WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.639 --> 00:00:10.679 No one is safe from criminals. They strike when and 2 00:00:10.720 --> 00:00:14.560 where they please, whether it's at home or in the workplace. 3 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:18.879 Today is a case that coined the term thrill kill, 4 00:00:19.359 --> 00:00:22.559 and it occurred when two young men targeted an innocent 5 00:00:22.640 --> 00:00:27.359 pizza delivery driver while he was working, all because he 6 00:00:27.480 --> 00:00:31.920 was an easy target. This is the Pizza Killers. 7 00:00:33.119 --> 00:00:36.000 My name's Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening to 8 00:00:36.359 --> 00:00:39.880 Wicked Grim, a true crime podcasting. 9 00:00:40.479 --> 00:00:48.159 The following podcast and material intended more mature audience listener 10 00:00:48.240 --> 00:01:10.920 discretion ad. We just recorded a pre show and we 11 00:01:11.040 --> 00:01:13.719 already kind of want to order pizza because of this episode, 12 00:01:14.040 --> 00:01:17.159 do we though? I mean not really, but just we 13 00:01:17.159 --> 00:01:19.439 were talking about pizza a little bit and then we're like, 14 00:01:20.000 --> 00:01:21.079 it's kind of tempting. 15 00:01:21.239 --> 00:01:22.719 Pizza is a damn good food. 16 00:01:23.040 --> 00:01:25.640 There is no bad time for pizza. I mean, I mean, 17 00:01:26.599 --> 00:01:28.760 if you really search technically, I'm sure you could find 18 00:01:28.799 --> 00:01:31.959 a bad time for pizza, Like if you're ordering delivery 19 00:01:32.040 --> 00:01:34.519 at someone's wake or something. Yeah, that's probably a bad 20 00:01:34.519 --> 00:01:38.920 time for pizza. But outside of the extreme, there is 21 00:01:38.959 --> 00:01:40.159 no bad time for pizza. 22 00:01:40.480 --> 00:01:43.760 No, but maybe while you're listening to this episode, possibly, 23 00:01:44.359 --> 00:01:45.079 well that is. 24 00:01:45.159 --> 00:01:48.319 Yet to be determined. Okay, but we'll find that out. 25 00:01:48.840 --> 00:01:50.519 But before we even find that out, we got some 26 00:01:50.560 --> 00:01:51.439 stuff to talk about. 27 00:01:51.599 --> 00:01:52.760 What do we got to talk about? 28 00:01:52.959 --> 00:01:54.799 First and foremost, we got to talk about the awesome 29 00:01:54.799 --> 00:01:57.480 people who signed up over on Patreons. So we have 30 00:01:57.760 --> 00:02:01.640 Maggie Mack, Stephanie Smith and us a free word. Thank 31 00:02:01.680 --> 00:02:02.239 you very much. 32 00:02:02.319 --> 00:02:02.640 Nice. 33 00:02:02.840 --> 00:02:05.400 Signing up over on Patreon gets you that behind the 34 00:02:05.439 --> 00:02:08.560 scenes access the good old extra episodes, which we have 35 00:02:08.680 --> 00:02:11.520 quite a library built up now, just a whole bunch 36 00:02:11.560 --> 00:02:13.439 of good stuff, so you can go over and support 37 00:02:13.520 --> 00:02:15.599 us there. You can just continue listening here. That's cool too. 38 00:02:15.639 --> 00:02:17.759 We appreciate you either way. Yeah, but if you're curious, 39 00:02:18.360 --> 00:02:22.439 link is blow. Yeah, there you go, There we go, 40 00:02:22.520 --> 00:02:25.719 There we go. Do we have anything really that we 41 00:02:25.759 --> 00:02:27.080 need to talk about right now? 42 00:02:28.639 --> 00:02:30.560 Don't know. We just chatted about a shit ton of 43 00:02:30.560 --> 00:02:31.599 stuff on our pre show. 44 00:02:31.759 --> 00:02:33.560 We did. We talked about how our chickens are a 45 00:02:33.599 --> 00:02:34.599 shit show right now. 46 00:02:34.520 --> 00:02:36.039 An absolute shit show. 47 00:02:36.199 --> 00:02:38.360 We have one who is a little bit sick right now. 48 00:02:38.479 --> 00:02:40.719 We have the little chicks that we got a little 49 00:02:40.719 --> 00:02:43.439 while ago that are finally being introduced to the flock. 50 00:02:43.520 --> 00:02:45.159 They're not like in the flock yet, but they have 51 00:02:45.240 --> 00:02:48.719 like their home, like separate little run right now. And 52 00:02:48.759 --> 00:02:51.680 it all looks super redneck because when we first built 53 00:02:51.680 --> 00:02:54.360 a coop, we didn't know what we're doing, and then 54 00:02:54.400 --> 00:02:56.639 it's just like adding on more and more things. 