WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:01.040 Now one of your pudding. 2 00:00:01.919 --> 00:00:04.320 I got a string going on here, something just because 3 00:00:04.480 --> 00:00:04.879 my dog. 4 00:00:05.160 --> 00:00:07.320 Something killed your dog? My dog. 5 00:00:07.360 --> 00:00:08.960 We're flying through the air over the tree. 6 00:00:09.039 --> 00:00:09.599 I don't know. 7 00:00:09.519 --> 00:00:14.759 How it did it, Okay, Damn, I'm really confused. All 8 00:00:14.880 --> 00:00:15.880 I saw was my dog. 9 00:00:15.720 --> 00:00:17.519 Coming over the fence and he was dead. And once 10 00:00:17.519 --> 00:00:18.000 you hit the. 11 00:00:17.920 --> 00:00:19.359 Ground like, I didn't see any cars. 12 00:00:19.359 --> 00:00:37.880 All I saw was my dog coming over the fence. Sat, 13 00:00:38.240 --> 00:00:43.320 what are you putting? We got some wonder or something crawling. 14 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:43.759 Around out here? 15 00:00:50.719 --> 00:00:51.920 Did you see what it was? 16 00:00:51.719 --> 00:00:52.240 Or was it was? 17 00:00:52.320 --> 00:00:54.719 Standing enough? I'm out here looking through the window now 18 00:00:54.719 --> 00:00:58.960 and I don't see anything. I don't want to go outside, Jesus. 19 00:00:58.719 --> 00:00:59.560 Quice you better. 20 00:01:01.840 --> 00:01:04.799 Hello, hit the boddy out here? 21 00:01:05.079 --> 00:01:07.359 What's quo on out? I thought of a bit about 22 00:01:07.480 --> 00:01:10.480 text forty nine? I don't know easy announ there. Yeah, 23 00:01:10.480 --> 00:01:12.640 I'm walking right yuh, All. 24 00:01:12.519 --> 00:01:14.079 Our folks on walk of our guest to the show. 25 00:01:14.079 --> 00:01:16.640 It is Angie from Arkansas. Welcome to the show. 26 00:01:16.680 --> 00:01:18.200 Angie, Thank you, Hi. 27 00:01:18.799 --> 00:01:20.959 Let's get right into it. Let's talk about this bigfoot thing. 28 00:01:21.200 --> 00:01:23.519 What gag you interested in the subject to begin with? 29 00:01:24.159 --> 00:01:27.000 I got interested in the subject mostly from experiences I 30 00:01:27.079 --> 00:01:29.719 had I'm a child of the seventies, and it seemed 31 00:01:29.760 --> 00:01:32.879 that Bigfoot was around quite a bit in the seventies 32 00:01:32.879 --> 00:01:35.719 on TV shows, and that's where I first learned of 33 00:01:36.239 --> 00:01:39.120 it and the word Bigfoot. But none of that came 34 00:01:39.200 --> 00:01:40.959 upto play till much later on in my life. But 35 00:01:41.000 --> 00:01:42.439 I've always been aware of it. 36 00:01:42.840 --> 00:01:44.519 I know you're here to talk about a ton of 37 00:01:44.560 --> 00:01:46.680 experiences that you've had with these things over the years. 38 00:01:46.920 --> 00:01:48.519 Why don't you take us back to where you were, 39 00:01:48.560 --> 00:01:50.200 what you were doing, and tell us what happened to you. 40 00:01:50.680 --> 00:01:55.480 Okay, So my first encounter in the mid nineteen eighties. 41 00:01:55.959 --> 00:01:58.560 I was a teenager at the time here in Arkansas. 42 00:01:59.040 --> 00:02:01.519 Where we lived was in a little place called Motinee. 43 00:02:01.599 --> 00:02:03.599 It's like a suburb of the town I live in. 44 00:02:04.040 --> 00:02:07.159 Just by the lake. There was a giant hill that's 45 00:02:07.200 --> 00:02:10.039 behind our house. We lived in a mobile home at 46 00:02:10.039 --> 00:02:12.919 the time. It was a mobile home park, but it 47 00:02:12.960 --> 00:02:15.919 wasn't a very big mobile home park. It was probably about, 48 00:02:15.960 --> 00:02:18.479 I don't know, fifteen of them in a row, and 49 00:02:18.560 --> 00:02:21.560 behind all of us was a big old mountain. Never 50 00:02:21.719 --> 00:02:24.680 went up. The mountain always got weird vibes from the mountain. 