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Speaker 3: Hey George, were you I'm doing great.
Speaker 1: Welcome back from your vacation. You've had a lot of
Speaker 1: time to ponder the things we're going to talk about today,
Speaker 1: and before we get into that, I guess introduce yourself
Speaker 1: to the audience.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm forty five years old. I got four daughters.
Speaker 3: I live in south eastern Louisiana. I've been here for
Speaker 3: about fifteen years, but I've kind of lived all over
Speaker 3: the place. My dad worked for the government, so born
Speaker 3: in New Jersey, lived in Pennsylvania, Montana, Idaho, Utah. I've
Speaker 3: lived in Mexico, Ecuador, California. But I came here, oh,
Speaker 3: fifteen years ago with the big construction company, ended up staying. So,
Speaker 3: you know, I guess, first and foremost, I'm a faller
Speaker 3: of Jesus Christ, and through that that's kind of led
Speaker 3: me into, you know, the things we'll talk about tonight.
Speaker 2: Amen.
Speaker 1: You know, I know a lot of people who spent
Speaker 1: some time in Ecuador, and I doing some research. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of expats that have since moved. Even a
Speaker 1: lot of people in the Truth community I know have
Speaker 1: spent some time there and they really enjoy it.
Speaker 2: I guess the dollar goes a long way. And what
Speaker 2: was your experience down there in Ecuador?
Speaker 3: Well, I went down there on a Mormon mission for
Speaker 3: the Mormon Church. I grew up Mormon. I was born
Speaker 3: into it. My dad's side, I would have been the
Speaker 3: third generation. Mom's side would have been second generation. So
Speaker 3: I don't know how much you know about the Mormon Church,
Speaker 3: but all the young men are expected to serve a
Speaker 3: mission to your mission. It's kind of like almost a
Speaker 3: rite of passage. So I was down there as a
Speaker 3: missionary and my experience was awesome. I love the place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I know that is part of kind of
Speaker 1: your journey. And Joseph Smith, I know he was the founder.
Speaker 1: It goes back to the eighteen hundreds and is based
Speaker 1: on missionary work. And if I'm not mistaken, what is
Speaker 1: it BYU?
Speaker 3: Is based on that BYU. Yeah. So there's a school
Speaker 3: in the big schools in Utah, and then they have
Speaker 3: another school in Idaho. So I actually went to I
Speaker 3: went to college at b yu Idaho as well. Is
Speaker 3: that right, Yeah, yeah, so born into it, you know,
Speaker 3: and just was I was kind of a black sheet
Speaker 3: my whole life. But it's a lot of a lot
Speaker 3: of kind of shaming and stuff like that in the church.
Speaker 3: So I ended up I went on a mission actually
Speaker 3: two years late. Typically they go, well now I think
Speaker 3: it's eighteen, it used to be nineteen, and I went
Speaker 3: one about twenty one just because I had I had
Speaker 3: some past sin. They make you wait for and stuff
Speaker 3: like that. But it was, uh, you know, other other
Speaker 3: than you know, not knowing at the time, deceiving people,
Speaker 3: the experience itself was wonderful. Anyway, I got back, got
Speaker 3: back from my mission, went to college at Byuidaho. I
Speaker 3: ended up getting married. I got married in the Mormon
Speaker 3: temple as well. And that that itself, if anyone's familiar
Speaker 3: with Mormonism, is kind of you know, like the the
Speaker 3: high the high level thing to do. Not anybody can
Speaker 3: go to a Mormon temple. So I'm not sure what
Speaker 3: the percentages are, but you know, there's a certain percentage
Speaker 3: of Mormons that they call temple worthy that you're allowed
Speaker 3: to go to the temple, and you do you know,
Speaker 3: basically these different rituals and ceremonies there.
Speaker 2: That's interesting.
Speaker 1: You know, I've had a few guests in the past
Speaker 1: that have been part of the Latter day Saints at
Speaker 1: a certain part in their life.
Speaker 2: Was it.
Speaker 1: How, I guess where did you start to see your
Speaker 1: beliefs start to differ from from the Latter day Saints?
Speaker 1: And you know, now you're a Christianity follower of Christ.
Speaker 1: And I know that the LDS is that they call
Speaker 1: themselves the Church of Jesus Christ, and they were born
Speaker 1: in the Second Grade Awakening.
Speaker 2: I've written some sorry, just had a race cargo by.
Speaker 1: I wrote many articles on substacts about the first Grade
Speaker 1: Awakening in the seventeen fifties, and the LDS Church was
Speaker 1: part of the Second Grade Awakening, which was this passionate
Speaker 1: movement you know in the United States kind of a revival,
Speaker 1: a grassroots revival. And they always seem to be hijacked.
Speaker 1: But but how did your journey, you know, going from
Speaker 1: one to the other. And by the way, when you
Speaker 1: talk about the Mormon Temple, it says only members of
Speaker 1: the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints who
Speaker 1: have been recommended and are in good standing are allowed
Speaker 1: to enter. Non members can only enter during open houses.
Speaker 3: Correct, Yeah, yeah, you also have to be one of
Speaker 3: the big things. You have to be a full tithe
Speaker 3: payer to the Mormon Church, which is ten percent of
Speaker 3: everything you earn, and that is through your temple recommend
Speaker 3: That is actually they verified. They do a they call
Speaker 3: it tiding settlement every year where you actually have to
Speaker 3: take in your your tax returns really and if if
Speaker 3: you've cheated them somehow, they'll they'll.
Speaker 2: They'll difference what's that, They'll ask for the difference.
Speaker 3: Ask for the difference or to take away your temple
Speaker 3: recommend and then it's it's kind of the shame thing again,
Speaker 3: you know, if you lose the temple recommend everyone's like, oh,
Speaker 3: what did you know what this person do? So I
Speaker 3: guess I guess my kind of story with I mean,
Speaker 3: I kind of bought into it, fully, I guess I
Speaker 3: started I look back now and I started questioning I
Speaker 3: guess years ago. And I'll get into it too. But
Speaker 3: I'm an ex drug addict, seventeen years of drugs, just
Speaker 3: absolute hell. But anyway, through my path of drugs, one
Speaker 3: time myself and people around me were trying to do
Speaker 3: anything they could to get me off drugs. And one
Speaker 3: time they took me to it was some It was
Speaker 3: in California. It was this little teeny kind of like
Speaker 3: house church, I guess, kind of Pentecostal. And that was
Speaker 3: the first time I had ever seen I mean, there
Speaker 3: was a guy in a wheelchair they prayed for and
Speaker 3: he got up and walked around, and I was like
Speaker 3: what because I'd never seen any of this stuff in
Speaker 3: the Mormon Church. And they teach you the Mormon Church
Speaker 3: that it's you know, it's the fullness of the Gospel,
Speaker 3: the restoration. So they believe in what they call the
Speaker 3: Great Apostasy, so after Jesus and the Apostles, the truth
Speaker 3: was taken from the earth, and that it was restored
Speaker 3: by Joseph Smith. And when I started to see things
Speaker 3: like that, I was kind of like, well, if this
Speaker 3: is the fullness of the Gospel, where's it over here?
Speaker 3: Like what, you know, what? Why why am I not
Speaker 3: seeing people being healed and things like that. But you know,
Speaker 3: it kind of went on. So my mom, my mom
Speaker 3: got a horseback riding accident twenty years and was it
Speaker 3: twenty yeah, twenty twenty one years ago and and she
Speaker 3: was in a coma for a week and died. And
Speaker 3: that was that was real hard. And shortly after that
Speaker 3: I got I had some dental work done and the
Speaker 3: dentist prescribed me some pills that he probably shouldn't have.
Speaker 3: Oh no, and uh, I started I started taking those,
Speaker 3: you know, taking too many. You know, it felt great,
Speaker 3: and then you know, you let into you know, take
Speaker 3: take some with a beer. Then I started buying him
Speaker 3: on the street. That happened for about a year and
Speaker 3: a half. And if you know anything about you know, painkillers,
Speaker 3: opiates is basically like pharmaceutical great heroin. It's it's made
Speaker 3: from you know, basically the same the same things. So
Speaker 3: one day I was at work and I was, you
Speaker 3: end up getting sick if you don't have the stuff.
Speaker 3: I mean, definitely sick. I mean it's it's hideous. And
Speaker 3: I was sick, and uh, a buddy of mine called me,
Speaker 3: and uh, he said, hey, I got something to make
Speaker 3: you feel better. Come over. This is in Salt Lake City,
Speaker 3: So I mean, I just left work, that's how bad
Speaker 3: you get. I flew to his house and he pulled
Speaker 3: out a bag of a black tar heroin and I said,
Speaker 3: I'm not, I'm not shooting anything. And he said, you
Speaker 3: don't have to. Uh, he said, you can smoke it,
Speaker 3: you can snort it. So long story short, I smoked it,
Speaker 3: never bought pills again. And it goes to show and
Speaker 3: this is part of the story Jesus talks about. I
Speaker 3: think it's in Matthew where he says he's talking about
Speaker 3: casting the demon out of that guy, and he says
Speaker 3: the demon will go to dry and arid places and
Speaker 3: if it comes back and find its home swept clean,
Speaker 3: it'll come back with seven more demons and he will
Speaker 3: be worse off than he was before. And this is
Speaker 3: exactly how it happens. So I started on pills. By
Speaker 3: the time I was done, I was shooting fentanyl and
Speaker 3: crack cocaine in my neck. And so anyway, just a
Speaker 3: long journey. I knew it was, you know, wrong, the
Speaker 3: whole time. We'll try to get it. It's it's it's
Speaker 3: you can't. It's so hard to get off of. And anyway,
Speaker 3: there's there's a whole spiritual component to it that you know.
Speaker 3: I learned a little bit later on. But so I
Speaker 3: led up to July eighteen to twenty twenty two, I
Speaker 3: woke up paralyzed from about my nipples down, basically totally paralyzed.
