Speaker 1: All right, fellas, like we practiced two, three, four, come on,
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Speaker 2: We're two guys.
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Speaker 1: the Brother's Commonplace. A comedy and crime podcast will recover monsters, murders,
Speaker 1: mister Raisin, and before we get into today's episode, I
Speaker 1: want y'all to meet my biggest, baddest boy.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's go on, guys. This is tam Or Hey,
Speaker 3: Kamala Anthony. After that l I heard they change your
Speaker 3: name until Lante West.
Speaker 1: It took a big oh yeah, yes he did. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna apologize. I don't know if it's just allergies
Speaker 1: or cold, but I'm I can't stop sniffling and stuff,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna try my best to not do it
Speaker 1: any the mic. But it is your boy, keV aka
Speaker 1: the Diamond Handed Dirty Dog. It's not even worth doing
Speaker 1: a build up. But the punchline is just Dirk no
Speaker 1: wing stop. It's not even worse. Not you like it's
Speaker 1: not even worth making a build up. It was either
Speaker 1: that or I had famous anus cookies.
Speaker 3: Use that I could remember if we had one that
Speaker 3: I'm still saving just in case I haven't used by
Speaker 3: sworn I had. It was a funk. I'm just gonna
Speaker 3: say it. But it's like I'm the Hogwarts headmaster. But
Speaker 3: at the Staff football game, I kept dropping the ball
Speaker 3: so they called me Professor Fumblemore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fucking good. It's alrighty. Today we're talking about
Speaker 1: a real lover boy, real hot guy this week. Mark
Speaker 1: Winger his name, so hell yeah, before we jump into
Speaker 1: that though, Uh, we released a Patreon episode for free
Speaker 1: on public or publicly last week got zero new son,
Speaker 1: so we're not doing it again. You just we'll probably
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Speaker 1: and send TTS messages in the discords. A lot of fun,
Speaker 1: all that cool. Yeah, we pretty much talked about Jacquem
Speaker 1: pretty much every week. There. I got a couple of
Speaker 1: Jaquem things to kick off the Patreon.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so you guys got to sign up for
Speaker 2: that man.
Speaker 1: So, and this is our disclaimer. So even though we
Speaker 1: cover many serious cases and true events, we like to
Speaker 1: make jokes and make each other laugh stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So if you don't like mixing comedy and crime, then
Speaker 1: this is not the podcast for you. Hey, can we
Speaker 1: stop releasing Michael Jackson documentaries? Dude?
Speaker 2: Is there another one?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's another one, Dude. I'm so sick of people
Speaker 1: saying he molested kids.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a completely normal guy.
Speaker 1: Strong word.
Speaker 2: I don't think he mosted kids.
Speaker 1: Not normal, He's fine.
Speaker 3: I love that obsession beat that in the fucking Star
Speaker 3: Wars movie, Like it's so funny.
Speaker 1: Get that much money they spent on those Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: Michael movie.
Speaker 2: I heard that movie sucked?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like I like that. People were like, come on, man,
Speaker 1: where's the part about the molesting kiduck? Yeah? Do you
Speaker 1: really watch a movie about that?
Speaker 2: I think you got to wait for the DVD to
Speaker 2: come out.
Speaker 1: To the bonus feature, the complete Bonus features, you can
Speaker 1: actually watch a molestic kid to sleep.
Speaker 2: It's like the actual videos.
Speaker 1: He's like, bend over McCall, Yeah, you're not whole below
Speaker 1: to night. Yeah, dude, fucking he got Michael Jackson come
Speaker 1: swinging down from the ceiling like a cannop ego as.
Speaker 2: The baby gun through the dog door. He does have
Speaker 2: this dick.
Speaker 1: Okay, alright, let's jump into this. Our sources for this week.
Speaker 1: We got the Wikipedia murder Pedia and then three different
Speaker 1: articles from medium dot com. I think if there's anything
Speaker 1: else we mentioned specifically what it's from.
Speaker 3: Did you type in wings this guy noo wings Now,
Speaker 3: I got I see those might as well research for
Speaker 3: the gates while ordering Wingstop.
Speaker 1: That's ship's so funny. There's this lady at wingstop. Because
Speaker 1: I did my everyone, I was like, hey, what do
Speaker 1: you us want for dinner? I snapped yougether? I think
Speaker 1: it was Friday, you alreadykneww Saturday. They're like, oh, we
Speaker 1: want Chipotle. Yeah, it's you on the camera out it's
Speaker 1: all I got wigs.
Speaker 2: It's so good.
Speaker 1: But I went in there and like the girl at
Speaker 1: the counter, she talks so quietly that I don't know
Speaker 1: what the fuck she's even saying. What's your older she's
Speaker 1: like a young girl of glasses. I've never seen her.
Speaker 2: They must have killed the fucking raised lady.
Speaker 1: And I go in there and I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: I had a mobile order for for Kevin Green. No
Speaker 1: idea what she said. I was like, all right, I'll
Speaker 1: just sit over here. I don't know what the fuck
Speaker 1: she said.
Speaker 3: If she's like, there's a fucking robber in the back,
Speaker 3: please God, yeah, please, you could save me right now.
Speaker 1: All right, I'll just sit down the way the wait
Speaker 1: in the car. So alright, let's first introduce our main
Speaker 1: guy here, Mark Allen Winger is his name? Is it
Speaker 1: storming out there?
Speaker 2: It was just raining?
Speaker 1: Hopefully don't lose power. We'll see Born November twenty sixth,
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty two in Aleiria, Ohio.
Speaker 2: Oh fuck, which is.
Speaker 1: A pretty much where I lived in the late eighties
Speaker 1: early nineties. Daddy O rest in peace. He worked at
Speaker 1: a chemical planet of HERI that's my dad, not Mark
Speaker 1: Allen Wingers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, YEAHU his dad.
Speaker 1: So I got some cool stuff from my dad because
Speaker 1: my mom's been going through some ship going through some
Speaker 1: of his stuff, I mean, and uh, one of them
Speaker 1: is that Rambo knife. I don't know if I showed you.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's got like the compass on itself. Dude,
Speaker 1: I killed the fucking fucking wasp with yellow daud and
Speaker 1: then there's a spider down here. I killed it, and
Speaker 1: you're like, I killed a fucking what's a hitchhiker? Hiker? Yeah, throat,
Speaker 1: and I can now tell you which ways east while
Speaker 1: doing it. Yeah, but yeah, dude, it is fucking sweet.
Speaker 1: I was like, mabe, I killed this fucking spider. My
Speaker 1: dad's rambo knife, like yelled up to the kitchen.
Speaker 3: You do the same thing your brother did with his
Speaker 3: ceiling with that sword mashed potato.
Speaker 2: That's so good.
Speaker 1: My brother's so fucking dumb, Like he lived in an
Speaker 1: apartment and I don't know what those ceilings are called.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. It's like the bumpy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the bumpy, like not styrofolm obviously can
Speaker 1: scratch it. Well, He's wore a sword in his apartment
Speaker 1: and like, get this deep gash, and he like covered
Speaker 1: it up by putting mashed potato. Got it. I was like, dude,
Speaker 1: that's clearly it might fit there right now, it's gonna
Speaker 1: fall mold.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he just put it there ug. Yeah, yeah, dude,
Speaker 3: he probably heard that in the dude, if you have
Speaker 3: a fucking scratch his ceiling that potato. So alrighty. This
Speaker 3: is from the wiki. Winger was born November twenty sixth,
Speaker 3: nineteen sixty two, in Oleiria, Ohio, a residential suburb of Cleveland,
Speaker 3: to Sally Fishman Fuck yeah yeah and Gerald Winger. Hell,
Speaker 3: when we were playing D and d Ones, I think
Speaker 3: this might be on one of the same crip podcasts.
Speaker 3: I don't remember, but in rhyme The Frost Maiden, you
Speaker 3: meet this halfling. His last name is is a fish Finger.
Speaker 2: Fuck yeah.
Speaker 1: We never made it past that because it was just
Speaker 1: so many jokes about her finger and pussies here. So good.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, all right. So he was raised Jewish alongside
Speaker 1: an older brother and sister in Oliria and went on
Speaker 1: to attend Oleyria High School, graduating in nineteen eighty one. Ash, wow, man, dude,
Speaker 1: that the dude at Circle K who gets hit with
Speaker 1: the twisted tea. I think that was in Alarria.
Speaker 2: Yeah it was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he enrolled. In my head, these guys went to
Speaker 3: school together.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: He enrolled in the Virginia Military Institute receiving a bachelor's
Speaker 1: degree in physics in nineteen eighty five, after which he
Speaker 1: was commissioned as a second lieutenant in the United States Army.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Following two years of service, one overseas in South Korea
Speaker 1: and one back in the US and Georgia, Winger was
Speaker 1: hired by a laboratory instrument manufacturing firm in Riviera Beach, Florida.
Speaker 2: Would that would that any desert storm?
Speaker 1: No, I don't know Wayne was in desert storm? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Yeah, I don't remember. So he
Speaker 1: has killed people, he said, he he hasn't, but he
Speaker 1: said the guy next to him did attitude desert storm
Speaker 1: here dessert nineteen ninety ninety one. Okay, so yeah, that
Speaker 1: was earlier there by Iraq's invasion of Kuwait.
Speaker 2: So why was he in you said, Where'd you say
Speaker 2: he was?
Speaker 1: Where he was? I don't even remember South Korea? Well,
Speaker 1: he was in South Korea in one back in US
Speaker 1: and Georgia.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: I wonder what I didn't even know. I guess I
Speaker 1: don't know enough about what that kind of shit. So hell, yeah,
Speaker 1: sounds like a smart dude. Got a bachelor's in physics,
Speaker 1: A second lieutenant in the army working in a lab
Speaker 1: in Florida. He's got a shit together, so he's got
Speaker 1: a good career going. And then, of course our dude
Speaker 1: would go on and get married. He sounds like a
Speaker 1: real catch, so you know, he ain't staying single for long,
Speaker 1: I don't know. And soon he would meet a woman
Speaker 1: by the name of Donna Ellen Brown. Fuck yeah so.
Speaker 1: Donna Brown born November two, nineteen sixty three. She was
Speaker 1: born to Sarah Jane Dresher. Oh hell yeah, dude, Hell yeah, dude.
Speaker 1: And the coolest name ever. Her dad's name, I guess
Speaker 1: was Cash Brown. Hell yeah, yeah, dude.
Speaker 2: Wow man.
Speaker 1: Born in Hollywood, Florida.
Speaker 2: Oh, of course.
Speaker 1: Let's see a Mark and Donna wedd in nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: eight and settle down in their home at twenty three
Speaker 1: zero five Westview Drive in Springfield, Illinois. We're gonna get
Speaker 1: a few different quotes on there than meeting and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, So we will be repeating some of this
Speaker 1: because there's a little bit of new info in each one. Well,
Speaker 1: let's see, in late nineteen eighty seven or early nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty eight, Winger was set up on a blind date
Speaker 1: with an operating room technician Donna Ellen Brown. I can't
Speaker 1: see anything, yeah, dude, it was just then they go
Speaker 1: this is I hate these but like I've never been
Speaker 1: to one, but I have zero. I don't ever want
Speaker 1: to where it's like the dinners and like the complete darkness.
Speaker 2: Wait, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's I think it's just special occasions.
