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Speaker 3: Let's get our guests in here. Guys, we got Ronald
Speaker 3: Murphy with us. Ronald, thank you for joining us tonight.
Speaker 2: How are you.
Speaker 6: Hey, it's my pleasure, Like I said, and the pre
Speaker 6: show he said, you know, we spoke a few times
Speaker 6: when I've never been on your show, so it's truly
Speaker 6: an honor to be here, and I'm looking forward to
Speaker 6: to getting in with you.
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely absolutely. You know, we we chatted a little
Speaker 3: bit earlier, briefly, got a few things, but I feel like,
Speaker 3: you know, after tonight, I feel like we're gonna have
Speaker 3: to bring you. I mean, I'm already what's the word,
Speaker 3: I'm already I forget the word look more. But after
Speaker 3: all this is said and done and we go through tonight,
Speaker 3: something telling me we need to bring you back already,
Speaker 3: I hope.
Speaker 6: So I don't want to disappoint you. So if you
Speaker 6: you'll like me enough, I'll be glad to come back
Speaker 6: on again.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. We always love a good guest, you know, and
Speaker 3: I'm already liking you, so.
Speaker 5: Come on, you won't come back anytime.
Speaker 6: I was admiring yours as well too from the green room.
Speaker 6: Very nice, very nice.
Speaker 3: Ah, I can put mine, but mine's in the cart.
Speaker 6: We need to get you a hot You do understand that, correct, Yeah,
Speaker 6: I understand that they don't take you seriously in this
Speaker 6: field unless you have a hat and a beard. If
Speaker 6: you have a hat and a beard both, then you
Speaker 6: are an unquestioned authority. There you go, perfect, perfect.
Speaker 5: I guess I could deal with it.
Speaker 2: Well, she can only borrow some of mine rhymes.
Speaker 6: I mean, that's right, that's right, I love it.
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Speaker 2: We're again. We're glad to have you here. Ron Ron.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna of course go go straight forward to you know,
Speaker 3: put you on the spot.
Speaker 2: I was wondering if you guys, if.
Speaker 4: You feel you know, if you're cool it was.
Speaker 3: Giving us a background, But what got you started in
Speaker 3: the whole Bigfoot and drypted world all together?
Speaker 6: Sure, you know, that's a great question because I see
Speaker 6: a lot of people on these podcasts and like, what
Speaker 6: the heck hapen in there?
Speaker 5: Because like, I.
Speaker 6: Don't think anybody's really boring into doing this, right, there
Speaker 6: has to be some sort of precedence sent in order
Speaker 6: to get us to where we are right now. And
Speaker 6: I grew up in rural western Pennsylvania, right at the
Speaker 6: foothills of the Chestnut Ridge, right so immediately I was
Speaker 6: brought into you know, that particular area, and my mother
Speaker 6: had a fascination with the unexplained, the paranormal, you know, UFOs, Bigfoot,
Speaker 6: all that kind of stuff. And I was a child
Speaker 6: of the nineteen seventies, and this was the perfect time
Speaker 6: for this curiosity to come about, right, This was the
Speaker 6: time of in search of and that's incredible, and all
Speaker 6: these great Bigfoot movies, the Legend of Boggy Creek, you know.
Speaker 6: So as a kid who had an interest in this stuff,
Speaker 6: I could see it all the time, and I remember
Speaker 6: going down to the library and whenever I tell people this,
Speaker 6: especially if there's anybody younger here, they don't understand how
Speaker 6: libraries work.
Speaker 5: But as a kid, you know, we.
Speaker 6: Would have to go down to the library and go
Speaker 6: through a Dewey decimal system, Right, we'd have to go
Speaker 6: through a card file and then we would find the
Speaker 6: book and then we would have to go look for that.
Speaker 6: But so it was kind of like a Bigfoot hunt
Speaker 6: in and of itself. Right, you had some clues and
Speaker 6: you had to track down the evidence that you found
Speaker 6: what you were looking for. But our little library in
Speaker 6: Blairsville was very well stocked with great bigfoot books, you know,
Speaker 6: Ivan Sanderson and Who Woman's and all this great stuff.
Speaker 6: I was able to read as a kid, and my
Speaker 6: mother and I we would listen to the radio. Before podcasts,
Speaker 6: they also had radio at the time. So once a
Speaker 6: month on Katie Ka out of Pittsburgh, Stan Gordon would
Speaker 6: come on. Now Stan Gordon is like the grandfather of
Speaker 6: the unexplained here in western Pennsylvania, and he would come
Speaker 6: on and he would give updates on strange things that happen,
Speaker 6: UFO sightings, people finding Bigfoot tracks, all this great stuff.
Speaker 6: And my mom and I went listening to stories and
Speaker 6: then the next day we would go out and do
Speaker 6: our own investigation into the areas that Stan was talking
Speaker 6: about on the radio. Now, we never found anything, but
Speaker 6: it was a great bonding experience to have with my mother,
Speaker 6: and it's something that I take with me now. I mean,
Speaker 6: I have five children. They've all went on you know,
Speaker 6: expeditions with me as well too, because what developed since
Speaker 6: I was a child, Even though I've never seen a bigfoot, right,
Speaker 6: I've had a lot of anecdotal things happen. I've found tracks,
Speaker 6: I've heard some vocalizations, but I've never saw the creature
Speaker 6: that we call bigfoot visually. But what keeps me going
Speaker 6: is whenever I was a kid, I had a reverence
Speaker 6: for the forest and I had a bit of a
Speaker 6: stewardship as well too. I knew that the forest was
Speaker 6: something a place special. Right we were going into some
Speaker 6: other territory. And I look back on it now and
Speaker 6: the places where I used to catch frogs and I
Speaker 6: would have my little Bigfoot club with some of the
Speaker 6: neighborhood kids where we would go look for footprints and such.
Speaker 6: Those places have all been bulldozed over. Right where we
Speaker 6: were going into the fields, there's now a walmart, and
Speaker 6: you know where we were thinking that we were getting
Speaker 6: close to Bigfoot. Those are all now housing complexes. So
Speaker 6: a part of me, because I was raised in the
Speaker 6: woods and really had an affinity towards all the creatures
Speaker 6: that live there. That kind of love that I have
Speaker 6: for the woods wants me to see that the wild
Speaker 6: places continue, and Bigfoot is the poster child for wild places.
Speaker 6: And we need Bigfoot in our lives because whether we
Speaker 6: were investigators or whether we're you know, whatever part of
Speaker 6: life that you happen to find yourself in. Bigfoot represents
Speaker 6: the unknowable right. It's a part of us. It's a
Speaker 6: part of our humanity that might never be fully answered,
Speaker 6: and that puts us in our place that gives us
Speaker 6: a whole different perspective because we think that we know everything.
Speaker 6: If the science has to name something, and then once
Speaker 6: it's named, then we can study it. Because Bigfoot's never
Speaker 6: been categorized, he's never been put down on a table
Speaker 6: and eviscerated, none of the stuff has happened, so he's
Speaker 6: still part of that unknown. He represents what mainstream science
Speaker 6: cannot comprehend, and we need that because that makes us
Speaker 6: much more human. We don't want to be around thinking
Speaker 6: that we know everything right, we still need a little
Speaker 6: bit of mystery out there, because with mystery we ask questions,
Speaker 6: we start developing all kinds of hypotheses, and then we
Speaker 6: find ourselves in a world much more wonderful than before
Speaker 6: we started on this quest for the unexplained and mysterious, right.
Speaker 5: Exactly, So you found Bigfoot more of an impact on
Speaker 5: your life than say.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think so it's simply because I could go
Speaker 6: out and look for Bigfoot where I was at, right. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I love me some NATSI though as well too. And
Speaker 6: whenever I was in college, I got to study in
Speaker 6: Scotland for a very brief period of time, and I
Speaker 6: remember again, I remember going to Loch Nets and just
Speaker 6: being overwhelmed. The place is stunningly beautiful, and the water
Speaker 6: of the lock it does look like it's alive. It undulates,
Speaker 6: and there's a very serpentine pattern. So even if there
Speaker 6: is no flesh and blood animal in there, I can
Speaker 6: see where the mythology came about. You know, if you're
Speaker 6: living in a pre industrialized, pre scientific world, the whole
Speaker 6: lake seems to be alive, and it seems to be
Speaker 6: very you know, surfenting, very reptilian like, just the way
Speaker 6: that it moves, so I can understand why that mystery
Speaker 6: is there, and it's so incredibly deep as well. But
Speaker 6: because I came from the place that I did in
Speaker 6: rural western Pennsylvania, I still have love for the abdominal
Speaker 6: snow or the abominal snowman, and still love for Nessy
Speaker 6: and all these great things. But Bigfoot is always going
Speaker 6: to be my first really true love because that's the
Speaker 6: one that got my got my teeth out a little bit, right,
Speaker 6: That's where I kind of gnawed on the bone of
Speaker 6: the cryptozoological and that's what keeps me going even to this.
Speaker 5: Day, almost like I just reach out and touch it,
Speaker 5: you don't, you know, you want to it's there, You're
Speaker 5: hoping it's there. You want to research that it's there,
Speaker 5: to find something and just keep you going.
Speaker 6: That is a perfect point, And let me just piggyback
Speaker 6: on that for just a brief period of time. So
Speaker 6: I loved Bigfoot, you know, as a kid, up until
Speaker 6: the time I was in high school. And then I
Speaker 6: went to high school, and I found out very quickly
Speaker 6: that high school girls didn't find guys that liked Bigfoot
Speaker 6: very interesting. Back to I find it hard to believe myself.
Speaker 6: I even saying this, I can't even believe the words
Speaker 6: that are coming out of my mouth.
Speaker 2: So I, yeah, that changed more modern female love.
Speaker 6: Now that's right back in the day. Back in the day,
Speaker 6: that was the case. And so I kind of put
Speaker 6: them on the back burner for four years. And then
Speaker 6: I went to college and I really enjoyed anthropology, archaeology.
Speaker 6: I have a my my bachelor's degree is in literature, uh,
Speaker 6: and then I have a minor and religion religious studies
Speaker 6: in history. But it was always the fascination of reading
Speaker 6: people's words and investigating right. So I was taking out
Speaker 6: an anthropology class and we were reading uh, you know,
Speaker 6: anthropology won on one book whatever. And there wasn't actually
Speaker 6: an article in this book. Now, remember this book was
Speaker 6: written by professors. This isn't something you buy off of
Speaker 6: Amazon for ten bucks by you know, some some some
Speaker 6: Larry and Joe that wrote this thing up right. This
Speaker 6: was a real book that I paid something like, you know,
Speaker 6: ninety dollars for a bookstore. And there was a chapter
Speaker 6: in there about the possibility of certain legends actually relating
Speaker 6: to historical facts. And the one chapter related about the Gigantopithecus,
Speaker 6: and the people that wrote the book suggested that there
Speaker 6: may have been a remnant population of Gigantipithecus that existed
Speaker 6: up into a time whenever it could become folklore. Right,
Speaker 6: and then that is what's spurred upon the idea of
Speaker 6: the abominable snowman and the YearIn and all this other
Speaker 6: kind of stuff. So again, like you said, you could
Speaker 6: reach out and touch it. Right, I'm now reading in
Speaker 6: a college book something that had thrilled me ever since
Speaker 6: I was a kid, and now it took a whole
Speaker 6: new perspective on Now we can talk about this in
Speaker 6: an academic setting, right. And I'm sitting at my desk,
Speaker 6: and it was almost as if Bigfoot himself walked in
Speaker 6: the room and took a seat beside me and said, now,
Speaker 6: what do you do with me?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 6: Because what we do with them? Now we're out in
Speaker 6: the woods, We're banging on trees, we're looking for footprints.
