1 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 1: And we are back with another edition of the Federalist 2 00:00:20,879 --> 00:00:24,239 Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, Senior Elections correspondent at the 3 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:29,000 Federalist and your experienced Shirpa on today's quest for Knowledge. 4 00:00:29,199 --> 00:00:32,399 As always, you can email the show at radio at 5 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:36,679 the Federalist dot com, follow us on x at FDR LST, 6 00:00:37,359 --> 00:00:40,200 make sure to subscribe wherever you download your podcast, and 7 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,119 of course to the premium version of our website as well. 8 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:47,119 Our guest today is Christian Toto, Award winning film critic, 9 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:52,679 journalist and founder of Hollywood in Toto, the excellent site 10 00:00:52,719 --> 00:00:58,719 for all things Hollywood criticism, movies, entertainment culture from a 11 00:00:58,759 --> 00:01:02,240 conservative point of view. How about that? He also hosts 12 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:07,439 the Hollywood in Toto podcast on the Radio America Network. Christian, 13 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,519 thank you so much for joining us on this edition 14 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:10,719 of the Federalist Radio Hour. 15 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 2: Oh my pleasure. Glad to join the show. 16 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: Absolutely. You and I have spoken on a number of 17 00:01:16,239 --> 00:01:19,159 occasions over the years in radio formats. You know that 18 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,480 gives us just a few minutes to hash out what 19 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,959 is happening the latest madness in Hollywood. I'm glad we 20 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,400 have a chance to kind of expound upon that through 21 00:01:30,799 --> 00:01:35,879 this format. Let us begin with topics you cover on 22 00:01:36,079 --> 00:01:40,200 a daily basis, and that is now Hollywood in Trump 23 00:01:40,799 --> 00:01:47,200 two point zero. The madness continues. It continues, certainly from 24 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:52,760 the corporate media news interest. It definitely continues in Hollywood. 25 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,760 There was some sense, maybe I was naive about this, 26 00:01:55,920 --> 00:02:01,599 that things might change through perspective. Hollywood really only has 27 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:03,319 one perspective, doesn't it. 28 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's funny after the election. Immediately after 29 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,000 the election, there was a little bit of a lull 30 00:02:09,159 --> 00:02:13,080 that the Hollywood community or the key players didn't really 31 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,240 get on the resistance bandwagon like they did last time. 32 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:21,159 And even some August publications like Variety and The Hollywood 33 00:02:21,199 --> 00:02:23,879 Reporter were just worried to death about this. You know, 34 00:02:23,879 --> 00:02:27,360 where is the resistance? Where is the fight within this community? 35 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,800 But I think it's here. You know, we're seeing it 36 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,080 on stages, We're seeing it at the can Film Festival, 37 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,080 We're seeing it in different venues. For sure, it will 38 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:39,599 get more intense. I think as time marches on. And 39 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,960 you know, we saw with the last election that the 40 00:02:42,039 --> 00:02:45,240 collective clout of this industry is waning. You know, we 41 00:02:45,319 --> 00:02:48,400 don't really have movie stars anymore that are not named 42 00:02:48,439 --> 00:02:51,840 Tom cruise, and you know, all the biggies really kind 43 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,599 of rallied around Kamala Harris and it didn't work. So 44 00:02:54,879 --> 00:02:56,639 I don't think they took that message. I don't think 45 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:00,400 they understood what's going on, and they just are starting 46 00:03:00,439 --> 00:03:01,520 to double down at this point. 47 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 1: Are they paying the price? Which is ultimately what Hollywood, 48 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,199 at least the executives care about. Are they have they 49 00:03:10,319 --> 00:03:12,599 paid the price financially? 50 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 3: It's kind of a yes and no answer. I tease 51 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,199 before the death of the Movie Store, you know, you 52 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:21,840 really don't have any actors. 53 00:03:21,479 --> 00:03:23,879 Speaker 2: Who can open a movie by themselves. Really. 54 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,439 Speaker 3: You know, you have properties, You've got Minecraft, You've got 55 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,000 the Jurassic Parks series, things like that. Those are the 56 00:03:31,039 --> 00:03:34,599 really the big, the big movers and shakers in Hollywood. 57 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,039 So I think the actors have less job security than 58 00:03:38,039 --> 00:03:41,120 they once did, but they're also gainfully employed. And you know, 59 00:03:41,159 --> 00:03:44,000 Pedro Pascal is becoming one of the more vocal stars 60 00:03:44,039 --> 00:03:47,159 on a lot of different fronts, and he is gainfully employed, 61 00:03:47,199 --> 00:03:50,680 and he's working all the time, and he's busy as possible. 62 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,240 So I don't think he's suffering directly, but I think 63 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:58,439 collectively we just get a bit more frustrated by the stars. 64 00:03:58,479 --> 00:04:01,039 And you know, listen, they have their free right, free 65 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,039 speech rights. They can say what they want. I just 66 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:08,919 wish they were more thoughtful, more measured, and less aggressive 67 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,479 in their posturing. I mean, you know, a Petro Pascoal 68 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,599 can say exactly what he wants to say, but do 69 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:18,600 it in a less severe manner, a more nuanced matter, 70 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,360 a less divisive matter. And they don't seem to take 71 00:04:21,399 --> 00:04:22,800 that message to the heart. 72 00:04:23,199 --> 00:04:25,079 Speaker 1: Oh it's the Michael Jordan thing, isn't it. And I 73 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,519 don't when I say Michael Jordan, I don't mean Michael B. 74 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,279 Jordan or whoever the star is is that I don't 75 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:31,759 know as a middle initial I can't remember. But the 76 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,680 guy who swept up in the Diddy situation, which if 77 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,360 we get a chance to we'll we'll touch upon at 78 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,800 a later time. But Michael Jordan used to say, you know, 79 00:04:40,879 --> 00:04:42,560 how come you don't when they asked him, how come 80 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,079 you don't come out and talk about social issues and 81 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,759 all the injustices in the world, And he said, well, 82 00:04:47,759 --> 00:04:51,199 first of all, I'm a basketball player, and a damn 83 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,839 good one, by the way, as time has told. But 84 00:04:53,879 --> 00:04:57,199 he said, you know, conservatives buy my shoes too, And 85 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:01,800 that's something that I think Hollywood. It reminds me on 86 00:05:01,879 --> 00:05:05,040 the news side of things, of PBS. In NPR. We 87 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:09,240 just had, you know, a couple of months ago, these 88 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:14,160 hearings about should taxpayers continue to fund these very left 89 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:18,439 wing news outlets that have just had an open war 90 00:05:19,079 --> 00:05:24,879 with conservatives and Republicans, And you know, they came, their executives, 91 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:29,519 came before Congress and made their appeals and hat in 92 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:33,879 hand and said, no, we're changing, we're changing. But we 93 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,959 know that that is not the case. And you know 94 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,879 there's volumes of evidence to show that is not the case. 95 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:45,959 Hollywood is in that same sort of bubble situation. Instead 96 00:05:45,959 --> 00:05:48,519 of the DC bubble, it is the Hollywood bubble, and 97 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,040 they just can't seem to break that. 98 00:05:51,199 --> 00:05:54,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we've seen some interesting examples in recent months. 99 00:05:54,399 --> 00:05:58,079 You know, the snow White Gate with Rachel Zegler. 100 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 2: The star of Live action reboot. 