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your awakening. Now let's begin today's episode. Disclaimer. The views

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of this show, its host, or any of the companies

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they represent. Now today on the show, I welcome one

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of the most profound and just miraculous near death experiences

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I have ever heard. We welcome Robert Marshall. And he

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had a near death experience and was in heaven with

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Jesus for forty four hours. He was dead, brain, completely

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dead for three days, and he came back to life

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and had a miraculous healing of his body, his brain,

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his scarring. It was just the most amazing story I

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ever heard, and it will more unlikely bring you to tears.

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Let's dive in. I like to welcome to the show

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Robert Marshall.

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Speaker 2: Hey doing, Robert, I'm blessed. I'm doing fabulous. Thank you,

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Thank you, Alex.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming, my friend. I am

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excited to hear your story of your near death experience.

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Is I've done about one hundred and thirty hundred and

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forty hundred and fifty of them at this point. Again,

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you have a very unique one. It's a unique story.

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And how long you spent, what happened to you? Everything?

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Your book here is called, uh, it's a kind of

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a spoiler alert, forty four hours in Heaven. So we're

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going to start. We'll start from the beginning, like what where,

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what happened?

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Speaker 2: How did you?

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Speaker 1: How did you die? Let's see, let's let's take it.

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Let's take us back to the day that you you

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passed and what happened.

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Speaker 2: Okay, first of all, it's not truly not an indie

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and near death experience. I actually died. I was dead

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for three days, and if you would call it, he

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resurrected me from the dead the seventeenth of May. I

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had a long short, longer short version.

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Speaker 1: Let's keep it. Let's keep the long stuff for inside

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of Heaven up until then. We can kind of shorten

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it up all right.

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Speaker 2: On the seventeenth of May, I had a very large

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mass on my neck. It was swallowing like this. I

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had gone previously gone to an outpatient emergency room stand alone,

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and the doctors said that he came back. He did

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MRIs blood test and all that stuff, and I was

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having trouble breathing, is why I went there and swallowing,

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and the doctor came back in and told me. He

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said that there's about a ninety nine percent chance that

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this is a very aggressive form of cancer. And he said,

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I've sent your information out to two other doctors. They

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have all agreed that this is very aggressive and you

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need to go see this cancer searching immediately on Monday.

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He cleared his schedules so I could go in on Monday.

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and he said you need to go see him now.

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I said, okay. I never made it to Monday. Friday,

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around the seventeenth of May, I was having extreme difficulty

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swallowing and breathing. I couldn't swallow water, I couldn't swallow anything.

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and my oxygen at that point was registering about eighty

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eight to eighty nine percent, and they say below ninety

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you need to get to an emergency room fast, very

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much so. And in addition to a low oxygen level,

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I was I couldn't swallow It's just that simple. So

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my wife said, let's go. We went to the emergency

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room in downtown Fort Worth. She drove. I was feeling

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enough out of it at that point I didn't feel

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safe to drive. She drove. We went to the emergency room.

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the emergency room doors and there's a line in emergency

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rooms of people checking in. A lady at the who

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is behind the window kind of went like this and

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looked at me and says, are you okay? Well. I

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had to struggle to get to get out to him.

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I'm having a little trouble breathing. And she says, you

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going in the back right now, And she pushed a

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button a door open and I went straight into the back.

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set me right straight back to the emergency room. The

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doctor met me back there, sat down, started looking examining

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me and taking his little preliminary tests and everything else.

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there about the same time that the doctor said, we're

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going back here and we're going to intubate him. Which

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is an oral tube down my throat. So they took

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me into the into the back room, and of course

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they put me to sleep to put this tube down

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and intbated me. They put the tube in and then

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so I could get oxygen, and took me immediately. They

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admitted me to the Insensitive Care Unit. That was the

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last thing I last time I was awake. They took

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me in there on the nineteenth of May. The doctor

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came in. They had had me for you know, two days,

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and then they were filled me with antibiotics and steroids

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and everything else in the world you can think of,

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you know, doctors. They just throw everything in there to

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help me. They knew they had to get this swallowing down,

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and at this point they still felt that they were

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dealing with cancer. At that point. Uh. And it was

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black in my airway, pushing pressure on my air way.

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the tube down there, I was fine. I was getting

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an oxygen. I'm I'm I'm doing good. You know, except

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Speaker 2: Everybody gives a little piece of cancer every once in

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a while, you know. Yeah, I've lived till you had

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some right. Uh, And what happened as the doctor came in,

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looked at the charts, looked at all the machines, you know,

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because they had me, you know, on the machine, you know,

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they put you on the machines and everything, and of

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course the oxygen going in and U tubes everywhere. And

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the doctor looked down and says, well, he seemed to

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be his stats look real good. Let's see how he

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does without the tube and see if he could breathe

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without it. Well, she kind of messed up because she

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should have had should have done an X ray prior

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to that, which she didn't, or an MI or something

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which is neither here nor there. You know, doctors are

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human too. She she took it out, asked my wife

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to leave the room, took it out, and you know,

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started watching. My wife came back in and she was

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in there about thirty thirty five minutes, and I was

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I was breathing fine, everything, everything was looking great, and

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I'm getting oxygen stats into my you know. They put

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it on a figure and said everything was good, and

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she says, all right, looks like he's doing okay on this.

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and of course my wife came back in. Well, they

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were gone about forty thirty five or forty minutes, according

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to medical records. And that's the other nice thing about

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unique thing about this. Everything was recorded, so I can

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when I say the time, I can look up the

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medical rocket and say how long it was during that

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thirty five to forty minutes that they were gone. That

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mass rolled over my airway and I suffocated to death.

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My heart stopped. I had no oxygen. My wife is

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the one that discovered me. Turned in blue deeper blue,

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deeper blue, deeper blue. It looked like somebody in the

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Blue Man group, except I had no makeup. I was

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just no oxygen. She ran out of the room out

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there and hollered, he's blue, he's blue. And the doctors

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at the nurses station and the doctor of course ran

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in and discovered me. She was right. I stopped breathing,

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my heart had stopped. Uh that course, hit the code

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blue button. Everybody in the world came in. They chased

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my wife out of there because, uh no, I'm not

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aware of this, okay. I mean that we read the

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medical records what it is, you know, and they started

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working on trying to get me breathing again. They had

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They were doing CPR. They took fifteen minutes of CPR

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to get my heart going.

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Speaker 2: And they were in the process. They were trying to

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get oxygen into me. They couldn't do that. Now. When

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I died the first time, I'd actually died three times

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within this one in succession.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, within this the situation.

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Speaker 2: Yes, got it. So the first time that I died,

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I was in heaven for fifteen minutes, basically about what

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we tried to equate that time. Fifteen minutes of time.

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no absence, no nothing, no stimulus and everything according to

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medical records. And I left my body and I remember

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hovering above my body and looking down and going like wow.

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under the tables. There were tubes that were pushing. They

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ended up breaking my ribs, of course, doing CPR, trying

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to get my heart going. I drifted out to the

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hall and I saw my wife just crying. She was

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just hysterical as she could imagine. And literally there were

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puddles of tears on the floor.

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Speaker 1: She was Were you aware that you were dead?

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Speaker 2: At that point, I knew, I knew something isn't normal. Okay, yes,

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I'm not with my body. I'm going like looking down,

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it's surreal. But it wasn't like that. I'm going, oh wow,

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Speaker 1: Like what's happening.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean no pain, no pain, no feeling, nothing.

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Speaker 1: Just at this point, you're just kind of like hovering

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Speaker 2: And I drifted back into thing. Now, this isn't for

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a long period of time. This was like maybe you know,

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twenty thirty seconds how long it takes to look down

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and see what's going on. And I drifted out here

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and then that fast, I was standing in heaven. I

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didn't see a tunnel light. You can go through a

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tunnel of light. I didn't do it. I was just

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Speaker 1: So what does heaven look like?

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. I remember the feeling as soon as

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I was standing there. Now I could feel, I could smell,

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I could hear, I could do everything. And I was

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standing at the edge of what I call like the

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inner courtyard, if you would call it. It's like a huge,

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uh maze, like a.

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Speaker 1: Pardon, is this a stone or is it?

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Speaker 2: No? It was, it was there were trees and bushes. Yes.

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So I'm standing here and I'm looking around literally like

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you were. Just what was it like? And I'm looking

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at I'm looking at the trees and the flowers and

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just to shrub everything, and it's just like there's just

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massive and so beautiful and brilliant, and like we have

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forty three oak trees in our backyard, and our oak

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trees compared to the trees and Heaven are like little

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dying branches. Oh, it's just the collars are so vibrant, right,

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and the colors and its just it's just colors.

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Speaker 1: They didn't recognize.

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Speaker 2: Yes, they're there. You've talked to other people. There is

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absolutely no way you could describe all. There's colors and

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trees and and the greens and different colors they don't

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even have here. What are you feeling? I am feeling

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the most peaceful, loving feeling. It's like a huge giant hub.

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It's like you're connected to everything and everything. It's just

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fills you with love and the peace, and and and

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I found out what that is is in heaven, there's

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no no sun, there's no there's no day, or it's

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just day, but there's no sun in this guy. You know.

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We always say that Jesus is the light. Well that's literal.

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He his light lights up all of heaven. And in

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his light is his love that carries out and comfort

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that just permeates everything and everybody and everybody's connected by

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that that love that you just just you just feel

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the love. It's just it's just a just like a

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giant hug proper.

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Speaker 1: Before we continue, were you a Christian prior.

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Speaker 2: In nineteen Yes, I was a Christian, but I wasn't

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what you would call a very good one.

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Speaker 1: You were the occasional Christian like I was an occasional Catholic.

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I would go Easter Christmas pretty much, that's it.

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Speaker 2: Yea. I accepted the Lord in nineteen eighty four, and

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I I just didn't you know, I knew I loved

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Jesus and I understood, but I wasn't going to church.

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I wasn't doing any of that. I didn't study the Bible,

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I didn't In fact, when I died, I didn't even

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own the Bible, so I had never read it. I

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just knew that he that I accepted the Lord.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you're back in heaven.

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Speaker 2: So I'm back in heaven. So now I'm looking at

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the trees and the vibrancy of them. But something unique

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about the trees and the plants in heaven. Every tree,

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every flower, every plant gives off what I call a

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little melodic tone or hum, and they all combined together

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for a song that singing praises to Jesus all day long.

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Now it's in the background, it's like a a not

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a white noise, but I mean if you stop and

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you could hear it, but it's there. There's no dead silence,

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but it's there, and it's continuously and it's the most

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beautiful song melodic tone that you ever could think of.

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In addition to that, every plant, every flower all gives

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off a special little scent of their own that wants

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to get again. Combined together makes the most beautiful fragrance

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and smell of air that you It's like fresh air

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and just everything you could even imagine. It's not strong

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like perfume or anything. It's just it's just the most

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incredible smell of fresh air that you could ever ever imagine. Now,

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you could stop and go to individual plants and look

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and smell them each different scent of the plants and

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separate it. But when it's combined, just like that, when

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you're not doing that, it's just like the trees, you

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can hear that special tone, but it's combined that does

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that that makes it beautiful thing. And it literally praises

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Jesus all day long. I mean we always hear they're

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gonna be praising Jesus all day long and praising God

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all day long. Well, the plants and everybody are, which

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is just it was just the neatest thing of most peaceful,

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loving feeling. You're looking at You're going like wow, I

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mean you just can't believe. And it's like you don't

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feel any pain, you don't feel you just feel vibrant, loved, warmth.

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Just it's just incredible and the beauty of everything is unbelievable.

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Over at the outside, I was outside, but I was

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looking in the inner courtyard and it's just rows of shrubbery.

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There was a river of pure causel river wife running

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through all the way back up to what would be

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like a throne if you would have it, and along

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it were benches with trees and flowers on the edge

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of the river and stuff. And if you ever seen

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these huge Manson Manson Manson mansions that have like all

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the shrubbery and stuff in designs and everything, okay, well,

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it was kind of like that, only the most elaborate, elegant,

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beautiful things, and everything was absolutely perfect. And I remember

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looking over and I saw a figure that I recognized,

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and I looked and it was in the distance and

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he was just there tending the bushes and stuff like that,

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you know, and it was my dad. My dad had

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died in nineteen ninety two. No, he died at two

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in twenty eleven, excuse me, in twenty eleven. He died

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at ninety two from cancer. They had trop cancer and

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it shriveled him away and eating away. But when I

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saw him, I recognized him as the dad of my youth.

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He was about thirty five thirty six years old, maybe,

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perfect health, happy, and I remembered him from from when

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I was growing up. And I'm looking and I'm like, wow,

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you know, because now the sensory overload is just I mean,

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I realized that I'm pretty sure I'm in heaven. This

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is you know, but I'm still not thinking about having

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been Dad dying, and you know, there was no pain

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that I was just eve and when I was down there,

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and I remember walking over approaching my dad and I

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walked up to him and I said, Dad, Now, my

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dad and I had this kind of little thing that

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we had when I was growing up. I was in

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the military and work was in some pretty precarious positions,

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and I remember I get shot or wounded or something.

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I spent three and a half years in Vietnam alone.

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But I'd come home and he he'd said, well, you

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really did it now, didn't your son? You know, yes, Dad,

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I didn't do anything, you know, but it was his

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little way of putting light on the situation. But it

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was kind of a little thing that we did, but

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it was, you know, my dad. Well every time I

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get and told me said you did it now, didn't you.

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And I walked up to him and I said Dad,

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and he goes yeah, he said, well you did it now,

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didn't you, son? And it was kind of like his

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way to let me know, this is my dad, right,

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And I'm going, Dad, I didn't do anything. I died.

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He says, I know.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

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and now back to the show.

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Speaker 2: I know. And I said wow. And I went like,

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am I ain't happening? He says, where do you think

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you are? And I says, I think it's happening. He

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says yes, and I went wow. And we talked a

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little bit and about, you know, things in the past.

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And I remember looking over seeing over in the far

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distance of light and a silhouette of a man which

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kind of you know, had a silhouette of Jesus. Is

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what I'm looking at. Guy. I says, who's that over there?

