WEBVTT 1 00:01:45.000 --> 00:04:06.439 And in. 2 00:03:13.280 --> 00:03:16.960 Well, what's up, guys, Welcome to Big for Zone E 3 00:03:17.159 --> 00:03:17.759 c v R O. 4 00:03:19.000 --> 00:03:19.159 Uh. 5 00:03:19.360 --> 00:03:21.400 Meanwhile, tight, I'm gonna bring the rest of the crew 6 00:03:21.439 --> 00:03:23.840 in here. And we got a very awesome guest tonight. 7 00:03:26.439 --> 00:03:29.080 Well you know what, I was debating on reading his bio, 8 00:03:29.199 --> 00:03:30.960 but you know, this man's got a lot of information. 9 00:03:31.199 --> 00:03:34.280 We're gonna let him speak for himself. Uh, So everyone 10 00:03:34.360 --> 00:03:35.759 sit tight, let me bring the night in. 11 00:03:35.759 --> 00:03:37.199 Our our crew. 12 00:03:37.360 --> 00:03:40.560 We got David and Melissa Lester coming right in here. 13 00:03:40.560 --> 00:03:44.280 As soon as my screen cooperates, there it goes, Hey, 14 00:03:44.360 --> 00:03:48.080 David and Melissa, and that awesome. 15 00:03:48.080 --> 00:03:49.080 How you guys doing tonight? 16 00:03:50.319 --> 00:03:52.439 Good? Good Friday night. 17 00:03:53.479 --> 00:03:55.520 That's right, our Friday night podcast. Here we go. 18 00:03:55.599 --> 00:03:58.280 And for the record, for those who tune in right now, 19 00:03:58.879 --> 00:04:02.960 if you're not subscribed, please do so. 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We're not your babyshitter. 30 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:33.199 We can't keep up with you. 31 00:04:33.199 --> 00:04:33.360 You know. 32 00:04:33.519 --> 00:04:36.079 I've had people tell me, hey, could you send me 33 00:04:36.160 --> 00:04:38.800 the link when you go live? It pisses me off 34 00:04:38.800 --> 00:04:40.680 of the assass And why don't you pay attention to shit? 35 00:04:41.879 --> 00:04:45.959 I share everything publicly all over the place. Just subscribe. 36 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:48.879 It'll be easy for you if people don't comprehend the 37 00:04:48.920 --> 00:04:49.879 simplest shaving life. 38 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:51.040 But you know that's right. 39 00:04:51.759 --> 00:04:54.959 Let's get our guests in here. Guys, we got Ronald 40 00:04:55.079 --> 00:04:57.839 Murphy with us. Ronald, thank you for joining us tonight. 41 00:04:57.839 --> 00:04:58.639 How are you. 42 00:04:58.800 --> 00:05:01.319 Hey, it's my pleasure, Like I said, and the pre 43 00:05:01.399 --> 00:05:03.680 show he said, you know, we spoke a few times 44 00:05:03.720 --> 00:05:06.040 when I've never been on your show, so it's truly 45 00:05:06.079 --> 00:05:08.120 an honor to be here, and I'm looking forward to 46 00:05:08.120 --> 00:05:09.040 to getting in with you. 47 00:05:09.800 --> 00:05:13.720 Oh absolutely absolutely. You know, we we chatted a little 48 00:05:13.720 --> 00:05:17.000 bit earlier, briefly, got a few things, but I feel like, 49 00:05:17.079 --> 00:05:19.240 you know, after tonight, I feel like we're gonna have 50 00:05:19.279 --> 00:05:21.759 to bring you. I mean, I'm already what's the word, 51 00:05:21.800 --> 00:05:25.680 I'm already I forget the word look more. But after 52 00:05:25.720 --> 00:05:27.879 all this is said and done and we go through tonight, 53 00:05:28.399 --> 00:05:31.639 something telling me we need to bring you back already, 54 00:05:31.639 --> 00:05:31.959 I hope. 55 00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:34.600 So I don't want to disappoint you. So if you 56 00:05:34.959 --> 00:05:37.399 you'll like me enough, I'll be glad to come back 57 00:05:37.439 --> 00:05:37.879 on again. 58 00:05:38.519 --> 00:05:38.680 Oh. 59 00:05:38.720 --> 00:05:41.879 Absolutely. We always love a good guest, you know, and 60 00:05:41.920 --> 00:05:43.160 I'm already liking you, so. 61 00:05:43.279 --> 00:05:48.399 Come on, you won't come back anytime. 