Speaker 3: So I got rushed to the hospital in an ambulance
Speaker 3: and the you know, they did a bunch of different tests,
Speaker 3: and that the doctor had come in and asked me
Speaker 3: when I had fallen last, And I had fallen really
Speaker 3: bad off a roof. I was flashing a chimney. The
Speaker 3: ladder broke and I fell off the roof about four
Speaker 3: years earlier than that, and I got up and walked
Speaker 3: away from it. But apparently I had shattered two vertebrads
Speaker 3: in my back that I didn't know about, and through
Speaker 3: the drug use, I got an infection in those two
Speaker 3: shattered vertebrates and that infection caused it to inflame. A
Speaker 3: piece of one of the burtebrays punctured my epidural and
Speaker 3: that's what caused the paralysis. So anyway, I was in
Speaker 3: the hospital for two months, had two back surgeries. I
Speaker 3: was in six different hospitals, and that's when I kind
Speaker 3: of started, I guess, realizing things. I think I had
Speaker 3: odd twenty three times. And then this hospital thing happened.
Speaker 3: I had a stomach complication in there that almost killed me,
Speaker 3: you know, I've been shot at, stabbed, and I started
Speaker 3: kind of getting it, like, you know, I don't think
Speaker 3: I should be around. So I started questioning a lot more.
Speaker 3: And that's when I was in the hospitals, when I
Speaker 3: really started kind of digging more into stuff. I was
Speaker 3: in a wheelchair for a year and a half. You know,
Speaker 3: they told me they weren't sure if I was ever
Speaker 3: going to walk again. You know. One of the things
Speaker 3: that that I I saw in the hospital, and I
Speaker 3: was real kind of naive to all this stuff, I mean,
Speaker 3: ignorant to it. Where I mean, I mean there's people
Speaker 3: all the time that you know, they'll slip and fall,
Speaker 3: whack their head, quadriplegic, I mean all kinds of stuff
Speaker 3: like that, all kinds of gun shoppings in there. And
Speaker 3: I saw these people get bitter. They'd get bitter because
Speaker 3: I mean, your life's just turned upside down. And you know,
Speaker 3: I didn't want to get bitter. So I told, I
Speaker 3: told the Lord, said, look, I don't want to be
Speaker 3: bitter for two years. I'll go full throttle therapy all
Speaker 3: this stuff, and if I can't walk after two years,
Speaker 3: I'll accept it, but I don't want to be bitter.
Speaker 3: And anyway, so I got out of the hospital. I
Speaker 3: was still in the wheelchair obviously, and I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 3: gonna backtrack here, George and tell you kind of a
Speaker 3: story that ties in with this. I went years before this.
Speaker 3: I was going to one of the other times I
Speaker 3: was trying to get off drugs and I had a
Speaker 3: buddy and he was taking me to a Charismatic Catholic group,
Speaker 3: which I don't know if you're familiar with that, but
Speaker 3: they're part of the Catholic Church, but they're basically Catholic Pentecostals.
Speaker 3: They do a lot of prayer, tongues, all that stuff.
Speaker 3: And so he was taking me there and he was
Speaker 3: in charge. It's the Spanish group. Because of my mission
Speaker 3: and stuff, I speak Spanish. So I was going to
Speaker 3: Spanish group and there was a there is I think
Speaker 3: still there's a Catholic deacon named Larry o'ne. He's written
Speaker 3: a bunch of books and stuff. And this guy, Pablo,
Speaker 3: who was heading up the Spanish one, asked me, said, hey,
Speaker 3: I got to go talk to this deacon guy because
Speaker 3: he's he was in charge of like the state of
Speaker 3: the Charismatic groups, and he had to go over his
Speaker 3: calendar and all that kind of stuff. He said, will
Speaker 3: you come and translate for me? I said, yeah, to
Speaker 3: this guy's house, this Catholic deacon, and I'm there to translate.
Speaker 3: And he looks at me and he says, tell me
Speaker 3: about you. When I said, a couple of things, and
Speaker 3: you know, I'm on drugs and stuff at this time,
Speaker 3: and I mean, he started telling me stuff that he
Speaker 3: shouldn't have known about me. He knew, you know, my
Speaker 3: mom had died. Was talking about drugs and a bunch
Speaker 3: of stuff. It kind of blew me away. And one
Speaker 3: of the things he said is he said, you've had
Speaker 3: one foot in and one foot out for a long time,
Speaker 3: and Jesus wants your whole heart, not a piece of it.
Speaker 3: He wants the full thing. And I and, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: like I said something that always stuck with me even
Speaker 3: when through through the years after through drug drug addiction
Speaker 3: and stuff. When I so jumping back now, when I
Speaker 3: got out of the hospital and I got home, I
Speaker 3: was sitting on my bed, I had to like throw
Speaker 3: my you know, throw myself off with the wheelchair to
Speaker 3: the bed and I prayed to the Lord of something.
Speaker 3: I was always scared to do. And I did what
Speaker 3: the Catholic deacon told me to do, and I said,
Speaker 3: I'm giving you my whole heart. I'm all in full throttle.
Speaker 3: And it was pretty much immediate that the scales fell
Speaker 3: through my eyes. I could almost hear him hit the floor.
Speaker 3: And my interest changed, my desires changed, my goals changed everything.
Speaker 3: You know, I always hated reading. I started reading all
Speaker 3: kinds of stuff, so that was that, and that led
Speaker 3: me into a lot of the truth stuff, started questioning
Speaker 3: all things. And at that point I didn't know what
Speaker 3: to do. I'm like, well, maybe I need to go
Speaker 3: back to the Mormon Church. Maybe I need to go
Speaker 3: back to this. So I I hadn't gone to them.
Speaker 3: I hadn't set foot in the church, in the Mormon
Speaker 3: Church for probably fifteen years. So I started doing all
Speaker 3: the stuff that they tell you not to. They tell
Speaker 3: you don't look on the internet, don't you know, They'll
Speaker 3: tell you it's anti Mormon. These people are, you know, demons.
Speaker 3: And I started looking at all the stuff and I
Speaker 3: literally had, you know, like a three ring binder full
Speaker 3: of stuff, contradictions early early Mormon history, all kinds of
Speaker 3: stuff about polygamy, stuff that I didn't even know when
Speaker 3: I was Mormon. You know, there's a Joseph Smith supposedly
Speaker 3: translated the these Golden Plates, and I used to be
Speaker 3: taught it was this Erman thumbum thing, which is like
Speaker 3: these pair of glasses and this little thing that kind
Speaker 3: of looked like an old school square and compass. And
Speaker 3: come to find out it was a you know, he
Speaker 3: used the scene stone with the top hat, which I
Speaker 3: actually learned about on South Park. Funny enough to come
Speaker 3: to find out it was it was true. So I
Speaker 3: have this three ring binder full of stuff of all
Speaker 3: these contradictions and all these things, and I still in
Speaker 3: this gets into the programming, hadn't been there for fifteen years,
Speaker 3: just evidence out the wall zoo, and I still didn't
Speaker 3: want to accept it. I still couldn't accept it, and
Speaker 3: it was driving me so nuts. I'm like pacing at
Speaker 3: this point, I think I was walking. I'm pacing back
Speaker 3: and forth and just trying to figure it out. So
Speaker 3: I had heard a podcast and it was one of
Speaker 3: these people that had been through satanic ritual abuse, and
Speaker 3: they they tied it back to the Mormon Church and
Speaker 3: it was kind of like just a you know, just
Speaker 3: just a blow to the head, and I remember I
Speaker 3: looked up, you know, towards you know, the firmament, and
Speaker 3: I asked God. It wasn't no lengthy prayer. I said,
Speaker 3: I need to know if this is true or not.
Speaker 3: And I walked outside. George I sat on my porch,
Speaker 3: and he answered me in the weirdest way ever. Because
Speaker 3: the Mormon Church teaches everything is because of your feelings.
Speaker 3: So they teach a burning in your bosom, They'll teach you,
Speaker 3: we'll we'll pray about the Book of Morning. If you
Speaker 3: get a burning in your bosom, it's true. And which
Speaker 3: kind of goes exactly opposite of what you know the
Speaker 3: Bible says. It says men's hearts are deceitful, you know.
Speaker 3: It talk talks about hold, you know, study and hold
Speaker 3: to what is what is true. So I go outside,
Speaker 3: so I said a little prayer to God. I go outside,
Speaker 3: and it was the weirdest thing. It was like four
Speaker 3: squirrels came to my feet. There was three hummingbirds that
Speaker 3: landed on this I got one of I got those
Speaker 3: little kind of Christmas light things. Outside. There was a
Speaker 3: couple of cardinals, I mean, just right by me. All
Speaker 3: these animals came and it was so weird. It was
Speaker 3: obvious because I was so used to like this filling
Speaker 3: stuff and I just looked up. I said, okay, So
Speaker 3: that was my answer. Later that night, I opened the
Speaker 3: Bible and I opened to Job twelve. I think it's
Speaker 3: seven to ten where it talks about it says ask
Speaker 3: the animals and they will teach you. Ask the birds
Speaker 3: in the sky and they will teach you. So that
Speaker 3: was that was my answer. So and from there I've
Speaker 3: kind of just been sifting through the weeds trying to,
Speaker 3: you know, figure everything out the best I can.
Speaker 1: That's an incredible story and so many questions to ask.
Speaker 1: First and foremost is a week from today is the
Speaker 1: three year anniversary of that event happening. So it is
Speaker 1: what an incredible story, and you've come so far in
Speaker 1: a short period of time. Something I cover on my
Speaker 1: other podcast quite a bit is the Sackler family. I've
Speaker 1: done a few standalone podcasts, and obviously you being in
Speaker 1: the rabbit holes, I'm sure and with everything that you've experienced,
Speaker 1: you've taking the time and going down some of these
Speaker 1: rabbit holes and it just blows my minds that that
Speaker 1: these wealthy families like the Sacklers are able to just
Speaker 1: settle with these state attorney generals and to wash their
Speaker 1: hands of all the damage they have done. But I
Speaker 1: know that it's more than that. It's more than money.
Speaker 1: It is like you mentioned, it's a spiritual battle. And
Speaker 1: you know these opioids. You know, sadly your story is
Speaker 1: one of a million, and unfortunately not all of them
Speaker 1: turn out the incredible way that yours did.