Speaker 6: But now at this one junk, you know, there's one
Speaker 6: point in my mind where I'm paying thousands of dollars
Speaker 6: to attend school. Now there is a true academic question
Speaker 6: that arose. Is is it possible that bigfoot could be
Speaker 6: related related to the gigantiificas. And it only took that
Speaker 6: one sentence to kind of inspire me to keep on going.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 6: Cryptozoology, the hunt of the paranormal, the quest for unknown
Speaker 6: animals should be college related. It should not be something
Speaker 6: that's whispered and something that is marginalized. There is real
Speaker 6: science being done out there by very very good people.
Speaker 6: And I think that if we would all come together
Speaker 6: on this, you know, academia and the boots on the
Speaker 6: ground researchers and the writers and everybody else, once we
Speaker 6: look at this as a legitimate subject to study, then
Speaker 6: maybe we will start getting closer to some sort of
Speaker 6: definitive answer.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 6: And that's my really my goal as a researcher. And
Speaker 6: I love doing conferences and I love appearing at you know,
Speaker 6: outside events under tents and all this stuff. But wouldn't
Speaker 6: it be fantastic if a university opens in South Office
Speaker 6: and says we're gonna have investigators, and we're gonna have professors,
Speaker 6: We're gonna have people from all walks of life and
Speaker 6: all disciplines to come together to have a discussion about
Speaker 6: something that is called big foot.
Speaker 5: I would love to see that happen. You know, I've
Speaker 5: always wondered, why correct me if I'm wrong, But there
Speaker 5: are universities and stuff out there that actually opened up
Speaker 5: branches to the paranormal study. Why have they not done
Speaker 5: that in the crypti aspect. I've always wondered about that.
Speaker 3: Well, right, well for three years ago, real quick, I'll
Speaker 3: make mention that three years ago. It's been about three
Speaker 3: years ago. Yeah, JMU, which is one of the biggest,
Speaker 3: one of the big universities here in Virginia, actually brought
Speaker 3: me into actually did a presentation there, which I thought
Speaker 3: it was pretty cool. I mean, it wasn't a big
Speaker 3: giant classroom, but you know, you know, but the people
Speaker 3: that were there, I was surprised after I got I
Speaker 3: did my presentation, there was people that stayed behind that
Speaker 3: they claimed to be skeptical that this is They really
Speaker 3: appreciated the way I presented or brought things because they
Speaker 3: got them really thinking beyond the point of the way
Speaker 3: with the way they were thinking to begin with.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I mean, so I thought that was pretty cool.
Speaker 2: I felt like, Okay, I must have done something right.
Speaker 5: Here, you know.
Speaker 2: That's yeah.
Speaker 3: I wasn't trying to convince them of anything I brought up,
Speaker 3: you know, like when I do my presentations and not intentionally,
Speaker 3: but I'm I'm presenting something that's to a skeptic and
Speaker 3: also non believers. I want them to know, you know,
Speaker 3: what I know, but also things that they're not thinking about,
Speaker 3: you know. I try to look bring things up around
Speaker 3: in a randomout way also, so you know, without trying
Speaker 3: to be sneaking about it. You know, I'm very I
Speaker 3: don't know the right word for you at the moment,
Speaker 3: but yeah, I just want them to think about what
Speaker 3: they really think about, you know, right.
Speaker 6: We use that it's very cliche now, thinking outside of
Speaker 6: the box, but that's a necessary term in this field
Speaker 6: because you can read so much and you can listen
Speaker 6: to what people have to say mainstream wise. But if
Speaker 6: you're really going to kind of circumvent this mystery that
Speaker 6: we're investigating and we want to see different perspectives, we
Speaker 6: necessarily have to go a route that is not considered
Speaker 6: legitimate right where we have to go and find our
Speaker 6: answers outside of the university. And my whole idea is
Speaker 6: we should be able to look inward to the university
Speaker 6: because people should be out there asking these questions as well.
Speaker 6: So say say, say that Bigfoot is not a flesh
Speaker 6: and blood entity, right, say that it is something that's
Speaker 6: folks for and it's it's from legends and it's a
Speaker 6: part of men. That doesn't mean that Bigfoot doesn't exist
Speaker 6: as a phenomenon, because it certainly does. You know, people
Speaker 6: buy Bigfoot pizzas all the time, and they buy Bigfoot
Speaker 6: and yetty snow shovels, Like the name is so out
Speaker 6: there and it's used to sell so many things that
Speaker 6: it's part of our culture, right, It's part of our
Speaker 6: vernacular now, and I think that that's worthy of study
Speaker 6: as well. I truly do. I mean, we have a
Speaker 6: hockey team named the New Jersey Devils, but it's not
Speaker 6: as you know, it's not as as just prevalent as
Speaker 6: the Bigfoot is. And but again, if we look between
Speaker 6: the look between the lines, well the Jersey Double was
Speaker 6: a great example. And there are other things out there
Speaker 6: as well too that have place names or have some
Speaker 6: sort of bearing in culture that relates to something that's hidden.
Speaker 6: Now let me see what that one is right there?
Speaker 3: Now, my file project is right, you talk about big
Speaker 3: for sales, I got my works for screen on.
Speaker 2: So you guys can't see it driving Jeep.
Speaker 6: Because I think, if I'm not mistaken, I think it's Jeap,
Speaker 6: but it might be the Bronco as well. Not sure,
Speaker 6: but you squatch off road package.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this one here is Explore the Great Outdoors, just
Speaker 3: bigfoot driving and jeep.
Speaker 4: It's a jeep.
Speaker 2: My father bought it from here. He brought it home early.
Speaker 3: It's it's a little tight on me because they only
Speaker 3: had one size, but he wanted to buy it from
Speaker 3: me anyway.
Speaker 5: That's awesome, all this marketing and stuff around big but
Speaker 5: I think that might be part of the issue too.
Speaker 5: That's the way the majority of the public looks at
Speaker 5: it for marketing, selling items, you know, so on and
Speaker 5: so forth. But when it gets down to the boots
Speaker 5: on the ground research, probably maybe zero zero zero zero
Speaker 5: point one percent actually get out there and try to
Speaker 5: make some sense of what's going on.
Speaker 6: Sure, sure, And that's that's another thing that I want
Speaker 6: to talk about as well too. And I'm sure all
Speaker 6: you find folks have running as well. So we're all
Speaker 6: in this together, right, We're all looking for some sort
Speaker 6: of mysterious bipedal hair covered creature, whether it's a remnant
Speaker 6: population of an extinct hominid, or whether it's something completely different,
Speaker 6: whatever it is, extracresterrial, interdimensional, whatever you want to talk about.
Speaker 6: But we're all looking for this creature. Yet this group
Speaker 6: that we call Bigfoot hunters the Bigfoot investigators are some
Speaker 6: of the roughest son of a bitches to be around,
Speaker 6: aren't they. I mean they. I've never been backstabbed so
Speaker 6: many times, or been humiliated, or had ideas stolen from
Speaker 6: me outright taken from me by these people that you
Speaker 6: would think that would be your friends, because we're all
Speaker 6: in this together.
Speaker 5: But that's not the way it is.
Speaker 6: Everybody's jocking for position, trying to take advantage of you.
Speaker 6: They'll be your friend for as long as they can
Speaker 6: use you, and after they use you, they're onto something
Speaker 6: different and they pretend like.
Speaker 5: They never knew you.
Speaker 6: That's got a change as well, too.
Speaker 2: Doesn't lie.
Speaker 6: I'm not talking about us, guys, I'm talking about you know,
Speaker 6: the other people. But they're giving the Bigfoot community such
Speaker 6: a bad name that legitimate investigators say, Oh, those bunch
Speaker 6: of Clauds over there. Nobody wants to deal with that,
Speaker 6: you know. But I've I've lost people that I thought
Speaker 6: were my dear friends, and you know, it brings tears
Speaker 6: to your eyes. I'm an adult man, and we're going
Speaker 6: out there together into the woods looking for something strange
Speaker 6: and hidden, and then all of a sudden I found out, Well,
Speaker 6: they didn't want to be my friend anyways. They were
Speaker 6: just looking for you know, information, And that is so
Speaker 6: ridiculous to think that we're doing that to each other nowadays.
Speaker 5: It's like they make a transition. They're looking more for
Speaker 5: status than they are. They're pulling away from after research.
Speaker 5: In my opinion, yeah, you've hit aspect that when you
Speaker 5: get the infind we can't operate that way right right
Speaker 5: if that's why we keep what we're doing. Daniel doesn't
Speaker 5: put it out there just for the general knowledge of public.
Speaker 5: You know where we're at and locations where we're doing
Speaker 5: the research, because, as he says a lot, he just
Speaker 5: wants people out there either has a negative attitude or
Speaker 5: to come out there to try to mess up what
Speaker 5: you're doing. You got to have the same thought process.
Speaker 5: We have not seen Bigfoot yet. We've seen very little
Speaker 5: to indicate he might be out there, other than the
Speaker 5: normal structures, which can a lot of them. Could be
Speaker 5: disproving and so on and so forth. But it's just
Speaker 5: looking at the reality of what's going on. Come to
Speaker 5: a conclusion if it's real, if it's not, it could
Speaker 5: be made by whether people, so on and so forth.
Speaker 5: You've got to keep everything in perspective, be truthful about
Speaker 5: what you're doing. With the series of Daniels putting together
Speaker 5: with the group. We're a small group. It is what
Speaker 5: it is. You get what you get. You know, we
Speaker 5: don't have offensive equipment with everything we use by ourselves.
Speaker 5: We don't have a network out there following us around.
Speaker 5: I don't know if I want that anyway. Personally, I
Speaker 5: would have wanted that people expect all this fluff while
Speaker 5: you're out the researching. But you're not always going to
Speaker 5: get that because we're not out there for ratings. As
Speaker 5: far as that we show what we do, what we
Speaker 5: find and and try to explain it away and nine
Speaker 5: times out of ten and we're walking away. We don't know.