51 00:02:24.840 --> 00:02:28.080 Don't know why. As a child, but nobody ever climbed 52 00:02:28.080 --> 00:02:30.039 that mountain, even the other people in the trailer park. 53 00:02:30.039 --> 00:02:32.120 You never saw anybody on the mountain, and there was 54 00:02:32.199 --> 00:02:34.439 kids everywhere, so it's weird. It was not developed. It 55 00:02:34.560 --> 00:02:38.159 was this total raw land. As teenagers, you're always looking 56 00:02:38.199 --> 00:02:41.879 for other teenagers. We had a hangout spot at the lake. 57 00:02:41.919 --> 00:02:44.400 We always called it the Point. The reason why we 58 00:02:44.439 --> 00:02:46.199 would hang out at the point is to get away 59 00:02:46.240 --> 00:02:49.199 from a family, But it was a perfect little place 60 00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:53.000 because it was roughly a five minute walk from our 61 00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:55.879 trailer to the lake. It was just a stretch of 62 00:02:56.000 --> 00:02:59.120 land that would vary in size depending that the lake 63 00:02:59.159 --> 00:03:01.759 was high or low with the time. One day we 64 00:03:01.759 --> 00:03:04.719 were down at the point, me and two other people. 65 00:03:05.400 --> 00:03:08.159 We were just hanging out. I don't know if we 66 00:03:08.159 --> 00:03:10.879 were swimming, how long we had been there. Too much 67 00:03:10.879 --> 00:03:13.719 time has gone by. I don't remember some of those details, 68 00:03:14.240 --> 00:03:15.800 but I just know that we were sitting there at 69 00:03:15.840 --> 00:03:18.560 the point. Now, at the point, like I said, it 70 00:03:18.639 --> 00:03:20.960 was the lake and there was a big grouping of 71 00:03:21.199 --> 00:03:25.319 woods between the lake and the highway that kind of 72 00:03:25.319 --> 00:03:28.879 buffered the point from the highway. Then past the highway 73 00:03:29.199 --> 00:03:32.240 was just another hill that was developed but not very much. 74 00:03:32.319 --> 00:03:35.000 It was still pretty raw land. So we're sitting there 75 00:03:35.039 --> 00:03:37.719 at the point behind where that little section of woods 76 00:03:37.919 --> 00:03:40.840 that buffered us from the road. We were sitting there 77 00:03:40.879 --> 00:03:43.879 just chilling. All of a sudden, rocks started flying at us. 78 00:03:44.400 --> 00:03:47.439 We could not see the road because of that stretch 79 00:03:47.479 --> 00:03:50.439 of section of woods that was in between us. We 80 00:03:50.599 --> 00:03:52.639 sort yelling up there, hey, knock it off, you're going 81 00:03:52.719 --> 00:03:56.439 to hit us. Stop it. Rocks keep coming. They weren't 82 00:03:56.680 --> 00:04:00.719 big rocks, they were probably pebble size, but just enough 83 00:04:00.759 --> 00:04:03.280 to know that something is being thrown at you. We 84 00:04:03.360 --> 00:04:05.199 just kept saying stop it, knock it off, you're going 85 00:04:05.280 --> 00:04:08.400 to hit us, and it just weren't stop. Now. It 86 00:04:08.479 --> 00:04:10.719 wasn't like a barrage of rocks. We weren't going to 87 00:04:10.800 --> 00:04:14.199 war zone or anything, but they would come about every 88 00:04:14.759 --> 00:04:17.560 minute or so. Enough time went by and we just 89 00:04:17.639 --> 00:04:20.839 finally ended up leaving within the following days. We were 90 00:04:20.839 --> 00:04:23.519 telling the other people who would hang out with us, 91 00:04:23.560 --> 00:04:25.759 who weren't there with us that day, Hey, why were 92 00:04:25.759 --> 00:04:28.560 you throwing rocks at us? That's not cool. They were like, 93 00:04:28.720 --> 00:04:30.759 we weren't throwing no rocks at you, guys. We didn't 94 00:04:30.800 --> 00:04:32.519 even know you guys were there. They were like, no, seriously, 95 00:04:32.560 --> 00:04:34.959 we weren't throwing rocks at you. Guys. They swore up 96 00:04:35.000 --> 00:04:38.000 and down they were not the ones throwing rocks. So 97 00:04:38.759 --> 00:04:42.439 that in itself seems innocent enough. But we never found 98 00:04:42.480 --> 00:04:44.639 out what was throwing rocks at us, and it never 99 00:04:44.920 --> 00:04:48.519 happened again. It was just that one time. So just 100 00:04:48.519 --> 00:04:50.240 to give a little bit more of a lay of 101 00:04:50.279 --> 00:04:53.000 the land, if we're at the point, if you look 102 00:04:53.079 --> 00:04:57.959 behind us, it's all wood and there's more mountains behind us. Now, 103 00:04:58.000 --> 00:05:01.519 some of the woods were developed, there were housing, but 104 00:05:01.600 --> 00:05:06.000 it was still very little. But diagonal to us was 105 00:05:06.040 --> 00:05:10.360 the mountain that was behind our trailer homework, which was undeveloped. 106 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:14.000 There were still patches of big wilderness, but the spot 107 00:05:14.040 --> 00:05:17.040 that we were at was in between those, which will 108 00:05:17.079 --> 00:05:20.720 make sense later on. So that's it on my first experience. 