55 00:02:57.120 --> 00:03:00.400 These poor chickens, I feel like we just you know, 56 00:03:00.520 --> 00:03:02.599 they're just we're learning from them. 57 00:03:02.919 --> 00:03:07.159 But thankfully we are building a new proper chicken coop 58 00:03:07.479 --> 00:03:10.439 with a new proper chicken run, like all this good stuff. 59 00:03:10.639 --> 00:03:12.159 Don't get me wrong, Like they have they have. 60 00:03:12.240 --> 00:03:14.360 It good now, they do. I feel like we'd spend 61 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:16.439 a lot of time and we are. I'm cleaning in 62 00:03:16.479 --> 00:03:19.360 there often and they do got it good. 63 00:03:19.520 --> 00:03:24.960 Yeah, it's just like recycled materials, like using what we 64 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:28.560 have and super redneck. There's nothing wrong with redneck. Trust me, 65 00:03:28.599 --> 00:03:31.039 we kind of ore red neck. But it's just you know, 66 00:03:31.120 --> 00:03:31.919 that whole vibe. 67 00:03:32.240 --> 00:03:34.599 But the thing is, I don't think they care, No. 68 00:03:34.599 --> 00:03:37.240 They don't. The chickens are doing good, and that's what's important. 69 00:03:37.400 --> 00:03:43.159 Totally. Yeah, Okay, well, I am very intrigued about this one. 70 00:03:43.680 --> 00:03:45.719 You want to just dive right in here, But do 71 00:03:46.479 --> 00:03:48.080 you got other things you got a chit chat about. 72 00:03:48.159 --> 00:03:50.319 I think we're good, But I am curious what about 73 00:03:50.319 --> 00:03:51.560 it has you so intrigued. 74 00:03:52.439 --> 00:03:57.080 I'm terrified because I've always been I don't know a 75 00:03:57.120 --> 00:03:59.879 person that thinks certain jobs out there are like kind 76 00:03:59.879 --> 00:04:03.439 of dangerous and not even because you know, if you're 77 00:04:03.479 --> 00:04:06.039 like a police officer or something like, of course that 78 00:04:06.159 --> 00:04:10.159 job's dangerous, right, But then there's other jobs like a 79 00:04:10.240 --> 00:04:13.199 delivery person or I think I've said, like a realtor, 80 00:04:13.360 --> 00:04:15.360 or just like certain things where you put yourself in 81 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:18.079 situations that could end up being harmful. 82 00:04:18.480 --> 00:04:19.959 Yeah, yeah, you're right. 83 00:04:20.439 --> 00:04:24.639 And so yeah, this is gonna this is gonna be 84 00:04:24.759 --> 00:04:25.360 hard for me. 85 00:04:26.560 --> 00:04:30.639 Fair enough, fair enough, It's certainly there is risk to 86 00:04:30.839 --> 00:04:38.199 certain employment I guess, to certain avenues of careers, and 87 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:40.959 that risk is different. For for example, if you look 88 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:42.839 at like a welder, you're gonna have a risk of 89 00:04:42.959 --> 00:04:45.800 arc flash for burning yourself or dropping steel plates on 90 00:04:45.839 --> 00:04:49.439 your toes and squishing your fingers. However, if you're working 91 00:04:49.439 --> 00:04:52.439 in an office, you're more apt to have higher risk 92 00:04:52.519 --> 00:04:55.839 for back problems sitting in a chair, carpal tunnel syndrome. Yeah, 93 00:04:55.920 --> 00:04:57.759 and like you say, when you're putting yourself out in 94 00:04:57.759 --> 00:05:00.600 the public, like a realtor, you're putting yourself at risk 95 00:05:01.199 --> 00:05:05.160 to the public for someone that you might be conducting 96 00:05:05.240 --> 00:05:08.160 business with that Hey, they don't have a background check 97 00:05:08.199 --> 00:05:12.519 or anything. You're just meeting some random person that, right 98 00:05:12.560 --> 00:05:16.240 there is a risk, and that is the very same 99 00:05:16.319 --> 00:05:17.839 risk that we are going to be going over today 100 00:05:17.839 --> 00:05:18.399 in this case. 101 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:22.759 Oh boy, okay, I already feel it, like antsy. 102 00:05:23.319 --> 00:05:24.839 You're good, Yeah, you sure? 103 00:05:25.759 --> 00:05:27.079 Yeah, okay, I think so. 104 00:05:27.279 --> 00:05:31.600 Okay, Well, let's dive into the Pizza Killers also known 105 00:05:31.639 --> 00:05:33.800 as the baby Face Pizza Killers. I heard it mentioned 106 00:05:33.839 --> 00:05:35.160 as that online. 