101 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:04,319 Speaker 3: You know, she really not single handedly, but her comments, 102 00:06:04,439 --> 00:06:09,279 her attitude, her attacks on half the country didn't help 103 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,040 that film at all and it's been a massive underachiever 104 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,519 at the box office. And you'd think that would be 105 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,720 the final lesson where actors say, gosh, you know, I 106 00:06:16,759 --> 00:06:18,839 may think a certain way and maybe I want to 107 00:06:19,319 --> 00:06:21,839 shout my views to the world for all to hear. 108 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:26,199 But you know what, doing that may hurt my movie profits. 109 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,439 It could hurt you know, the box office. Maybe I 110 00:06:28,439 --> 00:06:31,560 should be a little bit more thoughtful, more subtle, more 111 00:06:31,639 --> 00:06:33,959 nuanced with it, and they just don't go there. And 112 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,399 just a recent example is the upcoming Fantastic Four movie. 113 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,639 Three of the four stars have either been aggressive and 114 00:06:41,759 --> 00:06:44,720 trashing the source material or in the case of Pascal 115 00:06:44,879 --> 00:06:49,199 I mentioned before, you know, getting very political, very vitriolic 116 00:06:49,519 --> 00:06:53,399 about various causes, and it's not what the audience wants 117 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,000 right now. And again I mentioned the last movie star, 118 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,279 Tom Cruise, Well, he was recently asked about Trump and 119 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,279 tariffs and what impact that could have on films, and 120 00:07:02,319 --> 00:07:04,759 his answer was just textbook. I just want to talk 121 00:07:04,759 --> 00:07:06,959 about mission a possible party. That's what I want to 122 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,560 talk about. That's why I'm here. And if more stars 123 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,639 would take that message, I really think it would collectively 124 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:13,639 help their industry. 125 00:07:14,279 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 2: Would it be dramatic? I don't know. I don't think so. 126 00:07:16,319 --> 00:07:18,439 Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of swirling winds of change 127 00:07:18,439 --> 00:07:22,879 around Hollywood and theater experiences and how we consume content. 128 00:07:22,959 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 2: But it couldn't hurt, that's for sure. 129 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: It happens on the music side as well. I think 130 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:33,480 the example. Djure is a guy who has been billed 131 00:07:33,519 --> 00:07:37,079 as the Boss for years. And let me say this 132 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,800 first and foremost, I'm a big fan of the music 133 00:07:40,959 --> 00:07:44,079 of Bruce Springsteen. I always have been and I always will. 134 00:07:45,079 --> 00:07:47,839 You know, Pete Rose was one of the greatest ballplayers 135 00:07:47,879 --> 00:07:51,000 of all time. He was a flawed human being. We're 136 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:56,199 all flawed human beings. I don't care about Bruce Springsteen's politics. 137 00:07:56,240 --> 00:08:00,480 I don't identify with it. When he goes overseas to 138 00:08:00,519 --> 00:08:04,199 the United Kingdom and starts, you know, bashing on a 139 00:08:04,319 --> 00:08:08,639 duly elected president, that's his right to do, but it 140 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:12,560 doesn't mean it doesn't come with repercussions, the same kind 141 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,160 of repercussions we saw with the football player by the 142 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:20,680 name of Colin Kaepernick and the whole knee movement years ago. 143 00:08:21,199 --> 00:08:22,800 This guy is indeed paying the price. 144 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 3: Is he not now well, I think that's yet to 145 00:08:26,079 --> 00:08:28,480 be determined. He's touring overseas and making a lot of 146 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,439 his comments overseas. I think that's a bit of a 147 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,720 tactful error, to put it kindly, you know, listen, I 148 00:08:34,759 --> 00:08:38,000 think my problem with the Bruce Springsteen type is that 149 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:39,000 he's the every man. 150 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 2: He's the blue collar hero. 151 00:08:40,879 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 3: But when people were complaining about the high ticket prices 152 00:08:44,399 --> 00:08:46,960 he was charging a couple of years ago, he basically 153 00:08:47,039 --> 00:08:48,720 shrugged and said, I'm worth it. I'll give you your 154 00:08:48,759 --> 00:08:50,519 money back if you don't think I gave a good show, 155 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:55,440 and really disregarded his audience. Now, listen, he is a legend, 156 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:57,759 he is an icon. He could charge whatever he wants, 157 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,399 but if you truly care about your fans, maybe there 158 00:09:00,399 --> 00:09:02,559 are things you could do to make a little less profit. 159 00:09:02,879 --> 00:09:05,320 He is insanely wealthy and he's earned it. He's a 160 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:08,399 great musician, So I thought that was a tell. But 161 00:09:08,919 --> 00:09:10,840 you know, more recently, some of his comments about Trump, 162 00:09:10,879 --> 00:09:13,480 and hey, listen, you could agree with everything he said 163 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:18,000 and at the same time recognize that we had a 164 00:09:18,039 --> 00:09:23,080 president who was compromised intellectually and physically, and he said 165 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,159 nothing and he'll never say anything about it. So if 166 00:09:25,159 --> 00:09:27,519 you really want to be a true blue, blue collar American, 167 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:29,799 you've got to be a truth teller. 168 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,039 Speaker 2: And he's not. He's just a partisan. And I think 169 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,480 they just makes him look poorly Christian. 170 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,159 Speaker 1: You know, they tried to sell us in every man 171 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:42,639 in politics. Last year's name was Tim Walls. He wore 172 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:47,039 flannel shirts. That's why he was an everyman. We're told 173 00:09:47,159 --> 00:09:51,399 he was a volunteer assistant football coach or whatever he was. 174 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,399 He was an everyman. You know, the left has tried 175 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:58,039 to sell us the everyman idea. And you know, you 176 00:09:58,159 --> 00:10:03,120 raise a very good point about appealing to the average American. 177 00:10:03,919 --> 00:10:07,600 We saw this with the Budweiser the excuse me, the 178 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:13,320 bud Light campaign. They got away from the everyman, the 179 00:10:13,399 --> 00:10:17,519 every American. They started pitching stuff that the everyman certainly 180 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:24,080 didn't relate to. It did not resonate with bud Light, Budwiser, 181 00:10:24,279 --> 00:10:28,159 Anheuser Busch learned a very valuable lesson. Again, it goes 182 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:35,120 back to will these celebrities, Will this industry ever learn 183 00:10:35,159 --> 00:10:35,720 that lesson? 184 00:10:36,759 --> 00:10:39,519 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, we're living in a very interesting time 185 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:44,679 in this regard, because authenticity matters greatly. We're inundated with 186 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,919 content and noise and programming and all these different things, 187 00:10:49,279 --> 00:10:52,759 and yet I think we really do hunger for the truth, 188 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,039 for something raw and genuine. I think one of the 189 00:10:55,039 --> 00:10:58,279 reasons why Joe Rogan is so successful as a podcast. 190 00:10:58,519 --> 00:11:01,960 He's not the greatest interview he's not the greatest comedian, 191 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:03,720 but he is who he is, and I don't think he. 192 00:11:03,759 --> 00:11:06,919 Speaker 2: Has any sort of pose about him. 193 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,519 Speaker 3: And you know, even Donald Trump, for whatever flaws he has, 194 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:11,720 he's the real deal. 195 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 2: Hate him or love him, it's it's not a pose. 196 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 3: And I think when you have at Tim Walls, who 197 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:21,320 is as inauthentic as humanly possible. I mean, you couldn't 198 00:11:21,519 --> 00:11:23,360 you couldn't create him in a lab, you couldn't write 199 00:11:23,399 --> 00:11:24,120 him in a script. 200 00:11:24,399 --> 00:11:24,879 Speaker 2: He's that. 201 00:11:25,399 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 3: He's that false and every way that matters, and you know, 202 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,480 he's trying to win us over and it just doesn't work. 203 00:11:31,519 --> 00:11:34,679 We see right through it instantly. He's maybe more of 204 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,559 the more cartoonish figures I've ever imagined in the political scene, 205 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,440 and he's got a lot of competition he does. 206 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: And it's an interesting tie. I think that is interesting 207 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,159 to everything you just described about Tim Walls, just how fake, 208 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,639 just how manufactured he was, the whole narrative. I think 209 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:54,159 that that is, you know what, he was created by 210 00:11:54,759 --> 00:11:58,440 Hollywood in a sense that kind of Hollywood is if 211 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:04,240 you will, you mentioned before what Hollywood helped try to 212 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:09,240 sell us over four years more than that in Joe Biden. 