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And he said, who do you think it is? Says Jesus,

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and he goes yes. And I went like, wow. How

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do I get to talk to him? You know? And

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he goes, well, he says, the first thing you do

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when you're approaching me, you start with your right knee

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on the ground, then you left knee on the ground,

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and if there's a conversation to be had, he'll start it.

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I said, okay, so we're talking a little bit more,

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and of course, my being me, I want to go

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meet Jesus. So I started to walk in that fast.

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Just as fast as I was there that fast, I

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was back in my body. Those cotton picking doctors got

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my heart going. I went from like what are you doing? Yeah,

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I went from total absolute ecstasy.

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Speaker 1: To yes, slammed back into your body.

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Speaker 2: Bam right back in and the pain, all the pain

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and everything. And at this point, fortunately I wasn't there

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that long because at that point, yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Was you felt it.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, So now I'm going like this. But

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then it was almost as fast as I was back,

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I died again. Uh And I was right this time.

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I didn't hover. I was right back in heaven. This

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time I was standing outside of a field, a big,

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huge pasture, and the trees, the familiar smells and the

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hug and the feeling of love is like I'm home.

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Oh just it was absolutely incredible. Well, I was glad

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to get out of the back down there. So I

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was kind of glad I died again. While what happened

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down there, and the reason that I died again was

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because of stress pain. I suffocated the first time. The

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second time. During the time I was gone, they were

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trying to put get obviously took fifteen minutes in my

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heart going again. But they this time they were trying

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to get a track down me again, so that an

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oral intubation tube, you call it. Not the track yet.

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So I get oxygen again, but they couldn't get it

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down in there because that mass had rolled over it

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was blocking it. So then they decided they had to

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trake me. And of course they're doing CPR again because

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my heart stopped again and they're continuing with the CPR.

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I'm bouncing around on the table. You can imagine, and

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a scalpel and bouncing on a table is never good.

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So they were cutting. They cut me to put it tracking. Yeah,

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I know, I don't have a big hole there either.

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That's another amazing thing. We'll get to that down the road.

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But they cut it too big, cut it at an angle,

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and then they tried they was too big for the trake.

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They tried to insert the trake down in there, and

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they got that down in there, and what had happened

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was they could still couldn't get oxygen to me, so

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I continued being without oxygen. So I've already been without

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oxygen for fifteen minutes. Took them another twenty twenty minutes

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to get anything back down in there. And the reason

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for that is because to get my heart started again.

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I mean, when they inserted the tubes of the trait tube,

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they couldn't get oxygen in still. And the reason they

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couldn't was because they had nick and I had bled

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out into my lungs and my lungs were filled with

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blood and the trait tubes got filled with blood and

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all it was doing was pumping blood oxygen in there,

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and they couldn't get any oxygen because my inside of

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my lungs had been coated with blood. They were coagulating,

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and when they pulled the trade tube out, the auction

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was still going in, but it's just shot blood everywhere

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because they kept filling up with blood. That's when they

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realize we now have a blood problem in addition to

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a heart problem, in addition to an oxygen problem. We

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got big problems. And when they my heart stopped the

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second time and they went, they came out to my wife,

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he's gone. It's gone again. He's gone. He's gone. And

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they came out and to my wife and says, what

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do you want us to do? And we had a

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living will, and my wife says, you do everything you can.

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And they went back in and he said, his wife says,

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keep doing everything that we can, so they did. They continued.

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Took him another twenty minutes to get my heart started.

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They were trying to get blood out of there. They're pumping.

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Speaker 1: So now they're trying to get you back. What's going

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on in heaven?

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm sorry? All right, Well, Jesus told me to

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tell everybody what that was because when he sent me back,

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he wants people to know. Got it, all right? So

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I'm back in heaven. Yeah, yeah, I'm standing at the

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pasture in a field of just beautiful now, the trees,

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the flowers, it's tall, flowing grass, and across the field

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come running two horses trotting and three little dogs. I'm

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looking at this, and as they got closer, I recognized

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the two horses. My wife and I had horses. One

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was named Shahouche called him Shock. He's a white Arabian,

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beautiful horse, personality of a playful clown. Thought he was

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a dog in the arena with her. He jumped like

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a dog does with her. The other one was named Nuggets.

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She was a quarter horse, a Buckskin quarter horse. Very

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regal and gentle, you know, total different personalities. I recognized

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they came up. We had to have both of them

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put down because of age and cancer and stuff like

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that they had. And they both came running up to

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me along with the three little dogs. And I recognized

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the horses. Except now they're in perfect shape too. There's

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nothing wrong with him right, no sway back from Sath,

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I mean, just absolutely beautiful. And I recognized two of

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the dogs. Third one I didn't know. And we have

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had three three dogs we had. First dog was named Fudge.

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Fudge one, of course, we had to have him put

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down because of old age. Fudge two, we had him

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put down because of old age and dementia. And then

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we have another dog right now, Fudge three. But he's

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still okay. He's still at home with us. But those

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were Fudge one and Fudge two that we had. There

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were our dogs that they were there. Third one I

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didn't know. Later I found out that that little third

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dog was named Annie. And there was a dog that

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my wife had had before I even knew her. I

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never knew this dog. I never knew that my wife

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had this.

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Speaker 1: Dog decieted like, hey, I'm going to come to the party.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you know, and the little dog. She was

475
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,960
just sitting there, cute little dog. And I was back

476
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,079
telling my wife about, you know, the dogs, obviously telling

477
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:09,000
her what happened, and she goes just a minute, she

478
00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:10,519
went out a picture and she says, is this do

479
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,480
I described it? And this? I said, yes, it was

480
00:28:13,519 --> 00:28:15,359
her dog that she had put down before I even

481
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:20,920
knew her. So at that point, I'm treated with this experience.

482
00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:25,400
Our pets are absolutely in heaven. They were a gift

483
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,079
from God, and he doesn't take gifts that he gives

484
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:32,359
you back. He gave us those dogs, he gave us

485
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,559
those horses, and that bond that special, and they do

486
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,960
have little souls and they do love and they are

487
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,880
they're just the coolest animals. Now, another thing that I

488
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,920
found out in heaven was when you're in heaven, you

489
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:49,720
can communicate with your pets. Not like hell old mister

490
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,160
ed the talking horse, but you know what they're saying,

491
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:53,920
they know what you're saying, you can communicate it. And

492
00:28:54,039 --> 00:28:58,279
we had the greatest conversation and they were they were

493
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,079
happy that we took them out of their suffering.

494
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: When you were speaking to your dad in the first

495
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,599
the first time. Were you doing the same kind of community.

496
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 2: No, it was physical, just like we're talking here.

497
00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:12,799
Speaker 1: Really, so you saw a body you saw, Oh, yes,

498
00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:15,160
and he saw and you had a body you actually.

499
00:29:14,839 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 2: I actually had a body you saw. I wasn't a

500
00:29:17,039 --> 00:29:20,079
spirit for him, I was. I was there. It was

501
00:29:20,119 --> 00:29:23,160
physically a perfect body, just like my dad was just

502
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,440
a perfect body. We're talking just like we are here,

503
00:29:26,319 --> 00:29:28,799
and same thing there. They had. The horses weren't spirit,

504
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,200
they were physical horses, just like physically you.

505
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: Were talking to them. Mental yes, and uh.

506
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 2: It was just the most incredible experience. And we talked,

507
00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:46,599
we talked. I wasn't having that time about seventeen minutes,

508
00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:53,799
seventeen minutes, and I was just enjoying myself. This was

509
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:58,599
just and just feeling loved like you just you can't

510
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,160
explain the feeling there with the smells and sounds and

511
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,960
the beauty of everything is just And it's not just

512
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,799
the beauty, it's that you're connected to all that beauty.

513
00:30:07,799 --> 00:30:10,440
You're connected to all those trees. You're connected to. I

514
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,559
never felt love and connected with my father like I

515
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:19,519
did when I was there, or the horses or the dogs.

516
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:25,640
It's just a total just overwhelming love and appreciation.

517
00:30:25,319 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: And connection, total absolute. We'll be right back after a

518
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:37,920
word from our sponsor, and now back to the show.

519
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,599
Speaker 2: You want to know what the doctors did, right?

520
00:30:42,759 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: They brought you back again, didn't they? Those sons are

521
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:47,200
you know?

522
00:30:47,519 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say that. What you're having, I'm going

523
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,960
I can't believe you. What are you doing?

524
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,599
Speaker 1: I'm hanging out with horses and heaven, I'm feeling good.

525
00:30:55,599 --> 00:30:57,079
What do you keep doing? I don't want to come

526
00:30:57,079 --> 00:30:59,039
back here? You are you kidding me?

527
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 2: So I'm sitting there or now I'm back in my

528
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,720
body that fast. I'm back in.

529
00:31:04,759 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: And pain everything everything, and you're in you're conscious again again.

530
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 2: I'm aware of everything. Well, at this point, I wasn't

531
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:20,480
back very long again because I drowned on my blood. Obviously,

532
00:31:20,559 --> 00:31:23,000
I'm still getting no oxygen at this point. I was

533
00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:27,720
without oxygen now for about thirty five minutes, with zero oxygen,

534
00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:32,359
no heartbeat except for a fraction. Oh, we got to

535
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,319
go in and okay, let them field what's going on?

536
00:31:36,079 --> 00:31:39,240
I let them die again? Go on back? So I

537
00:31:39,279 --> 00:31:44,359
did again, So I'm back there now. I died the

538
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,720
third time, and I went back to heaven again. Well,

539
00:31:47,759 --> 00:31:52,039
they kept working on me down here and what they

540
00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:54,720
can read it in the book. If they want, we'll

541
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:59,119
get to have the talk about having here. But they continue.

542
00:31:59,119 --> 00:32:01,079
They had to scrape my lungs, They had to take

543
00:32:01,119 --> 00:32:05,480
me to surgery scrape my lungs out. They had drained blood.

544
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,839
They ended up draining out eventually. I think it was

545
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,839
like had drilled a hole in my side and drained

546
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,160
like a leader bottle full of blood fluids out. I

547
00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:17,640
was a pretty bad shit, that sounds like it. But

548
00:32:17,839 --> 00:32:20,839
my wife wouldn't let them. They want after the first time.

549
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,599
Speaker 1: I mean, look, look, after thirty five minutes your brain dead.

550
00:32:24,759 --> 00:32:28,880
There's really nothing to con in theory, there's really nothing

551
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,000
to bring back because you would arguably be a vestable

552
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,359
did if you happened to come back.

553
00:32:34,519 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 2: Absolutely no, the doctors after the first fifteen minutes wanted

554
00:32:38,279 --> 00:32:41,440
to pull it right then. Of course after the second

555
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:46,680
time they there's no. But my wife wouldn't let them know.

556
00:32:48,039 --> 00:32:51,839
And with a living will, it states that if they

557
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:56,319
put you on life support machine for any reason, they

558
00:32:56,319 --> 00:33:00,680
can't take you off except for fourteen day on ours

559
00:33:01,799 --> 00:33:05,319
unless she agreed to power agrees yes you can. You

560
00:33:05,319 --> 00:33:07,160
can take them all the life support. Well, they kept

561
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,799
trying to convince her, and she kept trying to tell

562
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,720
him no, get back in there. She was. She's a

563
00:33:12,759 --> 00:33:15,400
determined crist It's a bulldog in oh. Man, I'll tell you,

564
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,720
I couldn't ask for a better woman. Was protecting her man.

565
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: She was protecting her man.

566
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,799
Speaker 2: She is the sweetish, most wonderful and incredible woman I

567
00:33:21,839 --> 00:33:22,319
have ever heard.

568
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: And you're not just saying that because she's hearing you

569
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:24,440
in the other room.

570
00:33:24,519 --> 00:33:28,039
Speaker 2: Oh, I actually forgot she was in there. No, no, no, no,

571
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:29,200
no no.

572
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: How long have you been married with her?

573
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 2: We've been over a little thirty one years. And put

574
00:33:33,759 --> 00:33:37,319
me on the spot here. Yeah, no, she is. She's

575
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:38,119
my everything.

576
00:33:38,319 --> 00:33:40,799
Speaker 1: I know the feeling as I tell her.

577
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,079
Speaker 2: Second to Jesus, Now, I want to get on my

578
00:33:44,119 --> 00:33:48,759
priorities straight. So I died the third time. I'm back

579
00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:54,519
in heaven again. This time I'm going like, hopefully I

580
00:33:54,519 --> 00:33:56,240
don't have to go back again. I mean, I'll be

581
00:33:56,279 --> 00:33:59,640
here longer. You know, I didn't know how long I

582
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,920
was going to be either. I'm standing at the inner courtyard,

583
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,920
and that same familiar smell and peace.

584
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: The courtyard from the first time yes, okay.

585
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 2: Except I'm more over here. I still saw my dad

586
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,280
over there, and I saw my mom in the distance

587
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,119
over there. I never went up and talked to her.

588
00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:20,239
My dad was the only one that I ever talked to.

589
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:25,880
And I'm now I'm backing after having talked with Jesus

590
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:31,079
for a long time. I understand why. But I'm standing

591
00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:34,599
there and I'm looking and I'm going like, oh, this

592
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,400
is so much better than down. Oh it feels good.

593
00:34:37,519 --> 00:34:42,639
No pain, tranquility, love, peace, the smells, the trees, the

594
00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:47,760
familiar hug of oh I'm home. And I saw in

595
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:52,360
the distance says okay, I saw the silhouette Jesus. I'm

596
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,880
going to talk. I'm going to try and go and

597
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,360
talk to Jesus. Now I've had the experiences before that

598
00:34:58,400 --> 00:34:59,880
I didn't make it over there to talk to me,

599
00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:02,039
and I'm going I hope. I didn't know what I

600
00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:03,480
was going to get to, but I'm going to try.

601
00:35:04,079 --> 00:35:08,840
And I walked over and as I approached, I found

602
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:13,920
out my dad was wrong. He said to start with

603
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,159
your right knee underground, and you left me on the ground.

604
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,519
If conversation to be had, he'll start it. He was wrong.

605
00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:24,400
I didn't start with my right nam I left knee.

606
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,599
I just fell full prostate, straight face down on the ground,

607
00:35:27,679 --> 00:35:32,039
crying like a baby. It was like not tears of sorrow,

608
00:35:32,119 --> 00:35:37,679
tears of joy and humility. I'm not at this point.

