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Speaker 5: The track is Seance, The band is generations and we're
gonna be talking with them in just a moment. Welcome everybody.
We have entered our number three New Marrow trace of
Matt Connorton Unleashed and we are live from the studios
of w m n H ninety five point three FM
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If you are listening live. It is Saturday, Nuary ten,
twenty twenty six. Jenny is here, of course at the
news table, and let's get the band in here. So
I've got the level up here, I know we have
uh we have Jen Are you there?
Speaker 10: Can you hear us?
Speaker 4: Yes, we can hear.
Speaker 5: Oh excellent, let me, I gotta boost the volume on
this end. But uh so yeah, so welcome. So we
have gen X from the band, and you've got your
cohorts with you. Because I can see I don't think
you can see me, but I can see you on
the on the screen. Why don't you go ahead and
introduce everybody? If you would, or they can introduce themselves.
However you want to do it.
Speaker 11: Marco Flivers and we're MIAs one because he's working today
and he can make Anthony and he plays guitars.
Speaker 5: Well, gotcha, gotcha? All right, So tell us about I'm
curious to know how this band came together because you're
you're in an area you're in? Is it Springfield, Missouri?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: So not exactly known as a hotbed for metal, shall
we say? But I have no idea what the music
scene is like there. How did this spand come about?
And are there I mean, is there a strong scene
there where you are?
Speaker 2: I think it's not too bad. The story on how
we got together kind of funny.
Speaker 12: I actually know Daniel for a long time and hit
him up and he've been playing music different bands for
twenty something years now, and I was like, maybe why
do we Why did we never jam him?
Speaker 2: He's like, look, I don't know.
Speaker 12: We went ahead and got together to the Little Jamon
and just kind of turned into what we.
Speaker 2: Got going on there.
Speaker 5: So is this is this a relatively new project?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well it has been going for about three years.
Speaker 11: So when we formed it, we had an original singer
and then we lost him for the health reasons, and
then we went through about a year and a half
of just going through different vocalists, you know, trying new
things vocally, and then we blessed to run into this
kick over here.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's the fun from there. I mean you hear
seal she's amazing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely so. And having a you know, a
female fronted band is still it's weird. It's it's you.
You would almost think it'd be it wouldn't even be
a big deal at this point, right, But it seems
like in the industry when you have a female fronted
metal band, it still kind of turns heads. People say, oh,
isn't that interesting, even though there's been many many female
fronted bands. But I mean, jen X, I'm curious how
you feel about that and is that something that you
really kind of try to push to the forefront in
terms of how the band is marketed and perceived or
do you think about that part or is it just
this is what it is, or how do you approach that.
Speaker 4: So I've been doing this long time. Springfield, you know,
is probably not well known, but Bramson is, oh yeah,
well known. My parents were entertainers there for twenty years.
Speaker 10: I was a child.
Speaker 4: Entertainer there growing up. Oh wow, professionally performing since I
was five. Okay, so classically because growing up there it's
mostly country. I did a lot of country. But this
is me, this is the music that I love. I
remember screaming at the top of my lungs to Offspring
when I was like nine years old. Does genuinely love it?
But I didn't have that opportunity to express myself that
way growing up. Yeah, so this is this is me
taking that opportunity. I stepped away from performing for about
twenty years. Oh wow, because I growing up with you know,
entertainer parents. It's just a different lifestyle and I just
wanted something different from my kids. And so this is
this is me coming back out in my own way,
authentically myself and we are just having a blast.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So for twenty years you didn't perform
at all?
Speaker 10: Is that correct?
Speaker 4: Some some a little bit, but not a lot, and
not a lot professionally. You know, I love karaoking. I
do it all the time. It's just my little extra outlet.
Speaker 5: Sure that. But was was it always kind of in
the back of your mind that you would get back
to it? Or that you would be doing something like
this or has this been kind of a kind of
a twist in your story that you didn't necessarily always
think would happen.
Speaker 4: Oh, this is a huge twist. I was so nervous
coming into this genre, I you know, but everybody has
just welcomed me with open arms, which which has always
been great about you know, metal heads in general, I
feel like they are like the most accepting and so
it's yeah, I am truly blessed with this opportunity. I
could not be more grateful. I'm so excited about it.
These guys just had nothing but faith in me when
I didn't have it in myself.
Speaker 5: So yeah, tell me too about the name because so
the name of the band is Generations, but the way
that it's spelled and Jen, I even I even asked
you in an email for clarification because it's spelled Generation
but I'm sorry, generations but with a Z at the
end and the Z is capitalized. So what is the
significance of that? What does the name mean to you?
Speaker 11: Well, when we started it, we were kind of playing
on our own music, Like I had two other bands
going a time. When we started this thing, we were
playing metal covers, rock cover like, we were playing a
kind of a broad spectrum of music. So I was like, okay,
we just be called Generations. Well then when we looked
up Generations as a band name, there was only one
of them in Florida and it was a cover band
that played you know, so like fifties did a middle
two thousands cover band.
