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of this show, its host, or any of the companies
they represent. Now today on the show, I welcome one
of the most profound and just miraculous near death experiences
I have ever heard. We welcome Robert Marshall. And he
had a near death experience and was in heaven with
Jesus for forty four hours. He was dead, brain, completely
dead for three days, and he came back to life
and had a miraculous healing of his body, his brain,
his scarring. It was just the most amazing story I
ever heard, and it will more unlikely bring you to tears.
Let's dive in. I like to welcome to the show
Robert Marshall.
Speaker 2: Hey doing, Robert, I'm blessed. I'm doing fabulous. Thank you,
Thank you, Alex.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming, my friend. I am
excited to hear your story of your near death experience.
Is I've done about one hundred and thirty hundred and
forty hundred and fifty of them at this point. Again,
you have a very unique one. It's a unique story.
And how long you spent, what happened to you? Everything?
Your book here is called, uh, it's a kind of
a spoiler alert, forty four hours in Heaven. So we're
going to start. We'll start from the beginning, like what where,
what happened?
Speaker 2: How did you?
Speaker 1: How did you die? Let's see, let's let's take it.
Let's take us back to the day that you you
passed and what happened.
Speaker 2: Okay, first of all, it's not truly not an indie
and near death experience. I actually died. I was dead
for three days, and if you would call it, he
resurrected me from the dead the seventeenth of May. I
had a long short, longer short version.
Speaker 1: Let's keep it. Let's keep the long stuff for inside
of Heaven up until then. We can kind of shorten
it up all right.
Speaker 2: On the seventeenth of May, I had a very large
mass on my neck. It was swallowing like this. I
had gone previously gone to an outpatient emergency room stand alone,
and the doctors said that he came back. He did
MRIs blood test and all that stuff, and I was
having trouble breathing, is why I went there and swallowing,
and the doctor came back in and told me. He
said that there's about a ninety nine percent chance that
this is a very aggressive form of cancer. And he said,
I've sent your information out to two other doctors. They
have all agreed that this is very aggressive and you
need to go see this cancer searching immediately on Monday.
He cleared his schedules so I could go in on Monday.
He says, do not put this off. It's very aggressive
and he said you need to go see him now.
I said, okay. I never made it to Monday. Friday,
around the seventeenth of May, I was having extreme difficulty
swallowing and breathing. I couldn't swallow water, I couldn't swallow anything.
We have a little oxygen up meters that measure your oxygen,
and my oxygen at that point was registering about eighty
eight to eighty nine percent, and they say below ninety
you need to get to an emergency room fast, very
much so. And in addition to a low oxygen level,
I was I couldn't swallow It's just that simple. So
my wife said, let's go. We went to the emergency
room in downtown Fort Worth. She drove. I was feeling
enough out of it at that point I didn't feel
safe to drive. She drove. We went to the emergency room.
She I said, drop me off in front parked car,
Come on in. She said, okay, And I walked through
the emergency room doors and there's a line in emergency
rooms of people checking in. A lady at the who
is behind the window kind of went like this and
looked at me and says, are you okay? Well. I
had to struggle to get to get out to him.
I'm having a little trouble breathing. And she says, you
going in the back right now, And she pushed a
button a door open and I went straight into the back.
She didn't even check me in at this point, just
set me right straight back to the emergency room. The
doctor met me back there, sat down, started looking examining
me and taking his little preliminary tests and everything else.
And make a longer story short, before my wife got
there about the same time that the doctor said, we're
going back here and we're going to intubate him. Which
is an oral tube down my throat. So they took
me into the into the back room, and of course
they put me to sleep to put this tube down
and intbated me. They put the tube in and then
so I could get oxygen, and took me immediately. They
admitted me to the Insensitive Care Unit. That was the
last thing I last time I was awake. They took
me in there on the nineteenth of May. The doctor
came in. They had had me for you know, two days,
and then they were filled me with antibiotics and steroids
and everything else in the world you can think of,
you know, doctors. They just throw everything in there to
help me. They knew they had to get this swallowing down,
and at this point they still felt that they were
dealing with cancer. At that point. Uh. And it was
black in my airway, pushing pressure on my air way.
That's what was the problem. I had breathing. But with
the tube down there, I was fine. I was getting
an oxygen. I'm I'm I'm doing good. You know, except
for cancer.
Speaker 1: There's a cancer.
Speaker 2: Everybody gives a little piece of cancer every once in
a while, you know. Yeah, I've lived till you had
some right. Uh, And what happened as the doctor came in,
looked at the charts, looked at all the machines, you know,
because they had me, you know, on the machine, you know,
they put you on the machines and everything, and of
course the oxygen going in and U tubes everywhere. And
the doctor looked down and says, well, he seemed to
be his stats look real good. Let's see how he
does without the tube and see if he could breathe
without it. Well, she kind of messed up because she
should have had should have done an X ray prior
to that, which she didn't, or an MI or something
which is neither here nor there. You know, doctors are
human too. She she took it out, asked my wife
to leave the room, took it out, and you know,
started watching. My wife came back in and she was
in there about thirty thirty five minutes, and I was
I was breathing fine, everything, everything was looking great, and
I'm getting oxygen stats into my you know. They put
it on a figure and said everything was good, and
she says, all right, looks like he's doing okay on this.
And she left the room with my wife out there,
and of course my wife came back in. Well, they
were gone about forty thirty five or forty minutes, according
to medical records. And that's the other nice thing about
unique thing about this. Everything was recorded, so I can
when I say the time, I can look up the
medical rocket and say how long it was during that
thirty five to forty minutes that they were gone. That
mass rolled over my airway and I suffocated to death.
My heart stopped. I had no oxygen. My wife is
the one that discovered me. Turned in blue deeper blue,
deeper blue, deeper blue. It looked like somebody in the
Blue Man group, except I had no makeup. I was
just no oxygen. She ran out of the room out
there and hollered, he's blue, he's blue. And the doctors
at the nurses station and the doctor of course ran
in and discovered me. She was right. I stopped breathing,
my heart had stopped. Uh that course, hit the code
blue button. Everybody in the world came in. They chased
my wife out of there because, uh no, I'm not
aware of this, okay. I mean that we read the
medical records what it is, you know, and they started
working on trying to get me breathing again. They had
They were doing CPR. They took fifteen minutes of CPR
to get my heart going.
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Speaker 2: And they were in the process. They were trying to
get oxygen into me. They couldn't do that. Now. When
I died the first time, I'd actually died three times
within this one in succession.
Speaker 1: Yeah, within this the situation.
Speaker 2: Yes, got it. So the first time that I died,
I was in heaven for fifteen minutes, basically about what
we tried to equate that time. Fifteen minutes of time.
We tried to equate this according to how long no heart,
no absence, no nothing, no stimulus and everything according to
medical records. And I left my body and I remember
hovering above my body and looking down and going like wow.
And I'm watching all the nurses and the doctor crawl
under the tables. There were tubes that were pushing. They
ended up breaking my ribs, of course, doing CPR, trying
to get my heart going. I drifted out to the
hall and I saw my wife just crying. She was
just hysterical as she could imagine. And literally there were
puddles of tears on the floor.
Speaker 1: She was Were you aware that you were dead?
Speaker 2: At that point, I knew, I knew something isn't normal. Okay, yes,
I'm not with my body. I'm going like looking down,
it's surreal. But it wasn't like that. I'm going, oh wow,
I'm down.
Speaker 1: Like what's happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean no pain, no pain, no feeling, nothing.
I'm just watching you.
Speaker 1: Just at this point, you're just kind of like hovering
and watching this.
Speaker 2: And I drifted back into thing. Now, this isn't for
a long period of time. This was like maybe you know,
twenty thirty seconds how long it takes to look down
and see what's going on. And I drifted out here
and then that fast, I was standing in heaven. I
didn't see a tunnel light. You can go through a
tunnel of light. I didn't do it. I was just
in heaven.
Speaker 1: So what does heaven look like?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. I remember the feeling as soon as
I was standing there. Now I could feel, I could smell,
I could hear, I could do everything. And I was
standing at the edge of what I call like the
inner courtyard, if you would call it. It's like a huge,
uh maze, like a.
Speaker 1: Pardon, is this a stone or is it?
Speaker 2: No? It was, it was there were trees and bushes. Yes.
So I'm standing here and I'm looking around literally like
you were. Just what was it like? And I'm looking
at I'm looking at the trees and the flowers and
just to shrub everything, and it's just like there's just
massive and so beautiful and brilliant, and like we have
forty three oak trees in our backyard, and our oak
trees compared to the trees and Heaven are like little
dying branches. Oh, it's just the collars are so vibrant, right,
and it's not like three dimensional, that's like gazillion dimensional.
I mean, it's just they're just there, and the flowers
and the colors and its just it's just colors.
Speaker 1: They didn't recognize.
Speaker 2: Yes, they're there. You've talked to other people. There is
absolutely no way you could describe all. There's colors and
trees and and the greens and different colors they don't
even have here. What are you feeling? I am feeling
the most peaceful, loving feeling. It's like a huge giant hub.
