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<v Speaker 1>I grew up in Colorado and I'm a proud member

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<v Speaker 1>of the Muscalero Apache tribe. I grew up hunting elk, deer,

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<v Speaker 1>and bear in the mountains, but I've had the privilege

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<v Speaker 1>of hunting all over the United States. I served eight

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<v Speaker 1>years as an infantryman in the US Army, and I

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<v Speaker 1>have three tours in the box. I've seen all sorts

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<v Speaker 1>of things that would be hard to explain for anyone,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'd like to focus this letter on the events

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<v Speaker 1>that happened right here in my home state. Growing up

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<v Speaker 1>as a backcountry hunter and fishermen, I always strive to

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<v Speaker 1>get off the beaten path. Our elk camp is a

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<v Speaker 1>six mile walk, and we hunt even further than that.

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<v Speaker 1>My father and grandfather had a lot of stories that

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<v Speaker 1>we would talk about around the woodstove in our outfitter tent,

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<v Speaker 1>and I would hang on to every word of the

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<v Speaker 1>stories because I thought that's just what they were stories

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<v Speaker 1>until I got older. One story that sticks out was

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<v Speaker 1>one about a cow elk my grandfather shot in a snowstorm.

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<v Speaker 1>Grandpa hid her a little further back in the body

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<v Speaker 1>than he would have liked, and she ran aways before

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<v Speaker 1>they even picked up a blood trail, so they gave

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<v Speaker 1>her some time to die. It was easy to track

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<v Speaker 1>in the fresh powder, though. They followed the tracks four

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<v Speaker 1>hundred yards through the scrub oaks into the back of

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<v Speaker 1>a drainage, where they found the end print in the

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<v Speaker 1>shape of an elk, and the tracks stopped. What they

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<v Speaker 1>saw there scared the hell out of my grandfather. There

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<v Speaker 1>were big tracks with long strides that looked like something

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<v Speaker 1>walking in bare feet, coming down the ridge and onto

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<v Speaker 1>the shelf, and then they went back up the ridge.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever this thing was, it had taken the elk and

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<v Speaker 1>carried it back up the ridge. And that's one of

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<v Speaker 1>my grandfather's stories. But here's mine. I was hunting with

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<v Speaker 1>my father five miles from where the last story took place.

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<v Speaker 1>My father was a retired recon marine scout sniper. He

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<v Speaker 1>was a Vietnam vet as well as a veteran of

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<v Speaker 1>desert storm and other conflicts. The third day of the hunt,

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<v Speaker 1>we walked into a large draw. The dad went up

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<v Speaker 1>into the black timber and then eventually broke out into

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<v Speaker 1>a large boulder field on top. I went up the

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<v Speaker 1>other side that overlooked a large meadow surrounded by aspen

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<v Speaker 1>and I could see my father one hundred yards from

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<v Speaker 1>the top of the ridge and a thousand yards from me.

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<v Speaker 1>As the crow flies, he was three hundred feet above

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<v Speaker 1>my elevation. Later in the day, I was daydreaming, not

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<v Speaker 1>really paying attention to my surroundings, when I heard a

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<v Speaker 1>thump to my left, and then I heard the report

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<v Speaker 1>of a rifle. Well. I instantly came out of the

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<v Speaker 1>days that I was in and I started looking around frantically.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought someone was shooting at me. And then there

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<v Speaker 1>was another thump. This time I saw the round hit

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<v Speaker 1>the ground in the same spot. I looked through my

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<v Speaker 1>rifle scope at my dad, who was still in the

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<v Speaker 1>same spot, and he was pointing to my left. I

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<v Speaker 1>looked over that way and I froze. Fifty yards away

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<v Speaker 1>and up that endcline stood a sasquatch. Dad watched it

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<v Speaker 1>come in on me. I never noticed it. It was

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<v Speaker 1>covered in black and reddish hair, and it looked at

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<v Speaker 1>me with a young and curious face with beautiful amber

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<v Speaker 1>colored eyes. It was most certainly a female, standing seven

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<v Speaker 1>feet tall. She was staring right at me, not in

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<v Speaker 1>a threatening way. Maybe she had never seen a person.