62 00:05:49.959 --> 00:05:53.399 I was admiring yours as well too from the green room. 63 00:05:53.519 --> 00:05:54.600 Very nice, very nice. 64 00:05:55.160 --> 00:06:00.240 Ah, I can put mine, but mine's in the cart. 65 00:06:00.680 --> 00:06:03.959 We need to get you a hot You do understand that, correct, Yeah, 66 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:09.839 I understand that they don't take you seriously in this 67 00:06:09.879 --> 00:06:13.040 field unless you have a hat and a beard. If 68 00:06:13.079 --> 00:06:15.600 you have a hat and a beard both, then you 69 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:19.199 are an unquestioned authority. There you go, perfect, perfect. 70 00:06:21.600 --> 00:06:22.800 I guess I could deal with it. 71 00:06:25.040 --> 00:06:27.120 Well, she can only borrow some of mine rhymes. 72 00:06:27.160 --> 00:06:30.720 I mean, that's right, that's right, I love it. 73 00:06:32.399 --> 00:06:32.600 Well. 74 00:06:33.240 --> 00:06:34.920 One other thing before we get any further. 75 00:06:35.720 --> 00:06:38.079 If you guys are watching from YouTube, I'm sure that's 76 00:06:38.120 --> 00:06:43.079 where everyone's watching from right now, jump on the live chat. 77 00:06:43.199 --> 00:06:45.680 We love interaction on the live chat and if you 78 00:06:45.720 --> 00:06:49.920 have questions for our guests, please don't don't have to say. 79 00:06:49.959 --> 00:06:50.759 I'll try our best. 80 00:06:50.800 --> 00:06:52.399 You know, we always try our best to keep up 81 00:06:52.439 --> 00:06:56.959 with comments and chats and everything, you know, so we 82 00:06:56.959 --> 00:06:59.519 we'll post them up on the screen, and you know, 83 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:03.399 we'll try our best to keep up with everything. 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Ron Ron. 98 00:07:43.480 --> 00:07:47.079 I'm gonna of course go go straight forward to you know, 99 00:07:47.319 --> 00:07:48.160 put you on the spot. 100 00:07:49.720 --> 00:07:51.240 I was wondering if you guys, if. 101 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:53.079 You feel you know, if you're cool it was. 102 00:07:53.040 --> 00:07:55.560 Giving us a background, But what got you started in 103 00:07:55.560 --> 00:07:57.600 the whole Bigfoot and drypted world all together? 104 00:07:58.199 --> 00:08:00.240 Sure, you know, that's a great question because I see 105 00:08:00.279 --> 00:08:02.879 a lot of people on these podcasts and like, what 106 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:04.000 the heck hapen in there? 107 00:08:04.000 --> 00:08:04.839 Because like, I. 108 00:08:04.839 --> 00:08:07.560 Don't think anybody's really boring into doing this, right, there 109 00:08:07.600 --> 00:08:11.839 has to be some sort of precedence sent in order 110 00:08:11.879 --> 00:08:14.439 to get us to where we are right now. And 111 00:08:14.879 --> 00:08:18.279 I grew up in rural western Pennsylvania, right at the 112 00:08:18.279 --> 00:08:21.839 foothills of the Chestnut Ridge, right so immediately I was 113 00:08:21.920 --> 00:08:26.560 brought into you know, that particular area, and my mother 114 00:08:26.839 --> 00:08:33.279 had a fascination with the unexplained, the paranormal, you know, UFOs, Bigfoot, 115 00:08:33.279 --> 00:08:35.559 all that kind of stuff. And I was a child 116 00:08:35.559 --> 00:08:39.039 of the nineteen seventies, and this was the perfect time 117 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:42.600 for this curiosity to come about, right, This was the 118 00:08:42.679 --> 00:08:46.200 time of in search of and that's incredible, and all 119 00:08:46.279 --> 00:08:49.080 these great Bigfoot movies, the Legend of Boggy Creek, you know. 120 00:08:49.720 --> 00:08:53.039 So as a kid who had an interest in this stuff, 121 00:08:53.919 --> 00:08:56.399 I could see it all the time, and I remember 122 00:08:56.879 --> 00:08:59.559 going down to the library and whenever I tell people this, 123 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:02.919 especially if there's anybody younger here, they don't understand how 124 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:03.759 libraries work. 