Speaker 1: This is a podcast from Minute Media.
Speaker 2: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Shirley You Can't
Be Serious Podcast. We are here today, ready to dance
on glass.
Speaker 3: Got my motorcycle, I got my switchblade. James, We've got
a handful of grease, so our hair feel's.
Speaker 4: Right assuming I had hair? Yeah, my hypothetical high art fields.
Speaker 2: Back once again.
Speaker 3: We've got our good friend, mister James Buckley, lawyer and
drummer extraordinaire from Louisiana.
Speaker 2: James, how you doing today?
Speaker 4: I'm wonderful guys and during the usual summer heat wave,
and glad to be back on screen with you fellas.
Speaker 2: It's good to have you back. I'm excited to hear
your opinion on this album. We are comparing this album
to the White Snake nineteen eighty seven album. If you
want to hear our opinions on those songs and the
stories behind all of them, please go back and check
out our last episode. But today we are jumping in
on Girls, Girls, Girls. We are going to be talking
about Motley Crue again. We have covered Motley Crue before
whenever we did Doctor Feel Good versus skid Row skid Row,
so I went into a great deal of history, so
you can go back and check that one out on
our Doctor Feel Good track by track episode. We will
of course be getting into all kinds of other stories today,
but this album basically starts off with Nicky six dying
and being thrown in a dumpster, and then when the
album's over and the tour is over, he's dead again.
Speaker 3: Book nded with Nicky Six's death on both sides of
this album, yep.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and that second death is what spawned them to
finally come clean and record Doctor Feel Good. But this
is the album that they recorded the opposite of sober,
whatever that word might be. It is unclean if you will.
Speaker 3: They were buried in drugs at this time.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 3: The executive producer for this episode is our good new
friend mister Adam Mshsky.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Adam was the one who had done our
Shirly showcase last that's right week, and he came on
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Speaker 3: If you want to join our Patreon go to Patreon
dot com Slash Shirley podcast. It's been said before that
there's a lot of filler on this album. The fact
that they wrote any good songs at all is incredible.
Speaker 2: Here is what Doug Taylor, their manager. They had Doc
McGee and Doug Taylor. This is what he said about
the album. Nicki was normally a talented and prolific songwriter,
but he just couldn't write enough good songs for girls, girls, girls.
Do you want the Truth? Tom Werman made that record.
We even had to include a live track, Jailhouse Rock.
On the album. Nicki wrote one song in a key
that Vince couldn't even sing in, and some of his
lyrics were absolute direk One day he came and wasted
and he'd written a song called Hollywood Knights that was
just so bad, really really horrible. Every day heroin Booze
Zombie does. But I mean, there have been a lot
of great albums written with all of those factors involved.
We just have to answer the question, is this one
of them? Okay, well, we're gonna break it down.
Speaker 3: This album was released May fifteenth, nineteen eighty seven, so
just a little bit after the White Snake album was
released like a month and a half.
Speaker 2: This album debuted at number two.
Speaker 3: At number one was Whitney Houston's second album called Whitney
Yep Nikki six And Doc McGee feels like they got.
Speaker 2: Screwed on this stale.
Speaker 3: This is the days when record stores would just kind
of report back numbers, like we sold this many. There
wasn't that scan code and all that stuff. And they
were being told at the time that they were out
selling everything two to one. And then all of a sudden,
the Whitney Houston people took all the A and R
people out on this cruise and vacation and wind and
dined them and then what do you know, Whitney Houston's
album is the number one album in the country.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then later on White Snake has the number
two album, while Motley Crue has the number three album.
And so for the Girls Girls Girls Tour, they got
White Snake into open but White Snake was actually the
more popular band, and they were originally just going to
play a few early dates, but Doug Taylor and Doc
McGee decided to increase their pay from four thousand per
night to ten thousand per night, and so they stayed
through October.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's say that again, because for our younger listeners,
I might be striking because at that moment, in the
fall of nineteen eighty seven, White Snake was more popular
than Motley Crue.
Speaker 4: James am I wrong, h No, And having seen that tour,
I understand why White Snake were definitely firing on all cylinders.
At the time. The crew seemed to be kind of
going through the motions except for the you know, obviously,
the backup girls on stage and Tommy's drum solo. From
everything I've read, I'm surprised this album was able to
be recorded at all. I'm pretty sure if it were
subjected to a drug test it would have failed. That's true.
Speaker 3: So this album was produced by Tom Warman. This is
the same guy who produced Stay Hungry by Twisted Sister.
He did Cocked and Loaded by La Guns. He did
Shout Out the Devil Theater Payne Motley Crue's previous albums.
He did Open Up and Say Ah Bye Poison. He
did Cat Scratch Fever by Ted Nugent. He did some
stuff by Cheap Trick. I mean, this guy was a
prominent producer at the time.
Speaker 2: Major player and Duck Taylor says the guy who is
responsible for this album.
Speaker 3: Notice he did not come back as producer for Doctor Fielge.
Speaker 2: No, they were ready to be done with him and
they had moved on to Bob Rock at that point.
Speaker 3: Ye, okay, we're ready to dive in track by track.
Speaker 2: Let's jump in track by track, Coming Hard out of
the Gate song number one, wild side. Dude, you asked
me how I was coming on these songs and what
I thought of the album, and I said, well, you
got some rockers, you got some skip and you got
some songs about strippers. This is most definitely a rock.
Speaker 4: It's one of the best starting tracks ever, one of
the best Motley Cruz songs. Mick Marris came up with
just that incredible guitar riff, which you noticed there's no
guitar solo in the song, which don't really need it,
because Mick keeps that going standley about the whole song.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that guitar comes in like the revving of an
engine and then blasts in with Tommy's drums into that
incredible riff. It is. Mick mars is the driving force
on this song, and my opinion, number one song on
the album by far, by far, the number one song
on the album. Okay, well talk about that.
Speaker 4: I talked to about seven buddies of mine who were
all talented guitarists, and to a man, the word they
used describing Mick Marris was underrated. And I think he
is definitely the unsung hero of this album.
Speaker 2: Dude, he is a musical genius. And it's funny because
knowing that, I mean, he was a little older or
a lot older, because we don't know whether he's born
in nineteen fifty or nineteen fifty five. There's like some
confusion about the year he was born by five years.
But he had been through the ringer. I mean, he
had been through banned after band after band before joining
these guys, and he had lived in the gutter. I mean,
he had child support, he had to pay, he had
a wife he had to support, and he had no
money and he's living on the streets basically getting rides
from other people, didn't even have a car. Then he
joins this band. His skills were on point and remained
so throughout the tenure.
Speaker 3: It seems to me that that gap in time allowed
him to mature musically. You know, a bunch of young
punks and then you have a mature guitar player who's
bringing these great rips.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this song started from an interesting place.
Speaker 3: You told the story on now Doctor fielget episode.
Speaker 2: We gotta tell it again. Yeah, okay, so got to
tell it again. So January of eighty seven, Nikky six
is watching a young groupie who has come to see
him over the lunch break put her Catholic school girl
uniform back on. He said she would come over and
she was very friendly. And then she's putting a uniform
back on.
Speaker 3: So you do the math, right, seems like she's still
in high school.
Speaker 2: That sounds like it would be correct. Yes, I don't
think any college kids are wearing the Catholic schoolgirl uniforms.
While she's getting dressed, Nikki's laying there and he says,
is the Lord's prayer important? And she's like, yeah, of
course it's important to me, it's important for the whole religion, right,
And he's like, okay, great, and then he takes her
on his motorcycle and drops her back off at the
school and has the nuns scowling at him because obviously
he is this unwashed, leather bound rocker, and he said,
I wonder what they would think if they knew what
I was about to do to the Lord's Prayer.
Speaker 3: So he actually asked her to show it to him
in her Bible. Yeah, Nikki six wrote wild Side after
reading the Lord's Prayer from the Holy Bible.