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<v Speaker 1>We stared at one another for a while, and she

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<v Speaker 1>would watch my movements, turning and cocking her head. She

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<v Speaker 1>was mimicking me. I finally backed away down the draw

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<v Speaker 1>and I met my father at the trail. We didn't

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<v Speaker 1>talk about it much, but when I asked him why

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't shoot her, he said he wasn't sure his

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<v Speaker 1>seven mag had the power that it would take to

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<v Speaker 1>put her down in her tracks, that he wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>draw my attention to the creature while he had her

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<v Speaker 1>in his scope. If she had made an aggressive mood

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<v Speaker 1>towards me, he had my back. But instead of shooting

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<v Speaker 1>and seeing that she seemed none threatening, he just watched

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<v Speaker 1>through the scope as we interacted. I grew up along

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<v Speaker 1>the banks of the Wabash River, and even though I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a female, I was a bit of a tomboy. I

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<v Speaker 1>spent a lot of days by myself fishing and hunting

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<v Speaker 1>in the woods across from my house that was about

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<v Speaker 1>a block from the river. I'd wander all through the

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<v Speaker 1>woods and along the deer trails, looking and listening for

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<v Speaker 1>critters or animals. Sometimes I'd just sit on the banks

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<v Speaker 1>and watch the waterflow by watching the cranes on the

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<v Speaker 1>sandbars et cetera. And one day I saw a pair

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<v Speaker 1>of beaver there floating on their backs like they were

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<v Speaker 1>so happy with not a care in the world. Do

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<v Speaker 1>beavers do that? Do beavers float on their backs? I

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<v Speaker 1>guess they do. I've never seen one do it. I

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<v Speaker 1>was very quiet so as not to scare them away,

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<v Speaker 1>and they played there for ten minutes and then moved on.

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<v Speaker 1>So to me, being in the woods or along the river, heck,

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<v Speaker 1>even swimming in it almost daily was a common thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I never did see or feel anything out of the

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<v Speaker 1>way in all the years growing up down there, not

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<v Speaker 1>until several years later. It was somewhere around nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 1>six or thereabout, when I lived in the same house,

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<v Speaker 1>our old homestead, and I had a family of my

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<v Speaker 1>own that I saw them. At the time that this

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<v Speaker 1>encounter happened, my husband and three kids were inside watching

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<v Speaker 1>TV after we'd eat and supper. I cleaned up the

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<v Speaker 1>kitchen and then told my husband that I'd be back

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<v Speaker 1>in to watch TV with them all, but that I

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<v Speaker 1>had to get the laundry in off the clothesline first

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<v Speaker 1>and fold it and put it away. That's how I

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<v Speaker 1>did things back then, because even though we had a

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<v Speaker 1>clothes dryer. I liked the fresh smell of clothes that

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<v Speaker 1>had been hung on the clothesline. Back then, we used

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<v Speaker 1>to burn our trash in an old fifty five gallon

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<v Speaker 1>used barrel out back in the alley after supper, so

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<v Speaker 1>as I started to go outside, I told the kids

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<v Speaker 1>to get that chore done. As I was taking the

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<v Speaker 1>clothes down from the clothesline, it was summertime and it

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<v Speaker 1>was warm outside. As usual, the two oldest kids didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to burn the trash, so they told the youngest

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<v Speaker 1>one to do it. He was seven years old and

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<v Speaker 1>I was close by, so I wasn't worried about him

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<v Speaker 1>lighting the trash. This kid was smart too. He was

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<v Speaker 1>a great kid and very reliable. Even so I still

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<v Speaker 1>watched him closely. I forgot to mention that the park

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<v Speaker 1>was on the next block to the south of my house,

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<v Speaker 1>and it had toys for kids to play on, a

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<v Speaker 1>boat dock, and a baseball diamond in which many teams played.

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<v Speaker 1>This baseball park was complete with a red block concession

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<v Speaker 1>stand in which they had all kinds of goodies that

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<v Speaker 1>they made and sold there, such as sodas and pizzas

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<v Speaker 1>and hot dogs and such. Just all kinds of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>There were also two or three large metal barrels on

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<v Speaker 1>the side of the concession stand for people to throw

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<v Speaker 1>their trash and half eating food in. Let me say

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<v Speaker 1>here that these barrels of trash and half eating goodies

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<v Speaker 1>were facing my house to where I could see them

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<v Speaker 1>clearly from my backyard. I was taking my laundry down

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<v Speaker 1>off the clothes lines, and I had stripped the bedding

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<v Speaker 1>and had two lines full of sheets and light blankets

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<v Speaker 1>and pillowcases too, that were all moving and blowing in

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<v Speaker 1>the light wind. I was grabbing at the clothes trying

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<v Speaker 1>to take the clothes pins off and get them back

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<v Speaker 1>into the bag, when my youngest son, Shane, who was

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be burning the trash by the road, came

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<v Speaker 1>running up to me and he started yanking on my shirt.