213 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,440 We have learned a great deal from the mia Culpa 214 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,840 tour of the Jake Tappers of the world, which, speaking 215 00:12:15,879 --> 00:12:24,399 of authenticity, lost our lack thereof exactly. That is the 216 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:29,240 Jake Tapper book that is coming out very soon. And 217 00:12:29,279 --> 00:12:33,600 so you know, we had Hollywood selling us that. And 218 00:12:33,639 --> 00:12:37,759 I can't think of one guy more in Hollywood or 219 00:12:37,919 --> 00:12:43,039 more identified with Hollywood selling us this bad bill of goods, 220 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:47,840 this false narrative that Joe Biden was sharp as attack 221 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,399 and you shouldn't have to worry about this guy holding 222 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,159 the reins of power in the most powerful nation on earth. 223 00:12:54,639 --> 00:12:59,759 That's George Clooney. And isn't it interesting that we find 224 00:12:59,799 --> 00:13:04,240 out in one of these tell all books now, from 225 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:09,440 these apologizing so to speak, journalists, so to speak, that 226 00:13:10,399 --> 00:13:15,120 you know that Joe Biden didn't even recognize Joe Clooney 227 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:20,559 at a fundraiser that George Clooney put together for Joe Biden. 228 00:13:21,639 --> 00:13:25,960 How much is Hollywood responsible for the great cover up 229 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:31,000 maybe one of, if not the biggest political scandals of 230 00:13:31,039 --> 00:13:33,519 our lifetime and maybe at the lifetime of this country. 231 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, they played their part. I don't think they were 232 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,799 the major players. I think the media and the administration 233 00:13:38,919 --> 00:13:41,919 were the key villains there. With doctor Joe Biden playing 234 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:46,200 a prominter, she gets the lead role in that particular performance. 235 00:13:46,399 --> 00:13:50,039 But you know, listen, Hollywood did its part. Hollywood had 236 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:54,960 four years to pounce and or seize on those clips 237 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:55,519 that we saw. 238 00:13:55,639 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 2: Again. 239 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 3: I mean, it was almost like a daily occurrence where 240 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,120 we saw a video of him stammering or stuttering or 241 00:14:01,159 --> 00:14:04,480 stumbling or falling. And listen, take a step back. You 242 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,159 never ever ever make fun of an older gentleman or 243 00:14:07,159 --> 00:14:10,480 a woman who is dealing with these kinds of issues. 244 00:14:10,799 --> 00:14:13,600 But if they're presented to us as sharp as attack 245 00:14:13,639 --> 00:14:15,720 and the president and everything, then it's game on. And 246 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,799 that's been my philosophy about Biden for all this time. 247 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,360 But you had Late in ITV which wouldn't touch them, 248 00:14:21,399 --> 00:14:25,200 and they would do the generic softball Biden so old, 249 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,519 he has these references and he's aw Shuxi, and he's this, 250 00:14:28,639 --> 00:14:33,120 and he's that. They were toothless satirical attacks. They never 251 00:14:33,159 --> 00:14:35,399 really got to the heart of the matter. Saturday Night 252 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,320 Live wouldn't touch this as well. There was one skit 253 00:14:38,399 --> 00:14:41,000 from I think it was twenty twenty one where Jason 254 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:44,240 Sudeikis was playing a younger Biden talking to the current Biden, 255 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:48,480 and he made a quip that the current Biden wasn't lucid. 256 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:52,279 And that was essentially all that SNL could do to 257 00:14:52,399 --> 00:14:54,480 mention the fact that what we all saw was happening 258 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:59,360 before our eyes. So these are the prime satirical outlets 259 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,759 of our country, and they held their ground, And of 260 00:15:01,759 --> 00:15:04,200 course most comedians held their ground too, And I make 261 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:08,960 exceptions for people like Tyler Fisher or Kyle Dunnaghan, Adam Carolla, 262 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:10,919 and of course Joe Rogan to a degree I thought 263 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,879 he treated Biden's dementia a little more seriously. They were 264 00:15:14,919 --> 00:15:19,279 the exceptions to the rule the Hollywood said, you can't 265 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,720 talk about this, you can't investigate it, you can't make 266 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,120 fun of it, you can't mock what's going on in 267 00:15:24,159 --> 00:15:27,399 our country. And that's pretty profound because they are supposed 268 00:15:27,399 --> 00:15:27,639 to be the. 269 00:15:27,639 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 2: Truth tellers of the world. 270 00:15:29,039 --> 00:15:31,799 Speaker 3: And it gets even worse because both Stephen Colbert and 271 00:15:31,919 --> 00:15:35,799 Jimmy Kimmell hosted or co hosted, or were key players 272 00:15:35,799 --> 00:15:39,159 at different Biden fundraisers. They saw him up close and personal. 273 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,480 I guarantee they didn't see as sharp as attack guy. 274 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,480 And they were quiet as well, because even though George 275 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,879 Clooney eventually spilled the beans and the New York Times 276 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:47,879 up ed saying, Joe, you. 277 00:15:47,919 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 2: Got to go. 278 00:15:48,799 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 3: Jimmy Kimmel immediately after that fundraiser where Biden froze on 279 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:57,039 stage for all to see, Jimmy Kimmel said, don't trust 280 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:57,559 your eyes. 281 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 2: It didn't happen. 282 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 4: Are you one of the seven and ten Americans reporting 283 00:16:04,399 --> 00:16:07,960 peak financial stress? Watched Out on Wall Street podcast with 284 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,240 Chris Markowski. Every day, Chris helps unpack the connection between 285 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,679 politics and the economy and how it affects your wallet. 286 00:16:13,799 --> 00:16:17,440 Seventy percent of Americans are financially stressed, but forty percent 287 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:19,759 of those people are taking multiple days off work to 288 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,759 cope with it. If that's your plan, you're doing it wrong. 289 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,039 Whether it's happening in DC or Donald Wall Street, it's 290 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:26,120 affecting you financially. 291 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: Be informed. 292 00:16:26,799 --> 00:16:28,639 Speaker 4: Check out the watch Dot on Wall Street podcast with 293 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,879 Chris Markowski on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. 294 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:39,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, very interesting and knowing the latter two comedians late 295 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,200 night talk show host as You mentioned they have been 296 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,960 an absolute war with Donald Trump, and it's not just 297 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:51,440 joking about Donald Trump this or that. And you know, 298 00:16:51,519 --> 00:16:54,759 that's certainly fine. I think in the eyes of a 299 00:16:54,759 --> 00:16:56,919 lot of Americans, a lot of viewers, those who don't 300 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,759 like it, they're going to tune it out and turn 301 00:16:59,759 --> 00:17:04,039 it on off. But it's not equal opportunity, as you mentioned, 302 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,960 and that used to be the basis of comedy. You 303 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:15,440 know that everyone was you know, a target of lampooning 304 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,839 or you know, mockery. But that's not the case with 305 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:23,839 late night talk show hosts, particularly Kimmel, particularly with Cole Baer. 306 00:17:24,839 --> 00:17:29,599 They have decided they have and apparently the network and 307 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:33,640 their sponsors have decided that they're going to play to 308 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:38,240 one part of the audience. I think about Hollywood in 309 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,119 general and what you have written about extensively over the 310 