109 00:05:21.319 --> 00:05:25.319 The next experience I had was we would always while 110 00:05:25.319 --> 00:05:28.160 we were sitting in our trailer house, we would always 111 00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:32.879 be hearing footsteps outside. Now, I don't know if that 112 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:35.439 sounds weird or not. It sounds weird to me because 113 00:05:35.480 --> 00:05:37.000 I know, if I'm sitting in my house right now, 114 00:05:37.040 --> 00:05:39.560 if somebody's out in my yard, walking around. I'm not 115 00:05:39.600 --> 00:05:41.680 going to hear them. I'm not going to hear their footsteps. 116 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:43.879 I'll only know if they're there if I look out 117 00:05:43.879 --> 00:05:45.920 the window, or if they make some big sound or 118 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:49.240 doorbell or whatever. But just somebody walking by your house 119 00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:51.920 in your grass, you're not going to hear that. But 120 00:05:52.000 --> 00:05:56.720 I would hear that frequently at that trailer house, and 121 00:05:56.759 --> 00:05:58.800 it was only when I was in the back of 122 00:05:58.839 --> 00:06:03.519 the trailer. So most trailers are just gigantic rectangles. And 123 00:06:03.600 --> 00:06:06.240 in the particular trailer we had, there was a bedroom 124 00:06:06.319 --> 00:06:09.639 in the far right of the trailer and the other 125 00:06:09.680 --> 00:06:12.160 bedroom was at the far left, so the butt ends 126 00:06:12.199 --> 00:06:15.199 of the rectangle were the bedrooms. So the bedroom at 127 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:18.839 the butt end next to the mountain was originally the 128 00:06:18.920 --> 00:06:22.360 kids room. We'd be in there playing, that was our bedroom, 129 00:06:22.720 --> 00:06:26.480 and I would hear heavy footsteps. Sometimes I would look 130 00:06:26.519 --> 00:06:30.600 out the windows. Sometimes I wouldn't, but as a young teenager, 131 00:06:30.759 --> 00:06:33.199 never saw anything, and I would ask my mom, Hey, 132 00:06:33.279 --> 00:06:35.759 where are those footsteps out there? And I never see anybody. 133 00:06:36.279 --> 00:06:37.839 She would always just ride it off. I don't know. 134 00:06:37.959 --> 00:06:40.399 I'm sure there's somebody out there walking around, I'm like, 135 00:06:40.439 --> 00:06:43.600 but nobody ever is out there walking around, So we 136 00:06:43.759 --> 00:06:46.279 ended up calling him the Man of the Mountain. Even 137 00:06:46.279 --> 00:06:48.879 though it was like like a ghost. We would hear footsteps, 138 00:06:49.279 --> 00:06:52.560 but we would never see anything. As a child and 139 00:06:52.639 --> 00:06:55.639 a teenager, that would always bother me because I'm like, 140 00:06:56.319 --> 00:06:59.319 could I be hearing somebody's footsteps That just did not 141 00:06:59.399 --> 00:07:02.079 make sense? And they were heavy, but you could tell, 142 00:07:02.120 --> 00:07:05.199 even me at that age that there was weight behind 143 00:07:05.240 --> 00:07:09.600 those footsteps. But never saw anything, but it was just 144 00:07:09.639 --> 00:07:14.279 always there. That was the second thing of what's going on? 145 00:07:14.360 --> 00:07:16.639 Things are just weird back there. Like I said, we 146 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:19.279 never wanted to walk back there. We had a storage 147 00:07:19.279 --> 00:07:21.360 shed back there, and we never wanted to go back there. 148 00:07:21.920 --> 00:07:24.600 We were all over that area, but for some reason, 149 00:07:24.600 --> 00:07:26.399 we would never want to go to that particular mountain 150 00:07:26.439 --> 00:07:30.360 behind the house. So this was an unnerving one. I 151 00:07:30.399 --> 00:07:32.600 think maybe my mom knew more of what was going 152 00:07:32.600 --> 00:07:35.839 on than what she was leading us to believe. One day, 153 00:07:35.920 --> 00:07:40.959 our bedrooms get switched. Now suddenly the kid's bedroom is 154 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:43.800 in the front of the trailer. Now the adult bedroom 155 00:07:44.160 --> 00:07:46.279 is in the back of the trailer, next to the mountain. 