107 00:05:34.759 --> 00:05:36.959 A couple times too interesting. 108 00:05:36.480 --> 00:05:40.240 And you'll you'll understand why in a while. Okay, So 109 00:05:40.279 --> 00:05:44.120 the Pizza Murders began its tragic events actually long before 110 00:05:44.240 --> 00:05:48.480 the actual murders ever took place, and instead went back 111 00:05:48.600 --> 00:05:52.120 to a burglary at Adventure Sports, which is an outdoor 112 00:05:52.279 --> 00:05:57.079 store nestled in Franklin, A mere eleven days prior. Adventure 113 00:05:57.120 --> 00:06:01.160 Sports was a haven for hunting, fishing, and campingenthusiasts. Held 114 00:06:01.199 --> 00:06:05.439 stock of camping gear, hiking equipment, fishing poles, lures, baits, camouflage, 115 00:06:05.480 --> 00:06:11.240 and of course, guns and ammunition. On April eighth, nineteen 116 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:14.600 ninety seven, Adventure Sports was a place that proved to 117 00:06:14.639 --> 00:06:19.480 be a tantalizing target for Thomas Koskovic, who is eighteen 118 00:06:19.560 --> 00:06:23.680 years old, and his accomplice Michael Conklin, nineteen years old. 119 00:06:25.040 --> 00:06:28.800 Hence the baby face, because we have some young individuals 120 00:06:28.839 --> 00:06:30.240 who are our perpetry. 121 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:32.480 I was at first, I was like, Okay, well they're 122 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:34.360 just really young. But then I'm like, well, maybe they're 123 00:06:34.399 --> 00:06:37.759 wearing masks or something that have like a baby face. 124 00:06:38.360 --> 00:06:39.519 Something from the Halloween store. 125 00:06:39.560 --> 00:06:41.120 Man, I don't know know that that's a. 126 00:06:41.120 --> 00:06:46.160 Legitimate point that could could be. But that's unfortunately, well, 127 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:48.600 I mean there was no fortunately or unfortunately, but it's 128 00:06:48.639 --> 00:06:49.439 just it's just not the. 129 00:06:49.360 --> 00:06:50.759 Same the case, not the case. 130 00:06:50.839 --> 00:06:54.480 Yeah. Now, Michael, who as I said, was nineteen, he 131 00:06:54.720 --> 00:06:58.240 was waiting in the vehicle to be the getaway for Thomas, well, 132 00:06:58.439 --> 00:07:02.079 he was inside. So while it was never really specified 133 00:07:02.120 --> 00:07:06.240 what exactly it was, Thomas exploited an alleged flaw in 134 00:07:06.279 --> 00:07:09.240 the store's alarm system and used it to his advantage. 135 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:12.839 This allowed him much more time to not only break 136 00:07:12.879 --> 00:07:16.240 into the store, but ensure it didn't have like any 137 00:07:16.240 --> 00:07:18.600 sort of rush on how long he spent them there, 138 00:07:18.879 --> 00:07:22.560 which allowed him the opportunity to steal exactly what he wanted. 139 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:27.399 So while inside, Thomas seized three firearms, a twenty two 140 00:07:27.519 --> 00:07:31.959 caliber revolver, a forty five caliber semi automatic pistol, and 141 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:36.000 another forty caliber semi automatic pistol. Along with it, he 142 00:07:36.079 --> 00:07:38.839 also ensured that he had the ammunition that he needed 143 00:07:38.839 --> 00:07:39.360 to go with them. 144 00:07:39.360 --> 00:07:41.199 All. 145 00:07:41.319 --> 00:07:45.399 While it's always concerning to hear when firearms are stolen, 146 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:48.800 in this case, no one could have known that these 147 00:07:48.879 --> 00:07:53.720 pilfered weapons would soon become instruments of tragedy as two 148 00:07:53.759 --> 00:07:56.639 young men would sorry, as these two young men would 149 00:07:56.720 --> 00:08:00.560 use them to commit a cold blooded murder ste the 150 00:08:00.639 --> 00:08:02.600 community in Crimson. 151 00:08:04.240 --> 00:08:09.720 Was this guy smarter than normal or like average, more average? 152 00:08:10.040 --> 00:08:12.160 Not that I'm aware of now you can't even speak. 