609
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,639
I'm not standing. I was laying in front of my

610
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,719
Lord and Savior, the creator of the entire universe. I'm

611
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,079
in front of him. I know I'm in heaven. Now.

612
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:58,480
He stood and he walked over to me, and he

613
00:35:58,559 --> 00:36:01,480
reached down with his hand. He says, take my hand

614
00:36:01,519 --> 00:36:08,719
and stand. We've much to talk about, and he helped

615
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,280
me up. He wiped my tears and said it's going

616
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:19,079
to be okay, let's walk and talk. The first thing

617
00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:27,000
out of my mouth selfishness, should have been anything but this,

618
00:36:27,199 --> 00:36:32,480
but it wasn't. I said why I said this? I said,

619
00:36:32,519 --> 00:36:38,960
can I go back? Really? I said, I need the comfort, Carol,

620
00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:43,639
because I remembered her in the anguish that she was

621
00:36:43,679 --> 00:36:46,480
going in, because of where I was at and what

622
00:36:46,599 --> 00:36:50,639
I felt, every bit of her pain, every bit of

623
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:52,920
things she was going.

624
00:36:52,679 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 1: Through while you were in heaven.

625
00:36:54,519 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 2: Oh there, yeah, okay, Remember I wasn't a resident yet.

626
00:37:00,679 --> 00:37:06,559
We're yeah, miss. My memory was still very poignant about

627
00:37:06,559 --> 00:37:10,119
her back care and what's going on. I knew what

628
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,840
was going on back here. I knew that I had

629
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,239
died at this point, there's no question. I know I

630
00:37:15,679 --> 00:37:21,960
died three times now, And I says, can I go back?

631
00:37:23,199 --> 00:37:25,880
He never answered it. It was like I went right

632
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,599
over his head. I well, I guess that's my answer.

633
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:36,119
So we started walking. And I know there's no time

634
00:37:36,159 --> 00:37:38,599
in heaven. I want to emphasize that, and the time

635
00:37:38,639 --> 00:37:42,559
periods that I use. I utilize for absent from the body,

636
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:49,639
no heartbeat, no oxygen. This is what equates death here, okay.

637
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:55,840
And I've gone through medical notes and they recorded everything,

638
00:37:56,559 --> 00:38:01,679
heart stopped, heart started, heart stopped, heart started, heart stopped,

639
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,480
heart started, no oxygen. Well, the second time that I died,

640
00:38:06,519 --> 00:38:09,039
I it was like fifty five minutes before they could

641
00:38:09,079 --> 00:38:11,920
get my heart and oxygen everything to where I could

642
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,599
get any oxygen in me. And this is after surgery

643
00:38:14,639 --> 00:38:20,000
and everything else. And when they finally did get oxygen

644
00:38:20,039 --> 00:38:23,079
coming back in, it was only started out like point

645
00:38:23,679 --> 00:38:28,800
zero three of one percent. I mean virtually nothing. Sure,

646
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,159
you got to have ninety percent or above ninety five

647
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:36,199
is usually normal, ninety five hundred percent. But at point

648
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:41,400
zero three is ridiculous. And it took several a little

649
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,719
bit while before you could get the oxygen count back up.

650
00:38:45,639 --> 00:38:50,920
But I'm standing there and he says, all right, let's

651
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,159
walk and talk in happen again. And we're walking through heaven,

652
00:38:54,719 --> 00:39:00,280
and I mean, wow, you cannot even imagine, and how

653
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:05,559
beautiful heaven is. The smells, the joys, the love that

654
00:39:05,639 --> 00:39:10,800
you feel. And I'm walking with Jesus hand in hand.

655
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:17,159
And as we walked through heaven, we walked and talked.

656
00:39:17,199 --> 00:39:21,960
I say talked. He talked mostly he was teaching. He

657
00:39:22,039 --> 00:39:26,199
taught me about the Bible. He shared with me things

658
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:33,000
in heaven. We went. We ended up walking towards to

659
00:39:33,039 --> 00:39:35,320
our house. What our mansion is going to be in heaven.

660
00:39:35,519 --> 00:39:37,280
He took me there to show me that. But we

661
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:43,199
walked for forty three hours in twenty eight minutes straight, NonStop,

662
00:39:43,519 --> 00:39:48,880
no sleep, just him teaching me continuously. And he while

663
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,000
we walk, he taught me about the Bible, why it

664
00:39:52,039 --> 00:39:55,559
was written. He told me about different religions, how religions

665
00:39:55,559 --> 00:39:59,239
came about, all the different you know, everything he taught

666
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:03,960
me when time began creation, from Genesis all the way

667
00:40:04,199 --> 00:40:06,960
through Revelations. He taught me why there seems to be

668
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,239
things in the Bible that show can be interpreted different ways,

669
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,440
or what appears to be contradictions, but they're not. Why

670
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:18,559
he used parables, examples, what we need to do, how

671
00:40:18,599 --> 00:40:21,079
to leen on your understanding. Taught me what truly is

672
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:26,239
salvation in faith? I mean what it? I mean everything,

673
00:40:26,599 --> 00:40:28,119
And I'm going like, why is he teaching me the

674
00:40:28,199 --> 00:40:30,599
same point when you get to heaven, I always been

675
00:40:30,639 --> 00:40:34,119
taught me, you'll know everything. Well, that's wasn't true in

676
00:40:34,159 --> 00:40:34,679
my case.

677
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor

678
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:43,719
and now back to the show.

679
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 2: And probably because I he knew, but I didn't that

680
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:54,880
I wasn't going to be staying. I was going to

681
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,679
be going back. So he continued to teach me for

682
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,960
that entire time, and he shared with me what he

683
00:41:03,039 --> 00:41:06,639
wants me to share with other people because of questions

684
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,719
people have. So we continued walking through and learning and teaching,

685
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,599
and we ended up back at the inner courtyard.

686
00:41:13,199 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 1: This is all nature, still all natural.

687
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it wasn't spirit. It was physical. When he says,

688
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:21,880
if I stood up, if I was on the ground

689
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,440
and you reached over and grabbed me and helped me up,

690
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,400
it was physical. We were talking, this wasn't a dream,

691
00:41:26,679 --> 00:41:31,320
this isn't a vision, this is this is heaven. And

692
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,320
he showed us what our house was going to look like,

693
00:41:33,559 --> 00:41:36,119
where was going to be, and he explained to me

694
00:41:36,159 --> 00:41:38,639
about the New heavens and the New Earth and that

695
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,760
where he kind of scared me when he said this.

696
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,079
He says, now you know this is not where you're

697
00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:47,719
going to spend all of eternity. All I thought, Oh

698
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:52,760
my goodness, what a horrible what a horrible I mean,

699
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,119
you're walking me through all of it.

700
00:41:54,159 --> 00:41:56,599
Speaker 1: That's horrible, horrible ending there Jesus.

701
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, he cleared it up real quick, but that moment

702
00:41:59,639 --> 00:42:05,440
my heart fluttered him when like, ro what, no, you

703
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:09,079
just show me. This wasn't gonna miss. He says, because.

704
00:42:10,519 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: All of this is not for you. That's exactly what

705
00:42:14,119 --> 00:42:14,760
You're like, Oh.

706
00:42:14,599 --> 00:42:18,559
Speaker 2: God, yeah, he said. He says, new heavens and the

707
00:42:18,599 --> 00:42:21,079
New Earth and the New Earth is where we'll be

708
00:42:21,159 --> 00:42:23,679
part of the New heavens. And I'm going like, okay,

709
00:42:23,679 --> 00:42:25,599
I remember that. And then of course he taught me

710
00:42:25,639 --> 00:42:27,280
about the New Heavens and the New Earth in the

711
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,760
Bible and everything and how it's going to be it'll

712
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,679
be very similar. But the New Earth is gonna be

713
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,880
a lot larger, obviously, And there's a lot of things

714
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,320
that have changed that will not apply that'll apply here,

715
00:42:38,679 --> 00:42:40,519
like how we travel, how do we talk to people,

716
00:42:40,559 --> 00:42:44,920
where we're gonna live, what we're gonna eat, uh everything?

717
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,880
What do we do in heaven? He taught me all

718
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:53,079
of these things. And then I'm going like, why has

719
00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:56,920
he giving me all this information? And we get back

720
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,800
at the Inner Courtyard and we're sitting on a bench

721
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,079
underneath a canopy of trees and the river of Life

722
00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:11,000
flo I mean a serene, surreal, I mean vision that

723
00:43:11,039 --> 00:43:13,840
you just you couldn't even imagine how beautiful it was.

724
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:20,800
I'm sitting here on a bench next to Jesus, next

725
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:31,119
to God. And he started the conversation. He said, when

726
00:43:31,159 --> 00:43:35,079
you first came before me, he said, you asked if

727
00:43:35,159 --> 00:43:38,119
you could go back? I went, oh, he did. Here.

728
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 1: I don't think Jesus is hard of hearing.

729
00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:45,679
Speaker 2: No, he's not. He didn't answer that, he says. However,

730
00:43:46,559 --> 00:43:48,599
he says, and this is when I knew exactly how

731
00:43:48,639 --> 00:43:53,760
bad my body was. He says, your your brain has

732
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:58,400
been destroyed. Obviously. Ninety minutes, No oxygen or longer than

733
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,360
ninety because it was leaving. It was only like a point.

734
00:44:01,519 --> 00:44:05,480
He said, your body's been ravished. Not only has your

735
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:09,519
brain been destroyed, but your body. When your body is

736
00:44:09,559 --> 00:44:12,840
without oxygen, it eats away the muscles, It eats everything too,

737
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:17,079
and it blows. When it eats a cell to get

738
00:44:17,079 --> 00:44:20,280
the oxygen that's residual oxygen, it explodes and then it's

739
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:25,880
a gas. That's why dead people blow up. My brain. Yeah,

740
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,280
it's this horn. My skull was deformed. I mean I

741
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,000
looked at it when I came back. I looked at

742
00:44:32,039 --> 00:44:37,360
the MRI from the evening of the nineteenth They did

743
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,519
an MRI, and my skull looked like something out of

744
00:44:40,559 --> 00:44:43,000
a monster movie. And there was nothing in there. I

745
00:44:43,039 --> 00:44:46,039
had no brain, no activity, so they knew I was

746
00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:50,599
brained in. And he says, your body's been ravaged. It's

747
00:44:50,599 --> 00:44:55,119
been destroyed. He says, and I could not send you

748
00:44:55,199 --> 00:44:58,159
back because if I were to send you back to

749
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:02,400
your body, and even in this he was kind. Instead

750
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,840
of saying you'd be a vegetable, he said you would

751
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,679
be self contained within that physical body, and you would

752
00:45:09,679 --> 00:45:14,760
not be able to comfort or help anybody. Instead of

753
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,159
saying your vestment, you're just gonna be self contained. It's

754
00:45:17,159 --> 00:45:18,719
gonna be a holding some until I bring you back

755
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:24,400
up here anyway. He says. Therefore, I cannot and would

756
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,039
not send you back. I went, I got my answer again,

757
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,000
and then again, like when he said, you're not going

758
00:45:30,039 --> 00:45:31,760
to live here for all, he's learning to me, he's

759
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:37,039
scares here, right, He goes. However, I could and would

760
00:45:37,079 --> 00:45:43,480
send you back with some caveats. He said. First, I'll

761
00:45:43,519 --> 00:45:48,760
send you back with a miracle that nobody could ever deny.

762
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:54,760
Not the doctors, not the nurses, not scientists, nobody could

763
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,719
ever deny that. He when I say I am God,

764
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,960
this is just him talking that I am God, and

765
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:06,039
I did this, and there's no question that I'm alive.

766
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,840
I'm real. Heaven is real, and they will never be

767
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,760
able to question that. They could question whether or not

768
00:46:16,119 --> 00:46:18,440
you talk to me. What you learned is from me,

769
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,639
he said. But when they think about the miracle, it

770
00:46:21,639 --> 00:46:23,480
wouldn't make any sense for you to come back and

771
00:46:23,519 --> 00:46:27,000
tell something that wasn't, he said. I wouldn't allow that,

772
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,159
he says, but they cannot deny that he's God, and

773
00:46:31,199 --> 00:46:34,239
that's why they will listen to what you have to say.

774
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,239
I went okay, he says. Now, I will send you

775
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,400
back as if you had never died, as if you

776
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,599
had never had anything wrong with you in your entire life,

777
00:46:46,039 --> 00:46:49,280
he said. I will restore you. I will. First, I

778
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:53,159
will give you a new brain. I will restore your

779
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:57,000
entire memory of your entire life that you can ever

780
00:46:57,079 --> 00:47:00,519
recall on. I will give you a total memory of

781
00:47:00,559 --> 00:47:07,880
everything that you learned, experienced, and we're taught while here

782
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,000
in heaven from me, he says. And I'll give you

783
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:17,559
a complete memory with recall for all of that, he says.

784
00:47:17,679 --> 00:47:20,400
I will restore your heart, your delivery, your kiddies. I

785
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,719
will give you everything new and will be as if

786
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,400
you had never died, as if nothing had ever happened.

787
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,599
Your body will recover and your brain will be remain

788
00:47:29,679 --> 00:47:33,920
intact perfect and my body. You take a little bit

789
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:41,599
to recovery, not like normal people. Yeah, and uh it

790
00:47:41,639 --> 00:47:43,519
was it was. The recovery was amazing.

791
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 1: Why you heart new lungs.

792
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:47,639
Speaker 2: Every Well, when I came back, I had new heart, new,

793
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,239
everything was brand new. Do not even have the same

794
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:55,719
typelood found that out later. So your blood type I

795
00:47:56,159 --> 00:47:59,760
was a type A. I'm now a typo my DNA

796
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:00,559
to match.

797
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: Interesting and that's something that that's provable obviously.

798
00:48:06,039 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh all of it. I was in the military.

799
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:12,239
You want to have trouble proven military has me type Hey.

800
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:13,800
When I go back in there and they draw blood

801
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,440
and stuff, you know, for physicals, and I go, what

802
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,000
what's going on here? All of a sudden, now they said,

803
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:25,639
this is type O. Yeah, well you know, remember right,

804
00:48:25,679 --> 00:48:26,239
I died here.