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:44,359 past several years, there is a movement, and I want 311 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,200 to get your sense on where that movement is today 312 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:55,000 of real conservative actors, you know, or actors who are 313 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:56,920 just saying, you know what, I don't want to get 314 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,519 into the politics. There are movie producers is to say, 315 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:04,200 I'm not going to get in necessarily into the politics, 316 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,240 but I'm also going to give you the other side 317 00:18:06,279 --> 00:18:09,240 of the story. That's a growing area of Hollywood. That's 318 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:13,680 something to be you know, a very positive development. How 319 00:18:13,759 --> 00:18:18,440 much of that is making an impact in Hollywood and 320 00:18:18,839 --> 00:18:20,599 entertainment today, you know. 321 00:18:20,599 --> 00:18:23,559 Speaker 3: It's a small impact, but it's not insignificant. I can 322 00:18:23,599 --> 00:18:25,960 point to Am I Racist, which came out a few 323 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,359 months ago in theaters that became the top grossing documentary 324 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:33,200 film with the last decade. So that's a start for sure. 325 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,359 And I think that moves like that, and also films 326 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,319 like What Is a Woman? Also from the Daily Wire, 327 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,640 they have had an impact on the culture. It does matter, 328 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,240 but it is the proverbial drop in the bucket. 329 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:46,039 Speaker 2: The people who. 330 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 3: Have those sort of right leaning or more balanced points 331 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,599 of view are outnumbered so aggressively it's hard to believe. 332 00:18:53,519 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 2: And I think there's a real uphill battle. 333 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,319 Speaker 3: And I think that for some reason, the people who 334 00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:59,960 are on the ride, who have the fattest wallets and purses, 335 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:04,319 still are reticent to donate to pop culture causes. 336 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 2: They don't want to fund these movies. And I you know. 337 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 3: I've spoken to Kevin Sorbo, who essentially was canceled because 338 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,039 he's a Christian and a conservative, and I I mean, 339 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,119 just saying that aloud is so shocking to me that 340 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,920 we just accept that, and clearly not alone. I mean, 341 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:19,759 James Woods hasn't worked in a decade and he's a 342 00:19:19,799 --> 00:19:22,599 terrific actor, so you know, but Sorbo has told me 343 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,920 and other people like you know, we just I struggle 344 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,440 to get the funding. He makes small films on very 345 00:19:28,519 --> 00:19:31,759 very modest budgets. I suspect they do fairly well because 346 00:19:31,799 --> 00:19:34,000 the you know, because those budgets are so low, and 347 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,359 he has a specific audience and he's aiming directly at them. 348 00:19:37,799 --> 00:19:39,720 And it's still a struggle, even though he's a name 349 00:19:39,759 --> 00:19:42,519 in this industry and even though he's got experience. So 350 00:19:42,839 --> 00:19:46,400 that's that's the downsidere I. You know, I think we're 351 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,640 in much better shape than we're ten years ago. You know, 352 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,480 we used to have people like Andrew Breitbart, and thank goodness, 353 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,200 Andrew Claven is still here, you know, ringing the bell 354 00:19:54,279 --> 00:19:57,480 and saying we can't ignore pop culture. You know, fellow conservatives, 355 00:19:57,599 --> 00:19:58,920 you do that on your own peril. 356 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:00,279 Speaker 2: We can't. 357 00:20:00,799 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 3: But I think the good thing right now is that 358 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:07,759 all the technological barriers are falling, where if I have 359 00:20:07,799 --> 00:20:10,599 an idea, and I've got a YouTube channel, and I've 360 00:20:10,599 --> 00:20:13,119 got an iPhone. I could put something up and be 361 00:20:13,319 --> 00:20:15,960 satirical and funny and crazy and compete with the big 362 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,240 boys and gals. So you know that really matters. And 363 00:20:20,079 --> 00:20:23,359 you know, as the costs keep falling and as the 364 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:28,359 technology keeps improving, then these sort of upstart creators can 365 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,799 share their message and tell their own stories their way 366 00:20:30,799 --> 00:20:33,440 without working in Hollywood. This is a little bit of 367 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:37,160 an aside, but it really kind of burned me. The 368 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,759 woman who wrote American Dirt, which was a book that 369 00:20:39,839 --> 00:20:42,880 was canceled aggressively five years ago, Jennie Cummins, she has 370 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:44,920 a new book out and it's not having any sort 371 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,240 of culture war battles. She's not being canceled. Good for her. 372 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,599 She still had to submit to a sensitivity reader when 373 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,079 she put her book out, and she said that without 374 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,039 that sensitivity reader, she would not that publisher would not 375 00:20:58,079 --> 00:20:59,960 work with her. So what we need to do is 376 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,160 work around these gatekeepers and say, hey, I'm going to 377 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,200 self published. I'm going to be like Kirt Schlichter and 378 00:21:05,319 --> 00:21:08,079 just put out books and speak directly to my audience, 379 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,279 and I'm going to be successful. And not everyone can 380 00:21:10,319 --> 00:21:12,759 be successful, but I think that is the future for 381 00:21:12,759 --> 00:21:15,200 people on the right to kind of avoid the gatekeepers, 382 00:21:15,279 --> 00:21:18,200 do things in their own, not wait for the big 383 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,039 wallets to open up to give them the cash. 384 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 2: It's very hard, It's very hard. 385 00:21:22,519 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: No, we certainly saw that with the producers of you 386 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,279 Know Almost you could, you could describe it as a phenomenon. 387 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,640 And what a wonderful thing that this is a phenomenon. 388 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,519 I think it speaks to something that's deeply missing in 389 00:21:35,559 --> 00:21:39,160 the culture. But that's the Chosen, you know, the series 390 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:43,039 on Jesus Christ and his disciples, those who were called 391 00:21:43,279 --> 00:21:52,440 to serve with Christ and his mission, that being made 392 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:58,440 today almost seems impossible given what we've seen from Hollywood, 393 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:05,440 and not just you know, the gomorra it is, but 394 00:22:06,079 --> 00:22:10,960 you know, the fact that it is so many at least, 395 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,960 it seems at least too many have been all in 396 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:19,440 on the from the River to the Sea idea. You know, 397 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:24,880 the whole Hamas is just a freedom fighter kind of 398 00:22:25,079 --> 00:22:27,359 concept that we've seen out of Hollywood and in our 399 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:31,359 college campuses. But how did that all come about? I 400 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,839 know you have written quite a bit on the Chosen 401 00:22:35,079 --> 00:22:38,160 and the you know, the production company that said we're 402 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,079 going to do this in a little different way. 403 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it starts with a vision, it starts 404 00:22:43,039 --> 00:22:45,599 with the creator, Dallas Jenkins, who knows what he wants 405 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:50,400 to share. And Angel Studios initially had or oversaw or 406 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,680 owned er anybody would describe it. I know that's moved 407 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,400 on from Angel Studios, is not connected to them any longer. 