It's like you're connected to everything and everything. It's just
fills you with love and the peace, and and and
I found out what that is is in heaven, there's
no no sun, there's no there's no day, or it's
just day, but there's no sun in this guy. You know.
We always say that Jesus is the light. Well that's literal.
He his light lights up all of heaven. And in
his light is his love that carries out and comfort
that just permeates everything and everybody and everybody's connected by
that that love that you just just you just feel
the love. It's just it's just a just like a
giant hug proper.
Speaker 1: Before we continue, were you a Christian prior.
Speaker 2: In nineteen Yes, I was a Christian, but I wasn't
what you would call a very good one.
Speaker 1: You were the occasional Christian like I was an occasional Catholic.
I would go Easter Christmas pretty much, that's it.
Speaker 2: Yea. I accepted the Lord in nineteen eighty four, and
I I just didn't you know, I knew I loved
Jesus and I understood, but I wasn't going to church.
I wasn't doing any of that. I didn't study the Bible,
I didn't In fact, when I died, I didn't even
own the Bible, so I had never read it. I
just knew that he that I accepted the Lord.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're back in heaven.
Speaker 2: So I'm back in heaven. So now I'm looking at
the trees and the vibrancy of them. But something unique
about the trees and the plants in heaven. Every tree,
every flower, every plant gives off what I call a
little melodic tone or hum, and they all combined together
for a song that singing praises to Jesus all day long.
Now it's in the background, it's like a a not
a white noise, but I mean if you stop and
you could hear it, but it's there. There's no dead silence,
but it's there, and it's continuously and it's the most
beautiful song melodic tone that you ever could think of.
In addition to that, every plant, every flower all gives
off a special little scent of their own that wants
to get again. Combined together makes the most beautiful fragrance
and smell of air that you It's like fresh air
and just everything you could even imagine. It's not strong
like perfume or anything. It's just it's just the most
incredible smell of fresh air that you could ever ever imagine. Now,
you could stop and go to individual plants and look
and smell them each different scent of the plants and
separate it. But when it's combined, just like that, when
you're not doing that, it's just like the trees, you
can hear that special tone, but it's combined that does
that that makes it beautiful thing. And it literally praises
Jesus all day long. I mean we always hear they're
gonna be praising Jesus all day long and praising God
all day long. Well, the plants and everybody are, which
is just it was just the neatest thing of most peaceful,
loving feeling. You're looking at You're going like wow, I
mean you just can't believe. And it's like you don't
feel any pain, you don't feel you just feel vibrant, loved, warmth.
Just it's just incredible and the beauty of everything is unbelievable.
Over at the outside, I was outside, but I was
looking in the inner courtyard and it's just rows of shrubbery.
There was a river of pure causel river wife running
through all the way back up to what would be
like a throne if you would have it, and along
it were benches with trees and flowers on the edge
of the river and stuff. And if you ever seen
these huge Manson Manson Manson mansions that have like all
the shrubbery and stuff in designs and everything, okay, well,
it was kind of like that, only the most elaborate, elegant,
beautiful things, and everything was absolutely perfect. And I remember
looking over and I saw a figure that I recognized,
and I looked and it was in the distance and
he was just there tending the bushes and stuff like that,
you know, and it was my dad. My dad had
died in nineteen ninety two. No, he died at two
in twenty eleven, excuse me, in twenty eleven. He died
at ninety two from cancer. They had trop cancer and
it shriveled him away and eating away. But when I
saw him, I recognized him as the dad of my youth.
He was about thirty five thirty six years old, maybe,
perfect health, happy, and I remembered him from from when
I was growing up. And I'm looking and I'm like, wow,
you know, because now the sensory overload is just I mean,
I realized that I'm pretty sure I'm in heaven. This
is you know, but I'm still not thinking about having
been Dad dying, and you know, there was no pain
that I was just eve and when I was down there,
and I remember walking over approaching my dad and I
walked up to him and I said, Dad, Now, my
dad and I had this kind of little thing that
we had when I was growing up. I was in
the military and work was in some pretty precarious positions,
and I remember I get shot or wounded or something.
I spent three and a half years in Vietnam alone.
But I'd come home and he he'd said, well, you
really did it now, didn't your son? You know, yes, Dad,
I didn't do anything, you know, but it was his
little way of putting light on the situation. But it
was kind of a little thing that we did, but
it was, you know, my dad. Well every time I
get and told me said you did it now, didn't you.
And I walked up to him and I said Dad,
and he goes yeah, he said, well you did it now,
didn't you, son? And it was kind of like his
way to let me know, this is my dad, right,
And I'm going, Dad, I didn't do anything. I died.
He says, I know.
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Speaker 2: I know. And I said wow. And I went like,
am I ain't happening? He says, where do you think
you are? And I says, I think it's happening. He
says yes, and I went wow. And we talked a
little bit and about, you know, things in the past.
And I remember looking over seeing over in the far
distance of light and a silhouette of a man which
kind of you know, had a silhouette of Jesus. Is
what I'm looking at. Guy. I says, who's that over there?
And he said, who do you think it is? Says Jesus,
and he goes yes. And I went like, wow. How
do I get to talk to him? You know? And
he goes, well, he says, the first thing you do
when you're approaching me, you start with your right knee
on the ground, then you left knee on the ground,
and if there's a conversation to be had, he'll start it.
I said, okay, so we're talking a little bit more,
and of course, my being me, I want to go
meet Jesus. So I started to walk in that fast.
Just as fast as I was there that fast, I
was back in my body. Those cotton picking doctors got
my heart going. I went from like what are you doing? Yeah,
I went from total absolute ecstasy.
Speaker 1: To yes, slammed back into your body.
Speaker 2: Bam right back in and the pain, all the pain
and everything. And at this point, fortunately I wasn't there
that long because at that point, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Was you felt it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, So now I'm going like this. But
then it was almost as fast as I was back,
I died again. Uh And I was right this time.
I didn't hover. I was right back in heaven. This
time I was standing outside of a field, a big,
huge pasture, and the trees, the familiar smells and the
hug and the feeling of love is like I'm home.
Oh just it was absolutely incredible. Well, I was glad
to get out of the back down there. So I
was kind of glad I died again. While what happened
down there, and the reason that I died again was
because of stress pain. I suffocated the first time. The
second time. During the time I was gone, they were
trying to put get obviously took fifteen minutes in my
heart going again. But they this time they were trying
to get a track down me again, so that an
oral intubation tube, you call it. Not the track yet.
So I get oxygen again, but they couldn't get it
down in there because that mass had rolled over it
was blocking it. So then they decided they had to
trake me. And of course they're doing CPR again because
my heart stopped again and they're continuing with the CPR.
I'm bouncing around on the table. You can imagine, and
a scalpel and bouncing on a table is never good.
So they were cutting. They cut me to put it tracking. Yeah,
I know, I don't have a big hole there either.
That's another amazing thing. We'll get to that down the road.
But they cut it too big, cut it at an angle,
and then they tried they was too big for the trake.
They tried to insert the trake down in there, and
they got that down in there, and what had happened
was they could still couldn't get oxygen to me, so
I continued being without oxygen. So I've already been without
oxygen for fifteen minutes. Took them another twenty twenty minutes
to get anything back down in there. And the reason
for that is because to get my heart started again.
I mean, when they inserted the tubes of the trait tube,
they couldn't get oxygen in still. And the reason they
couldn't was because they had nick and I had bled
out into my lungs and my lungs were filled with
blood and the trait tubes got filled with blood and
all it was doing was pumping blood oxygen in there,
and they couldn't get any oxygen because my inside of
my lungs had been coated with blood. They were coagulating,
and when they pulled the trade tube out, the auction
was still going in, but it's just shot blood everywhere
because they kept filling up with blood. That's when they
realize we now have a blood problem in addition to
a heart problem, in addition to an oxygen problem. We
got big problems. And when they my heart stopped the
second time and they went, they came out to my wife,
he's gone. It's gone again. He's gone. He's gone. And
they came out and to my wife and says, what
do you want us to do? And we had a
living will, and my wife says, you do everything you can.
And they went back in and he said, his wife says,
keep doing everything that we can, so they did. They continued.
Took him another twenty minutes to get my heart started.
They were trying to get blood out of there. They're pumping.
Speaker 1: So now they're trying to get you back. What's going
on in heaven?
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm sorry? All right, Well, Jesus told me to
tell everybody what that was because when he sent me back,
he wants people to know. Got it, all right? So
I'm back in heaven. Yeah, yeah, I'm standing at the
pasture in a field of just beautiful now, the trees,
the flowers, it's tall, flowing grass, and across the field
come running two horses trotting and three little dogs. I'm
looking at this, and as they got closer, I recognized
the two horses. My wife and I had horses. One
was named Shahouche called him Shock. He's a white Arabian,
beautiful horse, personality of a playful clown. Thought he was
a dog in the arena with her. He jumped like
a dog does with her. The other one was named Nuggets.