805
00:48:28,039 --> 00:48:31,159
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're still back before we get back down.

806
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 2: Okay. So we're standing there on the bench and he says,

807
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,320
now I couldn't would send you back. I'll send you

808
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,960
back with new brain, new everything. So if you had

809
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:45,320
never died, he says, and I will command you to

810
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:49,800
share everything that I taught you, everything you learned, everything

811
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:54,400
that you experienced in heaven, including how you died, why

812
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:58,360
you died, what happened to you in the miracle that

813
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:04,639
I'd performed bring you back. You will share that with anybody, anywhere, anytime,

814
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:09,039
and to as many people as you can until you return.

815
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:14,519
He says. You will also answer any questions with anybody anywhere,

816
00:49:14,639 --> 00:49:18,320
anytime that I put in front of you, and you

817
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,639
will answer their questions. He said, I'll be with you.

818
00:49:21,079 --> 00:49:24,199
You'll answer them in spirit and truth, and you will

819
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:27,760
answer them from what I taught you, he says, And

820
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:31,480
you will do that until I bring you home. He says.

821
00:49:31,559 --> 00:49:37,079
Now there was another caveat. He says, when you go

822
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:41,079
back soon, you choose to go back, and he gave

823
00:49:41,159 --> 00:49:45,840
me a choice. He says. In addition to those caveats,

824
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,840
you will experience when you enter your body, you will

825
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:56,320
experience every bit of pain that your body is going

826
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:03,840
through until you leave the hospital and fully recover as

827
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,800
if you had no anesthesia. He says. Now, the doctors

828
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,239
will give you anesthesia. You will have that, but you're

829
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,000
gonna feel it.

830
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

831
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:20,239
and now back to the show.

832
00:50:22,519 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 2: And if you go through that and you survive that,

833
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,920
this was had another if Jesus ever tells you if.

834
00:50:29,159 --> 00:50:31,119
Speaker 1: I'm not get ready, it's not a good situation.

835
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:36,079
Speaker 2: He said. If you survive that, then you will fully

836
00:50:36,119 --> 00:50:42,519
recover and you will carry out my mission. It is

837
00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:46,519
it okay, he says. Now, you know when I taught

838
00:50:46,559 --> 00:50:50,320
you up here that if somebody comes to heaven, they

839
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,679
do not get to look down upon their loved ones.

840
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,440
You can't interact, you can't interfere, you can't come from them,

841
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,000
because that's going to cause problems in heaven as far

842
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:03,519
as emotions, anger and so on, And that's a whole

843
00:51:03,559 --> 00:51:08,000
other topic. But he says, everybody will understand that now

844
00:51:08,599 --> 00:51:11,679
if you stay, if you choose to stay, you have

845
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,039
your choice. You can stay, and you will be here

846
00:51:14,039 --> 00:51:17,320
in heaven and you will be fine. You won't remember Carol.

847
00:51:17,639 --> 00:51:20,840
You will not have any ability to comfort her or

848
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:25,920
do anything until she comes here. That's the way that's

849
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,239
going to be. Or if you choose to go back,

850
00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:34,440
you will have to fulfill all of those caveats. And

851
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,239
if so, then you will go ahead and you will

852
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:42,960
share my word as I have told you your choice.

853
00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:45,840
When you choose, understand, I'm going to search your heart

854
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,719
your mind to make sure that it's for the right

855
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:52,079
to correct reasons and nothing totally out of lot and

856
00:51:52,079 --> 00:52:00,400
no selfish. This is your choice, you choose. It didn't

857
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,119
take long, and I must have had the right reasons

858
00:52:05,039 --> 00:52:08,199
because the next instant I was sitting on the bench

859
00:52:08,199 --> 00:52:14,039
with Jesus in heaven, total peace, love. You can just imagine,

860
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:18,440
and that fast and I'm back in my body and

861
00:52:18,519 --> 00:52:19,599
it was not pleasant.

862
00:52:20,159 --> 00:52:21,199
Speaker 1: All of it came rushing in.

863
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:25,559
Speaker 2: I went through surgery. The doctors had no idea that

864
00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:29,199
I could feel anything. They assumed, like everybody else, you're

865
00:52:29,199 --> 00:52:31,679
not going to feel anything. So when you're in surgery,

866
00:52:32,159 --> 00:52:33,239
I felt everything.

867
00:52:33,559 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: Not only did you feel anything? But are you dead

868
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:36,760
at this point or no?

869
00:52:37,679 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 2: I am back alive.

870
00:52:39,679 --> 00:52:41,079
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're alive now.

871
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 2: He let me experience everything, even though I was gone before.

872
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,599
He let me experience The reason why he didn't, but

873
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:50,000
I understand that a lot of people have asked that

874
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:54,840
I understand now why because what he was asking me

875
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,280
to do was not of the norm, and he wanted

876
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:02,199
to make sure that I understood what he went through

877
00:53:03,119 --> 00:53:07,880
in a small way, and that there's always a sacrifice

878
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:11,199
that you have to make, you have to endure. And

879
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,440
I think it was his way of showing me that

880
00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:18,599
to endure that then I would be able to endure

881
00:53:19,159 --> 00:53:22,519
and go and talk to anywhere, anybody, any place, anytime,

882
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,480
because quite candidly, some of the things that I tell people,

883
00:53:25,519 --> 00:53:26,280
you know, they look.

884
00:53:26,079 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 1: At you like in three heads.

885
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:33,679
Speaker 2: Really yeah, but yet it's truth in its facts. He

886
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:39,400
wanted me to understand that this was not normal. This

887
00:53:39,599 --> 00:53:43,119
is a one of one and I'm going back because

888
00:53:43,159 --> 00:53:45,639
I need you to do this. He was asking me

889
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,480
to do something for him and wanted to make sure

890
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:52,119
that I understood it wasn't just something to try this

891
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,519
job out. You really want to be able to do this.

892
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,320
And I think it was a furtherance of him surging

893
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,079
my heart. Yes, I had the right reasons in my heart,

894
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,639
but remember he said in your I'll search your heart

895
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:08,239
in your mind, my heart he knew was true. Was

896
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,000
my mind going to be able to with stand and

897
00:54:11,079 --> 00:54:15,760
do this and truly want this over all costs? And

898
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:17,559
I think that's what it was. It is his way

899
00:54:17,559 --> 00:54:22,000
of saying, will your mind understand at all costs that

900
00:54:22,119 --> 00:54:23,000
you have to do this?

901
00:54:24,039 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: So you're so you're back, So you come back. You

902
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,559
told me earlier off camera that you had completely died.

903
00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:35,159
You even got bloated. Yeah, so explain that. Explain that,

904
00:54:35,199 --> 00:54:37,480
like I want people to really truly understand how dead

905
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:38,039
you were, sir.

906
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 2: I was, I had. I was at the Country Music

907
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:46,559
Awards and I was talking and that they I gave

908
00:54:46,599 --> 00:54:49,440
a thing at the church there for everybody that was

909
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,320
in the Country Music of Christian Country Music Awards and uh.

910
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:56,920
I gave a testimony, and the pastor of the preacher

911
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,440
that was introducing me, he said, he said, and this

912
00:55:00,519 --> 00:55:01,800
is kind of funny the way he said. He said,

913
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:05,800
this guy was graveyard dead. That's pretty much what it was.

914
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:11,400
When you are without oxygen for even just a short

915
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:16,280
period of five minutes, they say death is it's going

916
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:21,800
to happen. At ten minutes to fifteen minutes, there's absolutely

917
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:27,440
no recovery. At twenty to thirty minutes, it's just destroyed.

918
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:32,639
There's absolutely no way you are coming back without total

919
00:55:32,679 --> 00:55:36,119
absolute brain damage. And if you say a vegetable or

920
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:41,239
is Jesus self contained within your own body at ninety minutes,

921
00:55:41,559 --> 00:55:45,719
At twenty five minutes, additional things happens. So your brain

922
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:51,320
has residual oxygen in all the brain cells, your body, muscles, everything,

923
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,639
every organ in your body has residual oxygen and the

924
00:55:53,679 --> 00:55:58,480
cells that make it up. When your brain is without oxygen,

925
00:55:58,559 --> 00:56:02,159
it explodes those cells because it's starving for oxygen and

926
00:56:02,199 --> 00:56:05,880
it wants to get the oxygen. As a result, it

927
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:10,079
explodes those brain cells. It gets that oxygen, but it

928
00:56:10,119 --> 00:56:14,280
also emits a gas, and the more brain cells that

929
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:18,079
you have are eaten the more gas it gets in there.

930
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:22,039
In my case, my whole brain was eaten. My brain

931
00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:27,119
cells were eating. The gas that was emitted just blew

932
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,400
my skull even out of proportion because of the thing.

933
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,480
It just took the bone. It looked like some kind

934
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:35,119
of a monster skull, but left nothing else to get

935
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,360
There was no brain cells left to get oxygen from

936
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:39,960
the body as well. That happened at your body, does

937
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,519
it a little bit slower process? And what happens is

938
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,519
when a person dies, they have residual oxygen in them anyway,

939
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,280
And that's why you see blowed at people. That's their

940
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:53,079
muscles and everything exploding because it's still starving for oxygen

941
00:56:53,119 --> 00:56:55,000
and it explodes and the gas emits, and of course

942
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,440
the gas builds up, builds up, builds up, and you

943
00:56:57,599 --> 00:57:00,239
just keep blowing up, blowing up, blowing up like a

944
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,400
Pillsbury door boy. My wife would come in and she

945
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,239
would try and and she says, is it to the

946
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,559
doctor says, okay, if I rub his hands because they

947
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,400
you know, they're just blowd can you can imagine?

948
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,559
Speaker 1: And he said, Ye're alive at this point, your machines.

949
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 2: I was, I was live, but I was I was

950
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:17,760
still still dead.

951
00:57:18,159 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 1: Right, you were dead, but you were the machines were

952
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,079
technically keeping you alive, but you weren't.

953
00:57:22,119 --> 00:57:23,719
Speaker 2: They had the heart going and that was all that

954
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:24,239
was happening.

955
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and the oxygen they were still trying to

956
00:57:26,199 --> 00:57:26,440
get up.

957
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 2: There were still trying to get oxygen in there. Yes,

958
00:57:29,039 --> 00:57:32,760
so she he's a doctor, told her, yeah, it won't

959
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:36,159
hurt anything. So she would just rub my hands and

960
00:57:36,199 --> 00:57:39,519
she would just try to do that. But I just

961
00:57:39,559 --> 00:57:44,159
blew up like the marshmallow dough boy, like a dead

962
00:57:44,159 --> 00:57:47,159
person does. And that's what happens. The difference between that

963
00:57:47,239 --> 00:57:51,159
and this is is he gave me life again and

964
00:57:51,239 --> 00:57:53,559
I was able to get in a residuate, get that

965
00:57:53,679 --> 00:57:57,239
out of there, my my lungs and everything, and recover.

966
00:57:57,679 --> 00:57:59,239
Speaker 1: So let me ask you a question. Right, so you're

967
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,400
you're you're you're feeling all this pain. They've done surgery

968
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:06,480
on you. You're still bloating, your heads a little bit disformed.

969
00:58:06,599 --> 00:58:08,880
It all started coming back down now, so everything just

970
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:13,039
starts to recede, recede and go back to where it was. Yes,

971
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,480
at that point, what are the doctors saying.

972
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 2: Oh, well, let's go back to what the doctor said

973
00:58:19,519 --> 00:58:20,519
when I first came.

974
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: Back the third time, yeah, the final time.

975
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,039
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, we kind of skipped over that. You

976
00:58:26,079 --> 00:58:29,519
wanted to go to heaven. I'll take you down on

977
00:58:29,599 --> 00:58:32,360
the I died on the nineteenth of May. On the

978
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,280
twenty third of May is when I came back to

979
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:36,599
shock some doctors totally.

980
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:42,079
Speaker 1: So you're dead. I was dead till three for ninety days.

981
00:58:42,199 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 2: Of ninety three days, a little over three days, about

982
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,880
three and a half days. Yeah, sorry, okay, so they

983
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,400
still have you there, And every day they kept trying

984
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,639
to go to my wife and say, you know, we

985
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:54,519
really need to end the life support.

986
00:58:55,119 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: So your machine, your body is technically functioning, but not

987
00:58:59,559 --> 00:59:04,199
at you're bloating. Your head's this formed. There's no reason

988
00:59:04,199 --> 00:59:06,840
why you should be on life support. No, you should

989
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,920
have been pulled off days ago. Absolutely, because it's really

990
00:59:10,119 --> 00:59:11,719
it looks like, come on, nothing.

991
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 2: That's exactly correct. And they wanted to end it on

992
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:15,559
the nineteenth.

993
00:59:15,239 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 1: As a logical person would.

994
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:21,239
Speaker 2: But your wife was I'm glad she's not logical. That's hey,

995
00:59:21,239 --> 00:59:23,119
women are real logical, trust me, she's a lot. No,

996
00:59:23,239 --> 00:59:27,840
she's wonderful. But yes, that's exactly you're right for you. Yeah,

997
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:32,639
and all the if they turn machines off at any time. Uh,

998
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:36,000
my brain did not have the ability to tell her

999
00:59:36,039 --> 00:59:38,119
to do anything, because your brain is your control center

1000
00:59:38,119 --> 00:59:39,239
and it was dead.

1001
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: And that was already that even as your body was.

1002
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 2: Still functioning, that's correct, So equal didn't function. He couldn't

1003
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:46,400
tell them to do anything. So all I was was

1004
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:48,199
just pumping stuff in and just keep blowing it up,

1005
00:59:48,199 --> 00:59:49,800
and they keep talking. Everything's all you know.

1006
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 1: They're moving the lungs back and forth.

1007
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:53,119
Speaker 2: Y yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, pretty much.

1008
00:59:53,199 --> 00:59:54,199
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.

1009
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 2: Uh, And I had if they'd have shut it off,

1010
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,400
that was all over because my brain wouldn't have tell been.

1011
00:59:59,599 --> 01:00:02,039
The machine was telling my body what to do. Sure,

1012
01:00:02,119 --> 01:00:03,239
physical body.

1013
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 1: Was here, but the brain was gone.