408 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,799 But they started very modestly and they had mostly actors 409 00:22:59,799 --> 00:23:03,000 who were not household names. But because the show was 410 00:23:03,039 --> 00:23:06,039 so good, it broke through the zeitgeist and all of 411 00:23:06,079 --> 00:23:08,319 a sudden everyone was talking about it. And flash forward 412 00:23:08,519 --> 00:23:11,079 five or so seasons and you could watch it now 413 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:15,000 in Prime Video. When some of these products really do 414 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:19,279 breakthrough and make money and make an impact, then Hollywood 415 00:23:19,319 --> 00:23:23,680 begrudgingly says, okay, we'll accept you. We'll we'll work with you. 416 00:23:23,799 --> 00:23:26,359 That's why you've got Prime Video working with that directly. 417 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,480 But it's not always easy, and it takes time, and 418 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,160 there's certainly reticence. And I'll put you to another recent film, 419 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,440 The King of Kings, which I believe is Angel Studios. 420 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,359 That's an animated film. Charles Dickens is involved. It's obviously 421 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,680 the greatest story ever told with a kind of a 422 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,759 youth friendly perspective. And that movie has Oscar Isaac and 423 00:23:44,799 --> 00:23:49,160 Mark Hamill and Kenneth Branna. I mean, pretty darn big names, 424 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,279 pretty an overtly faith based product. I don't think that 425 00:23:52,319 --> 00:23:55,119 happens ten years ago. But when you have success on 426 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,799 this level, then it starts to change some hearts and minds. 427 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 1: Does And I mean that's really at the end of 428 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:07,440 the day where all of this is I think intended 429 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,880 to go, the changing of hearts and minds. Our guest 430 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,480 today is Christian Toto, Award winning film critic, journalist and 431 00:24:14,519 --> 00:24:19,799 founder of Hollywood in Toto, excellent website all things entertainment 432 00:24:19,839 --> 00:24:22,240 from a conservative point of view. He hosts the Hollywood 433 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:26,880 in Toto podcast on the Radio America Network. Let's talk 434 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,759 a little bit about Hollywood sending in madness at least 435 00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:33,279 some of the players in Hollywood really rallying behind the 436 00:24:33,319 --> 00:24:37,839 Free Palestine effort. You've written a lot about that, Hollywood 437 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:43,599 in Toto. You know, we've seen this constantly doubling down. 438 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:48,880 It kind of seemingly went away a little bit, or 439 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:53,000 at least there was a break from last year's massive 440 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:57,559 disorder movement at college campuses. But you know, it's back 441 00:24:57,599 --> 00:25:03,680 in Trump two point zero. They must think this is 442 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:08,400 a winning strategy at some level. But are you surprised 443 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:13,160 by the rallying around this particular issue in Hollywood? 444 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 3: You know, I am. I'm pretty cynical about Hollywood in general. 445 00:25:17,039 --> 00:25:22,000 I've learned to be that way. And initially after October seventh, 446 00:25:22,079 --> 00:25:24,720 there were I think, you know, signed letters by a 447 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,279 whole bunch of celebrities being outraged by what happened, and 448 00:25:28,319 --> 00:25:32,079 that's good. And there were a very, very few, a 449 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,119 small group of stars who spoke out and continued to 450 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:40,160 speak out, including Deborah Messing, Michael Rappaport, Patricia Heaton, John Andrassik, 451 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,640 who's five for fighting, a really nice fellow I've gotten 452 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,319 to know a tiny bit over the years. And then 453 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,880 it flipped, really and then it became the stars signing 454 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,400 every other open letter in support of the Palestinian cause 455 00:25:53,559 --> 00:25:56,640 or something related to that. And what I found so 456 00:25:56,839 --> 00:26:00,319 shocking over the last year and a half, it's it 457 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,480 really hurts to even just share it is that, you know, 458 00:26:03,759 --> 00:26:06,880 every award show gets political and they use their podium 459 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,680 time to make stump speeches about politics, about you know, 460 00:26:10,799 --> 00:26:13,759 gender this or that, you name the cause, they talk 461 00:26:13,799 --> 00:26:16,319 about it. I don't think there's been a single person 462 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,599 who won a single award who said let those hostages free. 463 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,880 Not I don't think there's a one unless I missed it. 464 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:28,000 And I find that so disconcerting. It's not political, it's 465 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:32,519 from a deeply human point of view. But I get 466 00:26:32,559 --> 00:26:36,400 the sense within the creative community that if you are 467 00:26:36,519 --> 00:26:40,599 pro Israel, pro Jewish causes anti Hamas, that you are 468 00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:44,519 either told directly or indirectly or suspect you should be quiet. 469 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,559 I just think that's what's going on. You know, I've 470 00:26:47,559 --> 00:26:51,240 been covering actors and talented people who have been canceled 471 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:55,720 because they are Jewish. Michael Rappaport one of them. 472 00:26:55,759 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 2: You know, I've seen that. 473 00:26:56,799 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 3: I've seen film critics mostly ignore some pro Jewish features, 474 00:27:03,799 --> 00:27:09,359 documentary films. It's I think we're all collectively, I suspect, 475 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,799 roll collectively shocked how much anti Semitism is in was 476 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,559 lurking to not even run the edges anymore. 477 00:27:15,559 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 2: It's really in your face. 478 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 3: But Hollywood is part of that. It's truly shameful. 479 00:27:20,319 --> 00:27:22,559 Speaker 1: Well, so much for the idea that Hollywood is run 480 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,640 by Jews. You know, that's the whole notion over how 481 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:32,279 many years, you know, But it is shocking there is 482 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,039 how much anti Semitism we have found in Hollywood. 483 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:37,599 Speaker 2: It really is. 484 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 3: And you know, there were some people who paid a 485 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:45,559 brief price for being flirting with anti Semitic thoughts, like 486 00:27:45,759 --> 00:27:49,519 Susan Sarandon and Melissa Barrera from the screen films, and 487 00:27:49,559 --> 00:27:52,799 then I keep seeing Susan Sarandon on a movie screens 488 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,880 large and small. I don't think that she's necessarily suffered 489 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,279 too much. I think she lost her representative initially, and 490 00:27:59,319 --> 00:28:02,079 I think that Barret actress has got new gigs lined up. 491 00:28:02,599 --> 00:28:05,079 You know, I don't like it when actors are canceled 492 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,200 unless they've done something truly horrific. So I'm not in 493 00:28:08,279 --> 00:28:10,559 favor of that, per se But I just just mentioning 494 00:28:10,599 --> 00:28:12,640 what happened after the Octo per seventh attacks. 495 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,319 Speaker 2: But yeah, it's it's been shocking to see. 496 00:28:15,319 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 3: And you know, I grew up as a big fan 497 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,799 of John Cusack, a good actor is in some iconic films, 498 00:28:20,839 --> 00:28:23,079 certainly of my youth and many people's youths as well. 499 00:28:23,599 --> 00:28:26,319 And you follow his Twitter feed, it's pretty rough. It's 500 00:28:26,319 --> 00:28:28,960 pretty rough. It's pretty anti Israel, it's pretty propalacity and 501 00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:32,039 cause in a way that I find deeply uncomfortable. And 502 00:28:32,759 --> 00:28:34,440 I don't even know if he cares to work. Anyone 503 00:28:34,599 --> 00:28:36,839 to know what his situation is. I don't want him 504 00:28:36,839 --> 00:28:38,839 to be blocked from working, But if I was a 505 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,799 Jewish actor on a set with him, I'd be I'd 506 00:28:41,799 --> 00:28:42,400 be uncomfortable. 507 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:43,119 Speaker 2: I just put it that way. 508 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,559 Speaker 1: I went too. I understand it, and I think a 509 00:28:47,599 --> 00:28:50,599 lot of Americans have just tuned that out. You know, 510 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:55,839 we shut off the social media stuff. We've gotten that 511 00:28:56,039 --> 00:28:59,759 since the advent of social media, we've learned a lot 512 00:28:59,799 --> 00:29:02,960 of things, a lot more about these people that we 513 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,720 thought to be heroes. You know, we put up on 514 00:29:06,759 --> 00:29:09,680 a pedestal and then all of a sudden, God, is 515 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:15,720 that is that the Is that a commonality that a 516 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,960 lot of Americans now share as we have to kind 517 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:25,480 of readjust our thoughts. You know, the celebrities of one 518 00:29:25,559 --> 00:29:29,359 kind or another have taken positions, political positions or whatever. 