 00:17:51,039 we've got the right information. 306 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,319 Speaker 2: We have principles founded in natural law. We always have 307 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,720 the research and the data on our side. We rarely 308 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:02,839 tell the best stories humanize our victims. And so when 309 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:07,279 I requested that these nineteen contributors craft their three thousand 310 00:18:07,319 --> 00:18:11,279 words on their various area of expertise, I said, non negotiable. 311 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,680 Everybody begins with the real life story of a child 312 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:18,960 who is victimized because we believed progressive lies about your topic. 313 00:18:19,559 --> 00:18:22,160 And so Justin shares the story of a little girl 314 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,160 in Sri Lanka who was from a middle class family. 315 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,279 Parents were employed, doing fairly well, and then Sri Lanka 316 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:32,759 imposed all the ESG requirements. You know, they wanted that 317 00:18:33,559 --> 00:18:38,480 perfect Corporate Equality Index style score, and as a result, 318 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,079 they completely wreck their economy and plunged these little girls, 319 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,480 these little children, into utter poverty. But they have a 320 00:18:45,799 --> 00:18:50,200 perfect Corporate Equality Index score, their children are just begging 321 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,920 for food. And so, like he does a great job 322 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,160 of connecting the dots between what happens when we use 323 00:18:56,599 --> 00:19:00,640 the economy, when we use the free markets means of 324 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:04,880 social overhaul through ESG and DEI, well, children are victimized. 325 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:07,720 How is it that we create an economy that actually 326 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,200 works for parents and that means it works for children. 327 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,480 We get the government out. 328 00:19:13,799 --> 00:19:19,039 Speaker 1: And the government has been such an incredible force in 329 00:19:19,319 --> 00:19:26,799 this whole diversity, equity inclusion movement. It is you know, 330 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,920 the battlegrounds have been clear for the last several years. 331 00:19:31,599 --> 00:19:36,599 We are seeing some pushback. We're seeing Moms for Liberty, 332 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,960 We're seeing just individual parents going to their school board 333 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:45,319 meetings and saying enough is enough. We have had it. 334 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,839 This is not right. This is not putting children first. 335 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:53,160 This is division first and foremost. And it's very harmful 336 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,519 in the way that you are clearly carrying this out. 337 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,319 But then what happens, Katie when they go to their 338 00:20:00,319 --> 00:20:03,680 local school boards and how often do we see this, 339 00:20:03,799 --> 00:20:07,720 certainly in the early part of the Biden administration. Now 340 00:20:07,759 --> 00:20:12,240 they're on an FBI danger watch list. Now they're being 341 00:20:12,279 --> 00:20:19,640 intimidated by federal DOJ agents. This is a very clear 342 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,559 battle based on what we're seeing in terms of the response, 343 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:29,759 how is the movement faring these days? What's the psychology 344 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,960 like of the movement fighting back? 345 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:37,519 Speaker 2: Well, that situation is something that Tiffany Justice Mentions outlines 346 00:20:38,079 --> 00:20:42,079 in her chapter on education, because absolutely what happened is 347 00:20:42,079 --> 00:20:43,759 the people that said those kids don't belong to you, 348 00:20:43,759 --> 00:20:48,240 they belong to me. They're absolutely being demonized and criminalized. 349 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,240 And so we do need to understand that parents have 350 00:20:51,279 --> 00:20:53,640 a right to their own children, to the upbringing, education, 351 00:20:53,759 --> 00:20:56,839 medical care of their kids. And I love that. You know, 352 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:01,480 as Governor Youngkin said, you know that election created a 353 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:06,119 new voting block, and the voting block with parents, Pavlujah glory, 354 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,400 and that is picking up steam because more and more 355 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:13,559 parents are realizing you're encroaching on a territory that you 356 00:21:13,599 --> 00:21:16,279 have no business even touching. Get away from my kids. 357 00:21:16,799 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 4: Now. 358 00:21:17,039 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 2: I am a huge supporter of parental rights. I just 359 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:23,039 think it doesn't go far enough. I mean, I love 360 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,319 that parents need to direct the upbringing, education, in medical 361 00:21:26,319 --> 00:21:29,079 care of their own children. That's awesome for the kids 362 00:21:29,079 --> 00:21:31,680 that have parents to understand that their