125 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:05.159 But as a kid, you know, we. 126 00:09:05.159 --> 00:09:07.519 Would have to go down to the library and go 127 00:09:07.600 --> 00:09:10.360 through a Dewey decimal system, Right, we'd have to go 128 00:09:10.399 --> 00:09:12.960 through a card file and then we would find the 129 00:09:12.960 --> 00:09:15.080 book and then we would have to go look for that. 130 00:09:15.120 --> 00:09:17.080 But so it was kind of like a Bigfoot hunt 131 00:09:17.519 --> 00:09:20.039 in and of itself. Right, you had some clues and 132 00:09:20.120 --> 00:09:22.039 you had to track down the evidence that you found 133 00:09:22.080 --> 00:09:25.440 what you were looking for. But our little library in 134 00:09:25.480 --> 00:09:30.039 Blairsville was very well stocked with great bigfoot books, you know, 135 00:09:30.440 --> 00:09:33.240 Ivan Sanderson and Who Woman's and all this great stuff. 136 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:36.240 I was able to read as a kid, and my 137 00:09:36.399 --> 00:09:40.639 mother and I we would listen to the radio. Before podcasts, 138 00:09:40.679 --> 00:09:43.559 they also had radio at the time. So once a 139 00:09:43.679 --> 00:09:48.080 month on Katie Ka out of Pittsburgh, Stan Gordon would 140 00:09:48.080 --> 00:09:50.639 come on. Now Stan Gordon is like the grandfather of 141 00:09:50.679 --> 00:09:53.919 the unexplained here in western Pennsylvania, and he would come 142 00:09:53.919 --> 00:09:57.960 on and he would give updates on strange things that happen, 143 00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:03.000 UFO sightings, people finding Bigfoot tracks, all this great stuff. 144 00:10:03.639 --> 00:10:06.320 And my mom and I went listening to stories and 145 00:10:06.360 --> 00:10:08.879 then the next day we would go out and do 146 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:12.679 our own investigation into the areas that Stan was talking 147 00:10:12.679 --> 00:10:15.559 about on the radio. Now, we never found anything, but 148 00:10:15.639 --> 00:10:18.399 it was a great bonding experience to have with my mother, 149 00:10:18.840 --> 00:10:20.600 and it's something that I take with me now. I mean, 150 00:10:20.679 --> 00:10:23.679 I have five children. They've all went on you know, 151 00:10:23.799 --> 00:10:28.240 expeditions with me as well too, because what developed since 152 00:10:28.320 --> 00:10:31.519 I was a child, Even though I've never seen a bigfoot, right, 153 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:35.120 I've had a lot of anecdotal things happen. I've found tracks, 154 00:10:35.159 --> 00:10:40.360 I've heard some vocalizations, but I've never saw the creature 155 00:10:40.399 --> 00:10:44.600 that we call bigfoot visually. But what keeps me going 156 00:10:45.440 --> 00:10:48.279 is whenever I was a kid, I had a reverence 157 00:10:48.360 --> 00:10:50.879 for the forest and I had a bit of a 158 00:10:50.919 --> 00:10:55.159 stewardship as well too. I knew that the forest was 159 00:10:55.200 --> 00:10:59.000 something a place special. Right we were going into some 160 00:10:59.080 --> 00:11:02.240 other territory. And I look back on it now and 161 00:11:02.279 --> 00:11:05.399 the places where I used to catch frogs and I 162 00:11:05.440 --> 00:11:07.519 would have my little Bigfoot club with some of the 163 00:11:07.519 --> 00:11:10.559 neighborhood kids where we would go look for footprints and such. 164 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:15.080 Those places have all been bulldozed over. Right where we 165 00:11:15.080 --> 00:11:17.840 were going into the fields, there's now a walmart, and 166 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:20.240 you know where we were thinking that we were getting 167 00:11:20.279 --> 00:11:24.399 close to Bigfoot. Those are all now housing complexes. So 168 00:11:24.919 --> 00:11:28.080 a part of me, because I was raised in the 169 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:31.480 woods and really had an affinity towards all the creatures 170 00:11:31.480 --> 00:11:33.960 that live there. That kind of love that I have 171 00:11:34.120 --> 00:11:36.600 for the woods wants me to see that the wild 172 00:11:36.639 --> 00:11:42.320 places continue, and Bigfoot is the poster child for wild places. 