Speaker 2: Yep, So that little tryst was January twenty ninth, nineteen
eighty seven. January thirtieth, nineteen eighty seven. Nikki laid around naked,
playing guitar and writing music, and he wrote these lyrics,
our father, who ain't in heaven, be thy name on
the wild side, Holy merry Mother, May I pray for
us on the wild side.
Speaker 4: We start off with a felony and blasphemy. I read
a review from back in nineteen eighty seven when it
was released, and some guy in some magazine said the
problem with this album is it starts off with two
awesome tracks and it's really hard for the rest even
compared to it. Well, that's what he talked about. He
was casually seeing a Catholic schoolgirl. Yeah, I'm not sure
the law all would see it so casually, but hey, yeah,
right later. Legal has never been my thing, so.
Speaker 3: Hey, one thing on Becky. She was the daughter of
a prominent Hollywood actress.
Speaker 2: We don't know.
Speaker 3: I tried to find out who that was, Like, who
are we talking about here?
Speaker 2: Yeah, could not find it. He goes so far as
to mention that specifically, but as of yet, nobody knows
who that is, and that's probably best for him that
nobody ever find out.
Speaker 4: Yikes, in our state statue limitations is thirty years, so
he may be okay losing.
Speaker 3: Some of the ideas on this song is based on
the lou Reed song wild Side.
Speaker 2: Oh okay.
Speaker 4: I think this from a musical standpoint, this is one
of the most creative they got on the album because
you go from two distinct fields. You got that driving
four on the floor field they played during the verses
and a lot of solo, and then in a couple
of parts during the bridge and the closing they pretty
seamlessly switched to this kind of bouncy shuffle type feel,
and for the crew to go between two different fields
like that, I was actually impressed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the album that they certainly inject a
lot more blues into. You know, initially when they came out,
they were kind of this combination of punk glam and metal,
and then they kind of steadily moved into more of
the glam metal, and by the time they got to
this album, they had gone to the rougher, you know,
they took off the makeup and started growing the stubble,
and now we're kind of the bad boy look and
more of the blues feel more of a rock metal
than anything else.
Speaker 3: I remember telling you the story that they would make
fun of Vince for taking a shower. There were lots
of times when I read the Heroin Diaries where he
talks about I went eight days without a shower. I
went eleven days without a shower. So gross, it's disgusting. Yeah,
Nikki six said he would go down Sunset Boulevard. He
had a black Mercedes with dark tinted windows, and he
would roll down his window and there would be these
guys on the street corner selling Persian heroin in balloons
and they had them in their mouth. Just the idea
of buying heroin out of a balloon that had been
in a drug dealer's mouth.
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm too uptid, puritanical man when I buy my
hair onin on the streets.
Speaker 2: Of La I know other places that people keep their
heroin balloons. Okay, the mouth would definitely be my preferred
horifice if you will. Were you ready to talk about
the video, Let's talk about the video.
Speaker 3: This video was shot in Indianapolis, Yeah, margat Square Arena.
So they shot this one July eighteenth, nineteen eighty seven.
They had Wayne Eisham, who was their go to guy
for videos. They had him shoot the video and as
they're about to shoot the.
Speaker 2: Video, he said, Nicky said what he always says to me,
I don't want the same old bon jovie. So they
decided to do a over the top live video of
their concert. They put cameras on everybody, put one on
Tommy Lee's revolving. That was the coolest drum I remember.
I mean I would watch the video just for that.
I mean, you got the nasty habits out there looking hot.
And I was more into Tommy's drums at that point
because it was so cool what they did. Nicki refused
to have a camera on him. They took another camera
and put it inside of a plexiglass bubble like that
dribble ball. Yeah yeah, well, if you'll remember, that's what
bon Jovi did too. They did that on another video.
So he literally was Yes, he literally was stealing these
ideas and using them for bon joviy, but Motley fans,
being who they are, they immediately broke the glass the
camera right. Here's what Wayne Eisham said. He said, the
problem was that Motley had this thing called the double bubble.
They'd give you a bottle of Jack Daniels before the
show and shout double bubble, which meant you had to
drink straight from the bottle until the bubbles went up twice.
So I was trying to work the main camera on
stage faced and Nicki came up behind me and bit
me really hard in the arm, and suddenly I had
this searing pain and Nicki was standing in front of
me laughing his head off. He thought it was the
funniest thing in the world man to be the guy
that shoots the Motley Crue videos and have that fame,
but have to pair it up with the madness of
that band.
Speaker 4: Imagine being bit by Nikki six at the time. I
would need a shot immediately.
Speaker 2: Seriously, I would do a double bubble from a purel bottle. Hey,
listen to this.
Speaker 3: I was watching TV and I came across Sammy Hagar's
World Tour show. I don't know if you guys seen that.
And he goes around the interviews musicians and he just
happened to be talking to Tommy Lee and he was
asking him specifically about the interesting drum solos and the
kits and sort of the roller coaster stuff that he
likes to do. And Tommy Lee said, I went to
a concert one time and the drummer there was somebody
that I really loved and respected.
Speaker 2: His name was Tommy Aldridge. And he said that.
Speaker 3: That Tommy Aldridge was going crazy on the drums, and
then that was the time that people got up and
went to the bathroom and it really bothered him.
Speaker 2: He's like, man, don't you understand how cool this guy is?
Speaker 3: Right, but he said there was a problem because it
was like a wall of drums and you couldn't see
what he was doing technically, and so he's like, that
is something I need to fix so people eyes.
Speaker 2: Will be on me when I dumped. Yeah, I remember that.
He woke up and he was like, I had this
dream of a spinning drum set, and by gosh, he
made a reality.
Speaker 4: He did. It was amazing to see. And if you
think about the logistics. You have to have every piece
of equipment bolted down. He's wearing like an alignment like an
electrical worker, use harness and a see and having to
play against gravity, and the guy plays like a madman.
It was amazing to see.
Speaker 3: If you have not seen this video, you really owe
it to yourself to go check it out.
Speaker 2: It's amazing. It is really amazing, and it does start off.
You see the Nasty Habits almost immediately off the bat,
and the story there is they had just hired those
girls like they hadn't been working for the band very long, right,
and they were really the only two to two audition
and Nicki when they got hired, Nicki almost immediately said
no effing the backup singers, okay, guys, which was a
little late because Vince had already tried them successfully unsuccessfully.
But then Emmy Cannon, one of the two Nasty Habits,
started giving googly eyes to mc mars, and mcmahars fell
into the palm of her hand like a puddle of water.
Speaker 3: Nikki said that that one guy that could be trusted
was Mick. Yeah, you know, and in this case she
got him hook line and singer, which.
Speaker 2: Was a problem because she was an employee of the band,
and so you've got because of the way Mick is,
you've got an employee leading him around by the nose.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, she passed away a few years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she passed away in twenty seventeen. They had actually
they actually got married and were married for like four years.
Speaker 4: I think, Yeah, I've been trying to figure out why
the riff is so effective. I think it's because in
a lot of modern pop music, were used to hearing
songs and multiples of four one two three four two
two three four, but this one does it adds an
extra two beats, So basically the riff stretches out over
ten beats, and I think that extra little two beats
of anticipation when it makes it even even more effective
when it comes back.
Speaker 3: In second single released August of nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 2: What was the first single, Jason, Let's go on to
the first single.
Speaker 3: That song was called Girls, Girls, Girls, And what.
Speaker 4: You gotta love about this song is, I mean they
always say you're supposed to write what you know. I mean,
it's a pretty simple, straightforward rock. The enthusiasm that comes
through about the subject matter on this song.
Speaker 2: This is the song that caused me to start listening
to Motley Kirr. To be specific, this was the video
that I saw and I said, I really really like
Motley Krer. I think they have some really good music.
Speaker 4: Like a trip down Memory Lane.
Speaker 2: Huh, Like we said.
Speaker 3: This was the first single disreach number twelve on the
Hot one hundred.
Speaker 2: This became the stripper anthem because it's literally a song
about strippers.