156 00:07:46.839 --> 00:07:49.199 I always found that strange too, because that was the 157 00:07:49.240 --> 00:07:52.399 smallest of the bedrooms. Usually adults take the big one 158 00:07:52.399 --> 00:07:53.839 and the kids you don't have to smash into the 159 00:07:53.839 --> 00:07:56.519 small rooms. But it was the opposite. They gave us 160 00:07:56.800 --> 00:07:59.399 the big one, and I say us. It was mostly me. 161 00:07:59.600 --> 00:08:02.519 I lived their full time. Were a split family, so 162 00:08:02.560 --> 00:08:05.199 I had step brothers and stepsisters and they would come 163 00:08:05.240 --> 00:08:07.959 every other weekend, so I was there full time. So 164 00:08:08.040 --> 00:08:10.639 I had that big bedroom with the master king sized 165 00:08:10.680 --> 00:08:13.360 water bed all to myself, and my parents were in 166 00:08:13.399 --> 00:08:16.160 the small bedroom, like in some queen size bed. It 167 00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:19.399 just made no sense, but that's what they did. It 168 00:08:19.439 --> 00:08:22.839 was a summer night. We were low income, so my 169 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:26.199 parents liked to keep the ac off as much as possible. 170 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:30.240 We would have the windows open in the summertime. This 171 00:08:30.279 --> 00:08:34.440 particular evening, our bedroom window was open. There was no 172 00:08:34.519 --> 00:08:36.919 coverings on the window, it was just a window. I 173 00:08:36.919 --> 00:08:39.320 guess we couldn't afford drapes, were blinds. I don't know. 174 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:42.159 My stepsister and I were sharing a bed and we 175 00:08:42.159 --> 00:08:47.240 were asleep. I do not recall any light in the room. Sometimes, 176 00:08:47.320 --> 00:08:49.320 as teenagers, we had fall asleep with the TV on. 177 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:52.799 I don't remember that. And this is since it was 178 00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:57.519 about nineteen eighty eight. I was roughly sixteen years old. 179 00:08:57.600 --> 00:09:00.399 Somewhere in that time, and for some reason, I don't 180 00:09:00.440 --> 00:09:03.200 know why, I stat up in bed out of a 181 00:09:03.320 --> 00:09:06.480 deep sleep. I sat up and I turned. Now right 182 00:09:06.720 --> 00:09:08.840 to my left is a window. Or bed was so 183 00:09:08.919 --> 00:09:10.600 big that it took up most of the room, so 184 00:09:10.679 --> 00:09:12.600 it was literally butt up against the wall that was 185 00:09:12.600 --> 00:09:16.639 butt up against the window. I look and what I 186 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:22.000 saw was an outline of a head. It was just 187 00:09:22.039 --> 00:09:26.639 a giant head and it was doing this looking in 188 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:29.919 the window. Its head was tilted, it was looking in 189 00:09:29.960 --> 00:09:34.200 the window, and it had big red eyes that, for 190 00:09:34.279 --> 00:09:36.559 lack of a better word, seemed to be glowing. They 191 00:09:36.679 --> 00:09:41.440 really stood out. I don't know what the light situation was, 192 00:09:41.559 --> 00:09:44.840 why he was only silhouetted. I don't remember seeing a moon. 193 00:09:44.840 --> 00:09:46.320 There could have been a moon, I don't know. I 194 00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:49.120 don't remember. It's been too long. All I remember seeing 195 00:09:49.200 --> 00:09:51.720 is just a giant head at the top of the 196 00:09:51.759 --> 00:09:55.600 window with red eyes, just looking in and I just 197 00:09:55.679 --> 00:09:58.559 sat there frozen, and in a blink of an eye, 198 00:09:58.799 --> 00:10:01.919 it was gone. I believe what I just saw. I 199 00:10:02.000 --> 00:10:04.600 was scared in a lot of different ways. I didn't 200 00:10:04.600 --> 00:10:06.840 know what that thing was, and what has red eyes? 201 00:10:07.279 --> 00:10:09.440 What is at the top of the window. There was 202 00:10:09.440 --> 00:10:12.679 just so many variables. I was just frozen. The next 203 00:10:12.720 --> 00:10:14.399 thing I know, it's morning. I guess I fell back 204 00:10:14.399 --> 00:10:17.200 to sleep. I don't remember the