Speaker 3: That's right, George. One of the things that happened to
Speaker 3: me is I kind of wanted to get a little
Speaker 3: bit of the spiritual side of addiction. I so kind
Speaker 3: of jumping forward. Some of the things I've done for
Speaker 3: after after my my back stuff and my my paralysis
Speaker 3: is I've been I switched.
Speaker 1: I know you have.
Speaker 3: You've had a couple of guests on your show. I
Speaker 3: switched to a carnal or diet. I've been doing that
Speaker 3: for January, will be three years. Anyway, I tell you
Speaker 3: that I twenty four hour fast every day. I don't cheat.
Speaker 3: I tell you that because I have I have self discipline.
Speaker 3: I I get up at four every day, I go
Speaker 3: to the gym. And the reason I'm telling you is
Speaker 3: not the brag I want to. I want to go
Speaker 3: back and tell you I have a lot of self discipline,
Speaker 3: but I could not get off drugs. I couldn't. I
Speaker 3: couldn't do it with with my own power. However tough
Speaker 3: I was, or how much discipline I had, could not
Speaker 3: do it. And it was until I gave my life
Speaker 3: to Jesus that he blew that demon of addiction out
Speaker 3: of me. And then it was it was just a
Speaker 3: fight with the flesh, which, to be honest with you,
Speaker 3: isn't that big of a deal. It's it's it's not
Speaker 3: that hard. You know. Scripture says that you know your
Speaker 3: new creation, the oldest old to new is new. I'll
Speaker 3: take out your heart of stone and give you a
Speaker 3: heart of flesh. So it really seems like a past,
Speaker 3: a past life. But I think there's a lot and
Speaker 3: this is this is all stuff. So I asked, So
Speaker 3: I asked God. I said, you know, I was asking, like,
Speaker 3: why why could I never get off drugs? I mean,
Speaker 3: I just couldn't get off of them? And he said
Speaker 3: to me, he said, well, look into demonology. And this
Speaker 3: is something that I was just kind of clueless about.
Speaker 3: And so I started reading a bunch of different books
Speaker 3: on kind of exorcism, deliver ince that type of stuff,
Speaker 3: and you know, had had no idea all the kind
Speaker 3: of spiritual ramifications of different things with you know, all
Speaker 3: kinds of stuff opening doors. The Mormon Church teaches h
Speaker 3: They have what they call articles of faith. The second
Speaker 3: Article of Faith. I'm actually gonna because it's been so long,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna read it to you, but it says, we
Speaker 3: believe that men will not be punished for their own sin,
Speaker 3: will be punished for their own sins, and not for
Speaker 3: Adam's transgression. So they don't believe in original sin. And
Speaker 3: then I get reading the Bible and it's talking about
Speaker 3: you know, curses visited to the generations, you know, three
Speaker 3: and four generations back, and I start finding out, you know,
Speaker 3: some of this stuff I think is lineage stuff that's
Speaker 3: you know, plagued me and plagued my family.
Speaker 2: Anyway, it's interesting.
Speaker 1: If I can just add on to that, I've seen
Speaker 1: some YouTube videos and if I can find them, I'll
Speaker 1: put them in the show notes. There was one gentleman
Speaker 1: who opened up about his past and you know, talked
Speaker 1: about how, you know, some of these drugs do invite
Speaker 1: demons into you and take control for you know, a
Speaker 1: lesser wor right kind of controlled to take away. Like
Speaker 1: you said, you're a very disciplined person. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's really hard to explain how this guy talked about it,
Speaker 1: but he had mentioned something that really stood out to me.
Speaker 1: While he was in college, he had a Christian professor
Speaker 1: that warned people of modern day medicine. And again, not
Speaker 1: all modern day medicines are terrible, right, but the opioids
Speaker 1: and a lot of the things that are mind altering
Speaker 1: I think have a deeper, much deeper reasoning to them,
Speaker 1: and much nefarious side, which I think lends some credence
Speaker 1: to I've heard a lot of these stories.
Speaker 3: Well they absolutely do. I mean, you have you have
Speaker 3: all that stuff going on right now with these people
Speaker 3: who are micro dosi and hallucinogens, and I think I
Speaker 3: think some drugs are different than others with with having
Speaker 3: more door opening, if you will, But I mean, you're
Speaker 3: basically I think illegal accessing the spirit realm, and by
Speaker 3: doing that, you're kicking a door wide open. You don't
Speaker 3: know what's going to come through it, but they do.
Speaker 3: There's a I don't know if you've ever heard of
Speaker 3: doctor Jerry Marzinski.
Speaker 2: I'm not familiar with him.
Speaker 3: So I've heard him on a couple of podcasts. I
Speaker 3: think he has a book. He was a pretty cool
Speaker 3: story like for forty years, the lycos license psychotherapist and he
Speaker 3: worked with he worked with death rowing mates and mental
Speaker 3: mental ward patients, and he when he started, he's a
Speaker 3: full on atheist. It's a chemical balance in your head.
Speaker 3: And slowly through his journey he basically I think it's
Speaker 3: twenty two or twenty seven patterns he identifies that schizophrenics
Speaker 3: have in common, and he's, you know, he's trying to
Speaker 3: figure it out because if they're hallos hallucinating, it shouldn't
Speaker 3: be adhering to a pattern. So anyway, he ends up,
Speaker 3: you know, basically figuring out that this is, you know,
Speaker 3: these voices they're hearing, it's not it's not their own.
Speaker 3: But one of the things he says, going back to drugs,
Speaker 3: is that methamphetamines are one of the biggest gateway drugs
Speaker 3: for these voices these people here. So there's there's totally
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, they don't call you know, alcohol
Speaker 3: spirits for nothing, precisely.
Speaker 1: Somebody just mentioned that the other day and I went
Speaker 1: to his website, Jerry Mazinski.
Speaker 2: As soon as I saw his face, I recalled him.
Speaker 2: I have seen a few of his videos before, and
Speaker 2: he's he.
Speaker 1: Talks about that he believes that schizophrenics are not having
Speaker 1: hallucinations when they hear voices, they're actually hearing uh, demonic
Speaker 1: voices for you know, lack of a better word.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you uh, Like I said, I've read. I've
Speaker 3: read a few, quite a few different books, quite a
Speaker 3: few Exorcist and Deliverate with people kind of say the
Speaker 3: same thing that the time schizophrenics they're not crazy, they're
Speaker 3: they're being tortured. So it's pretty interesting. But lots of
Speaker 3: times it goes hand in hand with rug use. You know,
Speaker 3: you see, guy, I see them all the time down here,
Speaker 3: if I go to the city, you know, these homeless
Speaker 3: guys talking to themselves all over the place, and unfortunately,
Speaker 3: you know prime most of them.
Speaker 2: Are drug addicts one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: And I think everybody is seeing the uptick with all
Speaker 1: the states legalizing drugs, and it's just to me, you know,
Speaker 1: I used to laugh when I heard, you know, marijuana
Speaker 1: was a gateway drug, and then I saw what happened
Speaker 1: in Colorado and.
Speaker 2: I didn't laugh anymore. Yeah, right, it's insane.
Speaker 3: I kind of wonder too, Georgia. You know this stuff
Speaker 3: they made legal, I think it's a lot of it's synthetic,
Speaker 3: and I don't think it's the same same stuff Uncle
Speaker 3: Bobby was smoking back in the day.
Speaker 1: I've heard that from many fellow veterans who got their
Speaker 1: legal cards, and they said, man, this isn't the stuff
Speaker 1: we used to smoke back in the day.
Speaker 2: It's very powerful, and it's very are you addicting?
Speaker 1: And and most of them ended up either getting off
Speaker 1: on it or I don't want to say this, who's listening,
Speaker 1: but they may or may not.
Speaker 3: Be growing their own right right, Yeah, yeah, I've heard.
Speaker 3: I was never a big marijuana I actually didn't like it.
Speaker 3: But you know, I've heard a lot of people say
Speaker 3: that this this new stuff, it's almost got like stuff
Speaker 3: in it to make you hallucinate and everything. It's just way,
Speaker 3: way more than you know, the original.
Speaker 2: Plant it is. I'm so glad to hear.
Speaker 1: You know, we hear the stories of secular problems being
Speaker 1: addressed with secular ideals, but I say all the time,
Speaker 1: many of our secular problems need to be addressed through
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. And you're a living example of how you know,
Speaker 1: Jesus does save and having faith does save, and we
Speaker 1: need to turn our lives over to him. And I
Speaker 1: learned something when I first started seminary was I would
Speaker 1: pray to God tell him what I wanted. But his
Speaker 1: plan and our plan aren't always the same. And it's
Speaker 1: just a matter of us being better listeners and following
Speaker 1: the path that He wants us to take. And when
Speaker 1: we don't do that that I believe that's when we
Speaker 1: encounter hard times. And I've become a better listener and
Speaker 1: going along his path.
Speaker 3: Yep, absolutely, George. Uh, sometimes we want to we want
Speaker 3: to make our own way, and uh, we end up
Speaker 3: kind of finding out the hard way. You know what, George,
Speaker 3: I've been through a lot of stuff and you know
Speaker 3: I still have you know, I walk, and I still
Speaker 3: got some balance issues and things, and you know, I
Speaker 3: have a past that's you know, full of all kinds
Speaker 3: of uh you know, legal problems and and and uh
Speaker 3: you know kids, kids I don't see and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: But looking at it now, I mean I wouldn't change anything.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's you know, it's made me made me
Speaker 3: who I am. And I think, uh, everything is in
Speaker 3: God's eyes is done on the purpose. Uh. And I
Speaker 3: think that there's that scripture that says, you know, what
Speaker 3: Satan intended for evil, God will use for good, and uh,
Speaker 3: you know it's it's it's it's been a long road,
Speaker 3: but you know, still still moving forward. So when I
Speaker 3: was in AUH, going back to the pharmaceutical stuff. When
Speaker 3: I got out of the hospital, they had me on
Speaker 3: so much stuff. I mean, I could fall asleep talking
Speaker 3: to you right now. It was. It was crazy. I
Speaker 3: remember saying to my wife, I said it just like this.