Speaker 1: I remember seeing on the Travel Channel We're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is like a fancy dinner, but it's in complete darkness,
Speaker 1: and the waiters and everyone they have uh like night
Speaker 1: vision goggles like you're just gonna cut your finger off.
Speaker 1: I don't do any of That's so awful every time over, every.
Speaker 2: Time I go to a fancy place. How do you
Speaker 2: cut that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Fuck that dude there? Hey, can you pass me
Speaker 1: the rolls? Fucking three hours later it gets to be well,
Speaker 1: how right back, I'm gonna take a pissed and you
Speaker 1: just crashing.
Speaker 2: Noises, just never come back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, who's that guy pissing in my salad?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 1: Why is this dressing taste?
Speaker 2: Like? Pass?
Speaker 1: Okay, stupid Alright, So they get set up on a
Speaker 1: blind day. She was an operating room technician. She was
Speaker 1: a coworker of his brother, Winger proposed marriage after the
Speaker 1: two had dated for approximately six months, and she accepted.
Speaker 1: The couple were married on March fourth, nineteen eighty nine,
Speaker 1: in Hollywood, Florida, and after a short time in Florida,
Speaker 1: they would settle down in Springfield, Illinois. We'll get into this,
Speaker 1: but they adopt a baby daughter June first, nineteen ninety five,
Speaker 1: because she's unable to have kids. Okay, alright, and now
Speaker 1: onto some of the medium dot com articles at a
Speaker 1: medium pace, We're going to read you see that shampoo bottle?
Speaker 2: Yeahman, have been been all over this.
Speaker 1: I always think of something I can't remember what. There's
Speaker 1: something that I hear almost every day at work, like
Speaker 1: a phrase or something that always reminds me of Uber Driver.
Speaker 1: Smells something that Uber Driver. Oh wait, that we laughed
Speaker 1: so hard?
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, that its fucking funny, dude, his movie sucked funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah dude, that's standing dude. That's alright. Yeah, So back
Speaker 1: to medium dot com articles on this. So Donna Brown,
Speaker 1: growing up as the eldest of three daughters and a
Speaker 1: tight knit Jewish family did I don't know why, I
Speaker 1: just I never met a Jewish kid. Growing up.
Speaker 3: We had one in school that like I remember, like
Speaker 3: he wore the thing like the little hat hell yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: And I remember he showed us like one of his
Speaker 3: like twelve gifts or whatever the hell it is for Hanukah.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's fucking sweet. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I never met a Jewish kid, never new one in
Speaker 1: school or growing up or any of that. Of that one,
Speaker 1: I thought, much like the glitterists, they were all we'll
Speaker 1: never find it. Yeah found that, Yeah, dude, all right,
Speaker 1: there's a lot more Jews than there are clitterists. We
Speaker 1: know that much. It's starting to feel that way, all right.
Speaker 3: It was the lady that pooped on her phone, and
Speaker 3: we kept cracking joke saying like she only comes when
Speaker 3: she's shitty.
Speaker 2: You never have to take here. Then it was so good.
Speaker 1: So Donna developed a strong maternal instinct early in life.
Speaker 1: Her mother, Sarah Jane, wasn't just a parent, but a
Speaker 1: best friend, creating a foundation of love and support that
Speaker 1: defined Donna's character nice. Those who knew Donna described her
Speaker 1: as magnetic, a woman who lit up rooms fucking magnets, dude,
Speaker 1: made strangers feel immediately comfortable and approach life with boundless enthusiasm.
Speaker 2: And my little kid looks just like Sha.
Speaker 1: My little shaggy little boys look just like Shaggy, and
Speaker 1: my little boy looks just like Shaggy. Heat so hard.
Speaker 1: We're never gonna get through this. U sorry, we are
Speaker 1: getting this.
Speaker 2: That's what we do man.
Speaker 1: So yeah, she worked as an operating room technician, a
Speaker 1: profession that suited her caring nature.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 1: At twenty four, her co worker Greg Winger thought she
Speaker 1: would be perfect for his brother Mark and arrange a
Speaker 1: blind date that would change both of their lives.
Speaker 2: Winger was a wing man.
Speaker 1: Fuck yeah he was Mark Wingman. Dude was Greg Wingman.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sorry. So Mark Winger appeared to be
Speaker 1: a pretty big catch. He graduated from Virginia Military Institute
Speaker 1: with a physics degree, served as a second lieutenant in
Speaker 1: the US Army. He's working as a nuclear engineer.
Speaker 2: Oh damn. So he said.
Speaker 1: He was like quiet, intelligent but had a great sense
Speaker 1: of humor. And their personalities complimented each other.
Speaker 2: Perfectly, and so I'm sure that money did too.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Shit. Within six months of that first date, he proposed,
Speaker 1: and like we said, they would get married. They were
Speaker 1: absolutely an adorable model couple is what her mother would
Speaker 1: how she would describe them.
Speaker 2: You.
Speaker 3: Shortly after their wedding, uh, the Wingers moved to Springfield,
Speaker 3: settling into a comfortable home in Westview Drive, a neighborhood
Speaker 3: perfect for raising children. Mark worked as a nuclear engineer,
Speaker 3: while Donna assisted a plastic surgeon at Springfield Memorial Center.
Speaker 3: Nice for six years, they tried to conceive without success.
Speaker 3: So he's just fucking blowing load after load, man, so
Speaker 3: many loads. Yeah, dude, this was devastating for Donna, who
Speaker 3: had I can't hold that.
Speaker 1: I can't hold any more loads loads in here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the fucking too many loads.
Speaker 3: He dropped so many loads and there He's like, do
Speaker 3: I put the fucking dirty clothes in there too?
Speaker 1: Just put all the load our own new business clothes washing.
Speaker 1: They just use the load.
Speaker 2: This is so good.
Speaker 1: This was devastating for Donna, who had dreamed of motherhood
Speaker 1: since childhood. Yeah, it's very sad. She wants to have
Speaker 1: a child. But in December nineteen ninety four, an opportunity
Speaker 1: arose when a doctor at Donna's place mentioned a pregnant teenager.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna hear this, have great news. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: a slutty teenager down the road to got knocked up?
Speaker 2: Yeah this, I mean, this is pregnant game.
Speaker 1: And she's planning to put the baby up for adoption.
Speaker 2: Quote.
Speaker 1: Becoming a mother is probably the best thing that ever
Speaker 1: happened in Donna's life, is what one of her sisters
Speaker 1: would say. Donna herself confided to her sister Michelle, with
Speaker 1: tears in her eyes. I knew at the minute they
Speaker 1: put the baby into my arms that she has always
Speaker 1: been mine.
Speaker 3: So it was like from like like as soon as
Speaker 3: she delivered dates game, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: The Wingers that it. She would appear to be the
Speaker 1: ideal life. They had successful careers, a beautiful home, a
Speaker 1: loving marriage, and now the child they had longed for.
Speaker 1: So what could go wrong?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: This guy has everything. Yeah. Quote. When Donna Brown married
Speaker 1: Mark Winger, it seemed like the beginning of a fairy tale.
Speaker 1: Mark was a nuclear engineer making seventy two thousand a year,
Speaker 1: which is She's like back that, Yeah, that's insane. In
Speaker 1: twenty twe that's over one hundred and fifty thousand. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I don't know what that is right now. And
Speaker 1: Donna worked as an do you see elon is now
Speaker 1: a yeah fucking sweet. Yeah, dude, I don't like the guy,
Speaker 1: but I don't.
Speaker 2: Know much about him.
Speaker 3: Like it seems like he's done some good, but then
Speaker 3: also I don't really know anything else.
Speaker 1: He's super lame. Like he's like like, I mean, I
Speaker 1: respect his work and everything, but like he thinks like
Speaker 1: like he's like an old guy who thinks like saying
Speaker 1: memes out loud is super funny.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, you.
Speaker 1: Know like he he like has said like I have
Speaker 1: become meme like in the last few years.
Speaker 2: Dude.
Speaker 3: Yeah, didn't he name his kid like ex Yes, kids
Speaker 3: all got wild names.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The only thing that appeared to be missing was a family,
Speaker 1: Like we said, they adopted a baby girl named Bailey
Speaker 1: in June of nineteen ninety five. I saw this video
Speaker 1: of Randy organ Or the like randi Or is just
Speaker 1: living the best life possible. He doesn't like care about
Speaker 1: pr or anything. No, And they always show him like
Speaker 1: after a match or like he goes up to his
Speaker 1: wife in front of the cameras and like always squeezes
Speaker 1: hers and stuff. I'm like, hell, yeah, dude, he like
Speaker 1: looking right at squeezing. Donna took their new daughter to
Speaker 1: visit her mother and stepfather in Florida in August, and
Speaker 1: upon returning to the Saint Louis Airport, she took a
Speaker 1: shuttle to the Wingers home in Springfield, which is an
Speaker 1: hour and a half away. The shuttle was driven by
Speaker 1: a young man named Roger Harrington. Okay, Roger Harrington, I
Speaker 1: will let you decide, creep or a hashtag wild man.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say both, all right.
Speaker 1: Twenty seven year old Roger had been working for the
Speaker 1: company for only six months. I didn't mean to say
Speaker 1: it like fucking Patty Roger. Yeah, you fucking Doug. So
Speaker 1: he's been working there for six months. During the ride
Speaker 1: with Donna, she reported that he was speeding related started
Speaker 1: talking about having an out of body experience while he
Speaker 1: was You're not gonna believe this, guys. Yeah, I'm having
Speaker 1: out of body experience right now.
Speaker 3: It's just a taxi drive from the movie Ghos Dad Satan, Dude.
Speaker 1: Imagine you're in the car with your baby and your driver.
Speaker 1: Fucking dude, I'm beating and saying I'm having that body.
Speaker 2: Mind right now. You know that dude took some drugs.
Speaker 1: He made Donna nervous and she immediately informed Mark of
Speaker 1: what had transpired during the drive. Mark called the company
Speaker 1: and made a complaint to Roger's boss, while Donna, at
Speaker 1: Mark's insistence, wrote a letter detailing the incident. The company
Speaker 1: responded by suspending Roger.
Speaker 2: Oh God, all right, yeah, that's gonna get bad.
Speaker 1: Another quote on the incident, Mark, nuclear engineer, and Donna,
Speaker 1: an operating room technician, appeared to have it all looking
Speaker 1: in They were a happy couple and we're commended. Members
Speaker 1: of the community, friends labeled them as a perfect couple.
Speaker 1: They want it to begin a family. Issues arose when
Speaker 1: it was discovered that Donna could not bear a child,
Speaker 1: But like we said, they adopted a baby girl, their daughter,
Speaker 1: Bailey Elizabeth Winger, and life was becoming complete for the couple.
Speaker 1: Donna's frequenting visits over the years of their family in Florida.
Speaker 1: She would go visit them. However, after taking her daughter
Speaker 1: Bailey with her for a week, when her plane landed
Speaker 1: at Saint Louis International Airport August twenty third, nineteen ninety five,
Speaker 1: she had that weird ride home in the shuttle. She
Speaker 1: would spend the hour and a half ride home with
Speaker 1: your driver, Roger Harrington we get a little bit more
Speaker 1: about Roger here. Upon driving home, Donna sat down to
Speaker 1: document her uncomfortable trip home from the airport. During the drive,
Speaker 1: Roger disclosed that he often speaks to a godlike spirit
Speaker 1: named Dom while he drives.