Speaker 2: So we just changed the name that. We changed the
E to.
Speaker 11: A and put a Z on the end of it
and put the little the time capsule deal on the
hour glass on.
Speaker 2: The end of it.
Speaker 11: And yeah, we didn't think about it being called Generation
Z until it got played on Rock Rage Radio the
first time and they.
Speaker 4: Were like generation Z playing Salence and we were.
Speaker 5: Like, oh snack, Yeah, I can see, you can see
where that would happen. But now, so tell us about
the first single, Seance. Uh, A great, great track and
it's very and I really like too by the way,
the production choice with it becomes prominent at the end, uh,
you know, with with the keyboard in there. I just
really like the production of the song. But but tell
us about Seance and and where that song comes from
and what the meaning is behind those lyrics.
Speaker 13: Well, Uh, the kind of the meeting behind it is
more of like a seance that you would kind of
tell yourself to kind of keep yourself centered, keep yourself focused, motivated,
to keep going, and to push out all the the
bs that goes on in live and just kind of
kind of keep yourself self centered.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then like like, what's the so that song
was played on they played that on rock Rade radio?
Speaker 2: Is that.
Speaker 4: It's been on a lot of things? Yeah, Yeah, we've
been on some online radios in the UK pretty much
daily for a couple of months now with Excellent. Yeah,
so it's it's been it's been an amazing journey so far.
Speaker 5: Well, so you're you're off to a great start then,
because you know, like like we were saying that the
project in this iteration is relatively new, right, that's your
first single, So so yeah, you're you're you're off to
a great start. That's got to feel good. No, that's wonderful.
And then what's the live schedule, Like are you playing
a lot of shows? Are you touring or or what's
what's happening there?
Speaker 4: We do have a lot on the books. We we
are actually have the opportunity to play in February in
Saint Louis on the road to Point Best.
Speaker 5: Excellent.
Speaker 4: It's like a battle of the bands to try to
actually get to play Point Fest, which.
Speaker 2: Is one of the which we never heard of that
looked at.
Speaker 11: Point Fest in Saint Louis, Massive, massive festival.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's yeah, geared.
Speaker 4: Up and excited for that. And we have another local
show at Moontown Sound.
Speaker 2: In Springfield. It's really awesome. And then uh, then we
have a show in Columbia.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, we well we've got stuff further out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, out in the area.
Speaker 11: We have stuff in hougust In Columbia, and that's Nebraska.
We've got Texas coming later in the year as well. Yeah,
it's a it's getting pretty wild.
Speaker 4: We are geared up and ready to get out there.
Speaker 5: No, that's excellent. And then so in terms of the
live show, because so far, I mean, do you have
other material that you play live that you haven't recorded yet?
Speaker 4: Absolutely?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, we got a lot of music.
Speaker 5: We have a lot of music of the whole album,
oh fantasy. So you're working on an album now, That's
That's another thing I was going to ask you, because
you know, there's so many different ways to release music now,
A lot of artists will do an album, some will
do an EP, some will just release singles that eventually
coalesce into an EP or an album. But so you've
got you're working on an album currently yep, excellent, excellent.
For the next song, yeah, oh okay, okay, fantastic, same
same studio where you recorded, uh a seance and something
Wicked or.
Speaker 11: Seance shot to my bud Kevin Dunn at Mercenary Studios.
Speaker 2: We tracked that song with him.
Speaker 11: The next batch of songs is done with Jess Smith,
a studio also amazing engineer.
Speaker 5: Okay, something Wicked?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because we just released that.
Speaker 4: We just released that yesterday.
Speaker 5: So yeah, so something Wicked that hasn't Is that not
been heard? Is this the first time that will be
on the radio that track?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 12: Sure, we just released it last night.
Speaker 2: We just released it last night.
Speaker 5: I was gonna say, yeah, that's very new, hot off
the press. Well that's one of I'm glad we're gonna
be the first radio station to play it. That's very cool.
I can I can play my My World premiere bumper
we Love We Love the World premieres around here. That's great. No,
that's another great track, very very strong. I really like
that a lot. And then what what's kind of the
long term trajectory. I mean, you've got a lot going on,
You're working on the album, you're you're, uh, you've got
some some shows lined up. I mean, what what what
do you feel is in the future for for generations?
What's what's kind of the the big goal?
Speaker 11: Well, thin goes just like any other band, you know,
they tried to professionally get it where we can financially
swap over.
Speaker 2: To make enough money make music and.
Speaker 11: Everything else comes along with making music to you know,
feed our families and all that fun stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love perform, Like I said, I mean, it's
it's just it's it's my space. But for me, I'm
just excited to perform. And then then when I realized
I get to make money doing it as well, I'm like,
oh yeah, that's cool. That's a bonus for me. But
like just being able to perform and connect with people
and just that's my favorite.
Speaker 5: So yeah, absolutely one. Now what should we know? So
in a moment, we're going to play this track something
wicked will well, when we wrap up our conversation, we'll
play that to kind of end the segment. But I mean,
what should we know about this before we play it?