Speaker 3: I said, I ain't taking this shit no more. And
Speaker 3: she's like, you have to take it. I'm like, no,
Speaker 3: I don't. So I got a pill cutter and I
Speaker 3: started cutting it in half and taking half of it,
Speaker 3: and then I went down to a quarter and I
Speaker 3: figured it out. It really wasn't even doing anything. And
Speaker 3: that's when I started reading about inflammation and kind of
Speaker 3: looking into foods and things, and I started doing the
Speaker 3: carnivore diet and it's, you know, it's it's immensely not
Speaker 3: even with with just stuff that I didn't even notice
Speaker 3: before I started doing that. I had hideous heartburn and
Speaker 3: like acid reflux. That's totally gone. I used to drink
Speaker 3: before I go to bed. Well, I've been on sleep medicine,
Speaker 3: but I used to drink before I went to bed,
Speaker 3: a whole bottle of zequill to go to sleep. My
Speaker 3: whole life, I had problem sleep. I sleep like a rock.
Speaker 3: Now I don't take anything. When I got out of
Speaker 3: the hospital too, I got this weird rash on my
Speaker 3: chin all over my chest and I couldn't get rid
Speaker 3: of it. So I went to a dermatologist. And this
Speaker 3: is before I started cleaning up the diet. And he
Speaker 3: said to me, I can't remember what it's called, but
Speaker 3: he said to me, yeah, you'll have it your whole
Speaker 3: life and you can't get rid of it. And I said, well,
Speaker 3: you maybe I'll have my whole life. I'm you know,
Speaker 3: I think at the time I was forty three. I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm forties. I've never He said, yeah, it probably came
Speaker 3: on from all the stress of the surgeries and stuff.
Speaker 3: But we have a cream for that, he said.
Speaker 2: We haven't. Yeah, yeah, I've got a prescription for you.
Speaker 3: He said, put the cream on. It'll go away when
Speaker 3: it comes back, put the cream on, you know, and
Speaker 3: he said, if you run out of cream, come back
Speaker 3: and see me. So I did it, you know, and
Speaker 3: like you said it would, it would, it would go
Speaker 3: away with the cream, come back and put the cream
Speaker 3: back on. And I noticed about a year and two diet,
Speaker 3: the carnivore diet, it just never came back, never had
Speaker 3: it again.
Speaker 1: That's that's the common thing I hear about that diet.
Speaker 1: There's a homesteader we follow on YouTube, we've been following
Speaker 1: on for years, and he had a serious skin condition.
Speaker 1: He even left California moved to North Carolina thinking that
Speaker 1: that would help it.
Speaker 2: And it did to a certain extent.
Speaker 1: He got away from the city and all of that,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't until he went to the carnivore diet
Speaker 1: that same thing skin rash. The doctor said he'd always
Speaker 1: have it. To a certain extent stent, they had some
Speaker 1: medicines that could help. And within I think you said,
Speaker 1: ninety days of doing the carnivore diet, it was gone
Speaker 1: and it's never come back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I know who you're talking about. Maybe
Speaker 3: I think I've seen them on YouTube. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 3: pretty incredible. I mean I think, uh, and I've I've
Speaker 3: kind of gone more more than just that. I mean,
Speaker 3: I've got into look at you know, I think you
Speaker 3: make your own detergent and stuff like that. I mean,
Speaker 3: I make my own soap, I make my own deodorant,
Speaker 3: I make my own skin balm. What else do we do? Sunblock,
Speaker 3: try to distill on my own water, mintal, put minerals
Speaker 3: back in it. Try to do as much as we
Speaker 3: can to kind of get all the you know, all
Speaker 3: this poison and chemicals and everything else that we're being
Speaker 3: bombarded without.
Speaker 2: Uh. So the Land is the YouTube channel?
Speaker 3: What's it called?
Speaker 2: So the Land?
Speaker 3: Oh no, there's another guy. He's a home. His is
Speaker 3: actually called homestead or something. I can'mera the name. It
Speaker 3: has homestead or in it. And he's a corner. Where's
Speaker 3: who I thought it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, i'll put that in the show notes for sure.
Speaker 1: As we start to make our way into flat Earth,
Speaker 1: which is you've had quite the journey already. I did
Speaker 1: want to talk about programming, because between addiction and pharmaceuticals
Speaker 1: and Mormonism is a bit of programming, whether it's intentional
Speaker 1: or I believe most of it is intentional, but whether
Speaker 1: it's through television or you know, Mormonism, or whatever the
Speaker 1: case may be. You know, when you look at all
Speaker 1: the different rabbit holes, it can be nine to eleven
Speaker 1: flat earth. At the end of the day, they all
Speaker 1: link back to Satan, and they want to keep you
Speaker 1: away from the truth. Right, And when we're searching for truth,
Speaker 1: the ultimate truth is is Jesus Christ. But all the
Speaker 1: underlyings of that, the program through television, through social media,
Speaker 1: through the left right paradigm. It is quite uh, the
Speaker 1: matrix that they've built in order to program everyone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty crazy, George, when you realize, you know,
Speaker 3: like it says in scripture that you know, Satan is
Speaker 3: the god of this world, and you realize that his
Speaker 3: hands are in everything everything, you know, history, food, you know, cosmology, everything, everything,
Speaker 3: It's crazy. I mean, he's he's done a good job.
Speaker 3: He's done he's done a real good job with with stuff.
Speaker 3: And you know, we have to we have to sit
Speaker 3: through the weeds and pick the bones out of everything
Speaker 3: to try to figure it out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're starting to see the people, even the
Speaker 1: people who I thought would never notice, are starting to notice.
Speaker 1: Whether it's all of these weather events, I had a
Speaker 1: certain relative who you could categorize normy as normy can
Speaker 1: be text me and say, wow, they're really controlling the weather.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 1: I thought, wow, I never thought I would get this
Speaker 1: text from you. And then you know the slap in
Speaker 1: the face with the Epstein stuff. But I think a
Speaker 1: lot of that is just just a poke at us,
Speaker 1: saying to Macus like we could like that. I could
Speaker 1: see them literally having a side bet saying hey, I bete.
Speaker 1: We could say that, you know, nothing ever happened with
Speaker 1: Epstein and they'll do nothing about it.
Speaker 2: This is how you know. I think a lot of
Speaker 2: it is mockery at this point.
Speaker 3: Well that and how can they put a list that
Speaker 3: when they're all on it, you know, exactly.
Speaker 2: Every single one of them.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, the programming is just I mean, it's
Speaker 3: just crazy. You know. There's a scripture in Proverbs fourteen
Speaker 3: twelve it says there is there is a way which
Speaker 3: seems right to a man, but at the end leads
Speaker 3: to death. In Proverbs eighteen seventeen says in a lawsuit,
Speaker 3: the first to speak seems right until the second person
Speaker 3: comes in and cross examines him. So I think a
Speaker 3: lot of this stuff we just don't, you know, we
Speaker 3: hear it and just take it for granted, we don't
Speaker 3: look into it. And then once you want, you take
Speaker 3: the time. And I think that's the other thing is
Speaker 3: we just don't have time. I mean, it's they keep
Speaker 3: us so busy with you know, bills and work and
Speaker 3: you know, having to pay this and that, and then
Speaker 3: in your free time you're you know on Facebook or
Speaker 3: all this. You know, it's all static and filters to
Speaker 3: keep you busy and tied up and not you know,
Speaker 3: too tired to do anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the most important part of the matrix, I
Speaker 1: believe is making sure there's a cost for everything. That's
Speaker 1: why people like Nikola Tesla were so trivialized because you know,
Speaker 1: paying for electric and you know, we they want us
Speaker 1: to be one hundred percent dependent on them.
Speaker 2: You look at the gentleman.
Speaker 1: Who created you know, these vehicles that could run on
Speaker 1: water that you know they ended.
Speaker 3: They had a heart attack.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one guy died in the parking lot after drinking
Speaker 1: cranberry juice. The other guy was killed in the top
Speaker 1: shooting in Buffalo. And it's just you know, tuesdayn interviewing
Speaker 1: Scott Share he had a lawsuit against the medical industrial complex,
Speaker 1: and thirty minutes after all the proof they had, they
Speaker 1: just said, nope, we rule for the hospital. It's it's
Speaker 1: truly an uphill battle. And that's why, you know Proverbs
Speaker 1: fourteen twelve when you mentioned that there's a way that
Speaker 1: seems right to a man, but its end is the
Speaker 1: way of death. Right talking about the deceptive nature of
Speaker 1: these things, what what is important?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: What should we be seeking wisdom and discernment? And you know,
Speaker 1: what is it one thousand, four hundred and forty minutes
Speaker 1: every single day, what are we doing with each and
Speaker 1: every one of them? We should be using that in
Speaker 1: a positive manner. That shouldn't be involved in, you know,
Speaker 1: debating over Trump and all this other nonsense.
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, these people don't.
Speaker 1: And the Bible is very clear about wealthy people. There's
Speaker 1: a if you think about these words, there's a better
Speaker 1: chance of a camel going through the eye and needle
Speaker 1: than a wealthy man getting into heaven. That says a
Speaker 1: lot about our elite class, the ruling class.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's all of it. To me. It's
Speaker 3: kind of like a false reality pulled over God's reality
Speaker 3: and we're too busy looking in this fall. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's not even like real. It's like an illusion.
Speaker 2: The Truman Show.
Speaker 3: It is exactly. It is exactly.
Speaker 1: And speaking to the Truman Show, the boat has hit
Speaker 1: the wall. Let's talk about your journey to flat Earth?
Speaker 2: How did all that happen?