Speaker 2: Hash.
Speaker 1: Hey, by the way, did I mention are you seeing
Speaker 1: him as Steve Han?
Speaker 2: Yah? Yeah, the whole time.
Speaker 3: Which he made a movie where he like drives people
Speaker 3: around and kills him rightly. Yeah, I can't remember what
Speaker 3: it was called, but yeah, I'm seeing him like just that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh. He drove at erratic speeds and spoke of experiencing
Speaker 1: out of body moments and visions of homicides. Right now,
Speaker 1: I'm seeing visions of homicides. Imagine her driver telling you
Speaker 1: just let me out. In an interview, Mark stated that
Speaker 1: quote he said things about killing people, setting car bombs
Speaker 1: and mutilating people. M m.
Speaker 2: And they told on this guy and he knows where
Speaker 2: they live.
Speaker 1: Uneasy with the situation, Mark fall to complain with the
Speaker 1: Shuttle fan company. He was at a rate over the situation. Uh,
Speaker 1: Like we said, the manager placed Roger Harrington on a suspension. Okay,
Speaker 1: so uh yeah, So the wingers complained to Harrington Harrington's employer,
Speaker 1: saying that Harrington gave Donn a hard time during the ride. Uh,
Speaker 1: he was also talking about getting high, and he was
Speaker 1: talking about all these orgies.
Speaker 2: He's been fucked. Yeah, like, I know it's gonna.
Speaker 1: Get bad, but right now he's Ashig Walman. Six days later,
Speaker 1: Mark Winger calls nine to one one saying that he
Speaker 1: had shot Harrington to death. Oh okay, after Harrington killed
Speaker 1: Donna with a hammer in their home.
Speaker 2: Goddamn it.
Speaker 1: Oh that comes out of now. I was hoping that
Speaker 1: she wouldn't get killed. I figured it was coming. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like, you gotta get here. I shot. He doesn't
Speaker 1: say Harrington. He says, I shot somebody. I killed somebody.
Speaker 1: They beat my they were attacking my wife with a hammer.
Speaker 1: I shot and killed him. Yeah. The police initially believe
Speaker 1: that Harrington had broken into the Wingers home and murdered
Speaker 1: Donna in retaliation for their complaint to Harrington's employer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, they don't know anything about this yet. It's
Speaker 1: very unusual, like, well, how the fuck did he get here?
Speaker 1: Why did he break in? Yeah? In August, when Bailey
Speaker 1: was just three months old, this is when Mark traveled
Speaker 1: to Tennessee for war conference, and this is when Donna
Speaker 1: was visiting her family. So during that incident, Bailey's only
Speaker 1: three months old. Yeah. More about Roger. They said he
Speaker 1: kept talking about killing people, setting car bombs. He drove
Speaker 1: radically and he would speed up like crazy. Claimed a
Speaker 1: godlike character would pull him out of his body while driving.
Speaker 2: Hats.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He invited Donna to attend wild sex party. Yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: and he said, like voices were telling him to hurt people.
Speaker 3: I know, it's too easy for him to be the
Speaker 3: one just to break in and kill her, so like
Speaker 3: like for this show, I guarantee that's too easy. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but it seems like, yeah, he was just gonna do that.
Speaker 1: So when Donna gets home, she was like really unsettled
Speaker 1: by all this. She called her sisters to tell him
Speaker 1: about it. She called her best friend Diane Schultz and
Speaker 1: of course her husband Mark to tell them about the
Speaker 1: dis being experienced.
Speaker 3: Who's the one that did the fuck? Is it the
Speaker 3: mummts with the muppets? I mean, was it somebody something Schultz?
Speaker 1: H Jim Henson? Who did something? Charles Schultz?
Speaker 2: Is that one? Yeah? Who did that?
Speaker 1: Charlie Brown?
Speaker 2: Oh maybe was Charlie Brown. Maybe that's what it is.
Speaker 3: I know there was a Schultz like that did one
Speaker 3: of like the older cartoons. So when she gets home,
Speaker 3: Mark's not there. So she gets home and that's why
Speaker 3: she calls her sisters, her best friend, and Mark tells
Speaker 3: them all about this. And then that's when Mark is like, well,
Speaker 3: document all this. We're going to file a police report.
Speaker 3: So they file an actual report about this guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. In the days that followed, the Wingers reportedly received
Speaker 1: strange phone calls. Someone would breathe into the phone and
Speaker 1: then hang up, fuck you. Mark filed a complaint with
Speaker 1: the transportation company, which led to Rogers suspension. August twenty ninth,
Speaker 1: police and paramedics that's when they're called to the Wingers home. Donna,
Speaker 1: thirty one years old, lay on the dining room floor
Speaker 1: on her stomach. A pool of blood spread out beneath her.
Speaker 1: Blood spatter Mark's color, the furniture and a nearby wall
Speaker 1: and the ceiling was like covered in blood.
Speaker 2: Damn.
Speaker 1: She had been beaten about like someone took a weapon.
Speaker 1: It was a hammer and like beat in the back
Speaker 1: for head and she's fucking brutal but everywhere. So here's
Speaker 1: some details on the crime scene. August twenty ninth, nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety five, at approximately four point thirty pm, That is
Speaker 1: when emergency services receive a frantic nine one one call
Speaker 1: from Mark Winger quote, I just shot this man in
Speaker 1: my house. He was killing my wife. Please, my baby's crying.
Speaker 1: I gotta go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that isn't.
Speaker 3: When police arrived at the Winger residence, they found a
Speaker 3: horrific scene. Like we said, she's face down, brutally bludgeon
Speaker 3: with a hammer. Roger Harrington is there. He's on his
Speaker 3: back nearby with two gunshot wounds to the head. Jaquem's calling.
Speaker 1: Sorry, bro, it's not the patre These people don't get
Speaker 1: that for free. Oh yeah, that's right. If it was
Speaker 1: the Patreon and Jaquem calls, we would be answered. Lately,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't the last two weeks, I would not be in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've been hating them a lot lately.
Speaker 1: He's been fucking unbearable, dude. Sorry, so, uh yeah, Roger
Speaker 1: Harrington is on his back, he's got two gunshot wounds
Speaker 1: of the head. Bailey three months old, unattended on the
Speaker 1: bed in the primary bedroom. Not in the same room though,
Speaker 1: right correct, in the same room. There's a hammer on
Speaker 1: the ground, so it was the apparent murder weapon. Mark
Speaker 1: Winger is distraught, but he's unharmed. Mark told police he'd
Speaker 1: been working out in the basement. Of course he was
Speaker 1: fucking when he heard a thump upstairs, because Mark, you
Speaker 1: know this fucker is fucking jacked. He's not at all.
Speaker 1: Let me fuck.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was down there jacking it.
Speaker 1: The girl I was working I was working out.
Speaker 2: It's just a comedy Central girl has gone wild. Commercial.
Speaker 3: Yeah, girls going Yeah, here's what he looks like. Oh
Speaker 3: my god, he kind of looked.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a fucking engineer.
Speaker 2: He should have stayed in the basement.
Speaker 1: Is it okay to come out now there? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Did you just kill her? I won't say.
Speaker 1: I won't say anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Can you throw some snacks down the base?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I'm hungry.
Speaker 3: If he was working out, it was down there with
Speaker 3: a fucking shake way doing anything shake wait, dude washing
Speaker 3: American Gladiator.
Speaker 1: I could do that. I could easily do that.
Speaker 3: He was practicing for fucking Revenge of the Nerds on Broadway.
Speaker 1: So he said, he said, he's working out in the basement.
Speaker 1: Before he called the police, he put a couple more
Speaker 1: plates on the bar. I was down here working out.
Speaker 2: I was down there working out the just arrest.
Speaker 3: Clearly three plates. He made the baby put those on there.
Speaker 1: So he said he heard a thump upstairs, and he
Speaker 1: was concerned that maybe Donna had fallen, So he goes
Speaker 1: up to check. He finds Bailey alone in the bed,
Speaker 1: something that Donna would never allow. He then heard a
Speaker 1: commotion coming from the dining room, so he grabs his
Speaker 1: gun and he discovered a man who would later be
Speaker 1: identified as Roger Harrington, and he's savagely attacking Donna with
Speaker 1: a hammer. According to Mark, he shot the intruder in
Speaker 1: the head and when Mark or and when Roger tried
Speaker 1: to get back up, Mark shot him a second time. Bullshit,
Speaker 1: So that's what he says, and like he's not Jason Moore's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's shot him in the head. He got back
Speaker 3: up and had to shoot him again.
Speaker 2: Shot I shot him six times.
Speaker 1: Just so here's the evidence of the scene, okay, which
Speaker 1: kind of are like okay, well, because Mark is like
Speaker 1: there's a point where Mark asks, He's like, is it
Speaker 1: like the intruder is his name Roger? And that's when
Speaker 1: they're like the like, yeah that this is Roger Harrington
Speaker 1: and he says, oh my god, that's the man who's
Speaker 1: been harassing my wife this week because he doesn't know
Speaker 1: what he looks like. Yeah. So, but here's the evidence
Speaker 1: of the scene. Cigarettes and a coffee mug on the
Speaker 1: kitchen table that belonged to Roger.
Speaker 2: Fuck why would have a why do you bring coffee?
Speaker 1: Donna's letter describing the disturbing shuttle ride was in the home,
Speaker 1: Roger's car was parked outside. Inside Roger's car, police found
Speaker 1: a knife, a tire iron wrapped to the electrical tape,
Speaker 1: and a note with Mark's name address in the time
Speaker 1: for thirty pm.
Speaker 2: Fuck y.
Speaker 1: Detective Charlie Cox, one of the first responders, recognized Roger
Speaker 1: as one of his tenants at a trailer park he owned.
Speaker 1: He's like, oh shit, I help this guy. I know
Speaker 1: this fuck it is. Cox knew Roger had a history
Speaker 1: of psychiatric issues and domestic disputes. Okay, all they all this, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's only a matter of time. I guarantee he probably
Speaker 1: said something like that, only matter of time before he
Speaker 1: off some bitch. Goddamn, that's my wife. He did it close.
Speaker 1: So the case seemed pretty straightforward. It disturbed man had
Speaker 1: stalked and murdered a woman, only to be shot by
Speaker 1: her heroic husband in self defense. So everyone's fucking sucking
Speaker 1: Mark to dick right now. They're like, dude, you're a
Speaker 1: fucking hero. Within forty eight hours, the case is closed.
Speaker 1: Mark wingers Hail is a hero who tried to save
Speaker 1: his wife's life. Hell yeah, So it turns out though
Speaker 1: Roger wasn't as cool as we all thought. I never
Speaker 1: thought he was cause here's another quote. On the night
Speaker 1: of the attack. Some days later, this is after the
Speaker 1: bus incident or the shuttle right incident, we are called
Speaker 1: nine to one reported having shot Harrington to death not
Speaker 1: knowing who he was. Yeah, upon catching him bludgeoning his
Speaker 1: wife Donna the death of a hammer. The case was
Speaker 1: declared closed at first, but on closer examination it was
Speaker 1: discovered that the husband appeared as the only possible culprit,
Speaker 1: and that he had killed Harrington before he murdered his
Speaker 1: wife after alluring him to the house. Yeah, something's not added.