153 00:08:12.600 --> 00:08:17.600 Just the fact that he could get through the alarm 154 00:08:17.720 --> 00:08:21.680 or whatever right or prolong it from going off seems No. 155 00:08:21.800 --> 00:08:25.879 I don't know if there's anything specific that he I mean, 156 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:29.879 intelligence benefits or I don't know how to point it out. 157 00:08:29.920 --> 00:08:31.639 I don't know if he's very smart enough. I mean, 158 00:08:31.759 --> 00:08:34.480 considering the outcome of this and what he did, I 159 00:08:34.480 --> 00:08:37.279 don't say no, I don't think he's very bright. But 160 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:39.759 there was just something that he knew about the system 161 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:42.759 that he took advantage of. How he knew it, What 162 00:08:42.799 --> 00:08:45.000 that was I could not find? 163 00:08:45.159 --> 00:08:45.679 Okay. 164 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:49.720 Now, the initial idea though, for this was not to 165 00:08:49.840 --> 00:08:53.240 kill anyone with these firearms. The plan instead was to 166 00:08:53.399 --> 00:08:59.440 trade the stolen items for cocaine, then pedal that cocaine 167 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:03.039 or a profit. This way, in their theory, they would 168 00:09:03.039 --> 00:09:05.320 make more money than if they were to just sell 169 00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:06.759 the stolen guns. 170 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:07.879 What the shit? 171 00:09:08.399 --> 00:09:13.639 Okay, I'm assuming it might potentially be easier to sell. 172 00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:15.120 Cocaine pane than the guns. 173 00:09:15.440 --> 00:09:19.600 I'm not too sure they're logic there, but that's that 174 00:09:19.720 --> 00:09:22.519 was their plan. So does he sound very smart? Now? 175 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:22.639 No? 176 00:09:23.840 --> 00:09:27.759 Sounds like a fucking idiot? Am I allowed to say that? 177 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:32.559 Yeah? Fair enough, I'm not disagreeing with you. So now. 178 00:09:32.600 --> 00:09:35.440 The plan, though, however, did take a turn when Thomas 179 00:09:35.480 --> 00:09:40.600 mentioned the subject of actually killing someone, a proposition that 180 00:09:41.159 --> 00:09:45.519 repulsed Michael at first, who immediately disliked the idea and 181 00:09:45.639 --> 00:09:49.759 the brutal intentions behind it. Thomas continued on, saying how 182 00:09:49.879 --> 00:09:52.519 they could kill a pizza delivery driver and how easy 183 00:09:52.559 --> 00:09:55.840 it would be. Michael immediately began questioning him on this 184 00:09:55.879 --> 00:09:59.279 and his rationale behind killing someone and targeting a pizza 185 00:09:59.279 --> 00:10:03.799 delivery driver, to which Thomas responded, quote, they're easy targets. 186 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:05.919 I just want to kill someone just for the thrill 187 00:10:05.960 --> 00:10:06.159 of it. 188 00:10:06.320 --> 00:10:10.240 Good God, gosh, yeah, what a piece of shit, Okay, 189 00:10:10.240 --> 00:10:12.320 And are they actually easy targets? 190 00:10:12.639 --> 00:10:15.200 Well, in the fact that it's like, yeah, come to 191 00:10:15.240 --> 00:10:17.799 my house. And then it's like, could just be random 192 00:10:18.039 --> 00:10:18.279 you know? 193 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:21.039 Yeah, I guess technically because I'm just thinking, like they're 194 00:10:21.039 --> 00:10:23.480 always outside of the door, but I mean you could 195 00:10:23.559 --> 00:10:29.000 quite easily be outside hiding or doing something. Gosh, that's terrible. 196 00:10:29.039 --> 00:10:32.720 And it's usually like young people and who are pizza 197 00:10:32.759 --> 00:10:33.960 delivery drivers? Right? 198 00:10:34.440 --> 00:10:34.720 Yeah? 199 00:10:34.960 --> 00:10:36.600 Oh I hate this. 200 00:10:36.960 --> 00:10:38.159 Yeah, it's not cool. 201 00:10:38.279 --> 00:10:39.320 That's so fucked. 