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Speaker 1: This is a podcast from Minute Media.

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Speaker 2: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Shirley You Can't

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Be Serious Podcast. We are here today, ready to dance

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on glass.

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Speaker 3: Got my motorcycle, I got my switchblade. James, We've got

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a handful of grease, so our hair feel's.

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Speaker 4: Right assuming I had hair? Yeah, my hypothetical high art fields.

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Speaker 2: Back once again.

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Speaker 3: We've got our good friend, mister James Buckley, lawyer and

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drummer extraordinaire from Louisiana.

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Speaker 2: James, how you doing today?

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Speaker 4: I'm wonderful guys and during the usual summer heat wave,

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and glad to be back on screen with you fellas.

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Speaker 2: It's good to have you back. I'm excited to hear

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your opinion on this album. We are comparing this album

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to the White Snake nineteen eighty seven album. If you

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want to hear our opinions on those songs and the

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stories behind all of them, please go back and check

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out our last episode. But today we are jumping in

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on Girls, Girls, Girls. We are going to be talking

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about Motley Crue again. We have covered Motley Crue before

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whenever we did Doctor Feel Good versus skid Row skid Row,

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so I went into a great deal of history, so

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you can go back and check that one out on

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our Doctor Feel Good track by track episode. We will

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of course be getting into all kinds of other stories today,

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but this album basically starts off with Nicky six dying

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and being thrown in a dumpster, and then when the

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album's over and the tour is over, he's dead again.

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Speaker 3: Book nded with Nicky Six's death on both sides of

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and that second death is what spawned them to

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finally come clean and record Doctor Feel Good. But this

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is the album that they recorded the opposite of sober,

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whatever that word might be. It is unclean if you will.

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Speaker 3: They were buried in drugs at this time.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 3: The executive producer for this episode is our good new

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friend mister Adam Mshsky.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Adam was the one who had done our

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Shirly showcase last that's right week, and he came on

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we appreciate that donation. It will help us out bringing

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Speaker 3: If you want to join our Patreon go to Patreon

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dot com Slash Shirley podcast. It's been said before that

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there's a lot of filler on this album. The fact

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that they wrote any good songs at all is incredible.

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Speaker 2: Here is what Doug Taylor, their manager. They had Doc

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McGee and Doug Taylor. This is what he said about

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the album. Nicki was normally a talented and prolific songwriter,

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but he just couldn't write enough good songs for girls, girls, girls.

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Do you want the Truth? Tom Werman made that record.

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We even had to include a live track, Jailhouse Rock.

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On the album. Nicki wrote one song in a key

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that Vince couldn't even sing in, and some of his

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lyrics were absolute direk One day he came and wasted

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and he'd written a song called Hollywood Knights that was

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just so bad, really really horrible. Every day heroin Booze

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Zombie does. But I mean, there have been a lot

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of great albums written with all of those factors involved.

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We just have to answer the question, is this one

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of them? Okay, well, we're gonna break it down.

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Speaker 3: This album was released May fifteenth, nineteen eighty seven, so

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just a little bit after the White Snake album was

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released like a month and a half.

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Speaker 2: This album debuted at number two.

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Speaker 3: At number one was Whitney Houston's second album called Whitney

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Yep Nikki six And Doc McGee feels like they got.

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Speaker 2: Screwed on this stale.

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Speaker 3: This is the days when record stores would just kind

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of report back numbers, like we sold this many. There

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wasn't that scan code and all that stuff. And they

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were being told at the time that they were out

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selling everything two to one. And then all of a sudden,

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the Whitney Houston people took all the A and R

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people out on this cruise and vacation and wind and

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dined them and then what do you know, Whitney Houston's

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album is the number one album in the country.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And then later on White Snake has the number

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two album, while Motley Crue has the number three album.

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And so for the Girls Girls Girls Tour, they got

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White Snake into open but White Snake was actually the

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more popular band, and they were originally just going to

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play a few early dates, but Doug Taylor and Doc

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night to ten thousand per night, and so they stayed

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's say that again, because for our younger listeners,

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I might be striking because at that moment, in the

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fall of nineteen eighty seven, White Snake was more popular

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than Motley Crue.

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Speaker 4: James am I wrong, h No, And having seen that tour,

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I understand why White Snake were definitely firing on all cylinders.

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going through the motions except for the you know, obviously,

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the backup girls on stage and Tommy's drum solo. From

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everything I've read, I'm surprised this album was able to

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be recorded at all. I'm pretty sure if it were

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subjected to a drug test it would have failed. That's true.

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Speaker 3: So this album was produced by Tom Warman. This is

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the same guy who produced Stay Hungry by Twisted Sister.

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He did Cocked and Loaded by La Guns. He did

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Shout Out the Devil Theater Payne Motley Crue's previous albums.

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did Cat Scratch Fever by Ted Nugent. He did some

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stuff by Cheap Trick. I mean, this guy was a

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prominent producer at the time.

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Speaker 2: Major player and Duck Taylor says the guy who is

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responsible for this album.

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Speaker 3: Notice he did not come back as producer for Doctor Fielge.

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Speaker 2: No, they were ready to be done with him and

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they had moved on to Bob Rock at that point.

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Speaker 3: Ye, okay, we're ready to dive in track by track.

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Speaker 2: Let's jump in track by track, Coming Hard out of

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the Gate song number one, wild side. Dude, you asked

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me how I was coming on these songs and what

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I thought of the album, and I said, well, you

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got some rockers, you got some skip and you got

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some songs about strippers. This is most definitely a rock.

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Speaker 4: It's one of the best starting tracks ever, one of

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the best Motley Cruz songs. Mick Marris came up with

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just that incredible guitar riff, which you noticed there's no

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guitar solo in the song, which don't really need it,

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because Mick keeps that going standley about the whole song.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that guitar comes in like the revving of an

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engine and then blasts in with Tommy's drums into that

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incredible riff. It is. Mick mars is the driving force

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on this song, and my opinion, number one song on

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the album by far, by far, the number one song

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on the album. Okay, well talk about that.

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Speaker 4: I talked to about seven buddies of mine who were

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all talented guitarists, and to a man, the word they

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used describing Mick Marris was underrated. And I think he

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is definitely the unsung hero of this album.

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Speaker 2: Dude, he is a musical genius. And it's funny because

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knowing that, I mean, he was a little older or

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a lot older, because we don't know whether he's born

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in nineteen fifty or nineteen fifty five. There's like some

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confusion about the year he was born by five years.

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had been through banned after band after band before joining

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these guys, and he had lived in the gutter. I mean,

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he had child support, he had to pay, he had

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a wife he had to support, and he had no

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money and he's living on the streets basically getting rides

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from other people, didn't even have a car. Then he

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joins this band. His skills were on point and remained

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Speaker 3: It seems to me that that gap in time allowed

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him to mature musically. You know, a bunch of young

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punks and then you have a mature guitar player who's

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bringing these great rips.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this song started from an interesting place.

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Speaker 3: You told the story on now Doctor fielget episode.

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Speaker 2: We gotta tell it again. Yeah, okay, so got to

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tell it again. So January of eighty seven, Nikky six

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is watching a young groupie who has come to see

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him over the lunch break put her Catholic school girl

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uniform back on. He said she would come over and

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she was very friendly. And then she's putting a uniform

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Speaker 3: So you do the math, right, seems like she's still

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Speaker 2: That sounds like it would be correct. Yes, I don't

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think any college kids are wearing the Catholic schoolgirl uniforms.

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While she's getting dressed, Nikki's laying there and he says,

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is the Lord's prayer important? And she's like, yeah, of

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course it's important to me, it's important for the whole religion, right,

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on his motorcycle and drops her back off at the

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school and has the nuns scowling at him because obviously

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he is this unwashed, leather bound rocker, and he said,

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Speaker 3: So he actually asked her to show it to him

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in her Bible. Yeah, Nikki six wrote wild Side after

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reading the Lord's Prayer from the Holy Bible.

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Speaker 2: Yep, So that little tryst was January twenty ninth, nineteen

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eighty seven. January thirtieth, nineteen eighty seven. Nikki laid around naked,

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playing guitar and writing music, and he wrote these lyrics,

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our father, who ain't in heaven, be thy name on

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the wild side, Holy merry Mother, May I pray for

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us on the wild side.

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Speaker 4: We start off with a felony and blasphemy. I read

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a review from back in nineteen eighty seven when it

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was released, and some guy in some magazine said the

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problem with this album is it starts off with two

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awesome tracks and it's really hard for the rest even

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compared to it. Well, that's what he talked about. He

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was casually seeing a Catholic schoolgirl. Yeah, I'm not sure

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the law all would see it so casually, but hey, yeah,

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right later. Legal has never been my thing, so.

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Speaker 3: Hey, one thing on Becky. She was the daughter of

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Speaker 3: I tried to find out who that was, Like, who

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Speaker 2: Yeah, could not find it. He goes so far as

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to mention that specifically, but as of yet, nobody knows

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who that is, and that's probably best for him that

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nobody ever find out.

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Speaker 4: Yikes, in our state statue limitations is thirty years, so

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he may be okay losing.

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Speaker 3: Some of the ideas on this song is based on

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the lou Reed song wild Side.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay.

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Speaker 4: I think this from a musical standpoint, this is one

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of the most creative they got on the album because

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you go from two distinct fields. You got that driving

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four on the floor field they played during the verses

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and a lot of solo, and then in a couple

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of parts during the bridge and the closing they pretty

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seamlessly switched to this kind of bouncy shuffle type feel,

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and for the crew to go between two different fields

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like that, I was actually impressed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the album that they certainly inject a

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lot more blues into. You know, initially when they came out,

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they were kind of this combination of punk glam and metal,

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and then they kind of steadily moved into more of

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the glam metal, and by the time they got to

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this album, they had gone to the rougher, you know,

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they took off the makeup and started growing the stubble,

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and now we're kind of the bad boy look and

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more of the blues feel more of a rock metal

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Speaker 3: I remember telling you the story that they would make

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fun of Vince for taking a shower. There were lots

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of times when I read the Heroin Diaries where he

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talks about I went eight days without a shower. I

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went eleven days without a shower. So gross, it's disgusting. Yeah,

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Nikki six said he would go down Sunset Boulevard. He

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had a black Mercedes with dark tinted windows, and he

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would roll down his window and there would be these

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guys on the street corner selling Persian heroin in balloons

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of buying heroin out of a balloon that had been

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in a drug dealer's mouth.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I'm too uptid, puritanical man when I buy my

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hair onin on the streets.

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Speaker 2: Of La I know other places that people keep their

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heroin balloons. Okay, the mouth would definitely be my preferred

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horifice if you will. Were you ready to talk about

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the video, Let's talk about the video.

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Speaker 3: This video was shot in Indianapolis, Yeah, margat Square Arena.

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So they shot this one July eighteenth, nineteen eighty seven.

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for videos. They had him shoot the video and as

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they're about to shoot the.

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Speaker 2: Video, he said, Nicky said what he always says to me,

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I don't want the same old bon jovie. So they

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decided to do a over the top live video of

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their concert. They put cameras on everybody, put one on

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Tommy Lee's revolving. That was the coolest drum I remember.

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I mean I would watch the video just for that.

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I mean, you got the nasty habits out there looking hot.

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because it was so cool what they did. Nicki refused

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to have a camera on him. They took another camera

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and put it inside of a plexiglass bubble like that

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dribble ball. Yeah yeah, well, if you'll remember, that's what

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bon Jovi did too. They did that on another video.