173 00:11:42.919 --> 00:11:45.960 And we need Bigfoot in our lives because whether we 174 00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:50.600 were investigators or whether we're you know, whatever part of 175 00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:54.360 life that you happen to find yourself in. Bigfoot represents 176 00:11:55.240 --> 00:11:58.120 the unknowable right. It's a part of us. It's a 177 00:11:58.120 --> 00:12:01.799 part of our humanity that might never be fully answered, 178 00:12:02.200 --> 00:12:04.639 and that puts us in our place that gives us 179 00:12:04.679 --> 00:12:07.799 a whole different perspective because we think that we know everything. 180 00:12:08.960 --> 00:12:12.519 If the science has to name something, and then once 181 00:12:12.559 --> 00:12:15.879 it's named, then we can study it. Because Bigfoot's never 182 00:12:15.919 --> 00:12:18.879 been categorized, he's never been put down on a table 183 00:12:19.279 --> 00:12:22.639 and eviscerated, none of the stuff has happened, so he's 184 00:12:22.679 --> 00:12:28.200 still part of that unknown. He represents what mainstream science 185 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:32.399 cannot comprehend, and we need that because that makes us 186 00:12:32.600 --> 00:12:34.679 much more human. We don't want to be around thinking 187 00:12:34.679 --> 00:12:37.039 that we know everything right, we still need a little 188 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:40.879 bit of mystery out there, because with mystery we ask questions, 189 00:12:41.240 --> 00:12:44.559 we start developing all kinds of hypotheses, and then we 190 00:12:44.679 --> 00:12:49.840 find ourselves in a world much more wonderful than before 191 00:12:50.039 --> 00:12:53.720 we started on this quest for the unexplained and mysterious, right. 192 00:12:53.879 --> 00:12:58.120 Exactly, So you found Bigfoot more of an impact on 193 00:12:58.159 --> 00:12:59.200 your life than say. 194 00:13:00.879 --> 00:13:03.480 Yeah, I think so it's simply because I could go 195 00:13:03.559 --> 00:13:06.879 out and look for Bigfoot where I was at, right. Yeah, 196 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:10.159 I love me some NATSI though as well too. And 197 00:13:10.240 --> 00:13:12.879 whenever I was in college, I got to study in 198 00:13:12.879 --> 00:13:16.080 Scotland for a very brief period of time, and I 199 00:13:16.120 --> 00:13:18.559 remember again, I remember going to Loch Nets and just 200 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:24.320 being overwhelmed. The place is stunningly beautiful, and the water 201 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:28.399 of the lock it does look like it's alive. It undulates, 202 00:13:28.399 --> 00:13:31.679 and there's a very serpentine pattern. So even if there 203 00:13:31.759 --> 00:13:34.399 is no flesh and blood animal in there, I can 204 00:13:34.480 --> 00:13:38.320 see where the mythology came about. You know, if you're 205 00:13:38.399 --> 00:13:42.320 living in a pre industrialized, pre scientific world, the whole 206 00:13:42.399 --> 00:13:44.600 lake seems to be alive, and it seems to be 207 00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:48.879 very you know, surfenting, very reptilian like, just the way 208 00:13:48.879 --> 00:13:51.960 that it moves, so I can understand why that mystery 209 00:13:52.039 --> 00:13:54.639 is there, and it's so incredibly deep as well. But 210 00:13:54.759 --> 00:13:57.360 because I came from the place that I did in 211 00:13:57.440 --> 00:14:00.840 rural western Pennsylvania, I still have love for the abdominal 212 00:14:00.879 --> 00:14:03.879 snow or the abominal snowman, and still love for Nessy 