202 00:10:39.960 --> 00:10:43.200 Now. Fast forward to April nineteenth of nineteen ninety seven, 203 00:10:43.679 --> 00:10:47.720 Thomas concealed the stolen forty five caliber semi automatic pistol 204 00:10:47.720 --> 00:10:52.759 beneath his shirt, while Jason, another friend, concealed the twenty 205 00:10:52.759 --> 00:10:56.879 two caliber revolver. At this point, Michael had nothing to 206 00:10:56.919 --> 00:10:59.240 do with this anymore. He didn't want to be anywhere 207 00:10:59.240 --> 00:11:01.279 near this want to kill someone just for the front 208 00:11:01.279 --> 00:11:03.120 of it. He kind of like, yeah, I'm good. 209 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:04.720 Oh, say that's good. 210 00:11:04.879 --> 00:11:07.159 Yeah, So another friend by the name of Jason was 211 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:13.159 now in the circle if you will to do this. So, 212 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:15.519 now armed with these pistols, they went around and they 213 00:11:15.559 --> 00:11:18.519 scoped out an area that would be perfect for pulling 214 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:21.480 off this crime. And this was an abandoned house on 215 00:11:21.759 --> 00:11:26.320 Scott Road, so they previously scouted this area out picked 216 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:31.759 it specifically for this. So before heading there, I mean, 217 00:11:31.799 --> 00:11:34.240 this was nineteen ninety seven, they needed to make a 218 00:11:34.279 --> 00:11:38.879 phone call. There's no real cell phones in nineteen ninety seven. 219 00:11:38.919 --> 00:11:40.919 I'm sure there are, Like the beginning of cell phones 220 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:43.440 is great, big like huge ones with the pullout antennas 221 00:11:43.480 --> 00:11:46.919 and stuff. There might be some of those, but they 222 00:11:46.919 --> 00:11:49.039 were certainly not a normal thing. So they needed a 223 00:11:49.120 --> 00:11:53.039 place to make a call in place and order for pizzas. Right. 224 00:11:54.360 --> 00:11:58.159 So what they did is they had actually gone somewhere 225 00:11:59.159 --> 00:12:02.480 found pizzerias in a phone book scribbled on a piece 226 00:12:02.519 --> 00:12:06.159 of paper, right, And they had gone to a dunkin 227 00:12:06.279 --> 00:12:10.240 Donuts payphone. While doing this and using a loose chains 228 00:12:10.240 --> 00:12:16.399 ground from Thomas's girlfriend Kimberly Prestige, they called Tony's Pizza 229 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:19.600 the top of that list. However, as someone on the 230 00:12:19.600 --> 00:12:23.240 other line answered to take their order. A familiar face 231 00:12:23.320 --> 00:12:26.200 was in a familiar voice was in its place. That 232 00:12:26.320 --> 00:12:29.320 voice was an acquaintance of one of the perpetrators by 233 00:12:29.320 --> 00:12:33.759 the name of Jeremy Giordano. He was quickly recognized and 234 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:35.080 they hung up the phone immediately. 235 00:12:35.519 --> 00:12:38.399 Oh okay, they didn't want someone they knew. 236 00:12:38.480 --> 00:12:42.080 Well, and potentially that could be a way of tying 237 00:12:42.120 --> 00:12:43.480 them to the person as well. 238 00:12:43.559 --> 00:12:45.320 Right right, So, yeah. 239 00:12:44.960 --> 00:12:48.279 They didn't want someone they knew. They began dialing several 240 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:51.600 other pizza places that were on this list, tempting to find, 241 00:12:51.639 --> 00:12:55.360 you know, their potential victim. However, every single place they 242 00:12:55.360 --> 00:12:59.879 contacted refused to deliver to the specified location. Clearly there 243 00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:03.639 some suspicion in the air with a vague address and 244 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:07.679 lack of contact information given this was an abandoned house 245 00:13:07.799 --> 00:13:10.720 after all, so no returning phone number could be given. 