She was a quarter horse, a Buckskin quarter horse. Very
regal and gentle, you know, total different personalities. I recognized
they came up. We had to have both of them
put down because of age and cancer and stuff like
that they had. And they both came running up to
me along with the three little dogs. And I recognized
the horses. Except now they're in perfect shape too. There's
nothing wrong with him right, no sway back from Sath,
I mean, just absolutely beautiful. And I recognized two of
the dogs. Third one I didn't know. And we have
had three three dogs we had. First dog was named Fudge.
Fudge one, of course, we had to have him put
down because of old age. Fudge two, we had him
put down because of old age and dementia. And then
we have another dog right now, Fudge three. But he's
still okay. He's still at home with us. But those
were Fudge one and Fudge two that we had. There
were our dogs that they were there. Third one I
didn't know. Later I found out that that little third
dog was named Annie. And there was a dog that
my wife had had before I even knew her. I
never knew this dog. I never knew that my wife
had this.
Speaker 1: Dog decieted like, hey, I'm going to come to the party.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you know, and the little dog. She was
just sitting there, cute little dog. And I was back
telling my wife about, you know, the dogs, obviously telling
her what happened, and she goes just a minute, she
went out a picture and she says, is this do
I described it? And this? I said, yes, it was
her dog that she had put down before I even
knew her. So at that point, I'm treated with this experience.
Our pets are absolutely in heaven. They were a gift
from God, and he doesn't take gifts that he gives
you back. He gave us those dogs, he gave us
those horses, and that bond that special, and they do
have little souls and they do love and they are
they're just the coolest animals. Now, another thing that I
found out in heaven was when you're in heaven, you
can communicate with your pets. Not like hell old mister
ed the talking horse, but you know what they're saying,
they know what you're saying, you can communicate it. And
we had the greatest conversation and they were they were
happy that we took them out of their suffering.
Speaker 1: When you were speaking to your dad in the first
the first time. Were you doing the same kind of community.
Speaker 2: No, it was physical, just like we're talking here.
Speaker 1: Really, so you saw a body you saw, Oh, yes,
and he saw and you had a body you actually.
Speaker 2: I actually had a body you saw. I wasn't a
spirit for him, I was. I was there. It was
physically a perfect body, just like my dad was just
a perfect body. We're talking just like we are here,
and same thing there. They had. The horses weren't spirit,
they were physical horses, just like physically you.
Speaker 1: Were talking to them. Mental yes, and uh.
Speaker 2: It was just the most incredible experience. And we talked,
we talked. I wasn't having that time about seventeen minutes,
seventeen minutes, and I was just enjoying myself. This was
just and just feeling loved like you just you can't
explain the feeling there with the smells and sounds and
the beauty of everything is just And it's not just
the beauty, it's that you're connected to all that beauty.
You're connected to all those trees. You're connected to. I
never felt love and connected with my father like I
did when I was there, or the horses or the dogs.
It's just a total just overwhelming love and appreciation.
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Speaker 2: You want to know what the doctors did, right?
Speaker 1: They brought you back again, didn't they? Those sons are
you know?
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say that. What you're having, I'm going
I can't believe you. What are you doing?
Speaker 1: I'm hanging out with horses and heaven, I'm feeling good.
What do you keep doing? I don't want to come
back here? You are you kidding me?
Speaker 2: So I'm sitting there or now I'm back in my
body that fast. I'm back in.
Speaker 1: And pain everything everything, and you're in you're conscious again again.
Speaker 2: I'm aware of everything. Well, at this point, I wasn't
back very long again because I drowned on my blood. Obviously,
I'm still getting no oxygen at this point. I was
without oxygen now for about thirty five minutes, with zero oxygen,
no heartbeat except for a fraction. Oh, we got to
go in and okay, let them field what's going on?
I let them die again? Go on back? So I
did again, So I'm back there now. I died the
third time, and I went back to heaven again. Well,
they kept working on me down here and what they
can read it in the book. If they want, we'll
get to have the talk about having here. But they continue.
They had to scrape my lungs, They had to take
me to surgery scrape my lungs out. They had drained blood.
They ended up draining out eventually. I think it was
like had drilled a hole in my side and drained
like a leader bottle full of blood fluids out. I
was a pretty bad shit, that sounds like it. But
my wife wouldn't let them. They want after the first time.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, look, after thirty five minutes your brain dead.
There's really nothing to con in theory, there's really nothing
to bring back because you would arguably be a vestable
did if you happened to come back.
Speaker 2: Absolutely no, the doctors after the first fifteen minutes wanted
to pull it right then. Of course after the second
time they there's no. But my wife wouldn't let them know.
And with a living will, it states that if they
put you on life support machine for any reason, they
can't take you off except for fourteen day on ours
unless she agreed to power agrees yes you can. You
can take them all the life support. Well, they kept
trying to convince her, and she kept trying to tell
him no, get back in there. She was. She's a
determined crist It's a bulldog in oh. Man, I'll tell you,
I couldn't ask for a better woman. Was protecting her man.
Speaker 1: She was protecting her man.
Speaker 2: She is the sweetish, most wonderful and incredible woman I
have ever heard.
Speaker 1: And you're not just saying that because she's hearing you
in the other room.
Speaker 2: Oh, I actually forgot she was in there. No, no, no, no,
no no.
Speaker 1: How long have you been married with her?
Speaker 2: We've been over a little thirty one years. And put
me on the spot here. Yeah, no, she is. She's
my everything.
Speaker 1: I know the feeling as I tell her.
Speaker 2: Second to Jesus, Now, I want to get on my
priorities straight. So I died the third time. I'm back
in heaven again. This time I'm going like, hopefully I
don't have to go back again. I mean, I'll be
here longer. You know, I didn't know how long I
was going to be either. I'm standing at the inner courtyard,
and that same familiar smell and peace.
Speaker 1: The courtyard from the first time yes, okay.
Speaker 2: Except I'm more over here. I still saw my dad
over there, and I saw my mom in the distance
over there. I never went up and talked to her.
My dad was the only one that I ever talked to.
And I'm now I'm backing after having talked with Jesus
for a long time. I understand why. But I'm standing
there and I'm looking and I'm going like, oh, this
is so much better than down. Oh it feels good.
No pain, tranquility, love, peace, the smells, the trees, the
familiar hug of oh I'm home. And I saw in
the distance says okay, I saw the silhouette Jesus. I'm
going to talk. I'm going to try and go and
talk to Jesus. Now I've had the experiences before that
I didn't make it over there to talk to me,
and I'm going I hope. I didn't know what I
was going to get to, but I'm going to try.
And I walked over and as I approached, I found
out my dad was wrong. He said to start with
your right knee underground, and you left me on the ground.
If conversation to be had, he'll start it. He was wrong.
I didn't start with my right nam I left knee.
I just fell full prostate, straight face down on the ground,
crying like a baby. It was like not tears of sorrow,
tears of joy and humility. I'm not at this point.
I'm not standing. I was laying in front of my
Lord and Savior, the creator of the entire universe. I'm
in front of him. I know I'm in heaven. Now.
He stood and he walked over to me, and he
reached down with his hand. He says, take my hand
and stand. We've much to talk about, and he helped
me up. He wiped my tears and said it's going
to be okay, let's walk and talk. The first thing
out of my mouth selfishness, should have been anything but this,
but it wasn't. I said why I said this? I said,
can I go back? Really? I said, I need the comfort, Carol,
because I remembered her in the anguish that she was
going in, because of where I was at and what
I felt, every bit of her pain, every bit of
things she was going.
Speaker 1: Through while you were in heaven.
Speaker 2: Oh there, yeah, okay, Remember I wasn't a resident yet.
We're yeah, miss. My memory was still very poignant about
her back care and what's going on. I knew what
was going on back here. I knew that I had
died at this point, there's no question. I know I
died three times now, And I says, can I go back?
He never answered it. It was like I went right
over his head. I well, I guess that's my answer.
So we started walking. And I know there's no time
in heaven. I want to emphasize that, and the time
periods that I use. I utilize for absent from the body,
no heartbeat, no oxygen. This is what equates death here, okay.
And I've gone through medical notes and they recorded everything,
heart stopped, heart started, heart stopped, heart started, heart stopped,
heart started, no oxygen. Well, the second time that I died,
I it was like fifty five minutes before they could
get my heart and oxygen everything to where I could
get any oxygen in me. And this is after surgery
and everything else. And when they finally did get oxygen
coming back in, it was only started out like point
zero three of one percent. I mean virtually nothing. Sure,
you got to have ninety percent or above ninety five
is usually normal, ninety five hundred percent. But at point
zero three is ridiculous. And it took several a little
bit while before you could get the oxygen count back up.
But I'm standing there and he says, all right, let's
walk and talk in happen again. And we're walking through heaven,
and I mean, wow, you cannot even imagine, and how
beautiful heaven is. The smells, the joys, the love that
you feel. And I'm walking with Jesus hand in hand.
And as we walked through heaven, we walked and talked.
I say talked. He talked mostly he was teaching. He
taught me about the Bible. He shared with me things
in heaven. We went. We ended up walking towards to
our house. What our mansion is going to be in heaven.