1014
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:10,079
Speaker 2: The brain was gone, and the physical body was during

1015
01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:12,800
that period of time wasn't up the capacity because the

1016
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,239
heart's been destroyed, the liver is the kid. Everything has

1017
01:00:15,239 --> 01:00:17,480
been destroyed. So nothing's working like it's supposed to anyway.

1018
01:00:18,119 --> 01:00:20,639
But the machine's going, well, it's heart's pumping now and

1019
01:00:21,159 --> 01:00:23,480
we're putting oxygen in and that's all that they could see.

1020
01:00:24,559 --> 01:00:25,360
But there's no brain.

1021
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

1022
01:00:33,079 --> 01:00:34,360
And now back to the show.

1023
01:00:36,599 --> 01:00:42,559
Speaker 2: On the twenty third, they had almost had her convinced yes,

1024
01:00:42,639 --> 01:00:48,440
in life support, and she was in this room number seven,

1025
01:00:48,559 --> 01:00:53,440
lucky seven. Right, she was in there in the ice

1026
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:57,360
with the doctor. And this is kind of funny. This

1027
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:01,480
is the only name that we use in the book anywhere,

1028
01:01:01,639 --> 01:01:03,280
because they asked us not to use names of the

1029
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:08,039
doctors for obvious reasons hip violations and stuff. But we

1030
01:01:08,159 --> 01:01:12,039
use his name because it's funny. I got to have

1031
01:01:12,119 --> 01:01:16,360
humor in the situation. Uh, the doctor's in there and

1032
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:20,679
and my my wife is there and she has her

1033
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:25,639
two fingers in my hand like this this kind of way,

1034
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:29,480
just just touching me. And they just about had her

1035
01:01:29,519 --> 01:01:36,599
convinced to say okay, goodbye, and I come back into

1036
01:01:36,639 --> 01:01:40,000
my body and I'm going like I'm I'm going like,

1037
01:01:40,159 --> 01:01:42,800
oh no, no, no, no, I'm in here. I'm in here. People.

1038
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:47,039
I know it's going to happen because we talked about cremation, right, No, no, no,

1039
01:01:47,039 --> 01:01:52,639
I don't want to go through that too. And I

1040
01:01:52,679 --> 01:01:58,079
squeezed her fingers, well I know I'm in here, and

1041
01:01:58,159 --> 01:02:04,079
she she squeezed him. I squeezed him again. She went

1042
01:02:04,119 --> 01:02:05,960
back for a third time. She wanted me to squeezing me.

1043
01:02:06,039 --> 01:02:07,760
I didn't have it in me. I couldn't do it anymore.

1044
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:12,559
Keep in mind, at this point they have me protocol.

1045
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:17,239
They came me on paralyzing drugs, uh, everything else that

1046
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:21,079
they could put you so you don't have muscle tractions

1047
01:02:21,119 --> 01:02:23,280
or anything, just to pull anything out, you know.

1048
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 1: Kitchen sink.

1049
01:02:24,239 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh, she said, he just squeezed my fingers.

1050
01:02:28,039 --> 01:02:31,519
And the doctor says, no, he couldn't squeeze you. He

1051
01:02:31,679 --> 01:02:34,440
can't squeeze your fingers. It was a twitch or something.

1052
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,639
She says, no, he squeezed my fingers. My wife's a

1053
01:02:37,679 --> 01:02:38,800
little stubborn sometimes.

1054
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,559
Speaker 1: I'm I'm sensing that, Robert, I'm sensing that.

1055
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:44,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, you should bring her and ask her these questions.

1056
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:50,239
And she squeezed them. She says, no, I squeezed him.

1057
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:53,239
He squeezed me back. I squeezed him again, and he

1058
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:59,280
squeezed my finger twice. He's in there, the doctor, and

1059
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,639
later on we've talk to the doctors. He says, Aha,

1060
01:03:02,559 --> 01:03:05,360
I can finally convince her. He says, Okay, here's what

1061
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,559
I'm going to do, and I'm going to lower all

1062
01:03:08,119 --> 01:03:12,000
the drugs, everything down, and I'll come back in and

1063
01:03:12,039 --> 01:03:13,960
it'll take you know, an hour two hours for that.

1064
01:03:14,039 --> 01:03:17,639
Then you know, yeah, go away, he says, and I'll

1065
01:03:17,679 --> 01:03:21,559
show you. Uh, we we'll see, because at this point

1066
01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:24,360
he knows he's seeing the MRI in the nineteenth there's

1067
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:26,960
no brain. I'm braided that. And he knows that this

1068
01:03:27,039 --> 01:03:30,519
is the twenty third of May. He knows you can't

1069
01:03:30,519 --> 01:03:32,360
blame him. I mean, you know, he's going by what

1070
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:37,800
doctors do. Sure, so she he comes back, she's in there,

1071
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:42,159
and he says, okay, and he gets you know, these

1072
01:03:42,159 --> 01:03:45,280
little stools they have on wheels. He sits on that,

1073
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:48,119
you know, and he gets up, pulls up next to

1074
01:03:48,159 --> 01:03:50,800
me in the ICU room, and he gets up next

1075
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:52,480
to his ear. Now, I'm been trying not to blow

1076
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:54,039
your mic out, so I'm not going to do a screen.

1077
01:03:54,079 --> 01:03:54,599
Speaker 1: Appreciate it.

1078
01:03:54,679 --> 01:03:58,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, he he gets up next to my ears, and

1079
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:03,039
Carol's watching right us. He screams, at the top of

1080
01:04:03,079 --> 01:04:10,400
its lungs. My name is doctor Guda, like the cheese.

1081
01:04:12,559 --> 01:04:15,440
From then on he's known to this doctor Cheese to

1082
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,440
to my wife. And he goes, if you can hear me,

1083
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:23,559
raise your arms. Well not, I've never heard anything so

1084
01:04:23,679 --> 01:04:26,079
dumb in my whole life. It's actually kind of comical.

1085
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:29,760
Here's a doctor that knows you have no brain, knows

1086
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:34,079
you're dead, and tells you to raise your arms.

1087
01:04:34,639 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 1: Well, but he's doing it just to prove a point.

1088
01:04:36,639 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 2: Right, except this, I raise both arms.

1089
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 1: Stop it.

1090
01:04:42,519 --> 01:04:44,519
Speaker 2: That's what the doctor, well, he did say. He stop it,

1091
01:04:45,119 --> 01:04:47,920
both arms high as I could get him, and the

1092
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:51,199
doctor on that little cheese scoots back and he goes,

1093
01:04:51,199 --> 01:04:53,800
what the it's a few choice words, and he goes,

1094
01:04:56,039 --> 01:04:59,639
totally freak. I mean, as you will. It just chocking

1095
01:04:59,679 --> 01:05:02,079
the way minute. And then he goes it looks my wife.

1096
01:05:02,159 --> 01:05:05,280
My wife, of course she's excited. I guess he comes

1097
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:06,880
back up. You'd have to ask her what shit. I

1098
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,639
don't remember what she looked because I wasn't looking, but

1099
01:05:10,119 --> 01:05:15,880
he uh, he comes back again, and he goes, okay,

1100
01:05:17,719 --> 01:05:23,000
wiggle your feet, both of them. I wiggle both my feet.

1101
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 1: He goes, this is five to how many days you

1102
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:27,239
been dead? Three three and a half, three and a

1103
01:05:27,239 --> 01:05:30,639
half days brain dead? Yeah, braindy. Your head is this

1104
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:33,679
formed because of the gas that's been released in your mind,

1105
01:05:33,719 --> 01:05:37,679
in your brain. So it's not like maybe he's brain dead.

1106
01:05:37,719 --> 01:05:40,039
Speaker 2: No, he's dead graveyard dead.

1107
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 1: Graveyard dead. And now you're wiggling feet and raising arms.

1108
01:05:43,599 --> 01:05:46,000
So what happened to the doctor after you wiggled your feet?

1109
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:49,639
Speaker 2: He's still freaking. He comes back, he's this back again.

1110
01:05:49,679 --> 01:05:51,480
He looks and he goes, I don't know what's going on.

1111
01:05:51,679 --> 01:05:56,119
He comes back up and he goes screaming again. Why

1112
01:05:56,159 --> 01:05:59,639
is he screaming? I can hear you, guy, Okay, hear drum?

1113
01:06:00,119 --> 01:06:04,719
Come on, you trying to kill me? He goes. He goes,

1114
01:06:05,719 --> 01:06:06,400
look at me.

1115
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:08,599
Speaker 1: No, you did it.

1116
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:15,159
Speaker 2: I looked over at him, eyes open, eyes open. He blink.

1117
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:18,840
I blinked, blink faster. I blink faster. He backs up

1118
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:20,280
and he looks at carry said, I do not know

1119
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:22,199
what's going on, but I got to do another MRI.

1120
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:25,840
And Carol, she's excited.

1121
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:26,559
Speaker 1: As you should be.

1122
01:06:26,679 --> 01:06:28,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, he raised all the drugs back out because he

1123
01:06:28,719 --> 01:06:31,119
doesn't know at this point what's going on. So he

1124
01:06:31,599 --> 01:06:34,639
paralyzed me and what all, you know, all the crazy stuff,

1125
01:06:34,639 --> 01:06:40,880
and he goes like, I do not understand what's going on.

1126
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:44,360
I gotta do another MRI. Carol says, I wait. He

1127
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,960
goes no. He says, we're gonna do it tonight. He goes,

1128
01:06:47,639 --> 01:06:51,039
go home, get some rest. You know, there's nothing you

1129
01:06:51,039 --> 01:06:54,320
can do here right now. He goes, come back tomorrow.

1130
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:58,039
I'll have the results tomorrow. Of course, Carol, you know,

1131
01:06:58,599 --> 01:07:02,199
she she was there every day, all day, every day.

1132
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:06,800
She's I mean that lady. A trooper is not even

1133
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:13,119
the word for it. She is truly an angel in disguise.

1134
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:15,679
Speaker 1: So I've got one of those two.

1135
01:07:18,679 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 2: Don't let her go. Absolutely, So Carol goes home. Of

1136
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:26,519
course she's optimistic. But Carol's been in the medical field

1137
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:29,320
all of her life. She was a speech pathologist and therapy.

1138
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:30,440
She works in nursing homes.

1139
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:33,079
Speaker 1: And she she wasn't she wasn't ignorant to this.

1140
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 2: No, she knows. She'll tell you. She says she knew

1141
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:40,280
what she was facing because she knows how long it

1142
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:44,760
was without oxygen. She knows what brain damage does, and

1143
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:49,000
she didn't know. She said, oh, no, he conscious now,

1144
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:50,920
but is he going to be able to Breathe there's

1145
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:52,840
going to have to be on a ventilator for his

1146
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:55,079
rest of his life. She doesn't know what's going on

1147
01:07:55,119 --> 01:07:57,880
because of the damage to the brain, you know, and

1148
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:01,320
you know she she says, I don't want because we

1149
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:03,679
have in our will. We know, we don't want to

1150
01:08:03,679 --> 01:08:05,880
be on minilators. And she says she may have to

1151
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:08,559
make the decision to tell them to pull the life support.

1152
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:10,880
Uh you know, she I mean she was going through

1153
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:13,960
English but joy at the same time, Hope but English.

1154
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:15,679
She could explain it better than I.

1155
01:08:17,199 --> 01:08:19,319
Speaker 1: And they take you to the MRI.

1156
01:08:19,319 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 2: I he did the MRI that night. The next morning,

1157
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:28,319
Carol came in and she walked up to the to

1158
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:31,479
the nurses station and she says, did the MRIs get

1159
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:33,880
through come back? And she goes yes. She says, well,

1160
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:37,000
what did they say? And the nurse says, you know,

1161
01:08:37,079 --> 01:08:40,199
I can't tell you. First, I'm not a doctor, so

1162
01:08:40,279 --> 01:08:42,960
I can't read them. She says, also, I can't tell

1163
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:45,359
you that the doctor has to tell you. Of course,

1164
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:50,560
Carol's like and she says, Carol said, I think Carol,

1165
01:08:51,399 --> 01:08:55,319
Carol told me this. She says, I told her that, Uh, well,

1166
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:59,840
is it good or is it bad? And I believe

1167
01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:03,119
the nurse told her, well, it's not bad.

1168
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:04,159
Speaker 1: Uh.

1169
01:09:04,199 --> 01:09:06,560
Speaker 2: So Carol's got optimism again, She's got hope. But then

1170
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:10,800
she's still worried. Am I going to have to in

1171
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:12,960
the light? Oh, she's going through at ah.

1172
01:09:13,319 --> 01:09:16,279
Speaker 1: She was like this, I mean, the emotional rollercoaster is

1173
01:09:16,319 --> 01:09:18,800
insane because let's say your brain is back, doesn't mean

1174
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:21,199
your body is. No, I say, the miracle of the

1175
01:09:21,239 --> 01:09:23,279
brain is back, but how about if your heart's gone

1176
01:09:23,359 --> 01:09:26,600
or your lungs are not working properly? It is a thousand.

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01:09:26,199 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 2: Things right, And once again I knew because Jesus told me,

1178
01:09:30,079 --> 01:09:32,399
of course, But she doesn't know. She didn't know what

1179
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:34,720
to happen. She doesn't know any of this going on

1180
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:37,479
yet because I haven't talked to her about this yet.

1181
01:09:38,159 --> 01:09:41,359
She's totally Yeah, I was dead and then I'm alive,

1182
01:09:41,399 --> 01:09:43,600
and now he's no. The doctors don't know what's going on.

1183
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:46,279
Poor Carol's sitting here going like, what is going on

1184
01:09:46,359 --> 01:09:49,119
after the fact? Yeah, but she is dealing with non

1185
01:09:49,279 --> 01:09:53,479
known at that point. Sure, and h nurse told her

1186
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:55,239
it will be a couple out before the doctor comes back.

1187
01:09:55,279 --> 01:09:57,880
And girl goes, oh, so she waited, and she waiting

1188
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:01,279
and waiting. The doctor came back and the doctor says.

1189
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:05,520
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

1190
01:10:09,159 --> 01:10:10,399
and now back to the show.

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01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:16,880
Speaker 2: I got the results back, and Carol says, well, what

1192
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:23,720
are He goes there's nothing wrong. He's got a perfect brain.

