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<v Speaker 1>For decades, people have disappeared in the woods without a trace.

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<v Speaker 1>Some blame wild animals, others whisper of creatures the world

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<v Speaker 1>refuses to believe in. But those who have survived they

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<v Speaker 1>know the truth. Welcome to Backwoods Bigfoot Stories, where we

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<v Speaker 1>share real encounters with the things lurking in the darkness bigfoot,

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<v Speaker 1>dog man, UFOs, and creatures that defy explanation. Some make

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<v Speaker 1>it out, others aren't so lucky. Are you ready, because

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<v Speaker 1>once you hear these stories, you'll never walk in the

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<v Speaker 1>woods alone again. So grab your flashlight, stay close, and

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<v Speaker 1>remember some things in the woods don't want to be found.

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<v Speaker 1>Hit that follow or subscribe button, turn on auto downloads,

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<v Speaker 1>and let's head off into the woods if you dare.

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<v Speaker 1>Every state on this road trip has given us something.

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<v Speaker 1>Some gave us one good monster and a lot of moonlight.

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<v Speaker 1>Some gave us a single strange night on a single

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<v Speaker 1>strange road. Louisiana is different. Louisiana gives you two. Down here,

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<v Speaker 1>the map itself starts lying to you. Roads that look

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<v Speaker 1>solid on paper turned to shell and gravel and then

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<v Speaker 1>to mud, and then they just stop. And past that

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<v Speaker 1>point there's nothing but water and cypress and seventy shades

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<v Speaker 1>of green that all want to eat your boots. A

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<v Speaker 1>third of this state is wetland. The Atchafalaya Basin alone

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<v Speaker 1>is almost a million acres of river swamp, the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>in North America. And when the sun goes down out there,

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<v Speaker 1>the darkness isn't a color, it's a substance. It has weight.

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<v Speaker 1>You can feel it settle on the back of your

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<v Speaker 1>neck like a wet hand. And in that darkness. Louisiana

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<v Speaker 1>keeps two monsters. The first one is old, older than

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<v Speaker 1>the state, older than the country. It came over on

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<v Speaker 1>ships with exiled French farmers. It survived a forced march

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<v Speaker 1>down the length of a continent, and it settled into

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<v Speaker 1>the Bayous of Acadiana, where it's been scratching at shutters

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<v Speaker 1>and counting beans on doorsteps for two hundred and fifty years.

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<v Speaker 1>The Cajuns call it the rugaroo. Their grandparents called it

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<v Speaker 1>the loop garou. It's a werewolf, but it isn't the

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<v Speaker 1>Hollywood kind. This one comes with Catholic guilt stitched into

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<v Speaker 1>its hide. This one is a curse you can catch.

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<v Speaker 1>The second monster is younger, at least on paper. It

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<v Speaker 1>walked out of the Honey Island Swamp in nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 1>three and stood up in front of two hunters who

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<v Speaker 1>had every reason to know what a bear looks like.

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<v Speaker 1>And it wasn't a bear. Seven feet tall, gray hair

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<v Speaker 1>hanging off it like Spanish moss, amber eyes, a smell

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<v Speaker 1>that one witness compared to death itself. They call it

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<v Speaker 1>the Honey Island Swamp monster, and some folks call it

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<v Speaker 1>the Cajun Sasquatch, and I have my own opinions about

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<v Speaker 1>which of those names fits better. So Louisiana gets a

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<v Speaker 1>double feature, the Curse in the Blood and the thing

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<v Speaker 1>in the swamp. We're going to give both of them

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<v Speaker 1>their full time on the stand. But before we get

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<v Speaker 1>to any of that, I want to tell you why

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<v Speaker 1>this state sits heavy with me. One of the most

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<v Speaker 1>disturbing encounter stories I ever documented came out of Louisiana

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<v Speaker 1>way back in the early days of Sasquatch Odyssey. A

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<v Speaker 1>witness named Tyler sat down with me and told me

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<v Speaker 1>about a night that took something from him. He was

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<v Speaker 1>out in the woods with his dogs, the way he

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<v Speaker 1>had been one hundred times before, when the dogs jumped

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<v Speaker 1>on something in the tree line, and the woods went loud,

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<v Speaker 1>snarling impact, then a sound he couldn't place, a heavy,

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<v Speaker 1>wet sound, and then silence, which was worse, And then

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<v Speaker 1>his dog came back to him. It came back through

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<v Speaker 1>the air. Something inside that tree line killed one of

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<v Speaker 1>his dogs and threw the body out of the woods

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<v Speaker 1>at him through it like a message, like a warning

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<v Speaker 1>shot that used his own animal as the ammunition. Tyler

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<v Speaker 1>never saw the whole creature. He didn't have to. Whatever

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<v Speaker 1>stood inside that dark had the strength to kill a

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<v Speaker 1>grown dog in seconds, and the intent to deliver it

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<v Speaker 1>back to its owner. And Tyler told me his other

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<v Speaker 1>dogs wouldn't stop shaking for two days, and neither if

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<v Speaker 1>he was honest, did he. I've carried that story for years.

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<v Speaker 1>I think about it every time somebody tells me these

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<v Speaker 1>animals are gentle forest people who braid horse manes and

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<v Speaker 1>leave gifts. Louisiana is where that story lives. So when

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<v Speaker 1>the road trip Odometer rolled over into the Pelican State,

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<v Speaker 1>I knew we weren't going to do a drive by episode.

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<v Speaker 1>We were going to park the truck, get in the boat,

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<v Speaker 1>and go all the way in. Welcome to Louisiana. To

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<v Speaker 1>understand the rugaroo, you have to start about four hundred

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<v Speaker 1>years ago and four thousand miles away. In rural France.

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<v Speaker 1>Medieval and Renaissance France was werewolf country, not in the

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<v Speaker 1>fun way, in the legal way, the French had a

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<v Speaker 1>word for a man who turned into a wolf, loop garu,

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<v Speaker 1>from loop meaning wolf and garu, which traces back through

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<v Speaker 1>Old Frankish to the same root that gives us the

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<v Speaker 1>English word wear wolf. So the name literally says wolf twice.

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<v Speaker 1>And they weren't treating it as a campfire story either.

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<v Speaker 1>In the fifteen hundreds, French courts put people on trial

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<v Speaker 1>for lycanthropy, real trials, real verdicts, real executions. If livestock

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<v Speaker 1>got torn apart, if a child went missing from a village,

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<v Speaker 1>if a house got ransacked in the night, the loo

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<v Speaker 1>garoo was a genuine suspect, and sometimes a genuine neighbor

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<v Speaker 1>burned for it. Fear of the wolf man was woven

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<v Speaker 1>into the fabric of rural French life, right alongside fear

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<v Speaker 1>of witches, and the two legends fed each other in

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<v Speaker 1>plenty of versions. It was a witch who made a

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<v Speaker 1>loop garu in the first place. Either by taking wolf

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<v Speaker 1>form herself or by throwing the curse onto some poor

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<v Speaker 1>soul who crossed her. In the sixteen hundreds, French colonists

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<v Speaker 1>carried the Loop Guru across the Atlantic to Acadia, the

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<v Speaker 1>region we now call Nova Scotia and the Canadian Maritimes.

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<v Speaker 1>The legend rode, along with the language, the faith, and

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<v Speaker 1>the fiddle tunes. And then in seventeen fifty five, the

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<v Speaker 1>British did something that changed the map of North American

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<v Speaker 1>folklore forever. They expelled the Acadians, burned their farms, loaded

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<v Speaker 1>families onto ships, scattered them down the Atlantic coast in

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<v Speaker 1>what the Cajuns still call Legrand de Rangements, the Great Upheaval.

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<v Speaker 1>Thousands of those exiles eventually found their way to the

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<v Speaker 1>one place in North America that still felt French, South Louisiana.

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<v Speaker 1>They settled the Prairies and Bayous west and south of

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<v Speaker 1>over generations, the word Acadian softened in the local mouth

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<v Speaker 1>into Cajun. The wolf came with them, but something happened

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<v Speaker 1>to the word on the way down. Cajun French is

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<v Speaker 1>a living, breathing dialect famous for sanding the corners off

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<v Speaker 1>words until they roll easy. Loop garoo got worked over

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<v Speaker 1>the same way. The el softened, the sound slid together,

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<v Speaker 1>and somewhere in the Bayous the loop garoo became the rugaroo,

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<v Speaker 1>same monster, new name. You will still hear both down there,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes from the same person in the same sentence, and

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<v Speaker 1>folklorests have collected a half dozen spellings rugaroo, rugaroo, rugaroo,

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<v Speaker 1>Pick your poison. The thing in the story doesn't care

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<v Speaker 1>how you spell it, and the swamp changed the monster too.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the part I find genuinely fascinating, because it's folklore

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<v Speaker 1>doing exactly what folklore does. In France, the loo garoo

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<v Speaker 1>stalked farmland and village lanes. In Louisiana, the rugaroo moved

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<v Speaker 1>into the cypress swamps and the cane fields because that's

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<v Speaker 1>where the dark was. The legend adapted to its habitat,

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<v Speaker 1>like any invasive species. The earliest written traces show up

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen century Louisiana folklore collections, most famously the work

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<v Speaker 1>of Alsay Fortier, a Louisiana scholar who documented Creole and

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<v Speaker 1>Cajun oral tales in the eighteen nineties and caught the

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<v Speaker 1>Lugaroo alive on the page. By then, it had already

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<v Speaker 1>been prowling the Bayous for over a century, passed parent

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<v Speaker 1>to child, porch to porch in French. Here's where the

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<v Speaker 1>rugaroo stops being a standard werewolf and becomes something much

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<v Speaker 1>more interesting to me as a student of how legends work.