213 00:14:03.919 --> 00:14:06.440 and all these great things. But Bigfoot is always going 214 00:14:06.519 --> 00:14:09.519 to be my first really true love because that's the 215 00:14:09.559 --> 00:14:13.240 one that got my got my teeth out a little bit, right, 216 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:15.960 That's where I kind of gnawed on the bone of 217 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:19.559 the cryptozoological and that's what keeps me going even to this. 218 00:14:19.559 --> 00:14:22.399 Day, almost like I just reach out and touch it, 219 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:26.679 you don't, you know, you want to it's there, You're 220 00:14:26.759 --> 00:14:29.039 hoping it's there. You want to research that it's there, 221 00:14:29.159 --> 00:14:31.799 to find something and just keep you going. 222 00:14:32.879 --> 00:14:36.360 That is a perfect point, And let me just piggyback 223 00:14:36.440 --> 00:14:38.200 on that for just a brief period of time. So 224 00:14:38.960 --> 00:14:41.919 I loved Bigfoot, you know, as a kid, up until 225 00:14:41.919 --> 00:14:43.840 the time I was in high school. And then I 226 00:14:43.879 --> 00:14:47.120 went to high school, and I found out very quickly 227 00:14:47.559 --> 00:14:51.799 that high school girls didn't find guys that liked Bigfoot 228 00:14:51.960 --> 00:14:55.039 very interesting. Back to I find it hard to believe myself. 229 00:14:55.120 --> 00:14:57.759 I even saying this, I can't even believe the words 230 00:14:57.759 --> 00:14:58.840 that are coming out of my mouth. 231 00:14:59.120 --> 00:15:04.039 So I, yeah, that changed more modern female love. 232 00:15:04.240 --> 00:15:07.879 Now that's right back in the day. Back in the day, 233 00:15:07.919 --> 00:15:10.240 that was the case. And so I kind of put 234 00:15:10.279 --> 00:15:12.639 them on the back burner for four years. And then 235 00:15:12.919 --> 00:15:18.159 I went to college and I really enjoyed anthropology, archaeology. 236 00:15:18.200 --> 00:15:22.799 I have a my my bachelor's degree is in literature, uh, 237 00:15:22.840 --> 00:15:26.279 and then I have a minor and religion religious studies 238 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:31.519 in history. But it was always the fascination of reading 239 00:15:31.559 --> 00:15:35.159 people's words and investigating right. So I was taking out 240 00:15:35.159 --> 00:15:39.440 an anthropology class and we were reading uh, you know, 241 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:43.240 anthropology won on one book whatever. And there wasn't actually 242 00:15:43.279 --> 00:15:45.399 an article in this book. Now, remember this book was 243 00:15:45.440 --> 00:15:49.159 written by professors. This isn't something you buy off of 244 00:15:49.759 --> 00:15:52.720 Amazon for ten bucks by you know, some some some 245 00:15:53.200 --> 00:15:55.440 Larry and Joe that wrote this thing up right. This 246 00:15:55.600 --> 00:15:57.720 was a real book that I paid something like, you know, 247 00:15:57.879 --> 00:16:01.039 ninety dollars for a bookstore. And there was a chapter 248 00:16:01.159 --> 00:16:07.039 in there about the possibility of certain legends actually relating 249 00:16:07.120 --> 00:16:14.200 to historical facts. And the one chapter related about the Gigantopithecus, 250 00:16:14.480 --> 00:16:18.360 and the people that wrote the book suggested that there 251 00:16:18.440 --> 00:16:23.679 may have been a remnant population of Gigantipithecus that existed 252 00:16:23.840 --> 00:16:27.480 up into a time whenever it could become folklore. Right, 253 00:16:27.799 --> 00:16:30.279 and then that is what's spurred upon the idea of 254 00:16:30.360 --> 00:16:33.279 the abominable snowman and the YearIn and all this other 255 00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:36.440 kind of stuff. So again, like you said, you could 256 00:16:36.440 --> 00:16:39.159 reach out and touch it. Right, I'm now reading in 257 00:16:39.200 --> 00:16:42.919 a college book something that had thrilled me ever since 258 00:16:42.960 --> 00:16:45.159 I was a kid, and now it took a whole 259 00:16:45.200 --> 00:16:47.840 new perspective on Now we can talk about this in 260 00:16:47.879 --> 00:16:51.440 an academic setting, right. And I'm sitting at my desk, 261 00:16:51.879 --> 00:16:55.000 and it was almost as if Bigfoot himself walked in 262 00:16:55.039 --> 00:16:58.320 the room and took a seat beside me and said, now, 263 00:16:58.360 --> 00:16:59.159 what do you do with me? 264 00:16:59.279 --> 00:16:59.360 Right? 