246 00:13:10.799 --> 00:13:14.279 The instructions upon delivery were to be delivered outside of 247 00:13:14.320 --> 00:13:16.799 the house, like a lot of that sort of thing, 248 00:13:16.879 --> 00:13:20.200 right okay, So all in all, it just wasn't a 249 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:23.000 situation anyone really seemed to want to deal with or 250 00:13:23.039 --> 00:13:26.840 be involved in. So, with no options left going through 251 00:13:26.840 --> 00:13:30.399 their list, they circled back to the place they originally 252 00:13:30.440 --> 00:13:34.720 called Tony's Pizza. They dialed the number and the same 253 00:13:34.799 --> 00:13:38.039 familiar voice picked up the phone. Now they did their 254 00:13:38.080 --> 00:13:40.519 best to not be recognized on the call and played 255 00:13:40.519 --> 00:13:43.600 it cool when asked any information regarding the delivery the 256 00:13:43.639 --> 00:13:47.480 delivery location. At this point, everyone turned them down for 257 00:13:47.519 --> 00:13:50.759 this very reason, and this time they didn't want to 258 00:13:50.759 --> 00:13:54.840 scare their last option for potential victim away. With that, 259 00:13:55.559 --> 00:13:58.600 they placed their order and managed to secure a pizza 260 00:13:58.639 --> 00:14:01.240 that would soon be on its way to the abandoned 261 00:14:01.240 --> 00:14:04.559 house at one nine to six Scott Roade. 262 00:14:07.480 --> 00:14:16.559 Okay, okay, okay, I know. Well, I'm just yeah, okay. 263 00:14:17.320 --> 00:14:20.120 It's it's actually interesting to me though, that so many 264 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:23.720 people turn them down, because I'm just find that I 265 00:14:23.759 --> 00:14:26.440 find that interesting, like almost surprising. 266 00:14:27.000 --> 00:14:29.600 Well, I mean, if you think about nineteen ninety seven, 267 00:14:30.679 --> 00:14:35.960 it's a lot more apt for prank calls, Okay, So 268 00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:37.720 I mean you might be thinking, oh, there's just kids 269 00:14:37.720 --> 00:14:40.000 trying to get some free pizzas out of us, whatever 270 00:14:40.039 --> 00:14:42.799 the case. Or there's not a real address, or it's 271 00:14:42.879 --> 00:14:45.320 so vague, like it's not worth our time, whatever the 272 00:14:45.360 --> 00:14:48.559 case may be. It just was not worth it for 273 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:51.519 these pizza places. They're like yeah, no, thanks, right, especially 274 00:14:51.600 --> 00:14:54.000 with like you know, some younger voices on the other end, right. 275 00:14:54.080 --> 00:14:56.159 Well, and you almost wonder too if they got if 276 00:14:56.200 --> 00:14:58.639 any of them got some sort of gut feeling or something. 277 00:14:59.159 --> 00:15:01.720 You know, I think they very well might have. 278 00:15:01.960 --> 00:15:02.200 Yeah. 279 00:15:02.399 --> 00:15:07.000 Yeah, because when these orders were actually even placed, there 280 00:15:07.080 --> 00:15:10.519 was some suspicion over at Tony's Pizza. Oh really there 281 00:15:10.720 --> 00:15:15.600 was the shop owner, Giorgio Galara was hesitant to actually 282 00:15:15.600 --> 00:15:19.639 send Jeremy, who is the delivery driver on the phone. 283 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:22.480 He was hesitant to send him alone, so he decided 284 00:15:22.480 --> 00:15:25.679 he would actually accompany him to ensure everything went smooth 285 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:28.360 and that there will be no issues after all, As 286 00:15:28.360 --> 00:15:31.600 they say, there is safety in numbers. Right. 287 00:15:32.440 --> 00:15:38.120 Oh that's alarming, Oh my goodness. But okay, but I 288 00:15:38.440 --> 00:15:40.840 agree with that. I agree with that. They would be 289 00:15:40.919 --> 00:15:44.000 much harder if, you know, you had the young delivery 290 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:47.799 boy and then the owner, it would be harder to 291 00:15:47.879 --> 00:15:48.559 get in trouble. 292 00:15:48.720 --> 00:15:51.919 Yeah. Well, and to be fair, both these the owner 293 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:55.240 and the delivery boy, they were both in their twenties. Okay, 294 00:15:55.360 --> 00:15:57.320 so they're both relatively young themselves. 295 00:15:57.399 --> 00:15:58.720 Yeah, I believe. 296 00:15:59.039 --> 00:16:01.240 Don't don't quote me on their ages here. I think 297 00:16:01.240 --> 00:16:03.879 I have him written down later on. I think Jeremy 298 00:16:04.159 --> 00:16:09.159 was twenty four and Georgio was twenty eight. Okay, I 299 00:16:09.200 --> 00:16:12.919 think that they're about that anyways, But they definitely had suspicions, 300 00:16:12.919 --> 00:16:15.600 and I'm sure other pizza shops did too, but they 301 00:16:16.360 --> 00:16:18.759 took it and they made the pizzas, and as the 302 00:16:18.799 --> 00:16:22.320 clock struck at ten forty five pm on April nineteenth, 303 00:16:22.440 --> 00:16:25.120 the two drove off and embarked in their delivery mission. 