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<v Speaker 1>The rugaroo is a Catholic monster. South Louisiana is one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most deeply Catholic regions in America, and the

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<v Speaker 1>Rugaroo legend is soaked in that faith the way a

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<v Speaker 1>good boudon is soaked in seasoning. The single most famous

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<v Speaker 1>rule of the legend, the one every Cajun kid grew

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<v Speaker 1>up hearing, is this, break the rules of lent, and

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<v Speaker 1>the Rugaroo will come for you. In the older French versions,

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<v Speaker 1>the math was specific failed to observe lent seven years

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<v Speaker 1>in a row, and you don't just get visit by

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<v Speaker 1>the loogaroo, you become one. That's a genuinely brilliant piece

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<v Speaker 1>of moral engineering. Most monsters punish you by eating you.

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<v Speaker 1>The rugaroo punishes you by turning you into the thing

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<v Speaker 1>that eats. Your sin doesn't summon the wolf. Your sin

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<v Speaker 1>is the wolf. The transformation is the sentence, and your

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<v Speaker 1>own hide is the prison. Every fear in that legend

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<v Speaker 1>is doing a job. Keep the fast, go to mass,

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<v Speaker 1>stay out of the swamp at night, behave children, or

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<v Speaker 1>the rugaroo will get you. Generations of Cajun parents deployed

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<v Speaker 1>that monster the way parents everywhere deploy the Boogeyman. Except

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<v Speaker 1>this boogeyman came with the full backing of the parish priest.

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<v Speaker 1>Folklorists like Barry gene Ensilat at the University of Louisiana

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<v Speaker 1>at Lafayette have spent careers documenting how these stories functioned

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<v Speaker 1>as social control in Cajun communities. The rugaroo kept kids

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<v Speaker 1>out of the water at night, kept teenagers home, kept

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<v Speaker 1>the faithful fact a monster with a day job. Now

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<v Speaker 1>let us get into the mechanics, because the Rugaroo comes

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<v Speaker 1>with a rule book, and the rules are strange and

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<v Speaker 1>specific in the way that only genuine folk tradition. Ever,

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<v Speaker 1>is nobody writing a movie would invent rules this crooked.

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<v Speaker 1>They only get this way from two centuries of retelling.

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<v Speaker 1>Rule one, the curse runs one hundred and one days,

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<v Speaker 1>not one hundred, not a year and a day, one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and one days. In the most common version, a

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<v Speaker 1>person under the Rugaroo curse turns beast by night and

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<v Speaker 1>walks human by day, sickly and gray and hollow eyed

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<v Speaker 1>for one hundred and one days, and there's only one

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<v Speaker 1>way out. Early the rugaroo has to draw the blood

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<v Speaker 1>of another human being. Do that, and the curse jumps.

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<v Speaker 1>It transfers victim to victim, like a supernatural chain letter

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<v Speaker 1>written in blood. The old rugaroo wakes up human and free.

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<v Speaker 1>The new victim inherits the hide rule two. You can't

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<v Speaker 1>talk about it. The freshly cursed can't tell anyone what

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<v Speaker 1>happened to them. In some tellings, speaking of the curse

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<v Speaker 1>means death on the spot. In others it means the

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<v Speaker 1>community will kill you out of fear. Either way, the

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<v Speaker 1>legend seals itself. The cursed man suffers in silence, wastes

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<v Speaker 1>away in front of his family, and nobody ever gets proof,

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<v Speaker 1>which is convenient for a legend and heartbreaking if you

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<v Speaker 1>think about what that story was probably explaining a neighbor

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<v Speaker 1>gone pale and strange and silent, a husband who stopped

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<v Speaker 1>eating and wouldn't say why. Two hundred years ago, in

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<v Speaker 1>a by you community with no doctors, the rugarou was

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes the only diagnosis on offer. Rule three, the thing

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<v Speaker 1>can't count past twelve. This is my favorite rule in

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<v Speaker 1>all of Louisiana folklore, and I say that with love.

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<v Speaker 1>The traditional defense against a rugero is to lay thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>small objects by your door. Thirteen coins, thirteen beans, thirteen pebbles.

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<v Speaker 1>The rugaroo, for all its teeth and hell fire, is

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<v Speaker 1>a compulsive counter, and it can't count past twelve. So

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<v Speaker 1>it stands on your porch all night, counting to twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>losing its place, starting over, counting to twelve, starting over,

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<v Speaker 1>until the sun comes up and the curse drags it home.

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<v Speaker 1>Your entire home security system is one bean more than

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<v Speaker 1>the monster can handle. People still do this. I'm not exaggerating.

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<v Speaker 1>There are households in Terra Bonn and Lafourche parishes today

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<v Speaker 1>with thirteen pennies sitting by the door, and if you ask,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll get a shrug and a smile, and the pennies

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<v Speaker 1>will stay right where they are. Rule four, and this

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<v Speaker 1>one varies what the rugaroo actually looks like. The classic

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<v Speaker 1>description is a man's body with the head of a

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<v Speaker 1>wolf or a big dog, standing upright seven to eight

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<v Speaker 1>with eyes that glow usually red, sometimes amber. But the

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<v Speaker 1>deeper you dig into the old counts the stranger the

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<v Speaker 1>creature gets because the rugaroo of genuine by U folklore

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<v Speaker 1>was a shape shifter in the fullest sense. Forty eight

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<v Speaker 1>era tails and twentieth century collections have the rugarou appearing

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<v Speaker 1>as a huge dog, a hog, a calf, a rabbit,

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<v Speaker 1>even a bird. There's a documented account in a nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy one Louisiana Folklore Society publication where a driver hits

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<v Speaker 1>the car and finds no calf at all, just an

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<v Speaker 1>uninjured man walking away from the spot where the animal

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<v Speaker 1>went down. That story has stayed with me since I

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<v Speaker 1>first read it. No clause, no howling, just a calf

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<v Speaker 1>that wasn't a calf, and a man walking away in

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<v Speaker 1>the dark who shouldn't have been there. And one more

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<v Speaker 1>piece of the rule book, because it says everything about

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<v Speaker 1>how personal this legend is. In many Cajun tellings, the

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<v Speaker 1>rugarou isn't a stranger. It's someone you know, a jealous neighbor,

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<v Speaker 1>a wronged friend, a member of your own family, carrying

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<v Speaker 1>the curse in silence. When the beast is wounded and

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<v Speaker 1>the blood is drawn, it turns back into a human

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<v Speaker 1>being right in front of you, and you recognize the face.

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<v Speaker 1>The horror of the rugaroo was never really about the wolf.

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<v Speaker 1>It was about the person inside it. Before we get

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<v Speaker 1>to the encounters, I want to show you how deep

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<v Speaker 1>this thing is buried in the culture, because the rugaroo

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<v Speaker 1>isn't museum folklore. It's a living word in a living dialect.

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<v Speaker 1>Down in Tara Bonn and La Forche parishes, when somebody

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<v Speaker 1>spends a night tossing and turning, they say they made

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<v Speaker 1>the rugaroo. All night fair rugaroo. A person who runs

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<v Speaker 1>the roads all night, carousing and causing trouble is out

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<v Speaker 1>making the rugaroo. The monster became a verb. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred and fifty years of storytelling gets you. The

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<v Speaker 1>beast worked its way into the grammar. Huma, Louisiana throws

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<v Speaker 1>the Rugaroo Fest every October, a full festival with the

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<v Speaker 1>costume ball and the Audubon Zoo. In New Orleans had

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<v Speaker 1>It's kept a life size rugaroo glowering at visitors in

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<v Speaker 1>its Louisiana swamp exhibit for decades. Stay tuned for more

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<v Speaker 1>Backwoods Bigfoot stories. We'll be back after these messages. When

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<v Speaker 1>New Orleans professional basketball team was hunting for a new

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<v Speaker 1>name years back, Rugarus made the short list. The wolf

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<v Speaker 1>almost made the big leagues. But don't let the festival

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<v Speaker 1>floats fool You drive forty five minutes south of Huma,

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<v Speaker 1>past where the oaks quit and the marsh takes over,

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<v Speaker 1>and ask an older trapper about the rugaroo, and watch

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<v Speaker 1>what happens to his face. The smile stays, something behind

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<v Speaker 1>the smile doesn't, because people down there still see things.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to walk you through some rugaroo accounts. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of these are documented in folklore, collections and news coverage.

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<v Speaker 1>Some came to me the way most stories come to me,

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<v Speaker 1>secondhand and first name only, from people who would rather

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<v Speaker 1>eat glass than have their full name attached to a

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<v Speaker 1>werewolf story. I'll let you sort them for yourself. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the deal on this show. I bring you the accounts,

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<v Speaker 1>you bring the verdict. The first one comes from a

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<v Speaker 1>woman I'll call Celeste. Celeste grew up down the Bayou

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<v Speaker 1>in Terrebone Parish, in one of those communities where the

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<v Speaker 1>road and the water run side by side for twenty miles,

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<v Speaker 1>and every house faces the boat instead of the street.

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<v Speaker 1>This was the late nineteen nineties. She was nineteen, working

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<v Speaker 1>an evening shift at a diner up the highway, driving

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<v Speaker 1>home after closing a hand me down oldsmobile with one

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<v Speaker 1>working headlight. The drive home was eleven miles of two

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<v Speaker 1>lane black top, with the bayou on her left and

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<v Speaker 1>cane fields on her right. No street lights passed the

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<v Speaker 1>first mile. She had driven it a thousand times. That night,

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<v Speaker 1>about four miles from home, she caught something in the

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<v Speaker 1>edge of her one good headlight. Two points of light

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<v Speaker 1>low off the shoulder on the cane side. Eyeshine. She

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<v Speaker 1>knew what eyeshine looked like. Deer eyes float high and scatter.