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So he literally was Yes, he literally was stealing these

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ideas and using them for bon joviy, but Motley fans,

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being who they are, they immediately broke the glass the

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camera right. Here's what Wayne Eisham said. He said, the

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problem was that Motley had this thing called the double bubble.

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They'd give you a bottle of Jack Daniels before the

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show and shout double bubble, which meant you had to

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drink straight from the bottle until the bubbles went up twice.

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So I was trying to work the main camera on

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stage faced and Nicki came up behind me and bit

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me really hard in the arm, and suddenly I had

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this searing pain and Nicki was standing in front of

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me laughing his head off. He thought it was the

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funniest thing in the world man to be the guy

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that shoots the Motley Crue videos and have that fame,

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but have to pair it up with the madness of

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that band.

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Speaker 4: Imagine being bit by Nikki six at the time. I

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would need a shot immediately.

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Speaker 2: Seriously, I would do a double bubble from a purel bottle. Hey,

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listen to this.

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Speaker 3: I was watching TV and I came across Sammy Hagar's

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World Tour show. I don't know if you guys seen that.

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And he goes around the interviews musicians and he just

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happened to be talking to Tommy Lee and he was

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asking him specifically about the interesting drum solos and the

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kits and sort of the roller coaster stuff that he

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likes to do. And Tommy Lee said, I went to

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a concert one time and the drummer there was somebody

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that I really loved and respected.

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Speaker 2: His name was Tommy Aldridge. And he said that.

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Speaker 3: That Tommy Aldridge was going crazy on the drums, and

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then that was the time that people got up and

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went to the bathroom and it really bothered him.

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Speaker 2: He's like, man, don't you understand how cool this guy is?

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Speaker 3: Right, but he said there was a problem because it

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was like a wall of drums and you couldn't see

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what he was doing technically, and so he's like, that

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is something I need to fix so people eyes.

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Speaker 2: Will be on me when I dumped. Yeah, I remember that.

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He woke up and he was like, I had this

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dream of a spinning drum set, and by gosh, he

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made a reality.

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Speaker 4: He did. It was amazing to see. And if you

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think about the logistics. You have to have every piece

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of equipment bolted down. He's wearing like an alignment like an

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electrical worker, use harness and a see and having to

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play against gravity, and the guy plays like a madman.

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It was amazing to see.

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Speaker 3: If you have not seen this video, you really owe

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it to yourself to go check it out.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing. It is really amazing, and it does start off.

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You see the Nasty Habits almost immediately off the bat,

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and the story there is they had just hired those

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girls like they hadn't been working for the band very long, right,

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and they were really the only two to two audition

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and Nicki when they got hired, Nicki almost immediately said

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no effing the backup singers, okay, guys, which was a

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little late because Vince had already tried them successfully unsuccessfully.

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But then Emmy Cannon, one of the two Nasty Habits,

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started giving googly eyes to mc mars, and mcmahars fell

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into the palm of her hand like a puddle of water.

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Speaker 3: Nikki said that that one guy that could be trusted

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was Mick. Yeah, you know, and in this case she

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got him hook line and singer, which.

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Speaker 2: Was a problem because she was an employee of the band,

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and so you've got because of the way Mick is,

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you've got an employee leading him around by the nose.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, she passed away a few years ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she passed away in twenty seventeen. They had actually

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they actually got married and were married for like four years.

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Speaker 4: I think, Yeah, I've been trying to figure out why

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the riff is so effective. I think it's because in

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a lot of modern pop music, were used to hearing

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songs and multiples of four one two three four two

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two three four, but this one does it adds an

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extra two beats, So basically the riff stretches out over

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ten beats, and I think that extra little two beats

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of anticipation when it makes it even even more effective

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when it comes back.

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Speaker 3: In second single released August of nineteen eighty seven.

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Speaker 2: What was the first single, Jason, Let's go on to

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the first single.

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Speaker 3: That song was called Girls, Girls, Girls, And what.

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Speaker 4: You gotta love about this song is, I mean they

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always say you're supposed to write what you know. I mean,

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it's a pretty simple, straightforward rock. The enthusiasm that comes

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through about the subject matter on this song.

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Speaker 2: This is the song that caused me to start listening

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to Motley Kirr. To be specific, this was the video

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that I saw and I said, I really really like

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Motley Krer. I think they have some really good music.

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Speaker 4: Like a trip down Memory Lane.

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Speaker 2: Huh, Like we said.

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Speaker 3: This was the first single disreach number twelve on the

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Hot one hundred.

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Speaker 2: This became the stripper anthem because it's literally a song

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about strippers.

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Speaker 4: You know, I always hear about people going to Major

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League Baseball parks, trying to make it a thing to

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see every major park. It was wondered if someone's ever

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done like stripper log instead of a travel log. I

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tried to see all these clubs in one trip.

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Speaker 3: So you teed me up right there. So I've got

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to tell you about all the strip joints that are

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name checked in this song real quick.

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Speaker 2: All right, you guys ready for this? Yes, here you go.

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Speaker 3: The Dollhouse in for Lauderdale. They hung out there in

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nineteen eighty four during the Theater of Pain tour. Tattletales

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Lounge is in Atlanta. Interesting thing about this. In two

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thousand and nine, one of the dancers claim to have

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hooked up with Josh Duhamel guy who is married to Fergie.

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He's an actor, had some controversy there. You've got the

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Seventh Veil in La this is still open. This is

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actually where the music video was filmed. And according to

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one dancer, there's still tons of cocaine passing through the

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Seventh Veil.

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Speaker 2: No. Yes, Crazy Horse in Paris, France.

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Speaker 4: It's still open.

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Speaker 3: Celebrity sidings at Crazy Horse, Paris, France. You're ready for this,

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Scarlett Johansson, Rihanna, Lona del Rey, Robin Thick, Kevin Costner.

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This is like that place that Clark goes to with

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Ellen in European vacation. Kind of a fancier place.

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Speaker 2: It's one of the landmarks.

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Speaker 5: It is.

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Speaker 2: You go to the Louver, you go to the Eiffel Tower.

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Crazy Horse, Crazy Horse. All right.

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Speaker 3: You've got the body Shop in La you can tell

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by the giant sign outside that says girls, Girls Girls.

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Then you've got the Marble Arch in Vancouver. Tommy Lee

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and Vince Neil had their own VIP section in this place.

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It has been closed and condemned. It looks like bombs

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went off at this place after it's heyday in the eighties.

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It was purchased and turned into a cleaner karaoke club

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run by Mormons. This new rebranding didn't work. Imagine that

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they even invited Motley Crue to come check it out.

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Speaker 2: Guess who didn't show.

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Speaker 3: Up, Molly Crue. Okay, lastly, you have the Tropic Cana.

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Vince lost his heart in Tropic Canno. It's known for

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oil wrestling and mud wrestling.

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Speaker 2: So there you go. So April twelfth, nineteen eighty seven,

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Tommy Lee, Wayne Eisham, and Nikki six are doing a

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tour to find the perfect place to shoot the Girls

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Girls Girls video, and Nicky points out, Wayne really gets

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where we come from. It's just a shame that that

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bastard steals our ideas for Bonjo. So they shot the

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video at the Seventh Vale. When they got done shooting

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at Seventh Veil, they said, okay, let's go over to

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Wayne's studio. We're gonna shoot some insert shots at the

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studio location. And so Wayne is with Tommy and one

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limo and Nicky is left in another limo and Wayne says,

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you know what, let's stop at this Mexican food place

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and gets some shooters and Tommy's like, all right, man

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shooters and strippers. And so when they walk in the door,

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Nicky six is already there with a line of shooters

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and he looks up and he's like, what are you

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guys doing here? It wasn't a line of shooters for them.

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He had no idea they were coming. It was all

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for him, because Nicky doesn't go halfway. He goes zero

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or ten. That's it.

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Speaker 3: You know you mentioned the unedited version. They actually sent

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the unedited version to MTV and said this is our

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video for girls, girls girls, knowing full well that they

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were going to reject it.

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Speaker 2: So what happens. Sure enough, MTV rejects it.

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Speaker 3: They send in the video they actually want, and that's

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the one that we got.

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Speaker 2: It worked, It worked. It was the number one video.

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Like they had some sort of Battle of the Bands

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or whatever it's like TV, right, yes, something like that,

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where they won and then they won again, and they

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won again, in like fourteen times in a row they won,

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and I really we won again, and so finally MTV

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just took him off. It wasn't even that they lost.

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They took him off and they established what was called

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the crew rule. You can't go more than what I

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guess fourteen times before you're done.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, as usual. Some parts of Vince's lyrics always make

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me perk up my ears. Like he says, talks about

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someone telling him a story, and I've always wondered what

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story you wanted the stripper to tell him. I always

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pictured some obscure Doctor Seuss, but like, oh, the strip

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clubs you will see or something like that, it doesn't

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give as much clue beyond that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I've got a question for you guys. Do you

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all know who Marjorie and Orban is? No?

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Speaker 2: Did you come across this?

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Speaker 4: I did not, Okay.

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Speaker 3: Marjorie and Orban is one of the girls in the video.

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She worked at the Dollhouse in for Lauderdale. In two

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thousand and nine, she was convicted of murder for her

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husband Jay. So here's the deal. Jay Orban was found

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in the desert wrapped in a trash bag. She cut

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him up like they cut him up, headless, armless, legless,

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torso and put in like a giant cooler and buried

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in the desert. She was seen buying the equipment for

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the murder. So actually, one of the girls in the

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video is doing life in prison for killing her husband cooler.

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Speaker 2: Really glad that you explained that, because I thought, man,

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he has to be a really small guy to fit

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inside of a cooler. That is torso oh.

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Speaker 3: When they were interviewing the girls to appear in this video,

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Wayne Aisham said, there's a lot of beautiful girls, but

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a lot of them couldn't dance, so they they're dancing

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was not up to standards. So actually, the girl in

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the fishnet stockings at the very.

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Speaker 2: Beginning of the video, she is a hired dancer. I

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can just imagine somebody turning off the video. Oh my gosh,

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these girls can't dance.

473
00:22:59,759 --> 00:23:01,599
Speaker 4: Was a toe drag or whatever.

474
00:23:03,319 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 3: Hey, I do have one story about this. So they

475
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,880
were working on the song before the video and Mick

476
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,119
Mars wasn't really happy with the riff that he had

477
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,519
come up with, and so he had talked to Nicky

478
00:23:12,519 --> 00:23:14,599
and he said, hey, man, I'm gonna tweak that riff.

479
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,200
And he goes, I'm gonna do an eight ball cocaine

480
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:18,960
tonight and when I come back in the morning, i'm

481
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:19,880
gonna have a better riff.

482
00:23:20,319 --> 00:23:22,599
Speaker 2: Sure enough, that worked, and here we go.

483
00:23:23,279 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 4: You always hear about Steven Tower and Joe Pierre say,

484
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,400
and they consume the gross national product of Columbia or

485
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,880
whatever back in there. You gotta wonder what the crew consumed.

486
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, Nicky six by himself was a force to be

487
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,559
wrecked with Tommy Lee at least had to work around

488
00:23:38,559 --> 00:23:45,920
Heather Lockler's schedule, Oh mom's home stuff off. Straighten up everybody.

489
00:23:46,039 --> 00:23:48,759
Speaker 4: A lot of people don't realize Tommy Lee is kind

490
00:23:48,759 --> 00:23:50,920
of a savantal drums. He's not like a Neil Peart

491
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,240
type player, but he always seems to find something cool

492
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:54,680
to spice up every song.