Speaker 6: Amen, brother, that's exactly what. And I can write books
Speaker 6: on the subject all the time and it never ends
Speaker 6: with the definitive conclusion. It never ends with a period.
Speaker 6: There's always going to be a question mark because we're
Speaker 6: not going to ever get to the ultimate answer until
Speaker 6: one of these things are are are captured or killed
Speaker 6: or whatever. But it still goes on though.
Speaker 5: That's the thing.
Speaker 6: There's still not one captured, there's still not one killed
Speaker 6: as far as we know. So the mystery still goes on.
Speaker 6: And that's what keeps us still going, isn't That's why
Speaker 6: we're still out there in the woods, because we're still.
Speaker 5: Looking they do. That's right, that's right. Speaking of mysteries
Speaker 5: that Daniel just mentioned, it's almost like we're at a
Speaker 5: crossroads now. We haven't looked been in the Bigfoot research
Speaker 5: most of my life because I spent I retired from
Speaker 5: the military of ninety eight. I retired for serious almost
Speaker 5: here in twenty eighteen, and now we have more time
Speaker 5: to get out there to do research. But we've always
Speaker 5: had the fascination of the paranormal to start with, and
Speaker 5: we've had things, man the less that happened growing up. Stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 5: some could be a figuring of your imagination. Some of
Speaker 5: it When more than one person experiences things at the
Speaker 5: same time, that's not a figure of your imagination. Okay.
Speaker 5: We grew up with that, and then we met Daniel
Speaker 5: about five years ago at the mall. He was runding
Speaker 5: riding a Tricyclenavi kading. He was at the mall, he
Speaker 5: had his display set up. We met him for the
Speaker 5: first time he and camping with him, told me what
Speaker 5: he was doing, and we got involved with him on
Speaker 5: the aspect of getting into the Bigfoot research because he
Speaker 5: told a little bit about the story that he had
Speaker 5: a few years before that. Five years now, the first
Speaker 5: two we camp in basically two areas. The first two
Speaker 5: areas was at at a place called air Corn Lake
Speaker 5: and now we're also doing Slate Lick Lake here in Virginia.
Speaker 5: The last three years we've been a slate click. I'm
Speaker 5: gonna make us quick. I want to get your viewpoint
Speaker 5: on this. The first couple of years it's pretty much
Speaker 5: normal camp out. We like the camp camaraderie, campfire, get out, research, daytime, nighttime,
Speaker 5: see what we come up with. But last year, for
Speaker 5: the first time, we started having things happen that's now
Speaker 5: putting us on a crossroads. And Daniel fills this too.
Speaker 5: We've always thought about the paranormal, but we never really
Speaker 5: tied it in the Bigfoot for SAE. But the last
Speaker 5: two campouts a week in May and the week of September.
Speaker 5: A week in May, we started having equipment failures, electronic
Speaker 5: equipment failures, Batteries to go dead, come back a lot,
Speaker 5: you know, come back up live. Equipment would turn on
Speaker 5: and off by itself. What is causing that? Uh, September
Speaker 5: we're camping again? Or was that maid.
Speaker 2: If you're talking about the light that was amazing it.
Speaker 5: Or been the light in the in the woods about
Speaker 5: maybe forty to forty five yards away from us, about
Speaker 5: that big a round, pure white. Didn't emanate any light
Speaker 5: around it like in the area, didn't throw a beam
Speaker 5: like a flashlight. And we were walking at that point
Speaker 5: with me and Daniel. We didn't have any lights on
Speaker 5: at the time, walking up the road. And I've seen
Speaker 5: it first but maybe two seconds and I told Daniel,
Speaker 5: there's a light over there. And he looked over there
Speaker 5: and it wasn't up in the sky, it wasn't up
Speaker 5: in the trees. It was down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looked like an eye level to us at
Speaker 2: a distance when.
Speaker 5: He got eyes on it. About two seconds after that
Speaker 5: it went out. Our thermals didn't pick up nothing turned on.
Speaker 5: The thermals and storing and so forth, real quick, we
Speaker 5: don't know. September before that, a woman from Pennsylvania thought
Speaker 5: she may have seen what was a bear cross in
Speaker 5: the road. She got describing it to us, running on
Speaker 5: two legs for about maybe thirty or forty yards before
Speaker 5: he disappeared down into the embankment, going down to the
Speaker 5: stream bed. Well, she got to explained it to us.
Speaker 5: I looked at her husband and Melissa said, that was
Speaker 5: so like a bird of meat. I mean, they don't
Speaker 5: run like that on two legs. That was in September.
Speaker 5: Maybe we had the light drew out there. He's seen
Speaker 5: a couple of entities in the field about twenty minutes
Speaker 5: before we've seen the light. He ran back to camp.
Speaker 5: They called us on the radio. We was heading back
Speaker 5: to camp. That's when we seen the light. September we
Speaker 5: start having electrical issues with radios because we need people
Speaker 5: a base camp in case somebody gets hurt, they need
Speaker 5: to drive a bicle to pick them up, and so
Speaker 5: on and so forth. But radios to start going dead
Speaker 5: come back up. Daniel had an incident one of his
Speaker 5: weekend campouts after that where his light was dead. He'll
Speaker 5: tell you about that. But quitmentturney. I let Melissa use
Speaker 5: my game camp one night and she came to me
Speaker 5: for the camp out.
Speaker 7: Action cam game came Action Can.
Speaker 5: It's not the Goal Pro with the Dji Action for
Speaker 5: it's on the same line as the Gold Pro. I
Speaker 5: think they're better and they don't have as many issues whatever.
Speaker 5: But she came to me. It just turned on by itself.
Speaker 5: I turned it off twenty minutes later or so it
Speaker 5: comes to me again walking into tent, I fixed a
Speaker 5: couple of conferences. It turned on again by so I
Speaker 5: can't explain why what's happened because that button you have
Speaker 5: to press in it's not an easy tap to turn
Speaker 5: it on. You got a pressody and the hope for
Speaker 5: about maybe half a second for that debate. After that,
Speaker 5: when I'm getting my equipment together before nightfalls, my empt
Speaker 5: three player about three foot from the table turns on
Speaker 5: by self. With all that said, with your research, have
Speaker 5: you compiled any information as to what may have been
Speaker 5: could be transpiring on these situations?
Speaker 6: Well, that is an amazing and assuite outlook on things
Speaker 6: that are day. As a researcher, I found out that
Speaker 6: a WATA piece people go on investigations with a pre
Speaker 6: formed schematic and idea what they're looking for, and if
Speaker 6: anything else happens beyond their formula, they throw it out right.
Speaker 6: So so if your lights are going off and on
Speaker 6: and you see your works, that doesn't relate to the
Speaker 6: Bigfoot they're looking for. So that all included, and uh
Speaker 6: as a researcher, I probably have twenty years worth of
Speaker 6: reports of people that have other things going on in
Speaker 6: Bigfoot related eyewitness accounts, but they don't bring it up
Speaker 6: because they don't want to be scoff that.
Speaker 5: They don't want to be a lout at it happened.
Speaker 5: I got no feelings to hurt. It happened. We all
Speaker 5: experience it. There someone that was on the camp at
Speaker 5: that time. We all and we were either together, experienced
Speaker 5: certain things base camp, we're out camping. It's not well, well,
Speaker 5: it's not your imagination. Happened. I mean, we tell what happened.
Speaker 2: People could take it for what they want, right real
Speaker 2: quick run.
Speaker 3: Let me add this in there on top of what
Speaker 3: David was sharing. Two years prior to this, I've spent
Speaker 3: a lot of research. I've spent a lot of time
Speaker 3: researching up in Pennsylvania myself, like I said, I stayed
Speaker 3: up there.
Speaker 2: I lived there for fourth period. But talk about the lights.
Speaker 3: First time I've ever experienced any strange lights in the
Speaker 3: woods took place up Forbes State Coors in the Bluehold
Speaker 3: Division first, and lights I've seen up there appeared, as
Speaker 3: I described the people, looked like a.
Speaker 2: Bunch of little flashing stars.
Speaker 5: This is in the.
Speaker 2: Between January and February.
Speaker 3: It was very cold up there, and these clusters of
Speaker 3: what looked like stars were blue. Some of them were
Speaker 3: a couple of little beds, a couple of little yellows.
Speaker 3: You know, something I never experienced before. I've always heard
Speaker 3: people talk about seeing strange lights of various sorts of
Speaker 3: the woods anywhere from Forbes or whatever you want to
Speaker 3: call them. I don't know what I was looking at.
Speaker 3: But the girl I was dating at the time, yeah,
Speaker 3: she was a Bigfoot believer. She ended up seeing him
Speaker 3: with me. She said, Oh, that's Bigfoot's energy he's putting
Speaker 3: off he's been put producing energy or whatever.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: I didn't dismiss that, but you know, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I couldn't really fall on point with that, because what
Speaker 3: proof do we have that that is Bigfoot? You know,
Speaker 3: and then a few months later and another location several
Speaker 3: miles away in Forbes State Forest, but at the Mount
Speaker 3: Davis division.
Speaker 4: We were up at Mount Davis.
Speaker 2: During our camp.
Speaker 3: I was with a different group of people and on
Speaker 3: the opposite away from Boy where were set up camp.
Speaker 3: I was looking across where we pulled in from. You
Speaker 3: got the forest road there and then across from the
Speaker 3: forest across from us. One evening, I think it was
Speaker 3: probably maybe the second night with Bear, so I'm looking
Speaker 3: over her in the woods. Said this is late at night.
Speaker 3: I said, what the heck am I looking at? There
Speaker 3: were these four different lights. Now some people say their
Speaker 3: oars maybe they were, but they weren't moving.
Speaker 4: There was four different.
Speaker 3: Lights and they were all the same color, like a blue,
Speaker 3: dimish looking light. Two of them were probably slightly bigger
Speaker 3: than maybe a softball. You know, they weren't in the
Speaker 3: street line. They were kind of like, you know, exact
Speaker 3: across and you know, I was looking at for a
Speaker 3: good while. Then I was like, I went and got
Speaker 3: the others and said, guys, there's some weird lights over
Speaker 3: here in the which they weren't there when I brought
Speaker 3: them back up there. But again Pennsylvania was the first
Speaker 3: time I've ever experienced any strange lights.
Speaker 4: And then here we are, you.
Speaker 2: Know, in Virginia seeing that one light.
Speaker 5: It's it's weird. And that's the first one I ever seen.
Speaker 5: I've seen an on TV and heard stories about this stuff.
Speaker 5: And then there's history and we're here in Rockingham County
Speaker 5: of people in the past reporting seeing balls of black
Speaker 5: going across fields and stuff. But I've never experienced anything
Speaker 5: like that. Right now, we're not going to jump down
Speaker 5: the rabbit hole with saying that light and the radio
Speaker 5: equipment and stuff like that was all Bigfoot related. We can't.