He took me there to show me that. But we
walked for forty three hours in twenty eight minutes straight, NonStop,
no sleep, just him teaching me continuously. And he while
we walk, he taught me about the Bible, why it
was written. He told me about different religions, how religions
came about, all the different you know, everything he taught
me when time began creation, from Genesis all the way
through Revelations. He taught me why there seems to be
things in the Bible that show can be interpreted different ways,
or what appears to be contradictions, but they're not. Why
he used parables, examples, what we need to do, how
to leen on your understanding. Taught me what truly is
salvation in faith? I mean what it? I mean everything,
And I'm going like, why is he teaching me the
same point when you get to heaven, I always been
taught me, you'll know everything. Well, that's wasn't true in
my case.
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Speaker 2: And probably because I he knew, but I didn't that
I wasn't going to be staying. I was going to
be going back. So he continued to teach me for
that entire time, and he shared with me what he
wants me to share with other people because of questions
people have. So we continued walking through and learning and teaching,
and we ended up back at the inner courtyard.
Speaker 1: This is all nature, still all natural.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it wasn't spirit. It was physical. When he says,
if I stood up, if I was on the ground
and you reached over and grabbed me and helped me up,
it was physical. We were talking, this wasn't a dream,
this isn't a vision, this is this is heaven. And
he showed us what our house was going to look like,
where was going to be, and he explained to me
about the New heavens and the New Earth and that
where he kind of scared me when he said this.
He says, now you know this is not where you're
going to spend all of eternity. All I thought, Oh
my goodness, what a horrible what a horrible I mean,
you're walking me through all of it.
Speaker 1: That's horrible, horrible ending there Jesus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he cleared it up real quick, but that moment
my heart fluttered him when like, ro what, no, you
just show me. This wasn't gonna miss. He says, because.
Speaker 1: All of this is not for you. That's exactly what
You're like, Oh.
Speaker 2: God, yeah, he said. He says, new heavens and the
New Earth and the New Earth is where we'll be
part of the New heavens. And I'm going like, okay,
I remember that. And then of course he taught me
about the New Heavens and the New Earth in the
Bible and everything and how it's going to be it'll
be very similar. But the New Earth is gonna be
a lot larger, obviously, And there's a lot of things
that have changed that will not apply that'll apply here,
like how we travel, how do we talk to people,
where we're gonna live, what we're gonna eat, uh everything?
What do we do in heaven? He taught me all
of these things. And then I'm going like, why has
he giving me all this information? And we get back
at the Inner Courtyard and we're sitting on a bench
underneath a canopy of trees and the river of Life
flo I mean a serene, surreal, I mean vision that
you just you couldn't even imagine how beautiful it was.
I'm sitting here on a bench next to Jesus, next
to God. And he started the conversation. He said, when
you first came before me, he said, you asked if
you could go back? I went, oh, he did. Here.
Speaker 1: I don't think Jesus is hard of hearing.
Speaker 2: No, he's not. He didn't answer that, he says. However,
he says, and this is when I knew exactly how
bad my body was. He says, your your brain has
been destroyed. Obviously. Ninety minutes, No oxygen or longer than
ninety because it was leaving. It was only like a point.
He said, your body's been ravished. Not only has your
brain been destroyed, but your body. When your body is
without oxygen, it eats away the muscles, It eats everything too,
and it blows. When it eats a cell to get
the oxygen that's residual oxygen, it explodes and then it's
a gas. That's why dead people blow up. My brain. Yeah,
it's this horn. My skull was deformed. I mean I
looked at it when I came back. I looked at
the MRI from the evening of the nineteenth They did
an MRI, and my skull looked like something out of
a monster movie. And there was nothing in there. I
had no brain, no activity, so they knew I was
brained in. And he says, your body's been ravaged. It's
been destroyed. He says, and I could not send you
back because if I were to send you back to
your body, and even in this he was kind. Instead
of saying you'd be a vegetable, he said you would
be self contained within that physical body, and you would
not be able to comfort or help anybody. Instead of
saying your vestment, you're just gonna be self contained. It's
gonna be a holding some until I bring you back
up here anyway. He says. Therefore, I cannot and would
not send you back. I went, I got my answer again,
and then again, like when he said, you're not going
to live here for all, he's learning to me, he's
scares here, right, He goes. However, I could and would
send you back with some caveats. He said. First, I'll
send you back with a miracle that nobody could ever deny.
Not the doctors, not the nurses, not scientists, nobody could
ever deny that. He when I say I am God,
this is just him talking that I am God, and
I did this, and there's no question that I'm alive.
I'm real. Heaven is real, and they will never be
able to question that. They could question whether or not
you talk to me. What you learned is from me,
he said. But when they think about the miracle, it
wouldn't make any sense for you to come back and
tell something that wasn't, he said. I wouldn't allow that,
he says, but they cannot deny that he's God, and
that's why they will listen to what you have to say.
I went okay, he says. Now, I will send you
back as if you had never died, as if you
had never had anything wrong with you in your entire life,
he said. I will restore you. I will. First, I
will give you a new brain. I will restore your
entire memory of your entire life that you can ever
recall on. I will give you a total memory of
everything that you learned, experienced, and we're taught while here
in heaven from me, he says. And I'll give you
a complete memory with recall for all of that, he says.
I will restore your heart, your delivery, your kiddies. I
will give you everything new and will be as if
you had never died, as if nothing had ever happened.
Your body will recover and your brain will be remain
intact perfect and my body. You take a little bit
to recovery, not like normal people. Yeah, and uh it
was it was. The recovery was amazing.
Speaker 1: Why you heart new lungs.
Speaker 2: Every Well, when I came back, I had new heart, new,
everything was brand new. Do not even have the same
typelood found that out later. So your blood type I
was a type A. I'm now a typo my DNA
to match.
Speaker 1: Interesting and that's something that that's provable obviously.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh all of it. I was in the military.
You want to have trouble proven military has me type Hey.
When I go back in there and they draw blood
and stuff, you know, for physicals, and I go, what
what's going on here? All of a sudden, now they said,
this is type O. Yeah, well you know, remember right,
I died here.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're still back before we get back down.
Speaker 2: Okay. So we're standing there on the bench and he says,
now I couldn't would send you back. I'll send you
back with new brain, new everything. So if you had
never died, he says, and I will command you to
share everything that I taught you, everything you learned, everything
that you experienced in heaven, including how you died, why
you died, what happened to you in the miracle that
I'd performed bring you back. You will share that with anybody, anywhere, anytime,
and to as many people as you can until you return.
He says. You will also answer any questions with anybody anywhere,
anytime that I put in front of you, and you
will answer their questions. He said, I'll be with you.
You'll answer them in spirit and truth, and you will
answer them from what I taught you, he says, And
you will do that until I bring you home. He says.
Now there was another caveat. He says, when you go
back soon, you choose to go back, and he gave
me a choice. He says. In addition to those caveats,
you will experience when you enter your body, you will
experience every bit of pain that your body is going
through until you leave the hospital and fully recover as
if you had no anesthesia. He says. Now, the doctors
will give you anesthesia. You will have that, but you're
gonna feel it.
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Speaker 2: And if you go through that and you survive that,
this was had another if Jesus ever tells you if.
Speaker 1: I'm not get ready, it's not a good situation.
Speaker 2: He said. If you survive that, then you will fully
recover and you will carry out my mission. It is
it okay, he says. Now, you know when I taught
you up here that if somebody comes to heaven, they
do not get to look down upon their loved ones.
You can't interact, you can't interfere, you can't come from them,
because that's going to cause problems in heaven as far
as emotions, anger and so on, And that's a whole
other topic. But he says, everybody will understand that now
if you stay, if you choose to stay, you have
your choice. You can stay, and you will be here
in heaven and you will be fine. You won't remember Carol.
You will not have any ability to comfort her or
do anything until she comes here. That's the way that's
going to be. Or if you choose to go back,
you will have to fulfill all of those caveats. And
if so, then you will go ahead and you will
share my word as I have told you your choice.
When you choose, understand, I'm going to search your heart
your mind to make sure that it's for the right
to correct reasons and nothing totally out of lot and
no selfish. This is your choice, you choose. It didn't
take long, and I must have had the right reasons
because the next instant I was sitting on the bench
with Jesus in heaven, total peace, love. You can just imagine,
and that fast and I'm back in my body and
it was not pleasant.
Speaker 1: All of it came rushing in.
Speaker 2: I went through surgery. The doctors had no idea that
I could feel anything. They assumed, like everybody else, you're
not going to feel anything. So when you're in surgery,
I felt everything.
Speaker 1: Not only did you feel anything? But are you dead
at this point or no?
Speaker 2: I am back alive.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're alive now.
Speaker 2: He let me experience everything, even though I was gone before.
He let me experience The reason why he didn't, but
I understand that a lot of people have asked that
I understand now why because what he was asking me
to do was not of the norm, and he wanted
to make sure that I understood what he went through
in a small way, and that there's always a sacrifice
that you have to make, you have to endure. And
I think it was his way of showing me that
to endure that then I would be able to endure
and go and talk to anywhere, anybody, any place, anytime,
because quite candidly, some of the things that I tell people,
you know, they look.