493
00:23:54,839 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 2: He would find the soul of that song in the drums.

494
00:23:57,599 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 4: Friend of mine named Kyrie Smith made me a set

495
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,599
recording the first Shout at the Devil album my freshman

496
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,839
year in high school, and I was just starting to

497
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,160
play drums still at that time. I spent way too

498
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,960
much time trying to figure out those tracks, obviously when

499
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,960
my mom wasn't around, because they won't have to explain

500
00:24:13,079 --> 00:24:14,839
Shouting at the Devil.

501
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 3: It's at mom at. I was gonna make mention there's

502
00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:32,720
a scene in the video where Vince actually throws the

503
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,200
girl over his shoulder and is carrying her out. That

504
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,559
is shrise, Neil. They actually got married. Oh my gosh,

505
00:24:38,599 --> 00:24:39,480
he married that girl.

506
00:24:39,759 --> 00:24:43,039
Speaker 2: Okay, she's actually the mother of Skyler Neil, the girl

507
00:24:43,039 --> 00:24:46,400
who developed cancer and died. All right, we'd bring it down. Well,

508
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,279
I'm sorry about that, okay. Can I tell you the

509
00:24:49,279 --> 00:24:51,640
story of how Wayne met the guys from Motley Crew?

510
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 4: Sure?

511
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 2: Okay. So he was a stage manager for the A

512
00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:00,599
and M soundstage in LA and Motley came into shoot

513
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,279
the Shout at the Devil video. Before the video, all

514
00:25:03,319 --> 00:25:05,079
the members of the band are like, we need some

515
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,720
Jack Daniels. What nobody had anything except for Wayne. Wayne.

516
00:25:08,759 --> 00:25:11,559
He's like, I got a bottle of jack in my office. Actually,

517
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,200
I'm like, okay, great, he said, first video, and they

518
00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:20,680
drank his entire body before this shoot. But it was

519
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,279
a great meeting because the very first video that he

520
00:25:23,319 --> 00:25:25,599
shot for them was the smoking in the Boys Room

521
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,279
video and then Home Sweet Home, both of which really

522
00:25:28,319 --> 00:25:31,240
put them on the map as far as MTV is concerned.

523
00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:34,319
But again, he routinely had to deal with Nicki complaining

524
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,920
about stealing his stuff for bon Jovi, and at one

525
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:42,519
point Nicki actually sucker punched him and said, f you, Wayne,

526
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,000
stop stealing our stuff.

527
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 4: I saw the crew twice, first back in eighty seven

528
00:25:47,759 --> 00:25:49,880
and a second time in two thousand and six, one

529
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,559
of their reunion tours, when my wife was eight months pregnant,

530
00:25:52,559 --> 00:25:55,960
which may explain when my daughter loves that's a medal

531
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,119
and all. I think they played both of these songs

532
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,640
Wildside and Girls Girls Girls both shows.

533
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,519
Speaker 3: These two right out of the gate are bangers.

534
00:26:04,039 --> 00:26:05,799
Speaker 2: Yep, so what have we got for number three?

535
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 3: The third song on the album is a song called

536
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,119
Dancing on Glass.

537
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 2: The beginning of this song makes me feel like you're

538
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,319
about to introduce me to the villain in some sort

539
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:31,720
of dark nineties movie. Okay, it's just thirty. It's like

540
00:26:31,799 --> 00:26:33,640
you get ready to be introduced to the devil.

541
00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:36,759
Speaker 3: The story behind this song you can tell by the words.

542
00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:40,559
It's very autobiographical, right right, So you've got things like

543
00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:45,079
found Me in the trash, Silverspoon and needle, Witchy, tombstone, smile,

544
00:26:45,319 --> 00:26:47,720
and I Engrave my veins with style.

545
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,079
Speaker 2: Yeah. The full line is Valentine's in London, found Me

546
00:26:52,200 --> 00:27:03,960
in the trash. That is a reference to that I

547
00:27:04,039 --> 00:27:08,599
mentioned before February nineteen eighty six. He's getting some drugs

548
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,480
from a hyped out druggie and when he does them

549
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,200
and dies the drug, he panics and throws him into

550
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:16,799
a dumpster.

551
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 3: Even before he throws him in the trash she beats

552
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,440
him to death with a baseball bat. Because the guy

553
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,839
doesn't know what to do, and to try to revive him,

554
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,440
he thumps him with a baseball bat.

555
00:27:26,839 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 2: I think they teach that in CPR.

556
00:27:29,319 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 3: Actually turned blue and he woke up in the trash bin.

557
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:47,519
And then does he stop? No, he doesn't stop.

558
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,319
Speaker 4: I remember reading that this song was written after the

559
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,599
band or management or somebody had a little intervention. They

560
00:28:01,599 --> 00:28:03,680
had some counselor waiting to meet up with him. Of

561
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,279
course Nicki stomped out, but the councilor following him and

562
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,279
told him said, look, I can help you kick heroin

563
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,480
without going to rehab. And they went to his house,

564
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,480
throughout all the needles and other parafernalia laying around, and

565
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,240
Nicky said he sat down and wrote this song that night.

566
00:28:16,319 --> 00:28:18,319
Speaker 3: Bob Timmins was actually the guy that night.

567
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 2: He wrote Dancing on Glass.

568
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,519
Speaker 4: One of the biggest problems I had with this album.

569
00:28:21,559 --> 00:28:23,079
And there are a lot of things I like. There's

570
00:28:23,079 --> 00:28:25,200
a lot of times the lyrics seem a bit just

571
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,319
thrown out there. They didn't put a lot of thought

572
00:28:27,319 --> 00:28:29,119
into him. It's not the case on this song. I

573
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,119
think this contains some of Nicki's best lyrics on the album.

574
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,519
Speaker 2: There's some really good lyrics on here, and because, like

575
00:28:34,559 --> 00:28:36,319
you said, they are writing what they know, and this

576
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,039
was this was his life at that point. Apparently, the

577
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,839
July fifth show in eighty seven in Memphis, they're playing

578
00:28:42,839 --> 00:28:45,440
this song and during the song, a guy in the

579
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,359
crowd froze a bundle of drugs onto the stage and

580
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,799
then mimes shooting up at Nicky as if it were

581
00:28:52,839 --> 00:28:54,799
a you know, thank you or something.

582
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:55,319
Speaker 4: Yeah.

583
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 2: Later on that night he says, I have a story

584
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:02,680
about a girl, a banana and some leftover fireworks, but

585
00:29:02,759 --> 00:29:06,799
I'm too tired to tell it. My imagination just ran

586
00:29:06,839 --> 00:29:07,799
wild of that one.

587
00:29:08,079 --> 00:29:11,039
Speaker 3: The interesting thing to me on this song is it's

588
00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:14,240
you have lyrics like I've been through hell and I'm

589
00:29:14,279 --> 00:29:17,599
never going back, and then like right after that, I

590
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,160
need one more rush than I know, I know I'll stop,

591
00:29:20,279 --> 00:29:22,880
and so it's very similar to those feelings of I'm

592
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,400
totally quitting, I'm out, I'm never doing this again, and

593
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,319
then ten minutes later they're like, need another rush.

594
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, this was a gritty song. In some ways. It

595
00:29:30,319 --> 00:29:32,559
took me back to the too Fast for Love shout

596
00:29:32,559 --> 00:29:34,279
at the Devil era of course. Then we go to

597
00:29:34,319 --> 00:29:36,799
our gospel interlude, which took me by shock the first

598
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:37,559
time I heard it.

599
00:29:39,799 --> 00:29:42,559
Speaker 2: I thought, these first three songs, they're gritty, they're kind

600
00:29:42,599 --> 00:29:46,400
of sleazy, they're kind of dirty, they're almost pre appetite

601
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,119
for destruction under belly of La type of feel. Yeah,

602
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,559
it's funny because this was before Guns n' Roses hit big,

603
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,519
but he was already friends with Slash. He talks about

604
00:29:56,519 --> 00:29:58,880
how Slash had this band that they'd put together and

605
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,920
they really hadn't hit it big get and he said,

606
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,279
I want to get you guys an opening slot on

607
00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:06,759
our show. But at that point they had White Snake

608
00:30:06,799 --> 00:30:08,839
opening for him, but he was ready to get rid

609
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,720
of them and get Slash and Axel doing the opening set.

610
00:30:12,759 --> 00:30:14,720
If you hear the story from our other Motley Crue

611
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:19,160
episode about the second death of Nikki six, Slash was

612
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,880
there and freaking out and actually got punched out by

613
00:30:23,079 --> 00:30:23,920
his girlfriend.

614
00:30:25,359 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 3: Check out our Doctor Phil Good episode for that story.

615
00:30:27,559 --> 00:30:29,759
Speaker 4: And I did a little research that's out of curiosity.

616
00:30:30,079 --> 00:30:33,000
It appears that The girl doing the backup gospel vocals

617
00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:36,640
was named Phyllis Saint James. Okay, Motown had a pretty

618
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,279
extensive Motown pedigree, which has also done vocals for like

619
00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:42,920
backing vocals I think for Paul Young and Pink Floyd

620
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,359
on occasion. So she had some serious gospel chops. It

621
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,759
was just interesting to hear here hers throwing into.

622
00:30:48,559 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 2: A crew song. Yeah, sweet Chiva, you are my Jesus

623
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:54,359
this witch. Yeah.

624
00:30:54,359 --> 00:30:56,279
Speaker 4: And I had no idea what Chieva was at the time,

625
00:30:56,359 --> 00:30:58,920
being a you know, boy growing up in rural North Louisiana.

626
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,839
Interesting that with a slang term for heroe.

627
00:31:02,119 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 2: All right, anything else on this one? To me? This

628
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,200
is number three song on the album. Number one is

629
00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:09,759
number one, number two is number two, and number three

630
00:31:09,799 --> 00:31:10,720
is number three. Okay.

631
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 3: Song number four is called bad Boy Boogie.

632
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,519
Speaker 2: Well they're coming strong with the blues on this one,

633
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,000
Yeah they are. I enjoyed this song a lot. Not

634
00:31:39,079 --> 00:31:40,960
quite a rocker, but not a skipper either.

635
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,039
Speaker 3: It's not a skipper, absolutely not dans.

636
00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:44,039
Speaker 2: Where are you with this one? Man?

637
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 4: Usually it's a skipper. I don't know. It just felt

638
00:31:46,519 --> 00:31:49,440
too formulaic at this point. There's some fun parts to

639
00:31:49,559 --> 00:31:52,559
it like the drums are fun, Mick Morris plays great,

640
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,960
but it just was almost like a mad Libs sleazy

641
00:31:56,039 --> 00:32:00,559
lyric song. Although you know, all this talk of pies

642
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:05,240
and puny jars and thirty eight and all that sounds

643
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,319
like you're singing about Jessica Rabbit. But I don't know.

644
00:32:08,519 --> 00:32:09,519
Speaker 2: Hey, I look this up.

645
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,839
Speaker 3: Thirty eight twenty eight, thirty eight is clearly measurements, right,

646
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,799
giant boob, small waist, big butt.

647
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 4: Right.

648
00:32:16,759 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 3: So I looked up Anna Nicole Smith when she did

649
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,039
Playboy in May of nineteen ninety two. Her measurements were

650
00:32:22,079 --> 00:32:30,079
thirty six twenty six thirty eight.

