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<v Speaker 1>All right, fellas, like we practiced two, three, four, come on,

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<v Speaker 1>come on down with the brothers, Come on down to

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<v Speaker 1>the Brother's coming Place to.

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<v Speaker 2>We're two guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Fucking oh yeah, we're two guys. Fucking yeah. They were

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<v Speaker 1>doing Power Squad. I used to doing Butterfly Girl. You're

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<v Speaker 1>taking my pants off, so already welcome everyone back to

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<v Speaker 1>the Brother's Commonplace. A comedy and crime podcast will recover monsters, murders,

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<v Speaker 1>mister Raisin, and before we get into today's episode, I

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<v Speaker 1>want y'all to meet my biggest, baddest boy.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, let's go on, guys. This is tam Or Hey,

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<v Speaker 3>Kamala Anthony. After that l I heard they change your

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<v Speaker 3>name until Lante West.

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<v Speaker 1>It took a big oh yeah, yes he did. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna apologize. I don't know if it's just allergies

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<v Speaker 1>or cold, but I'm I can't stop sniffling and stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm gonna try my best to not do it

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<v Speaker 1>any the mic. But it is your boy, keV aka

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<v Speaker 1>the Diamond Handed Dirty Dog. It's not even worth doing

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<v Speaker 1>a build up. But the punchline is just Dirk no

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<v Speaker 1>wing stop. It's not even worse. Not you like it's

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<v Speaker 1>not even worth making a build up. It was either

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<v Speaker 1>that or I had famous anus cookies.

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<v Speaker 3>Use that I could remember if we had one that

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<v Speaker 3>I'm still saving just in case I haven't used by

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<v Speaker 3>sworn I had. It was a funk. I'm just gonna

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<v Speaker 3>say it. But it's like I'm the Hogwarts headmaster. But

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<v Speaker 3>at the Staff football game, I kept dropping the ball

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<v Speaker 3>so they called me Professor Fumblemore.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's fucking good. It's alrighty. Today we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>a real lover boy, real hot guy this week. Mark

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<v Speaker 1>Winger his name, so hell yeah, before we jump into

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<v Speaker 1>that though, Uh, we released a Patreon episode for free

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<v Speaker 1>on public or publicly last week got zero new son,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're not doing it again. You just we'll probably

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<v Speaker 1>do it again, like maybe once every couple of months

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<v Speaker 1>or something. Yeah, but alright, so we got a Patreon

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<v Speaker 1>trying to support us two or five dollars a month

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<v Speaker 1>or for free. Just let me know and I'll try

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<v Speaker 1>to hook you up and you get bonus episodes every

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<v Speaker 1>week and you can listen live as we record it

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<v Speaker 1>and send TTS messages in the discords. A lot of fun,

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<v Speaker 1>all that cool. Yeah, we pretty much talked about Jacquem

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much every week. There. I got a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>Jaquem things to kick off the Patreon.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, so you guys got to sign up for

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<v Speaker 2>that man.

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<v Speaker 1>So, and this is our disclaimer. So even though we

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<v Speaker 1>cover many serious cases and true events, we like to

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<v Speaker 1>make jokes and make each other laugh stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you don't like mixing comedy and crime, then

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<v Speaker 1>this is not the podcast for you. Hey, can we

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<v Speaker 1>stop releasing Michael Jackson documentaries? Dude?

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<v Speaker 2>Is there another one?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's another one, Dude. I'm so sick of people

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<v Speaker 1>saying he molested kids.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's a completely normal guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Strong word.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think he mosted kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Not normal, He's fine.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that obsession beat that in the fucking Star

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<v Speaker 3>Wars movie, Like it's so funny.

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<v Speaker 1>Get that much money they spent on those Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Michael movie.

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<v Speaker 2>I heard that movie sucked?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I like I like that. People were like, come on, man,

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<v Speaker 1>where's the part about the molesting kiduck? Yeah? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>really watch a movie about that?

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<v Speaker 2>I think you got to wait for the DVD to

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<v Speaker 2>come out.

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<v Speaker 1>To the bonus feature, the complete Bonus features, you can

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<v Speaker 1>actually watch a molestic kid to sleep.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like the actual videos.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, bend over McCall, Yeah, you're not whole below

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<v Speaker 1>to night. Yeah, dude, fucking he got Michael Jackson come

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<v Speaker 1>swinging down from the ceiling like a cannop ego as.

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<v Speaker 2>The baby gun through the dog door. He does have

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<v Speaker 2>this dick.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, alright, let's jump into this. Our sources for this week.

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<v Speaker 1>We got the Wikipedia murder Pedia and then three different

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<v Speaker 1>articles from medium dot com. I think if there's anything

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<v Speaker 1>else we mentioned specifically what it's from.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you type in wings this guy noo wings Now,

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<v Speaker 3>I got I see those might as well research for

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<v Speaker 3>the gates while ordering Wingstop.

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<v Speaker 1>That's ship's so funny. There's this lady at wingstop. Because

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<v Speaker 1>I did my everyone, I was like, hey, what do

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<v Speaker 1>you us want for dinner? I snapped yougether? I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was Friday, you alreadykneww Saturday. They're like, oh, we

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<v Speaker 1>want Chipotle. Yeah, it's you on the camera out it's

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<v Speaker 1>all I got wigs.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so good.

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<v Speaker 1>But I went in there and like the girl at

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<v Speaker 1>the counter, she talks so quietly that I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what the fuck she's even saying. What's your older she's

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<v Speaker 1>like a young girl of glasses. I've never seen her.

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<v Speaker 2>They must have killed the fucking raised lady.

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<v Speaker 1>And I go in there and I was like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I had a mobile order for for Kevin Green. No

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<v Speaker 1>idea what she said. I was like, all right, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>just sit over here. I don't know what the fuck

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<v Speaker 3>If she's like, there's a fucking robber in the back,

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<v Speaker 3>please God, yeah, please, you could save me right now.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, I'll just sit down the way the wait

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<v Speaker 1>in the car. So alright, let's first introduce our main

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<v Speaker 1>guy here, Mark Allen Winger is his name? Is it

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<v Speaker 1>storming out there?

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<v Speaker 2>It was just raining?

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<v Speaker 1>Hopefully don't lose power. We'll see Born November twenty sixth,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty two in Aleiria, Ohio.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh fuck, which is.

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<v Speaker 1>A pretty much where I lived in the late eighties

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<v Speaker 1>early nineties. Daddy O rest in peace. He worked at

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<v Speaker 1>a chemical planet of HERI that's my dad, not Mark

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<v Speaker 1>Allen Wingers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, YEAHU his dad.

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<v Speaker 1>So I got some cool stuff from my dad because

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<v Speaker 1>my mom's been going through some ship going through some

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<v Speaker 1>of his stuff, I mean, and uh, one of them

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<v Speaker 1>is that Rambo knife. I don't know if I showed you.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it's got like the compass on itself. Dude,

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<v Speaker 1>I killed the fucking fucking wasp with yellow daud and

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<v Speaker 1>then there's a spider down here. I killed it, and

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, I killed a fucking what's a hitchhiker? Hiker? Yeah, throat,

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<v Speaker 1>and I can now tell you which ways east while

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<v Speaker 1>doing it. Yeah, but yeah, dude, it is fucking sweet.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, mabe, I killed this fucking spider. My

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<v Speaker 1>dad's rambo knife, like yelled up to the kitchen.

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<v Speaker 3>You do the same thing your brother did with his

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<v Speaker 3>ceiling with that sword mashed potato.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so good.

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<v Speaker 1>My brother's so fucking dumb, Like he lived in an

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<v Speaker 1>apartment and I don't know what those ceilings are called.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know. It's like the bumpy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like the bumpy, like not styrofolm obviously can

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<v Speaker 1>scratch it. Well, He's wore a sword in his apartment

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<v Speaker 1>and like, get this deep gash, and he like covered

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<v Speaker 1>it up by putting mashed potato. Got it. I was like, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>that's clearly it might fit there right now, it's gonna

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so he just put it there ug. Yeah, yeah, dude,

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<v Speaker 3>he probably heard that in the dude, if you have

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<v Speaker 3>a fucking scratch his ceiling that potato. So alrighty. This

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<v Speaker 3>is from the wiki. Winger was born November twenty sixth,

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen sixty two, in Oleiria, Ohio, a residential suburb of Cleveland,

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<v Speaker 3>to Sally Fishman Fuck yeah yeah and Gerald Winger. Hell,

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<v Speaker 3>when we were playing D and d Ones, I think

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<v Speaker 3>this might be on one of the same crip podcasts.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't remember, but in rhyme The Frost Maiden, you

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<v Speaker 3>meet this halfling. His last name is is a fish Finger.

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<v Speaker 2>Fuck yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>We never made it past that because it was just

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<v Speaker 1>so many jokes about her finger and pussies here. So good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, all right. So he was raised Jewish alongside

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<v Speaker 1>an older brother and sister in Oliria and went on

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<v Speaker 1>to attend Oleyria High School, graduating in nineteen eighty one. Ash, wow, man, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>that the dude at Circle K who gets hit with

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<v Speaker 1>the twisted tea. I think that was in Alarria.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah it was.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he enrolled. In my head, these guys went to

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<v Speaker 3>school together.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>He enrolled in the Virginia Military Institute receiving a bachelor's

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<v Speaker 1>degree in physics in nineteen eighty five, after which he

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<v Speaker 1>was commissioned as a second lieutenant in the United States Army.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Following two years of service, one overseas in South Korea

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<v Speaker 1>and one back in the US and Georgia, Winger was

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<v Speaker 1>hired by a laboratory instrument manufacturing firm in Riviera Beach, Florida.

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<v Speaker 2>Would that would that any desert storm?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I don't know Wayne was in desert storm? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that. Yeah, I don't remember. So he

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<v Speaker 1>has killed people, he said, he he hasn't, but he

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<v Speaker 1>said the guy next to him did attitude desert storm

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<v Speaker 1>here dessert nineteen ninety ninety one. Okay, so yeah, that

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<v Speaker 1>was earlier there by Iraq's invasion of Kuwait.

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<v Speaker 2>So why was he in you said, Where'd you say

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<v Speaker 2>he was?

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<v Speaker 1>Where he was? I don't even remember South Korea? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>he was in South Korea in one back in US

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<v Speaker 1>and Georgia.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder what I didn't even know. I guess I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know enough about what that kind of shit. So hell, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like a smart dude. Got a bachelor's in physics,

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<v Speaker 1>A second lieutenant in the army working in a lab

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<v Speaker 1>in Florida. He's got a shit together, so he's got

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<v Speaker 1>a good career going. And then, of course our dude

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<v Speaker 1>would go on and get married. He sounds like a

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<v Speaker 1>real catch, so you know, he ain't staying single for long,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. And soon he would meet a woman

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<v Speaker 1>by the name of Donna Ellen Brown. Fuck yeah so.

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<v Speaker 1>Donna Brown born November two, nineteen sixty three. She was

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<v Speaker 1>born to Sarah Jane Dresher. Oh hell yeah, dude, Hell yeah, dude.

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<v Speaker 1>And the coolest name ever. Her dad's name, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>was Cash Brown. Hell yeah, yeah, dude.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow man.

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<v Speaker 1>Born in Hollywood, Florida.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, of course.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see a Mark and Donna wedd in nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 1>eight and settle down in their home at twenty three

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<v Speaker 1>zero five Westview Drive in Springfield, Illinois. We're gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>a few different quotes on there than meeting and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like that, So we will be repeating some of this

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<v Speaker 1>because there's a little bit of new info in each one. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's see, in late nineteen eighty seven or early nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty eight, Winger was set up on a blind date

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<v Speaker 1>with an operating room technician Donna Ellen Brown. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>see anything, yeah, dude, it was just then they go

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<v Speaker 1>this is I hate these but like I've never been

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<v Speaker 1>The couple were married on March fourth, nineteen eighty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>onto some of the medium dot com articles at a

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<v Speaker 1>medium pace, We're going to read you see that shampoo bottle?

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<v Speaker 1>to medium dot com articles on this. So Donna Brown,

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<v Speaker 1>growing up as the eldest of three daughters and a

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that's fucking sweet. Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I never met a Jewish kid, never new one in

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<v Speaker 1>school or growing up or any of that. Of that one,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, much like the glitterists, they were all we'll

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<v Speaker 3>It was the lady that pooped on her phone, and

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<v Speaker 3>we kept cracking joke saying like she only comes when

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<v Speaker 2>You never have to take here. Then it was so good.

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<v Speaker 1>So Donna developed a strong maternal instinct early in life.

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<v Speaker 1>Her mother, Sarah Jane, wasn't just a parent, but a

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<v Speaker 1>defined Donna's character nice. Those who knew Donna described her

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<v Speaker 1>as magnetic, a woman who lit up rooms fucking magnets, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>made strangers feel immediately comfortable and approach life with boundless enthusiasm.

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<v Speaker 2>And my little kid looks just like Sha.

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<v Speaker 1>My little shaggy little boys look just like Shaggy, and

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<v Speaker 1>my little boy looks just like Shaggy. Heat so hard.

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<v Speaker 1>We're never gonna get through this. U sorry, we are

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<v Speaker 1>getting this.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what we do man.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, she worked as an operating room technician, a

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<v Speaker 2>Nice.

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<v Speaker 1>At twenty four, her co worker Greg Winger thought she

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<v Speaker 1>would be perfect for his brother Mark and arrange a

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<v Speaker 2>Winger was a wing man.

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck yeah he was Mark Wingman. Dude was Greg Wingman.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm sorry. So Mark Winger appeared to be

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty big catch. He graduated from Virginia Military Institute

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<v Speaker 1>with a physics degree, served as a second lieutenant in

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<v Speaker 1>the US Army. He's working as a nuclear engineer.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh damn. So he said.

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<v Speaker 1>He was like quiet, intelligent but had a great sense

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<v Speaker 1>of humor. And their personalities complimented each other.

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<v Speaker 2>Perfectly, and so I'm sure that money did too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Shit. Within six months of that first date, he proposed,

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<v Speaker 1>and like we said, they would get married. They were

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<v Speaker 2>You.

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<v Speaker 3>Shortly after their wedding, uh, the Wingers moved to Springfield,

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<v Speaker 3>settling into a comfortable home in Westview Drive, a neighborhood

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<v Speaker 3>perfect for raising children. Mark worked as a nuclear engineer,

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<v Speaker 3>while Donna assisted a plastic surgeon at Springfield Memorial Center.

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<v Speaker 3>Nice for six years, they tried to conceive without success.

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<v Speaker 3>So he's just fucking blowing load after load, man, so

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<v Speaker 3>many loads. Yeah, dude, this was devastating for Donna, who

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<v Speaker 1>I can't hold any more loads loads in here. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the fucking too many loads.

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<v Speaker 3>He dropped so many loads and there He's like, do

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<v Speaker 3>I put the fucking dirty clothes in there too?

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<v Speaker 1>Just put all the load our own new business clothes washing.

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<v Speaker 1>They just use the load.

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<v Speaker 2>This is so good.

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<v Speaker 1>This was devastating for Donna, who had dreamed of motherhood

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<v Speaker 1>since childhood. Yeah, it's very sad. She wants to have

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<v Speaker 1>a child. But in December nineteen ninety four, an opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>arose when a doctor at Donna's place mentioned a pregnant teenager.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not gonna hear this, have great news. Yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah this, I mean, this is pregnant game.

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<v Speaker 1>And she's planning to put the baby up for adoption.

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<v Speaker 1>Becoming a mother is probably the best thing that ever

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<v Speaker 1>happened in Donna's life, is what one of her sisters

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<v Speaker 3>So it was like from like like as soon as

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<v Speaker 3>she delivered dates game, that's pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 1>The Wingers that it. She would appear to be the

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<v Speaker 1>ideal life. They had successful careers, a beautiful home, a

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<v Speaker 1>loving marriage, and now the child they had longed for.

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<v Speaker 1>So what could go wrong?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>This guy has everything. Yeah. Quote. When Donna Brown married

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Winger, it seemed like the beginning of a fairy tale.

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<v Speaker 1>Mark was a nuclear engineer making seventy two thousand a year,

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<v Speaker 1>which is She's like back that, Yeah, that's insane. In

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twe that's over one hundred and fifty thousand. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so I don't know what that is right now. And

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<v Speaker 1>Donna worked as an do you see elon is now

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<v Speaker 1>a yeah fucking sweet. Yeah, dude, I don't like the guy,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Know much about him.

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<v Speaker 3>Like it seems like he's done some good, but then

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<v Speaker 1>He's super lame. Like he's like like, I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>respect his work and everything, but like he thinks like

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<v Speaker 1>like he's like an old guy who thinks like saying

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know like he he like has said like I have

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<v Speaker 1>become meme like in the last few years.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, didn't he name his kid like ex Yes, kids

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<v Speaker 3>all got wild names.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The only thing that appeared to be missing was a family,

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<v Speaker 1>Like we said, they adopted a baby girl named Bailey

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<v Speaker 1>in June of nineteen ninety five. I saw this video

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<v Speaker 1>of Randy organ Or the like randi Or is just

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<v Speaker 1>living the best life possible. He doesn't like care about

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<v Speaker 1>pr or anything. No, And they always show him like

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<v Speaker 1>after a match or like he goes up to his

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<v Speaker 1>wife in front of the cameras and like always squeezes

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<v Speaker 1>hers and stuff. I'm like, hell, yeah, dude, he like

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<v Speaker 1>looking right at squeezing. Donna took their new daughter to

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<v Speaker 1>visit her mother and stepfather in Florida in August, and

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<v Speaker 1>upon returning to the Saint Louis Airport, she took a

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<v Speaker 1>shuttle to the Wingers home in Springfield, which is an

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<v Speaker 1>a young man named Roger Harrington. Okay, Roger Harrington, I

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<v Speaker 1>will let you decide, creep or a hashtag wild man.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna say both, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty seven year old Roger had been working for the

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<v Speaker 1>company for only six months. I didn't mean to say

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<v Speaker 1>it like fucking Patty Roger. Yeah, you fucking Doug. So

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<v Speaker 1>he's been working there for six months. During the ride

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<v Speaker 1>with Donna, she reported that he was speeding related started

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<v Speaker 1>talking about having an out of body experience while he

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<v Speaker 1>out of body experience right now.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just a taxi drive from the movie Ghos Dad Satan, Dude.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine you're in the car with your baby and your driver.