Speaker 1: At you like in three heads.
Speaker 2: Really yeah, but yet it's truth in its facts. He
wanted me to understand that this was not normal. This
is a one of one and I'm going back because
I need you to do this. He was asking me
to do something for him and wanted to make sure
that I understood it wasn't just something to try this
job out. You really want to be able to do this.
And I think it was a furtherance of him surging
my heart. Yes, I had the right reasons in my heart,
but remember he said in your I'll search your heart
in your mind, my heart he knew was true. Was
my mind going to be able to with stand and
do this and truly want this over all costs? And
I think that's what it was. It is his way
of saying, will your mind understand at all costs that
you have to do this?
Speaker 1: So you're so you're back, So you come back. You
told me earlier off camera that you had completely died.
You even got bloated. Yeah, so explain that. Explain that,
like I want people to really truly understand how dead
you were, sir.
Speaker 2: I was, I had. I was at the Country Music
Awards and I was talking and that they I gave
a thing at the church there for everybody that was
in the Country Music of Christian Country Music Awards and uh.
I gave a testimony, and the pastor of the preacher
that was introducing me, he said, he said, and this
is kind of funny the way he said. He said,
this guy was graveyard dead. That's pretty much what it was.
When you are without oxygen for even just a short
period of five minutes, they say death is it's going
to happen. At ten minutes to fifteen minutes, there's absolutely
no recovery. At twenty to thirty minutes, it's just destroyed.
There's absolutely no way you are coming back without total
absolute brain damage. And if you say a vegetable or
is Jesus self contained within your own body at ninety minutes,
At twenty five minutes, additional things happens. So your brain
has residual oxygen in all the brain cells, your body, muscles, everything,
every organ in your body has residual oxygen and the
cells that make it up. When your brain is without oxygen,
it explodes those cells because it's starving for oxygen and
it wants to get the oxygen. As a result, it
explodes those brain cells. It gets that oxygen, but it
also emits a gas, and the more brain cells that
you have are eaten the more gas it gets in there.
In my case, my whole brain was eaten. My brain
cells were eating. The gas that was emitted just blew
my skull even out of proportion because of the thing.
It just took the bone. It looked like some kind
of a monster skull, but left nothing else to get
There was no brain cells left to get oxygen from
the body as well. That happened at your body, does
it a little bit slower process? And what happens is
when a person dies, they have residual oxygen in them anyway,
And that's why you see blowed at people. That's their
muscles and everything exploding because it's still starving for oxygen
and it explodes and the gas emits, and of course
the gas builds up, builds up, builds up, and you
just keep blowing up, blowing up, blowing up like a
Pillsbury door boy. My wife would come in and she
would try and and she says, is it to the
doctor says, okay, if I rub his hands because they
you know, they're just blowd can you can imagine?
Speaker 1: And he said, Ye're alive at this point, your machines.
Speaker 2: I was, I was live, but I was I was
still still dead.
Speaker 1: Right, you were dead, but you were the machines were
technically keeping you alive, but you weren't.
Speaker 2: They had the heart going and that was all that
was happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and the oxygen they were still trying to
get up.
Speaker 2: There were still trying to get oxygen in there. Yes,
so she he's a doctor, told her, yeah, it won't
hurt anything. So she would just rub my hands and
she would just try to do that. But I just
blew up like the marshmallow dough boy, like a dead
person does. And that's what happens. The difference between that
and this is is he gave me life again and
I was able to get in a residuate, get that
out of there, my my lungs and everything, and recover.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you a question. Right, so you're
you're you're you're feeling all this pain. They've done surgery
on you. You're still bloating, your heads a little bit disformed.
It all started coming back down now, so everything just
starts to recede, recede and go back to where it was. Yes,
at that point, what are the doctors saying.
Speaker 2: Oh, well, let's go back to what the doctor said
when I first came.
Speaker 1: Back the third time, yeah, the final time.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, we kind of skipped over that. You
wanted to go to heaven. I'll take you down on
the I died on the nineteenth of May. On the
twenty third of May is when I came back to
shock some doctors totally.
Speaker 1: So you're dead. I was dead till three for ninety days.
Speaker 2: Of ninety three days, a little over three days, about
three and a half days. Yeah, sorry, okay, so they
still have you there, And every day they kept trying
to go to my wife and say, you know, we
really need to end the life support.
Speaker 1: So your machine, your body is technically functioning, but not
at you're bloating. Your head's this formed. There's no reason
why you should be on life support. No, you should
have been pulled off days ago. Absolutely, because it's really
it looks like, come on, nothing.
Speaker 2: That's exactly correct. And they wanted to end it on
the nineteenth.
Speaker 1: As a logical person would.
Speaker 2: But your wife was I'm glad she's not logical. That's hey,
women are real logical, trust me, she's a lot. No,
she's wonderful. But yes, that's exactly you're right for you. Yeah,
and all the if they turn machines off at any time. Uh,
my brain did not have the ability to tell her
to do anything, because your brain is your control center
and it was dead.
Speaker 1: And that was already that even as your body was.
Speaker 2: Still functioning, that's correct, So equal didn't function. He couldn't
tell them to do anything. So all I was was
just pumping stuff in and just keep blowing it up,
and they keep talking. Everything's all you know.
Speaker 1: They're moving the lungs back and forth.
Speaker 2: Y yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh, And I had if they'd have shut it off,
that was all over because my brain wouldn't have tell been.
The machine was telling my body what to do. Sure,
physical body.
Speaker 1: Was here, but the brain was gone.
Speaker 2: The brain was gone, and the physical body was during
that period of time wasn't up the capacity because the
heart's been destroyed, the liver is the kid. Everything has
been destroyed. So nothing's working like it's supposed to anyway.
But the machine's going, well, it's heart's pumping now and
we're putting oxygen in and that's all that they could see.
But there's no brain.
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Speaker 2: On the twenty third, they had almost had her convinced yes,
in life support, and she was in this room number seven,
lucky seven. Right, she was in there in the ice
with the doctor. And this is kind of funny. This
is the only name that we use in the book anywhere,
because they asked us not to use names of the
doctors for obvious reasons hip violations and stuff. But we
use his name because it's funny. I got to have
humor in the situation. Uh, the doctor's in there and
and my my wife is there and she has her
two fingers in my hand like this this kind of way,
just just touching me. And they just about had her
convinced to say okay, goodbye, and I come back into
my body and I'm going like I'm I'm going like,
oh no, no, no, no, I'm in here. I'm in here. People.
I know it's going to happen because we talked about cremation, right, No, no, no,
I don't want to go through that too. And I
squeezed her fingers, well I know I'm in here, and
she she squeezed him. I squeezed him again. She went
back for a third time. She wanted me to squeezing me.
I didn't have it in me. I couldn't do it anymore.
Keep in mind, at this point they have me protocol.
They came me on paralyzing drugs, uh, everything else that
they could put you so you don't have muscle tractions
or anything, just to pull anything out, you know.
Speaker 1: Kitchen sink.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh, she said, he just squeezed my fingers.
And the doctor says, no, he couldn't squeeze you. He
can't squeeze your fingers. It was a twitch or something.
She says, no, he squeezed my fingers. My wife's a
little stubborn sometimes.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm sensing that, Robert, I'm sensing that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you should bring her and ask her these questions.
And she squeezed them. She says, no, I squeezed him.
He squeezed me back. I squeezed him again, and he
squeezed my finger twice. He's in there, the doctor, and
later on we've talk to the doctors. He says, Aha,
I can finally convince her. He says, Okay, here's what
I'm going to do, and I'm going to lower all
the drugs, everything down, and I'll come back in and
it'll take you know, an hour two hours for that.
Then you know, yeah, go away, he says, and I'll
show you. Uh, we we'll see, because at this point
he knows he's seeing the MRI in the nineteenth there's
no brain. I'm braided that. And he knows that this
is the twenty third of May. He knows you can't
blame him. I mean, you know, he's going by what
doctors do. Sure, so she he comes back, she's in there,
and he says, okay, and he gets you know, these
little stools they have on wheels. He sits on that,
you know, and he gets up, pulls up next to
me in the ICU room, and he gets up next
to his ear. Now, I'm been trying not to blow
your mic out, so I'm not going to do a screen.
Speaker 1: Appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he he gets up next to my ears, and
Carol's watching right us. He screams, at the top of
its lungs. My name is doctor Guda, like the cheese.
From then on he's known to this doctor Cheese to
to my wife. And he goes, if you can hear me,
raise your arms. Well not, I've never heard anything so
dumb in my whole life. It's actually kind of comical.
Here's a doctor that knows you have no brain, knows
you're dead, and tells you to raise your arms.
Speaker 1: Well, but he's doing it just to prove a point.
Speaker 2: Right, except this, I raise both arms.
Speaker 1: Stop it.
Speaker 2: That's what the doctor, well, he did say. He stop it,
both arms high as I could get him, and the
doctor on that little cheese scoots back and he goes,
what the it's a few choice words, and he goes,
totally freak. I mean, as you will. It just chocking
the way minute. And then he goes it looks my wife.