in between time. I 205 00:10:17.240 --> 00:10:19.240 just remember the next morning I was telling my mom 206 00:10:19.240 --> 00:10:22.639 and my stepsister slept next to me and never woke up. 207 00:10:23.159 --> 00:10:24.919 I didn't wake her up. I was too scared. I 208 00:10:25.000 --> 00:10:28.039 was frozen. She never woke up. So the next morning 209 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:30.200 I was telling my mom and her I was like, 210 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:32.639 last night, something was looking at us through the window 211 00:10:32.679 --> 00:10:34.639 and I saw it, and they're like, what are you 212 00:10:34.639 --> 00:10:37.000 talking about. I said, it was just a giant head 213 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:40.559 with red eyes. Most people are gonna think you're bat crazy, 214 00:10:40.600 --> 00:10:45.200 you know what I'm saying. And they're like, you were dreaming, Angie. 215 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:47.399 It's like you were a sleep you're dreaming. I'm like, no, 216 00:10:47.759 --> 00:10:51.360 I saw this head in the window with red eyes. 217 00:10:51.799 --> 00:10:55.120 They laughed me off, thinking I was crazy. I'm dreaming, 218 00:10:55.720 --> 00:10:58.240 and I was like dead serious. I'm like, no, I 219 00:10:58.279 --> 00:11:01.480 saw it, and they're like, okay, whatever. Next thing, you know, 220 00:11:01.679 --> 00:11:04.240 blinds and curtains are getting put up on that window. 221 00:11:04.879 --> 00:11:08.200 I never saw it again. It was just that one time. 222 00:11:08.600 --> 00:11:10.720 It was just a giant head with red glowing eyes. 223 00:11:10.759 --> 00:11:14.240 That was my visual fighting of a sasquatch. I don't 224 00:11:14.279 --> 00:11:17.840 know if most people are familiar with how mobile homes 225 00:11:17.879 --> 00:11:21.080 are set up, but they're not on the ground. They 226 00:11:21.120 --> 00:11:24.360 are held up by cinder blocks, so they're usually pretty 227 00:11:24.399 --> 00:11:27.480 high off the ground to start with. Then usually you 228 00:11:27.519 --> 00:11:30.200 have to have steps to get into your mobile home, 229 00:11:30.519 --> 00:11:32.519 and that's how ours was as well. There was like 230 00:11:32.559 --> 00:11:35.320 three or four steps that landed onto a porch before 231 00:11:35.360 --> 00:11:39.000 he could even enter the mobile home. So I'm guestimating 232 00:11:39.039 --> 00:11:41.919 that window was at least at the top of the 233 00:11:41.919 --> 00:11:45.240 window was around nine feet off the ground after all 234 00:11:45.320 --> 00:11:47.000 was said and done, And it was at the top 235 00:11:47.159 --> 00:11:49.639 of the window, and I don't know if it was 236 00:11:49.960 --> 00:11:52.600 bending over to look in. All I know is it 237 00:11:52.639 --> 00:11:55.320 his head was tilted and it was looking in. I'm 238 00:11:55.360 --> 00:11:57.480 not sure, but that window, like if the head was 239 00:11:57.519 --> 00:11:59.720 at the top and that was roughly around nine feet. 240 00:12:00.200 --> 00:12:03.200 Was that all the experiences you had there in that house. 241 00:12:03.559 --> 00:12:06.440 As far as sasquatch goes, Yeah, the stuff that would 242 00:12:06.440 --> 00:12:07.399 equate the sasquatch. 243 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:10.919 So after that you had no more experiences there. When 244 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:13.679 was the next experience you believe was with a sasquatch? 245 00:12:14.240 --> 00:12:17.799 If we're going chronological, then the next one would be 246 00:12:18.120 --> 00:12:21.679 at Minnesota. I took some notes that way I could 247 00:12:21.679 --> 00:12:23.960 get my timeline right, so I hope you don't mind 248 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:26.279 me looking at my notes. But it was August of 249 00:12:26.320 --> 00:12:28.720 twenty twenty. Quite a bit of time had gone by. 250 00:12:28.919 --> 00:12:31.840 I'm from Arkansas. We lived not in the woods, but 251 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:34.399 we're always in the woods. Every weekend we're at hiking. 252 00:12:34.720 --> 00:12:39.000 So there was a long spance of time where nothing happened. 