Speaker 1: There's a huge clue there because it had his name
Speaker 1: and not hers. He's like, oh okay. They start to think, like,
Speaker 1: after a while, I mean, it takes like years, so
Speaker 1: we'll get there. But they're like, why would a fucking
Speaker 1: murder bring his own coffee?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Did you bring his own coffee? He left a note
Speaker 1: with his name, right, if he had all that stuff
Speaker 1: in his car, why would he use I'm I can't remember,
Speaker 1: but I think that hammer might have been marks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the.
Speaker 3: Note had his name on it though that was in
Speaker 3: his car, right, Yes, why would it have his name?
Speaker 1: It would have had hers. He doesn't know where her
Speaker 1: husband is, Yeah, there is. We will find out more
Speaker 1: about that note.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Police initially suspected that Harrington, who did have a history
Speaker 1: of mental problems, had given Donna Winger a harrowing ride
Speaker 1: home from the Saint Louis Airport and scared her and
Speaker 1: their child, and she was three months old, like we said,
Speaker 1: to the point where she told her husband about the incident,
Speaker 1: which was several days before her death, and that Harrington,
Speaker 1: who was having trouble with his own wife at the time,
Speaker 1: had broken in the house and beat her to death
Speaker 1: with a hammer, which, honestly, that all makes sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it does, Like that's what I thought was coming. Yeah,
Speaker 3: But then like I was like, fuck, that's too easy
Speaker 3: for like, we wouldn't get a full episode out of that.
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, there's definitely more.
Speaker 1: It makes a perfect sense. This dude with mental health
Speaker 1: problems and violence had given this woman a ride home.
Speaker 1: Her and her husband complained about him. He loses his job,
Speaker 1: he's already having issues. Yeah yeah, he snaps like it
Speaker 1: fits the police check. That makes my harp per sent
Speaker 1: Oh for sure, Yeah, yeah, sense, let's close the case.
Speaker 1: Springfield Police Detective Doug Williamson, the interviewing detective in Wingers
Speaker 1: initial questioning, was at first persuaded of Wingers innocence, but
Speaker 1: his partner, Detective Charlie Cox, oh hell yeah. He said
Speaker 1: that he became suspicious why because Winger kept showing up
Speaker 1: at the police station. Hashtag wallman dude. It reportedly had
Speaker 1: begun a few months after the murders occurred. Remember it
Speaker 1: took two days to close the case. Months later he
Speaker 1: be showing up asking questions. So he first came by
Speaker 1: to get his gun because they took it for evidence.
Speaker 1: So he starts showing up like months later asking him.
Speaker 1: The two detectives and again have serious thoughts that Winger
Speaker 1: had possibly committed the murders. All he had to do
Speaker 1: was not ask questions. Yeah, he would have gotten away
Speaker 1: with all this.
Speaker 3: Perfect because spoiler alert turns out marked it obvious, which
Speaker 3: I mean Charlie because Charlie Cox was blind, right, So
Speaker 3: Charlie Cox, it's just.
Speaker 2: A dared old joke. He plays.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fun. The detective Cox recalls quote, I released
Speaker 1: the gun back to Mark and we sat and talked
Speaker 1: for about a half hour. He was one, I need
Speaker 1: to know how the case was going. As far as
Speaker 1: I was concerned, he should have just accepted that it
Speaker 1: was closed. Yeah. They closed it within like two days. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I was the case going.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like the one that's wind closed.
Speaker 1: I mean you said that that guy broke into your
Speaker 1: house and killed your wife and then you killed him
Speaker 1: and self defense.
Speaker 3: He shows up, He's like, have you looked into the
Speaker 3: husband like that that's you. He's like yeah.
Speaker 1: Although Winger would deny it, Cox also remembered him dropping
Speaker 1: by a second time to say that he was getting remarried.
Speaker 2: He went to the police station to say that.
Speaker 1: He's like, by the way, I'm marrying my daughter's new nanny.
Speaker 2: Dude hashtag wall Man.
Speaker 1: Whom he had just hired five months after Donna died
Speaker 1: hashtag wall.
Speaker 3: He's like, oh, by the way, I also took out
Speaker 3: this huge life insurance like the day before she died.
Speaker 1: By the way, hey, look out that window. You see
Speaker 1: that's my car right there. You see that young, hot
Speaker 1: piece of ass. That's my daughter's nanny. And I'm married
Speaker 1: for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So yeah, he's like, while we're at it, here's some
Speaker 3: of my DNA if you want to check the s
Speaker 3: that was anywhere the cop. Detective Cox says he kept
Speaker 3: coming in. I kept feeling like he was trying to
Speaker 3: find out if we were checking into anything. I went
Speaker 3: back to Doug and says, something's wrong here a big time.
Speaker 1: That's so funny because if he was just locked. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Winger reportedly told the Springfield police detectives that he ran
Speaker 1: up from the basement, grabbed a gun and shot Harrington
Speaker 1: in defense after he saw him over his dead wife.
Speaker 1: And they're like, yeah, like, shit is just not adding
Speaker 1: up now, So that's weird. Some more on the crime scene.
Speaker 1: August twenty ninth, nineteen ninety five, people were just returning
Speaker 1: home from work to day Mark wing Are called nine
Speaker 1: to one one to report that he'd shot a man
Speaker 1: who was killing his wife. When former Springfield police detective
Speaker 1: Charlie Cox arrived at the Wingers home, he remember they
Speaker 1: could see the victims from the front door. Donna was
Speaker 1: clinging to life. Former Sangamon County Assistant State Attorney Steve
Speaker 1: Weinhoff said she had been hit no less than seven
Speaker 1: times in the head with a hammer, because she wasn't
Speaker 1: even dead, like all the way dead yet. Geez, you
Speaker 1: would think of he's hit her seven times. She's still alive, yeah,
Speaker 1: fu yeah, yeah yeah. Uh. The second victim, a white man,
Speaker 1: had suffered two gunshot wounds of the head, but still
Speaker 1: had a pulse when the police arrived. He's still alive too, dude. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're both just barely a lot.
Speaker 3: Dude if he would have survived, dude, yeah.
Speaker 1: Cox says it was quite chaotic. I knew that they
Speaker 1: were probably going to be transporting the victims soon, so
Speaker 1: I wanted to try and get identification on the male subject.
Speaker 1: Cox found the man's wallet and was able to identify
Speaker 1: him as Roger Harrington. Police recovered a bloody hammer near
Speaker 1: the two bodies and found Wingers forty five coliber semi
Speaker 1: automatic handgun, a yellow mug, and a pack of cigarettes
Speaker 1: on the same dining table. They also noticed that Harrington's
Speaker 1: car had been parked against traffic facing the wrong direction,
Speaker 1: So that.
Speaker 3: Would make sense if he had just pulled up up
Speaker 3: and do it, because they would have been parked the
Speaker 3: right way.
Speaker 2: He's been here a while.
Speaker 3: Like also if he knew he was going to call
Speaker 3: the cops because clearly he played this, Why wouldn't you
Speaker 3: just get rid of the damn coffee cup?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Knew. Bug.
Speaker 1: At the crime scene, Cox said Winger was very upset
Speaker 1: and emotional, emotional, and he repeatedly asked who the man
Speaker 1: was that he killed. Cox avoided identifying Harrington and tried
Speaker 1: to calm Winger down where told police he was on
Speaker 1: the treadmill in the basement when he heard noise upstairs.
Speaker 1: Former Springfield Police detective Jim Graham said Winger went to investigate,
Speaker 1: first going to the master bedroom in the house, where
Speaker 1: he found Bailey on the bed. Then he heard more
Speaker 1: noises and he grabbed his handgun from the night stand
Speaker 1: before heading into the dining room. But wouldn't he is
Speaker 1: the dining room downstairs? Like did he go up another level?
Speaker 1: I think if it's a three level house, like he
Speaker 1: went up another level, says he was in the basement. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he goes upstairs to the master bedroom.
Speaker 2: Okay, so maybe it's just like a one floorhouse.
Speaker 1: Uh. He said that he when he walked down the hallway,
Speaker 1: he saw Harrington with a hammer swinging at his wife.
Speaker 1: Winger said he shot Harrington. They immediately shot him a
Speaker 1: second time after he began to sit up. As police
Speaker 1: come to the scene, Winger asked police if the intruder's
Speaker 1: name was Roger Guy his name Roger Cox confirmed that
Speaker 1: it was Mark was shocked and said, oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's the man who's been harassing my wife this week.
Speaker 1: So the conclusion of the case was that the police
Speaker 1: believed that Harrington broke into the Wingers home and murdered
Speaker 1: Donna and retaliation for their complaint to their employer.
Speaker 3: See, it almost seems like it would have looked less
Speaker 3: like he was setting it up if he wouldn't have
Speaker 3: said anything about who the guy was and just let
Speaker 3: them figure it out.
Speaker 1: If he just would have let this, like I said,
Speaker 1: it was solved in two days. He could have just
Speaker 1: let it play out and he'd be fine. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: he's a fucking idiot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like he it seemed like he was smart with
Speaker 3: like book stuff like Joe, don't murder people.
Speaker 1: By the way, Hey, I know my wife was murdered
Speaker 1: like five months ago. Did you guys find the killer?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Didn't you kill him? Yeah? Oh yeah. Harrington's family insisted
Speaker 1: from the beginning that their son was harmless, which I
Speaker 1: don't know about that. They already said that he had
Speaker 1: some health mental health issues, and didn't they say he had,
Speaker 1: uh something else? Didn't we mention something else? I can't
Speaker 1: remember that he had trouble with or he he had
Speaker 1: like an assault charge or something. I don't remember, don't
Speaker 1: I don't remember. I thought I thought we did.
Speaker 2: I don't remember hearing that, but maybe.
Speaker 1: I thought we did. I can't remember now either.
Speaker 2: So big.
Speaker 1: His mom said, Uh, he was no trouble maker. He
Speaker 1: was a good kid. He wouldn't even strike at anybody.
Speaker 1: That's what his mother, Helen said. I don't think he
Speaker 1: had hurt anybody, and I don't think he was crazy.
Speaker 1: But the mom, like it's his mom, she's always gonna
Speaker 1: say that. I thought we I thought we read something.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to fine, but I don't want to slow
Speaker 1: this down. That's when we were talking about Michael Jackson. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought we said something about him, like they like
Speaker 1: because they recognized him. Yeah, right here, Cox knew Roger
Speaker 1: had a history of psychiatric issues and domestic dispute. Oh Roger,
Speaker 1: I thought you were talking about the husband. No, this
Speaker 1: was Roger's mom. Okay, So of course his mom is
Speaker 1: gonna say he ain't no trouble maker. He was a
Speaker 1: good kid. He wouldn't even strike at anybody. She says,
Speaker 1: I don't think he would hurt anybody, and I don't
Speaker 1: think he was crazy, which maybe wasn't, but the police
Speaker 1: are saying the opposite.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he's hurt people.