My wife, of course she's excited. I guess he comes
back up. You'd have to ask her what shit. I
don't remember what she looked because I wasn't looking, but
he uh, he comes back again, and he goes, okay,
wiggle your feet, both of them. I wiggle both my feet.
Speaker 1: He goes, this is five to how many days you
been dead? Three three and a half, three and a
half days brain dead? Yeah, braindy. Your head is this
formed because of the gas that's been released in your mind,
in your brain. So it's not like maybe he's brain dead.
Speaker 2: No, he's dead graveyard dead.
Speaker 1: Graveyard dead. And now you're wiggling feet and raising arms.
So what happened to the doctor after you wiggled your feet?
Speaker 2: He's still freaking. He comes back, he's this back again.
He looks and he goes, I don't know what's going on.
He comes back up and he goes screaming again. Why
is he screaming? I can hear you, guy, Okay, hear drum?
Come on, you trying to kill me? He goes. He goes,
look at me.
Speaker 1: No, you did it.
Speaker 2: I looked over at him, eyes open, eyes open. He blink.
I blinked, blink faster. I blink faster. He backs up
and he looks at carry said, I do not know
what's going on, but I got to do another MRI.
And Carol, she's excited.
Speaker 1: As you should be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he raised all the drugs back out because he
doesn't know at this point what's going on. So he
paralyzed me and what all, you know, all the crazy stuff,
and he goes like, I do not understand what's going on.
I gotta do another MRI. Carol says, I wait. He
goes no. He says, we're gonna do it tonight. He goes,
go home, get some rest. You know, there's nothing you
can do here right now. He goes, come back tomorrow.
I'll have the results tomorrow. Of course, Carol, you know,
she she was there every day, all day, every day.
She's I mean that lady. A trooper is not even
the word for it. She is truly an angel in disguise.
Speaker 1: So I've got one of those two.
Speaker 2: Don't let her go. Absolutely, So Carol goes home. Of
course she's optimistic. But Carol's been in the medical field
all of her life. She was a speech pathologist and therapy.
She works in nursing homes.
Speaker 1: And she she wasn't she wasn't ignorant to this.
Speaker 2: No, she knows. She'll tell you. She says she knew
what she was facing because she knows how long it
was without oxygen. She knows what brain damage does, and
she didn't know. She said, oh, no, he conscious now,
but is he going to be able to Breathe there's
going to have to be on a ventilator for his
rest of his life. She doesn't know what's going on
because of the damage to the brain, you know, and
you know she she says, I don't want because we
have in our will. We know, we don't want to
be on minilators. And she says she may have to
make the decision to tell them to pull the life support.
Uh you know, she I mean she was going through
English but joy at the same time, Hope but English.
She could explain it better than I.
Speaker 1: And they take you to the MRI.
Speaker 2: I he did the MRI that night. The next morning,
Carol came in and she walked up to the to
the nurses station and she says, did the MRIs get
through come back? And she goes yes. She says, well,
what did they say? And the nurse says, you know,
I can't tell you. First, I'm not a doctor, so
I can't read them. She says, also, I can't tell
you that the doctor has to tell you. Of course,
Carol's like and she says, Carol said, I think Carol,
Carol told me this. She says, I told her that, Uh, well,
is it good or is it bad? And I believe
the nurse told her, well, it's not bad.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: So Carol's got optimism again, She's got hope. But then
she's still worried. Am I going to have to in
the light? Oh, she's going through at ah.
Speaker 1: She was like this, I mean, the emotional rollercoaster is
insane because let's say your brain is back, doesn't mean
your body is. No, I say, the miracle of the
brain is back, but how about if your heart's gone
or your lungs are not working properly? It is a thousand.
Speaker 2: Things right, And once again I knew because Jesus told me,
of course, But she doesn't know. She didn't know what
to happen. She doesn't know any of this going on
yet because I haven't talked to her about this yet.
She's totally Yeah, I was dead and then I'm alive,
and now he's no. The doctors don't know what's going on.
Poor Carol's sitting here going like, what is going on
after the fact? Yeah, but she is dealing with non
known at that point. Sure, and h nurse told her
it will be a couple out before the doctor comes back.
And girl goes, oh, so she waited, and she waiting
and waiting. The doctor came back and the doctor says.
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Speaker 2: I got the results back, and Carol says, well, what
are He goes there's nothing wrong. He's got a perfect brain.
There's no sign of anything anywhere. Sorry. And now Carol's
like excited doctors. I don't understand what's going on. They're
just flabbergasted. And Carol now is going through more anguisht
because she doesn't know how I got this brain back.
She doesn't know what's going on with the rest of stuff.
She knows you can't go down, what happens to your
organs and your body and functioning, and she's afraid again
that she may have to pull the life support. She
doesn't know this poor girl was going through. People look
at me and say, oh, you went through so much. No,
I was dead. I was all I did was die and.
Speaker 1: Get They had a nice goal.
Speaker 2: Walk around rat NiFe with Jesus in heaven and learn.
Speaker 1: Hang out with some horses and yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, how many people get to do that. And
she's down here every day going through unbelievable, horrible, horrible stuff.
And it was like twenty one days before Eve when
he would take me off the drugs and let me
come back awake. I mean, so for twenty one days,
I'm still in there on the ventilators and everything doesn't.
She doesn't know what's going on at this point. She
doesn't know I got a new brain. She doesn't know
what Jesus did. She didn't know I went to heaven.
It was twenty twenty I think it was twenty one
days that until I could open my eyes and talk
to her. And the sweetest words she ever said not
was I love you when we it was welcome back, baby,
and I will never forget oh, in the sweetest, softest voice.
And I saw her face and it was just like
her welcome back. And I'm going I can't even say
it that, I'd have to get her to say it.
I can't say it like her. It was unbelievable. But
yet she still didn't know what was going on. Of course,
now I got to tell her some things.
Speaker 1: But twenty one days before you woke up, they're doing tests. Oh,
your body is basically rebuilding itself or it's already being.
Speaker 2: No, it's being all rebuilding itself together. Yeah, that's my
new brain. Your brain is being it's restarting everything.
Speaker 1: Everything, all that bloating starting to RecA. That doesn't happen. No,
it doesn't, no, no, no, like when you have a
bloated body. Generally, and I'm not a doctor, but generally,
from what I understand, it doesn't go back to normal
without repercussions of some sort.
Speaker 2: I know a lot of doctors that don't know how
it happened to.
Speaker 1: So what are the doctors? What are the what? What
are the doctors? What does the hospital say? I mean,
I'm assuming that the word got out through the hospital.
Everybody was like.
Speaker 2: A miracle man, another miracle, miracle after miracle after miracle
here but number one, the doctors admit it. There is
nothing that we did. There's no medical explanation for this.
There's absolutely no way, there is no question a miracle.
And they don't like it many met.
Speaker 1: Of course, But as as someone said, they will not
be able to deny to deny it, and they can't now.
Speaker 2: When I was in heaven, Jesus gave me a message
to give to the doctors, and uh, I mean he's
he's not going to miss a chance. And uh, of
course I'm out of the hospital now. And uh, it
was like thirty days. Thirty one days is when I
finally let me, They finally let me go. Oh and
the track I had a big hole like this and
I had to go and talk like this and everything
else because all that was all cut out when they
they said they're getting ready to take me let me
go home. And I thought I was going to go
out and have the thing flap over it and everything else.
And they said, well, we're going to they take this
track out of here, and and you know you'll have
this hole and you know, they put a flap on
it and talk and you know, and you got to
make sure you keep it clean and every you know,
covered and everything. It's fine. So they took it out
that nine, about eighty eight thirty, and they were going
to let me go the next the next next day. Well,
then they took it out the next day. The they
come in and the doc comes in to check it,
and he said, right, let's remove the band and said
they took the band. It's all off and removed everything
and good old night. They loves, scooting back on their chair.
Excuse me back again, he goes. So he goes, when
did when did they take this? I said, last nine
about eight thirty. Is you're talking? Said, yeah, I'm talking.
Speaker 1: He goes, that's not possible.
Speaker 2: It's totally healed. That hole in my neck this baby.
Speaker 1: So can you show people in the audience like there
is there's there's nothing, there is no nothing, yeah, I
mean nothing.
Speaker 2: No, And that overnight, like in twelve thirteen hours, that
haul with everything's.
Speaker 1: Not having a scar. No, I don't even see his car.
Speaker 2: No. Oh, I've been in front of the places talking
with the doctors and stuff and the and go look
where And they kept looking at me and go, what
are you looking? You know, they were looking for his car.
There's no scar. There should be a big old round
hole scar. No, there's nothing. It healed overnight. Just shoot. Look,
you couldn't get a scratch to heel overnight, of course,
but Jesus came. Yeah, of course, one miracle after another.
He said, I'll make you as if nothing happened, and
he did. And I obviously don't collect this to talk.
I talked just as normal as talking can, as normal
as normal could be. So I get out of the
hospital and it's about two weeks. I knew I had
to go back and talk to the doctors really quickly.