Speaker 3: Well, George, I don't know how weird you want to get,
Speaker 3: but about what it would be About fifteen years ago,
Speaker 3: when I first came to Louisiana, I came to this
Speaker 3: big construction company and I'm gonna make this kind of quick,
Speaker 3: but they put me in the middle of nowhere in
Speaker 3: this house they paid for housing. I was all by myself,
Speaker 3: and they told me later on they put more guys
Speaker 3: in there with me, and most of the guys lived
Speaker 3: in town, but all those apartments were full the guys
Speaker 3: that were working on the construction project. Anyway, I saw
Speaker 3: something real weird. Not only did I see it, it
Speaker 3: messed me forout a month, and I thought it was
Speaker 3: a demon. I thought that house was haunted. It wasn't
Speaker 3: until years later. I was driving to Orlando, and I
Speaker 3: didn't even know about podcasts at the time, but I
Speaker 3: was sick of listening to music and so I went
Speaker 3: on YouTube and I saw something about Bigfoot and I
Speaker 3: clicked on it thinking it was a movie, and it
Speaker 3: was like the podcast that they record and put on YouTube, Like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is stupid. Well, I kept listening to it and
Speaker 3: I had to pull over because it was like exactly
Speaker 3: what had happened to me in that house. So I
Speaker 3: kind of got into it through Bigfoot and different stuff
Speaker 3: like that. And the crazy part was I started, you know,
Speaker 3: listening and looking at and reading all kinds of stuff
Speaker 3: about hollow Earth, you know, all these other conspiracies nine
Speaker 3: to eleven, and I and I kept getting I kept
Speaker 3: getting hearing people mention flat Earth, and I was like,
Speaker 3: that's the most ridiculous thing I ever heard of. It
Speaker 3: was just so dumb. And then I ended up hearing
Speaker 3: Dave Weiss on a show. It was a podcast I
Speaker 3: listened to and he was on it, and you know,
Speaker 3: he made a lot of sense, and so I searched
Speaker 3: him on Spotify and listened to him a few more times,
Speaker 3: and then lo and behold your show popped in on
Speaker 3: like the recommendations, and you know, I listened to the
Speaker 3: first one, whiy to Lie, and then I you know,
Speaker 3: it took me. It kind of still took me a
Speaker 3: while to accept it. But it's just you know, there's
Speaker 3: there's more, there's more proof than there is a you know,
Speaker 3: things against it. I mean I went out and kind
Speaker 3: of did my own things too old. Let me fine.
Speaker 3: So for work, I work in the construction field and
Speaker 3: we all use levels right, plumbs and levels right. But
Speaker 3: I was I was gonna say, is I use a
Speaker 3: drone on a daily basis?
Speaker 2: Really?
Speaker 3: Yeah? And I was one time, so I was in
Speaker 3: I was in a town here, and I flew the
Speaker 3: drone up and then drone will tell you where it's at.
Speaker 3: It was sixty two feet above the trees. I was
Speaker 3: forty eight miles from New Orleans, so sixty two feet
Speaker 3: forty eight miles. And they actually have you google it.
Speaker 3: They have an Earth curvature calculator. You can just punch
Speaker 3: the numbers into it. I ask you the miles, you know
Speaker 3: how high you are, and it'll tell you. And I
Speaker 3: could see all the New Orleans, the buildings top to bottom.
Speaker 3: It was supposed to be what it said, six hundred
Speaker 3: and eighty eight miles below curvature. No, I'm wronging that.
Speaker 3: When it was nine hundred and thirty one below curvature.
Speaker 3: The other one I did. I could get to the
Speaker 3: edge of my town and you go across the big
Speaker 3: lake Lake Poncha Training. From the edge, I could see
Speaker 3: New Orleans. That's thirty six miles. I actually drove that
Speaker 3: and I put in six feet, which was probably because
Speaker 3: I was sitting in a car, probably not even that.
Speaker 3: I just put in what you know, height wise, and
Speaker 3: that was six hundred and eighty eight feet. It was
Speaker 3: supposed to be below curvature. Then, just a lot of
Speaker 3: stuff like you mentioned being in construction. I mean, we
Speaker 3: use levels all the time, the little bubble inside of it,
Speaker 3: you know, water sits level all the time. Other thing.
Speaker 3: I kind of a lot of my stuff just uh,
Speaker 3: you know, kind of how how I didn't I didn't
Speaker 3: think with common sense. So, like I mentioned, I go
Speaker 3: to the gym every morning at at four and I've
Speaker 3: actually taken a bunch of pictures since then of how
Speaker 3: the moon many mornings it'll just if you if you
Speaker 3: look at the moon, it'll just light up the clouds
Speaker 3: around it. It doesn't light up the whole the whole sky,
Speaker 3: you know. And I'd look at and big how's it
Speaker 3: like spotlighting on just those ones. You know, it doesn't
Speaker 3: didn't make sense. But like I said, I take pictures
Speaker 3: of that all the time. And then I think, uh,
Speaker 3: I got into uh kind of the NASA NASA bloop
Speaker 3: or stuff and and and you know, and I mean,
Speaker 3: like I said, it just it's crazy. I mean, I
Speaker 3: think it's just a big money scheme.
Speaker 1: Oh sure, seventy million dollars a day plus you know,
Speaker 1: Trump and Elon like to pretend that they're enemies, but
Speaker 1: that's just more black ops money for you know, for
Speaker 1: the elite ruling class and to use against us.
Speaker 2: And the moon landing.
Speaker 1: You know, when you really think about you know, you
Speaker 1: mentioned Satan is the ruler of this earth, and you
Speaker 1: know it's kind of sad when you think about it,
Speaker 1: that man's greatest accomplishment is a lie. I mean that
Speaker 1: just really explains everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it is. It's incredible even I mean
Speaker 3: even if it even if it was real, seventy million
Speaker 3: dollars a day to what bring back a moon rock?
Speaker 3: How does that help uvanity? I mean, I'm driving across
Speaker 3: potholes and stuff.
Speaker 2: Down here, exactly. It is.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's insane. But it's one of those things.
Speaker 3: Once you see it, you can't unsee it.
Speaker 2: You can't.
Speaker 1: And it's like I said before, it all ties in together,
Speaker 1: and everything's a lie.
Speaker 2: Politics at the federal level. R Ali.
Speaker 1: It's the music industry when you look and see all
Speaker 1: of the big bands over the years all have a
Speaker 1: connection to the CIA, the OSS, you know, the police
Speaker 1: from the eighties and Jim Morrison's dad was the Admiral
Speaker 1: of the Gulf of Tonkin. You know, the USS, Maddocks
Speaker 1: and all these people. You know, there's just too many coincidences.
Speaker 1: And you know, at some point, let me ask you
Speaker 1: this did Did this evidence of flat earth come at
Speaker 1: you at a particular time where you believe it had
Speaker 1: to come to Like if it were had come earlier,
Speaker 1: would you even paid attention to it?
Speaker 3: No, I think it came at the right time because
Speaker 3: I was you know, a lot of people I know
Speaker 3: that are on the show woke up during COVID and
Speaker 3: I didn't. I was still shooting dope. I mean I was.
Speaker 3: Mine was kind of you know, like I said, when
Speaker 3: I I prayed the Lord, he started showing me all stuff.
Speaker 3: But I had been down a bunch of rabbit holes
Speaker 3: and you know stuff that people say is crazy with
Speaker 3: like I said, Bigfoot and things like that, and I'd
Speaker 3: see flat Earth and I'm like, oh, that's that's the
Speaker 3: dodubest thing I ever heard of. But I think it's
Speaker 3: just uh, you know, it's just one of those things
Speaker 3: when you take the time to actually look at something.
Speaker 3: You know, I think it in the programming. Go back
Speaker 3: to the programming. I mean they've they've done a good
Speaker 3: job too. If like Holleywood, Star Wars and Star Trek,
Speaker 3: I mean, I think these people want it to be real,
Speaker 3: like they they want it to be real, and it's
Speaker 3: just that's why they won't give it a glance.
Speaker 2: That's a good point. All the programming.
Speaker 1: You know, how many people are just Star Wars right,
Speaker 1: even the baseball The Phillies have their Star Wars and
Speaker 1: people will go to a baseball game dressed is you know,
Speaker 1: insert your your Star Wars character here.
Speaker 2: And they wanted they want it to be real.
Speaker 3: You're right, right, Yeah, it's crazy. So anyway, anyway, so
Speaker 3: the NASA stuff, gravity was you know when I when
Speaker 3: I started looking at flat Earth, gravity was kind of
Speaker 3: weird because I said, there, like I said, it's just
Speaker 3: we we just don't think. Like I was saying to
Speaker 3: my kid the other day, I'm like, how is it
Speaker 3: that you know, the the gravity is holding down trillions
Speaker 3: and trillions of gallons of water, but that moth just
Speaker 3: flew by my face? Why is it not like sucked
Speaker 3: down and splattered to the ground.
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: It makes no sense?
Speaker 1: Like people, you truly can't comprehend the weight of the
Speaker 1: amount of water we have in the oceans.
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, I don't think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, but a butterfly or you name it
Speaker 2: can just gently float away. But Bill Ny the.
Speaker 1: Sign sky can sit down and explain some ridiculous explanation
Speaker 1: and they'll look at you and say, see, you're such
Speaker 1: a dummy, and then they'll mock you, like the other
Speaker 1: guy talking about how the curvature of the earth or
Speaker 1: the road the speed the Earth was spinning caused a
Speaker 1: field goal against the Cincinnati Bengals to to go in,
Speaker 1: or some stupid ridiculous yeah, Neil the grass Tyson and people,
Speaker 1: will you look at that video now? Granted the comments
Speaker 1: to be turned off because people are waking up, but
Speaker 1: it'll hundreds of thousands, if not millions of us people
Speaker 1: eat that.
Speaker 3: Stuff up, right, Yeah, they they probably all paid actors. George.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, did you realize at the time, I know,
Speaker 1: I don't want to use the word gravity, the gravity
Speaker 1: when you know of realizing flat Earth, Like, did it
Speaker 1: come at you in waves or did you kind of
Speaker 1: pretty much understand how they were using it to hide
Speaker 1: God And did it help you understand the Bible better
Speaker 1: things of that nature.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I never even really considered the Bible
Speaker 3: stuff until later. I mean, all these other little things
Speaker 3: kind of came up, and then once I started going
Speaker 3: over the Bible stuff, I was kind of like, wow,
Speaker 3: I mean it it supports you know, and you know,
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know. I think a lot of
Speaker 3: people have said that. You know, I don't really like
Speaker 3: the word flat earth. I mean, it could be a
Speaker 3: diamond for all we know, but I do know is
Speaker 3: not what they're telling us, right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You do the corners, right, the four corners of the
Speaker 1: world and the four winds.