Speaker 4: You know, I always hear about people going to Major
League Baseball parks, trying to make it a thing to
see every major park. It was wondered if someone's ever
done like stripper log instead of a travel log. I
tried to see all these clubs in one trip.
Speaker 3: So you teed me up right there. So I've got
to tell you about all the strip joints that are
name checked in this song real quick.
Speaker 2: All right, you guys ready for this? Yes, here you go.
Speaker 3: The Dollhouse in for Lauderdale. They hung out there in
nineteen eighty four during the Theater of Pain tour. Tattletales
Lounge is in Atlanta. Interesting thing about this. In two
thousand and nine, one of the dancers claim to have
hooked up with Josh Duhamel guy who is married to Fergie.
He's an actor, had some controversy there. You've got the
Seventh Veil in La this is still open. This is
actually where the music video was filmed. And according to
one dancer, there's still tons of cocaine passing through the
Seventh Veil.
Speaker 2: No. Yes, Crazy Horse in Paris, France.
Speaker 4: It's still open.
Speaker 3: Celebrity sidings at Crazy Horse, Paris, France. You're ready for this,
Scarlett Johansson, Rihanna, Lona del Rey, Robin Thick, Kevin Costner.
This is like that place that Clark goes to with
Ellen in European vacation. Kind of a fancier place.
Speaker 2: It's one of the landmarks.
Speaker 5: It is.
Speaker 2: You go to the Louver, you go to the Eiffel Tower.
Crazy Horse, Crazy Horse. All right.
Speaker 3: You've got the body Shop in La you can tell
by the giant sign outside that says girls, Girls Girls.
Then you've got the Marble Arch in Vancouver. Tommy Lee
and Vince Neil had their own VIP section in this place.
It has been closed and condemned. It looks like bombs
went off at this place after it's heyday in the eighties.
It was purchased and turned into a cleaner karaoke club
run by Mormons. This new rebranding didn't work. Imagine that
they even invited Motley Crue to come check it out.
Speaker 2: Guess who didn't show.
Speaker 3: Up, Molly Crue. Okay, lastly, you have the Tropic Cana.
Vince lost his heart in Tropic Canno. It's known for
oil wrestling and mud wrestling.
Speaker 2: So there you go. So April twelfth, nineteen eighty seven,
Tommy Lee, Wayne Eisham, and Nikki six are doing a
tour to find the perfect place to shoot the Girls
Girls Girls video, and Nicky points out, Wayne really gets
where we come from. It's just a shame that that
bastard steals our ideas for Bonjo. So they shot the
video at the Seventh Vale. When they got done shooting
at Seventh Veil, they said, okay, let's go over to
Wayne's studio. We're gonna shoot some insert shots at the
studio location. And so Wayne is with Tommy and one
limo and Nicky is left in another limo and Wayne says,
you know what, let's stop at this Mexican food place
and gets some shooters and Tommy's like, all right, man
shooters and strippers. And so when they walk in the door,
Nicky six is already there with a line of shooters
and he looks up and he's like, what are you
guys doing here? It wasn't a line of shooters for them.
He had no idea they were coming. It was all
for him, because Nicky doesn't go halfway. He goes zero
or ten. That's it.
Speaker 3: You know you mentioned the unedited version. They actually sent
the unedited version to MTV and said this is our
video for girls, girls girls, knowing full well that they
were going to reject it.
Speaker 2: So what happens. Sure enough, MTV rejects it.
Speaker 3: They send in the video they actually want, and that's
the one that we got.
Speaker 2: It worked, It worked. It was the number one video.
Like they had some sort of Battle of the Bands
or whatever it's like TV, right, yes, something like that,
where they won and then they won again, and they
won again, in like fourteen times in a row they won,
and I really we won again, and so finally MTV
just took him off. It wasn't even that they lost.
They took him off and they established what was called
the crew rule. You can't go more than what I
guess fourteen times before you're done.
Speaker 4: Yeah, as usual. Some parts of Vince's lyrics always make
me perk up my ears. Like he says, talks about
someone telling him a story, and I've always wondered what
story you wanted the stripper to tell him. I always
pictured some obscure Doctor Seuss, but like, oh, the strip
clubs you will see or something like that, it doesn't
give as much clue beyond that.
Speaker 3: Okay, I've got a question for you guys. Do you
all know who Marjorie and Orban is? No?
Speaker 2: Did you come across this?
Speaker 4: I did not, Okay.
Speaker 3: Marjorie and Orban is one of the girls in the video.
She worked at the Dollhouse in for Lauderdale. In two
thousand and nine, she was convicted of murder for her
husband Jay. So here's the deal. Jay Orban was found
in the desert wrapped in a trash bag. She cut
him up like they cut him up, headless, armless, legless,
torso and put in like a giant cooler and buried
in the desert. She was seen buying the equipment for
the murder. So actually, one of the girls in the
video is doing life in prison for killing her husband cooler.
Speaker 2: Really glad that you explained that, because I thought, man,
he has to be a really small guy to fit
inside of a cooler. That is torso oh.
Speaker 3: When they were interviewing the girls to appear in this video,
Wayne Aisham said, there's a lot of beautiful girls, but
a lot of them couldn't dance, so they they're dancing
was not up to standards. So actually, the girl in
the fishnet stockings at the very.
Speaker 2: Beginning of the video, she is a hired dancer. I
can just imagine somebody turning off the video. Oh my gosh,
these girls can't dance.
Speaker 4: Was a toe drag or whatever.
Speaker 3: Hey, I do have one story about this. So they
were working on the song before the video and Mick
Mars wasn't really happy with the riff that he had
come up with, and so he had talked to Nicky
and he said, hey, man, I'm gonna tweak that riff.
And he goes, I'm gonna do an eight ball cocaine
tonight and when I come back in the morning, i'm
gonna have a better riff.
Speaker 2: Sure enough, that worked, and here we go.
Speaker 4: You always hear about Steven Tower and Joe Pierre say,
and they consume the gross national product of Columbia or
whatever back in there. You gotta wonder what the crew consumed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Nicky six by himself was a force to be
wrecked with Tommy Lee at least had to work around
Heather Lockler's schedule, Oh mom's home stuff off. Straighten up everybody.
Speaker 4: A lot of people don't realize Tommy Lee is kind
of a savantal drums. He's not like a Neil Peart
type player, but he always seems to find something cool
to spice up every song.
Speaker 2: He would find the soul of that song in the drums.
Speaker 4: Friend of mine named Kyrie Smith made me a set
recording the first Shout at the Devil album my freshman
year in high school, and I was just starting to
play drums still at that time. I spent way too
much time trying to figure out those tracks, obviously when
my mom wasn't around, because they won't have to explain
Shouting at the Devil.
Speaker 3: It's at mom at. I was gonna make mention there's
a scene in the video where Vince actually throws the
girl over his shoulder and is carrying her out. That
is shrise, Neil. They actually got married. Oh my gosh,
he married that girl.
Speaker 2: Okay, she's actually the mother of Skyler Neil, the girl
who developed cancer and died. All right, we'd bring it down. Well,
I'm sorry about that, okay. Can I tell you the
story of how Wayne met the guys from Motley Crew?
Speaker 4: Sure?
Speaker 2: Okay. So he was a stage manager for the A
and M soundstage in LA and Motley came into shoot
the Shout at the Devil video. Before the video, all
the members of the band are like, we need some
Jack Daniels. What nobody had anything except for Wayne. Wayne.
He's like, I got a bottle of jack in my office. Actually,
I'm like, okay, great, he said, first video, and they
drank his entire body before this shoot. But it was
a great meeting because the very first video that he
shot for them was the smoking in the Boys Room
video and then Home Sweet Home, both of which really
put them on the map as far as MTV is concerned.
But again, he routinely had to deal with Nicki complaining
about stealing his stuff for bon Jovi, and at one
point Nicki actually sucker punched him and said, f you, Wayne,
stop stealing our stuff.