651
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,279
Speaker 2: So pretty close lot, as close as you can do. Okay.

652
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,319
Speaker 3: The lyrics of this song will featured in a prominent

653
00:32:47,599 --> 00:32:50,400
advertising campaign a few years ago.

654
00:32:50,839 --> 00:32:54,039
Speaker 2: Any guesses on the company you got me? Okay?

655
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 3: The lyric goes, We're innocent in every way like apple

656
00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:59,240
Pie and Chevrolet.

657
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,039
Speaker 2: It was on a Chevrolet commercial.

658
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,319
Speaker 3: Okaye, better lock up your daughters when the Motley's hit

659
00:33:06,359 --> 00:33:06,759
the road.

660
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 2: No truer words have ever been spoken. Okay, So I

661
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,839
gotta tell an on the road story, all right, Yes, okay,

662
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,680
so we got Fred Saunders, Yes right, So Fred Saunders

663
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,200
was the former Hell's Angel who they had as their

664
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:25,200
head of security, and Fred would routinely have to enact

665
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:30,079
security upon them. He broke Tommy Lee's nose. He broke

666
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,799
Nicky Six's ribs at one point because he was out

667
00:33:32,799 --> 00:33:35,279
of control. And he said, and I routinely beat out

668
00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:37,640
of Vince Neil because well he's an asshole.

669
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,839
Speaker 3: This is called fun and nineteen eighty seven.

670
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,079
Speaker 2: I don't know why these guys got a bad boy rep.

671
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 4: When I started listening to this album, I really did

672
00:34:08,039 --> 00:34:10,679
try to keep just a track of lyrical felonies. I

673
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,039
gave up after the first.

674
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 3: Oh, we're about to get into some of the more

675
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:17,239
serious felonies.

676
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 2: That sounds like that sounds like a great band name

677
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,119
right there. We're the lyrical felonies.

678
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:23,119
Speaker 3: That's pretty good.

679
00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 4: You write that down.

680
00:34:25,519 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 2: Moving on to one of the more interesting songs on this.

681
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 6: Album musically, it's interesting the way it's recorded.

682
00:34:55,599 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 4: And I'm not going to say something bad about a

683
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:58,719
song about someone's grandmother.

684
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,599
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, Nikki six had a horrible relationship with

685
00:35:02,639 --> 00:35:05,679
his mother. We mentioned she kind of went through men

686
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,239
routinely and would run off with men and leave him

687
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,519
with basically strangers, and so he ended up being raised

688
00:35:12,519 --> 00:35:16,840
by his grandparents quite a bit, Tom Reese and no Noah,

689
00:35:17,519 --> 00:35:20,760
and No Noah was a mother figure for him that

690
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,880
he did not have. He truly loved her deeply. And

691
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,519
then I believe it was in eighty five or eighty

692
00:35:26,559 --> 00:35:30,599
six she passed away, but he was so strung out

693
00:35:30,639 --> 00:35:33,400
at that point he could not force himself to go

694
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,039
to her funeral. And he was so depressed about the

695
00:35:37,039 --> 00:35:39,239
fact that he was this strung out that he sat

696
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,440
down and while watching TV wrote this song. Tom was

697
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,400
the good old boy granddad that would take him hunting

698
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,400
and fishing and stuff like that. He actually eventually came

699
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,239
out to see Nicki a few times and after the

700
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,199
funeral and everything, and he Nicki would try to clean

701
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,960
himself up, but basically could only get to the stage

702
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,480
where he would just do a little bit of drugs

703
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,360
to get him through instead of the mountain that he

704
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,360
would normally do. And he was trying to hide it

705
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,039
from Tom, but Tom knew better. But Tom said, you know,

706
00:36:07,159 --> 00:36:09,840
I can't fix him. He's going to choose to fix himself,

707
00:36:10,039 --> 00:36:12,360
he said. So he'd be kind of strung out and

708
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,280
people would come to the door, and I'd just let

709
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,840
him in. Usually it was girls, and unless they looked

710
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,760
too darn young, I wouldn't let those girls in, or

711
00:36:21,039 --> 00:36:22,760
if they were drug dealers, and then I would tell

712
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,760
them they got to go, he said. One old boy

713
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,320
got a little persistent until I waved a shotgun in

714
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,440
his face. He didn't come back again after that.

715
00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, with songs like this, I mean, you get the

716
00:36:32,039 --> 00:36:35,000
idea that there's a pretty keen melodic and musical sense

717
00:36:35,039 --> 00:36:38,119
lurking behind Nicki and probably the other guys. They don't

718
00:36:38,159 --> 00:36:39,480
show it all the time, but when they did, it

719
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,159
really makes you wonder what they could have done. They

720
00:36:41,159 --> 00:36:43,000
didn't have so much hero whin in their blood system

721
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:43,440
at the time.

722
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, well what they could have done was Doctor Fielder,

723
00:36:46,679 --> 00:36:48,599
which was the number one album that they had, So

724
00:36:48,679 --> 00:36:50,760
there you go. I'm not sure if it was this song,

725
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:55,480
but in January, just a little while before he had

726
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,320
the little tryst with Becky from Wildside, he showed up

727
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:04,880
to practice, started teaching Tommy and Mick this song and

728
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,320
then Tommy's like, dude, what's on your hand? And it

729
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,599
was that his veins had all collapsed and that it

730
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,760
just looked so bad that it looked like he had

731
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,599
been had this weird tattoo or something. And he got

732
00:37:15,679 --> 00:37:17,400
up and he's like, I got to the bathroom and

733
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,000
then he didn't come back. So he comes back in

734
00:37:20,039 --> 00:37:22,519
on the next day. He sits down and he starts

735
00:37:22,599 --> 00:37:24,840
teaching him this new song that he's written, and he's

736
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,079
like and they were really getting it, and then I realized, oh,

737
00:37:28,119 --> 00:37:29,960
this is the same song I was trying to teach

738
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,880
them yesterday. It's a bad shit It's a bad shite hit.

739
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,159
Speaker 3: Stop on your tape player, kick it out, flip it

740
00:37:37,199 --> 00:37:40,320
over side too. And we start off with a song

741
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:41,559
called five Years Dead.

742
00:37:58,639 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 2: Okay, So as we were doing our text exchange over

743
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,000
the week, I gave you a hot take on this

744
00:38:04,039 --> 00:38:07,519
one and I said, I think this is the most

745
00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:11,159
underrated song on the album. I also said it sounds

746
00:38:11,199 --> 00:38:13,880
a whole lot like another song that was big in

747
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:23,239
nineteen eighty seven, Right, you remember what I said.

748
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 3: It sounded line Once Bitten Twice Shy by great Way.

749
00:38:26,519 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got the same rhythm. It's obviously got you know,

750
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,079
heavy crunchy guitars instead of the piano that Once Bitten has.

751
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:39,199
But if you listen to five Years Dead and then

752
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:44,159
you sing mam Ma. It's the same melody. Yeah, and

753
00:38:44,199 --> 00:38:47,840
they both have that same bluesy style about them. These

754
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:49,559
two songs are super close.

755
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 3: I almost fell over when you said that, because you

756
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:52,400
nailed it.

757
00:38:52,599 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 4: This is another one of those songs that have grown

758
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,960
on me after repeated listening over the last few days. Musically,

759
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,360
it's fun to listen to Mick Moore's is in some

760
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,280
cool bluesy metal stuff when his guitar Tommy Lee doing

761
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,480
the cool drum breaks. I wouldn't put this in the

762
00:39:05,519 --> 00:39:07,679
top tier on the album, but it's definitely crept into

763
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:08,360
my top five.

764
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 2: Wow. See this is a skipper for me. Oh my gosh,

765
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:12,800
this is a skipper.

766
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 3: It's okay, it just doesn't stand out from the crowd.

767
00:39:16,559 --> 00:39:19,519
Speaker 2: I think if they had released this one and released

768
00:39:19,519 --> 00:39:21,920
it before once Bit and everybody went like great Whites

769
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,320
just to knockoff of five Years Dead, that's the real song. Okay,

770
00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:28,599
You're entrance by sixty sou from Hong Kong or what? Well,

771
00:39:29,039 --> 00:39:33,719
who wouldn't be So here's the story. February nineteenth, nineteen

772
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,599
eighty seven, Nikki six goes to an antique bookstore and

773
00:39:37,679 --> 00:39:40,800
picks up a book called five Years Dead, and he

774
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,000
said it just seemed kind of fitting. And then he says,

775
00:39:43,079 --> 00:39:46,199
what is it about antiques that intrigues me? There's a

776
00:39:46,199 --> 00:39:49,320
feeling of history, a story not so plain to see

777
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,199
that it seeps from the wood. It somehow makes me

778
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,719
feel comfortable. I almost bought an old coffin today, but

779
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,960
I couldn't think of where to keep it in this house. Wow,

780
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,280
maybe he should go live with Phil Spector, that old

781
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:09,400
glass coffin Phil Spector. So that was February nineteenth. February twentieth,

782
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,000
four in the morning. So I've started writing a song

783
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:15,280
called five Years Dead. I guess it's another attempt at

784
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,719
capturing what Aerosmith did on their first album. What a

785
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,480
great record. It brings back all the best and worst

786
00:40:21,519 --> 00:40:25,360
memories of Seattle. How I survived those days, I'll never know.

787
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,400
So thinking about Aerosmith and this kind of bluesy style,

788
00:40:29,519 --> 00:40:32,199
I can definitely hear the similarities. Yeah, I agree.

789
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 4: Lyrically, it's an interesting turn of phrase. It sounds like

790
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,679
they're given some sort of scenario where somebody's in jail

791
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,920
for another one of those lyrical felonies we discussed, But

792
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,960
it's down there away for five years. Is the phrase

793
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,400
five years dead seems like an interesting way of describing

794
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:47,039
that situation.

795
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's interesting because, just like you mentioned just

796
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,800
a second ago, he mentions himself, He's like, we recorded

797
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,960
five years dead today and it sounds badass. I don't

798
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,760
know how I'm writing songs like this when I'm this

799
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,039
close to dying. I wonder what it would be like

800
00:41:03,079 --> 00:41:04,440
if I were writing songs straight.

801
00:41:04,639 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 7: Wow.

802
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 3: Here's a quote from Nikki six On this one. The

803
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,760
lyrics are very raw. Wild Side Girls, Girls, Girls, and

804
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,400
five years Dead are great examples where I felt like

805
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:14,400
I really kneeled it.

806
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 2: There you go, Okay, all right, here we go.

807
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 3: Second song on side two, this song called All in

808
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:20,840
the Name.

809
00:41:20,679 --> 00:41:48,559
Speaker 2: Of talk about lyrical felonies.

810
00:41:50,119 --> 00:41:52,159
Speaker 4: If this song were a person who could not go

811
00:41:52,199 --> 00:41:54,360
within one hundred yards of certain schools.

812
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,519
Speaker 3: All right, you know who this song is written about, right, No,

813
00:42:00,039 --> 00:42:01,800
I'm about to blow your doors off man.

814
00:42:02,039 --> 00:42:04,599
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the first line of the song is she's

815
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:15,519
only fifteen. She's the reason, the reason I can't sleep.

816
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,639
This song is written about Tracy Lord's.

817
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 3: One of the most infamous porn stars in history.

818
00:42:23,199 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 2: Tracy Lords had gone to Hollywood to become a star

819
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:31,000
at fifteen years old. She convinced the porn directors that

820
00:42:31,039 --> 00:42:32,719
she was old enough to be in the show.