Speaker 5: We don't know right now. The questions that arise what
Speaker 5: is causing this activity all of a sudden, We've been
Speaker 5: there for three years. This past year, both campouts, we
Speaker 5: started having these strange things happened. Answer more questions.
Speaker 7: This location.
Speaker 8: There are no power lines, there's no lecture, there's no
Speaker 8: water hookups anything like that.
Speaker 7: I mean, you can pitch a can and that's about it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you take in what you use to take it
Speaker 5: out when you leave it. It's all primitive.
Speaker 7: Running water is a stream behind you.
Speaker 6: Sure, sure, so listen, recount your stories. I actually got
Speaker 6: goosebumps because two years ago I had something happened to
Speaker 6: me and other investigators that I cannot explain, and it
Speaker 6: led me to write a book called Lights in the
Speaker 6: midst which was published by Small Time Monsters. Oh yeah,
Speaker 6: small Time Monsters was doing a big foot program about
Speaker 6: strange events up in the Chestnut Ridge and then we
Speaker 6: were probably maybe thirty miles more year were talking about
Speaker 6: we're in that area and we were on a Bigfoot hunt.
Speaker 6: The title of the program was called Sasquatched on Earth
Speaker 6: the Ridge. You can find them for free on YouTube.
Speaker 6: This is one of those rare moments where we could
Speaker 6: talk about these things, but it was actually filmed as well.
Speaker 6: So I urge anybody to take a look at them.
Speaker 2: Mutile. They do a good job.
Speaker 4: What they do, all they.
Speaker 6: Do all absolutely absolutely they're good people. So we were
Speaker 6: on a bigfoot investigation and we were doing everything that
Speaker 6: people usually do whenever you're filming, right, We did the whoops,
Speaker 6: we did the sound blast, we did the knocking on trees,
Speaker 6: because nobody is going to set through an hour program
Speaker 6: with nothing happening, right, That's the way at aament works nowadays.
Speaker 6: So we were giving everybody you know what people usually do,
Speaker 6: usually don't do one of these kind of expeditions. So,
Speaker 6: but nothing was happening, right. We started to hear something faintly,
Speaker 6: maybe maybe a vocalization, a very slow, very shallow. I
Speaker 6: guess you could call it a moan. You know, nothing
Speaker 6: to say definitively, that's a big foot. But we were
Speaker 6: experiencing something shortly after that that that that vocalization, that moan,
Speaker 6: whatever it was, we start hearing I don't know if
Speaker 6: you folks ever heard of this before. We start hearing
Speaker 6: a sound in the environment. We start hearing what sounds
Speaker 6: like wind chimes. About two or three days, just ding
Speaker 6: ding ding like that. Never heard anything like this. Again.
Speaker 6: We were out in the middle of nowhere. There's no
Speaker 6: houses around for miles, no ambient light whatsoever. We are
Speaker 6: in very pronal the situation, far from anybody, and so
Speaker 6: we hear this sound like I've never heard this before,
Speaker 6: and the equipment does start malfunctioning. So the investigation is
Speaker 6: still continuing. I know they have like a base camp
Speaker 6: situated and there's three different groups out in the field
Speaker 6: and me and this gentleman by the name of josh
Speaker 6: Or we were back at Grace Base camp and we
Speaker 6: see the three very dimly blue lights moving through the forest.
Speaker 6: It looked like people have their cell phones out, and
Speaker 6: actually there was even a cadence to them because they
Speaker 6: were bouncing and undulating as they were going. So we
Speaker 6: just assume it was, you know, other people from our
Speaker 6: group until the lights and three lights they didn't make
Speaker 6: they didn't miss stride. They kept on going up into
Speaker 6: the trees until they were about twenty foot off throughout.
Speaker 6: So we immediately called and say, hey, there is some
Speaker 6: strange light and on when is going on? And the
Speaker 6: people that were far away from each other, sometimes almost
Speaker 6: a mile apart from each other, they were seeing the
Speaker 6: same things. So whatever these lights were, they were coming
Speaker 6: to us to the only thing that I can say
Speaker 6: is they came to us to kind of evaluate why
Speaker 6: we were there. Okay, if this was at a haunted location,
Speaker 6: you would say ORBS right immediately, ORBS, or if we
Speaker 6: were investigating UFOs, we would say we were having some
Speaker 6: sort of a UAP contact, or if you were even
Speaker 6: at a religious site, you would say, this is some
Speaker 6: sort of religious experience. But what we were witnessing was
Speaker 6: simply this. We heard three tones in the environment, and
Speaker 6: after we hear these three tones, these lights start appearing,
Speaker 6: and normally do they start appearing, but they start, like
Speaker 6: they said, start almost interacting with us. Some of them
Speaker 6: are the size of a pin light, like you had said,
Speaker 6: like a firefly, but some of them were also the
Speaker 6: size of a basketball. One of the researchers that we
Speaker 6: were with, this one orb, an orange colored orb about
Speaker 6: the size of a basketball, approached him and came within
Speaker 6: reaching distance, and he said he was afraid to reach
Speaker 6: for it, but he didn't reach for it, and then
Speaker 6: the thing that's vanished. But what's interesting about this is
Speaker 6: a couple days after he witnessed that particular orb, his
Speaker 6: cornea and retna erupted, so he actually had to go
Speaker 6: to a doctor, and the doctor could not explain what happened.
Speaker 6: And the only sense that he can make is he
Speaker 6: came in contact with this light and somehow that affected him,
Speaker 6: you know, physically almost cut that happens in the UFO.
Speaker 5: Tells all the time.
Speaker 6: So I was so really shocked by what I saw
Speaker 6: because nobody ever talks about this stuff. People do see them,
Speaker 6: like you said there, David, People do see them, but
Speaker 6: not a lot of people talk about them. So I
Speaker 6: decided I was going to write a book and try
Speaker 6: to make sense of this. And when we look around
Speaker 6: the world, these lights appear in so many different situations,
Speaker 6: situations involving dragon lights in places like Vietnam or in Australia.
Speaker 6: They appear almost as as a conduit between heaven and earth.
Speaker 6: And if you all kinds of religions from the around
Speaker 6: the world, you know you have and the Hindu religion,
Speaker 6: you have the praduct, which is this light that kind
Speaker 6: of irons us all. So the idea that there are sentient,
Speaker 6: intelligent lights out there is really rain in our humanity.
Speaker 6: Now I am trying to take this a step further
Speaker 6: because I was so impacted by this. I think this
Speaker 6: may be what kind of wrap survery thing up. And
Speaker 6: I'm not going to say that this is definitive or
Speaker 6: anything like that, but if these lights are able to
Speaker 6: project into our minds that we're seeing something that's not there.
Speaker 6: So in that for instance, instead of looking for a
Speaker 6: twelve foot tall bipedal hair cover creature, what happens if
Speaker 6: this creature is actually a manifestation of these lights themselves.
Speaker 6: And that's why we can't take any good pictures and
Speaker 6: why we have blurry pictures and all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 6: Is it possible these lights are responsible for the sightings
Speaker 6: that we're having, and, you know, to take this another
Speaker 6: step forward.
Speaker 5: Another thing that I wrote about.
Speaker 6: As well too, Is it possible that we're talking about
Speaker 6: something that derives from the fairy realm, the elemental realm,
Speaker 6: that there are these intelligences within the earth themselves and
Speaker 6: these lights are a representation of that. And a lot
Speaker 6: of people don't want to talk about this kind of stuff,
Speaker 6: but I'm glad you guys are open minded. Is it
Speaker 6: possible that Bigfoot that ultimate glory that we're looking for?
Speaker 6: Is it possible that it itself is from the fairy
Speaker 6: the land of the Fame?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 6: Is it possible that it is part of that nebulous
Speaker 6: ether that exists in this world that we come in
Speaker 6: contact with every now and then, and it simply is
Speaker 6: displaying itself as this creature because it wants they either
Speaker 6: remain you know, isolated or whatever.
Speaker 5: Maybe that's just the way it wants to communicate with us.
Speaker 6: It's something to think about, and I don't think that
Speaker 6: we should ever overlook this idea because so many people
Speaker 6: are seeing things people are seeing dog Man, people were
Speaker 6: seeing bigfoot, all in a very small area where these
Speaker 6: apex predators should not be overlapping. So is it possible
Speaker 6: that we're not doing with something that's actually tangible, but
Speaker 6: something that is coming out of the environment itself.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you mentioned hearing the what sounded like chimes, Just
Speaker 5: a quick question. I've seen now a couple of reports,
Speaker 5: and it's not something that's common. I don't presume that
Speaker 5: out in the middle of nowhere primitive areas reports of
Speaker 5: them hearing what sounds like a metal door closing.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, I've heard that as well too. And I was
Speaker 6: at a dog Man conference and Chad Lewis was talking
Speaker 6: about this particular thing, and he said a lot of
Speaker 6: people before they would have any kind of window go encounters,
Speaker 6: they hear this loud, metallic crash. Hey, this is something
Speaker 6: to think about because sound can carry information with it,
Speaker 6: you know, it can interact with us and make us
Speaker 6: feel a certain way. Infrasound, for instance, we talk about
Speaker 6: infrasound on the field, and we know that infrasound working
Speaker 6: against the human body can allow us to believe that
Speaker 6: something's out there that's not and make us think, you know,
Speaker 6: things are after us or whatever. We give us feelings
Speaker 6: of paranoria so we can throw this idea out, we
Speaker 6: cannot throw out that the environment is is throwing sound
Speaker 6: at us as well as information contained in light sources,
Speaker 6: and our brains are then translating this into whatever those
Speaker 6: sources want us to see.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I think a lot of it too is people
Speaker 5: don't want to be taken out of their normal. They
Speaker 5: don't want to think about stuff like that, they don't.
Speaker 7: Want to.
Speaker 5: Experience with it. We had an incident real quick that
Speaker 5: my dad took to his grade that me and him
Speaker 5: and my brother experience a night way back in the
Speaker 5: early sixties or late sixties rather, and it was a
Speaker 5: paranormal event. I remember. It's too long to explain, but
Speaker 5: we were all involved in it one evening along with
Speaker 5: her little dog we had and after that night was
Speaker 5: over with. Throughout my careers when we went back to
Speaker 5: Kentucky to visit, I'd ask him periodically, you remember that night,
Speaker 5: Remember that night? Remember I would talk about it, but
Speaker 5: Dad was I remember that. It's like he did not
Speaker 5: want to go down that path. Is he didn't be
Speaker 5: taken out of his norm to be with us out
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 6: Without a doubt, a lot of people, you know, if
Speaker 6: you think that there's a big foot out there or
Speaker 6: some sort of creature, you know, you can you know,
Speaker 6: carry a firearm, you know, but firearms aren't going to
Speaker 6: work against these lights, against the soulen. So it immediately
Speaker 6: throws us off balance. And what are we supposed to
Speaker 6: do with this at this point?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 6: I mean, we are looking for something that leaves behind
Speaker 6: twenty three instricks. What we're not finding that that people
Speaker 6: are encountering these lights that seem to be leading us
Speaker 6: into a direction that isn't quite flesh and blood the
Speaker 6: entire way.