rule is to 363 00:21:31,759 --> 00:21:34,920 protect them. It's not awesome for kids that are outside 364 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,680 of that protection of adults who have that kind of 365 00:21:38,079 --> 00:21:41,519 protective lens for them. So that's why I'm an advocate 366 00:21:41,559 --> 00:21:43,799 for children. That's why I think that we need to 367 00:21:44,039 --> 00:21:47,160 advance policies and ideas that advocate on behalf of children, 368 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,759 not just parental rights, which is important, but child protection 369 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,920 because then you're going to cover the kids who don't 370 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:58,240 necessarily have parents to understand that they need to protect them. 371 00:21:58,279 --> 00:22:01,680 I mean, especially on things like gender ideology. For example, 372 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,440 we want to protect parents' rights to refuse transgender treatments 373 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,960 for their kids, but parental rights does not allow a 374 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,559 mother or a father to chemically castrate their children through 375 00:22:12,599 --> 00:22:16,000 cross sex hormones or quote unquote gender affirmation surgery where 376 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,400 they're having healthy organs removed from their bodies. 377 00:22:18,799 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 3: No children have a right to an. 378 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 2: Intact, unmedicalized body. And so this perspective of pro child 379 00:22:26,079 --> 00:22:31,119 politics putting kids first will actually check supposed parental rights. 380 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,240 If there is an adult that says, well, I really 381 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,119 do believe my five year old is non binary, and 382 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,200 I really want to get them on puberty blockers, you know, 383 00:22:37,319 --> 00:22:39,039 right before they get to that Tanner stage A or 384 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,519 whatever it is. No, we need to go into all 385 00:22:42,559 --> 00:22:46,599 of politics with the posture of child protection. That is 386 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,759 obviously going to reinforce parental rights, but it is also 387 00:22:50,839 --> 00:22:54,599 going to go farther and say all children deserve protection, 388 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,319 not just the ones whose parents have their head screwed 389 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:57,759 on straight. 390 00:22:58,599 --> 00:23:00,559 Speaker 1: You raise a very good point. We have seen this 391 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,559 over and over again, and I think it goes back 392 00:23:02,599 --> 00:23:07,960 to this DEI movement, and that has been going on 393 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,880 for a long time, longer than a lot of folks 394 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,559 have acknowledged. It's ingrained, and so what are we producing 395 00:23:16,599 --> 00:23:21,119 in this society? 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And what is happening with a 436 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:03,960 mega industry that is reshaping the conversation around this front. 437 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is obviously something that we spend a 438 00:26:07,839 --> 00:26:10,480 lot of time on them before us. And so if 439 00:26:10,519 --> 00:26:12,720 you go to the Federalist, you'll see that I've authored 440 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:19,039 several articles critiquing big fertility. But this book features Abby Johnson, 441 00:26:19,079 --> 00:26:21,880 who wrote my chapter on life, and she did an 442 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:26,480 excellent job of outlining the parallels between the baby making 443 00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:30,599 industry of IVF and the baby taking industry of abortion, 444 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,240 and she makes it very clear that both of these 445 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:39,000 industries are built upon lies about life, lies about children, 446 00:26:39,319 --> 00:26:42,359 and both of them need to be forcefully critiqued and 447 00:26:42,519 --> 00:26:45,000 rejected if we really believe that children have a right 448 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:49,359 to life. Now, this is something that I think a 449 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,640 lot of people on the right struggle with because obviously 450 00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:57,680 we are sickened by abortion because of the very clear 451 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,839 victimization of children the hands of abortion doctors. We Scratcher 452 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,160 had a little bit more about why anybody would oppose 453 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:10,039 IVF or service or other forms of reproductive technologies, and 454 00:27:10,079 --> 00:27:14,519 the answer is, well, big fertility victimizes more children every 455 00:27:14,599 --> 00:27:17,119 year in terms of the loss of life than the 456 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,359 abortion industry does. That because of the way that big 457 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,079 fertility is currently practiced. And now I just want to 458 00:27:23,079 --> 00:27:24,880 shout out to the Federalists because they are one of 459 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,880 the few conservative outlets that gets this right one hundred 460 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:28,640 percent of the time. 461 00:27:28,839 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 3: They were so early to this fight, they were so dialed. 