519 00:29:29,599 --> 00:29:32,759 But you know, it's like the Bruce Springsteen stuff, you know, 520 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:38,599 portrayed as someone that you know he clearly is not. 521 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,480 And we learn through all of these social network posts 522 00:29:42,519 --> 00:29:46,640 a lot more about these people, and I know I'm 523 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,680 one of them, and I know that there are many 524 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:53,279 other Americans who, you know, we get this kind of 525 00:29:53,799 --> 00:29:58,000 additional information, the supplemental information about these people because they 526 00:29:58,039 --> 00:29:59,640 are people at the end of the day, they have 527 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:04,559 believe have ideas. But we're just like I have enough. 528 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,920 I didn't pay this much money to go to a 529 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,440 theater if I go to a theater anymore, or pay 530 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,319 this much for my streaming service to have to be 531 00:30:13,359 --> 00:30:16,079 inundated with your political crap all the time. 532 00:30:16,759 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think, even though I probably agree 533 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,519 with a lot of what a kid rock might say 534 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,200 on stage and off, if I go to his concert, 535 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:25,039 I really don't want to hear it. 536 00:30:25,079 --> 00:30:27,279 Speaker 2: I really don't know. I understand. I want to hear him. 537 00:30:27,359 --> 00:30:28,240 I want to hear him. 538 00:30:28,079 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 3: Tell stories about why he wrote that song, or how 539 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,240 he recorded it, or the most memorable time of him 540 00:30:34,279 --> 00:30:36,839 singing it. That's why I'm there, That's why I paid 541 00:30:36,839 --> 00:30:39,839 big bucks to go see that concert. So that can 542 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,759 be very frustrating. There are some articles after the recent 543 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,480 twenty forty and four election that said that the celebrity 544 00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:50,240 endorsements might actually be working against the Democrats. 545 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 2: At this point. 546 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,359 Speaker 3: And you know, it's tough to really nail down from 547 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,400 a data point of view, for sure, but just the 548 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,359 fact that that's even out there is indicative of the 549 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,359 frustration that many people have. And listen, you can thread 550 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,720 the needle. I've always found that Angeline and Joe Lee 551 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:10,480 is more thoughtful and more considerate of the world around her, 552 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,400 and she's not just a vapid celebrity. But I've never 553 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,359 heard her really demean my views or other people who 554 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,319 think like me. I don't think that's the way she rolls. 555 00:31:19,759 --> 00:31:22,839 So I certainly think there's room for an actor to 556 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,559 use his or her clout to speak for an issue. 557 00:31:25,799 --> 00:31:28,039 I want to share it just a really quick story. 558 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,200 I don't know if your listeners may know the actor 559 00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:32,440 Tony Todd. You may know his name, his face when 560 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,880 you see him. He's an African American actor. He just 561 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,240 passed away a few months ago. Really known for his 562 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,720 horror work. He was really prolific in that arena, and 563 00:31:40,759 --> 00:31:44,599 he recently started a new movie called Final Destination Blood Lines, 564 00:31:44,599 --> 00:31:47,000 and he's in it's his last big screen performance. And 565 00:31:47,119 --> 00:31:48,799 from what I'm reading on Twitter, and I think this 566 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,000 is accurate, he was sick on the set. They knew 567 00:31:52,039 --> 00:31:53,759 he didn't have a lot longer to live, but he 568 00:31:53,799 --> 00:31:56,200 wanted to be in this movie. And the director and 569 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,759 the creative team said, hey, Tony, why don't you improvise 570 00:31:58,839 --> 00:32:00,920 this last scene and just share your thoughts almost like 571 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,680 you're talking to your fans. And every time I hear 572 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,799 that story, I do two things come to mind. I 573 00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:08,079 want to cry because it's such a beautiful moment. Yeah, 574 00:32:08,119 --> 00:32:11,319 and also, you know, I think by default we want 575 00:32:11,319 --> 00:32:14,200 to like actors. They make our lives better, They entertain us, 576 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,759 they engage us, they make us laugh, to make us cry. 577 00:32:17,119 --> 00:32:20,079 I think we are predisposed to think they're interesting people. 578 00:32:20,039 --> 00:32:21,559 Speaker 2: I'd like to meet them, like to shake their hands 579 00:32:21,599 --> 00:32:22,039 one day. 580 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,559 Speaker 3: And I think by not just getting political, but getting 581 00:32:25,599 --> 00:32:28,960 surly and angry and dismissive and cruel, they really do 582 00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:30,559 shadow that bond and it's a shame. 583 00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 2: I don't think that needs to. 584 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,519 Speaker 1: Be Yeah, I agree with you on what a powerful 585 00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:39,599 moment that was from Tony Todd and you know, his 586 00:32:39,759 --> 00:32:44,119 last moments really and sharing that special moment with his 587 00:32:44,279 --> 00:32:48,279 fans over over the years. Well, let's talk about the 588 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,200 things that actors are supposed to do. Like act or 589 00:32:52,319 --> 00:32:56,720 paid to do, I should say better put, we have 590 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,119 a right smack dab or coming up smack dab in 591 00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:04,400 the middle of what used to be. And I'm curious 592 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:10,119 if it still is the biggest time of the movie season, 593 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,279 or at least one of the biggest times of the 594 00:33:13,319 --> 00:33:17,039 movie calendar year, and that is the big Memorial Day 595 00:33:17,079 --> 00:33:22,000 weekend release into the big summer blockbusters. Let's begin. There 596 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,960 is this still meaningful in the age of streaming, all 597 00:33:26,039 --> 00:33:29,160 of the releases coming out this time of the year, 598 00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:32,640 the first big weekend of the summer, and let's talk 599 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,880 about some of the blockbusters that are headed our way. 600 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, better be meaningful because this is where Hollywood should 601 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,640 make some serious coin and a lot of bucks are 602 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,759 being spent to make that possible. Now mission impossible. The 603 00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:50,079 Final Reckoning is coming out this month, Tom Cruise. It 604 00:33:50,119 --> 00:33:53,160 should be very big. The complication there is the budget 605 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,480 was enormous. I've heard it as high as four hundred 606 00:33:55,559 --> 00:34:01,039 million implication. There's a lot going on behind the scenes. 607 00:34:01,079 --> 00:34:04,240 But I think that's really indicative of where Hollywood is 608 00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:07,480 in trouble at the moment, because even their slam dunk 609 00:34:07,559 --> 00:34:11,360 movies may not even be profitable because those budgets are 610 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,280 sky high. Now, if you look at the recent Mission 611 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:18,239 Impossible films, in order to kind of cut, you know, 612 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,840 get to even this one will have to overperform. 613 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 2: So that's already a question mark. 614 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 3: So you know, whether you love the movie, you hate 615 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,800 the movie, it's just there's a fiscal reality there. But 616 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,119 we have others that seem like surer things. I mean, 617 00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:33,239 there's a new Jurassic World movie with scroll at Johansson. 