304 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:29.759 Warry yet hopeful, so they pulled up to the house 305 00:16:29.759 --> 00:16:33.679 where both Jason and Thomas were now standing and waiting outside. 306 00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:36.600 Georgia was on the passenger side of the vehicle and 307 00:16:36.679 --> 00:16:39.919 rolled down his window as they pulled up. He looked 308 00:16:39.919 --> 00:16:41.480 at the boys and he began talking to him, and 309 00:16:41.480 --> 00:16:43.360 he told them how much money they owed for the 310 00:16:43.399 --> 00:16:47.159 two pizzas they had ordered. Jason turned and asked Thomas 311 00:16:47.200 --> 00:16:49.320 if he had the money to pay him, to which 312 00:16:49.360 --> 00:16:53.639 Thomas reached into his pocket as if he was reaching 313 00:16:53.679 --> 00:16:56.919 for his wallet, but instead though pulled the gun out 314 00:16:56.919 --> 00:17:00.559 of his waistband. Thomas pulled out the stole one forty 315 00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:04.240 five caliber pistol and started firing into the car. Jason 316 00:17:04.319 --> 00:17:07.799 quickly followed suit and revealed his twenty two caliber revolver 317 00:17:07.880 --> 00:17:11.240 and also began shooting into the car. Together, they unleashed 318 00:17:11.240 --> 00:17:15.200 a barrage of bullets upon their unsuspecting victims. A total 319 00:17:15.240 --> 00:17:18.000 of seven shots tore through the quiet air that night. 320 00:17:18.759 --> 00:17:21.880 The car was now filled with bullet holes, and it 321 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:24.960 rolled forward and came to a gentle stop on the wet, 322 00:17:25.279 --> 00:17:29.000 muddy grass on the side of the road. The driver, 323 00:17:29.839 --> 00:17:33.240 here we go. I got the ages. Jeremy aged twenty two, 324 00:17:33.799 --> 00:17:38.240 and his boss Giorgio, age twenty five, now laid motionless 325 00:17:38.440 --> 00:17:41.200 in the car, both dead. 326 00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:48.519 Holy shit, huh wow. I was thinking, okay. I was like, okay, 327 00:17:48.519 --> 00:17:50.400 they're just going to stay in the car. I felt 328 00:17:50.400 --> 00:17:52.119 like that would be safer, you know, than having to 329 00:17:52.119 --> 00:17:54.599 get out to like go to somebody's house. Yeah, so 330 00:17:54.680 --> 00:17:57.440 I was feeling like this was going to go a 331 00:17:57.480 --> 00:17:58.880 different way for some reason. 332 00:17:59.079 --> 00:18:00.559 What way did you think it is going to go? 333 00:18:02.400 --> 00:18:05.240 What was in your head? Where were you thinking this 334 00:18:05.400 --> 00:18:07.680 was gonna How do you think it was gonna play out? 335 00:18:08.039 --> 00:18:13.920 Well? I guess when I visualized a delivery person getting killed, 336 00:18:14.119 --> 00:18:17.200 I just visualized them being at a doorstep or like 337 00:18:17.279 --> 00:18:20.680 being taken into someone's house or something, but not just 338 00:18:20.759 --> 00:18:21.519 in your vehicle. 339 00:18:21.720 --> 00:18:24.920 Well, remember, though, this is an abandoned house, it's most 340 00:18:24.960 --> 00:18:28.400 likely boarded up, So when you call for a pizza delivery, 341 00:18:29.039 --> 00:18:31.200 you're probably being like, yeah, like what, we'll meet you 342 00:18:31.240 --> 00:18:33.240 out front at the side of the road or something. 343 00:18:33.319 --> 00:18:35.799 And I think that's one of the reasons why suspicions 344 00:18:35.799 --> 00:18:38.759 were drawn during these calls, because it's like, oh, this 345 00:18:38.799 --> 00:18:41.960 is an abandoned house, like it's boarded up. Like why 346 00:18:42.119 --> 00:18:45.000 some young kids are just calling for pizzas outside of 347 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:46.960 an abandoned house. Yeah, we're not taking this. 348 00:18:46.960 --> 00:18:52.759 Call, I guess because nowadays, though, with like skip or 349 00:18:52.839 --> 00:18:56.119 door dash or whatever they are, it's a lot more 350 00:18:56.119 --> 00:18:58.480 normal just to kind of do like contact lists or 351 00:18:58.559 --> 00:19:01.680 like you go to someone's and grab it or something. Right, 352 00:19:01.720 --> 00:19:04.319 it's more normal. But back then, I guess it definitely. 