1193
01:10:24,159 --> 01:10:31,560
There's no sign of anything anywhere. Sorry. And now Carol's

1194
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:38,359
like excited doctors. I don't understand what's going on. They're

1195
01:10:38,399 --> 01:10:45,640
just flabbergasted. And Carol now is going through more anguisht

1196
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:50,199
because she doesn't know how I got this brain back.

1197
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:52,520
She doesn't know what's going on with the rest of stuff.

1198
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:54,720
She knows you can't go down, what happens to your

1199
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:59,520
organs and your body and functioning, and she's afraid again

1200
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:02,640
that she may have to pull the life support. She

1201
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:05,920
doesn't know this poor girl was going through. People look

1202
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:08,119
at me and say, oh, you went through so much. No,

1203
01:11:09,079 --> 01:11:11,880
I was dead. I was all I did was die and.

1204
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 1: Get They had a nice goal.

1205
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:17,159
Speaker 2: Walk around rat NiFe with Jesus in heaven and learn.

1206
01:11:17,079 --> 01:11:19,720
Speaker 1: Hang out with some horses and yeah, yeah, you know.

1207
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:23,239
Speaker 2: I mean, how many people get to do that. And

1208
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:29,359
she's down here every day going through unbelievable, horrible, horrible stuff.

1209
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:33,359
And it was like twenty one days before Eve when

1210
01:11:33,399 --> 01:11:35,479
he would take me off the drugs and let me

1211
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:38,279
come back awake. I mean, so for twenty one days,

1212
01:11:38,319 --> 01:11:41,159
I'm still in there on the ventilators and everything doesn't.

1213
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:43,439
She doesn't know what's going on at this point. She

1214
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:45,560
doesn't know I got a new brain. She doesn't know

1215
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:47,279
what Jesus did. She didn't know I went to heaven.

1216
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:49,399
It was twenty twenty I think it was twenty one

1217
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:53,279
days that until I could open my eyes and talk

1218
01:11:53,359 --> 01:11:56,720
to her. And the sweetest words she ever said not

1219
01:11:56,960 --> 01:12:04,840
was I love you when we it was welcome back, baby,

1220
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:10,119
and I will never forget oh, in the sweetest, softest voice.

1221
01:12:10,239 --> 01:12:12,319
And I saw her face and it was just like

1222
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:16,520
her welcome back. And I'm going I can't even say

1223
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:17,760
it that, I'd have to get her to say it.

1224
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:21,399
I can't say it like her. It was unbelievable. But

1225
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:24,000
yet she still didn't know what was going on. Of course,

1226
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:26,000
now I got to tell her some things.

1227
01:12:26,239 --> 01:12:30,479
Speaker 1: But twenty one days before you woke up, they're doing tests. Oh,

1228
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:34,319
your body is basically rebuilding itself or it's already being.

1229
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:37,079
Speaker 2: No, it's being all rebuilding itself together. Yeah, that's my

1230
01:12:37,159 --> 01:12:40,760
new brain. Your brain is being it's restarting everything.

1231
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:46,560
Speaker 1: Everything, all that bloating starting to RecA. That doesn't happen. No,

1232
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:49,079
it doesn't, no, no, no, like when you have a

1233
01:12:49,159 --> 01:12:53,000
bloated body. Generally, and I'm not a doctor, but generally,

1234
01:12:53,039 --> 01:12:55,439
from what I understand, it doesn't go back to normal

1235
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:57,920
without repercussions of some sort.

1236
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:00,239
Speaker 2: I know a lot of doctors that don't know how

1237
01:13:00,279 --> 01:13:00,840
it happened to.

1238
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:03,800
Speaker 1: So what are the doctors? What are the what? What

1239
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:06,399
are the doctors? What does the hospital say? I mean,

1240
01:13:06,399 --> 01:13:08,960
I'm assuming that the word got out through the hospital.

1241
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:10,600
Everybody was like.

1242
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:14,159
Speaker 2: A miracle man, another miracle, miracle after miracle after miracle

1243
01:13:14,159 --> 01:13:18,800
here but number one, the doctors admit it. There is

1244
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:22,439
nothing that we did. There's no medical explanation for this.

1245
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:26,560
There's absolutely no way, there is no question a miracle.

1246
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:30,520
And they don't like it many met.

1247
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:35,920
Speaker 1: Of course, But as as someone said, they will not

1248
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:40,439
be able to deny to deny it, and they can't now.

1249
01:13:41,119 --> 01:13:44,399
Speaker 2: When I was in heaven, Jesus gave me a message

1250
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:50,520
to give to the doctors, and uh, I mean he's

1251
01:13:50,279 --> 01:13:56,279
he's not going to miss a chance. And uh, of

1252
01:13:56,359 --> 01:14:01,720
course I'm out of the hospital now. And uh, it

1253
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:04,319
was like thirty days. Thirty one days is when I

1254
01:14:04,399 --> 01:14:06,840
finally let me, They finally let me go. Oh and

1255
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:08,960
the track I had a big hole like this and

1256
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:11,319
I had to go and talk like this and everything

1257
01:14:11,359 --> 01:14:13,520
else because all that was all cut out when they

1258
01:14:14,279 --> 01:14:17,000
they said they're getting ready to take me let me

1259
01:14:17,039 --> 01:14:18,720
go home. And I thought I was going to go

1260
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:21,399
out and have the thing flap over it and everything else.

1261
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:24,479
And they said, well, we're going to they take this

1262
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:27,720
track out of here, and and you know you'll have

1263
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:30,319
this hole and you know, they put a flap on

1264
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:34,439
it and talk and you know, and you got to

1265
01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:36,640
make sure you keep it clean and every you know,

1266
01:14:37,239 --> 01:14:41,000
covered and everything. It's fine. So they took it out

1267
01:14:41,039 --> 01:14:42,880
that nine, about eighty eight thirty, and they were going

1268
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:46,039
to let me go the next the next next day. Well,

1269
01:14:46,199 --> 01:14:51,119
then they took it out the next day. The they

1270
01:14:51,199 --> 01:14:53,319
come in and the doc comes in to check it,

1271
01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:59,399
and he said, right, let's remove the band and said

1272
01:14:59,399 --> 01:15:04,399
they took the band. It's all off and removed everything

1273
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:08,960
and good old night. They loves, scooting back on their chair.

1274
01:15:09,119 --> 01:15:11,800
Excuse me back again, he goes. So he goes, when

1275
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:14,520
did when did they take this? I said, last nine

1276
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:18,119
about eight thirty. Is you're talking? Said, yeah, I'm talking.

1277
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:20,720
Speaker 1: He goes, that's not possible.

1278
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:23,279
Speaker 2: It's totally healed. That hole in my neck this baby.

1279
01:15:23,359 --> 01:15:25,239
Speaker 1: So can you show people in the audience like there

1280
01:15:25,279 --> 01:15:29,000
is there's there's nothing, there is no nothing, yeah, I

1281
01:15:29,039 --> 01:15:29,880
mean nothing.

1282
01:15:30,399 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 2: No, And that overnight, like in twelve thirteen hours, that

1283
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:38,000
haul with everything's.

1284
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:39,560
Speaker 1: Not having a scar. No, I don't even see his car.

1285
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:42,239
Speaker 2: No. Oh, I've been in front of the places talking

1286
01:15:42,239 --> 01:15:43,840
with the doctors and stuff and the and go look

1287
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:45,479
where And they kept looking at me and go, what

1288
01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:47,960
are you looking? You know, they were looking for his car.

1289
01:15:48,039 --> 01:15:49,920
There's no scar. There should be a big old round

1290
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:56,520
hole scar. No, there's nothing. It healed overnight. Just shoot. Look,

1291
01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:59,359
you couldn't get a scratch to heel overnight, of course,

1292
01:15:59,399 --> 01:16:02,239
but Jesus came. Yeah, of course, one miracle after another.

1293
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:04,640
He said, I'll make you as if nothing happened, and

1294
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:07,520
he did. And I obviously don't collect this to talk.

1295
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:10,920
I talked just as normal as talking can, as normal

1296
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:15,439
as normal could be. So I get out of the

1297
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:20,319
hospital and it's about two weeks. I knew I had

1298
01:16:20,359 --> 01:16:22,920
to go back and talk to the doctors really quickly.

1299
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:24,720
Speaker 1: When you were getting out of the hospital, you're one

1300
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:27,439
hundred percent at this point, Uh, you're walking.

1301
01:16:28,279 --> 01:16:30,439
Speaker 2: Oh no, it took a day. Yeah, I was still

1302
01:16:30,439 --> 01:16:34,439
walking good day. Yeah, yeah, yeah I was. I was walking.

1303
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:36,840
I wasn't running, but yeah, no, but your body was,

1304
01:16:37,039 --> 01:16:38,039
Oh yeah, my body was.

1305
01:16:38,359 --> 01:16:40,600
Speaker 1: You're how far away from where you are right now?

1306
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:41,880
Were you when you left?

1307
01:16:42,079 --> 01:16:42,159
Speaker 2: Like?

1308
01:16:42,359 --> 01:16:45,720
Speaker 1: Because you walk now your normal, you're healthy? Was it

1309
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:46,720
a few days after that.

1310
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:49,439
Speaker 2: Or maybe a couple of weeks because what we did

1311
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:51,039
was I had to build my muscle strength up and

1312
01:16:51,039 --> 01:16:53,560
sure I was walking to normal and stuff.

1313
01:16:53,239 --> 01:16:54,319
Speaker 1: But you needed some rehab.

1314
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:58,039
Speaker 2: Yeah. I used a walker for about a day and

1315
01:16:58,079 --> 01:17:01,159
got rid of that. Uh, just be steady and stuff.

1316
01:17:01,159 --> 01:17:04,119
But we would take Carol would take me in the

1317
01:17:04,119 --> 01:17:08,479
walk and we would go to like the Academy or

1318
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:11,479
Walmart and we'd walk through the big aisles with that

1319
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:13,199
and we'd walk through there to build my strength up

1320
01:17:13,199 --> 01:17:14,199
because it's air conditioned.

1321
01:17:14,359 --> 01:17:17,119
Speaker 1: Of course, as I was in Texas. I also live

1322
01:17:17,159 --> 01:17:17,560
in Texas.

1323
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:20,600
Speaker 2: So we would go to the here one day and

1324
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:22,239
we go to another one the next day. The otherwise

1325
01:17:22,279 --> 01:17:23,840
I think this old guy is walking through it and

1326
01:17:24,079 --> 01:17:26,039
keep walking the aisles and he might be up to something,

1327
01:17:26,079 --> 01:17:27,840
you know, so.

1328
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:29,279
Speaker 1: Well, whatever he's up to, he's not going to move

1329
01:17:29,319 --> 01:17:30,319
very fast out of there.

1330
01:17:30,359 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, well that wasn't the case anymore, because yeah, no,

1331
01:17:33,039 --> 01:17:38,119
and then I came I recovered very very quickly. And

1332
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:42,119
between now and then and now, I'll nothing. I was playing.

1333
01:17:42,239 --> 01:17:43,960
I was playing the golf a month and a half later.

1334
01:17:44,039 --> 01:17:46,680
Speaker 1: And so so you're and just everybody knows. This happened

1335
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:47,720
about a year and change.

1336
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:51,600
Speaker 2: Ago, one year, four months. It was May twenty third,

1337
01:17:52,159 --> 01:17:56,560
May nineteenth, last year, twenty twenty four. I died May

1338
01:17:56,600 --> 01:18:00,439
twenty third, twenty twenty four. I came back. This is now,

1339
01:18:01,079 --> 01:18:03,279
It's not that long. Yeah, I was. I was already

1340
01:18:03,279 --> 01:18:05,520
going to talk to people a month after I was out.

1341
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:07,520
Speaker 1: So what did your wife say when you when you

1342
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:11,760
told her this elaborate story of the other side.

1343
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:15,560
Speaker 2: She was very accepting of it. She under she understood.

1344
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:17,800
I mean, it's just like, how can you deny it?

1345
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:23,119
Speaker 1: How about the family, Well, this is a this is

1346
01:18:23,119 --> 01:18:23,600
a big.

1347
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:25,279
Speaker 2: A lot of friends and a lot of family. I mean,

1348
01:18:25,319 --> 01:18:27,800
they they they're all in astoundman.

1349
01:18:28,039 --> 01:18:30,880
Speaker 1: It's been built a swallow. But there's proof, that's the

1350
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:31,880
whole thing. There's proof.

1351
01:18:32,039 --> 01:18:34,640
Speaker 2: It's like in the book, we put copies of some

1352
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:36,600
of the medical records in there, so they know, yes,

1353
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:38,399
this guy did flop on he was dead.

1354
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:39,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is all documented.

1355
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:42,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, this isn't like I died at home and said

1356
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:45,680
I was dead or in an ambulance and they had

1357
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:47,479
a lot of witnesses. There's a lot of proof, a

1358
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:48,000
lot of proof.

1359
01:18:48,119 --> 01:18:49,119
Speaker 1: I mean the blood type of.

1360
01:18:49,079 --> 01:18:53,760
Speaker 2: Loanst we got MRIs. I mean, come on, yeah, I

1361
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:56,600
mean the doctors didn't admit it was a miracle and

1362
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:59,439
that there's nothing they could do because they couldn't do anything.

1363
01:19:00,159 --> 01:19:02,359
That's just yeah, it was an end for them. That

1364
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:05,720
was Yeah, they were all all of them wanted to do.

1365
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:07,520
They got to picture me up on a refrigerator, was

1366
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:09,479
the one you want to one that that just doesn't happen.

1367
01:19:10,279 --> 01:19:13,199
But Carol and I knew I had to go back.

1368
01:19:13,239 --> 01:19:14,600
I said, I got a message I got to give

1369
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:17,079
to the doctors. Well, if you ever tried to get

1370
01:19:17,119 --> 01:19:20,720
twenty five doctors and nurses together at one time, and

1371
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:23,920
that will listen to you that are in the ICU,

1372
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:24,960
forget it.

1373
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:28,000
Speaker 1: Yeah good luck. Yeah, well that happened for you.

1374
01:19:28,039 --> 01:19:29,039
Speaker 2: That's what we figured too.