Speaker 1: Donna's mother spoke to twenty twenty about the evening that
Speaker 1: the family received the news of their daughter's murder. This
Speaker 1: is Donna's mother, She said, Well, it was four o'clock
Speaker 1: in the morning. I thought it was PM. And I said, Jenny,
Speaker 1: it's mom, something terrible has happened. Unless it just took
Speaker 1: that long, because it happened at four thirty pm. Right,
Speaker 1: Sarah Jane Dresser said out of her call to Levin,
Speaker 1: So Levin is her sister. We sat there in my room,
Speaker 1: just crying at the unimaginable loss. Yeah, that's fucking devastating news.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: After the brutal murder of his first wife, Mark Winger
Speaker 1: moved on hashtag wown after blowing all those loads, He's
Speaker 1: gotta drop his load somewhere.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: After all, he was seen as the hero who tried
Speaker 1: to save her, so everyone wants to get some of
Speaker 1: Mark's loads at this point, subsequently killing her supposed murder
Speaker 1: with his handgun moments later. Police quickly concluded the nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety five killing of Donna Winger was a tragic incident
Speaker 1: committed at the hands of a seemingly mentally unwell driver
Speaker 1: who had once driven her home from the airport. It
Speaker 1: was an earth shattering tragedy for Donna's family, and Winger
Speaker 1: went on to marry the beautiful young nanny that he'd
Speaker 1: hire to carry to care for his and his late
Speaker 1: wife's recently adopted newborn. He then had three more children
Speaker 1: with her in the following years. Wow hashtag wild man. Yeah, Hey,
Speaker 1: God have them ribs.
Speaker 3: So he pretty much killed her right after they adopted
Speaker 3: that kid. Then yeah, three months goddamn three months.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he marries her fucking hot young nanny
Speaker 1: and has three kids with her. Fuck yeahs so, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say hashtag wild woman.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, fuck yeah.
Speaker 3: But also like he could have just like, hey, this
Speaker 3: is over, I don't want to be with you because
Speaker 3: you can't have kids like it would It sucks much
Speaker 3: better than murdering her.
Speaker 1: Uh So, now we have a new lady to talk
Speaker 1: about here, Rebecca Simic. I don't know if that's how
Speaker 1: you say it or not. She was a young and
Speaker 1: beautiful nanny with a heart of gold who wanted to
Speaker 1: help the family. Donna's sister would say, I didn't want
Speaker 1: to like Rebecca, but it was hard to not like
Speaker 1: her seeing her with Bailey. There's really nothing bad we
Speaker 1: could say about her. Everyone's like, yeah, dude, she's like
Speaker 1: such a fucking nice lady, like a nice girl. And
Speaker 1: uh yeah. She told twenty twenty she was blown away
Speaker 1: by what the infant had been through in such a
Speaker 1: short time. This is what the nanny saying. She just
Speaker 1: lost two mothers by the time she was three months old. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and she was so smiley. I wanted to get in
Speaker 1: there and say I'm gonna help you, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: make this little girl's life better. That's what the nanny said.
Speaker 1: She's like, man, she lost two moms in like three months.
Speaker 2: Yeah, She's like, I married that fucking nerd. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I didn't want to fuck that nerd, but
Speaker 1: I wanted to take care of this baby, the kids.
Speaker 1: As Rebecca adjusted to her new role, Donna's friend, Diane Schultz.
Speaker 1: Do you remember we mentioned her earlier, which was Charles
Speaker 1: Schultz for Charlie Brown too. Oh okay, yeah, uh, Dean
Speaker 1: began to make her feel uncomfortable and seemed to be
Speaker 1: pushing to stay involved in Bailey's life. When you live
Speaker 1: with someone and you're taking care of a child together,
Speaker 1: it's very easy to kind of play house. You're already
Speaker 1: putting those roles, which is what the nanny said. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Mark made me feel like I was like an angel
Speaker 1: sent to him from God or Donna, and it was
Speaker 1: my purpose to make this family whole again. So Diane
Speaker 1: Schultz was is Donna's friend, and I get it. She
Speaker 1: doesn't want to see like she was friends with Donna.
Speaker 1: She's like, well, it's only been a few months and
Speaker 1: he already moving someone in, like helping out, so I
Speaker 1: can get why a friend would be defensive of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, his wife's name was Donna. Yeah, Okay, I don't
Speaker 3: know why I forgot.
Speaker 1: There's a lot there's Dane, let's see here. She says
Speaker 1: she saw Winger as a hero in the family's tragic
Speaker 1: story of Donna's murder, and that she believed he tried
Speaker 1: his best to save her. She said Winger had told
Speaker 1: her he wasn't able to have children, so uh. She
Speaker 1: said she was very surprised when she found out she
Speaker 1: was pregnant with this child only months after moving. Fuck yeah, well,
Speaker 1: within a year of his wife being fucking murdered, he's
Speaker 1: already he's got a new kid on the way. She said.
Speaker 1: Obviously I wasn't careful. It's just kind of a shock, which,
Speaker 1: you know what, saying like you, we don't need a
Speaker 1: rubber I can't I can't have kids anyway. That's such
Speaker 1: a hashtag wabbly Yeah kids, And she said Winger, on
Speaker 1: the other hand, Uh, he was thrilled that we were
Speaker 1: having kids. It felt like it was a victory to him.
Speaker 1: Mark put pressure on me to marry him and have
Speaker 1: children with Jesus Chris. She said that Winger, who was
Speaker 1: Jewish when they met, even started going to church with her.
Speaker 1: She said he told her they could raise a family
Speaker 1: in a Christian home. He gave the way she must
Speaker 1: have the fucking nicest. He's like, yeah, fuck being Jewish.
Speaker 1: I'm giving that up so good. Gives up as religion
Speaker 1: for it.
Speaker 3: I hope she's hot. But then also like this guy, Yeah,
Speaker 3: fuck this guy.
Speaker 1: I would I would be honored to be your husband
Speaker 1: and blessed if you were my wife. Wingers Rabbi Michael
Speaker 1: dats Is like, come on. Man asked him about his
Speaker 1: change in faith, and he says that Winger explained that
Speaker 1: quote Judaism is just too difficult and unforgiving. Rabbi as
Speaker 1: didn't understand, asking Mark, I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: What do you need forgiveness for? And he said Winger
Speaker 1: didn't respond hell yeah. And then the couple went to
Speaker 1: Hawaii and got married. Hash, I don't have time to
Speaker 1: talk to you. I'm getting pussy at Hawaii. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go to the police station and tell this in a
Speaker 1: little bit. By the way, if you need to talk
Speaker 1: to me about anything about I'll be in Hawaii getting pussy.
Speaker 1: I'm right back.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember, my wife was murdered,
Speaker 3: if you want to talk about it.
Speaker 1: So, sixteen months after his wife's death, Winger told Sarah
Speaker 1: Jane Dresser, which was Donna's mom, that he was going
Speaker 1: to sell the house where Donna had died and he's
Speaker 1: going to buy another one just outside of town, and
Speaker 1: that he and Rebecca had started a family of their own.
Speaker 2: And so is her parents like still in the kid's life?
Speaker 1: Yeah? OK, but he's like, you know, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: be honest with you. It's been a month, it's been
Speaker 1: a year and a half. Yeah, come on, I found
Speaker 1: someone else. We're selling the house. Also, I'm cutting ties
Speaker 1: with your family. Wow.
Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, he's like, hey, you want this kid?
Speaker 1: Her mom said, I received a letter from Mark one
Speaker 1: day saying to me, I could not be called grandma anymore.
Speaker 2: So fucking what dick?
Speaker 1: I wrote him back and I begged him, please let
Speaker 1: her call me grandma, and he said, I'm sorry, There's
Speaker 1: no way that I'm going to allow her to call
Speaker 1: you grandma. And that's the way it is. What an asshole?
Speaker 1: What a fucking.
Speaker 3: Asshole really is like pretty much like, hey, look into me,
Speaker 3: because I clearly.
Speaker 1: Murdered my wife, and she said I mourned that loss
Speaker 1: for a long time. Yeah, for her, that feels like
Speaker 1: she lost her daughter and granddaughter, Bailey, who is now
Speaker 1: twenty five years old. This is at the time of
Speaker 1: this article, told twenty twenty that her grandmother and grandfather,
Speaker 1: Ira Dresser, would send her birthday card to her every year.
Speaker 1: I always remembered asking my mom, who's Sarah Jane and Ira?
Speaker 1: She said, my mom would always explain, like, those are
Speaker 1: Donna's parents, and they just want to let you know
Speaker 1: that they love you and that they remember you. Dude,
Speaker 1: this fucking nanny lady seems like the fucking nicest per. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so did she didn't they like tell her that her
Speaker 1: mom got killed? Then I want her, I think so,
Speaker 1: But she She's like like, yeah, your mom loved you
Speaker 1: very much, and yeah, weirds like probably like fucking like
Speaker 1: the Dursleys in the He's fu tossing it with the
Speaker 1: fire and get back into the fucking closet. So it's
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine or so now Winger has been moving
Speaker 1: on just fine. He's trying to separate away from Donna's
Speaker 1: family as well, and he's got a new lady. All right,
Speaker 1: So nineteen ninety nine, three years after Donna's murder, and
Speaker 1: then her best friend Deane Schultz, we've talked about her
Speaker 1: a couple of times. She comes forward and says, all right,
Speaker 1: I need to come clean. I've been, like, I've been
Speaker 1: having an affair with Winger before before Donna was murdered.
Speaker 1: Me and me and Winger were having an affairs. What
Speaker 1: she said, you lie, that is not the only hot
Speaker 1: piece of Winger was getting. I was also fucking Winger.
Speaker 1: I hope they're like, yeah, but you're nowhere near as
Speaker 1: hot bo. I hope they get sucking. So not a
Speaker 1: good look for Winger. And like we also said, investigators
Speaker 1: later became suspicious of Winger, not just because of this,
Speaker 1: but because he kept coming in talking about the case.
Speaker 1: That's after three years. Hey, anything anything new going on?
Speaker 3: You haven't checked my uh my old property. Like I
Speaker 3: buried a bunch of ship there. I just want to
Speaker 3: make sure you haven't checked it.
Speaker 1: At the time, Dan Schultz, she told police that Winger
Speaker 1: had made several incriminating comments to her, including it would
Speaker 1: be easier for us to be together if Donna just died.
Speaker 1: Fu Yeah, dude, all you'd have to do is come
Speaker 1: in and find the body. Schultz said she felt at
Speaker 1: the time that the comments were just crazy talk.
Speaker 2: That's her best friend, right, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude. I bet he never said that after he nutted.
Speaker 1: This is all pretty nut talk. He's like, he like
Speaker 1: rolls over, he rolls off after nutting. He's like, fuck, dude,
Speaker 1: I should have said that. I definitely don't feel that way.
Speaker 1: You are three and a half years after the murders
Speaker 1: of Donna Winger and Roger Harrington. This one Schultz came
Speaker 1: forward to the police telling them about the affair that
Speaker 1: she'd have with Winger. Mark was having a romantic relationship
Speaker 1: with Dianne. Levin would say, we considered her like one
Speaker 1: of our sisters, and that was something that we never
Speaker 1: ever suspected. Schultz told police about the statements that he made.
Speaker 1: Dean stated that she declined to participate in that, referring
Speaker 1: to potentially finding Donna's body because he was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you would just have to come in and find the body. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's that.
Speaker 2: I don't want to do that, Wing, I want to
Speaker 2: do this's my friend.