Speaker 5: Throughout your history of research, real quick, I don't know
Speaker 5: how far back you went, as far as back to
Speaker 5: the Mayans or even further than that. A lot of
Speaker 5: it could be folklore, legends and stuff like that. You
Speaker 5: mentioned that a lot of truth is based on folklore
Speaker 5: and legends. Did you find any fascinating correlations to your
Speaker 5: research that just got you further into keep looking into
Speaker 5: all this stuff besides your fascination with big put.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, that's that's a good question, because whatever
Speaker 6: I research, I think, well, if these things are out there,
Speaker 6: now they had to be out there, you know, in
Speaker 6: anticular antiquity as well. They're not going to grow out
Speaker 6: of nothing. And whenever you start looking at Native American
Speaker 6: folk tales or First Nations mythologies, you see all from
Speaker 6: the very beginning, my friend, and a lot of this
Speaker 6: information was not so much suppressed but just kind of,
Speaker 6: you know, pushed out of existence because of colonialization and stuff.
Speaker 6: This was minor information that people didn't want to talk about.
Speaker 6: But if you look at some of the extent stories
Speaker 6: that exist from the Pacific Northwest, bigfoot is not seen
Speaker 6: inasmuch as a flush and blood animal as it is
Speaker 6: a spiritual animal. It's it's almost like a shawman that
Speaker 6: can straddle two worlds at once, and it comes to
Speaker 6: this world to give information and sometimes it comes to
Speaker 6: this into this world too, to take the souls of
Speaker 6: the deceased back to the other world. So it is
Speaker 6: a conduit between two worlds. And whenever we look at
Speaker 6: the Eastern philosophies, the yetti always has a religious connotation
Speaker 6: to it. Always it is more of a spirit animal
Speaker 6: than it ever will be a flesh and blood animal.
Speaker 6: And when we start looking at these ideas and thinking
Speaker 6: that the people that went before us, the people that
Speaker 6: actually were indigenous, these areas that lived in harmony with
Speaker 6: the world around them, right, this was these these back
Speaker 6: if we go back, you know, thousands of years, these
Speaker 6: aren't just stories. These are ways of staying alive and
Speaker 6: understanding how the world works around you. And whenever we
Speaker 6: go back, you know, into the into the ancient past,
Speaker 6: to the point where it's almost nothing more than archaeology.
Speaker 6: At this point, we're getting little glimpses of things. And
Speaker 6: at that point we see that people were in awe
Speaker 6: of what we call bigfoot or even you know, not
Speaker 6: so much extraterrestrials, but whenever lights appear in the sky
Speaker 6: or you know, creatures that look like dog men that
Speaker 6: we call dog men, or ghosts or anything, you can
Speaker 6: talk about anything, there's always a spiritual element there. And
Speaker 6: for so long people have been calling, you know, cryptosology
Speaker 6: is something different than the paranormal, and it really does
Speaker 6: need to be brought together. Like you said, they were
Speaker 6: at the arms of the show, because there is so
Speaker 6: much great area that we have to look at the
Speaker 6: broad overview of all this kind of stuff for any of.
Speaker 5: It, and you can't really come to conclusion of pinpoint
Speaker 5: what it is. All we could do is keep putting
Speaker 5: a foot forward and researching and try to try try
Speaker 5: to tie pieces together on that. But aliens and stuff
Speaker 5: like that. But then again, if you go down history
Speaker 5: of that and look at the cultures of people, which
Speaker 5: I'm sure you have to where they actually had names
Speaker 5: from called star people used to come visit so and
Speaker 5: so forth, I think there was a culture that actually
Speaker 5: named the Pleiades. Start from hieroglyphics and all that other stuff.
Speaker 5: So I mean, I find it fascinating. I mean, you
Speaker 5: don't get all this information from from different category, different
Speaker 5: areas and stuff, or to be pig of everybody's imagination.
Speaker 5: I cannot believe that that's what the imaginations over centuries
Speaker 5: and thousands of years, right.
Speaker 6: And the astec of the Maya, you know, going back
Speaker 6: you know, of course this isn't as ancient history as
Speaker 6: other parts of the world, but coming back two thousand
Speaker 6: years we know the ASTech of the Maya had a
Speaker 6: very complicated calendar system where they were able to start
Speaker 6: the charts charted the stars. But we could go back
Speaker 6: even to Stonehenge, you know, five six thousand years old
Speaker 6: and new Range in Ireland, which is the same. And
Speaker 6: not only are they charting celestial events like solstices and equinoxes,
Speaker 6: and also other other events eclipses for instance, and they
Speaker 6: memorialize it into the earth itself because it was important,
Speaker 6: not because it was separate from them, is because it
Speaker 6: connected them to the rest of the rest of the universe,
Speaker 6: rest of the creation. So a new range. Whenever you
Speaker 6: are burying they're dead there, we know that on October
Speaker 6: thirty first, that a light will go through a passage
Speaker 6: chamber there, and it would believe that the soul then
Speaker 6: would leave that chamber and reunite with the heavens themselves.
Speaker 6: Very very beautiful. But we keep on looking around the
Speaker 6: world and we see this again and again and again.
Speaker 6: The idea that they were able to chart stars and
Speaker 6: planets that were not visible to the naked eye, the
Speaker 6: idea that there was something out there in the world
Speaker 6: around them that represented the wild man or the uncivilized,
Speaker 6: so much so that it became an archetype. It became
Speaker 6: something that every human in the world understands on a
Speaker 6: very symbolic basis. And this stuff doesn't happen by chance,
Speaker 6: you know, we're not going to ever have these discussions
Speaker 6: about you know, Mickey Mouse. Nobody's gonna go out looking
Speaker 6: for Mickey Mouse one hundred years from now. But we're
Speaker 6: still looking for Bigfoot and that shouldn't happen. And the
Speaker 6: only reason why it's happening is because is it's something
Speaker 6: much deeper than just a flush and blood animal to
Speaker 6: our consciousness. It's something that encompasses so much.
Speaker 5: Yeah, when you're talking thousands of years ago, I've always
Speaker 5: been fascinated with where did that knowledge come from, to
Speaker 5: be able to be able to track stars, to know
Speaker 5: what's out there that it was not known then for
Speaker 5: the most part, but now it's been proven to exist.
Speaker 5: I mean exactly fascinating with all that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the Dogun tribe in Africa has been known since
Speaker 6: at least in the nineteen sixties that they can track the
Speaker 6: planetary movement of youranus, which is not capable of being
Speaker 6: seen by the name and eye.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Daniel, you've been off a quiet you're taking all
Speaker 5: this in.
Speaker 2: I am taking a lot of mental notes.
Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely, because I can say it's like we're at
Speaker 5: a crossroad yourself now, Daniel probably feels the same way
Speaker 5: because I've told other people to say it again real quick.
Speaker 5: We met him, he was pretty much on the big
Speaker 5: Foot path blah blah blah blah blah. But after the
Speaker 5: last couple of camp outs, he's starting to open his
Speaker 5: mind up more to there's more going on here than
Speaker 5: possibly just bigfoot, at least open your mind up to it.
Speaker 5: Where he's now looking into other aspects. Fortunately he is
Speaker 5: not sitting any more text to buy any more equipment
Speaker 5: to help again. But we're not. We don't jump down
Speaker 5: that rabbit hole where every shadow we see, every buff
Speaker 5: of breath we hear, or every track we see or whatnot,
Speaker 5: it's bigfoot. We can't. We don't know. You've got to
Speaker 5: rule out everything before you can come any kind of
Speaker 5: conclusion and then have to walk away. We don't know,
Speaker 5: you know, I mean, it's the way it is. We
Speaker 5: can't say yes. We can't, still can't say no. It's
Speaker 5: just fascinating.
Speaker 6: We're still out there. We're still out there, soldiering on
Speaker 6: and plowing and plowing away exactly in the hopes, in
Speaker 6: the hopes that we will be able to scratch off
Speaker 6: out winning watery ticket and come to some sort of
Speaker 6: definitive And.
Speaker 5: It may not be big for maybe something totally that
Speaker 5: we hadn't been thinking about, like on the paranormal side,
Speaker 5: that we might be able to. Yeah, absolutely right. I
Speaker 5: mean we don't know. That's why we keep going back.
Speaker 5: I can't wait for spring to get here. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: me too.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Right now, it's about negative five here in western Pennsylvania.
Speaker 6: We have about eighteen inches of snow on the ground.
Speaker 6: So it's very frigid and very uh confining right now,
Speaker 6: so nobody's doing much.
Speaker 5: It's about seven here. We got about twelve inches here
Speaker 5: in Timberill. Well maybe not twelve, probably just nine inches
Speaker 5: left over now, but it wouldn't too bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I just looked at my phone.
Speaker 3: It's reading fifteen degrees right now here at home, reading
Speaker 3: out right with everything that's we're shared is shared on
Speaker 3: moving into here. I mean, I guess in your opinion,
Speaker 3: it's probably I mean, would you say it's safe to
Speaker 3: for us to keep an.
Speaker 4: Open mind on what Bigfoot might be?
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, considering I mean, I still look
Speaker 3: at Bigfoot, and I know a lot of others still
Speaker 3: do to.
Speaker 4: Keep it, you know, I mean, I look at Bigfoot as.
Speaker 3: A fushing way, But like I said, with all the
Speaker 3: experiences of the strangers that we've had, we've experienced, I mean,
Speaker 3: it makes you really wonder.
Speaker 2: I mean, but you know, like is it big Lady?
Speaker 5: We don't know.
Speaker 3: But yeah, then again we want to say yes. A
Speaker 3: lot of people believe it is, and but you know,
Speaker 3: we can't jump on that. But you know, I can't
Speaker 3: say yes right away.
Speaker 6: I agreed, agreed either way, that's right now. There is
Speaker 6: a two weedged sword of this too. So we talked
Speaker 6: about like the idea of light anomalies and the idea
Speaker 6: that you know, is it possible that Bigfoot originates from
Speaker 6: the fairy realm? Sure, all that stuff as possible, but
Speaker 6: we're also not taking into account that this creature is
Speaker 6: from another world, another place, another dimension, what have you,
Speaker 6: and whenever they come into our world, they don't become
Speaker 6: flesh and blood. See that's the other thing as well.