821
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,760
Speaker 3: Right, Well, she just happened to be in the July

822
00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:40,039
nineteen eighty four Penthouse magazine that just so happened to

823
00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:44,320
be the one that featured pictures from Vanessa Williams Miss America,

824
00:42:44,519 --> 00:42:48,519
and so that had so much staying power. Bob GUCCIONI

825
00:42:48,679 --> 00:42:51,519
made fourteen million dollars from that issue alone.

826
00:42:51,559 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 4: Wow, fourteen year old at the time, I could neither

827
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,360
confirm nor deny that that.

828
00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 2: But well, I've mentioned the cousins of California, of the

829
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,360
twins that I went and saw the rated our movies

830
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,559
with at a very young age. They also had a

831
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,880
large collection of magazines, and I may have seen one

832
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,679
of I may have seen that Vanessa Williams inadvertently. Yes,

833
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,199
that's right. I can neither confirm nor tonight.

834
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 4: Lash back to the top Gun series. Wasn't it Terry

835
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,559
Nunn from Berlin who also had a similar fifteen year

836
00:43:22,559 --> 00:43:23,480
old experience or.

837
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 2: Something that's exactly right, almost exactly eight years before.

838
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 3: Yes, Verry Nunn, lead singer of Berlin who sang take

839
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,360
My Breath away. Go back to our top Gun soundtrack

840
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:34,119
episode check.

841
00:43:34,039 --> 00:43:34,280
Speaker 2: Out on it.

842
00:43:34,639 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 3: Okay, so we talked about how Children of the Night

843
00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:40,039
is a song designed to start concerts. All in the

844
00:43:40,119 --> 00:43:43,519
Name Of is a song designed to start concerts. In fact,

845
00:43:43,639 --> 00:43:46,800
this was the opening track for the Motley Cruez segment

846
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,119
of the Moscow Peace Festival when Motley Crue and Scorpions

847
00:43:50,119 --> 00:43:53,360
and bon Jovi and skid Row and Cinderella and Gorky

848
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,840
Park went over and played this massive concert in Moscow.

849
00:43:57,119 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 4: Scorpions should have written a song about that.

850
00:44:01,679 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 2: Well, the CIA did. We need to talk about that sometimes.

851
00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 3: If you guys have ever seen the movie Like Father,

852
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,400
Like Son starring Dudley Moore and Kirk Cameron, dropped in

853
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,639
nineteen eighty seven, is one of those body switch movies,

854
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,400
right ye, kind of like Vice Versa and Freaky Friday and.

855
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,079
Speaker 2: Some of those eighteen again eighteen again, there's a lot

856
00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:23,880
of them, right yeah.

857
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 3: In the movie Like Father, Like Son, they use this

858
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,039
song All in the Name Of and they also use Wildside.

859
00:44:29,079 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 4: Wildside got used. I've seen it in the office and

860
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,079
other places. It's been all over the place.

861
00:44:34,159 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.

862
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 4: If y'all see me twirling the drumsticks in the background.

863
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,159
I do because we're mentioning Tommy Lee.

864
00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:42,199
Speaker 2: When I was.

865
00:44:42,199 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 4: Younger, I taped the videos off MTV for Looks to

866
00:44:46,119 --> 00:44:48,360
Kill and Too Young to Fall in Love, and I

867
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,480
would pause them over and over to watch the spot

868
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,800
where he just looks at the camera and goes like that.

869
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,440
I said, okay, one day, one day, gentlemen, I will

870
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,679
do that. And it's easy to fake, but it looks

871
00:44:58,719 --> 00:44:59,960
so cool when you did it in the video.

872
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 2: Well done. I told you guys that I was watching

873
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,760
the Dirt last night, you know, for research purposes. Yeah,

874
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,199
for sure, And before my daughter walked in, I had

875
00:45:08,199 --> 00:45:11,159
to stop half like, but that's a great scene where

876
00:45:11,159 --> 00:45:13,119
he sits down and starts talking to Nicky for the

877
00:45:13,119 --> 00:45:15,119
first time, and he's got his drumstick with him and

878
00:45:15,159 --> 00:45:18,079
he starts twirling it around. And Nikki's like, where'd you

879
00:45:18,159 --> 00:45:19,760
learn to do that? And He's like, I was in

880
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:20,480
Marching band.

881
00:45:23,199 --> 00:45:24,639
Speaker 3: I have got a road story. Can I tell this

882
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:25,239
road story?

883
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 4: Sure? Okay.

884
00:45:26,679 --> 00:45:31,280
Speaker 3: So they did all kinds of crazy stuff. One particular night,

885
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,599
Nikki talked about how all four guys from the band

886
00:45:33,639 --> 00:45:36,320
went down to the hotel lobby bar. They pulled out

887
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:40,159
their white snakes and laid them on the bar. They

888
00:45:40,199 --> 00:45:41,920
poured Jack Daniels over all.

889
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 4: Four.

890
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 2: You know you mean my Johnson? You're Johnson.

891
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 3: They lived on fire, okay, And the next the next morning,

892
00:45:53,679 --> 00:45:56,719
Nicki six couldn't understand why he was missing hair.

893
00:45:58,079 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 2: His pubes were burned off.

894
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,760
Speaker 3: If we had a if we had a manscaped episode,

895
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,440
that would be a great tie in right there.

896
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,079
Speaker 2: So you mentioned guns and Roses. His deal with Slash,

897
00:46:11,079 --> 00:46:13,639
He's like, I love Slash, but he would always piss

898
00:46:13,679 --> 00:46:16,679
my bed, like he would get so blitzed out drunk,

899
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,559
he would piss the bed and he goes. And one

900
00:46:19,639 --> 00:46:21,880
night when we were on tour together, he goes in

901
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:23,599
the hotel room. He can't even make it up to

902
00:46:23,639 --> 00:46:25,920
his room. He's so drunk. He falls asleep on the

903
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:29,840
couch and pisses the couch. Then he wakes up and

904
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:35,239
he realizes he's in the wrong hotel, so he has

905
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,360
to get out. It's freezing cold outside, and he's wandering

906
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,880
around in the streets with free with basically no clothes

907
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,639
on and his pants wet with piss and it's freezing cold.

908
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 3: I listened to a story last night, Nikki six, talking

909
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,800
about how he woke up hungover, not sure what happened.

910
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,159
When he puts the clues together, it's kind of like

911
00:46:54,199 --> 00:46:57,159
the hangover. He realized that he saw Fred Sanders' bed

912
00:46:57,199 --> 00:46:58,280
in half and tried.

913
00:46:58,119 --> 00:47:01,119
Speaker 2: To push the couch up with them. Oh my gosh,

914
00:47:01,199 --> 00:47:01,840
So there you go.

915
00:47:02,199 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 4: That is Keith Moon approved rock star behavior. This is

916
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:07,360
a skipper for me.

917
00:47:07,639 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 2: This is a skipper.

918
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,559
Speaker 4: I just feel like I need to take a shower.

919
00:47:10,599 --> 00:47:13,199
After I listened to it, the sleeve factor got dialed

920
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,039
up a few notches on that one.

921
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,119
Speaker 2: This is a definite skipper for me. This is and

922
00:47:18,159 --> 00:47:21,320
not because of the subject matter, not that I cared

923
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,239
one way or the other, but it's just I don't

924
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:24,039
think it's a good song.

925
00:47:24,119 --> 00:47:28,519
Speaker 3: Okay, you guys are both wrong. But speaking of filler music,

926
00:47:28,679 --> 00:47:30,719
let's move on to the next song. This song is

927
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,199
called something for Nothing.

928
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:54,119
Speaker 2: Hey, this is a skipper for me. This song. I

929
00:47:54,159 --> 00:47:57,679
can really hear the influence of Rick Nielsen on this one.

930
00:47:58,199 --> 00:48:01,360
This sounds like Nielsen. Yeah, sounds like a cheap trick song.

931
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,960
And he and Nicky six were very good friends. He

932
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,519
looked at Nicky looked at him as a mentor and

933
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:11,679
discusses how he would call Rick up and try to

934
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:13,880
act straight, and then he'd be like, hold on for

935
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,599
a minute, and then he'd go shoot up, throw up,

936
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,840
come back to the phone. And Rick was the kind

937
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:20,960
of guy that would still be there, ready to listen

938
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:22,119
to whatever it was he had to say.

939
00:48:22,199 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 3: This Songe reminds me of Brattlesnake Shake from Doctor Feel Good.

940
00:48:25,519 --> 00:48:30,159
Speaker 8: It's just the cow bell. It's just a little bit goofy.

941
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:34,119
I got a fever. The only killer is more cow bell.

942
00:48:36,159 --> 00:48:37,639
It's a total killer in my opinion.

943
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,199
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's kind of a skipper for me. And

944
00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:43,199
I guess Vince didn't mean the lyrics literally because he

945
00:48:43,199 --> 00:48:45,159
says I've got a toy guaranteed to put the spring

946
00:48:45,199 --> 00:48:48,840
back in your socks. Number one selling toys in eighty

947
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,599
seven were like Teddy Ruckspin and Cabbage Batch Doll, so

948
00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:56,400
I'm assuming he wasn't referring to that. Also, sixty three

949
00:48:56,559 --> 00:49:00,400
sixteen once again lyrical felony.

950
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, the lyrics are goofy. The music doesn't really capture me.

951
00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:10,679
For me, this is really the only surefire skipper on

952
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:11,039
the album.

953
00:49:11,199 --> 00:49:13,679
Speaker 4: I agree, this is a definite skipper for me as well.

954
00:49:24,159 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 2: No argument here, no definite skipper wow, all three on

955
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:27,280
this one.

956
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,679
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, moving on to the next song on

957
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:31,320
the album.

958
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,199
Speaker 2: This song is called You're All I Need.

959
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 3: Okay, the the floor is yours.

960
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:07,519
Speaker 2: Well, you're making me tell this story?

961
00:50:07,679 --> 00:50:09,760
Speaker 3: No, I just want your opinion first before we tell

962
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:10,159
the story.

963
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:14,599
Speaker 2: Okay, this okay? So just to start off, this is

964
00:50:14,639 --> 00:50:19,039
the song with the best story with the worst music.

965
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,800
This was my other hot take of the week. This

966
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,519
song sounds like me when I was seventeen with my

967
00:50:25,559 --> 00:50:28,880
four track recorder. This song is not a well made song.

968
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:30,880
I don't like it at all, James.

969
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,559
Speaker 4: There is something a little off about the production. I

970
00:50:33,599 --> 00:50:36,280
don't know if it's piano or keyboard, or the drums

971
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,519
have too much reverb on them, but something does sound

972
00:50:38,559 --> 00:50:40,360
strange about it. I don't think it's a bad song.

973
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,119
I actually like the song. Probably never made many makeing

974
00:50:43,159 --> 00:50:47,400
out lists of nineteen eighty seven for obvious reasons. My

975
00:50:47,599 --> 00:50:48,239
crew standards.

976
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:52,280
Speaker 2: They're wrong about that. But keep going. Okay, dude, if

977
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,800
you're putting this on your makeout list and the girl

978
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,239
has any idea what it's about, she's gonna be like,

979
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:58,320
what is wrong with you?

980
00:50:58,320 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 5: You?

981
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 3: Fred, Well, that's the cold key, right. This was my

982
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:02,320
secret weapon in eighty seven.