462 00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 2: In to what was coming down the pike. And Jordan 463 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,839 Bird has done tons of work on this, I mean 464 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,799 every single time, is he a great article in my house? 465 00:27:39,799 --> 00:27:41,240 Probably Jordan, and it is most of you. 466 00:27:41,319 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 1: Yes, I want to particularly shout out Jordan. She has 467 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:48,000 done extensive work in this area and She's had her 468 00:27:48,079 --> 00:27:53,359 share of battles with the industry and others or advocates 469 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:58,759 thereof of this death industry, and she is faced at 470 00:27:58,759 --> 00:28:01,359 front on as you folks have as well. 471 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 4: And I'm so. 472 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,759 Speaker 1: Glad that your book does include this very important chapter 473 00:28:05,799 --> 00:28:10,240 that ties all of this together, you know, the iv 474 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:15,079 fertilization industry as well as the abortion industry in America. 475 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,599 Speaker 2: Let me just say that the other side, the Democrats, 476 00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:21,359 completely understand that these two issues are connected. 477 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:22,079 Speaker 5: Right. 478 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 2: They are already talking about IVF protection, IVF access, surrogacy 479 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,599 rights under the same umbrella as reproductive rights. I mean, 480 00:28:31,599 --> 00:28:34,960 this is about reproductive autonomy, reproductive justice. And when they 481 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:39,799 talk like that, they're not just talking about permissive abortion policy. 482 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,839 They are also talking about unfettered, often government subsidized access 483 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,680 to IVF sperm and egg donation and some woman's womb. 484 00:28:48,119 --> 00:28:51,640 So they understand that baby making and baby taking are 485 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,680 two sides of the same child commodifying coin. It tends 486 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,119 to be the people on the right who say, oh, 487 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:01,119 abortion is bad, but IVF is good. I'm sorry. Both 488 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:05,200 of them determine a child rights based on wantedness. You 489 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,920 know what abortion says is if a child is unwanted, 490 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,079 they can be you can force them out of existence 491 00:29:12,119 --> 00:29:16,039 by violating their right to life, and idea big fertility 492 00:29:16,039 --> 00:29:18,880 reproductive technology says, if a child is very wanted, you 493 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,960 can force them into existence, very often at the expense 494 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,960 of dozens of children's right to life. So this is 495 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,680 a hard one for us. But those people who are 496 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,440 listening to this and principled and really do understand and 497 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,599 believe that life begins at conception, you have to both 498 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,720 fight the abortion industry and the big fertility industry. 499 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,359 Speaker 1: One area that is deeply concerning, I think for anybody 500 00:29:43,559 --> 00:29:48,359 with eyes and ears, is how the left in this country, 501 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:54,960 the DEI left, how it has divided our children against 502 00:29:55,000 --> 00:30:01,359 our children. DEI policies have done that with everyone, adults, voters, 503 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,079 and it's by design, but you see it in schools, 504 00:30:05,759 --> 00:30:11,119 this division that has gone on because no other reason 505 00:30:11,359 --> 00:30:15,839 than power and identity politics behind that power. 506 00:30:16,279 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 4: I believe your book, as. 507 00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:22,359 Speaker 1: We've talked about, squarely, addresses this particular issue as well well. 508 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,039 Speaker 2: And there's two chapters that jump right to the forefront 509 00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:27,240 of my mind when you brought this up. First was 510 00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:29,759 the chapter that was authored by Delano Squires at the 511 00:30:29,759 --> 00:30:33,119 Heritage Foundation on race and the lies that we tell 512 00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:37,640 children about race. And that's the other distinctive of the 513 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:42,039 book that I really love is I said, listen, here's 514 00:30:42,039 --> 00:30:43,880 the template all of you guys that are coming in 515 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,640 with your very very diverse topics that people say these 516 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,599 things should have nothing to do with each other, and 517 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,240 generally they don't. I said, here's how I want this 518 