Speaker 6: Do It's very possible that we're still looking for the
Speaker 6: same thing. It's just it originates from a different place
Speaker 6: and then assumes a different form here. That's extremely possible
Speaker 6: because we're finding hair, it's leaving behind footprints. You know,
Speaker 6: sometimes you can find you know, poop, So it's not
Speaker 6: like this thing is only a an energetic entity, it
Speaker 6: also has a corporeal form as well too. And that's
Speaker 6: the interesting thing about this. The reason why we have
Speaker 6: to keep an open mind is because whatever field that
Speaker 6: we're in, great a hypothesis, actually crush or whatever. We
Speaker 6: have to keep an open mind because it could be
Speaker 6: all of that wrapped up in one thing.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I guess sometimes to say to keep
Speaker 3: an open mind, it's always easier said and done to that,
Speaker 3: or like you want.
Speaker 2: To because you know, based off of the way we.
Speaker 3: Grow up and seeing things, want to you know, you
Speaker 3: want to think just one way, you know, but they
Speaker 3: all these other things occur. Okay, well is there a connection?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 6: Right at this at this point in the research, I
Speaker 6: don't even care what people think about me anymore. You know,
Speaker 6: if I'm coming to some sort of conclusion and it's
Speaker 6: going to rock your world where you don't think you
Speaker 6: want to talk about, you know, energetic sources, or if
Speaker 6: you talk about fairies or what have you. At this point,
Speaker 6: I don't care because I've really kind of come to
Speaker 6: conclusion that what this is is very closely related to
Speaker 6: the earth itself and has a spiritual aspect as well,
Speaker 6: And the robin hole I'm going down right now is
Speaker 6: indeed leading me into that direction that this is something
Speaker 6: that is a manifestation of some energetic intelligence that we
Speaker 6: know very little all.
Speaker 5: I've always thought that something else to play here that
Speaker 5: might be controlling everything possibility, and maybe more than one.
Speaker 5: I mean, we don't that's right, that's right.
Speaker 6: And there's also a theory that I could pause it
Speaker 6: here as well too, that the human mind is a wondrous,
Speaker 6: you know, very active electrical storm at all times. You know,
Speaker 6: is it possible that we human beings are projecting this
Speaker 6: out into the environment as well? See, that's another kind
Speaker 6: of crazy thing when we think about this. Are we
Speaker 6: the monsters projecting that onto the landscape, onto the canopy
Speaker 6: of the world around us? Now that's the case, then
Speaker 6: that takes us into a whole world of psychology and
Speaker 6: sociology and everything, because if we are always going to
Speaker 6: be the monster, right and we are throwing that energy
Speaker 6: out there into the environment, what does that say about ourselves?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: That way, that's a good point in other words of
Speaker 5: saying they might be able to use some people, that's
Speaker 5: a conduit. Absolutely some people experience more paranormal than others,
Speaker 5: and some people don't experience anything. Why did some people,
Speaker 5: you use, some people that claim they can self protect
Speaker 5: themselves somewhere else? Why did the government research that back
Speaker 5: in the day remote view I mean, it's just'scinating, you know,
Speaker 5: we don't know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, there was operations Stargate. I believe it was
Speaker 6: in the It was definitely during the Cold War. I
Speaker 6: was thinking it was in the sixties, but it might
Speaker 6: have been as late as the late fifties whenever they
Speaker 6: were actually bringing people in that were doing remote viewing
Speaker 6: and psychic research. And it's very possible that the military
Speaker 6: kind of did a sye offs on us to the
Speaker 6: point that we look at all that kind of stuff
Speaker 6: as very superstitious and doesn't have any kind of worth
Speaker 6: or anything because the information that they gathered from it,
Speaker 6: they don't want to share that with other people. Absolutely, absolutely, Yeah,
Speaker 6: So they make it seem something dumb and ineffective and
Speaker 6: only morons do it, and you know, nobody whatever, nobody
Speaker 6: worth her salt, would ever consider such things. Whenever they
Speaker 6: were devoting millions, they've got billions of dollars towards cyclic
Speaker 6: cool research.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's stuff going on, even in the house we
Speaker 5: live at now. We've been here since two thousand and
Speaker 5: eleven we bought it. We've had a little bit of
Speaker 5: paranormal stuff happened and witnessed by entire family here to
Speaker 5: catch the table one night. But last few years we
Speaker 5: got cameras up there when we got our shepherds. She's
Speaker 5: three now, so we can monitor the dogs when we're
Speaker 5: not at the house, make sure they're not tearing everything up. Fortunately,
Speaker 5: been good dogs have toward the house up but twice
Speaker 5: now we've got lists of hair being messed with on camera. Wow,
Speaker 5: it's a yeah. I mean I've.
Speaker 7: Been touched all my life.
Speaker 9: I've always been able to fill the par oformal around me.
Speaker 9: I as a kid, as a teenager, I could sit
Speaker 9: on my bed and I'd be sitting on my bed
Speaker 9: and all of a sudden, my bed would shift like weight,
Speaker 9: like something was sitting on it. You could actually see
Speaker 9: an infront looked like something sitting there because it depressed
Speaker 9: the sheets.
Speaker 6: So did you feel fear or what were you sensing?
Speaker 6: I don't have these kind of experiences, nor do I
Speaker 6: have really any kind of feeling or notion that I'm
Speaker 6: open to these kind of things, but for people that
Speaker 6: do experience these things, did you feel fear? Did you
Speaker 6: feel that the presence was what did you feel the
Speaker 6: presence was.
Speaker 8: Growing up, I've had so many interactions like that where
Speaker 8: it's normal for me, I didn't feel a friend aid.
Speaker 8: There have been times, like in crowds and stuff, I
Speaker 8: will automatically I start feeling like there's evil around, and
Speaker 8: especially with a particular person. Where I used to work
Speaker 8: at some of our customers would come into the store
Speaker 8: and we had this one guy that every time he
Speaker 8: came in, I just you could just feel evil.
Speaker 9: Emanating off of him, and you put your guard up.
Speaker 9: You know, your your mind protects yourself by putting up
Speaker 9: a guard and you just deal with that customer and
Speaker 9: get to mount the store as quick as well.
Speaker 5: But as far as around here, she didn't feel anything,
Speaker 5: you know, she didn't feel any kind of thread or
Speaker 5: uncomfortable enough that it happened. The things that happened, I mean,
Speaker 5: I have not experienced that, even though I've seen it
Speaker 5: on video that I downloaded and we kept and whatnot.
Speaker 5: And we had a twenty five pound metal stool fly
Speaker 5: from the wall one evening behind my son Justin him
Speaker 5: and his girlfriend and two daughters. Me and Wlista was
Speaker 5: sitting there at the table and it flew about four
Speaker 5: foot away from the wall. I didn't have that on
Speaker 5: camera because we didn't have the dogs and I didn't
Speaker 5: have these cameras. I'm pretty to be able to capture that.
Speaker 5: But even that said, we we have. We thought it
Speaker 5: might have been attachment that's brought in from a bunk bitch.
Speaker 5: That's a whole different story, so we ain't got time
Speaker 5: to get into. We bought somebody when Tom his kids
Speaker 5: were living with us, and they called it Henry. But anyway,
Speaker 5: besides that, that's when things really started happening around here.
Speaker 5: But I have a felt uncomfortable been here. She has
Speaker 5: a felt uncomfortable been here. So far, hopefully it stays
Speaker 5: that way. But things happened more than one people experience it.
Speaker 5: It's not your Imagination's my point to get it on video,
Speaker 5: you know, Yeah, you gave more tangible evidence that what
Speaker 5: moved her freaking hair, you know what I mean? Pulled
Speaker 5: up the next time you could just see a slightly
Speaker 5: shift and the camera glazed over a little bit and
Speaker 5: blinked out. And came back on. It's on video and
Speaker 5: then she tells me about it. I walk up to
Speaker 5: the PC over there, I got everything recording on. She's
Speaker 5: telling me about it. She reaches up and touched my
Speaker 5: hair and I look down there like, come on, sure enough.
Speaker 5: I pulled it up and there it was. I mean,
Speaker 5: you can just rarely see it stiff, and it called
Speaker 5: her attention to work. She responded to it.
Speaker 10: And I will say that the last time that my
Speaker 10: hair when it did that, I got like a cold
Speaker 10: chill and I could just feel the goose bumps coming
Speaker 10: up on my arm and on my neck and it
Speaker 10: was just on that side because that's where it happened
Speaker 10: at that It just normally I don't I don't react
Speaker 10: because I'm used to it.
Speaker 7: But that one kind of got me because in.
Speaker 8: The video I'm telling David about it, and he's of
Speaker 8: course not believe in me.
Speaker 7: And then you'll hear me.
Speaker 8: Say, you know, if that was you, can you touch
Speaker 8: me again? And that nothing happened at that point?
Speaker 5: Is that that believer? Does that? I want evidence, you know,
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna sure that's the Harold Fire Golds Coast ghost.
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna you know what I mean. Yes, I
Speaker 5: did about these TV shows and stuff. You see all
Speaker 5: these ghostting shows and whatnot, and they experienced something supposedly,
Speaker 5: then they go running in the office direction.
Speaker 2: Why are you running?
Speaker 5: They're to experience it. I mean I understanding stuff like that.
Speaker 5: Don't get me wrong now, if you want.
Speaker 8: Something funny about paranormal several years ago, we were living
Speaker 8: at another house.
Speaker 7: It's before we bought this one. We were living at
Speaker 7: another house and I had to stop. That house was haunted.
Speaker 9: There was an older gentleman that died in the home
Speaker 9: that our landlord told us about. He was elderly, and
Speaker 9: we were constantly having things happening. Folks falling off the shelf,
Speaker 9: keys and stuff would end up in the bathtub or
Speaker 9: in the kitchen sink for whatever reason, or the bathroom sink.
Speaker 9: But I had to stop making fried chicken in my
Speaker 9: cast iron skillet because, honest to God, every time I
Speaker 9: would try to make fried chicken, I would feel like
Speaker 9: somebody was leaning over my shoulder looking down.
Speaker 7: And the first couple times.
Speaker 9: I thought it was my husband, or I thought it
Speaker 9: was one of my boys. But I turned around, there's
Speaker 9: no one there. So I quit making fried chicken in
Speaker 9: that house, because that creeped me out a little bit,
Speaker 9: because it was a little bit too close for comfort.
Speaker 9: You know, a little brush with your hair, flipp of
Speaker 9: your head, that's different.
Speaker 8: Than something leaning on you and you feel like you
Speaker 8: could feel a weight.
Speaker 5: And no, no, you could tell people this stuff all
Speaker 5: day long, they're gonna have half the people don't look
Speaker 5: at you, like until they experienced something themselves. It's hard
Speaker 5: to taste people minds.
Speaker 2: You know, almost since you've been in this house, have
Speaker 2: you gone back to making fried chicken?
Speaker 9: Actually, I don't have time anymore.
Speaker 7: Feel it, But I don't have a lot of time anymore.
Speaker 2: Well, David's retired, he's home all the day.
Speaker 5: I'm not going down that path.