983
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,119
Speaker 2: But keep going, Oh my god, you should keep it

984
00:51:05,119 --> 00:51:05,639
a secret.

985
00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 4: The crew balls. I don't think this was a bad song.

986
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, James, you ben't want to step back

987
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,440
because I'm about to spike the football, Spike the volleyball,

988
00:51:14,639 --> 00:51:16,360
dunk the basketball.

989
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 2: Okay.

990
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 3: This is my favorite song on this album.

991
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:22,519
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

992
00:51:22,599 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 3: I absolutely love it, and the story behind it is

993
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:28,400
incredibly cool.

994
00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:32,760
Speaker 2: But the music to me is so sad, heartbreaking. I agree,

995
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:37,280
it's sad, intense. No no, no, no, see, I agree

996
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:37,840
with all that.

997
00:51:38,119 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 4: Just listening to it now, it sounds a little odd

998
00:51:40,679 --> 00:51:42,280
the core as the production goes.

999
00:51:42,760 --> 00:52:07,639
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I think it's beautiful. This song was

1000
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:11,360
praised by John Monjovi as the greatest Motley Crue ballad

1001
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:11,960
of all time.

1002
00:52:12,159 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 2: I was going to tell you you are at least

1003
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,239
in good company because John bon Jovi did love this song. Yes,

1004
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,480
shall we tell the story? Yeah, go ahead, Okay. So

1005
00:52:19,519 --> 00:52:23,079
this song came about on March sixth, nineteen eighty seven.

1006
00:52:23,159 --> 00:52:25,599
They were in the studio and Tommy he started playing

1007
00:52:25,639 --> 00:52:27,800
the little piece on the piano in the other room

1008
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,320
and Nicky came in, they sat down together, they wrote,

1009
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,840
these are his words. We wrote a gorgeous song that

1010
00:52:35,119 --> 00:52:39,719
Barry Manilo would be proud of. Now he writes this song,

1011
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,480
but the lyrics are the important part. So he had

1012
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,800
been dating this girl named Nicole, I know Nicole's last name.

1013
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:47,840
But he had been dating this girl, Nicole, and she

1014
00:52:48,119 --> 00:52:51,039
was apparently pretty awesome. But he was confident that she

1015
00:52:51,079 --> 00:52:53,239
had had an affair while they were on the Theater

1016
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,320
of Pain tour, because I'm sure Nicky was completely celibate

1017
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,800
the entire time. Oh yeah, absolutely, no question about it. Yeah.

1018
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,639
The second part is he believes she had an affair

1019
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,840
with a soap opera star named Jack Wagner. Yes, now,

1020
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,960
as it happens. Jack Wagner also did a bit of

1021
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,960
singing himself here, and he is among one of the

1022
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,119
one hit wonders of the eighties with a song called

1023
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:18,320
all I Need.

1024
00:53:18,559 --> 00:53:21,119
Speaker 3: You're blowing my mind right here, man, you are blowing

1025
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:32,880
my mind. Play that song right here.

1026
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,199
Speaker 4: I do remember this one from a high school dancer too.

1027
00:53:41,679 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 2: It was huge in nineteen eighty four.

1028
00:53:43,679 --> 00:53:46,079
Speaker 4: I mean, thank god it wasn't Michael Damien. She was cheating.

1029
00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:46,760
Speaker 5: Only there.

1030
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 3: That is a deep cut right there, man, Michael Damien

1031
00:53:51,519 --> 00:53:52,119
with rock on.

1032
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,320
Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm gonna go on record right now and

1033
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,199
say that Jack Wagner song is a thousand times better

1034
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:58,079
than this piece of craft.

1035
00:53:58,559 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 3: How toy here, it's the worst take of all time,

1036
00:54:02,639 --> 00:54:03,159
right there.

1037
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 2: I love that song. I am not a pop guy.

1038
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:09,079
I'm a hard heavy metal guy. But that song was

1039
00:54:09,119 --> 00:54:11,320
the song I remember. And this song is a song

1040
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:12,039
I want to forget.

1041
00:54:12,159 --> 00:54:14,519
Speaker 3: Oh my god, you have been wrong many times before,

1042
00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:17,840
but this is the most egregious thing you've ever said

1043
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:18,719
on this podcast.

1044
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:23,199
Speaker 2: So anyway, so he's he actually says, he goes. The

1045
00:54:23,199 --> 00:54:25,280
fact that I had had sex with over two hundred

1046
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,880
different people while tour didn't even enter into my mental equation.

1047
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:35,159
So he writes this song and it, he says, I

1048
00:54:35,159 --> 00:54:38,039
guess it's a take on taxi driver in the sense

1049
00:54:38,079 --> 00:54:41,039
that if you really love somebody, you'd kill them so

1050
00:54:41,079 --> 00:54:46,000
that nobody else can have them, right, Yeah, no, you psychopath.

1051
00:54:47,079 --> 00:54:50,320
So then the rest of the keep going. So then

1052
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,119
the rest of the story is he records this song

1053
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,280
and then once they had the track down, he gleefully

1054
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,519
takes it over to her house. Now he's Nicole and

1055
00:54:59,599 --> 00:55:03,400
he done many many drugs together, and then they went

1056
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,639
to rehab together, and when they got done with rehab,

1057
00:55:05,679 --> 00:55:08,199
they realized the only thing they had in common was drugs,

1058
00:55:08,679 --> 00:55:11,320
and so he broke up with her. She broke up

1059
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,199
with him, whatever it was. But she knows that he's

1060
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:17,800
got this suspicion about Jack Wagner, General hospital guy. He goes,

1061
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:19,760
He's like, I got this song I wrote for you.

1062
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,079
He doesn't tell her what's about. I wrote this song

1063
00:55:22,199 --> 00:55:25,320
for you. And when it starts playing and she realizes

1064
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,800
that the chorus includes the words all I need, she's like,

1065
00:55:29,119 --> 00:55:32,039
you so so yeah, and she kicks him out, and

1066
00:55:32,119 --> 00:55:36,119
after that it gets about killing her. Yes, but yeah,

1067
00:55:36,119 --> 00:55:38,199
I don't know that she even got that part right.

1068
00:55:38,199 --> 00:55:40,880
It's pretty subtle. It's subtle, right, if you don't see

1069
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:42,920
the video, you don't quite get what it's really about.

1070
00:55:43,639 --> 00:55:46,320
Then he thinks, I'm going to take this a step further.

1071
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:50,519
He literally calls a couple of pipe hitting guys to

1072
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,880
go and break Jack Wagner's knees. He's like, this is

1073
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:57,000
where he rehearses, this is where they filmed General Hospital.

1074
00:55:57,039 --> 00:55:58,599
I want you to find him, and I want you

1075
00:55:58,639 --> 00:56:02,199
to break his legs. So the next day, Nicole calls

1076
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,800
him and she's like, what did you do because Jack

1077
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,400
Wagner's legs have been broken. Yes, and he's like, oh

1078
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,800
my gosh, this is the coolest thing I've ever done.

1079
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,199
And then his pipe Hitt and buddies call him up

1080
00:56:13,199 --> 00:56:15,119
and they're like, hey, sorry, man, we couldn't find them.

1081
00:56:15,199 --> 00:56:19,519
We don't know where, we couldn't a what. It turns

1082
00:56:19,559 --> 00:56:22,239
out that Wagner had like fallowed off of the stage

1083
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,480
during rehearsal and broken his own legs. It was just

1084
00:56:25,679 --> 00:56:31,159
a weird The story amazing, It's a crazy, crazy story,

1085
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:35,639
well worth the time for the song. But yeah, definitely

1086
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:37,800
a skipper. I cannot believe he said it's the best

1087
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,559
song on the album. This is my favorite Motley Crue

1088
00:56:40,639 --> 00:56:43,840
song of all time. Oh let me say that again.

1089
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,320
This is my favorite Molly Crue song of all time.

1090
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,119
This is where the record screeches. Now once again, this

1091
00:56:49,199 --> 00:56:51,239
is okay? So what's better this one or Man in

1092
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:56,280
the Mirror mister ooh tough call, Oh my tough thriller.

1093
00:56:57,599 --> 00:56:58,119
Hey listen.

1094
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 3: I was telling James that where wherever you enter the

1095
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,880
Motley Crue universe, that's the soft spot that you have

1096
00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:07,400
right there. So a lot of people entered with Doctor Fieldgod,

1097
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,960
it was a mainstream album, and they love without You

1098
00:57:10,119 --> 00:57:12,960
or they love Doctor Filgerder same ol situation. When I

1099
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:16,280
was fourteen years old, this song captured me like none other,

1100
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:18,800
and I am super nostalgic, so I'm.

1101
00:57:18,519 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 2: Hanging on to that.

1102
00:57:19,519 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 3: This was the third single release, This is You Got Wildside.

1103
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:24,960
You've got Girls, Girls girls, and You've got your All

1104
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,199
I Need. This was released October nineteenth of nineteen eighty seven.

1105
00:57:28,559 --> 00:57:32,559
The video was banned by MTV, yeah and effectively killing

1106
00:57:32,599 --> 00:57:32,960
the song.

1107
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's Wayne Eisham said before the video, we had

1108
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,920
to talk about what we wanted. We'd seen this news

1109
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,440
story about a guy who had killed his girlfriend, which

1110
00:57:41,519 --> 00:57:45,079
Nikki related to some events in his own life. Plus

1111
00:57:45,159 --> 00:57:47,760
he loved Sid and Nancy, so he kind of wanted

1112
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:51,119
a video about this kind of self destructive relationship. Yeah.

1113
00:57:51,159 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 4: I know, murder ballads have a long and storied place.

1114
00:57:55,199 --> 00:57:58,599
I doubt that's what Nicky was thinking. Back when I

1115
00:57:58,719 --> 00:58:01,039
was in high school in this came out, the urban

1116
00:58:01,119 --> 00:58:04,159
legend was this was based on a real story about

1117
00:58:04,159 --> 00:58:06,519
someone killing I mean, we had no idea about the

1118
00:58:06,599 --> 00:58:09,480
Jack Wagner angle. And I checked with my wife Leanna

1119
00:58:09,519 --> 00:58:11,199
and my sister and they both were like, yeah, I

1120
00:58:11,199 --> 00:58:13,480
thought that was about somebody who really killed someone.

1121
00:58:13,599 --> 00:58:17,039
Speaker 2: Okay, So here we go. April second, nineteen eighty seven, Tommy,

1122
00:58:17,239 --> 00:58:20,679
a guy named Dwayne Baron, and Nikki are all going fishing.

1123
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,519
They have done coke all night long, and then they

1124
00:58:23,519 --> 00:58:26,239
go out to the lake to go fishing and they

1125
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:28,320
decided to come back in to get some beer. When

1126
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:30,880
they come back in, Doc McGee is there to greet them,

1127
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:32,760
and he said, Hey, I just wanted to let you

1128
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,719
guys know John bon Jovi listened to your song and

1129
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,199
he think it's the greatest you've written, the greatest song

1130
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,440
of your career. And so Nicky says, which song? And

1131
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:43,880
he says, You're all I need. And he said did

1132
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,039
he listen to the lyrics? And Doc's like, why, what's

1133
00:58:47,079 --> 00:58:49,239
it about? And he tells him and Doc is like,

1134
00:58:50,079 --> 00:58:50,920
you're an asshole.

1135
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 3: This song has been called one of their best songs.