00:30:52,279 --> 00:30:54,720 to go. I want you to tell me the story 519 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,559 of a real life child who was victimized because we 520 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,279 believed progressive lies. Then I want you to identif find 521 00:31:00,319 --> 00:31:04,680 those lies, what are the lies about pornography or religious liberty, 522 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,880 or immigration or national security. Then tell me how those 523 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,640 lies harm kids. And then I want you to tell 524 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:16,240 me the truth about immigration, foreign policy, religious liberty, and 525 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,079 then tell me what would happen if how would children 526 00:31:19,119 --> 00:31:22,000 be protected if we believed and acted on those truths. 527 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,799 So the lies that Delano explains in the Race chapter, 528 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,680 I think are so helpful. And number one, the number 529 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,839 one lie says is that race exists, right, that that's like, 530 00:31:34,359 --> 00:31:37,519 there is a thing such as race that actually defines 531 00:31:37,559 --> 00:31:39,359 who we are. And he's like, oh, there's a human race, 532 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,640 but genetically there's really not a whole lot of race 533 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:42,279 other than. 534 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,119 Speaker 5: That, And then he says the second li is that 535 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,640 race is essential, that it's an essential part of who 536 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,319 you are, and you know that this really tells you 537 00:31:51,319 --> 00:31:52,319 your true identity. 538 00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 2: And then line number three is different outcomes are always 539 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,880 caused by racism. So then he debunks what you just said, 540 00:31:58,079 --> 00:32:01,920 that sort of dei lens of looking at the inequities 541 00:32:02,359 --> 00:32:06,480 and fingering that this lie that obviously there's some kind 542 00:32:06,519 --> 00:32:10,319 of systemic injustice if things are not completely equitable. And 543 00:32:10,359 --> 00:32:13,880 then the fourth lie is that we need good discrimination. Right, 544 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,559 the way to combat racism is a discrimination, just the 545 00:32:17,559 --> 00:32:20,920 good kind. And he talks about the way that this 546 00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:24,119 pits children against each other. When we are communicating these 547 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,759 kinds of lies to kids, it doesn't lead to like 548 00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:30,480 sweet unity in the classroom. It leads to viewing one 549 00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:34,200 another with suspicion. The other chapter that really touches on 550 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,640 this is by Ashley Maguire, who is formerly of the 551 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,839 Beckett Fund, so the law firm that fights a lot 552 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,000 of the religious liberty battles, and she wrote about why 553 00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:46,039 religious liberty is a matter of justice for children and 554 00:32:46,079 --> 00:32:51,200 how a culture that preserves and values religious liberty is 555 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,839 a truly tolerant culture, one where children can have differences 556 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,200 of religion or belief or convictions, but not necessarily look 557 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,160 at one another as enemies. But when we strip our 558 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,359 culture of religious liberty protections, when we demonize people for 559 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:11,519 their strongly held convictions, we do get children looking at 560 00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:15,519 one another with levels of suspicion and really afraid to 561 00:33:16,519 --> 00:33:18,799 or advised against interacting with other kids. 562 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,079 Speaker 1: Powerful powerful stories in here, and I love the fact 563 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:28,720 that you do this, putting faces on this issue the people, 564 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:34,279 the children who have been most negatively impacted by these 565 00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:38,480 horrible and horrifying policies we've seen take shape in this 566 00:33:38,559 --> 00:33:43,599 country for too long. Final question for you, are you 567 00:33:43,759 --> 00:33:49,079 hopeful that Americans in this election and beyond will indeed 568 00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:54,079 put children first and we can write this republic ship. 569 00:33:55,279 --> 00:34:00,279 Speaker 2: I want to be realistic and say right now, I 570 00:34:00,279 --> 00:34:03,079 think that we have conditioned our entire society to think 571 00:34:03,119 --> 00:34:06,440 about me first. And what we're talking about with a 572 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,440 pro child politics is putting them before us, putting children 573 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:11,320 before adults. 