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<v Speaker 1>He was scared and his eyes were big, and when

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<v Speaker 1>I looked at him, I said, what's the matter, and

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<v Speaker 1>he whispered to me with his finger to his mouth, shush, mom,

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<v Speaker 1>come here, come here with me. I want to show

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<v Speaker 1>you something, but you have to be real quiet. He

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<v Speaker 1>took my hand and he was shaking, and we walked

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<v Speaker 1>back down the alley road where We had been going

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<v Speaker 1>to light the trash when he stopped and whispered to

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<v Speaker 1>me and pointed to the concession stand, saying, look at them, Mommy,

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<v Speaker 1>what are those things? Well? I looked, and I froze

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<v Speaker 1>for a second, and I told him, in a hushed voice,

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<v Speaker 1>run in the house, hurry up, and tell your daddy

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<v Speaker 1>that there are two bigfoot out here. He did like

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<v Speaker 1>I told him, and I watched him for a second,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I looked back for the bigfoot. I remembered

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<v Speaker 1>my mother telling me about my grandfather seeing one of

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<v Speaker 1>these things years ago in a holler getting water from

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<v Speaker 1>his spring he had in the side of the hill.

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<v Speaker 1>But I never believed in them before, so when I

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<v Speaker 1>looked at these things, it was almost in disbelief. As

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<v Speaker 1>soon as I looked at them the second time, after

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<v Speaker 1>my son had left with the house, all sorts of

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<v Speaker 1>things were running through my mind, thinking that this was

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<v Speaker 1>not happening, that this was not real. And then I

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<v Speaker 1>pinched myself and oh, yes, it was real. They were

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<v Speaker 1>both huge, and they were covered in dark brown black hair,

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<v Speaker 1>and the largest one was all bent over, digging in

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<v Speaker 1>the metal barrels of trash of that concession stand. And

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<v Speaker 1>he was handing stuff out to the other one, who

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<v Speaker 1>I think was a female because she was smaller, I

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<v Speaker 1>could tell the big one was a male. And she says, lol,

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<v Speaker 1>and not from the obvious method, but rather from looking

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<v Speaker 1>at his face and the build of his body. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought she was gonna say something else. He was

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<v Speaker 1>way bigger than she was, and the muscles rippled, and

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<v Speaker 1>his arms and upper body were huge. But here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>When I looked at them both. This all happened in

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<v Speaker 1>a minute or so because he was so intent on

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<v Speaker 1>digging through those trash cans that they did not see

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<v Speaker 1>me until I opened up my mouth as I was

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<v Speaker 1>looking them, and I uttered, oh shit, they're real. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god. When I said that, he stood up and

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<v Speaker 1>locked eyes with me. I was looking him straight in

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<v Speaker 1>the face, even though I was probably a half a

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<v Speaker 1>block away, but my eyesight was sharp and very good,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was in my twenties at the time, but

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<v Speaker 1>I could see them both standing there now, And like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, he looked right at me and we locked eyes,

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<v Speaker 1>and my mind went wild, as I have stated, and

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<v Speaker 1>a thousand thoughts were running through my head. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's real. They're real. Oh, look at the size of

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<v Speaker 1>those things. How can this be? They really are real?

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<v Speaker 1>And then as I was looking in his eyes, I

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<v Speaker 1>thought to myself how much he looked like a human

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<v Speaker 1>right in the face. He didn't have scary eyes like

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<v Speaker 1>they say on TV, and he did not look like

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<v Speaker 1>an ape either. To me, he looked so much of

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<v Speaker 1>what I had heard of of the Neanderthal men. He

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<v Speaker 1>had human eyes, a human nose, and yes, his nose

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<v Speaker 1>was very large. His whole head and body was large.

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<v Speaker 1>But what I'm saying here is is that his nose

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<v Speaker 1>did not look or resemble an ape or a monkey's

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<v Speaker 1>now it looked like a human being's nose, although it

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<v Speaker 1>was a pretty good sized honker. The only thing that

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<v Speaker 1>was sort of out of place was his brow bone,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was very large and pronounced. And when he

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<v Speaker 1>looked at me, it was as though he had me

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<v Speaker 1>in some sort of a mental trance to where I

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<v Speaker 1>could not tear my eyes from his until he willed it.