Speaker 3: Ye steadfast and unmovable. You know, we're we're we're spinning
Speaker 3: and corkscrewing, you know, about one thousand miles an hour
Speaker 3: and six hundred and sixty six thousand, you know, around
Speaker 3: the sun and chasing it half a million to go
Speaker 3: outside and you know there's birds chirping, and you know
Speaker 3: we're not moving.
Speaker 1: If I was able to hack into the Internet into
Speaker 1: every TV station and radio station around the world, and
Speaker 1: I could blast your face in front of every single
Speaker 1: individual for five minut it's what would be your best
Speaker 1: presentation of telling people about the true shape of this earth?
Speaker 3: My best presentation would probably be h It would probably
Speaker 3: be I mean, I guess, I guess it depends on
Speaker 3: who I was talking to. You know, it could be
Speaker 3: the Bible, if I was talking to a you know,
Speaker 3: a Christian person to try to find some I guess
Speaker 3: common ground because to some of these people just sound
Speaker 3: so nuts when you when you when you try to
Speaker 3: tell them. But definitely, I think lots of times I'll
Speaker 3: ask people little little questions that you know you've probably
Speaker 3: heard before. You know, if if if the if the
Speaker 3: sun's ninety three million miles away, then why you know,
Speaker 3: why space black? Why is it not all lit up?
Speaker 3: How's how's it just spotlighting on the earth? You know,
Speaker 3: things like that, and and just kind of leave it
Speaker 3: at that to make some questions, like the thing I
Speaker 3: was talking about the clouds. When I was out in Arkansas,
Speaker 3: my sister was there and we went to Walmart is
Speaker 3: a big fire workshop there in Bentonville. Before they started,
Speaker 3: the moon was exactly like that, lit up the clouds,
Speaker 3: and I asked her, I said, uh, you know, if
Speaker 3: the moon is what is it two hundred and thirty
Speaker 3: four thousand miles away? They tell us why are why
Speaker 3: is it just lighting up those two clouds around it?
Speaker 3: So I think I don't know. For me, I think
Speaker 3: it's stuff like that instead of trying to do a
Speaker 3: big presentation lots of times too, and I think you've
Speaker 3: said it is. You know, they'll want to defend it,
Speaker 3: and you know, I know more about the globe than
Speaker 3: they do.
Speaker 2: That's a great point.
Speaker 1: If you ask people how how far away the sun is,
Speaker 1: you might get five who got it right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't know, they don't know. And then I'll
Speaker 3: tell them, you know, you're trying to defend something you
Speaker 3: don't even know about. But you know, it's just it's
Speaker 3: just it's just crazy how it's pushed on us too. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I never noticed until you know, I got into the
Speaker 3: flat Earth community. All the globes, you know, from the
Speaker 3: time your kids in Sesame Street and on this and
Speaker 3: I got small children, they'll watch stuff and there's you know,
Speaker 3: there's I see them all the time. There's globes all
Speaker 3: over the place, an astronaut, a fake rocket. I mean,
Speaker 3: it just like drilled into your head.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: They pushed the history that they want on you. And
Speaker 1: I was actually at the beach. I took my daughters
Speaker 1: down to an event and there was a library there,
Speaker 1: so I walked in and I sat in the library
Speaker 1: for ninety minutes and I read books. I think the
Speaker 1: latest book was from the nineteen fifties, and it talked
Speaker 1: about the Civil War and some things that you'd never
Speaker 1: find in the textbooks today, and some of the science books.
Speaker 1: I'd love going back and reading the old books because
Speaker 1: what they taught back then is completely different than what
Speaker 1: they taught today. So one of the things that I
Speaker 1: have found is the textbooks after World War Two are much,
Speaker 1: I mean so much different than the textbooks from before.
Speaker 3: Right, yep, absolutely right.
Speaker 2: Pushing pushing the narrative. For sure.
Speaker 1: Did when you finally took in flat earth, as you know,
Speaker 1: and I'm again we're just using that term for for
Speaker 1: what it is, But did it have the same impact
Speaker 1: on you on other rabbit holes, like for instance, to me,
Speaker 1: I felt betrayed when I found the truth about nine
Speaker 1: to eleven. I was more mad at myself when I
Speaker 1: found out the truth about you know, the spinning ball
Speaker 1: was a lie? Or was it just one of those
Speaker 1: things like how well, of course it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was kind of more of course it is.
Speaker 3: Everything else is I mean, everything else is a lie? Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean it's it's it's it's crazy. I kind of
Speaker 3: kind of got in, got in a little bit, you know.
Speaker 3: I know there's people on talking about the weird history
Speaker 3: stuff with the old buildings and stuff, and that's a
Speaker 3: crazy rabbit hole. You know. It's funny my kids, Uh,
Speaker 3: I have a an eight and a twelve year old
Speaker 3: here that lived with me, and they'll you know, we
Speaker 3: just drove from here to Arkansas, like I was telling you,
Speaker 3: we went through a little rock and they're yelling, hey,
Speaker 3: there's a founded building.
Speaker 2: They watched the lunch Break.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well they don't watch too much. I just talk
Speaker 3: about them. But it's it's it's pretty pretty interesting because
Speaker 3: they once you see those two they stick out like
Speaker 3: sore thumps.
Speaker 1: They really do have you ever done any research into that,
Speaker 1: any ponderance of when the timeline was really switched up?
Speaker 3: Yet some George, you know, I go back and forth
Speaker 3: on the little season thing. You know, it makes a
Speaker 3: lot of sense, and I'm almost kind of wondering if
Speaker 3: stuff isn't like circular where maybe a lot of that
Speaker 3: stuff did happen, but it's gonna happen again. I was
Speaker 3: just looking at what's that one scripture they always use
Speaker 3: in Matthew twenty four when they talk about this generation.
Speaker 2: All do these things will come to pass in this generation?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the one they I'm trying to look it up. Quick,
Speaker 3: give me a sick Yeah, what is it that?
Speaker 2: H thirty verse thirty four.
Speaker 1: Truly, I tell you this generation will certainly not pass
Speaker 1: away until all of these things have happened.
Speaker 2: Heaven and Earth will pass away, but my words will
Speaker 2: never pass away.
Speaker 3: Right, So that's what was that? What was that scripture?
Speaker 2: Matthew twenty four, verse thirty four.
Speaker 3: So if you read Matthew twenty three, thirty seven to
Speaker 3: thirty nine, it says, Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you kill the prophets
Speaker 3: and stone those who have been sent to you. How
Speaker 3: often I have wanted to gather my little, my children
Speaker 3: in a way that a hen, that a hen gathers
Speaker 3: her young under her wings. But you were not willing behold.
Speaker 3: Your house shall be abandoned to you, having been deserted before.
Speaker 3: I say to you, you shall not see me again
Speaker 3: until you say, Blessed is he who comes in the
Speaker 3: name of the Lord. And so it just you know, I,
Speaker 3: like I said, I go back and forth on it
Speaker 3: because he's when when it says little, you know, this
Speaker 3: generation in this, he's kind of if you go before
Speaker 3: in this Matthew twenty three, he's talking about the temple.
Speaker 3: So I don't know, but it's it's definitely something's weird.
Speaker 3: I mean just google, you know, Library of Congress and
Speaker 3: look at that building and they're you know, they're all
Speaker 3: over the place. Like I said, I'm in construction and
Speaker 3: there's no way we could do that today. And then
Speaker 3: you look into the you know, it was made in
Speaker 3: two years by a couple of prisoners and you know,
Speaker 3: a donkey and a wheelbarrow. I mean impossible. So you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know, trying to trying to
Speaker 3: figure it all out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's powerful. I'm glad you brought that up. Jesus
Speaker 1: speaking at the end of Matthew twenty three, right, and
Speaker 1: how he's talking about how he has longed to gather
Speaker 1: you together but you were not willing man.
Speaker 2: That's uh.
Speaker 1: You could almost hear the frustration in his voice, right,
Speaker 1: And I guess it's kind of the same frustration, you know,
Speaker 1: not necessarily when we try to connect with others on
Speaker 1: biblical cosmology, but sharing the Gospel as well. And I think,
Speaker 1: and listen, I'm not sitting here on a mountain preaching
Speaker 1: down to the people, but I do think there's a
Speaker 1: lot of people who think they're saved, but they're not.
Speaker 1: You know, salvation doesn't come from your lips.
Speaker 2: It comes from our heart and absolutely hard it truly does.
Speaker 1: And my buddy, who is he spends ten hours a week,
Speaker 1: We text all day long.
Speaker 2: He's very passionate about the Word.
Speaker 1: And his big thing is there's and this A lot
Speaker 1: of people don't like to hear this, but there's a
Speaker 1: there's a lot of nice people in hell, and that's
Speaker 1: that's tough to hear.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: During the seventeen fifties, there was a lot of that
Speaker 1: brimstone preaching that people turned away from because they just
Speaker 1: they didn't want to hear that stuff. But there's a
Speaker 1: reality to it that people need to understand that there
Speaker 1: are consequences for their actions. Right, that shouldn't You shouldn't
Speaker 1: be going to church every weekend and hearing that NonStop.
Speaker 1: But it does need to be spoken that there is
Speaker 1: repercussions for our actions. You know, it takes more than
Speaker 1: showing up to church once a week.
Speaker 2: It's uh.
Speaker 1: Attrition and repentance means doing your best to turn away. Obviously,
Speaker 1: we're all going to fall again, We're all going to
Speaker 1: make mistakes, right, That's that, That is the power of
Speaker 1: the blood of Jesus Christ. However, we have to make
Speaker 1: an effort to turn away from our sins when we repent.
