Speaker 1: Okay, So Roswell nineteen forty seven, right, Rancher debris in
a field. The military is like, hey, flying disc and
then like super quick nope, weather balloon. Sorry, Like over
seventy years later and we're still talking about it. What
really happened out there in the New Mexico desert. So
we've got eyewitness accounts, official reports, even that a crazy
FBI memo. It's just what is it, like a puzzle
box history and speculation all mixed together.
Speaker 2: It's the context though, that really gets me. Cold War tension,
everyone's on edge, and then bam, this thing happens that
seems like, I don't know, straight out of a comic book.
I mean, people were ready to believe in the unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Oh totally. So we start with rancher Mac Brazil finds
all this weird stuff on his land, not just like
you know, normal junkets like metal, but like super light
bends back into shape, not your average what fence post
right exactly.
Speaker 2: And that's when Major Jesse Marcel comes in, right, Intelligence
Officer Roswell Army Airfield, So he knows what's what, you know,
checks it out, gathers up some pieces.
Speaker 1: And then I mean, boom, flying disc. The base announces
it like can you imagine what that did to people?
Speaker 2: And it's almost like they wanted everyone to think flying
saucers were real.
Speaker 1: Yeah, at least for a little bit or a hot minute. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But then like total flip flop, right, they take it back,
weather balloon. What happened there? What's going on behind the scenes?
Speaker 1: So General Remy he has this press conference, shows off
some stuff he says is from the weather balloon. But
here's the thing, it doesn't sound anything like what Brazil
describe it. First ye, then you have like Brazil Marcel,
they start changing their stories. Oh come on, it feels like, okay,
maybe this wasn't just a whoopsie. Maybe they're trying to,
you know, manage the message.
Speaker 2: It does make you wonder. Yeah, But then years go
buy and like boom again, new explanation. This time it's
a Project Mogul.
Speaker 1: The Air Force is saying the stuff was from this
super secret program high altitude balloons watching the Soviets, you know,
nuclear stuff. So are they saying, like ooped, we accidentally
told everyone about flying saucers.
Speaker 2: So this is where compartmentalization is really important. Like the
military was so secretive that people working on the same
project they wouldn't even know what each other were doing.
No way, seriously, So some people could have really thought
it was something, you know, alien, They just wouldn't know
the whole picture.
Speaker 1: Okay, so not lying, just like super in the dark.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: But there's a big snag with this whole Project Mogul thing.
It started six years after Roswell? Six years. How do
they explain that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the That's the head scratcher, isn't it. It
definitely throws some shade on the whole Project Mogul idea
and those witness stories, even if they change a bit,
they keep describing something much weirder than a weather balloon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, way weirder, right, Like.
Speaker 2: They're trying to jam a round peg in a square
hole or something, and it keeps going. Nineteen ninety seven,
the Roswell report case close. The Air Force tries again.
This time it's crash test dummies.
Speaker 1: Crash test dummies. How do those get involved in all this?
Speaker 2: They're saying the alien bodies people talk about, maybe those
were just dummies from these high altitude parachute tests Operation
High Dive. They call it. Sounds kind of reasonable until
you look closer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm noticing a trend here. What's the issue this time?
Speaker 2: Well, same as before. Operation High Dive didn't start until
years after Roswell. Like they're just grasping at straws.
Speaker 1: You know, like anything to make the alien thing go
away exactly.
Speaker 2: And the dummies they used, those were six feet tall.
People describing the bodies they're saying much smaller, like child sized.
Speaker 1: It's like they're making this story even weirder by trying
to explain it away. At this point, I'm more interested
in what the witnesses had to say than what their
reports say. Who are some of the big names that
have kept this Roswell thing alive for so long.
Speaker 2: You got Jesse Marcel of course and his son. They
said they looked at the debris firsthand. And there's Colonel
Thomas de Boss he later admitted the weather balloon story
was well made up.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And then you have this mortician Glenn Dennis. He said
he got these weird requests for small caskets and saw
some strange debris at the local hospital too wild.
Speaker 1: So you got all these people, different jobs, different levels
of involvement, but their stories kind of line up in places.
What are some things they all say, even with the
changes and you know, memories fading over time.
Speaker 2: The debris, how they described it, that's pretty consistent, super
light but tough, like nothing they'd ever seen. Trumple it up,
it bounces right back. Not your usual tinfoil or weather
balloon material.
Speaker 1: Definitely not a few people like Jesse marself, they even
talked about these symbols or markings on this stuff, like
almost like hieroglyphics, but you know, nobody recognized them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes me wonder where it came from.
Speaker 1: Right, And then of course the bodies. The descriptions change
a bit, but a lot of them say small human
cheap figures were found at the site. Doesn't really sound
like crash test dummies, does it, not?
Speaker 2: Really?
Speaker 1: No, those little details that stick with you that make
Broswell's so fascinating, Like, even if some stories are messed
up by time or influenced by other stuff, there's a
core there, a sort of observations that's hard to just ignore.
Speaker 2: Thinking about those witnesses though, I wonder what this whole
experience did to them, you know, seeing something that couldn't explain,
then being told to keep quiet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's got to be rough. Some of them, like
Jesse Marcel, they wanted to talk about it at first,
but then pressure threats. You know, the whole nine.
Speaker 2: Yards classic whistleblower situation exactly.
Speaker 1: You know what they know, but they're scared of what
might happen if they say anything.
Speaker 2: Tough spot to be in, and think about the time
period back then, talking about UFOs that wasn't exactly.