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<v Speaker 1>Dog eyes sit low and track you. These sat about

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<v Speaker 1>four feet off the ground and they kept pace with

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<v Speaker 1>the car. She was doing forty. She watched the eyes

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<v Speaker 1>slide along the tree line at the edge of the

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<v Speaker 1>cane forty miles an hour, smooth, no bobbing, just two

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<v Speaker 1>amber points, gliding through the dark like they were on

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<v Speaker 1>a rail. She sped up to fifty. The eyes stayed

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<v Speaker 1>with her. She could hear the cane breaking over the

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<v Speaker 1>engine and the tires. She could hear it, a ripping,

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<v Speaker 1>thrashing sound of something big shouldering through a wall of

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<v Speaker 1>sugar cane at highway speed. Four miles is a long

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<v Speaker 1>time to be followed, she told me. The worst moment

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<v Speaker 1>was the bridge. There's a little bayou side bridge near

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<v Speaker 1>her family's place, and the cane field ends a quarter

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<v Speaker 1>mile before it. She watched the eyes coming up on

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the cane and she thought it has

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<v Speaker 1>to stop. There's nothing but open ground and then water.

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<v Speaker 1>The eyes reached the end of the field and crossed

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<v Speaker 1>the open ground. She got one look at it under

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<v Speaker 1>the security light at the boat launch by the bridge,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a second and a half tall, upright, moving in

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<v Speaker 1>long strides that ate the ground, with something wrong about

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<v Speaker 1>the head too long, too forward, like a dog's muzzle

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<v Speaker 1>grafted onto a man's shoulders. It crossed the launch light

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<v Speaker 1>in maybe four strides and dropped down the bank toward

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<v Speaker 1>the water, and was gone before her car reached the bridge.

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<v Speaker 1>Celeste drove the last mile at eighty and sat in

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<v Speaker 1>her daddy's driveway with the doors locked, leaning on the

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<v Speaker 1>horn until the porch light came on. Her grandmother didn't

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<v Speaker 1>laugh at her. That's the detail that stuck with me.

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<v Speaker 1>Her grandmother listened to the whole story at the kitchen table,

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<v Speaker 1>then got up, went to the junk drawer, counted out

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen pennies, and set them on the window sill by

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<v Speaker 1>the front door. Didn't say a word of explanation, didn't

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<v Speaker 1>need to. Celeste told me those pennies were still on

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<v Speaker 1>that window sill when her grandmother passed twenty years later,

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<v Speaker 1>and her mama keeps them there now. I shine. Pacing

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<v Speaker 1>a car along a tree line is a story I've

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<v Speaker 1>heard in Sasquatch reports from thirty states. So is the

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<v Speaker 1>sound of something heavy crashing through cover parallel to a road.

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<v Speaker 1>If you took Celeston's account, change the parish to a

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<v Speaker 1>county in Washington State, and swap the word rugaroo for sasquatch,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody would think twice. The second account is a dog story.

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<v Speaker 1>Dogs don't have folklore. Dogs don't know what a rugaroo is.

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<v Speaker 1>Dogs only know what their nose tells them, and a

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<v Speaker 1>dog's nose doesn't lie for attention. This one comes from

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<v Speaker 1>a man I'll call Remy, a trapper and hog hunter.

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<v Speaker 1>Out of assumption. Parish a fourth generation swamper who ran

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<v Speaker 1>a line of catahula curs that he bred himself. Cattahulas

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<v Speaker 1>are Louisiana's state dog for a reason. They are bred

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<v Speaker 1>to Bay wild hogs, which are three hundred pounds of

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<v Speaker 1>tusk and hate. A good catahula will run into a

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<v Speaker 1>palmetto thicket after a boar that could open it up

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<v Speaker 1>like a letter. These aren't nervous animals. Remy had a

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<v Speaker 1>stretch of swamp he hunted off a pipeline canal, a

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<v Speaker 1>place his family had trapped since his grandfather's day in

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<v Speaker 1>the winter of two thousand and eight. By his telling,

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<v Speaker 1>his dogs quit it, not gradually overnight. He put the

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<v Speaker 1>boat in one morning in January, ran the canal to

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<v Speaker 1>his usual cut, and the dogs wouldn't get out of

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<v Speaker 1>the boat. Three seasoned hog dogs, dogs that normally hit

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<v Speaker 1>the bank before the hull touched mud, sat in the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom of that boat and shook hackles up from neck

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<v Speaker 1>to tail. One of them, his best strike dog, an

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<v Speaker 1>eight year old female who had scars on her from

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<v Speaker 1>boars she had won against, put her head down in

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<v Speaker 1>the bilge water and wouldn't lift it. Remy did what

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<v Speaker 1>a stubborn man does. He grabbed the lead dog's collar

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<v Speaker 1>and set her on the bank himself. She got back

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<v Speaker 1>in the boat. He tried the same cut four times

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<v Speaker 1>over two weeks, same result every time, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>only that cut down the canal. The dog's hunted normal

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<v Speaker 1>a mile up normal that one stretch of woods. They

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<v Speaker 1>refused like it was on fire. The fifth trip, Remy

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<v Speaker 1>went in without them, walked his old trap line about

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<v Speaker 1>three hundred yards, and he said the swamp was silent

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<v Speaker 1>in a way he had never heard it. January, swamp

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<v Speaker 1>isn't quiet. There's ducks working, ibis Kingfisher's fussing squirrels. This

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<v Speaker 1>was nothing. And in the mud beside a slew where

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<v Speaker 1>his grandfather's trap line crossed the water, he found a track.

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<v Speaker 1>It had five toes longer than his rubber boot, which

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<v Speaker 1>was a size twelve, and pressed deeper into that mud

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<v Speaker 1>than his own boot right beside it, and Remy weighed

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<v Speaker 1>about two hundred and twenty pounds with his gear on.

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<v Speaker 1>He never told me it was a rugaroo. Remy was

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<v Speaker 1>raised on rugaroo stories the way all by you kids are.

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<v Speaker 1>And when he stood over that track, the old word

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<v Speaker 1>what he described was a barefoot five toed oversized human track,

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<v Speaker 1>sunk deep and swamp mud in a patch of woods

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<v Speaker 1>that three fearless hog dogs refused to enter for two

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<v Speaker 1>weeks straight. He pulled his traps out of that cut

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<v Speaker 1>and never set it again. When his son asked him

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<v Speaker 1>why they didn't hunt Grandpa's line anymore, Remy told him

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<v Speaker 1>the hogs had moved. The dogs knew better. The dogs

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<v Speaker 1>always know better. A nineteen seventy one Louisiana Folklore Society

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<v Speaker 1>publication preserves an account of a motorist driving a highway

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<v Speaker 1>down in the Bayou Country at night who struck a

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<v Speaker 1>calf hard impact. The driver stopped, got out, walked back

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<v Speaker 1>to deal with the animal. There was no calf. There

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<v Speaker 1>was no blood, no hair on the grill, no animal

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<v Speaker 1>dying in the ditch. There was a man uninjured upright

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<v Speaker 1>walking away from the exact spot where the calf went

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<v Speaker 1>down into the dark. And that's where the account ends,

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<v Speaker 1>because the driver didn't follow him. And honestly, I can't

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<v Speaker 1>say that I blame him, And the rugaroo hasn't retired.

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty sixteen, a video shot in a residential neighborhood

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<v Speaker 1>in Huma made the rounds online, showing what appeared to

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<v Speaker 1>be a large, dark figure moving between houses at night.

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<v Speaker 1>Locals dusted off the old word immediately. Was it a

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<v Speaker 1>hoaxer in a suit three days before Halloween? Probably? Was

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<v Speaker 1>it a person of unusual size doing something innocent filmed badly?

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<v Speaker 1>Also possible. I've watched the footage and I won't pretend

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<v Speaker 1>it proves a single thing, but I want you to

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<v Speaker 1>notice what happened around it, because that's the real data.

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<v Speaker 1>A blurry figure walks through a human neighborhood and the

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<v Speaker 1>first word out of the community wasn't prowler, it was rugaroo.

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<v Speaker 1>Two hundred and fifty years after the Acadians landed, the

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<v Speaker 1>wolf is still the default explanation for a big shape

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<v Speaker 1>in the Louisiana Dark legends don't hang on that long

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<v Speaker 1>unless something keeps feeding them. I gotta be honest with you.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't believe in werewolves. I don't believe a human

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<v Speaker 1>being can be cursed into an animal by skipping lent,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't believe a calf can stand up and

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<v Speaker 1>walk away as a man. I'm an evidence guy forty

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<v Speaker 1>years I've been chasing one animal, and the reason I've

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<v Speaker 1>stayed on it this long is that the sasquatch evidence,

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<v Speaker 1>the tracks, the dermal ridges, the consistent anatomy across a

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<v Speaker 1>century of independent reports, behaves like biology. Werewolf Lord doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>behave like biology. It behaves like theology, which is exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what it is. And I mean no disrespect to either

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<v Speaker 1>field by keeping them separated. But here's my confession. Strip

413
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<v Speaker 1>the rugaroo legend down to what people actually report seeing.

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<v Speaker 1>Not the curse, not the lent, not the thirteen beans,

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<v Speaker 1>just the raw siding. And what have you got? A tall,

416
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<v Speaker 1>dark hair covered figure upright on two legs, glowing eyeshine,

417
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<v Speaker 1>seen at night near water, at the edge of wild country, fast, strong,

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<v Speaker 1>gone before you can be sure. Now go back and

419
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<v Speaker 1>read the description Harlan Ford gave in nineteen sixty three,

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<v Speaker 1>or the description a logger named Earl Wittstein gave the

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<v Speaker 1>Rapides Parish Sheriff's office in the year two thousand, or

422
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<v Speaker 1>any of the fifty seven reports the big Foot Field

423
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<v Speaker 1>Researchers Organization has logged out of Louisiana, and tell me

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<v Speaker 1>those are different animals. I think French Louisiana has been

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<v Speaker 1>seeing something in its swamps for two and a half centuries.