1375
01:19:29,119 --> 01:19:29,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1376
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:31,640
Speaker 2: Well, I said, well, we we're gonna do is We're

1377
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:33,279
going to get a couple of big bouquets and we're

1378
01:19:33,279 --> 01:19:35,359
going to take it one up to the nursing staff

1379
01:19:35,399 --> 01:19:37,359
over here, and we're going to take another one into

1380
01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:40,239
the ICU. Well, you're not supposed to bring flowers into

1381
01:19:40,239 --> 01:19:43,640
the ICU, nothing in the ICU. Of course, we did anyway,

1382
01:19:45,079 --> 01:19:49,680
and we took a walker with wheels that I had

1383
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:52,119
and we weren't using, but we put the flowers because

1384
01:19:52,119 --> 01:19:57,520
it's a huge bouquet. And we pushed that in because

1385
01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:00,760
it was too too big, too massive. Yeah, and we

1386
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:04,600
had two of them, so we delivered one and we

1387
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:06,720
we take the other one. We go up to the

1388
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:12,039
ICU and there automatical doors open, automatically.

1389
01:20:12,399 --> 01:20:14,920
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor

1390
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:19,800
and now back to the show.

1391
01:20:22,199 --> 01:20:24,119
Speaker 2: So we were going to leave these and made it a

1392
01:20:24,159 --> 01:20:28,039
really nice letter to them, thanking them and everything, you know,

1393
01:20:29,079 --> 01:20:35,319
And the doors opened and walks this old guy, me

1394
01:20:36,199 --> 01:20:39,520
and Carol, and we walked in and right in front

1395
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:42,399
of the nursing station. They had no idea where coming.

1396
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:45,079
We just picked the day it random to go, when

1397
01:20:45,119 --> 01:20:48,319
the flowers got ready, actually, and right in front of

1398
01:20:48,319 --> 01:20:53,600
the nursing station and the ICU, we're twenty five doctors

1399
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:58,239
and nurses, all standing in a circle waiting for you. No, no,

1400
01:20:58,359 --> 01:21:03,039
they weren't waiting it seems like. Yeah, but they had

1401
01:21:03,319 --> 01:21:06,000
a Joint Commission inspection that day, so the Joint Commission

1402
01:21:06,039 --> 01:21:09,000
inspector was there, and they were all there, gathered, just

1403
01:21:09,039 --> 01:21:11,239
getting ready to go on their rounds, all through the

1404
01:21:11,239 --> 01:21:15,760
whole place, of course. But I know why they were

1405
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:19,239
really there, of course. I mean, what were the odds.

1406
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:22,319
There's no odds you could even figure that out, number one.

1407
01:21:22,439 --> 01:21:26,119
And I walked in and they didn't even recognize me,

1408
01:21:27,039 --> 01:21:30,439
of course. And Carol went over here, and a bunch

1409
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:33,359
of nurses over here, and she's over there talking to them,

1410
01:21:33,359 --> 01:21:36,760
and of course, and they were they were crying and said,

1411
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:41,560
oh no, oh no, he's not back, and she go, yeah,

1412
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:46,159
he's right here. What So I'm standing in front of

1413
01:21:46,199 --> 01:21:49,239
the doctors and everybody, and we put the flowers on

1414
01:21:49,279 --> 01:21:51,039
the things, and said, I stood in front of them

1415
01:21:51,079 --> 01:21:53,079
there looking at me, like trying to figure out who

1416
01:21:53,159 --> 01:21:55,720
is this guy that's bringing flowers in here, and why

1417
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:58,159
is he looking at us? And I says, you know,

1418
01:21:59,319 --> 01:22:01,600
I said, I know that none of you recognized me,

1419
01:22:02,359 --> 01:22:05,840
and they're looking at me because last time they saw him,

1420
01:22:06,239 --> 01:22:08,800
our only time they saw me was tubes everywhere and

1421
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:13,199
blowing up ahead, and a gown and hadn't shaved in

1422
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:17,760
two or three weeks. Oh, I was a mess. And

1423
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:19,760
I says, I was a gentleman that was in room

1424
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:25,319
number seven right over there. On May nineteenth, I died

1425
01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:29,560
and they looked and their eyes got big white, I says,

1426
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:31,520
and I'm the one that I'm twenty third of me

1427
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:37,560
came back alive, and they went like, I said, Now,

1428
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:41,479
what you all don't know? And I'm standing there now

1429
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:44,119
Number one, I'm standing there talking to him like we're talking.

1430
01:22:44,239 --> 01:22:45,239
Speaker 1: That's still trying to process.

1431
01:22:45,319 --> 01:22:48,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's still how was just getting away? No, no,

1432
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:50,079
And you could see it going on in the wheels.

1433
01:22:50,279 --> 01:22:52,119
I says, what you don't know? I said. When I died,

1434
01:22:52,159 --> 01:22:55,319
I went to heaven and I met Jesus and I

1435
01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:58,800
was there and he gave me a message. In addition

1436
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:01,279
to a lot of other things, he gave me a

1437
01:23:01,319 --> 01:23:04,640
message to give to each of you, and I'm here

1438
01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:12,960
to deliver it to you personally, and I did when

1439
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:14,840
I got through there. Want a dry eye anywhere?

1440
01:23:15,279 --> 01:23:17,039
Speaker 1: Can you share the message? Or was it private for them?

1441
01:23:17,159 --> 01:23:21,439
Speaker 2: That was for them? Okay? Some of it was that

1442
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:26,880
Jesus wanted them to know that he uses their hands

1443
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:31,159
and their abilities to help perform his miracles. He says,

1444
01:23:31,199 --> 01:23:34,560
but you also have to understand that there's sometimes that

1445
01:23:35,159 --> 01:23:37,399
it's just not going to happen. It's not their time

1446
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:39,960
to be there, and they are going to come home,

1447
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:42,479
and they do pass. When they do, it's not through

1448
01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:46,239
anything that you did. It was just time and you can't. Yeah,

1449
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:51,920
and he said, but you will continue in doing his

1450
01:23:52,039 --> 01:23:56,840
will and your abilities. He uses that and you could

1451
01:23:56,880 --> 01:24:00,920
see that just like wave of yeah, along with some

1452
01:24:01,039 --> 01:24:06,840
other things. And uh uh, they were just like flabbering us.

1453
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:08,520
And then we walked through. And then of course now

1454
01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:17,319
physical therapists physical not physical people help you breathing. I

1455
01:24:17,359 --> 01:24:19,399
don't even know what to call it. I'm not a doctor.

1456
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:23,760
H chaplains and everybody else, and they were going like

1457
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:28,239
even a chaplain, we were here to give last rights,

1458
01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:32,439
you know, I mean, they just have never seen anything

1459
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:37,439
like this. And of course I've recognized and everybody that

1460
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:40,880
was in the ICU. I recognized the guy that was

1461
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:43,600
giving me the CPR who broke my ribs, and I said, Hollie, oh,

1462
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:45,680
I shouldn't use his name, I said, you do, the

1463
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:47,159
one who broke my ribs? And he goes, how do

1464
01:24:47,239 --> 01:24:50,439
you know that? I said, because because they don't put

1465
01:24:50,479 --> 01:24:52,760
any of that. They don't want you to know.

1466
01:24:53,239 --> 01:24:54,560
Speaker 1: Of course, they.

1467
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:56,119
Speaker 2: Don't want you to even know who was in there.

1468
01:24:56,479 --> 01:25:01,640
Of course, and h I explained to him, and it

1469
01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:05,079
was just like they were just flabbergasted. But heaven is

1470
01:25:05,159 --> 01:25:06,319
just so phenomenal.

1471
01:25:06,319 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 1: So Robert, as you've come back, now, your family, your friends,

1472
01:25:12,199 --> 01:25:14,000
this is a big pill to swallow, but there is

1473
01:25:14,039 --> 01:25:17,159
a lot of proof behind it. How has it been

1474
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:22,039
kind of acclimating back now with all of this knowledge,

1475
01:25:22,079 --> 01:25:25,600
with all of this experience, walking the earth has to

1476
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:28,800
be a bit different now it's a slight bit. How

1477
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:31,439
have you been able to acclimate to that? And how

1478
01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:35,279
have people around you acclimated to the new Robert? Because

1479
01:25:35,319 --> 01:25:37,000
this is not the Robert that left No.

1480
01:25:40,279 --> 01:25:43,279
Speaker 2: Number One. I guess I don't really think about or

1481
01:25:43,279 --> 01:25:48,039
worry about what other people are thinking anymore. It took

1482
01:25:48,079 --> 01:25:52,279
them a minute, as it were, to accept because they

1483
01:25:52,279 --> 01:25:55,279
were all quite candy on my brothers. They were all

1484
01:25:55,359 --> 01:25:58,479
prepared to bury me. I mean, they knew what happened

1485
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:01,239
because they were all fore you know, and they were like, well.

1486
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:03,079
Speaker 1: Your brothers, what did your brothers?

1487
01:26:03,359 --> 01:26:03,880
Speaker 2: What are the things?

1488
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:06,520
Speaker 1: Oh, they know you for the longest.

1489
01:26:06,159 --> 01:26:08,760
Speaker 2: So yeah, well after after, like I said, it took

1490
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:12,119
him a minute, but then they realized that I don't

1491
01:26:12,159 --> 01:26:14,720
even talk the same way. I am not and the

1492
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:17,960
people that we know that around us, that knew me before,

1493
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:22,119
you're not the same person. I said, No, I'm not,

1494
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:26,560
and it's truly I'm not before. I hate to say

1495
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:32,720
this as a very obstinate, arrogant, self serving individual. I

1496
01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:34,840
don't even know how I liked me. I don't know how.

1497
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:38,039
My wife put it in an Angelah, Yeah that's true.

1498
01:26:38,119 --> 01:26:39,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've established that.

1499
01:26:39,159 --> 01:26:42,000
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I mean when I look back on it now,

1500
01:26:42,039 --> 01:26:43,840
I know what it was like, and I'm going like, wow,

1501
01:26:44,319 --> 01:26:45,000
you should.

1502
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:47,560
Speaker 1: Watch a movie. This is a movie that might help,

1503
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:50,520
like kind of fill you in. It's an older movie

1504
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:54,720
from the nineties called Regarding Henry with Harrison Ford and

1505
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:57,199
Annette Benning, where he was a kind of an a

1506
01:26:57,279 --> 01:26:58,840
whole attorney.

1507
01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:00,520
Speaker 2: That's a good word. I didn't want to use that.

1508
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:05,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, attorney. And then he had an accident and

1509
01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:07,439
he had some sort of amnesia, and when he came

1510
01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:10,479
back he was kind, and he was a very powerful

1511
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:13,119
doctor and a very you know, he had a family,

1512
01:27:13,159 --> 01:27:15,279
but they all kind of feared him and they thought

1513
01:27:15,319 --> 01:27:16,800
he was an a hole and all of this stuff.

1514
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:19,960
But when he comes back, he comes back kind, and

1515
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:22,640
it's everybody around them like, how do they deal with

1516
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:25,920
this new version of this person. It's a beautiful movie.

1517
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:26,920
I think you would enjoy it.

1518
01:27:27,239 --> 01:27:29,800
Speaker 2: That's that's pretty much. Well. I was gonna it's kind

1519
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:32,960
of like that, right, I have to see that. But yeah,

1520
01:27:33,159 --> 01:27:35,039
it's like, you know, even to people, and we've talked

1521
01:27:35,039 --> 01:27:37,319
to people and I've gone back and I said, you know,

1522
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:39,279
I don't even know how you He said, well, you know,

1523
01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:41,359
you were you, you know, and we just you know,

1524
01:27:41,399 --> 01:27:44,359
you were a bit of a And I said, yeah,

1525
01:27:44,399 --> 01:27:48,000
I know. But even they have said, you're knowing nothing

1526
01:27:48,119 --> 01:27:52,199
like that person, and I'm not. I was very very forceful.

1527
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:57,439
I was competitive. I had to beat you at anything

1528
01:27:57,479 --> 01:27:59,600
we played. I don't care it was golf, it was

1529
01:28:00,079 --> 01:28:03,039
whether it was monopoly or car I didn't care. I

1530
01:28:03,079 --> 01:28:09,239
had to not just beat you, but just dominate demoralize you. Wow,

1531
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:11,720
I mean it was you were an a. I was

1532
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:16,840
was a That's not saying that proudly I was. I

1533
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:18,199
was not somebody that you.

1534
01:28:18,159 --> 01:28:20,319
Speaker 1: Wanted to be friends with or even around.

1535
01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:22,239
Speaker 2: No, I was. I had acquaintances.

1536
01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:23,439
Speaker 1: You didn't have friends.

1537
01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:27,039
Speaker 2: I had. I had friends, but not like you know, Oh,

1538
01:28:27,359 --> 01:28:32,000
this is just there was there was. I was an ahole.

1539
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:35,199
That's a really good way to put it. Yeah, but

1540
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:38,319
kind not a chance.

1541
01:28:38,199 --> 01:28:41,399
Speaker 1: So all of So that's another thing that really must

1542
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:43,720
have been a shock to the system for the people

1543
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:46,760
that knew you, is that this person is not the

1544
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:51,880
same person. This is a much kinder, gentler, loving individual.

1545
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:54,119
Where the other guy was an a hole. I got

1546
01:28:54,159 --> 01:28:57,560
him like even. I mean, I'm assuming your wife loved you, obviously,

1547
01:28:58,359 --> 01:29:01,520
I guess. I mean obviously she loved you. But this

1548
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:05,079
is a different version of Robert for her as well.

1549
01:29:05,239 --> 01:29:06,199
Speaker 2: It absolutely is.

1550
01:29:06,359 --> 01:29:07,800
Speaker 1: I'm assuming she likes this new version.

1551
01:29:08,159 --> 01:29:12,319
Speaker 2: I think she does. Yeah, I hope she does, because

1552
01:29:12,319 --> 01:29:16,239
I'm not going back to the other one. Yeah, it's

1553
01:29:16,399 --> 01:29:18,000
it's I like this version.

1554
01:29:18,520 --> 01:29:21,439
Speaker 1: I do too, Robert. Oh, I haven't met the other one.

1555
01:29:21,439 --> 01:29:22,159
I don't want to meet the.