Speaker 1: Repent comes from the heart, not from the lips.
Speaker 3: Correct. Yeah, yep, at the end of the day. My
Speaker 3: smallest kid asked me the other day and she said,
Speaker 3: you know what religion is the true one and you
Speaker 3: know which people are saved? And you know I said,
Speaker 3: I said the same thing to her. I said, at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, God doesn't see denominations, he
Speaker 3: sees your heart. And I think people get too wrapped
Speaker 3: up in in in religion, and they don't truly even
Speaker 3: know the Lord.
Speaker 2: That's a great point. That's a great point. You know.
Speaker 2: People used to say, you know, what are you to hear?
Speaker 1: Methodist, Pentecostal, Catholic, Christian, And now I just I don't
Speaker 1: use any of those terms.
Speaker 2: I just I follow Christ right honestly.
Speaker 1: That's because I see how deluded the term Christianity has become,
Speaker 1: and how a lot of places institutions have set the bar.
Speaker 2: And again that's not me.
Speaker 1: I'm flawed like everybody else, but even my you know,
Speaker 1: my broken self can see how far some of these
Speaker 1: churches have fell away from the true Word of God.
Speaker 3: It's sad. It's sad, George. You know, that's all I
Speaker 3: always say. As well, you know, I follow Jesus Christ. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I actually, uh, we go, we go, we go to
Speaker 3: Catholic Church, George. And I could get into that a
Speaker 3: little bit, because that's been a rougher one for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. So so for me.
Speaker 1: One of the biggest things I will tell you, like
Speaker 1: just so with the Catholic Church. The thing I have
Speaker 1: a problem with is and this is just from what
Speaker 1: I you know, I know of Catholicism is you know,
Speaker 1: the Bible specific not about calling a man father.
Speaker 2: That's a big one for me. The worship of Mary
Speaker 2: and what's the other one.
Speaker 1: Obviously you know what happened back in the fifteen hundreds
Speaker 1: was then. But those those are the big things for me, obviously,
Speaker 1: the hierarchy with the pope.
Speaker 3: And everything, right right, I mean, and you know, at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, it's religion. So I used
Speaker 3: to go I used to go out to the Catholic
Speaker 3: Church like a like a rocket ship and uh on
Speaker 3: two occasions, and my my wife is very religious. In
Speaker 3: two occasions, the Lord kind of told me to calm
Speaker 3: down with it. So anyway, that that's why why I've
Speaker 3: kept going. But I think there's that, and it's led
Speaker 3: me down my own journey to sure question a lot
Speaker 3: of things, you know, like I don't I don't pray
Speaker 3: the saints, I don't do rosaries. But there is a
Speaker 3: lot of you know, there's a lot of stuff that
Speaker 3: So for example, the and I I did the same
Speaker 3: thing that that scripture Matthew twenty three. I think it
Speaker 3: is don't call in any man father, but you know
Speaker 3: your father who is in heaven. I quit. I wouldn't
Speaker 3: call I wouldn't call the priest father because of that scripture.
Speaker 3: But you know then I actually kind of looked at it,
Speaker 3: and if you it's it's it's kind of weird because
Speaker 3: if you read other parts of the Bible, you have
Speaker 3: Joseph tells his brother that God has made him a
Speaker 3: father to Pharaoh. That's in Genesis forty five, Job twenty eight.
Speaker 3: I was a father of the poor Isaiah twenty two.
Speaker 3: I will call my servant Elichem, the son of Heli,
Speaker 3: and clothe him with a robe, and he will bind
Speaker 3: a girdle on him, and I will commit the authority
Speaker 3: to his hand, and he shall be a father to
Speaker 3: the inhabitants of Jerusalem and into the house of Judah.
Speaker 3: Second Kings. Alicia cries, my father, my father to Elijah.
Speaker 3: And there's a lot of stuff in the New Testament too,
Speaker 3: where you know, Peter refers to our father Abraham. Paul
Speaker 3: speaks of our father Isaac. Paul refers to Timothy as
Speaker 3: his child many times, my beloved and faithful Child's first Corinthians,
Speaker 3: Timothy my true child and faith, grace, mercy, and peace,
Speaker 3: And it kind of goes on and on, so I
Speaker 3: start looking at it more. And you know, if you
Speaker 3: read the couple verses above that in I think it's
Speaker 3: six to seven, it says he's talking about the Pharisees
Speaker 3: and how they like to be called father, to have
Speaker 3: the high places and the first chairs in the meetings
Speaker 3: in the marketplace being called master. And then if you
Speaker 3: go below the scripture, it also talks about not calling
Speaker 3: anybody teacher and not calling anybody master. And there's numerous
Speaker 3: times where they you know, they appoint teachers and prophets anyway,
Speaker 3: So it's just stuff that it's you know, I think
Speaker 3: it he's talking more to like cult like leaders there.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you could, to be fair.
Speaker 1: In Matthew twenty three eight, I mean he's talking to
Speaker 1: the disciples and the crowd there at the time he did,
Speaker 1: he was having a problem. He was critiquing the religious
Speaker 1: leaders of their time for their hypocrisy and pride, which,
Speaker 1: to be fair, we see that all the time here
Speaker 1: even listen, even with the Protestant denominations right, the same thing,
Speaker 1: and this also lends credence to if you show a
Speaker 1: Bible verse to one hundred people, you're gonna get fifty
Speaker 1: or sixty different answers of what this verse means. Right,
Speaker 1: but you know one thing we can can't agree on,
Speaker 1: as you know, all things all the glory.
Speaker 2: To Jesus Christ and he is the only way to salvation.
Speaker 3: Correct. Yeah, absolutely, But yeah, it's kind of led me
Speaker 3: on a journey to look at a lot of the
Speaker 3: stuff that you know that they do.
Speaker 1: You know what, I like, you did You went on
Speaker 1: your own journey and you didn't listen to other people.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I think even when we do listen to
Speaker 3: people though. I mean, for example, there's a I don't
Speaker 3: know if he's been on your show. He's he's fairly
Speaker 3: I guess big in the podcast world. I kind of
Speaker 3: liked the guy. But I was listening to him it's
Speaker 3: probably been maybe five or six months ago, and he
Speaker 3: was talking about the Sabbath day and he basically said,
Speaker 3: you know that it was turned into Sunday because the
Speaker 3: Sun God worshiped in three twenty five in the Council
Speaker 3: of Niceea. And so I looked into that, and you know,
Speaker 3: just out of my own curiosity, and so he's saying
Speaker 3: three twenty five counseled and iicea and I mean there's
Speaker 3: evidence in the data Chase seventy a d. Chapter fourteen
Speaker 3: talks about the Lord's Day, the eighth day, which was
Speaker 3: Sundays when it was changed. You know, the Epistle of
Speaker 3: Barnabas seventy eighty four, I mean seventy four a D.
Speaker 3: The eighth day, the Sabbath of Israel with the was
Speaker 3: the Lord's Day. The Epistle of or two Magnations, written
Speaker 3: by Ignations of Antioch was one hundred and ten, no
Speaker 3: longer observing the Sabbath day, but living in observance with
Speaker 3: the Lord's Day. So it's just interesting. I think even
Speaker 3: in our own, you know, truser world, it's still good
Speaker 3: to kind of verify things. I think a lot of
Speaker 3: times we just listen to stuff and you know, we
Speaker 3: believe it, and I think, you know, I think the
Speaker 3: Lord lights when we look for stuff. Yeah. There's a
Speaker 3: scripture in Proverbs twenty four too, and it says it
Speaker 3: is the glory of God to conceal a matter. It's
Speaker 3: the honor of kings to search it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, go ahead.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, no, go ahead.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, you're I think it's so
Speaker 1: important because there's so many of these things that even me.
Speaker 1: And I'm fifty six now, and I spent a lot
Speaker 1: of time even when I'm out working. Uh you know,
Speaker 1: I've got the one Earbut in you know, I think
Speaker 1: about all these things. Right, should we just a shue
Speaker 1: Saturday as the Sabbath? What about you know, should we
Speaker 1: really be celebrating Easter, which we know, you know was
Speaker 1: founded after Ishtar and all of that, and the Pagans
Speaker 1: Christmas and all this other stuff. It's and I listened to.
Speaker 1: I intentionally listen to different viewpoints. So for instance, I'll
Speaker 1: put this in the show notes if everybody wants to
Speaker 1: check it out. There's a church in northern Alabama, the
Speaker 1: Assembly of Yahweh, And this guy is very, very tour based.
Speaker 2: They worship on Saturday. Don't even eat pork, the whole
Speaker 2: nine yards.
Speaker 1: And I listen, and I you know, it's so interesting
Speaker 1: how you can listen to one person who presents evidence
Speaker 1: so clearly, and then you go listen to someone I'll
Speaker 1: sit down with the local pastor he'll present it and
Speaker 1: you're like, my goodness, and then you'll research for yourself.
Speaker 2: It seems like, well, you.
Speaker 1: Know what exactly, And that's that direction really has to
Speaker 1: come from you and your research, and you know, for
Speaker 1: a lack of a better word, is what feels right
Speaker 1: to you?
Speaker 2: Am I off base or is that kind of how
Speaker 2: you feel?
Speaker 3: No? No, I think I think you're You're exactly right.
Speaker 3: What's that? I don't know where this one's at, But
Speaker 3: there's a scripture that basically says, you know, I'll teach
Speaker 3: you with my Holy Spirit. You don't need a man
Speaker 3: teach you. That's right. And so one of the things
Speaker 3: I always go back to, I kind of like, like
Speaker 3: I said, I'm not falling on board. I follow Jesus
Speaker 3: Christ and that's number one. But one of the things
Speaker 3: I kind of like is that is the old Church.
Speaker 3: And you'll get into a lot of different things with
Speaker 3: with Catholics and Orthodox people, you know, the the Church
Speaker 3: early Church fathers. And one of the things I have
Speaker 3: to hang up with kind of is, you know, Paul
Speaker 3: wrote what seventy percent of the New Testament. The whole
Speaker 3: time he's basically chastising the churches that they're not doing
Speaker 3: it right. And that's only what twenty to forty years
Speaker 3: after Christ's death. So I mean, what do you think
Speaker 3: happened in two thousand?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's a common thing I see on social media.