426
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<v Speaker 1>And I think that when a Catholic culture with a

427
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<v Speaker 1>werewolf tradition sees a huge, upright hairy figure in the dark,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't reach for the word primate. It reaches for

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<v Speaker 1>the word it brought from France. The rugaroo didn't need

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<v Speaker 1>to exist to be real. It only needed a hide

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<v Speaker 1>to wear. Let me show you the hide. The Honey

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<v Speaker 1>Island Swamp sits in the far southeastern toe of Louisiana

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<v Speaker 1>in Saint Tammany Parish, pinched between the East Pearl and

434
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<v Speaker 1>West Pearl rivers hard against the Mississippi state line, something

435
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<v Speaker 1>like seventy thousand acres, and roughly half of it is

436
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<v Speaker 1>permanently protected wildlife refuge that has never been logged, never

437
00:26:10.759 --> 00:26:14.759
<v Speaker 1>been drained, never been farmed. Naturalists call it one of

438
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<v Speaker 1>the most pristine river swamps left in the United States.

439
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<v Speaker 1>There are no roads through the interior, there are barely trails.

440
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<v Speaker 1>Access is by boat and then by waiting. The name

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<v Speaker 1>comes from the honeybees that once swarmed an island in

442
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<v Speaker 1>the swamp, and it's the sweetest thing about the place.

443
00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:38.359
<v Speaker 1>Everything else out there bites, stings or weights, alligators, cotton mouths,

444
00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:43.759
<v Speaker 1>wild hogs, black bears, feral dogs. The water is the

445
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<v Speaker 1>color of steep tea, and you can't see four inches

446
00:26:46.319 --> 00:26:50.039
<v Speaker 1>into it, And the ground is a negotiation solid here

447
00:26:50.440 --> 00:26:53.480
<v Speaker 1>gone there, and the cypress and tuppelow close over your

448
00:26:53.480 --> 00:26:57.039
<v Speaker 1>head until noon looks like dusk. If you sat down

449
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<v Speaker 1>to design a laboratory for producing monster reports, you couldn't

450
00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:03.640
<v Speaker 1>improve on Honey Island, And if you sat down to

451
00:27:03.720 --> 00:27:06.920
<v Speaker 1>design a refuge where a large, smart, wary animal could

452
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<v Speaker 1>live unphotographed, you couldn't improve on it either. The old

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<v Speaker 1>stories were here before the modern ones. The Choctaw and

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<v Speaker 1>other tribes of the region told of the Latche, a

455
00:27:17.799 --> 00:27:20.680
<v Speaker 1>flesh eating humanoid thing of the water and the bank,

456
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<v Speaker 1>and one strand of the legend says it began as

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<v Speaker 1>a lost or abandoned child raised by alligators in the

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<v Speaker 1>deep swamp, which might be the loneliest origin story any

459
00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:36.119
<v Speaker 1>monster ever got. The Chettamacha and Attakappas peoples spoke of wolfwalkers,

460
00:27:36.680 --> 00:27:40.599
<v Speaker 1>man eating things caught halfway between human and beast, and

461
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<v Speaker 1>layered on top of the native accounts, came the French

462
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<v Speaker 1>with their loop garu, so that by the twentieth century

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<v Speaker 1>the Honey Island Country had monster traditions stacked three deep

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00:27:50.720 --> 00:27:55.039
<v Speaker 1>like sediment. Then in August of nineteen sixty three, the

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00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:59.200
<v Speaker 1>sediment moved. Harlan Ford wasn't a man built for tall tales.

466
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<v Speaker 1>Was an air traffic controller with the Federal Aviation Administration,

467
00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:08.720
<v Speaker 1>a job that selects for calm, precise, unimaginative people, because

468
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<v Speaker 1>imaginative air traffic controllers kill pilots. He was also a

469
00:28:13.160 --> 00:28:17.400
<v Speaker 1>lifelong outdoorsman, a hunter, and a private pilot, and he

470
00:28:17.559 --> 00:28:21.039
<v Speaker 1>used that plane the way serious hunters dream about, flying

471
00:28:21.079 --> 00:28:24.319
<v Speaker 1>over the Honey Island Country to scout ground nobody else

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00:28:24.359 --> 00:28:27.640
<v Speaker 1>could reach. He found a spot so remote that getting

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<v Speaker 1>there meant a boat ride followed by a long walk,

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<v Speaker 1>and to harlan Ford, that was the entire appeal. He

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<v Speaker 1>and his friend Billy Mills set up a camp out there.

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<v Speaker 1>They were hauling gear in when they saw it. Across

477
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<v Speaker 1>a clearing on all fours, something large was crouched over

478
00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:46.599
<v Speaker 1>the body of an animal. Both men thought it was

479
00:28:46.680 --> 00:28:49.839
<v Speaker 1>just a wild animal feeding, and both men drew their weapons,

480
00:28:50.240 --> 00:28:53.799
<v Speaker 1>expecting bear, And then it did the one thing a

481
00:28:53.839 --> 00:28:56.559
<v Speaker 1>bear almost never does and a hoax can't fake at

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<v Speaker 1>distance in daylight. It stood up on two legs. It

483
00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:03.440
<v Speaker 1>came up to something over seven feet by their estimate,

484
00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:06.799
<v Speaker 1>close to four hundred pounds. It was covered in dingy

485
00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:10.559
<v Speaker 1>gray hair, longer on the head hanging down. It looked

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<v Speaker 1>at them. Ford would say later that the eyes were

487
00:29:13.759 --> 00:29:16.920
<v Speaker 1>in amber yellow and that the smell reaching them across

488
00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:19.960
<v Speaker 1>that clearing was foul enough to note over the ordinary

489
00:29:20.039 --> 00:29:22.960
<v Speaker 1>rot of a swamp. It held their eyes for a moment,

490
00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:27.440
<v Speaker 1>then it ran, and two armed experienced hunters stood in

491
00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:30.599
<v Speaker 1>a clearing in the middle of seventy thousand acres and

492
00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:34.039
<v Speaker 1>didn't say much of anything for a while. Ford described

493
00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:37.200
<v Speaker 1>it afterward in plain words. He said it was ugly

494
00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:39.920
<v Speaker 1>and sinister and like something out of a horror movie.

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<v Speaker 1>And I want to point at that quote, because it

496
00:29:42.519 --> 00:29:46.039
<v Speaker 1>isn't the language of a man building a legend. Legend

497
00:29:46.119 --> 00:29:49.599
<v Speaker 1>builders give you fangs and claws and near death escapes.

498
00:29:50.279 --> 00:29:55.319
<v Speaker 1>Ford gave you ugly Witnesses who are lying, decorate, witnesses

499
00:29:55.400 --> 00:30:00.160
<v Speaker 1>who are shaken, summarize. Stay tuned for more Backwoods Bigfoot stories.

500
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<v Speaker 1>We'll be back after these messages. Here's the other thing

501
00:30:05.079 --> 00:30:08.880
<v Speaker 1>that matters about nineteen sixty three, Ford and Mills came

502
00:30:08.920 --> 00:30:12.240
<v Speaker 1>home and told people, and the story got around Slydell.

503
00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:15.559
<v Speaker 1>But Ford didn't sell anything. He didn't book a tour,

504
00:30:16.039 --> 00:30:19.079
<v Speaker 1>he didn't write a book. What he did instead is

505
00:30:19.119 --> 00:30:22.559
<v Speaker 1>what an air traffic controller would do. He started carrying

506
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:25.400
<v Speaker 1>a camera into the swamp, and he kept going back

507
00:30:25.559 --> 00:30:28.960
<v Speaker 1>quietly for more than a decade, trying to turn one

508
00:30:29.039 --> 00:30:33.079
<v Speaker 1>siding into data. Eleven years later, in nineteen seventy four,

509
00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:35.680
<v Speaker 1>Ford and Mills were back in the same country on

510
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<v Speaker 1>a duck hunting trip when they found the kills wild

511
00:30:39.319 --> 00:30:43.759
<v Speaker 1>boars dead with their throats torn out, not shot, not

512
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<v Speaker 1>scavenged in the ordinary way, throats opened, and the carcass

513
00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:50.519
<v Speaker 1>is too far from the water for an alligator to

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<v Speaker 1>have done the work and left them there, because an

515
00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:55.599
<v Speaker 1>alligator doesn't kill a boar on dry ground and walk

516
00:30:55.640 --> 00:30:58.400
<v Speaker 1>away from the meat. The tracks are where this case

517
00:30:58.440 --> 00:31:02.359
<v Speaker 1>gets complicated. Prince Ford cast in Plaster that year, showed

518
00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:05.759
<v Speaker 1>a broad foot with either three or four toes, depending

519
00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:09.119
<v Speaker 1>on which cast and which analyst you ask, with signs

520
00:31:09.119 --> 00:31:12.759
<v Speaker 1>of webbing between the toes. Ford took the cast to

521
00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:16.960
<v Speaker 1>the local game warden and to Louisiana State University's Agriculture School,

522
00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:22.200
<v Speaker 1>and the reported answer was a shrug unidentified. The cast

523
00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:26.039
<v Speaker 1>made the rounds for decades afterward. Ford went on television

524
00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:28.599
<v Speaker 1>with the story, appeared on the Old in Search of

525
00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:32.319
<v Speaker 1>series in nineteen seventy eight, and the Honey Island swamp

526
00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:36.960
<v Speaker 1>monster went from local whisper to national cryptid. A primate

527
00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:42.039
<v Speaker 1>foot has five toes, every ape, every monkey, every human.

528
00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:46.119
<v Speaker 1>A three toed webbed track isn't just an unknown primate,

529
00:31:46.559 --> 00:31:50.720
<v Speaker 1>It's an anatomical contradiction of everything we know about primate evolution.

530
00:31:51.279 --> 00:31:54.279
<v Speaker 1>And I've spent too many years defending the legitimate track

531
00:31:54.359 --> 00:31:58.240
<v Speaker 1>record the five toed mid tarsl break dermal Ridge track

532
00:31:58.279 --> 00:32:02.480
<v Speaker 1>record to waive that problem them away. Skeptics have argued

533
00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:06.519
<v Speaker 1>about the authenticity of these casts for years. A herpetologist

534
00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:10.119
<v Speaker 1>who examined the track morphology reportedly matched the web toe

535
00:32:10.119 --> 00:32:13.839
<v Speaker 1>pattern to a crocodilion, and a naturalist named John V.