Speaker 4: I saw the crew twice, first back in eighty seven
and a second time in two thousand and six, one
of their reunion tours, when my wife was eight months pregnant,
which may explain when my daughter loves that's a medal
and all. I think they played both of these songs
Wildside and Girls Girls Girls both shows.
Speaker 3: These two right out of the gate are bangers.
Speaker 2: Yep, so what have we got for number three?
Speaker 3: The third song on the album is a song called
Dancing on Glass.
Speaker 2: The beginning of this song makes me feel like you're
about to introduce me to the villain in some sort
of dark nineties movie. Okay, it's just thirty. It's like
you get ready to be introduced to the devil.
Speaker 3: The story behind this song you can tell by the words.
It's very autobiographical, right right, So you've got things like
found Me in the trash, Silverspoon and needle, Witchy, tombstone, smile,
and I Engrave my veins with style.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The full line is Valentine's in London, found Me
in the trash. That is a reference to that I
mentioned before February nineteen eighty six. He's getting some drugs
from a hyped out druggie and when he does them
and dies the drug, he panics and throws him into
a dumpster.
Speaker 3: Even before he throws him in the trash she beats
him to death with a baseball bat. Because the guy
doesn't know what to do, and to try to revive him,
he thumps him with a baseball bat.
Speaker 2: I think they teach that in CPR.
Speaker 3: Actually turned blue and he woke up in the trash bin.
And then does he stop? No, he doesn't stop.
Speaker 4: I remember reading that this song was written after the
band or management or somebody had a little intervention. They
had some counselor waiting to meet up with him. Of
course Nicki stomped out, but the councilor following him and
told him said, look, I can help you kick heroin
without going to rehab. And they went to his house,
throughout all the needles and other parafernalia laying around, and
Nicky said he sat down and wrote this song that night.
Speaker 3: Bob Timmins was actually the guy that night.
Speaker 2: He wrote Dancing on Glass.
Speaker 4: One of the biggest problems I had with this album.
And there are a lot of things I like. There's
a lot of times the lyrics seem a bit just
thrown out there. They didn't put a lot of thought
into him. It's not the case on this song. I
think this contains some of Nicki's best lyrics on the album.
Speaker 2: There's some really good lyrics on here, and because, like
you said, they are writing what they know, and this
was this was his life at that point. Apparently, the
July fifth show in eighty seven in Memphis, they're playing
this song and during the song, a guy in the
crowd froze a bundle of drugs onto the stage and
then mimes shooting up at Nicky as if it were
a you know, thank you or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Later on that night he says, I have a story
about a girl, a banana and some leftover fireworks, but
I'm too tired to tell it. My imagination just ran
wild of that one.
Speaker 3: The interesting thing to me on this song is it's
you have lyrics like I've been through hell and I'm
never going back, and then like right after that, I
need one more rush than I know, I know I'll stop,
and so it's very similar to those feelings of I'm
totally quitting, I'm out, I'm never doing this again, and
then ten minutes later they're like, need another rush.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this was a gritty song. In some ways. It
took me back to the too Fast for Love shout
at the Devil era of course. Then we go to
our gospel interlude, which took me by shock the first
time I heard it.
Speaker 2: I thought, these first three songs, they're gritty, they're kind
of sleazy, they're kind of dirty, they're almost pre appetite
for destruction under belly of La type of feel. Yeah,
it's funny because this was before Guns n' Roses hit big,
but he was already friends with Slash. He talks about
how Slash had this band that they'd put together and
they really hadn't hit it big get and he said,
I want to get you guys an opening slot on
our show. But at that point they had White Snake
opening for him, but he was ready to get rid
of them and get Slash and Axel doing the opening set.
If you hear the story from our other Motley Crue
episode about the second death of Nikki six, Slash was
there and freaking out and actually got punched out by
his girlfriend.
Speaker 3: Check out our Doctor Phil Good episode for that story.
Speaker 4: And I did a little research that's out of curiosity.
It appears that The girl doing the backup gospel vocals
was named Phyllis Saint James. Okay, Motown had a pretty
extensive Motown pedigree, which has also done vocals for like
backing vocals I think for Paul Young and Pink Floyd
on occasion. So she had some serious gospel chops. It
was just interesting to hear here hers throwing into.
Speaker 2: A crew song. Yeah, sweet Chiva, you are my Jesus
this witch. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And I had no idea what Chieva was at the time,
being a you know, boy growing up in rural North Louisiana.
Interesting that with a slang term for heroe.
Speaker 2: All right, anything else on this one? To me? This
is number three song on the album. Number one is
number one, number two is number two, and number three
is number three. Okay.
Speaker 3: Song number four is called bad Boy Boogie.
Speaker 2: Well they're coming strong with the blues on this one,
Yeah they are. I enjoyed this song a lot. Not
quite a rocker, but not a skipper either.
Speaker 3: It's not a skipper, absolutely not dans.
Speaker 2: Where are you with this one? Man?
Speaker 4: Usually it's a skipper. I don't know. It just felt
too formulaic at this point. There's some fun parts to
it like the drums are fun, Mick Morris plays great,
but it just was almost like a mad Libs sleazy
lyric song. Although you know, all this talk of pies
and puny jars and thirty eight and all that sounds
like you're singing about Jessica Rabbit. But I don't know.
Speaker 2: Hey, I look this up.
Speaker 3: Thirty eight twenty eight, thirty eight is clearly measurements, right,
giant boob, small waist, big butt.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: So I looked up Anna Nicole Smith when she did
Playboy in May of nineteen ninety two. Her measurements were
thirty six twenty six thirty eight.
Speaker 2: So pretty close lot, as close as you can do. Okay.
Speaker 3: The lyrics of this song will featured in a prominent
advertising campaign a few years ago.
Speaker 2: Any guesses on the company you got me? Okay?
Speaker 3: The lyric goes, We're innocent in every way like apple
Pie and Chevrolet.
Speaker 2: It was on a Chevrolet commercial.
Speaker 3: Okaye, better lock up your daughters when the Motley's hit
the road.
Speaker 2: No truer words have ever been spoken. Okay, So I
gotta tell an on the road story, all right, Yes, okay,
so we got Fred Saunders, Yes right, So Fred Saunders
was the former Hell's Angel who they had as their
head of security, and Fred would routinely have to enact
security upon them. He broke Tommy Lee's nose. He broke
Nicky Six's ribs at one point because he was out
of control. And he said, and I routinely beat out
of Vince Neil because well he's an asshole.
Speaker 3: This is called fun and nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 2: I don't know why these guys got a bad boy rep.
Speaker 4: When I started listening to this album, I really did
try to keep just a track of lyrical felonies. I
gave up after the first.
Speaker 3: Oh, we're about to get into some of the more
serious felonies.
Speaker 2: That sounds like that sounds like a great band name
right there. We're the lyrical felonies.
Speaker 3: That's pretty good.
Speaker 4: You write that down.
Speaker 2: Moving on to one of the more interesting songs on this.
Speaker 6: Album musically, it's interesting the way it's recorded.