You know, we talked about seance, but again, people are
going to be hearing this for the very first time
on the radio. What should we know about this song?
Something wicked?
Speaker 2: It was?
Speaker 13: It was actually kind of inspired.
Speaker 12: We were sitting around Starley Spring. We had some real
nasty weather to weather coming through and we just sent
it to our group chat, texting back and forth and
I just I probably said something wicked. This way goes
and did jebitions like that one makes some really cool solos.
Speaker 2: I'm like, bet so, I sat down start dropping some stuff.
Speaker 4: Down and then it kind of borphed into what we
got here.
Speaker 12: But it all started to get news feed about talking
about the weather.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we really wrote these songs lyrics in our.
Speaker 5: Band chat, no kidding? Oh that scared Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, and I was. I was telling Daniel earlier. Something
I really appreciate about this project and this group of
people is that we are just comfortable with each other.
It's where we give each other the space to be
ourselves individually creatively, and then we come together and it works.
And so when it comes to some of the meetings
for the songs. Also, I think that it resonates differently
with each of us. I was for something wicked. I
have also had some mental health struggles throughout my life,
and I still struggle with PTSD.
Speaker 5: Okay, so I am having.
Speaker 4: A PTSD episode sometimes that turns into like inner rage
that I have to cage. Yeah, and so for me,
that's the something wicked. And so this song particularly is
kind of coping for me. Yeah, that breakdown is so special.
I just love it.
Speaker 5: Anyways, No, I'm glad, I'm glad you. I'm glad you
explained that because something that comes up on the show
a lot is, you know, we talk about taking, taking trauma,
taking PTSD, taking you know, anxiety, depression, whatever, it is,
all these things that that we deal with from a
mental health perspective. When you take something like that and
you create something out of it, you know, you're taking
something that's negative, but you're creating art. So you're creating
something positive out of it that not only not only
does that process hell help you to deal with it,
but it potentially helps other people who also then hear
the song or or look at the painting or whatever
kind of art it is that you're creating. Right, If
other people can also get something out of it, then
you've not only you've not only helped yourself, but you've
helped others and you've done so with something that comes
from from pain and trauma. So I think that's I
think that's always a wonderful thing when you can do that.
So I'm glad you explained that well.
Speaker 4: And art I think is the greatest form of self expression. Yes,
obviously is my favorite, but I also think that it's
the greatest form of self expression. And of course it's
something that all human beings relate to and that's what
I do it for. That's what I love so much
about it, and these guys too.
Speaker 2: And so if you know.
Speaker 13: Why we're here, well you also get to make those
connections with people that you might not have made it
any other way.
Speaker 5: So I mean, look here we are talking with you
exactly exactly well, so I'm looking forward to playing that
track and sharing it with everybody. But before we let
you all go, So, where's the best place to go
online to keep up with everything that the band is doing?
Where should people go online?
Speaker 4: Pretty much everywhere the band's on Instagram and Facebook, of course,
we have our YouTube page. I have personal pages on
TikTok and Twitter or I guess it's x now and Facebook, Instagram.
You'll just find us.
Speaker 12: Anywhere, okay, Oh yeah, we'll talk on all the platform
definitely is a YouTube music Spotify.
Speaker 2: Where do you get band or so?
Speaker 4: We do have a website too, Oh.
Speaker 5: Yes, I'm looking at that now.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Generations dotnoisyard dot com. You can find everything there. A
lot of good information about the band there actually, so
that's great up and your music is there too, outstanding
our YouTube videos.
Speaker 4: You can purchase merche well, we haven't got it set
fully yet, but eventually you'll see all our shows like
this is everything Generation.
Speaker 5: Yeah, excellent, excellent, all right, So in a moment, so
we'll let you go so we can hit this track again,
the world radio premiere of Something Wicked, the brand new
track from Generations. But I want to thank you all
for joining us this morning. It's wonderful to talk with you,
and we'll definitely do this again in the future as
you're releasing new music. We'd love to have you back on.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, you got it, all right, We'll talk to you soon.
Take care, bye bye, all right, so that is Generations,
and right now it's the world radio premiere of the
new track from Generations, something Wicked.
Speaker 2: You are listening to.
Speaker 1: T wuminh.
Speaker 5: World premiere.
Speaker 7: Ruby now lasses General and I am still here no more.
Speaker 6: No more.
Speaker 10: Lin the match and washing.
Speaker 7: Smells him both at this aspire.
Speaker 1: I have heard your name, snap of comand.
Speaker 4: Snow well left to.
Speaker 1: Hope your head and the party see snow.
Speaker 5: I'll come on.
Speaker 1: It's no weather to.
Speaker 6: Honey's trust me gun about something rigging this way?
Speaker 1: H M well side that's come toosing. Let me trustfer.
I can't see hit your turn watching off.
Speaker 7: You laugh, lad, I said to you broke me just
falling up from head on.
Speaker 6: Scream from me, h nos, snow of coming.
Speaker 1: Snorwell left to hope you'll head.
Speaker 7: And hearty just begun, snow coming.