1136
00:58:55,119 --> 00:58:57,639
It's also been called filler. It seems to me it's

1137
00:58:57,719 --> 00:58:58,760
just a polarizing song.

1138
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 2: You either love it or you hate it.

1139
00:59:00,159 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 3: Skipper, I can hear Patreon member Cameron Ecker, my college buddy,

1140
00:59:04,519 --> 00:59:06,800
laughing right now, he's destroying me in his mind.

1141
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:08,639
Speaker 2: I'm going to get a phone call from him this week.

1142
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,079
Cameron always agrees with me. Cameron does agree with you

1143
00:59:11,199 --> 00:59:12,840
all the time. Do you know why he's my friend?

1144
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:13,559
Because he's right?

1145
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:17,519
Speaker 3: I love it, I love it, I love it, spiked

1146
00:59:17,559 --> 00:59:19,119
the football. Best song on the album.

1147
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 4: Oh, I guess hey, before we move on, somebody wants

1148
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:27,159
to say hi, Hey, head Hannah, come say hi, Hi there.

1149
00:59:28,119 --> 00:59:28,599
Speaker 1: I'm good.

1150
00:59:28,639 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 6: How about y'all?

1151
00:59:29,519 --> 00:59:32,639
Speaker 2: You're the coolest girl in Northern Louisiana that we know. Absolutely,

1152
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:38,440
thank you. You can't listen to this one. This is

1153
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:42,159
a mature seventeen. We kept it pretty clean, given the fact,

1154
00:59:42,159 --> 00:59:44,159
and we should have, given the fact that we all

1155
00:59:44,199 --> 00:59:46,400
have daughters. All right, we moving on to the last

1156
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,159
track on the album. Now, Yeah, the thing they had

1157
00:59:49,199 --> 00:59:51,199
to fill with. You can't not call this as a

1158
00:59:51,199 --> 00:59:54,000
filler because they didn't have anything left to give. They

1159
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:57,599
had to pull some random piece out of the live set. Okay,

1160
00:59:57,679 --> 00:59:59,960
let's get into it. This song is called Jelhouse rock.

1161
01:00:25,039 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 3: Dude. Mick Mars is on display on this one.

1162
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:33,039
Speaker 2: I have absolutely no trouble listening to Mick Mar's whale

1163
01:00:33,119 --> 01:00:36,679
on this petigular song. I love the original Elvis version,

1164
01:00:36,719 --> 01:00:38,360
listened to it all the time when I was a kid.

1165
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:43,519
And Mick is absolutely killing it. Tommy is absolutely killing

1166
01:00:43,559 --> 01:00:59,800
it as usual. Vince Neil's voice singing this song makes

1167
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:03,840
me want to dig my fingers into my ears. It's horrible.

1168
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:08,960
What are you? How are you? Vince can sing some heavy,

1169
01:01:09,039 --> 01:01:11,480
hard songs. I love his voice on a lot of stuff,

1170
01:01:11,519 --> 01:01:15,400
but not this song. It's terrible. I think he sounds fantastic. No, no,

1171
01:01:15,559 --> 01:01:18,599
I've heard him sound a lot worse. Yeah, well yeah,

1172
01:01:18,599 --> 01:01:23,559
I think I saw him doing the uh no. That

1173
01:01:23,679 --> 01:01:25,639
was the worst ever. But this is a close second.

1174
01:01:25,639 --> 01:01:27,800
I think, James, where are you at this one?

1175
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 4: Man? It's pretty clear they were out of material by

1176
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,440
this time as far as covers go. I mean, I

1177
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:34,880
don't believe this was live. It feels like the live

1178
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,559
sound was piped into the studio. There's an old joke

1179
01:01:37,599 --> 01:01:40,039
about Judas Priest. I have a live album called Live

1180
01:01:40,079 --> 01:01:42,039
in the East. People call it live in the Studio.

1181
01:01:42,199 --> 01:01:44,639
I think that's kind of what situation here was. It

1182
01:01:44,719 --> 01:01:48,119
seems kind of pointless, but from a musical standpoint, Like

1183
01:01:48,199 --> 01:01:50,480
D said, Mick is shredding all over the place on

1184
01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:53,400
this one. During the chorus, Tommy Lee plays this really

1185
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:56,280
fast double bassed shuffle a Glex Van Halen plays and

1186
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:59,360
Hot for Teacher, and that alone. I won't skip it

1187
01:01:59,400 --> 01:01:59,920
just because of that.

1188
01:02:00,239 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 3: See, they get a lot of crap for having a

1189
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,079
cover on the album, but people seem to forget. I mean,

1190
01:02:05,119 --> 01:02:07,039
Smoking in the Boys Room was a cover off of

1191
01:02:07,119 --> 01:02:09,920
Theater Pain. It did pretty well. People seem to love it.

1192
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:11,679
I don't know why Joe has Rock is all of

1193
01:02:11,719 --> 01:02:13,719
a sudden, you know, the worst thing ever. But I

1194
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:16,119
think it's cool. I think it sounds great. I think

1195
01:02:16,159 --> 01:02:17,320
it sounds like a lot of fun.

1196
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:17,639
Speaker 2: You know.

1197
01:02:17,719 --> 01:02:20,239
Speaker 3: This song was the reason why I really wanted to

1198
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,480
go see the concert when they came through my tent.

1199
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,719
I also love the fact that my next door neighbor's dad,

1200
01:02:33,719 --> 01:02:36,880
who is a huge Elvis fan, thought this was complete sacrilege.

1201
01:02:38,159 --> 01:02:41,280
Motley Crue tearing down Elvis, I thought was the coolest thing.

1202
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:43,280
I'm like, yes, Crewe not a skipper.

1203
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:45,199
Speaker 2: Love it. In fact, top down, turn it up.

1204
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 4: We know for a fact if it was live or not,

1205
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:49,280
because that's always been in the back of my head

1206
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,719
because he's telling some people they've got some effing jive,

1207
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,360
and I'm just wondering who he's talking to. But I

1208
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:56,159
tell you, Ony, that's one of the musical things I've

1209
01:02:56,159 --> 01:02:58,119
always wanted to learn how to play that fast double

1210
01:02:58,119 --> 01:03:00,119
bass shuffle. I keep working on it. One day I'm

1211
01:03:00,119 --> 01:03:02,119
going to have it. I remember my mom, who was

1212
01:03:02,199 --> 01:03:04,559
also a huge Elvis fan, actually liked this one.

1213
01:03:04,599 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 3: If you guys are listening out there and you know

1214
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:10,440
where and when this particular version of Jailhaus Rock was played,

1215
01:03:10,519 --> 01:03:12,480
please let us know. Hit us up on Facebook, hit

1216
01:03:12,519 --> 01:03:14,559
us up on Twitter, choose an email we'd love to know.

1217
01:03:14,679 --> 01:03:18,039
By the way, Rolling Stone magazine called Jailhaus Rock number

1218
01:03:18,119 --> 01:03:21,639
sixty seven greatest song of all time the Elvis version,

1219
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:23,079
the Elvis version.

1220
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 4: I don't go out of my way to listen to

1221
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:26,559
this one. If I'm listening to the album and it

1222
01:03:26,599 --> 01:03:28,000
gets to it, I won't skip it all.

1223
01:03:28,079 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 3: Right, Before we get to final judgment, let's hear from

1224
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:34,199
our good friend Pat Hanagallo of the thirty something Movie podcast.

1225
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 2: Let's hear what he has to say.

1226
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:38,119
Speaker 9: Hey, guys, Pat here to weigh in on White Snake

1227
01:03:38,199 --> 01:03:40,880
nineteen eighty seven versus Motley Crue, Girls, Girls Girls. First

1228
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,719
of all, these are two fantastic albums. I love all

1229
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,639
of the music that is on there. The White Snake album,

1230
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:48,880
right from the get go, you have hit after hit

1231
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,239
after hit. I remember getting this cassette when I was

1232
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:53,920
a kid and just listening to one side, Flip it over,

1233
01:03:54,119 --> 01:03:57,199
other side, flip it over other side, just repeat over

1234
01:03:57,239 --> 01:03:59,239
and over. What's best You can still listen to it

1235
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,519
with the kids around. Moving over to Motley Crue, one

1236
01:04:01,559 --> 01:04:04,599
of my favorite bands. I love listening to these guys.

1237
01:04:04,679 --> 01:04:07,039
I love their sound. Hard to listen to them with

1238
01:04:07,119 --> 01:04:09,239
the kids around, but that kind of goes part and

1239
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,000
parcel with the what Molly Crue is all about. When

1240
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,920
you hit play, this album grabs you right away, right

1241
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:18,079
from that opening guitar riff that just kind of growls.

1242
01:04:17,559 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 2: At you right.

1243
01:04:20,239 --> 01:04:25,079
Speaker 9: You know, it catapults you into the album. Throughout the bass, drums,

1244
01:04:25,199 --> 01:04:28,199
guitar are all super tight. They are right in the

1245
01:04:28,239 --> 01:04:30,239
groove with each other. What a hard rock and sound.

1246
01:04:30,239 --> 01:04:32,320
And then you put Vince Neil's vocals over the top

1247
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:35,719
and you just have this fantastic punch. What I really

1248
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:38,760
like too, Tommy Lee's drums. It seems almost turned up

1249
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:40,800
in the mix, like they're almost putting the drums front

1250
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:43,280
and center to kind of like solidify the whole group.

1251
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:45,199
And I also really like that they've got a lot

1252
01:04:45,239 --> 01:04:47,800
of kind of a bluesy boogie woogie style going on

1253
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,599
the live track of Jailhouse Rock, like what a Tree.

1254
01:04:50,599 --> 01:04:53,639
That's just fantastic stuff. Like I said, I'm a Motley

1255
01:04:53,679 --> 01:04:55,239
Crue fan, so of course I'm going to say this,

1256
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:58,239
but every ballad they do I love, and so like,

1257
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:00,280
I'll get stuck on so many of these two on

1258
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:02,840
the album and I'll keep hitting repeat, especially You're All

1259
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:03,320
I Need.

1260
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 2: I love it.

1261
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 9: How can you skip over the Girls Girls Girls video?

1262
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:11,079
I mean, like, I guess the best way to describe

1263
01:05:11,079 --> 01:05:14,400
that video is that it's one heck of a supplemental

1264
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:16,760
material to what they're teaching you in school and what

1265
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:18,679
your parents teach you about the birds and the bees.

1266
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,079
You got the Motley Crue Girls Girls Girls video, so

1267
01:05:21,119 --> 01:05:24,760
that works. And of course, young Pat, Old Pat, you

1268
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:27,840
start with motorcycles, you end with motorcycles. So like, I'm

1269
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:30,639
definitely hooked into that. I mean, let's be honest, you

1270
01:05:31,039 --> 01:05:33,320
really had me at the kickstart of the motorcycle with

1271
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:35,880
this tune. Guys, thank you so much for a great show.

1272
01:05:36,039 --> 01:05:38,159
I feel so fortunate to be able to listen to

1273
01:05:38,199 --> 01:05:39,800
you guys each week, and so blessed to be able

1274
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:42,159
to call you friends. Keep up all the fantastic work.

1275
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,199
If so, if I've got a wayh in on file judgment,

1276
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:47,800
I'd have to pick a better album. You can't. They're

1277
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:50,400
both awesome. Get both albums, listen to them on repeat.

1278
01:05:50,719 --> 01:05:54,639
If I have to pick a favorite, I'd have to say, Hey, Jason,

1279
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:55,360
check that out.