Speaker 4: And I'm not going to say something bad about a
song about someone's grandmother.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, Nikki six had a horrible relationship with
his mother. We mentioned she kind of went through men
routinely and would run off with men and leave him
with basically strangers, and so he ended up being raised
by his grandparents quite a bit, Tom Reese and no Noah,
and No Noah was a mother figure for him that
he did not have. He truly loved her deeply. And
then I believe it was in eighty five or eighty
six she passed away, but he was so strung out
at that point he could not force himself to go
to her funeral. And he was so depressed about the
fact that he was this strung out that he sat
down and while watching TV wrote this song. Tom was
the good old boy granddad that would take him hunting
and fishing and stuff like that. He actually eventually came
out to see Nicki a few times and after the
funeral and everything, and he Nicki would try to clean
himself up, but basically could only get to the stage
where he would just do a little bit of drugs
to get him through instead of the mountain that he
would normally do. And he was trying to hide it
from Tom, but Tom knew better. But Tom said, you know,
I can't fix him. He's going to choose to fix himself,
he said. So he'd be kind of strung out and
people would come to the door, and I'd just let
him in. Usually it was girls, and unless they looked
too darn young, I wouldn't let those girls in, or
if they were drug dealers, and then I would tell
them they got to go, he said. One old boy
got a little persistent until I waved a shotgun in
his face. He didn't come back again after that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, with songs like this, I mean, you get the
idea that there's a pretty keen melodic and musical sense
lurking behind Nicki and probably the other guys. They don't
show it all the time, but when they did, it
really makes you wonder what they could have done. They
didn't have so much hero whin in their blood system
at the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well what they could have done was Doctor Fielder,
which was the number one album that they had, So
there you go. I'm not sure if it was this song,
but in January, just a little while before he had
the little tryst with Becky from Wildside, he showed up
to practice, started teaching Tommy and Mick this song and
then Tommy's like, dude, what's on your hand? And it
was that his veins had all collapsed and that it
just looked so bad that it looked like he had
been had this weird tattoo or something. And he got
up and he's like, I got to the bathroom and
then he didn't come back. So he comes back in
on the next day. He sits down and he starts
teaching him this new song that he's written, and he's
like and they were really getting it, and then I realized, oh,
this is the same song I was trying to teach
them yesterday. It's a bad shit It's a bad shite hit.
Speaker 3: Stop on your tape player, kick it out, flip it
over side too. And we start off with a song
called five Years Dead.
Speaker 2: Okay, So as we were doing our text exchange over
the week, I gave you a hot take on this
one and I said, I think this is the most
underrated song on the album. I also said it sounds
a whole lot like another song that was big in
nineteen eighty seven, Right, you remember what I said.
Speaker 3: It sounded line Once Bitten Twice Shy by great Way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got the same rhythm. It's obviously got you know,
heavy crunchy guitars instead of the piano that Once Bitten has.
But if you listen to five Years Dead and then
you sing mam Ma. It's the same melody. Yeah, and
they both have that same bluesy style about them. These
two songs are super close.
Speaker 3: I almost fell over when you said that, because you
nailed it.
Speaker 4: This is another one of those songs that have grown
on me after repeated listening over the last few days. Musically,
it's fun to listen to Mick Moore's is in some
cool bluesy metal stuff when his guitar Tommy Lee doing
the cool drum breaks. I wouldn't put this in the
top tier on the album, but it's definitely crept into
my top five.
Speaker 2: Wow. See this is a skipper for me. Oh my gosh,
this is a skipper.
Speaker 3: It's okay, it just doesn't stand out from the crowd.
Speaker 2: I think if they had released this one and released
it before once Bit and everybody went like great Whites
just to knockoff of five Years Dead, that's the real song. Okay,
You're entrance by sixty sou from Hong Kong or what? Well,
who wouldn't be So here's the story. February nineteenth, nineteen
eighty seven, Nikki six goes to an antique bookstore and
picks up a book called five Years Dead, and he
said it just seemed kind of fitting. And then he says,
what is it about antiques that intrigues me? There's a
feeling of history, a story not so plain to see
that it seeps from the wood. It somehow makes me
feel comfortable. I almost bought an old coffin today, but
I couldn't think of where to keep it in this house. Wow,
maybe he should go live with Phil Spector, that old
glass coffin Phil Spector. So that was February nineteenth. February twentieth,
four in the morning. So I've started writing a song
called five Years Dead. I guess it's another attempt at
capturing what Aerosmith did on their first album. What a
great record. It brings back all the best and worst
memories of Seattle. How I survived those days, I'll never know.
So thinking about Aerosmith and this kind of bluesy style,
I can definitely hear the similarities. Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 4: Lyrically, it's an interesting turn of phrase. It sounds like
they're given some sort of scenario where somebody's in jail
for another one of those lyrical felonies we discussed, But
it's down there away for five years. Is the phrase
five years dead seems like an interesting way of describing
that situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's interesting because, just like you mentioned just
a second ago, he mentions himself, He's like, we recorded
five years dead today and it sounds badass. I don't
know how I'm writing songs like this when I'm this
close to dying. I wonder what it would be like
if I were writing songs straight.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 3: Here's a quote from Nikki six On this one. The
lyrics are very raw. Wild Side Girls, Girls, Girls, and
five years Dead are great examples where I felt like
I really kneeled it.
Speaker 2: There you go, Okay, all right, here we go.
Speaker 3: Second song on side two, this song called All in
the Name.
Speaker 2: Of talk about lyrical felonies.
Speaker 4: If this song were a person who could not go
within one hundred yards of certain schools.
Speaker 3: All right, you know who this song is written about, right, No,
I'm about to blow your doors off man.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the first line of the song is she's
only fifteen. She's the reason, the reason I can't sleep.
This song is written about Tracy Lord's.
Speaker 3: One of the most infamous porn stars in history.
Speaker 2: Tracy Lords had gone to Hollywood to become a star
at fifteen years old. She convinced the porn directors that
she was old enough to be in the show.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, she just happened to be in the July
nineteen eighty four Penthouse magazine that just so happened to
be the one that featured pictures from Vanessa Williams Miss America,
and so that had so much staying power. Bob GUCCIONI
made fourteen million dollars from that issue alone.
Speaker 4: Wow, fourteen year old at the time, I could neither
confirm nor deny that that.
Speaker 2: But well, I've mentioned the cousins of California, of the
twins that I went and saw the rated our movies
with at a very young age. They also had a
large collection of magazines, and I may have seen one
of I may have seen that Vanessa Williams inadvertently. Yes,
that's right. I can neither confirm nor tonight.
Speaker 4: Lash back to the top Gun series. Wasn't it Terry
Nunn from Berlin who also had a similar fifteen year
old experience or.
Speaker 2: Something that's exactly right, almost exactly eight years before.
Speaker 3: Yes, Verry Nunn, lead singer of Berlin who sang take
My Breath away. Go back to our top Gun soundtrack
episode check.
Speaker 2: Out on it.
Speaker 3: Okay, so we talked about how Children of the Night
is a song designed to start concerts. All in the
Name Of is a song designed to start concerts. In fact,
this was the opening track for the Motley Cruez segment
of the Moscow Peace Festival when Motley Crue and Scorpions
and bon Jovi and skid Row and Cinderella and Gorky
Park went over and played this massive concert in Moscow.
Speaker 4: Scorpions should have written a song about that.
Speaker 2: Well, the CIA did. We need to talk about that sometimes.
Speaker 3: If you guys have ever seen the movie Like Father,
Like Son starring Dudley Moore and Kirk Cameron, dropped in
nineteen eighty seven, is one of those body switch movies,
right ye, kind of like Vice Versa and Freaky Friday and.
Speaker 2: Some of those eighteen again eighteen again, there's a lot
of them, right yeah.
Speaker 3: In the movie Like Father, Like Son, they use this
song All in the Name Of and they also use Wildside.
Speaker 4: Wildside got used. I've seen it in the office and
other places. It's been all over the place.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 4: If y'all see me twirling the drumsticks in the background.
I do because we're mentioning Tommy Lee.
Speaker 2: When I was.
Speaker 4: Younger, I taped the videos off MTV for Looks to
Kill and Too Young to Fall in Love, and I
would pause them over and over to watch the spot
where he just looks at the camera and goes like that.
I said, okay, one day, one day, gentlemen, I will
do that. And it's easy to fake, but it looks
so cool when you did it in the video.
Speaker 2: Well done. I told you guys that I was watching
the Dirt last night, you know, for research purposes. Yeah,
for sure, And before my daughter walked in, I had
to stop half like, but that's a great scene where
he sits down and starts talking to Nicky for the
first time, and he's got his drumstick with him and
he starts twirling it around. And Nikki's like, where'd you
learn to do that? And He's like, I was in
Marching band.
Speaker 3: I have got a road story. Can I tell this
road story?
Speaker 4: Sure? Okay.
Speaker 3: So they did all kinds of crazy stuff. One particular night,
Nikki talked about how all four guys from the band
went down to the hotel lobby bar. They pulled out
their white snakes and laid them on the bar. They
poured Jack Daniels over all.