253 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:43.799 So fast forward to August of twenty twenty. My husband 254 00:12:43.840 --> 00:12:47.919 and I go to Minnesota or anniversary. We were staying 255 00:12:47.919 --> 00:12:51.840 over in Lutson Hotel, which is just south of Grand Beret, Minnesota, 256 00:12:51.879 --> 00:12:53.639 which is up in the North Shore, so you're pretty 257 00:12:53.720 --> 00:12:56.799 high up in Minnesota. You're roughly hour and a half 258 00:12:57.440 --> 00:13:00.000 guesstimate from the Canadian border, so you're pretty high up there. 259 00:13:00.480 --> 00:13:02.919 So we were up in Grand Moray and we decided 260 00:13:02.960 --> 00:13:06.639 to go looking for wildlife. We were out driving around 261 00:13:06.840 --> 00:13:10.919 looking for wildlie. We saw bear. That was exciting. We 262 00:13:10.919 --> 00:13:13.480 were seeing lots of little animals, boxes, this and that 263 00:13:13.679 --> 00:13:17.399 exciting stuff. We were out doing hikes. We did quite 264 00:13:17.440 --> 00:13:20.679 a few hikes. We were on this road called Gunflint 265 00:13:21.120 --> 00:13:23.919 Trail Road. Now, it is the road that leads you 266 00:13:23.960 --> 00:13:28.639 from Grand Moray, Minnesota, up into the Boundary waters near 267 00:13:28.960 --> 00:13:34.279 the border of Canada. Very remote area. We're driving down Gunflint. 268 00:13:34.639 --> 00:13:36.639 I'm on my phone. We're really wanting to try to 269 00:13:36.679 --> 00:13:39.200 see a moose. That was like our goal was, We're 270 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:42.080 going to find a moose up here. So I was 271 00:13:42.159 --> 00:13:44.679 googling trying to find where to go. And there was 272 00:13:44.840 --> 00:13:47.600 a place that you could go see moose. It was 273 00:13:47.639 --> 00:13:51.600 called Moose Lake Observation Area or something like that. So 274 00:13:51.720 --> 00:13:54.480 right got to go there. So we get there. It 275 00:13:54.480 --> 00:13:57.360 was getting towards dusk, but it wasn't dusk yet. It 276 00:13:57.440 --> 00:14:00.919 was late in the afternoon, getting towards dust. We get 277 00:14:00.919 --> 00:14:03.519 into the parking lot, which is just a gravel parking lot, 278 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:05.879 and we're going to make our way to this lake 279 00:14:06.080 --> 00:14:08.679 to sneak up on some moose. There's this a flight 280 00:14:08.799 --> 00:14:13.000 incline to get to the trail. Now, I had just 281 00:14:13.120 --> 00:14:16.480 been out of knee surgery roughly four or five months. 282 00:14:16.759 --> 00:14:18.759 I had a knee brace on. I'm not supposed to 283 00:14:18.799 --> 00:14:21.519 be running, We're supposed to be just taking things easy. 284 00:14:22.159 --> 00:14:24.720 So we walk up this little incline and I was like, 285 00:14:24.720 --> 00:14:25.919 I don't know if I'm gonna be able to do 286 00:14:25.960 --> 00:14:28.279 this trail. This is really really the best for my knee. 287 00:14:28.600 --> 00:14:30.960 We had some hikers coming in the other direction and 288 00:14:31.000 --> 00:14:33.279 they had said, oh, it flattens out, you'll be fine. 289 00:14:33.399 --> 00:14:36.080 So I'm like, all right, we'll continue on. So we 290 00:14:36.120 --> 00:14:38.440 get up to the level area and we start walking. 291 00:14:38.879 --> 00:14:41.840 This is my husband and I. There's nobody else. We're 292 00:14:41.879 --> 00:14:44.080 the only ones. So if people that we passed were leaving, 293 00:14:44.159 --> 00:14:47.799 so now we are alone. It is deep for us. 294 00:14:48.320 --> 00:14:50.720 I can't even tell you where the next structure would 295 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:52.360 be out there, like a house. So we're got right here, 296 00:14:52.440 --> 00:14:55.120 out in the middle of nowhere, and we're walking. Everything 297 00:14:55.159 --> 00:14:57.759 is fine, you know, we're laughing, we're enjoying the beauty. 