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<v Speaker 1>Fucking dude, I'm beating and saying I'm having that body.

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<v Speaker 2>Mind right now. You know that dude took some drugs.

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<v Speaker 1>He made Donna nervous and she immediately informed Mark of

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<v Speaker 1>what had transpired during the drive. Mark called the company

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<v Speaker 1>and made a complaint to Roger's boss, while Donna, at

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<v Speaker 1>Mark's insistence, wrote a letter detailing the incident. The company

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<v Speaker 1>responded by suspending Roger.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh God, all right, yeah, that's gonna get bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Another quote on the incident, Mark, nuclear engineer, and Donna,

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<v Speaker 1>an operating room technician, appeared to have it all looking

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<v Speaker 1>in They were a happy couple and we're commended. Members

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<v Speaker 1>of the community, friends labeled them as a perfect couple.

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<v Speaker 1>They want it to begin a family. Issues arose when

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<v Speaker 1>it was discovered that Donna could not bear a child,

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<v Speaker 1>But like we said, they adopted a baby girl, their daughter,

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<v Speaker 1>Bailey Elizabeth Winger, and life was becoming complete for the couple.

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<v Speaker 1>Donna's frequenting visits over the years of their family in Florida.

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<v Speaker 1>She would go visit them. However, after taking her daughter

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<v Speaker 1>Bailey with her for a week, when her plane landed

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<v Speaker 1>at Saint Louis International Airport August twenty third, nineteen ninety five,

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<v Speaker 1>she had that weird ride home in the shuttle. She

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<v Speaker 1>your driver, Roger Harrington we get a little bit more

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<v Speaker 1>about Roger here. Upon driving home, Donna sat down to

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<v Speaker 1>Roger disclosed that he often speaks to a godlike spirit

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<v Speaker 2>Hash.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, by the way, did I mention are you seeing

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<v Speaker 1>him as Steve Han?

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<v Speaker 2>Yah? Yeah, the whole time.

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<v Speaker 3>Which he made a movie where he like drives people

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<v Speaker 3>around and kills him rightly. Yeah, I can't remember what

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<v Speaker 1>Uh. He drove at erratic speeds and spoke of experiencing

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<v Speaker 1>out of body moments and visions of homicides. Right now,

427
00:22:18.799 --> 00:22:23.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm seeing visions of homicides. Imagine her driver telling you

428
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<v Speaker 1>just let me out. In an interview, Mark stated that

429
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<v Speaker 1>quote he said things about killing people, setting car bombs

430
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<v Speaker 1>and mutilating people. M m.

431
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<v Speaker 2>And they told on this guy and he knows where

432
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<v Speaker 2>they live.

433
00:22:35.160 --> 00:22:37.680
<v Speaker 1>Uneasy with the situation, Mark fall to complain with the

434
00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:41.359
<v Speaker 1>Shuttle fan company. He was at a rate over the situation. Uh,

435
00:22:41.480 --> 00:22:47.319
<v Speaker 1>Like we said, the manager placed Roger Harrington on a suspension. Okay,

436
00:22:48.599 --> 00:22:54.200
<v Speaker 1>so uh yeah, So the wingers complained to Harrington Harrington's employer,

437
00:22:54.640 --> 00:22:58.119
<v Speaker 1>saying that Harrington gave Donn a hard time during the ride. Uh,

438
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<v Speaker 1>he was also talking about getting high, and he was

439
00:23:00.559 --> 00:23:01.880
<v Speaker 1>talking about all these orgies.

440
00:23:01.880 --> 00:23:05.880
<v Speaker 2>He's been fucked. Yeah, like, I know it's gonna.

441
00:23:05.640 --> 00:23:08.920
<v Speaker 1>Get bad, but right now he's Ashig Walman. Six days later,

442
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<v Speaker 1>Mark Winger calls nine to one one saying that he

443
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<v Speaker 1>had shot Harrington to death. Oh okay, after Harrington killed

444
00:23:20.039 --> 00:23:21.880
<v Speaker 1>Donna with a hammer in their home.

445
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<v Speaker 2>Goddamn it.

446
00:23:22.599 --> 00:23:24.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh that comes out of now. I was hoping that

447
00:23:24.519 --> 00:23:27.319
<v Speaker 1>she wouldn't get killed. I figured it was coming. But yeah,

448
00:23:27.400 --> 00:23:29.480
<v Speaker 1>it's like, you gotta get here. I shot. He doesn't

449
00:23:29.519 --> 00:23:32.480
<v Speaker 1>say Harrington. He says, I shot somebody. I killed somebody.

450
00:23:34.160 --> 00:23:37.200
<v Speaker 1>They beat my they were attacking my wife with a hammer.

451
00:23:37.240 --> 00:23:40.039
<v Speaker 1>I shot and killed him. Yeah. The police initially believe

452
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<v Speaker 1>that Harrington had broken into the Wingers home and murdered

453
00:23:42.559 --> 00:23:47.880
<v Speaker 1>Donna in retaliation for their complaint to Harrington's employer. Yeah,

454
00:23:49.039 --> 00:23:51.680
<v Speaker 1>so yeah, they don't know anything about this yet. It's

455
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<v Speaker 1>very unusual, like, well, how the fuck did he get here?

456
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<v Speaker 1>Why did he break in? Yeah? In August, when Bailey

457
00:24:00.759 --> 00:24:04.079
<v Speaker 1>was just three months old, this is when Mark traveled

458
00:24:04.079 --> 00:24:06.640
<v Speaker 1>to Tennessee for war conference, and this is when Donna

459
00:24:06.920 --> 00:24:10.240
<v Speaker 1>was visiting her family. So during that incident, Bailey's only

460
00:24:10.279 --> 00:24:16.000
<v Speaker 1>three months old. Yeah. More about Roger. They said he

461
00:24:16.079 --> 00:24:18.759
<v Speaker 1>kept talking about killing people, setting car bombs. He drove

462
00:24:18.920 --> 00:24:21.920
<v Speaker 1>radically and he would speed up like crazy. Claimed a

463
00:24:21.920 --> 00:24:24.880
<v Speaker 1>godlike character would pull him out of his body while driving.

464
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<v Speaker 2>Hats.

465
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. He invited Donna to attend wild sex party. Yeah, dude,

466
00:24:32.079 --> 00:24:34.440
<v Speaker 1>and he said, like voices were telling him to hurt people.

467
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<v Speaker 3>I know, it's too easy for him to be the

468
00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:40.440
<v Speaker 3>one just to break in and kill her, so like

469
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<v Speaker 3>like for this show, I guarantee that's too easy. Yeah,

470
00:24:44.640 --> 00:24:46.960
<v Speaker 3>but it seems like, yeah, he was just gonna do that.

471
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<v Speaker 1>So when Donna gets home, she was like really unsettled

472
00:24:50.680 --> 00:24:53.000
<v Speaker 1>by all this. She called her sisters to tell him

473
00:24:53.039 --> 00:24:57.799
<v Speaker 1>about it. She called her best friend Diane Schultz and

474
00:24:57.839 --> 00:24:59.759
<v Speaker 1>of course her husband Mark to tell them about the

475
00:24:59.759 --> 00:25:01.480
<v Speaker 1>dis being experienced.

476
00:25:01.680 --> 00:25:03.680
<v Speaker 3>Who's the one that did the fuck? Is it the

477
00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:06.559
<v Speaker 3>mummts with the muppets? I mean, was it somebody something Schultz?

478
00:25:06.920 --> 00:25:10.359
<v Speaker 1>H Jim Henson? Who did something? Charles Schultz?

479
00:25:10.440 --> 00:25:11.839
<v Speaker 2>Is that one? Yeah? Who did that?

480
00:25:12.359 --> 00:25:12.960
<v Speaker 1>Charlie Brown?

481
00:25:13.039 --> 00:25:14.839
<v Speaker 2>Oh maybe was Charlie Brown. Maybe that's what it is.

482
00:25:14.880 --> 00:25:16.359
<v Speaker 3>I know there was a Schultz like that did one

483
00:25:16.359 --> 00:25:18.920
<v Speaker 3>of like the older cartoons. So when she gets home,

484
00:25:19.240 --> 00:25:22.079
<v Speaker 3>Mark's not there. So she gets home and that's why

485
00:25:22.160 --> 00:25:25.160
<v Speaker 3>she calls her sisters, her best friend, and Mark tells

486
00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:27.920
<v Speaker 3>them all about this. And then that's when Mark is like, well,

487
00:25:27.960 --> 00:25:30.400
<v Speaker 3>document all this. We're going to file a police report.

488
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<v Speaker 3>So they file an actual report about this guy.

489
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. In the days that followed, the Wingers reportedly received

490
00:25:37.559 --> 00:25:40.960
<v Speaker 1>strange phone calls. Someone would breathe into the phone and

491
00:25:40.960 --> 00:25:43.640
<v Speaker 1>then hang up, fuck you. Mark filed a complaint with

492
00:25:43.680 --> 00:25:48.240
<v Speaker 1>the transportation company, which led to Rogers suspension. August twenty ninth,

493
00:25:48.279 --> 00:25:52.440
<v Speaker 1>police and paramedics that's when they're called to the Wingers home. Donna,

494
00:25:52.640 --> 00:25:55.160
<v Speaker 1>thirty one years old, lay on the dining room floor

495
00:25:55.160 --> 00:25:58.400
<v Speaker 1>on her stomach. A pool of blood spread out beneath her.

496
00:25:58.559 --> 00:26:02.359
<v Speaker 1>Blood spatter Mark's color, the furniture and a nearby wall

497
00:26:02.480 --> 00:26:04.359
<v Speaker 1>and the ceiling was like covered in blood.

498
00:26:04.480 --> 00:26:04.759
<v Speaker 2>Damn.

499
00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:08.880
<v Speaker 1>She had been beaten about like someone took a weapon.

500
00:26:10.039 --> 00:26:12.079
<v Speaker 1>It was a hammer and like beat in the back

501
00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:16.400
<v Speaker 1>for head and she's fucking brutal but everywhere. So here's

502
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<v Speaker 1>some details on the crime scene. August twenty ninth, nineteen

503
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<v Speaker 1>ninety five, at approximately four point thirty pm, That is

504
00:26:23.359 --> 00:26:26.839
<v Speaker 1>when emergency services receive a frantic nine one one call

505
00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:30.160
<v Speaker 1>from Mark Winger quote, I just shot this man in

506
00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:33.839
<v Speaker 1>my house. He was killing my wife. Please, my baby's crying.

507
00:26:34.519 --> 00:26:35.119
<v Speaker 1>I gotta go.

508
00:26:35.319 --> 00:26:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that isn't.

509
00:26:36.880 --> 00:26:39.079
<v Speaker 3>When police arrived at the Winger residence, they found a

510
00:26:39.359 --> 00:26:42.599
<v Speaker 3>horrific scene. Like we said, she's face down, brutally bludgeon

511
00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:45.839
<v Speaker 3>with a hammer. Roger Harrington is there. He's on his

512
00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:51.759
<v Speaker 3>back nearby with two gunshot wounds to the head. Jaquem's calling.

513
00:26:52.039 --> 00:26:55.240
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, bro, it's not the patre These people don't get

514
00:26:55.240 --> 00:26:57.079
<v Speaker 1>that for free. Oh yeah, that's right. If it was

515
00:26:57.079 --> 00:27:01.119
<v Speaker 1>the Patreon and Jaquem calls, we would be answered. Lately,

516
00:27:01.160 --> 00:27:04.000
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't the last two weeks, I would not be in.

517
00:27:04.119 --> 00:27:05.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you've been hating them a lot lately.

518
00:27:05.599 --> 00:27:10.920
<v Speaker 1>He's been fucking unbearable, dude. Sorry, so, uh yeah, Roger

519
00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:14.160
<v Speaker 1>Harrington is on his back, he's got two gunshot wounds

520
00:27:14.200 --> 00:27:18.119
<v Speaker 1>of the head. Bailey three months old, unattended on the

521
00:27:18.119 --> 00:27:21.039
<v Speaker 1>bed in the primary bedroom. Not in the same room though,

522
00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:24.960
<v Speaker 1>right correct, in the same room. There's a hammer on

523
00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:27.440
<v Speaker 1>the ground, so it was the apparent murder weapon. Mark

524
00:27:27.480 --> 00:27:30.920
<v Speaker 1>Winger is distraught, but he's unharmed. Mark told police he'd

525
00:27:30.920 --> 00:27:33.039
<v Speaker 1>been working out in the basement. Of course he was

526
00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:39.920
<v Speaker 1>fucking when he heard a thump upstairs, because Mark, you

527
00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:44.279
<v Speaker 1>know this fucker is fucking jacked. He's not at all.

528
00:27:44.359 --> 00:27:44.839
<v Speaker 1>Let me fuck.

529
00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:46.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was down there jacking it.

530
00:27:46.759 --> 00:27:49.279
<v Speaker 1>The girl I was working I was working out.

531
00:27:49.559 --> 00:27:52.039
<v Speaker 2>It's just a comedy Central girl has gone wild. Commercial.

532
00:27:53.200 --> 00:27:59.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, girls going Yeah, here's what he looks like. Oh

533
00:27:59.599 --> 00:28:00.640
<v Speaker 3>my god, he kind of looked.

534
00:28:00.759 --> 00:28:02.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he's a fucking engineer.

535
00:28:02.319 --> 00:28:03.960
<v Speaker 2>He should have stayed in the basement.

536
00:28:05.319 --> 00:28:09.960
<v Speaker 1>Is it okay to come out now there? Yeah?

537
00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:12.960
<v Speaker 2>Did you just kill her? I won't say.

538
00:28:13.400 --> 00:28:14.559
<v Speaker 1>I won't say anything.

539
00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:14.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

540
00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:17.759
<v Speaker 1>Can you throw some snacks down the base?

541
00:28:18.039 --> 00:28:18.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

542
00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:19.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm hungry.

543
00:28:19.400 --> 00:28:21.160
<v Speaker 3>If he was working out, it was down there with

544
00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:27.440
<v Speaker 3>a fucking shake way doing anything shake wait, dude washing

545
00:28:27.519 --> 00:28:28.680
<v Speaker 3>American Gladiator.

546
00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:32.839
<v Speaker 1>I could do that. I could easily do that.

547
00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:38.920
<v Speaker 3>He was practicing for fucking Revenge of the Nerds on Broadway.

548
00:28:39.640 --> 00:28:42.279
<v Speaker 1>So he said, he said, he's working out in the basement.

549
00:28:42.599 --> 00:28:44.680
<v Speaker 1>Before he called the police, he put a couple more

550
00:28:44.720 --> 00:28:49.359
<v Speaker 1>plates on the bar. I was down here working out.

551
00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:51.640
<v Speaker 2>I was down there working out the just arrest.

552
00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:59.559
<v Speaker 3>Clearly three plates. He made the baby put those on there.

553
00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:03.000
<v Speaker 1>So he said he heard a thump upstairs, and he

554
00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:06.279
<v Speaker 1>was concerned that maybe Donna had fallen, So he goes

555
00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:09.160
<v Speaker 1>up to check. He finds Bailey alone in the bed,

556
00:29:09.319 --> 00:29:12.680
<v Speaker 1>something that Donna would never allow. He then heard a

557
00:29:12.680 --> 00:29:15.920
<v Speaker 1>commotion coming from the dining room, so he grabs his

558
00:29:16.039 --> 00:29:18.640
<v Speaker 1>gun and he discovered a man who would later be

559
00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:22.920
<v Speaker 1>identified as Roger Harrington, and he's savagely attacking Donna with

560
00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:25.920
<v Speaker 1>a hammer. According to Mark, he shot the intruder in

561
00:29:25.960 --> 00:29:28.839
<v Speaker 1>the head and when Mark or and when Roger tried

562
00:29:28.839 --> 00:29:32.079
<v Speaker 1>to get back up, Mark shot him a second time. Bullshit,

563
00:29:32.680 --> 00:29:37.559
<v Speaker 1>So that's what he says, and like he's not Jason Moore's.

564
00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:39.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's shot him in the head. He got back

565
00:29:39.799 --> 00:29:40.880
<v Speaker 3>up and had to shoot him again.

566
00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:42.519
<v Speaker 2>Shot I shot him six times.

567
00:29:42.680 --> 00:29:50.599
<v Speaker 1>Just so here's the evidence of the scene, okay, which

568
00:29:50.680 --> 00:29:52.759
<v Speaker 1>kind of are like okay, well, because Mark is like

569
00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:55.599
<v Speaker 1>there's a point where Mark asks, He's like, is it

570
00:29:55.640 --> 00:29:59.000
<v Speaker 1>like the intruder is his name Roger? And that's when

571
00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:02.559
<v Speaker 1>they're like the like, yeah that this is Roger Harrington

572
00:30:03.039 --> 00:30:04.759
<v Speaker 1>and he says, oh my god, that's the man who's

573
00:30:04.799 --> 00:30:07.960
<v Speaker 1>been harassing my wife this week because he doesn't know

574
00:30:07.960 --> 00:30:11.599
<v Speaker 1>what he looks like. Yeah. So, but here's the evidence

575
00:30:11.599 --> 00:30:16.559
<v Speaker 1>of the scene. Cigarettes and a coffee mug on the

576
00:30:16.640 --> 00:30:18.599
<v Speaker 1>kitchen table that belonged to Roger.

577
00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:21.160
<v Speaker 2>Fuck why would have a why do you bring coffee?

578
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:26.119
<v Speaker 1>Donna's letter describing the disturbing shuttle ride was in the home,

579
00:30:28.079 --> 00:30:32.839
<v Speaker 1>Roger's car was parked outside. Inside Roger's car, police found

580
00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:36.119
<v Speaker 1>a knife, a tire iron wrapped to the electrical tape,

581
00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:38.759
<v Speaker 1>and a note with Mark's name address in the time

582
00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:39.799
<v Speaker 1>for thirty pm.

583
00:30:40.240 --> 00:30:40.559
<v Speaker 2>Fuck y.

584
00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:45.039
<v Speaker 1>Detective Charlie Cox, one of the first responders, recognized Roger

585
00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:48.000
<v Speaker 1>as one of his tenants at a trailer park he owned.