Speaker 4: Four.
Speaker 2: You know you mean my Johnson? You're Johnson.
Speaker 3: They lived on fire, okay, And the next the next morning,
Nicki six couldn't understand why he was missing hair.
Speaker 2: His pubes were burned off.
Speaker 3: If we had a if we had a manscaped episode,
that would be a great tie in right there.
Speaker 2: So you mentioned guns and Roses. His deal with Slash,
He's like, I love Slash, but he would always piss
my bed, like he would get so blitzed out drunk,
he would piss the bed and he goes. And one
night when we were on tour together, he goes in
the hotel room. He can't even make it up to
his room. He's so drunk. He falls asleep on the
couch and pisses the couch. Then he wakes up and
he realizes he's in the wrong hotel, so he has
to get out. It's freezing cold outside, and he's wandering
around in the streets with free with basically no clothes
on and his pants wet with piss and it's freezing cold.
Speaker 3: I listened to a story last night, Nikki six, talking
about how he woke up hungover, not sure what happened.
When he puts the clues together, it's kind of like
the hangover. He realized that he saw Fred Sanders' bed
in half and tried.
Speaker 2: To push the couch up with them. Oh my gosh,
So there you go.
Speaker 4: That is Keith Moon approved rock star behavior. This is
a skipper for me.
Speaker 2: This is a skipper.
Speaker 4: I just feel like I need to take a shower.
After I listened to it, the sleeve factor got dialed
up a few notches on that one.
Speaker 2: This is a definite skipper for me. This is and
not because of the subject matter, not that I cared
one way or the other, but it's just I don't
think it's a good song.
Speaker 3: Okay, you guys are both wrong. But speaking of filler music,
let's move on to the next song. This song is
called something for Nothing.
Speaker 2: Hey, this is a skipper for me. This song. I
can really hear the influence of Rick Nielsen on this one.
This sounds like Nielsen. Yeah, sounds like a cheap trick song.
And he and Nicky six were very good friends. He
looked at Nicky looked at him as a mentor and
discusses how he would call Rick up and try to
act straight, and then he'd be like, hold on for
a minute, and then he'd go shoot up, throw up,
come back to the phone. And Rick was the kind
of guy that would still be there, ready to listen
to whatever it was he had to say.
Speaker 3: This Songe reminds me of Brattlesnake Shake from Doctor Feel Good.
Speaker 8: It's just the cow bell. It's just a little bit goofy.
I got a fever. The only killer is more cow bell.
It's a total killer in my opinion.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's kind of a skipper for me. And
I guess Vince didn't mean the lyrics literally because he
says I've got a toy guaranteed to put the spring
back in your socks. Number one selling toys in eighty
seven were like Teddy Ruckspin and Cabbage Batch Doll, so
I'm assuming he wasn't referring to that. Also, sixty three
sixteen once again lyrical felony.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the lyrics are goofy. The music doesn't really capture me.
For me, this is really the only surefire skipper on
the album.
Speaker 4: I agree, this is a definite skipper for me as well.
Speaker 2: No argument here, no definite skipper wow, all three on
this one.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, moving on to the next song on
the album.
Speaker 2: This song is called You're All I Need.
Speaker 3: Okay, the the floor is yours.
Speaker 2: Well, you're making me tell this story?
Speaker 3: No, I just want your opinion first before we tell
the story.
Speaker 2: Okay, this okay? So just to start off, this is
the song with the best story with the worst music.
This was my other hot take of the week. This
song sounds like me when I was seventeen with my
four track recorder. This song is not a well made song.
I don't like it at all, James.
Speaker 4: There is something a little off about the production. I
don't know if it's piano or keyboard, or the drums
have too much reverb on them, but something does sound
strange about it. I don't think it's a bad song.
I actually like the song. Probably never made many makeing
out lists of nineteen eighty seven for obvious reasons. My
crew standards.
Speaker 2: They're wrong about that. But keep going. Okay, dude, if
you're putting this on your makeout list and the girl
has any idea what it's about, she's gonna be like,
what is wrong with you?
Speaker 5: You?
Speaker 3: Fred, Well, that's the cold key, right. This was my
secret weapon in eighty seven.
Speaker 2: But keep going, Oh my god, you should keep it
a secret.
Speaker 4: The crew balls. I don't think this was a bad song.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, James, you ben't want to step back
because I'm about to spike the football, Spike the volleyball,
dunk the basketball.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: This is my favorite song on this album.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: I absolutely love it, and the story behind it is
incredibly cool.
Speaker 2: But the music to me is so sad, heartbreaking. I agree,
it's sad, intense. No no, no, no, see, I agree
with all that.
Speaker 4: Just listening to it now, it sounds a little odd
the core as the production goes.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I think it's beautiful. This song was
praised by John Monjovi as the greatest Motley Crue ballad
of all time.
Speaker 2: I was going to tell you you are at least
in good company because John bon Jovi did love this song. Yes,
shall we tell the story? Yeah, go ahead, Okay. So
this song came about on March sixth, nineteen eighty seven.
They were in the studio and Tommy he started playing
the little piece on the piano in the other room
and Nicky came in, they sat down together, they wrote,
these are his words. We wrote a gorgeous song that
Barry Manilo would be proud of. Now he writes this song,
but the lyrics are the important part. So he had
been dating this girl named Nicole, I know Nicole's last name.
But he had been dating this girl, Nicole, and she
was apparently pretty awesome. But he was confident that she
had had an affair while they were on the Theater
of Pain tour, because I'm sure Nicky was completely celibate
the entire time. Oh yeah, absolutely, no question about it. Yeah.
The second part is he believes she had an affair
with a soap opera star named Jack Wagner. Yes, now,
as it happens. Jack Wagner also did a bit of
singing himself here, and he is among one of the
one hit wonders of the eighties with a song called
all I Need.
Speaker 3: You're blowing my mind right here, man, you are blowing
my mind. Play that song right here.
Speaker 4: I do remember this one from a high school dancer too.
Speaker 2: It was huge in nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 4: I mean, thank god it wasn't Michael Damien. She was cheating.
Speaker 5: Only there.
Speaker 3: That is a deep cut right there, man, Michael Damien
with rock on.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm gonna go on record right now and
say that Jack Wagner song is a thousand times better
than this piece of craft.
Speaker 3: How toy here, it's the worst take of all time,
right there.
Speaker 2: I love that song. I am not a pop guy.
I'm a hard heavy metal guy. But that song was
the song I remember. And this song is a song
I want to forget.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, you have been wrong many times before,
but this is the most egregious thing you've ever said
on this podcast.
Speaker 2: So anyway, so he's he actually says, he goes. The
fact that I had had sex with over two hundred
different people while tour didn't even enter into my mental equation.
So he writes this song and it, he says, I
guess it's a take on taxi driver in the sense
that if you really love somebody, you'd kill them so
that nobody else can have them, right, Yeah, no, you psychopath.
So then the rest of the keep going. So then
the rest of the story is he records this song
and then once they had the track down, he gleefully
takes it over to her house. Now he's Nicole and
he done many many drugs together, and then they went
to rehab together, and when they got done with rehab,
they realized the only thing they had in common was drugs,
and so he broke up with her. She broke up
with him, whatever it was. But she knows that he's
got this suspicion about Jack Wagner, General hospital guy. He goes,
He's like, I got this song I wrote for you.
He doesn't tell her what's about. I wrote this song
for you. And when it starts playing and she realizes
that the chorus includes the words all I need, she's like,
you so so yeah, and she kicks him out, and
after that it gets about killing her. Yes, but yeah,
I don't know that she even got that part right.
It's pretty subtle. It's subtle, right, if you don't see
the video, you don't quite get what it's really about.
Then he thinks, I'm going to take this a step further.
He literally calls a couple of pipe hitting guys to
go and break Jack Wagner's knees. He's like, this is
where he rehearses, this is where they filmed General Hospital.