536
00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:17.039
<v Speaker 1>Dennis spent years working that swamp in the seventies and

537
00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:21.680
<v Speaker 1>found no tracks and no creature. The investigator Joe Nickel

538
00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:24.480
<v Speaker 1>went further and argued the whole case fits a familiar

539
00:32:24.519 --> 00:32:28.480
<v Speaker 1>pattern of swamp beast man folklore serving a community's need

540
00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:31.400
<v Speaker 1>for stories. So what do I do with Harlan Ford?

541
00:32:31.799 --> 00:32:34.839
<v Speaker 1>Here's what I do. I separate the sighting from the

542
00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:38.160
<v Speaker 1>casts because they're separate pieces of evidence eleven years apart,

543
00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:42.279
<v Speaker 1>and lumping them is lazy. The nineteen seventy four tracks

544
00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:47.160
<v Speaker 1>have real problems, fine tracks can be misread, and swamps

545
00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:50.240
<v Speaker 1>are full of overlapping gator and hog and bear sign

546
00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:54.519
<v Speaker 1>that composits into strangeness. But the nineteen sixty three siding

547
00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:58.759
<v Speaker 1>is a daylight, close range two witness observation of an upright,

548
00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:02.240
<v Speaker 1>gray haired seven foot figure by sober men with rifles

549
00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:05.839
<v Speaker 1>in their hands and reputations to lose, and no three

550
00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:10.519
<v Speaker 1>toad cast erases that witnesses don't become liars because a

551
00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:14.480
<v Speaker 1>footprint has the wrong toe count. The sighting stands on

552
00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:18.279
<v Speaker 1>its own legs, two of them. Harlan Ford died in

553
00:33:18.359 --> 00:33:21.759
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty, and after his death the story grew its

554
00:33:21.799 --> 00:33:25.880
<v Speaker 1>strangest chapter. Going through his belongings, his family found a

555
00:33:25.880 --> 00:33:29.720
<v Speaker 1>reel of super eight film. On it, a dark figure

556
00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:33.720
<v Speaker 1>moves upright through the swamp. Ford had apparently captured something

557
00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:36.680
<v Speaker 1>on one of those quiet camera trips and told almost

558
00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:40.480
<v Speaker 1>no one. His granddaughter, Dana Hollyfield, has carried the case

559
00:33:40.519 --> 00:33:45.279
<v Speaker 1>ever since, publishing his documentation, recording interviews with local witnesses

560
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:48.480
<v Speaker 1>and putting the footage in front of the public. When

561
00:33:48.519 --> 00:33:51.440
<v Speaker 1>she was asked the obvious question, why would a man

562
00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:53.759
<v Speaker 1>sit on film of the very creature he spent a

563
00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:57.559
<v Speaker 1>decade hunting, Her answer had two parts, and both parts

564
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<v Speaker 1>sound like the Harlan Ford The record describes he worried

565
00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:04.240
<v Speaker 1>that publicizing it would send armed crowds into the swamp

566
00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:07.480
<v Speaker 1>after something that could be mistaken for a man, and

567
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:11.119
<v Speaker 1>she said, maybe he learned more out there than anyone realized.

568
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<v Speaker 1>I have no verdict on the footage. Enhancement of Old

569
00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:17.679
<v Speaker 1>super eight only takes you so far, and a figure

570
00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:20.199
<v Speaker 1>in a swamp is a figure in a swamp. But

571
00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:23.880
<v Speaker 1>I'll say this, a hoaxer films his monster to show people.

572
00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:28.199
<v Speaker 1>Ford filmed his and put it in a box. Whatever

573
00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:31.119
<v Speaker 1>that reel is, it wasn't made for an audience. An

574
00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:33.840
<v Speaker 1>evidence that was never meant to be seen has always

575
00:34:33.840 --> 00:34:37.079
<v Speaker 1>interested me more than evidence that arrives with the press release.

576
00:34:37.960 --> 00:34:41.440
<v Speaker 1>Ford may have been the first documented witness, but he

577
00:34:41.559 --> 00:34:44.679
<v Speaker 1>was a long way from the last a swamp guide

578
00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:47.639
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy three reportedly struck something in the water

579
00:34:47.719 --> 00:34:50.400
<v Speaker 1>with his boat while running a by you, something big

580
00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:52.639
<v Speaker 1>enough to jar the hull, and got a look at

581
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:56.239
<v Speaker 1>a creature no field guide covered. A local man named

582
00:34:56.280 --> 00:35:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Ted Williams claimed multiple sightings over the years and believed

583
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:02.320
<v Speaker 1>there was more than one of the creatures on the Pearl.

584
00:35:03.239 --> 00:35:05.280
<v Speaker 1>He said he could have shot them, and never did

585
00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:08.679
<v Speaker 1>because they never offered him harm. And then one day

586
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:11.199
<v Speaker 1>Ted Williams took his boat out into the swamp to

587
00:35:11.239 --> 00:35:15.119
<v Speaker 1>set trot lines and he never came back. No body,

588
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:19.119
<v Speaker 1>no boat wreckage. That settled anything. The swamp keeps its

589
00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:22.159
<v Speaker 1>own council, and drownings on the Pearl need no monster

590
00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:25.719
<v Speaker 1>to explain them. But the locals noticed, and the story

591
00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:29.079
<v Speaker 1>keeps his name in it, and I understand why. And

592
00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:32.239
<v Speaker 1>then there's Neil Benson, who runs an eco tour operation

593
00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:35.400
<v Speaker 1>on the Pearl River today, a working swamp man with

594
00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:38.800
<v Speaker 1>a business and a reputation. He tells of being sixteen

595
00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:42.119
<v Speaker 1>years old paddling a pirogue away from his duck blind

596
00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:44.519
<v Speaker 1>when he watched something tall move through the water on

597
00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:48.039
<v Speaker 1>two legs, unimpeded in a way no creature he knew

598
00:35:48.079 --> 00:35:51.199
<v Speaker 1>could move. His words on it are about the most

599
00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:54.559
<v Speaker 1>honest words in this whole file. He doesn't claim it

600
00:35:54.599 --> 00:35:57.000
<v Speaker 1>was the swamp monster. He doesn't claim to know what

601
00:35:57.039 --> 00:35:59.480
<v Speaker 1>it was. He says it wasn't a bear, and it

602
00:35:59.519 --> 00:36:02.039
<v Speaker 1>wasn't like any man he's seen. And he says he

603
00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:04.800
<v Speaker 1>doesn't care whether people believe him, because he knows what

604
00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:08.119
<v Speaker 1>he saw that day. Sixty years of that from that

605
00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:12.599
<v Speaker 1>one swamp, a game warden shrug, a dead man's film reel,

606
00:36:13.039 --> 00:36:15.840
<v Speaker 1>a missing fisherman, and a tour guide who saw something

607
00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:20.000
<v Speaker 1>at sixteen that he's still turning over decades later. Oh,

608
00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:23.480
<v Speaker 1>and the circus train. I can't leave out the circus train.

609
00:36:24.559 --> 00:36:27.440
<v Speaker 1>One persistent piece of local lore holds that early in

610
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<v Speaker 1>the twentieth century, a traveling circus train derailed near the

611
00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:34.360
<v Speaker 1>Pearl River and a troop of chimpanzees escaped into the swamp,

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00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:38.719
<v Speaker 1>and that the monster is their descendants. It's a wonderful story.

613
00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:43.639
<v Speaker 1>It's also as far as anyone has ever shown completely undocumented.

614
00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:48.320
<v Speaker 1>No wreck report, no circus, no chimps. And even if

615
00:36:48.320 --> 00:36:50.920
<v Speaker 1>you grant every word of it, a chimpanzee is a

616
00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:54.599
<v Speaker 1>knuckle walking animal. A fraction the size of what Ford described.

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<v Speaker 1>The train story is what a community invents when it

618
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<v Speaker 1>needs its monster to have a receipt. The swamp never

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<v Speaker 1>provided one. Now, let me widen the lens, because here's

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<v Speaker 1>what the Honey Island headlines tend to bury. The swamp

621
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<v Speaker 1>monster isn't an isolated case. Louisiana has a statewide sasquatch record,

622
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<v Speaker 1>and it's deeper than most people, including most Bigfoot people, realize.

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<v Speaker 1>The Bigfoot Field Researchers organization has logged fifty seven reports

624
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<v Speaker 1>out of Louisiana going back to the nineteen seventies, and

625
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<v Speaker 1>the geography of those reports tells a story all by itself.

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<v Speaker 1>Rapeed's Parish leads the state with nine Natchitoch's, Grant, Webster

627
00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:38.559
<v Speaker 1>and Claiborne parishes stack up behind it. Look at those

628
00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:40.960
<v Speaker 1>parishes on a map, and you're looking at one thing.

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<v Speaker 1>The Kasachi National Forest, six hundred and four thousand acres

630
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<v Speaker 1>of pine hills, hardwood bottoms, and creek drainages sprawled across

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<v Speaker 1>seven parishes in the central and northern part of the state.

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<v Speaker 1>Researchers who work Louisiana call the country around the Doug

633
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<v Speaker 1>Demona River ground zero for the state and the Gulf

634
00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:05.199
<v Speaker 1>Coast Bigfoot Research Organization has worked the at Schafalaya Basin

635
00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:08.159
<v Speaker 1>and the Sabine River Corridor for years. On top of that,

636
00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:12.280
<v Speaker 1>notice the pattern reports cluster where the big Timber and

637
00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:16.119
<v Speaker 1>the Big water meet. Same as Washington, same as Ohio,

638
00:38:16.599 --> 00:38:19.199
<v Speaker 1>same as every state we visited on this road trip.