586
00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:51.119
<v Speaker 1>He's like, oh shit, I help this guy. I know

587
00:30:51.160 --> 00:30:55.440
<v Speaker 1>this fuck it is. Cox knew Roger had a history

588
00:30:55.480 --> 00:31:01.279
<v Speaker 1>of psychiatric issues and domestic disputes. Okay, all they all this, Yeah,

589
00:31:01.519 --> 00:31:03.720
<v Speaker 1>it's only a matter of time. I guarantee he probably

590
00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:06.400
<v Speaker 1>said something like that, only matter of time before he

591
00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:13.799
<v Speaker 1>off some bitch. Goddamn, that's my wife. He did it close.

592
00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:17.440
<v Speaker 1>So the case seemed pretty straightforward. It disturbed man had

593
00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:20.319
<v Speaker 1>stalked and murdered a woman, only to be shot by

594
00:31:20.359 --> 00:31:24.599
<v Speaker 1>her heroic husband in self defense. So everyone's fucking sucking

595
00:31:24.680 --> 00:31:26.240
<v Speaker 1>Mark to dick right now. They're like, dude, you're a

596
00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:31.359
<v Speaker 1>fucking hero. Within forty eight hours, the case is closed.

597
00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:34.480
<v Speaker 1>Mark wingers Hail is a hero who tried to save

598
00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:38.759
<v Speaker 1>his wife's life. Hell yeah, So it turns out though

599
00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:42.960
<v Speaker 1>Roger wasn't as cool as we all thought. I never

600
00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:46.119
<v Speaker 1>thought he was cause here's another quote. On the night

601
00:31:46.160 --> 00:31:50.799
<v Speaker 1>of the attack. Some days later, this is after the

602
00:31:50.839 --> 00:31:54.279
<v Speaker 1>bus incident or the shuttle right incident, we are called

603
00:31:54.319 --> 00:31:57.519
<v Speaker 1>nine to one reported having shot Harrington to death not

604
00:31:57.680 --> 00:32:01.920
<v Speaker 1>knowing who he was. Yeah, upon catching him bludgeoning his

605
00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:05.079
<v Speaker 1>wife Donna the death of a hammer. The case was

606
00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:09.160
<v Speaker 1>declared closed at first, but on closer examination it was

607
00:32:09.160 --> 00:32:12.200
<v Speaker 1>discovered that the husband appeared as the only possible culprit,

608
00:32:12.200 --> 00:32:14.599
<v Speaker 1>and that he had killed Harrington before he murdered his

609
00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:18.119
<v Speaker 1>wife after alluring him to the house. Yeah, something's not added.

610
00:32:18.440 --> 00:32:21.240
<v Speaker 1>There's a huge clue there because it had his name

611
00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:23.920
<v Speaker 1>and not hers. He's like, oh okay. They start to think, like,

612
00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:26.799
<v Speaker 1>after a while, I mean, it takes like years, so

613
00:32:26.880 --> 00:32:29.839
<v Speaker 1>we'll get there. But they're like, why would a fucking

614
00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:31.359
<v Speaker 1>murder bring his own coffee?

615
00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:31.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

616
00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:34.000
<v Speaker 1>Did you bring his own coffee? He left a note

617
00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:36.079
<v Speaker 1>with his name, right, if he had all that stuff

618
00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:39.160
<v Speaker 1>in his car, why would he use I'm I can't remember,

619
00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:41.319
<v Speaker 1>but I think that hammer might have been marks.

620
00:32:41.559 --> 00:32:43.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so the.

621
00:32:43.359 --> 00:32:45.119
<v Speaker 3>Note had his name on it though that was in

622
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:47.599
<v Speaker 3>his car, right, Yes, why would it have his name?

623
00:32:47.599 --> 00:32:49.680
<v Speaker 1>It would have had hers. He doesn't know where her

624
00:32:49.759 --> 00:32:52.599
<v Speaker 1>husband is, Yeah, there is. We will find out more

625
00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:53.440
<v Speaker 1>about that note.

626
00:32:53.559 --> 00:32:53.839
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

627
00:32:55.720 --> 00:32:58.480
<v Speaker 1>Police initially suspected that Harrington, who did have a history

628
00:32:58.519 --> 00:33:02.279
<v Speaker 1>of mental problems, had given Donna Winger a harrowing ride

629
00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:04.359
<v Speaker 1>home from the Saint Louis Airport and scared her and

630
00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:07.200
<v Speaker 1>their child, and she was three months old, like we said,

631
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:10.519
<v Speaker 1>to the point where she told her husband about the incident,

632
00:33:11.039 --> 00:33:13.599
<v Speaker 1>which was several days before her death, and that Harrington,

633
00:33:13.640 --> 00:33:16.480
<v Speaker 1>who was having trouble with his own wife at the time,

634
00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:18.880
<v Speaker 1>had broken in the house and beat her to death

635
00:33:18.880 --> 00:33:21.279
<v Speaker 1>with a hammer, which, honestly, that all makes sense.

636
00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:24.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it does, Like that's what I thought was coming. Yeah,

637
00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:26.279
<v Speaker 3>But then like I was like, fuck, that's too easy

638
00:33:26.319 --> 00:33:28.119
<v Speaker 3>for like, we wouldn't get a full episode out of that.

639
00:33:28.599 --> 00:33:30.000
<v Speaker 2>I was like, yeah, there's definitely more.

640
00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:33.079
<v Speaker 1>It makes a perfect sense. This dude with mental health

641
00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:36.440
<v Speaker 1>problems and violence had given this woman a ride home.

642
00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:39.960
<v Speaker 1>Her and her husband complained about him. He loses his job,

643
00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:43.519
<v Speaker 1>he's already having issues. Yeah yeah, he snaps like it

644
00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:46.400
<v Speaker 1>fits the police check. That makes my harp per sent

645
00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:49.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh for sure, Yeah, yeah, sense, let's close the case.

646
00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:54.759
<v Speaker 1>Springfield Police Detective Doug Williamson, the interviewing detective in Wingers

647
00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:58.640
<v Speaker 1>initial questioning, was at first persuaded of Wingers innocence, but

648
00:33:58.720 --> 00:34:02.440
<v Speaker 1>his partner, Detective Charlie Cox, oh hell yeah. He said

649
00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:06.799
<v Speaker 1>that he became suspicious why because Winger kept showing up

650
00:34:06.799 --> 00:34:11.719
<v Speaker 1>at the police station. Hashtag wallman dude. It reportedly had

651
00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:15.760
<v Speaker 1>begun a few months after the murders occurred. Remember it

652
00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:19.079
<v Speaker 1>took two days to close the case. Months later he

653
00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:22.639
<v Speaker 1>be showing up asking questions. So he first came by

654
00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:25.360
<v Speaker 1>to get his gun because they took it for evidence.

655
00:34:26.159 --> 00:34:29.440
<v Speaker 1>So he starts showing up like months later asking him.

656
00:34:29.960 --> 00:34:32.800
<v Speaker 1>The two detectives and again have serious thoughts that Winger

657
00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:35.559
<v Speaker 1>had possibly committed the murders. All he had to do

658
00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:38.239
<v Speaker 1>was not ask questions. Yeah, he would have gotten away

659
00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:38.760
<v Speaker 1>with all this.

660
00:34:38.760 --> 00:34:42.400
<v Speaker 3>Perfect because spoiler alert turns out marked it obvious, which

661
00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:45.639
<v Speaker 3>I mean Charlie because Charlie Cox was blind, right, So

662
00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:46.920
<v Speaker 3>Charlie Cox, it's just.

663
00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:49.079
<v Speaker 2>A dared old joke. He plays.

664
00:34:51.159 --> 00:34:55.559
<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's fun. The detective Cox recalls quote, I released

665
00:34:55.559 --> 00:34:58.000
<v Speaker 1>the gun back to Mark and we sat and talked

666
00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:00.239
<v Speaker 1>for about a half hour. He was one, I need

667
00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:02.639
<v Speaker 1>to know how the case was going. As far as

668
00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:04.719
<v Speaker 1>I was concerned, he should have just accepted that it

669
00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:08.119
<v Speaker 1>was closed. Yeah. They closed it within like two days. Yeah, yeah,

670
00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:09.159
<v Speaker 1>so I was the case going.

671
00:35:09.079 --> 00:35:10.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like the one that's wind closed.

672
00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:13.519
<v Speaker 1>I mean you said that that guy broke into your

673
00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:15.480
<v Speaker 1>house and killed your wife and then you killed him

674
00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:16.119
<v Speaker 1>and self defense.

675
00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:17.840
<v Speaker 3>He shows up, He's like, have you looked into the

676
00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:21.320
<v Speaker 3>husband like that that's you. He's like yeah.

677
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:24.440
<v Speaker 1>Although Winger would deny it, Cox also remembered him dropping

678
00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:27.960
<v Speaker 1>by a second time to say that he was getting remarried.

679
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:30.920
<v Speaker 2>He went to the police station to say that.

680
00:35:31.119 --> 00:35:34.519
<v Speaker 1>He's like, by the way, I'm marrying my daughter's new nanny.

681
00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:35.880
<v Speaker 2>Dude hashtag wall Man.

682
00:35:35.800 --> 00:35:38.639
<v Speaker 1>Whom he had just hired five months after Donna died

683
00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:39.480
<v Speaker 1>hashtag wall.

684
00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:42.400
<v Speaker 3>He's like, oh, by the way, I also took out

685
00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:45.719
<v Speaker 3>this huge life insurance like the day before she died.

686
00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:47.760
<v Speaker 1>By the way, hey, look out that window. You see

687
00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:49.960
<v Speaker 1>that's my car right there. You see that young, hot

688
00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:53.360
<v Speaker 1>piece of ass. That's my daughter's nanny. And I'm married

689
00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:53.639
<v Speaker 1>for that.

690
00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:54.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

691
00:35:54.320 --> 00:35:56.800
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, he's like, while we're at it, here's some

692
00:35:56.840 --> 00:35:58.800
<v Speaker 3>of my DNA if you want to check the s

693
00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:02.840
<v Speaker 3>that was anywhere the cop. Detective Cox says he kept

694
00:36:02.840 --> 00:36:04.760
<v Speaker 3>coming in. I kept feeling like he was trying to

695
00:36:04.760 --> 00:36:07.639
<v Speaker 3>find out if we were checking into anything. I went

696
00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:10.960
<v Speaker 3>back to Doug and says, something's wrong here a big time.

697
00:36:11.480 --> 00:36:15.039
<v Speaker 1>That's so funny because if he was just locked. Yeah.

698
00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:18.360
<v Speaker 1>Winger reportedly told the Springfield police detectives that he ran

699
00:36:18.440 --> 00:36:20.679
<v Speaker 1>up from the basement, grabbed a gun and shot Harrington

700
00:36:20.719 --> 00:36:24.159
<v Speaker 1>in defense after he saw him over his dead wife.

701
00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:28.480
<v Speaker 1>And they're like, yeah, like, shit is just not adding

702
00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:31.679
<v Speaker 1>up now, So that's weird. Some more on the crime scene.

703
00:36:31.760 --> 00:36:35.800
<v Speaker 1>August twenty ninth, nineteen ninety five, people were just returning

704
00:36:35.800 --> 00:36:37.800
<v Speaker 1>home from work to day Mark wing Are called nine

705
00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:39.840
<v Speaker 1>to one one to report that he'd shot a man

706
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:44.440
<v Speaker 1>who was killing his wife. When former Springfield police detective

707
00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:47.280
<v Speaker 1>Charlie Cox arrived at the Wingers home, he remember they

708
00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:51.280
<v Speaker 1>could see the victims from the front door. Donna was

709
00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:56.480
<v Speaker 1>clinging to life. Former Sangamon County Assistant State Attorney Steve

710
00:36:56.599 --> 00:37:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Weinhoff said she had been hit no less than seven

711
00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:03.320
<v Speaker 1>times in the head with a hammer, because she wasn't

712
00:37:03.360 --> 00:37:06.119
<v Speaker 1>even dead, like all the way dead yet. Geez, you

713
00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:09.159
<v Speaker 1>would think of he's hit her seven times. She's still alive, yeah,

714
00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:13.639
<v Speaker 1>fu yeah, yeah yeah. Uh. The second victim, a white man,

715
00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:16.760
<v Speaker 1>had suffered two gunshot wounds of the head, but still

716
00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:21.800
<v Speaker 1>had a pulse when the police arrived. He's still alive too, dude. Yeah,

717
00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:24.159
<v Speaker 1>they're both just barely a lot.

718
00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:27.119
<v Speaker 3>Dude if he would have survived, dude, yeah.

719
00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:29.480
<v Speaker 1>Cox says it was quite chaotic. I knew that they

720
00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:32.159
<v Speaker 1>were probably going to be transporting the victims soon, so

721
00:37:32.199 --> 00:37:35.079
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to try and get identification on the male subject.

722
00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:38.840
<v Speaker 1>Cox found the man's wallet and was able to identify

723
00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:42.639
<v Speaker 1>him as Roger Harrington. Police recovered a bloody hammer near

724
00:37:42.679 --> 00:37:45.679
<v Speaker 1>the two bodies and found Wingers forty five coliber semi

725
00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:50.039
<v Speaker 1>automatic handgun, a yellow mug, and a pack of cigarettes

726
00:37:50.079 --> 00:37:53.480
<v Speaker 1>on the same dining table. They also noticed that Harrington's

727
00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:56.519
<v Speaker 1>car had been parked against traffic facing the wrong direction,

728
00:37:58.159 --> 00:37:58.519
<v Speaker 1>So that.

729
00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:00.159
<v Speaker 3>Would make sense if he had just pulled up up

730
00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:02.360
<v Speaker 3>and do it, because they would have been parked the

731
00:38:02.440 --> 00:38:02.960
<v Speaker 3>right way.

732
00:38:03.639 --> 00:38:04.559
<v Speaker 2>He's been here a while.

733
00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:07.119
<v Speaker 3>Like also if he knew he was going to call

734
00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:09.119
<v Speaker 3>the cops because clearly he played this, Why wouldn't you

735
00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:10.400
<v Speaker 3>just get rid of the damn coffee cup?

736
00:38:11.800 --> 00:38:12.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Knew. Bug.

737
00:38:13.239 --> 00:38:15.679
<v Speaker 1>At the crime scene, Cox said Winger was very upset

738
00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:19.360
<v Speaker 1>and emotional, emotional, and he repeatedly asked who the man

739
00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:23.599
<v Speaker 1>was that he killed. Cox avoided identifying Harrington and tried

740
00:38:23.599 --> 00:38:26.239
<v Speaker 1>to calm Winger down where told police he was on

741
00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:29.280
<v Speaker 1>the treadmill in the basement when he heard noise upstairs.

742
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:34.480
<v Speaker 1>Former Springfield Police detective Jim Graham said Winger went to investigate,

743
00:38:34.840 --> 00:38:37.000
<v Speaker 1>first going to the master bedroom in the house, where

744
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:39.400
<v Speaker 1>he found Bailey on the bed. Then he heard more

745
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:41.679
<v Speaker 1>noises and he grabbed his handgun from the night stand

746
00:38:41.719 --> 00:38:45.400
<v Speaker 1>before heading into the dining room. But wouldn't he is

747
00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:48.800
<v Speaker 1>the dining room downstairs? Like did he go up another level?

748
00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:51.840
<v Speaker 1>I think if it's a three level house, like he

749
00:38:51.880 --> 00:38:54.840
<v Speaker 1>went up another level, says he was in the basement. Yeah,

750
00:38:54.840 --> 00:38:58.519
<v Speaker 1>he goes upstairs to the master bedroom.

751
00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:00.840
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so maybe it's just like a one floorhouse.

752
00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Uh. He said that he when he walked down the hallway,

753
00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:06.760
<v Speaker 1>he saw Harrington with a hammer swinging at his wife.

754
00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:09.800
<v Speaker 1>Winger said he shot Harrington. They immediately shot him a

755
00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:13.599
<v Speaker 1>second time after he began to sit up. As police

756
00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:16.039
<v Speaker 1>come to the scene, Winger asked police if the intruder's

757
00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:20.199
<v Speaker 1>name was Roger Guy his name Roger Cox confirmed that

758
00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:23.039
<v Speaker 1>it was Mark was shocked and said, oh my god,

759
00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:25.639
<v Speaker 1>that's the man who's been harassing my wife this week.

760
00:39:26.440 --> 00:39:28.679
<v Speaker 1>So the conclusion of the case was that the police

761
00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:31.360
<v Speaker 1>believed that Harrington broke into the Wingers home and murdered

762
00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:35.320
<v Speaker 1>Donna and retaliation for their complaint to their employer.

763
00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:38.800
<v Speaker 3>See, it almost seems like it would have looked less

764
00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:40.559
<v Speaker 3>like he was setting it up if he wouldn't have

765
00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:42.840
<v Speaker 3>said anything about who the guy was and just let

766
00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:43.719
<v Speaker 3>them figure it out.

767
00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:46.320
<v Speaker 1>If he just would have let this, like I said,

768
00:39:46.360 --> 00:39:48.679
<v Speaker 1>it was solved in two days. He could have just

769
00:39:48.760 --> 00:39:51.360
<v Speaker 1>let it play out and he'd be fine. Yeah, But

770
00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:52.360
<v Speaker 1>he's a fucking idiot.

771
00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:54.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like he it seemed like he was smart with

772
00:39:54.519 --> 00:39:59.039
<v Speaker 3>like book stuff like Joe, don't murder people.

773
00:39:59.320 --> 00:40:01.559
<v Speaker 1>By the way, Hey, I know my wife was murdered

774
00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:03.679
<v Speaker 1>like five months ago. Did you guys find the killer?

775
00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:04.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

776
00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:09.840
<v Speaker 1>Didn't you kill him? Yeah? Oh yeah. Harrington's family insisted

777
00:40:09.880 --> 00:40:12.239
<v Speaker 1>from the beginning that their son was harmless, which I

778
00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:14.480
<v Speaker 1>don't know about that. They already said that he had

779
00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:19.440
<v Speaker 1>some health mental health issues, and didn't they say he had,

780
00:40:19.639 --> 00:40:24.719
<v Speaker 1>uh something else? Didn't we mention something else? I can't

781
00:40:24.719 --> 00:40:27.559
<v Speaker 1>remember that he had trouble with or he he had

782
00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:29.760
<v Speaker 1>like an assault charge or something. I don't remember, don't

783
00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:31.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember. I thought I thought we did.