298 00:14:57.759 --> 00:15:00.600 It's gorgeous out there. I think the trail, if memory 299 00:15:00.639 --> 00:15:03.320 serves me, was about a mile probably a mile and 300 00:15:03.399 --> 00:15:05.440 a half max. To get back to this where this 301 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:09.799 lake is, and it is remote. They did build like 302 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:12.159 a little platform so you could stand there and not 303 00:15:12.200 --> 00:15:14.200 stand in the mug, but it was pretty sad and 304 00:15:14.240 --> 00:15:16.399 where they had the platform, the trees were all in 305 00:15:16.440 --> 00:15:18.120 the way. You couldn't see the lake anyways. So we 306 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:20.440 weren't even standing on the platform. We were like trying 307 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:23.039 to find a hole in the trees where we could 308 00:15:23.240 --> 00:15:25.480 get a view of the lake, hoping that the moose 309 00:15:25.480 --> 00:15:29.240 would come strolling by. Everything was normal. We were laughing 310 00:15:29.240 --> 00:15:31.960 and we were having fun. We were enjoying ourselves. We're 311 00:15:32.039 --> 00:15:34.600 looking at the lake. We're being quiet because we know 312 00:15:34.639 --> 00:15:37.240 if we're talking too much, we're going to scare the 313 00:15:37.279 --> 00:15:40.519 moose away, so we end up getting quiet but anticipation 314 00:15:40.720 --> 00:15:43.159 of the moose. So we're looking through the brush trying 315 00:15:43.159 --> 00:15:46.679 to see the lake, and all of a sudden, the 316 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:52.440 biggest wave of fear washed over me, just out of 317 00:15:52.440 --> 00:15:55.399 the blue. No, you're scaring yourself. I don't know what 318 00:15:55.440 --> 00:15:57.519 you've just been thinking, but you're sitting there. You're scaring yourself. 319 00:15:57.519 --> 00:16:00.720 Don't trying to rationalize this weird feeling I'm having. It 320 00:16:00.799 --> 00:16:04.519 seems like all the air got sucked out of that area. 321 00:16:05.159 --> 00:16:09.600 All of a sudden, the forest went silent. I'm like, 322 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:12.080 that's weird, And like I said, have been all the 323 00:16:12.080 --> 00:16:15.879 air this gets sucked out of the area. You can't breathe, 324 00:16:16.120 --> 00:16:21.519 This overwhelming dread is over you. I'm like, something is 325 00:16:21.559 --> 00:16:24.360 seriously not right. I look at my husband. I said, 326 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:29.399 do you feel that? He goes, something's not right? I said, 327 00:16:29.440 --> 00:16:31.840 did you notice how the forest has gone silent? He 328 00:16:31.879 --> 00:16:33.840 goes yeah. I said, have you ever been in a 329 00:16:33.840 --> 00:16:37.639 forest worst gone silent? I said to me either, And 330 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:40.519 I'm like, do you feel the heaviness? Do you feel scared? 331 00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:43.279 I do? He goes, there's a weirdness. All of a sudden, 332 00:16:43.480 --> 00:16:45.200 I said, I think we should go. I said, something 333 00:16:45.240 --> 00:16:49.200 is seriously not right here. He goes, no, We're fine. 334 00:16:49.200 --> 00:16:51.039 I'm like, no, we gotta go. We got to go. 335 00:16:51.120 --> 00:16:53.679 Something's not right, and something inside me was just like, 336 00:16:53.799 --> 00:16:57.320 get out of dodge. Something is not right. I had 337 00:16:57.360 --> 00:17:00.600 never felt that feeling ever before. That was the first 338 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:04.839 time where I had unexplainable I guess do you call 339 00:17:04.880 --> 00:17:07.839 it fight or flight? I just wanted to get out 340 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:09.920 of there as fast as possible. And there was no 341 00:17:10.039 --> 00:17:14.559 rational reason why we saw nothing, we heard nothing, we 342 00:17:14.640 --> 00:17:19.920 smelled nothing, but this impending doom was over us. So 343 00:17:19.960 --> 00:17:21.720 I was like, we gotta go, we gotta go. I'm 344 00:17:21.759 --> 00:17:23.920 grabbing my husband and I'm pulling him and at this 345 00:17:24.000 --> 00:17:26.200 point he knows things are weird, but I'm like, no, 346 00:17:26.480 --> 00:17:28.480 we're in danger. And I don't know why, but we 347 00:17:28.519 --> 00:17:30.039 got to go. So I'm pulling at him and we're 348 00:17:30.039 --> 00:17:32.880 walking and I'm like, no, we gotta walk faster, and 349 00:17:32.920 --> 00:17:34.720 he's Angie, what is wrong with you? I'm like, we 350 00:17:34.720 --> 00:17:37.079 got to get out of here. Even