353 00:19:04.440 --> 00:19:06.799 Yeah, that's a post COVID thing. 354 00:19:07.079 --> 00:19:12.759 Yeah, but wow, brutal. That is so freaking sad because 355 00:19:12.759 --> 00:19:15.920 that's still like they's very young, Yeah they are, and 356 00:19:16.000 --> 00:19:17.799 it was all just because a pizza, like. 357 00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:21.880 Because they're easy targets and it was a thrill kill, 358 00:19:21.920 --> 00:19:25.440 which we'll talk about that a little bit later. So anyways, 359 00:19:25.480 --> 00:19:28.880 Thomas and Jeremy now made their way towards the vehicle 360 00:19:28.920 --> 00:19:33.880 to ensure that their heartless task was now complete. Just scum, 361 00:19:34.319 --> 00:19:37.440 yeah they are. So when they managed to confirm both 362 00:19:37.480 --> 00:19:40.000 were dead, they dragged their victims from the vehicle and 363 00:19:40.079 --> 00:19:42.960 laid them on the ground. There on the wet ground, 364 00:19:43.279 --> 00:19:45.640 they both laid next to the two pizzas, and that 365 00:19:45.799 --> 00:19:48.200 is where authorities would find their bodies. 366 00:19:48.359 --> 00:19:50.960 The fuck why would they take them out like that? 367 00:19:51.279 --> 00:19:55.920 I don't know, jeez, I don't know. They did go 368 00:19:56.000 --> 00:20:00.480 through their pockets a bit. There was some con predicting 369 00:20:00.519 --> 00:20:03.559 reports I found where no money was stolen, but they 370 00:20:03.599 --> 00:20:07.880 did go through their pockets and later on a little 371 00:20:07.880 --> 00:20:10.920 bit of a spoiler alert, but later on a wallet 372 00:20:11.359 --> 00:20:15.880 was found in their possession, So there definitely was some stolen, 373 00:20:16.079 --> 00:20:19.480 but some might have been left behind, I guess regardless. 374 00:20:19.480 --> 00:20:23.079 So after the murder, the two adrenaline fueled killers. At 375 00:20:23.079 --> 00:20:26.400 this point sprinted away from the scene and headed towards 376 00:20:26.440 --> 00:20:30.400 Thomas's vehicle. Once in the car, Thomas turned to Jason 377 00:20:30.480 --> 00:20:33.839 and said, in an excited tone, I can't believe we 378 00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:38.279 did this, to which Jason responded, I love you, man, 379 00:20:39.039 --> 00:20:41.799 and they shared a hug before jumping jumping into his 380 00:20:41.880 --> 00:20:46.160 vehicle and fleeing. That to me is so fucking disgusting. 381 00:20:46.559 --> 00:20:47.680 That's just nasty. 382 00:20:48.039 --> 00:20:50.039 It's so fucking like, what the shit? 383 00:20:50.160 --> 00:20:54.279 They literally just took two innocent people's lives that are 384 00:20:54.319 --> 00:20:56.559 just trying to like do their job and you know, 385 00:20:57.319 --> 00:20:58.200 make a paycheck. 386 00:20:58.400 --> 00:21:03.799 Yeah, I mean, I love you man. After doing that. 387 00:21:03.839 --> 00:21:06.160 He's pumped about it. That's fuck. 388 00:21:06.279 --> 00:21:08.160 I want to know something even worse. This is gonna 389 00:21:08.160 --> 00:21:11.079 make some people's blood fucking really boil. On the way 390 00:21:11.279 --> 00:21:14.039 to Thomas's house, they then made a quick pit stop 391 00:21:14.119 --> 00:21:16.480 out front of a church, where they got out of 392 00:21:16.480 --> 00:21:19.559 the car made a sign of the Cross before humping 393 00:21:19.599 --> 00:21:24.839 back into the car and proceeding home. Yeah. 394 00:21:24.880 --> 00:21:27.240 Wow, these people are just winners. Egh. 395 00:21:27.559 --> 00:21:30.680 What kind of wow, self righteous fucking piece of shit 396 00:21:31.000 --> 00:21:37.759 scum do you like? Who does that? Yeah, you're excited 397 00:21:37.759 --> 00:21:40.960 about murder. You fucking revel in it by being like, 398 00:21:41.039 --> 00:21:43.640 I love you man, Like this brought you fucking closer. 399 00:21:44.200 --> 00:21:46.559 And then you go to a fucking church and then 400 00:21:46.599 --> 00:21:49.920 you like praise the Lord's sort of situation. 401 00:21:50.319 --> 00:21:52.480