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<v Speaker 1>of my eye. He still held my gaze, and she

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<v Speaker 1>her steps were huge too, by the way. As soon

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<v Speaker 1>before bedtime. And I must have been so rattled in

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<v Speaker 1>and I ran as fast as I could into the house,

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<v Speaker 1>and I threw down the basket and I locked the

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<v Speaker 1>and I ran into the living room where my husband

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<v Speaker 1>and two oldest kids were still watching TV. The youngest

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<v Speaker 1>one that had seen the Bigfoot too, was sitting there

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<v Speaker 1>on the couch, crying his little eyes out because he

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<v Speaker 1>said to me, Mommy, they wouldn't listen to me about

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<v Speaker 1>the bigfoot and they told me to shut up. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I asked my husband why he had not come outside,

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<v Speaker 1>and he told me that it was all just a

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<v Speaker 1>him and the other kids they just all laughed at

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<v Speaker 1>me and my youngest son. They tease Shane so bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Over the next few months that he completely blocked it

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<v Speaker 1>out of his memory, and he does not even remember

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<v Speaker 1>it now. But I'm a diehard, and they could not

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<v Speaker 1>make me forget what I had seen and not what

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<v Speaker 1>I had felt during this encounter. I know what I saw,

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<v Speaker 1>and I have never doubted it in all these forty

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<v Speaker 1>six years. My mind as clear as the bell still.

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<v Speaker 1>And this may go against many who say Bigfoot looks

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<v Speaker 1>like a gorilla, but the two that I saw didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>They looked just like what they call a hairy man,

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<v Speaker 1>and their hair was not around their eyes and nose,

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<v Speaker 1>because his nose looked like w. C. Fields. We moved

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<v Speaker 1>to the country even further out away from the river

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<v Speaker 1>back in nineteen ninety eight. But we have a little

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<v Speaker 1>creek in the woods behind our house now, and I

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<v Speaker 1>have seen tracks back there, lots of deer back there,

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<v Speaker 1>plenty of water, and my son Shane, has seen barefoot

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<v Speaker 1>tracks back by the creek. I cast one of those

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<v Speaker 1>footprints once with plaster of Paris, and the next morning

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<v Speaker 1>I was going back to get it and take it

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<v Speaker 1>up from the sand, and my grandson had already beaten

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<v Speaker 1>me to it, even though I gave him orders the

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<v Speaker 1>night before to leave it alone, that I would get

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<v Speaker 1>it the next morning when I was good and set up.

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<v Speaker 1>He got up early and went to get it anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>because he was almost twenty years old and that he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have to listen to me any longer. So there

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<v Speaker 1>he came with it in a plastic bag and he

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<v Speaker 1>handed it to me, and it was all broken up

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<v Speaker 1>in pieces. I had to throw it in the trash.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like throwing him in the trash, but you

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<v Speaker 1>know how that goes, lol, she says, and then she

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<v Speaker 1>winds up and says, thank you so much, Cam for

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<v Speaker 1>taking your time to read this, and if you'd like

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<v Speaker 1>to have and if you'd like, you have my permission

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<v Speaker 1>to tell this story if it meets your specifications. I

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<v Speaker 1>was introduced to the world of the paranormal when I

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<v Speaker 1>was five years old. I didn't understand it other than

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<v Speaker 1>I knew deep inside my gut that it was wrong

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<v Speaker 1>and terrifying. In two thousand and four, I had my

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<v Speaker 1>fifth daughter at the age of forty and so technically

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<v Speaker 1>all her sisters were really old enough that they could

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<v Speaker 1>pass as her mother. And when she was eight months old,

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<v Speaker 1>Laura had her first epileptic seizure. They're not what folks

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<v Speaker 1>think of when you say the word epilepsy. Laura will

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<v Speaker 1>make a choking sound and her eyes will roll back,

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<v Speaker 1>and she goes limp, becoming pale while her lips turned blue.

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<v Speaker 1>That we panic the first time we experienced one of

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<v Speaker 1>her seizures is a gross understatement. In twenty thirteen, we

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<v Speaker 1>moved from California to Arkansas for a more peaceful life.

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<v Speaker 1>We found a large, two story house built in the

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen hundreds that used to belong to the town doctor.