I want you to find him, and I want you
to break his legs. So the next day, Nicole calls
him and she's like, what did you do because Jack
Wagner's legs have been broken. Yes, and he's like, oh
my gosh, this is the coolest thing I've ever done.
And then his pipe Hitt and buddies call him up
and they're like, hey, sorry, man, we couldn't find them.
We don't know where, we couldn't a what. It turns
out that Wagner had like fallowed off of the stage
during rehearsal and broken his own legs. It was just
a weird The story amazing, It's a crazy, crazy story,
well worth the time for the song. But yeah, definitely
a skipper. I cannot believe he said it's the best
song on the album. This is my favorite Motley Crue
song of all time. Oh let me say that again.
This is my favorite Molly Crue song of all time.
This is where the record screeches. Now once again, this
is okay? So what's better this one or Man in
the Mirror mister ooh tough call, Oh my tough thriller.
Hey listen.
Speaker 3: I was telling James that where wherever you enter the
Motley Crue universe, that's the soft spot that you have
right there. So a lot of people entered with Doctor Fieldgod,
it was a mainstream album, and they love without You
or they love Doctor Filgerder same ol situation. When I
was fourteen years old, this song captured me like none other,
and I am super nostalgic, so I'm.
Speaker 2: Hanging on to that.
Speaker 3: This was the third single release, This is You Got Wildside.
You've got Girls, Girls girls, and You've got your All
I Need. This was released October nineteenth of nineteen eighty seven.
The video was banned by MTV, yeah and effectively killing
the song.
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's Wayne Eisham said before the video, we had
to talk about what we wanted. We'd seen this news
story about a guy who had killed his girlfriend, which
Nikki related to some events in his own life. Plus
he loved Sid and Nancy, so he kind of wanted
a video about this kind of self destructive relationship. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I know, murder ballads have a long and storied place.
I doubt that's what Nicky was thinking. Back when I
was in high school in this came out, the urban
legend was this was based on a real story about
someone killing I mean, we had no idea about the
Jack Wagner angle. And I checked with my wife Leanna
and my sister and they both were like, yeah, I
thought that was about somebody who really killed someone.
Speaker 2: Okay, So here we go. April second, nineteen eighty seven, Tommy,
a guy named Dwayne Baron, and Nikki are all going fishing.
They have done coke all night long, and then they
go out to the lake to go fishing and they
decided to come back in to get some beer. When
they come back in, Doc McGee is there to greet them,
and he said, Hey, I just wanted to let you
guys know John bon Jovi listened to your song and
he think it's the greatest you've written, the greatest song
of your career. And so Nicky says, which song? And
he says, You're all I need. And he said did
he listen to the lyrics? And Doc's like, why, what's
it about? And he tells him and Doc is like,
you're an asshole.
Speaker 3: This song has been called one of their best songs.
It's also been called filler. It seems to me it's
just a polarizing song.
Speaker 2: You either love it or you hate it.
Speaker 3: Skipper, I can hear Patreon member Cameron Ecker, my college buddy,
laughing right now, he's destroying me in his mind.
Speaker 2: I'm going to get a phone call from him this week.
Cameron always agrees with me. Cameron does agree with you
all the time. Do you know why he's my friend?
Because he's right?
Speaker 3: I love it, I love it, I love it, spiked
the football. Best song on the album.
Speaker 4: Oh, I guess hey, before we move on, somebody wants
to say hi, Hey, head Hannah, come say hi, Hi there.
Speaker 1: I'm good.
Speaker 6: How about y'all?
Speaker 2: You're the coolest girl in Northern Louisiana that we know. Absolutely,
thank you. You can't listen to this one. This is
a mature seventeen. We kept it pretty clean, given the fact,
and we should have, given the fact that we all
have daughters. All right, we moving on to the last
track on the album. Now, Yeah, the thing they had
to fill with. You can't not call this as a
filler because they didn't have anything left to give. They
had to pull some random piece out of the live set. Okay,
let's get into it. This song is called Jelhouse rock.
Speaker 3: Dude. Mick Mars is on display on this one.
Speaker 2: I have absolutely no trouble listening to Mick Mar's whale
on this petigular song. I love the original Elvis version,
listened to it all the time when I was a kid.
And Mick is absolutely killing it. Tommy is absolutely killing
it as usual. Vince Neil's voice singing this song makes
me want to dig my fingers into my ears. It's horrible.
What are you? How are you? Vince can sing some heavy,
hard songs. I love his voice on a lot of stuff,
but not this song. It's terrible. I think he sounds fantastic. No, no,
I've heard him sound a lot worse. Yeah, well yeah,
I think I saw him doing the uh no. That
was the worst ever. But this is a close second.
I think, James, where are you at this one?
Speaker 4: Man? It's pretty clear they were out of material by
this time as far as covers go. I mean, I
don't believe this was live. It feels like the live
sound was piped into the studio. There's an old joke
about Judas Priest. I have a live album called Live
in the East. People call it live in the Studio.
I think that's kind of what situation here was. It
seems kind of pointless, but from a musical standpoint, Like
D said, Mick is shredding all over the place on
this one. During the chorus, Tommy Lee plays this really
fast double bassed shuffle a Glex Van Halen plays and
Hot for Teacher, and that alone. I won't skip it
just because of that.
Speaker 3: See, they get a lot of crap for having a
cover on the album, but people seem to forget. I mean,
Smoking in the Boys Room was a cover off of
Theater Pain. It did pretty well. People seem to love it.
I don't know why Joe has Rock is all of
a sudden, you know, the worst thing ever. But I
think it's cool. I think it sounds great. I think
it sounds like a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: This song was the reason why I really wanted to
go see the concert when they came through my tent.
I also love the fact that my next door neighbor's dad,
who is a huge Elvis fan, thought this was complete sacrilege.
Motley Crue tearing down Elvis, I thought was the coolest thing.
I'm like, yes, Crewe not a skipper.
Speaker 2: Love it. In fact, top down, turn it up.
Speaker 4: We know for a fact if it was live or not,
because that's always been in the back of my head
because he's telling some people they've got some effing jive,
and I'm just wondering who he's talking to. But I
tell you, Ony, that's one of the musical things I've
always wanted to learn how to play that fast double
bass shuffle. I keep working on it. One day I'm
going to have it. I remember my mom, who was
also a huge Elvis fan, actually liked this one.
Speaker 3: If you guys are listening out there and you know
where and when this particular version of Jailhaus Rock was played,
please let us know. Hit us up on Facebook, hit
us up on Twitter, choose an email we'd love to know.
By the way, Rolling Stone magazine called Jailhaus Rock number
sixty seven greatest song of all time the Elvis version,
the Elvis version.
Speaker 4: I don't go out of my way to listen to
this one. If I'm listening to the album and it
gets to it, I won't skip it all.
Speaker 3: Right, Before we get to final judgment, let's hear from
our good friend Pat Hanagallo of the thirty something Movie podcast.
Speaker 2: Let's hear what he has to say.
Speaker 9: Hey, guys, Pat here to weigh in on White Snake
nineteen eighty seven versus Motley Crue, Girls, Girls Girls. First
of all, these are two fantastic albums. I love all
of the music that is on there. The White Snake album,
right from the get go, you have hit after hit
after hit. I remember getting this cassette when I was
a kid and just listening to one side, Flip it over,
other side, flip it over other side, just repeat over
and over. What's best You can still listen to it
with the kids around. Moving over to Motley Crue, one
of my favorite bands. I love listening to these guys.
I love their sound. Hard to listen to them with
the kids around, but that kind of goes part and
parcel with the what Molly Crue is all about. When
you hit play, this album grabs you right away, right
from that opening guitar riff that just kind of growls.
Speaker 2: At you right.
Speaker 9: You know, it catapults you into the album. Throughout the bass, drums,
guitar are all super tight. They are right in the
groove with each other. What a hard rock and sound.
And then you put Vince Neil's vocals over the top
and you just have this fantastic punch. What I really
like too, Tommy Lee's drums. It seems almost turned up
in the mix, like they're almost putting the drums front
and center to kind of like solidify the whole group.