Speaker 1: Well, let's just finish fucking real quick and see see
Speaker 1: how we feel. He just as soon as he knows,
Speaker 1: he's like, never mind, he just leaves. Actually, I don't
Speaker 1: want to do it. I'm going home. You know you're
Speaker 1: fuck it. I'll just find her after Mark work out
Speaker 1: in my basement. After Mark learned about the trip that
Speaker 1: Donna took with Roger Harrington, he told the end, I've
Speaker 1: got to get that driver in my house. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is so fucked up. Like if you believe in like
Speaker 1: like God and stuff like that, you're like begging and
Speaker 1: praying for like, like, man, I gotta have some sort
Speaker 1: of reason to kill my wife and thank God, just
Speaker 1: give everything you needed. Is that insane?
Speaker 2: Dude?
Speaker 1: You're not gonna believe the guy who drove me home
Speaker 1: wanted to kill me and he's crazy, Thank you God.
Speaker 1: He probably prayed to God, like the Christian God Jewish,
Speaker 1: being Jewish, and help me get ship killing Jesus Yeah
Speaker 1: one Schultz Oh. After the murder, schultz life went into
Speaker 1: a downward spiral because she felt guilty as fuck for
Speaker 1: not saying yeah, as investigators claimed, she struggled to make
Speaker 1: sense of the information she knew. She revealed to investigators
Speaker 1: that she had attempted suicide. Several times.
Speaker 3: Why didn't she just tell them so? I don't know,
Speaker 3: it seemed like she actually cared about her But man,
Speaker 3: maybe she didn't.
Speaker 1: But it took her coming forward for the investigators to
Speaker 1: re examine the case. However, they're like, let's look at
Speaker 1: the evidence. We still got that evidence saved up, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's take a look at it. And then they go,
Speaker 1: look at it. There is none. It's gone. Fuck. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we were using the bodies for a hat weight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: here's why the evidence is gone. The evidence they had
Speaker 1: once held from Harrington and Donald Winger's case had been
Speaker 1: released to Wingers attorney.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Man, that is a fucking baller move.
Speaker 2: Fuck it.
Speaker 1: It was working on a civil lawsuit against bart Transportation,
Speaker 1: which is where Harrington were that. I thought you were
Speaker 1: good Jewish anymore, dude. Winger filed the suit in an
Speaker 1: attempt to hold the company accountable for his wife's death
Speaker 1: he fucking did, resumably committed by Harrington, who was the
Speaker 1: company's employee at the time. Yeah, what a hashtag wile asshole.
Speaker 1: Police re examined certain aspects of the incidents, such as
Speaker 1: why there weren't signs of forced entry into the home
Speaker 1: and why Harrington might have left murder weapons in his
Speaker 1: car and used a hammer that belonged to the Wingers yea.
Speaker 1: And also why he fucking brought a coffee mug with that,
Speaker 1: and also why was the scat And they're like, hey,
Speaker 1: why was that hammer out anyways? And Mark's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: he used my hammer. I left it out because I
Speaker 1: asked Donna to uh to hang up a hat.
Speaker 2: Rack for me.
Speaker 1: Dude, that's what he said, was your hammer? Oh, it
Speaker 1: was sitting out because I asked to nail a half.
Speaker 2: Racked to the wall, white and nail.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You watch. Well, I'm on the treadmill day. Why why
Speaker 1: can't you put one nail in the wall. All right, fine,
Speaker 1: I'll get I'll get the fucking Bailey to do it. Uh.
Speaker 1: Harrington's car had also been conspicuously conspicuously parked the wrong way,
Speaker 1: appearing to indicate Harrington did not try to hide that
Speaker 1: he was at the Wingers home. Detectives also discovered polaroid
Speaker 1: photos that had been taken of one of the officers
Speaker 1: or by one of the officers first to arrive on
Speaker 1: the scene that day in nineteen ninety five. The three
Speaker 1: photos revealed the position of the bodies before they were
Speaker 1: rushed to the hospital, and the images did not fit
Speaker 1: the story. Winger told, how did none of them notice that?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Quote? Mark Winger had stated that Roger Harrington was
Speaker 1: kneeling down next to Donna Winger's head and he was
Speaker 1: beating her with a hammer back. He stated that he
Speaker 1: shot him and that the man fell backwards so that
Speaker 1: his feet remained near Donna's head. In reality, the polaroid
Speaker 1: photograph showed the exact opposite, Like, how did no one
Speaker 1: notice that? Then? Yeah? Cox said, the photo show that
Speaker 1: Harrington and Donna Winger were lying in the same direction.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, yeah, as such, there's no way this murder
Speaker 1: could have happened the way Mark Winger described.
Speaker 3: So he was on his back, but in the same
Speaker 3: direction as her, like parallel.
Speaker 2: Got cha.
Speaker 1: Mark Winger had concluded that he wanted to kill his wife.
Speaker 1: That's what Weinhoff said, that fucking detective dude. Whatever. Then
Speaker 1: Roger Harrington happened to be the one who drove Donna Winger.
Speaker 1: Mark saw this as a golden opportunity, and he told
Speaker 1: dm that he needed to get that man into his house,
Speaker 1: and that's exactly what he did. Man I gotta get
Speaker 1: that crazy guy in house told.
Speaker 2: Her so she knew this whole time, like that he
Speaker 2: actually did. Okay.
Speaker 1: In December nineteen ninety nine, more than four years after
Speaker 1: the murders, the Springfield State Journal Register ran an article
Speaker 1: based on allegations in the civil lawsuit that Winger had
Speaker 1: arranged the murder himself and killed both his wife and Harrington.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Allegations were based on a blood spatter expert hired by
Speaker 1: Bart Transportation in the case. He sued that company. It's
Speaker 1: so fucking funny, awesome.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: Everything came to a head. It changed everything. This is
Speaker 1: what I think the nanny was saying in this. I
Speaker 1: mean it went from Winger as a hero who is
Speaker 1: defending his wife, this noble, stand up guy that every
Speaker 1: man wanted to pat on the back, to a manipulative
Speaker 1: of deviant murderer. As the detectives continued their reinvestigation, they
Speaker 1: learned that Harrington's roommate, Susan Collins, had initially told police
Speaker 1: that someone asked to meet with Harrington on the day
Speaker 1: of the murders, and that she'd seen Harrington on the
Speaker 1: phone arranging arranging that meeting inside Harrington's car. They found
Speaker 1: a note written on a bank deposit slip with Mark
Speaker 1: Winger's name, his address, and the time to be there.
Speaker 1: How do they not put any of this together? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Weinhoff said Roger Harrington was not an in true, but
Speaker 1: rather he was lured into that home by Mark Winger.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, though, I've never been invited
Speaker 1: to someone else's house where I just brought a coffee
Speaker 1: mug that belonged to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird. Why do you bring it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Dan schultz cooperation with police and evidence that raised questions
Speaker 1: about Mark Winger's story prompted the voluntary dismissal of the
Speaker 1: civil suit against Bart Transportation.
Speaker 3: Like bring bringing the coffee cup is like if you're
Speaker 3: really coming over for dinner and you bring your own plate.
Speaker 1: All right, So back to the crime scene real quick.
Speaker 1: The hammer, according to Mark, was his Donna had left
Speaker 1: it out.
Speaker 2: Uh oh, Donna did it now? Okay?
Speaker 1: And one one thing is says Donna left it out
Speaker 1: to remind him to hang a hat raut, okay, But
Speaker 1: in another one is said like he left it out
Speaker 1: because he asked Donna.
Speaker 3: I feel like, yeah, I feel like he if I
Speaker 3: mean I know it didn't happen anyway, but do it?
Speaker 1: Hey can didn't do that? Why because I just started
Speaker 1: a campaign and Halo too, I got ship to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, have you seen a fucking week? I look,
Speaker 3: he's using the shake.
Speaker 1: He asked the police officers the identity of the man
Speaker 1: that had attacked his wife and was told it was
Speaker 1: Roger Harrington. He seemed surprised and then informed the officers
Speaker 1: and oh my god, that's the guy that had driven
Speaker 1: Don in the baby back and he was acting weird
Speaker 1: and he's also been making harassing phone calls all week.
Speaker 1: He also left drugs all in the house, alter the house,
Speaker 1: ambulances a riter transport both Don and Roger of the hospital.
Speaker 1: Roger died soon after arriving and Donna died minutes later,
Speaker 1: So he didn't even make sure they were both dead. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's fucking wild.
Speaker 2: If one of them were survived.
Speaker 1: Although Mark said he expected to be taken into custody
Speaker 1: because he had killed a man, the police declined to
Speaker 1: do so, feeling that he was a victim rather than
Speaker 1: a killer. Springfield Police detective Charlie Cox was familiar with
Speaker 1: Roger as he owned the trailer park with Roger and
Speaker 1: his then wife had lived. Cox had broken up a
Speaker 1: physical fight between the two. It is insane that that
Speaker 1: Mark Winger was literally gift rapally was this fucking it's card,
Speaker 1: let's drop a fucking violent, crazy dude into his laps
Speaker 1: to help him kill his wife. Yes, that's insane.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like God's like, yeah, I feel that guy, bone. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's fine. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So everyone thought Mark was a hero, but like, so long, dude.
Speaker 1: Donna's family, although grief stricken after losing Donna, they rallied
Speaker 1: behind Mark and supported that sucks so bad. They believe
Speaker 1: that Donna's chance encounter with Roger Harrington led to her
Speaker 1: tragic death. Rogers family, however, didn't. They were like, there's
Speaker 1: no way he murdered her, and they asked the police
Speaker 1: to look into the case closer, to look into the
Speaker 1: case closer, but they were like, no, we're going We're
Speaker 1: not gonna listen to the family of a crazy man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: fuck you, yeah, bitch. Yeah. So after the death of
Speaker 1: his wife, that's when Mark hired the nanny by the
Speaker 1: name of Rebecca to care for the three month old.
Speaker 1: Oh here's some interesting stuff. He collected a one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars life insurance falls scene and yeah,
Speaker 1: Donna as well as twenty five thousand from a crime,
Speaker 1: A fucking crime victim's fun, dude, so good. The Chicago
Speaker 1: Tribune wrote an article on the crime, and Mark wrote
Speaker 1: a letter to the paper thanking them for their support. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then several months after hiring her, he started dating her.
Speaker 1: Fifteen months after Donna's murders. When he married her, he
Speaker 1: like we said, he gave up his Jewish roots to
Speaker 1: become a Christian. He was even baptized. And then they
Speaker 1: became active in her church. And then Mark started doing
Speaker 1: construction work as a volunteer for the church as well.
Speaker 1: They fucking love this guy. He's a hero. He's he's
Speaker 1: a fucking yeah dude. So so they have Bailey, who
Speaker 1: they adopted. They have three more children throughout throughout Donna's
Speaker 1: mother and stepfather, Sarah, Jane, and Ira. They continue to
Speaker 1: be involved in Bailey's life until he was like, by
Speaker 1: the way, fucking get out of here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't talk to her again.
Speaker 1: And then all of this would have been fine if
Speaker 1: he didn't, just if he didn't keep talking to the
Speaker 1: police for no reason if he didn't try to get
Speaker 1: her friend to help. Yeah, so he tried to get
Speaker 1: one of her friends to help. He kept talking to
Speaker 1: the police, and then that civil lawsuit fucked up.
Speaker 2: That's so.