Speaker 1: Uh cool, Yeah, you'd be the laughing stocks.
Speaker 2: Maybe some people they just kept quiet to avoid that,
you know, could be it's like we're missing pieces of
the puzzle, and some of the ones we have they
might be distorted. How do we even approach this stuff
with like a critical but open mind. How do we
separate the bs from the things that might actually point
to something well extraordinary. It's tricky, you know, you gotta
be careful, but you also got to be willing to
accept that maybe just maybe there's more going on than
we know.
Speaker 1: Right, missing puzzle pieces, some don't fit quite right. We
got to analyze, look for patterns and what people say,
think about the context. The whole shebang.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and speaking of context, that brings us to that
FBI memo from nineteen fifty adds another layer of intrigue.
Speaker 1: Let's say that's the one that talks about three flying saucers, right,
each with three small human shaped bodies inside.
Speaker 2: That's the one.
Speaker 1: It blows the weather balloon and dummy theories right out
of the water.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does. And it's not just some random rumor.
It's an official FBI document. Gives it some.
Speaker 1: Weight, Yeah, big time, more questions than answers. But it
does make you wonder if there's more stuff like that
out there, locked away somewhere in a government fault.
Speaker 2: Oh definitely. So Okay, we've looked at the evidence, the explanations,
the speculation. What are we supposed to think was Oswell
a real alien encounter, a massive government cover up, or
something else? Entirely? Are we any closer to the truth
after all this time?
Speaker 1: That's the big question, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And honestly, I don't think there's an easy answer.
Roswell is still a mystery, a story that doesn't fit
into any neat little box. It's a puzzle with missing pieces,
a mystery that keeps us hooked because it speaks to
something deep inside us. You know, that curiosity about the
universe and where we fit into it.
Speaker 1: Maybe the fact that we don't know for sure, that's
part of what makes it so interesting. We can fill
in the blanks ourselves with our own ideas about what happened.
Speaker 2: It's like a roar shock test. We see what we
want to see in Roswell, whether that's proof of aliens,
a government conspiracy, or just a reminder that we don't
know everything.
Speaker 1: And maybe that's okay. Maybe it's the search for the truth,
the questioning, the exploring, that's what keeps us going, keeps
us thinking, keeps that spirit of discovery alive, makes us
think about how big the universe is and how much
we don't know. Even if we never really figure out
what happened at Roswell. It's like everywhere you know, movies, TV, books,
our whole fascination with aliens, it's kind of tied up
with Roswell.
Speaker 2: It's become this legend. Almost every generation seems to find
something new in it, adds their own take on the story.
Roswell's not just history anymore. It's like part of our culture.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for sure, Like the X Files. Remember that
every week waiting to see if they'd finally like crack
the code on government secrets and aliens like Roswell gave
us permission to believe even if we couldn't prove.
Speaker 2: It, And it's like the blueprint for every UFO story. Now,
anything weird happens in the sky Boom Roswell comparison, it's
the measuring stick for all these extraterrestrial claims.
Speaker 1: But it goes beyond just the event, right, Roswell equals
cover up, Like the truth is out there, but they're
hiding it.
Speaker 2: From us exactly. It's fueled this whole world of like
UFO hunters, conspiracy folks, all trying to find the real story.
It speaks to this I don't know ooh. This feeling
that we can't trust what we're being told makes.
Speaker 1: You wonder if the government, even if they were just
trying to keep things calm, actually made things worse. All
that secrecy in changing stories just made people more suspicious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a classic example of how not being transparent can
really backfire. But even beyond the conspiracies, it makes you think,
why are we so drawn to these stories in the
first place. What is it about aliens the unknown that
grabs us like that?
Speaker 1: It's that big question, right, or we alone. I think
there's the science part, wanting to understand, you know, where
we fit in, But it's more than that. It's that
sense of wonder, looking for something beyond the every day.
Speaker 2: There's something almost like spiritual about it. Aliens, they make
us rethink who we are, our place in everything. The
universe is huge, and maybe what we know is just
this tiny little part of something much bigger, more complicated
than we can imagine.
Speaker 1: It puts things in perspective. You know, our problems here
seem kind of small compared to all that reminds us
how much we don't know, how much there is to expl.
Speaker 2: And maybe it's comforting to think we're not alone. Right
somewhere out there, among all those stars and galaxies, there
are other beings asking the same questions, dealing with the
same stuff. We're connected to something bigger than ourselves.
Speaker 1: It's like we're looking for a connection, a sense of belonging,
but on a cosmic scale. We want to be part
of something bigger, more meaningful than just you know, our
little corner of the universe.
Speaker 2: Right and Roswell, with all its mystery and unanswered questions.
It's like a springboard for those thoughts we can project
our hopes, our fears, our beliefs about the universe onto it.
Speaker 1: So maybe even if we never know for sure what
happened in New Mexico all those years ago, Roswell has
given us something even better, a story that makes us think,
makes us question, and keeps us looking up at the
stars with a sense of I don't know possibility.
Speaker 2: It's a legacy that goes way beyond that one event.
It reminds us to keep learning, to question what we're told,
to explore the unknown. That's how we grow as people
and as you know, a species about staying curious, not
taking things for granted, and holding onto that sense of wonder.
Speaker 1: Couldn't said it better myself. So next time you see
a shooting star or look up at the night sky,
think about Roswell, Think about that rancher, the debris, the
different stories, the mystery, and ask yourself, what do you
believe