Speaker 1: Snowwell up to.
Speaker 6: Heartey shall be gone out something wacket this wedding.
Speaker 1: Come now I'll come and no man, love you hold
your head and Honey's first be snaw snow to Honey's
just be good. That's something we need this way.
Speaker 5: There's the world radio premiere of the new track from
Generations that is called something Wicked. You heard it here
first on Matt Connerton Unleashed here on WMNH ninety five
point three FM. And thank you again to gen X
and the all the members of Generations who joined us
this morning. It was wonderful to speak with them. I'm
sure we'll do it again in the future. She's got
an interesting history having It's funny because, yeah, it didn't
even occur to me. You know, Springfield, it's right near Branson,
and you know, and then you know she was not
doing anything with music for twenty years, and that's pretty interesting. Yeah,
but we've got let's see, whoops, I actually just accidentally
closed one of the links you sent me, so let's
look at this one first. We got a couple music
news items. Let's see. This is courtesy of you found
this one on Digital Music digitalmusicnews dot com. Los Lobos
files dual lawsuits against Sony Music and Sony Pictures over
alleged non payment of royalties from films. Now I have
not pre read this, but when you said this to me,
when you mentioned that there was this news about Los Lobos,
my first thought was LaBamba. Yeah, because that's what everyone
thinks of. Of course, when you think of Los Lobos,
you think of La Bamba, you think of not only
the song obviously LaBamba, but the movie about Richie Vallence.
Because that's how Los Lobos in the eighties, that's how
they became famous was because of that song. That's I mean,
I don't know if they really even have any other
mainstream Billboard Hot one hundred hit songs necessarily, but that's
the one everybody thinks of.
Speaker 10: You want a quick perusal here, I'm not so sure.
Oh yeah, no, it is in part the LaBamba soundtrack, Okay.
But also it looks like there might have been a
film done in Canada. I'm sorry what there might have
been another film done in Canada? Song?
Speaker 5: Oh oh in Canada. Well, let's see again. This is
from Digital Musicnews dot com. Los Lobos sues Sony Music
and Sony Pictures in two separate lawsuits alleging non payment
of royalties for songs featured in the films LaBamba and Desperado.
Oh that's right, okay, Desperado with Antonio Benderas. That's a
that's a goot about that. That's an underrated movie. That's
a really good movie.
Speaker 10: I haven't watched that in a long time.
Speaker 5: Actually, yeah, that's really good uh. Los Angeles band Los Lobos,
issuing Sony Music and Sony Pictures for two separate instances,
alleging the company underpaid streaming royalties for the group's recordings
used in the nineteen eighty seven Richie Vallens biopic LaBamba
and the nineteen to ninety five Antonio Banderas Western film Desperado.
According to the lawsuit, which the band initially filed in
California state court before Sony filed to move it to
New York federal court, Sony owes a combined total of
at least one point five million dollars in contractual damages.
In both instances. Los Lobos accuses Sony of failing to
pay royalties for the streaming use of their recordings in
these two films in any country outside the US and Canada.
Speaker 10: Okay, now I get it.
Speaker 5: Specifically, the suit against Sony Music Entertainment focuses on unpaid
royalties for the song I don't uh Cancion.
Speaker 10: I feel like I'm gonna murder it if I try
to say.
Speaker 5: It, Kencion del Mariachi.
Speaker 10: You're probably closer than I would have said.
Speaker 5: Maybe, featured in the movie Desperado. Los Lobos alleges that
neither Sony nor its imprint Milan Records have paid any
streaming royalties globally for the track's use Sucker, despite its
recent surgeon popularity as a walkout anthem for Mma Fighter
Ilia l Mattador Topouria, Topouria.
Speaker 10: That explains the resurgence.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, in that instance, the band is seeking at
least half a million dollars for alleged breach of contract
and requests a formal accounting of damages owed. I need
to gulp of my water here.
Speaker 10: I didn't think about those coming back for streaming, like
when you first brought it up. I'm like, yeah, but
this was back in the eighties, right, The thing is
too now, I didn't think about the streaming aspect.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 5: The thing is when you think about in the music industry,
when you think about how complicated it gets in terms
of paying royalties for publishing and all of it, performance royalties,
mechanical royalties, everything that goes into it, then take that
and compound it with how complicated it gets and how
complicated it's always gotten. When you talk about soundtracks for films,
then it gets a whole new level of complicated and
that seems to have reared its head here. So the
lawsuit says, quote, despite the specific knowledge that the popularity
of the recording was spiking and reaching new audiences, Sony
and its affiliate Imprint Milan still paid nothing, nothing to
Los Lobos for streaming and continues to pay nothing for
streaming anywhere in the world for any time period.
Speaker 10: I because some people lead by example. Yeah, we're just
gonna keep using it. We're gonna ignore you.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 10: I so hate that. It's not like they they didn't
give him anything, nothing that one dime.
Speaker 5: That's what they claim.
Speaker 2: Wrong.
Speaker 10: You have this music without the artists.