618 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,960 That movie just that DIFFERENTI just just generates money. It's 619 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,360 just it's a machine and I never bet against it. 620 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,320 The new Fantastic Four movie is more of a question 621 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,440 mark on multiple fronts, including the actors sort of putting 622 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,400 their foot in their mouths with and the Rachel Zegler effect. 623 00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:52,239 The new Superman movie comes out in July. I think 624 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,480 just from curiosity alone, it could be huge, but the 625 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,639 fall off could be profound if it doesn't really deliver. 626 00:34:58,159 --> 00:35:01,480 So you've got movies like that coming soon. Yeah, this 627 00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:04,119 is the summer movie season. This is where you make 628 00:35:04,199 --> 00:35:06,320 a lot of money, and then it's followed by the 629 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,880 Oscar season. So that's a much more muted response from 630 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,800 at least from a box office perspective, and you know this, 631 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,760 this year start out very badly, a lot of big bombs, 632 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:20,599 Mickey seventeen, the Auto Nights just really depressing. Of course, 633 00:35:20,599 --> 00:35:22,960 snow White was a significant rechiever. 634 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 2: But then we got a. 635 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,119 Speaker 3: Minecraft movie, which was huge, and we got Sinners, which 636 00:35:26,159 --> 00:35:28,920 is a great movie and is delivering at the box office. 637 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,960 So the bottom line is, I think people are still 638 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,880 intrigued and interested by the theatrical experience, but you've got 639 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,400 to give them a reason to go, and often Hollywood 640 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:37,880 doesn't do that. 641 00:35:38,519 --> 00:35:41,639 Speaker 1: Four hundred million dollars, My god, that was crazy. That's 642 00:35:41,679 --> 00:35:47,480 a cutter jet right there. Holy moly. Well, you know 643 00:35:47,679 --> 00:35:51,400 it's as much as I am. I am not your 644 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,119 average moviegoer. I haven't seen a movie at the theaters 645 00:35:55,159 --> 00:35:58,199 and I don't remember. I remember my kids were much 646 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:02,400 smaller and the demand from the kids was much greater 647 00:36:02,519 --> 00:36:05,880 at that time. But you know, we watch a lot 648 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:12,719 of stuff, anything new we're watching via streaming. And I 649 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,400 will tell you this that I have good news, at 650 00:36:16,519 --> 00:36:21,199 least in a small sample size for Hollywood and the 651 00:36:21,519 --> 00:36:25,360 big productions. My son, who is graduating from high school 652 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,760 here in a few days. He and his buddies painted 653 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,599 themselves up in Minecraft green or whatever it was, and 654 00:36:34,199 --> 00:36:36,760 you know, they went out to the movie and it 655 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:41,800 was packed, and you know, the kids got into the spirit. 656 00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:45,079 The movie going crowd got into the spirit of the movies. 657 00:36:45,559 --> 00:36:47,679 And that's something that I don't think we have had 658 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,079 a lot of. It seems to me in recent years, 659 00:36:51,159 --> 00:36:56,760 the kind of crowd engagement that that movie seemingly has drawn. 660 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,039 Do you think Hollywood will will notice that and double 661 00:37:02,119 --> 00:37:04,519 down on that kind of entertainment. 662 00:37:05,639 --> 00:37:07,360 Speaker 2: It's good thinking they should. 663 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,800 Speaker 3: I think it's far trickier than you imagine, because it's like. 664 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,119 Speaker 2: Unexpected in a way. 665 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:14,800 Speaker 3: You know, a couple of years ago, I didn't like 666 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,400 the Barbie movie, but a lot of people loved it, 667 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,400 God bless them, and it was a huge hit. But 668 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,880 that became an event. Women would get their girlfriends together, 669 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,599 they'd dress up like Barbie or they just look great. 670 00:37:24,519 --> 00:37:26,599 Speaker 2: And they'd go to the movie together. It became an event, 671 00:37:26,639 --> 00:37:27,440 it became a moment. 672 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,760 Speaker 3: I think a Minecraft movie had that similar impact, and 673 00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:34,639 so I think that's really good for the theatrical experience. 674 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,639 I think anytime Christopher Nolan, the great director, comes out 675 00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:40,000 with a movie like Oppenheimer. It becomes an event and 676 00:37:40,039 --> 00:37:42,679 you can't just say I'm gonna watch it on streaming. 677 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 2: I need to see it. I need to have a conversation. 678 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,039 Speaker 3: So that's very tricky to do to build up to 679 00:37:49,159 --> 00:37:50,159 make possible. 680 00:37:51,159 --> 00:37:53,880 Speaker 2: But I think that studios. 681 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,800 Speaker 3: Should really think about ways they could spark that kind 682 00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:58,639 of anticipation. 683 00:37:59,199 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 2: I think that would help. 684 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,239 Speaker 3: You know, there's been really good numbers out of the 685 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,599 popcorn bucket industry where they make these really unique popcorn 686 00:38:06,599 --> 00:38:10,559 buckets based on certain films, and I mean it sounds simple, 687 00:38:10,639 --> 00:38:16,639 it sounds basic, but that makes people interested and that 688 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,000 they maybe they can want to collect their favorite popcorn bucket. 689 00:38:19,039 --> 00:38:21,000 So I think you need a little bit of innovation 690 00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:22,920 going on. A few weeks ago, I saw would be 691 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,239 called Novacane. It's an action comedy and the theater I 692 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,559 saw it in was was called four D or four 693 00:38:28,599 --> 00:38:31,920 D Express and I hadn't seen this before. Where my 694 00:38:32,119 --> 00:38:36,360 seat shook during the movie, ah the hero was getting punched. 695 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,599 I felt things in the back of my head. 696 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:39,119 Speaker 2: You know. 697 00:38:39,199 --> 00:38:42,119 Speaker 3: I had to say, I'm an old timer, so I'm thinking, 698 00:38:42,199 --> 00:38:43,320 let me get let me get out of here. I 699 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:44,760 don't want to do I don't want to do this, 700 00:38:45,079 --> 00:38:46,880 but I told my kid it was a teenager about it. 701 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,679 Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, that sounds amazing. So I think we 702 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:50,119 have to. 703 00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:54,719 Speaker 3: Start innovating at the theatrical level and make it something special, because, 704 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,400 like you said, streaming is comfortable, it's wonderful, it's easy. 705 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,480 The titles come to streaming much sooner than ever before. 706 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,559 That's a lot to compete with, and Hollywood has to 707 00:39:04,599 --> 00:39:05,159 think about that. 708 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,320 Speaker 1: It's funny that you say that, because you know, we're 709 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,440 talking about innovation and it does sound that way, But 710 00:39:11,199 --> 00:39:14,480 there were movies in the nineteen fifties, you know that 711 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,880 obviously had the three D and had the goofy three 712 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:21,719 D glasses, but they had similar situations where people were feeling, 713 00:39:22,039 --> 00:39:26,599 you know, whatever was supposedly and I'm sure the technology 714 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,559 was a little bit different in nineteen fifty seven than 715 00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:34,639 it is today. But nonetheless, you know, this is taking 716 00:39:34,679 --> 00:39:39,760 that immersive sort of experience into the movie theater well 717 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:44,239 close with the best and worst movies that you have 718 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,800 seen thus far this year and so far in terms 719 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:53,360 of your reviewing the big you know, Hollywood blockbusters coming 720 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,039 out this summer. But before we do that, I want 721 00:39:57,079 --> 00:39:59,840 to get your thought. I would assume you have not 722 00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:05,239 seen the final cut of the latest Spinal Tap movie 723 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,440 that is set to come out, I believe in September. 