And I also really like that they've got a lot
of kind of a bluesy boogie woogie style going on
the live track of Jailhouse Rock, like what a Tree.
That's just fantastic stuff. Like I said, I'm a Motley
Crue fan, so of course I'm going to say this,
but every ballad they do I love, and so like,
I'll get stuck on so many of these two on
the album and I'll keep hitting repeat, especially You're All
I Need.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 9: How can you skip over the Girls Girls Girls video?
I mean, like, I guess the best way to describe
that video is that it's one heck of a supplemental
material to what they're teaching you in school and what
your parents teach you about the birds and the bees.
You got the Motley Crue Girls Girls Girls video, so
that works. And of course, young Pat, Old Pat, you
start with motorcycles, you end with motorcycles. So like, I'm
definitely hooked into that. I mean, let's be honest, you
really had me at the kickstart of the motorcycle with
this tune. Guys, thank you so much for a great show.
I feel so fortunate to be able to listen to
you guys each week, and so blessed to be able
to call you friends. Keep up all the fantastic work.
If so, if I've got a wayh in on file judgment,
I'd have to pick a better album. You can't. They're
both awesome. Get both albums, listen to them on repeat.
If I have to pick a favorite, I'd have to say, Hey, Jason,
check that out.
Speaker 5: Man, what de wear? Girls? Girls? Girls?
Speaker 2: I love Pat so much. That is awesome. It's the
best ending I think we've ever had. Pat, you knocked
out one out of the park. First of all, thank
you so much.
Speaker 3: If you haven't listened to thirty something Movie Podcast, check
them out. Just for the record, Me, John bon Jovi,
and Pat are all on board with your only need.
Speaker 2: I mean, Pat's opinion weighs a little heavily for me
more than yours.
Speaker 3: Anyway, Pat, thank you for doing that, buddy. We appreciate you.
Go check them out thirty something Movie Podcast.
Speaker 2: Okay, guys, it is time for our final judgment. We
know that Pat has weighed in and has picked Girls, Girls, Girls.
Is now our time to say which of these two
albums still holds water still is the best? As Pat said,
they are both fantastic albums. You should get both of them.
You should listen to both of them. Yep, but one
of them's better than the other one, at least we
think so, James, why don't you leave us off? Man?
Speaker 4: Okay, I'll preface all of this by saying that I
am also a big fan of both bands. When I
first searched the Shout Out the Devil album my freshman year,
I was blown away and I was a fan of
Motley Crue from that day forward. I'm also a huge
fan of White Snake, so this is not an easy choice,
but I go. I've gone back and listened to both
albums a lot over the last few weeks, and the
White Snake is just towering above the crew on this one.
To me, the songs on the White Snake album they're
really good. Ones are so epic, like Still of the Night,
just a monster riff that still sounds great today, Crying
in the Rain. The players Coverdale and his crew assembled
for this album did an amazing job, and when I
go back and listen to the album, I really don't
skip anything. There are a few I like more than others,
but I really like from front to back. There's not
a big decrease in quality. Girls, Girls, Girls. The band
members themselves I thought were playing really well. I'm a
huge Tommy Lee fan. Have bens It's day one, Mick
turned in his stellar job. But there are great songs
on this album, and there are songs that I instantaneously
want to skip, And I'm afraid that the skippers out
number of the great ones on this album. Wild Side's
an amazing song. Girls, Girls, Girls, There's a lot of
all I need. I think it rains up there. I'm
on power Ballad Royalty, maybe the lower tier, but still
a great song. But they can't overcome songs like bad
Boy Boogie all in the name of songs that instantly skipped.
And just like we said earlier, it's goind of want
to douse myself in purell after hearing occasionally. So the
great songs are great, but the bad songs are bad.
And I think that if you put it on scale,
white Snake comes out ahead on this one.
Speaker 2: All right here, right man?
Speaker 3: Okay, So I'm fourteen years old in nineteen eighty seven.
This is my first step into metal. Granted it's MTV medal,
but it's metal for me as a young man, and
I love both man. These were hugely impactful albums, and.
Speaker 2: So White Snake. When you go through It's still the Night,
It's here I go again.
Speaker 3: I love, don't turn away, give me all your love
is this Love is a wonderful power ballad. When you
look at girls, girls, girls, You've got Wildside, you've got
dancing on Glass, You've got girls, gross girls, I love
your all I need.
Speaker 2: There are some skippers.
Speaker 3: So for me, when I put these on on the scales,
not only are White Snake's songs better and more of them,
but I'm even going so far as to say the
videos are better. So for me, White Snake out weighs girls, girls,
girls on this one, although I tend to kind of
lean towards pat By. Both listen to ball play, both
have fun, but I'm spiking the football. White Snake nineteen
eighty seven is the better of these two albums.
Speaker 2: See Okay, so Molly Crue, the band's so nice. We've
touched them twice. Yeah, when we did skid Row versus
Doctor Feel Good. Before we before I listened both albums,
I was confident that I was not picking Motley Crue.
Skid Row was just too strong. But by the time
we were done with that one, I was like, crap,
Doctor Feel Good is a fantastic album, and it is
amazing what those guys can do when they are not
in the deepest, darkest depths of drug addiction. Unfortunately, on
this album, they were in the deepest, darkest depths of
drug addiction, and I can tell they were struggling to
put some good songs. First two songs out of the gate,
I would have been like, dang, this is obviously the
better album. Wild Side Kills It, Girls, Girls, Girls Kills
It number three not a bad song. Dancing on Glass.
I'll listen to it every time. But basically after that,
I could not listen to those songs for the rest
of my life, and I'd be okay. With Theater of Pain,
it was kind of the same thing. You had the
two songs that really rocked the album, and the rest
of them were just black. With this one, you got
two really great songs, one pretty durn good song, and
then pretty much black after that. For me. White Snake,
on the other hand, Oh my gosh, they have killer
after killer after killer, and some of them are good
as opposed to great, But the great ones are more
great than even the greatest songs on this album, And
so I got to make the decision unanimous here. White
Snake nineteen eighty seven is definitely the better album of
these two girls. Girls Girls is definitely the album worth
listening to. First two songs definitely songs to hold on to.
But White Snake, White Snake, especially with those bonus tracks included, Yeah,
that is definitely the song that I will pick any
day of the week. Walking out the door.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you mentioned those bonus tracks. That album was so
good you couldn't even fit all the good songs on it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, we want to hear from you, guys. How do
we do? Do we get this right? Do we get
this wrong? How do you rank those two albums?
Speaker 3: Hit us up on Facebook, Hit us up on Twitter. James,
thank you so much for being here for two episodes
in a row for us.
Speaker 4: I cannot tell you how much I appreciate the opportunity
to hang out with you guys, even if it is
only digitally. I've had a blast and look forward to
you guys every Tuesday morning.
Speaker 2: Thanks buddy, Thanks man, We really appreciate you coming on.
All right, guys.
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Oh okay, gosh, I'm so glad we got through that
episode without somebody finding some sort of connection to Dan
double in huff.
Speaker 10: Yeah d I hate to break this media. In the
Year of Our Lover twenty fourteen, Big Machine Records go
On by Toby Keith put out a tribute album to
Motley Prue called Nashville's Outlaws, which featured a bunch of
modern centy guys reviewing Motley Prue.
Speaker 7: Yes and this appriate for this It gets Better most
appropriate for this podcast. Brantley Gilbert did a cover of
Girl Girl Girl. Rechend Wilson did a cover of Wild Size.
Yes prominent in the production of Boat track Dan Huff.
Speaker 2: No, yes, yes.
Speaker 5: My man dan Hoff.
Speaker 3: Lead singer of Giants, had one great song in the
nineties Don't Do It called I'll.
Speaker 2: See You in My Dreams.
Speaker 5: Yes you, then we will be saying the mighty.
Speaker 2: Dan Huff, making another appearance, said I quit