574 00:34:11,599 --> 00:34:14,519 Speaker 3: But I will say is that everybody that is looking at. 575 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,559 Speaker 2: The fraying corners of our social fabric, or those that 576 00:34:18,599 --> 00:34:22,239 are looking at the massive amount of debt that we 577 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,320 are accumulating. Are those looking at how we have weakened 578 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,679 our foreign policy in terms of our military readiness and 579 00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:35,000 the internal protections of our society based on our immigration policy. 580 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,840 All of them are understanding that something alarming is taking place. 581 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,880 And what I am here to say is you don't 582 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,639 have to come up with disparate responses to all of 583 00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:45,840 those different issues. 584 00:34:46,519 --> 00:34:47,639 Speaker 3: You just put kids first. 585 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 2: If you put kids first, as and I'll just quote 586 00:34:51,039 --> 00:34:54,960 Molly Hemingway who kind of blurbed this for me right 587 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,159 at the beginning. You know, she said, thumbing to it. 588 00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:02,880 A strange thing happens when you examine every cultural, economic, 589 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,719 and national issue through the lens of child protection. You 590 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:10,920 end up with conservatism, but not a rigid or academic conservatism. 591 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,880 Conservatism that speaks about who we are for, not what 592 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,039 we are against. Pro child politics is not only good 593 00:35:17,079 --> 00:35:20,079 for kids, but smart policy. So for those people that 594 00:35:20,159 --> 00:35:24,000 are alarmed by the direction of this country, whether it's economic, 595 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,960 whether we're talking about military readiness, whether we're talking about 596 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,360 the transing of the kids, I will tell you the 597 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,039 way forward, and it is to put kids first on 598 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:38,880 all these topics. So there is some education to be done, 599 00:35:39,079 --> 00:35:41,239 but I believe that this is the way to do it. 600 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,719 A Because it's accessible. We have made this very very accessible. 601 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,760 You don't have to be an expert on energy to 602 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,199 read Neil Chatterjee's chapter on this and come away feeling 603 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:56,400 like an expert on energy. B. It really does tap 604 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,559 into that universal gut response of don't touch the kids, 605 00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:02,519 leave the kids alone. And there really are people on 606 00:36:02,559 --> 00:36:04,679 the left and the right that feel that, and I 607 00:36:04,679 --> 00:36:08,679 really think that's something we can capitalize on. And it's holistic. 608 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,639 You know, we don't have to figure out, well, this 609 00:36:10,679 --> 00:36:12,800 is an issue of individual liberty, and while this is 610 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:17,400 an issue of you know, economic savvy, no, put the 611 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,239 kids first. It's a very simple template that we can 612 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,039 apply to every evergreen issue, not just for this election, 613 00:36:24,119 --> 00:36:26,639 which I absolutely think you should consider, but this is 614 00:36:26,679 --> 00:36:29,079 going to be relevant in five years, in fifteen years, 615 00:36:29,079 --> 00:36:33,119 and in fifty years. Why because kids don't change. Kids 616 00:36:33,119 --> 00:36:35,559 don't change. They always have needed the same thing that 617 00:36:35,599 --> 00:36:38,719 I always will need, the same thing, protection from the 618 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,440 only demographic powerful enough to give it to them, and 619 00:36:41,519 --> 00:36:44,599 that is adults. So that is the point of this 620 00:36:44,639 --> 00:36:47,960 book is to say, do you want individual justice for 621 00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:51,920 children and therefore social and national justice. Just put kids first. 622 00:36:52,639 --> 00:36:56,840 Speaker 1: As we started, the least among us, let us, for 623 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:01,239 God's sake, protect the least among them. Katie, thanks so much. 624 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,239 The powerful book with powerful stories that I think will 625 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:10,000 really connect with our listening audience, our readers in this country. 626 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks so much for having me Matt anytime. 627 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,079 Speaker 1: As you know, thanks to my guest today, Katie Faust, 628 00:37:16,119 --> 00:37:20,079 author of the new book pro Child Politics. It is 629 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:25,079 challenging the selfish quo by centering children in all cultural 630 00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:28,519 and political conversations. You've been listening to another edition of 631 00:37:28,559 --> 00:37:32,079 The Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle's senior correspondent at 632 00:37:32,119 --> 00:37:35,280 the Federalist. We'll be back soon with more. Until then, 633 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:48,519 stay lovers of freedom and anxious for the fray