Speaker 5: Right, says Los Lobos also sued Sony Pictures and its
subsidiary Columbia Pictures for allegedly unpaid royalties stemming from the
La Bamba soundtrack, which features several Los Lobos covers, including
Richie Vallen's LaBamba. Their version spent several weeks at number
one on the Billboard Hot one hundred. I think Los
Lobos did the entire soundtrack, if I'm not mistaken thought
they did.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 10: I'm not surprised at all by any of this.
Speaker 5: No, not one iota, no, none of this is surprising.
Speaker 10: And we know what also complicates a lot of this too,
is that each individual state has its own laws as
far as like right of succession. Somebody passes away, who
owns it right. So it gets even more convoluted when
you look at the fact that not only is it
so grotesquely full of crazy contracts whatever federal laws, but
each individual state laws and where it signed matters.
Speaker 5: That is true, That is true.
Speaker 10: It kills me. The Lobama was so long ago that
they'd have to.
Speaker 5: Fight for that money. It doesn't surprise me, though.
Speaker 10: It kills me. I'd say surprised, is it? It kills me.
It's like a classic based on true story.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 10: Ah, that's just that's just so wrong. Yeah, it's always
the artist. It's always the artist that's getting ripped off
by these companies.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, they're the ones who get paid last.
Speaker 10: Which is so wrong. They should be the ones paid first.
Speaker 5: You know, they're they're at the end of the they're
at the end of the food chain. Yeah, says here, Oh,
let's look at uh yeah, we'll go on to the
next thing. This is from musicnews dot Com. Uh Salt
and Pepa's lawsuit against Universal Music group has been dismissed.
Speaking of we.
Speaker 10: Talked about this when they first filed it.
Speaker 5: We did, but we also it occurs to me, you know,
we were talking earlier about when we talked about the
Ticketmaster lawsuit, how Ticketmasters seems like they're always involved in
some sort of litigation. But uh, Universal Music Group also
seems to always be involved in some sort of litigation.
It says, yeah, says here a judge is thrown out
Salt and Pepa's lawsuit against Universal Music. The suit sought
to retake control of the hip hop duo's master recordings.
Ryl Salt James and Sandra Pepa. Denton attempted to exercise
their so called termination rights under section two oh three
of the Copyright Act, under which artists can draw can
claw back they're masters decades after signing away the copyrights.
By the way, for anyone who doesn't know, I know
a lot of industry people listen to the show. But
if you don't know, when we talk about the masters
means the master recordings, the original recordings that were done
of these. You know, if you're if you're a recording artist,
you ideally you want to own your master recordings.
Speaker 10: He who owns the master owns the song?
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, so this is what they were trying to do.
They were trying to take take back control. But again
this was a thing where because I remember the original
story about this, when the lawsuit was filed, it got
complicated about who actually owned the masters, because it it
wasn't as simple as they were trying to get their
masters back from UMG. There was this also this other
thing about somebody owned part of the masters or owned
all the masters, like a former manager of theirs or something.
It was this whole convoluted thing.
Speaker 10: Interesting though how this pans out though, because it said
that with their original contract that it was in the
contract that the copyrights would revert back to them after
thirty five years. Yes, but then when you go to
the contract, UMG said, well, Salt and Pepper didn't actually
sign it, oh, right, in nineteen eighty six. Right, they
didn't actually sign the nineteen eighty six record deal with
Imprint Next Plateau Records. So though apparently they thought they did,
and they thought they had this contract, u UMG has
somehow found this loophole and said, oh, well they didn't
actually sign it. And the judge went, oh, just missed
the whole thing, and that's so wrong. In my book,
that is so wrong. That is so wrong. A lot
of these artists too, especially back in the day. You know,
before the Internet, it was really hard for artists to
get any attention. It's so much easier now, not that
it's I shouldn't say easy. Music is more accessible, artistry
is more accessible to the world. Because of the Internet,
people can get their voice out there, even on their own.
You can self publish a book, you can produce and
put your own music out. Back in the day, back
in the eighties, you had to get bound. You had
to find something somebody who would take a notice of you,
and it would It was beyond rare to be noticed
that if somebody did. That level of excitement at that
young age is like, oh my god, we got a
record contract. Who you don't lose your mind. And I
honestly believe that they wholeheartedly believed and had a contract
at that time. I don't know what this is or
but I feel like there's some loophole here because that
one sentence doesn't give me enough information. Yeah, that they
got to take a walk away with all of their artistry,
all of their work and say too bad too, sad,
thirty five years wind have gone by, but we're still
not going to give it back to you because we
want to make as much money off of you as possible,
and they didn't. Right now, the artist is completely left
out in the cold, your creation, your artistry, your heart
and soul, and you don't get nothing, but the multi
billion dollar company does.
Speaker 5: So it says James who assault. Cheryl James told Good
Morning America in August, quote, when you're an artist in
the beginning, you sign a contract saying that the copyrights
will revert back to you after thirty five years. And
we've done all the things legally to get our copyrights back,
but they're just refusing. So we had to see them unquote.