Speaker 1: If Paul were alive today, your church would be getting
Speaker 1: a letter.
Speaker 3: Right, right, So you know lots of times, you know,
Speaker 3: I'll get into discussions about her, you know, well the
Speaker 3: early might you know what if he wasn't right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's his the gentleman Paul not Paul Skiba?
Speaker 2: What's his name? He passed?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: Rob Sciba? Thank you so much? Sorry Rob, God bless
Speaker 2: your ups Kiepa.
Speaker 1: He used to say, read what Paul read before you
Speaker 1: read what Paul wrote. Read what Paul read before you
Speaker 1: read what Paul wrote.
Speaker 2: I always thought.
Speaker 1: That that was very interesting, right, because Paul did the
Speaker 1: same thing. He read a lot of the same things
Speaker 1: we read today of the Tour, et cetera. And then
Speaker 1: he incorporated the teachings of Jesus Christ. And you know,
Speaker 1: there was a movement, there was a moment there in
Speaker 1: the truth or movement where people try to chastise Paul
Speaker 1: as a bad guy in a fraud. And I will
Speaker 1: tell you that Paul is the example. If I can
Speaker 1: be saved, then anyone could be saved.
Speaker 3: Right, absolutely, yep, absolutely, George, that's interesting. But that's that's
Speaker 3: where I'm at right now for some reason, Like I said,
Speaker 3: the Lord wants me at that church. And the only
Speaker 3: thing I can kind of think of is that's where
Speaker 3: the sleek people are.
Speaker 1: Amen, well said, I couldn't couldn't say it any better myself.
Speaker 1: Was there any other subjects or topics that you wanted
Speaker 1: to touch on?
Speaker 3: Let me see it. Yeah, can we talk about real quick,
Speaker 3: just kind of a side note, kind of interesting about drones?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely.
Speaker 3: You remember those drones in New Jersey?
Speaker 1: Yep, absolutely, about an hour and a half north of me.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, you're clothes huh. So anyway, they kept telling us,
Speaker 3: you know, they didn't know what it was and all
Speaker 3: this stuff, and I, you know, I, like I said,
Speaker 3: I fly drones all the time with work. And that's
Speaker 3: that's that's total bs. My foreman, my foreman. Apparently I
Speaker 3: didn't know that you can't fly drones around the bridges
Speaker 3: in Louisiana. And he was out on a boat and
Speaker 3: he stuck his drone up in the air real fast,
Speaker 3: and he said, within ten minutes there was a black
Speaker 3: helicopter there and and and they came over his controller
Speaker 3: on his drone and said, get it out of the
Speaker 3: sky now and then they erased his video.
Speaker 1: Really from from the helicopter from or from whatever, who knows.
Speaker 3: And then I got another another buddy who actually works
Speaker 3: at the distribution place. We go through and we just
Speaker 3: had the you know, the Super Bowl down here, and
Speaker 3: uh they were they went down to the tailgate parties
Speaker 3: and it was all drone restricted, and him and his
Speaker 3: other friend flew a drone in the air. He said,
Speaker 3: within five minutes, the FBI was there, the Secret Service
Speaker 3: and some other some other group. He didn't know who
Speaker 3: they were. So anyway, I just thought it was interesting
Speaker 3: because that happened all around the drone stuff, and it
Speaker 3: made me think, like they, you know, they know exactly.
Speaker 1: What those things are absolutely and listen, drones are the
Speaker 1: future of warfare. What we've seen in the past with
Speaker 1: with ira Afghanistan, Vietnam, Desert storm, that's ancient history. If
Speaker 1: you watch what's going on in Ukraine and Russia, it's
Speaker 1: scary to think.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's no place to hide.
Speaker 3: It's like a video game. It is trying a couch,
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, it's I almost wonder how that
Speaker 3: goes into programming with these different video games that you know,
Speaker 3: the what's that? What's that one all the kids play? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Or it's just like now you're behind a screen. You know,
Speaker 3: you've been doing it for years, playing the video game, and.
Speaker 2: It dilutes you. It's just that it normal like they've
Speaker 2: normalized everything else. During COVID.
Speaker 1: They normalized young men and women having heart attacks. They've
Speaker 1: normalized all the things that shouldn't, like abortion, we just
Speaker 1: accept it now and now a whole generation. They've normalized
Speaker 1: between grand theft, auto and and call of duty.
Speaker 2: They've normalized murder, right, Oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean if you know, we know that Satan
Speaker 3: uses all this stuff Hollywood, wh wouldn't he video games too?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: If World War three does start, and if you think
Speaker 1: they're offering ten thousand dollars bonuses for these eighteen year
Speaker 1: old kids to fly.
Speaker 2: Drones, they're going to sign right up.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, legitimately, sit on the couchy popcorn and throw
Speaker 3: bombs at each other.
Speaker 2: Yeap, yep.
Speaker 1: They'll go on social media and say they killed twenty
Speaker 1: three people today.
Speaker 3: Yup.
Speaker 2: It's it's crazy, but that's that's where we're headed.
Speaker 3: Crazy times, Jordan, indeed, crazy times.
Speaker 2: What a time to be alive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty nuts, you know. I mean even from
Speaker 3: when I was you know, I grew up in the
Speaker 3: eighties and nineties and just from mentil now. I mean
Speaker 3: I worry about kids, Yeah, the kids these days. I mean,
Speaker 3: it took me, you know, I'm still figuring out, but
Speaker 3: forty three years to kind of at least get on
Speaker 3: the right path. And there's just so much deception today.
Speaker 3: If there's so much stuff there is, and I try to.
Speaker 3: I mean, my kids know about all this stuff. I
Speaker 3: mean I talked about demons. They know about everything.
Speaker 2: That's the right way to do it.
Speaker 3: Just so at least then you know, they have the
Speaker 3: option they can say, oh yeah, my old man used
Speaker 3: to talk about this, that's right. Yep.
Speaker 1: Amen, Well listen, brother, it has been an absolute pleasure
Speaker 1: to have this conversation with you, and most everything, I'm
Speaker 1: so thankful that your journey came out on the positive side.
Speaker 1: You're a stand up guy, and it was an absolute
Speaker 1: pleasure to share the airways with you today and keep
Speaker 1: you in our prayers, and I hope you keep us
Speaker 1: in your prayers as well, that we continue on. We all,
Speaker 1: each and every single one of us, they're not all
Speaker 1: the same, but we all have our struggles that we
Speaker 1: deal with and none of us can do it alone.
Speaker 2: But man, there's power and prayer.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, George, Absolutely, yeah, I appreciate coming on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was great having you.
Speaker 1: And by the way, Blaine's email address is in the
Speaker 1: show notes, so if you'd like to reach out and
Speaker 1: say hello, please do so. And with that, Blaine, I'll
Speaker 1: leave you the floor to close.
Speaker 3: Well, I would just say, search out the author of
Speaker 3: all truth, Jesus, Give your heart to him. Give your
Speaker 3: heart to him. You know, I think years ago I
Speaker 3: would have never thought I'd be saying that stuff, you know.
Speaker 3: I thought it was all kind of a weak man's
Speaker 3: thing to be a you know, Peter priesthood and and
Speaker 3: and church and stuff. And it's basically it's it's everything
Speaker 3: you want, your whole heart, not a piece of it.
Speaker 1: Ay man, And shame on me. I've been meaning you
Speaker 1: to ask this too for the last hour, and I
Speaker 1: have this window up I need to ask before we close.
Speaker 1: Do you think Joseph Smith, if he wasn't killed almost
Speaker 1: martyred at such a young age, do you think his
Speaker 1: legacy would have gone the same way? What do you
Speaker 1: think it took him getting shot for his legend to grow,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know, George. I mean I think definitely getting
Speaker 3: shot probably you know, probably made him grow.
Speaker 1: That there's something to people who get shot their legends grow.
Speaker 1: I mean names.
Speaker 3: He had prophesied that his son would be the next prophet,
Speaker 3: and his son actually left the church and started started
Speaker 3: a different you know, even the Mormon Church has I
Speaker 3: think it's like four hundred branch offs of you know,
Speaker 3: because there was some that wanted to keep keep with
Speaker 3: polygamy and stuff like that. I mean, I think he
Speaker 3: was really he was really killed though, because he basically,
Speaker 3: you know, infiltrated Freemasonry and then started mixing Freemasonry with
Speaker 3: Mormon stuff. Mean, when in the Mormon Temple it's it's
Speaker 3: basically a free Masonic ritual.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah, I know, we got to get off here.
Speaker 3: But yeah, actually, just this morning, uh, at work, the
Speaker 3: neighbor came up and gave me the free Mason handshake.
Speaker 3: It seems like I did.
Speaker 2: It quite a bit really, the three finger.
Speaker 3: The I think they call it, well, the Mormon Church
Speaker 3: calls the sure Sign of the Nail. I believe it's
Speaker 3: called the Sign of the lion's call or something. Right, Well,
Speaker 3: they stick the finger kind of in your wrist, your
Speaker 3: fore finger. Yeah, anyway, it's just that's it kind of
Speaker 3: funny because it's, like I said, I've got it quite
Speaker 3: a few times and I recognize it because they do
Speaker 3: the same thing. The Mormons did the same stuff.
Speaker 1: Interesting, that's one club I don't want to be part of. Yeah, right, absolutely, man,
Speaker 1: it was a pleasure to meet you. It was a
Speaker 1: great conversation. Thanks thanks for sharing everything, and have a
Speaker 1: great weekend.
Speaker 2: Brother you George gods Uh.
Speaker 1: And to all the listeners, hey, thanks for your continued support,
Speaker 1: and again, if you'd like to join us like Blaine
Speaker 1: did today, shoot us an email fe files at gmail
Speaker 1: dot com. For Blaine, I'm George god bless you all.
Speaker 1: Have great week and until we meet again, my friends,
Speaker 1: we will see you.