though he felt 351 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:40.279 the weirdness and the strangeness and how things weren't right, 352 00:17:41.200 --> 00:17:43.680 I was, for some reason picking up on it more. 353 00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:46.640 I was just like, honey, let's go. He was behind me. Yeah, 354 00:17:46.720 --> 00:17:48.559 I'm just not a surgery with a knee brace on. 355 00:17:48.599 --> 00:17:50.400 But I can barely walk and he is behind me. 356 00:17:50.440 --> 00:17:53.519 I'm like, come on, we gotta go. My bones could 357 00:17:53.599 --> 00:17:55.839 jump out of my skin and ran ahead of me. 358 00:17:56.039 --> 00:17:58.920 It would have. I had that just that much fear. 359 00:17:59.559 --> 00:18:01.359 We're getting to the car. We're getting to the car, 360 00:18:01.839 --> 00:18:04.799 but still that fear is not going away. It stayed 361 00:18:04.839 --> 00:18:06.640 with us the whole mile and a half back to 362 00:18:06.680 --> 00:18:10.759 the car, and it only stopped once we started approaching 363 00:18:10.799 --> 00:18:13.240 the car and got to that incline. And as we 364 00:18:13.279 --> 00:18:15.000 were getting close to the incline, I'm like, he got 365 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:16.480 the keys, He got the keys out, and ready, right 366 00:18:16.839 --> 00:18:18.279 are your keys in your hand. We got to get 367 00:18:18.279 --> 00:18:20.079 in the car. We got to go. He's just yeah, 368 00:18:20.119 --> 00:18:21.640 I got him chill out. I'm like, no, we got 369 00:18:21.640 --> 00:18:25.079 to go. I feel something chased us out of that woods. 370 00:18:25.160 --> 00:18:27.039 Even though it didn't chase us out of the woods, 371 00:18:27.039 --> 00:18:29.000 you know what I'm saying. It was just one of 372 00:18:29.039 --> 00:18:33.599 those highly freaky, what is going on moments that I 373 00:18:33.640 --> 00:18:37.599 had never experienced before in my life and had nothing 374 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:40.759 to compare it to. Now later on down the line, 375 00:18:40.880 --> 00:18:45.680 when I started learning more stuff, these instances would come 376 00:18:45.720 --> 00:18:48.440 back to mind and it would explain a lot of things. 377 00:18:49.039 --> 00:18:52.599 But we got chased out of the woods by something 378 00:18:52.599 --> 00:18:56.200 that we couldn't see. So the next experience happened up 379 00:18:56.359 --> 00:19:00.599 in Southwest Harbor, Maine. I had a year round allergies. 380 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:02.519 I know this is going to sound weird, but this 381 00:19:02.559 --> 00:19:05.279 will explain why I was in Maine. So I have 382 00:19:05.359 --> 00:19:07.839 to leave where I live here in Arkansas twice a 383 00:19:07.960 --> 00:19:10.720 year because the allergies get so bad that none of 384 00:19:10.720 --> 00:19:13.279 the medications work. So I have to leave for about 385 00:19:13.319 --> 00:19:15.079 a month and a half so I can breathe, and 386 00:19:15.119 --> 00:19:17.519 I'd be dying in bed. So anyways, that was my 387 00:19:17.599 --> 00:19:21.519 first time leaving, was going to Maine. Some people said 388 00:19:21.519 --> 00:19:24.279 why Maine. I went to Northern Maine and at that time, 389 00:19:24.440 --> 00:19:26.680 things are still frozen over, but like there's gonna be 390 00:19:26.720 --> 00:19:28.839 no pollen up there. So that's how I ended up 391 00:19:28.880 --> 00:19:33.640 getting to Southwest Harbor, Maine. That was in October of 392 00:19:33.720 --> 00:19:37.119 twenty twenty three. It's about thirty minutes from Bar Harbor. 393 00:19:37.640 --> 00:19:40.240 So I don't know if you're familiar with northern Maine, 394 00:19:40.680 --> 00:19:44.039 but it's north and to the east of Bangor and 395 00:19:44.079 --> 00:19:46.839 it's on the coast. So I rented a house through 396 00:19:46.960 --> 00:19:50.000 Airbnb or Berbo, one of those rental places. I was 397 00:19:50.079 --> 00:19:52.160 going to be there for a month, so my husband 398 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:53.799 and I go up there. He decided to come with 399 00:19:53.799 --> 00:19:55.200 me to help get me set up. This is the 400 00:19:55.200 --> 00:19:57.839 first time ever doing this, so it was weird for 401 00:19:57.880 --> 00:20:01.759