Denton and James further claimed UMG had removed some of
their biggest hits, including push It, from streaming platforms, amid
the legal fight.
Speaker 10: Retaliated against them. Yeah, so they couldn't make money off
of their more popular They're hugely popularis slung push It?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 10: That see to add insult to injury.
Speaker 5: Wow, Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 10: Going to be a special kind of awful human for that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's clearly a retaliatory, UMG mentioned I'm sorry. UMG
maintained that Salt and Peppa did not have the termination
rights because they didn't actually sign their nineteen eighty six
record deal with Imprint next Plateau Records.
Speaker 10: Did a manager sign for them?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 7: Like this?
Speaker 10: This is something here? Yeah, because if that was, if
that was the flat out case all this time, they
would have brought that out a long time ago. They
found some kind of loophole. Maybe the manager signed it
and not specifically the girls, So they're using that as
a loophole of some kind. There's got to be more
to that part. There has to be. This has been
going on for too long for that to suddenly come
out now. I feel like there has to be a
loophole they're using.
Speaker 5: Maybe I'm wrong, what so, how how do they even
This is what I don't get. If they if they
never signed the contract, then then that means there is
no contract, right? So what am I missing here?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 10: How come they don't own this stuff anyway because they
never signed a deal to give it to somebody else?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 10: True? The other side of the coin? Yeah, yeah, you
got a good point.
Speaker 5: How does that work?
Speaker 10: But the judge just at hand. Now we don't know
if he dismissed it with prejudice or not. We just
know that he dismissed the entire case.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it says Judge Denise Cody sided with UMG on
Thursday and dismissed the claims entirely as a result of
these findings. In a statement shared with Billboard, a UMG
spokesperson said the company has gratified that the court dismissed
this baseless lawsuit. Salt and Peppa have the right to
appeal the dismissal order if they choose to do so.
Speaker 10: Baseless lawsuit, baseless, it's their artistry. How dare you?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 10: How dare you?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 10: This is the big billion dollar company that's got every
rich lawyer at their disposal, with all kinds of resources
against a couple of artists who probably don't make a
heck of a lot offer their music that's streaming insult
to injury. All this time, they've been looking forward to
having their music back thirty five years, waiting for the day,
waiting for the day, And the day finally comes and
the billion dollar industry found a way to get them
yet again. It's so wrong. It's so wrong. It's always
the artist to get the crappy end of the stick
because they can't afford to put up the fights that
these companies can. It's David and Goliath in a lot
of these situations.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, So we got a little bit of time left.
We'll we'll, we'll do this. We should talk about the
Gene Simmons, the latest.
Speaker 10: I'm wondering if you were good at it?
Speaker 5: Per fuffl into that. So regular listeners, longtime listeners of
the show. Now, Kiss is my my all time favorite band.
But Jene Simmons, for as long as I can remember,
has had these moments where he upsets people. Here's the
latest little controversy and it involves Peter Cris and the
song Beth. Everybody knows that song Beth. I hear you calling,
all right? So this is from Parade dot com, who,
by the way, shame on parade dot com because in
the uh the picture that they used is not in
the headline. They used a picture of Eric Carr, not
Peter Cris. Eric Carr is not the original singer of Beth.
Peter Cris is, but they use the wrong drummer. Wow
replaced Peter Chris.
Speaker 10: That's really that's a really shoddy journal.
Speaker 5: Really sloppy, really sloppy. All right, here's here's what the
article says. In nineteen seventy six, Kiss released what would
become their biggest hit song, Beth, the power rock ballad
I wouldn't call it a power rock ballad, appeared on
the glam band's fourth studio at Destroyer and started out
as the B side to Detroit Rock City, which is
which is true, which is interesting, and this is not
you know, this has happened with other hit songs. But
but yeah, a lot of people might not know that
Beth was actually the B side. Beth was never intended
to be the single. And you know the reason Beth
was the B side is because, and I remember noticing
this when I was a kid. You know, singles would
usually have on the A side would be what was
supposed to be the single, and the B side would
usually be actually one of the weakest tracks on the
album because they would always record labels would always make
sure that the B side was a song that they
didn't think had any chance. They didn't want the B
side to be something they might want to release as
a single later because so they would put what they
considered to be a throwaway track as the B side,
At least in America. British bands have a history of
actually recording a separate song for the B side that
isn't on the album, so it's kind of like a
bonus track.
Speaker 10: But that's but that which I think is cooler.
Speaker 5: Oh me too, But that was not the case in America.
Hasn't been the case in America generally, so so the
B side to Detroit Rock City. Everyone knows the song
Detroit Rock City, but the B side was Beth. So
Beth reached number seven on the Billboard Hot one hundred
and won the People's Choice Award for Favorite New Song
of nineteen seventy six. In a post on his official website,
Chris Peter Cris has touted Beth as Kiss his biggest hit.
He added that the People's Choice honor was his favorite
award because the people voted, and he's even prouder of
the song decades later than he was in nineteen seventy six.