Speaker 3: But like did he just like stop banging the friend
Speaker 3: after he murdered her, like murdered? I don't know, because
Speaker 3: like wouldn't you think, like she's like, all right, well
Speaker 3: you're fucking dumping me. I'm just gonna telling you I
Speaker 3: know everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, alright, let's see here. So Mark himself, so they
Speaker 1: eventually start talking to him, and let's see here. His
Speaker 1: visits cause a lead detective Doug Williamson to become suspicious
Speaker 1: of him. Then he he also sued that transportation company.
Speaker 1: He tried suing them for millions of dollars over Donna's desk.
Speaker 1: The shuttle company refusing to pay out, Mark began its
Speaker 1: own investigation, which is what led to like the blood
Speaker 1: he he was like gift wrapped, like the most golden
Speaker 1: opportunity ever, and just because he's a greedy dumb ass,
Speaker 1: he fucked it up along the way. Yeah, it's like,
Speaker 1: I bet you I can make more money off of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he already has so much money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like he was pretty much rich.
Speaker 1: Then Yeah, let's see here. Uh So as part of
Speaker 1: the reinvestigation, that's when police talked to Dan Schultz. They
Speaker 1: find out they were having an affair and him saying
Speaker 1: like he wanted Donna out of the picture and mentioned
Speaker 1: killing her and asking Deann to like partake in it,
Speaker 1: like oh, you could show up and find the body, YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 1: So mark himself. He will admit to the affair at
Speaker 1: d M, but he denies everything else. Yeah, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was fucking her, but everything else is bullshit. But
Speaker 1: I did fuck her, Yeah, dude, Yeah, dude. They also
Speaker 1: noted that when when Roger came into the Winger home,
Speaker 1: this says he brought with him a can of soda
Speaker 1: and a pack of cigarettes. I don't know if maybe
Speaker 1: he brought a can of root beer muddy Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's somewhere along the way that was translated to bringing
Speaker 1: his own coffee muff. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know why it'd be funnier if MI Wasnesota. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So they both are found in the kitchen table. It
Speaker 1: seemed odd that someone who was planning a murder would
Speaker 1: bring that with him, but not the murder weapons. They're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this really doesn't make sense. Does he left the murder weapons?
Speaker 1: But he brought that can of serge? Yeah? And then
Speaker 1: also the piece of paper in his house or in
Speaker 1: his car that said Mark Winger and then had Mark
Speaker 1: Winger's address and then four thirty.
Speaker 2: Clearly that was a meeting. He shouldn't know who he is.
Speaker 3: You've been just going off of like her her him
Speaker 3: driving her home, like he shouldn't over her.
Speaker 1: Husband, Like wait a minute, Donna was so scared and
Speaker 1: terrified of this guy, why would they invite him over?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And they're like, well, there's no sign of a break
Speaker 1: in either any of this shit. So investigators spoke to
Speaker 1: Roger's former roommates. All three of them claimed that Roger
Speaker 1: had received a call from Mark Winger, so fucking he
Speaker 1: told them all, I'm going to Mark Wingers.
Speaker 2: He drew us a map and yeah.
Speaker 1: Investigators spoke to the Wingers next door neighbor who were
Speaker 1: called hearing the gunshots on that August afternoon. Despite Mark
Speaker 1: saying that he had shot Roger twice, the neighbors are
Speaker 1: called hearing the gunshots a few minutes apart, so in
Speaker 1: his story, he said he shot him once, then he
Speaker 1: got back up the shot immediately. Neighbors said they heard
Speaker 1: one and then like a minute or two later they
Speaker 1: heard another one. Listening to Mark's nine one one call,
Speaker 1: detectives overheard the sound of someone moaning in pain before
Speaker 1: Mark disconnected the call. Dude, gotcha, that might have been
Speaker 1: his wife, Yeah, telling the nine to one operator that
Speaker 1: his baby daughter was crying and he needed to attend
Speaker 1: to her. So like, really, because that sounds like that
Speaker 1: sounds like someone's wife dying. Yeah, no, no, that's my
Speaker 1: adopted baby. So could it have been like he shot him,
Speaker 1: called namond one and then like wall on the phone
Speaker 1: nine one of years him making a noise again, hangs
Speaker 1: up and goes and shoots him again.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: What they think actually is that like while he was
Speaker 1: on the phone with that moaning, he realized that Roger
Speaker 1: was still alive, and so he's like, my baby's crying.
Speaker 1: I got so then he hangs up and then goes
Speaker 1: and shoots Roger again. That's crazy, fucked up. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it a pair. It became apparent that Market called Roger
Speaker 1: to lure him to the home to frame him for
Speaker 1: Donna's murder. Police arrested Mark Winger in two thousand and
Speaker 1: one on two counts of murder and held him on
Speaker 1: a ten million dollar bond.
Speaker 2: Did he have that? Probably?
Speaker 1: Mark contacted a friend by the name of Jeffrey Gelman,
Speaker 1: a successful Florida real estate developer, to put.
Speaker 2: Up his bond. Fuck.
Speaker 1: It was like, no, dude, I'm doing that. That's that's sweet.
Speaker 1: During the trial, the owner of the transport plays Raymond Duffy, Hell, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's sweet, testify that Mark had called a complain about
Speaker 1: Roger Harrington, and he asked to talk directly to Roger
Speaker 1: Duffy with Roger first, who gave him the okay to
Speaker 1: providing Mark with Harrington's phone number. Oh, he gave him
Speaker 1: his fucking phone number. That doesn't seem right.
Speaker 2: Why would you like.
Speaker 3: This guy's gonna yell at you. Yeah, give him my number. Yeah, Hey,
Speaker 3: you're not gonna get You're not gonna yell me, right,
Speaker 3: you only want to yell at Roger. Yeah, here's his
Speaker 3: phone number. Yeah, here's his address.
Speaker 1: Prosecutors alleged that Mark called Roger around nine a m.
Speaker 1: On the morning of the murders from his office at
Speaker 1: the Illinois Department of Nuclear Safety.
Speaker 2: You're fucking working, dude. Yeah. During the call, do your wife.
Speaker 1: The two men agreed to meet at the Winger home
Speaker 1: later that day to discuss the incident with Donna and
Speaker 1: baby Bailey. Yeah, let's get hurt. Roger left his home
Speaker 1: in Mural Mechanics Berg around three thirty, an hour before
Speaker 1: his pre arranged meeting with Winger. Dan Schultz, who is
Speaker 1: don his best friend and the woman with whom Marcus
Speaker 1: having an affair with at the time, was given immunity
Speaker 1: in exchange for her testimony. So that's why she doesn't
Speaker 1: get in any in trouble. She testified about the affair,
Speaker 1: and marcis sertin since that he wanted Donna Gaunt so
Speaker 1: that he and Deian could marry and raise baby Bailey.
Speaker 1: But then he doesn't. I'm so sorry, Dan, but I
Speaker 1: didn't know that hot piece.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be the nanny bitch.
Speaker 1: Uh. The defense argued that Dean was an unreliable witness
Speaker 1: dude to her having undergone electro shock therapy following suicide attacks.
Speaker 1: You can't trust that bitch. She tried to kill herself.
Speaker 1: She's fucking zapped. I ain't trusted a bit that's been zapped.
Speaker 2: That's so fucking.
Speaker 1: Hash.
Speaker 2: Do you know what?
Speaker 1: That sounds like something straight out of guy's court?
Speaker 2: Do you get that bitch?
Speaker 1: He trusted a bitch who's had fucking lightning in a head.
Speaker 2: Fuck that bit, what, let's fucking electric cure it again?
Speaker 2: Hear the chair?
Speaker 1: Yeah. The defense also called a blood spatter expert who
Speaker 1: testified the blood pattern at the crime scene supported Mark's story,
Speaker 1: like I don't know that guy says that. Uh. They
Speaker 1: deliberated for thirteen hours and then found Mark Winger guilty
Speaker 1: of murder.
Speaker 2: Fuck you.
Speaker 1: The jurors found Rogers drinking cigarettes on the kitchen table,
Speaker 1: telling as well as the note left behind in his
Speaker 1: car and the fact that he did not bring a
Speaker 1: weapon with him.
Speaker 2: Dude's so good.
Speaker 1: During sentencing, Mark continued to protest his innocence, even giving
Speaker 1: a lengthy speech to the judge where he asserted that
Speaker 1: Roger Harrington had killed Donna. So he said, like, you
Speaker 1: don't understand he saw Roger do it. He sentenced a
Speaker 1: life in prison without the possibility of parole and sent
Speaker 1: to the Pawntiac Correctional Center in Pontiac, Illinois. Hell I
Speaker 1: saw what he looks like. He has like a giant
Speaker 1: fucking Santa Claus Beard.
Speaker 2: Dude.
Speaker 1: Fuck yeah, so his hot peace ass. Nanny White Rebecca.
Speaker 1: She stood by her husband and supported him throughout the trial. However,
Speaker 1: as soon as they found him guilty, she followed for divorce.
Speaker 2: Dude.
Speaker 1: She left the area and changed the children's last names
Speaker 1: and an attempt to protect them.
Speaker 2: Nice tell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's good for her. The story is not over.
Speaker 1: Mark Winger's story is not over, though. Shortly after arriving
Speaker 1: in Aniak in August of two thousand and two, he
Speaker 1: struck up a friendship with a fellow inmate named Terry Hubble.
Speaker 1: Like Winger, Hubble was in prison for beating a woman
Speaker 1: to death. Yeah this looks like good company.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Winger apparently thought he was a perfect partner and a
Speaker 1: murder for higher plot. Hell yeah, to eliminate a witness
Speaker 1: in his case. The case is over. Yeah, I need
Speaker 1: you to kill Dian Schultz. Fuck yeah, dude, the woman
Speaker 1: he had promised to marry once Donald was out of
Speaker 1: the picture. Hubble didn't think much of Wingers solicitation, since quote,
Speaker 1: everybody that has in prison pretty well says they would
Speaker 1: like to get rid of a witness in their face.
Speaker 2: So yeah.
Speaker 3: Winger was not to be deterred and eventually provided Hubble
Speaker 3: with a nineteen page handwritten note outlining his plans.
Speaker 2: Dude, fuck yeah, dude, he's like, I'm not reading all this.
Speaker 1: Which now included kidnapping Jeff Gelman.
Speaker 2: Why who's that? He was the guy?
Speaker 1: No, he's the realtor who wouldn't post a bail. Oh,
Speaker 1: you got to kidnap that guy. I heard he could
Speaker 1: like see like, it's just a Helpble Teles.
Speaker 2: Know how to do this.
Speaker 1: We got to kidnap that guy because he's got money.
Speaker 1: He wouldn't post my bail and I don't like that.
Speaker 1: Wingers plan was to extort huge sums of money in
Speaker 1: exchange for not hurting Galman's family. Wow, I promise that
Speaker 1: would not be kept. His Wingers plan was not only
Speaker 1: to kill Galman, but his family as well. Yeah, keep
Speaker 1: reading reading the nineteen page hand written note. The money
Speaker 1: received from Galman would then pay a hit man to
Speaker 1: kidnap Diane Schultz, who would then be forced to record
Speaker 1: and write statements that she had committed perjury during the
Speaker 1: trial that Mark Winger was innocent. How they're gonna kill her, though,
Speaker 1: how would setting up this plan? Yeah, clearly you set
Speaker 1: this plan up. How would any of that lead to
Speaker 1: you being in it?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Once that been completed, Schultz would be killed, but her
Speaker 1: death should be made to look like a suicide. Hey,
Speaker 1: the bitch is already suicide. He's already been zapped.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's already zapped.