Speaker 8: Night while I well, she could put this down long enough,
Speaker 8: she could make fried chicken.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we just find it all fascinating. We're at that
Speaker 5: crossroads now to try to find ways, if there's even
Speaker 5: a way to try to blend everything together. What's going
Speaker 5: on with when we're out there in the woods and
Speaker 5: with everything happens in the house and other experiences and stuff.
Speaker 5: There's stuff going on out there. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 5: we may never find a solid answer only conclusion that
Speaker 5: things out there happening that we do not know or rationalize,
Speaker 5: and it's it's and what does the future home.
Speaker 7: Yeah, because at the last camp out, I had an experience.
Speaker 7: I have never.
Speaker 8: Experienced anything like this before. I was sitting with my
Speaker 8: back to the woodline.
Speaker 7: It was night.
Speaker 9: They were out on the adventure so they could go
Speaker 9: see the white light and.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I was yeah that night.
Speaker 9: But I was sitting there with my back in the
Speaker 9: chair facing the fire, and we had John and Mary
Speaker 9: also stayed back too, and I'm sitting there relaxing, and
Speaker 9: then all of a sudden, I could hear what sounded
Speaker 9: like a caneine type of animal.
Speaker 8: I could hear it trotting towards me and heavy breathing,
Speaker 8: heavy panting. So I jump out my chair because there's
Speaker 8: a lot of coyotes back.
Speaker 9: There, and I thought there was a coyote about the attack.
Speaker 9: I come find out the chair and go off to
Speaker 9: the left and I turn around. There's nothing there. There
Speaker 9: is absolutely nothing there.
Speaker 11: And Mary she said later on that she actually could
Speaker 11: hear panting. She didn't hear anything else, but she could
Speaker 11: hear the heavy breathing panting.
Speaker 7: But I cannot explain.
Speaker 8: That I have never had that happen to me before.
Speaker 8: And you know, I was quick to react. I wasn't
Speaker 8: scared scared, but I thought I was about to get
Speaker 8: attacked back what I thought might have been a coyote
Speaker 8: because it sounded like a dog coming up behind you.
Speaker 7: You know that had that was trotting behind you.
Speaker 5: Well, the same campsite, same week Daniel had this shoulder
Speaker 5: touched one night and tell you about that.
Speaker 2: And that was that was the same the same.
Speaker 5: Week, uh September.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was the same.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, last camp.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because uh, it was Friday or Saturday night, I think,
Speaker 3: don't yet.
Speaker 2: The only ones that were left there, you.
Speaker 3: Know, the others are gone left out for camp earlier
Speaker 3: that day, and there's the only ones left there with me,
Speaker 3: David Wlislam and uh now I recall I'm pretty sure
Speaker 3: Melissa was still there before.
Speaker 4: She went in for the night, and I know at
Speaker 4: one point it.
Speaker 3: Was just me and David, but there the two of
Speaker 3: them sitting on the officer side of the fire. For me,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm sitting there, I'm sous down in my
Speaker 3: chair around the fire and it's pretty quiet, now, know,
Speaker 3: one thing I recall. I hear what sounds like a
Speaker 3: gusher wing coming, but there was no wind.
Speaker 4: It's like, I'm just listening, you know, you know, I'm
Speaker 4: just whatever. I'm just uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: I'm relaxed, and I'm wearing my black Bigfoot Virginia hoodie.
Speaker 3: I'm laughing. I'm flushed down on my chair like I
Speaker 3: am now and I'm dead, you know, I'm pretty still.
Speaker 3: And I didn't say nothing to them when this happened.
Speaker 3: I said something the next day after we got home.
Speaker 3: I said, do you know when he was sitting there,
Speaker 3: something something happened to me. I didn't think of nothing,
Speaker 3: love it. I was like, Okay, I had these two
Speaker 3: tubs on the back of my hoodie that someone yanking
Speaker 3: on the hoodie and.
Speaker 2: I never turned around to look.
Speaker 4: I pulled my phone out, start taking.
Speaker 2: Selbies, see if it was see if it would kick
Speaker 2: anything up.
Speaker 5: You know, he was just scared to turn around.
Speaker 3: Look come on, man, I mean I know there was
Speaker 3: nobody else there. You guys were straight out in front
Speaker 3: of me on the other side of the fire, you know.
Speaker 3: And I was like, I just thought that was the
Speaker 3: strangest thing ever.
Speaker 5: If everything else had happened during that camp out, and
Speaker 5: then he had that experience. He seen and felt that.
Speaker 5: He felt that the other things that happened during that
Speaker 5: camp out electrical stuff, Well that's a bit of a yeah.
Speaker 3: Well the other thing that took places. We had those
Speaker 3: uh some people called cat balls. They're also known as ghostballs.
Speaker 3: After after you turn them on, you set him out.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 3: We had to have him two knights in a row.
Speaker 3: The first night we didn't capture in our cameras. The
Speaker 3: second time, second night we put him out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we did.
Speaker 3: We had like two I think I think we only
Speaker 3: had two of them out. We're sitting around the fire.
Speaker 3: This is this is when you know, John and Mary
Speaker 3: was still with us, and we were sitting around the fire. Oh,
Speaker 3: Drew was there and we're sitting there on the fire.
Speaker 3: It's pretty quiet, you know, we're talking amongst themselfs here
Speaker 3: and there, and that's you know. The most was like
Speaker 3: one of the life and going off right. It was
Speaker 3: at least a good ten to fifteen feet away from us.
Speaker 3: There was no wind, there was nothing going on around
Speaker 3: us that we They have.
Speaker 5: To be physically touched and moved. They don't. They're not
Speaker 5: set off by electronics.
Speaker 9: They have right at it and then it starts blinking
Speaker 9: all the different colors.
Speaker 2: So, I mean, like I said, the first time it
Speaker 2: went off, I wasn't prepared for it.
Speaker 4: You know, it went off.
Speaker 2: When it went off the next night, it stayed.
Speaker 3: Going off for a period of time. This was to
Speaker 3: stop after ten twelve seconds, but it's stayed going off.
Speaker 3: I had I had enough time to grab up.
Speaker 4: Camp holder and walk up with while I'm recording, you know.
Speaker 3: So it was interesting. I mean, yeah, so that campsite
Speaker 3: definitely something interesting going on. For the record, we didn't
Speaker 3: bring We didn't even mention whether in the surround Yeah,
Speaker 3: the entire area, yeah, but in the surrounding area there
Speaker 3: is these old foundations, the homesteads.
Speaker 4: In the area.
Speaker 5: So you all right right right on history and no
Speaker 5: telling how far back it goes to Native Americans and
Speaker 5: all that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, sure, sure that's right, because there's back some way.
Speaker 6: And that's the other thing we have to take into
Speaker 6: account as well, that we share this earth, right, so
Speaker 6: all these places that we're investigating, people were there before
Speaker 6: us as well, and they were laying down their own
Speaker 6: stories and their own history. So we might be interlopers
Speaker 6: trustpossors into these very sacred sponsors.
Speaker 5: We know nothing about it.
Speaker 7: Just like you're saying in the chat. Energy is a
Speaker 7: big part of it.
Speaker 9: Every person that's ever lived in a certain area, that
Speaker 9: whole area is energized.
Speaker 3: And that's absolutely it's a it's a fun time being
Speaker 3: out there.
Speaker 2: You just it's come to the.
Speaker 3: Point where you just don't know what to expect, you know,
Speaker 3: Like I've chatted with David about this. You know, you know,
Speaker 3: we're filming our time being out there, you know. I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, like when we're out there, we're there top
Speaker 3: and enjoy ourselves being out there in the woods, you know,
Speaker 3: and we love being out there and we can't get
Speaker 3: enough of it. So you know, like like we're filming
Speaker 3: all this and you know, what we're filming and what
Speaker 3: I'm producing out there will eventually be on a streaming network,
Speaker 3: you know, because you know, I just wanted people to
Speaker 3: see what we do. You know, we're not we don't
Speaker 3: have a production crew out there, like Jay we mentioned earlier,
Speaker 3: we're not out there. We're not out there to get famous,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 6: But you know, you don't want to become just a
Speaker 6: talking head.
Speaker 2: What's that.
Speaker 6: You don't want to become just a talking.
Speaker 2: Right exactly.
Speaker 3: I mean, and we don't produce stuff to capture the
Speaker 3: audience attention for entertainment. Like you know, I'm not I'm
Speaker 3: not bashing extra Edition Bigfoot because you know, I love
Speaker 3: that show Find a big Foot. I grew up watching
Speaker 3: that show. You know, It's it's all fun. It's entertaining
Speaker 3: to the point where like, hey, I like the parts
Speaker 3: where you hear the eyewitnesses up, you know, or if
Speaker 3: if the camera happens to capture something you know, But
Speaker 3: you know, again, we don't have the production truth. But
Speaker 3: you know, if we have to, we have to capture
Speaker 3: shop on camera, that's awesome because I want the audience
Speaker 3: to see that because that's what we experience. Again, I
Speaker 3: have of what we talked about and brought up to
Speaker 3: you tonight, Ron. I mean, it's we've experienced a lot
Speaker 3: out there. We weren't able to capture our camera. Again,
Speaker 3: we weren't prepared for it, but we we you know, for.
Speaker 2: Those who want to believe it, take it as take.
Speaker 4: It as it is or for what it's worth.
Speaker 6: But uh, I mean, I think your listeners are going
Speaker 6: to uh come to the same conclusion lighted. You know,
Speaker 6: this is a an audust show because very rarely does
Speaker 6: anybody talk about this, right, I mean people might mention it,
Speaker 6: but very rarely will you allow somebody to talk for
Speaker 6: an hour and a half about something that's so strange
Speaker 6: and so bizarre that very few people take it in
Speaker 6: all accounts. And I'm glad he did it because I
Speaker 6: thought it was very, very worthwhile.
Speaker 3: Oh, we have no shame in what we talked about.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean we're not We're not here to
Speaker 3: make stuff up. We're not looking for a No, we're.
Speaker 5: Not going to fabricate. We're not gonna fabricate anything. We
Speaker 5: Daniel had a guy come the year before last, made
Speaker 5: his own personal trip from West Virginia by the name
Speaker 5: of Dave, to give his account of what happened to them.
Speaker 5: They couldn't explain him and his group over in West Virginia.
Speaker 5: I think it was the night before, a couple of
Speaker 5: nights before that. Really that really made him uneasy. Okay,
Speaker 5: he had to talk about it. He had to find
Speaker 5: somebody to put the story out. And you can tell
Speaker 5: his sincerity. I got I rode back at camp after
Speaker 5: making a trip to the house and went back a
Speaker 5: halfway through the story. But you could just tell see
Speaker 5: how uneasy he was to see the sincerity in what
Speaker 5: he was telling when he was telling Daniels story. And
Speaker 5: he had a retired cop. I spent forty years in
Speaker 5: law enforcement, military and the sheriff's office. Here. He had
Speaker 5: a retired cop with him that never even went down
Speaker 5: that rope for bigfoot. But based on what they experienced,
Speaker 5: now it's captivated him. Where now he needs to find
Speaker 5: out what it was that I mean on to get
Speaker 5: the calls in. You just don't want to let go.