1556
01:29:22,159 --> 01:29:25,119
Speaker 2: Other you know, you don't. And that's something that nobody

1557
01:29:25,159 --> 01:29:28,039
ever would tell me, ever told me before. Never, I

1558
01:29:28,079 --> 01:29:31,880
never felt kind and gentle, compassionate, competitive wise, I don't

1559
01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:34,520
even care anymore. I could play golf and I don't

1560
01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:36,000
even have to keep score. I don't care. I'm just

1561
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:39,880
gonna play have fun. Yeah, I started enjoying things that

1562
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:42,199
I never got that really enjoyed before. It was I

1563
01:29:42,239 --> 01:29:44,880
thought I was, but I wasn't because I wasn't filled

1564
01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:49,960
with love. I was filled with dominate. I'm no.

1565
01:29:51,399 --> 01:29:53,159
Speaker 1: So you don't have a fear of death anymore?

1566
01:29:53,359 --> 01:29:58,399
Speaker 2: Absolutely none, none, none, whatever. I know that I know that,

1567
01:29:58,479 --> 01:30:00,760
I know that I know where I'm going, and I

1568
01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:03,000
know what's waiting.

1569
01:30:03,279 --> 01:30:05,800
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

1570
01:30:09,439 --> 01:30:10,680
and now back to the show.

1571
01:30:13,399 --> 01:30:17,039
Speaker 2: And I know that he's going to use me until

1572
01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:20,319
it's time to go. It's time to go, And I

1573
01:30:20,359 --> 01:30:22,159
could live another one hundred years. I tell people I'm

1574
01:30:22,199 --> 01:30:26,520
either seventy six or I'm one and a half.

1575
01:30:29,399 --> 01:30:33,600
Speaker 1: Well, you've been reborn essentially literally literally reborn, rebuilt from

1576
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:35,520
the scratch, but you just happen to have seventy six

1577
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:38,199
years of memories in your experience.

1578
01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:43,479
Speaker 2: Yes, and I have the ability to understand truly what

1579
01:30:45,119 --> 01:30:47,520
is miant when he says he comes to dwelling you

1580
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:50,960
and we let him. I understand what it means to

1581
01:30:51,279 --> 01:30:54,640
love and to do everything out of love. I understand

1582
01:30:54,680 --> 01:30:57,800
that at a deep level, more than I would ever

1583
01:30:58,199 --> 01:31:00,359
ever deem even possible for me to know.

1584
01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:04,439
Speaker 1: So how do you navigate this world? I've asked this

1585
01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:07,159
for other near death experiences, because once you understand what's

1586
01:31:07,159 --> 01:31:11,880
waiting for you, this world is very different. Yes, it is,

1587
01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:15,319
you know, dealing with people, dealing with situations, dealing with

1588
01:31:15,479 --> 01:31:18,920
just life. You know, taxes and this or that or

1589
01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:22,760
whatever it is. It must seem trite to you almost

1590
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:25,720
to deal with this kind of stuff knowing where you've been.

1591
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:28,520
I mean, you've hung out with Jesus in heaven. You know,

1592
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:31,439
you're walking around up there, and you understand things at

1593
01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:33,840
a much deeper level than you did before. How do

1594
01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:37,359
you kind of just navigate life now? I love to

1595
01:31:37,399 --> 01:31:37,880
hear it.

1596
01:31:38,319 --> 01:31:43,000
Speaker 2: It's it's easy. Before it was difficult because we let

1597
01:31:43,039 --> 01:31:45,880
things stress us out. I don't get stressed out about anything.

1598
01:31:46,159 --> 01:31:49,560
I don't have any world. I don't have anything. Everything

1599
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:53,199
pails in comarison, that's true. I mean I don't. I

1600
01:31:53,239 --> 01:31:56,560
don't worry about things. I don't need to do that.

1601
01:31:56,920 --> 01:32:00,520
I I can't understand why you ever. But he's not

1602
01:32:00,640 --> 01:32:05,159
happy all the time. You know. My wife says, I says, okay.

1603
01:32:05,319 --> 01:32:06,840
She didn't smile, and she says, I don't need to

1604
01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:09,520
be happy all the time. I said, well, yeah you do.

1605
01:32:11,399 --> 01:32:15,560
I'm appreciative of everything. You see. Before I would look

1606
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:18,479
at taxes and go and you're right, or i'd look

1607
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:20,520
at having to do some tasks.

1608
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:23,119
Speaker 1: No taxes in heaven, right, no tax Okay, good, thank you.

1609
01:32:23,199 --> 01:32:23,720
Just want to make sure.

1610
01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:26,319
Speaker 2: Okay, Now I look at it, and I know it's

1611
01:32:26,319 --> 01:32:28,439
a blessing now to get to do taxes. It's a

1612
01:32:28,439 --> 01:32:30,960
blessing that I have to pay tax It's a blessing

1613
01:32:31,439 --> 01:32:34,600
that I have the need to fill out that I

1614
01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:37,079
owe taxes. And it's okay because you give it Caesar,

1615
01:32:37,159 --> 01:32:38,880
what's do caeeson? That's all right. We'll give it to

1616
01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:42,079
them because that helps us. I you know, and it happens,

1617
01:32:42,119 --> 01:32:44,039
it's going to be. It's a natural thing. Why get

1618
01:32:44,079 --> 01:32:45,720
worried about don't need to worry about it.

1619
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:47,720
Speaker 1: You're just happy to You're just happy to be playing

1620
01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:48,039
the game.

1621
01:32:48,159 --> 01:32:51,600
Speaker 2: Essentially, I'm happy for this glass of water. I haven't

1622
01:32:51,680 --> 01:32:53,199
used it yet. In fact, I better take a drink

1623
01:32:54,159 --> 01:32:59,520
I'll follow you, but that I walk around thanking God

1624
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:02,319
every day for everything that I do. I drive down

1625
01:33:02,319 --> 01:33:04,680
your just thank you for not letting me catch that

1626
01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:06,800
light red, thank you for letting me walk through it.

1627
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:10,600
I'm thankful for a walk everything because everything comes from Him.

1628
01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:14,279
And if we do that, if we truly understand that,

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01:33:15,199 --> 01:33:17,359
we don't have any work to do. See, And that's

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the thing, and this has to do with faith. One

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of the things that Jesus wants us to understand is

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this that when we accept him, when we do understand

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and we believe in him, that one thing to do

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to believe in the one he sent that was it.

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Now The ironic thing that Jesus shared with me is this,

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he says. That's all there is. I made this simple,

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he says. I said, all those are burden and weary

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and heavy laden, come to me, Come upon me, and

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I will give you rest. Take my yoke. I will

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give you rest. I'm going to put you to work.

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Believing in Him gives you that rest because he dwells

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in you. And then everything is done out of love

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and understanding that love equates to that. And if it's

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not being done out of that, then you're trying to

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do things out of the world. Anything not out of

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love is contrary to love, and that's of the world

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and satan. So you can separate the two real easy.

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But back to faith, he says, believe in the one

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that God has sent. That's God's works. All the works

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01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:34,600
he has you do, he says, and that is through faith,

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and that not of your own, it's of his. So

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01:34:38,640 --> 01:34:41,880
he gives you the faith because you can't do anything.

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No works will get you into heaven. Makes no difference.

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But here's the ironic thing. The only works that God

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will require of you are before you become a Christian

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01:34:56,680 --> 01:35:00,479
and believe in Him, before you're saved, because it takes

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those works before you're saved to believe in him. You

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have to do that here through the faith that He

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gave you. But those works are done without believing in Him.

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It takes those works. And then once you do that believe,

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then he says, everything else is not work. You can

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still go help the poor, help the needy, do this,

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01:35:24,920 --> 01:35:27,560
do that, do good things, but you're not doing it

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01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:30,880
out of guilt or obligation or out of trying to

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01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:32,960
get your way into heaven. There's no works that can

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01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:35,640
get you into heaven. That isn't the way it works.

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You have to believe. And that's available to anybody anywhere, anytime.

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Speaker 1: So Robert, where can people find out more about their

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01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:47,119
book and the works that you're doing right now?

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Speaker 2: Sure, you can go to forty four Hours in heavenministries

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01:35:51,439 --> 01:35:56,119
dot org. Hopefully you put it on there later for

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01:35:56,159 --> 01:35:58,399
them to find of course. Yeah, so you go to

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01:35:58,560 --> 01:36:01,720
forty four Hours in Heaven Ministries org and the books

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01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:04,199
on there for sale is in paperback?

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01:36:04,319 --> 01:36:05,960
Speaker 1: Is it an Amazon or just said no.

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Speaker 2: It's not an Amazon. We're totally self published because we

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01:36:09,039 --> 01:36:11,039
use the money that from that goes into the ministry.

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01:36:11,079 --> 01:36:12,960
We're a five oh one C three, so all the

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01:36:12,960 --> 01:36:15,439
money goes to them. I don't take the money goes

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01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:17,319
there and help the further the ministry that we can

1681
01:36:17,319 --> 01:36:21,920
go around and talk and spread his word. That's it

1682
01:36:21,960 --> 01:36:26,000
goes in there. We have the paperback, we have it

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01:36:26,039 --> 01:36:30,439
in audiobook, we have it in ebook, we have it

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01:36:30,479 --> 01:36:34,359
on a set of four CDs. Uh and it just

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01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:38,880
this is has some questions in the back. We tell

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01:36:38,920 --> 01:36:42,239
everybody that on the website there's a place for comments

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01:36:42,239 --> 01:36:45,560
and questions. You can ask whatever question you want, and

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01:36:45,640 --> 01:36:47,479
we'll get those answered. We don't get back as fast

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01:36:47,479 --> 01:36:51,399
as some people like, but we do try. So what

1690
01:36:51,439 --> 01:36:53,399
we do now too is we also do podcasts where

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01:36:53,399 --> 01:36:56,680
I'll take the questions and we'll answer those questions on

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01:36:56,720 --> 01:37:00,000
a podcast and we play those so that people can

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01:37:00,039 --> 01:37:03,039
not only from their question getting answered, but other people's questions.

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01:37:03,159 --> 01:37:05,720
But we literally have thousands, so it's trying to get

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01:37:05,720 --> 01:37:09,720
those done. Some that are more personal we don't put

1696
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:12,319
on there, and those I kind of answer right away,

1697
01:37:12,680 --> 01:37:17,000
but through emails and so on, but they can get

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01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:19,600
it on the website. We also have an app coming

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out that's called forty four Hours in Heaven. It'll be

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01:37:23,319 --> 01:37:26,399
on your iPhone and your Android phone. You go to

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01:37:26,439 --> 01:37:29,119
the app stores and you'll be able to go to

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01:37:29,199 --> 01:37:31,680
forty four hours and have an app, and on that

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01:37:32,119 --> 01:37:35,720
we'll have an audiobook that they can listen to for

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01:37:35,800 --> 01:37:42,239
free at that point, and we also have podcasts that

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01:37:42,279 --> 01:37:46,039
will be on there. And we're doing Christian music. One

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01:37:46,079 --> 01:37:50,560
of the other miracles that he gave me is Jesus

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01:37:50,600 --> 01:37:55,479
wants told me that prayer through song and music is

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01:37:55,520 --> 01:37:59,439
one of the purest forms of prayer that you can

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01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:04,760
have because the music gets into your soul and your

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01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:06,960
heart and emits it and you hum these tunes and

1711
01:38:06,960 --> 01:38:11,640
stuff like that. That's just the way it is he gave.

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01:38:12,279 --> 01:38:18,600
Prior to this happening, I didn't have an idea what

1713
01:38:18,920 --> 01:38:21,439
a chorus was, a note was. I used to tease

1714
01:38:21,479 --> 01:38:23,960
people if I sang in church, they'd ask me to leave,

1715
01:38:24,760 --> 01:38:26,840
and they probably would have. I didn't know a thing

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01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:33,399
about music nothing. He gave me the ability to write

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01:38:33,439 --> 01:38:36,039
songs that he gives me the words, they're all inspired

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01:38:36,079 --> 01:38:39,039
by him, except for some country ones that we've done

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01:38:39,079 --> 01:38:43,640
as well, but you gotta have some fun. But the

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01:38:43,680 --> 01:38:48,279
ability to write the songs, arrange the songs, write the

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01:38:48,359 --> 01:38:53,359
music for the songs, compose it, direct it, produce it,

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01:38:53,399 --> 01:38:58,039
from here to there, the complete everything. Robert, it has.

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01:38:58,000 --> 01:39:01,199
Speaker 1: Been a pleasure having you on the show. And this

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01:39:01,279 --> 01:39:03,760
is an amazing story and I hope it does reach

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01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:07,199
a lot of people out there and inspires them to

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01:39:07,239 --> 01:39:11,079
have a little faith in the other side and everything

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01:39:11,079 --> 01:39:13,880
that we're doing here. I appreciate you and everything you're

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01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:15,960
doing to help awaken this planet. So thank you for

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01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:16,359
being here.

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Speaker 2: Man. It was truly my honor, my blessing to be here,

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01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:23,039
and I Thank you. You're a fabulous host. I mean

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01:39:23,079 --> 01:39:25,000
you can ask questions and get me to get answers.

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Speaker 1: Robert, it has been a pleasure, my friend.

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01:39:27,079 --> 01:39:28,439
Speaker 2: Thank you again, thank you.

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01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:31,960
Speaker 1: I'd like to thank Robert so much for coming on

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01:39:31,960 --> 01:39:33,600
the show and sharing his story with all of us.

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01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:35,399
If you want to get links to anything we spoke

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01:39:35,399 --> 01:39:37,560
about in this episode, head over to the show notes

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01:39:37,640 --> 01:39:41,399
at next levelsoul dot com forward slash six three four.

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01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:42,039
Speaker 2: Now.

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01:39:42,039 --> 01:39:45,520
Speaker 1: If this conversation stirred something in you, there's more waiting.

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01:39:45,920 --> 01:39:49,359
You can listen to this episode completely commercial free on

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01:39:49,479 --> 01:39:53,760
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1744
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:57,960
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01:39:57,960 --> 01:40:04,039
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01:40:04,079 --> 01:40:08,279
your awakening at next levelsoul dot tv. Thank you so

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01:40:08,359 --> 01:40:11,680
much for listening. As I always say, trust the journey.

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It's there to teach you. I'll see you next time.