784
00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:36.039
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember hearing that, but maybe.

785
00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:37.719
<v Speaker 1>I thought we did. I can't remember now either.

786
00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:39.280
<v Speaker 2>So big.

787
00:40:40.719 --> 00:40:43.440
<v Speaker 1>His mom said, Uh, he was no trouble maker. He

788
00:40:43.480 --> 00:40:45.679
<v Speaker 1>was a good kid. He wouldn't even strike at anybody.

789
00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:48.159
<v Speaker 1>That's what his mother, Helen said. I don't think he

790
00:40:48.239 --> 00:40:50.920
<v Speaker 1>had hurt anybody, and I don't think he was crazy.

791
00:40:51.119 --> 00:40:53.440
<v Speaker 1>But the mom, like it's his mom, she's always gonna

792
00:40:53.480 --> 00:40:57.039
<v Speaker 1>say that. I thought we I thought we read something.

793
00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:01.199
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to fine, but I don't want to slow

794
00:41:01.239 --> 00:41:06.320
<v Speaker 1>this down. That's when we were talking about Michael Jackson. Yeah,

795
00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:08.679
<v Speaker 1>I thought we said something about him, like they like

796
00:41:08.679 --> 00:41:12.719
<v Speaker 1>because they recognized him. Yeah, right here, Cox knew Roger

797
00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:16.639
<v Speaker 1>had a history of psychiatric issues and domestic dispute. Oh Roger,

798
00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:19.880
<v Speaker 1>I thought you were talking about the husband. No, this

799
00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:24.239
<v Speaker 1>was Roger's mom. Okay, So of course his mom is

800
00:41:24.280 --> 00:41:26.599
<v Speaker 1>gonna say he ain't no trouble maker. He was a

801
00:41:26.639 --> 00:41:30.400
<v Speaker 1>good kid. He wouldn't even strike at anybody. She says,

802
00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:32.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't think he would hurt anybody, and I don't

803
00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:35.119
<v Speaker 1>think he was crazy, which maybe wasn't, but the police

804
00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:36.039
<v Speaker 1>are saying the opposite.

805
00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:37.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because he's hurt people.

806
00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:40.199
<v Speaker 1>Donna's mother spoke to twenty twenty about the evening that

807
00:41:40.280 --> 00:41:43.400
<v Speaker 1>the family received the news of their daughter's murder. This

808
00:41:43.480 --> 00:41:46.760
<v Speaker 1>is Donna's mother, She said, Well, it was four o'clock

809
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:52.119
<v Speaker 1>in the morning. I thought it was PM. And I said, Jenny,

810
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:55.079
<v Speaker 1>it's mom, something terrible has happened. Unless it just took

811
00:41:55.159 --> 00:41:57.519
<v Speaker 1>that long, because it happened at four thirty pm. Right,

812
00:41:58.400 --> 00:42:01.400
<v Speaker 1>Sarah Jane Dresser said out of her call to Levin,

813
00:42:01.559 --> 00:42:05.000
<v Speaker 1>So Levin is her sister. We sat there in my room,

814
00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:09.559
<v Speaker 1>just crying at the unimaginable loss. Yeah, that's fucking devastating news.

815
00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:10.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

816
00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:13.719
<v Speaker 1>After the brutal murder of his first wife, Mark Winger

817
00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:20.400
<v Speaker 1>moved on hashtag wown after blowing all those loads, He's

818
00:42:20.440 --> 00:42:22.280
<v Speaker 1>gotta drop his load somewhere.

819
00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:23.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah.

820
00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:25.320
<v Speaker 1>After all, he was seen as the hero who tried

821
00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:27.440
<v Speaker 1>to save her, so everyone wants to get some of

822
00:42:27.519 --> 00:42:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Mark's loads at this point, subsequently killing her supposed murder

823
00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:35.639
<v Speaker 1>with his handgun moments later. Police quickly concluded the nineteen

824
00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:38.280
<v Speaker 1>ninety five killing of Donna Winger was a tragic incident

825
00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:42.119
<v Speaker 1>committed at the hands of a seemingly mentally unwell driver

826
00:42:42.159 --> 00:42:44.800
<v Speaker 1>who had once driven her home from the airport. It

827
00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:48.159
<v Speaker 1>was an earth shattering tragedy for Donna's family, and Winger

828
00:42:48.199 --> 00:42:50.639
<v Speaker 1>went on to marry the beautiful young nanny that he'd

829
00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:53.360
<v Speaker 1>hire to carry to care for his and his late

830
00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:58.199
<v Speaker 1>wife's recently adopted newborn. He then had three more children

831
00:42:58.239 --> 00:43:01.440
<v Speaker 1>with her in the following years. Wow hashtag wild man. Yeah, Hey,

832
00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:02.360
<v Speaker 1>God have them ribs.

833
00:43:02.400 --> 00:43:06.199
<v Speaker 3>So he pretty much killed her right after they adopted

834
00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:09.400
<v Speaker 3>that kid. Then yeah, three months goddamn three months.

835
00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:12.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then he marries her fucking hot young nanny

836
00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:16.039
<v Speaker 1>and has three kids with her. Fuck yeahs so, and

837
00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:18.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say hashtag wild woman.

838
00:43:19.239 --> 00:43:20.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, fuck yeah.

839
00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:22.719
<v Speaker 3>But also like he could have just like, hey, this

840
00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:24.119
<v Speaker 3>is over, I don't want to be with you because

841
00:43:24.119 --> 00:43:26.199
<v Speaker 3>you can't have kids like it would It sucks much

842
00:43:26.280 --> 00:43:27.360
<v Speaker 3>better than murdering her.

843
00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:30.039
<v Speaker 1>Uh So, now we have a new lady to talk

844
00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:32.599
<v Speaker 1>about here, Rebecca Simic. I don't know if that's how

845
00:43:32.639 --> 00:43:34.599
<v Speaker 1>you say it or not. She was a young and

846
00:43:34.639 --> 00:43:36.960
<v Speaker 1>beautiful nanny with a heart of gold who wanted to

847
00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:41.960
<v Speaker 1>help the family. Donna's sister would say, I didn't want

848
00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:44.239
<v Speaker 1>to like Rebecca, but it was hard to not like

849
00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:47.159
<v Speaker 1>her seeing her with Bailey. There's really nothing bad we

850
00:43:47.159 --> 00:43:49.679
<v Speaker 1>could say about her. Everyone's like, yeah, dude, she's like

851
00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:53.400
<v Speaker 1>such a fucking nice lady, like a nice girl. And

852
00:43:53.599 --> 00:43:56.920
<v Speaker 1>uh yeah. She told twenty twenty she was blown away

853
00:43:57.000 --> 00:43:58.840
<v Speaker 1>by what the infant had been through in such a

854
00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:02.599
<v Speaker 1>short time. This is what the nanny saying. She just

855
00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:06.039
<v Speaker 1>lost two mothers by the time she was three months old. Yeah,

856
00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:08.360
<v Speaker 1>and she was so smiley. I wanted to get in

857
00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:11.000
<v Speaker 1>there and say I'm gonna help you, and I'm gonna

858
00:44:11.039 --> 00:44:13.920
<v Speaker 1>make this little girl's life better. That's what the nanny said.

859
00:44:14.119 --> 00:44:17.400
<v Speaker 1>She's like, man, she lost two moms in like three months.

860
00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:19.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, She's like, I married that fucking nerd. Yeah.

861
00:44:20.320 --> 00:44:22.679
<v Speaker 1>I mean I didn't want to fuck that nerd, but

862
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:25.199
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to take care of this baby, the kids.

863
00:44:26.280 --> 00:44:31.519
<v Speaker 1>As Rebecca adjusted to her new role, Donna's friend, Diane Schultz.

864
00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:34.119
<v Speaker 1>Do you remember we mentioned her earlier, which was Charles

865
00:44:34.119 --> 00:44:39.480
<v Speaker 1>Schultz for Charlie Brown too. Oh okay, yeah, uh, Dean

866
00:44:39.679 --> 00:44:41.920
<v Speaker 1>began to make her feel uncomfortable and seemed to be

867
00:44:41.960 --> 00:44:45.760
<v Speaker 1>pushing to stay involved in Bailey's life. When you live

868
00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:47.880
<v Speaker 1>with someone and you're taking care of a child together,

869
00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:50.719
<v Speaker 1>it's very easy to kind of play house. You're already

870
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:53.400
<v Speaker 1>putting those roles, which is what the nanny said. Yeah,

871
00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:55.320
<v Speaker 1>Mark made me feel like I was like an angel

872
00:44:55.400 --> 00:44:58.119
<v Speaker 1>sent to him from God or Donna, and it was

873
00:44:58.159 --> 00:45:01.559
<v Speaker 1>my purpose to make this family whole again. So Diane

874
00:45:01.559 --> 00:45:05.079
<v Speaker 1>Schultz was is Donna's friend, and I get it. She

875
00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:07.400
<v Speaker 1>doesn't want to see like she was friends with Donna.

876
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:09.000
<v Speaker 1>She's like, well, it's only been a few months and

877
00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:12.920
<v Speaker 1>he already moving someone in, like helping out, so I

878
00:45:12.920 --> 00:45:14.960
<v Speaker 1>can get why a friend would be defensive of that.

879
00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:20.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, his wife's name was Donna. Yeah, Okay, I don't

880
00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:20.639
<v Speaker 3>know why I forgot.

881
00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:25.400
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot there's Dane, let's see here. She says

882
00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:27.760
<v Speaker 1>she saw Winger as a hero in the family's tragic

883
00:45:27.800 --> 00:45:30.880
<v Speaker 1>story of Donna's murder, and that she believed he tried

884
00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:33.800
<v Speaker 1>his best to save her. She said Winger had told

885
00:45:33.840 --> 00:45:37.639
<v Speaker 1>her he wasn't able to have children, so uh. She

886
00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:39.800
<v Speaker 1>said she was very surprised when she found out she

887
00:45:39.880 --> 00:45:44.719
<v Speaker 1>was pregnant with this child only months after moving. Fuck yeah, well,

888
00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:49.320
<v Speaker 1>within a year of his wife being fucking murdered, he's

889
00:45:49.400 --> 00:45:53.400
<v Speaker 1>already he's got a new kid on the way. She said.

890
00:45:53.440 --> 00:45:56.440
<v Speaker 1>Obviously I wasn't careful. It's just kind of a shock, which,

891
00:45:56.440 --> 00:45:58.840
<v Speaker 1>you know what, saying like you, we don't need a

892
00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:01.480
<v Speaker 1>rubber I can't I can't have kids anyway. That's such

893
00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:08.639
<v Speaker 1>a hashtag wabbly Yeah kids, And she said Winger, on

894
00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:11.719
<v Speaker 1>the other hand, Uh, he was thrilled that we were

895
00:46:11.719 --> 00:46:14.679
<v Speaker 1>having kids. It felt like it was a victory to him.

896
00:46:14.840 --> 00:46:16.599
<v Speaker 1>Mark put pressure on me to marry him and have

897
00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:19.559
<v Speaker 1>children with Jesus Chris. She said that Winger, who was

898
00:46:19.639 --> 00:46:22.199
<v Speaker 1>Jewish when they met, even started going to church with her.

899
00:46:22.880 --> 00:46:24.679
<v Speaker 1>She said he told her they could raise a family

900
00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:27.199
<v Speaker 1>in a Christian home. He gave the way she must

901
00:46:27.239 --> 00:46:32.119
<v Speaker 1>have the fucking nicest. He's like, yeah, fuck being Jewish.

902
00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:34.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm giving that up so good. Gives up as religion

903
00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:35.199
<v Speaker 1>for it.

904
00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:38.760
<v Speaker 3>I hope she's hot. But then also like this guy, Yeah,

905
00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:39.519
<v Speaker 3>fuck this guy.

906
00:46:40.280 --> 00:46:42.519
<v Speaker 1>I would I would be honored to be your husband

907
00:46:42.760 --> 00:46:47.320
<v Speaker 1>and blessed if you were my wife. Wingers Rabbi Michael

908
00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:50.440
<v Speaker 1>dats Is like, come on. Man asked him about his

909
00:46:50.599 --> 00:46:54.599
<v Speaker 1>change in faith, and he says that Winger explained that

910
00:46:54.679 --> 00:47:00.320
<v Speaker 1>quote Judaism is just too difficult and unforgiving. Rabbi as

911
00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:03.639
<v Speaker 1>didn't understand, asking Mark, I don't know what you're talking about.

912
00:47:03.960 --> 00:47:06.599
<v Speaker 1>What do you need forgiveness for? And he said Winger

913
00:47:06.639 --> 00:47:10.039
<v Speaker 1>didn't respond hell yeah. And then the couple went to

914
00:47:10.119 --> 00:47:13.159
<v Speaker 1>Hawaii and got married. Hash, I don't have time to

915
00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:17.400
<v Speaker 1>talk to you. I'm getting pussy at Hawaii. I'm gonna

916
00:47:17.400 --> 00:47:18.760
<v Speaker 1>go to the police station and tell this in a

917
00:47:18.760 --> 00:47:23.280
<v Speaker 1>little bit. By the way, if you need to talk

918
00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:25.920
<v Speaker 1>to me about anything about I'll be in Hawaii getting pussy.

919
00:47:26.079 --> 00:47:26.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm right back.

920
00:47:26.639 --> 00:47:28.599
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you remember, my wife was murdered,

921
00:47:28.599 --> 00:47:29.519
<v Speaker 3>if you want to talk about it.

922
00:47:29.920 --> 00:47:33.400
<v Speaker 1>So, sixteen months after his wife's death, Winger told Sarah

923
00:47:33.440 --> 00:47:38.320
<v Speaker 1>Jane Dresser, which was Donna's mom, that he was going

924
00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:41.239
<v Speaker 1>to sell the house where Donna had died and he's

925
00:47:41.239 --> 00:47:44.239
<v Speaker 1>going to buy another one just outside of town, and

926
00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:46.880
<v Speaker 1>that he and Rebecca had started a family of their own.

927
00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:49.239
<v Speaker 2>And so is her parents like still in the kid's life?

928
00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:52.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? OK, but he's like, you know, I'm just gonna

929
00:47:52.599 --> 00:47:54.440
<v Speaker 1>be honest with you. It's been a month, it's been

930
00:47:54.480 --> 00:47:56.480
<v Speaker 1>a year and a half. Yeah, come on, I found

931
00:47:56.480 --> 00:47:59.920
<v Speaker 1>someone else. We're selling the house. Also, I'm cutting ties

932
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:04.320
<v Speaker 1>with your family. Wow.

933
00:48:04.360 --> 00:48:05.840
<v Speaker 2>Man, Yeah, he's like, hey, you want this kid?

934
00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:09.119
<v Speaker 1>Her mom said, I received a letter from Mark one

935
00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:12.320
<v Speaker 1>day saying to me, I could not be called grandma anymore.

936
00:48:13.400 --> 00:48:14.840
<v Speaker 2>So fucking what dick?

937
00:48:15.159 --> 00:48:18.280
<v Speaker 1>I wrote him back and I begged him, please let

938
00:48:18.400 --> 00:48:21.679
<v Speaker 1>her call me grandma, and he said, I'm sorry, There's

939
00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:23.719
<v Speaker 1>no way that I'm going to allow her to call

940
00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:27.280
<v Speaker 1>you grandma. And that's the way it is. What an asshole?

941
00:48:27.800 --> 00:48:29.239
<v Speaker 1>What a fucking.

942
00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:32.079
<v Speaker 3>Asshole really is like pretty much like, hey, look into me,

943
00:48:32.119 --> 00:48:33.119
<v Speaker 3>because I clearly.

944
00:48:32.880 --> 00:48:36.079
<v Speaker 1>Murdered my wife, and she said I mourned that loss

945
00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:38.559
<v Speaker 1>for a long time. Yeah, for her, that feels like

946
00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:42.719
<v Speaker 1>she lost her daughter and granddaughter, Bailey, who is now

947
00:48:42.760 --> 00:48:45.480
<v Speaker 1>twenty five years old. This is at the time of

948
00:48:45.480 --> 00:48:49.280
<v Speaker 1>this article, told twenty twenty that her grandmother and grandfather,

949
00:48:49.440 --> 00:48:52.199
<v Speaker 1>Ira Dresser, would send her birthday card to her every year.

950
00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:55.760
<v Speaker 1>I always remembered asking my mom, who's Sarah Jane and Ira?

951
00:48:56.840 --> 00:48:59.559
<v Speaker 1>She said, my mom would always explain, like, those are

952
00:48:59.599 --> 00:49:01.719
<v Speaker 1>Donna's parents, and they just want to let you know

953
00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:04.599
<v Speaker 1>that they love you and that they remember you. Dude,

954
00:49:05.320 --> 00:49:08.320
<v Speaker 1>this fucking nanny lady seems like the fucking nicest per. Yeah,

955
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:10.400
<v Speaker 1>so did she didn't they like tell her that her

956
00:49:10.400 --> 00:49:12.400
<v Speaker 1>mom got killed? Then I want her, I think so,

957
00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:16.320
<v Speaker 1>But she She's like like, yeah, your mom loved you

958
00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:22.000
<v Speaker 1>very much, and yeah, weirds like probably like fucking like

959
00:49:22.039 --> 00:49:25.840
<v Speaker 1>the Dursleys in the He's fu tossing it with the

960
00:49:25.880 --> 00:49:30.519
<v Speaker 1>fire and get back into the fucking closet. So it's

961
00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:33.320
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety nine or so now Winger has been moving

962
00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:36.000
<v Speaker 1>on just fine. He's trying to separate away from Donna's

963
00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:40.159
<v Speaker 1>family as well, and he's got a new lady. All right,

964
00:49:40.239 --> 00:49:44.480
<v Speaker 1>So nineteen ninety nine, three years after Donna's murder, and

965
00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:47.480
<v Speaker 1>then her best friend Deane Schultz, we've talked about her

966
00:49:47.480 --> 00:49:50.199
<v Speaker 1>a couple of times. She comes forward and says, all right,

967
00:49:50.239 --> 00:49:53.400
<v Speaker 1>I need to come clean. I've been, like, I've been

968
00:49:53.440 --> 00:49:58.400
<v Speaker 1>having an affair with Winger before before Donna was murdered.