639
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<v Speaker 1>Wherever this animal is reported, it's reported along drainages, and

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<v Speaker 1>Louisiana is nothing but drainages. In late August of the

641
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<v Speaker 1>year two thousand, a logger named Earl Wittstein was running

642
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<v Speaker 1>a cutter near Flaggon Creek outside Pineville in Rapeed's Parish

643
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<v Speaker 1>in the bottom land along Boggy Bayou. Through the brush,

644
00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:41.440
<v Speaker 1>he made out a large, dark animal and took it

645
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<v Speaker 1>for a horse, which tells you the size he was

646
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<v Speaker 1>looking at. He rattled the cutter to move it off.

647
00:38:47.719 --> 00:38:50.480
<v Speaker 1>It stood up six to seven feet of it on

648
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<v Speaker 1>two legs, covered in long jet black hair, so much

649
00:38:54.480 --> 00:38:56.840
<v Speaker 1>hair on the head and face that Witstein couldn't make

650
00:38:56.840 --> 00:39:01.639
<v Speaker 1>out features. It turned, jumped into Flaggon Creek, swam across

651
00:39:01.639 --> 00:39:04.360
<v Speaker 1>in an awkward churning way that stuck in his memory,

652
00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:08.559
<v Speaker 1>and was gone into the timber. Two days later, on

653
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<v Speaker 1>August twenty fourth, Whitstein was walking a property line with

654
00:39:11.719 --> 00:39:15.719
<v Speaker 1>a coworker, Carl Dubois near Boggy Bayou, when both men

655
00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:20.280
<v Speaker 1>saw it again, standing beside a large bush. Witstein hollered

656
00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:22.599
<v Speaker 1>at it, asked it what it was doing, which is

657
00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:26.119
<v Speaker 1>about the most lagger response imaginable, and the figure broke

658
00:39:26.199 --> 00:39:29.440
<v Speaker 1>north and fled. And here's why this case carries weight

659
00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:33.760
<v Speaker 1>with me. Whitstein did everything a hoaxer never does. He

660
00:39:33.800 --> 00:39:37.159
<v Speaker 1>reported it to his boss, he reported it to the landowner,

661
00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:40.440
<v Speaker 1>he reported it to the Rapid's parish sheriff's office on

662
00:39:40.519 --> 00:39:42.840
<v Speaker 1>the record, and he talked to the local news with

663
00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:46.920
<v Speaker 1>his name attached. A working lagger in central Louisiana has

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<v Speaker 1>exactly nothing to gain from telling the parish sheriff he

665
00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:53.480
<v Speaker 1>saw a hair covered giant swim a creek. The sighting

666
00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:57.639
<v Speaker 1>made the papers, investigators worked the area, tracks were reported,

667
00:39:57.679 --> 00:40:01.159
<v Speaker 1>and casts were attempted, and the skeptics hoax and the

668
00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:03.519
<v Speaker 1>case settled into the file the way they all do.

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<v Speaker 1>But two named witnesses, multiple sightings, a police report, and

670
00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:13.239
<v Speaker 1>a consistent description. That isn't a campfire story. That's testimony,

671
00:40:13.880 --> 00:40:17.159
<v Speaker 1>a hunter in the National Forest in Naichatoch's Parish on

672
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:20.360
<v Speaker 1>stand about thirty five minutes, watches what he takes at

673
00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:23.719
<v Speaker 1>first glance for a very large man walking through open

674
00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:27.679
<v Speaker 1>woods sixty to eighty yards out, no hunt or orange

675
00:40:27.679 --> 00:40:31.719
<v Speaker 1>which the law requires, black haired top to bottom, except

676
00:40:31.719 --> 00:40:34.960
<v Speaker 1>the legs, which showed white or pale from the ground

677
00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:37.519
<v Speaker 1>up a foot or more on each leg, like the

678
00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:40.920
<v Speaker 1>animal had waded through mud or ash. He watched it

679
00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:43.360
<v Speaker 1>take eight or nine steps through open timber and pass

680
00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:47.880
<v Speaker 1>out of sight. Another witness driving north of Natchatochis catches

681
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<v Speaker 1>a figure down in a valley off the right side

682
00:40:49.960 --> 00:40:52.519
<v Speaker 1>of the road one hundred yards out by a fence

683
00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:56.639
<v Speaker 1>line where piney woods met a burned patch, tall, black,

684
00:40:56.960 --> 00:41:00.599
<v Speaker 1>hairy on two feet over six feet even at that

685
00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:06.440
<v Speaker 1>distance seen for seconds. Reported anyway. A nineteen eighty seven

686
00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:09.199
<v Speaker 1>report out of Caddo Parish put a creature along black

687
00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:12.920
<v Speaker 1>by you near Oil City in the state's far northwest corner,

688
00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:15.400
<v Speaker 1>in the same stretch of country that runs up into

689
00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:18.639
<v Speaker 1>the Falk Arkansas Territory we covered in a previous stop,

690
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:22.480
<v Speaker 1>and that isn't a coincidence. The Boggy Creek country and

691
00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:27.079
<v Speaker 1>north Louisiana are one connected ecosystem. The state line is

692
00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:30.719
<v Speaker 1>a human idea, the bottom land doesn't observe it, and

693
00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:34.639
<v Speaker 1>the reports haven't stopped. Within the last few years, a

694
00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:37.800
<v Speaker 1>woman in the Lake Charles and Westlake area reported watching

695
00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:40.840
<v Speaker 1>a large, upright figure on her own property while she

696
00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:43.960
<v Speaker 1>was cutting grass in broad daylight, in a part of

697
00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:47.159
<v Speaker 1>the state better known for petrochemical plants than for monsters.

698
00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:52.280
<v Speaker 1>Researchers working between Georgetown and Gina in twenty nineteen documented

699
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:56.360
<v Speaker 1>tree structures and tracks along the Dug Demona drainage. Make

700
00:41:56.400 --> 00:41:59.719
<v Speaker 1>of tree structures what you will. I remain agnostic on

701
00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:03.599
<v Speaker 1>stack formations and always have been. But the point stands

702
00:42:04.159 --> 00:42:08.679
<v Speaker 1>Louisiana produces year after year, quietly the same class of

703
00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:13.639
<v Speaker 1>report as anywhere in North America fifty seven documented reports.

704
00:42:13.719 --> 00:42:17.159
<v Speaker 1>Is the floor, not the ceiling. For every witness who

705
00:42:17.239 --> 00:42:20.800
<v Speaker 1>files with the research organization, my experience says there are

706
00:42:20.840 --> 00:42:24.079
<v Speaker 1>ten who tell nobody outside of a few friends and

707
00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:28.079
<v Speaker 1>family around their kitchen table. Dale and Marcus are brothers

708
00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:30.679
<v Speaker 1>in law who have hog hunted the eastern edge of

709
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:35.119
<v Speaker 1>the Atchafalaya Basin together for better than twenty years. Dale

710
00:42:35.239 --> 00:42:39.239
<v Speaker 1>is the talker Marcus by Dale's description says about nine

711
00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:41.760
<v Speaker 1>words a season, and I mention that because of how

712
00:42:41.800 --> 00:42:46.800
<v Speaker 1>this story ends. February, a few years back, they were

713
00:42:46.840 --> 00:42:49.840
<v Speaker 1>still hunting a ridge of high ground between two sleughs,

714
00:42:50.480 --> 00:42:53.480
<v Speaker 1>the kind of natural levey that concentrates every animal in

715
00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:56.079
<v Speaker 1>the basin when the water is up. And the water

716
00:42:56.239 --> 00:43:01.920
<v Speaker 1>was up late afternoon, gray sky, every thing dripping Dale

717
00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:04.360
<v Speaker 1>was a head. He came around to blow down and

718
00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:08.280
<v Speaker 1>stopped because forty yards down the slew edge something was

719
00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:11.639
<v Speaker 1>crouched at the waterline with its back to him. His

720
00:43:11.679 --> 00:43:14.239
<v Speaker 1>first thought was bear, and there are bears in the basin,

721
00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:17.480
<v Speaker 1>so it was a fair thought. It was black, it

722
00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:20.000
<v Speaker 1>was bulky, and it was doing something at the water

723
00:43:20.119 --> 00:43:23.760
<v Speaker 1>with its front limbs, a rhythmic pulling motion like a

724
00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:28.000
<v Speaker 1>man washing clothes. Then Marcus stepped on a limb behind him.

725
00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:30.679
<v Speaker 1>The thing came up off its haunches, and it kept

726
00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:34.039
<v Speaker 1>coming up. Dale has told this part the same way

727
00:43:34.119 --> 00:43:37.880
<v Speaker 1>every time, and the phrasing never changes. It stood up

728
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:42.039
<v Speaker 1>like a man getting off a four wheeler. One motion, hips,

729
00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:46.079
<v Speaker 1>then shoulders, then head, and the head came up level

730
00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:48.519
<v Speaker 1>with a beard of Spanish moss hanging off a cypress

731
00:43:48.519 --> 00:43:51.000
<v Speaker 1>limb that Dale went back later and measured with a

732
00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:54.239
<v Speaker 1>boat pole at just under eight feet. It didn't look

733
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:57.400
<v Speaker 1>at them. It turned its head maybe a quarter enough

734
00:43:57.440 --> 00:43:59.960
<v Speaker 1>to bring one eye around, held that for a break,

735
00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:04.760
<v Speaker 1>and then walked, didn't run, walked up the sleugh away

736
00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:08.800
<v Speaker 1>from them on two legs through knee deep February floodwater,

737
00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:12.159
<v Speaker 1>and the water didn't slow it down at all. Dale said.

738
00:44:12.199 --> 00:44:15.039
<v Speaker 1>The strides through water like a horse trotting a ditch

739
00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:19.360
<v Speaker 1>sixty seventy yards. Then it stepped up onto the far

740
00:44:19.480 --> 00:44:23.199
<v Speaker 1>bank into the palmettos, and the swamp closed behind it.