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<v Speaker 1>It was large and ramble, with pocket doors in the

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<v Speaker 1>parlor and a wraparound porch, and it was situated in

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<v Speaker 1>a beautiful, quaint old neighborhood. We knew it had recently

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<v Speaker 1>become empty because this town is small and gossip is huge,

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<v Speaker 1>and we had heard about a murder that had taken

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<v Speaker 1>place in the home some eight months earlier. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a sad story of an adopted son killing his mother,

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<v Speaker 1>and as usual, illegal drugs were involved. Before we could

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<v Speaker 1>move in, we needed to do a major cleanup. On

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<v Speaker 1>other things. We had to bring in a machine that

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<v Speaker 1>removes all the odors out of the oxygen, but the

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<v Speaker 1>process was so toxic and no one could enter the

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<v Speaker 1>home immediately after the application. Well, I was a lover

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<v Speaker 1>of history and antiques, and I didn't want to replace anything,

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<v Speaker 1>so the floors were only sanded and re stained and

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<v Speaker 1>fresh painted, and we loved it for a little while.

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<v Speaker 1>My mother in law and my handicapped nephew lived with us,

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<v Speaker 1>and they used both of the downstairs bedrooms. My mother

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<v Speaker 1>in law would accuse me of being in her room,

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<v Speaker 1>while my nephew would ask about the name of the

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<v Speaker 1>cat the cat coming to his door at night. Though

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<v Speaker 1>in violating my mother in law's privacy by sneaking into

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<v Speaker 1>her bedroom, we considered the source. After a while, the

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<v Speaker 1>arrangement started to grate on our nerves. My marriage became

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<v Speaker 1>terribly strained. The household seemed to exist under a cloud

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<v Speaker 1>of paranoia. I thought my mother in law and husband

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<v Speaker 1>were conspiring against me behind my back, and after a

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<v Speaker 1>few months of this, I was ready to take my

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<v Speaker 1>husband and I were doing the same to her and

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<v Speaker 1>if that wasn't bad enough, my husband developed the drinking

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<v Speaker 1>problem that began to escalate. One evening, while he was

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<v Speaker 1>loud crash in my daughter's room. We instantly thought that

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<v Speaker 1>she was in the middle of a huge grandma seizure.

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<v Speaker 1>I took one giant leap and two steps to throw

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<v Speaker 1>open Laura's door, with my husband trailing behind me, and

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<v Speaker 1>with a look of sheer terror on her face. And

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<v Speaker 1>lamp swinging over the edge with a cord still plugged

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<v Speaker 1>in behind the dresser. There was a stream of body

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<v Speaker 1>powder leading from the dresser to the closet, and furniture

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<v Speaker 1>had been cast about the room. We had a family

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<v Speaker 1>meeting the next night, where all the rage and emotional

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<v Speaker 1>venom that had been building for months finally exploded. We

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<v Speaker 1>were realizing that before we had taken up residence in

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<v Speaker 1>this house, we had all gotten along fine. Was there

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<v Speaker 1>a curse on this place? Once all the adults in

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<v Speaker 1>the room had aired their grievances, my husband excused himself

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<v Speaker 1>to check on our nephew, and a minute later I

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<v Speaker 1>heard him cry out, and by the time we reached

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<v Speaker 1>that was threatening to fall on top of my nephew

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<v Speaker 1>in his wheelchair. I quickly wheeled my nephew from the room,

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<v Speaker 1>and once clear, my husband let the massive bookcase go

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<v Speaker 1>crashing to the floor. Well, this was the last straw

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<v Speaker 1>the house was trying to kill us, if not literally

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<v Speaker 1>by breaking bones, psychologically by turning all of us against

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<v Speaker 1>each other. We got my mother in law and nephew

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<v Speaker 1>out within a week, but finances kept my husband and

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<v Speaker 1>I tethered to the place for another two months. Light

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<v Speaker 1>switch is going off and on in apparitions of toddlers

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<v Speaker 1>appearing in the hallways and around the doorframes. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>long list of crazy things. Every image seemed guaranteed to

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<v Speaker 1>play out our worst spheares. We slept a lot at

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<v Speaker 1>you tell a prospective home buyer that a place is haunted,

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<v Speaker 1>they usually back away. Tell them there was a murder

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<v Speaker 1>in the house, and they will delete your number from

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<v Speaker 1>their cell phone. We were lucky enough to sell the

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<v Speaker 1>had no fear of older crime scenes. From time to

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<v Speaker 1>time I check on the real estate listings, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>the market every few months. Thankfully, the house and all

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<v Speaker 1>its secrets are no longer our concern.