969
00:49:58.800 --> 00:50:03.039
<v Speaker 1>Me and me and Winger were having an affairs. What

970
00:50:03.079 --> 00:50:10.400
<v Speaker 1>she said, you lie, that is not the only hot

971
00:50:10.440 --> 00:50:13.920
<v Speaker 1>piece of Winger was getting. I was also fucking Winger.

972
00:50:14.199 --> 00:50:16.400
<v Speaker 1>I hope they're like, yeah, but you're nowhere near as

973
00:50:16.440 --> 00:50:21.880
<v Speaker 1>hot bo. I hope they get sucking. So not a

974
00:50:21.880 --> 00:50:26.000
<v Speaker 1>good look for Winger. And like we also said, investigators

975
00:50:26.239 --> 00:50:28.760
<v Speaker 1>later became suspicious of Winger, not just because of this,

976
00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:31.000
<v Speaker 1>but because he kept coming in talking about the case.

977
00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:36.880
<v Speaker 1>That's after three years. Hey, anything anything new going on?

978
00:50:38.239 --> 00:50:41.679
<v Speaker 3>You haven't checked my uh my old property. Like I

979
00:50:41.719 --> 00:50:43.119
<v Speaker 3>buried a bunch of ship there. I just want to

980
00:50:43.159 --> 00:50:44.239
<v Speaker 3>make sure you haven't checked it.

981
00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:47.679
<v Speaker 1>At the time, Dan Schultz, she told police that Winger

982
00:50:47.719 --> 00:50:52.079
<v Speaker 1>had made several incriminating comments to her, including it would

983
00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:55.199
<v Speaker 1>be easier for us to be together if Donna just died.

984
00:50:55.440 --> 00:50:57.880
<v Speaker 1>Fu Yeah, dude, all you'd have to do is come

985
00:50:57.920 --> 00:51:00.880
<v Speaker 1>in and find the body. Schultz said she felt at

986
00:51:00.920 --> 00:51:02.880
<v Speaker 1>the time that the comments were just crazy talk.

987
00:51:03.280 --> 00:51:05.440
<v Speaker 2>That's her best friend, right, Yeah, yeah.

988
00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:09.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, dude. I bet he never said that after he nutted.

989
00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:14.920
<v Speaker 1>This is all pretty nut talk. He's like, he like

990
00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:18.199
<v Speaker 1>rolls over, he rolls off after nutting. He's like, fuck, dude,

991
00:51:18.199 --> 00:51:21.119
<v Speaker 1>I should have said that. I definitely don't feel that way.

992
00:51:21.239 --> 00:51:24.000
<v Speaker 1>You are three and a half years after the murders

993
00:51:24.039 --> 00:51:27.360
<v Speaker 1>of Donna Winger and Roger Harrington. This one Schultz came

994
00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:30.199
<v Speaker 1>forward to the police telling them about the affair that

995
00:51:30.519 --> 00:51:34.760
<v Speaker 1>she'd have with Winger. Mark was having a romantic relationship

996
00:51:34.800 --> 00:51:40.639
<v Speaker 1>with Dianne. Levin would say, we considered her like one

997
00:51:40.639 --> 00:51:43.559
<v Speaker 1>of our sisters, and that was something that we never

998
00:51:43.639 --> 00:51:48.199
<v Speaker 1>ever suspected. Schultz told police about the statements that he made.

999
00:51:48.880 --> 00:51:52.079
<v Speaker 1>Dean stated that she declined to participate in that, referring

1000
00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:55.480
<v Speaker 1>to potentially finding Donna's body because he was like, yeah,

1001
00:51:55.480 --> 00:51:57.639
<v Speaker 1>you would just have to come in and find the body. Yeah,

1002
00:51:57.760 --> 00:51:58.280
<v Speaker 1>and that's that.

1003
00:51:58.519 --> 00:52:00.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to do that, Wing, I want to

1004
00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:01.239
<v Speaker 2>do this's my friend.

1005
00:52:01.280 --> 00:52:03.599
<v Speaker 1>Well, let's just finish fucking real quick and see see

1006
00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:05.880
<v Speaker 1>how we feel. He just as soon as he knows,

1007
00:52:05.920 --> 00:52:08.519
<v Speaker 1>he's like, never mind, he just leaves. Actually, I don't

1008
00:52:08.519 --> 00:52:10.960
<v Speaker 1>want to do it. I'm going home. You know you're

1009
00:52:11.000 --> 00:52:13.360
<v Speaker 1>fuck it. I'll just find her after Mark work out

1010
00:52:13.360 --> 00:52:16.039
<v Speaker 1>in my basement. After Mark learned about the trip that

1011
00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:19.159
<v Speaker 1>Donna took with Roger Harrington, he told the end, I've

1012
00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:22.519
<v Speaker 1>got to get that driver in my house. Yeah, this

1013
00:52:22.559 --> 00:52:24.800
<v Speaker 1>is so fucked up. Like if you believe in like

1014
00:52:25.880 --> 00:52:29.599
<v Speaker 1>like God and stuff like that, you're like begging and

1015
00:52:29.639 --> 00:52:32.400
<v Speaker 1>praying for like, like, man, I gotta have some sort

1016
00:52:32.440 --> 00:52:34.679
<v Speaker 1>of reason to kill my wife and thank God, just

1017
00:52:36.159 --> 00:52:40.480
<v Speaker 1>give everything you needed. Is that insane?

1018
00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:41.280
<v Speaker 2>Dude?

1019
00:52:41.519 --> 00:52:43.360
<v Speaker 1>You're not gonna believe the guy who drove me home

1020
00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:46.559
<v Speaker 1>wanted to kill me and he's crazy, Thank you God.

1021
00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:51.920
<v Speaker 1>He probably prayed to God, like the Christian God Jewish,

1022
00:52:53.239 --> 00:52:57.800
<v Speaker 1>being Jewish, and help me get ship killing Jesus Yeah

1023
00:52:58.000 --> 00:53:02.159
<v Speaker 1>one Schultz Oh. After the murder, schultz life went into

1024
00:53:02.239 --> 00:53:05.400
<v Speaker 1>a downward spiral because she felt guilty as fuck for

1025
00:53:05.480 --> 00:53:09.400
<v Speaker 1>not saying yeah, as investigators claimed, she struggled to make

1026
00:53:09.480 --> 00:53:12.760
<v Speaker 1>sense of the information she knew. She revealed to investigators

1027
00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:15.039
<v Speaker 1>that she had attempted suicide. Several times.

1028
00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:17.800
<v Speaker 3>Why didn't she just tell them so? I don't know,

1029
00:53:18.440 --> 00:53:21.159
<v Speaker 3>it seemed like she actually cared about her But man,

1030
00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:22.239
<v Speaker 3>maybe she didn't.

1031
00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:25.000
<v Speaker 1>But it took her coming forward for the investigators to

1032
00:53:25.079 --> 00:53:29.559
<v Speaker 1>re examine the case. However, they're like, let's look at

1033
00:53:29.599 --> 00:53:32.400
<v Speaker 1>the evidence. We still got that evidence saved up, right, Yeah,

1034
00:53:32.440 --> 00:53:34.400
<v Speaker 1>let's take a look at it. And then they go,

1035
00:53:34.440 --> 00:53:36.599
<v Speaker 1>look at it. There is none. It's gone. Fuck. Yeah,

1036
00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:39.519
<v Speaker 1>we were using the bodies for a hat weight. Yeah,

1037
00:53:39.639 --> 00:53:42.639
<v Speaker 1>here's why the evidence is gone. The evidence they had

1038
00:53:42.639 --> 00:53:45.239
<v Speaker 1>once held from Harrington and Donald Winger's case had been

1039
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:47.039
<v Speaker 1>released to Wingers attorney.

1040
00:53:48.159 --> 00:53:48.360
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

1041
00:53:48.400 --> 00:53:50.000
<v Speaker 1>Man, that is a fucking baller move.

1042
00:53:50.239 --> 00:53:50.760
<v Speaker 2>Fuck it.

1043
00:53:50.760 --> 00:53:54.639
<v Speaker 1>It was working on a civil lawsuit against bart Transportation,

1044
00:53:54.800 --> 00:54:00.639
<v Speaker 1>which is where Harrington were that. I thought you were

1045
00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:08.119
<v Speaker 1>good Jewish anymore, dude. Winger filed the suit in an

1046
00:54:08.159 --> 00:54:11.000
<v Speaker 1>attempt to hold the company accountable for his wife's death

1047
00:54:11.159 --> 00:54:15.760
<v Speaker 1>he fucking did, resumably committed by Harrington, who was the

1048
00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:21.280
<v Speaker 1>company's employee at the time. Yeah, what a hashtag wile asshole.

1049
00:54:22.519 --> 00:54:25.800
<v Speaker 1>Police re examined certain aspects of the incidents, such as

1050
00:54:25.840 --> 00:54:28.320
<v Speaker 1>why there weren't signs of forced entry into the home

1051
00:54:28.679 --> 00:54:31.400
<v Speaker 1>and why Harrington might have left murder weapons in his

1052
00:54:31.519 --> 00:54:35.239
<v Speaker 1>car and used a hammer that belonged to the Wingers yea.

1053
00:54:36.239 --> 00:54:40.119
<v Speaker 1>And also why he fucking brought a coffee mug with that,

1054
00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:44.400
<v Speaker 1>and also why was the scat And they're like, hey,

1055
00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:47.360
<v Speaker 1>why was that hammer out anyways? And Mark's like, oh, yeah,

1056
00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:49.639
<v Speaker 1>he used my hammer. I left it out because I

1057
00:54:49.719 --> 00:54:53.400
<v Speaker 1>asked Donna to uh to hang up a hat.

1058
00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:53.840
<v Speaker 2>Rack for me.

1059
00:54:54.079 --> 00:54:58.239
<v Speaker 1>Dude, that's what he said, was your hammer? Oh, it

1060
00:54:58.320 --> 00:55:01.639
<v Speaker 1>was sitting out because I asked to nail a half.

1061
00:55:01.440 --> 00:55:03.159
<v Speaker 2>Racked to the wall, white and nail.

1062
00:55:03.360 --> 00:55:03.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1063
00:55:03.559 --> 00:55:08.760
<v Speaker 1>You watch. Well, I'm on the treadmill day. Why why

1064
00:55:08.760 --> 00:55:11.599
<v Speaker 1>can't you put one nail in the wall. All right, fine,

1065
00:55:11.639 --> 00:55:15.800
<v Speaker 1>I'll get I'll get the fucking Bailey to do it. Uh.

1066
00:55:16.039 --> 00:55:20.519
<v Speaker 1>Harrington's car had also been conspicuously conspicuously parked the wrong way,

1067
00:55:21.079 --> 00:55:23.480
<v Speaker 1>appearing to indicate Harrington did not try to hide that

1068
00:55:23.519 --> 00:55:27.199
<v Speaker 1>he was at the Wingers home. Detectives also discovered polaroid

1069
00:55:27.199 --> 00:55:29.760
<v Speaker 1>photos that had been taken of one of the officers

1070
00:55:29.840 --> 00:55:32.000
<v Speaker 1>or by one of the officers first to arrive on

1071
00:55:32.039 --> 00:55:35.360
<v Speaker 1>the scene that day in nineteen ninety five. The three

1072
00:55:35.360 --> 00:55:38.079
<v Speaker 1>photos revealed the position of the bodies before they were

1073
00:55:38.159 --> 00:55:40.840
<v Speaker 1>rushed to the hospital, and the images did not fit

1074
00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:44.599
<v Speaker 1>the story. Winger told, how did none of them notice that?

1075
00:55:44.639 --> 00:55:44.800
<v Speaker 2>Then?

1076
00:55:44.920 --> 00:55:48.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Quote? Mark Winger had stated that Roger Harrington was

1077
00:55:48.679 --> 00:55:51.199
<v Speaker 1>kneeling down next to Donna Winger's head and he was

1078
00:55:51.280 --> 00:55:54.440
<v Speaker 1>beating her with a hammer back. He stated that he

1079
00:55:54.559 --> 00:55:57.039
<v Speaker 1>shot him and that the man fell backwards so that

1080
00:55:57.079 --> 00:56:00.840
<v Speaker 1>his feet remained near Donna's head. In reality, the polaroid

1081
00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:04.360
<v Speaker 1>photograph showed the exact opposite, Like, how did no one

1082
00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:07.519
<v Speaker 1>notice that? Then? Yeah? Cox said, the photo show that

1083
00:56:07.519 --> 00:56:10.079
<v Speaker 1>Harrington and Donna Winger were lying in the same direction.

1084
00:56:10.880 --> 00:56:14.159
<v Speaker 1>Oh shit, yeah, as such, there's no way this murder

1085
00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:16.599
<v Speaker 1>could have happened the way Mark Winger described.

1086
00:56:16.920 --> 00:56:18.639
<v Speaker 3>So he was on his back, but in the same

1087
00:56:18.679 --> 00:56:20.119
<v Speaker 3>direction as her, like parallel.

1088
00:56:20.320 --> 00:56:20.760
<v Speaker 2>Got cha.

1089
00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:24.239
<v Speaker 1>Mark Winger had concluded that he wanted to kill his wife.

1090
00:56:24.320 --> 00:56:28.760
<v Speaker 1>That's what Weinhoff said, that fucking detective dude. Whatever. Then

1091
00:56:28.880 --> 00:56:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Roger Harrington happened to be the one who drove Donna Winger.

1092
00:56:32.760 --> 00:56:35.199
<v Speaker 1>Mark saw this as a golden opportunity, and he told

1093
00:56:35.239 --> 00:56:37.719
<v Speaker 1>dm that he needed to get that man into his house,

1094
00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:40.639
<v Speaker 1>and that's exactly what he did. Man I gotta get

1095
00:56:40.639 --> 00:56:42.320
<v Speaker 1>that crazy guy in house told.

1096
00:56:42.199 --> 00:56:44.199
<v Speaker 2>Her so she knew this whole time, like that he

1097
00:56:44.280 --> 00:56:45.239
<v Speaker 2>actually did. Okay.

1098
00:56:46.239 --> 00:56:48.639
<v Speaker 1>In December nineteen ninety nine, more than four years after

1099
00:56:48.639 --> 00:56:53.119
<v Speaker 1>the murders, the Springfield State Journal Register ran an article

1100
00:56:53.119 --> 00:56:55.920
<v Speaker 1>based on allegations in the civil lawsuit that Winger had

1101
00:56:56.000 --> 00:56:59.239
<v Speaker 1>arranged the murder himself and killed both his wife and Harrington.

1102
00:56:59.400 --> 00:56:59.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1103
00:57:00.039 --> 00:57:03.360
<v Speaker 1>Allegations were based on a blood spatter expert hired by

1104
00:57:03.519 --> 00:57:08.840
<v Speaker 1>Bart Transportation in the case. He sued that company. It's

1105
00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:11.679
<v Speaker 1>so fucking funny, awesome.

1106
00:57:12.880 --> 00:57:13.079
<v Speaker 2>Man.

1107
00:57:13.119 --> 00:57:16.360
<v Speaker 1>Everything came to a head. It changed everything. This is

1108
00:57:16.400 --> 00:57:18.960
<v Speaker 1>what I think the nanny was saying in this. I

1109
00:57:19.000 --> 00:57:20.920
<v Speaker 1>mean it went from Winger as a hero who is

1110
00:57:20.960 --> 00:57:24.360
<v Speaker 1>defending his wife, this noble, stand up guy that every

1111
00:57:24.400 --> 00:57:27.159
<v Speaker 1>man wanted to pat on the back, to a manipulative

1112
00:57:27.320 --> 00:57:33.239
<v Speaker 1>of deviant murderer. As the detectives continued their reinvestigation, they

1113
00:57:33.320 --> 00:57:37.760
<v Speaker 1>learned that Harrington's roommate, Susan Collins, had initially told police

1114
00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:40.159
<v Speaker 1>that someone asked to meet with Harrington on the day

1115
00:57:40.159 --> 00:57:42.960
<v Speaker 1>of the murders, and that she'd seen Harrington on the

1116
00:57:42.960 --> 00:57:47.559
<v Speaker 1>phone arranging arranging that meeting inside Harrington's car. They found

1117
00:57:47.599 --> 00:57:49.760
<v Speaker 1>a note written on a bank deposit slip with Mark

1118
00:57:49.800 --> 00:57:52.480
<v Speaker 1>Winger's name, his address, and the time to be there.

1119
00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:56.840
<v Speaker 1>How do they not put any of this together? Yeah,

1120
00:57:57.519 --> 00:58:00.280
<v Speaker 1>Weinhoff said Roger Harrington was not an in true, but

1121
00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:02.840
<v Speaker 1>rather he was lured into that home by Mark Winger.

1122
00:58:03.239 --> 00:58:05.880
<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, though, I've never been invited

1123
00:58:05.920 --> 00:58:08.360
<v Speaker 1>to someone else's house where I just brought a coffee

1124
00:58:08.400 --> 00:58:09.400
<v Speaker 1>mug that belonged to me.

1125
00:58:09.519 --> 00:58:10.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's weird. Why do you bring it?

1126
00:58:10.920 --> 00:58:12.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's see.

1127
00:58:13.079 --> 00:58:13.159
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

1128
00:58:13.440 --> 00:58:16.880
<v Speaker 1>Dan schultz cooperation with police and evidence that raised questions

1129
00:58:17.280 --> 00:58:20.280
<v Speaker 1>about Mark Winger's story prompted the voluntary dismissal of the

1130
00:58:20.320 --> 00:58:22.360
<v Speaker 1>civil suit against Bart Transportation.

1131
00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:25.039
<v Speaker 3>Like bring bringing the coffee cup is like if you're

1132
00:58:25.039 --> 00:58:27.039
<v Speaker 3>really coming over for dinner and you bring your own plate.

1133
00:58:27.719 --> 00:58:32.000
<v Speaker 1>All right, So back to the crime scene real quick.

1134
00:58:32.280 --> 00:58:35.039
<v Speaker 1>The hammer, according to Mark, was his Donna had left

1135
00:58:35.079 --> 00:58:35.440
<v Speaker 1>it out.