741
00:44:23.800 --> 00:44:26.639
<v Speaker 1>The two of them stood there, and Marcus, the man

742
00:44:26.719 --> 00:44:31.519
<v Speaker 1>of nine words a season, spent one of them. He said, well,

743
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:35.639
<v Speaker 1>they walked out. Dale wanted to come back with cameras.

744
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:38.880
<v Speaker 1>Marcus said no, and Dale, for reasons he couldn't fully

745
00:44:38.920 --> 00:44:41.559
<v Speaker 1>lay out for me, didn't argue, and they hunt a

746
00:44:41.599 --> 00:44:44.800
<v Speaker 1>different ridge. Now. When Dale finished telling me all this,

747
00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:48.440
<v Speaker 1>he asked me the question every witness eventually asks, the

748
00:44:48.440 --> 00:44:51.119
<v Speaker 1>one I never have a good answer for. He didn't

749
00:44:51.159 --> 00:44:53.599
<v Speaker 1>ask what it was. He asked why it wasn't afraid

750
00:44:53.639 --> 00:44:56.960
<v Speaker 1>of them. I told him the truth, I said, because

751
00:44:57.000 --> 00:44:59.199
<v Speaker 1>it had no reason to be. Stay tuned for more

752
00:44:59.239 --> 00:45:05.079
<v Speaker 1>Backwoods bigfoot stories. We'll be back after these messages. This

753
00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:08.079
<v Speaker 1>one came to me from a father named Curtis. Curtis

754
00:45:08.079 --> 00:45:10.400
<v Speaker 1>and his wife and their two boys twelve and nine

755
00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:13.239
<v Speaker 1>at the time, had a spring tradition of tent camping

756
00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:16.440
<v Speaker 1>on family land along the Tickfall River north of the

757
00:45:16.519 --> 00:45:21.280
<v Speaker 1>Lake country, east of Baton Rouge, pretty ground pines on

758
00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:24.559
<v Speaker 1>the high side, hardwood bottom along the river. They had

759
00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:27.960
<v Speaker 1>camped it a dozen times. The kids knew the property

760
00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:31.679
<v Speaker 1>well enough to run at barefoot. This particular trip, the

761
00:45:31.719 --> 00:45:34.559
<v Speaker 1>woods were wrong from the first evening, and Curtis said

762
00:45:34.559 --> 00:45:39.039
<v Speaker 1>it in exactly those words, wrong, no whipper wheels, and

763
00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:42.239
<v Speaker 1>that river bottom is usually thick with them. The boys

764
00:45:42.320 --> 00:45:46.119
<v Speaker 1>campfire jokes kept dying out early, even the frogs down

765
00:45:46.119 --> 00:45:49.440
<v Speaker 1>on the river sounded thin. Around eleven, with the boys

766
00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:54.239
<v Speaker 1>in their tent and Curtis banking the fire, the walking started. Footfalls,

767
00:45:54.840 --> 00:45:58.280
<v Speaker 1>not deer. Curtis has hunted his whole life, and he

768
00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:01.480
<v Speaker 1>wants you to understand he knows dear in leaves, the

769
00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:06.639
<v Speaker 1>quick four beat scatter of them. This was two feet heavy, deliberate,

770
00:46:06.920 --> 00:46:09.880
<v Speaker 1>and it was circling. It would move maybe thirty yards

771
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:12.559
<v Speaker 1>through the bottom on the river side of camp, stop

772
00:46:12.840 --> 00:46:17.440
<v Speaker 1>and stand, then move again, always the same distance out,

773
00:46:17.840 --> 00:46:21.280
<v Speaker 1>maybe sixty or seventy yards. Just passed where the firelight

774
00:46:21.400 --> 00:46:25.079
<v Speaker 1>died around eleven thirty. His wife whispered that she could

775
00:46:25.119 --> 00:46:28.199
<v Speaker 1>hear it breathing, and Curtis told her that wasn't possible

776
00:46:28.239 --> 00:46:31.360
<v Speaker 1>at that range. And then the wind shifted and he

777
00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:36.480
<v Speaker 1>heard it too, a deep, slow, wet exhale, like a horse,

778
00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:40.239
<v Speaker 1>but bigger. He's never gotten that sound. Described to his

779
00:46:40.280 --> 00:46:43.920
<v Speaker 1>own satisfaction, he said, the closest thing is a bellows.

780
00:46:44.719 --> 00:46:48.000
<v Speaker 1>It circled them for two hours. Curtis sat with his

781
00:46:48.079 --> 00:46:50.320
<v Speaker 1>back to the fire in a twelve gage across his

782
00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:53.760
<v Speaker 1>knees and never saw so much as a shadow. Whatever

783
00:46:53.800 --> 00:46:56.239
<v Speaker 1>it was, it managed to stay in the one place

784
00:46:56.280 --> 00:47:00.199
<v Speaker 1>he couldn't look every minute for two hours, in the dark,

785
00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:03.519
<v Speaker 1>in its own living room. At about one in the morning,

786
00:47:03.559 --> 00:47:08.880
<v Speaker 1>from the riverside, something knocked on wood. One knock, loud, sharp,

787
00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:11.599
<v Speaker 1>a bat on a tree, sound that rolled up the bottom.

788
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:15.840
<v Speaker 1>The footfall stopped, the wood stayed silent for ten minutes,

789
00:47:16.320 --> 00:47:19.199
<v Speaker 1>and then the whipper wheels started up all at once,

790
00:47:19.719 --> 00:47:22.559
<v Speaker 1>like somebody threw a switch and the frogs came back

791
00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:25.920
<v Speaker 1>and the night was just a night again. Curtis got

792
00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:28.920
<v Speaker 1>his family up at first light Struck camp and told

793
00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:31.920
<v Speaker 1>the boys the weather was turning. The twelve year old

794
00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:34.719
<v Speaker 1>looked at him over a tent steak and said, Daddy,

795
00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:39.840
<v Speaker 1>there isn't a cloud. Curtis said, we're leaving anyway, and

796
00:47:39.880 --> 00:47:42.320
<v Speaker 1>the boy nodded and pulled the steak, and that was

797
00:47:42.360 --> 00:47:46.320
<v Speaker 1>the whole conversation. And they haven't tent camped that bottom since.

798
00:47:47.119 --> 00:47:50.880
<v Speaker 1>Curtis still hunts it daylight only. He put a camera

799
00:47:50.920 --> 00:47:53.280
<v Speaker 1>on the trail by the river for two seasons and

800
00:47:53.320 --> 00:47:57.559
<v Speaker 1>got hogs, deer, one bear passing through, and on a

801
00:47:57.599 --> 00:48:00.280
<v Speaker 1>March night, forty five minutes of the camera pointing at

802
00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:04.599
<v Speaker 1>nothing while something offscreen breathed against the microphone. He played

803
00:48:04.639 --> 00:48:07.480
<v Speaker 1>me that audio over the phone. I've heard a lot

804
00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:11.079
<v Speaker 1>of alleged sasquatch recordings, and most of them are wind

805
00:48:11.320 --> 00:48:15.039
<v Speaker 1>dogs and wishful thinking. I don't know what's on Curtis's card.

806
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:17.599
<v Speaker 1>I know I listened to it twice and then found

807
00:48:17.639 --> 00:48:19.400
<v Speaker 1>a reason to get off the phone. And I do

808
00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:22.599
<v Speaker 1>this for a living. Last one, and this is a

809
00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:26.679
<v Speaker 1>short one junior is in his seventies now, a retired

810
00:48:26.719 --> 00:48:30.159
<v Speaker 1>pipeline welder from Avoyell's Parish, and he sat on this

811
00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:33.920
<v Speaker 1>for fifty years because, in his words, a man who

812
00:48:33.960 --> 00:48:36.519
<v Speaker 1>saw what he saw doesn't tell it while he still

813
00:48:36.559 --> 00:48:40.039
<v Speaker 1>has to be believed at work. Nineteen seventy three or

814
00:48:40.079 --> 00:48:44.320
<v Speaker 1>seventy four, He wasn't certain which duck season he was

815
00:48:44.400 --> 00:48:47.719
<v Speaker 1>nineteen or twenty, running his father's wooden p rogue into

816
00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:51.280
<v Speaker 1>a break off the Red River backwaters before dawn alone,

817
00:48:51.760 --> 00:48:55.000
<v Speaker 1>paddle lonely, the way his father taught him, because motors

818
00:48:55.000 --> 00:48:59.440
<v Speaker 1>spooked the ducks. Black dark fog on the water. He

819
00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:01.440
<v Speaker 1>was gliding along the edge of the timber when the

820
00:49:01.480 --> 00:49:03.800
<v Speaker 1>smell hit him. He said it was like a wet

821
00:49:03.840 --> 00:49:06.639
<v Speaker 1>dog that had rolled in something dead and then slept

822
00:49:06.679 --> 00:49:10.760
<v Speaker 1>on it. He stopped paddling, and from inside the flooded timber,

823
00:49:11.079 --> 00:49:14.800
<v Speaker 1>close ten yards maybe less, something stood up out of

824
00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:18.480
<v Speaker 1>the water. He never saw detail. What he saw was

825
00:49:18.519 --> 00:49:22.000
<v Speaker 1>a piece of the darkness detach itself and rise, water

826
00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:25.280
<v Speaker 1>pouring off it, loud in the still air, to a height.

827
00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:28.119
<v Speaker 1>He could only judge against the trees, and his judgment

828
00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:30.639
<v Speaker 1>put its head among branches. He knew stood better than

829
00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:34.519
<v Speaker 1>seven feet over the water line. It didn't vocalize, it

830
00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:38.599
<v Speaker 1>didn't charge. It took one enormous sucking step deeper into

831
00:49:38.679 --> 00:49:42.039
<v Speaker 1>the timber, then another, each footfall pulling out of the

832
00:49:42.119 --> 00:49:44.760
<v Speaker 1>mud with the sound, Junior said, he still hears when

833
00:49:44.800 --> 00:49:47.440
<v Speaker 1>the house is too quiet. And it walked away from

834
00:49:47.519 --> 00:49:50.599
<v Speaker 1>him into the break until the sound faded into the fog.