But in a January twenty twenty sixth interview with the
Professor of Rock podcast Kiss co founder Gene Simmons downplayed
Peter Cris's involvement with the hit song. Now, part of
this story already knew, but part of it I, as
well as I think most Kiss fans, was hearing for
the first time. Okay, here's what Jean Simmons said.
Speaker 2: Quote.
Speaker 5: The history of Beth is that Peter and I were
in a limo and he starts humming. I'm like, that's
a nice melody.
Speaker 2: What is that?
Speaker 5: He goes, Oh, it's a song I wrote called Beck
because we had started working with Bob Ezrin. I said,
why don't you bring up that song? By the way,
what are the chords to that? He goes, oh, I
don't know. I thought that was peculiar, But before then
I suggested in the car, why don't you change it
to Beth, because when you say Beck, that hard syllable
stops the melody, and Beth is a much more romantic
idea unquote. By the way, in another interview, Gen Simmons
had once said about that specific moment, because this is
part of the story already had heard, and this is
part of the story that's been consistent over the years,
that they were in a limo and Jean said to Peter, Hey,
that's interesting. What's that, and Peter said it's beck And
but the previous version of the story, Jean said, he
suggests these are his exact words. He said, Oh, why
don't you make it instead of back?
Speaker 8: What?
Speaker 5: Oh, that's right, I remember now he said to Peter
beck what is that about?
Speaker 7: Is that?
Speaker 5: Is it about Jeff beck And?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 5: And Peter said no, no, it's about Becky because I
guess I was friend and and then Jean said, well,
I'm wondering that you should instead of back, maybe you
should change it to Beth so that people don't think
you're playing for the other team. Those Jean's words. That's
how he plays. Yeah, yeah, but anyway, but but so
that's but that's the basic story, the basic story.
Speaker 10: Okay, well, what did did Peter ever give his side
of that? I don't he ever say that conversation didn't
happen or it did happen.
Speaker 5: No, I've never heard Peter dispute any of that. But
he's But here's where it gets interesting. So here's here's
what Jean said on the on the podcast, he said,
it's time for the truth. Peter does not write songs.
He doesn't play a musical instrument. Drums are not a
music instrument by definition. As far as I know, Peter
plays no other instruments that I've ever seen, not keyboards,
extreme instruments. Peter's got a very Peter's got a great
whisky voice in the early days, had a great whisky voice.
He said, this is the important part. The person who
wrote Beth is a guy named stan Pendrich. Stan Pendrich
was with Peter in a group called Chelsea. They had
a record out, actually it was on MCA. So Peter
did not write Beth. Stan Pendrich wrote that, but through
politics and hint hint, nudge, nudge, And I wasn't there
when the conversation went down. Stan Pendrich apparently agreed that
Peter's name would go in the songwriting credit. It appears
first Peter, Chris bob Ezrin, Stan Pendrich or the other
way around. But Peter's first. Peter had nothing to do
with that song. He sang it. In other words, he
had nothing to do with writing it.
Speaker 10: I'd like to know what any of those people have
to say.
Speaker 5: Well, Pendrich died in two thousand and one, so we'll
never get his story, but say that he's not a musicianist,
so oh well, what he said and they didn't include
the full quote here. So what he actually said is
he said drums are not a musical instrument. They're a
percussive instrument, which is nitpicking and insulting. So Gene was
definitely out of line for saying that. That's a that's
a crazy thing to say. Now, this is the part,
the part that I did not know. So because everyone
knows the song Beth, but I'll just play for anyone
who doesn't, I'll just play a little bit of it.
But then, this is the part that blew my mind
was when I found the Chelsea version. I actually went
and listened to the Chelsea version of Beth. We'll go
ahead and play a little bit of this, but then
then we'll play the Chelsea version.
Speaker 10: You call in but I can't come home and Chelsea
in the balls.
Speaker 5: No, this is the Kiss version. Oh okay, throw me up,
like really, yeah no, this is the Kiss version.
Speaker 6: Just a few.
Speaker 1: To you.
Speaker 2: Band?
Speaker 10: What can I do?
Speaker 6: What can.
Speaker 5: Okay? So that's that's Beth by Kiss with with Peter singing. Now,
this is what I had never heard before. This is Chelsea.
This is Beck. It's called Beck, and the band is Chelsea.
And this is the band that Stan Pendrich was in.
Again he's dead, so nobody can get his side of
things from from Uh, this is this is the original,
this blew my mind from from when Peter and Stan
Pendrich were in a band together called Chelsea.
Speaker 1: Call it but I can't all right now.
Speaker 2: In the Vegan but we're just jam bout that sound.
Speaker 10: I won't you wad o.
Speaker 2: Hour in a rod rad.
Speaker 5: And man.
Speaker 1: But then.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's definitely the same song.
Speaker 10: Sean sour because this is the song that got real.
That's the number one. No, I don't think he cares
about that, and it wasn't one he wrote.
Speaker 5: I don't I don't think. I don't think that's why
do you think he's so sour part of his I
don't think he's I don't think he's soured necessarily.
Speaker 10: I think he just hateful things. After somebody dies.