1136
00:58:36.239 --> 00:58:38.039
<v Speaker 2>Uh oh, Donna did it now? Okay?

1137
00:58:38.119 --> 00:58:40.519
<v Speaker 1>And one one thing is says Donna left it out

1138
00:58:40.559 --> 00:58:43.119
<v Speaker 1>to remind him to hang a hat raut, okay, But

1139
00:58:43.159 --> 00:58:45.239
<v Speaker 1>in another one is said like he left it out

1140
00:58:45.280 --> 00:58:46.119
<v Speaker 1>because he asked Donna.

1141
00:58:46.280 --> 00:58:48.199
<v Speaker 3>I feel like, yeah, I feel like he if I

1142
00:58:48.280 --> 00:58:51.639
<v Speaker 3>mean I know it didn't happen anyway, but do it?

1143
00:58:51.719 --> 00:58:53.960
<v Speaker 1>Hey can didn't do that? Why because I just started

1144
00:58:53.960 --> 00:58:56.039
<v Speaker 1>a campaign and Halo too, I got ship to do.

1145
00:58:56.400 --> 00:58:58.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, have you seen a fucking week? I look,

1146
00:58:58.880 --> 00:58:59.880
<v Speaker 3>he's using the shake.

1147
00:59:00.760 --> 00:59:03.280
<v Speaker 1>He asked the police officers the identity of the man

1148
00:59:03.320 --> 00:59:06.440
<v Speaker 1>that had attacked his wife and was told it was

1149
00:59:06.519 --> 00:59:10.039
<v Speaker 1>Roger Harrington. He seemed surprised and then informed the officers

1150
00:59:10.039 --> 00:59:11.719
<v Speaker 1>and oh my god, that's the guy that had driven

1151
00:59:11.760 --> 00:59:13.800
<v Speaker 1>Don in the baby back and he was acting weird

1152
00:59:14.119 --> 00:59:16.840
<v Speaker 1>and he's also been making harassing phone calls all week.

1153
00:59:16.960 --> 00:59:19.599
<v Speaker 1>He also left drugs all in the house, alter the house,

1154
00:59:21.679 --> 00:59:24.719
<v Speaker 1>ambulances a riter transport both Don and Roger of the hospital.

1155
00:59:24.840 --> 00:59:28.440
<v Speaker 1>Roger died soon after arriving and Donna died minutes later,

1156
00:59:28.840 --> 00:59:31.039
<v Speaker 1>So he didn't even make sure they were both dead. Yeah,

1157
00:59:31.039 --> 00:59:32.480
<v Speaker 1>that's that's fucking wild.

1158
00:59:32.440 --> 00:59:33.760
<v Speaker 2>If one of them were survived.

1159
00:59:34.760 --> 00:59:37.239
<v Speaker 1>Although Mark said he expected to be taken into custody

1160
00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:39.719
<v Speaker 1>because he had killed a man, the police declined to

1161
00:59:39.719 --> 00:59:42.079
<v Speaker 1>do so, feeling that he was a victim rather than

1162
00:59:42.119 --> 00:59:45.920
<v Speaker 1>a killer. Springfield Police detective Charlie Cox was familiar with

1163
00:59:46.000 --> 00:59:48.599
<v Speaker 1>Roger as he owned the trailer park with Roger and

1164
00:59:48.639 --> 00:59:51.559
<v Speaker 1>his then wife had lived. Cox had broken up a

1165
00:59:51.559 --> 00:59:55.519
<v Speaker 1>physical fight between the two. It is insane that that

1166
00:59:55.639 --> 00:59:59.760
<v Speaker 1>Mark Winger was literally gift rapally was this fucking it's card,

1167
00:59:59.800 --> 01:00:03.039
<v Speaker 1>let's drop a fucking violent, crazy dude into his laps

1168
01:00:03.239 --> 01:00:06.000
<v Speaker 1>to help him kill his wife. Yes, that's insane.

1169
01:00:06.119 --> 01:00:08.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like God's like, yeah, I feel that guy, bone. Yeah,

1170
01:00:08.400 --> 01:00:09.199
<v Speaker 2>it's fine. Yeah.

1171
01:00:09.199 --> 01:00:12.480
<v Speaker 1>So everyone thought Mark was a hero, but like, so long, dude.

1172
01:00:13.119 --> 01:00:16.639
<v Speaker 1>Donna's family, although grief stricken after losing Donna, they rallied

1173
01:00:16.679 --> 01:00:20.400
<v Speaker 1>behind Mark and supported that sucks so bad. They believe

1174
01:00:20.480 --> 01:00:23.280
<v Speaker 1>that Donna's chance encounter with Roger Harrington led to her

1175
01:00:23.360 --> 01:00:27.400
<v Speaker 1>tragic death. Rogers family, however, didn't. They were like, there's

1176
01:00:27.400 --> 01:00:30.039
<v Speaker 1>no way he murdered her, and they asked the police

1177
01:00:30.079 --> 01:00:32.719
<v Speaker 1>to look into the case closer, to look into the

1178
01:00:32.760 --> 01:00:34.480
<v Speaker 1>case closer, but they were like, no, we're going We're

1179
01:00:34.519 --> 01:00:37.039
<v Speaker 1>not gonna listen to the family of a crazy man. Yeah,

1180
01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:42.360
<v Speaker 1>fuck you, yeah, bitch. Yeah. So after the death of

1181
01:00:42.400 --> 01:00:44.719
<v Speaker 1>his wife, that's when Mark hired the nanny by the

1182
01:00:44.760 --> 01:00:47.400
<v Speaker 1>name of Rebecca to care for the three month old.

1183
01:00:47.960 --> 01:00:51.039
<v Speaker 1>Oh here's some interesting stuff. He collected a one hundred

1184
01:00:51.079 --> 01:00:54.679
<v Speaker 1>and fifty thousand dollars life insurance falls scene and yeah,

1185
01:00:54.920 --> 01:00:58.400
<v Speaker 1>Donna as well as twenty five thousand from a crime,

1186
01:00:59.360 --> 01:01:03.519
<v Speaker 1>A fucking crime victim's fun, dude, so good. The Chicago

1187
01:01:03.559 --> 01:01:05.719
<v Speaker 1>Tribune wrote an article on the crime, and Mark wrote

1188
01:01:05.719 --> 01:01:11.639
<v Speaker 1>a letter to the paper thanking them for their support. Yeah,

1189
01:01:12.440 --> 01:01:15.480
<v Speaker 1>and then several months after hiring her, he started dating her.

1190
01:01:16.079 --> 01:01:19.440
<v Speaker 1>Fifteen months after Donna's murders. When he married her, he

1191
01:01:19.679 --> 01:01:21.880
<v Speaker 1>like we said, he gave up his Jewish roots to

1192
01:01:21.960 --> 01:01:27.039
<v Speaker 1>become a Christian. He was even baptized. And then they

1193
01:01:27.079 --> 01:01:30.679
<v Speaker 1>became active in her church. And then Mark started doing

1194
01:01:30.679 --> 01:01:33.880
<v Speaker 1>construction work as a volunteer for the church as well.

1195
01:01:34.559 --> 01:01:38.960
<v Speaker 1>They fucking love this guy. He's a hero. He's he's

1196
01:01:39.000 --> 01:01:42.199
<v Speaker 1>a fucking yeah dude. So so they have Bailey, who

1197
01:01:42.199 --> 01:01:47.199
<v Speaker 1>they adopted. They have three more children throughout throughout Donna's

1198
01:01:47.199 --> 01:01:50.280
<v Speaker 1>mother and stepfather, Sarah, Jane, and Ira. They continue to

1199
01:01:50.280 --> 01:01:52.760
<v Speaker 1>be involved in Bailey's life until he was like, by

1200
01:01:52.800 --> 01:01:55.239
<v Speaker 1>the way, fucking get out of here.

1201
01:01:55.719 --> 01:01:57.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, don't talk to her again.

1202
01:01:58.679 --> 01:02:01.199
<v Speaker 1>And then all of this would have been fine if

1203
01:02:01.239 --> 01:02:04.079
<v Speaker 1>he didn't, just if he didn't keep talking to the

1204
01:02:04.119 --> 01:02:06.159
<v Speaker 1>police for no reason if he didn't try to get

1205
01:02:06.159 --> 01:02:08.519
<v Speaker 1>her friend to help. Yeah, so he tried to get

1206
01:02:08.519 --> 01:02:10.199
<v Speaker 1>one of her friends to help. He kept talking to

1207
01:02:10.239 --> 01:02:13.000
<v Speaker 1>the police, and then that civil lawsuit fucked up.

1208
01:02:13.000 --> 01:02:13.320
<v Speaker 2>That's so.

1209
01:02:15.119 --> 01:02:17.840
<v Speaker 3>But like did he just like stop banging the friend

1210
01:02:17.840 --> 01:02:21.519
<v Speaker 3>after he murdered her, like murdered? I don't know, because

1211
01:02:21.599 --> 01:02:23.679
<v Speaker 3>like wouldn't you think, like she's like, all right, well

1212
01:02:23.679 --> 01:02:25.679
<v Speaker 3>you're fucking dumping me. I'm just gonna telling you I

1213
01:02:25.719 --> 01:02:26.440
<v Speaker 3>know everything.

1214
01:02:26.599 --> 01:02:34.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, alright, let's see here. So Mark himself, so they

1215
01:02:34.920 --> 01:02:40.199
<v Speaker 1>eventually start talking to him, and let's see here. His

1216
01:02:40.360 --> 01:02:43.679
<v Speaker 1>visits cause a lead detective Doug Williamson to become suspicious

1217
01:02:43.679 --> 01:02:49.199
<v Speaker 1>of him. Then he he also sued that transportation company.

1218
01:02:50.599 --> 01:02:54.039
<v Speaker 1>He tried suing them for millions of dollars over Donna's desk.

1219
01:02:54.840 --> 01:02:57.679
<v Speaker 1>The shuttle company refusing to pay out, Mark began its

1220
01:02:57.679 --> 01:03:00.239
<v Speaker 1>own investigation, which is what led to like the blood

1221
01:03:02.079 --> 01:03:05.480
<v Speaker 1>he he was like gift wrapped, like the most golden

1222
01:03:05.519 --> 01:03:08.760
<v Speaker 1>opportunity ever, and just because he's a greedy dumb ass,

1223
01:03:08.840 --> 01:03:10.760
<v Speaker 1>he fucked it up along the way. Yeah, it's like,

1224
01:03:10.800 --> 01:03:13.119
<v Speaker 1>I bet you I can make more money off of it. Yeah,

1225
01:03:13.159 --> 01:03:15.280
<v Speaker 1>he's he already has so much money.

1226
01:03:15.760 --> 01:03:17.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like he was pretty much rich.

1227
01:03:17.559 --> 01:03:21.159
<v Speaker 1>Then Yeah, let's see here. Uh So as part of

1228
01:03:21.159 --> 01:03:24.320
<v Speaker 1>the reinvestigation, that's when police talked to Dan Schultz. They

1229
01:03:24.320 --> 01:03:28.280
<v Speaker 1>find out they were having an affair and him saying

1230
01:03:28.320 --> 01:03:31.679
<v Speaker 1>like he wanted Donna out of the picture and mentioned

1231
01:03:31.760 --> 01:03:34.840
<v Speaker 1>killing her and asking Deann to like partake in it,

1232
01:03:34.920 --> 01:03:37.639
<v Speaker 1>like oh, you could show up and find the body, YadA, YadA, YadA.

1233
01:03:37.760 --> 01:03:39.960
<v Speaker 1>So mark himself. He will admit to the affair at

1234
01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:42.519
<v Speaker 1>d M, but he denies everything else. Yeah, it's like, yeah,

1235
01:03:42.559 --> 01:03:44.760
<v Speaker 1>I was fucking her, but everything else is bullshit. But

1236
01:03:44.800 --> 01:03:52.480
<v Speaker 1>I did fuck her, Yeah, dude, Yeah, dude. They also

1237
01:03:52.559 --> 01:03:55.360
<v Speaker 1>noted that when when Roger came into the Winger home,

1238
01:03:55.920 --> 01:03:58.159
<v Speaker 1>this says he brought with him a can of soda

1239
01:03:58.840 --> 01:04:01.000
<v Speaker 1>and a pack of cigarettes. I don't know if maybe

1240
01:04:01.000 --> 01:04:03.519
<v Speaker 1>he brought a can of root beer muddy Yeah, and

1241
01:04:03.920 --> 01:04:06.159
<v Speaker 1>it's somewhere along the way that was translated to bringing

1242
01:04:06.159 --> 01:04:08.000
<v Speaker 1>his own coffee muff. I don't know.

1243
01:04:08.119 --> 01:04:10.559
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why it'd be funnier if MI Wasnesota. Yeah.

1244
01:04:10.599 --> 01:04:12.920
<v Speaker 1>So they both are found in the kitchen table. It

1245
01:04:12.960 --> 01:04:15.199
<v Speaker 1>seemed odd that someone who was planning a murder would

1246
01:04:15.239 --> 01:04:18.639
<v Speaker 1>bring that with him, but not the murder weapons. They're like, yeah,

1247
01:04:18.679 --> 01:04:21.800
<v Speaker 1>this really doesn't make sense. Does he left the murder weapons?

1248
01:04:22.119 --> 01:04:25.079
<v Speaker 1>But he brought that can of serge? Yeah? And then

1249
01:04:25.159 --> 01:04:27.360
<v Speaker 1>also the piece of paper in his house or in

1250
01:04:27.360 --> 01:04:30.119
<v Speaker 1>his car that said Mark Winger and then had Mark

1251
01:04:30.159 --> 01:04:32.079
<v Speaker 1>Winger's address and then four thirty.

1252
01:04:32.280 --> 01:04:34.920
<v Speaker 2>Clearly that was a meeting. He shouldn't know who he is.

1253
01:04:35.920 --> 01:04:39.559
<v Speaker 3>You've been just going off of like her her him

1254
01:04:39.599 --> 01:04:41.400
<v Speaker 3>driving her home, like he shouldn't over her.

1255
01:04:41.320 --> 01:04:43.920
<v Speaker 1>Husband, Like wait a minute, Donna was so scared and

1256
01:04:44.039 --> 01:04:46.119
<v Speaker 1>terrified of this guy, why would they invite him over?

1257
01:04:46.320 --> 01:04:46.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

1258
01:04:46.760 --> 01:04:48.519
<v Speaker 1>And they're like, well, there's no sign of a break

1259
01:04:48.599 --> 01:04:53.119
<v Speaker 1>in either any of this shit. So investigators spoke to

1260
01:04:53.239 --> 01:04:56.039
<v Speaker 1>Roger's former roommates. All three of them claimed that Roger

1261
01:04:56.079 --> 01:05:00.320
<v Speaker 1>had received a call from Mark Winger, so fucking he

1262
01:05:00.400 --> 01:05:02.519
<v Speaker 1>told them all, I'm going to Mark Wingers.

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01:05:04.599 --> 01:05:06.679
<v Speaker 2>He drew us a map and yeah.

1264
01:05:07.199 --> 01:05:09.960
<v Speaker 1>Investigators spoke to the Wingers next door neighbor who were

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01:05:10.000 --> 01:05:14.599
<v Speaker 1>called hearing the gunshots on that August afternoon. Despite Mark

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01:05:14.679 --> 01:05:17.639
<v Speaker 1>saying that he had shot Roger twice, the neighbors are

1267
01:05:17.639 --> 01:05:20.920
<v Speaker 1>called hearing the gunshots a few minutes apart, so in

1268
01:05:21.000 --> 01:05:22.719
<v Speaker 1>his story, he said he shot him once, then he

1269
01:05:22.760 --> 01:05:25.679
<v Speaker 1>got back up the shot immediately. Neighbors said they heard

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01:05:25.719 --> 01:05:29.320
<v Speaker 1>one and then like a minute or two later they

1271
01:05:29.400 --> 01:05:32.360
<v Speaker 1>heard another one. Listening to Mark's nine one one call,

1272
01:05:32.440 --> 01:05:35.960
<v Speaker 1>detectives overheard the sound of someone moaning in pain before

1273
01:05:36.000 --> 01:05:41.000
<v Speaker 1>Mark disconnected the call. Dude, gotcha, that might have been

1274
01:05:41.039 --> 01:05:44.719
<v Speaker 1>his wife, Yeah, telling the nine to one operator that

1275
01:05:44.760 --> 01:05:47.079
<v Speaker 1>his baby daughter was crying and he needed to attend

1276
01:05:47.119 --> 01:05:49.320
<v Speaker 1>to her. So like, really, because that sounds like that

1277
01:05:49.400 --> 01:05:52.840
<v Speaker 1>sounds like someone's wife dying. Yeah, no, no, that's my

1278
01:05:52.920 --> 01:05:56.159
<v Speaker 1>adopted baby. So could it have been like he shot him,

1279
01:05:56.320 --> 01:05:59.519
<v Speaker 1>called namond one and then like wall on the phone

1280
01:05:59.599 --> 01:06:01.800
<v Speaker 1>nine one of years him making a noise again, hangs

1281
01:06:01.840 --> 01:06:03.039
<v Speaker 1>up and goes and shoots him again.

1282
01:06:03.280 --> 01:06:03.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1283
01:06:03.519 --> 01:06:05.920
<v Speaker 1>What they think actually is that like while he was

1284
01:06:05.920 --> 01:06:09.639
<v Speaker 1>on the phone with that moaning, he realized that Roger

1285
01:06:09.760 --> 01:06:12.599
<v Speaker 1>was still alive, and so he's like, my baby's crying.

1286
01:06:12.599 --> 01:06:14.920
<v Speaker 1>I got so then he hangs up and then goes

1287
01:06:14.960 --> 01:06:18.159
<v Speaker 1>and shoots Roger again. That's crazy, fucked up. Yeah, so

1288
01:06:18.239 --> 01:06:20.960
<v Speaker 1>it a pair. It became apparent that Market called Roger

1289
01:06:21.000 --> 01:06:22.760
<v Speaker 1>to lure him to the home to frame him for

1290
01:06:22.840 --> 01:06:26.280
<v Speaker 1>Donna's murder. Police arrested Mark Winger in two thousand and

1291
01:06:26.320 --> 01:06:28.719
<v Speaker 1>one on two counts of murder and held him on

1292
01:06:28.800 --> 01:06:30.079
<v Speaker 1>a ten million dollar bond.