Speaker 1: When you were getting out of the hospital, you're one
hundred percent at this point, Uh, you're walking.
Speaker 2: Oh no, it took a day. Yeah, I was still
walking good day. Yeah, yeah, yeah I was. I was walking.
I wasn't running, but yeah, no, but your body was,
Oh yeah, my body was.
Speaker 1: You're how far away from where you are right now?
Were you when you left?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Because you walk now your normal, you're healthy? Was it
a few days after that.
Speaker 2: Or maybe a couple of weeks because what we did
was I had to build my muscle strength up and
sure I was walking to normal and stuff.
Speaker 1: But you needed some rehab.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I used a walker for about a day and
got rid of that. Uh, just be steady and stuff.
But we would take Carol would take me in the
walk and we would go to like the Academy or
Walmart and we'd walk through the big aisles with that
and we'd walk through there to build my strength up
because it's air conditioned.
Speaker 1: Of course, as I was in Texas. I also live
in Texas.
Speaker 2: So we would go to the here one day and
we go to another one the next day. The otherwise
I think this old guy is walking through it and
keep walking the aisles and he might be up to something,
you know, so.
Speaker 1: Well, whatever he's up to, he's not going to move
very fast out of there.
Speaker 2: So yeah, well that wasn't the case anymore, because yeah, no,
and then I came I recovered very very quickly. And
between now and then and now, I'll nothing. I was playing.
I was playing the golf a month and a half later.
Speaker 1: And so so you're and just everybody knows. This happened
about a year and change.
Speaker 2: Ago, one year, four months. It was May twenty third,
May nineteenth, last year, twenty twenty four. I died May
twenty third, twenty twenty four. I came back. This is now,
It's not that long. Yeah, I was. I was already
going to talk to people a month after I was out.
Speaker 1: So what did your wife say when you when you
told her this elaborate story of the other side.
Speaker 2: She was very accepting of it. She under she understood.
I mean, it's just like, how can you deny it?
Speaker 1: How about the family, Well, this is a this is
a big.
Speaker 2: A lot of friends and a lot of family. I mean,
they they they're all in astoundman.
Speaker 1: It's been built a swallow. But there's proof, that's the
whole thing. There's proof.
Speaker 2: It's like in the book, we put copies of some
of the medical records in there, so they know, yes,
this guy did flop on he was dead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is all documented.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this isn't like I died at home and said
I was dead or in an ambulance and they had
a lot of witnesses. There's a lot of proof, a
lot of proof.
Speaker 1: I mean the blood type of.
Speaker 2: Loanst we got MRIs. I mean, come on, yeah, I
mean the doctors didn't admit it was a miracle and
that there's nothing they could do because they couldn't do anything.
That's just yeah, it was an end for them. That
was Yeah, they were all all of them wanted to do.
They got to picture me up on a refrigerator, was
the one you want to one that that just doesn't happen.
But Carol and I knew I had to go back.
I said, I got a message I got to give
to the doctors. Well, if you ever tried to get
twenty five doctors and nurses together at one time, and
that will listen to you that are in the ICU,
forget it.
Speaker 1: Yeah good luck. Yeah, well that happened for you.
Speaker 2: That's what we figured too.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, I said, well, we we're gonna do is We're
going to get a couple of big bouquets and we're
going to take it one up to the nursing staff
over here, and we're going to take another one into
the ICU. Well, you're not supposed to bring flowers into
the ICU, nothing in the ICU. Of course, we did anyway,
and we took a walker with wheels that I had
and we weren't using, but we put the flowers because
it's a huge bouquet. And we pushed that in because
it was too too big, too massive. Yeah, and we
had two of them, so we delivered one and we
we take the other one. We go up to the
ICU and there automatical doors open, automatically.
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Speaker 2: So we were going to leave these and made it a
really nice letter to them, thanking them and everything, you know,
And the doors opened and walks this old guy, me
and Carol, and we walked in and right in front
of the nursing station. They had no idea where coming.
We just picked the day it random to go, when
the flowers got ready, actually, and right in front of
the nursing station and the ICU, we're twenty five doctors
and nurses, all standing in a circle waiting for you. No, no,
they weren't waiting it seems like. Yeah, but they had
a Joint Commission inspection that day, so the Joint Commission
inspector was there, and they were all there, gathered, just
getting ready to go on their rounds, all through the
whole place, of course. But I know why they were
really there, of course. I mean, what were the odds.
There's no odds you could even figure that out, number one.
And I walked in and they didn't even recognize me,
of course. And Carol went over here, and a bunch
of nurses over here, and she's over there talking to them,
and of course, and they were they were crying and said,
oh no, oh no, he's not back, and she go, yeah,
he's right here. What So I'm standing in front of
the doctors and everybody, and we put the flowers on
the things, and said, I stood in front of them
there looking at me, like trying to figure out who
is this guy that's bringing flowers in here, and why
is he looking at us? And I says, you know,
I said, I know that none of you recognized me,
and they're looking at me because last time they saw him,
our only time they saw me was tubes everywhere and
blowing up ahead, and a gown and hadn't shaved in
two or three weeks. Oh, I was a mess. And
I says, I was a gentleman that was in room
number seven right over there. On May nineteenth, I died
and they looked and their eyes got big white, I says,
and I'm the one that I'm twenty third of me
came back alive, and they went like, I said, Now,
what you all don't know? And I'm standing there now
Number one, I'm standing there talking to him like we're talking.
Speaker 1: That's still trying to process.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's still how was just getting away? No, no,
And you could see it going on in the wheels.
I says, what you don't know? I said. When I died,
I went to heaven and I met Jesus and I
was there and he gave me a message. In addition
to a lot of other things, he gave me a
message to give to each of you, and I'm here
to deliver it to you personally, and I did when
I got through there. Want a dry eye anywhere?
Speaker 1: Can you share the message? Or was it private for them?
Speaker 2: That was for them? Okay? Some of it was that
Jesus wanted them to know that he uses their hands
and their abilities to help perform his miracles. He says,
but you also have to understand that there's sometimes that
it's just not going to happen. It's not their time
to be there, and they are going to come home,
and they do pass. When they do, it's not through
anything that you did. It was just time and you can't. Yeah,
and he said, but you will continue in doing his
will and your abilities. He uses that and you could
see that just like wave of yeah, along with some
other things. And uh uh, they were just like flabbering us.
And then we walked through. And then of course now
physical therapists physical not physical people help you breathing. I
don't even know what to call it. I'm not a doctor.
H chaplains and everybody else, and they were going like
even a chaplain, we were here to give last rights,
you know, I mean, they just have never seen anything
like this. And of course I've recognized and everybody that
was in the ICU. I recognized the guy that was
giving me the CPR who broke my ribs, and I said, Hollie, oh,
I shouldn't use his name, I said, you do, the
one who broke my ribs? And he goes, how do
you know that? I said, because because they don't put
any of that. They don't want you to know.
Speaker 1: Of course, they.
Speaker 2: Don't want you to even know who was in there.
Of course, and h I explained to him, and it
was just like they were just flabbergasted. But heaven is
just so phenomenal.
Speaker 1: So Robert, as you've come back, now, your family, your friends,
this is a big pill to swallow, but there is
a lot of proof behind it. How has it been
kind of acclimating back now with all of this knowledge,
with all of this experience, walking the earth has to
be a bit different now it's a slight bit. How
have you been able to acclimate to that? And how
have people around you acclimated to the new Robert? Because
this is not the Robert that left No.
Speaker 2: Number One. I guess I don't really think about or
worry about what other people are thinking anymore. It took
them a minute, as it were, to accept because they
were all quite candy on my brothers. They were all
prepared to bury me. I mean, they knew what happened
because they were all fore you know, and they were like, well.
Speaker 1: Your brothers, what did your brothers?
Speaker 2: What are the things?
Speaker 1: Oh, they know you for the longest.
Speaker 2: So yeah, well after after, like I said, it took
him a minute, but then they realized that I don't
even talk the same way. I am not and the
people that we know that around us, that knew me before,
you're not the same person. I said, No, I'm not,
and it's truly I'm not before. I hate to say
this as a very obstinate, arrogant, self serving individual. I
don't even know how I liked me. I don't know how.
My wife put it in an Angelah, Yeah that's true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've established that.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I mean when I look back on it now,
I know what it was like, and I'm going like, wow,
you should.
Speaker 1: Watch a movie. This is a movie that might help,
like kind of fill you in. It's an older movie
from the nineties called Regarding Henry with Harrison Ford and
Annette Benning, where he was a kind of an a
whole attorney.
Speaker 2: That's a good word. I didn't want to use that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, attorney. And then he had an accident and
he had some sort of amnesia, and when he came
back he was kind, and he was a very powerful
doctor and a very you know, he had a family,
but they all kind of feared him and they thought
he was an a hole and all of this stuff.
But when he comes back, he comes back kind, and
it's everybody around them like, how do they deal with
this new version of this person. It's a beautiful movie.
I think you would enjoy it.