Speaker 5: Well, you're now you're conflating with U A.
Speaker 10: But he don't find it. You don't find it odd
that they're happening so close together that he dies and
now suddenly we're hearing this about Peter.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 5: No, it's Jean's Uh, it's very on brand for Gene
he's been doing this for decades.
Speaker 10: Making a lot of enemies.
Speaker 5: Well he does, yeah, but why why do this?
Speaker 10: Why why do this? It's such a great Now does
this nastiness about it? Or is he trying to garner
more money by creating controversy.
Speaker 4: I think he.
Speaker 5: I think he likes being in the news certainly, But we.
Speaker 10: Say, we should say the podcast is the professor of rock.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, But I mean he's not wrong though here, Like,
I had no idea.
Speaker 10: See this to me.
Speaker 5: As a as a Kiss fan, this is very interesting
to me. I'm actually glad. I mean, I don't agree
with what he said about Peter doesn't play a musical
instrument and all that. That's absurd, it's mean, but but
it is mean, and I don't know that he intended
it that way. But but I had no idea. I
had never heard. I knew, I mean, you know, obviously
I know a lot about Kiss, and I knew that
Peter Chris was in a band called Chelsea with Stan Pendrich.
That's all I knew.
Speaker 10: I had no idea that he was involved at all
with this song. You thought this song came from Kiss.
Speaker 5: Right, I didn't know. Well, I knew that San Pendrich
was because he has a songwriter.
Speaker 10: Writer, but it was Kiss that did it first. That
there wasn't a band that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I had no idea this song Beck by Chelsea existed.
And by the way I'm looking at this, I just
I found it on YouTube. This was posted on YouTube
fourteen years ago, and I had no idea until now.
Doesn't the guy kind of sound like Rod Stewart, Well,
that's Peter singing on.
Speaker 10: It the way. I don't know, maybe it just sounds
like ro Well.
Speaker 5: Well, Peter sounds like Rod Stewart, He's got that same
kind of voice. Yeah, yeah, that's why there's this there's
this weird story that's gone around for decades that we
even talked about it. I'm not sure if we talked
about it on air or off air, but it was
on Retrospectrum Radio one night. We were talking about how
I think we talked about it on air, this this
story about Beth, that that it was actually written for
Rod Stewart, oh, and that and that he rejected it
because it sounded too much like Maggie May. But I
don't believe that story anymore anyway. I don't even if
he's halfway believed that. You can't believe it anymore. Yeah,
I don't believe that story anyway, right, because that doesn't
even make sense. Why would you know? Why would why
do that? I think I think the way that story started.
This is my theory. I think that back when when
Beth came out, a lot of people probably thought, oh,
that kind of uh, that kind of reminds me of
Rod Stewart, and so then it just became this thing.
You know some yeah, people just write an urban legend exactly.
But uh, but no, uh, that that is the same song.
I mean, there's no getting around that.
Speaker 10: The revelation about the song fine and acknowledging that it
came from another band could be very good, But to
do so in the same breath as just being rotten.
I'm sorry, it's rotten. I think drummers and musicians, of course,
and I think their drums are there their instrument that
I don't understand that one either musical instrument versus percussion instrument.
They both have instrument in the sentence, So how.
Speaker 5: Is yeah, how do you how do you explain that way?
I understand what he's saying, I just don't.
Speaker 10: I don't agree, don't agree I think drums is one
of the hardest things to learn because all your limbs
are moving in different directions. And then some of the
people we watch, like under the Horizon singing at the
same time, Oh by god, oh yeah, both legs are going,
the arms are going, and singing versus screaming, all in
the same It's amazing talent, it's and they're incredibly musicians.
And to cut them off at the knees and call them,
you know, anything other, or make them less than anybody
playing any other instrument, whether it's a guitar or whatever,
it kind of gives that feeling of a drummer being
less than the guitarist or the bassist. And I don't
I don't like that at all. I think it's pretty
cold and rude and wrong. And I guess, like you said,
in keeping with his style.
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, we gotta go. Thank you everybody who
joined us today. And I thought it was a fun show.
Uh Paul Zola, I'm sure I'm not saying his name correctly.
Of course, we had the members of Generations join us
and in the first hour, of course, Uh sick dude.
Hell yeah, love those guys. I love their music and
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Speaker 8: When I was a boy, all I think about this
was a stupid boy that I was. When I was
a kid, I got my face up there not toilets
with the geese out. Damn. I wasn't always a stoop pump,
but when I was, I was a jump I didn't
always look as I used to laugh and go filled.
Speaker 9: With us.
Speaker 8: I remember roll the Man times and picks them along.
It feels like someone that's stopping their tack fuck off.
Speaker 6: Of my arm.
Speaker 5: Right, don't you miss Side Go where no scene down?
Speaker 1: Bobby roll up Live? I ride? Do you Missie Go?
Speaker 5: Where no scene down?
Speaker 1: A bom me roll up live.
Speaker 8: Y. When I was in school, didn't make good grades,
I was, yes, still being numb fool when I was
still young