1293
01:06:30.559 --> 01:06:32.119
<v Speaker 2>Did he have that? Probably?

1294
01:06:32.440 --> 01:06:35.719
<v Speaker 1>Mark contacted a friend by the name of Jeffrey Gelman,

1295
01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:38.480
<v Speaker 1>a successful Florida real estate developer, to put.

1296
01:06:38.440 --> 01:06:39.559
<v Speaker 2>Up his bond. Fuck.

1297
01:06:39.639 --> 01:06:45.480
<v Speaker 1>It was like, no, dude, I'm doing that. That's that's sweet.

1298
01:06:45.880 --> 01:06:51.639
<v Speaker 1>During the trial, the owner of the transport plays Raymond Duffy, Hell, yeah,

1299
01:06:52.320 --> 01:06:55.599
<v Speaker 1>that's sweet, testify that Mark had called a complain about

1300
01:06:55.679 --> 01:06:58.840
<v Speaker 1>Roger Harrington, and he asked to talk directly to Roger

1301
01:06:59.440 --> 01:07:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Duffy with Roger first, who gave him the okay to

1302
01:07:02.119 --> 01:07:05.639
<v Speaker 1>providing Mark with Harrington's phone number. Oh, he gave him

1303
01:07:05.800 --> 01:07:08.159
<v Speaker 1>his fucking phone number. That doesn't seem right.

1304
01:07:08.280 --> 01:07:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Why would you like.

1305
01:07:09.039 --> 01:07:11.840
<v Speaker 3>This guy's gonna yell at you. Yeah, give him my number. Yeah, Hey,

1306
01:07:11.880 --> 01:07:14.000
<v Speaker 3>you're not gonna get You're not gonna yell me, right,

1307
01:07:14.639 --> 01:07:16.840
<v Speaker 3>you only want to yell at Roger. Yeah, here's his

1308
01:07:16.880 --> 01:07:18.440
<v Speaker 3>phone number. Yeah, here's his address.

1309
01:07:18.840 --> 01:07:21.960
<v Speaker 1>Prosecutors alleged that Mark called Roger around nine a m.

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01:07:22.079 --> 01:07:24.639
<v Speaker 1>On the morning of the murders from his office at

1311
01:07:24.679 --> 01:07:26.760
<v Speaker 1>the Illinois Department of Nuclear Safety.

1312
01:07:27.920 --> 01:07:32.760
<v Speaker 2>You're fucking working, dude. Yeah. During the call, do your wife.

1313
01:07:32.920 --> 01:07:34.840
<v Speaker 1>The two men agreed to meet at the Winger home

1314
01:07:34.920 --> 01:07:37.480
<v Speaker 1>later that day to discuss the incident with Donna and

1315
01:07:37.679 --> 01:07:42.519
<v Speaker 1>baby Bailey. Yeah, let's get hurt. Roger left his home

1316
01:07:42.599 --> 01:07:45.400
<v Speaker 1>in Mural Mechanics Berg around three thirty, an hour before

1317
01:07:45.480 --> 01:07:49.079
<v Speaker 1>his pre arranged meeting with Winger. Dan Schultz, who is

1318
01:07:49.119 --> 01:07:50.880
<v Speaker 1>don his best friend and the woman with whom Marcus

1319
01:07:50.960 --> 01:07:53.920
<v Speaker 1>having an affair with at the time, was given immunity

1320
01:07:54.079 --> 01:07:56.559
<v Speaker 1>in exchange for her testimony. So that's why she doesn't

1321
01:07:56.559 --> 01:07:59.320
<v Speaker 1>get in any in trouble. She testified about the affair,

1322
01:07:59.400 --> 01:08:01.519
<v Speaker 1>and marcis sertin since that he wanted Donna Gaunt so

1323
01:08:01.599 --> 01:08:04.239
<v Speaker 1>that he and Deian could marry and raise baby Bailey.

1324
01:08:04.360 --> 01:08:08.559
<v Speaker 1>But then he doesn't. I'm so sorry, Dan, but I

1325
01:08:08.679 --> 01:08:09.960
<v Speaker 1>didn't know that hot piece.

1326
01:08:10.360 --> 01:08:12.199
<v Speaker 2>It's gonna be the nanny bitch.

1327
01:08:12.679 --> 01:08:15.480
<v Speaker 1>Uh. The defense argued that Dean was an unreliable witness

1328
01:08:15.599 --> 01:08:21.039
<v Speaker 1>dude to her having undergone electro shock therapy following suicide attacks.

1329
01:08:21.359 --> 01:08:23.880
<v Speaker 1>You can't trust that bitch. She tried to kill herself.

1330
01:08:23.920 --> 01:08:27.319
<v Speaker 1>She's fucking zapped. I ain't trusted a bit that's been zapped.

1331
01:08:27.680 --> 01:08:29.800
<v Speaker 2>That's so fucking.

1332
01:08:31.319 --> 01:08:31.560
<v Speaker 1>Hash.

1333
01:08:31.720 --> 01:08:32.039
<v Speaker 2>Do you know what?

1334
01:08:32.159 --> 01:08:34.319
<v Speaker 1>That sounds like something straight out of guy's court?

1335
01:08:34.720 --> 01:08:35.439
<v Speaker 2>Do you get that bitch?

1336
01:08:36.159 --> 01:08:38.760
<v Speaker 1>He trusted a bitch who's had fucking lightning in a head.

1337
01:08:38.880 --> 01:08:41.720
<v Speaker 2>Fuck that bit, what, let's fucking electric cure it again?

1338
01:08:41.840 --> 01:08:42.560
<v Speaker 2>Hear the chair?

1339
01:08:42.880 --> 01:08:46.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The defense also called a blood spatter expert who

1340
01:08:46.119 --> 01:08:49.600
<v Speaker 1>testified the blood pattern at the crime scene supported Mark's story,

1341
01:08:50.359 --> 01:08:53.279
<v Speaker 1>like I don't know that guy says that. Uh. They

1342
01:08:53.359 --> 01:08:56.439
<v Speaker 1>deliberated for thirteen hours and then found Mark Winger guilty

1343
01:08:56.479 --> 01:08:56.920
<v Speaker 1>of murder.

1344
01:08:57.079 --> 01:08:57.439
<v Speaker 2>Fuck you.

1345
01:08:57.840 --> 01:09:00.840
<v Speaker 1>The jurors found Rogers drinking cigarettes on the kitchen table,

1346
01:09:00.960 --> 01:09:03.680
<v Speaker 1>telling as well as the note left behind in his

1347
01:09:03.800 --> 01:09:05.840
<v Speaker 1>car and the fact that he did not bring a

1348
01:09:05.920 --> 01:09:06.560
<v Speaker 1>weapon with him.

1349
01:09:06.600 --> 01:09:07.359
<v Speaker 2>Dude's so good.

1350
01:09:08.159 --> 01:09:11.840
<v Speaker 1>During sentencing, Mark continued to protest his innocence, even giving

1351
01:09:11.920 --> 01:09:14.000
<v Speaker 1>a lengthy speech to the judge where he asserted that

1352
01:09:14.119 --> 01:09:17.279
<v Speaker 1>Roger Harrington had killed Donna. So he said, like, you

1353
01:09:17.319 --> 01:09:22.039
<v Speaker 1>don't understand he saw Roger do it. He sentenced a

1354
01:09:22.119 --> 01:09:25.239
<v Speaker 1>life in prison without the possibility of parole and sent

1355
01:09:25.359 --> 01:09:29.399
<v Speaker 1>to the Pawntiac Correctional Center in Pontiac, Illinois. Hell I

1356
01:09:29.439 --> 01:09:31.079
<v Speaker 1>saw what he looks like. He has like a giant

1357
01:09:31.159 --> 01:09:32.359
<v Speaker 1>fucking Santa Claus Beard.

1358
01:09:32.439 --> 01:09:32.640
<v Speaker 2>Dude.

1359
01:09:32.720 --> 01:09:37.640
<v Speaker 1>Fuck yeah, so his hot peace ass. Nanny White Rebecca.

1360
01:09:38.319 --> 01:09:41.800
<v Speaker 1>She stood by her husband and supported him throughout the trial. However,

1361
01:09:41.880 --> 01:09:44.279
<v Speaker 1>as soon as they found him guilty, she followed for divorce.

1362
01:09:45.840 --> 01:09:46.039
<v Speaker 2>Dude.

1363
01:09:46.760 --> 01:09:49.680
<v Speaker 1>She left the area and changed the children's last names

1364
01:09:49.720 --> 01:09:50.960
<v Speaker 1>and an attempt to protect them.

1365
01:09:51.159 --> 01:09:51.600
<v Speaker 2>Nice tell.

1366
01:09:51.680 --> 01:09:54.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that's good for her. The story is not over.

1367
01:09:55.880 --> 01:09:59.640
<v Speaker 1>Mark Winger's story is not over, though. Shortly after arriving

1368
01:09:59.720 --> 01:10:03.000
<v Speaker 1>in Aniak in August of two thousand and two, he

1369
01:10:03.159 --> 01:10:06.319
<v Speaker 1>struck up a friendship with a fellow inmate named Terry Hubble.

1370
01:10:07.039 --> 01:10:09.840
<v Speaker 1>Like Winger, Hubble was in prison for beating a woman

1371
01:10:09.920 --> 01:10:12.199
<v Speaker 1>to death. Yeah this looks like good company.

1372
01:10:12.319 --> 01:10:12.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1373
01:10:13.600 --> 01:10:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Winger apparently thought he was a perfect partner and a

1374
01:10:16.159 --> 01:10:19.279
<v Speaker 1>murder for higher plot. Hell yeah, to eliminate a witness

1375
01:10:19.359 --> 01:10:22.479
<v Speaker 1>in his case. The case is over. Yeah, I need

1376
01:10:22.560 --> 01:10:27.159
<v Speaker 1>you to kill Dian Schultz. Fuck yeah, dude, the woman

1377
01:10:27.239 --> 01:10:29.119
<v Speaker 1>he had promised to marry once Donald was out of

1378
01:10:29.159 --> 01:10:33.119
<v Speaker 1>the picture. Hubble didn't think much of Wingers solicitation, since quote,

1379
01:10:33.119 --> 01:10:35.920
<v Speaker 1>everybody that has in prison pretty well says they would

1380
01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:37.880
<v Speaker 1>like to get rid of a witness in their face.

1381
01:10:38.720 --> 01:10:40.000
<v Speaker 2>So yeah.

1382
01:10:41.159 --> 01:10:44.119
<v Speaker 3>Winger was not to be deterred and eventually provided Hubble

1383
01:10:44.239 --> 01:10:48.039
<v Speaker 3>with a nineteen page handwritten note outlining his plans.

1384
01:10:48.119 --> 01:10:51.600
<v Speaker 2>Dude, fuck yeah, dude, he's like, I'm not reading all this.

1385
01:10:51.920 --> 01:10:55.319
<v Speaker 1>Which now included kidnapping Jeff Gelman.

1386
01:10:55.439 --> 01:10:57.359
<v Speaker 2>Why who's that? He was the guy?

1387
01:10:57.680 --> 01:11:01.319
<v Speaker 1>No, he's the realtor who wouldn't post a bail. Oh,

1388
01:11:04.199 --> 01:11:08.520
<v Speaker 1>you got to kidnap that guy. I heard he could

1389
01:11:08.600 --> 01:11:11.520
<v Speaker 1>like see like, it's just a Helpble Teles.

1390
01:11:14.199 --> 01:11:14.720
<v Speaker 2>Know how to do this.

1391
01:11:15.039 --> 01:11:17.119
<v Speaker 1>We got to kidnap that guy because he's got money.

1392
01:11:17.199 --> 01:11:18.920
<v Speaker 1>He wouldn't post my bail and I don't like that.

1393
01:11:20.359 --> 01:11:23.119
<v Speaker 1>Wingers plan was to extort huge sums of money in

1394
01:11:23.239 --> 01:11:27.720
<v Speaker 1>exchange for not hurting Galman's family. Wow, I promise that

1395
01:11:27.760 --> 01:11:29.680
<v Speaker 1>would not be kept. His Wingers plan was not only

1396
01:11:29.800 --> 01:11:33.239
<v Speaker 1>to kill Galman, but his family as well. Yeah, keep

1397
01:11:33.359 --> 01:11:37.560
<v Speaker 1>reading reading the nineteen page hand written note. The money

1398
01:11:37.640 --> 01:11:40.000
<v Speaker 1>received from Galman would then pay a hit man to

1399
01:11:40.159 --> 01:11:43.600
<v Speaker 1>kidnap Diane Schultz, who would then be forced to record

1400
01:11:43.680 --> 01:11:46.279
<v Speaker 1>and write statements that she had committed perjury during the

1401
01:11:46.359 --> 01:11:50.960
<v Speaker 1>trial that Mark Winger was innocent. How they're gonna kill her, though,

1402
01:11:51.239 --> 01:11:54.760
<v Speaker 1>how would setting up this plan? Yeah, clearly you set

1403
01:11:54.800 --> 01:11:56.880
<v Speaker 1>this plan up. How would any of that lead to

1404
01:11:56.880 --> 01:11:57.399
<v Speaker 1>you being in it?

1405
01:11:58.560 --> 01:11:58.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

1406
01:11:59.520 --> 01:12:02.199
<v Speaker 1>Once that been completed, Schultz would be killed, but her

1407
01:12:02.319 --> 01:12:04.880
<v Speaker 1>death should be made to look like a suicide. Hey,

1408
01:12:04.960 --> 01:12:08.319
<v Speaker 1>the bitch is already suicide. He's already been zapped.

1409
01:12:08.479 --> 01:12:09.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she's already zapped.

1410
01:12:10.479 --> 01:12:14.199
<v Speaker 1>In true engineer style, Winger ordered that fingerprints to be

1411
01:12:14.279 --> 01:12:17.520
<v Speaker 1>found on schultz suicide note and the cassette tape in

1412
01:12:17.600 --> 01:12:20.800
<v Speaker 1>which she would state that she had committed perjury be hers,

1413
01:12:20.960 --> 01:12:22.880
<v Speaker 1>and her DNA was to be found on both the

1414
01:12:23.000 --> 01:12:28.239
<v Speaker 1>envelope and stamp that would contain the suicide note. Fuck yeah,

1415
01:12:28.439 --> 01:12:33.439
<v Speaker 1>the fucking idiot. Should any money be left over after

1416
01:12:33.560 --> 01:12:36.399
<v Speaker 1>these schemes. So he's like, we're gonna take him for

1417
01:12:36.439 --> 01:12:38.880
<v Speaker 1>a ton of money. We're gonna use that money to

1418
01:12:38.960 --> 01:12:41.239
<v Speaker 1>pay a hit man, which hit band I don't know yet.

1419
01:12:41.359 --> 01:12:44.479
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna find one to pay one to kill this woman.

1420
01:12:45.000 --> 01:12:48.880
<v Speaker 1>If there is money left over, let's go ahead, and

1421
01:12:49.000 --> 01:12:52.600
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna set up an additional hit. My father in law,

1422
01:12:52.720 --> 01:12:56.119
<v Speaker 1>Ira Dresser, Why what do he do because he's a

1423
01:12:56.279 --> 01:12:59.039
<v Speaker 1>son of a gunfather in law and I don't like him.

1424
01:12:59.119 --> 01:12:59.560
<v Speaker 2>Fuck you.

1425
01:13:01.039 --> 01:13:03.640
<v Speaker 1>Idiot, what's the guy helping him getting out of it? Day?

1426
01:13:03.720 --> 01:13:05.760
<v Speaker 2>If you're using all the money for the hitman.

1427
01:13:06.000 --> 01:13:08.479
<v Speaker 1>Let's see here for all of his planning. However, Winger

1428
01:13:08.520 --> 01:13:11.279
<v Speaker 1>apparently didn't consider that he would be the common link

1429
01:13:11.359 --> 01:13:15.000
<v Speaker 1>in the deaths of the Galman family, Dan Schultz, and

1430
01:13:15.159 --> 01:13:18.600
<v Speaker 1>Irish Rush. Yeah, fucking idiot. Yeah, what do all three

1431
01:13:18.600 --> 01:13:21.000
<v Speaker 1>of those have in common? I don't know you, Mark Winger?

1432
01:13:21.760 --> 01:13:25.560
<v Speaker 1>Dumbas Yeah. Two thousand and six, Winger, then forty eight

1433
01:13:25.680 --> 01:13:29.840
<v Speaker 1>years old, was indicted for a solicitation. He claimed that

1434
01:13:29.920 --> 01:13:32.760
<v Speaker 1>his murder plots were pure fantasy, spurned on by his

1435
01:13:32.920 --> 01:13:37.560
<v Speaker 1>anger over his conviction, by the way which he believed

1436
01:13:37.640 --> 01:13:39.439
<v Speaker 1>was politically motivated.

1437
01:13:41.840 --> 01:13:42.000
<v Speaker 2>Them.

1438
01:13:42.640 --> 01:13:46.399
<v Speaker 1>He also blamed his revenge fantasies on the dehumanizing conditions

1439
01:13:47.000 --> 01:13:51.399
<v Speaker 1>at maximum security prisons, which he described as a warehouse

1440
01:13:51.479 --> 01:13:58.239
<v Speaker 1>of men but also insane asylums. Hubble, the man he

1441
01:13:58.319 --> 01:14:01.880
<v Speaker 1>had solicitated, he said, was a sly fox that was

1442
01:14:01.960 --> 01:14:06.520
<v Speaker 1>scamming him, and he claimed to fear Hubble all right.

1443
01:14:08.319 --> 01:14:12.600
<v Speaker 1>The jury didn't believe him, of course not, and after

1444
01:14:14.239 --> 01:14:18.279
<v Speaker 1>three hours of deliberation, he was convict in June two

1445
01:14:18.319 --> 01:14:22.119
<v Speaker 1>thousand and seven and was gifted with two thirty five

1446
01:14:22.319 --> 01:14:25.520
<v Speaker 1>years sentences. Yeah, that were tacked on to the end

1447
01:14:25.600 --> 01:14:32.439
<v Speaker 1>of his life, like he's already in like like in

1448
01:14:32.520 --> 01:14:34.319
<v Speaker 1>jail for life, and they're like, by the way, Jose,

1449
01:14:35.720 --> 01:14:37.680
<v Speaker 1>two more thirty five year.