1280
01:05:55,400 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 5: Man, what de wear? Girls? Girls? Girls?

1281
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:06,039
Speaker 2: I love Pat so much. That is awesome. It's the

1282
01:06:06,079 --> 01:06:10,000
best ending I think we've ever had. Pat, you knocked

1283
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:11,679
out one out of the park. First of all, thank

1284
01:06:11,719 --> 01:06:12,280
you so much.

1285
01:06:12,599 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 3: If you haven't listened to thirty something Movie Podcast, check

1286
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,599
them out. Just for the record, Me, John bon Jovi,

1287
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:20,159
and Pat are all on board with your only need.

1288
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:23,039
Speaker 2: I mean, Pat's opinion weighs a little heavily for me

1289
01:06:23,119 --> 01:06:23,639
more than yours.

1290
01:06:23,679 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 3: Anyway, Pat, thank you for doing that, buddy. We appreciate you.

1291
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:30,679
Go check them out thirty something Movie Podcast.

1292
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 2: Okay, guys, it is time for our final judgment. We

1293
01:06:34,519 --> 01:06:37,440
know that Pat has weighed in and has picked Girls, Girls, Girls.

1294
01:06:37,559 --> 01:06:40,920
Is now our time to say which of these two

1295
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:44,360
albums still holds water still is the best? As Pat said,

1296
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,480
they are both fantastic albums. You should get both of them.

1297
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:48,360
You should listen to both of them. Yep, but one

1298
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:50,840
of them's better than the other one, at least we

1299
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:52,719
think so, James, why don't you leave us off? Man?

1300
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:55,159
Speaker 4: Okay, I'll preface all of this by saying that I

1301
01:06:55,199 --> 01:06:57,559
am also a big fan of both bands. When I

1302
01:06:57,559 --> 01:07:00,239
first searched the Shout Out the Devil album my freshman year,

1303
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:02,000
I was blown away and I was a fan of

1304
01:07:02,039 --> 01:07:04,440
Motley Crue from that day forward. I'm also a huge

1305
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:07,559
fan of White Snake, so this is not an easy choice,

1306
01:07:08,079 --> 01:07:10,079
but I go. I've gone back and listened to both

1307
01:07:10,119 --> 01:07:12,719
albums a lot over the last few weeks, and the

1308
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:15,400
White Snake is just towering above the crew on this one.

1309
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:18,320
To me, the songs on the White Snake album they're

1310
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:21,679
really good. Ones are so epic, like Still of the Night,

1311
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:25,079
just a monster riff that still sounds great today, Crying

1312
01:07:25,119 --> 01:07:28,719
in the Rain. The players Coverdale and his crew assembled

1313
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:30,840
for this album did an amazing job, and when I

1314
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,079
go back and listen to the album, I really don't

1315
01:07:33,079 --> 01:07:35,400
skip anything. There are a few I like more than others,

1316
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:37,920
but I really like from front to back. There's not

1317
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:41,119
a big decrease in quality. Girls, Girls, Girls. The band

1318
01:07:41,159 --> 01:07:43,599
members themselves I thought were playing really well. I'm a

1319
01:07:43,679 --> 01:07:46,519
huge Tommy Lee fan. Have bens It's day one, Mick

1320
01:07:46,599 --> 01:07:49,719
turned in his stellar job. But there are great songs

1321
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:52,639
on this album, and there are songs that I instantaneously

1322
01:07:52,679 --> 01:07:54,960
want to skip, And I'm afraid that the skippers out

1323
01:07:55,079 --> 01:07:57,440
number of the great ones on this album. Wild Side's

1324
01:07:57,440 --> 01:07:59,880
an amazing song. Girls, Girls, Girls, There's a lot of

1325
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:02,880
all I need. I think it rains up there. I'm

1326
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:06,000
on power Ballad Royalty, maybe the lower tier, but still

1327
01:08:06,039 --> 01:08:09,280
a great song. But they can't overcome songs like bad

1328
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:13,480
Boy Boogie all in the name of songs that instantly skipped.

1329
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:15,480
And just like we said earlier, it's goind of want

1330
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:20,000
to douse myself in purell after hearing occasionally. So the

1331
01:08:20,039 --> 01:08:22,359
great songs are great, but the bad songs are bad.

1332
01:08:22,399 --> 01:08:24,000
And I think that if you put it on scale,

1333
01:08:24,199 --> 01:08:26,359
white Snake comes out ahead on this one.

1334
01:08:26,399 --> 01:08:27,560
Speaker 2: All right here, right man?

1335
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:31,039
Speaker 3: Okay, So I'm fourteen years old in nineteen eighty seven.

1336
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:36,399
This is my first step into metal. Granted it's MTV medal,

1337
01:08:36,399 --> 01:08:38,319
but it's metal for me as a young man, and

1338
01:08:38,359 --> 01:08:41,640
I love both man. These were hugely impactful albums, and.

1339
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:44,319
Speaker 2: So White Snake. When you go through It's still the Night,

1340
01:08:44,399 --> 01:08:45,359
It's here I go again.

1341
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 3: I love, don't turn away, give me all your love

1342
01:08:48,159 --> 01:08:50,720
is this Love is a wonderful power ballad. When you

1343
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:53,279
look at girls, girls, girls, You've got Wildside, you've got

1344
01:08:53,359 --> 01:08:55,880
dancing on Glass, You've got girls, gross girls, I love

1345
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:56,840
your all I need.

1346
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:58,079
Speaker 2: There are some skippers.

1347
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:01,319
Speaker 3: So for me, when I put these on on the scales,

1348
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:06,439
not only are White Snake's songs better and more of them,

1349
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:09,119
but I'm even going so far as to say the

1350
01:09:09,239 --> 01:09:13,600
videos are better. So for me, White Snake out weighs girls, girls,

1351
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:15,840
girls on this one, although I tend to kind of

1352
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:19,359
lean towards pat By. Both listen to ball play, both

1353
01:09:19,399 --> 01:09:22,760
have fun, but I'm spiking the football. White Snake nineteen

1354
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:25,319
eighty seven is the better of these two albums.

1355
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:29,239
Speaker 2: See Okay, so Molly Crue, the band's so nice. We've

1356
01:09:29,399 --> 01:09:33,319
touched them twice. Yeah, when we did skid Row versus

1357
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:36,399
Doctor Feel Good. Before we before I listened both albums,

1358
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:38,640
I was confident that I was not picking Motley Crue.

1359
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:41,079
Skid Row was just too strong. But by the time

1360
01:09:41,119 --> 01:09:42,680
we were done with that one, I was like, crap,

1361
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:46,319
Doctor Feel Good is a fantastic album, and it is

1362
01:09:46,399 --> 01:09:49,239
amazing what those guys can do when they are not

1363
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:53,880
in the deepest, darkest depths of drug addiction. Unfortunately, on

1364
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:57,119
this album, they were in the deepest, darkest depths of

1365
01:09:57,199 --> 01:09:59,760
drug addiction, and I can tell they were struggling to

1366
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:02,399
put some good songs. First two songs out of the gate,

1367
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:04,600
I would have been like, dang, this is obviously the

1368
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:08,760
better album. Wild Side Kills It, Girls, Girls, Girls Kills

1369
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:11,439
It number three not a bad song. Dancing on Glass.

1370
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:14,680
I'll listen to it every time. But basically after that,

1371
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:16,920
I could not listen to those songs for the rest

1372
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:19,119
of my life, and I'd be okay. With Theater of Pain,

1373
01:10:19,199 --> 01:10:20,960
it was kind of the same thing. You had the

1374
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:25,239
two songs that really rocked the album, and the rest

1375
01:10:25,279 --> 01:10:28,000
of them were just black. With this one, you got

1376
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:32,159
two really great songs, one pretty durn good song, and

1377
01:10:32,199 --> 01:10:35,359
then pretty much black after that. For me. White Snake,

1378
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:39,600
on the other hand, Oh my gosh, they have killer

1379
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:42,279
after killer after killer, and some of them are good

1380
01:10:42,319 --> 01:10:45,079
as opposed to great, But the great ones are more

1381
01:10:45,119 --> 01:10:48,399
great than even the greatest songs on this album, And

1382
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:52,039
so I got to make the decision unanimous here. White

1383
01:10:52,079 --> 01:10:56,319
Snake nineteen eighty seven is definitely the better album of

1384
01:10:56,359 --> 01:10:59,279
these two girls. Girls Girls is definitely the album worth

1385
01:10:59,319 --> 01:11:03,159
listening to. First two songs definitely songs to hold on to.

1386
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:08,680
But White Snake, White Snake, especially with those bonus tracks included, Yeah,

1387
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:11,000
that is definitely the song that I will pick any

1388
01:11:11,079 --> 01:11:12,399
day of the week. Walking out the door.

1389
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:15,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, you mentioned those bonus tracks. That album was so

1390
01:11:15,239 --> 01:11:17,359
good you couldn't even fit all the good songs on it.

1391
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:17,720
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1392
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:19,319
Speaker 2: Well, we want to hear from you, guys. How do

1393
01:11:19,399 --> 01:11:20,960
we do? Do we get this right? Do we get

1394
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,279
this wrong? How do you rank those two albums?

1395
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,920
Speaker 3: Hit us up on Facebook, Hit us up on Twitter. James,

1396
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:29,520
thank you so much for being here for two episodes

1397
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:30,239
in a row for us.

1398
01:11:30,359 --> 01:11:32,560
Speaker 4: I cannot tell you how much I appreciate the opportunity

1399
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:34,079
to hang out with you guys, even if it is

1400
01:11:34,119 --> 01:11:37,640
only digitally. I've had a blast and look forward to

1401
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:39,359
you guys every Tuesday morning.

1402
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:42,119
Speaker 2: Thanks buddy, Thanks man, We really appreciate you coming on.

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All right, guys.

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Speaker 3: Next week we're still in summer of nineteen eighty seven.

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We're comparing RoboCop versus Predator. Oh my gosh, dude, it's

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gonna be awesome.

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Speaker 2: Yes, can't wait for that one.

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Speaker 4: Lots of good episode for a dollar any day.

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Speaker 3: We released our second one last Friday. So we've released

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video Killed the Radio Star by the Buggles and Relaxed

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by Freaking Goes to Hollywood.

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Speaker 2: And next month we will be covering Nothing Compares to

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You by Prince slash tonat O'Connor. Right, it's gonna be awesome.

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All right, guys, thanks again. We will see you next week.

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Oh okay, gosh, I'm so glad we got through that

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episode without somebody finding some sort of connection to Dan

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double in huff.

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Speaker 10: Yeah d I hate to break this media. In the

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Year of Our Lover twenty fourteen, Big Machine Records go

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On by Toby Keith put out a tribute album to

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Motley Prue called Nashville's Outlaws, which featured a bunch of

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modern centy guys reviewing Motley Prue.

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Speaker 7: Yes and this appriate for this It gets Better most

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appropriate for this podcast. Brantley Gilbert did a cover of

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Girl Girl Girl. Rechend Wilson did a cover of Wild Size.

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Yes prominent in the production of Boat track Dan Huff.

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Speaker 2: No, yes, yes.

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Speaker 5: My man dan Hoff.

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Speaker 3: Lead singer of Giants, had one great song in the

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nineties Don't Do It called I'll.

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Speaker 2: See You in My Dreams.

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Speaker 5: Yes you, then we will be saying the mighty.

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Speaker 2: Dan Huff, making another appearance, said I quit