Speaker 6: You know it does not I think that's.
Speaker 5: Step back, and I jumped down that rabbit hole. At
Speaker 5: the same time. You got to rationalize, put things together,
Speaker 5: see then see what comes up after that, what's produced
Speaker 5: based on what you.
Speaker 8: Count, what you know you can that could be evidence.
Speaker 7: Rule it out. And if you know that that's a
Speaker 7: bear track, roll it out there it goes.
Speaker 9: And if you don't know what it is, then you
Speaker 9: keep that information and that documentation.
Speaker 5: The road.
Speaker 7: You may find your answer that you're looking for up
Speaker 7: in the woods.
Speaker 9: Literally, I spent so much time as a kid in
Speaker 9: the woods, and I am so comfortable in the woods.
Speaker 7: I love it. I know the sounds of the woods.
Speaker 7: I love the smells of it. I know all that.
Speaker 9: And you can definitely tail win. There's something different around
Speaker 9: out there that's.
Speaker 7: Not the norm. You know, and Daniel you know he
Speaker 7: knows too. But that's my that's my quiet spot is
Speaker 7: the woods.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you mentioned she's comfortable because after what me
Speaker 3: and David talked about behind closed doors, but bringing out
Speaker 3: the rope and the duct tape, I have.
Speaker 7: A memory like an elephant, remember that forget I thought
Speaker 7: my revenge.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm glad we was able to collaborate some of
Speaker 5: the things that you've experienced itself, Like you just basically
Speaker 5: collaborated validata some of what we've experienced too, I mean,
Speaker 5: the same line, well, the same path, but.
Speaker 6: To say, look, hopefully we can get together, Hopefully our
Speaker 6: paths cross here in spring and we can get out
Speaker 6: there and see what the hell's going on, and maybe
Speaker 6: we will have our own encounters like this that we're
Speaker 6: able to document.
Speaker 5: As wells definitely.
Speaker 3: Well, well, that being said, that brings you up to
Speaker 3: a question. I do want to ask you. Are you
Speaker 3: a camper run you go on camping.
Speaker 6: Oh not as much as I would like. Let's put
Speaker 6: it that way. I've got five kids and I got
Speaker 6: two grandkids, so at this point in my life, I
Speaker 6: but you know, I'm looking forward to excuse to do that,
Speaker 6: so let's put it that way.
Speaker 5: I will gladly be out there with you.
Speaker 3: Well the invites out to you, I mean we were.
Speaker 3: Our next scheduled group camp out is coming up in
Speaker 3: May May seventeenth and twenty six, so that you can
Speaker 3: work out if you have to bring the kids to.
Speaker 2: Hey, we need bait, so go ahead.
Speaker 6: It's all as you said that. I used to say
Speaker 6: that all the time. So my kids acting as bait,
Speaker 6: that's right. If you can give me the information in
Speaker 6: my front, I would love to take a look at
Speaker 6: and see what we can.
Speaker 5: We'll go out twice a year for the most part.
Speaker 5: That's a week long after group sporadically in between that.
Speaker 5: But yeah, as a group twice a year so far.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I know that we do May in September,
Speaker 3: but I have to I haven't scheduled the date for
Speaker 3: September yet because I have to look at things on
Speaker 3: my part for what I got going on, and you know,
Speaker 3: I've been meeting up with eyewitnesses. I've been going to
Speaker 3: do other you know, I got scheduled the investigations, you know,
Speaker 3: both in Pennsylvania, West Virginia, uh even as far down
Speaker 3: to South Carolina.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Mean I only worked for ten hour days, but I
Speaker 3: have a long weekend, so I'm considering using some of
Speaker 3: my other PTO towards usually towards travel time and spending
Speaker 3: time down at these locations. Sure, I mean, I got
Speaker 3: people who have been itching it and after me, Hey,
Speaker 3: when are you gonna come out here and investigate this
Speaker 3: spy here? And then I MEI blah blah blah or whatever.
Speaker 3: So I'm taking advantage that I'm hosting these library lectures
Speaker 3: on down there. I want to meet with you your
Speaker 3: eyewitness or maybegether other eyewitnesses while I'm there.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: So there's a lot going on, you know, I have
Speaker 3: to look at it.
Speaker 5: I would be honored to be part of it. Honored
Speaker 5: to be part of it. I'd love to be on
Speaker 5: what's on your plate coming up? Anything special?
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I do a lot of things local.
Speaker 6: I'll be at the Kexburgh UFO Festival in July, and
Speaker 6: then I will be at the Hopkinsville Goblet con in
Speaker 6: uh Hopkinsville, Kentucky in August, and I'll be at the
Speaker 6: Skunk Festival in in July. I believe it's going to
Speaker 6: be this year up in Johnstown Fins. They have a
Speaker 6: whole weekend devoted towards the Squak and I'm really looking forward.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm having a great fart remembering his name because
Speaker 3: he comes and sets.
Speaker 4: Up as a vendor in my have been every year.
Speaker 3: So which my Virginia Big for Conference that I usually host.
Speaker 3: I'm actually giving a break this year. We're not doing
Speaker 3: the Virginia Big Conference. I was actually gonna do my
Speaker 3: Pennsylvania event, which I've talked to you about right now.
Speaker 2: We're having issue fighting a location. Is the one location venue?
Speaker 3: Yeah, the venue that we were supposed to have at
Speaker 3: that was promised well, because there's another event that takes
Speaker 3: place there, they dismissed.
Speaker 2: Us from being there, which is stupid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because in the event that takes place there and
Speaker 3: that's big for related, nobody shows up for that, Evan,
Speaker 3: And it's like, well, look I promised them again, seem
Speaker 3: I said I could bring a crowd. I said, I
Speaker 3: got over As of right now, I have over thirteen
Speaker 3: thousand followers to my event for Pennsylvania, so right now it's.
Speaker 2: Hard finding a location.
Speaker 5: Right now.
Speaker 4: I've been I've.
Speaker 3: Reached out to a number of people. I have other
Speaker 3: people looking out for me up there. They haven't come
Speaker 3: forward with any information yet.
Speaker 4: So I don't know.
Speaker 2: I had got to cancel it again, but it's almost getting.
Speaker 3: To that point where I might have to make an
Speaker 3: announcement where I may have to cancel that.
Speaker 6: So well, yeah, I'll look for things around her too,
Speaker 6: and let's see if we have a chance of saving Yeah.
Speaker 3: I have one individual he said he recommends to me
Speaker 3: looking for looking into the Butler a year, which I've
Speaker 3: heard a lot of good stuff about Butler, you know.
Speaker 2: Uh, So I don't know we'll see him.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: One the other individual I talked to that puts me
Speaker 3: a speaker for that. Uh j W Sure, No, I'll have.
Speaker 4: He was another individual.
Speaker 5: Not sure.
Speaker 4: I can't remember the other guy's name.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I'm having a great bunch.
Speaker 4: I remember the name. I hate when I get like that.
Speaker 2: But anyway, we'll see.
Speaker 4: What happens, you know.
Speaker 2: Like I said, I'm trying to give it a chance.
Speaker 2: But I don't want to wait too long because.
Speaker 4: I want to be able to plan ahead and put.
Speaker 2: Some promotions out there. You know, this stuff, it really is.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'll send you some information. Uh, if you
Speaker 3: can make it, you may, that's great. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 3: I understand if you can't, but it'd be great to
Speaker 3: have you there with us.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: Like I said, we're very laid back. We're we're a
Speaker 3: very chilled group, you know. I mean, like I said,
Speaker 3: we like the fellowship at the camp site. You know,
Speaker 3: it's a primitive thing, you know. You know, we usually
Speaker 3: all tent camp, but you know, most and David they
Speaker 3: just recently upgraded. They got a camper now, a little.
Speaker 7: Jacob.
Speaker 5: She made me do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah you watch.
Speaker 5: That ain't happening.
Speaker 3: Well, they'll still bring the tent. Melissa Molsta will make
Speaker 3: David send up the tent for him. You know, she'll
Speaker 3: be she'll be in the camp with her and Uh, David,
Speaker 3: you can stay with me, buddy. I don't that.
Speaker 5: I'm good. I'm good, so real quick.
Speaker 3: I do want to remind everybody Tomorrow night, Saturday, June
Speaker 3: excuse me, January thirty, first, Saturday night, nine pm, we
Speaker 3: will be live again with our next guest. So make
Speaker 3: sure you guys are available and tune in, and of
Speaker 3: course we love the interaction, all the love chat. Before
Speaker 3: we leave out of here tonight, I want to give
Speaker 3: up Ron. You have anything you want to share, throw
Speaker 3: out there for the audience.
Speaker 6: Or you know, you could look me up on a
Speaker 6: good old Amazon dot com right, you can find my
Speaker 6: books there, or you can also go to www. Ron
Speaker 6: dash cryptoguru dot com and you can get my books
Speaker 6: there and you can get in touch with me there,
Speaker 6: or would love to, uh to talk to some of
Speaker 6: your viewers there. There were a very intelligent group of people.
Speaker 6: I'd love to chat with them for them excellent. Absolutely,
Speaker 6: I hear the little ones in the background. I do, yes,
Speaker 6: I know, I've gotta I gotta tender graund I gotcha.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 5: It's been a players You're meeting you, and I'm looking
Speaker 5: forward to the future and picking your brainsmore and and
Speaker 5: then maybe I'm looking forward to at the time.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I've been following you guys, I've been admirers
Speaker 6: of you, uh you folks, and not like I said,
Speaker 6: I've honored to be on the program. And I'm counting
Speaker 6: on our past crossing that's coming here, definitely, that would
Speaker 6: be fantastic.
Speaker 7: And we're on Facebook.
Speaker 5: So.
Speaker 6: All right, Melisten, I greatly appreciate it. You made me
Speaker 6: feel welcome and right at home, so I appreciate.
Speaker 3: We love having you Ron you got you were an
Speaker 3: excellent guest, absolutely and for that.
Speaker 6: Well, if your guests like me enough, invite me back.
Speaker 6: We'll talk about more crazy shit.
Speaker 2: You're coming back regardless.
Speaker 5: We're slowly pulling Daniel over to our side.
Speaker 6: That's slowly, slowly, but that's right.
Speaker 3: I'll come over long as I can, as long as
Speaker 3: I can get bushwhack being right here.
Speaker 2: Let me stop.
Speaker 3: But ladies and gentlemen, I one last moment I like
Speaker 3: to throw at the end of our podcast. If you
Speaker 3: have a bigfoot experience or anything strange and unexplainable, we would.
Speaker 2: Love to hear from you.
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Speaker 3: Uh you guys, keep it squatchy, and we'll be back
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