835
00:49:51.559 --> 00:49:55.199
<v Speaker 1>Junior sat in that pi rogue until sunrise, didn't paddle in,

836
00:49:55.679 --> 00:49:59.119
<v Speaker 1>didn't paddle out, He just sat there. When the light

837
00:49:59.199 --> 00:50:02.119
<v Speaker 1>came up, he went and looked. Because he was nineteen

838
00:50:02.159 --> 00:50:06.559
<v Speaker 1>and stupid, his words not mine. And in the mud

839
00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:08.920
<v Speaker 1>of a little island in the timber, he found where

840
00:50:08.960 --> 00:50:12.719
<v Speaker 1>it had been standing, two impressions, side by side, pressed

841
00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:15.519
<v Speaker 1>down through the leaf mat into the black mud. Each one,

842
00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:19.039
<v Speaker 1>he said, the length of his forearm from elbow to fingertips.

843
00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:22.000
<v Speaker 1>He filled them in with the paddle blade before he left.

844
00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:25.559
<v Speaker 1>I asked him why, and his answer is maybe my

845
00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:28.440
<v Speaker 1>favorite answer any witness has ever given me on this show.

846
00:50:29.199 --> 00:50:32.480
<v Speaker 1>He said, because my daddy hunted that break too, and

847
00:50:32.519 --> 00:50:35.559
<v Speaker 1>he had a heart condition. So here we are, at

848
00:50:35.559 --> 00:50:38.599
<v Speaker 1>the end of the boat ride. Louisiana handed us two

849
00:50:38.639 --> 00:50:42.400
<v Speaker 1>monsters tonight. Let's weigh them one at a time. The

850
00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:46.199
<v Speaker 1>rugaroo as a werewolf, I don't buy, and I doubt

851
00:50:46.280 --> 00:50:49.000
<v Speaker 1>that surprises anybody who's ridden with me this far on

852
00:50:49.039 --> 00:50:52.840
<v Speaker 1>the road trip. There's no biology in a curse. There's

853
00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:55.440
<v Speaker 1>no specimen of a man with a wolf's head, no

854
00:50:55.559 --> 00:50:59.239
<v Speaker 1>track series, no hair sample, nothing for an evidence. First

855
00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:02.920
<v Speaker 1>researcher to pup and turn over in his hands. What

856
00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:05.679
<v Speaker 1>there is, and what I have nothing but respect for

857
00:51:06.280 --> 00:51:09.119
<v Speaker 1>is one of the richest folk traditions in North America.

858
00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:13.960
<v Speaker 1>The rugaroo is a masterpiece of cultural engineering. It kept

859
00:51:13.960 --> 00:51:16.519
<v Speaker 1>the faith, It kept the kids out of the swamp

860
00:51:16.599 --> 00:51:20.800
<v Speaker 1>at night. It explained the wasting sicknesses nobody had names for,

861
00:51:21.400 --> 00:51:24.639
<v Speaker 1>and it gave three centuries of Cajun families something to

862
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:27.280
<v Speaker 1>huddle against on the porch while the storm came up

863
00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:30.719
<v Speaker 1>to buy you. Every culture builds a container for its

864
00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:33.480
<v Speaker 1>fear of the dark. The Cajun's built one of the

865
00:51:33.519 --> 00:51:38.480
<v Speaker 1>best ever made. That deserves a historian's admiration, and it

866
00:51:38.519 --> 00:51:43.519
<v Speaker 1>has mine. But folk lore needs fuel. A cautionary tale

867
00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:47.079
<v Speaker 1>can survive on nothing, sure, But this legend didn't just survive.

868
00:51:47.679 --> 00:51:51.800
<v Speaker 1>It stayed load bearing in twenty sixteen, a dark shape

869
00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:55.079
<v Speaker 1>in a human neighborhood got called rugaroo before it got

870
00:51:55.079 --> 00:51:59.320
<v Speaker 1>called anything else. Celeste's grandmother didn't treat those thirteen pennies

871
00:51:59.360 --> 00:52:03.679
<v Speaker 1>like acute tree edition, she treated them like equipment. Legends

872
00:52:03.719 --> 00:52:05.639
<v Speaker 1>hold that kind of grip in a community for one

873
00:52:05.639 --> 00:52:10.119
<v Speaker 1>of two reasons. Either the storytelling tradition is unusually strong,

874
00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:15.000
<v Speaker 1>and in South Louisiana it absolutely is, or every generation

875
00:52:15.199 --> 00:52:20.119
<v Speaker 1>or so, somebody down the bayou actually sees something, a tall, dark,

876
00:52:20.239 --> 00:52:23.679
<v Speaker 1>upright figure at the edge of the headlights eyeshine at

877
00:52:23.679 --> 00:52:27.400
<v Speaker 1>the wrong height, something crossing a boat launch in four strides,

878
00:52:27.760 --> 00:52:30.800
<v Speaker 1>and that's where the two monsters of this episode walk

879
00:52:30.920 --> 00:52:34.559
<v Speaker 1>into the same shadow. Because Louisiana doesn't just have a

880
00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:39.519
<v Speaker 1>werewolf legend, Louisiana has fifty seven filed sasquatch reports, a

881
00:52:39.639 --> 00:52:43.199
<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty three double witness daylight sighting on the Pearl River,

882
00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:46.920
<v Speaker 1>a two thousand double witness case in Repeats Parish reported

883
00:52:46.960 --> 00:52:51.119
<v Speaker 1>to a sheriff and a steady, unglamorous drumbeat of hunters

884
00:52:51.119 --> 00:52:54.800
<v Speaker 1>and loggers and grass cutting homeowners describing the same animal

885
00:52:54.800 --> 00:52:58.920
<v Speaker 1>that gets described in Washington and Ohio and Arkansas. Strip

886
00:52:59.000 --> 00:53:02.039
<v Speaker 1>the theology off the Rugaroo, and strip the webbed track

887
00:53:02.119 --> 00:53:05.719
<v Speaker 1>baggage off the Honey Island swamp Monster. And the witnesses

888
00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:14.119
<v Speaker 1>in both files are describing one silhouette, big, dark hair covered, bipedal, riverine, nocturnal,

889
00:53:14.159 --> 00:53:18.559
<v Speaker 1>mostly shy, mostly. I think South Louisiana has hosted a

890
00:53:18.599 --> 00:53:20.679
<v Speaker 1>flesh and blood animal for as long as people have

891
00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:23.519
<v Speaker 1>lived there, and I think that animal has worn whatever

892
00:53:23.639 --> 00:53:27.159
<v Speaker 1>name the local culture had on the shelf. The Choctaws

893
00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:32.519
<v Speaker 1>shelf said, letishe? The Cajun shelf said, rugaroo. The nineteen

894
00:53:32.599 --> 00:53:37.719
<v Speaker 1>sixties television shelf said, swamp monster. The shelf changes, the

895
00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:42.840
<v Speaker 1>silhouette doesn't. Can I prove that? No? You know I can't,

896
00:53:43.239 --> 00:53:46.440
<v Speaker 1>and you know I won't pretend otherwise, because pretending is

897
00:53:46.480 --> 00:53:49.440
<v Speaker 1>how this field got in the mess it's in. The

898
00:53:49.480 --> 00:53:53.559
<v Speaker 1>Honey Island casts are compromised, The Ford film is unverifiable,

899
00:53:53.599 --> 00:53:56.159
<v Speaker 1>and no Louisiana case has produced the body or the

900
00:53:56.199 --> 00:54:00.280
<v Speaker 1>bone that this subject needs and has always needed. If

901
00:54:00.320 --> 00:54:02.840
<v Speaker 1>you want to file the whole state under folklore and

902
00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:06.960
<v Speaker 1>misidentified black bears, you can build that case, and parts

903
00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:11.760
<v Speaker 1>of it are strong Bears do stand. Fog does lie?

904
00:54:11.880 --> 00:54:15.239
<v Speaker 1>Hog hunters do exaggerate. But then I think about Tyler.

905
00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:18.119
<v Speaker 1>I think about a man standing at a Louisiana tree

906
00:54:18.159 --> 00:54:20.719
<v Speaker 1>line while his dog came back to him through the air,

907
00:54:21.239 --> 00:54:23.599
<v Speaker 1>thrown by something that wanted him to know exactly what

908
00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:26.360
<v Speaker 1>it could do and exactly how little it cared for

909
00:54:26.400 --> 00:54:30.559
<v Speaker 1>his company. Bears, don't throw your dog back to you, Legends,

910
00:54:30.559 --> 00:54:33.639
<v Speaker 1>don't throw your dog back to you. Somewhere between the

911
00:54:33.679 --> 00:54:35.599
<v Speaker 1>curse and the blood and the thing in the swamp,

912
00:54:36.039 --> 00:54:39.599
<v Speaker 1>there's an animal in that state with hands. The Bayou

913
00:54:39.760 --> 00:54:43.199
<v Speaker 1>keeps two monsters. I've only ever been hunting one of them.

914
00:54:43.639 --> 00:54:46.719
<v Speaker 1>Next stop on the road trip, we cross another state line,

915
00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:49.639
<v Speaker 1>and the woods change again, and so do the stories.

916
00:54:50.360 --> 00:54:53.880
<v Speaker 1>Until then, keep your fire build up, keep thirteen pennies

917
00:54:53.920 --> 00:54:55.880
<v Speaker 1>by the door if it makes your grandmother happy, and

918
00:54:55.920 --> 00:54:58.159
<v Speaker 1>if your dogs won't go into a patch of woods,

919
00:54:58.440 --> 00:55:01.719
<v Speaker 1>do this show a favor. Listen to the dogs. I'll

920
00:55:01.719 --> 00:56:00.639
<v Speaker 1>see you down the road. Di Di Di Di