1450
01:14:37.680 --> 01:14:40.479
<v Speaker 2>Like the three hour thing. That means the jurors went

1451
01:14:40.560 --> 01:14:42.760
<v Speaker 2>and got launched and came back like, by the way guilty.

1452
01:14:43.359 --> 01:14:48.359
<v Speaker 1>That was the Carmelo Anthony fucking yeah, let's go ahead,

1453
01:14:48.439 --> 01:14:51.079
<v Speaker 1>Let's eat a couple of croissants and fill this paperwork out.

1454
01:14:51.319 --> 01:14:53.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, can we just hold him guilty now and then go?

1455
01:14:54.760 --> 01:14:57.199
<v Speaker 1>So the Winger case was fictionalized on an episode of

1456
01:14:57.279 --> 01:15:02.800
<v Speaker 1>CSI also forty eight hours. I've never seen forty eight hours.

1457
01:15:03.000 --> 01:15:04.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't really don't know what that is, but this

1458
01:15:04.920 --> 01:15:07.199
<v Speaker 1>case is like a popular one in shows and stuff.

1459
01:15:07.880 --> 01:15:11.319
<v Speaker 1>Following Donna's murder, Sarah Jane and Ira Dresser raise over

1460
01:15:11.399 --> 01:15:16.880
<v Speaker 1>forty thousand dollars to build Donna's playroom in Joe DiMaggio's

1461
01:15:16.960 --> 01:15:20.039
<v Speaker 1>Children's hospital in Hollywood, Florida in nineteen ninety eight. So

1462
01:15:20.199 --> 01:15:20.760
<v Speaker 1>that's awesome.

1463
01:15:20.840 --> 01:15:21.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1464
01:15:23.239 --> 01:15:26.359
<v Speaker 1>After their former son in law was exposed as Donna's killer,

1465
01:15:26.439 --> 01:15:30.800
<v Speaker 1>they established Donna's Fun in Broward County, Florida Women Florida's

1466
01:15:30.840 --> 01:15:33.800
<v Speaker 1>Women in Distress shelter. So they're doing good. That's awesome

1467
01:15:33.840 --> 01:15:36.800
<v Speaker 1>that they're doing stuff like that, not even realizing that

1468
01:15:36.880 --> 01:15:39.840
<v Speaker 1>from prison, he's trying to find him killed, get a

1469
01:15:39.920 --> 01:15:43.119
<v Speaker 1>hit man to kill him. Yeah, Ira isn't even mentioned

1470
01:15:43.159 --> 01:15:45.439
<v Speaker 1>at all in his story, so like, why does he

1471
01:15:45.520 --> 01:15:50.680
<v Speaker 1>want to be? Although Rebecca the Nanny said her marriage

1472
01:15:50.720 --> 01:15:53.319
<v Speaker 1>to Mark was a happy one because yes, she didn't

1473
01:15:53.319 --> 01:15:55.399
<v Speaker 1>know any of that. They had like a normal happy

1474
01:15:55.479 --> 01:15:59.199
<v Speaker 1>life actually, yeah, surrounded by their children and church family.

1475
01:15:59.359 --> 01:16:03.680
<v Speaker 1>She took to children and moved to Louisville, Kentucky. Following

1476
01:16:03.720 --> 01:16:07.399
<v Speaker 1>the two thousand and two trial. Winger responded by threatening

1477
01:16:07.479 --> 01:16:10.640
<v Speaker 1>her life. What Yeah, the two were divorced and she

1478
01:16:11.359 --> 01:16:14.960
<v Speaker 1>has remained private because she changed her name the kids

1479
01:16:15.039 --> 01:16:18.439
<v Speaker 1>in all that stuff. In a rare twenty sixteen interview,

1480
01:16:18.560 --> 01:16:20.680
<v Speaker 1>she says she wanted to provide support to other single

1481
01:16:20.760 --> 01:16:25.279
<v Speaker 1>moms and that family members of convicted murderers were living victims.

1482
01:16:25.720 --> 01:16:28.439
<v Speaker 1>She also claimed that the entire experience with Winger only

1483
01:16:28.520 --> 01:16:30.119
<v Speaker 1>strengthened her religious faith.

1484
01:16:31.359 --> 01:16:33.159
<v Speaker 2>All Right, it seems like a nice girl.

1485
01:16:33.520 --> 01:16:36.880
<v Speaker 1>Roger Harrington's parents, Ralph and Helen, they live to see

1486
01:16:36.920 --> 01:16:40.039
<v Speaker 1>their son's name cleared, which was nice good and they

1487
01:16:40.079 --> 01:16:42.680
<v Speaker 1>also saw Mark Winger convicted of the murders of Donna

1488
01:16:42.720 --> 01:16:45.800
<v Speaker 1>and Roger. Ralph died in twenty ten at the age

1489
01:16:45.840 --> 01:16:48.760
<v Speaker 1>of seventy three, so as of right now, Mark is

1490
01:16:48.840 --> 01:16:53.439
<v Speaker 1>still incarcerated at Maynard Correctional Center in Illinois. The formerly

1491
01:16:53.520 --> 01:16:56.520
<v Speaker 1>slender engineer has now reportedly beefed up to two hundred

1492
01:16:56.560 --> 01:17:00.239
<v Speaker 1>and fifteen pounds. O dude, they're like you. Not only

1493
01:17:00.399 --> 01:17:03.760
<v Speaker 1>does he have a giant fucking wizard beard, he's jacked

1494
01:17:04.079 --> 01:17:07.079
<v Speaker 1>and he also he got an eagle tattoo on his leg.

1495
01:17:07.600 --> 01:17:08.159
<v Speaker 2>God damn it.

1496
01:17:08.920 --> 01:17:13.560
<v Speaker 1>What fu Yeah, very litigious. He mounted numerous lawsuits beginning

1497
01:17:13.600 --> 01:17:16.880
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and six concerning where he can exercise. There's

1498
01:17:16.920 --> 01:17:20.640
<v Speaker 1>no there's no word out you know who also can't

1499
01:17:20.640 --> 01:17:24.560
<v Speaker 1>excite your fucking yeah so bitch. By the way, he

1500
01:17:24.680 --> 01:17:28.000
<v Speaker 1>also says he suffers from depression. Yeah, yeah, No one

1501
01:17:28.039 --> 01:17:30.760
<v Speaker 1>cares about me, dude, I'm depressed, I have panic attacks.

1502
01:17:31.039 --> 01:17:36.319
<v Speaker 1>No one fucking cares about about me, don't and physical

1503
01:17:36.359 --> 01:17:40.079
<v Speaker 1>illness caused by his exclusion from the prisons exercise yard.

1504
01:17:40.159 --> 01:17:43.560
<v Speaker 1>By the way, we're back on that. Yeah, I fucking physically.

1505
01:17:43.199 --> 01:17:46.640
<v Speaker 3>I can't exercise. Dude, you're in there for life. Why

1506
01:17:46.720 --> 01:17:49.920
<v Speaker 3>do you want to get fit? Like, yeah, just dive faster.

1507
01:17:50.520 --> 01:17:53.000
<v Speaker 1>As the exclusion forced him to remain within his cell,

1508
01:17:53.039 --> 01:17:57.159
<v Speaker 1>he argued that constituted cruel and unusual punishment had a

1509
01:17:57.239 --> 01:18:02.039
<v Speaker 1>violation of his eight Who cares, dude, Yeah he's yeah,

1510
01:18:02.199 --> 01:18:04.479
<v Speaker 1>who cares? He's He's in there forever. He's dumb. He

1511
01:18:04.560 --> 01:18:08.560
<v Speaker 1>saw he had everything gifted to him perfectly, and he

1512
01:18:08.680 --> 01:18:10.680
<v Speaker 1>just couldn't be a fucking idiot dude.

1513
01:18:10.880 --> 01:18:12.199
<v Speaker 2>Like that's the thing.

1514
01:18:12.359 --> 01:18:15.079
<v Speaker 3>Like, I mean, he wasn't going anyway because he had

1515
01:18:15.319 --> 01:18:18.239
<v Speaker 3>he had no possibility of parole. But him fucking coming

1516
01:18:18.279 --> 01:18:21.159
<v Speaker 3>up with that scheme is so goddamn funny. The other

1517
01:18:21.239 --> 01:18:24.000
<v Speaker 3>way killed that guy? If not, all I'm saying is

1518
01:18:24.079 --> 01:18:29.520
<v Speaker 3>if over, Yeah, how many members of Blink one two there?

1519
01:18:30.560 --> 01:18:33.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, now there's gonna be one last if there's

1520
01:18:33.199 --> 01:18:35.720
<v Speaker 1>if there's anybody left over, there's gonna be one last.

1521
01:18:35.760 --> 01:18:39.640
<v Speaker 1>That's the only one they can't trace back to him. Yeah,

1522
01:18:40.000 --> 01:18:44.039
<v Speaker 1>and randomly's somewhat killed the fucking Travis Barker. We can't

1523
01:18:44.119 --> 01:18:44.880
<v Speaker 1>figure out why.

1524
01:18:45.119 --> 01:18:47.039
<v Speaker 2>For some reason, his body is in there with them.

1525
01:18:47.439 --> 01:18:50.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know what happened, So alrighty that was

1526
01:18:50.159 --> 01:18:52.119
<v Speaker 1>our case. We're gonna go ahead and shut her down.

1527
01:18:52.119 --> 01:18:53.520
<v Speaker 1>Anything you want to say, Primo, that.

1528
01:18:53.560 --> 01:18:54.159
<v Speaker 2>Was crazy one.

1529
01:18:55.319 --> 01:18:56.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was a wild one.

1530
01:18:57.960 --> 01:19:00.159
<v Speaker 2>He had some hashtag wildman's and there. I mean, the

1531
01:19:00.239 --> 01:19:01.439
<v Speaker 2>whole scheme is a hashag.

1532
01:19:02.119 --> 01:19:04.640
<v Speaker 1>Dude, it really is he and like, I know, we've

1533
01:19:04.640 --> 01:19:07.800
<v Speaker 1>said it a bunch. He easily he did get away

1534
01:19:07.840 --> 01:19:10.079
<v Speaker 1>with it. Yeah, and then he just wouldn't stop being

1535
01:19:10.119 --> 01:19:10.600
<v Speaker 1>an idiot.

1536
01:19:10.680 --> 01:19:13.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like he like it wasn't even him getting away

1537
01:19:13.279 --> 01:19:15.439
<v Speaker 3>with it, was just like the circumstances like yeah, yeah,

1538
01:19:15.479 --> 01:19:16.760
<v Speaker 3>that's exactly what happened.

1539
01:19:16.760 --> 01:19:18.800
<v Speaker 2>And he's like, let me try get some more money

1540
01:19:18.800 --> 01:19:19.079
<v Speaker 2>out of it.

1541
01:19:19.359 --> 01:19:21.439
<v Speaker 1>What's going on, Detective Si, Do you guys get a

1542
01:19:21.520 --> 01:19:24.319
<v Speaker 1>chance to look closer at the evidence. I'm not saying

1543
01:19:24.359 --> 01:19:27.520
<v Speaker 1>you should, please don't, but are you looking? You know, hey,

1544
01:19:27.560 --> 01:19:29.880
<v Speaker 1>do you see that ful Hey by the way, look

1545
01:19:29.880 --> 01:19:33.640
<v Speaker 1>at that window. You see that hot piece of as good? Yeah,

1546
01:19:33.680 --> 01:19:37.000
<v Speaker 1>that's my truck. That's my truck, and that's my fuck.

1547
01:19:37.720 --> 01:19:37.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1548
01:19:38.359 --> 01:19:40.199
<v Speaker 3>He's like he keeps going in there asking for that

1549
01:19:40.319 --> 01:19:44.239
<v Speaker 3>bowler with the bodies he has that we can't give

1550
01:19:44.279 --> 01:19:44.840
<v Speaker 3>you that, dude.

1551
01:19:45.319 --> 01:19:47.960
<v Speaker 1>He's like he's like, yeah, do you see that bumper

1552
01:19:48.039 --> 01:19:51.039
<v Speaker 1>sticker my truck? My fuck, that is copyright. I am.

1553
01:19:52.520 --> 01:19:52.760
<v Speaker 2>Copy.

1554
01:19:53.000 --> 01:19:56.359
<v Speaker 1>That's copyright, motherfucker the copyright.

1555
01:19:58.000 --> 01:19:59.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, that's it's copyright.

1556
01:20:01.720 --> 01:20:04.039
<v Speaker 1>That's copyright, motherfucker.

1557
01:20:04.279 --> 01:20:07.960
<v Speaker 3>Was when you told the story about the girl coming

1558
01:20:08.000 --> 01:20:11.079
<v Speaker 3>up the idea where fun what was like homeless people

1559
01:20:11.119 --> 01:20:15.159
<v Speaker 3>like fighting each other or something like that, And then.

1560
01:20:15.319 --> 01:20:17.199
<v Speaker 1>I was like, she just looks at the classes and

1561
01:20:17.279 --> 01:20:23.479
<v Speaker 1>that's copyright. I fealing that fucking guy we were watching

1562
01:20:23.560 --> 01:20:27.920
<v Speaker 1>the Super Bowl with No it was wrestling, oh right, yeah,

1563
01:20:29.199 --> 01:20:34.560
<v Speaker 1>for green Man it was Jeremy and he looked down

1564
01:20:34.680 --> 01:20:37.960
<v Speaker 1>at it was like a pack of gum, and he goes, that's.

1565
01:20:37.880 --> 01:20:41.000
<v Speaker 3>Copyright for a bit, and we're just like what, like

1566
01:20:41.159 --> 01:20:43.800
<v Speaker 3>nobody Like I think green Man just knew not to

1567
01:20:43.880 --> 01:20:45.720
<v Speaker 3>pay attention to him because he was an idiot.

1568
01:20:45.800 --> 01:20:48.800
<v Speaker 2>But like, I'm just like what I was talking about.

1569
01:20:48.800 --> 01:20:51.600
<v Speaker 1>I was also mixing it up with when we were

1570
01:20:51.760 --> 01:20:54.560
<v Speaker 1>watching the Super Bowl. It was when the Saints were

1571
01:20:54.600 --> 01:20:57.560
<v Speaker 1>in it, but there was a guy we were watching

1572
01:20:57.640 --> 01:20:59.880
<v Speaker 1>it with. I don't remember who he was, but he's like,

1573
01:21:00.079 --> 01:21:02.479
<v Speaker 1>oh man, he's a great quarterback. You see the way

1574
01:21:02.640 --> 01:21:07.000
<v Speaker 1>that the ball drops back and throws it? Yeah, yeah, dude,

1575
01:21:07.079 --> 01:21:07.960
<v Speaker 1>is that one quarterback?

1576
01:21:08.560 --> 01:21:11.159
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember who that was. Guy.

1577
01:21:11.279 --> 01:21:13.720
<v Speaker 1>You see the way he like they he yells hike

1578
01:21:13.840 --> 01:21:15.880
<v Speaker 1>and then he just gets he throws the ball. But

1579
01:21:17.000 --> 01:21:21.560
<v Speaker 1>talking about the rewind out he threw that ball, Yeah,

1580
01:21:22.199 --> 01:21:24.600
<v Speaker 1>you see the way he like stepped back and threw

1581
01:21:24.680 --> 01:21:28.159
<v Speaker 1>the balls. Dude. Yeah, dude, it's the fucking super Bowl

1582
01:21:28.800 --> 01:21:30.399
<v Speaker 1>that he could throw it if.

1583
01:21:30.279 --> 01:21:32.279
<v Speaker 2>You ever watched any sport ever.

1584
01:21:32.840 --> 01:21:34.800
<v Speaker 1>So all right, we're gonna shut her down now and

1585
01:21:34.880 --> 01:21:37.720
<v Speaker 1>get onto the Patreon episode. So thank you so much

1586
01:21:37.800 --> 01:21:41.279
<v Speaker 1>for joining us. Be good and laugh at the dark stuff.

1587
01:21:41.439 --> 01:21:46.720
<v Speaker 1>Hashtag wild man, hashtag wild woman, hashtag wing man. Oh yeah,

1588
01:21:47.439 --> 01:21:52.640
<v Speaker 1>fucking winger winger A winger hardly knewer. So all I'm

1589
01:21:52.680 --> 01:21:55.119
<v Speaker 1>saying is literally all you have to do is show

1590
01:21:55.239 --> 01:21:58.720
<v Speaker 1>up and just find the bitch dead dude, and don't

1591
01:21:58.760 --> 01:22:01.119
<v Speaker 1>tell anyone in prison.

1592
01:22:01.239 --> 01:22:04.319
<v Speaker 2>Like how did that like scheme can take nineteen pages?

1593
01:22:05.119 --> 01:22:05.880
<v Speaker 1>He like drew it.

1594
01:22:06.239 --> 01:22:07.960
<v Speaker 3>All it needed to be was like the hit list

1595
01:22:08.239 --> 01:22:11.439
<v Speaker 3>and like yeah, like it didn't like hire hitman for this,

1596
01:22:11.800 --> 01:22:14.319
<v Speaker 3>hitman for this, Like what were the other nineteen like.

1597
01:22:14.399 --> 01:22:16.840
<v Speaker 1>Half of them are just the captain on our pants

1598
01:22:16.920 --> 01:22:20.520
<v Speaker 1>flip a rama, why is this? He's like, yeah, she's alive.

1599
01:22:20.640 --> 01:22:22.399
<v Speaker 1>Now she's dead, alive dead live dead.

1600
01:22:22.880 --> 01:22:26.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's just like it was nineteen pages because he

1601
01:22:26.159 --> 01:22:27.680
<v Speaker 3>wrote it on like a Calvin and Hobbes.

1602
01:22:27.720 --> 01:22:38.079
<v Speaker 1>But all right, we're shut her down. Yeah, come on

1603
01:22:38.560 --> 01:22:56.840
<v Speaker 1>down is the first calm place to know. Come to

1604
01:22:57.039 --> 01:24:05.880
<v Speaker 1>the father to

1605
01:24:11.079 --> 01:24:11.800
<v Speaker 2>The brothers,