Speaker 1: In true engineer style, Winger ordered that fingerprints to be
Speaker 1: found on schultz suicide note and the cassette tape in
Speaker 1: which she would state that she had committed perjury be hers,
Speaker 1: and her DNA was to be found on both the
Speaker 1: envelope and stamp that would contain the suicide note. Fuck yeah,
Speaker 1: the fucking idiot. Should any money be left over after
Speaker 1: these schemes. So he's like, we're gonna take him for
Speaker 1: a ton of money. We're gonna use that money to
Speaker 1: pay a hit man, which hit band I don't know yet.
Speaker 1: We're gonna find one to pay one to kill this woman.
Speaker 1: If there is money left over, let's go ahead, and
Speaker 1: we're gonna set up an additional hit. My father in law,
Speaker 1: Ira Dresser, Why what do he do because he's a
Speaker 1: son of a gunfather in law and I don't like him.
Speaker 2: Fuck you.
Speaker 1: Idiot, what's the guy helping him getting out of it? Day?
Speaker 2: If you're using all the money for the hitman.
Speaker 1: Let's see here for all of his planning. However, Winger
Speaker 1: apparently didn't consider that he would be the common link
Speaker 1: in the deaths of the Galman family, Dan Schultz, and
Speaker 1: Irish Rush. Yeah, fucking idiot. Yeah, what do all three
Speaker 1: of those have in common? I don't know you, Mark Winger?
Speaker 1: Dumbas Yeah. Two thousand and six, Winger, then forty eight
Speaker 1: years old, was indicted for a solicitation. He claimed that
Speaker 1: his murder plots were pure fantasy, spurned on by his
Speaker 1: anger over his conviction, by the way which he believed
Speaker 1: was politically motivated.
Speaker 2: Them.
Speaker 1: He also blamed his revenge fantasies on the dehumanizing conditions
Speaker 1: at maximum security prisons, which he described as a warehouse
Speaker 1: of men but also insane asylums. Hubble, the man he
Speaker 1: had solicitated, he said, was a sly fox that was
Speaker 1: scamming him, and he claimed to fear Hubble all right.
Speaker 1: The jury didn't believe him, of course not, and after
Speaker 1: three hours of deliberation, he was convict in June two
Speaker 1: thousand and seven and was gifted with two thirty five
Speaker 1: years sentences. Yeah, that were tacked on to the end
Speaker 1: of his life, like he's already in like like in
Speaker 1: jail for life, and they're like, by the way, Jose,
Speaker 1: two more thirty five year.
Speaker 2: Like the three hour thing. That means the jurors went
Speaker 2: and got launched and came back like, by the way guilty.
Speaker 1: That was the Carmelo Anthony fucking yeah, let's go ahead,
Speaker 1: Let's eat a couple of croissants and fill this paperwork out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, can we just hold him guilty now and then go?
Speaker 1: So the Winger case was fictionalized on an episode of
Speaker 1: CSI also forty eight hours. I've never seen forty eight hours.
Speaker 1: I don't really don't know what that is, but this
Speaker 1: case is like a popular one in shows and stuff.
Speaker 1: Following Donna's murder, Sarah Jane and Ira Dresser raise over
Speaker 1: forty thousand dollars to build Donna's playroom in Joe DiMaggio's
Speaker 1: Children's hospital in Hollywood, Florida in nineteen ninety eight. So
Speaker 1: that's awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: After their former son in law was exposed as Donna's killer,
Speaker 1: they established Donna's Fun in Broward County, Florida Women Florida's
Speaker 1: Women in Distress shelter. So they're doing good. That's awesome
Speaker 1: that they're doing stuff like that, not even realizing that
Speaker 1: from prison, he's trying to find him killed, get a
Speaker 1: hit man to kill him. Yeah, Ira isn't even mentioned
Speaker 1: at all in his story, so like, why does he
Speaker 1: want to be? Although Rebecca the Nanny said her marriage
Speaker 1: to Mark was a happy one because yes, she didn't
Speaker 1: know any of that. They had like a normal happy
Speaker 1: life actually, yeah, surrounded by their children and church family.
Speaker 1: She took to children and moved to Louisville, Kentucky. Following
Speaker 1: the two thousand and two trial. Winger responded by threatening
Speaker 1: her life. What Yeah, the two were divorced and she
Speaker 1: has remained private because she changed her name the kids
Speaker 1: in all that stuff. In a rare twenty sixteen interview,
Speaker 1: she says she wanted to provide support to other single
Speaker 1: moms and that family members of convicted murderers were living victims.
Speaker 1: She also claimed that the entire experience with Winger only
Speaker 1: strengthened her religious faith.
Speaker 2: All Right, it seems like a nice girl.
Speaker 1: Roger Harrington's parents, Ralph and Helen, they live to see
Speaker 1: their son's name cleared, which was nice good and they
Speaker 1: also saw Mark Winger convicted of the murders of Donna
Speaker 1: and Roger. Ralph died in twenty ten at the age
Speaker 1: of seventy three, so as of right now, Mark is
Speaker 1: still incarcerated at Maynard Correctional Center in Illinois. The formerly
Speaker 1: slender engineer has now reportedly beefed up to two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifteen pounds. O dude, they're like you. Not only
Speaker 1: does he have a giant fucking wizard beard, he's jacked
Speaker 1: and he also he got an eagle tattoo on his leg.
Speaker 2: God damn it.
Speaker 1: What fu Yeah, very litigious. He mounted numerous lawsuits beginning
Speaker 1: two thousand and six concerning where he can exercise. There's
Speaker 1: no there's no word out you know who also can't
Speaker 1: excite your fucking yeah so bitch. By the way, he
Speaker 1: also says he suffers from depression. Yeah, yeah, No one
Speaker 1: cares about me, dude, I'm depressed, I have panic attacks.
Speaker 1: No one fucking cares about about me, don't and physical
Speaker 1: illness caused by his exclusion from the prisons exercise yard.
Speaker 1: By the way, we're back on that. Yeah, I fucking physically.
Speaker 3: I can't exercise. Dude, you're in there for life. Why
Speaker 3: do you want to get fit? Like, yeah, just dive faster.
Speaker 1: As the exclusion forced him to remain within his cell,
Speaker 1: he argued that constituted cruel and unusual punishment had a
Speaker 1: violation of his eight Who cares, dude, Yeah he's yeah,
Speaker 1: who cares? He's He's in there forever. He's dumb. He
Speaker 1: saw he had everything gifted to him perfectly, and he
Speaker 1: just couldn't be a fucking idiot dude.
Speaker 2: Like that's the thing.
Speaker 3: Like, I mean, he wasn't going anyway because he had
Speaker 3: he had no possibility of parole. But him fucking coming
Speaker 3: up with that scheme is so goddamn funny. The other
Speaker 3: way killed that guy? If not, all I'm saying is
Speaker 3: if over, Yeah, how many members of Blink one two there?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, now there's gonna be one last if there's
Speaker 1: if there's anybody left over, there's gonna be one last.
Speaker 1: That's the only one they can't trace back to him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and randomly's somewhat killed the fucking Travis Barker. We can't
Speaker 1: figure out why.
Speaker 2: For some reason, his body is in there with them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what happened, So alrighty that was
Speaker 1: our case. We're gonna go ahead and shut her down.
Speaker 1: Anything you want to say, Primo, that.
Speaker 2: Was crazy one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a wild one.
Speaker 2: He had some hashtag wildman's and there. I mean, the
Speaker 2: whole scheme is a hashag.
Speaker 1: Dude, it really is he and like, I know, we've
Speaker 1: said it a bunch. He easily he did get away
Speaker 1: with it. Yeah, and then he just wouldn't stop being
Speaker 1: an idiot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like he like it wasn't even him getting away
Speaker 3: with it, was just like the circumstances like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 2: And he's like, let me try get some more money
Speaker 2: out of it.
Speaker 1: What's going on, Detective Si, Do you guys get a
Speaker 1: chance to look closer at the evidence. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: you should, please don't, but are you looking? You know, hey,
Speaker 1: do you see that ful Hey by the way, look
Speaker 1: at that window. You see that hot piece of as good? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's my truck. That's my truck, and that's my fuck.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: He's like he keeps going in there asking for that
Speaker 3: bowler with the bodies he has that we can't give
Speaker 3: you that, dude.
Speaker 1: He's like he's like, yeah, do you see that bumper
Speaker 1: sticker my truck? My fuck, that is copyright. I am.
Speaker 2: Copy.
Speaker 1: That's copyright, motherfucker the copyright.
Speaker 2: Oh no, that's it's copyright.
Speaker 1: That's copyright, motherfucker.
Speaker 3: Was when you told the story about the girl coming
Speaker 3: up the idea where fun what was like homeless people
Speaker 3: like fighting each other or something like that, And then.
Speaker 1: I was like, she just looks at the classes and
Speaker 1: that's copyright. I fealing that fucking guy we were watching
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl with No it was wrestling, oh right, yeah,
Speaker 1: for green Man it was Jeremy and he looked down
Speaker 1: at it was like a pack of gum, and he goes, that's.
Speaker 3: Copyright for a bit, and we're just like what, like
Speaker 3: nobody Like I think green Man just knew not to
Speaker 3: pay attention to him because he was an idiot.
Speaker 2: But like, I'm just like what I was talking about.
Speaker 1: I was also mixing it up with when we were
Speaker 1: watching the Super Bowl. It was when the Saints were
Speaker 1: in it, but there was a guy we were watching
Speaker 1: it with. I don't remember who he was, but he's like,
Speaker 1: oh man, he's a great quarterback. You see the way
Speaker 1: that the ball drops back and throws it? Yeah, yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: is that one quarterback?
Speaker 2: I don't remember who that was. Guy.
Speaker 1: You see the way he like they he yells hike
Speaker 1: and then he just gets he throws the ball. But
Speaker 1: talking about the rewind out he threw that ball, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you see the way he like stepped back and threw
Speaker 1: the balls. Dude. Yeah, dude, it's the fucking super Bowl
Speaker 1: that he could throw it if.
Speaker 2: You ever watched any sport ever.
Speaker 1: So all right, we're gonna shut her down now and
Speaker 1: get onto the Patreon episode. So thank you so much
Speaker 1: for joining us. Be good and laugh at the dark stuff.
Speaker 1: Hashtag wild man, hashtag wild woman, hashtag wing man. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: fucking winger winger A winger hardly knewer. So all I'm
Speaker 1: saying is literally all you have to do is show
Speaker 1: up and just find the bitch dead dude, and don't
Speaker 1: tell anyone in prison.
Speaker 2: Like how did that like scheme can take nineteen pages?
Speaker 1: He like drew it.
Speaker 3: All it needed to be was like the hit list
Speaker 3: and like yeah, like it didn't like hire hitman for this,
Speaker 3: hitman for this, Like what were the other nineteen like.
Speaker 1: Half of them are just the captain on our pants
Speaker 1: flip a rama, why is this? He's like, yeah, she's alive.
Speaker 1: Now she's dead, alive dead live dead.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's just like it was nineteen pages because he
Speaker 3: wrote it on like a Calvin and Hobbes.
Speaker 1: But all right, we're shut her down. Yeah, come on
Speaker 1: down is the first calm place to know. Come to
Speaker 1: the father to
Speaker 2: The brothers,