265 00:16:59.399 --> 00:17:01.879 Because what we do with them? Now we're out in 266 00:17:01.919 --> 00:17:04.799 the woods, We're banging on trees, we're looking for footprints. 267 00:17:05.480 --> 00:17:08.119 But now at this one junk, you know, there's one 268 00:17:08.119 --> 00:17:11.240 point in my mind where I'm paying thousands of dollars 269 00:17:11.319 --> 00:17:15.480 to attend school. Now there is a true academic question 270 00:17:15.559 --> 00:17:20.359 that arose. Is is it possible that bigfoot could be 271 00:17:20.359 --> 00:17:24.119 related related to the gigantiificas. And it only took that 272 00:17:24.240 --> 00:17:30.319 one sentence to kind of inspire me to keep on going. 273 00:17:30.400 --> 00:17:30.559 Right. 274 00:17:31.200 --> 00:17:37.319 Cryptozoology, the hunt of the paranormal, the quest for unknown 275 00:17:37.359 --> 00:17:42.519 animals should be college related. It should not be something 276 00:17:42.519 --> 00:17:47.240 that's whispered and something that is marginalized. There is real 277 00:17:47.319 --> 00:17:50.440 science being done out there by very very good people. 278 00:17:51.119 --> 00:17:53.319 And I think that if we would all come together 279 00:17:53.440 --> 00:17:56.480 on this, you know, academia and the boots on the 280 00:17:56.519 --> 00:18:00.359 ground researchers and the writers and everybody else, once we 281 00:18:00.400 --> 00:18:04.559 look at this as a legitimate subject to study, then 282 00:18:04.680 --> 00:18:07.839 maybe we will start getting closer to some sort of 283 00:18:07.880 --> 00:18:08.799 definitive answer. 284 00:18:08.920 --> 00:18:09.079 Right. 285 00:18:09.759 --> 00:18:12.680 And that's my really my goal as a researcher. And 286 00:18:12.759 --> 00:18:16.359 I love doing conferences and I love appearing at you know, 287 00:18:16.680 --> 00:18:20.200 outside events under tents and all this stuff. But wouldn't 288 00:18:20.200 --> 00:18:23.319 it be fantastic if a university opens in South Office 289 00:18:23.640 --> 00:18:26.240 and says we're gonna have investigators, and we're gonna have professors, 290 00:18:26.440 --> 00:18:28.440 We're gonna have people from all walks of life and 291 00:18:28.480 --> 00:18:33.640 all disciplines to come together to have a discussion about 292 00:18:33.680 --> 00:18:35.160 something that is called big foot. 293 00:18:35.319 --> 00:18:37.440 I would love to see that happen. You know, I've 294 00:18:37.440 --> 00:18:41.680 always wondered, why correct me if I'm wrong, But there 295 00:18:41.680 --> 00:18:44.440 are universities and stuff out there that actually opened up 296 00:18:44.480 --> 00:18:47.920 branches to the paranormal study. Why have they not done 297 00:18:47.960 --> 00:18:51.000 that in the crypti aspect. I've always wondered about that. 298 00:18:51.079 --> 00:18:53.440 Well, right, well for three years ago, real quick, I'll 299 00:18:53.480 --> 00:18:56.319 make mention that three years ago. It's been about three 300 00:18:56.400 --> 00:19:00.000 years ago. Yeah, JMU, which is one of the biggest, 301 00:19:00.319 --> 00:19:02.720 one of the big universities here in Virginia, actually brought 302 00:19:02.799 --> 00:19:05.960 me into actually did a presentation there, which I thought 303 00:19:05.960 --> 00:19:08.200 it was pretty cool. I mean, it wasn't a big 304 00:19:08.279 --> 00:19:12.160 giant classroom, but you know, you know, but the people 305 00:19:12.200 --> 00:19:15.319 that were there, I was surprised after I got I 306 00:19:15.359 --> 00:19:18.599 did my presentation, there was people that stayed behind that 307 00:19:19.519 --> 00:19:22.519 they claimed to be skeptical that this is They really 308 00:19:22.519 --> 00:19:25.680 appreciated the way I presented or brought things because they 309 00:19:25.799 --> 00:19:28.839 got them really thinking beyond the point of the way 310 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:31.000 with the way they were thinking to begin with. 311 00:19:31.680 --> 00:19:33.640 Right, Yeah, I mean, so I thought that was pretty cool. 312 00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:35.759 I felt like, Okay, I must have done something right. 313 00:19:35.680 --> 00:19:36.119 Here, you know. 314 00:19:36.680 --> 00:19:37.920 That's yeah. 315 00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:40.440 I wasn't trying to convince them of anything I brought up, 316 00:19:41.079 --> 00:19:44.960 you know, like when I do my presentations and not intentionally, 317 00:19:44.960 --> 00:19:49.880 but I'm I'm presenting something that's to a skeptic and 318 00:19:49.920 --> 00:19:53.119 also non believers. I want them to know, you know, 319 00:19:53.519 --> 00:19:56.359 what I know, but also things that they're not thinking about, 320 00:19:56.400 --> 00:19:58.440 you know. I try to look bring things up around 321 00:19:58.559 --> 00:20:01.279 in a randomout way also, so you know, without trying 322 00:20:01.319 --> 00:20:04.680 to be sneaking about it. You know, I'm very I 323 00:20:04.680 --> 00:20:06.319 don't know the right word for you at the moment, 324 00:20:06.400 --> 00:20:09.200 but yeah, I just want them to think about what 325 00:20:09.279 --> 00:20:11.119 they really think about, you know, right. 326 00:20:11.359 --> 00:20:14.759 We use that it's very cliche now, thinking outside of 327 00:20:14.759 --> 00:20:17.920 the box, but that's a necessary term in this field 328 00:20:18.279 --> 00:20:20.799 because you can read so much and you can listen 329 00:20:20.799 --> 00:20:24.559 to what people have to say mainstream wise. But if 330 00:20:24.559 --> 00:20:28.119 you're really going to kind of circumvent this mystery that 331 00:20:28.160 --> 00:20:31.880 we're investigating and we want to see different perspectives, we 332 00:20:32.039 --> 00:20:36.720 necessarily have to go a route that is not considered 333 00:20:37.160 --> 00:20:40.480 legitimate right where we have to go and find our 334 00:20:40.519 --> 00:20:43.920 answers outside of the university. And my whole idea is 335 00:20:44.279 --> 00:20:46.519 we should be able to look inward to the university 336 00:20:46.559 --> 00:20:49.880 because people should be out there asking these questions as well. 337 00:20:50.279 --> 00:20:53.400 So say say, say that Bigfoot is not a flesh 338 00:20:53.400 --> 00:20:55.960 and blood entity, right, say that it is something that's 339 00:20:56.000 --> 00:20:59.400 folks for and it's it's from legends and it's a 340 00:20:59.400 --> 00:21:03.440 part of men. That doesn't mean that Bigfoot doesn't exist 341 00:21:03.480 --> 00:21:06.880 as a phenomenon, because it certainly does. You know, people 342 00:21:06.960 --> 00:21:10.240 buy Bigfoot pizzas all the time, and they buy Bigfoot 343 00:21:10.319 --> 00:21:15.599 and yetty snow shovels, Like the name is so out 344 00:21:15.599 --> 00:21:18.680 there and it's used to sell so many things that 345 00:21:18.799 --> 00:21:21.359 it's part of our culture, right, It's part of our 346 00:21:21.480 --> 00:21:24.559 vernacular now, and I think that that's worthy of study 347 00:21:24.599 --> 00:21:27.160 as well. I truly do. I mean, we have a 348 00:21:28.240 --> 00:21:31.559 hockey team named the New Jersey Devils, but it's not 349 00:21:31.880 --> 00:21:36.359 as you know, it's not as as just prevalent as 350 00:21:36.400 --> 00:21:40.160 the Bigfoot is. And but again, if we look between 351 00:21:40.200 --> 00:21:44.240 the look between the lines, well the Jersey Double was 352 00:21:44.240 --> 00:21:46.920 a great example. And there are other things out there 353 00:21:46.920 --> 00:21:49.720 as well too that have place names or have some 354 00:21:49.799 --> 00:21:53.759 sort of bearing in culture that relates to something that's hidden. 