Speaker 2: That's that's pretty much. Well. I was gonna it's kind
of like that, right, I have to see that. But yeah,
it's like, you know, even to people, and we've talked
to people and I've gone back and I said, you know,
I don't even know how you He said, well, you know,
you were you, you know, and we just you know,
you were a bit of a And I said, yeah,
I know. But even they have said, you're knowing nothing
like that person, and I'm not. I was very very forceful.
I was competitive. I had to beat you at anything
we played. I don't care it was golf, it was
whether it was monopoly or car I didn't care. I
had to not just beat you, but just dominate demoralize you. Wow,
I mean it was you were an a. I was
was a That's not saying that proudly I was. I
was not somebody that you.
Speaker 1: Wanted to be friends with or even around.
Speaker 2: No, I was. I had acquaintances.
Speaker 1: You didn't have friends.
Speaker 2: I had. I had friends, but not like you know, Oh,
this is just there was there was. I was an ahole.
That's a really good way to put it. Yeah, but
kind not a chance.
Speaker 1: So all of So that's another thing that really must
have been a shock to the system for the people
that knew you, is that this person is not the
same person. This is a much kinder, gentler, loving individual.
Where the other guy was an a hole. I got
him like even. I mean, I'm assuming your wife loved you, obviously,
I guess. I mean obviously she loved you. But this
is a different version of Robert for her as well.
Speaker 2: It absolutely is.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming she likes this new version.
Speaker 2: I think she does. Yeah, I hope she does, because
I'm not going back to the other one. Yeah, it's
it's I like this version.
Speaker 1: I do too, Robert. Oh, I haven't met the other one.
I don't want to meet the.
Speaker 2: Other you know, you don't. And that's something that nobody
ever would tell me, ever told me before. Never, I
never felt kind and gentle, compassionate, competitive wise, I don't
even care anymore. I could play golf and I don't
even have to keep score. I don't care. I'm just
gonna play have fun. Yeah, I started enjoying things that
I never got that really enjoyed before. It was I
thought I was, but I wasn't because I wasn't filled
with love. I was filled with dominate. I'm no.
Speaker 1: So you don't have a fear of death anymore?
Speaker 2: Absolutely none, none, none, whatever. I know that I know that,
I know that I know where I'm going, and I
know what's waiting.
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Speaker 2: And I know that he's going to use me until
it's time to go. It's time to go, And I
could live another one hundred years. I tell people I'm
either seventy six or I'm one and a half.
Speaker 1: Well, you've been reborn essentially literally literally reborn, rebuilt from
the scratch, but you just happen to have seventy six
years of memories in your experience.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I have the ability to understand truly what
is miant when he says he comes to dwelling you
and we let him. I understand what it means to
love and to do everything out of love. I understand
that at a deep level, more than I would ever
ever deem even possible for me to know.
Speaker 1: So how do you navigate this world? I've asked this
for other near death experiences, because once you understand what's
waiting for you, this world is very different. Yes, it is,
you know, dealing with people, dealing with situations, dealing with
just life. You know, taxes and this or that or
whatever it is. It must seem trite to you almost
to deal with this kind of stuff knowing where you've been.
I mean, you've hung out with Jesus in heaven. You know,
you're walking around up there, and you understand things at
a much deeper level than you did before. How do
you kind of just navigate life now? I love to
hear it.
Speaker 2: It's it's easy. Before it was difficult because we let
things stress us out. I don't get stressed out about anything.
I don't have any world. I don't have anything. Everything
pails in comarison, that's true. I mean I don't. I
don't worry about things. I don't need to do that.
I I can't understand why you ever. But he's not
happy all the time. You know. My wife says, I says, okay.
She didn't smile, and she says, I don't need to
be happy all the time. I said, well, yeah you do.
I'm appreciative of everything. You see. Before I would look
at taxes and go and you're right, or i'd look
at having to do some tasks.
Speaker 1: No taxes in heaven, right, no tax Okay, good, thank you.
Just want to make sure.
Speaker 2: Okay, Now I look at it, and I know it's
a blessing now to get to do taxes. It's a
blessing that I have to pay tax It's a blessing
that I have the need to fill out that I
owe taxes. And it's okay because you give it Caesar,
what's do caeeson? That's all right. We'll give it to
them because that helps us. I you know, and it happens,
it's going to be. It's a natural thing. Why get
worried about don't need to worry about it.
Speaker 1: You're just happy to You're just happy to be playing
the game.
Speaker 2: Essentially, I'm happy for this glass of water. I haven't
used it yet. In fact, I better take a drink
I'll follow you, but that I walk around thanking God
every day for everything that I do. I drive down
your just thank you for not letting me catch that
light red, thank you for letting me walk through it.
I'm thankful for a walk everything because everything comes from Him.
And if we do that, if we truly understand that,
we don't have any work to do. See, And that's
the thing, and this has to do with faith. One
of the things that Jesus wants us to understand is
this that when we accept him, when we do understand
and we believe in him, that one thing to do
to believe in the one he sent that was it.
Now The ironic thing that Jesus shared with me is this,
he says. That's all there is. I made this simple,
he says. I said, all those are burden and weary
and heavy laden, come to me, Come upon me, and
I will give you rest. Take my yoke. I will
give you rest. I'm going to put you to work.
Believing in Him gives you that rest because he dwells
in you. And then everything is done out of love
and understanding that love equates to that. And if it's
not being done out of that, then you're trying to
do things out of the world. Anything not out of
love is contrary to love, and that's of the world
and satan. So you can separate the two real easy.
But back to faith, he says, believe in the one
that God has sent. That's God's works. All the works
he has you do, he says, and that is through faith,
and that not of your own, it's of his. So
he gives you the faith because you can't do anything.
No works will get you into heaven. Makes no difference.
But here's the ironic thing. The only works that God
will require of you are before you become a Christian
and believe in Him, before you're saved, because it takes
those works before you're saved to believe in him. You
have to do that here through the faith that He
gave you. But those works are done without believing in Him.
It takes those works. And then once you do that believe,
then he says, everything else is not work. You can
still go help the poor, help the needy, do this,
do that, do good things, but you're not doing it
out of guilt or obligation or out of trying to
get your way into heaven. There's no works that can
get you into heaven. That isn't the way it works.
You have to believe. And that's available to anybody anywhere, anytime.
Speaker 1: So Robert, where can people find out more about their
book and the works that you're doing right now?
Speaker 2: Sure, you can go to forty four Hours in heavenministries
dot org. Hopefully you put it on there later for
them to find of course. Yeah, so you go to
forty four Hours in Heaven Ministries org and the books
on there for sale is in paperback?
Speaker 1: Is it an Amazon or just said no.
Speaker 2: It's not an Amazon. We're totally self published because we
use the money that from that goes into the ministry.
We're a five oh one C three, so all the
money goes to them. I don't take the money goes
there and help the further the ministry that we can
go around and talk and spread his word. That's it
goes in there. We have the paperback, we have it
in audiobook, we have it in ebook, we have it
on a set of four CDs. Uh and it just
this is has some questions in the back. We tell
everybody that on the website there's a place for comments
and questions. You can ask whatever question you want, and
we'll get those answered. We don't get back as fast
as some people like, but we do try. So what
we do now too is we also do podcasts where
I'll take the questions and we'll answer those questions on
a podcast and we play those so that people can
not only from their question getting answered, but other people's questions.
But we literally have thousands, so it's trying to get
those done. Some that are more personal we don't put
on there, and those I kind of answer right away,
but through emails and so on, but they can get
it on the website. We also have an app coming
out that's called forty four Hours in Heaven. It'll be
on your iPhone and your Android phone. You go to
the app stores and you'll be able to go to
forty four hours and have an app, and on that
we'll have an audiobook that they can listen to for
free at that point, and we also have podcasts that
will be on there. And we're doing Christian music. One
of the other miracles that he gave me is Jesus
wants told me that prayer through song and music is
one of the purest forms of prayer that you can
have because the music gets into your soul and your
heart and emits it and you hum these tunes and
stuff like that. That's just the way it is he gave.
Prior to this happening, I didn't have an idea what
a chorus was, a note was. I used to tease
people if I sang in church, they'd ask me to leave,
and they probably would have. I didn't know a thing
about music nothing. He gave me the ability to write
songs that he gives me the words, they're all inspired
by him, except for some country ones that we've done
as well, but you gotta have some fun. But the
ability to write the songs, arrange the songs, write the
music for the songs, compose it, direct it, produce it,
from here to there, the complete everything. Robert, it has.
Speaker 1: Been a pleasure having you on the show. And this
is an amazing story and I hope it does reach
a lot of people out there and inspires them to
have a little faith in the other side and everything
that we're doing here. I appreciate you and everything you're
doing to help awaken this planet. So thank you for
being here.
Speaker 2: Man. It was truly my honor, my blessing to be here,
and I Thank you. You're a fabulous host. I mean
you can ask questions and get me to get answers.
Speaker 1: Robert, it has been a pleasure, my friend.
Speaker 2: Thank you again, thank you.
Speaker 1: I'd like to thank Robert so much for coming on
the show and sharing his story with all of us.
If you want to get links to anything we spoke
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