724 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,480 What are you hearing though about this movie? I am, 725 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:20,360 as a Spinal Tap fan, very excited and also a 726 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:25,599 bit nauseous because I know Meathead's involved. Obviously he didn't 727 00:40:25,639 --> 00:40:32,960 bring in his leftist political commentary into that movie, and 728 00:40:33,039 --> 00:40:35,599 let's face it, many of the movies he's made, but 729 00:40:35,679 --> 00:40:39,159 he is such it's the same kind of thing. You 730 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,719 just wonder how much is going to be injected into 731 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,039 this latest iteration? What have you heard about? This is 732 00:40:46,119 --> 00:40:48,920 Spinal Tap with Meathead at the helm. 733 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 2: You know it's funny. 734 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:54,199 Speaker 3: I've heard almost nothing about it, specifically heard it teased 735 00:40:54,679 --> 00:40:57,599 her to go into production. Then finally there was an 736 00:40:57,639 --> 00:41:01,000 announcement it's coming in September, like you listen. 737 00:41:01,679 --> 00:41:03,400 Speaker 2: At one point, Rob Reiner. 738 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,800 Speaker 3: Was the toast of Hollywood and made some great movies 739 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,440 back to back to back to back. Misery stand by me, Princess. 740 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,000 Probably when Harry met Sally, a few good men. I 741 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,079 mean he had a run. Dude had a run, and 742 00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:16,719 he hasn't made a good film in a very long 743 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,920 time he is trump ranged in a way that is 744 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,079 really off the charts. So I couldn't be more nervous 745 00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:27,320 about it. It doesn't seem necessary. It seems like a 746 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,760 tremendous risk. So that's those are my thoughts about it. 747 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,440 I mean, I couldn't be more nervous about it. The 748 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,559 film is a classic. I love it to death, but 749 00:41:34,599 --> 00:41:36,119 I have to say I've not shown it to my 750 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,400 teen children because I don't think that they get many, 751 00:41:39,519 --> 00:41:42,000 if not any, of the references too as the rock 752 00:41:42,039 --> 00:41:45,119 and things. So in a way it's oddly dated. It's 753 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,280 through no fault of its own. It's just time marches on. 754 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,960 But yeah, I'm I have no idea what they're going 755 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,880 to present to us. I know the people, you know, 756 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,760 Michael McKean and Harry Shearer, Christopher Guest are extremely talented, 757 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,880 and I really hope this isn't a paycheck for them, 758 00:41:59,039 --> 00:42:03,039 because this deserves something significant and worthy of that legacy. 759 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,039 Speaker 1: I agree. I showed it to my wife in a 760 00:42:05,039 --> 00:42:08,320 similar experience, and I'm just very fortunate to be married 761 00:42:09,079 --> 00:42:11,559 to this day. She did not get it to her. 762 00:42:12,199 --> 00:42:14,920 It was like the Three Stooges for women. It just 763 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,119 it did not it did not connect. All right, let 764 00:42:19,199 --> 00:42:24,559 us close by some examples of some really good movies 765 00:42:24,599 --> 00:42:27,360 that you have seen thus far you would recommend, and 766 00:42:28,039 --> 00:42:31,000 you have some real dud's coming out of Hollywood today. 767 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mentioned briefly before Sinners was terrific. It's a 768 00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,599 vampire movie, but it's it's got depth and soul and 769 00:42:37,639 --> 00:42:41,199 great music and sex appeal. It's a little bit of everything. 770 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,280 Ryan Coogler is the director, the man behind Creed and 771 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:50,199 Black Panther and fruitfel Station. He's a really talented filmmaker. 772 00:42:50,559 --> 00:42:52,559 And the fact that as a horror junkie who's seen 773 00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:54,920 every horror film and loves it to death, it felt 774 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:56,920 different and fresh and novel. I don't know how you 775 00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,480 do that as a filmmaker, So bravo to It might 776 00:43:00,519 --> 00:43:02,880 be my favorite movie the year so far. On the 777 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,679 clunker side, it's a little easier. The Alto Knights was 778 00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,079 a movie with Robert de Niro playing not one but 779 00:43:08,119 --> 00:43:12,320 two gangsters. Numbs's decisions I can possibly imagine, but the 780 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:16,000 film is a disaster, a terrible script Listen Denannier was 781 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:16,679 still a great actor. 782 00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:17,920 Speaker 2: I don't fault him. 783 00:43:18,679 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 3: I felt the decision to have him play two different 784 00:43:21,079 --> 00:43:22,000 people in the film. 785 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,800 Speaker 2: So that was awful. A movie I just saw on 786 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,119 streaming a few weeks ago. 787 00:43:27,199 --> 00:43:29,599 Speaker 3: I think it might be prime video called Holland with 788 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,440 Nicole Kidman. Now I know where there was no buzz 789 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,599 and why I went straight to streaming. It's a terrible film. 790 00:43:34,639 --> 00:43:36,840 It's a little bit like Stepford Wives, but not really. 791 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,760 Just skip it all costs, and of course Craven the 792 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,039 Hunter was I almost hesitated to put it on a 793 00:43:43,119 --> 00:43:46,280 terrible list because it's so bad. It's oddly entertaining at times, 794 00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,800 but it's still a bad movie, so it belongs there. 795 00:43:49,199 --> 00:43:52,920 Speaker 1: Howard the Duck so you know in that van, Yeah, 796 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:53,119 you know. 797 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,920 Speaker 3: I've recently rewatched Howard the Dock. I don't I think 798 00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:58,920 it's just flat out a bad movie. I don't think 799 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,159 it's got that so bad. It's good vibe, which I enjoy. 800 00:44:01,559 --> 00:44:03,559 Like I think even Madam Webb for Last from last 801 00:44:03,639 --> 00:44:06,679 year was so awful. I think I want to. 802 00:44:06,639 --> 00:44:09,840 Speaker 2: Rewatch it and just laugh. Yes, maybe have an adult 803 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,039 beverage along the way. 804 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,280 Speaker 1: I was in the sixth grade when Howard the Duck 805 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,000 came out, and I went with my older brother ten 806 00:44:18,079 --> 00:44:22,960 years older and his friends and we had a hoot, 807 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,440 not because the movie was was a comedy, not because 808 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,679 it made us laugh, but it made us laugh, of 809 00:44:31,679 --> 00:44:34,360 course in ways that it did not intend to, and 810 00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:38,559 sometimes that's the joy. Well, I very much, as always, 811 00:44:38,599 --> 00:44:41,320 appreciate your perspective and I really enjoyed the fact that 812 00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,320 we had a chance to really extend our conversation and 813 00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:48,360 get into some you know, some issues that we're watching 814 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:52,440 play out every day from Hollywood and beyond. And thank 815 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,880 you so much for joining us on the Federalist Radio Hour. 816 00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:56,360 Speaker 2: Oh my pleasure. I enjoy it. 817 00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:01,440 Speaker 1: Thanks again to our guest today, Christian Toto, Award film critic, journalist, 818 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,320 founder of Hollywood in Toto, and host of the Hollywood 819 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,320 in Toto podcast. You've been listening to another edition of 820 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,119 the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle's senior elections correspondent 821 00:45:12,159 --> 00:45:15,679 at the Federalist. We'll be back soon with more. Until then, 822 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,639 stay lovers of freedom and anxious for the Fray. 823 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:36,920 Speaker 3: I heard the fame voice reason, and then it faded away.