355 00:21:53.960 --> 00:21:55.640 Now let me see what that one is right there? 356 00:21:56.119 --> 00:21:58.279 Now, my file project is right, you talk about big 357 00:21:58.279 --> 00:22:00.599 for sales, I got my works for screen on. 358 00:22:00.720 --> 00:22:04.039 So you guys can't see it driving Jeep. 359 00:22:05.799 --> 00:22:07.920 Because I think, if I'm not mistaken, I think it's Jeap, 360 00:22:07.920 --> 00:22:10.079 but it might be the Bronco as well. Not sure, 361 00:22:10.359 --> 00:22:12.960 but you squatch off road package. 362 00:22:13.440 --> 00:22:16.240 Yeah, this one here is Explore the Great Outdoors, just 363 00:22:16.279 --> 00:22:17.480 bigfoot driving and jeep. 364 00:22:17.559 --> 00:22:18.119 It's a jeep. 365 00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:20.960 My father bought it from here. He brought it home early. 366 00:22:21.039 --> 00:22:23.200 It's it's a little tight on me because they only 367 00:22:23.200 --> 00:22:24.720 had one size, but he wanted to buy it from 368 00:22:24.759 --> 00:22:25.160 me anyway. 369 00:22:25.480 --> 00:22:29.559 That's awesome, all this marketing and stuff around big but 370 00:22:29.759 --> 00:22:31.759 I think that might be part of the issue too. 371 00:22:31.839 --> 00:22:35.240 That's the way the majority of the public looks at 372 00:22:35.400 --> 00:22:39.480 it for marketing, selling items, you know, so on and 373 00:22:39.519 --> 00:22:43.400 so forth. But when it gets down to the boots 374 00:22:43.440 --> 00:22:48.599 on the ground research, probably maybe zero zero zero zero 375 00:22:48.640 --> 00:22:51.279 point one percent actually get out there and try to 376 00:22:51.319 --> 00:22:53.039 make some sense of what's going on. 377 00:22:53.279 --> 00:22:56.480 Sure, sure, And that's that's another thing that I want 378 00:22:56.480 --> 00:22:58.640 to talk about as well too. And I'm sure all 379 00:22:58.720 --> 00:23:02.920 you find folks have running as well. So we're all 380 00:23:02.960 --> 00:23:06.359 in this together, right, We're all looking for some sort 381 00:23:06.359 --> 00:23:10.119 of mysterious bipedal hair covered creature, whether it's a remnant 382 00:23:10.200 --> 00:23:15.839 population of an extinct hominid, or whether it's something completely different, 383 00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:19.160 whatever it is, extracresterrial, interdimensional, whatever you want to talk about. 384 00:23:19.599 --> 00:23:23.160 But we're all looking for this creature. Yet this group 385 00:23:23.200 --> 00:23:26.680 that we call Bigfoot hunters the Bigfoot investigators are some 386 00:23:26.720 --> 00:23:28.680 of the roughest son of a bitches to be around, 387 00:23:28.720 --> 00:23:32.720 aren't they. I mean they. I've never been backstabbed so 388 00:23:32.960 --> 00:23:37.559 many times, or been humiliated, or had ideas stolen from 389 00:23:37.559 --> 00:23:40.880 me outright taken from me by these people that you 390 00:23:40.920 --> 00:23:43.440 would think that would be your friends, because we're all 391 00:23:43.839 --> 00:23:44.599 in this together. 392 00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:46.200 But that's not the way it is. 393 00:23:46.279 --> 00:23:50.039 Everybody's jocking for position, trying to take advantage of you. 394 00:23:50.720 --> 00:23:52.680 They'll be your friend for as long as they can 395 00:23:52.799 --> 00:23:55.000 use you, and after they use you, they're onto something 396 00:23:55.039 --> 00:23:56.279 different and they pretend like. 397 00:23:56.240 --> 00:23:56.960 They never knew you. 398 00:23:57.680 --> 00:23:59.599 That's got a change as well, too. 399 00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:01.599 Doesn't lie. 400 00:24:02.319 --> 00:24:03.960 I'm not talking about us, guys, I'm talking about you know, 401 00:24:04.039 --> 00:24:08.359